January 21, 2019 • 43 mins
Doug breaks down Championship Sunday and explains why Tom Brady proved once again he’s greatest ever even though he’s not the most talented. Doug also talks to Super Bowl Champion Trent Dilfer to find out how the Patriots defense shut down the Chiefs offense for a majority of the game. Plus, NFL on FOX rules expert Mike Pereira joins the show to discuss the controversial finish to the NFC Championship game between the Rams and Saints.
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in the Super Bowl and remarkably in the Super Bowl
against Tom Brady. Life comes full circle. We will get
to the blown call in the Saints scheme or the
Rams game, depending on which side of the docket you're on.
Um so we will get to that momentarily. Couple of
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nuggets you need to know first. You can join the
Doug Gottlip Show in two days This Wednesday, will broadcast
live from the Farmers Insurance Open at Tory Pines in
San Diego. Secondly, I would like to change my vote.
I would like to change my vote. I have previously
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stated to you on this show, on other shows, on television,
on radio, on our various digital platforms, at this network
and at other networks, that I believe Aaron Rodgers is
the best quarterback I've ever seen play the position. That's
because Aaron Rodgers checks every box, every box, arm, strength, accuracy,
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mobility in and out of the pocket, and not just
to run for the first down, but also just to
move inside the pocket and extend the pocket. He's tough,
he shown himself to be clutched. He's come from behind,
He's won the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers checks every box.
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Tom Brady does not. He's not particularly mobile, he's alarming
lye unathletic, and uh though he throws a great ball,
let's not act like even though he, like Aaron Rodgers,
plays in bad weather. He has the best arm, nor
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has he ever had the best arm in football. But
something happened when I was watching that overtime drive and
several of the other fourth quarter drives, I realized that's
actually what makes them great. Because Tom Brady did not
play perfect football yesterday through a terror of interception the
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first half, which could have if he threw it in
the Listen, the Chiefs luckily read the play and at
a defensive lineman dropped back and make an interception. But
if the ball was placed in the right spot where
only Rob Gronkowski could catch it, the Patriots and they're
ridiculously good game plan, would have been up fourteen nothing
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early on. He did not play a perfect football game,
did not through a couple of interceptions, could have had
a third interception if not for DeFord lining up in
the neutral zone. But again, that's part of what makes
him great because with all of those arguments, and they
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are in fact true, He's not a good athlete. He's
not particularly mobile, he's never grown thrown the best football.
He just hasn't. And he didn't play perfect yesterday. Did
anyone stop to realize he's forty one years old, forty
one years old. Anybody here been forty one years old?
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This guy has Do you know what's the same when
you're forty one years old? Pretty much nothing works like
it used to. It just doesn't. All right. We do
this with cars all the time. We have a fascination
with classic cars. Classic cars are great. I own a
nineteen seventy v DA bus, you know what, I'm trying
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to sell my nineteen seventy v DA bus because things
break all the time on it. And even though people go, man,
that must be cool to own, and it is. It's fun,
it's also kind of a pain in the ass. My
body is the exact same way. Well, I can still
do most of the stuff I used to do in
my brain works at a much higher level because I
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have so many more experiences than I had when I
was twenty one years old. Yeah, but this guy is
playing in super Bowls when most NFL players are searching
for their second or third opportunity post career. He's in
his ninth Super Bowl. The average NFL career lasts four years.
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Nine years of playing football is a hell of a run.
Nine super Bowls is unfathomable. And to win a game
on the road in the cold, the NFC Championship game
against the remarkable offense and an underrated defensive line, just
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be honest, that's a great defensive line when healthy. I
know Chris Jones got hurt late, and to do so
at forty one years old, even with the flaws, even
with the mistakes, only makes the point better. In lay
a blind in basketball. One team's duncan, the other team's
laying it up, one team's passing and cutting, and one
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team is show boat. That's a difference in the Patriots,
who are laying it up and the Chiefs. The Chiefs
have ridiculous talent. Ridiculous talent. D Ford, Justin Houston, Chris Jones,
Eric Berry. Okay, they got some names on that defensive
side of the ball. On offense, Sammy Watkins, Tyreek Hill,
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Pat Mahomes like that, Travis Kelsey, They got dudes. And
if you're gonna line up and pick a team, you're like,
I want the one wearing red, not the one wearing white,
because those guys look old. But you know what, Passing, pivoting,
cutting still works, Laying it up still counts for two points.
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And running the football in the first half and play
actioning and reading the defense and breaking it down in
the second half and into overtime just works. He didn't
play perfect. You can pick apart everything, but did anyone
stop to realize, Hey, forty one years old and he's
going to the Silver Bowl for the night time, So
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I want to change my vote. And here's the thing.
We live in some weird parallel universe where where we
think it's like elections. Once you put your ballot in,
you can't get it out. But you know what I
did last night? Yesterday, I had an incredible day. Okay,
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I had the worst possible travel experience going to Wisconsin,
and I love Wisconsin. Was born there. I watched the
Badgers beat Michigan, called the game on Compass Media Networks
terrible travel. Finally getting back close to midnight to my
house and I coached four a U games that my
son played in. Then we watched the Rams game. Then
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he had or in the middle of the RAMS game,
he at an NJB game, which is like an advanced
wreck level game. Then he came back, watched the end
and overtime of the Rams game, and then we watched
the Patriots game, and then we watched the overtime again
just so I could tell my son, I want you
to watch this because that's the greatest quarterback you've ever seen.
And then we watched Hoosiers, and do you know the
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best scene. There's a great a lot of great scene
some Hoosiers, but the best scene is in the entire movie.
Is not the all make it or the don't get
caught watching the paint Dry Boys. The best scene is
the town is going to vote, right, and they bring
in the coach, Norman Dale, to vote on whether or
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not they want to keep him or fire him, and
they take a vote, and then him watched Jimmy Chitwood,
who is the high school star that to that point
has refused to play basketball, and he says, I got
something to say. I think it's time for me to
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start playing ball. One more thing. If coach days, I play,
If he goes, I go. And you know what happened
at that very moment, Ramos, do you wear what happened
at that very moment. I'm assuming they kept the coach. No,
they yes, they did. They took a revote because they
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had new information. Okay, I'm gonna tell you I was
not wrong. Aaron Rodgers does check every box, but I
got new information. I've seen Tom Brady lead a team
back from three down against the Atlanta Falcons. I've seen
Tom Brady lose the game last year, and in the
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Super Bowl he did fumble down five points. He did
misread the defense. It was his mistake, but his team
against the Eagles defense didn't punt on that day, and
I just saw Tom Brady lead a team who doesn't
have a star wide receiver, who star tight end. Frankly
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runs a lot like Tom Brady, just not exactly a compliment.
Julian Edelman, off both the p E D suspension and
a torn a c L becomes his primary threat. Rex
Burkhead became his primary running back, although Sony Michelle is
that is the star talent, but Rex Birkhead was the
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primary target as a as a running back. They used
a fullback, which is like a dinosaur in the National
Football League. And at forty one years old, he's going
to the Super Bowl for the ninth time. Like a revote,
and on my ballot, I will put Tom Brady as
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the greatest quarterback I've ever seen, because being quarterback isn't
about foot speed or foot movement or arm strength. It's about,
more often than not, does your team achieve or overachieve
their potential? Do they win games where other quarterbacks would lose?
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And the answer for Brady is yes, more than anyone
else I've ever seen play the position, and he just
did it at forty one years old. If you can't
appreciate that, then you probably shouldn't watch sports, you should
probably decide who wins games based upon layup lines, not
what actually occurs on the field, on the court, or
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on the pitch. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays in noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
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He's a quarterback guru who's a savant and you can
fall him on Twitter at dil first times and is
also apparently the new head coach at Lipscomb Academy in Nashville.
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I saw this last week. Um, I want to get
to your breakdown of the game teams, but congratulations are
in order. Why coach high school football? Thanks Don Well,
It's a great question. I never thought I would, but
I'm not at that stage of life where I'm reflective.
I've had an incredible career in the NFL and then
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a good one in broadcasting and was looking for something
more calling driven than career driven, more purpose and significance driven.
And I can't think of a better job than to
positively influence and impact young people through the vehicle football.
And you know you've been around all your whole life.
There's just something special about that age group and teaching
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them a lot about life and what's to come through
the vehicle of the sport they love. And uh, it's
an unbelievable academy institution with great people in the struggling
football program. So it's going to be a challenge and
one that I kind of needed this stage of my life.
My life got a little too comfortable and and uh,
I think from the outside you could say, oh man,
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he's got everything we ever want. But inside, I wanted
that uncomfortable nous. I wanted that edge. I wanted that challenge,
that hild A climb, and and this gives me that opportunity.
And I'm fired up about it. Trying to deal for
joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Um okay, let's let's start with Let's start with the
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Patriots game. Um first, what did the Patriots do to
suddenly have a defense that could slow down and really
stop the Kancity Chiefs? What they do well? Obviously, it
starts with player development. They and I'm sure everybody that
today is talking about how players they didn't know much
about early in the year are now making an impact
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in the game. So there's just that development of the player,
both from a physical standpoint, but from an intellectual standpoint too.
But my big answers be they beat you intellectually, they
beat you with sophistication, They get in your mind. It's
almost as if Bill Belichick and his defensive staff, we
don't give his staff enough credit. We always give build
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all the credit for his staff said, Okay, what's Andy
Reid do on his first fifteen scripts? And okay, here's
what he typically likes to do. Well, let's make sure
that we build a defense that is gonna take away
what he usually tries to establish in his first fifteen.
So if you notice through the course of this season,
in Andy's first fifteen, you're gonna see Tyreek Hill with a
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a couple of different ways. You're gonna see m his
emotion guy in the backfield, You're gonna see him in
the slot, and you're gonna see him on the perimeter
with some type of shot play. Well, in all those instances,
they tried to do that yesterday and Andy Reid had
some type of bracket on him with a mug on
Kelsey Kelsey, because they build their offense kind of a
one to Hill Kelsey combination. They dared them to be
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patient running the ball early in the game, and they
weren't able to do that. So it's almost as they
got in their head and intellectually built a scheme that
could give them time to work into the game offensively. Uh,
you know, let Tom Brady and off it's work into
the game. So you know, again again that scheme broke
down in the second half. The Chiefs, once they were
able to figure it out, had a lot of success.
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But what Bill gets is, we're gonna get the ball first.
We're gonna trust, we're gonna execute a high level. They're
gonna sit over there on the sidelines for what is
really being what was really fifty plus minutes from the
time they ended warmups for the two till the first
time they touched the ball, and then once they jump
on the field, we're gonna frustrate them because we're not
gonna allow them to accomplish in their first fifteen what
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they normally accomplish. Doug gotlap shoot here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
here's what I said about Brady, Like, look, I don't
think he played the perfect game, threw a bad pick
in the first half, and they should have been up
fourteen nothing. He threw a pick in the second half
which Edelman technically had his hands on, but it was
a bit late, it was a bit hot, it was
a bit high. Is that is that fair? In that
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that second in reception, it's a bad throw first throw.
So so he throws two picks and and could have
thrown a third pick obviously that one. The third one
probably wasn't his fault that went through grons hands. But
again a bit hot, bit high, but hard um. But
it throws two what could have been three picks. On
the other hand, he's forty one years old, and he
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was able without really the talent outside the numbers of
a true number one wide receiver to march up and
down the field in what's called competitive greatness right when
it's called upon at the most important times. As as
a former quarterback and a guy who's a savant and
breaking it down much like Romo is breaking it down
during the game. What did you see that impressed you?
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I want to get back to the Romo thing too,
because it's really important. He's in a short amount of
time become an elite broadcaster, absolutely elite. But I think
you're defined ultimately as an athlete by what you do
in critical moments. I think there's a lot of really
good athletes that are good in the first, second, and
third quarter. They're good when it's easy. Um, they're good
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when everything's going their way, and we celebrate those and
we're a highlight educated sports audience where we see them
do cool things, but there's no context to when they
do it. And the great one, the truly truly great ones,
the Michael Jordan's, the Tom Brady's, whoever you want to
put that list. Um, they do it when everything's against them.
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They do it when they're not playing good up to
that point. They do it when they shouldn't have the confidence.
They do it when you go, oh, he's done this
a hundred times, he should do it even though there's
no way he can do it this time. And that's
what Tom Brady did. He did not put it now.
He did a lot of good things and tough conditions,
but he did. You know, those two interceptions were very bad.
It's very bad interceptions. But his level of execution, his
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level of exactness when it was needed the most in
the hardest conditions, UH is really to me what I'll
remember forever. The one, the one cut away that I'll
remember forever is when Kansas City scores to go up
four and they immediately flashed her Brady on the sidelining.
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He's got his big old hoodie. He's sitting there with
his elbows on his knees and he looks completely stoic,
and he doesn't have a grin on his face, and
you can just imagine what's going through his head. He's
probably saying things like perfect. I was built for this,
this is what I lived for. This is why I'm
playing a forty one years old. They have no idea
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what they're about to see. He's not thinking, oh, gosh,
I threw a bad pick a couple of series ago,
or they have a good pass rush, or everybody said this.
In his internal voice, he was saying, this is why
I am the greatest. Thank you that now I have
to go take this team down the field on the
road with nobody thinks we can do it and punch
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it in And the first throw of that drive, he
rips it in the middle and it's perfect. And they
go back and watch those throws in the last drive,
in the overtime drive, every throw that was good covers
you don't have wide open guys. Every throw was his
zap was exact. And that is why he's a grace
all time. I told you, I told my listeners, I
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changed my vote. Like I've said, Aaron Rodgers checks every
box right. He's clutch, he's tough. Uh, he's smart, he's accurate.
He's got probably a better arm than Brady's definitely got
better athletics than the Brady. But that's part of what
makes the Brady thing magical is that he is missing
some things athletically he's never had. He has a good arm,
he's never had the best arm in the sport, and
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yet here he is again. And even at forty one
years old. It's it's it's in. It's incredible. You want
to talk about Romo, Um, I think I think Nance
doesn't get enough love because Nance is a loud Romo
to be Romo. Romo doesn't make mistakes, by the way,
there are things that he says yeah yeah, and he
laughs at himself. Yes. Um. But but it's it's fun
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to watch one of And I would just I put
you you guys right when we all work together at
the other place, whether it's Tim Hasseback or you or
you know you know now Dan Orlovsky does a great job.
Guys that are recent quarterbacks that love the sport, that
understand what they're actually seeing and what's going to happen.
They know what's happening before it's it's so much fun
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for civilians like us to get a taste of what
it's really really like what I love is to me,
Troy's the gold standard. I've always thought Troy's the gold
standard and Joe because they just have a cart. You
know they do is they watch a game and have
a conversation and then we as an audience get invited
into that conversation. And Troy's obviously Hall of Fame, are
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very smart, relates well, doesn't ever use the gold jacket
as a thing. Um, So they're the gold standard. And
then to see Jim and Tony developed that kind of
the symparticle relationship over such a short amount of time.
And what hit me yesterday. It was really because my
daughter's and my daughter's friends and my wife and like
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non football people are going, gosh, it's such an easy listen,
Like he teaches me stuff and I get to see
what's gonna happen, and I learned stuff, but he's not
trying to he's trying that. He's not trying to make
me feel like he's the smartest person on TV, even
though he might be. He's not forcing it down your throw,
And I just I think we're in a really unique
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time as a football audience where we get you know,
we get Troy and and Joe, and we get Jim
and Tony, and we get Al and Chris on Sunday,
and I mean it's just a wonderful mix. And I
know as a fan now because I don't you know,
I don't have any broadcast aspirations anymore. I kind of
been there, done that, and I just really really enjoy it.
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And I think the people around me that want to
learn football and want to have a great viewing experience
really enjoyed as well. Yeah. No, it's it's it's it's
the it's the can you teach without lecturing? That's what
that's what teach without. No. I mean like look, and
I'm not trying to put myself in there any of
their category, but when I do a game that that's
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I think early on at times, uh, you know, your
first couple of years doing it, you end up, you know,
catching yourself like man, my, my, trying to overdo it,
over be too scientific with it, and then you get
people who show you how to do it. What's amazing
about Romo is he have been doing it very long
and he just naturally seems seems to get that. I
think dances is a big is a big part of that,
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just like Joe is a big part of what makes
Troy Troy so good. Trying to deal for joining us
on the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports, tradeing, Okay,
one more on the Kansas City game and then I
want to get to the other game. Um, I didn't
feel it. I do feel like Mahomes they figured some
out at halftime, but boy, he missed some stuff. He
made some incredible throws, but he missed some stuff. How
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much of that is to be expected and how much
that was a little bit disappointing. No, I wasn't disappointed
because I almost felt like he was a victim of
um circumstance, like he got stuck on the sidelines. Like
I said, almost an hour from the time he threw
his last Paul and three game to the first time
he steps out on the field and also your team
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gets stiff and slow and cold. Um. I think there's
you know, they didn't get the third and short early
in the game when they tried to run the ball
like he just wasn't on the field enough. But to
his credit that he didn't go in the tank. He didn't,
you know, woe is me. They come out in the
second half after doing almost nothing in the first half,
and that he played three I thought I played loose.
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I thought he played with some exactness. At times he
overcame alive. I mean, they were explosive in the second half.
Now they definitely figured out the Patriots in the second half. Uh.
And I thought he was awesome. We've talked about. I
think he's going to be one of the great players
are League's ever seen, and he'll learn a lot from
this one. And there's been there's been great players that
in their first playoff football experience, their first championship game,
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have melted, And he definitely didn't melt. I don't. I
think had less to do with Patrick Mahomes and more
to do just with the intellectual superiority of the New
England Patriots. All right, let's get to the other game. Um, look,
it's completely fair to say that that should have been
defensive past interference. I thought in real time it was
a little bit closer and the the angle from behind
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the play. Thank you, you're the first person that said that.
My daughter's ridiculed me last night for saying that, And
like when it happened in live, I didn't think it
was that egregious and from the side. It didn't look
at it from behind because you can't because because you
can't tell when the ball would be right at the
level of the wide receiver, it is bang bang, It
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is that close. So it wasn't like you hit him
and then the ball comes zinging by. Um. But here's
another part that seems to be getting to pass. Why
are they throwing one breeze wasn't great and throw a
terrible pass on first down? But why are they throwing
the ball even if it's not usually a high percentage
completion route. Why are they throwing the ball on first
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down when when you're right and field goal range at
a home in a dome. Listen. I'll take it from
Sean Payton's perspective, because I think Sean as angry as
he priors after the game. He was on the know
going home that night, maybe even this morning. At some
point he has to intellectually look at that game and
present to his team what happened. Here's my guess of
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what he will say. Drew mr wide open touchdown pass.
We'm kicking a field, but we didn't execute on the
first time we got a short field. We had a
third and fifteen with the guy wide open. The middle
of field is probably gonna come out the back end
and score, and we we throw it behind the receiver.
Missible multiple misses on blocks, on perimeter runs and screen passes.
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I call I made a bad decision thrown on first down,
but receivers open, And Drew Dirt said, and after all that,
you know what, don't let the Rams go score after
you go ahead three and then don't turn it over
and overtime so whiners can wind all they want. You
know what, that tells me they haven't done what the
rest of us have done competitively, where you play a
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game and you know that part of winning or losing
his stuff to out of your control. But what you
do is you go control the things you can. And
I think the Saints are a very poor job of
controlling the things they could. They could have put that
game out of reach early and there's no chance the
Rams are coming back. They could have closed it out
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late by throwing on a defense that doesn't allow Reynolds
to get open in the middle of fuel for twenty
yards and it doesn't allow outcuts to be completed. I mean,
they could have controlled what they could have controlled. And
we're not talking about a bad call. But people that
don't understand that are gonna whine about a call that, yeah,
it was a bad call. But there's bad calls in
every sporting event in professional sports, every night of the
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week that lead to determine the game. And the great
competitors just say water off for Duck's back. Not gonna
let it affect me, move on to the next thing.
I also point out he wasn't actually open, right. If
the defensive back makes a play on the ball, that's
that's that's six points the other way like the gain,
pest start interrupt Doug. But the in think Drew got
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tricked on again. Completion when that ball that we call
pulling the string where you throw a ball and you
know you go, oh gosh, I want to pull that
sucker back. That's picked right. I know better than most.
I threw a million interceptions, and when Drew through that,
I guarantee went, oh no, I just threw a pack.
He got tricked on the coverage and that safety makes
an awful play not playing the ball or not playing
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the hands again and again again goes up and gets it.
So they get away with that one. And you're right,
that ball was like a rocket ball, way too far
out in front of the receiver. It wasn't gonna get caught.
I mean, it's crazy me, um, So let's get their
in lines. Kind of the difference right. Like again, I'm
not saying great Brady played the greatest game, but at
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this at the same age like and in much more
ideal conditions, playing at home, I felt like Breeze has
shown his age a little bit more here late in
the season. Fair. Oh it hurts me to say it,
but yeah, I mean I hate criticizing Drew because I
mean I love him as a friend, as a brother,
as a competitor, I just love everything about him. Um,
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But yeah, I think that late in the year he
did not play at the level that he played in
the middle of here, and it has nothing to do
with this training. Nobody trains harder than Drew Brees and
Tom Brady. Um. But yeah, you can see some of
the age show up the first inter What was it
last week when throws an interception on the first play
of the game down the middle of that ball act juice? Um,
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he struggled on everything past ten fifteen yards? Uh this week?
So yeah, I think you have to if you're being harsh.
I wish I guess I can now because in my
high school football coach, Uh, it showed his age showed
a little bit late in here. Okay, let's let's let's
let's get to let's get to the rams. Um. Does
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this prove that McVeigh is a genius? What's your takeaway
from McVeigh his play calling, their ability to come from
behind on the road against the Saints? Okay, So I'm
gonna start weaving all the McVeigh genius stuff into the
Jai Goff spots stuff too, because there's some potico that
one doesn't work without the other. Um and the answers. Yes,
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I thought Sean did something yesterday that very few have
the stones to do, and that is he abandoned his
game plan when the communication breakdowns were just such a detriment.
They couldn't they couldn't function offensively. You know, when you're
right tackle, I mean you're left tackle is basically getting
the left guard position to communicate. With six seconds left
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on the play clock, you know, it's a mess. And
what he did is he went to his go play package.
We all have it where you just have a handful
of plays. It really limits what you can do offensively,
It limits your volumes. But they're what we call go place.
It means they work no matter what defense we're facing,
what the crowd noises, what the elements are. These are
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runs usually inside runs, outside runs, action passes in the
middle of field, and boots and nakeds to get to
change the launch point. But there's not a lot of
changing protections, there's not a lot of hand signals, there's
not a lot of communication. Just to make it very simple.
And they went to that package and said this is
what we're going to be the rest of the game,
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and we're gonna play faster. That's our only answer, and
we're run go plays. Now, the quarterback has to know
the why behind it, because imagine the quarterback all week
long has invested countless hours and getting ready for a
specific game plan, and then all of a sudden that
game plan is abandoned and he's the main conduit between
the play caller and the rest of the team going
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wait a second, why are we now doing this? And
I thought Jared's poise, his leadership, and his execution of
those go plays the abandonment of the original game plan
um was masterful. And let's not forget his level of
execution again in critical moments was off the charts. I mean,
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Jared Goff just showed yesterday what we normally would be
celebrating as one of the great quarterback performances of His
name wasn't Jared Goff, but for some reason, people are
afraid to put him in this next category of guys
playing an elite level right now. Awesome stuff, Trent, Thanks
so much. Congrats on the new gig. I can't wait
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to continue to talk football with you and then learn
about all your learning Like he coached one game and
guys that really know this sport, I just tell you,
I coached five AU games yesterday, fourth and fifth graders.
I learned from doing that. You just I love I
love learning about my sport. Thanks so much for sharing
him with us. Alight b d D joining us in
the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Trader. Be sure
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to catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leaps Show
week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. This guy,
you know, it's interesting. Feels like between Aikman and Romo.
They've changed the position of analyst on TV. Mike Prayer
has changed kind of changed this whole The idea of
having a rules expert when Fox hired him was like, man,
where have where have you been my whole life? Because
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now we get opinion and edgy opinion on all of
the calls, and there are some stuff to talk about.
My Prayer joins us rules expert, former official and head
of officials in the National Football League. Kind of have
to spend some time this year on the Doug Outlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, look, you guys, I
thought did a great job of calling it like you
saw it yesterday in the Saints game. Was it as
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egregious as it looked from that angle behind the play?
Because Mike, when I saw it from the game angle
and I look at where the official actually was, it
didn't look as bad as it looked from that rear angle.
How hard does that make the viewer understand that while
it's a blown call, it might not be as egregious
as it looks. Well, I mean, I think I'd take
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the opposite approach. Um. When I saw it replayed and
I looked at the position of the three officials that
could have called it, um, it disappointed me even more
because you're everybody was focusing on the side judge who
maybe didn't have the best angle, but down judge did,
and the back judge from the middle of the field
also easily could have called a hit on a defenseless
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receiver an illegal hit, which it was, And so you know,
with the game on the line, you know, and the
biggest point, you know, it's really kind of nobody pulled
the trigger. I mean, and I get it. I remember
choking in a playoff game that I had when I
I completely froze on a simple illegal contact call, and uh,
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you know, it's it's just it's just really disappointing because
when you go through two games that end in overtime,
two championship games, everything ought to be about how great
and exciting the games were, but it's we're talking about
how critical that this was, and it was, it was,
and it just has to be made. We call him
bang bang plays. You know bang bang plays that are
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so tight that you know you you want to let
those go and get the obvious ones. But this wasn't
bang bang I mean this, in fact there was. It
was well before the ball got there, and I would say,
not a difficult one to call. And let's face it,
you really have pass interference. That also was a hit
on the defenseless receiver. So if offreciated properly, they would
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have put the ball at the six for the passive
infuriance and then taking it half the distance to the
three for the hit on the defenseless players. So it's
it's just it was horrible, miss um. Do you Sean
Payton appeared to have lipped that was a super Bowl
call because the Super Bowl is notorious for having officials
they don't want a call to decide the game. Is
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that accurate that, like, for example, what we're gonna see
is super Bowl calls in the Super Bowl teams able
to be more aggressive. Is that really what happens in
the Super Bowl? Well, I mean you could make that, really,
you can make that statement as it goes through the
playoffs in general. You know, usually the number of penalties
and there were fouls that are called in the playoffs
are down from the regular season. Now what's the reason,
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you know, I mean, the reason could be stated it's
a one and done game, and so you don't get
as many false starts and off sides and those types
of things. Players concentrate more. But although they are never told,
I promise you, no supervisor has ever told the officials
to you know, to let them play. I think subconsciously,
you get to the point where you don't want to
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be the central figure in you know, in a in
a playoff game, whether it's just the regular playoffs or
the super Bowl. And and maybe that's what happened yesterday.
They got you know, there were some other plays that
they let go, another past interference earlier in the game
that they didn't call. Maybe they just got a little
complacent and a little too much towards the subconscious of
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letting them play. But you know, I don't know. I'm
not in their head, so I can't figure it out.
The only thing that I would say is that if
I was still running the program, I would be I
would be deeply disturbed at myself that you know that
I'm I mean, I am the one just like Al
Rivern is the one that's responsible now, and so are
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my supervisors, and so am I trainers. That if if
we haven't trained our officials well enough that something like
this can happen, then internally we have to look at,
you know, our processes and see if we can do
anything different. My prayer joining us our own rules expert
at Fox Sports Doug got show on Fox Sports Radio.
So do we fix it by making um calls like
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this reviewable? You know I'm I'm right at the precipice.
I'm thinking of heading over that direction. I've not been
for that in the past, but something has to be done, Doug.
And And here's why technology is getting better and officiating
is not, I mean and officiate. It's not to say
that officiating is worse than it was ten years ago,
but it's got so much exposure now and the game
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has gotten so much more difficult to officiate that it
really doesn't keep up with technology. So do we embrace
technology even more and allow it to get involved some way?
And I hate to see I hate to see more challenges.
I hate to see more replace stops, because every time
you do that it's an additional three minutes. But what
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I really would like to see, I've we just have
to kind of think about what we can do in
the big picture and not try to cover things with
band aids. I mean, I'm I'm now for an eighth
official and to put him in a booth. He's a
part of the crew. He's not the instant replay guy.
I call him the sky judge, and he has access
to video immediately and he can he can act just
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like any other official on the field and give his point,
you know, give his point of view to the referee,
who can then make the decision. So if you took it,
you know, I know we're reacting to a fairly obvious play,
But if you took the past interference call in New Orleans,
you know wasn't called on the field. The sky judge
gets the one look at it on TV, sees that
it is. He just through the communication system of the referee, says, hey, Bill,
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that was interference on RAMS twenty one. That's gonna be
Saints Baul first and goal at the six. He makes
the announcement, put it down. We played the twenty seconds.
Nobody's talking about it today, So I'm I'm liking that
as opposed to say, let's make replay review of all
and it has to be challenged or whatever. I think
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I'm ready for an eighth official just to use video
to get the sometimes the everyday call right, whether it's
the face mask call or the rupping the passer call
against Brady, there was no contact of the head or
neck area these communicative officials all the time, just as
immediately that was not about to pick up the flag.
Play on looks a little messy, but in the end
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it gets right. Let's get called. It gets called right.
So here here's the point is something has to be done, Mike.
Here here's the part though that I'm a little concerned about.
And we saw it in the Patriots game. A little
bit of the Patriots Chief game is like, look, part
of these last drives is managing the clock, right, You're
trying to manage the clock, and it provides time outs
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t teams that don't have any time outs left, Like
there has the question and and and it's it's really hard.
You want to get it right, but you also got
to play the game. And it's it's affecting number of
time outs and the rules and game playing and so
many other issues that we have more stoppages. I just
we take away from the core of of what makes
the sport great. Well, but I know that, But I'm
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but I'm saying is if you use the eighth official,
you know, and we fail, we don't make a call
that we should have made. It would have stopped the
clock in the first place, and then you get the
call made, then then the clock should have stopped. Um.
You know, the the danger becomes the no call when
all of a sudden, you know, you don't call something
and then this the state official calls down and tries
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to turn into something that doesn't. Then maybe it could happen.
But I think if you used it judiciously for the
flagrant misses, I think getting it right really kind of
is more important than maybe what it might create in
an advantage to a team. But you know, when you
get inside a two minutes of the second quarter, five
minutes of fourth, anytime a fallus called the clocks, they
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stopped anyways, And if it's not calling should have been,
you corrected, and then it is stopped, then you correct it.
That also so I think you just have to take
a leap. I think we just have to look at
if we're going to use technology to get more calls, right,
and especially big calls, right, then we have to assume
some of those risks. We have them. Now they may
create ten second runoffs, but we have them. And so
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I just think if if we're if we're going to
make this move to try to you know, to try
to make use technology, then I mean, here, here's what
I do, And I said today, I would do it
for the sixty four games of preseason in two thousand nineteen,
I do it. I would try it in every game
and then I do a study and if it worked,
then maybe I'd use it for the playoffs for the
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two thousand nineteen season, and if it worked, then maybe
carry it to twenty um two thousand twenty. I think
it's worth a shot. Like for joining us and the
Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sport Trader, can I propose
something to you? Sure? Okay? Um? What if replays were
viewed in real time? Right? Like? Look, you still you
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still have the replay officials still, but but the did
the ball like the everywhere when we're judging every little
nuance and every little Now, look it helped get the
play right with the with the Patriots where uh, it
didn't touch Edelman at all, and once we had all
of the different views of it, we realize it. But
I maybe maybe it's that we're judging these things that
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maybe shouldn't be seen because we see every movement of
the football. Um, are we getting it too right? Might
be maybe a possible discussion, Well, are we making it
or are we making it too impossible to officiate? Yeah?
I mean that's that's the real They never blow the whistle.
They almost never blow the whistle anymore because they're afraid
of blowing it dead when they're not don't want to
blow it dead right like you? You like you? They
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wait a long time before they blow a play debt. Yeah,
you know. The only thing I would say to that,
if you try to do everything in real time, review
it in real time, you know you wouldn't make changes.
Like if you look at the tight sideline sets, are
you gonna review that in real time or slow it
down to see if the show is on the line?
M GIF? You you did that and then something doesn't
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get changed. And then of course our networks are going
to show it in slow motion and then you can
see that the air was obvious. I think you you'd
create some issues there. I think, you know, we always
said with the catch note catch thing, this whole notion
of you know, did he have it long enough, you
know to be considered a catch? You know, you you
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it's certainly distorted in slow motion, and and I've always
been an advocate of saying, let's keep judgment out of
replay period, but they haven't done that. They brought judgment
into replay. So I just think that we've got to
use all the technology we can in the best possible
circumstance that we can to not interfere anymore than we
already have in the game. If we can use it
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to correct obvious mistake, let's do it. I mean, it
would have been simple, It would have been simple yesterday,
and everybody would have been talking more about the two
overtime games instead of the mispass interference call. So I
just do think something has to be done. My great stuff.
You amazing this season as always, and uh, thanks so
much for joining us. And of course next year we'll
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hear you and see at the super Bowl. Thanks for
joining us. That's Mike Prayer as good as anybody who's
ever done. A matter of fact, he kind of created
a role for so many others, for Dean Blandino and
UH and for you know, all the guys the other
networks have as as well, because he's he's that good
at what he does
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in the Super Bowl and remarkably in the Super Bowl
against Tom Brady. Life comes full circle. We will get
to the blown call in the Saints scheme or the
Rams game, depending on which side of the docket you're on.
Um so we will get to that momentarily. Couple of
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nuggets you need to know first. You can join the
Doug Gottlip Show in two days This Wednesday, will broadcast
live from the Farmers Insurance Open at Tory Pines in
San Diego. Secondly, I would like to change my vote.
I would like to change my vote. I have previously
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stated to you on this show, on other shows, on television,
on radio, on our various digital platforms, at this network
and at other networks, that I believe Aaron Rodgers is
the best quarterback I've ever seen play the position. That's
because Aaron Rodgers checks every box, every box, arm, strength, accuracy,
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mobility in and out of the pocket, and not just
to run for the first down, but also just to
move inside the pocket and extend the pocket. He's tough,
he shown himself to be clutched. He's come from behind,
He's won the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers checks every box.
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Tom Brady does not. He's not particularly mobile, he's alarming
lye unathletic, and uh though he throws a great ball,
let's not act like even though he, like Aaron Rodgers,
plays in bad weather. He has the best arm, nor
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has he ever had the best arm in football. But
something happened when I was watching that overtime drive and
several of the other fourth quarter drives, I realized that's
actually what makes them great. Because Tom Brady did not
play perfect football yesterday through a terror of interception the
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first half, which could have if he threw it in
the Listen, the Chiefs luckily read the play and at
a defensive lineman dropped back and make an interception. But
if the ball was placed in the right spot where
only Rob Gronkowski could catch it, the Patriots and they're
ridiculously good game plan, would have been up fourteen nothing
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early on. He did not play a perfect football game,
did not through a couple of interceptions, could have had
a third interception if not for DeFord lining up in
the neutral zone. But again, that's part of what makes
him great because with all of those arguments, and they
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are in fact true, He's not a good athlete. He's
not particularly mobile, he's never grown thrown the best football.
He just hasn't. And he didn't play perfect yesterday. Did
anyone stop to realize he's forty one years old, forty
one years old. Anybody here been forty one years old?
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This guy has Do you know what's the same when
you're forty one years old? Pretty much nothing works like
it used to. It just doesn't. All right. We do
this with cars all the time. We have a fascination
with classic cars. Classic cars are great. I own a
nineteen seventy v DA bus, you know what, I'm trying
(04:34):
to sell my nineteen seventy v DA bus because things
break all the time on it. And even though people go, man,
that must be cool to own, and it is. It's fun,
it's also kind of a pain in the ass. My
body is the exact same way. Well, I can still
do most of the stuff I used to do in
my brain works at a much higher level because I
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have so many more experiences than I had when I
was twenty one years old. Yeah, but this guy is
playing in super Bowls when most NFL players are searching
for their second or third opportunity post career. He's in
his ninth Super Bowl. The average NFL career lasts four years.
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Nine years of playing football is a hell of a run.
Nine super Bowls is unfathomable. And to win a game
on the road in the cold, the NFC Championship game
against the remarkable offense and an underrated defensive line, just
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be honest, that's a great defensive line when healthy. I
know Chris Jones got hurt late, and to do so
at forty one years old, even with the flaws, even
with the mistakes, only makes the point better. In lay
a blind in basketball. One team's duncan, the other team's
laying it up, one team's passing and cutting, and one
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team is show boat. That's a difference in the Patriots,
who are laying it up and the Chiefs. The Chiefs
have ridiculous talent. Ridiculous talent. D Ford, Justin Houston, Chris Jones,
Eric Berry. Okay, they got some names on that defensive
side of the ball. On offense, Sammy Watkins, Tyreek Hill,
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Pat Mahomes like that, Travis Kelsey, They got dudes. And
if you're gonna line up and pick a team, you're like,
I want the one wearing red, not the one wearing white,
because those guys look old. But you know what, Passing, pivoting,
cutting still works, Laying it up still counts for two points.
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And running the football in the first half and play
actioning and reading the defense and breaking it down in
the second half and into overtime just works. He didn't
play perfect. You can pick apart everything, but did anyone
stop to realize, Hey, forty one years old and he's
going to the Silver Bowl for the night time, So
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I want to change my vote. And here's the thing.
We live in some weird parallel universe where where we
think it's like elections. Once you put your ballot in,
you can't get it out. But you know what I
did last night? Yesterday, I had an incredible day. Okay,
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I had the worst possible travel experience going to Wisconsin,
and I love Wisconsin. Was born there. I watched the
Badgers beat Michigan, called the game on Compass Media Networks
terrible travel. Finally getting back close to midnight to my
house and I coached four a U games that my
son played in. Then we watched the Rams game. Then
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he had or in the middle of the RAMS game,
he at an NJB game, which is like an advanced
wreck level game. Then he came back, watched the end
and overtime of the Rams game, and then we watched
the Patriots game, and then we watched the overtime again
just so I could tell my son, I want you
to watch this because that's the greatest quarterback you've ever seen.
And then we watched Hoosiers, and do you know the
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best scene. There's a great a lot of great scene
some Hoosiers, but the best scene is in the entire movie.
Is not the all make it or the don't get
caught watching the paint Dry Boys. The best scene is
the town is going to vote, right, and they bring
in the coach, Norman Dale, to vote on whether or
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not they want to keep him or fire him, and
they take a vote, and then him watched Jimmy Chitwood,
who is the high school star that to that point
has refused to play basketball, and he says, I got
something to say. I think it's time for me to
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start playing ball. One more thing. If coach days, I play,
If he goes, I go. And you know what happened
at that very moment, Ramos, do you wear what happened
at that very moment. I'm assuming they kept the coach. No,
they yes, they did. They took a revote because they
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had new information. Okay, I'm gonna tell you I was
not wrong. Aaron Rodgers does check every box, but I
got new information. I've seen Tom Brady lead a team
back from three down against the Atlanta Falcons. I've seen
Tom Brady lose the game last year, and in the
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Super Bowl he did fumble down five points. He did
misread the defense. It was his mistake, but his team
against the Eagles defense didn't punt on that day, and
I just saw Tom Brady lead a team who doesn't
have a star wide receiver, who star tight end. Frankly
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runs a lot like Tom Brady, just not exactly a compliment.
Julian Edelman, off both the p E D suspension and
a torn a c L becomes his primary threat. Rex
Burkhead became his primary running back, although Sony Michelle is
that is the star talent, but Rex Birkhead was the
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primary target as a as a running back. They used
a fullback, which is like a dinosaur in the National
Football League. And at forty one years old, he's going
to the Super Bowl for the ninth time. Like a revote,
and on my ballot, I will put Tom Brady as
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the greatest quarterback I've ever seen, because being quarterback isn't
about foot speed or foot movement or arm strength. It's about,
more often than not, does your team achieve or overachieve
their potential? Do they win games where other quarterbacks would lose?
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And the answer for Brady is yes, more than anyone
else I've ever seen play the position, and he just
did it at forty one years old. If you can't
appreciate that, then you probably shouldn't watch sports, you should
probably decide who wins games based upon layup lines, not
what actually occurs on the field, on the court, or
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on the pitch. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays in noon eastern three
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He's a quarterback guru who's a savant and you can
fall him on Twitter at dil first times and is
also apparently the new head coach at Lipscomb Academy in Nashville.
(11:55):
I saw this last week. Um, I want to get
to your breakdown of the game teams, but congratulations are
in order. Why coach high school football? Thanks Don Well,
It's a great question. I never thought I would, but
I'm not at that stage of life where I'm reflective.
I've had an incredible career in the NFL and then
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a good one in broadcasting and was looking for something
more calling driven than career driven, more purpose and significance driven.
And I can't think of a better job than to
positively influence and impact young people through the vehicle football.
And you know you've been around all your whole life.
There's just something special about that age group and teaching
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them a lot about life and what's to come through
the vehicle of the sport they love. And uh, it's
an unbelievable academy institution with great people in the struggling
football program. So it's going to be a challenge and
one that I kind of needed this stage of my life.
My life got a little too comfortable and and uh,
I think from the outside you could say, oh man,
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he's got everything we ever want. But inside, I wanted
that uncomfortable nous. I wanted that edge. I wanted that challenge,
that hild A climb, and and this gives me that opportunity.
And I'm fired up about it. Trying to deal for
joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Um okay, let's let's start with Let's start with the
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Patriots game. Um first, what did the Patriots do to
suddenly have a defense that could slow down and really
stop the Kancity Chiefs? What they do well? Obviously, it
starts with player development. They and I'm sure everybody that
today is talking about how players they didn't know much
about early in the year are now making an impact
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in the game. So there's just that development of the player,
both from a physical standpoint, but from an intellectual standpoint too.
But my big answers be they beat you intellectually, they
beat you with sophistication, They get in your mind. It's
almost as if Bill Belichick and his defensive staff, we
don't give his staff enough credit. We always give build
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all the credit for his staff said, Okay, what's Andy
Reid do on his first fifteen scripts? And okay, here's
what he typically likes to do. Well, let's make sure
that we build a defense that is gonna take away
what he usually tries to establish in his first fifteen.
So if you notice through the course of this season,
in Andy's first fifteen, you're gonna see Tyreek Hill with a
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a couple of different ways. You're gonna see m his
emotion guy in the backfield, You're gonna see him in
the slot, and you're gonna see him on the perimeter
with some type of shot play. Well, in all those instances,
they tried to do that yesterday and Andy Reid had
some type of bracket on him with a mug on
Kelsey Kelsey, because they build their offense kind of a
one to Hill Kelsey combination. They dared them to be
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patient running the ball early in the game, and they
weren't able to do that. So it's almost as they
got in their head and intellectually built a scheme that
could give them time to work into the game offensively. Uh,
you know, let Tom Brady and off it's work into
the game. So you know, again again that scheme broke
down in the second half. The Chiefs, once they were
able to figure it out, had a lot of success.
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But what Bill gets is, we're gonna get the ball first.
We're gonna trust, we're gonna execute a high level. They're
gonna sit over there on the sidelines for what is
really being what was really fifty plus minutes from the
time they ended warmups for the two till the first
time they touched the ball, and then once they jump
on the field, we're gonna frustrate them because we're not
gonna allow them to accomplish in their first fifteen what
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they normally accomplish. Doug gotlap shoot here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
here's what I said about Brady, Like, look, I don't
think he played the perfect game, threw a bad pick
in the first half, and they should have been up
fourteen nothing. He threw a pick in the second half
which Edelman technically had his hands on, but it was
a bit late, it was a bit hot, it was
a bit high. Is that is that fair? In that
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that second in reception, it's a bad throw first throw.
So so he throws two picks and and could have
thrown a third pick obviously that one. The third one
probably wasn't his fault that went through grons hands. But
again a bit hot, bit high, but hard um. But
it throws two what could have been three picks. On
the other hand, he's forty one years old, and he
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was able without really the talent outside the numbers of
a true number one wide receiver to march up and
down the field in what's called competitive greatness right when
it's called upon at the most important times. As as
a former quarterback and a guy who's a savant and
breaking it down much like Romo is breaking it down
during the game. What did you see that impressed you?
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I want to get back to the Romo thing too,
because it's really important. He's in a short amount of
time become an elite broadcaster, absolutely elite. But I think
you're defined ultimately as an athlete by what you do
in critical moments. I think there's a lot of really
good athletes that are good in the first, second, and
third quarter. They're good when it's easy. Um, they're good
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when everything's going their way, and we celebrate those and
we're a highlight educated sports audience where we see them
do cool things, but there's no context to when they
do it. And the great one, the truly truly great ones,
the Michael Jordan's, the Tom Brady's, whoever you want to
put that list. Um, they do it when everything's against them.
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They do it when they're not playing good up to
that point. They do it when they shouldn't have the confidence.
They do it when you go, oh, he's done this
a hundred times, he should do it even though there's
no way he can do it this time. And that's
what Tom Brady did. He did not put it now.
He did a lot of good things and tough conditions,
but he did. You know, those two interceptions were very bad.
It's very bad interceptions. But his level of execution, his
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level of exactness when it was needed the most in
the hardest conditions, UH is really to me what I'll
remember forever. The one, the one cut away that I'll
remember forever is when Kansas City scores to go up
four and they immediately flashed her Brady on the sidelining.
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He's got his big old hoodie. He's sitting there with
his elbows on his knees and he looks completely stoic,
and he doesn't have a grin on his face, and
you can just imagine what's going through his head. He's
probably saying things like perfect. I was built for this,
this is what I lived for. This is why I'm
playing a forty one years old. They have no idea
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what they're about to see. He's not thinking, oh, gosh,
I threw a bad pick a couple of series ago,
or they have a good pass rush, or everybody said this.
In his internal voice, he was saying, this is why
I am the greatest. Thank you that now I have
to go take this team down the field on the
road with nobody thinks we can do it and punch
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it in And the first throw of that drive, he
rips it in the middle and it's perfect. And they
go back and watch those throws in the last drive,
in the overtime drive, every throw that was good covers
you don't have wide open guys. Every throw was his
zap was exact. And that is why he's a grace
all time. I told you, I told my listeners, I
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changed my vote. Like I've said, Aaron Rodgers checks every
box right. He's clutch, he's tough. Uh, he's smart, he's accurate.
He's got probably a better arm than Brady's definitely got
better athletics than the Brady. But that's part of what
makes the Brady thing magical is that he is missing
some things athletically he's never had. He has a good arm,
he's never had the best arm in the sport, and
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yet here he is again. And even at forty one
years old. It's it's it's in. It's incredible. You want
to talk about Romo, Um, I think I think Nance
doesn't get enough love because Nance is a loud Romo
to be Romo. Romo doesn't make mistakes, by the way,
there are things that he says yeah yeah, and he
laughs at himself. Yes. Um. But but it's it's fun
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to watch one of And I would just I put
you you guys right when we all work together at
the other place, whether it's Tim Hasseback or you or
you know you know now Dan Orlovsky does a great job.
Guys that are recent quarterbacks that love the sport, that
understand what they're actually seeing and what's going to happen.
They know what's happening before it's it's so much fun
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for civilians like us to get a taste of what
it's really really like what I love is to me,
Troy's the gold standard. I've always thought Troy's the gold
standard and Joe because they just have a cart. You
know they do is they watch a game and have
a conversation and then we as an audience get invited
into that conversation. And Troy's obviously Hall of Fame, are
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very smart, relates well, doesn't ever use the gold jacket
as a thing. Um, So they're the gold standard. And
then to see Jim and Tony developed that kind of
the symparticle relationship over such a short amount of time.
And what hit me yesterday. It was really because my
daughter's and my daughter's friends and my wife and like
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non football people are going, gosh, it's such an easy listen,
Like he teaches me stuff and I get to see
what's gonna happen, and I learned stuff, but he's not
trying to he's trying that. He's not trying to make
me feel like he's the smartest person on TV, even
though he might be. He's not forcing it down your throw,
And I just I think we're in a really unique
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time as a football audience where we get you know,
we get Troy and and Joe, and we get Jim
and Tony, and we get Al and Chris on Sunday,
and I mean it's just a wonderful mix. And I
know as a fan now because I don't you know,
I don't have any broadcast aspirations anymore. I kind of
been there, done that, and I just really really enjoy it.
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And I think the people around me that want to
learn football and want to have a great viewing experience
really enjoyed as well. Yeah. No, it's it's it's it's
the it's the can you teach without lecturing? That's what
that's what teach without. No. I mean like look, and
I'm not trying to put myself in there any of
their category, but when I do a game that that's
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I think early on at times, uh, you know, your
first couple of years doing it, you end up, you know,
catching yourself like man, my, my, trying to overdo it,
over be too scientific with it, and then you get
people who show you how to do it. What's amazing
about Romo is he have been doing it very long
and he just naturally seems seems to get that. I
think dances is a big is a big part of that,
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just like Joe is a big part of what makes
Troy Troy so good. Trying to deal for joining us
on the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports, tradeing, Okay,
one more on the Kansas City game and then I
want to get to the other game. Um, I didn't
feel it. I do feel like Mahomes they figured some
out at halftime, but boy, he missed some stuff. He
made some incredible throws, but he missed some stuff. How
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much of that is to be expected and how much
that was a little bit disappointing. No, I wasn't disappointed
because I almost felt like he was a victim of
um circumstance, like he got stuck on the sidelines. Like
I said, almost an hour from the time he threw
his last Paul and three game to the first time
he steps out on the field and also your team
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gets stiff and slow and cold. Um. I think there's
you know, they didn't get the third and short early
in the game when they tried to run the ball
like he just wasn't on the field enough. But to
his credit that he didn't go in the tank. He didn't,
you know, woe is me. They come out in the
second half after doing almost nothing in the first half,
and that he played three I thought I played loose.
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I thought he played with some exactness. At times he
overcame alive. I mean, they were explosive in the second half.
Now they definitely figured out the Patriots in the second half. Uh.
And I thought he was awesome. We've talked about. I
think he's going to be one of the great players
are League's ever seen, and he'll learn a lot from
this one. And there's been there's been great players that
in their first playoff football experience, their first championship game,
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have melted, And he definitely didn't melt. I don't. I
think had less to do with Patrick Mahomes and more
to do just with the intellectual superiority of the New
England Patriots. All right, let's get to the other game. Um, look,
it's completely fair to say that that should have been
defensive past interference. I thought in real time it was
a little bit closer and the the angle from behind
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the play. Thank you, you're the first person that said that.
My daughter's ridiculed me last night for saying that, And
like when it happened in live, I didn't think it
was that egregious and from the side. It didn't look
at it from behind because you can't because because you
can't tell when the ball would be right at the
level of the wide receiver, it is bang bang, It
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is that close. So it wasn't like you hit him
and then the ball comes zinging by. Um. But here's
another part that seems to be getting to pass. Why
are they throwing one breeze wasn't great and throw a
terrible pass on first down? But why are they throwing
the ball even if it's not usually a high percentage
completion route. Why are they throwing the ball on first
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down when when you're right and field goal range at
a home in a dome. Listen. I'll take it from
Sean Payton's perspective, because I think Sean as angry as
he priors after the game. He was on the know
going home that night, maybe even this morning. At some
point he has to intellectually look at that game and
present to his team what happened. Here's my guess of
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what he will say. Drew mr wide open touchdown pass.
We'm kicking a field, but we didn't execute on the
first time we got a short field. We had a
third and fifteen with the guy wide open. The middle
of field is probably gonna come out the back end
and score, and we we throw it behind the receiver.
Missible multiple misses on blocks, on perimeter runs and screen passes.
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I call I made a bad decision thrown on first down,
but receivers open, And Drew Dirt said, and after all that,
you know what, don't let the Rams go score after
you go ahead three and then don't turn it over
and overtime so whiners can wind all they want. You
know what, that tells me they haven't done what the
rest of us have done competitively, where you play a
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game and you know that part of winning or losing
his stuff to out of your control. But what you
do is you go control the things you can. And
I think the Saints are a very poor job of
controlling the things they could. They could have put that
game out of reach early and there's no chance the
Rams are coming back. They could have closed it out
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late by throwing on a defense that doesn't allow Reynolds
to get open in the middle of fuel for twenty
yards and it doesn't allow outcuts to be completed. I mean,
they could have controlled what they could have controlled. And
we're not talking about a bad call. But people that
don't understand that are gonna whine about a call that, yeah,
it was a bad call. But there's bad calls in
every sporting event in professional sports, every night of the
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week that lead to determine the game. And the great
competitors just say water off for Duck's back. Not gonna
let it affect me, move on to the next thing.
I also point out he wasn't actually open, right. If
the defensive back makes a play on the ball, that's
that's that's six points the other way like the gain,
pest start interrupt Doug. But the in think Drew got
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tricked on again. Completion when that ball that we call
pulling the string where you throw a ball and you
know you go, oh gosh, I want to pull that
sucker back. That's picked right. I know better than most.
I threw a million interceptions, and when Drew through that,
I guarantee went, oh no, I just threw a pack.
He got tricked on the coverage and that safety makes
an awful play not playing the ball or not playing
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the hands again and again again goes up and gets it.
So they get away with that one. And you're right,
that ball was like a rocket ball, way too far
out in front of the receiver. It wasn't gonna get caught.
I mean, it's crazy me, um, So let's get their
in lines. Kind of the difference right. Like again, I'm
not saying great Brady played the greatest game, but at
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this at the same age like and in much more
ideal conditions, playing at home, I felt like Breeze has
shown his age a little bit more here late in
the season. Fair. Oh it hurts me to say it,
but yeah, I mean I hate criticizing Drew because I
mean I love him as a friend, as a brother,
as a competitor, I just love everything about him. Um,
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But yeah, I think that late in the year he
did not play at the level that he played in
the middle of here, and it has nothing to do
with this training. Nobody trains harder than Drew Brees and
Tom Brady. Um. But yeah, you can see some of
the age show up the first inter What was it
last week when throws an interception on the first play
of the game down the middle of that ball act juice? Um,
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he struggled on everything past ten fifteen yards? Uh this week?
So yeah, I think you have to if you're being harsh.
I wish I guess I can now because in my
high school football coach, Uh, it showed his age showed
a little bit late in here. Okay, let's let's let's
let's get to let's get to the rams. Um. Does
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this prove that McVeigh is a genius? What's your takeaway
from McVeigh his play calling, their ability to come from
behind on the road against the Saints? Okay, So I'm
gonna start weaving all the McVeigh genius stuff into the
Jai Goff spots stuff too, because there's some potico that
one doesn't work without the other. Um and the answers. Yes,
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I thought Sean did something yesterday that very few have
the stones to do, and that is he abandoned his
game plan when the communication breakdowns were just such a detriment.
They couldn't they couldn't function offensively. You know, when you're
right tackle, I mean you're left tackle is basically getting
the left guard position to communicate. With six seconds left
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on the play clock, you know, it's a mess. And
what he did is he went to his go play package.
We all have it where you just have a handful
of plays. It really limits what you can do offensively,
It limits your volumes. But they're what we call go place.
It means they work no matter what defense we're facing,
what the crowd noises, what the elements are. These are
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runs usually inside runs, outside runs, action passes in the
middle of field, and boots and nakeds to get to
change the launch point. But there's not a lot of
changing protections, there's not a lot of hand signals, there's
not a lot of communication. Just to make it very simple.
And they went to that package and said this is
what we're going to be the rest of the game,
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and we're gonna play faster. That's our only answer, and
we're run go plays. Now, the quarterback has to know
the why behind it, because imagine the quarterback all week
long has invested countless hours and getting ready for a
specific game plan, and then all of a sudden that
game plan is abandoned and he's the main conduit between
the play caller and the rest of the team going
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wait a second, why are we now doing this? And
I thought Jared's poise, his leadership, and his execution of
those go plays the abandonment of the original game plan
um was masterful. And let's not forget his level of
execution again in critical moments was off the charts. I mean,
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Jared Goff just showed yesterday what we normally would be
celebrating as one of the great quarterback performances of His
name wasn't Jared Goff, but for some reason, people are
afraid to put him in this next category of guys
playing an elite level right now. Awesome stuff, Trent, Thanks
so much. Congrats on the new gig. I can't wait
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to continue to talk football with you and then learn
about all your learning Like he coached one game and
guys that really know this sport, I just tell you,
I coached five AU games yesterday, fourth and fifth graders.
I learned from doing that. You just I love I
love learning about my sport. Thanks so much for sharing
him with us. Alight b d D joining us in
the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Trader. Be sure
(31:36):
to catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leaps Show
week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. This guy,
you know, it's interesting. Feels like between Aikman and Romo.
They've changed the position of analyst on TV. Mike Prayer
has changed kind of changed this whole The idea of
having a rules expert when Fox hired him was like, man,
where have where have you been my whole life? Because
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now we get opinion and edgy opinion on all of
the calls, and there are some stuff to talk about.
My Prayer joins us rules expert, former official and head
of officials in the National Football League. Kind of have
to spend some time this year on the Doug Outlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, look, you guys, I
thought did a great job of calling it like you
saw it yesterday in the Saints game. Was it as
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egregious as it looked from that angle behind the play?
Because Mike, when I saw it from the game angle
and I look at where the official actually was, it
didn't look as bad as it looked from that rear angle.
How hard does that make the viewer understand that while
it's a blown call, it might not be as egregious
as it looks. Well, I mean, I think I'd take
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the opposite approach. Um. When I saw it replayed and
I looked at the position of the three officials that
could have called it, um, it disappointed me even more
because you're everybody was focusing on the side judge who
maybe didn't have the best angle, but down judge did,
and the back judge from the middle of the field
also easily could have called a hit on a defenseless
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receiver an illegal hit, which it was, And so you know,
with the game on the line, you know, and the
biggest point, you know, it's really kind of nobody pulled
the trigger. I mean, and I get it. I remember
choking in a playoff game that I had when I
I completely froze on a simple illegal contact call, and uh,
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you know, it's it's just it's just really disappointing because
when you go through two games that end in overtime,
two championship games, everything ought to be about how great
and exciting the games were, but it's we're talking about
how critical that this was, and it was, it was,
and it just has to be made. We call him
bang bang plays. You know bang bang plays that are
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so tight that you know you you want to let
those go and get the obvious ones. But this wasn't
bang bang I mean this, in fact there was. It
was well before the ball got there, and I would say,
not a difficult one to call. And let's face it,
you really have pass interference. That also was a hit
on the defenseless receiver. So if offreciated properly, they would
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have put the ball at the six for the passive
infuriance and then taking it half the distance to the
three for the hit on the defenseless players. So it's
it's just it was horrible, miss um. Do you Sean
Payton appeared to have lipped that was a super Bowl
call because the Super Bowl is notorious for having officials
they don't want a call to decide the game. Is
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that accurate that, like, for example, what we're gonna see
is super Bowl calls in the Super Bowl teams able
to be more aggressive. Is that really what happens in
the Super Bowl? Well, I mean you could make that, really,
you can make that statement as it goes through the
playoffs in general. You know, usually the number of penalties
and there were fouls that are called in the playoffs
are down from the regular season. Now what's the reason,
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you know, I mean, the reason could be stated it's
a one and done game, and so you don't get
as many false starts and off sides and those types
of things. Players concentrate more. But although they are never told,
I promise you, no supervisor has ever told the officials
to you know, to let them play. I think subconsciously,
you get to the point where you don't want to
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be the central figure in you know, in a in
a playoff game, whether it's just the regular playoffs or
the super Bowl. And and maybe that's what happened yesterday.
They got you know, there were some other plays that
they let go, another past interference earlier in the game
that they didn't call. Maybe they just got a little
complacent and a little too much towards the subconscious of
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letting them play. But you know, I don't know. I'm
not in their head, so I can't figure it out.
The only thing that I would say is that if
I was still running the program, I would be I
would be deeply disturbed at myself that you know that
I'm I mean, I am the one just like Al
Rivern is the one that's responsible now, and so are
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my supervisors, and so am I trainers. That if if
we haven't trained our officials well enough that something like
this can happen, then internally we have to look at,
you know, our processes and see if we can do
anything different. My prayer joining us our own rules expert
at Fox Sports Doug got show on Fox Sports Radio.
So do we fix it by making um calls like
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this reviewable? You know I'm I'm right at the precipice.
I'm thinking of heading over that direction. I've not been
for that in the past, but something has to be done, Doug.
And And here's why technology is getting better and officiating
is not, I mean and officiate. It's not to say
that officiating is worse than it was ten years ago,
but it's got so much exposure now and the game
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has gotten so much more difficult to officiate that it
really doesn't keep up with technology. So do we embrace
technology even more and allow it to get involved some way?
And I hate to see I hate to see more challenges.
I hate to see more replace stops, because every time
you do that it's an additional three minutes. But what
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I really would like to see, I've we just have
to kind of think about what we can do in
the big picture and not try to cover things with
band aids. I mean, I'm I'm now for an eighth
official and to put him in a booth. He's a
part of the crew. He's not the instant replay guy.
I call him the sky judge, and he has access
to video immediately and he can he can act just
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like any other official on the field and give his point,
you know, give his point of view to the referee,
who can then make the decision. So if you took it,
you know, I know we're reacting to a fairly obvious play,
But if you took the past interference call in New Orleans,
you know wasn't called on the field. The sky judge
gets the one look at it on TV, sees that
it is. He just through the communication system of the referee, says, hey, Bill,
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that was interference on RAMS twenty one. That's gonna be
Saints Baul first and goal at the six. He makes
the announcement, put it down. We played the twenty seconds.
Nobody's talking about it today, So I'm I'm liking that
as opposed to say, let's make replay review of all
and it has to be challenged or whatever. I think
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I'm ready for an eighth official just to use video
to get the sometimes the everyday call right, whether it's
the face mask call or the rupping the passer call
against Brady, there was no contact of the head or
neck area these communicative officials all the time, just as
immediately that was not about to pick up the flag.
Play on looks a little messy, but in the end
(38:25):
it gets right. Let's get called. It gets called right.
So here here's the point is something has to be done, Mike.
Here here's the part though that I'm a little concerned about.
And we saw it in the Patriots game. A little
bit of the Patriots Chief game is like, look, part
of these last drives is managing the clock, right, You're
trying to manage the clock, and it provides time outs
(38:47):
t teams that don't have any time outs left, Like
there has the question and and and it's it's really hard.
You want to get it right, but you also got
to play the game. And it's it's affecting number of
time outs and the rules and game playing and so
many other issues that we have more stoppages. I just
we take away from the core of of what makes
the sport great. Well, but I know that, But I'm
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but I'm saying is if you use the eighth official,
you know, and we fail, we don't make a call
that we should have made. It would have stopped the
clock in the first place, and then you get the
call made, then then the clock should have stopped. Um.
You know, the the danger becomes the no call when
all of a sudden, you know, you don't call something
and then this the state official calls down and tries
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to turn into something that doesn't. Then maybe it could happen.
But I think if you used it judiciously for the
flagrant misses, I think getting it right really kind of
is more important than maybe what it might create in
an advantage to a team. But you know, when you
get inside a two minutes of the second quarter, five
minutes of fourth, anytime a fallus called the clocks, they
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stopped anyways, And if it's not calling should have been,
you corrected, and then it is stopped, then you correct it.
That also so I think you just have to take
a leap. I think we just have to look at
if we're going to use technology to get more calls, right,
and especially big calls, right, then we have to assume
some of those risks. We have them. Now they may
create ten second runoffs, but we have them. And so
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I just think if if we're if we're going to
make this move to try to you know, to try
to make use technology, then I mean, here, here's what
I do, And I said today, I would do it
for the sixty four games of preseason in two thousand nineteen,
I do it. I would try it in every game
and then I do a study and if it worked,
then maybe I'd use it for the playoffs for the
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two thousand nineteen season, and if it worked, then maybe
carry it to twenty um two thousand twenty. I think
it's worth a shot. Like for joining us and the
Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sport Trader, can I propose
something to you? Sure? Okay? Um? What if replays were
viewed in real time? Right? Like? Look, you still you
(40:56):
still have the replay officials still, but but the did
the ball like the everywhere when we're judging every little
nuance and every little Now, look it helped get the
play right with the with the Patriots where uh, it
didn't touch Edelman at all, and once we had all
of the different views of it, we realize it. But
I maybe maybe it's that we're judging these things that
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maybe shouldn't be seen because we see every movement of
the football. Um, are we getting it too right? Might
be maybe a possible discussion, Well, are we making it
or are we making it too impossible to officiate? Yeah?
I mean that's that's the real They never blow the whistle.
They almost never blow the whistle anymore because they're afraid
of blowing it dead when they're not don't want to
blow it dead right like you? You like you? They
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wait a long time before they blow a play debt. Yeah,
you know. The only thing I would say to that,
if you try to do everything in real time, review
it in real time, you know you wouldn't make changes.
Like if you look at the tight sideline sets, are
you gonna review that in real time or slow it
down to see if the show is on the line?
M GIF? You you did that and then something doesn't
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get changed. And then of course our networks are going
to show it in slow motion and then you can
see that the air was obvious. I think you you'd
create some issues there. I think, you know, we always
said with the catch note catch thing, this whole notion
of you know, did he have it long enough, you
know to be considered a catch? You know, you you
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it's certainly distorted in slow motion, and and I've always
been an advocate of saying, let's keep judgment out of
replay period, but they haven't done that. They brought judgment
into replay. So I just think that we've got to
use all the technology we can in the best possible
circumstance that we can to not interfere anymore than we
already have in the game. If we can use it
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to correct obvious mistake, let's do it. I mean, it
would have been simple, It would have been simple yesterday,
and everybody would have been talking more about the two
overtime games instead of the mispass interference call. So I
just do think something has to be done. My great stuff.
You amazing this season as always, and uh, thanks so
much for joining us. And of course next year we'll
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hear you and see at the super Bowl. Thanks for
joining us. That's Mike Prayer as good as anybody who's
ever done. A matter of fact, he kind of created
a role for so many others, for Dean Blandino and
UH and for you know, all the guys the other
networks have as as well, because he's he's that good
at what he does
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
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