February 8, 2019 • 35 mins
Dan Beyer and Aaron Torres fill in for Doug, and they react to the Lakers dramatic come from behind win over the Celtics. Dan also tells Aaron why he thinks the 76ers are the most overrated team in the NBA. Patriots DL Lawrence Guy joins the show to tell the guys what it was like to win the Super Bowl and what happened at the after party.
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It is a Friday. We're glad to have you with
us here on Fox Sports Radio. And which one is it?
Are the Lakers really bad or the Lakers really good
at something? We're gonna try to figure out over the
next three hours or so, because this week it has
been something else involving those Los Angeles Lakers. Aaron I
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will say this, they are very much in the news.
And I am so grateful for Anthony Davis, Lebron James
and Rich Paul because, as I told you the other night, Dan,
if they weren't in our lives right now, we would
be spending three hours talking Nick Foles free agency. He's
gonna go to Jack's? Is he gonna go to the Dolphins?
Where is Nick Foles. Oh no, we don't have to talk.
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I will say this as well. While the NBA trade
deadline didn't give us the big name moved maybe outside
of Marcusol and Marquelle Folts, the fact that Anthony Davis
wasn't moved continues the possibility of even more stories. And
it's a really good possibility. Otherwise, if Anthony Davis was dealt,
I think we would have felt it was a foregone
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conclusion that he would likely then re up with the
Lakers when he could, and that would be the end
of the Anthony Davis saga. Now, while it may be
on hiatus for the next four or five months until
July one comes around, until that point, we're gonna be
talking about the playoffs. We're gonna be talking about the
NBA Finals. And then when the NBA Finals is done,
the storyline pops up again with so many other storylines
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in the NBA. So it's almost the gift that keeps
on giving. Even though the Pelicans and Lakers couldn't get
a deal done at the trade deadline. Yeah, I don't
even know how much hiatus it's on because of the
fact that, let's never forget one, the Pelicans have now
decided to replay him. But I feel like this is
going to be a situation every night. Is he playing?
Is he not? If he's out, what does it mean
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Is he really hurt? Are they holding him out? But
then also with what happened with the Lakers last night,
it just becomes an ever evolving new chapter to soap opera.
Lakers beat the Celtics on a buzzer beater by Rajen
Rondo in a game that went back and forth in
the final minutes with Lebron hitting a three and then
the Celtics able to score. Then Calcusma comes through, Kyrie
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Irving hits a big bucket and then with no time outs,
chaos ensued and Rondo hits the buzzer beater on a
loose ball. Lakers end up winning. And that's where we
are right now with the Lakers and who they are
as a basketball team, because there were two completely different
basketball teams wearing Laker uniforms over the past seventy two hours.
There was the team in Indianapolis that lost to the
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Pacers by forty two points, and then there was a
team in Boston last night that ended up winning by
one against the team that was one of the hotter
teams in the NBA, who won five in a row,
who had won nine of their last ten, who are
moving up in the Eastern Conference standings. So that now
begs the question, with all of this a d junk
in the rear view mirror, what is the real Lakers
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team that we've got? And as as I posed this question,
and I posed this scenario erin, I'm just gonna answer it.
The outlier to me is the forty two point effort
on Tuesday, with all of the garbage and the trade
talks and the rumors swirling. That's the outlier to me.
The outlier wasn't last night's game against the Boston Celtics.
The outlier was what happened on Tuesday. When you lose
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in Lebron's first loss by forty points or more, they
lose by forty two, that doesn't always happen. When you
take a step back and look what the Lakers are
and now what the Lakers have ahead of them, I
think the future is very bright. I don't know if
last night. I don't think last night is that monumental
turnaround where we're gonna see them take off. I think
it's everything involved that is going to allow the Lakers
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to turn around at the New Orleans Pelicans by not
taking the Lakers deal, in a way save the Lakers
from themselves. And that's what I think we've got with
the Lakers now moving forward, is we get a real
sense of who the Lakers are because they weren't that
team Tuesday night in Indianapolis. I think, certainly, I think
Tuesday was an aberration. Whenever Lebron James suffers the worst
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loss of his entire career, you're gonna sit back and say, yeah,
that's probably not gonna happen again. But I actually disagree
with you on this. I think, look, it's it's great
that they got the win. It's great that they're jumping
around and and it's like high school, you beat, you
beat the buzzer, and everyone's best friends. But I still
think when those guys go back in that locker room,
it is a locker room divided. It is guys in
their own factions, in their own camps. I still think
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a Lonzo Balls instagram, we ain't going nowhere like, I
think that is more reflective of the guys that are
in the locker room. And to me, this just goes
back to what we hear athletes say in every sport
whenever there's some kind of in house drama. We have
a job to do. We're focused on the task at hand.
And I think the Lakers can separate the fact that
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they have to perform when they step on the court
from the fact that I think a lot of them
just don't like Number twenty three right now, once they
step off the court, they may not like him because
they were the ones involved. And I'm not sure on
how much of the blame is is if it's a
on Lebron, if it's if it's it could be five percent.
We we don't know right now. We have our own theories,
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but I will say this, I don't think last night
was the turning point. What I think last night was
this was the Laker team that the Lakers felt that
they were all season long before Lebron got hurt. And
that's why what I think is the most important thing
about this Dougas said on this show that the Lakers
feel they're one of the top teams in the West,
like they feel as a team that they are one
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of the best teams in the Western Conference. Maybe just
shy of the Golden State Warriors. Your opinion may be different.
My opinion may be different, but that's how the Lakers
felt as a team, that they were that close to
being a top seed in the Western Conference. Right now
as you look at the standings, they're on the outside
looking in. But remember, you did have Lebron for a month.
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Ye had Kyle Kuzma out yet Rajon Rondo missing time,
who it's the game winner last night? Lonzo Ball is
still out right now. So there are a lot of
factors that were moving in and out of why the
Lakers maybe didn't have the great success over the last
month and a half or so and one of the
reasons why they fell out of the playoff picture in
the Western Conference and now when you look at the
Western Conference. That's why I don't think that last night
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is the monumental turnaround, because I think there's some validity
in what you're saying is they might not like Lebron.
They may not have liked them all season long. Whether
they did or didn't, the point is is they were
still a pretty good team and last night was one
of their opportunities where they were able to put everything together.
Tuesday was the outlier because there was just so much
junk going on. There was talk here who's going to
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be moved? Now that they know they don't have to,
I think they are pulled back and closer to that
team that they felt that was one of the tops
in the West. And when you look at how the
Western Conference playoffs settle out, Clippers don't seem like they're
going for it. I think now with Lebron healthy, you
think that the Lakers are gonna be able to overtake Sacramento.
Now you're what three games out of the six spot
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in the West, that's not unconceivable for the Lakers to
take over. I think what we saw last that was
the beginning of the Lakers going back to the team
that we thought that they thought they were at the
first half of the season. So then let me ask
you this, if this, if let's assume that this is
in fact the case, right that the Lakers, as you
alluded to, were very much in the hunt for a
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top four seed. Somewhere in that mix. When Lebron James
goes down, and that, by the way, if Lebron James
doesn't go down, maybe they don't make these move Maybe
they don't feel the need to make this push for
Anthony Davis, all these different variables that have since happened.
What does it say about Lebron James then and his impatience,
his unwillingness to kind of ride out a tough stretch
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because this was a team, like you said, they were
very much in the hunt for one of the better
seeds in the Western Conference. And in the last six weeks,
I guess since Ristmas Day of eighteen, we've seen Luke
wall and go to you know, a scorching hot seat.
We've seen Lebron literally try to trade everyone on this roster.
I think what this says to me is if we
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are to believe what you're saying, and I think there's
reason to believe that the Lakers plan all along was
to kind of slowly integrate these young guys with the veterans.
What does it say about Lebron that there's a couple
bad weeks and he's immediately wanting to blow everything up
and get a new cop Well that's the what that's
of the five percent that we don't know, and we
don't know about the Lakers. Sure, I think that he
probably wants Anthony Davis as teammate We talked earlier in
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the week when we were in for Jason Smith and
Mike Harmon about I'm not sure Clutch Sports and the
Lakers were on the same page because it doesn't seem
like the Lakers were necessarily prepared to make an offer
to the Pelicans, a thought out offer, because they just
ended up offering everyone and they offered five different deals,
And to me, that's not being prepared in knowing the market.
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That's just like, we gotta get a deal done because
the trade deadline comes up on February seven, which was yesterday.
What I think this does say about Lebron and what
he has done is and maybe it's about everyone else
as well. Put it aside. Put the garbage that happened
on Tuesday, and maybe Rondo is a part of it.
Chris Webber talked about it at the end of the
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broadcast last night, how they had a practice on Wednesday
and everybody kind of seemed to gel and get together
and in the workout and maybe put some of that
stuff behind him. But I think that they're professional basketball players,
and in a month from now, you're still gonna be
worried that you may not be in l A on
July one. I think like this week and everything that
went with it was the reason. But if you're still
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holding onto this on March five, on March eight, on
March eleventh, then you've got a real problem as a
basketball player. And I don't think that that that is
something that is going to happen with this Lakers team.
So we know Lebron is egotistical, we know that he
may want to push, but right now, in the situation
that they're in, Lebron is the reason why they could
be a top three seed in the Western Conference. Yeah,
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I mean, I think you could also argue he's the
reason in large part why this could completely fall apart
though too. Right. Do you really think that a Lebron
James team on I don't. Yeah, that's I don't. And
I also think there's something to be said now, And
this goes back to my point a minute ago about Lebron.
Now that the trade deadline is over, Lebron doesn't get
to play matchmaker, he doesn't get to be the GM.
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He's still gonna try to be the coach, but there's
no trades to be made at this point. Maybe there's
a I know they have one roster spot maybe there's
a free agent to sign, maybe Carmelo Anthony, but he's
stuck with the guys that he's stuck with, and obviously
these are not the guys that he wanted, and it's
very public and apparent that that is the case. But
I do wonder if they're able to move on, almost
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like an arranged marriage of you might not like me
and I might might not like you. But whether it's
the young guys playing for the next place, where Kyle
Kuzuma might be the go to guy. Maybe he increases
his trade value where he I'm not saying it's gonna happen,
but in theory, in six months, maybe he plays him
self into a position where he is as nice of
a piece on paper as Jayson Tatum, right brandon Ingram,
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whoever it is. Everyone has something to play for, and
I do wonder if this now becomes an arranged marriage
kind of deal of we're stuck together, but now we
know at least we're together. And I do think there's
something to be said about Lebron's team's usually hit their
stride this time of year, and I do wonder if
it's because he has stopped trying to move the puzzle
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pieces behind the scenes, he knows this is who he
has and he's got to just go out and play basketball. Well,
his message to the team of not going on social
media on Tuesday ring pretty hollow. On Wednesday with the
Harrison Barnes sort of conversation and and and just revealing
on that and these teammates may now know, like, Okay,
this is the guy that I gotta deal with. This
is like any any situation at work, you know. I
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look at when I moved into the college dorm for
the first time. Everybody was cool on the floor for
the first month, and then by the end of the year,
you pretty much couldn't stand everybody. Maybe a couple of people.
I think that's where the Lakers maybe are of like
finding out, Okay, this is what Lebron is all about.
This is okay, this is the real Lebron. We had
heard everything, we had seen this in that but a
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month from now, I just don't think you can hold
onto that anger if you will, I don't think you
can hold onto that that inks that you could have.
You may not like the guy, but you figure out
over the next four weeks or so away to navigate it.
Now with the Western Conference and just looking at how
it's laid out, I know they're on the outside looking
in right now, but with the Clippers moves that they made,
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I still like the Lakers over sacrament no matter how
well they're playing. I think that the Lakers have an
avenue to get into the Western Conference playoffs, and it's
actually gonna be a pretty easy path for them to
get into the postseason because this is the real Lakers
team now that we're seeing put together, with guys back
healthy and guys back playing. Yeah, I will say now
that it's all played out, I do kind of more
believe the narrative of maybe Lebron could have come back
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a little bit earlier, but I I feel like he
was trying to position himself where this trade could go down,
where maybe he wasn't in a rushback so that maybe
Luke Wallen doesn't look as good, maybe some of these
other young guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, look
at them, look at look at how much I've missed.
Well yeah, exactly, well exactly, And I don't know. I
I think it'll be fascinating. But I do think now
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that he knows that he's stuck with these guys. I
do wonder if everybody moves on and puts a mind.
I always tell everybody. If I'm out for a show
and I come back and I say, how was it,
I don't want to hear good. I want to hear man,
it was awful. You were missed, like man, that that
show stunk without you. That that's what I want to hear.
So I'm sure Doug what you know? Comes in on
Monday and says how was the show? On Friday? Ryan
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Music is gonna say it's stunk. We needed you, Doug,
because that's what Dug's gonna want to hear. John Romins
is gonna say, yeah, Doug, No, thank goodness you're back
today because those guys, that's what everybody wants to hear.
That's what Lebron wanted to hear. With the Lakers. Oh man,
we missed you. Oh thank goodness you're back. No, we
don't hate you anymore. Don't ignore Alonzo's Instagram that didn't
mean anything. He's eron Torres. I'm Dan buyer at Farmers.
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I Heart Radio app. Super Bowl fifty three to take
place on Sunday in Atlanta. Patriots getting that victory against
the Rams thirteen the three, It seems like it was
like two weeks ago now. For some reason, it just
seems like a long time ago. I don't know if
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it was because how the game played out. I don't
know if it's just because now you decompressed with the NFL,
or because the NBA had so much, so much, so
many headlines. But I mean, it seems like the game
was like two weeks ago. Yeah. I think it was
a combination of all that stuff. Specifically, there were so
many evolutions to the Anthony Davis lebron Lakers thing. It
wasn't just like we were waiting for the trade deadline.
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It was like seven things happened, which I think is
part of And it was on Tuesday that the Patriots
celebrated their Super Bowl fifty three win that they got
Sunday in Atlanta joining us. Now he's a super Bowl
champion Patriots defensive linement. Lawrence got Hey, Lawrence, congratulations, appreciate
the time, Thanks for coming on. Thanks, This is uh,
this is I know, got to be special for you,
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especially after last year and falling to the Philadelphia Eagles.
What happens when you win a super Bowl and you
realize you're a super Bowl champion? What happens to the
hours after winning a super Bowl? What do you go through?
What do you do with the family, What do you
do with the team? Take us through those couple of
hours after you ended up eating the Rams on Sunday. Well,
you don't sleep much, you know, for those two three
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days a non see session. I say that, but it's
as thrilling, you know. You get to get all the
test millions of test messages, bunch of congratulations and you
can tell a whole lot of photos of the family.
You get to take a whole lot of photos with
fans and your teammates and the ferilla behind it. Um
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is unbelievable. Like once you hit the professionals, you dream
about going to the show and winning, and I going
two years in a row and winning one of them
and having a graffiti come down from the air, had
everybody come to the field, get to touch the lamb party.
It's it's amazing feeling that you're always cherish when you're
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with your teammates, you always cherish with your family expects
to me, I got to put my daughter on the field,
me and her kids the Lombard at the same time.
That was one of those things. We've got a photo
of that. When she gets a little bit older. I'm like,
I told you you had a great childhood. There you go.
So Lawrence, I will tell you I had a great
weekend because I was the only Fox Sports radio host
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in the preseason to pick the New England Patriots to
win the Super Bowl. And the reason I did is
because I feel like there's something unbelievable that goes on
behind the scenes behind those walls in New England. You've
played for a lot of other organizations. How do you
describe to friends? Family are frankly folks like us? What
is different in New England that always allows you guys
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to get to this stage and thrive to this stage
that maybe doesn't happen other places. Non selfishness. There's no
such thing as a selfish player on this team. Um,
doesn't matter how long you've been here, doesn't matter who
you are. There's no selflessness on this team. And that's
the biggest part of it. Once you get a group
of men that go out there and play for their
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brothers next to them, great things happen. And where do
your job team? Um, if your if your job is
to stop to run, you need to stop to run,
it is to stop to pass. You need to stop
the pass. And you can trust a person that's going
out there's going to do it, Um, from a starter
to the person behind them, doesn't matter who it is.
We are built and we all trained and study need
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to be on that field to play uh top top
black football. And like you said, you saw in the
game that we have past trunk go down. It was
a big hit, but we had the next person come up,
stuff up, and we had no doubt in the mind
that that person was going to go out there and
play the best ball that he was going to play.
And he came back Trunk came back on the sideline
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himself to help out, to be that leader that he is,
would be like, this is what I'm seeing. This is
what's going on, not just sitting the locker on my
broke my forearm. Is this sitting there? Keep back out there,
helping out, trying to improve everything that he sees. And
that's the type of people we have on this team.
Is is a great individuals Now you play with him
and share the locker room with Lawrence Guy the new
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England Patriots joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the Doug Gotlip Show. He's here on tours. I'm Dad Buyer.
As much as I want to talk about the Super
Bowl win and and there'll be more about that, I'm
curious for what you were just talking about because I've
heard that one thing that separates the Patriots from maybe
other teams and other organizations is how you handle the
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beginning of the season, whether it be maybe O T
A S or training camps. Is I was told, and
I guess this is my question. Do you guys just
start with like basic fundamentals to to start out? How
is it Bill belichick regime different than the other stops
that you've had the NFL. Well, you know, once you
get here there's a new team every year, and we
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all know that there's new people, phrases coming up from
the draft, news from free as seas or or wire
pick up, so you always have to pick up with
fundamentals and and we coach, they coach, then I'm not coaching.
They're closing good fundamentals to play technique sounding you know,
that's what we got technique sound football. So you cume in.
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You have to get how we're gonna uh play the game,
how the technique gets done. Um, what are you reading
on the field down to the to the t. Then
you keep improving and improving because I of having a
good football team and never to stay saying it's always
to improve. And that's pretty much what we've built in
the Patrio way is you're going to improve once you
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get here because we want have veterans on the team
and you will have young people on the team coming in,
so you have to help everybody out. And once you
do that, the team grows and grows. And we saw
off the basis all the way up to so simple footwork,
all it to what you're reading on films to your
football accusing and continue to grow. Like you'll see the
beginning of the season might have a rough patch right there,
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but it never says that way. It's always getting better
and better and better. Case. We learn from our assaults
and we grow. We we we learn from our place
that we do good and the tanks that to do
good and grow that more too, and help everybody out
around on the team to make sure they play to
the highest ability that they could play too. Also, obviously, uh,
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we talk Patriots. You gotta talk Tom Brady. What is
it about him? Forty one years old, continues to win
at the highest level, beats all those young quarterbacks that
we hear so much about, Patrick Mahomes, etcetera. What is
it about him? And how much long do you think
you could keep this going? He said he wants to
play until forty five, and he's getting closer and closer
and doesn't seem to be dropping off very much. You know,
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times a great teammate, um, one of those teammates that
when we walk in the building in the morning, he's
going to say hello and have a conversation. I even
have a come to with everybody in the lock role
personally in the football line. So he's one of those
players that you hope that I had the privilege to
play with. Like there are all who many quarterbacks in
this league, and if he plays the forty five, I
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won't be happy, you know, play play the game until
until he wants to stop. That to his ability, but
I'm pretty sure he got to get basis on on
on how long much longer he wants to do and
how his body is showing fast right now he looks
he's looking great out there and the knowledge that he's
given our our team is amazing because the experience that
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he has throughout the year like unbelievable, uh timent wise
and until wise out there. So yeah, like I'm hoping
he won't to continue to play. You know, if he's
played until the city, that would be great. It will
be in history books. Lawrence Guy the New England Patriots
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio kind enough to
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have a few more minutes with Aaron Torres and myself,
Dan Buyer in for Doug Gottlieb. So how long did
the post Super Bowl party go into Monday morning? Uh?
I think I don't know when they stopped. That'll be es.
I left that gonna pack a bat and we had
to catch the flight. But it goes. You know, either
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you're celebrating with your family, are you selling at the
post game? But it never stopped because it's the thrill
behind it. Even when you left I left it, it's
still hard to go to see because you're still in
shocked that you want the game and you get to
take out like graffiti out of your old and stuff
like that. But the ideal of winning the game and
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getting it to celebrate that, it's phenomenal, Like you can't
like things, can't compare it to That is what you
dream about in in the companies. That is great. You
can think about the biggest the comment show you have
in your life and take that too, that actent like
hey disappointed and get you And once you get to it,
it has changed as a whole lot of stuff. But
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it makes you want to want more of it because
once you fill it once, you wanted to fill it again.
So you used to change to compete later on to
get back to that that platform to do it again.
What was last year's like after the loss, it's exciting,
excit didn't get there, but the lost hurt. You know,
it's like you lost the biggest game, because at the
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end of the day, that's still a football game. Somebody's
gonna win, something's gonna lose. And I was. I was
happy about the game due to the fact that I
got to compete in that game and it was an
excited game to play. It was just down, my down game,
and I was happy to have had the opportunity to
compete in there. And the loss didn't make you think
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in your mind like we lost, I understand. But now
it's trying to get back into the workshop. We need
I need to train more, I need to study more
to get back to the to the show and to
win it next time. And that's what you're pretty much
doing because with with a lot of people, a lot
of teams, once you get a taste of it, you
just stop and you're like, oh, well we won one.
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It's not about one and one. It's about how many
can you win and how fast can you went on
and how can you improve yourself and your teammates to
go back to that platform and to win again. And
that's what my idea was. So we lost something, man,
this stuck. I got a couple of weeks, two, three weeks,
to get over it and back in the workshop, were
getting back to training, Um increasing my football. I q
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to get back to that platform one more time to
compete again, and not that we want it might now
I need to turn some more to get back to
it also again because isn't that you got one pet
of the pie. But you know everybody wants to hope
pot so you have to go back and starting to
more pieces. And that was my last question is how
long do you take to celebrate this one before you
get focused on the next one. Me Myselivant can take
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you a week or two off. Then you just go
back at it. You know it's a short offseason due
to playing into February, so you let your body re cover.
I'm different than anybody else, So whoever your nix and
bruises are, you let your bindy recover and get right
back into it. Once you do that, you've got one.
One idea of mine is how do you get back
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and how do you wait for the next game coming up?
Because every year is a different challenge and in the
year coming back from me a whole nother Choma said
we have to go up there and uh, let me
to it. He's Lawrence Guy defensive liban for the Super
Bowl champion in New England Patriots. Was the sun up
when you got home from the party? Is the question
keeping them? Was the sun up? Was it coming up
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with you came home or came to the hotel? I
want to know. I didn't the hotel. What would have
the party? Was that? So the room doctor question? That
sounds like alright, I have a feel that the sun
It's like the Vegas treatment, you know, Vegas and New
York tream No, we can go out the thing. It
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always looks like a starting outside when you're the hotel,
look like you're standing outside. We had no idea into
you walk outside. I had no idea. I didn't walk
outside out in the building and I stayed there were
right out to the room. No. One time I woke
up the song the sun was when I had to
pack to go to the airport. I feel like that's
a Belichick thing. Tape up the windows so nobody can
see in or out anything. He's Lawrence Guy, the the
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Wigland Patriots. Laurd's congratulations, appreciate the time and enjoy your
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Farmers dot Com. One more thing on that Super Bowl party,
I didn't realize that they still had parties after losses.
Like like, I knew that they were parties scheduled, but
it wasn't until I think it was Gronk after the
Giants lost. Remember when he had his arm like in
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a cast or he was he went when he was dancing,
and it was like, oh, I guess the party still
goes on even after a loss. I don't know if
that was like a party or did he go out.
I feel like he went out. They have they have
a team party. That's what it was like. Yeah, so
each team has a party after the Super Bowl game.
Which is crazy to think that even if you lose,
you end up having a party, But yeah, that was
the case. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Doug gott Leap Show week days in noon eastern three
pm Pacific the trade that on the NBA has passed,
and one of the themes that I've heard is, wow,
oh hey, let's give a heronic applause to the Philadelphia seventies.
Six years. There is no team in the NBA that
gets more kudos for doing so little like it is,
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whether it be applauding and saying the next superstar that
Ben Simmons is, whether it be while Jimmy Butler is
taking this team to the next level. By the way,
if you haven't checked the standings here in the Sixers
are in the five spots still in the East. There's
six and a half games out. Even Indiana, who doesn't
have Victor Oladipo, they've won their last four. So the
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Sixers right now, I know it's a tight race, but
wouldn't even have home court in the first round of
the playoffs. Yet we want to say, look at what
this Sixers team is done, and then at its time
and time again we whether it's that we want to
believe in the process or trusting the process, and now
they're able to make moves to make a push in
the postseason. I understand why the name of Tobias Harris
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going from the Clippers to the Sixers is something that's appealing.
But when you look at the situation that you put
Tobias Harris in, it's nothing personal against Tobias so I
thought was the second best player in l A before
he was traded by the Clippers. I just don't see
a fit. And I think that we get so enamored
with this, the seventies Sixers and the personality of Joel
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Embiid and everything that goes with it, that we over
inflate that we want to believe so much in the
Philadelphia seventies sixers when they just aren't as good as
everybody wants them to be. Yeah, And I don't know
if it's a sports thing where we just get tired
of the same storylines and the same narratives and the
boring elements of it, like with uh, you know, the
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Celtics or teams that have been there before. I just
feel like in the NBA, more than any other sport,
we rush to anoint the next whatever it is, the
next player, the next team, the next this, the next that,
And you can go back to the playoffs last year.
This still stems from the playoffs. They have a really
good series against the heat, and oh my, the Sixers
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they might make the finals. No, they get swept by Boss.
It's it's it's not even. They played some clothe games
against Boston. It was a five game series. I think
it was, says, when do we get credit? Yeah? That
that's exactly my point. And when you look at when
you look at what the Sixers did with Tobias Harris,
one of the things that you said was the Sixers
needed three point shooting and I didn't. I said to
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Doug yesterday, it was yesterday or Wednesday when they lost
Landry Shammont, when they ended up trading him to the Clippers,
is part of the deal. I thought that Landry Shammont
was a good three point threat shot about and I
know Tobias Harris is percentagewise a better shooter. But you're
not bringing in Tobias Harris to spot up and shoot three.
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And now you've brought in a guy who was averaging
twenty points per game, who does like to have the
ball in his hands, who does like to go to
the basket. That it sounds a lot like Jimmy Butler.
And you've now also got a guy who likes the
ball in his hands. In Ben Simmons, who distributes, So
you really haven't cured any of your deficiencies of having
a lack of three point shooting. In fact, I think
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you've brought in another piece, and whether he's a good
player or not, now you've disrupted possibly what Jimmy Butler
is going to do with the Sixers. And then when
you can when you add on what Jimmy Butler and
the conflict, whether it be serious of nature or not
with with Brett Brown earlier in the year, Now, how
is Jimmy Butler gonna face in the offense when you're
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trying to fit a new guy in and Jimmy Butler
is going to free agency, there's more talk of Tobias
Harris staying with the Philadelphia soboy, Sixers, this just doesn't
seem like it's a great plan put together by Elton
Brand of the Sixers. Yet everybody wants to be like, Okay,
we're good, we're you know, everything's everything's cool here. Well,
and it's funny because you mentioned you led the show
by talking about did the Pelicans actually help the Lakers?
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Because the Lakers were about to potentially shoot themselves in
the foot and make the trade despite themselves and lose
every piece except for Lebron and what would have been
Anthony Davis. And I do wonder if some of that
has happened in Philadelphia, where part of a reason they
were so good last year was not just Ben Simmons
and Joel Embiid, but the guys that that were role players,
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sarich Um coving Ti. By the way, Shammon has been
really good for them this year. And now all of
a sudden, you got these four guys, even even if
they play well together, you need guys. I mean, the
Warriors have become more susceptible since that bench has thinned out.
Now the Warriors starting five is so good that it
doesn't matter, but you need guys like Covington, like Shammon,
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Guys like that. You brought in Bell and Eli last
year who was great and ends up going back to
San Antonio, you had er Sanieliosova, who played a role
last year that was brought in. He's no longer there.
Those were not only gaps for the Sixers to fill
for the first half of the season, but you didn't
make many of any of those moves. And then there's this.
There's two quick points. I want to make before we
get to Steve T. Sager's gonna give us an update
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of what's happening at Pebble Beach. Number one, Aaron, there
shouldn't be a question of who's the best in the
East right now. There are two teams who are battling
for the best in the East. It's Milwaukee and Toronto.
And you know what, both of those teams made moves
to improve their team. So it's out of what Look
at Philadelphia. As much as I love Houston playing better,
it's not because of all the moves Houston made. It's
because guys who are gonna be healthier. Chris Paul is back,
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Clint Capella is gonna be back. There's you know, James
Harden's James Harden. That's why I like Houston. We're just
putting the sixers because there's so much on top when
you really look at Okay, let's look at what the
Bucks have done, Let's look what the Raptors have done,
and let's look at what those teams have done at
the trade deadline. It's something that we just we want
to put the sixers in the conversation right away when
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we're discrediting what other teams have done just because we
love the surface of the process and everything with the Sixers.
And then the other quick point is we seem to
blame Marquelle Faults for not being able to shoot instead
of blaming the seventies Sixers for making an awful draft
pick and for making an awful trade that led to
their awful draft pick. Like now we say, like the
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Sixers have given up on Marquelle Faults. It's too bad.
It's his problem. That was the Sixers problem, that they
thought that it could work out in the first place.
But we don't give them enough heat, or we just
move on and say, I'll look at what the Sixers
have done. Well, I think if Mark hell Foltz hadn't
injured his shoulder, I guess is the diplomatic way to
say it. I think there might be something above his shoulders.
That's the real issue. I think he would have been
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a good piece. Now he wouldn't have been Jason Tatum
if they had kept the first pick and used used
to pick on that. Um the false thing, I'll say this,
I'm with you, Dan, but I think the false thing
is one I don't agree with. But I do agree
with the general concept. Do you agree that they don't
get flack for taking him or do you think that
you do get flack for take I think they get
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flack for taking him. I don't know how responsible they
are that he can't shoot, though. I mean, he was
a good shooter at Washington. He just lost the ability
to shoot. I just don't like the two years in
a row taking a guy number one and trying to
make him a point guard. But yeah, I I well,
I mean, if I don't think that's even like brought
up like okay, Ben Simmons is gonna be our point
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out of the future. So let's then draft Marquelle Folts
and make him or like what I think they could
have played him off the ball. I think the thought
was they're shooting their spacing. He could take guys off
the dribble, but then he lost the ability to do
all of that in like a week. I just don't
think they get enough heat. Well, I I think it's
what I said in the NBA. We're in such a
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rush to crown the next guy six months ago, Jason Tatum,
we should just build him a statue outside of the
Boston whatever they call TD Bank Garden Center. Oh, just
he dunked on Lebron. Remember when he dunked on Lebron
that one time. Yeah, he's nineteen years old. It's gonna
take time. Donovan Mitchell, Oh, he just stepped in for
Gordon Hayward. Stocked in him alone. Forget about them. We
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got Donovan Mitchell. Now. Well, I'm just saying I feel
like we do this in the NBA more than any
other supporters. We just build these guys up, and then
we just forget about him and move on to the
next guy.
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It is a Friday. We're glad to have you with
us here on Fox Sports Radio. And which one is it?
Are the Lakers really bad or the Lakers really good
at something? We're gonna try to figure out over the
next three hours or so, because this week it has
been something else involving those Los Angeles Lakers. Aaron I
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will say this, they are very much in the news.
And I am so grateful for Anthony Davis, Lebron James
and Rich Paul because, as I told you the other night, Dan,
if they weren't in our lives right now, we would
be spending three hours talking Nick Foles free agency. He's
gonna go to Jack's? Is he gonna go to the Dolphins?
Where is Nick Foles. Oh no, we don't have to talk.
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I will say this as well. While the NBA trade
deadline didn't give us the big name moved maybe outside
of Marcusol and Marquelle Folts, the fact that Anthony Davis
wasn't moved continues the possibility of even more stories. And
it's a really good possibility. Otherwise, if Anthony Davis was dealt,
I think we would have felt it was a foregone
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conclusion that he would likely then re up with the
Lakers when he could, and that would be the end
of the Anthony Davis saga. Now, while it may be
on hiatus for the next four or five months until
July one comes around, until that point, we're gonna be
talking about the playoffs. We're gonna be talking about the
NBA Finals. And then when the NBA Finals is done,
the storyline pops up again with so many other storylines
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in the NBA. So it's almost the gift that keeps
on giving. Even though the Pelicans and Lakers couldn't get
a deal done at the trade deadline. Yeah, I don't
even know how much hiatus it's on because of the
fact that, let's never forget one, the Pelicans have now
decided to replay him. But I feel like this is
going to be a situation every night. Is he playing?
Is he not? If he's out, what does it mean
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Is he really hurt? Are they holding him out? But
then also with what happened with the Lakers last night,
it just becomes an ever evolving new chapter to soap opera.
Lakers beat the Celtics on a buzzer beater by Rajen
Rondo in a game that went back and forth in
the final minutes with Lebron hitting a three and then
the Celtics able to score. Then Calcusma comes through, Kyrie
(02:30):
Irving hits a big bucket and then with no time outs,
chaos ensued and Rondo hits the buzzer beater on a
loose ball. Lakers end up winning. And that's where we
are right now with the Lakers and who they are
as a basketball team, because there were two completely different
basketball teams wearing Laker uniforms over the past seventy two hours.
There was the team in Indianapolis that lost to the
(02:51):
Pacers by forty two points, and then there was a
team in Boston last night that ended up winning by
one against the team that was one of the hotter
teams in the NBA, who won five in a row,
who had won nine of their last ten, who are
moving up in the Eastern Conference standings. So that now
begs the question, with all of this a d junk
in the rear view mirror, what is the real Lakers
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team that we've got? And as as I posed this question,
and I posed this scenario erin, I'm just gonna answer it.
The outlier to me is the forty two point effort
on Tuesday, with all of the garbage and the trade
talks and the rumors swirling. That's the outlier to me.
The outlier wasn't last night's game against the Boston Celtics.
The outlier was what happened on Tuesday. When you lose
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in Lebron's first loss by forty points or more, they
lose by forty two, that doesn't always happen. When you
take a step back and look what the Lakers are
and now what the Lakers have ahead of them, I
think the future is very bright. I don't know if
last night. I don't think last night is that monumental
turnaround where we're gonna see them take off. I think
it's everything involved that is going to allow the Lakers
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to turn around at the New Orleans Pelicans by not
taking the Lakers deal, in a way save the Lakers
from themselves. And that's what I think we've got with
the Lakers now moving forward, is we get a real
sense of who the Lakers are because they weren't that
team Tuesday night in Indianapolis. I think, certainly, I think
Tuesday was an aberration. Whenever Lebron James suffers the worst
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loss of his entire career, you're gonna sit back and say, yeah,
that's probably not gonna happen again. But I actually disagree
with you on this. I think, look, it's it's great
that they got the win. It's great that they're jumping
around and and it's like high school, you beat, you
beat the buzzer, and everyone's best friends. But I still
think when those guys go back in that locker room,
it is a locker room divided. It is guys in
their own factions, in their own camps. I still think
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a Lonzo Balls instagram, we ain't going nowhere like, I
think that is more reflective of the guys that are
in the locker room. And to me, this just goes
back to what we hear athletes say in every sport
whenever there's some kind of in house drama. We have
a job to do. We're focused on the task at hand.
And I think the Lakers can separate the fact that
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they have to perform when they step on the court
from the fact that I think a lot of them
just don't like Number twenty three right now, once they
step off the court, they may not like him because
they were the ones involved. And I'm not sure on
how much of the blame is is if it's a
on Lebron, if it's if it's it could be five percent.
We we don't know right now. We have our own theories,
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but I will say this, I don't think last night
was the turning point. What I think last night was
this was the Laker team that the Lakers felt that
they were all season long before Lebron got hurt. And
that's why what I think is the most important thing
about this Dougas said on this show that the Lakers
feel they're one of the top teams in the West,
like they feel as a team that they are one
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of the best teams in the Western Conference. Maybe just
shy of the Golden State Warriors. Your opinion may be different.
My opinion may be different, but that's how the Lakers
felt as a team, that they were that close to
being a top seed in the Western Conference. Right now
as you look at the standings, they're on the outside
looking in. But remember, you did have Lebron for a month.
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Ye had Kyle Kuzma out yet Rajon Rondo missing time,
who it's the game winner last night? Lonzo Ball is
still out right now. So there are a lot of
factors that were moving in and out of why the
Lakers maybe didn't have the great success over the last
month and a half or so and one of the
reasons why they fell out of the playoff picture in
the Western Conference and now when you look at the
Western Conference. That's why I don't think that last night
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is the monumental turnaround, because I think there's some validity
in what you're saying is they might not like Lebron.
They may not have liked them all season long. Whether
they did or didn't, the point is is they were
still a pretty good team and last night was one
of their opportunities where they were able to put everything together.
Tuesday was the outlier because there was just so much
junk going on. There was talk here who's going to
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be moved? Now that they know they don't have to,
I think they are pulled back and closer to that
team that they felt that was one of the tops
in the West. And when you look at how the
Western Conference playoffs settle out, Clippers don't seem like they're
going for it. I think now with Lebron healthy, you
think that the Lakers are gonna be able to overtake Sacramento.
Now you're what three games out of the six spot
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in the West, that's not unconceivable for the Lakers to
take over. I think what we saw last that was
the beginning of the Lakers going back to the team
that we thought that they thought they were at the
first half of the season. So then let me ask
you this, if this, if let's assume that this is
in fact the case, right that the Lakers, as you
alluded to, were very much in the hunt for a
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top four seed. Somewhere in that mix. When Lebron James
goes down, and that, by the way, if Lebron James
doesn't go down, maybe they don't make these move Maybe
they don't feel the need to make this push for
Anthony Davis, all these different variables that have since happened.
What does it say about Lebron James then and his impatience,
his unwillingness to kind of ride out a tough stretch
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because this was a team, like you said, they were
very much in the hunt for one of the better
seeds in the Western Conference. And in the last six weeks,
I guess since Ristmas Day of eighteen, we've seen Luke
wall and go to you know, a scorching hot seat.
We've seen Lebron literally try to trade everyone on this roster.
I think what this says to me is if we
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are to believe what you're saying, and I think there's
reason to believe that the Lakers plan all along was
to kind of slowly integrate these young guys with the veterans.
What does it say about Lebron that there's a couple
bad weeks and he's immediately wanting to blow everything up
and get a new cop Well that's the what that's
of the five percent that we don't know, and we
don't know about the Lakers. Sure, I think that he
probably wants Anthony Davis as teammate We talked earlier in
(08:36):
the week when we were in for Jason Smith and
Mike Harmon about I'm not sure Clutch Sports and the
Lakers were on the same page because it doesn't seem
like the Lakers were necessarily prepared to make an offer
to the Pelicans, a thought out offer, because they just
ended up offering everyone and they offered five different deals,
And to me, that's not being prepared in knowing the market.
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That's just like, we gotta get a deal done because
the trade deadline comes up on February seven, which was yesterday.
What I think this does say about Lebron and what
he has done is and maybe it's about everyone else
as well. Put it aside. Put the garbage that happened
on Tuesday, and maybe Rondo is a part of it.
Chris Webber talked about it at the end of the
(09:18):
broadcast last night, how they had a practice on Wednesday
and everybody kind of seemed to gel and get together
and in the workout and maybe put some of that
stuff behind him. But I think that they're professional basketball players,
and in a month from now, you're still gonna be
worried that you may not be in l A on
July one. I think like this week and everything that
went with it was the reason. But if you're still
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holding onto this on March five, on March eight, on
March eleventh, then you've got a real problem as a
basketball player. And I don't think that that that is
something that is going to happen with this Lakers team.
So we know Lebron is egotistical, we know that he
may want to push, but right now, in the situation
that they're in, Lebron is the reason why they could
be a top three seed in the Western Conference. Yeah,
(10:00):
I mean, I think you could also argue he's the
reason in large part why this could completely fall apart
though too. Right. Do you really think that a Lebron
James team on I don't. Yeah, that's I don't. And
I also think there's something to be said now, And
this goes back to my point a minute ago about Lebron.
Now that the trade deadline is over, Lebron doesn't get
to play matchmaker, he doesn't get to be the GM.
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He's still gonna try to be the coach, but there's
no trades to be made at this point. Maybe there's
a I know they have one roster spot maybe there's
a free agent to sign, maybe Carmelo Anthony, but he's
stuck with the guys that he's stuck with, and obviously
these are not the guys that he wanted, and it's
very public and apparent that that is the case. But
I do wonder if they're able to move on, almost
(10:42):
like an arranged marriage of you might not like me
and I might might not like you. But whether it's
the young guys playing for the next place, where Kyle
Kuzuma might be the go to guy. Maybe he increases
his trade value where he I'm not saying it's gonna happen,
but in theory, in six months, maybe he plays him
self into a position where he is as nice of
a piece on paper as Jayson Tatum, right brandon Ingram,
(11:05):
whoever it is. Everyone has something to play for, and
I do wonder if this now becomes an arranged marriage
kind of deal of we're stuck together, but now we
know at least we're together. And I do think there's
something to be said about Lebron's team's usually hit their
stride this time of year, and I do wonder if
it's because he has stopped trying to move the puzzle
(11:25):
pieces behind the scenes, he knows this is who he
has and he's got to just go out and play basketball. Well,
his message to the team of not going on social
media on Tuesday ring pretty hollow. On Wednesday with the
Harrison Barnes sort of conversation and and and just revealing
on that and these teammates may now know, like, Okay,
this is the guy that I gotta deal with. This
is like any any situation at work, you know. I
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look at when I moved into the college dorm for
the first time. Everybody was cool on the floor for
the first month, and then by the end of the year,
you pretty much couldn't stand everybody. Maybe a couple of people.
I think that's where the Lakers maybe are of like
finding out, Okay, this is what Lebron is all about.
This is okay, this is the real Lebron. We had
heard everything, we had seen this in that but a
(12:08):
month from now, I just don't think you can hold
onto that anger if you will, I don't think you
can hold onto that that inks that you could have.
You may not like the guy, but you figure out
over the next four weeks or so away to navigate it.
Now with the Western Conference and just looking at how
it's laid out, I know they're on the outside looking
in right now, but with the Clippers moves that they made,
(12:29):
I still like the Lakers over sacrament no matter how
well they're playing. I think that the Lakers have an
avenue to get into the Western Conference playoffs, and it's
actually gonna be a pretty easy path for them to
get into the postseason because this is the real Lakers
team now that we're seeing put together, with guys back
healthy and guys back playing. Yeah, I will say now
that it's all played out, I do kind of more
believe the narrative of maybe Lebron could have come back
(12:52):
a little bit earlier, but I I feel like he
was trying to position himself where this trade could go down,
where maybe he wasn't in a rushback so that maybe
Luke Wallen doesn't look as good, maybe some of these
other young guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, look
at them, look at look at how much I've missed.
Well yeah, exactly, well exactly, And I don't know. I
I think it'll be fascinating. But I do think now
(13:13):
that he knows that he's stuck with these guys. I
do wonder if everybody moves on and puts a mind.
I always tell everybody. If I'm out for a show
and I come back and I say, how was it,
I don't want to hear good. I want to hear man,
it was awful. You were missed, like man, that that
show stunk without you. That that's what I want to hear.
So I'm sure Doug what you know? Comes in on
Monday and says how was the show? On Friday? Ryan
(13:34):
Music is gonna say it's stunk. We needed you, Doug,
because that's what Dug's gonna want to hear. John Romins
is gonna say, yeah, Doug, No, thank goodness you're back
today because those guys, that's what everybody wants to hear.
That's what Lebron wanted to hear. With the Lakers. Oh man,
we missed you. Oh thank goodness you're back. No, we
don't hate you anymore. Don't ignore Alonzo's Instagram that didn't
mean anything. He's eron Torres. I'm Dan buyer at Farmers.
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We've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover
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Lakers the real deal? We'll ask an NBA insider next here.
He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug got
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I Heart Radio app. Super Bowl fifty three to take
place on Sunday in Atlanta. Patriots getting that victory against
the Rams thirteen the three, It seems like it was
like two weeks ago now. For some reason, it just
seems like a long time ago. I don't know if
(14:39):
it was because how the game played out. I don't
know if it's just because now you decompressed with the NFL,
or because the NBA had so much, so much, so
many headlines. But I mean, it seems like the game
was like two weeks ago. Yeah. I think it was
a combination of all that stuff. Specifically, there were so
many evolutions to the Anthony Davis lebron Lakers thing. It
wasn't just like we were waiting for the trade deadline.
(15:00):
It was like seven things happened, which I think is
part of And it was on Tuesday that the Patriots
celebrated their Super Bowl fifty three win that they got
Sunday in Atlanta joining us. Now he's a super Bowl
champion Patriots defensive linement. Lawrence got Hey, Lawrence, congratulations, appreciate
the time, Thanks for coming on. Thanks, This is uh,
this is I know, got to be special for you,
(15:22):
especially after last year and falling to the Philadelphia Eagles.
What happens when you win a super Bowl and you
realize you're a super Bowl champion? What happens to the
hours after winning a super Bowl? What do you go through?
What do you do with the family, What do you
do with the team? Take us through those couple of
hours after you ended up eating the Rams on Sunday. Well,
you don't sleep much, you know, for those two three
(15:45):
days a non see session. I say that, but it's
as thrilling, you know. You get to get all the
test millions of test messages, bunch of congratulations and you
can tell a whole lot of photos of the family.
You get to take a whole lot of photos with
fans and your teammates and the ferilla behind it. Um
(16:09):
is unbelievable. Like once you hit the professionals, you dream
about going to the show and winning, and I going
two years in a row and winning one of them
and having a graffiti come down from the air, had
everybody come to the field, get to touch the lamb party.
It's it's amazing feeling that you're always cherish when you're
(16:33):
with your teammates, you always cherish with your family expects
to me, I got to put my daughter on the field,
me and her kids the Lombard at the same time.
That was one of those things. We've got a photo
of that. When she gets a little bit older. I'm like,
I told you you had a great childhood. There you go.
So Lawrence, I will tell you I had a great
weekend because I was the only Fox Sports radio host
(16:53):
in the preseason to pick the New England Patriots to
win the Super Bowl. And the reason I did is
because I feel like there's something unbelievable that goes on
behind the scenes behind those walls in New England. You've
played for a lot of other organizations. How do you
describe to friends? Family are frankly folks like us? What
is different in New England that always allows you guys
(17:15):
to get to this stage and thrive to this stage
that maybe doesn't happen other places. Non selfishness. There's no
such thing as a selfish player on this team. Um,
doesn't matter how long you've been here, doesn't matter who
you are. There's no selflessness on this team. And that's
the biggest part of it. Once you get a group
of men that go out there and play for their
(17:38):
brothers next to them, great things happen. And where do
your job team? Um, if your if your job is
to stop to run, you need to stop to run,
it is to stop to pass. You need to stop
the pass. And you can trust a person that's going
out there's going to do it, Um, from a starter
to the person behind them, doesn't matter who it is.
We are built and we all trained and study need
(18:00):
to be on that field to play uh top top
black football. And like you said, you saw in the
game that we have past trunk go down. It was
a big hit, but we had the next person come up,
stuff up, and we had no doubt in the mind
that that person was going to go out there and
play the best ball that he was going to play.
And he came back Trunk came back on the sideline
(18:22):
himself to help out, to be that leader that he is,
would be like, this is what I'm seeing. This is
what's going on, not just sitting the locker on my
broke my forearm. Is this sitting there? Keep back out there,
helping out, trying to improve everything that he sees. And
that's the type of people we have on this team.
Is is a great individuals Now you play with him
and share the locker room with Lawrence Guy the new
(18:42):
England Patriots joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the Doug Gotlip Show. He's here on tours. I'm Dad Buyer.
As much as I want to talk about the Super
Bowl win and and there'll be more about that, I'm
curious for what you were just talking about because I've
heard that one thing that separates the Patriots from maybe
other teams and other organizations is how you handle the
(19:02):
beginning of the season, whether it be maybe O T
A S or training camps. Is I was told, and
I guess this is my question. Do you guys just
start with like basic fundamentals to to start out? How
is it Bill belichick regime different than the other stops
that you've had the NFL. Well, you know, once you
get here there's a new team every year, and we
(19:26):
all know that there's new people, phrases coming up from
the draft, news from free as seas or or wire
pick up, so you always have to pick up with
fundamentals and and we coach, they coach, then I'm not coaching.
They're closing good fundamentals to play technique sounding you know,
that's what we got technique sound football. So you cume in.
(19:47):
You have to get how we're gonna uh play the game,
how the technique gets done. Um, what are you reading
on the field down to the to the t. Then
you keep improving and improving because I of having a
good football team and never to stay saying it's always
to improve. And that's pretty much what we've built in
the Patrio way is you're going to improve once you
(20:09):
get here because we want have veterans on the team
and you will have young people on the team coming in,
so you have to help everybody out. And once you
do that, the team grows and grows. And we saw
off the basis all the way up to so simple footwork,
all it to what you're reading on films to your
football accusing and continue to grow. Like you'll see the
beginning of the season might have a rough patch right there,
(20:33):
but it never says that way. It's always getting better
and better and better. Case. We learn from our assaults
and we grow. We we we learn from our place
that we do good and the tanks that to do
good and grow that more too, and help everybody out
around on the team to make sure they play to
the highest ability that they could play too. Also, obviously, uh,
(20:55):
we talk Patriots. You gotta talk Tom Brady. What is
it about him? Forty one years old, continues to win
at the highest level, beats all those young quarterbacks that
we hear so much about, Patrick Mahomes, etcetera. What is
it about him? And how much long do you think
you could keep this going? He said he wants to
play until forty five, and he's getting closer and closer
and doesn't seem to be dropping off very much. You know,
(21:16):
times a great teammate, um, one of those teammates that
when we walk in the building in the morning, he's
going to say hello and have a conversation. I even
have a come to with everybody in the lock role
personally in the football line. So he's one of those
players that you hope that I had the privilege to
play with. Like there are all who many quarterbacks in
this league, and if he plays the forty five, I
(21:39):
won't be happy, you know, play play the game until
until he wants to stop. That to his ability, but
I'm pretty sure he got to get basis on on
on how long much longer he wants to do and
how his body is showing fast right now he looks
he's looking great out there and the knowledge that he's
given our our team is amazing because the experience that
(22:01):
he has throughout the year like unbelievable, uh timent wise
and until wise out there. So yeah, like I'm hoping
he won't to continue to play. You know, if he's
played until the city, that would be great. It will
be in history books. Lawrence Guy the New England Patriots
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio kind enough to
(22:23):
have a few more minutes with Aaron Torres and myself,
Dan Buyer in for Doug Gottlieb. So how long did
the post Super Bowl party go into Monday morning? Uh?
I think I don't know when they stopped. That'll be es.
I left that gonna pack a bat and we had
to catch the flight. But it goes. You know, either
(22:45):
you're celebrating with your family, are you selling at the
post game? But it never stopped because it's the thrill
behind it. Even when you left I left it, it's
still hard to go to see because you're still in
shocked that you want the game and you get to
take out like graffiti out of your old and stuff
like that. But the ideal of winning the game and
(23:05):
getting it to celebrate that, it's phenomenal, Like you can't
like things, can't compare it to That is what you
dream about in in the companies. That is great. You
can think about the biggest the comment show you have
in your life and take that too, that actent like
hey disappointed and get you And once you get to it,
it has changed as a whole lot of stuff. But
(23:25):
it makes you want to want more of it because
once you fill it once, you wanted to fill it again.
So you used to change to compete later on to
get back to that that platform to do it again.
What was last year's like after the loss, it's exciting,
excit didn't get there, but the lost hurt. You know,
it's like you lost the biggest game, because at the
(23:46):
end of the day, that's still a football game. Somebody's
gonna win, something's gonna lose. And I was. I was
happy about the game due to the fact that I
got to compete in that game and it was an
excited game to play. It was just down, my down game,
and I was happy to have had the opportunity to
compete in there. And the loss didn't make you think
(24:06):
in your mind like we lost, I understand. But now
it's trying to get back into the workshop. We need
I need to train more, I need to study more
to get back to the to the show and to
win it next time. And that's what you're pretty much
doing because with with a lot of people, a lot
of teams, once you get a taste of it, you
just stop and you're like, oh, well we won one.
(24:27):
It's not about one and one. It's about how many
can you win and how fast can you went on
and how can you improve yourself and your teammates to
go back to that platform and to win again. And
that's what my idea was. So we lost something, man,
this stuck. I got a couple of weeks, two, three weeks,
to get over it and back in the workshop, were
getting back to training, Um increasing my football. I q
(24:48):
to get back to that platform one more time to
compete again, and not that we want it might now
I need to turn some more to get back to
it also again because isn't that you got one pet
of the pie. But you know everybody wants to hope
pot so you have to go back and starting to
more pieces. And that was my last question is how
long do you take to celebrate this one before you
get focused on the next one. Me Myselivant can take
(25:13):
you a week or two off. Then you just go
back at it. You know it's a short offseason due
to playing into February, so you let your body re cover.
I'm different than anybody else, So whoever your nix and
bruises are, you let your bindy recover and get right
back into it. Once you do that, you've got one.
One idea of mine is how do you get back
(25:36):
and how do you wait for the next game coming up?
Because every year is a different challenge and in the
year coming back from me a whole nother Choma said
we have to go up there and uh, let me
to it. He's Lawrence Guy defensive liban for the Super
Bowl champion in New England Patriots. Was the sun up
when you got home from the party? Is the question
keeping them? Was the sun up? Was it coming up
(25:59):
with you came home or came to the hotel? I
want to know. I didn't the hotel. What would have
the party? Was that? So the room doctor question? That
sounds like alright, I have a feel that the sun
It's like the Vegas treatment, you know, Vegas and New
York tream No, we can go out the thing. It
(26:19):
always looks like a starting outside when you're the hotel,
look like you're standing outside. We had no idea into
you walk outside. I had no idea. I didn't walk
outside out in the building and I stayed there were
right out to the room. No. One time I woke
up the song the sun was when I had to
pack to go to the airport. I feel like that's
a Belichick thing. Tape up the windows so nobody can
see in or out anything. He's Lawrence Guy, the the
(26:42):
Wigland Patriots. Laurd's congratulations, appreciate the time and enjoy your
short offseason, but congrats on the super Bowl title. Thank
you for having me on the show how to apply
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Farmers dot Com. One more thing on that Super Bowl party,
I didn't realize that they still had parties after losses.
Like like, I knew that they were parties scheduled, but
it wasn't until I think it was Gronk after the
Giants lost. Remember when he had his arm like in
(27:23):
a cast or he was he went when he was dancing,
and it was like, oh, I guess the party still
goes on even after a loss. I don't know if
that was like a party or did he go out.
I feel like he went out. They have they have
a team party. That's what it was like. Yeah, so
each team has a party after the Super Bowl game.
Which is crazy to think that even if you lose,
you end up having a party, But yeah, that was
the case. Be sure to catch live editions of The
(27:45):
Doug gott Leap Show week days in noon eastern three
pm Pacific the trade that on the NBA has passed,
and one of the themes that I've heard is, wow,
oh hey, let's give a heronic applause to the Philadelphia seventies.
Six years. There is no team in the NBA that
gets more kudos for doing so little like it is,
(28:06):
whether it be applauding and saying the next superstar that
Ben Simmons is, whether it be while Jimmy Butler is
taking this team to the next level. By the way,
if you haven't checked the standings here in the Sixers
are in the five spots still in the East. There's
six and a half games out. Even Indiana, who doesn't
have Victor Oladipo, they've won their last four. So the
(28:27):
Sixers right now, I know it's a tight race, but
wouldn't even have home court in the first round of
the playoffs. Yet we want to say, look at what
this Sixers team is done, and then at its time
and time again we whether it's that we want to
believe in the process or trusting the process, and now
they're able to make moves to make a push in
the postseason. I understand why the name of Tobias Harris
(28:51):
going from the Clippers to the Sixers is something that's appealing.
But when you look at the situation that you put
Tobias Harris in, it's nothing personal against Tobias so I
thought was the second best player in l A before
he was traded by the Clippers. I just don't see
a fit. And I think that we get so enamored
with this, the seventies Sixers and the personality of Joel
(29:12):
Embiid and everything that goes with it, that we over
inflate that we want to believe so much in the
Philadelphia seventies sixers when they just aren't as good as
everybody wants them to be. Yeah, And I don't know
if it's a sports thing where we just get tired
of the same storylines and the same narratives and the
boring elements of it, like with uh, you know, the
(29:32):
Celtics or teams that have been there before. I just
feel like in the NBA, more than any other sport,
we rush to anoint the next whatever it is, the
next player, the next team, the next this, the next that,
And you can go back to the playoffs last year.
This still stems from the playoffs. They have a really
good series against the heat, and oh my, the Sixers
(29:54):
they might make the finals. No, they get swept by Boss.
It's it's it's not even. They played some clothe games
against Boston. It was a five game series. I think
it was, says, when do we get credit? Yeah? That
that's exactly my point. And when you look at when
you look at what the Sixers did with Tobias Harris,
one of the things that you said was the Sixers
needed three point shooting and I didn't. I said to
(30:16):
Doug yesterday, it was yesterday or Wednesday when they lost
Landry Shammont, when they ended up trading him to the Clippers,
is part of the deal. I thought that Landry Shammont
was a good three point threat shot about and I
know Tobias Harris is percentagewise a better shooter. But you're
not bringing in Tobias Harris to spot up and shoot three.
(30:39):
And now you've brought in a guy who was averaging
twenty points per game, who does like to have the
ball in his hands, who does like to go to
the basket. That it sounds a lot like Jimmy Butler.
And you've now also got a guy who likes the
ball in his hands. In Ben Simmons, who distributes, So
you really haven't cured any of your deficiencies of having
a lack of three point shooting. In fact, I think
(31:01):
you've brought in another piece, and whether he's a good
player or not, now you've disrupted possibly what Jimmy Butler
is going to do with the Sixers. And then when
you can when you add on what Jimmy Butler and
the conflict, whether it be serious of nature or not
with with Brett Brown earlier in the year, Now, how
is Jimmy Butler gonna face in the offense when you're
(31:22):
trying to fit a new guy in and Jimmy Butler
is going to free agency, there's more talk of Tobias
Harris staying with the Philadelphia soboy, Sixers, this just doesn't
seem like it's a great plan put together by Elton
Brand of the Sixers. Yet everybody wants to be like, Okay,
we're good, we're you know, everything's everything's cool here. Well,
and it's funny because you mentioned you led the show
by talking about did the Pelicans actually help the Lakers?
(31:45):
Because the Lakers were about to potentially shoot themselves in
the foot and make the trade despite themselves and lose
every piece except for Lebron and what would have been
Anthony Davis. And I do wonder if some of that
has happened in Philadelphia, where part of a reason they
were so good last year was not just Ben Simmons
and Joel Embiid, but the guys that that were role players,
(32:05):
sarich Um coving Ti. By the way, Shammon has been
really good for them this year. And now all of
a sudden, you got these four guys, even even if
they play well together, you need guys. I mean, the
Warriors have become more susceptible since that bench has thinned out.
Now the Warriors starting five is so good that it
doesn't matter, but you need guys like Covington, like Shammon,
(32:26):
Guys like that. You brought in Bell and Eli last
year who was great and ends up going back to
San Antonio, you had er Sanieliosova, who played a role
last year that was brought in. He's no longer there.
Those were not only gaps for the Sixers to fill
for the first half of the season, but you didn't
make many of any of those moves. And then there's this.
There's two quick points. I want to make before we
get to Steve T. Sager's gonna give us an update
(32:47):
of what's happening at Pebble Beach. Number one, Aaron, there
shouldn't be a question of who's the best in the
East right now. There are two teams who are battling
for the best in the East. It's Milwaukee and Toronto.
And you know what, both of those teams made moves
to improve their team. So it's out of what Look
at Philadelphia. As much as I love Houston playing better,
it's not because of all the moves Houston made. It's
because guys who are gonna be healthier. Chris Paul is back,
(33:09):
Clint Capella is gonna be back. There's you know, James
Harden's James Harden. That's why I like Houston. We're just
putting the sixers because there's so much on top when
you really look at Okay, let's look at what the
Bucks have done, Let's look what the Raptors have done,
and let's look at what those teams have done at
the trade deadline. It's something that we just we want
to put the sixers in the conversation right away when
(33:30):
we're discrediting what other teams have done just because we
love the surface of the process and everything with the Sixers.
And then the other quick point is we seem to
blame Marquelle Faults for not being able to shoot instead
of blaming the seventies Sixers for making an awful draft
pick and for making an awful trade that led to
their awful draft pick. Like now we say, like the
(33:51):
Sixers have given up on Marquelle Faults. It's too bad.
It's his problem. That was the Sixers problem, that they
thought that it could work out in the first place.
But we don't give them enough heat, or we just
move on and say, I'll look at what the Sixers
have done. Well, I think if Mark hell Foltz hadn't
injured his shoulder, I guess is the diplomatic way to
say it. I think there might be something above his shoulders.
That's the real issue. I think he would have been
(34:12):
a good piece. Now he wouldn't have been Jason Tatum
if they had kept the first pick and used used
to pick on that. Um the false thing, I'll say this,
I'm with you, Dan, but I think the false thing
is one I don't agree with. But I do agree
with the general concept. Do you agree that they don't
get flack for taking him or do you think that
you do get flack for take I think they get
(34:32):
flack for taking him. I don't know how responsible they
are that he can't shoot, though. I mean, he was
a good shooter at Washington. He just lost the ability
to shoot. I just don't like the two years in
a row taking a guy number one and trying to
make him a point guard. But yeah, I I well,
I mean, if I don't think that's even like brought
up like okay, Ben Simmons is gonna be our point
(34:54):
out of the future. So let's then draft Marquelle Folts
and make him or like what I think they could
have played him off the ball. I think the thought
was they're shooting their spacing. He could take guys off
the dribble, but then he lost the ability to do
all of that in like a week. I just don't
think they get enough heat. Well, I I think it's
what I said in the NBA. We're in such a
(35:14):
rush to crown the next guy six months ago, Jason Tatum,
we should just build him a statue outside of the
Boston whatever they call TD Bank Garden Center. Oh, just
he dunked on Lebron. Remember when he dunked on Lebron
that one time. Yeah, he's nineteen years old. It's gonna
take time. Donovan Mitchell, Oh, he just stepped in for
Gordon Hayward. Stocked in him alone. Forget about them. We
(35:37):
got Donovan Mitchell. Now. Well, I'm just saying I feel
like we do this in the NBA more than any
other supporters. We just build these guys up, and then
we just forget about him and move on to the
next guy.
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