We're Not Going Streaking!

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Report as he covers the Lakers will be joining us,
and that's where I want to start, as tonight, the
Lakers take on the Sacramento Kings without Lebron James, and
Lebron James his day today with the growing injury that
he suffered in the win against the Golden State Warriors
on Christmas Day, and with the Lakers playing without Lebron James,

(01:58):
there's really not a lot that you're going to learn
from the Lakers, because realistically, if a guy goes off
and plays well tonight, well then maybe you expect that
person to go and do the same with Lebron James.
We always scrutinize the Los Angeles Lakers, but apparently not
as much as we scrutinized the Golden State Warriors, because
that is what Steve Kerr is saying that these Golden

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State Warriors, the back to back defending champions and winners
of three out of the last four NBA championships, are
the most scrutinized team in the NBA, possibly an NBA history,
only to be rivaled by Curr's Chicago Bulls of the
nineteen nineties. Now that's a pretty big statement to say,

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but when you look at the Golden State Warriors, you
have to say that some of that scrutiny is brought
on by themselves with the amount of superstars, and the
NBA has always been a superstar driven league, and when
you have more superstars than anyone else, you are probably
going to be looked at more than anyone else. When
you have Steph Curry, when you have Draymond Green, when

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you have Clay Thompson, and then when you add one
of the bigger stars, one of the biggest stars in
all of basketball, maybe the second best player of the game,
and some think the best player in the game. Of
course you're going to get scrutinized. So for Steve Kurt
to say that they are the most scrutinized team in
the NBA, it kind of seems like a no brainer.

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And Bucky, it's kind of crazy to me that it is.
It is taken on as a negative, if you will.
For for for Steve Kurt to talk about the Warriors
being scrutinized, because this is what happens when you win titles.
This is what happens when you have star players. And
now for Steve Kurt to come out and say that
this is a negative, that's the territory that you're in

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a lot of pressure. What he's talking about is the
pressure of being the top dog there. Everybody's hunted animal.
They have always been viewed as the standard in the league,
and so what happens is no matter where they go,
who they play, they're always going to get everybody's best
game because people are measuring themselves against the success and

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the standard of the Warriors, and that is exhausting. It's
exhausting to have to always be at your best to
fend off those challenges. The only way that I can
kind of equate it is I was with the Green
Bay Packers in ninety six and ninety seven and ninety
seven after winning the Super Bowl and ninety six, Man,
everybody played differently against the Packers, and you have to

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have a level of focus and concentration to be able
to endure. But for the Warriors, this has been like
a four or five year run where they've been viewed
as the best team in the league. When you think
about all the shots today have taken from opponents, Man,
it is tough to endure and stay focused and stay
with the edge that you need to be a champion

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over long. And that's and and now with with what
we saw on Christmas Day, it leads me to this
question as as Steve Curry's feeling the pressure and Lebron James,
and I think Lebron James being the most scrutinized athlete
in sports. That's true that like like he is anything
that he does. In fact, I'm gonna get on the
AP for voting him the sports Person of the Male

(05:09):
Sports Athlete of the Year. A little bit later on
in the show. I know it's crazy, it's not just
to be anti Lebron, but there's some reasoning behind it.
The point is this, and this is what I'm curious
and and I'm interested to hear what people think about
this as well. You can find Bucky on Twitter at
Bucky Brooks. I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. One streak
is going to end. It's going to be Lebron's NBA

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Final streak as he has been in the finals every
single year since, or it's gonna be the Warriors in
the NBA Finals. That streak is going to end. And
you know what, they may both come to an end
if in Oklahoma City is able to break through. But
I'm just curious what streak do people want to see
end the most, or what streak do you want to

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see going, Because when you look at both of those
teams or both of those entity is the way to
put it. They would meet his teams in the finals.
Lebron and his Calves would face the Warriors, and we've
got four straight years of it, and Lebron Street could
keep going, the Warriors Street could keep going. And now
as you look at Lebron with the Lakers. You're thinking

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that the future is brighter and with the Kevin Durant
possible departure of the Golden State Warriors. As crazy as
this is for me to believe, Bucky, I would almost
rather see the Warriors in the finals one more time
and have their run in than to see another three
or four straight years of Lebron James. Wow, I'm just

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saying no, No, actually, and I realized this, I really
I pulled for Lebron a lot with the it's the
I think it's the Lakers angle of it that that
of now now the Lakers fans, because there's so much
that more that comes with it. When Golden State had

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their run, I didn't realize that there would be Warriors fans,
Like are Warriors fans? Yeah, none of them. None of
them know about you know, Baron Davis or or previous regimes.
They don't even remember the old uniforms. No, not at
the orangin the orangine blue with with the Warrior to
flash that lightning. But I think it's like, I think

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it's like it would be ten times worse. And maybe
it's because we're based in Los Angeles, but to me,
it's not that I think that the Warriors run is
coming to an end. I just don't think that it
can sustain as long as it is. Where if Lebron
now brings in and Anthony Davis, if the Lakers end
up doing that in the future, that is a streak
that could continue on the Lebron is gonna have what
five six more years of playing in the NBA, and

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and that maybe it. But I think when you look
at it, if you want to see one of the streaks,
and you should probably hope for the the Warrior streak
is the one that's most likely to come to an end,
just because you don't know about Kevin Durant's future. Plus
with all those games, at some point, Lebron's Lakers may
seem to be get better and I'm not sure if
that's gonna be the case with the Warriors. Yeah, I
think this is it for the Warriors, one way or another.

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I think this is the end of the road, whether
they get it to the finals and win a championship
before Katie rise off into the sunset, or they getting
knocked out before. I think the thing that we are
seeing with the Warriors, um, we're seeing that winning has
allowed people to kind of rob them of what really
made them a strong team, strengthen numbers. When they had

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the deep bench, they could go nine ten deep, kind
of wear you out with waves of players playing that
dribble drive, three um, three points centric offense. They don't
have that as much right now. They're really heavy on
their starters, and their starters have to play at a
high level for them to win, and they have The
blueprint is also coming out where people are saying, we're

(08:48):
going to make sure we double Kevin Durant, we take
care of Steph Curry, and we're going to allow andre Iguadala,
Draymond Green and maybe even Clay Thompson to get the
shots that they want. Unless see if those guys can
win the game as opposed to their two top scores.
If you're sick of both, which I'm sure many basketball
fans are, I think you want to see the Warriors

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put an end to Lebron's run because Lebron's gonna add
those pieces and if Golden State, Golden State likely would
get their own heartbreak with the departure of Kevin Durant,
and yeah, with with Clay Thompson and everything you said.
If there is if there is anybody that is that
is leaning towards Lebron, maybe you're saying he'll play out
his four year contract and that could be the end.

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But realistically, if you're if you're sick of both. And
I don't mean to be so negative in this holiday season,
but as someone who is not a fan of either team,
you'll want something different. And it's almost which one can
you live with more? And I'm like, you know what,
I could probably live with another season of the Golden
State Warriors. Knowing that, I just think that Lebron's got
a lot more in his back pocket with the future,

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and the Lakers are on the up and and they're
they're on the upswing even more than so that I
think many we thought they would this season because all
we had heard of, Okay, Lebron's you can move, but
Lebron's in the West. Now Lebron's in the West, and
right now, it doesn't seem to have much of an effect. No,
it hasn't had much of an effect. I think the
big thing with Lebron in the West and the way

(10:15):
the Lakers have kind of come together, it's not only Lebron,
like obviously Lebron is the main uh figure, the centerpiece,
but it's it's the other veterans that have come along
with him. Rajon Rondo providing some leadership lance, Stevenson's surprise,
supplying some toughness, um, some big shot of building, Tyson
channeally coming over. You now can already see how the

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Lakers are kind of trying to build this team to
knock off the Warriors and to really knock off the
rest of the league. Rather than kind of running gun
with everybody. They are playing with pace, but they have
enough toughness where when the game slows down into post
season they can kind of play their grinded out East
Coast style. I think they're trying to really put together
a hug and mug team that can frust the Warriors

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and some of those other teams. They want to play
free and in space, and it looks like it's kind
of coming together pretty well. What do you want to
see end? First? The Warriors run the Lakers or Lebron's run.
We'll put it that way. He's Bucky Brooks, I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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want to find Bucky on Twitter, find him at Bucky Brooks.
You can find me at Dan Buyer on Fox. So
how have the Lakers put this together so quickly? We'll
ask an expert next year on Fox Sports Radio Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug today, who is on
the Herd in for Colin Cowherd earlier on Fox Sports

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Radio and Fox Sports One. Tonight, the Lakers take on
these Sacramento Kings of the game without Lebron James. How
are these new look Lakers going to fair? We'll ask
that and a whole lot more with our good buddy
from the Bleacher Report covering the Lakers and so many
other places, Eric Pinker, joins this year on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Eric,
good to talk to you again. How you doing. I'm

(12:03):
doing great, Happy Holidays. It's a It's great to talk
to you. And let's just start out with the with
the Lakers in playing tonight without Lebron James. What do
you want to see from this Lakers team without Lebron James,
because I don't want to say that he's that he's
covered up warts or that he's been the sole reason
that this team is now in the fourth spot in
the Western Conference. But it's kind of interesting to me

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to see who really has stepped up their game. What
are you looking for tonight? Is the Lakers play without
Lebron against Sacramento. Uh, primarily just get out of Sacramento
alive when you survived. The Kings are shockingly good this year.
I think they're shocked as an organization that there is good.
I mean they want to say the Kings like, oh, yeah,

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we knew, No, they didn't know. They're they're much better
than they thought. But uh, it's not just Lebron. Rondo's
got a finger injury. Javel is getting over pneumonia. Doesn't
look like he's playing. I don't know if that's official,
but are really shorthanded. So what we're looking at is
uh summer league cast of not last season, but one before,

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which one the whole summer league, right, like Alonzo and Kuzma,
So you know, from a summer league perspective, this is
among the this elite. But uh, you know, NBA, it
is a little trickier. So, uh, you know, Kuzma's amazing
with Lebron because he's such a fast attacker, fast decision maker.
Josh Hart, same thing. I think that Ingram is going

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to have to step into the role that he's more
comfortable with, which is as that playmaker, as that creator,
both for himself and for others. He really needs to
step into that Lebron role where where the ball goes
to him, he creates out of usually a high post
or somewhere around there. Uh. And he would like to
see Alonzo matchup well against uh darn Fox, who if

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you you know, U see a bruin. That's my alma mater. Uh.
He got torched by Dan Fox back in the in
the old days and when he was with Kentucky right
and and so they've kind of had like a mini rivalry.
So I expect Fox, who has been really really good
this year, to have a big game. So curious can't

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wait to see it. But it may not be pretty Honestly,
I don't I don't know who's gonna win. I would
count out the Kings, you know. So you talked about
the young guys, and we all have seen like Kuzma
and Hart and even Alonzo have uh kind of promising years.
Brandon Ingram has been a bit of an enigma in
terms of trying to find his way with Lebron Um.

(14:36):
How long do you think it would continue to take
brandon Ingram to kind of settle into his role, whatever
that role is with the Lers. Well. I liked how
he's looked since he came back from his injury. I
think he understands that he just can't hold the ball
like he wants to hold the ball to create something.
When he's playing with lebron. If Lebron kicks him the

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ball in the offense and he's open, he's got to
take that shot, even if he isn't as comfortable taking
that particular shot. That's the play that they need to make.
That's the unselfish play. And I think to a degree,
I don't think he saw that in the midst of it,
because it takes some time. He needed that perspective. Uh
So from he's someone who holds the ball longer, he's

(15:17):
someone who wants to back someone down, or I mean,
he's really talented. He's he's only twenty one, and there's
this world of potential and to a degree, it's gonna
be stifled a little bit. Um you know, Kuzma is
not stifled because the way that Lebron plays fits into
the way that Kuzma plays, because Kuzma doesn't want the
ball in his hands for a long period time. You

(15:38):
don't see ISOs with Kuzma where he's creating and they
pull a screen over and you know, but that's what
you see with Ingram. So defensively, I think he has
again a world of potential. They love to put him
on small point guards and let him use his length,
and I think it's hit and miss. Sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't. But I like what Ingram's doing. I
like his progression. It's just I think harder for him

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than any of the other young Lakers. Eric Pinkins joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio covering the Lakers for
the Bleacher Report. You can also see him on NBA
TV and also working with Basketball in Centers. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm dampuire. What has shocked you about the West so
far this season? We were Bucky and I've talked about
it the last couple of days. You've got fourteen out
of the fifteen teams within about seven or eight games

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of each other. But what has stood out with you
of the Western Conference that just it is something you
didn't expect. H Well, I thought that the Jazz would
be the third seed, maybe the fourth, and I had
the Lakers kind of fighting in that same range along
with the Thunder, and then of course I had the
Rockets number one or two and the Warriors number one

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or two, just like last year. So when you actually
look at it, the Rockets they've been playing well of late,
but they were they started terribly. The Jazz are under
five hundred. Uh. I mean the Kings, as we talked about,
are much better than I thought there above five hundred,
but it's not shockingly different. I think the Clippers are
probably the one team that stands out the most. I mean, yeah,

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the Kings are better, but I didn't you know whatever
there there. I don't expect them to keep it up.
But the Clippers, man, I mean, what a what a
great story where it's not a team that has the stars.
There's no Russell Westbrook or Lebron or Steph but they've
got a lot of you know, really good D level
star level players. You know, not a stars, you know
Tobias Harris, Daniela Gallinari, Lou Williams from a six man perspective, elite,

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he's he's the best in the in the game at
that role, but he's not like the mainline stars. So
they've come together with this great chemistry. But the depth
that you see in the West where really to a degree,
it's it's fourteen teams, sons, everybody's involved, and you know,
I know that the Pelicans are a bit out by
four games from the eighth spot, but best nothing and

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so great competition. Uh, there's some teams. I think the
Jazz strength of schedule, they had what I understand the
toughest strength of schedule. He's talking to someone with the Jazz.
That's what they tell me. I don't know if it's true.
Sometimes teams are biased, but I think that's pretty accurate
or close to accurate. So I expect the Jazz to
keep climbing. Grizzlies are good too, So it's it's it's

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it's a really compact West. I think there'll be some separation.
I think the Rockets will continue to climb, and the
Warriors and the Lakers and man, those Nuggets pretty don't
go to and with injuries. And that's kind of the
reason why I asked, because when Lebron went over to
the Lakers and came to the Western Conference, you thought,
all right, Golden State's gonna be one, Oklahoma City is
gonna be there with with Paul George, and then Houston's

(18:31):
gonna be there. So you kind of maybe had the
Lakers in that three four spot and that's where they
are now. But that's not how the standings look. You know,
all around them, You've got, as you mentioned, Denver there
at Houston's in the bottom of the playoff picks are
and so it's I guess maybe the whole thing is crazy,
But I just ask you that because the Lakers. The
Lakers are probably about where we thought. It's just everything

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around them maybe chaos. I mean, it's where I thought.
And if that's where you thought, then props to you. You.
You guys saw what was coming. But a lot of
experts and pundits and other a lot of my colleagues
with different outlets wondered and wrote, you know, will the
Lakers even make the playoffs? I spoke to someone with
Denver in their front office who was very confident about

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his team and said he didn't even think the Laker
Lakers were a playoff team, and I thought he was crazy.
But you know, that's also you know, there's there's some biases.
You know, people work front offices are people, and to
a degree they're even bigger fans of their own organization,
as they should be. But you should always be objective.
And I just saw that it's easy to forget how
good Lebron James is. And then to that point, like

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I watched the Lakers the last handful of years up close.
That's my job, and and there's a lot of talent there.
I mean, this team last year they won thirty five games,
and they were, you know, with with some luck and
some health, they weren't that far off from being a
five team. And you basically replaced Julius Randall with Lebron James.
And I really think highly of Julius, but Lebron is
obviously better. And then they got good players, like role

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players like JaVale McGee, and so the Lakers are are
not shocking to me. I have them at fifty three wins.
I think some people have them in the forties. Most people,
I think most experts have them in the mid to
low forties, and uh, you know, you just can't forget
that Lebron's kind of the best player in the world.
You know, Labron will get a lot of credit for
the success of the Lakers. But the guy who appeared

(20:19):
to be on the hot seat a few weeks ago
was Luke Walton. What have you seen recently from Luke
and maybe his changing changing his coaching style, or doing
anything differently to help this team get back on track
since that conversation that he had with Magic guys, I
don't know if he's done anything specifically differently. In philosophy,

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they have changed a little bit to a degree, but
in a way that they probably would have changed anyway.
Luke's big thing when they get to training camp is
to coach defense and get the team playing defense, and
they don't really get into their offense until early into
the season where they really start to develop it. So really, uh,

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I think what Magic was upset. I think because the
team was underperforming. I think Magic's argument was something along
the lines of if you spend all this time on
defense and not offense, well, then why is the defense
so bad? But it takes time and you look at
what happened with Luke every year that he's coached hasn't
coached long, but his teams are they start slowly and

(21:22):
every year they've gotten better, and throughout the years they
get you know, during the seasons, they get better. And
the Lakers defense started poorly. And oh, by the way,
they picked up Tyson Chandler, which suddenly gave him forty
eight minutes of a center if they need it, as
opposed to you know, the short stints that Javail can handle.
That it changed the you know, Magic helped the case
by uh, you know, getting him a better lineup and uh,

(21:45):
they've had some suspensions and some injuries, and that Luke
has held this team together pretty nicely. So I think
big picture there there there are reports that Magic wants
a more fiery, old school coach, maybe that Lebron is
used to something different as well. I think highly of Luke.
I've known him since he was a player, and I
think he's really a great communicator. He's not your in

(22:08):
your face, screaming kind of coach. He's he's your friend
kind of coach. And that may not be familiar. He's
someone like Lebron or uh specifically Magic, but I don't
think that's a negative. I think that Luke is a
a modern ary coach, and I think he's very valuable.
But well, so, you know, the fans, they blame him
the moment that the Lakers lose, even if they're missing
three or four players, including you know, Lebron James. It's like, well,

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Luke did a terrible job. You know, his rotation stank
when you only had one center, right, because they only
had one center. He's Eric thinks, joining us here on
of the Bleacher Report covering the Lakers here on Fox
Sports Radio. One more for me, Eric, A report just
from ESPN studying sources is saying Lebron is likely gonna
miss a little bit more time than day to day

(22:54):
would suggest. Have you heard anything, um, do you do
you know of any timetable maybe for his return to
the lineup. I mean, I've heard that the the actual
significance of the injury is very light in that Um,
there's nothing on the m R I that came up
that was serious. There in a place where they don't
have to rush. Um, this is a gentleman who's pushing

(23:16):
thirty five, not quite about to try. I think thirty
four is it um. But there's just not like having
him for the whole season. This is not like the
last week or two of the season where they have
to fight for a playoff spot and win every game.
It's just not that. And if they get home court advantage,
and if they lose home court advantage because they sit
him for an extra day or a week, then so
be it. But the reality is is it's not a

(23:37):
terrible injury. They'd be wise to make sure that they
don't rush Lebron because you don't have Lebron healthy. The
whole everything is is for not This is a good team,
but not a great team. They're probably a maybe A
five team around there without Lebron and there they're potentially
a championship team with him. I don't know if they're
able to win this year, but they have at least

(23:59):
that poten too. They won games without him. We'll see
how many last year. We'll see how many they get
this year. Eric Pinks again to the Bleacher Report covering
the Lakers. See him on NBA TV as well. Find
him on Twitter at Eric Pinks. And that's two seas,
the sea at the end of Eric and the sea
in Pinkas we appreciate it. Eric, Happy New Year, and
we'll talk to you again soon. Alright, guys, happy to hear.

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Thanks for having me. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Dog gott Leap Show on Fox Sports Radio,
and coming up next, the Green Bay Packers have cast
their nets and it spans wide. We'll talk about it
as they look for a new head coach. After Isaac
Lowen Groden gives us the latest of what's happening on
a bowl Thursday. Indeed, good afternoon, Dan and Bucky. We

(24:42):
start with a ball going on right now. That would
be the Independence Bull where Temple has a twenty seven
to twenty one lead over Duke, fourteen and a half
minutes left to play in the third quarters of the
second half just under way. Meanwhile, this Saturday, Clemson takes
on Notre Name in the first semi final the College
Football Playoff. In today, Tigers starting defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence

(25:03):
spoke for the first time since being declared ineligible for
the College Football Playoff due to a positive test for
a band substance. I'm not the type of guy to
do a selfish act like that. I have too much pride.
You know, I love this team in my family too
much to even think about pulling to the substance like
that on my body. I don't know where it came from.
I don't know how it got there. I was raised different.

(25:25):
If I did do it, I owned up to it,
but ocously, honestly don't know where it comes from or
how I got it. Is just there, and I mean,
there's nothing I can really do about it. Something that
we're monitoring as we speak. Clemson is holding out hope
for what is effectively a Hail Mary. They're expecting the
results on Lawrence's B sample at some point today. Baseball

(25:46):
free agent outfielder Nelson Cruz is joining the Minnesota Twins,
cruises at more home runs over the last five seasons
than anyone in the majors. And finally, basketball Hall of
Fame coach Larry Brown is out as the head coach
of itally in Club Fiat Torino. It was the seventy
eight year old Brown's thirteen head coaching job, and here
is a word for word passage from the press release

(26:09):
that the team issued. Quote Fiat Torino would like to
thank coach Larry Brown for his hard work as well
as for the great human contribution he has been able
to transfer to all members of the company. Coach Larry Brown,
sorry for the results that did not arrive as he
would have liked and hoped for. Thanks Fiat Torino for

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the trust and esteem shown without interruption in all these months. Unquote,
I'll tell you what American press releases boring by comparison.
Back to you guys, thank you very much. It's usually
what his u uh the the blank has relieved Blank
of his duties. We wish you well in the future.
And that's what you got. By the way. That Italian
team they've been banned for the postseason in the n

(26:51):
C Double A Tournament. Just that's Larry Brown joke. That's
a cheap shot by me. The Green Bay Packers have
an interimed coaching Joe Philbin and Bucky. Yesterday we talked
about how Davante Adams and Aaron Rodgers would like to
see Joe Philbin get the job full time. Well, if
that's going to be the case, Philbin is gonna have
to beat out many candidates, and we mean many, as

(27:14):
the Green Bay Packers are already interviewing possible future head
coaches as reports surface yesterday the Dean interviewed Chuck Pagano,
the former Cold Said coach, and also interviewed Jim Caldwell,
the former head coach of the Colts and the Detroit Lions.
Those two guys can be interviewed because they're not with
any other team right now in the National Football League.
Do those interviews surprise you at all that Green Bay

(27:36):
met with Pagano and Jim Calledwell about their coaching vacancy. No,
not at all, Um. I think both of those guys,
Like for all the jokes that we have about both
guys and what they've done in the league, they've had
a level of success in the league that makes him
worthy of at least having a discussion being talked to
being interviewed Jim Callwell as a division rival he was

(27:56):
with the Detroit Lions. UM, Now, when you look back,
you probably have a little more respect for the job
that you did based on what Matt Patricia is doing
currently with the lines check. Pigano has always been a
respected as a defensive mind, was one of the top
defense coordinated in the game prior to get the job
in Indianapolis. You look at the Packers woes, it has

(28:17):
always been their defense. Uh, particularly of late in the
Aaron Rodgers era, when you're beginning to kind of narrow
the focus on who you want to be your head coach,
it is important to to get a coach that would
do more than just coach to quarterbacks in the offense.
You want to make sure that you have someone that
can coach, uh, the entire team. And I think with
those guys being experienced coaches, you at least want to

(28:40):
pick their brain and just kind of see where they
are and if they fit with what your vision of
the team is. Is there is there such a thing
as interviewing too many people? For the reason I asked
that is because you would think that the organization would
have a direction that they wanted to go and would
have enough information from their connections to the side what

(29:00):
candidates they need to interview for that direction. Or is
that Is that not a thing of interviewing too many people? No?
I mean, I think there are a couple of different things.
Like on the outside, we throw our names and we
talk about people who we expect to be hot head
coaching candidates, but internally, um, the bus kind of hits
guys ask around kind of sniff around to see how

(29:23):
guys are, what their responsibilities truly are um as opposed
to what the perception is, and then you know you
can never go wrong bringing in some older experienced guys first,
because what you do is you're taking information from every
person that you're interviewing, regardless of whether you're seriously considering
them or not. You're just gathering information. How do they

(29:44):
view to the organization, how do they view a quarterback,
how do they view my best players? What are the
things that they see that we need to work on?
And you kind of keep all that information so when
you do make a decision, it's almost like having another
set of eyes. You basically have been able to have
an audit of yourself with other people pasting performing. I

(30:05):
also think that the notion that we have now in
the nflstah. You mentioned the joke part of it, but
it's also a thinking of you're not gonna get the
young offensive coordinator that's going to revolutionize our offense, then
we don't want them because and that's the Sean McVeigh effect,
which we've talked about. And when you bring in Jim
Caldwell and when you bring in Chuck Pogano, two older

(30:29):
guys who have coached in previous stops. It's just it
may rub a fan wrong. For all of the noise
that you hear about, they almost rather have the the
up and coming hot name in the national football Yeah,
it is a hot name, but I would caution against
that because I'm looking at Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll just
signed an extension. Pete Carroll is maybe the oldest coach

(30:50):
in no one talked about that. What about the offensive
revolution or evolution of the Kansas City Chiefs under Andy Reid.
He's an older coach, um. So it's not necessarily how
old you are, it's really how engaged are you in
the game. How plugged into the lower levels are you.
Do you have the ability to continue to be creative

(31:12):
because you're always listening, You're always searching, You're willing to
expand your mind. I would be more concerned with that
part of it than someone being a twenty year old
or thirty something. As a head coach. Jim called Well
had two coaching stops, Chuck Pagano the one both with
the with the Colts, and I mentioned called Well with
the lines. There's not a ton of guys in coaching
and even in NFL history, Bucky, There there are some,

(31:35):
but I've had three head coaching jobs. There's the there's
the class of four. What is I believe Marty Schottenheimer
and Bill Parcels and and maybe another hero there. But
it's usually around two. Like like three is a tough
one to branch out and get. And that's where Jim
called well would be if if you were to land
another coaching job. Look, he's been wildly successful, and I

(31:56):
know he had the two or fourteen years in Indianapolis,
but more team will fall apart. After Peyton Manning uh
was sideline for the year, and then in Detroit. I
think he he always was pretty solid head him competing,
made post season twice, kind of got robbed out of
a call versus the Dallas Cowboys and one of those
which would have been a playoff win. Um and so

(32:17):
they've always been close, always in the mix. Just a
matter of him getting another opportunity with the organization to
kind of believe in the vision and planned that he
says forth, I'll never forget that year that the Lions
missed the call, because that is the year that I
looked at the NFC Playoffs. In the NFL playoffs like this,
the Lions got robbed of a call against the Cowboys.

(32:37):
Cowboys got robbed of a call against the Packers. In
the next round, Packers blow a late lead and don't
get an onside kick against the Seahawks, and then the
Seahawks throw the interception at the goal line. So there's
there's these chain of events. I really of about four
plays that could have put the entire NFC playoff picture
in a completely different picture, and they were all just

(32:58):
in succession of each other. Never forget that. But the
desk catch always seems to be the worst one. Yeah,
was it a catch Bucky? Now? And now it is
now trying to stick it out. He didn't secure it. Today,
It's a catch in the in today's NFL, they for sure.

(33:19):
That's the whole, the whole point of the rule. He
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Do you want to see come to an end? Or
Lebron's final streak come to an end? Brian tweets in
would rather see King James in his NBA Finals run

(34:25):
and as Golden State's primed to be knocked off this season,
so he's kind of looking at it from my point
of view, is I don't think that the Warriors are
going to go on another four straight finals run, but
Lebron and the Lakers could depending on who joins him
in l A. So, but we all said Tom Tweed
and saying he wants the Warriors run the end because
he's think of him and nothing wrong with that, no,

(34:47):
I mean we we kind of grew tired of that.
But then it also makes us to an end because
either you love him or you hate him. Yes, there's
no in between. And that's a that's so much of it.
If of of Celtics and Lakers in the in the
eighties as well, of you hated both teams, so at
least you knew one of them was gonna lose, So
there was a good reason to watch that a lot.

(35:10):
Speaking of of those great games of the nineteen eighties,
let's play a game here on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
This is game time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Joining us now, it's our good friend, Isaac Lowan cried, Hello, Hello,
Dan and Bucky. Let's guess which game we're playing today?

(35:30):
All right, it is all right, guess who this is?
Where Isaac gives us scenarios that we get to. I
guess guess who is involved in those scenarios? Good guests,
you're one for one. Guess who is the standout receiver
who previously enjoyed early touchdowns celebrations that now wants out

(35:51):
from his current team. Oh gosh, wide receiver, gotta be
a bad team. Do you have any guesses you? I?
I have a get go ahead, go ahead team effort
here team there for let's go down to Tampa Bay.
Maybe Deshan Jackson all right there, it is all right.

(36:12):
De Sean Jackson wants well, he was mad that I
should say mad. He wanted Ryan Fitzpatrick to be a
starting quarterback and not Jamis Winston. Yeah, because he couldn't
connect with him. He wants to test the ball. It
could be worse. Places. Is Deshan Jackson's best days way behind?
Like when you talk to you guys, they still say
he still can run, he still can make plays. Is

(36:34):
just for whatever reason, he and Jamis Winston just do
not connect. I think he's I think you know why,
because I think Deshan Jackson is w and tolerance. He
can't eat w's while Jamis Winston He's has too much
gluten in it. I suppose guess who is the ailing

(36:59):
player who returned to the practice field today ahead of
Sunday's grand a head of Sunday's grand ole. Now, this
is a little clue Isaac's putting in there. I'm guessing
it's one Marcus Mariotta. Yeah, that is. That is big
news for the Tennis Ee Titans, because there's no way

(37:20):
they win that game with Blaine Gabbert's their quarterback. There's
there's no way. You gotta listen, you know, Isaac and
I on Sunday mornings, I'll try to. We play a
game and I try to slide clues in and we
go back and forth, and Isaac listened. So then when
Isaac's delivering the stuff, I try to listen for the clues,
and I caught the grand ole for the opery. But
great news, great news for the Titans for Sunday night.

(37:41):
Great great news. They have to have their quarterback because
Blaine Gabbert doesn't scare any but no except Titans fans.
Speaking of quarterbacks, guess who is the former first round
quarterback who is so unherald ed he might be on
his way out of town. Oh boy, Okay, I don't

(38:03):
know if he was saying Harold like newspaper or Harold
is the name. Let's see on the right track, on
the right track some of the Do you have an idea, Bucky,
I am drawing a blank, which which in case it
was newspapers, you would have to think which city had
the Harold as a newspaper? Hypothetically speaking, Okay, can you
read how about this? Can you repeat the question? Guess

(38:25):
who is the former first round quarterback who is so
on ed he might be on his way out of town?
Oh gosh, I'm thinking I was thinking Boston Harold, but
I'm thinking I'm thinking Miami Harold, and I'm thinking the
quarterback down in in Miami, Ryan Tanny. Are we getting hot?

(38:46):
Are we getting war? Is that your final answer? Answer? Yeah?
There is all right. See it's a team effort here.
It was either gonna be the Miami Harold or they
want him to get the hill out of town. Yeah,
it's pretty good. That that's that's really good. This is
gonna seem like a tough one that it's actually pretty easy.
Here we go, by the way quickly. Um, the first

(39:07):
thing the Dolphins should do is ditch that stupid logo
of theirs. Go back to the old one. It's that's
how Miami Miracle takes place because it's in those old uniforms.
This new age dolphin just needs to go. I'm sorry
back to you. I think new age dolphin needs to
be an endangered species. I agree the old eighties one
that jumped through the hoop was the best dolphin logo ever.

(39:27):
And well, that's the thing. It's not even a hoop.
It's the sun. I always thought it was a hoop
when I was a kid, I would draw the dolphin
going through the hoop. It's actually the sun in the background.
Oh my gosh. I just realized that right now, that
all those years in Dolvena, che La Sala, the thumb,
that basket alone, dal Suel Club, the Lingua Italiana. Uh,

(39:52):
Larry Brown, Hey, that that's uh, that's all I've got
with Larry Brown. All right. Well that was a perfect game.
That's a perfect game for us, Bucky. That was pretty good.
And this is game time on the Duck Godlip Show.

(40:17):
The Dolphins are on the worst spot possible. They're just there.
They're not they're not a player away there, They're just there.
I mean, but to that point, what they have to
make a decision on Ryan Tantigo and he's been there
seven years, like eighty unbelievable. He's no longer young. It's

(40:38):
like Russell Wilson's not thirty. I mean, like when you
think of of the time that he's been there, you're
still thinking of young quarterbacks. Watching Russell Wilson run now,
and then when you watch him run six years ago,
different animal. It's it's it's not the same, not at all,
not at all. No, there's there's there's a there's a
mini fridge on Russell's back. There's not a big one yet,

(41:00):
but a mini. He's Bucking Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This
is the Doug gott Leap Show. For those of you
who want an eight team playoff in college football, We've
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this Thursday. Completely random question here, I'm just completely random.

(41:24):
I want to talk about college football, the possibility of
expanding the playoff. Buck I'm putting you on the spot.
Have you ever had ants in your house, like like
where there's there's ants, and maybe in an apartment any
any time in your life where you have an ants?
I mean yes, I think most people have one way
or another, whether it be growing up, maybe some ants

(41:46):
in the kitchen, like I think a lot of ants
would be like fifty, and we've had I don't know,
six to eight ants, Like we're really small in in
one of our actually in our bathroom, and my wife
is freaking out like it is you know, call the
pest control, and I just don't think. I think like

(42:07):
if if there were, if there, I would meet in
the middle. At five ants, I would be concerned. But
just like six or eight random ants, easy to take
care of and if you don't see him anymore, problem solved.
But we had about six or eight in the bathroom.
I've I've got basically one ant bait trap for every

(42:31):
two ants, because that that's how I had to respond.
The wife is all about making sure that the answer
and making sure it doesn't get out of hand. But
I don't think it's out of hand until they can
feel a an NFL team on a Sunday, if you
have forty six guys. You know, maybe eight ants are inactive,
then I'll go and do something with it. However, I'm
just not I I did what she said, but we

(42:53):
have we have four ant traps and there are about
eight ants that have been spotted in our bathroom. I
just had to clarify that up the and the number
of eight is a reason that we're talking here because
there are currently four college football teams allowed in the
playoff and many, many people want this field expanded to eight.
When you look at college football, is this current system

(43:17):
good enough for the sport that we all love? Or
is more needed to expand this playoff to eight? I
think they need to add more if we want a
true champion. UM the easiest way that I could see
it with eight teams, let's take the champion from each
of the Power five conferences. Those five get automatic bids
into the tournament, okay, and then three at large berth.

(43:41):
So you don't think that a group of five school
like a Central Florida or any of the schools. But
but that wouldn't be an automatic path like you would
you would rather take, you would rather take I don't know.
Let's just say a Michigan team. That law over what
you would have for u CF. Okay, and that's this

(44:04):
is where they can get it at large bid though
they could get they could get an at large bid.
We'll get We'll give them one of those at large.
But if you had a playoff this year with that scenario,
Notre Dame gets an at large bid because they're an independent.
You'd have Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Washington, and Ohio State and

(44:25):
you're at large large bids, you'd have Notre Dame in
do you put Georgia in? Did you put Georgia? And
now you're debating UCF over Michigan and this is part
of the Okay, they can go and like a team
like Michigan has left out because Michigan has lost twice
and and this is this is part of this is

(44:47):
this is what gets me. I I am good with
the four. I am I am good with the four
because I think that now we're starting to debate teams
that maybe we're not sure if they should get in.
And I would rather have the scenari area of the
five and the six teams are the one like like
like surely with when the selections were made, three weeks ago.

(45:09):
All of the arguments that I heard four Oklahoma and
against Ohio State really weren't to me that convincing. And
I know that there's some bias because I followed the
buck Eyes for a long time. But all we had
heard about Bucky was Ohio State loss by twenty nine,
and they did That's not that's but that was the

(45:31):
only thing. They didn't talk about the quality of wins.
They didn't talk about how Ohio State had to The
two best Ohio State wins were better than the two
wins by Oklahoma. Ohio State has wins at Penn State
and home against Michigan, a drubbing of Michigan. But that's
never that's never brought up. Georgia has a better win
than Oklahoma does, and Georgia was left out two losses.

(45:54):
Olahoma is a champion. So but then it goes back
to Ohio State also being a champion. Here's here's the
point is and it's not all about that. It's not
all about it's the dynamic offense as well. Look at
what look at Oklahoma this this record setting offense. Oklahoma's
first Ohio State was six and and nobody wants to
talk about the CIF defensive Oklahoma where the Ohio State. Okay,

(46:18):
so here's that's the thing. Ohio states about sixtieth. Oklahoma
was around eighty or a hundred in college football. So
so it's good enough to talk about Oklahoma being a
record center. Yet Ohio State is six, so they're only
five spots lower. But that doesn't and these discussions happen,
and and I'm all right with it, like it happens
that way. Ohio State should have had a better effort

(46:39):
against in absolutely absolutely, but then somebody else is out
and now we're debating on who is who who of
the of the lesser fortunate, And everybody feels that there's
a there's a there's easy solution, But in every single
year there isn't. There's always something different there. But my
molly thing with with college football, every level below the

(47:03):
D one level, they have playoffs. They have a true
playoff system where we can determine the champion on the field,
which is what everyone likes. The bowl game thing, and
the more that we have these bowl games where they're
lightly attended, um, you're now having top players not participate
in them. I think we would be better serve to

(47:24):
just go to the playoff system that they have at
the lower levels. Then everyone can participate, everybody gets to
to get into mix, and we can see a true champion.
I would rather see almost a tournament with even non
teams make up, you know, like we have we rip
on the n I T you're in college basketball, but
I mean, hey, you would have maybe put something better

(47:46):
up there. Why not try to put a four teen
team and like this is the this is the Atlanta
Bracket or something that you have the Peach Bowl and
and you got others. I I just look at the
four teams. Is that right now we're arguing greatness? And
if we go with the four teams, were arguing, okay,
who are truly the elites? Who's truly great? And when

(48:07):
we go to eight teams, we're now kind of starting
to reward good. We're not rewarding great And I think
that eventually we are because in the scenario like Selally
I'm talking about, if you just reward that you get
five champions league champions they have, you win your league,
you get the automatic qualifier, and then you have three

(48:27):
at large. I mean that's enough. That's just sorted out.
You know, if you were, if you were a team,
let's just say from the we'll just use the PAC twelve. Well,
that's probably not a good example, but we will because
the PAC twelve hardly plays anyone in non conference. The
if you're in the PAC twelve and you go owing
three a nonconference and then when your league and you're
sitting there at the end with three losses, champion chance,

(48:50):
you get good chance, you get a chance to getting down.
They would get a lower seed. Yeah, but you would
have then a one loss team maybe like you could
have a scenario like you had with Mission in this
year of being a one lost team that is left
out of the out of the dark, or left out
in the cold, because when when when your league? That's
the main way to do it. But that's not the

(49:12):
they're not even if if of just winning your league
and now all of a sudden they're left through all
these different scenarios just because they lost one game. When
when a when a Washington State team will just use
them as an example, I'm not seeing them this year.
If they were to go in three, they have three
bad Saturdays. Granted they may have been in September, but
there would have been three bad Saturdays. Well, Michigan had

(49:32):
one bad day and now you're leaving them out. It's
like the Dallas Cowboys. We could say, we want to
about the NFC East. They won the division, so they
get to go to the tournament. Um. The Patriots have
owned the an f C East forever because it's not
a really it's not a great division, but they own it.
So if you want to go to the playoffs, I
think it's simple. If I want to go and I

(49:53):
want to make sure that we're going win the league,
I think that actually brings more to the conferences because
now the championship game matters. All of those things really
matter because it's the league qualifier. I think I think
it adds intrigued to it. I would I would say
that the championship game matters. But one of the things
that I'm not a huge fan of his uneven divisions,

(50:17):
and I you look at the big big ten East
in the world that you have to navigate to get there,
and then you look at the big ten West and
it's it's tougher. So so then I think that is
on the conferences to figure out how can we maneuver,
and that's what the big ten actually tried to do

(50:39):
with the legends and leaders. Nobody knew. I still don't
know who was in what division, and it's been the
I thought it was all the ms and end it was,
and then the others you don't even know. I thought
it was all the ms and ends. I thought it
was Misigan in Minnesota and there there. Their goal back
then was to have Michigan in in Ohio State play

(51:01):
in a Big Ten title game, or have Penn State
in Nebraska. That's where it was. It was split up.
Ohio State, Penn State in Wisconsin were in the same
bracket in Michigan and Nebraska with Minnesota, if you will,
we were in the in the same division I shouldn't
say Brackett, but in the same division. That was their
goal and it never panned out. And when you look
at you know, the the A C c As, it

(51:23):
had really good championship games. In fact, the Big Twelve
this year with the Texas Oklahoma matchup, and they don't
do divisions. The first real like true rivalry rivalry we
had revisited because Georgia and Florida aren't in the aren't
gonna be playing in the title game because they're in
the same division, so you don't have that much and
it was actually one of the more intriguing title games.

(51:44):
So I did think that opened maybe the discussion up
a little bit more of like, okay, well what about
if you did have this? But the point being is
there's there's there's no perfect solution to do. So for
everybody who wants to say, well, a group of five
automatically gets in, well, then you're putting UCF in over Michigan,
and then you're saying well at large and UCF says, okay,

(52:04):
now the group of five, there is no path. If
you looked at last year, if you looked at the
brackets and how things would play out, you could have Ohio,
State of Miami, who are ranked seventh and eighth last
year be on the outside looking in, with a USC
in a Central Florida being moved in. And so those

(52:24):
those are the sort of things where I just don't
think that there is a solution of saying five, two
and one and noted name is a big wild card
in all of this because of of their independence and
and how they are pushed in. But I just there's
no easy solution, and I'm fine with four because I

(52:46):
just don't. I would rather debate over four and five
and then then seven and eight. By the way, if
we do away with the bowl games, this is what
we would miss out on. We'd miss out of a
first quarter cancelation like we had yesterday, And you would
also missile out over the cheese iyon T Bowl last night,
and you would also miss You would also miss out

(53:11):
on long snaps on a punt hitting the up back
in the helmet like we just saw Temple do against
Duke and the Independence Bowl. That is what you would
be missing out if you took away the bulls. Maybe
my my non championship tournament isn't a great idea, but
I just the back and forth of the four and
the eight. The eight can't get on the same page,

(53:32):
and and and and some have one way, some have another.
Oh it's an easy solution. I'm more. I'm more open
to a six where the first two team, top two
teams would get buys. But I just think when you
open it up against eight, and every single year is different,
So every single year, different arguments move in and move out,

(53:52):
and with four it just stays the way it is.
And considering how long it had been in college football.
I'm fine with it. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
How much will the Clemson Tigers miss? This is the
Doug Gottlaib Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks.

(54:15):
I'm Dan Buyer. They're having a good time in Shreveport.
Duke running away with it against Temple. Now Temple at
a lead. It's now seven Duke and the extra point
coming up is Duke just had a defensive touchdown. One
of one of three bowl games today. This is all
happened basically in about sixteen minutes or so, because there

(54:37):
are a minute gone by in the fourth quarter. But
it's all Duke in the second half, which I know
is not not not a not great news for North Carolina.
Tar Helo. Do you are you the guy that roots
for all a CC teams to do well? Okay? You
want everyone to lose? Yes? You just and are you? Caroline?

(55:00):
I don't. I don't care about it. In in an
n C double A tournament when everyone is going like, oh,
it's better for a CC, I don't care. I was
that way for a long time and then everyone started
to hate the Big Ten. Everyone hated the Big Ten,
and it was open season, SEC chance wherever you would hear,
and I started to say to myself, you know what,

(55:22):
enough of this hate. We've got a band together. I
still won't cheer for Michigan. I still hope Michigan loses.
Just you don't get a long, you don't get a
don't get a groue listen a group hug when when
Ohio State or they all hate it, they all hate it.
But the point is is if Iowa ends up winning

(55:44):
their bowl game, that's you know, yeah, then when they
have the records up, it's just like the Big Ten,
a c C challenge. I didn't years ago. The SEC
brought it upon so many. We bring on Pete feu
Tech in College Football News, joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Hey Pete, Mary Christmas, how there are things
with you? Everything is going just fine, better than the

(56:07):
American Athletic Conference. Right now, I'm beginning I call me crazy.
I'm starting to begin to think that maybe you see
a schedule just wasn't that great. I know it's crazy,
it's not you know. It's interesting because Bucky and I
were just talking and I'm sure we we are the
nine sports show to debate the college football playoff, as

(56:29):
we were just talking four versus eight. But the point
of the discussion, Pete was this is I don't think
that the eights are on the same page that of
of some want that automatic bid for the group of five,
some want all at large, And I'm like, until the
eights actually get on the same page, I think the
four's are going to have it is there? Where where

(56:49):
do you stand? Not just on all of it, but
but but do the eights even have an argument for
for wanting this sort of playoff because they tried to
do everything as crazy as someone do everything humanly available
to not make this easy? How about the six? And
I think the next wave of this might be that,

(57:10):
first of all, you've got to give the number one
in two teams a bit of a break because right now,
the problem with four is that you don't get anything
for being first or second. Look at last year Clemson
was the number one seam in the college football playoffs. Hey, congratulations,
you used to play Alabama exactly, so there, so there's

(57:32):
there's just no incentive there to be one or two.
So my guess that the next phase is going to
happen is is that there's going to be like a
four and the top two teams get to buy. But
in terms of the eighth, my personal belief is the
best way to do this, the best way to keep
the regular season, to make it matter is to you
have to make it the five Power five conference champions,

(57:56):
the top group of five champ and then two wild
card for two reasons. One, if you just make it
eight at large, then you can still keep out teams
and you get you say you can't play for something,
so then you're still staying about seventy other college football
program taste. Thanks, but four years from now, we know
that you're already out of the playoff run. And secondly,

(58:18):
it makes the college football playoffs matter more. And finally,
if you can't fit into the criteria of winning your
championship or being one of those two at large teams,
you don't deserve to be in. Hey, I look, I agree.
The only thing I don't know each year if I
want to see a group of five squad because but
you gotta, you gotta, you gotta give him a cut, him,

(58:40):
some sort of a break. But he looks so far
in the college football. It's going back to UCF being
beating Baylor. Uh. In the last year, the BCS, the powerful,
the group of five teams have won every one of
these you know, Big New Year's six games except for
Western Michigan against Wisconsin. So they've held up reasonably well.
So you've got to give the little guy at least

(59:01):
some break. But how I think the best way to
do this is it would be awesome if they two
weeks ago on like, oh is it December fifteen? Fish
that Saturday we had Smorgus boards Saturday where you had
you know, one verse that you had your you know,
Washington playing against Alabama or you know, you see F
going to Clemson or however that would have worked out

(59:23):
on the home field sites that one Saturday. Then you
have the bowl games in the middle of this all,
and then you do the college football playoffs as as
regulars now. And I don't think anybody would complain to
keep your bowl games. Everyone still us to have your fun.
But you know that there's still the big games that's
happening there. I dig it. I actually like that. I
like I like thinking about it because to me, the

(59:44):
bowl games now we have so many of them, they
kind of watered down. You don't have the same participation
when it comes to the NFL guys or the hopefuls
pulling out. I think this will kind of juice up,
um what we're looking at during the time of the year. Well,
oh yesterday, Yesterday kind of proved once and for all
that the bulging just don't matter. I mean, you can cancel,

(01:00:04):
you know, the serve pro first responders like, yeah, we're done,
We're not this thing. And so look, you know the
ratings are down, you know, fans don't show up. You know,
you're right, the NFL players, there's no reason to playing
this if you're you're an NFL guy. So all right,
just there used to be some tweak because now in
a playoff era, these these are being exposed more and

(01:00:27):
more for exhibitions, which they are aren't always work. But
at least back in the Bowl and poll era, if
you could at least say, okay, if we win our game,
maybe we'll finish in the top fift team. And that
was the kind of incentive. Now you don't really have
that anymore. Pete Fucheck joining us here on Fox Sports. Right,
let's actually talk about the playoff and the teams that
are in it. How much is Clemson going to be
affected by these positive drug test? Next another waiting for

(01:00:51):
the B sample, but they could plea playing their game
against Notre Dame on Saturday without extra lords. How much
does this hurt the Tigers? It certainly doesn't help. I mean,
you've got a guy who when he's right as a
top ten overall draft pick and he's you know, multi
year pro bowler over the next decade or so, don't
get better by losing him. But he's still It's it's

(01:01:12):
an interesting situation because, first of all, college football is
miserable when it comes and trying to figure out who
is doing what kind of uh steroids and performance enhancing drugs.
I mean, really, no one's getting pinched for anything. I mean,
it's a totally clean sport. I don't think so. But
in the case of Dexter Lawrence, this kid has always

(01:01:34):
been a massive, you know, kind of freakishly big human being,
and Clemson is certainly acting and like, hey, this is
just a sort of a weird mistaken from all indications,
it kind of sounds like it's a weird positive test
that could have come from an acting medication or just
it puts it's just a small, small, tiny trace of

(01:01:55):
this in there. So it's it'll be interesting to see
what this next test comes out and see what happens
with it. But certainly, uh, Clemson is back in their guy,
and they're not saying a thing about whether or not
that he might be guilty, and they're saying that it's
it's something had to go nearly wrong because it just
doesn't seem like him. But let's say they do lose him,
you still have an NFL defensive front four there for

(01:02:17):
Clemson going against an order name team that's gonna have
to run the ball to win. For the first time ever,
we may have someone executed from a bowl game instead
of suspended. That's funny, um pete. There's a lot of
conversation in the NFL community buzzing about Kyler Murray now
with Justin Herbert elected to go back to Oregon. For

(01:02:38):
the people who haven't seen Kyla Murray play, why is
there so much intrigue and fascination about the Heisman Trophy winner, Well,
the start, he's he's he's coming off of the greatest
season regular season in college football history by any quarterback
in these in terms of efficiency, he bested what Baker
Mayfield did last year. He has he just came up

(01:02:59):
with the ratist singular statistical campaign ever. I mean, this
is just he's tremendously accurate. He's got blinding speed, and
he's the smart, tough player who can just ball out
the problem. And he's a winner. He had some crazy
record like he went to something like you know, eighty
year in oh or a hundred and twenty and oh

(01:03:20):
or something like that in high school. Uh, he's a
he's a high school legend. He just knows how to win.
The problem is he's about as big as I don't know,
like a twelve year old girl. I mean, he's just
he's just very small. He's not a bigger Mayfield is
at least compact, and he's a he's a smallish kind
of guy. Kyler Murray's about five nine ish one ish.

(01:03:44):
He's just not a big guy. So but he would
really really break a mold in terms of height and
weight and size. But when you've got that passing skill
and that speed, certainly he's going to be intrigued to
someone in the NFL. And if you're got Boris his agent. Yeah,
you want to pump up the idea that said, all right,
here's the next Boos kind of thing where maybe he

(01:04:06):
can you know, give it a shot. At least you
guys to keep it out there for all sorts of
different uh money and endorsement purposes. We'll wrap up with
a publisher of College Football News dot com with this,
what is your favorite non playoff bowl games outside of
the big one? I mean, the Rose Bowl is always
easy because that's the one bowl game that that kind

(01:04:29):
of transcends everything else. We can you can you argue
away that, yeah, these other bowl games really don't matter,
but the Rose Bowl does. It's just different. Like at
this point that my bigger problem with the New Year's
Six and the College Football Playoff is that all these
other bowls, at least the big ones, kind of seem interchangeable.
Are they playing in the this Peach Bowl, Are they're
playing in the Fiesta? Are they playing and you know

(01:04:52):
the Sugar They all kind of seem like they're all
one and the same. But the Rose Bowl is always
going to have that place on New Year's Day when
everyone tongue over and just hanging out and you're watching
at least this year, Big ten versus Pack twelve. It's
it's always it's going to take that spot. It's right
up there with anything else in American sports. So that's
that's the obvious one. I'm kind of interested in games

(01:05:14):
like tonight where Miami versus uh Wisconsin going off of
the pin strip for a few minutes. Mark Rick could
kind of use a big win, so if he if
they pull this off. It's one of the things about
bowl games and it dictates the narrative for the offseason.
If Miami wins this, all of said, Okay, maybe we've
got something going here. So they lose. Wait a minute,
this isn't working under Mark Rick. And for Wisconsin, a

(01:05:36):
team that should have been College football playoffs good all
season long. Now then get a chance to redeem themselves.
We get to see Jonathan Taylor go as his great
offensive line. So now we start to get in the
real bowl games of was real teams and it should
be a lot of fun. He's Pete Fucheck. Find him
on Twitter. It's simple enough at Pete Feutech, publisher at
College football News dot com. And yeah, try to try
to survive the hangover from last night's cheese, It's Bowl.

(01:06:00):
We'll have a good triple header today. Daniel Jones almost
caught his own touchdown pass or touchdown pass the cheese
and bowl. All you want at least those guys that
those two teams played. Yeah, that's true. That's where the
bar was set yesterday. I'll take my nine interception combined
for two teams that actually got to play a game.

(01:06:22):
We appreciate it. Pete, enjoy it. Tonight we'll talk to
you against in He's Pete feet Check. That's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. We are in for Doug gottlie Pierre
on the Doug Gottlieb Show for the latest on that
Independence Bowl that's going on right now and so much more.
We go over to Isaac Lowen Cron get the latest. Hello, Isaac,
Dan and Bucky Duke. Quarterback Daniel Jones really helping his
draft stock today because he's twenty seven out of thirty

(01:06:45):
six for four hundred seven yards and just threw his
fifth touchdown pass as Duke has taken a fifty six
to twenty seven lead over Temple with ten sixteen left
to play in the fourth quarter of the Independence Bowl.
On the bright Side Temple is now an honorary member
of the Pack twelve. Georgia. Senior cornerback DeAndre Baker, the

(01:07:06):
Thorpe Award winner as the nation's top defensive back, will
not play in the upcoming Sugar Bowl against Texas. According
to Bulldogs head coach Kirby Smart, it was Baker's decision
and not injury related to the NFL. Tennessee Titans quarterback
Marcus Mariott to return to practice today after being held
out yesterday, Officially deemed a limited participant in practice today

(01:07:28):
because of neck and foot injuries. The Titans host the
Colts on Sunday Night Football and the winner take all
final game of the regular season. And finally, Ram's head
coach Sean McVeigh told The l A Times a short
time ago that Todd Gurley will not practice today or tomorrow,
though that would not necessarily keep him from playing in
Sunday's a regular season finale against the forty Niners. Gurley

(01:07:50):
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a knee injury. Dan and Bucky back to you, Thank
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Something that was making its way around Twitter today Baseball
Hall of Fame balloting now coming up in less than
a month. We'll find out who makes up the class
of nineteen for the Baseball Hall of Fame. But it's
more bucky about the conversation of Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.

(01:08:37):
And the Barry Bonds conversation is one. Keith Law, great
baseball mind, made a made a plea today in one
of his pieces of of why Barry Bonds should be
in and now with the Veterans Committee adding certain players
that have come under controversy of Harold Baines, for example,

(01:08:58):
uh Keith pointed out bud Sea League, who didn't have
the greatest tenure as Baseball's commissioner of him being into
the Hall of fame, but may have looked the other
way during the steroid era. And is it fair or
not to leave these guys out? Are you a proponent
to put Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in the Hall
of Fame? Absolutely, because there are two dominant baseball players
of that era. And if baseball was not testing and

(01:09:21):
all we're doing is merely speculating and trying to pick
and choose who we deemed to be p e D users,
I just don't think it's fair, um, unless we have
like documented stuff when it was against the rules. And
so for me, I just think on their their stats,
the way Barry Bonds played even before people began to

(01:09:44):
speculate about him using PDS, I felt like he was
a Hall of Famer, So to me, I think both
of those guys should be included. On What I find
interesting is two things. Number one is that throughout this
voting process that went dating back to Team I believe
the consistency of Bonds and Clemens getting their votes pretty

(01:10:06):
consistent for the simple factor for a couple of years
Bucky early on they were separated by four votes. Now
those votes went up, So what that tells me is
new voters that came in were voting for Clemens and Bonds.
But my question is to the four people or the
the other outlawyers, how can you vote for one and
not vote for the other. They may not view like

(01:10:29):
it may not be a pedis p D issue. It
may just be maybe they didn't think they were worthy
of being Hall of Famers as players. And and that's
what That's what I don't understand is that and in
this in this specific case, like Clemons is a no
brainer to me, and and and Bonds would be a
no brainer based on their numbers, but and in this
case it was Clements actually getting four more votes. But

(01:10:51):
it's why is it? Is it because Barry Bonds wasn't
friendly with the media. Is that something that you're holding
a grudge to me? They should have the exact say numbers,
because either you believe they should be in or they shouldn't.
Now here's another thing that I think is interesting is
now in what is separating the Old Guard from the
New Guard, we are finding more and more about how actual,

(01:11:12):
how valuable Barry Bonds actually was. And there are some
who are saying that his numbers rate him as the
second best player of all time when you compare everything
with with our new age stats, if you will. When
you take Barry Bonds and talking about his value, there
was a piece a couple of weeks ago saying Barry
Bonds four times more valuable than some of the New

(01:11:35):
Hall of famers like a Harold Baines or others. So
it's almost it's it's not even to the point of
of the the P E. D. S. Bucky what I
find amazing. It's more of New age baseball and how
we look at numbers and how we look at players
as that maybe the push. It's not the I'm over
the steroids or so many people were using it that
we just don't know who it's that. Okay, this was

(01:11:58):
their actual value, and that seems to be a push.
And that's to me, is fascinating, Well, it should be
fascinating to my naked I was living in the Bay
Area when he was playing and wrapping up his career
with San Francisco Giants, and Barry Bonds would only get
two or three pitches to hit each game, and it
seemed like one of those pictures was knocked out the
part sure, and so to just think about how hard

(01:12:22):
it was for him to know, I'm not going to
get many pitches to hit, but I have to do
something with it. That level of excellence that he was
able to deliver time after time again, I just think
you have to have a great appreciation for it. In
a sport where it is hard to get on base,
where it's hard to hit the ball three out of

(01:12:43):
ten times, his excellence and knocking the ball off the yard,
his excellence in terms of getting on base when he
was younger, a guy, being a five tool player, all
of those things. He was just an outstanding player, and
in my mind, that is what a Hall of Famer
should be. There was there was no doubt in the
It's been the argument of some, including myself, was without

(01:13:04):
all of this, Bonds was probably going to be a
Hall of Famer. And then everything took off in an
era where his numbers were inflated. And there are others
as well. The longevity of Clement's career, I think is
is a legit argument. Now with the Veterans Committee allowing
something that that others feels shouldn't be in, I think
is also allowing many people to think like, all right,
now is the time for for Bonds and Clements to

(01:13:26):
get in. There's one other point about this year's classes.
Votes are being submitted, and again about mid to late januaries.
Around January, I think, is when the official announcement of
the class comes in. Is Mariano Rivera coming in and
and likely to be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
And there are some who saying he should be a
unanimous Hall of Fame inductee. I find that interesting for

(01:13:49):
the simple fact of this is, for as great as
Rivera was, if we are now starting to find out
more and more about the importance and the value of
Barry Bonds and Roger Clements using to days numbers and
and and moneyball, if you will, and in different stats.
The way that we use relief pictures now in Major
League Baseball would almost take Marianna Rivera off of that

(01:14:11):
because now we're saying, well, how important were saves? And
so there's just different arguments. When you go back and forth,
you've gotta be careful because if the door swings one way,
it's gonna hit somebody else. And in this case, if
you if you're opening it up to allow to show
the value of bonds and clements, when you look at
today's baseball, and heck how they've been played in the playoffs,
and the Rays are going to continue to start with

(01:14:32):
the reliever at started games in twenty nineteen. That could
be a case against Mariano Rivera. Yeah, you know, And
and I love Mariano Rivera. I mean the cutter, the
way he was able to consistently deliver you, like all
of those things. I don't know if it necessarily needs
to be a slam duck that he goes in with
unanimous um support in terms of his Hall of Hall

(01:14:54):
of Fame bid, but he certainly deserves to be in
the mix. I just you know, I think for all
of those guys for bonds, for clemens uh from Mariano Rivera,
I just would like to make it as simple as this.
When we were watching the TV and we're watching these
guys in big games who were the best guys on
the field, who were the best guys of their era,

(01:15:16):
I think the Hall of Fame should include all of
those guys. Like even when I think about like Pete
Rose and all of that other stuff, like to me
as a kid, the best players, the guys that I
remember settling up to the couch making sure that they
were musty TV because I wanted to watch them play.
Those are the guys that I would like to be

(01:15:37):
able to go to Cooper's count and show my kids
these were the best players that ever played this game.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Dog
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, a
former Pittsburgh Steeler knows the reason why this team may
miss the playoffs, and he puts the blame on one
person in particular. We'll tell you who that is next
year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live

(01:16:03):
editions of The Doug dot Leap Show week days at
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Dan Buyer, sitting in for Doug today on this Thursday.
Duke up twenty nine, still throwing the ball in the
Independence Bowl. Why wouldn't you? All right, there's there's eight

(01:16:26):
minutes left. Why not your your quarterback could be a
first round pick. Hey man, we just callay geez. That's
those dukeies for you, all right, Mr tar It doesn't
you know they don't pay me enough money to coach
my team and your team. Daniel Jones is Isaac has
giving you the updates throughout the day. But right now,
five touchdown passes four and three yards just got sandwiched

(01:16:49):
on a sack that Duke was running with about eight
minutes to go in the game while they were throwing
on second and eight. I don't know, but Duke likely
on their way to an Independence Bowl victory. Well, they're
gonna win their game. We're gonna play I know we
played a game last hour. We're gonna do something that
Doug always likes to do at this time. It's an
opportunity for us to hear something great from Fox Sports

(01:17:10):
Radio or Fox Sports One that didn't include on this show.
So maybe another program, maybe a TV show. And that's
what we get right here with and now. Because on
Undisputed on Fox Sports One, former Steelers linebacker James Harrison
placed the blame on why the Steelers may miss out

(01:17:33):
on the postseason. I would have to get out to
Mike Tomlin and the reason I give it to him
because he's the head coach. He has to go out
there and get their team. Get this team ready. You've
had instances where the defense plays well, you had instance
word offense plays well, and you know that they're capable
of doing that if you look at the defense that
you know he's actually built. I mean, I think he

(01:17:54):
has six or seven first rounders. He has a couple
of second rounders through either draft or trade. So he's
put together a defense that should be capable of going
out there and stopping, uh, you know, stopping offenses. And
I think at the end of it, the Achilles Hill
has been the defense not able to come through in
the end. So, um, you know, I have to put

(01:18:14):
that on on on Mike Tomlins even though he has
you know, one a significant amount of games. He's won
super Bowls. But if you even look at that and
you go back the Super Bowl that he did win
was basically a Bill Coward based team. Um, the team
that actually went in two thousand and ten was still
a majority of Coward And since then, UM, I think
he's reached the ANFC Championship game one time, and over

(01:18:38):
the course of the last two years, Uh, he's lost
just the first game to Jacksonville, where the defense gave
up forty fifty something points. And you know, this year
they have a possibility of not making it, so all
that has to go on, UH Coach Tomas, I would
never want to disagree with anything James Harrison said for
my own safety. But I I find it amazingly revealing

(01:19:01):
because you and I had a discussion about the Steelers
and maybe where the blame should be put, and Mike
Tomlin's name was was front and center in those discussions.
But Bucky I was surprised that he went as far
to say as those Super Bowl teams, teams that he
was on in a big part of that players on
that team, including himself, consider that a Bill Coward team.

(01:19:23):
That's farther than I've heard anybody go on an indictment
on Mike Tomlin. Well, I mean, ultimately, it always falls
on the the you know, the shoulders of the hair coach.
The hair coach is in charge of the team, he's
in charge of setting division, he's in charge of trying
to get all of his players to buy into what
he's selling. And there are a number of things that
took place with the Steelers this year that I would

(01:19:44):
put on Mike Tomlins. The way they reacted to the
Levan Bill deal, to me, that is a leadership issue.
The way Ben Roethlisberger handles press conferences and constantly throws
his coaches and teammates under the bust. At some point
you had to bring big being into the office and say, hey, man,
what you're doing is detrimental to the squad. If you

(01:20:05):
have an issue with a player, let's do that away
from the public eye. But does not air our dirty
laundry the way that his guys appear to lack. I
won't say like discipline in detail, but so many mistakes
that take place, they're just not what I call a
detailed team. That all stems from the coach. And a

(01:20:25):
lot of times your team is a reflection of the
head coach. And so he's an emotional guy. And I
love coach Thomlins. I will tell you to this day.
I love and emulate the things that he does as
a as a coach. However, because he appears to be
so up and down emotionally, I feel like his team
is very emotional, and the higher the emotion go, who's

(01:20:47):
the lord of execution can go? The reason you see
the Patriots are a little more even killed in flatline,
they're here. Coaches like that take the emotion out, focus
on the execution. So a lot of the responsibilities or
the pittsburghs Stiller's failures should go to Mike Tomlins this team,
Mrs Todd Haley. I mean, yeah, Now, I can't say

(01:21:09):
that that is all on Tomlin. I know that there
are some discord and disconnect between Big Ben and Todd Haley,
and Big being got his way. Sometimes you have to
have someone that can hold the players accountable. Todd Haley
made it uncomfortable for Ben because he constantly held him accountable.
The easy way isn't always the best way. And I

(01:21:35):
also think that Todd Haley probably took some heat that
Mike Tomlin previously got. If if Todd Haley was still there,
maybe the outcome is different. But if the if the
outcome was the same, Todd Haley would be getting a
lot of the heat. Now it's Mike Tomlin out in
the open and those Super Bowl comments. I hadn't heard
that before, so that was shocking to me. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show College

(01:21:56):
football playoff on Saturday. How do you change it? That? Next?
Glad to have you with us is we are about
forty eight hours away from the college football Playoff getting underway.
It'll be Alabama in Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, Clemson
and Notre Dame going at it in the Cotton Bowl,
and of course the National Championship a week and a

(01:22:18):
half in Santa Clara, California, home of the San Francisco
forty Niners. All that and so much more coming up.
Of course, it's a four team playoff as we are
in the midst of bowl season, and I was even
speaking with our executive producer Gavin Kinsell, and prior to
the show, we were talking about the playoffs being on Saturday,

(01:22:38):
and it's what we talked about earlier the week. People
are so used to having the playoffs either on New
Year's Eve or on New Year's Day that because of
the playoffs schedule and way the calendar sorts out and
where the powers at b A College Football want that
national champion Championship game to be played. Because the way
that the calendar sets up, you've got two key matchups

(01:22:58):
coming up on December twenty nine. It earlier than we
are usually used to when it comes to suttling college
football's national champion. Yeah, but it's going to be a
ton of fund. These games are so compelling. The Alabama
Oklahoma game to meet as musty TV Heisman Trophy winner
Kyler Murray taking on Nick Saban. Uh, Kyler Murray is
typically the kryptonite and Nick Saban doesn't want to see

(01:23:20):
for his defenses mobile quarterback that's a playmaker that is
also accurate. We saw what Deshaun Watson was able to
do to Alabama in two games against the Crimson todd
Um and so there's a lot of intrigue about Kyler
Murray kind of showing up and performing. And then you
also want to see is this Alabama juggernaut going to
continue to be the team that lords over college football? Um.

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When you look at their team, there's still a young team. Uh,
you have two of you have Jalen Hurst, you have
all the young guys on the outside, Jerry Judy's and
the like. You have all the pro prospects down in
the trenches. You just want to see if Oklahoma can
apple the evil Empire. And then in the other game,
you have Clemson and Notre Dame. And Notre Dame is
a little more traditional, a little more smash mouth, old

(01:24:07):
school and how they play it. But Clemson man they've
been on the big stage, they become kind of like
that new powerhouse in college football. They could be without
three guys due to failed drug tests. Um, but it's
still such such up both games. When when it goes
to Alabama and Oklahoma. This was the theory that I

(01:24:28):
always felt with Alabama. And it's easier said than done,
and it may be this way for other teams, but
I think really for Alabama, the way you could beat
them was in the vertical passing game. Old Miss would
have success against them and got a couple of wins
against them. We saw Johnny Manzel during his day go

(01:24:49):
to Alabama and I'm I am lumping in all of
the Alabama teams, but there were themes even when they
lost to Ohio State in the National Semifinal game and
Ezekiel Elliott had the big run to seal it and
ended up having over two hundred yards rushing. It was
also the threat of Cardale Jones throwing downfield, throwing to
Devin Smith. I always felt throwing vertically was a way

(01:25:11):
to beat Alabama. Oklahoma. I think you can do that.
You can't do it east and West because Oklahoma Alabama
had too many guys that linebackers that could run, and
it was just difficult. But if you went straight at
them with the running game and straight at him with
the vertical passing game, you could get stuff done against
that Crimson Tide defense. Yeah, you have to. You have
to challenge them deep. You're not going to nickel and

(01:25:31):
down the ball down the field. They're too fast, they're
too good. You're more likely to self implode than to
make plays in that vein. But you have to have
the personnel to be able to get past him. The
teams that have traditionally given them problems are the teams
that have a mobile quarterback and have explosive playmakers on
the outside, because you gotta be able to block them
up front to give your quarterback enough time where they

(01:25:54):
can wear out those guys on the outside and one
on one situation. So Alabama certainly has the person now
on offense to give them problems. The biggest issue will
be are they good enough to slow Alabama down because
Alabama's offense is just as explosive and dominant as their defense. Again,
those games coming up on Saturday, Notre Dame and Clemson
will play at four o'clock Eastern time, and then at

(01:26:16):
eight o'clock Eastern time, Oklahoma takes on Alabama again in
the Orange Bowl. Earlier on the show, we were joined
by Pete Feutech at College Football News dot Com and
we spoke with Pete on a variety of subjects like
if how's clums are gonna do if they don't have
Dexter Lawrence, and how are things going to play out
with Oklahoma and Alabama? And if you missed it, you

(01:26:37):
can always go to Fox Sports Radio dot com and
iTunes and download it and hear Pete's answer. What I
want you to hear from Pete was his thoughts on
a possible eight team playoff in college football. This was
Pete Fetech earlier with us here on the Duck Got
Leap Show. I don't personal believe it's the best way
to do this. The best way to keep the regular season,
to make it matter is you have to make it

(01:26:59):
the five Power five conference champions, a group of five champs,
and then two wild cards. For two reasons. One, if
you just make it eight at large, then you can
still keep out teams and you get you say you
can't play for something, so then you're still saying about
other college football programs tas thanks, but four years from now,

(01:27:20):
we know that you're already out of the playoff run.
And secondly, it makes the college football playoffs matter more.
And finally, if you can't fit into the criteria of
winning your championship or being one of those two at
large teams, you don't deserve to be in and you
CF is you CEF to meet is the exception to
the rule? I just don't think that when when you

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talk about allowing a group of five school in, you
obviously want to have them have the path. I get
all of that, like I just like in college basketball,
as crazy as it is, there is a way for
a team who didn't win a game in the regular
season to win their conference tournament somehow get into the

(01:28:02):
n c Double A tournament by that conference tournament championship
and win a national title. Now you're also with that
scenario would throw out everything that had happened in the
four previous months. So it's the longest of shots. But
you're giving everybody a shot. And that's where the question
lies is is it does everybody need a shot? Is

(01:28:24):
does it have to be every year? Because what we've
seen in my whole argument Bucky was when we talked
with this Pete and we talked about earlier, was every
single year gives us a different circumstance. We're not going
to have an unbeaten group of five team every single year,
and we're sure as heck probably not gonna have one
for back to back years like we have UCF. Yeah,
you'd like to have them in, but to have that, no,

(01:28:47):
it's it's it's not gonna happen. They're gonna be Here's
where there's gonna be four teams in the top eight
in the SEC, and somebody's gonna end up being left out.
So at least with four there's a lot more there
are more checks and balance his conference title. Then you
can take the conference champions and figure out away. And
I know Notre Dames the outlier. It's just to me
if you open it up to eight europening opening it

(01:29:09):
up two teams that maybe aren't as worthy as the
top teams, and there's too many scenarios each different year
to get a perfect scenario. I don't know if you
can never have a perfect scenario. The NC Double a
basketball tournament is not a perfect scenario. The team that
typically wins that it is not the best team in
the country. They may not be the best team from
wire to wire, but we crowned them the national champion

(01:29:30):
because they endure a bit of a gauntlet. Um, So
even if you have some B plus teams that sneak
into the eight man qualified the eight team tournament, I
still believe the champion has to go through three games
to prove their worthiness of being crowned the champion. I
like that aspect because it also typically comes with a

(01:29:50):
league conference championship to go with it. One of the
things that college football has following into the trap of
college that college basketball used to it. College Basketball selection
Committee moved away from this, but I still think it's
a college football issue. September I have. I've noted for
the last couple of years, September doesn't matter in college football,

(01:30:12):
and it it It's only mattered in a couple of
rare instances. Last year, Oklahoma got the win over Ohio State,
and it was a great win for Oklahoma. So if
there was there, if there was a debate, you could
always point to Oklahoma going to Columbus. Now the year
prior when Ohio State ended up getting into the playoffs

(01:30:33):
and then we're beaten by Clemson in in that semifinal,
Ohio State went to Oklahoma and ended up getting a win,
and if there was would have been a tiebreaker, you
could have decided it. But this year we had Notre
Dame beaten Michigan in a game in week one of
the night of the college football season, and when we
heard the committee talk about the rankings, the only reason

(01:30:55):
they were putting Notre Dame ahead of Michigan was because
is of that win everything else, it was Notre Dame
four Michigan five. Now, as you're looking at it optics wise,
there was no way that Michigan, with the one loss
and Notre Dame being undefeated, that they could pass them.
But what bothered me so much, Bucky about it was
that that win meant so little that it was only

(01:31:17):
a spot. So if Notre Dame would have lost, if
Notre Dame would have had bad luck and maybe a
kick goes off the upright and they don't win the game,
they were ready to put Michigan on top of Notre Dame,
even though that you had the head to head. And
that's something that bothers me in college football as it
plays out because We are looking so much at all
these different factors, but we rarely look at head to head,

(01:31:39):
and head to head in September is really big because
we look at all the great college basketball or the
college football matchups that are non conference games, and I
don't think that they're being put into accounts on how
this playoff committee looks at things. That's the only issue
that that I would have with how this committee is
laying out their ranking. See here's there even kind of
fortifies my argument for an eight team tournament um based

(01:32:03):
on eight team playoff based on having the five Power
five champions and three at large verse. When you make
the emphasis on winning the league title, you now as
a coach can take on those other games. I can
be USC and take on Texas. I can be um
A Georgia and go out of my league and take

(01:32:23):
on a power like a pen State because those things
aren't going to work against me their bonus points. So
if I don't win my league, but I do be
Penn State, it gives me an opportunity. I think we
want to see more competitive games in September, and eight
team playoff will do that with the emphasis on winning
the league championship. Because now those bonus games, they don't

(01:32:45):
dock me, they only enhance my resume in case I
don't win my league. Tips. Yeah, we look at things
that that don't matter as much. And I'll just I'll
bring up the Purdue Ohio State game for for this
this point. And we talked about it yesterday with Georgia
Tech playing Minnesota in a bowl game, and you you
set off there and didn't say it on the are
You're like, Minnesota's got a bunch of weeks to prepare

(01:33:06):
for this option offense. But if you're not used to it,
and you've got that a CC schedule where Georgia Tech
is just in the sandwich in between games, say against
the Miami and Florida State, that's where you can get
That's where you can get hooked. That's where you could
get caught. And now all of a sudden we're looking
at it and saying like, well, you lost to Georgia
Tech when it's a very very difficult situation to be

(01:33:27):
put in to prepare for an offense and matchups and
we we we try to nitpick everything. But while we're
doing that, we're overlooking so many different things. And that's why,
like this the looking at the one game situation, are
looking at the one loss. I just don't think it's
fair to a lot of schools. No, it's not very
because you have to be able to look at it
in context and because you know, one of the biggest
issues you have some teams that are playing non conference

(01:33:49):
games and others. I think the SEC they they have
an eight game conference schedule and they always have their
game right around before Thanksgiving where they play a weaker team.
Every when in the league plays like a week opponent
to give them a break. I think you want to
level it off and make sure that everyone is on
the same playing field when it comes to how they're
scheduling their games, who they're playing, how they're trying to

(01:34:12):
kind of uh maximize and put the finishing touches on
their resume. And so the best way to do it
has really come up with a solid playoff plan that
allows everybody to have a real legit opportunity to participate
for the national title. Quickly, I asked Pete fu Check
what his favorite non playoff bowl game was, and he
kind of defaulted to the Roads Bowl. What's your favorite?
The Peach Bowl, The Peach Bowl, the Peach Peach Bote

(01:34:34):
typically always has a great game. We played in the
ninety three Peach Bowl when I was in North Carolina,
played against Mississippi State. My ears are still ringing from
Mississippi States. But yeah, great opportunity. Man. It is a
fantastic game. And typically they always have great matchups. Last
year I got a chance to see U c F
knockoff Auburn in that game, and so it is always

(01:34:58):
a great matchup to watch. I think this year is
Florida in Michigan game. You want to know what mine is,
I'm gonna tell you anyway, So you might Sun Bowl.
You know I've been. There's always cold. Yeah, nobody's watching
you tap during the season, so it's very It's it's

(01:35:18):
a new stadium. It was CBS had college football all
season long, but only had the package for the Sun Bowl.
They didn't have like the National Championship for so long,
so the only game that they would promote would be
the Sun Bowl from Asso and it was on New
Year's Eve, just like it is this year. It's up
pitt and Stanford playing this year. I loved watching the

(01:35:40):
Sun Bowl. So the Sun Bowl is one that stands
out Holiday Bowl is great. You always get great matchups.
That's gonna be on Fox on New Year's Eve. But
I love the Sun Bowl. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Via.
This is the Doug gott Leaves Show here on Fox
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(01:36:00):
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joining us here on Fox. Hey, Ed, Happy Holiday's, Happy
New Year? How are you same to you? And to clarify,
at one point in that introduction. I will not be
changing in the locker room. That's that's most of the

(01:36:44):
inhabitants there. Yes, yes, when you could, you could, we
could spot you and talking to guys, and of course
on the sidelines Westwood One, UM doing the broadcast throughout
this season as well. UM, Mike Tomlins status on the
sidelines is now become in the question for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
We even played a bit from one of his former players,
James Harrison, and maybe not giving Mike Tomlin, uh the

(01:37:06):
credit he deserves, saying that he's the problem for the
I guess fall of the Steelers this year at eight
five and eight six and one and now possibly on
the outside looking in of the postseason? Is it all
on Mike Tomlin shoulders in Pittsburgh now, you know, I
mean if you look at the stability that they've had,
you know, in the coaching position in Pittsburgh, it's really

(01:37:26):
unprecedented three head coaches in the history of the franchise.
And Uh, while you could argue that, you know, Mike
Tomlin has made mistakes in the management of games and
that's why he's lost ten straight, you know, penalty challenges,
it's still I think hard for management to blame Tomlin
for failure when they're responsible along with the player for

(01:37:48):
you know, never getting Levian Bell on the field, missing
the entire season. You know, Tomlin has never had a
losing season in his twelve years. This does end up
being the termination of a four year streak in which
he had won at least ten games. Uh. And they've
lost more games at home three so far this season

(01:38:09):
than in any other single season under Tomlin. But that
being said, you know, they've they've lost an inordinate number
of games on the final series. You know, all eight
of the road games were decided by seven or fewer points,
and only two teams in history have had that happen
in every road game, and the Raiders. But I blame

(01:38:30):
that more on Chris Boswell missing field goals and Ben
Roethlisberger throwing an end zone interception to a defensive lineman
in Denver. You know, Juju Smith Schuster fumbling to the
final seconds last week in New Orleans. So no, I
don't think that. Uh. Ultimately, the head coach in this
case is most culpable, and I expect Mike Tomlin will
come back. You know, Mike Tomlin was always tagged with

(01:38:52):
Mike McCarthy incerns of the stability and success the Green
May Packers recently interviewed Jim Calwell and Chuck Bagano. What
do you make of those guys coming into interview before
the season is even over with Well, I think that's
one of the reasons that the Packers made the decision
to let Mike McCarthy go uh during the season with

(01:39:13):
a month or so to go. Um, you know, they
wanted to have the ability to go out and other
than the Browns, everybody has a coach. So if you're
interviewing people are contacting people as potential head coaches, you're
doing it behind the current head coaches back, and the
Packers did not want to do it that way. Uh.
You know, both of these people have had his success
as head coaches in the NFL called well sixty two

(01:39:37):
and fifty. He obviously, uh coached against Tony Dungee in
the Super Bowl in two thousand and nine. Um, so
he's had his share of success. And then I think,
you know, pretty much the same situation for Chuck Pagana
when he took over the Colts after being a very
successful defensive coordinator with the Ravens. So I think these

(01:39:58):
are just preliminary interviews green Bay getting the process started.
It probably indicates that, uh, there are gonna be a
large number of candidates that they interview, given that they've
already before the season's ended, interviewed to guys who have
formerly been head coaches before we look ahead the week
seventeen at Barder by the way, joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio, He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer in

(01:40:20):
for Doug Gottlieb today on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I
want your take on what happened in week sixteen, specifically
with Baker Mayfield and the Hugh Jackson stare Where do
you come down on it? Is it too much? Is
this just Baker being Baker? But your thoughts on the
stair down that happened this past weekend. Well, I was
I was critical of Baker Mayfield when he was at

(01:40:40):
Oklahoma and he refused to shake hands, you know, at
at the coin toss at Kansas State. He planted the
flag on the Ohio State UH midfield logo. UH, and
my my concern at the time was this is a
guy who should not be creating any more questions about
himself because he's already you know, a six foot guy

(01:41:02):
who's you know, people questioned his arm strangle. I don't
think there are really any questions anymore about Baker Mayfield
and whether he could play in the NFL. And and
this is just this is just him, I think, and
his charisma. Uh, this is the way he acts or
reacts when he feels, uh that somebody has personally offended
him in the way that Hugh Jackson did a Hugh

(01:41:24):
Jackson was fired and rightly so, for failing to win
in Cleveland, and almost immediately took a job with a
division rival that was gonna play Cleveland two more times
and took a job on the other side of the ball. Uh,
he'd be you know, he's helping the defense to the
detriment of offenses such as Cleveland's on game day and
in the planning of game plans that week. And then

(01:41:45):
he went on the uh uh you know, the talk
show circuit and defending himself as a head coach. He
mentioned that the reason he didn't win was he didn't
have good enough players. And so I think Baker and
a lot of other players took it personally and and
took it personally in his performance too. I mean in
the two games against the Bengals through two yards and

(01:42:06):
seven touchdowns, no interceptions and won both games. Uh. So
I didn't have a problem with what Baker did. Uh
And he explained himself honestly afterwards, just like he did
the first time. He obviously doesn't have a lot of
respect for Hugh Jackson and he decided to express that.
You know. And the only thing with that is we've
seen other players and quarterbacks, including a guy like a

(01:42:27):
Cam Newton um get criticized for their actions because we've
always held the quarterback position as one that your personality
should be presidential. Baker is running counterculture to that. Does
that mean we're now changing what we expect from our
quarterback or Baker Mayfield is just an outlier when it
comes to his actions and his behavior being a starting quarterback. Well,

(01:42:51):
I kind of, I kind of attributed to a couple
of things. Obviously, that's one of the personality traits that
he possesses, because we've seen it happen before at a
different of all before he got to the NFL. At
the same time, he's a young player, and I would
allow for the opportunity for him to grow and handle
these type of situations better uh in the future and

(01:43:12):
conform more with the NFL norm um. But this was
an unusual situation too. I mean, he is a rookie player.
He wasn't the starting quarterback of this particular head coach
when he was in Cleveland, UH, and he felt disrespected
by that head coach and decided UH to I guess,
honor his true feelings on the field in front of

(01:43:34):
the public and then explain his rationale honestly afterward. I
have a hard time as a reporter criticizing a player
for being honest in what he says. Now, that doesn't
mean I condone exactly the way he did things. It
would have been better, you know, had he been bigger
than the moment and just gone out and won the
game and shaken Hughes hand afterward. But he, I guess

(01:43:56):
felt that would be dishonest to him. He didn't want
to be a hypocrite. Edward are joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. Is Dax deal going to be done
in Dallas now that they've wrapped up the NFC East
and are heading to the postseason. Is Dak Prescott now
the quarterback long term for the Cowboys. Well, Jerry Jones
and Jason Garrett pretty consistently said that uh Dak Prescott

(01:44:19):
is their long term UH franchise quarterback and this will
be the first offseason where they can modify or extend
his rookie contract and pay him a wage more fair
and more in align with what he's accomplished on the field.
And I think they are willing, They will be willing
to do that. I think the level at which they're

(01:44:40):
willing to do that will still be determined or influenced
by what happens going forward from Week seventeen, what he
does in the playoffs. I mean, the only other time
he was in the playoffs, they got down big early,
came back and he you know, he went toe to
toe with Aaron Rodgers in a game that the Cowboys
ultimately lost. Um, but he show that he's up for

(01:45:00):
playoff football at the highest level. Are they going to
pay him, uh? You know what Matt Stafford makes or
what you know Aaron Rodgers makes? You know, probably not
because he can't. He's not in a position to walk,
you know, walk or force the franchise tag. They could
just not do anything and still have his contractual rights
for another full season. Um, but I would think that

(01:45:22):
they would pay him at a rate somewhere below Matt Ryan,
but you know, at two million, but higher than case
Keenum at fifteen million. That seems reasonable if you really
believe he's your guy. Wow, that's that's a lot of money.
I dig it. No, No, I'm actually a proponent of
them kind of paying him. And what I would like
to see in the league is kind of like a

(01:45:43):
correction at the quarterback position because they paid quarterbacks so
much money that I think is very, very hard and
challenging to build teams around him. I think Dak Prescott
could come in at a right number and still allow
the Cowboys to build. But in terms of building, I
want to talk about the Cowboys defense and a job
that Christoph Shard and Rotten Mary Nelly are doing. Are

(01:46:04):
you surprised to see this defense playing at this level
based on the personnel that they have in place? Well, Um,
not entirely, Bucky, because when the season began, I really
thought that, and I said at the time, this is
gonna be one of the few times in my mind
in the last two decades that the Cowboys defense is
better than his offense, and therefore this franchise to have

(01:46:27):
success this season is going to need the defense at
times to win games for them, and they've generally kept
the games close and low scoring, so the offense does
have an opportunity, you know, to to win a game.
Last week was really the first time I thought the
defense actually won a game in the manner of say
the Chicago Bears winning games. You know, they the Cowboys

(01:46:49):
only had one touchdown drive offensively, they had a seventy
five yard touchdown driving Dak Prescott scored on a on
a read option run. Uh Jalen Smith scored the other
touchdown off a Jami's Winston bumble from sixty nine yards out,
and at the time, the Cowboys were one of four
teams that had not scored a defensive touchdown. And then
there are other touchdown was a four yard drive that
was the result of Randy Gregory, you know, recovering another

(01:47:12):
Jameis Winston fumble. So really the defense won that game,
and I think the most impressive the signature game for
the Cowboys this year is beating New Orleans in Dallas
thirteen to ten, and one of the worst offensive performances
that Drew Brees and and Sean Payton have had, you know,
all their time together, and I think it's created a
blueprint of swords for other teams. I know Ron Rivera

(01:47:35):
applied some of the things he saw on that tape
into what they did the following week to hold you know,
the the Saints scoring down and allow them an opportunity
to win a game even though they didn't do it.
But yeah, christopher charge influence has been huge, and I
think one of the decisions Jerry Jones is gonna have
to make after this season is, especially if things go
poorly in the postseason as they generally generally have in

(01:47:57):
recent years. You know, do I want to risk losing
Chris Shard off my staff or do I want to
make him the head coach because he's gonna get interviews
elsewhere based on how well Dallas has done. The fact
that Rod Marinelli, who's been in the game as long
as he has, basically hand handed Christopher Shard play calling responsibilities. Uh,
and the fact that there aren't just a lot of

(01:48:17):
really great, you know, candidates out there to be head coaches.
So I think that's the big decision Jerry's gonna have
to make when he determines after this season, do I
want Jason Garrett back as my head coach? Find him
on Twitter at Edward or r f A and hear
him on the Doomsday Podcast, and you can hear him
every week here on Fox Sports Radio. Edward, Are we
appreciate it? Ed? Happy New Year? End in Joy Week seventeen.

(01:48:37):
Thanks guys, look forward to talking to me again in
twenty nineteen during the playoffs. All right, sounds good again,
Edward Adjoining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. We've got some points in the Big Apple.
All that and so much more as Isaac Loewen Cron
gives us the latest. Hello Isaac, Hello, Dan and Bucky.
The score at the Pinstripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium is

(01:48:59):
the you Nothing. The w four teen Wisconsin on top
of Miami by two touchdowns just three and a half
minutes into the game. Badger struck first on a thirty
five yard touchdown pass from Jack con to Kendrick Pryor,
and then Hurricane quarterback Malik Rosier had one intercepted by
Wisconsin's Eric Burrell. He returned thirty one yards down to

(01:49:21):
the Hurricane seven, and Jonathan Taylor took it in on
the next play from seven yards out Wisconsin fourteen Miami nothing,
three and a half minutes into the Pinstripe Bowl at
Yankee Stadium. Earlier, Duke destroyed Temple in the Independence Bowl
fifty six to twenty seven. Blue Devil QB Daniel Jones
thirty four three with five touchdown passes. Georgia senior quarnerback

(01:49:43):
DeAndre Baker, the fourp Award winners the nation's top dB,
has decided not to play in the Sugar Bowl against Texas,
according to Bulldogs head coach Kirby Smart. NFL Titans QB
Marcus Mariota returned to practice today after being held out yesterday.
With the Titans facing a winner, take all game against
the Colts on Sunday Night Football and finally an NFL

(01:50:04):
note that will make you WinCE. Today, the Jets placed
tight end Eric Tomlinson on andrew reserve. Rich Shimini reports
to Tomlinson dropped a weight on his foot in the
weight room yesterday after practice, lacerating two toes. He underwent surgery,
leading to him being placed on I R today. In

(01:50:26):
a related story, I once dropped a weight on my
foot in a weight room, but fortunately the weight was
so light it did not do any damage. Back to you, guys, Hi,
that's why I don't lift weights, you know, just don't
want to risk other injury. Thank you very much, Isaac.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is Fox Sports
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and a half minutes in Wisconsin's up on Miami fourteen
to nothing. And I know this is a very small
sample size bucket because it's not even five minutes in,
But this is the point us cold weather people from

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cold weather conferences have been screaming for and have been
talking about when it comes to the SEC and those
in the A c C that aren't in the the
cold weather taking out basically Boston College and Syracuse and
pit when you have to go to these places and
I gotta it's only it's only five minutes in, but

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Wisconsin's up early, and I know Miami's not playing with
their starting center and you had a a muff snap
a little while ago. But this isn't a game that
that teams want to play. And it's not that Wisconsin
is so in tune to playing in the cold. They
don't really play any games in the cold except at
the end of November. But it's just being in an
atmosphere that you're not familiar with. And so we're seeing

(01:51:53):
it play out in the pin stripe ball at Yankee Stadium. Yeah,
but it played out last year down in a South
Florida and when they beat them was an orange Yeah.
I mean, this is this is a rematch. I think
the thing with Wisconsin and Miami, and I guess the
perception of the Big Ten. When you look at Big
Ten football and you look at Ohio State and you

(01:52:15):
see the speed at Ohio State has and the way
that their skill guys run around, you still have these
old perceptions and stereotype of the Big Ten being a
slow conference, teams being slow and lumbering and those things.
And so the reason they don't necessarily get a break
when it comes to maybe some of the playoff bids

(01:52:37):
or kind of being in those marquee matchups. Is because
the perception is that, like they're a slow team, and
when you match them up against some of the other teams,
they're not going to quite stack up. Even though history
is shown Wisconsin is beating l s U. They beat
them up there, and I want to say in Green Bank, um,
they they've they've held their own. I still think sometimes

(01:52:57):
those perceptions and stereotypes are hard to get out of
people's I just think of it when you when you're
talking about and we talked about the schedule earlier, when
when the the SEC plays an eight game schedule, and
I believe that the the a SEC does as well,
when you've got other factors of not playing true road
games against nonconference opponents or playing in a situation and

(01:53:18):
again it's not like Wisconsin plays eight games a year
when it's twenty degrees. It's not the point. It's just
that everything always seemed to be on the sec S
turf for those that area of when you're playing I
mean Alabama when they play their nonconference games, it's to
Atlanta or Dallas or Jacksonville or New Orleans. I mean,
if there's I'm back. I'm sure you can donate a

(01:53:43):
couple of coins to Wisconsin and they can put Alabama
on the schedule if that's what you desire. I'm sure
they're going to cam Randall. I'm sure you can jump
around and time to do all that other stuff. Alabama
would love it, and the the sam Kinzie are technical producer. Uh,
it's got a little something for us as well. Oh
I was, Yeah, that had something. But didn't Wisconsin and

(01:54:03):
Alabama play a few years? Yeah? They did in that
nonconference game. Yeah, started out close, but then Alabama boat
raced Wisconsin and the last three quarters. I do want
to offer though, that the Hurricanes and the Badgers do
have a bit of a bowl history. They also played
in the two thousand nine Champ Sports Bowl, which Wisconsin
bested Miami fourteen. They do have a bit of a
bowl history. I think they also played in nine nine

(01:54:27):
in Miami. I think it was, Yeah, it was, it
was something something like that. I just remember it was
my my sister's freshman year at Wisconsin, so I remember that.
But the point being is to get a how many
people are saying, we got to get out of Miami
and go to the cold weather for the winter. It's
not happening. And Jonathan Taylor has run off a big run,
so Wisconsin is gonna be threatening to score again. That's

(01:54:49):
all we're saying is as cold weather teams come up. Hey,
in the Pact twelve teams don't want to go up
to the pollution in winter. They don't want to do
that in November. You saw what they had to play
of the Apple Cup. Just saying these teams, you go
and play just one game in the cold weather. See
how you like it. The only thing worse than Miami
having to be in the cold weather right now is
being down fourteen and maybe down another score soon enough.

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sitting in for Doug. Today. Miami breaks out the turnover

(01:56:13):
chain chain on an interception as Wisconsin was driving in
Hurricane territory. Doesn't have the same effects when you're down
fourteen to nothing, but consistent hurricanes have the ball back.
What is noted and I and this is unconfirmed, but
the Reddit college Football twitter account has tweeted that Miami

(01:56:34):
playing without starting center Tyler golf year today. He was
suspended for academic reasons, and someone posts that he graduated
up So I don't know how that works. I don't
know that's that's unconfirmed, but interesting that that that is
the case. Hurricanes, though I have other problems right now
down fourteen, but they've got a first and tent at

(01:56:56):
the eight yard line after the turnover. We've got some
good things happening with our good friend Isaac Lowan Karen
who brings us the latest the press. Hello Isaac, Hello
Dan and Bucky. And this story just came down during
the course of this show. DeAndre Baker. He's the senior

(01:57:16):
star standout cornerback for the Georgia Bulldogs and recently won
the Thorpe Award as the top defensive back in the nation. Well,
Bulldogs head coach Kirby Smart announced when the team arrived
in New Orleans to play the Sugar Bowl against Texas
that DeAndre Baker has elected to sit out the Sugar Bowl.
Of course he is gonna be now in preparation for

(01:57:39):
the NFL Draft. So DeAndre Baker, I'm good, No thanks,
Sugar Bowl. Not get in line with all the the
players who don't want to play, And I can't blame him,
not the not the first cornerback to do it, obviously
not the first player to do it. It's one of
the better non college football playoff matchups that we've got,
but Georgia will be limited in that back end. Yeah,

(01:58:01):
I mean, I mean it's not surprising now now when
you're you hear it, you don't flip out. You just
kind of expect. Top players were not playing the ball game.
Apparently some Miami players made that decision. There was a
big run by Malik ros Year to get him into
Wisconsin territory. They kind of saved the day. Uh. This Saturday,
Clemson taking on Notre Dame in the first semifinal of

(01:58:23):
the College Football Playoff, and earlier today, Tigers starting defensive
tackle Dexter Lawrence addressed the media for the first time
since he was declared ineligible for the College Football Playoff
because of a positive test for a banned substance. He
was actually given the option of not speaking to the
media today, but said he wanted to, and here's some
of his remarks. I'm not the type of guy to

(01:58:45):
do a selfish act like that. I have too much pride,
you know. I love this team in my family too
much to even think about pulling in the substance like
that in my body. I don't know where it came from.
I don't know how it got there. I was raised
different if I did do it, not to it, but
because I honestly don't know where it comes from. How
I got it is just there, and I mean there's

(01:59:07):
nothing not can really do about it now. One footnote,
there is still a chance he could be cleared. His
B sample was supposed to be tested and the results
were expected by Clemson today. No word yet though, on
the result of that. I think it's gonna be a
Sports Center special tonight at nine o'clock Eastern, Like they're

(01:59:27):
just gonna have it to be sample. Listen. If what
Putach said was true, that it was something from an
acne medication that would stink like that would be awful,
Like I know, but pimples, you know, or a boat
like when when you're when you're in college, you want

(01:59:49):
to look your best. To think that an acne medication
could have caused that, that would be unfortunate. For some reason,
I have more sympathy for Dexter Lawrence and the others
than I would have anybody in the National foot Ball League.
But if it's actne medication that would stink that that
that that would be like this hits close to home
for me because he played for my dad in high school.

(02:00:10):
And so when this news came down, first call I
made with the pops, what's going on? He's like, look,
Dex doesn't know what it is. So hopefully it'll get
clear clarified soon and hopefully have opportunity to play on Saturday.
Good news for fans of the Tennessee Titans. Marcus Mariotta
returned to practice today after not practicing yesterday. They officially
deemed him a limited participant in today's practice because of

(02:00:31):
neck and foot injuries. Of course, it'll be the Titans
and the Colts in Game two fifty six. The regular
season finale winner goes to the playoffs, Lizer goes home
on Sunday Night football. With a lot of the way
that the NFL schedule was playing out, I was wondering
if they were going to have a game that would
have enough riding on it that you would could put
in that primetime spot. This ends up working out. Not

(02:00:53):
that Marcus Mariota needs six more hours of rest, but
you can get a little bit more time you can
work treatment on it. Practice today a good sign that
Mariota is gonna be their Sunday good sign they need him.
You want to see the stars play in the biggest games.
I would love to see the matchup Andrew Love versus
Marcus Mariota win or go home in the NBA. Adrian

(02:01:14):
war Danowski and Brian win Horse report that the Los
Angeles Lakers are preparing for Lebron James to miss quote
several games unquote due to his left groin strain. The
Lakers are officially listing Lebron as day today. Looking at
their schedule over the next couple of weeks. They got
it back to back today and tomorrow. They play the
Clippers tomorrow in l A. They were in Sacramento tonight.

(02:01:34):
Then they've got the King's at home after that Clippers game,
and then after that on Wednesday they take on Oklahoma City.
I don't know if it's a week injury. I don't
know if it's two week injury. I'm not a doctor,
but I would be surprised if Lebron plays in the
next three with maybe that return coming against the Thunder
at the Absolute Suits. Whatever it is, I would tell
him to take his time. They need him for the

(02:01:55):
long call. They can get by in the short term.
They need to have Lebron it as best as they're
making their postseason run another NBA story, this incidentally first
broken by Adriano war Janowskio and Brianno wind Horstio of
La Republica in Rome. They were the ones who broke

(02:02:19):
the story that basketball Hall of Fame coach Larry Brown
is out as the head coach of the Italian club
Fiat Torino. The final score, it's the end of Brown's
thirteen career head coaching job for the seventy eight year
old coaching legend. So so are you telling me that
that team is gonna need an Italian sub There is

(02:02:41):
the press. If you swing enough, some of them go
out of the park. I'm telling you, Bucky, he's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio Miami. On the board, just a field goal.
The Wisconsin leads at fourteen to three Week seventeen. A

(02:03:04):
big one for one of the NFL's best. We'll tell
you why next. Glad to have you with Sierra Fox
Sports Radio, Week seventeen on the Horizon in the National
Football League. Before that to college football playoff games taking place.
They'll go down on Saturday. Some news from Miami today
is Kyler Murray is speaking again. The Oklahoma quarterback, the

(02:03:27):
Heisman Trophy winner who has a future of Major League baseball,
may have a future in the National Football League, Bucky,
this is a topic that that we've talked about throughout
the week, and Kyler Murray and major league baseball may
not be I don't know it's as much of a
foregone conclusion as we thought it would. I'll bring you
these comments from Kyler Murray today as they had a

(02:03:49):
media session in advance of their game against Alabama, saying, quote,
It's never bad to have options. But right now my
main focus is this game end quote that from Kyler
Murray and looking ahead to his future. You know, look,
this guy is an extraordinary football player. Won the Heisman Trophy.

(02:04:12):
He bested Baker Mayfield's passionate passing efficiency numbers at Oklahoma
in the same scheme that produced the number one overall
pick in this past year's draft. He is a legitimate
two sports standout drafted in the first round by the
Oakland Aids and MLB Draft, and based on my conversations
with scouts, he is a legitimate first round prospect as

(02:04:34):
a quarterback. Despite questions and concerns about his height, So
to me, it makes sense for him to dexplore every option.
And I know I'm going to hear from the baseball
crowd that he will make more money playing baseball. Potentially, yes,
but it's not a given. I know that based on
what he signed. He signed a deal in baseball for

(02:04:55):
four point six six million dollars if he is a
first round pick, even if he's the thirty second pick.
Lamar Jackson signed a deal They guaranteed him eight million dollars,
fully guaranteed on a four year deal with an option.
Cala Murray, if he's drafting anyone in the first round,
he's gonna get more upfront money in football than he
will in baseball. And based on the money that is

(02:05:18):
being paid out to quarterbacks, yes, he won't make an
a ride deal in terms of Alex Rodriguez half of
a quarter of a billion dollars. However, quarterbacks are making
well into one million dollar mark. They've surpassed one hundred
million dollar mark. When it comes to deer deals, he
certainly can make a lot of money playing for a

(02:05:39):
long time in the National Football League as a quarterback,
and with that fully guaranteed if you make into that
fifth year option, it's gonna be a nice chunk of
change as well, which would be double the probably what
he would make guaranteed, if not more than that, considering
the contracts that we've seen in the National Football League. Now,
what I'm wondering, and I think that this is a
part of it, Bucky, is the money is a great point.

(02:06:01):
You brought it up. Dougs brought it up on his
show here on Fox Sports Radio as well of talking about, yeah,
it's not a guarantee. There are a lot of guys
who just top prospects never make it to the big leagues,
and that money that you think that you're gonna make
and you're gonna sign a contract for, you know, millions
upon millions of dollars, may just not happen. I also
think that there's something out there of you can't do it,

(02:06:26):
and maybe it's and I'm not saying that would be
the only reason, but I tell you one thing, it's
sure as heck doesn't hurt when you want to prove
somebody wrong, when you've proved people wrong, when you came
from out of nowhere and all of a sudden win
the Heisman Trophy when you've filled the shoes of Baker
may feel admirably and they're still saying, I don't know
if he could do it. He's he's five six. I
think that there's something there. And he seems to love football,

(02:06:49):
if I mean when he was at Texas A and M.
You know, if if if you want to move on
you don't love football, maybe just don't play anymore, you know,
so annoying. Kyler um Kylar is an Elite eleven alum.
Elite eleven is a camp put on by Nike and
Student Sports where we have the top quarterbacks come participating
in a tition in a competition in the top eleven

(02:07:10):
are designated as the Elite eleven quarterbacks in the country.
Kyla was a participant in that, and I can tell
you what he did in high school was legendary. Forty
three and old. As a start at Alan High School
in Alan, which is right outside of Dallas, Texas, went
three straight state titles. He has only lost two games
ever like since being a growing up. He lost once

(02:07:32):
in three games as a starter at Texas and M,
and then he lost this year to Texas early in
the season. So this guy has the it factor. He's
a winner, he's a world class athlete, a guy that's
a two sports standout. He has a lot of attributes
that you certainly like. And I believe the reason he
just doesn't issue a flat out hey, I'm not playing

(02:07:54):
football is because, deep down inside, he wants to play football.
I think he is really a football player in his heart,
and I think he would like to have the opportunity
to play quarterback in the National Football If he doesn't
have this success, he's obviously not in this spot this season.
Let's just say Oklahoma goes nine and three or something
like that or eight and four, and they're not playing

(02:08:16):
in a college football playoff and he doesn't win the
Heisman Trophy. This is then I would assume a no
brainer in Major League to go to Major League Baseball.
Like I don't want to say everything had to go
is right away because it makes it sound like that
he didn't have any part of it. But if there
were different scenarios played out, most of those scenarios all

(02:08:37):
just pointed to baseball, and the one that you don't
account for of as I mentioned, taking over for Baker
Mayfield leading them to the College football Playoff beating Texas
in a big twelve titled game, winning the Heisman Trophy,
all of that, All of those things that we see
the NFL email US members of the media playoffs scenarios
for each week. But there's also of this team needs this, this,

(02:09:01):
and this to happen to get in. All of that
did happen with Kyler Murray. Like if you were to say,
like this is what he would need to get into
the NFL Draft, it would be all of those things
and they and they fell in. And that's why that's
why I think we are to this point. It's because
if it was any other scenario and you could take
other players and just put them in the position from
college football, none of them are in the shoes of
Kyler Murray. And this unique set of circumstances now has

(02:09:23):
him seriously considering the NFL. If they were eight and
four and he didn't win the Heisman, guess what better up?
Let's play ball in the spring. Well, absolutely, and I
think that that is it. And also understand from a
scouts vantage point, Cala Murray has to be so spectacular
in other areas to even allow a scout to get
past the size question. Five ten a hundred and nine pounds.

(02:09:45):
Some will say that the five ten is a generous listing,
but let's just say he's five nine and he has
to be so remarkable in other areas for you to
even think about ignoring the fact that he doesn't have
a prototypical of dimensions. Last year is a conversation that
sent around Baker Mayfield. People wondered, can you take a

(02:10:06):
six ft quarterback at number one? When I entered the
league my first year as a scout was two thousand
and one, it was the Michael Vick Drew Brees draft.
Drew Brees was drafted thirty two overall only because he
wasn't a prototypical size quarterback. And so the league has
changed to the point where now we're seeing guys who
may be deemed undersize get drafted in the first round.

(02:10:29):
With Baker Mayfield going number one, having the success that
he had in the same system, and Kylin Murray surpassing
those numbers, it all helps make his case that he
can be a legitimate quarterback in the national full ball.
Was there backlash then from the offense that Breech played
in the college. We have seen running shoot guys Andre
where David Klingler didn't pan out in the nation. Yeah,

(02:10:50):
because he played for Joe Tiller in a wide open
I can't call the running shoe, but are very spread
options emper due that we really hadn't seen like four
receivers all the time, throwing it all over the yard. Uh.
He had ridiculous numbers during that time. And the thing
about Drew Brees, Like Drew Brees was a national level
tennis player as a teenager, So when you have height deficiencies,

(02:11:15):
you typically have to have extraordinary attributes in other areas.
So his athleticism, even though he's not viewed as a
Michael Vick type, he was a really remarkable athlete. Baker
Mayfield was a little different because he's the first guy
that we would deem undersize who didn't have special stuff
in another area. He wasn't a spectacular runner, didn't run

(02:11:35):
fast at the combine, was a two time former walk on,
and so part of the issue that a lot of
scouts had was trying to get past the fact that
we had never really made special exceptions to a guy
that was undersized but didn't have a plus attributes outside
of like his accuracy. So that was a little different.
But now that he has going on and kind of

(02:11:57):
broken the barrier, you now a little more accepting of
a Kyla Murray, especially because you're able to look at
Baker Mayfield in that offense go to the league. I
look at Kyla Murray surpassed some of the things that
Baker Mayfield did in the offense. Naturally, I would like
to believe that, hey, he can go to the league
and do some other special stuff. I owe Buckey an apology,

(02:12:18):
and I probably owe scouts everywhere in apology because first
of all, I was taking Drew Brees and taking Andre
Rare and wearing David Klingler, who were early nineties it's
ten years after Drew Brees. But I also did one
of the faux pause. I just said running shoot like
everything was the running shoot, and that wasn't the case.
Like I mean, it was kind of it was kind
of running shooters, but regardless of what you called it,

(02:12:40):
it was different than any offense that we really saw
in college. So it was still you're trying to wreck
your brain over because think about all the conversations we
still here today even though it's an r chid discussion.
Oh he doesn't take snaps in the center. In the
National Football League, sent the snaps are from the shock. Yeah,
in college football, you want from shotgun. But the first

(02:13:01):
thing we talked about, I don't know, he doesn't take
snaps from under center, but no one takes snaps from
under center. So the game is involved to the point
where those things shouldn't be an issue. But even then,
it tells you that it's still an issue when we're
talking about it today. Imagine what Drew Brees had to
deal when when he was always in the shot. We
had we had Joe clad on one time on the

(02:13:22):
network and just started breaking down the differences of the
air raid offense of what Mike Leach would have at
Texas Tech with the quarterbacks there, and and what Jared
Goff was was playing under in cal and the differences.
And I would assume as a scout, you get so
annoyed in hearing everybody call everything in r P O.
Does that does that a little bit? It drives me

(02:13:46):
nuts as a high school coach when everything is called
an RPO run pass option when you're looking at like, no,
let's just play action. There's no run pass option on that.
But it became the buzzword last season with the Philadephia
Eagles run to the Super Bowl and then them winning

(02:14:06):
the Super Bowl, that everyone was fascinated by R P
O S. But some of the stuff just simple play action.
You're just faking and run. I think we should have called,
like Colorado the r R R O or Oklahoma the
run Run Run Option Nebraska and those wishbone teams. That's
all it is instead of r p OH, it's r
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of people talking today say the stuff that you would expect,
including Marty morning Wegg, the offense coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens,

(02:15:32):
and the Ravens just sent out a tweet, but talking
about Lamar Jackson. This is Marty morning Wegg, who you
talked about yesterday, was on the staff in Green Bay
when you were a player there. Marty morning Weggs worked
has worked with a lot of good quarterbacks. Morning Wegg
said this, I've been really fortunate. I've coached some of
the greatest quarterbacks to walk on Earth. Lamar Jackson is

(02:15:53):
Lamar Jackson. They're all different in that's great. Talking more
about how he believes that Lamar Jackson has long has
the talent for long term success with the style that
is unlike anything Marty Morty Wigs seen. Look um I
played for Marty Moorenwig. He was an offensive assistant at
Green Bay when I was there. We've continue to maintain

(02:16:15):
a relationship. Marty is one of the best in the
BIDS when it comes to dealing with quarterbacks. He is
um largely responsible for Michael Vick's comeback when he bounced
back in Philadelphia. Marty spent hours working with Michael Vick
before and after practice on his footwork. Really helped him
come back. UM as an NFL Comeback Player of the Year.

(02:16:38):
So he certainly has dealt with all kinds of quarterbacks,
and he's really dealt with athletic quarterbacks. And so what
he is able to do is able to look at
a quarterback and try and figure out a way to
give them the fundamentals and the footwork to allow them
to thrive. Lamar Jackson is Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson is
is a talent. Lamar Jackson is one of the more

(02:16:59):
explosive a makers that we've seen at the position. But
he is an unrefined passer. Doesn't mean that he can't pass.
It just means that he has some deficiencies that he
has to work on. The two areas where Lamar Jackson struggles.
He is not a great passer outside the numbers. He struggles.
When the ball is thrown outside the numbers to the

(02:17:20):
boundary to the right or to the left, the ball
just typically sells. Some of that is due to his footwork,
some of that is due to his mechanics just not
being together. He just doesn't throw the ball well outside
the other area where Lamar Jackson struggles and it's a
huge surprise too many. He is not a great passer
on the move. Lamar Jackson, despite his athleticism, he is

(02:17:43):
not an accurate passer when he's rolling outside on bootlegs
and naked passes and those things. He struggles consistently delivering
the ball within the strike zone. What he is effective
at is working from the pocket. He is actually at
his best when he throws from the pocket. The numbers
backed that up. When he's thrown from the pocket and

(02:18:04):
throwing balls two receivers that are running inside the numbers.
He is a high level quarterback. And so what the
Baltimore Ravens have done in recent weeks. If you look
at them, most of the routes that their receivers are
catching are in breaking routes or stationary routes, meaning in
breaking their running inside across the field, digs, crossing routes,

(02:18:24):
things that are running inside towards the middle of the field,
and stationary routes where they go to a depth, they stopped,
they turned, they put their jersey numbers to Lamar Jackson
and they're not on the move. Those are the routes
that he throws really well, that's what the Baltimore Ravens
have been doing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I
would think any quarterback throws better stationary than on the move.

(02:18:51):
Some but like the thing that we typically try and
peg with athletic quarterbacks, guys that are running, we try
to put them on the run because we think, oh
what that place to your skill set. We're going to
make them run and throw. Lamar Jackson doesn't throw on
the run, will Um. It just doesn't work for him.
There's some guys that are really good in the movement

(02:19:11):
passing game. Lamar Jackson is not a guy that is
great on the movement passing game. He is better when
he's able to set it from the pocket and deliver.
I think I also see when guys move out of
the pocket, it allows receivers to maybe break free, allows
guys to get lost and then you can make open plays.
And the reason I'm bringing this up is I think

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sometimes we think we're going overboard with Patrick Mahomes when
saying like, oh my gosh, the love affair with Patrick Mahomes.
But when you see the sidearm throws that he makes
against Seattle and getting Charckkendrick West, who is also moving
like West isn't stationary and you've got a linebacker on
your hip, like that stuff is extremely rare that we

(02:19:53):
can see and maybe we can't over a hype it
enough when Patrick Mahomes is making those types of plays. Um,
you know, I I'm right, Bucky just go ahead and
said like, I think, I think I think the reason
we're kind of wild by Patrick Mahomes is because he
does things that you're not supposed to do. You're not
supposed to throw no look passes on the football field.

(02:20:15):
That's a basketball deal. You're not supposed to roll to
your left and throw the ball all the way across
your body to your right and vice versas. He does
it so effortlessly that we're just not used to seeing
someone that gifted, that talented have that kind of success
doing those wild says This is how I this is

(02:20:36):
how I envision it. Okay, Patrick Mahomes, you're right handed, Okay,
run throwing left? Okay, Okay, Now run sidearm while you're
throwing you Okay. Now we're gonna have your target move
and try to do it like you keep on trying
to add the difficulty to it. Patrick Mahomes is going
to be the quarterback in Kansas City for a long time.
As for some other quarterbacks, and maybe Lamar Jackson in
Baltimore as well as for some other quarterbacks could be

(02:20:59):
a different story. Ray After week seventeen, it's time for
Brooks and done, Yes, Bucky, Bucky Brooks will tell us
what quarterbacks will be done as starters with their team.
After I've got one two, eight quarterbacks, eight teams, you
are going to tell us if they are done or
not with their team will start in the a f

(02:21:20):
C East. The name that was brought up earlier today
from Isaac Glowen Crown at the anchor desk, Ryan tanney
Hill with the Dolphins. Is he done as the Dolphins quarterback?
Starting quarterback in after So, I just popped on the
team store to see how Ryan Tannehill jerseys were going
and they're deeply discounted. Ryan Tannehill is no longer going

(02:21:46):
to be the Miami Dolphins quarterback. Okay, Ryan Tannehill has done.
What about one? Andy Dalton in Cincinnati done for the
year with an injury. But is he going to continue
to be the Bengals quarterback of the future. No, he's there.
He and Marvin Lewis and they're they're lifers. He so
he will be back in twenty and Marvin Lewis. Because

(02:22:07):
when you get Andy don you get Marvin Lewis. It's
kind of like a right, great, I got these teas
with my golf balls as well. It's it's more than
one balls done go anywhere, and the teas are a
half inch high. But hey, I got him. Uh. Blake
Bortles in the Jacksonville Jaguars done, he is done. He's
done and he just works there and he does but

(02:22:29):
not for long? All right? How about this one from
the a f C. A lot of a f C
to start off, Derek Carr in the Oakland Raiders. That's
a juicy one. That's a juice one. I was ready
to say the violin three weeks ago out of said
Derek Carr has done, but he's played better the Raiders
of one. I think he stays. He's a Brooks gonna

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put a note a note by that one Brooks and
done here on Fox Sports Radio, Bucky Brooks telling you
what quarterbacks are done with their teams after Week seventeen.
Case Keenum in the Denver Bronco signed that short and
two year deal last off season, so he'd be halfway
through hease Keenum? Is he done? Is the Broncos starter?

(02:23:13):
I think he's done. I would expect to see a
quarterback now we'll probably talking about field issues there. Okay,
all right, now let's jump to the NFC. Some quarterback
situations that are up in the air, including with the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Jamis Winston does have a fifth year option.
If he was released, it would be no penalty to
Tampa Bay, or hardly any penalty. Is Jamis Winston back

(02:23:36):
as the Bucketeers quarterback? Or is he done? I think
he played well enough the final half of the season
to earn a reprieve. I think he gets one more
year in Tampa. What about in Washington? And I know
that there are other factors, but Alex Smith, with that
leg injury. Some feel his career threatening signed that four

(02:23:56):
year deal with the team. Is Alex Smith done with
the Redskins? I think he's I think Alex Maurf is
still there. And finally Eli Manning and the Giants man
he should be done, but he won't be done because
the general manager loves him. Eli man It will get
one more shot to proved that he can't play there.

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It is Brooks and done for today on Fox Sports Radio.
There are actually a lot more. So Joe Flacco is
the guy that I expect to be the quarterback in
Denver next year. Really, why is that? I mean, obviously
the Ravens are going to go to the Lamar Jackson route,
But why would Joe Flacco be a fit in Denver?

(02:24:38):
Because John Elway just loves old quarterbacks. No, Gary Kubiak
is right up on the deer and Joe Flacco's best
years under Gary Kubiak. Uh, maybe they see him as
a legitimate option. The only other place where I would
think that it might work send him to New York
with the New York I think he's a Jersey I
think he's a Jersey guy. I think he's from I

(02:25:00):
think you were working What did he did? You start
out at pitt and go to Delaware? Was that the Yeah?
I think work out for him. I think we work
out well. I think he'd be a good fit office.
He's Bucky Brooks. That was Brooks and done. I'm Dan Buyer.
The Pin Stripe Bowl is nearing halftime, the Independence Bowl
is in the books, and there's even another Bowl game tonight.
For more on that and so much more, we go

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to our good friend, Isaac Lowenkron with the latest. Hello Isaac, Hello,
Dan and Bucky. Wisconsin jumped out to a fourteen to
nothing lead over Miami just three and a half minutes
into the Pin Stripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium, but has
not scored since Miami a field goal, so at the
two oh five mark of the second quarter, it's Wisconsin
fourteen Miami three. Earlier, Duke Trounce Temple in the Independence

(02:25:45):
Bowl fifty seven Blue Devil quarterback Daniel Jones thirty three
with five touchdown passes off the field. Georgia senior cornerback
DeAndre Baker, the Thorpe Award winner as the nation's top
defensive back, has elected to drastically cut down on his
Sugar Intake. Baker has decided not to play in the

(02:26:07):
Sugar Bowl against Texas. According the Bulldogs head coach Kirby Smart,
he's expected to begin focusing on the NFL draft. Guys,
will have a really funny college football item for you
in just a bit, but want to mention in the NFL.
Titans quarterback Marcus Mariotta returned to practice today after being
held out yesterday due to neck and foot injuries. The Titans,
of course, taking on the Colts in the regular season

(02:26:28):
finale on Sunday night. Whiter goes to the playoffs, loser
goes home. And finally, guys, one other college football item.
It was Orange Bowl media today and Jeff Calb of
Fox Tree in tuls Up was asking Alabama defensive lineman
Quinnin Williams about Oklahoma quarterback Kyler Murray. Now, listen to

(02:26:49):
this very closely. It seems like Williams is about to
make some sort of critical, disparaging remark about Kyler Murray,
something like, hey, he's not that great, ETCeteras cetera, and
then in mid sentence realized what he was about to say.
Maybe also remember that Nick Saban was his head coach
and well, listen, it's a pretty priceless piece of audio.

(02:27:10):
Have you gone up against any quarterback that slightly resembles
Kyler Murray? Oh? Now, I feel like a quarterback. So
I reserved Calamar. But I feel like Calamar is not
Uh were I? In a related story, Quinn and Williams

(02:27:35):
is gonna make a wonderful husband someday? He I was
gonna say. First of all, he answered it like a
beauty pageant question when they say, you know, miss Colorado,
what is the most important thing that can be done
for the environment? And then they say, well, the most
important thing that can be done for the environment, Bob.

(02:27:56):
He repeated the whole question, thought it out, and then yeah,
put on the brakes for that. Do you think it
was saving or do you think it's like NFL scouts
are gonna hear me talk about him scout? That was
that was Nick saving. That was all what it was.
Oh no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to

(02:28:16):
say that. Oh that was that was good stuff. That
did he end up with? NOA, I'm good, Yes, I'm good.
Uh so great? Uh so great? Thank you very much,
I said Keith Brooks. I've dan Fox Sports Radio reaches
on Twitter. I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. He can
get Bucky at Bucky Brooks, you fucking have. I and

(02:28:40):
I have had these conversations throughout this week, and I
know that it makes it seem like I am a
Lebron hater, which is far from the truth. There's no Listen,
it's not the case. It's not the case at all.
I feel like I'm I'm really in the middle of
the road with Lebron. I did pull for him to

(02:29:01):
get the championship in Cleveland. That was a Cleveland sort
of thing. I if I had to pick a team
to root for in the NBA Finals over the last
four years, it was the Cavaliers every time I rooted
for them over the Golden State Warriors. If I really
had a rooting interest. But today, and I don't want to,
I don't want this to be diminished, but I think

(02:29:21):
it's in an important discussion. Lebron James was named the
Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year for and the
reason behind it is this is that this was his
most significant year because of the school that he opened

(02:29:41):
up in Akron, Ohio. And I give Lebron James all
the credit in the world for opening up that school.
I think it's an amazing an amazing thing to do.
But that should way in to who the Associated Press
Male Athlete of the Year is for it's it has

(02:30:04):
nothing to do with Lebron James being an athlete. Lebron
James is one of the biggest athletes in the entire world.
His means of helping out Bucky are vast, but that
shouldn't overshadow, say another candidate, someone who took second place
in the voting, Mookie Betts of the Boston Red Sox.

(02:30:25):
Mookie Betts was the American League's Most Valuable Player, received
twenty eight out of thirty first place votes. His team
won a World championship. One of the great things Mookie
Betts does is raise money through charity because he loves bowling,
so a lot of bowling events. There was also a
story about Mookie Betts delivering meals to the homeless after

(02:30:46):
a game to win in the World Series. And the
point being is we want to honor Lebron and this
is the third time that Lebron has been named the
AP Male Athlete of the previous two times word years
where he won NBA title. Not only did Lebron not
win an NBA title this past year. He wasn't even
the m v P of the league, which was James Harden.

(02:31:06):
And so when Kevin Durant comes out and says, they're
all these fanboys of Lebron James, this is another point
to it. The Associated Press. Members of the Associated Press
voted on this and gave it a war, gave him
an award for as great as it was, had nothing
to do with anything that was done within the lines
of the field of play. And I think that is

(02:31:27):
why we hear some of the the backlash on Lebron.
Whether he does good or he does bad, there's always
something polarizing about him. But here's another perfect example of
Lebron wins an award when it really didn't back up
of why he should win the I think Lebron Lebron
almost averaged a trumple double in the finals last year.

(02:31:47):
Didn't he single handedly carryous squad he was in the
finals they swept the Toronto Raps, the Toronto Wraps, the
number one seed. Well they but but he wasn't even
the m v P of the league. Like this bit
of a popularity thing too though, right Patrick Mahomes was

(02:32:08):
fourth in this. Okay, Alexander Ovechkin was third. I find
it amazing that Brooks keptco who won two majors this
year in Gulf. If Tiger Woods had won those two majors, guests,
who the Associated Press male athlete is, It's Tiger Woods
and that's that's what it is. This is so this

(02:32:29):
is the popularity contest that then may get others mad
or you may have people scratching their heads and wondering
this is a joke. I am. It is amazing that
Lebron opened up in school. In fact, if you want
to do sports Person of the Year and why Sports
Illustrated gave it to the entire Warriors team, I think
is ridiculous. But if you're gonna talk about male athletes

(02:32:49):
and what they do within the lines, then that's fine.
But to use this and say that Lebron Lebron is
more means than any of the other people who were
even close to do what he did, and I just think,
I just think it's a bad I don't want to
say a bad precedent. I just think it's a not
a great look. Okay, here's my thing with Lebron. Lebron
had career highs and assists, m HM, rebounds second most,

(02:33:21):
third most minutes played man games last year played, I
mean twenty seven points a game, not point one, number
one assist, eight point six rebounds. When everybody votes for
the m v P, everybody knew all that information and
nobody voted him, or like, shouldn't say nobody voting from

(02:33:42):
James Harden had the most votes, and we're just talking
about his little world of basketball, Okay, So are we
always going to say that they vote on the m
v P based on the most valuable player or based
on what's kind of hot? Because Steve Nash won two
m vps over Shack. Fair enough, it's Steve Nash, No, no,

(02:34:04):
Shack is Shack. Yeah, Kobe only one one m v
P to wing his career, And I mean, I'm just
I'm just saying, like, I mean, it's not it's not
always the biggest indicator of his standing in the league.
But if you were to take if you were to
take someone like Mookie Betts, who one an m v
P in a landslide in his league twenty and out

(02:34:26):
of thirty first place votes and also had his team
win the World Series like that, that to me is
and this is a vote like Mookie betts Is is
probably the guy. And if it's not Mookie Betts, is
there a better championship story than Alexander Vetchkin. And as
you mentioned with Brooks, Kepco didn't even make the top five.
By the way, Justify the Horse came in five. Okay,

(02:34:47):
So so that that tells you something. I mean it
also it also tells you, like what the public really
cares about, like those sports like I like hockey, but
I don't think he's gonna be on the front page
fair enough. And then when it comes to like baseball,
like I think most wouldn't view as a baseball player,

(02:35:12):
but most wouldn't view baseball players is maybe the most no.
But I think there's enough traction of throughout throughout sports
where if you were to put a baseball player, like
like if Justified one. And I don't know the history
the horse, the horse that won the Triple Crown, didn't

(02:35:33):
didn't win Athlete of the Year. I'm not sure for
that last year, the eight years ago here I could
I can tell you who it is now just bringing
it up. The AP Athlete of the Year last year
was Jose l Twove. So there's your baseball was Athlete
of the Year. Yes, according to the Associated Press, And
so yeah, Lebron won it after winning that championship, which

(02:35:57):
was a really big deal. He also won it after
winning a championship. Point being in baseball, by the way,
Madison Bumgunner also won it. There hasn't been a football
player to win it since Aaron Rodgers did in the
point being is you can have baseball if Tiger Woods,
who won the war, if he ended up winning it,

(02:36:18):
If if Tiger Woods would have won the two majors
that brooks Kepta ended up winning, Tiger Woods would have won.
And that's that's the that's the point of that's the
image that this is supposed to be the male Athlete
of the Year and actual AP sports writers are voting
for it. This lends to the to the argument that
Kevin Durant makes of all Lebrons fanboys in the media.
Ken Yeah, but but his point is is true and

(02:36:42):
it's represented here that there are guys who had better
sports years in terms of accomplishments, yet Lebron, who has
his means also allow him to have the most reach.
That's what puts him over the top. Just I don't
care about the ap Male Athlete and Female Athlete of
the Year, but it does back up what Kevin Durant

(02:37:04):
has said. It's it's a joke. Feel bad for Mookie Bets,
Alexander of Edgkin, Brooks KEPCA guys who actually really had
great but aren't being recognized for it. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. We have to dive into Week seventeen.
It's obviously a must win situation for the Titans and

(02:37:25):
the Colts, but who really really needs to win? Coming
up on Sunday. We'll tell you next year on Fox
Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is
Fox Sports Radio. By the way, Matt Patricia, when asked
about his tardiness or punctuality if you will, said fluidity
is the best answer on why when asked on why
he's been late to press conferences or press availabilities, also

(02:37:48):
with an anonymous player saying that Patricia has been late
to team meetings for the players as is that every
is that common in the National Football League coaches being
late for their own meetings. Uh it's I mean, it's
not common, but I guess it happens sometimes. I think, um,

(02:38:10):
I haven't played for coach Coughlin. Coach Coughlin had a rule,
the five minute early rule, so if the show was
the start at four o'clock, you were late if you
weren't in your seat at three fifty five. And as
a young player, I still always say, well, why don't
you just started meeting at three five? But he would

(02:38:30):
he would say the meetings at four o'clock, but we
were starting the meeting at three fifty. If if you're
earlier on time, if you're on time, you're late. If
you're late, you're gone. Right, Yeah, that was that was
always his deal. So, Patricia, I think it may speak
to UM a lack of organization, just trying to do
too much, not having everything in order. And I think

(02:38:50):
the thing with coaches, he's making it so hard on
himself because he's been so I don't know what the
media is so contentious. I just don't understand why I
can't just get along well calling out the reporter for
his lack of posture, and then yeah, being there's there's

(02:39:11):
I know, like I get trying to set a culture
and trying to do your thing, but you also have
to have some some clouds and some if you will,
And I'm not sure that that's there in Detroit, by
the way, Lions and Packers playing a completely meaningless game
coming up on Sunday. How do I know that? Well, A,
I have to know it for my job. Draft order

(02:39:32):
is probably the only thing at stake, and be I
know it when tickets are on sale from my family
members who don't want to go and sit a meaningless
game at lambeau Field, back and back in the home
state of Wisconsin. But there are games that means something
specifically Titans Colts, We've talked about that matchup, but there's
other big games. The Baltimore Ravens need to win against

(02:39:52):
the Cleveland Browns. They win, they clinched the division. They're
gonna get a first round home playoff game. If they
lose and the Steelers end up beating the Cincinnati Bengals,
then the Ravens on the outside looking in. Is history
going to repeat itself? Baltimore last year had an opportunity
at home to wrap up a playoff birth and were
burned by Andy Dalton and the Bengals. Are they going

(02:40:14):
to get it done Sunday against the Cleveland Browns. I
think they get it done. I think they learned from
last year's misstep. UM. A lot of pressure on them
playing this game because of what is at stake and
playing at home and all those things. But I think
the way that they're built their defense, UM, and even
though they lost to Cleveland early year in overtime, the

(02:40:34):
X factor with Lamar Jackson, and I know that Greg
Williams is gonna load it up, but the Browns have
traditionally not stopped to run well. UM, the way that
Baltimore Ravens play, they really test your metal. We will
see how tough that Cleveland Brown's team is. I think
eventually in the fourth quarter they wear down and the
Baltimore Ravens kind of run to a win. I think
that loss to Cleveland helps. Think if you went to

(02:40:55):
Cleveland and one twenty one, nothing like they did against
the Titans or whatever that final earlier this year, you're
thinking odds Cleveland bronze. But losing I think grabs your
attention fair enough. Uh it does. I mean, I think
they have their attention because they've been winning, but certainly
it grabs their attention, but also think that they have
been playing these playoff like games for a while and

(02:41:16):
I think they understand the urgency that is needed. And
this is a team that is battle tested. They had
to come out to l A and get a win
against the Charges to make sure they were still in
the thick of it. They were able to do that.
So going back home and playing against the Browns with
all of the stuff that comes along, we're playing the Browns,
I think they'll be ready. And even though Baker Mayfield

(02:41:37):
would like nothing more than to end the Ravens season,
I think they'll be up for the challenge. I think
this would be a fantastic game to watch, but I
just expect the Ravens to come out on top Bears
Vikings at Eastern time on Sunday. Minnesota with the win
would wrap up the final playoff birth in the NFC.
If they lose in the Eagles win, then Philadelphia goes

(02:41:58):
to the postseason. This is also could be a preview
of a first round playoff game, So almost if you're Chicago,
do you show a lot? Do you try to show
some things to get Minnesota focused? If they end up
still winning the ball game. An intriguing matchup where Chicago
does have an outside chance at getting the second seed,
but the Rams would have to lose. Bears and Vikings
in Minnesota coming up on Sunday. A lot of pressure

(02:42:21):
on Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins, this is what they paid
him the big check for. They paid him to big
check because he is supposed to be an upgrade over
case Keenum. He has never really performed well in these
games like this prime time games. He hasn't performed well
in games. There were kind of one and done games.
A couple of years ago with the Washington Reskins, they
lost to the Giants in a game where they just
needed to win to get into the playoffs. So all

(02:42:43):
odds will be on Captain Kirk. Can he get it done.
I like what the new offensive coordinated stepmon Kevin Stefanski
has done, more under center, more play action. If they
just play their game, I think they get a good
win against the Bears and then they have to turn
around and play him again and walk over weekend. Yes,
in that game would be the wild card game would
be in Chicago, this game taking parts in the Twin Cities.

(02:43:05):
There's a lot of different seating and stuff up for
grabs as well. But really, when it comes down to it,
it's the outcome of those three games, in addition to
the Titans and Colts matchup, that are really going to
set the playoff field, which I told you you could
tell me NH you know, Stanley Cup playoffs, baseball's postseason
in October. I love the NFL playoffs. They probably don't
get as much hype as they should know they don't

(02:43:27):
get I mean, it's the best, it's it's absolutely it's. Yeah,
the the one game aspect of it as well. You're
gonna be doing some early morning work tomorrow nine o'clock
time on the Dan Patrick Show. I'll be back with
you here on the Doug Gottlieb Show tomorrow at three
o'clock Eastern time. Rob Parker, Jonas Knox next here on
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