January 22, 2019 • 42 mins
Doug thinks Tom Brady and Bill Belichick once again proved all the haters wrong and everyone who thought their off-season “drama” would end their dynasty. Former NFL GM Michael Lombardi calls in and discusses the Rams and how they were able to get a win against the Saints in the Super Dome. Plus Wizards head coach Scott Brooks joins the show to talk about his team competing in the East without All Star John Wall.
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the Farmers Insurance opening Tory Pines, San Diego, California. Man,
that was That's gonna be awesome tomorrow. I cannot wait.
Me and Dan buy are playing in the Pro m
Up until they say, hey, you gotta go do a
radio show, and we'll say, can we let music do it?
Why don't we have the John Ramos Show. Where's Jonas Knox?
Can he fill in again? Nope? Nope, nope. I need
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the Big Boy. So I'll be doing the show after
playing uh somewhere between one and ten holes. Maybe I
have no idea in my tea time they find out
tonight there's a little party tonight and tomorrow we'll be
live in San Diego. Michael Lombardi is gonna join us.
We'll ask him about the weekend. We'll ask him about
Bob Sutton. And it was if it was Bob Sutton's
fault that both the Tony Romo and Tom Brady knew
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what Bob Sutton was doing and knew how to pick
it apart. At the end of that game. Scott Brooks
is gonna be our guest Charlie Weiss is gonna be
our guest man. We got a lot to get to
and uh, look, I will give you my thoughts on
the Hall of Fame class of two thousand nineteen and
why I personally believe they continue to get it right
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and this idea that eventually Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens
should get in is absolutely wrong. We will get to that,
maybe even take a phone call or to definitely a
tweet or a text or two at Gottlieb Show. Is
the Twitter handle eight seven seven ninety nine. Fox is
the phone number. Um, we got some saint stuff to
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talk about as now, the the whining continues out of
New Orleans and what I think the New Orleans Saints
should actually do right now. But but let's talk about,
you know, to the victor's who go to spoils. Let
let's talk about one of the two teams, the New
England Patriots. I've been married now for eighteen and a
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half years. Ramos has me beat by Is it a year? Ralmost?
I think a year? Yeah? One year and we got married. Yeah,
So Ramos has been married for nineteen years, so he
can um he can agree with or disagree with this.
John I believe has an incredible marriage, so much so
that his wife is willing to carr and carry another
one of his children at this late stage in his life,
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or she's willing to carry a child. I think it's his.
I'm kidding, of course. Anyway. The point is I think
we have I think we have pretty good relationships in
terms of standing the test of time. I have a
friend who has the same shares the same wedding anniversary
as me, and every every year on August twelve weeks
change text and it reads the same thing, which is
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say whatever you want about our marriages, but we hit
the over. Right. If there's an over under for marriages,
we hit the over. So I'm eighteen years into this thing,
and i have a really good relationship with my wife.
Is it perfect now? Right? Like I've said, just yesterday,
I was on a group text with my my wife,
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and a couple of our close friends, and I texted
something that yeah, I didn't come out the way I
wanted to, and I immediately was like, oh, sorry, my bad.
That wasn't how I how I wanted to. I shouldn't
have been texting in the middle of a of a break,
but I did, and I end up not thinking. I
didn't sleep on the couch, but it wasn't exactly warm
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and fuzzies when I was home last evening. The point
is that even the best marriages and relationships have arguments,
have disagreements, some that are going to carry a little
bit of bitterness that goes on for a while. Just
people cohabitating, people raising children, people trying to figure out
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finances in life, and you're gonna evolve as a person.
They're gonna evolve. My wife went from she hated social
media to every once in a while dropping in on
social media and becoming offended to. Now she's completely off
of social media, with the exception of every once in
a while. I operate on social media, mostly because it's
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a great way to connect with all my friends in
and out of the business, people I've played with, the
people I've played against, and it is part of what
I do and how we promote our show at Gottlieb Show.
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is broadcasting our show. But the point is that this
idea that relationships that are great don't have arguments, disagreements. Heck,
sometimes people who really care about each other spencer like,
I'm gonna go to my mom's house and I'm gonna
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go chill out, or you know how many how many
of you know? Uh have a have a friend whose
wife went on a yoga retreat. Doesn't mean the yoga
retreat has some dude waiting for her at the you
know in Panama. But the idea is sometimes women need
a chance to get away dude guys have guys trip?
Why do they do that? Because you know, the other
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sex can be really difficult. Just living with somebody for
a long time can be a pain. Even if you
really like the dig that person and you've grown up together,
this is time you're like, you know, I just need breath.
I I bring that up because the Patriots are back
in the super Bowl, and after last year's Super Bowl,
there were articles that came out that talked about a
riff between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Here's Bill Belichick
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on a Boston radio station talking about the reported tension
between him and Brady. It's been described by some people
that there have been issues that have never some of
these people, I don't know who they. I've never met him,
never talked to him. So I mean, I'm not going
to get a bunch of you know, gossip, but a
lot of stuff written. You remember the piece last year
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that you and Brady or have. Yeah, this is Tom
Brady on on the same Boston radio station addressing the
same question. You know, we've always gotten along great. We've
worked together for nineteen years. So I had the same
goals in mind for nineteen years, and he's been just
a great, great mentor in my life, a great coach.
He's taught me, you know, more than you know anyone
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ever could about the game football. You know, I've always
just loved playing here and playing for him. He's the
greatest coach of all time. And we just had some
incredible moments together. I means, it's amazing to me, Like
I actually think it's just like a marriage. My wife.
I've been We've been really lucky. My wife has two degrees.
I have one. Shill every once in a while, let
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me know about it. My wife is a straight A
student for both of those degrees. But my wife takes
care of my children. She also as even though she
don't none. Neither of her degrees are like interior design.
She's designed and redone my house and and or our house.
Excuse me, let's let's drop that one. Ramost make sure
that one doesn't right. Take one, Let's take two that
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she's designed to redone our house and houses. She just
has great, incompactable taste. But there are times in which,
kind of like Tom Brady, she sits there and feels
like she's not being appreciated because you know, look, that's
just the nature of when one person works, and one
person works but doesn't have a technical like job title,
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per se and domestic goddess is not something that's easy
to put on a tax return because there is no
financial gain. The gains are long term, not short term,
so that that's normal. It's normal when when two people work,
sometimes somebody makes more money than the other and the
other person feels like they're not getting respect within the
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in the whole grand scheme of things. None of this
is bizarre to me at all, and our I think
our reaction to it is. And it's maybe because we
saw them as mentor and mentee, Vader and the Emperor,
and if you remember, Vader and the Emperor Idio at
the end didn't get along. They got along. These do
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get along a lot better than that. Mutt and Jeff,
whatever you think about. The more I hear about the
reported tension and the more I I think about it
and understand how they've been able to co exists, the
more it seems just like a marriage. It has opposite
has downs, it has times in which you know, you
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have arguments, you are bitter. Are you getting a divorce? No, No,
absolutely not. There's a difference between a dispute and argument,
and we can't do this anymore. And it's pretty obvious
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that the benefits, the mutual benefits of the relationship are
so great that it's gonna stand the test of time.
It's gonna stand the test of time. And in the hey,
we massively overreacted to the Patriots. It wasn't just their
lack of outright speed, playmakers on defense, playmakers on offense.
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It was this thought that the end was near because
Tom Brady didn't want to go to another team. He
didn't want to be told to retire, and he didn't
want be pushed out because Jimmy Garoppolo had to be
had to be compensated at a level above that of
a backup quarterback. And you know what, he was right,
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and so is the old man. Because sometimes in arguments,
you're both right and you're both wrong at the same time.
And as long as you can continue talking about it,
you you the relationship can continue. When dialogue breaks down,
that's when a relationship breaks down. None of this, to
me is the least bit surprising, the least bit unnerving,
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and tales of the end of the relationship between Belichick
and Brady. We're greatly and completely overexaggerated. All this was
as a couple that you thought were together forever and
you saw them arguing about something, You're like, WHOA, they're arguing.
Maybe they're getting a divorce. No, they're just arguing. That
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happens between two people who have been together for nineteen years.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug dot
Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern three pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Michael
Lombardi is a former general manager in the NFL. His
new book is called Gridiron Genius, A Masterclass and Winning
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Championships and Building Dynasties in the NFL. It's on sale now.
He's also a part of three different Super champion teams.
He could download his podcast GM Street. I'm sure he'll
be out of the Super Bowl, as I will be
there next week all week live in Atlanta. Michael, how
much of the issues with the Kansas City Chiefs were
based upon the defensive coordinator? How much is based upon
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the personnel? Well, I think a little bit of both.
I mean, look, you know the final drive of the game,
Bob trying to play cover two against Tom Brady and
he threw two passes to Julian Edelman for first downs
on third and ten, and then on the one he
doubled Julian Edelman only through with the gronk, so he
was always a day late in the dollars shot. But
I think the bigger issues in this game go back
to the is just the way they play, the whole
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style of play. Look, I've said this many times before.
You've got to play complimentary football to beat the Patriots,
and you can't be in a rush to score. You
can't be the fat guy at the buffet line who
just wants to eat. You've got to take your time.
And they get the ball with three thirty two to
go in the game. They're down to twenty one and
Andy Reid refuses to let the clock work in his favor.
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He calls two passes. The second pass gets a pass
interference call. Okay, that's fine. Now we have the ball
in our own thirty seven. And he calls another two passes,
and on the second pass play he has the ball
at they own. It's another pass interference call, and now
he has the ball to Patriots forty yard line with
three oh two to go in the game, and he
still calls it incomplete pass. At some point you have
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to realize the clock and the Patriots are my opponent.
And not only did he give the Patriots the ball
back with with two minutes to go in the game,
they also had all three of their time outs. Like,
there's some theory here that's just not right, and you know,
nobody understands it. Obviously, Annie read didn't read Good Iron
Genius because it lays it out right there in the book. Yeah,
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it actually there's some parts to it. And again, I
know that the league is different, and but something like
this is kind of a Cliff Kingsbury problem, right, and
and go back. Mike Leach has had this problem for years,
which is the idea of you run these offenses with
put up a lot of numbers, put up a lot
of points. And I know that the offenses are different, Michael, I,
I'm not comparing Andrey, but still the idea of high
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powered offenses that depend upon throwing the football and you
get into a playoff game and you can't control clock
even when you have a lead. Sometimes you end up
wearing your defense out there. There are some similarities there
the the complementary football. It also works in basketball, right,
you gotta play the same style on defense that fits
with your offense, no doubt, and the Chiefs just refused
to do it. Look, the other factor is you got
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to go into the game saying to yourself, Okay, for
us to win this game, we have to have a
big game from Chris Jones. We've gotta have a big
game from Dfour. We've gotta have a big game from
Justin Houston. We've got to have Travis Kelsey and Tyreek
Hill make big plays. And those five players, but the
top six players of the of the Chiefs, Mahomas being
the six, they didn't do anything. They didn't make any
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contributions in the game. Now, Tyreek Hill had one catch
for forty two yards. But I was preaching all week
long on betting across America on my show there. I
talked about it on my podcast. They should have made
Tyreek Hill a running back. Doug. You you're an Oklahoma
State graduate, you know how good of a back Tyreek
Hill was at Oklahoma State. He I had, I had
an I had a player personnel, and guy tell me
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that he's the fastest player he's ever scouted. Ever. Used
to do my scouting report on him as coming out
at Oklahoma State before he transferred Alfred to West Alabama,
and to not get him and to and to not
get him the football is criminal, right, I mean, like,
but you knew he wasn't going to get the ball
if you lined him up at receiver, because Belichick was
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gonna double in the minute he got off the bus
at the stadium. There was no way he wasn't going
to have a guy playing under him and on top
of him. You can't double Tyreek Hill in and out.
You have to double them high low high low means
you've got this guy trail them on all the inside
routes and a guy on top. So we can't catch
the ball when you double him in out. Randy Moss
used to just run through in and out doubles. Nobody
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had him on top. That's not what he did. And
so the only way you can get him the football
is you line him up in the back. Said if
you came out in a leven personnel but had Tyreek
Kills the back, one back, one tight end. Now, Belichick,
how does he work as doubles. He's got three receivers
he's gotta handle on the field. Even if the third
receiver is as slow as I am, you still gotta
go cover them. But yet they don't change what they're doing.
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And it was so easy to understand what they were
gonna do, but yet nobody reacted to it. And you
know that's why they lost. Meanwhile, Tom Brady is in
another super Bowl. It's his ninth Super Bowl and he
he didn't play perfect right. Interception the first half's on him,
I thought. Interception the second half also on him that
was high and hot on a bad past at him
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in a little bit late as well. Nonetheless, I mean,
a couple of championship drives from a guy who doesn't
have a ton of weaponry, and he he picks Bob
Sutton's defense. Apart um, how would you, as a as
a guy who spent his entire professional life around professional
football and has been in that Patriots organization, how would
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you characterize Brady's ability to deliver again on the road
at forty one years old. I mean, but it's remarkable,
but it's the team. I mean, look the key, that's
what people miss. Brady's great Brady through an interception I
got called back D four line up. We probably wouldn't
be having this conversation if D four could just line
up on sides. But we are because their team is remarkable.
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I mean, they committed two turnovers, had over five hundred
yards of offense. That team shouldn't even have been as
close as it was. Their team's remarkable. They don't have
the best team. Everybody talked all year about the Chiefs,
the Saints, the Bears, and the Chargers Chargers too by
Charges Chargners, you know, and they all have better teams
than the Patriots. But the Patriots played the best. The
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Patriots understand how to play complimentary football. The Patriots understand
how to take away what you do well. The Patriots
also understand that getting better during the end of the year.
I mean, if you have to practice and you've got
to practice in January and you've got to practice in December,
and now they're playing at their best. I mean, on paper,
they should have never won this game. It's not even close.
But they did because they understood how to play the game,
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which is, you know, being a basketball guy is nine
times out of ten in single limitation. Elimination is how
you win games. Most of the times. The teams you
never shaid Marylyn Baltimore is not better than Virginia. They
just played a game that was better. And they also
and they also exposed mismatches, right, And that's the other part.
They exposed mismatches that you know, Virginia because they had
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to play two big guys, they played small and they
exposed mismatches, which is the exact same thing the Patriots
Patriots did. Um Michael Lombardi, our guest on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, I said yesterday that, look, I would agree
it's a blown call, but uh shooting, shouldn't Sean Payne
had run the ball first second, third down, you know
where the Rams had to use their time out to
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kick the field goal, got it back to them with
fifty seconds to go, and said, all right, you know
you're gonna tire beat us what we shrunk the clock on.
You mean that doesn't does Shouldn't he get a little
bit more blame? Well? I think he should. I mean, look,
let's say he called a control pass. I don't think
Drew Brees played well at all in the game. And
I mean that's really reality. He did not play well.
Drew Brees looked every bit of forty years old in
that game. He did not play to the level they
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needed him to, and there was an opportunity on that
third down play. All he's gotta do is throw the
ball to Michael Thomas. It's a control pass. Look, when
you're in that situation, you say to yourself, look we
need to run or control pass. If you've got a
control pass you like, which really was an easy throw,
you and I could make that throw right and Thomas
is going to catch you. The class is gonna get running.
It doesn't excuse the decision, but you can understand what
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they were trying to accomplish. If they were trying to
throw a curl or trying to score a touchdown, you
can't forgive them, but they weren't. And so yeah, I
think you know. Look, the call is a disaster. In
two of the three leagues, Doug, the n C two
A and Canadian Football League that call is overturned. But
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only in our league do they guys keep the whistle
in their mouth. So how do you fix it? Well,
I mean in the Canadian Football League that you're allowed
the challenge past interference. In in the n C two
A helmet the helmets reviewed upstairs and in both cases
in that game it was helmet the helmet, and it
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was past interference, so that that would have eliminated it.
So if you want to challenge past interference, let coaches
challenge it. If you're dumb enough to challenge a completed
passing a past interference call in the first quarter of
a game, then God, God, God bless you save it
for the right time. Put the onus on the coaches
when to use it and when not to use it.
Big point, but to me to let that let legacies
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be determined. This is really what's happened. I mean, Sean
mcdigh is a great coach and the Rams are a
great but they're going to the super Bowl with a
tainted image. They shouldn't be there. This is a legacy.
This is financially going to impact lives. Coaches don't get
bonuses because they lost that game. The organizations don't get
a chance to go to the super Bowl. They don't
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get a chance to do something that's the most impossible
thing to do with lot because to enjoy a Super
Bowl experience because a guy couldn't make the right call.
Unheard of. Michael Lombardi joining us on The Doug Gotlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio how do they How do
you think the Rams match up of the Patriots with
the two weeks to prepare for each each side? Well,
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I mean, I think it'll be a challenge for the Rams.
I think what you'll see from the Patriots is the
same thing we saw what they did to Patrick Mahomes.
They're gonna rush Dereed Golf inside. And when the Saints
rushed Jared Goff inside, he was not effected. When they
rushed him from the outside and he had time to
throw the ball, he was more effective in the pain
is where the Patriots are going to try to get
their game. That's what they did to Mahomes. They rushed
them straight down the middle, forced Mahomes to back out
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of the pocket, not go right or left. This challenge
is God's not going right or left, but he wants
to step up. They're gonna force him inside. You know,
all that being said, it's even you know, the play
was horrible, right The past interference call that was never
called in the overtime is justice egregious. We just don't
talk about it, right, I mean that call that ball
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wasn't tipped, just like Julian Aliman didn't touch that ball
and we reviewed it and got the right got the
right call that ball wasn't tipped. His arm was hit,
but the ball wasn't tipped. And if the ball wasn't tipped,
that's pass interferance. So so so, Um here here's my
question about Brady. It's the season wasn't easy, but of
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course he's rightfully taking a victory lap. The thing started
with him beating the Rams. It could end within beating.
Can you see a scenario in which they win the
game and he says, I'm good, I'm done. No, I
can't say. He loves it too much. He loves to win.
I think I think well they'll do is which typical
New England. They'll both go, They'll think about ten days
off and will come back. Belicheck will get his mac
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out and I'll start working on next year and he'll
forget to even want anything this year. They'll just go on.
They just just unless something dramatically is going to change
in terms of an injury or just I can't play anymore.
It's gonna keep going until somebody tells me we can't play.
Um the uh. John Gruden, who you've worked with before,
came out and said, look, I'm throwing out I'm throwing
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out all the normal kind of stereotypes for for quarterbacks
because the league is changing, the league's evolving, and I
think that that relates to Kyler Murray, the idea that
he's too small and plays out of the pocket too much.
Do you buy that that the league has changed that
much that a five ft nine athlete can be a
starting quarterback? I don't. I mean, look, do you buy
what John says about players? And then go back and
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watch some of those some of those Gruden things, and
you have fifty quarterbacks on this team. He didn't see
what he did. He's the Will Rogers of scouting. He
loves every one of them. I mean, so yeah, of
course he's gonna love Kyler Murray. Will he pick him?
Hell though he knows he can't sit back there with
a five nine quarterback that can't see over the offensive alignment.
I mean, at some point you've got to stand in
the pocket, look down to the other make a throw
at the tight quarters. It's hard to do if you
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if you're five ft nine, God just didn't make you
tall enough to see it. It's gonna be a challenge,
you say, well, Russell Wilson, Lombardi Russell. Wilson makes most
of his plays outside the pocket when he's forced to
throw it from behind me. The same thing with Baker Maysfield.
Baker Mayfield was sensational this year, but really Baker Mayfield.
People didn't pocket control Baker Mayfield as well as they
should and allow him to get out, and that's where
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he was dangerous. Um Who who does Antonio Brown fit with?
He seems to want to go to San Francisco, but
it doesn't. The money doesn't make sense considering how much
they already have in Garoppolo to have it on two
offensive players, that doesn't seem to make sense. Where does
he fit? But if you can better figure it out
where he fits in terms of his character and what
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you're buying into. You want to pay a guy that
much money, you know, then you've got to make sure
you understand what you're getting into. Remember we just witnessing
this in front of God and everybody. It's not the
most talented team that wins. It's a team that is
placed together that wins. And that's what you better make
sure you understand. Look, I think Antonio Brown is a
great player. I think he's sensational, but I would be
reluctant to make a trade for him to give up
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a huge asset if I didn't know what I was
getting into. I'm with you, great stuff, Michael um again.
His book is Gridiron Genius. You can pick it up
at Amazon dot com and you can also download his
podcast GM Street. Michael Lombardi, who has spent his entire
professional life building winning football teams. He's been kind of
to Jonas throughout the season. Michael, thanks so much for
joining us. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Doug Dot Leaps Show weekdays at noon Eastern three pm Pacific.
Always a pleasure to have on a good friend of mine,
a guy who I idolized going up watching and play
at u C Irvine and have watched his his coaching
career as a head coach with the Oklahoma City Thunder
and now the Washington Wizards, and he joined me on
the podcast this year. Scott Brooks joins us on The
Doug got Leap Show. The Wizards are winners of two
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in a row of four of their last five and um,
when I watched the Washington watched the Pistons game the
other night, and I remember thinking, I wonder if this
in there was any scenario when we last spoke Scottie
that you thought this would be your starting lineup in
a game, right that you thought there was the possibility
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that this would be your starting lineup. What has been
it's been like for you? No way in heck I
would have thought that. Um, it's been a it's been
a challenging year. You know, We've had a lot of
tough injury, you know, Dwight going into the summer, we
wanted to show up some interior defenders and we and
a rebounder and we we we have that in Dwight.
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Unfortunately yet basically been hurt all year and hopefully, you know,
he can come back later in the season. But right now,
Thomas Bryan has come in and stepped in. I didn't
know anything about him last year. He was cut by
the Lakers this past summer and didn't play much all
all last season. But having him as our starting five
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is really really blossomed and do a really good player.
And you know John missing, you know, even though the
John only played, he's gonna miss over fifty games or
right right at fifty games. So the thirty games that
he played He wasn't the John that we all you
know love and all star John. He was banged up,
his bone spurn, his hill bothered him most of the year.
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So just a change of things. Going into the season,
not expecting all this to happen. But I think we're battling.
We've won seven out of our last ten. We kind
of got a nice little groove right now. We're got
a tough one coming up against Golden State Thursday night.
But I think our guys are really playing well. Um,
but before you won seven of ten, you lost nine
of eleven, and you know, people are predicting gloom and
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doom and John John shuts it down. For the year
you've actually been to like you're the only guy that's
been through this before. Like people forget your last year
in Oklahoma City. Katie was hurt. Everybody was hurt, right,
I mean you had patchwork lineup. How did that experience
prepare you for this? It helped a lot because one
of the things I always a minor players that don't
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give in that just you know what, we're banged up.
We got we got next man up mentality, and we
did that in Oklahoma. I didn't we end up winning
forty six games where basically everybody was hurt and we
were playing Nicholson at the three at times. Uh, but
you know what it helps. Then last year, you know,
with John missing forty one day, it's just this guy's
an opportunity to step up. You know, it's hard to
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win in this league and went at the high level
and to get to the places that you feel like
you can get to if you don't have a healthy lineup.
But when you do have in these guys have to
step up. And sometimes it happens and you don't expect it,
like last season or the guy that we I didn't
expect that Thomas Adaranski would come in and play as
well as he did last year. Now he's kind of
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used to that role and he's came he's coming in now, Uh,
played well. Now this year it's Thomas Thomas de Bryant.
I didn't know anything about him. And Dwight gets hurt.
He stepped in and playing as well, and you know
he's one of the best siggle percentage of not the
best in the league of making shots right around the basket. Yeah,
it's it's a pretty remarkable. Um Brad's a guy who
I think most people think should be an All Star,
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maybe maybe as a reserve. And and Brad has I
mean he hasn't necessarily openly opine, but there have been
people like, huh, I wonder if he could something, could
it could be his team? Um, what's Brad bial been
like since John went down? Since he's had to carry
the load and like, look, I mean it takes a
lot of effort to to to go get twenty five
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shots night and then defend at the other end. What's
he been like? He's been you know what, I'm impressed
with him. Three years now, we've been together, and he's
improved every year. I thought he was just, you know,
coming into the job three years ago, I thought, you know,
he was just a score, you know, a guy that
can you know, catch and shoot, make threes and come
off with pin downs and stuff like that. But he's
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he's really developed. He's a he's a playmaker, and he's
a complete basketball player. You get the fans he rebound,
he uh, he scores, and he sprinkles in an offense
all over the floor. It's just not a shooter. He's
not driving. I could played pick and roll. He's he's
one of the best two way players in the definitely
at All Star. He's carried us. You know, he's had
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we've had games where we we didn't we didn't play
too well, but he got us going and he's great,
and he's great in the locker room, he's great and
during time outs and he's been a tremendous leader for
him team. You know, Otto Porter has missed uh, he
missed uh. I think Canada twelve games in that stretch.
Now Mark Keith Morris is out for six weeks and
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Brad has been that guy that really really helped us
win a lot of these games recently. Yeah, that that's
kind of my point. I mean you've had Auto out,
you have Mark kif out. Do you get Dwight out?
You got John Wall out? Um, I did want to
ask you, like, I mean you're coaching that game you
guys play was Toronto? I think it was last week, right,
It was like double ot game and they both go
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for like one and forty three and that was and
I felt like like stepping up your game and a
kind of a high level game like you know in
the NBA there are certain games are just differ and
than others. That one felt like a high level game,
and and Brad's ability to raise his level that night
might have been the most impressive of any of these
games since John went down. Yeah, I agree, and he
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I thought he stepped up and I thought he even
grew up a little bit in that game. Even though
we lost the game double overtime. It was too high
level All Stars competing at a high level on both ends,
and they both took the challenge of guarding and making
place for their team with Client and and Brad, Brad
is I mean, Brad is really good. I mean, I
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know this is the last thing All start team for
the first time, and there's no question in my mind
he's an All Star. Nor record is not where we
would like it to be, but you know, I think
we've improved and I think we can get pretty good
as this season goes along. And it's a big part
of his All Star play. How much different is the
East without Lebron In the East, it's it's wide open,
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no matter what any any coach or any players say.
Lebron had that had the East, you know, for eight
years in a row, and he got a lot of
players cut, a lot of coaches fired, and he's just
I mean, he's that dominant. He's he's gonna go down.
I mean, this is nothing that nobody's said. He's gonna
go down as one of the greatest players to ever play.
And the thing that is really impressed it as is,
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I Q, you play against Lebron. He knows exactly what
you're running. And there's times where I would call a
play knowing that we don't even have that play and
he looked at me, you know how to play? I mean,
that's that's how that's how smart he is. He just
knows everybody's everybody's set. But it's open. You know, there's
a lot of good teams. They're stepped up. Milwaukee is
stepped up, Toronto stepped up to Ladelphia, and Boston is
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gonna be there, and there's gonna be Indiana's in there,
and there's there's some good teams in the in the East,
and they're gonna have opportunities. Hopefully we can get into
the mix and become a playoff team. It runs counter
to everything you're saying and everything part of your makeup,
but there's always gonna be a fan that says, like, hey,
John walls out, Dwight Howard's out. More Wars is out, coach?
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Why are you trying to win games? You're better off
losing games? Right? Like? They look and it and it's
worked Milwaukee, Milwaukee. People forget Milwaukee tanked that. That's how
they've loaded up their roster. The Sixers obviously tanked the Celtics.
You go back in, they they tanked every It has
worked for other people. Why not why not explore that
or actually the play younger players at the end of games?
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Why why continue to try and compete? Yeah, I just
think that's how we're wired. That's how our team is wired.
That's where our players are wired. And we want to
we want to win as many games. You know, we're
not healthy, but we can still compete at a high level.
And the game is about playing hard. And if you've
got talented players that don't play hard, you're not gonna
win a lot of games. But if you've got guys
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that are going to compete and connected with one another,
and I think that's what we have right now. We
are connected. We're moving the ball. I mean the last
ten games, I think we're one of the top teams
in the league and defense and we're one of the
top team in the league in passing. So those those
two fans hand and hands success. And I understand, you
know some fans may think that, but it's it's about
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you know, you gotta do. You gotta do what's what's
what you feel is right and what our team fills
is right and that is one game and we want
to compete and we feel like we have a chance
to do that every night. You've seen the Rockets up close.
You talk about ball movement, which you know Toronto went
to that kind of last year, trying to move the
ball so it doesn't get sticky. Obviously, some of it
is because of of injury, but Harden is putting up
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these crazy numbers and some a portion of it is
because of pace, a portion of is because the number
of the number of threes they're taking he's taken specifically,
a portion of it's because of of his usage rate.
Um Ken, you can you play that way and and
play in the in the in the playoffs, I mean,
don't you don't you run the risk of wearing your
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guy out because I mean he's he's carrying so much
of the load right now for one team. I mean,
from outside looking in, I mean they have to do
just from all their injuries. With Chris Paul out, I
mean they're built a team has built on a lot
of good three point shooters and descenders on the wing,
with James and and Chris handling the duty of making
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place for one another. And you know, when they have
a Chris Paul healthy and James doesn't have to have
these forties and fifty point games night in the night out.
But I'll tell you what I've coached him for three years.
The guy is a competitor. He's a winner, and he
competes and he's never he's never backed down from a
sore body. He goes out there and practices every day
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and he knows that their team has banged up and
in order for them, because they were below five hundreds,
in order for them to get back into the playoff
next he had to take his game to another level.
And he's playing like an m v P again. And
you know, it's it's impressive, you know, outside looking at
it's I love watching their games, even though you know,
I know they can't do this for forever. But you know, James,
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if anybody can't, a guy has has a body that
could just keep playing forever and ever, and he's he's
one of those guys that he carries their team night
in the night out. I can't ask you about a
guy who plays for Duke in college because I don't
want to get you in trouble. But they have been comparison, well,
they've been comparisons made to Barkley. And if you listen
to our podcast together, you know Barkley he took you
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in as a as a roommate because he thought you
were going to get cut obviously, but he's one of
your closest friends in the sport is Charles Barkley. I've
I've tried to tell people, like people called in the
round Mountain rebound, but he was a freak athletically. You
played with Barkley during some of his peak years in Philadelphia.
What was Charles Barkley's game? Actually? Like, well, the people
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people they've seen this forget pretty easily. That guy was
a freak athlete. That guy had the best second jump
that I've ever been around. I mean he would that
ball would go up and he would get he would
tip the ball and everybody would fight for the ball
and the next thing you know, he's up again and
while everybody is still, you know, on the floor looking up.
So you know, I got to get back to this
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rebound to get the second, you know, the second chance
at it. The guy was as fast as most stars.
I mean we were sprints. You have teams back then
when you're allowed to run sprints. He was on the
line and Charles will be right there with all of us,
most cheeks myself. The guy was fast, He was athletic,
He had great I hand coordination, He had long arms,
you know, he just he had a knack for the
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ball and he had then. He was a great teammate,
was fun to be around, and he was a great leader.
And you know what I think people seem to forget
how get some of these older players quarter back then?
And they played every night, They played a lot of minutes.
They travel was different, they were they were tough and
nothing against the game. Now the game is, I think
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is it's a beautiful, beautiful game. It was starting to
get become football a little bit. But now. But back then,
man Charles Barkley was one of the best players ever
played the game. No, no question. It was it was
more like I do think and he jokes about being
fat and and you know he's an older he's an
older guy. Now he doesn't obviously move around and we
see him on the golf course with the hitch and
his swing and so people, I do think and I
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think his nickname round mound of Remo and makes you
think that he wasn't Go back and watch remember the
NBA Superstars vhs is and you're like, oh my god,
he was a he was an absolute freak last thing,
and I know you gotta go. Um, Alex Smith came
in your locker room yesterday. This is first real public
appearance since breaking his leg. Uh, what was what was
that like? Because I mean, he's obviously a beloved figure
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in football. His that didn't look great like. I mean,
he was in good spirits, but that looks like I
didn't I didn't get the chance to talk to him.
But you know, just looking at that injury and I'm
just glad he's out about and on his way to
recover and he's he's, from what I hear, is one
of the great guys in the sport and just a
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con tremendous competitors. Hate to go out that way, and
you know they brought him in this year to lead
them to the playoffs, and unfortunately he wasn't able to
finish the job that he was brought in to do.
Hopefully you can bounce back and and come back and
do it again next season. Yeah. No, Listen, there's there's
some early similarities there right between you guys and the Redskins. Right,
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he breaks his leg and then his backup Colte McCoy
like breaks his leg. Unlike kind of innocuous play, like
a massive injuries in the defensive side of the ball.
I don't know what's going on in d C, but
guys are just guys, are just guys just falling out,
just completely falling out with injuries. We have both both
both organizations had a tough time. But we're playing and
we're playing well. So I'm looking at the bonds of
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side and things are looking up right now, and you know,
we gotta we got a pretty easy one coming up
Thursday night. Golden State. You know plays the foundiness of three,
isn't he? Um? He had ten last night? Like I mean,
I don't. I mean, it's just it's just I don't
actually think that. Hey, Mrs last one, you know, didn't
this is last one? What what's the most what's the
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most you ever hit in the college game. I have
forty three points. I think I made nine three one game.
Not that I think I know exactly how I mean
I made. I made. I don't give I think because
and people didn't know. Like you see, Irvine had a
lot of studs, and you guys used to play fast
and shoot threes before everybody else played fast and three.
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We played modern day basketball back in the back in
the eighties. Um, who's of the three who's the toughest
to prepare for as a coach of the three guys
on the Golden State, Oh man, they're so hard. I
mean Curry, we that last game we played him up
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in their place. I swear he made. He made eleven
shots that were nearly impossible that you might make one
in the game. He made eleven of them. And he's
almost impossible to prepare for because he takes shots that
you're saying, Okay, that's a good shot for him to
take him Bang, it's it's three points, and then they
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get a turn, they get a still, and another crazy
outlet pad bang another three points. But Katie, you know
I coached him for seven years and you know he's
nearly impossible to stop. Also, I don't think you can.
When he misses, it's because he misses the ball named Clay.
Obviously he's on a hot streak right now. So we're
we have our handsful, but we're looking forward to the challenge.
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Is it Is it fair enough? Like again, I'm sorry,
because I know you do have to go and we
gotta go to but but like the best way to
contextualize is kind of what you said about Steph, which
is he's changed. There used to be this, there's a
good shot a bad shot, and it's not doesn't mean
you can't make it. It's a percentage of times you
make it that a coach would say that's a good shot,
that's bad shot. He's changed the sport because of it,
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because what's a good shot for him? When he can
make He's making of his threes and everybody knows it's coming,
and a lot of them are contested. You know, he's
he's off off a crossover. You taught not to shoot
off a crossover. He can go left, he go right
and go catch and shoot step back deep deep range.
He's changed how we view what a good shot is
and what a bad shot is. Based on the percentage
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of times he can make shots said previously, we're very
very low percentage. There's there's no that's exactly right the court.
I mean, if everybody can see the game through his eyes,
we would see a different court. What the game and
how I used to see it and how I see
it now, I don't see it the way he sees it.
But he, I mean, he there's no there's no bad
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shot for him. And I really believe that. I'm sure
Coach Curtis says the same thing. There's no bad shot.
Certain guys in the league, they can take any shot
they can possibly throw up there because there's a chance
that thing is going in. And he what he's done
is amazing to be able to change the game at
the way he has changed it. Um, I want you
to walk down to Steve and make sure you tell
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him when you face the Warriors. Listen, if I played
in the triangle, if I played opposite Mike and all
I had to do is sit there and make jump shots,
I would have rings too. Just I want you to
make sure you just mentioned that, Tim and tell him.
Then te him I told you to say that, good enough,
All right, done, done, that's easy, all right. We'll see
at yoga. Saw tell him that all right, cool, it's
ill see when you're yoga. Thanks so much for joining us.
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All right, man, I'll see you
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Up until they say, hey, you gotta go do a
radio show, and we'll say, can we let music do it?
Why don't we have the John Ramos Show. Where's Jonas Knox?
Can he fill in again? Nope? Nope, nope. I need
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the Big Boy. So I'll be doing the show after
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We'll ask him about the weekend. We'll ask him about
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(01:31):
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is gonna be our guest Charlie Weiss is gonna be
our guest man. We got a lot to get to
and uh, look, I will give you my thoughts on
the Hall of Fame class of two thousand nineteen and
why I personally believe they continue to get it right
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and this idea that eventually Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens
should get in is absolutely wrong. We will get to that,
maybe even take a phone call or to definitely a
tweet or a text or two at Gottlieb Show. Is
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the phone number. Um, we got some saint stuff to
(02:11):
talk about as now, the the whining continues out of
New Orleans and what I think the New Orleans Saints
should actually do right now. But but let's talk about,
you know, to the victor's who go to spoils. Let
let's talk about one of the two teams, the New
England Patriots. I've been married now for eighteen and a
(02:31):
half years. Ramos has me beat by Is it a year? Ralmost?
I think a year? Yeah? One year and we got married. Yeah,
So Ramos has been married for nineteen years, so he
can um he can agree with or disagree with this.
John I believe has an incredible marriage, so much so
that his wife is willing to carr and carry another
one of his children at this late stage in his life,
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or she's willing to carry a child. I think it's his.
I'm kidding, of course. Anyway. The point is I think
we have I think we have pretty good relationships in
terms of standing the test of time. I have a
friend who has the same shares the same wedding anniversary
as me, and every every year on August twelve weeks
change text and it reads the same thing, which is
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say whatever you want about our marriages, but we hit
the over. Right. If there's an over under for marriages,
we hit the over. So I'm eighteen years into this thing,
and i have a really good relationship with my wife.
Is it perfect now? Right? Like I've said, just yesterday,
I was on a group text with my my wife,
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and a couple of our close friends, and I texted
something that yeah, I didn't come out the way I
wanted to, and I immediately was like, oh, sorry, my bad.
That wasn't how I how I wanted to. I shouldn't
have been texting in the middle of a of a break,
but I did, and I end up not thinking. I
didn't sleep on the couch, but it wasn't exactly warm
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and fuzzies when I was home last evening. The point
is that even the best marriages and relationships have arguments,
have disagreements, some that are going to carry a little
bit of bitterness that goes on for a while. Just
people cohabitating, people raising children, people trying to figure out
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finances in life, and you're gonna evolve as a person.
They're gonna evolve. My wife went from she hated social
media to every once in a while dropping in on
social media and becoming offended to. Now she's completely off
of social media, with the exception of every once in
a while. I operate on social media, mostly because it's
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a great way to connect with all my friends in
and out of the business, people I've played with, the
people I've played against, and it is part of what
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is broadcasting our show. But the point is that this
idea that relationships that are great don't have arguments, disagreements. Heck,
sometimes people who really care about each other spencer like,
I'm gonna go to my mom's house and I'm gonna
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go chill out, or you know how many how many
of you know? Uh have a have a friend whose
wife went on a yoga retreat. Doesn't mean the yoga
retreat has some dude waiting for her at the you
know in Panama. But the idea is sometimes women need
a chance to get away dude guys have guys trip?
Why do they do that? Because you know, the other
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sex can be really difficult. Just living with somebody for
a long time can be a pain. Even if you
really like the dig that person and you've grown up together,
this is time you're like, you know, I just need breath.
I I bring that up because the Patriots are back
in the super Bowl, and after last year's Super Bowl,
there were articles that came out that talked about a
riff between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Here's Bill Belichick
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on a Boston radio station talking about the reported tension
between him and Brady. It's been described by some people
that there have been issues that have never some of
these people, I don't know who they. I've never met him,
never talked to him. So I mean, I'm not going
to get a bunch of you know, gossip, but a
lot of stuff written. You remember the piece last year
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that you and Brady or have. Yeah, this is Tom
Brady on on the same Boston radio station addressing the
same question. You know, we've always gotten along great. We've
worked together for nineteen years. So I had the same
goals in mind for nineteen years, and he's been just
a great, great mentor in my life, a great coach.
He's taught me, you know, more than you know anyone
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ever could about the game football. You know, I've always
just loved playing here and playing for him. He's the
greatest coach of all time. And we just had some
incredible moments together. I means, it's amazing to me, Like
I actually think it's just like a marriage. My wife.
I've been We've been really lucky. My wife has two degrees.
I have one. Shill every once in a while, let
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me know about it. My wife is a straight A
student for both of those degrees. But my wife takes
care of my children. She also as even though she
don't none. Neither of her degrees are like interior design.
She's designed and redone my house and and or our house.
Excuse me, let's let's drop that one. Ramost make sure
that one doesn't right. Take one, Let's take two that
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she's designed to redone our house and houses. She just
has great, incompactable taste. But there are times in which,
kind of like Tom Brady, she sits there and feels
like she's not being appreciated because you know, look, that's
just the nature of when one person works, and one
person works but doesn't have a technical like job title,
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per se and domestic goddess is not something that's easy
to put on a tax return because there is no
financial gain. The gains are long term, not short term,
so that that's normal. It's normal when when two people work,
sometimes somebody makes more money than the other and the
other person feels like they're not getting respect within the
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in the whole grand scheme of things. None of this
is bizarre to me at all, and our I think
our reaction to it is. And it's maybe because we
saw them as mentor and mentee, Vader and the Emperor,
and if you remember, Vader and the Emperor Idio at
the end didn't get along. They got along. These do
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get along a lot better than that. Mutt and Jeff,
whatever you think about. The more I hear about the
reported tension and the more I I think about it
and understand how they've been able to co exists, the
more it seems just like a marriage. It has opposite
has downs, it has times in which you know, you
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have arguments, you are bitter. Are you getting a divorce? No, No,
absolutely not. There's a difference between a dispute and argument,
and we can't do this anymore. And it's pretty obvious
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that the benefits, the mutual benefits of the relationship are
so great that it's gonna stand the test of time.
It's gonna stand the test of time. And in the hey,
we massively overreacted to the Patriots. It wasn't just their
lack of outright speed, playmakers on defense, playmakers on offense.
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It was this thought that the end was near because
Tom Brady didn't want to go to another team. He
didn't want to be told to retire, and he didn't
want be pushed out because Jimmy Garoppolo had to be
had to be compensated at a level above that of
a backup quarterback. And you know what, he was right,
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and so is the old man. Because sometimes in arguments,
you're both right and you're both wrong at the same time.
And as long as you can continue talking about it,
you you the relationship can continue. When dialogue breaks down,
that's when a relationship breaks down. None of this, to
me is the least bit surprising, the least bit unnerving,
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and tales of the end of the relationship between Belichick
and Brady. We're greatly and completely overexaggerated. All this was
as a couple that you thought were together forever and
you saw them arguing about something, You're like, WHOA, they're arguing.
Maybe they're getting a divorce. No, they're just arguing. That
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happens between two people who have been together for nineteen years.
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He's also a part of three different Super champion teams.
He could download his podcast GM Street. I'm sure he'll
be out of the Super Bowl, as I will be
there next week all week live in Atlanta. Michael, how
much of the issues with the Kansas City Chiefs were
based upon the defensive coordinator? How much is based upon
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the personnel? Well, I think a little bit of both.
I mean, look, you know the final drive of the game,
Bob trying to play cover two against Tom Brady and
he threw two passes to Julian Edelman for first downs
on third and ten, and then on the one he
doubled Julian Edelman only through with the gronk, so he
was always a day late in the dollars shot. But
I think the bigger issues in this game go back
to the is just the way they play, the whole
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style of play. Look, I've said this many times before.
You've got to play complimentary football to beat the Patriots,
and you can't be in a rush to score. You
can't be the fat guy at the buffet line who
just wants to eat. You've got to take your time.
And they get the ball with three thirty two to
go in the game. They're down to twenty one and
Andy Reid refuses to let the clock work in his favor.
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He calls two passes. The second pass gets a pass
interference call. Okay, that's fine. Now we have the ball
in our own thirty seven. And he calls another two passes,
and on the second pass play he has the ball
at they own. It's another pass interference call, and now
he has the ball to Patriots forty yard line with
three oh two to go in the game, and he
still calls it incomplete pass. At some point you have
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to realize the clock and the Patriots are my opponent.
And not only did he give the Patriots the ball
back with with two minutes to go in the game,
they also had all three of their time outs. Like,
there's some theory here that's just not right, and you know,
nobody understands it. Obviously, Annie read didn't read Good Iron
Genius because it lays it out right there in the book. Yeah,
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it actually there's some parts to it. And again, I
know that the league is different, and but something like
this is kind of a Cliff Kingsbury problem, right, and
and go back. Mike Leach has had this problem for years,
which is the idea of you run these offenses with
put up a lot of numbers, put up a lot
of points. And I know that the offenses are different, Michael, I,
I'm not comparing Andrey, but still the idea of high
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powered offenses that depend upon throwing the football and you
get into a playoff game and you can't control clock
even when you have a lead. Sometimes you end up
wearing your defense out there. There are some similarities there
the the complementary football. It also works in basketball, right,
you gotta play the same style on defense that fits
with your offense, no doubt, and the Chiefs just refused
to do it. Look, the other factor is you got
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to go into the game saying to yourself, Okay, for
us to win this game, we have to have a
big game from Chris Jones. We've gotta have a big
game from Dfour. We've gotta have a big game from
Justin Houston. We've got to have Travis Kelsey and Tyreek
Hill make big plays. And those five players, but the
top six players of the of the Chiefs, Mahomas being
the six, they didn't do anything. They didn't make any
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contributions in the game. Now, Tyreek Hill had one catch
for forty two yards. But I was preaching all week
long on betting across America on my show there. I
talked about it on my podcast. They should have made
Tyreek Hill a running back. Doug. You you're an Oklahoma
State graduate, you know how good of a back Tyreek
Hill was at Oklahoma State. He I had, I had
an I had a player personnel, and guy tell me
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that he's the fastest player he's ever scouted. Ever. Used
to do my scouting report on him as coming out
at Oklahoma State before he transferred Alfred to West Alabama,
and to not get him and to and to not
get him the football is criminal, right, I mean, like,
but you knew he wasn't going to get the ball
if you lined him up at receiver, because Belichick was
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gonna double in the minute he got off the bus
at the stadium. There was no way he wasn't going
to have a guy playing under him and on top
of him. You can't double Tyreek Hill in and out.
You have to double them high low high low means
you've got this guy trail them on all the inside
routes and a guy on top. So we can't catch
the ball when you double him in out. Randy Moss
used to just run through in and out doubles. Nobody
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had him on top. That's not what he did. And
so the only way you can get him the football
is you line him up in the back. Said if
you came out in a leven personnel but had Tyreek
Kills the back, one back, one tight end. Now, Belichick,
how does he work as doubles. He's got three receivers
he's gotta handle on the field. Even if the third
receiver is as slow as I am, you still gotta
go cover them. But yet they don't change what they're doing.
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And it was so easy to understand what they were
gonna do, but yet nobody reacted to it. And you
know that's why they lost. Meanwhile, Tom Brady is in
another super Bowl. It's his ninth Super Bowl and he
he didn't play perfect right. Interception the first half's on him,
I thought. Interception the second half also on him that
was high and hot on a bad past at him
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in a little bit late as well. Nonetheless, I mean,
a couple of championship drives from a guy who doesn't
have a ton of weaponry, and he he picks Bob
Sutton's defense. Apart um, how would you, as a as
a guy who spent his entire professional life around professional
football and has been in that Patriots organization, how would
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you characterize Brady's ability to deliver again on the road
at forty one years old. I mean, but it's remarkable,
but it's the team. I mean, look the key, that's
what people miss. Brady's great Brady through an interception I
got called back D four line up. We probably wouldn't
be having this conversation if D four could just line
up on sides. But we are because their team is remarkable.
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I mean, they committed two turnovers, had over five hundred
yards of offense. That team shouldn't even have been as
close as it was. Their team's remarkable. They don't have
the best team. Everybody talked all year about the Chiefs,
the Saints, the Bears, and the Chargers Chargers too by
Charges Chargners, you know, and they all have better teams
than the Patriots. But the Patriots played the best. The
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Patriots understand how to play complimentary football. The Patriots understand
how to take away what you do well. The Patriots
also understand that getting better during the end of the year.
I mean, if you have to practice and you've got
to practice in January and you've got to practice in December,
and now they're playing at their best. I mean, on paper,
they should have never won this game. It's not even close.
But they did because they understood how to play the game,
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which is, you know, being a basketball guy is nine
times out of ten in single limitation. Elimination is how
you win games. Most of the times. The teams you
never shaid Marylyn Baltimore is not better than Virginia. They
just played a game that was better. And they also
and they also exposed mismatches, right, And that's the other part.
They exposed mismatches that you know, Virginia because they had
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to play two big guys, they played small and they
exposed mismatches, which is the exact same thing the Patriots
Patriots did. Um Michael Lombardi, our guest on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, I said yesterday that, look, I would agree
it's a blown call, but uh shooting, shouldn't Sean Payne
had run the ball first second, third down, you know
where the Rams had to use their time out to
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kick the field goal, got it back to them with
fifty seconds to go, and said, all right, you know
you're gonna tire beat us what we shrunk the clock on.
You mean that doesn't does Shouldn't he get a little
bit more blame? Well? I think he should. I mean, look,
let's say he called a control pass. I don't think
Drew Brees played well at all in the game. And
I mean that's really reality. He did not play well.
Drew Brees looked every bit of forty years old in
that game. He did not play to the level they
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needed him to, and there was an opportunity on that
third down play. All he's gotta do is throw the
ball to Michael Thomas. It's a control pass. Look, when
you're in that situation, you say to yourself, look we
need to run or control pass. If you've got a
control pass you like, which really was an easy throw,
you and I could make that throw right and Thomas
is going to catch you. The class is gonna get running.
It doesn't excuse the decision, but you can understand what
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they were trying to accomplish. If they were trying to
throw a curl or trying to score a touchdown, you
can't forgive them, but they weren't. And so yeah, I
think you know. Look, the call is a disaster. In
two of the three leagues, Doug, the n C two
A and Canadian Football League that call is overturned. But
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only in our league do they guys keep the whistle
in their mouth. So how do you fix it? Well,
I mean in the Canadian Football League that you're allowed
the challenge past interference. In in the n C two
A helmet the helmets reviewed upstairs and in both cases
in that game it was helmet the helmet, and it
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was past interference, so that that would have eliminated it.
So if you want to challenge past interference, let coaches
challenge it. If you're dumb enough to challenge a completed
passing a past interference call in the first quarter of
a game, then God, God, God bless you save it
for the right time. Put the onus on the coaches
when to use it and when not to use it.
Big point, but to me to let that let legacies
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be determined. This is really what's happened. I mean, Sean
mcdigh is a great coach and the Rams are a
great but they're going to the super Bowl with a
tainted image. They shouldn't be there. This is a legacy.
This is financially going to impact lives. Coaches don't get
bonuses because they lost that game. The organizations don't get
a chance to go to the super Bowl. They don't
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get a chance to do something that's the most impossible
thing to do with lot because to enjoy a Super
Bowl experience because a guy couldn't make the right call.
Unheard of. Michael Lombardi joining us on The Doug Gotlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio how do they How do
you think the Rams match up of the Patriots with
the two weeks to prepare for each each side? Well,
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I mean, I think it'll be a challenge for the Rams.
I think what you'll see from the Patriots is the
same thing we saw what they did to Patrick Mahomes.
They're gonna rush Dereed Golf inside. And when the Saints
rushed Jared Goff inside, he was not effected. When they
rushed him from the outside and he had time to
throw the ball, he was more effective in the pain
is where the Patriots are going to try to get
their game. That's what they did to Mahomes. They rushed
them straight down the middle, forced Mahomes to back out
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of the pocket, not go right or left. This challenge
is God's not going right or left, but he wants
to step up. They're gonna force him inside. You know,
all that being said, it's even you know, the play
was horrible, right The past interference call that was never
called in the overtime is justice egregious. We just don't
talk about it, right, I mean that call that ball
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wasn't tipped, just like Julian Aliman didn't touch that ball
and we reviewed it and got the right got the
right call that ball wasn't tipped. His arm was hit,
but the ball wasn't tipped. And if the ball wasn't tipped,
that's pass interferance. So so so, Um here here's my
question about Brady. It's the season wasn't easy, but of
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course he's rightfully taking a victory lap. The thing started
with him beating the Rams. It could end within beating.
Can you see a scenario in which they win the
game and he says, I'm good, I'm done. No, I
can't say. He loves it too much. He loves to win.
I think I think well they'll do is which typical
New England. They'll both go, They'll think about ten days
off and will come back. Belicheck will get his mac
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out and I'll start working on next year and he'll
forget to even want anything this year. They'll just go on.
They just just unless something dramatically is going to change
in terms of an injury or just I can't play anymore.
It's gonna keep going until somebody tells me we can't play.
Um the uh. John Gruden, who you've worked with before,
came out and said, look, I'm throwing out I'm throwing
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out all the normal kind of stereotypes for for quarterbacks
because the league is changing, the league's evolving, and I
think that that relates to Kyler Murray, the idea that
he's too small and plays out of the pocket too much.
Do you buy that that the league has changed that
much that a five ft nine athlete can be a
starting quarterback? I don't. I mean, look, do you buy
what John says about players? And then go back and
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watch some of those some of those Gruden things, and
you have fifty quarterbacks on this team. He didn't see
what he did. He's the Will Rogers of scouting. He
loves every one of them. I mean, so yeah, of
course he's gonna love Kyler Murray. Will he pick him?
Hell though he knows he can't sit back there with
a five nine quarterback that can't see over the offensive alignment.
I mean, at some point you've got to stand in
the pocket, look down to the other make a throw
at the tight quarters. It's hard to do if you
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if you're five ft nine, God just didn't make you
tall enough to see it. It's gonna be a challenge,
you say, well, Russell Wilson, Lombardi Russell. Wilson makes most
of his plays outside the pocket when he's forced to
throw it from behind me. The same thing with Baker Maysfield.
Baker Mayfield was sensational this year, but really Baker Mayfield.
People didn't pocket control Baker Mayfield as well as they
should and allow him to get out, and that's where
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he was dangerous. Um Who who does Antonio Brown fit with?
He seems to want to go to San Francisco, but
it doesn't. The money doesn't make sense considering how much
they already have in Garoppolo to have it on two
offensive players, that doesn't seem to make sense. Where does
he fit? But if you can better figure it out
where he fits in terms of his character and what
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you're buying into. You want to pay a guy that
much money, you know, then you've got to make sure
you understand what you're getting into. Remember we just witnessing
this in front of God and everybody. It's not the
most talented team that wins. It's a team that is
placed together that wins. And that's what you better make
sure you understand. Look, I think Antonio Brown is a
great player. I think he's sensational, but I would be
reluctant to make a trade for him to give up
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a huge asset if I didn't know what I was
getting into. I'm with you, great stuff, Michael um again.
His book is Gridiron Genius. You can pick it up
at Amazon dot com and you can also download his
podcast GM Street. Michael Lombardi, who has spent his entire
professional life building winning football teams. He's been kind of
to Jonas throughout the season. Michael, thanks so much for
joining us. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Doug Dot Leaps Show weekdays at noon Eastern three pm Pacific.
Always a pleasure to have on a good friend of mine,
a guy who I idolized going up watching and play
at u C Irvine and have watched his his coaching
career as a head coach with the Oklahoma City Thunder
and now the Washington Wizards, and he joined me on
the podcast this year. Scott Brooks joins us on The
Doug got Leap Show. The Wizards are winners of two
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in a row of four of their last five and um,
when I watched the Washington watched the Pistons game the
other night, and I remember thinking, I wonder if this
in there was any scenario when we last spoke Scottie
that you thought this would be your starting lineup in
a game, right that you thought there was the possibility
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that this would be your starting lineup. What has been
it's been like for you? No way in heck I
would have thought that. Um, it's been a it's been
a challenging year. You know, We've had a lot of
tough injury, you know, Dwight going into the summer, we
wanted to show up some interior defenders and we and
a rebounder and we we we have that in Dwight.
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Unfortunately yet basically been hurt all year and hopefully, you know,
he can come back later in the season. But right now,
Thomas Bryan has come in and stepped in. I didn't
know anything about him last year. He was cut by
the Lakers this past summer and didn't play much all
all last season. But having him as our starting five
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is really really blossomed and do a really good player.
And you know John missing, you know, even though the
John only played, he's gonna miss over fifty games or
right right at fifty games. So the thirty games that
he played He wasn't the John that we all you
know love and all star John. He was banged up,
his bone spurn, his hill bothered him most of the year.
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So just a change of things. Going into the season,
not expecting all this to happen. But I think we're battling.
We've won seven out of our last ten. We kind
of got a nice little groove right now. We're got
a tough one coming up against Golden State Thursday night.
But I think our guys are really playing well. Um,
but before you won seven of ten, you lost nine
of eleven, and you know, people are predicting gloom and
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doom and John John shuts it down. For the year
you've actually been to like you're the only guy that's
been through this before. Like people forget your last year
in Oklahoma City. Katie was hurt. Everybody was hurt, right,
I mean you had patchwork lineup. How did that experience
prepare you for this? It helped a lot because one
of the things I always a minor players that don't
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give in that just you know what, we're banged up.
We got we got next man up mentality, and we
did that in Oklahoma. I didn't we end up winning
forty six games where basically everybody was hurt and we
were playing Nicholson at the three at times. Uh, but
you know what it helps. Then last year, you know,
with John missing forty one day, it's just this guy's
an opportunity to step up. You know, it's hard to
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win in this league and went at the high level
and to get to the places that you feel like
you can get to if you don't have a healthy lineup.
But when you do have in these guys have to
step up. And sometimes it happens and you don't expect it,
like last season or the guy that we I didn't
expect that Thomas Adaranski would come in and play as
well as he did last year. Now he's kind of
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used to that role and he's came he's coming in now, Uh,
played well. Now this year it's Thomas Thomas de Bryant.
I didn't know anything about him. And Dwight gets hurt.
He stepped in and playing as well, and you know
he's one of the best siggle percentage of not the
best in the league of making shots right around the basket. Yeah,
it's it's a pretty remarkable. Um Brad's a guy who
I think most people think should be an All Star,
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maybe maybe as a reserve. And and Brad has I
mean he hasn't necessarily openly opine, but there have been
people like, huh, I wonder if he could something, could
it could be his team? Um, what's Brad bial been
like since John went down? Since he's had to carry
the load and like, look, I mean it takes a
lot of effort to to to go get twenty five
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shots night and then defend at the other end. What's
he been like? He's been you know what, I'm impressed
with him. Three years now, we've been together, and he's
improved every year. I thought he was just, you know,
coming into the job three years ago, I thought, you know,
he was just a score, you know, a guy that
can you know, catch and shoot, make threes and come
off with pin downs and stuff like that. But he's
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he's really developed. He's a he's a playmaker, and he's
a complete basketball player. You get the fans he rebound,
he uh, he scores, and he sprinkles in an offense
all over the floor. It's just not a shooter. He's
not driving. I could played pick and roll. He's he's
one of the best two way players in the definitely
at All Star. He's carried us. You know, he's had
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we've had games where we we didn't we didn't play
too well, but he got us going and he's great,
and he's great in the locker room, he's great and
during time outs and he's been a tremendous leader for
him team. You know, Otto Porter has missed uh, he
missed uh. I think Canada twelve games in that stretch.
Now Mark Keith Morris is out for six weeks and
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Brad has been that guy that really really helped us
win a lot of these games recently. Yeah, that that's
kind of my point. I mean you've had Auto out,
you have Mark kif out. Do you get Dwight out?
You got John Wall out? Um, I did want to
ask you, like, I mean you're coaching that game you
guys play was Toronto? I think it was last week, right,
It was like double ot game and they both go
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for like one and forty three and that was and
I felt like like stepping up your game and a
kind of a high level game like you know in
the NBA there are certain games are just differ and
than others. That one felt like a high level game,
and and Brad's ability to raise his level that night
might have been the most impressive of any of these
games since John went down. Yeah, I agree, and he
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I thought he stepped up and I thought he even
grew up a little bit in that game. Even though
we lost the game double overtime. It was too high
level All Stars competing at a high level on both ends,
and they both took the challenge of guarding and making
place for their team with Client and and Brad, Brad
is I mean, Brad is really good. I mean, I
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know this is the last thing All start team for
the first time, and there's no question in my mind
he's an All Star. Nor record is not where we
would like it to be, but you know, I think
we've improved and I think we can get pretty good
as this season goes along. And it's a big part
of his All Star play. How much different is the
East without Lebron In the East, it's it's wide open,
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no matter what any any coach or any players say.
Lebron had that had the East, you know, for eight
years in a row, and he got a lot of
players cut, a lot of coaches fired, and he's just
I mean, he's that dominant. He's he's gonna go down.
I mean, this is nothing that nobody's said. He's gonna
go down as one of the greatest players to ever play.
And the thing that is really impressed it as is,
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I Q, you play against Lebron. He knows exactly what
you're running. And there's times where I would call a
play knowing that we don't even have that play and
he looked at me, you know how to play? I mean,
that's that's how that's how smart he is. He just
knows everybody's everybody's set. But it's open. You know, there's
a lot of good teams. They're stepped up. Milwaukee is
stepped up, Toronto stepped up to Ladelphia, and Boston is
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gonna be there, and there's gonna be Indiana's in there,
and there's there's some good teams in the in the East,
and they're gonna have opportunities. Hopefully we can get into
the mix and become a playoff team. It runs counter
to everything you're saying and everything part of your makeup,
but there's always gonna be a fan that says, like, hey,
John walls out, Dwight Howard's out. More Wars is out, coach?
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Why are you trying to win games? You're better off
losing games? Right? Like? They look and it and it's
worked Milwaukee, Milwaukee. People forget Milwaukee tanked that. That's how
they've loaded up their roster. The Sixers obviously tanked the Celtics.
You go back in, they they tanked every It has
worked for other people. Why not why not explore that
or actually the play younger players at the end of games?
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Why why continue to try and compete? Yeah, I just
think that's how we're wired. That's how our team is wired.
That's where our players are wired. And we want to
we want to win as many games. You know, we're
not healthy, but we can still compete at a high level.
And the game is about playing hard. And if you've
got talented players that don't play hard, you're not gonna
win a lot of games. But if you've got guys
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that are going to compete and connected with one another,
and I think that's what we have right now. We
are connected. We're moving the ball. I mean the last
ten games, I think we're one of the top teams
in the league and defense and we're one of the
top team in the league in passing. So those those
two fans hand and hands success. And I understand, you
know some fans may think that, but it's it's about
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you know, you gotta do. You gotta do what's what's
what you feel is right and what our team fills
is right and that is one game and we want
to compete and we feel like we have a chance
to do that every night. You've seen the Rockets up close.
You talk about ball movement, which you know Toronto went
to that kind of last year, trying to move the
ball so it doesn't get sticky. Obviously, some of it
is because of of injury, but Harden is putting up
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these crazy numbers and some a portion of it is
because of pace, a portion of is because the number
of the number of threes they're taking he's taken specifically,
a portion of it's because of of his usage rate.
Um Ken, you can you play that way and and
play in the in the in the playoffs, I mean,
don't you don't you run the risk of wearing your
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guy out because I mean he's he's carrying so much
of the load right now for one team. I mean,
from outside looking in, I mean they have to do
just from all their injuries. With Chris Paul out, I
mean they're built a team has built on a lot
of good three point shooters and descenders on the wing,
with James and and Chris handling the duty of making
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place for one another. And you know, when they have
a Chris Paul healthy and James doesn't have to have
these forties and fifty point games night in the night out.
But I'll tell you what I've coached him for three years.
The guy is a competitor. He's a winner, and he
competes and he's never he's never backed down from a
sore body. He goes out there and practices every day
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and he knows that their team has banged up and
in order for them, because they were below five hundreds,
in order for them to get back into the playoff
next he had to take his game to another level.
And he's playing like an m v P again. And
you know, it's it's impressive, you know, outside looking at
it's I love watching their games, even though you know,
I know they can't do this for forever. But you know, James,
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if anybody can't, a guy has has a body that
could just keep playing forever and ever, and he's he's
one of those guys that he carries their team night
in the night out. I can't ask you about a
guy who plays for Duke in college because I don't
want to get you in trouble. But they have been comparison, well,
they've been comparisons made to Barkley. And if you listen
to our podcast together, you know Barkley he took you
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in as a as a roommate because he thought you
were going to get cut obviously, but he's one of
your closest friends in the sport is Charles Barkley. I've
I've tried to tell people, like people called in the
round Mountain rebound, but he was a freak athletically. You
played with Barkley during some of his peak years in Philadelphia.
What was Charles Barkley's game? Actually? Like, well, the people
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people they've seen this forget pretty easily. That guy was
a freak athlete. That guy had the best second jump
that I've ever been around. I mean he would that
ball would go up and he would get he would
tip the ball and everybody would fight for the ball
and the next thing you know, he's up again and
while everybody is still, you know, on the floor looking up.
So you know, I got to get back to this
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rebound to get the second, you know, the second chance
at it. The guy was as fast as most stars.
I mean we were sprints. You have teams back then
when you're allowed to run sprints. He was on the
line and Charles will be right there with all of us,
most cheeks myself. The guy was fast, He was athletic,
He had great I hand coordination, He had long arms,
you know, he just he had a knack for the
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ball and he had then. He was a great teammate,
was fun to be around, and he was a great leader.
And you know what I think people seem to forget
how get some of these older players quarter back then?
And they played every night, They played a lot of minutes.
They travel was different, they were they were tough and
nothing against the game. Now the game is, I think
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is it's a beautiful, beautiful game. It was starting to
get become football a little bit. But now. But back then,
man Charles Barkley was one of the best players ever
played the game. No, no question. It was it was
more like I do think and he jokes about being
fat and and you know he's an older he's an
older guy. Now he doesn't obviously move around and we
see him on the golf course with the hitch and
his swing and so people, I do think and I
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think his nickname round mound of Remo and makes you
think that he wasn't Go back and watch remember the
NBA Superstars vhs is and you're like, oh my god,
he was a he was an absolute freak last thing,
and I know you gotta go. Um, Alex Smith came
in your locker room yesterday. This is first real public
appearance since breaking his leg. Uh, what was what was
that like? Because I mean, he's obviously a beloved figure
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in football. His that didn't look great like. I mean,
he was in good spirits, but that looks like I
didn't I didn't get the chance to talk to him.
But you know, just looking at that injury and I'm
just glad he's out about and on his way to
recover and he's he's, from what I hear, is one
of the great guys in the sport and just a
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con tremendous competitors. Hate to go out that way, and
you know they brought him in this year to lead
them to the playoffs, and unfortunately he wasn't able to
finish the job that he was brought in to do.
Hopefully you can bounce back and and come back and
do it again next season. Yeah. No, Listen, there's there's
some early similarities there right between you guys and the Redskins. Right,
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he breaks his leg and then his backup Colte McCoy
like breaks his leg. Unlike kind of innocuous play, like
a massive injuries in the defensive side of the ball.
I don't know what's going on in d C, but
guys are just guys, are just guys just falling out,
just completely falling out with injuries. We have both both
both organizations had a tough time. But we're playing and
we're playing well. So I'm looking at the bonds of
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side and things are looking up right now, and you know,
we gotta we got a pretty easy one coming up
Thursday night. Golden State. You know plays the foundiness of three,
isn't he? Um? He had ten last night? Like I mean,
I don't. I mean, it's just it's just I don't
actually think that. Hey, Mrs last one, you know, didn't
this is last one? What what's the most what's the
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most you ever hit in the college game. I have
forty three points. I think I made nine three one game.
Not that I think I know exactly how I mean
I made. I made. I don't give I think because
and people didn't know. Like you see, Irvine had a
lot of studs, and you guys used to play fast
and shoot threes before everybody else played fast and three.
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We played modern day basketball back in the back in
the eighties. Um, who's of the three who's the toughest
to prepare for as a coach of the three guys
on the Golden State, Oh man, they're so hard. I
mean Curry, we that last game we played him up
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in their place. I swear he made. He made eleven
shots that were nearly impossible that you might make one
in the game. He made eleven of them. And he's
almost impossible to prepare for because he takes shots that
you're saying, Okay, that's a good shot for him to
take him Bang, it's it's three points, and then they
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get a turn, they get a still, and another crazy
outlet pad bang another three points. But Katie, you know
I coached him for seven years and you know he's
nearly impossible to stop. Also, I don't think you can.
When he misses, it's because he misses the ball named Clay.
Obviously he's on a hot streak right now. So we're
we have our handsful, but we're looking forward to the challenge.
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Is it Is it fair enough? Like again, I'm sorry,
because I know you do have to go and we
gotta go to but but like the best way to
contextualize is kind of what you said about Steph, which
is he's changed. There used to be this, there's a
good shot a bad shot, and it's not doesn't mean
you can't make it. It's a percentage of times you
make it that a coach would say that's a good shot,
that's bad shot. He's changed the sport because of it,
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because what's a good shot for him? When he can
make He's making of his threes and everybody knows it's coming,
and a lot of them are contested. You know, he's
he's off off a crossover. You taught not to shoot
off a crossover. He can go left, he go right
and go catch and shoot step back deep deep range.
He's changed how we view what a good shot is
and what a bad shot is. Based on the percentage
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of times he can make shots said previously, we're very
very low percentage. There's there's no that's exactly right the court.
I mean, if everybody can see the game through his eyes,
we would see a different court. What the game and
how I used to see it and how I see
it now, I don't see it the way he sees it.
But he, I mean, he there's no there's no bad
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shot for him. And I really believe that. I'm sure
Coach Curtis says the same thing. There's no bad shot.
Certain guys in the league, they can take any shot
they can possibly throw up there because there's a chance
that thing is going in. And he what he's done
is amazing to be able to change the game at
the way he has changed it. Um, I want you
to walk down to Steve and make sure you tell
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him when you face the Warriors. Listen, if I played
in the triangle, if I played opposite Mike and all
I had to do is sit there and make jump shots,
I would have rings too. Just I want you to
make sure you just mentioned that, Tim and tell him.
Then te him I told you to say that, good enough,
All right, done, done, that's easy, all right. We'll see
at yoga. Saw tell him that all right, cool, it's
ill see when you're yoga. Thanks so much for joining us.
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All right, man, I'll see you
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Doug Gottlieb
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