January 30, 2019 • 35 mins
Doug breaks down the commissioners response to the Saints-Rams missed call and replay reviews. Plus live in Atlanta, Baker Mayfield jumps on to gives his two cents on Kyler Murray and Carson Palmer joins the show to talk about the big game.
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Last week, people were freaking out about Roger Goodell. When's
Roger Goodell gonna say something? Well, if you know the
way the deal works. Roger Goodell every year on on
Wednesday gives the proverbial State of the NFL Union Address,
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and he had this to say earlier today on the
miscall in the NFC Championship game. It's a play that
should be called. We're gonna make sure that we do
everything possible to address the issues going forward and and
see if their improvements that we can make through to
replay or anything else. I understand the emotions, but I
understand the stage, and I understand the importance of it
to New Orleans and to this franchise and to the NFL.
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I made them aware of the fact that I was
committed to doing everything possible to think outside the box
and try to come up with solutions. Yeah, I mean look,
he was also asked, you know why he hasn't spoken
about It's like, look, we called Sean Payton right after
the game, like our of Roun, who's in charge of
the officials, called him right after the football game, not
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the next day, not the next week. He called him
right enough to get matter of fact before the press conference.
Have you ever heard of that in sports ever? Like
all you ever want to hear is somebody go, my bad.
We screwed up right, and the NFL did that, which
only proves the point that I've had for a long time,
which is you're you're literally in a no win situation
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if you're the commissioner. Like like, people hate the commissioner
for reasons basically because he makes a lot of money,
and he makes a lot of money because people don't
understand what his job is. His job is to make
the owners a bunch of money and have a healthy league,
and they do. He's got two teams that moved to
l A. Both those teams had to pay relocation fees.
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He's got a team with Vegas, they gotta pay to
look relocation fee. And guess what you expand in the
l a market that helps the league. All of that
money goes to the rest of the team's same thing
with the Vegas money, and all that money is gonna
help pay off this concussion lawsuit, which came in light
of two billion dollars. Oh, then Any expanded to Thursday
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night football. Then he split Thursday Night Football into two
and then when the ratings were down with NBC and CBS,
he told Fox, hey, guess what you can have it.
You can actually pay more money, and they did. They
gave him a better schedule and guess what, it worked.
Oh and he's playing games overseas, those of success. Why
because it's a new TV window that the TV affiliates
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don't get charged for. He's playing in Mexico. See like this,
Dude's because that's his job, is the business side. And
when there's an officiating call, he's got a guy for
that who took the bullet for those officials and picked
up the phone and called and when it was the
proper time to address it in public, he did. This
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is what we do. You know, we like our congressmen.
We don't like Congress. We don't like any of the commissioners,
except for maybe Adam Silver, who people like, even though
Adam Silver's league right now is being laughed at because
you've got a guy who's a star in the league,
who's a year and a half away from having his
contract run out, and he's demanding to be traded, like
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I thought, Roger Adell came out looking great, and then
he pointed out take a list to Roger Goodell talking
about the potential changes to officiating crews. I don't think
adding an official is a an answer to all the issues,
and to particularly this issue. We have evaluated an eighth official.
It's on the Competition Committee agenda. It has been uh
and so we will just explore that. But I think
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that in and of itself is not just going to
be a simple that will avoid all mistakes. Adding another
an eighth official is one more human, one more human,
that will make mistakes like all the rest of us.
When has another opinion ever made things easier? You tell
me that time when remember the remember the dress thing?
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Remember the dress thing on the internet. Was it was
it blue? Or was it wasn't? Or was it white
or was it gold right or something like that. Remember
the dress thing. And the more people you ask, the
more answers you got, and none of the answers were right.
None of the answers are right. It's like this massive
weather system which is going through the Midwest, which if
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you listen to us in the Midwest, God bless you,
you know, like, sorry, man, I can't do I couldn't
can't do it. Yes, you are just tougher than us,
those of us who that the idea that you can't
go to school because you're supposed to stay inside. Think
about that. We live people in this country live in
parts of the planet where you know what, it's so cold,
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just stay inside for the entire day. Is it snowing?
Not really? Is it raining no? Is it ice? No?
It's just so damn cold you cannot go outside. That's crazy.
That's crazy. But if you asked fifteen weathermen what what
one storm is gonna do, You're gonna get fifteen different answers.
So the idea of hey, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta,
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I gotta solution here, let's have another ref that'll fix it. No,
it's just another opinion. And you could say, well, it's
another eye in the sky, and you can you can
review things like judgment calls. But what happens when you
review judgment calls guys are hesitant to make a judgment.
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You'll have the opposite of the intended effect. That's what
always happens. Always. You know, one of the things that
happens in the Nation Football League if you watch the games,
and this will happen to the super Bowl, su it
happens in college football. Have you noticed that no one
blows the play dead anymore? Have you noticed that he
even knows. You're watching an an NFL game, watching a
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college football game, and the guy gets up and keeps running,
and then they'll like start blowing the whistle, or maybe
they don't. Do you know why nobody blows the whistle
because they don't want to be the guy that blew
it dead. And then replay has them blowing it dead
when the play wasn't dead. That's exactly what will happen
if you add the ability to change judgment calls like
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past interference. I told you last week, Okay, how far
back in the play can we go to see if
a penalty was committed? Because a lot of the p
I s a lot of defensive past interference. The wide
receiver runs around the wide receiver, pushes off the wide receiver.
They is open, and the defense closes the space that
was created by the push off. And we want to
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judge only the push off, I mean, we want to
judge only, uh, the last second of the play instead
of the entirety of the play. So when can replay
go back to the start of the play or at
only the end when the penalty was called? The Oh yeah,
by the way, if you're gonna wipe off penalty flags
that our judgment calls in the game, you know it's
gonna happen. No one's gonna call a penalty. Do you
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want to be the guy that throws the flag that
gets picked up? Of course you don't. It's the same
reason most people don't raise their hands when a teacher
asked a question in class. You don't be the guy
that good gets it wrong. You want to be that guy.
What's the capital of the state of California? You raise
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your hand, You're like Los Angeles, ha ha, Like all right,
how do you remember to a Sacramento? Helena Montana, Right,
Helena Montana. Uh, Pierre was South Dakota. Is that right?
South Dakota? I don't know. My point is when has
more ever been more? It's not less is more unless
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it's more as a cliche because it's overused, you know what,
it's because cliche, it's overused because it's true. Hey, you
know what, we haven't what what? What roder Adelle said
was football game has played on a football field by people,
and it's officiated by people, and people are imperfect. And
what he should have said is we have a really
good game, and people search for perfection. It doesn't exist.
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And so, yeah, we screwed it up, But so did
Sean Payton or Drew Brees. Not running the football on
first down, second down, third down, just take a knee,
run the clock down, kicked the field goal. Oh yeah,
by the way, you could have gotten to stop and
then you got the ball back at the start of overtime,
and you could have not thrown a pick, and then
you could have gotten to stop again, and you didn't.
He didn't say all of that. He said, Hey, we
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screwed up. We didn't wait as soon as they ran
off the field. Al river Ron, who's in charge, that's
under his purview, not mine. It's his job, and he
admitted mistakes so that when Sean Payton went to the
DAIS he could say, I just talked to Al river
Run and they said they made a mistake. Have you
ever heard that in the history of sports. Never, It's
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never happened in baseball. It's never happened in college basketball,
college football, or the NBA basketball. NBA basketball, they have
the last two minute report. It comes out like a
day or two later. They have one official for both
baseball and football football, baseball and basketball who meets with
the media after the game and says he has, like
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the pool reporter, what did you see? But that's not
even the end all be all. These reports usually come
out a day or two later. The NFL was on
top of it, and yeah, it sucks, sucks, or you're
sayings fan, it does. It would have sucked to your
Rams fan and you had pass interfering, you had a
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face mask on the call before that wasn't called. And
Rams fans obviously don't have room to complain about it
now because they're playing on Sunday. But of course nobody
likes commissioner because he makes a bunch of money, Because
his league. UH is an out of control freight training success.
And this is what we do as what we do.
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I can't think of any more pressure on a kid
than what Baker Mayfield has gone through, and he seems
to thrive in a lim bit of chaos. Tony. I'm
from walking away from Texas Tech to Oklahoma and walking
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back on and then winning the job, winning Eyes Been Trophy,
being a finalist three times, beating for a national title,
and then be the number one over pick. He's supposed
to be the savior in Cleveland, and they have a
coaching change mid season and dysfunction within the offensive? Uh
offensive Brett room right, just function within. You got Todd
Haley not get along with Hugh Jackson and there they
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both get fired. And what do you do with he
set the rookie touchdown record? How about that Baker Mayfield
joining us on behalf of PEPSI in the two thousand
eighteen NFL Rookie of the Year Award. Baker, thanks so
much for taking time. Um did you won the Heisman Trophy,
you get drafted first overall. You you turn around the Browns,
your coach she gets fired, your offensive coording here gets fired.
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What's this world would have been like for you? It's
exactly what you said, a whirlwind. I mean a lot
of things have happened, you know, in the past year
and some change. It's been unbelievable really, and I've been
a dream come true. Um, trying to kind of look
back on it now and now that I have a
time to really breathe and be thankful for what, you know,
what I've been blessed with. If you could go back
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and go, I want a mulligan on one thing, what
would it be? Oh? Um, there's there's too many to
just just pick one. Um, it's it's gotta be that
the last drive against the Ravens, you know, missing the
out route to Jarvis on the inside and um not
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converting on on earlier down to be able to we
weren't in a situation where you had to going forward
and forth. Okay, if there's one thing that you take
great July pride in that hasn't gotten it's due right,
like like, uh, you had that really funny bit with
Cooper Manning about the about the Bengal. Right, like, dude,
I owned that Bengal. Right, I'm a Brown. I owned
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the Bengal. That was it was awesome. There's other things
that that people that that you know that other people don't,
that that you wish people would recognize. What would it be? Um?
I think you know how much fun I'm having with it.
You know, I'm I'm being myself and like it or not,
Like you don't have to like it. I'm not looking
for approval, but I'm really living out a dream and
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I truly believe that. And so I'm trying to enjoy
every single day, um, and trying to inspire others and
you know, have a have a you know, inspirational feel
on on other people and be a role model. Um.
You know what too, have a confidence level. Just be yourself,
be proud of who you are, don't be ashamed of it.
Did you read the Seth Wickersham article on what's gone
on behind the scenes at the Browns the past couple
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of years and into this year. I did not, but
I was told by a lot of people what it was. Um.
They said it was pretty long. Um, and you're like
I'm I've done my studying. I'm good, I'm there Now.
It's about what's going on right now. The past is
the past, and for people to you know what, the
past doesn't matter right now. It's about what we're gonna
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do for the future and what we're doing right now.
You're your new head coach is the interim offensive coordinator,
but he was the running backs coach at the start
of the year. Like, like, you want to talk about
an ascension. I mean, I don't know between you starting
as a freshman as a walk on at Tech and
a guy going from a running back coach to the
head coach of the Browns. Um, when did you When
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did you know like this dude can't do it? Um
just talking to him seeing uh, you know where he
was at mentally. You know, he was the QB coach
in Arizona, and so when I had conversations with him,
he was very smart new ball obviously, but then how
he was able to relate to all the guys, uh,
get them to believe themselves and just get everybody on
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the same page. And so I think that was the
most important thing and I was most impressed with that
was he went from obviously that running back job where
he was only affecting what three or four guys, and
then he came the offensive coordinator and he had the
whole thing, and then now he's the head coach. It's
just how he's able to adapt but still be that
same person, still be that same guy that everybody believes
and don't change. And he is that guy. Uh Chub
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told us, he said, you do you you get on
him because he's still country, right, He like, like he's
now the head coach and he is from Alabama. Yeah,
that that you just you you ride him that how
country is. But that's kind of that's kind of what
you talked about. And it's kind of one and the
same with can you be a a quarterback and talk
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trash to the other team? Can you? Because like no
one does that. I mean, no one watched Still Rivers
ever play. I mean, like everybody acts like what I
do is so jaw dropping. I mean, you watch some
of these guys. You gotta be a competitor out there.
I mean you watch Tom Brady, He's very competitive. You
know what. Everybody expresses in different ways, But I am
who I am and that's how I express it. I'm
gonna let you know that I want to beat you. Obviously,
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that's everybody's goal is to win. But I'm gonna make
it loud and clear. I'm gonna try and get in
your head, and I'm still gonna do my job on
the side. And I think that's what everybody's worried about.
His Quarterbacks normally don't talk trash because they have their
job to worry about. But I've been able to do
it to where I can talk trash and then still
get my job done. And I think, you know, if
there comes a time where I'm not getting my job done,
I won't I won't be talking. Um. Kyler now is
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considering football, right, and uh like he took what you
did and then, by some people's estimation, maybe even topped it.
Dead dudes are freak. But people said that you're small.
Tyler is really small. So what do you think that
what do you think that the challenges are for him
at the level that you now know and you now
played at um finding windows throw But you know what
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I said it last year when I was going through
the draft process, we had an NFL sized offensive line.
So throwing over people finding windows is something that we
had to adapt to, and we're used to. He's been
doing it his whole life. And when it comes down
to it, people can say what they want. The kid
can He'll time out at four three and forty if
he runs it. Yeah. He's strong, really strong, great leader,
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and he's a winner. Most importantly, uh An nfl GM
told me, he said, look, he's Doug Flutie with Mike
Vick's athleticism. Absolutely absolutely, And that's that's true. Yeah, And
and I also said that, and he also and I've been,
I've been. Now people are starting to come around to it.
I want you to know, I'm the I was the
first to go, like, hey, the whole baseball thing, you
get paid some money up front, but you don't make
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real money until like year five or six. Whereas if
your draft, if he's a first round pick, he gets
money right away and he's a pro right away, and
he starts that clock towards that second contract exactly. But
it's not even about the contract thing. To me, it's about,
you know, him wanting to play football, him wanting to
do that. He's passed, he's passionate about both. But um
riding around in a minor league bust around the country
doesn't sound very fun, And I think that's what it
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comes down to for him is being able to compete
and live out his dream. And I think that's funny.
In the NFL, what's the secret sauce for for turning
going from almost winning twinning? Obviously there was a coaching change,
but like, look, when you got there, there's always the
sense of the Browns are gonna screw it up, right,
the Browns always lose, and then you got no, no,
But that's what it was when you got there, right,
won one game two and then at the start of
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the season, you should have a first game of the year.
You should have won, right, and you said there, like, ah,
they're the Browns. They still can't kind of figure out
what's the seat. How did you turn that from expectations
being something bad would happen to expectations being something good
would happen, Because that's what happened in the middle of
the season, even more so than the coaching change. But
it wasn't just me, um, we had the right pieces.
We just need guys to believe in it, you know,
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to trust each other and to you know what realized
what we had in the locker room and just come together.
And I think that was the most important thing was
you could feel the energy before the season within the
locker room, guys realizing, all right, we got some key players,
We've got all of this and let's put it together
and just you know, finding ways to win is the
most important when people haven't done it in a long time,
and then building consistency. Do you feel any any sorrow
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at all for putting my boy Cowherd in the body back? None? No,
none at all. Uh Baker Mayfield joining us, he's up
for the PEPSI Rookie of the Year's finalist. He Nick Chubb,
Philip Lindsay, Darius Leonard Say, Kwan Barkley, No, Dorwan James
who also could be be on this list. Um, to
live up to the hype, like you're number one pick
and many people I thought Sam Donald would go one overall,
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it's he's not on this list to live up to it.
That has to. That has to for a guy who
loves to prove people wrong. You're proving the Browns right,
aren't you by being on this list? Um? You know what,
I set my own expectations and so that's that's the
most important thing for me. Um, you know what, I'm
glad they took a chance and believed in me, and
so for me now, um being able to do that
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for them, and then I gotta take the next step.
You know, I'm not satisfied with what we've done. We
did even have a winning record, but you know, there's
change being made and that's the positive thing to look at,
and so we gotta build on that and keep going
and keep going. What's the one thing you have to
do to improve? Take care of the ball and just
put us in a good position to win every game. Man,
unbelievable year, unbelievable. And you've seem to be having a
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lot of fun with him, which is what it's all about.
Like if I was in your position, like you know what, dude,
I'd be having a lot of fun with it as well.
I can't wait to see the next photos spread. Thanks
for joining us. Be sure to catch live edition so
the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days at noon eastern
three pm Pacific. It's an honored to be joined by
the guy who maybe until Sam Donald, even with Sam Donald,
was the best regards, the best Orange County prospect to
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make it in college and the nash Football League. He's
a borderline Hall of Famer. He's Carson Palmer. He joins
us on the Doug gott Leap Show and Carson obviously,
Oh I forgot I mentioned Burline. Uh, you know Murdovich
a little bit over the me flamed out. Matt Liner
didn't have the pro career. You had the great college
career like that. Fair Sanchez came out of Orange County. Um,
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he did go to af C championship games. But like, um, yeah,
there's a lot of California quarterbacks, not as many as
you'd expect out of Southern California. I mean, you go
up north, you got Brady, you got Elway, There's a
handful of other guys. Um, but yeah, there's not a
ton out of southern like there should be, right, do
you miss? I missed very few parts in very few pieces.
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But I'm really enjoying um retirement. Um. I have heard
so I worked, I did, I've done shows a Tjo
hashman Zada and he says, Carson Palmer is the biggest
hunter fisher you've ever seen. Like, that's that's what you're into.
That's your jam, right, didn't you guys? You got I
don't want to say the location, but you guys bought
a place in one of the beautiful climates in the
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Live in Idaho. Say my address, but want to give
it away right ve in Idaho. I'm I'm on a river.
I fly fish as much as I have four kids,
so that takes up a good chunk of of life. Um,
but I love fly fishing. I'm addicted to fly fishing.
I think I've actually was thinking about it right before
I came on the show. What part of the river
I was gonna hit when I get back home. But
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I love to hunt, I love to fish, I love
I love being outside. Did this happened? Okay? You've got
up for for people and are like listen, you grew
up in southern California, right, Okay, So Mission Viejo is
great suburb. If you're going down I five to San Diego,
it's like smack dab in between l A and San Diego.
No fishing, no hunting, no fishing, no hunting, And like, look,
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you can go to the mountains, or you can go
on a hike or whatever. So when was the first
time you went fly fishing? Uh? Well, I grew up
going to Idaho with a buddy of mine, Sugar Roey
and his family had to place sn Idaho, and so
that was my first fly fishing experience. But I really
got into being in the outdoors when I played in Cincinnati.
I lived kind of in the middle of nowhere. I
had a bunch of woods in my backyard, had no
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idea what I was doing. A buddy of mine who
I played with, Doug Johnson, he played quarterback at Florida
and then played for the Bengals for a couple of years.
He took me and what wh when you went hunting
in the first times? Deer hunting? Deer hunting, boy, I've
never shot a bow. He doesn't tell me anything. I'm
sitting in a tree stand for an hour, six in
the morning. It's cold, it's cold. I don't see I'm
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sitting in tree stand. I'm moving around, I'm looking for
I'm like, dude, I don't see any deer. We get
back to the truck. I'm like, I don't. Don't take
me out on that again. He's he's like, what were
you doing. I was like, I was sitting up. He's like, no,
you can't move. You have to sit still. So sure, enough,
we go the next day off during the season, you
have Tuesday's off, so he takes me Tuesday. I'm sitting
in a tree stand. I'm doing everything he told me
to do, and sure enough, this massive ten point buck
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walks out and I just my heart almost popped out
on my chest. I almost fell out of the tree.
And I was addicted ever since. So did you did
you shoot? Because I didn't know. I hadn't shot the bow,
so I didn't really know like how to lot. He
just kind of it's it's like, I don't know. I
had the same experience with my father in law when
I'm in Oklahoma state and he's like, well, you won't
go for deer hunting, And the first time I fell
asleep in the tree stand, I was like bored. You know.
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He gives you a cup of coffee, you know, and
you drink a couple of coffe Like, oh, you can't
have coffee because the smell. You know, you gotta stuff
put a deer sent stuff on your shoes. Whatever. I'm
up at a tree stand, I'm freezing cold. I'm like
this sucks. And then yeah, walks out. Okay, but but
I I had a gun with me which is a
really bad idea. So when did you go in and
did you Now? Well, what I tell people is you
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know you got it or you don't got it. So
when that deer walks out, if you're like, oh cool,
there's a deer, you don't got it. But when that
deer walks out and your your chest starts pounding and
your knees start quivering, and then you have to draw
the bow in your arms, that's when you know. I
have the bug. I I love this, I enjoy it.
My kids love it. I take them. Um, well, we'll
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harvest the deer. Will We'll make burgers, will make loins,
will make pork chops, will make lapeno poppers. They love
eating venison. Will go duck hunting. We eat duck all
all Um, we'll cook the duck. We i'd catch and
release fish. I have a buddy, by the way, who
has the greatest duck hunting cabin. It's in it's in
it's in can this but right near the Arkansas. He's
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an Arkansas guy. But it's in Parsons, Kansas. And I'll
hook you up. It's no it's no problem. It's one
text away. He's taking a lot of guys. But he
has no that have He has no idea about sports either,
so he's not gonna like ask you about about something,
right an amazing dude, You'll you'll love it. Okay. So
that's what happened to Carson Palmer, Um and you. But
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there's no there's no man, I'm watching Tom Brady and
he's going to his ninth and that should on some
forem fashion that should be me. Oh, no doubt. I mean,
there's there's Sunday. I watched football on Sundays and I
watched college football now, which I never watched college football
when I was playing, because you're always traveling, you're going
to the team hotel. I do not want to coach,
absolutely don't want to hunt fishing. Hunting and fishing does
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not coincide with football. So um no, I mean I
I watch it. I miss Sundays. I miss um the
challenge and the expectation and the pressure being the franchise quarterback.
I do miss that, um, But I don't miss the
offseason trying. I really don't miss being in the gym.
I have not been in the gym since I stopped playing.
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And as you get older and Tom Brady is a
perfect example. You end up spending five, six seven hours
of your day preparing your body for the upcoming season.
I don't miss that. I got really tired of being
in the gym, working out and preparing to play at
thirty five and thirty eight and as my as my
career went on. So I really, I really got um
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burnt out on that side of it. And that's one
of the things that blows you away about Brady's He's
not He's enjoys it. Still, at some point the burnout
is gonna happen or his body is just gonna give out. Um.
But that that's the part that I don't miss. I
don't miss getting hit. I don't miss the way I
would feel on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is getting ready to
play that next Sunday game. But there's no doubt I
missed the Sundays and and your career, your career trajectory
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might have been different if the rules, you know, which
is kind of the Brady rule, right, he got rolled
up on it, but that was after you got rolled
up on. Now they can't hit eyes below the leg. People, remember,
you signed a huge contract with Cincinnati. You're playing the Bengals,
at home, right, Like, that's how good you guys were.
You had a home game against the Steelers in the playoffs,
and he rolls up on your knee like, I think
you never spend any time going like my career trajectory
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would be different if the rules were then what they
are today. I don't play that game. You know, how
do you do that? How do you not? How do
you how do you have the balance in your life?
I guess that's an Idaho thing, fly fishing, and you
have no issues at all with the world. Hey, some
some guys win five or six super Bowls. Some guys
don't win any. I'm I'm the ladder. Um, you know what.
I've loved to have won multiple super Bowls or just one,
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absolutely with without without a doubt. But I don't ever
look back and play the KULDO would have should a
game because you're just gonna drive yourself nuts. I'm I
was blessed to play for fifteen years. I played with
some great guys, I played for some awesome coaches. Um
you know I I look back and and um I
enjoyed it. I put everything I could have possibly put
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into it, So I don't have any regrets. In that guard.
Do I regret not winning Super Bowl? Absolutely? But I
gave it my all and it didn't work out. Carson
Palmer joining us here in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Tradio. You mentioned the guys you played with,
and there's a variety of them, right from Larry Fitzgerald,
who the guy could run, Guy could run for governor
and win, guy could run for commissioner and they boot
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Cadell in a second, right, he's that beloved then to
like t J who grows up as like a hood
rat and becomes a stud, to to to Chad who's
a nut but freaky, freaky talented. So when I watched Brady,
I think the other question is how does he relate? Like, look, dude,
you grew up in Orange County and uh, you know,
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you went to a great school, you went to a
prestigious college, and then you know you're the you're the
franchise quarterback with the Bengals and then became with the Cardinals.
How did you how did you manage to relate to
guys that came from such different background where you can't
and and you never will. Um, you don't know what
I didn't know what it's like to grow up the
way t J did or the way hundreds of teammates did.
I knew what it was like to grow up my way.
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But I think what the ultimate thing that comes in
into play is just is just respect. Um. I respected.
There's always guys you don't respect. But I respected most
of the teammates I ever played with, and I think
most of them respected me. And the way I earned
respect was work. Um, always being the first guy at
the stadium, always you know guys are coming in and
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right before team meeting and I've already worked out or
I've already watched film, and being the last guy. So
you don't relate. Um. The only thing you can relate
with guys on the same level of is respect and
the respect you give them the respect they give you,
and the only respect. The only way to get respect
from them is by your work ethic. It's not from
how I grew up or how how tough I had
it at age ten or fifteen or whatever. It is.
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It's just about respect. You mentioned fits and how he's
the best. What is it about him that makes them
it makes him the best? Well, his his God given
ability is half of it. And and It's only half
of it, um, I mean his his ability to run
routes and and his physical um, the way he plays
his hands. He also moved on the inside with you
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when whereas whereas like a lot of guys with their
ego like hey moving inside and right side in block linebackers,
he blocked Cam Chancellor over and over again. I mean
he so so half of it is is what he
did on the field that was given to him by God.
The other half, uh, was the teammate that he was,
the leader that he was um all the years he
played on really bad teams and never never graped about it,
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never complained about it, um, and it never changed his
performance or his work ethic. He continuously whether we were
going to the NFC Championship or oh and or two
and fourteen or whatever they were this year, he continuously
showed up to work and continuously prepped and got himself
ready to play and and performed. So half of it's
God given. The other half is just simply the guy
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understands how to be a pro. He understands how to
be a great teammate and a great leader. What what
about Tom Bred You just mentioned that Sundays you watch football. Um,
what about Tom Brady allows him? You've mentioned the preparation
when you see him play. What about him separates him
from so many others? Well, I think a big thing, Um,
being playing for a great organization, a great owner and
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a great head coach is huge and and those are
you didn't know if you have that that benefited. But
but but he's had continuity at the offensive coordinator position,
the same head coach, the same owner, UM, who just
wants to win, which is a huge portion of it
and is the biggest portion of it is the owner
is willing to do what it takes to win. Um.
So that's a big part of it. But what I
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one of the things I think that's most amazing to
me about Brady is the conditions he's done it. And
it's hard to throw it and wind, it's hard to
throw it in constant rain, snow, sleet, whatever it is.
I mean going to the medal, Linds for all those
years now he got to go to Tampa or to
to Miami where the weather was good. But other than that,
England and New England and the numbers he's he's put
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up and you know it's it is people don't get
now now that I'm watching for Ball on TV, people
don't realize how hard some of these conditions are. Those
conditions in Kansas City. I guess that's hard to cut.
It's hard to cut the ball through the wind and
cut it accurately in the wind when the winds behind you,
when it's a side wind. I mean all the different
things that have come up. He's done it year after
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year after year, and not playing in a dome like
Manning and Breeze have in perfect conditions. You know, nine
of the games he's played in have been an inclement weather,
which is hard to do, especially as you get older
and you lose some of the zip and some of
the velocity on your ball. It's hard to still cut
it through the wind. But he's consistently done it year
after year. I think, Um, obviously he's a great player.
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I think things are really interesting in two thousand one
once they have to pay him of the salary cap
and you don't have you know, Cooper Cup on a
rookie deal anymore, you don't have, um, you don't have
the money to pay Todd Gurley's, Andrew Whitworth's Domiquan Sue Peters.
I mean, what once it's all on his shoulders and
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he's taken up, you know, fifteen or of salary cap
and it's all on him, it's gonna be interesting. Um.
But he's in a great spot right now where he's
still on his rookie deal and they can pay all
those players around him. I want to get to the
FedEx Aeron Ground NFL Player of the Year Awards, which
recognized quarterback running back performances of the two thousand eighteen
season and a second. But we started with fly fishing.
Let's let's end with fly So I like, coming on
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your show man, this is great. So but anyone I
know who's done it, like, they're just like, you don't
get it's okay, So what is it about it? Like?
So I've seen I've seen the river runs through it, right,
and so you're looking for like a ripple where the
look a lot like Brad Pitt when I'm on the water.
That's that's one thing I do. But people, you do
have you have the great beard. You still have great hair, right,
(32:43):
you have quarterback hair, which is really remarkable. You know
there's some other guys that have were, Um, you're surely included. Okay,
So so tell me the process of it. I like,
so in the in the summer, I don't wear waiters.
I just put on swim trunks and fly fishing boots
which are felt tips. So they grabbed the rocks. But
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there's nothing like walking out the backyard, opening up the
gate and just looking to the right and looking the
left and figuring do you want to go downstream or upstream?
What's the difference. It's just nothing. But it's just so.
Then what are you looking for in the water to
know where to cast? Well, I I'm getting to the
point where I know where my holes are, where the
holes that are holding fish, and and so there's one thing.
Certain areas that always hold fish within the river. There's
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certain areas that typically hold more fish. Now, crazy things
happen and they take off and they go somewhere else,
and you're trying every fly in your in your fly
box and you can't catch one. But I like, I
get out to the water, I look downstream, I look upstream.
I make a decision. I don't have my cell phone
on me. There's nobody around me. I'm in the middle
of nature. I'm looking at the mountains around me these
huge massive mountains and pine trees and the river's roaring
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and um you you start casting. I like the I
just don't even have to catch fish. I just like
trying to put my fly right there, twenty six yards away,
right behind that rock, right in front of that tree limb.
It's like it's it's an accurate thing, and I like,
I like just casting. I like being out there. There's
no my kids aren't around something like like an indoor
casting thing something now in the basement for the wind.
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I don't know. I just know that golf guys have
like the golf simulator. I just didn't know if there's
a fly fishing simulator yet. No, but they do have
a an indoor bow bow range that you It's actually
like it's kind of like a golf simulator, a bow
at a screen that has you know, videos of different animals.
It's pretty cool. He's got the fever. He's got a
bad um uh FedEx Air nominee Player of the Year,
(34:33):
Breeze Mahomes, Rivers, Rivers, still still still doing it, still
doing it and still popping out more kids right like,
you've got four, he's got eight. That's a lot of kids.
That's no chance. He knows all their names, no chance
for their birthdates. Um. And in the ground nominees UH
for Player of the Year, Ezekie Elliott, Todd Gurley is
sa Kwon Barkley awesome to have you great to catch
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up and um yeah, make sure you log on a vote.
You can vote on the Twitter NFL hashtag Aaron Graham
dot com. I'm not on big on Twitter at all. Um,
but you can also vote on NFL dot com. UH
forward slash FedEx voting in tomorrow. I get to hand
their word out at the Honors show on Saturday night.
I voted for Patrick Mahomes and Ezekiel Elliott. Will see
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who wins, all right, So you'll be there Saturday night.
You beat the worts the game Sunday, I'm on a
flight back. When will you be When will you be
fishing or hunting Sunday? Sunday afternoon? No, No, I'm gonna
watch the game Monday. Right now. It's cold. Right now,
it's two degrees, so I gotta hit There's an hour
or two where it's the warmest. That's when fish are feeding.
I will be on the river at one two o'clock.
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Last week, people were freaking out about Roger Goodell. When's
Roger Goodell gonna say something? Well, if you know the
way the deal works. Roger Goodell every year on on
Wednesday gives the proverbial State of the NFL Union Address,
(00:46):
and he had this to say earlier today on the
miscall in the NFC Championship game. It's a play that
should be called. We're gonna make sure that we do
everything possible to address the issues going forward and and
see if their improvements that we can make through to
replay or anything else. I understand the emotions, but I
understand the stage, and I understand the importance of it
to New Orleans and to this franchise and to the NFL.
(01:09):
I made them aware of the fact that I was
committed to doing everything possible to think outside the box
and try to come up with solutions. Yeah, I mean look,
he was also asked, you know why he hasn't spoken
about It's like, look, we called Sean Payton right after
the game, like our of Roun, who's in charge of
the officials, called him right after the football game, not
(01:32):
the next day, not the next week. He called him
right enough to get matter of fact before the press conference.
Have you ever heard of that in sports ever? Like
all you ever want to hear is somebody go, my bad.
We screwed up right, and the NFL did that, which
only proves the point that I've had for a long time,
which is you're you're literally in a no win situation
(01:55):
if you're the commissioner. Like like, people hate the commissioner
for reasons basically because he makes a lot of money,
and he makes a lot of money because people don't
understand what his job is. His job is to make
the owners a bunch of money and have a healthy league,
and they do. He's got two teams that moved to
l A. Both those teams had to pay relocation fees.
(02:17):
He's got a team with Vegas, they gotta pay to
look relocation fee. And guess what you expand in the
l a market that helps the league. All of that
money goes to the rest of the team's same thing
with the Vegas money, and all that money is gonna
help pay off this concussion lawsuit, which came in light
of two billion dollars. Oh, then Any expanded to Thursday
(02:38):
night football. Then he split Thursday Night Football into two
and then when the ratings were down with NBC and CBS,
he told Fox, hey, guess what you can have it.
You can actually pay more money, and they did. They
gave him a better schedule and guess what, it worked.
Oh and he's playing games overseas, those of success. Why
because it's a new TV window that the TV affiliates
(03:01):
don't get charged for. He's playing in Mexico. See like this,
Dude's because that's his job, is the business side. And
when there's an officiating call, he's got a guy for
that who took the bullet for those officials and picked
up the phone and called and when it was the
proper time to address it in public, he did. This
(03:23):
is what we do. You know, we like our congressmen.
We don't like Congress. We don't like any of the commissioners,
except for maybe Adam Silver, who people like, even though
Adam Silver's league right now is being laughed at because
you've got a guy who's a star in the league,
who's a year and a half away from having his
contract run out, and he's demanding to be traded, like
(03:48):
I thought, Roger Adell came out looking great, and then
he pointed out take a list to Roger Goodell talking
about the potential changes to officiating crews. I don't think
adding an official is a an answer to all the issues,
and to particularly this issue. We have evaluated an eighth official.
It's on the Competition Committee agenda. It has been uh
and so we will just explore that. But I think
(04:10):
that in and of itself is not just going to
be a simple that will avoid all mistakes. Adding another
an eighth official is one more human, one more human,
that will make mistakes like all the rest of us.
When has another opinion ever made things easier? You tell
me that time when remember the remember the dress thing?
(04:30):
Remember the dress thing on the internet. Was it was
it blue? Or was it wasn't? Or was it white
or was it gold right or something like that. Remember
the dress thing. And the more people you ask, the
more answers you got, and none of the answers were right.
None of the answers are right. It's like this massive
weather system which is going through the Midwest, which if
(04:53):
you listen to us in the Midwest, God bless you,
you know, like, sorry, man, I can't do I couldn't
can't do it. Yes, you are just tougher than us,
those of us who that the idea that you can't
go to school because you're supposed to stay inside. Think
about that. We live people in this country live in
parts of the planet where you know what, it's so cold,
(05:14):
just stay inside for the entire day. Is it snowing?
Not really? Is it raining no? Is it ice? No?
It's just so damn cold you cannot go outside. That's crazy.
That's crazy. But if you asked fifteen weathermen what what
one storm is gonna do, You're gonna get fifteen different answers.
So the idea of hey, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta,
(05:35):
I gotta solution here, let's have another ref that'll fix it. No,
it's just another opinion. And you could say, well, it's
another eye in the sky, and you can you can
review things like judgment calls. But what happens when you
review judgment calls guys are hesitant to make a judgment.
(05:59):
You'll have the opposite of the intended effect. That's what
always happens. Always. You know, one of the things that
happens in the Nation Football League if you watch the games,
and this will happen to the super Bowl, su it
happens in college football. Have you noticed that no one
blows the play dead anymore? Have you noticed that he
even knows. You're watching an an NFL game, watching a
(06:21):
college football game, and the guy gets up and keeps running,
and then they'll like start blowing the whistle, or maybe
they don't. Do you know why nobody blows the whistle
because they don't want to be the guy that blew
it dead. And then replay has them blowing it dead
when the play wasn't dead. That's exactly what will happen
if you add the ability to change judgment calls like
(06:43):
past interference. I told you last week, Okay, how far
back in the play can we go to see if
a penalty was committed? Because a lot of the p
I s a lot of defensive past interference. The wide
receiver runs around the wide receiver, pushes off the wide receiver.
They is open, and the defense closes the space that
was created by the push off. And we want to
(07:05):
judge only the push off, I mean, we want to
judge only, uh, the last second of the play instead
of the entirety of the play. So when can replay
go back to the start of the play or at
only the end when the penalty was called? The Oh yeah,
by the way, if you're gonna wipe off penalty flags
that our judgment calls in the game, you know it's
gonna happen. No one's gonna call a penalty. Do you
(07:26):
want to be the guy that throws the flag that
gets picked up? Of course you don't. It's the same
reason most people don't raise their hands when a teacher
asked a question in class. You don't be the guy
that good gets it wrong. You want to be that guy.
What's the capital of the state of California? You raise
(07:46):
your hand, You're like Los Angeles, ha ha, Like all right,
how do you remember to a Sacramento? Helena Montana, Right,
Helena Montana. Uh, Pierre was South Dakota. Is that right?
South Dakota? I don't know. My point is when has
more ever been more? It's not less is more unless
(08:09):
it's more as a cliche because it's overused, you know what,
it's because cliche, it's overused because it's true. Hey, you
know what, we haven't what what? What roder Adelle said
was football game has played on a football field by people,
and it's officiated by people, and people are imperfect. And
what he should have said is we have a really
good game, and people search for perfection. It doesn't exist.
(08:34):
And so, yeah, we screwed it up, But so did
Sean Payton or Drew Brees. Not running the football on
first down, second down, third down, just take a knee,
run the clock down, kicked the field goal. Oh yeah,
by the way, you could have gotten to stop and
then you got the ball back at the start of overtime,
and you could have not thrown a pick, and then
you could have gotten to stop again, and you didn't.
He didn't say all of that. He said, Hey, we
(08:56):
screwed up. We didn't wait as soon as they ran
off the field. Al river Ron, who's in charge, that's
under his purview, not mine. It's his job, and he
admitted mistakes so that when Sean Payton went to the
DAIS he could say, I just talked to Al river
Run and they said they made a mistake. Have you
ever heard that in the history of sports. Never, It's
(09:18):
never happened in baseball. It's never happened in college basketball,
college football, or the NBA basketball. NBA basketball, they have
the last two minute report. It comes out like a
day or two later. They have one official for both
baseball and football football, baseball and basketball who meets with
the media after the game and says he has, like
(09:39):
the pool reporter, what did you see? But that's not
even the end all be all. These reports usually come
out a day or two later. The NFL was on
top of it, and yeah, it sucks, sucks, or you're
sayings fan, it does. It would have sucked to your
Rams fan and you had pass interfering, you had a
(10:01):
face mask on the call before that wasn't called. And
Rams fans obviously don't have room to complain about it
now because they're playing on Sunday. But of course nobody
likes commissioner because he makes a bunch of money, Because
his league. UH is an out of control freight training success.
And this is what we do as what we do.
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I can't think of any more pressure on a kid
than what Baker Mayfield has gone through, and he seems
to thrive in a lim bit of chaos. Tony. I'm
from walking away from Texas Tech to Oklahoma and walking
(10:46):
back on and then winning the job, winning Eyes Been Trophy,
being a finalist three times, beating for a national title,
and then be the number one over pick. He's supposed
to be the savior in Cleveland, and they have a
coaching change mid season and dysfunction within the offensive? Uh
offensive Brett room right, just function within. You got Todd
Haley not get along with Hugh Jackson and there they
(11:07):
both get fired. And what do you do with he
set the rookie touchdown record? How about that Baker Mayfield
joining us on behalf of PEPSI in the two thousand
eighteen NFL Rookie of the Year Award. Baker, thanks so
much for taking time. Um did you won the Heisman Trophy,
you get drafted first overall. You you turn around the Browns,
your coach she gets fired, your offensive coording here gets fired.
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What's this world would have been like for you? It's
exactly what you said, a whirlwind. I mean a lot
of things have happened, you know, in the past year
and some change. It's been unbelievable really, and I've been
a dream come true. Um, trying to kind of look
back on it now and now that I have a
time to really breathe and be thankful for what, you know,
what I've been blessed with. If you could go back
(11:48):
and go, I want a mulligan on one thing, what
would it be? Oh? Um, there's there's too many to
just just pick one. Um, it's it's gotta be that
the last drive against the Ravens, you know, missing the
out route to Jarvis on the inside and um not
(12:08):
converting on on earlier down to be able to we
weren't in a situation where you had to going forward
and forth. Okay, if there's one thing that you take
great July pride in that hasn't gotten it's due right,
like like, uh, you had that really funny bit with
Cooper Manning about the about the Bengal. Right, like, dude,
I owned that Bengal. Right, I'm a Brown. I owned
(12:30):
the Bengal. That was it was awesome. There's other things
that that people that that you know that other people don't,
that that you wish people would recognize. What would it be? Um?
I think you know how much fun I'm having with it.
You know, I'm I'm being myself and like it or not,
Like you don't have to like it. I'm not looking
for approval, but I'm really living out a dream and
(12:50):
I truly believe that. And so I'm trying to enjoy
every single day, um, and trying to inspire others and
you know, have a have a you know, inspirational feel
on on other people and be a role model. Um.
You know what too, have a confidence level. Just be yourself,
be proud of who you are, don't be ashamed of it.
Did you read the Seth Wickersham article on what's gone
on behind the scenes at the Browns the past couple
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of years and into this year. I did not, but
I was told by a lot of people what it was. Um.
They said it was pretty long. Um, and you're like
I'm I've done my studying. I'm good, I'm there Now.
It's about what's going on right now. The past is
the past, and for people to you know what, the
past doesn't matter right now. It's about what we're gonna
(13:31):
do for the future and what we're doing right now.
You're your new head coach is the interim offensive coordinator,
but he was the running backs coach at the start
of the year. Like, like, you want to talk about
an ascension. I mean, I don't know between you starting
as a freshman as a walk on at Tech and
a guy going from a running back coach to the
head coach of the Browns. Um, when did you When
(13:51):
did you know like this dude can't do it? Um
just talking to him seeing uh, you know where he
was at mentally. You know, he was the QB coach
in Arizona, and so when I had conversations with him,
he was very smart new ball obviously, but then how
he was able to relate to all the guys, uh,
get them to believe themselves and just get everybody on
(14:11):
the same page. And so I think that was the
most important thing and I was most impressed with that
was he went from obviously that running back job where
he was only affecting what three or four guys, and
then he came the offensive coordinator and he had the
whole thing, and then now he's the head coach. It's
just how he's able to adapt but still be that
same person, still be that same guy that everybody believes
and don't change. And he is that guy. Uh Chub
(14:34):
told us, he said, you do you you get on
him because he's still country, right, He like, like he's
now the head coach and he is from Alabama. Yeah,
that that you just you you ride him that how
country is. But that's kind of that's kind of what
you talked about. And it's kind of one and the
same with can you be a a quarterback and talk
(14:56):
trash to the other team? Can you? Because like no
one does that. I mean, no one watched Still Rivers
ever play. I mean, like everybody acts like what I
do is so jaw dropping. I mean, you watch some
of these guys. You gotta be a competitor out there.
I mean you watch Tom Brady, He's very competitive. You
know what. Everybody expresses in different ways, But I am
who I am and that's how I express it. I'm
gonna let you know that I want to beat you. Obviously,
(15:17):
that's everybody's goal is to win. But I'm gonna make
it loud and clear. I'm gonna try and get in
your head, and I'm still gonna do my job on
the side. And I think that's what everybody's worried about.
His Quarterbacks normally don't talk trash because they have their
job to worry about. But I've been able to do
it to where I can talk trash and then still
get my job done. And I think, you know, if
there comes a time where I'm not getting my job done,
I won't I won't be talking. Um. Kyler now is
(15:39):
considering football, right, and uh like he took what you
did and then, by some people's estimation, maybe even topped it.
Dead dudes are freak. But people said that you're small.
Tyler is really small. So what do you think that
what do you think that the challenges are for him
at the level that you now know and you now
played at um finding windows throw But you know what
(16:01):
I said it last year when I was going through
the draft process, we had an NFL sized offensive line.
So throwing over people finding windows is something that we
had to adapt to, and we're used to. He's been
doing it his whole life. And when it comes down
to it, people can say what they want. The kid
can He'll time out at four three and forty if
he runs it. Yeah. He's strong, really strong, great leader,
(16:23):
and he's a winner. Most importantly, uh An nfl GM
told me, he said, look, he's Doug Flutie with Mike
Vick's athleticism. Absolutely absolutely, And that's that's true. Yeah, And
and I also said that, and he also and I've been,
I've been. Now people are starting to come around to it.
I want you to know, I'm the I was the
first to go, like, hey, the whole baseball thing, you
get paid some money up front, but you don't make
(16:45):
real money until like year five or six. Whereas if
your draft, if he's a first round pick, he gets
money right away and he's a pro right away, and
he starts that clock towards that second contract exactly. But
it's not even about the contract thing. To me, it's about,
you know, him wanting to play football, him wanting to
do that. He's passed, he's passionate about both. But um
riding around in a minor league bust around the country
doesn't sound very fun, And I think that's what it
(17:07):
comes down to for him is being able to compete
and live out his dream. And I think that's funny.
In the NFL, what's the secret sauce for for turning
going from almost winning twinning? Obviously there was a coaching change,
but like, look, when you got there, there's always the
sense of the Browns are gonna screw it up, right,
the Browns always lose, and then you got no, no,
But that's what it was when you got there, right,
won one game two and then at the start of
(17:28):
the season, you should have a first game of the year.
You should have won, right, and you said there, like, ah,
they're the Browns. They still can't kind of figure out
what's the seat. How did you turn that from expectations
being something bad would happen to expectations being something good
would happen, Because that's what happened in the middle of
the season, even more so than the coaching change. But
it wasn't just me, um, we had the right pieces.
We just need guys to believe in it, you know,
(17:49):
to trust each other and to you know what realized
what we had in the locker room and just come together.
And I think that was the most important thing was
you could feel the energy before the season within the
locker room, guys realizing, all right, we got some key players,
We've got all of this and let's put it together
and just you know, finding ways to win is the
most important when people haven't done it in a long time,
and then building consistency. Do you feel any any sorrow
(18:13):
at all for putting my boy Cowherd in the body back? None? No,
none at all. Uh Baker Mayfield joining us, he's up
for the PEPSI Rookie of the Year's finalist. He Nick Chubb,
Philip Lindsay, Darius Leonard Say, Kwan Barkley, No, Dorwan James
who also could be be on this list. Um, to
live up to the hype, like you're number one pick
and many people I thought Sam Donald would go one overall,
(18:35):
it's he's not on this list to live up to it.
That has to. That has to for a guy who
loves to prove people wrong. You're proving the Browns right,
aren't you by being on this list? Um? You know what,
I set my own expectations and so that's that's the
most important thing for me. Um, you know what, I'm
glad they took a chance and believed in me, and
so for me now, um being able to do that
(18:56):
for them, and then I gotta take the next step.
You know, I'm not satisfied with what we've done. We
did even have a winning record, but you know, there's
change being made and that's the positive thing to look at,
and so we gotta build on that and keep going
and keep going. What's the one thing you have to
do to improve? Take care of the ball and just
put us in a good position to win every game. Man,
unbelievable year, unbelievable. And you've seem to be having a
(19:17):
lot of fun with him, which is what it's all about.
Like if I was in your position, like you know what, dude,
I'd be having a lot of fun with it as well.
I can't wait to see the next photos spread. Thanks
for joining us. Be sure to catch live edition so
the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days at noon eastern
three pm Pacific. It's an honored to be joined by
the guy who maybe until Sam Donald, even with Sam Donald,
was the best regards, the best Orange County prospect to
(19:38):
make it in college and the nash Football League. He's
a borderline Hall of Famer. He's Carson Palmer. He joins
us on the Doug gott Leap Show and Carson obviously,
Oh I forgot I mentioned Burline. Uh, you know Murdovich
a little bit over the me flamed out. Matt Liner
didn't have the pro career. You had the great college
career like that. Fair Sanchez came out of Orange County. Um,
(20:00):
he did go to af C championship games. But like, um, yeah,
there's a lot of California quarterbacks, not as many as
you'd expect out of Southern California. I mean, you go
up north, you got Brady, you got Elway, There's a
handful of other guys. Um, but yeah, there's not a
ton out of southern like there should be, right, do
you miss? I missed very few parts in very few pieces.
(20:26):
But I'm really enjoying um retirement. Um. I have heard
so I worked, I did, I've done shows a Tjo
hashman Zada and he says, Carson Palmer is the biggest
hunter fisher you've ever seen. Like, that's that's what you're into.
That's your jam, right, didn't you guys? You got I
don't want to say the location, but you guys bought
a place in one of the beautiful climates in the
(20:48):
Live in Idaho. Say my address, but want to give
it away right ve in Idaho. I'm I'm on a river.
I fly fish as much as I have four kids,
so that takes up a good chunk of of life. Um,
but I love fly fishing. I'm addicted to fly fishing.
I think I've actually was thinking about it right before
I came on the show. What part of the river
I was gonna hit when I get back home. But
(21:09):
I love to hunt, I love to fish, I love
I love being outside. Did this happened? Okay? You've got
up for for people and are like listen, you grew
up in southern California, right, Okay, So Mission Viejo is
great suburb. If you're going down I five to San Diego,
it's like smack dab in between l A and San Diego.
No fishing, no hunting, no fishing, no hunting, And like, look,
(21:31):
you can go to the mountains, or you can go
on a hike or whatever. So when was the first
time you went fly fishing? Uh? Well, I grew up
going to Idaho with a buddy of mine, Sugar Roey
and his family had to place sn Idaho, and so
that was my first fly fishing experience. But I really
got into being in the outdoors when I played in Cincinnati.
I lived kind of in the middle of nowhere. I
had a bunch of woods in my backyard, had no
(21:52):
idea what I was doing. A buddy of mine who
I played with, Doug Johnson, he played quarterback at Florida
and then played for the Bengals for a couple of years.
He took me and what wh when you went hunting
in the first times? Deer hunting? Deer hunting, boy, I've
never shot a bow. He doesn't tell me anything. I'm
sitting in a tree stand for an hour, six in
the morning. It's cold, it's cold. I don't see I'm
(22:14):
sitting in tree stand. I'm moving around, I'm looking for
I'm like, dude, I don't see any deer. We get
back to the truck. I'm like, I don't. Don't take
me out on that again. He's he's like, what were
you doing. I was like, I was sitting up. He's like, no,
you can't move. You have to sit still. So sure, enough,
we go the next day off during the season, you
have Tuesday's off, so he takes me Tuesday. I'm sitting
in a tree stand. I'm doing everything he told me
to do, and sure enough, this massive ten point buck
(22:34):
walks out and I just my heart almost popped out
on my chest. I almost fell out of the tree.
And I was addicted ever since. So did you did
you shoot? Because I didn't know. I hadn't shot the bow,
so I didn't really know like how to lot. He
just kind of it's it's like, I don't know. I
had the same experience with my father in law when
I'm in Oklahoma state and he's like, well, you won't
go for deer hunting, And the first time I fell
asleep in the tree stand, I was like bored. You know.
(22:57):
He gives you a cup of coffee, you know, and
you drink a couple of coffe Like, oh, you can't
have coffee because the smell. You know, you gotta stuff
put a deer sent stuff on your shoes. Whatever. I'm
up at a tree stand, I'm freezing cold. I'm like
this sucks. And then yeah, walks out. Okay, but but
I I had a gun with me which is a
really bad idea. So when did you go in and
did you Now? Well, what I tell people is you
(23:20):
know you got it or you don't got it. So
when that deer walks out, if you're like, oh cool,
there's a deer, you don't got it. But when that
deer walks out and your your chest starts pounding and
your knees start quivering, and then you have to draw
the bow in your arms, that's when you know. I
have the bug. I I love this, I enjoy it.
My kids love it. I take them. Um, well, we'll
(23:41):
harvest the deer. Will We'll make burgers, will make loins,
will make pork chops, will make lapeno poppers. They love
eating venison. Will go duck hunting. We eat duck all
all Um, we'll cook the duck. We i'd catch and
release fish. I have a buddy, by the way, who
has the greatest duck hunting cabin. It's in it's in
it's in can this but right near the Arkansas. He's
(24:02):
an Arkansas guy. But it's in Parsons, Kansas. And I'll
hook you up. It's no it's no problem. It's one
text away. He's taking a lot of guys. But he
has no that have He has no idea about sports either,
so he's not gonna like ask you about about something,
right an amazing dude, You'll you'll love it. Okay. So
that's what happened to Carson Palmer, Um and you. But
(24:26):
there's no there's no man, I'm watching Tom Brady and
he's going to his ninth and that should on some
forem fashion that should be me. Oh, no doubt. I mean,
there's there's Sunday. I watched football on Sundays and I
watched college football now, which I never watched college football
when I was playing, because you're always traveling, you're going
to the team hotel. I do not want to coach,
absolutely don't want to hunt fishing. Hunting and fishing does
(24:48):
not coincide with football. So um no, I mean I
I watch it. I miss Sundays. I miss um the
challenge and the expectation and the pressure being the franchise quarterback.
I do miss that, um, But I don't miss the
offseason trying. I really don't miss being in the gym.
I have not been in the gym since I stopped playing.
(25:09):
And as you get older and Tom Brady is a
perfect example. You end up spending five, six seven hours
of your day preparing your body for the upcoming season.
I don't miss that. I got really tired of being
in the gym, working out and preparing to play at
thirty five and thirty eight and as my as my
career went on. So I really, I really got um
(25:30):
burnt out on that side of it. And that's one
of the things that blows you away about Brady's He's
not He's enjoys it. Still, at some point the burnout
is gonna happen or his body is just gonna give out. Um.
But that that's the part that I don't miss. I
don't miss getting hit. I don't miss the way I
would feel on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is getting ready to
play that next Sunday game. But there's no doubt I
missed the Sundays and and your career, your career trajectory
(25:53):
might have been different if the rules, you know, which
is kind of the Brady rule, right, he got rolled
up on it, but that was after you got rolled
up on. Now they can't hit eyes below the leg. People, remember,
you signed a huge contract with Cincinnati. You're playing the Bengals,
at home, right, Like, that's how good you guys were.
You had a home game against the Steelers in the playoffs,
and he rolls up on your knee like, I think
you never spend any time going like my career trajectory
(26:14):
would be different if the rules were then what they
are today. I don't play that game. You know, how
do you do that? How do you not? How do
you how do you have the balance in your life?
I guess that's an Idaho thing, fly fishing, and you
have no issues at all with the world. Hey, some
some guys win five or six super Bowls. Some guys
don't win any. I'm I'm the ladder. Um, you know what.
I've loved to have won multiple super Bowls or just one,
(26:36):
absolutely with without without a doubt. But I don't ever
look back and play the KULDO would have should a
game because you're just gonna drive yourself nuts. I'm I
was blessed to play for fifteen years. I played with
some great guys, I played for some awesome coaches. Um
you know I I look back and and um I
enjoyed it. I put everything I could have possibly put
(26:57):
into it, So I don't have any regrets. In that guard.
Do I regret not winning Super Bowl? Absolutely? But I
gave it my all and it didn't work out. Carson
Palmer joining us here in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Tradio. You mentioned the guys you played with,
and there's a variety of them, right from Larry Fitzgerald,
who the guy could run, Guy could run for governor
and win, guy could run for commissioner and they boot
(27:17):
Cadell in a second, right, he's that beloved then to
like t J who grows up as like a hood
rat and becomes a stud, to to to Chad who's
a nut but freaky, freaky talented. So when I watched Brady,
I think the other question is how does he relate? Like, look, dude,
you grew up in Orange County and uh, you know,
(27:38):
you went to a great school, you went to a
prestigious college, and then you know you're the you're the
franchise quarterback with the Bengals and then became with the Cardinals.
How did you how did you manage to relate to
guys that came from such different background where you can't
and and you never will. Um, you don't know what
I didn't know what it's like to grow up the
way t J did or the way hundreds of teammates did.
I knew what it was like to grow up my way.
(27:59):
But I think what the ultimate thing that comes in
into play is just is just respect. Um. I respected.
There's always guys you don't respect. But I respected most
of the teammates I ever played with, and I think
most of them respected me. And the way I earned
respect was work. Um, always being the first guy at
the stadium, always you know guys are coming in and
(28:21):
right before team meeting and I've already worked out or
I've already watched film, and being the last guy. So
you don't relate. Um. The only thing you can relate
with guys on the same level of is respect and
the respect you give them the respect they give you,
and the only respect. The only way to get respect
from them is by your work ethic. It's not from
how I grew up or how how tough I had
it at age ten or fifteen or whatever. It is.
(28:43):
It's just about respect. You mentioned fits and how he's
the best. What is it about him that makes them
it makes him the best? Well, his his God given
ability is half of it. And and It's only half
of it, um, I mean his his ability to run
routes and and his physical um, the way he plays
his hands. He also moved on the inside with you
(29:04):
when whereas whereas like a lot of guys with their
ego like hey moving inside and right side in block linebackers,
he blocked Cam Chancellor over and over again. I mean
he so so half of it is is what he
did on the field that was given to him by God.
The other half, uh, was the teammate that he was,
the leader that he was um all the years he
played on really bad teams and never never graped about it,
(29:27):
never complained about it, um, and it never changed his
performance or his work ethic. He continuously whether we were
going to the NFC Championship or oh and or two
and fourteen or whatever they were this year, he continuously
showed up to work and continuously prepped and got himself
ready to play and and performed. So half of it's
God given. The other half is just simply the guy
(29:49):
understands how to be a pro. He understands how to
be a great teammate and a great leader. What what
about Tom Bred You just mentioned that Sundays you watch football. Um,
what about Tom Brady allows him? You've mentioned the preparation
when you see him play. What about him separates him
from so many others? Well, I think a big thing, Um,
being playing for a great organization, a great owner and
(30:12):
a great head coach is huge and and those are
you didn't know if you have that that benefited. But
but but he's had continuity at the offensive coordinator position,
the same head coach, the same owner, UM, who just
wants to win, which is a huge portion of it
and is the biggest portion of it is the owner
is willing to do what it takes to win. Um.
So that's a big part of it. But what I
(30:33):
one of the things I think that's most amazing to
me about Brady is the conditions he's done it. And
it's hard to throw it and wind, it's hard to
throw it in constant rain, snow, sleet, whatever it is.
I mean going to the medal, Linds for all those
years now he got to go to Tampa or to
to Miami where the weather was good. But other than that,
England and New England and the numbers he's he's put
(30:54):
up and you know it's it is people don't get
now now that I'm watching for Ball on TV, people
don't realize how hard some of these conditions are. Those
conditions in Kansas City. I guess that's hard to cut.
It's hard to cut the ball through the wind and
cut it accurately in the wind when the winds behind you,
when it's a side wind. I mean all the different
things that have come up. He's done it year after
(31:16):
year after year, and not playing in a dome like
Manning and Breeze have in perfect conditions. You know, nine
of the games he's played in have been an inclement weather,
which is hard to do, especially as you get older
and you lose some of the zip and some of
the velocity on your ball. It's hard to still cut
it through the wind. But he's consistently done it year
after year. I think, Um, obviously he's a great player.
(31:39):
I think things are really interesting in two thousand one
once they have to pay him of the salary cap
and you don't have you know, Cooper Cup on a
rookie deal anymore, you don't have, um, you don't have
the money to pay Todd Gurley's, Andrew Whitworth's Domiquan Sue Peters.
I mean, what once it's all on his shoulders and
(32:00):
he's taken up, you know, fifteen or of salary cap
and it's all on him, it's gonna be interesting. Um.
But he's in a great spot right now where he's
still on his rookie deal and they can pay all
those players around him. I want to get to the
FedEx Aeron Ground NFL Player of the Year Awards, which
recognized quarterback running back performances of the two thousand eighteen
season and a second. But we started with fly fishing.
Let's let's end with fly So I like, coming on
(32:21):
your show man, this is great. So but anyone I
know who's done it, like, they're just like, you don't
get it's okay, So what is it about it? Like?
So I've seen I've seen the river runs through it, right,
and so you're looking for like a ripple where the
look a lot like Brad Pitt when I'm on the water.
That's that's one thing I do. But people, you do
have you have the great beard. You still have great hair, right,
(32:43):
you have quarterback hair, which is really remarkable. You know
there's some other guys that have were, Um, you're surely included. Okay,
So so tell me the process of it. I like,
so in the in the summer, I don't wear waiters.
I just put on swim trunks and fly fishing boots
which are felt tips. So they grabbed the rocks. But
(33:03):
there's nothing like walking out the backyard, opening up the
gate and just looking to the right and looking the
left and figuring do you want to go downstream or upstream?
What's the difference. It's just nothing. But it's just so.
Then what are you looking for in the water to
know where to cast? Well, I I'm getting to the
point where I know where my holes are, where the
holes that are holding fish, and and so there's one thing.
Certain areas that always hold fish within the river. There's
(33:25):
certain areas that typically hold more fish. Now, crazy things
happen and they take off and they go somewhere else,
and you're trying every fly in your in your fly
box and you can't catch one. But I like, I
get out to the water, I look downstream, I look upstream.
I make a decision. I don't have my cell phone
on me. There's nobody around me. I'm in the middle
of nature. I'm looking at the mountains around me these
huge massive mountains and pine trees and the river's roaring
(33:48):
and um you you start casting. I like the I
just don't even have to catch fish. I just like
trying to put my fly right there, twenty six yards away,
right behind that rock, right in front of that tree limb.
It's like it's it's an accurate thing, and I like,
I like just casting. I like being out there. There's
no my kids aren't around something like like an indoor
casting thing something now in the basement for the wind.
(34:11):
I don't know. I just know that golf guys have
like the golf simulator. I just didn't know if there's
a fly fishing simulator yet. No, but they do have
a an indoor bow bow range that you It's actually
like it's kind of like a golf simulator, a bow
at a screen that has you know, videos of different animals.
It's pretty cool. He's got the fever. He's got a
bad um uh FedEx Air nominee Player of the Year,
(34:33):
Breeze Mahomes, Rivers, Rivers, still still still doing it, still
doing it and still popping out more kids right like,
you've got four, he's got eight. That's a lot of kids.
That's no chance. He knows all their names, no chance
for their birthdates. Um. And in the ground nominees UH
for Player of the Year, Ezekie Elliott, Todd Gurley is
sa Kwon Barkley awesome to have you great to catch
(34:54):
up and um yeah, make sure you log on a vote.
You can vote on the Twitter NFL hashtag Aaron Graham
dot com. I'm not on big on Twitter at all. Um,
but you can also vote on NFL dot com. UH
forward slash FedEx voting in tomorrow. I get to hand
their word out at the Honors show on Saturday night.
I voted for Patrick Mahomes and Ezekiel Elliott. Will see
(35:17):
who wins, all right, So you'll be there Saturday night.
You beat the worts the game Sunday, I'm on a
flight back. When will you be When will you be
fishing or hunting Sunday? Sunday afternoon? No, No, I'm gonna
watch the game Monday. Right now. It's cold. Right now,
it's two degrees, so I gotta hit There's an hour
or two where it's the warmest. That's when fish are feeding.
I will be on the river at one two o'clock.
(35:38):
Carson Palmer, he's doing okay for him self post football.
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