Kyler Murray commits to the NFL, and Kareem Hunt signs with the Browns

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to reach this point and I think and I think
we're beginning to reach the point of reasonable punishment foresaid

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crime right like. One of the great things about um
about the laws of our government is there's no double jeopardy,
no double jeopardy, the idea of note you can't be
tried twice for the same crime. And it's gonna be
interesting to see what happens with the news of the day.

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That's the Kareem Hunt, who, of course, was exiled from
the league, and rightfully so after some video emerged of
him a couple of years ago laying his hands on
a woman. It wasn't good. And today he signs with
the Cleveland Browns. Now the stats are. As a rookie,
he led the league in rushing with seven yards. The

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stats are this past year eleven games. In eleven games
in his production had slipped because they become more of
a throwing team. But he also had seven touchdown receptions,
and he had he'd run for seven touchdowns as well.
He'd run for eight twenty four yards, so he's well
on his way to over a thousand yards and two

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consecutive seasons. Is he a superstar? No? But is he
a really really good player? The answer is yes. And
part of why he got another opportunity was because John Dorsey,
the gentle manager of the Cleveland Browns, was in that
front office with the Kansas City Chiefs when they drafted
Kareem Hunt, going back to uh spring of two thousand seventeen,

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that was that was before he was he was relieved
of his duties. What's fascinating about this, though, is going
to be the vitriol that he rightfully receives from many
the public. First, you're gonna hear Will Coo and Kaepernick.
That doesn't really matter, right, We're comparing Kareem Hunt, whose

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issue we know or issues we know, as opposed to
Colin Kaepernick, who we we can't even begin to dig
into understanding whether or not he wants to play football
or not. Right Like, if Colin Kaepernick really want to
play football, wouldn't be playing in the the the American
Football Alliance, wouldn't he The other thing you're gonna hear
is NFL doesn't care about women. Look, I care about women.

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I I'm married to one for eighteen years, eighteen and
a half years. I've I've procreated with that same one
to have two daughters of my own. I have a mom,
I have a mother in law. Like, I'm not in
any way anti woman, but I also know that while
the sentence should be severe, it is not, nor should

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it be a death sentence to one's career, it shouldn't so.
I look, I'm not sitting here telling you that I'm
doing back clips. I don't care that Kareem Hunt is
in the NFL not in the NFL. I just understand
the reasonable nature to it. And I don't know if
we as Like I was sitting there talking to my
wife last night and I said, Man, we're in such

(04:17):
a weird place. We're in such she she's become an
avid follower of politics and um. When you have somebody
on on any of these political shows to support one
side or the other, and that's the only guests that
will appear there, there's no reasonable nature in how they

(04:38):
answer questions. They will only answer questions from their side's perspective,
right from their side's perspective. If you're pro Trump, then
any anybody else who's out there. When you're asked a
question about the like a reasonable question that would say

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that the president who you support has done something wrong,
you you instead of even answering the question, you simply
attack the other side. And the same is true for
the Antitrump people. There is no reasonable gray area where
the rest of the world actually seems to or used
to live right, that's the truth to it. The world

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is gray, and political news tries to make it out
to being black and white. And what's happened with sports
is it's become a lot like political news, where it's
you're in the league until you're out of the league,
and once you're out of the league, you're out. And
that's that. There's like there's a gray area there, and
the gray area is with Kareem Hunt, it's like a look,

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he was humiliated, he lost his job, he lost a
chance to go to the Super Bowl, all of this rightfully.
So that is that is punishment. He lost a lot
of money, he lost credibility and credibility as well, and
so he'll wear the scarlet letter of being an abuser
of women for the rest of the foreseeable future. But

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but just like Tyreek Hill who lost his scholarship to
Oklahoma State and fell in the draft in spite of
the fact that he might be the fastest player to
ever play in the Nation Football League, there is and
should be for the right person who's reasonable in their
acceptance of their failures, a second chance. So again, I'm

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not sitting here telling you God live pro women. Abusers
like no I mean there there is no real of
course anti but I also don't believe in a career
death penalty for a first time offense. If you dig
in and you find out that that person accepts responsibility,
grows from it, and there has to be some sort

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of punishment. I got no problem losing your job, but
I do think this is one that you can come
back from and let's see if you can become of
a you know, somebody who's a productive member of not
just society but the National Football League. I think that's
a reasonable thought to have. The the other part two
it is, you know, if you completely crush somebody's career

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and their ability to make money. And this is something
I don't know how much it will be discussed. It.
It stands to reason though, that you're gonna stop some
women from coming out. There's already there's already the the
victim shaming in America, and we do this. They do
this in other countries where if somebody comes out with

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negative information about a professional athlete, or negative information about anybody,
instead of deciphering the information and giving a legitimate alibi
or an explanation, instead we go after the victim, which
is wrong. But if Kareem Hunt never plays football again,
and in this case it's not the case, but in
a prov if it's if it's somebody who's your significant

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other and you depend upon them for spousal support because
you have a kid, Like I'd be cautious if I'm
a woman about coming out and outing somebody as an abuser.
Why because they'll never be able to make money ever again.
So I don't think this is an unreasonable, unreasonable timeline
or unreasonable way for Kareem Hunt to get back in

(08:14):
the Nation Football League. But I do wonder. I wonder
if we as Americans, as we as sports fans, are
reasonable in our acceptance of people go to counseling, people
get a second chance, and we'll see what he does
with that second chance. This is Doug Gotlip Show here
in Fox Sports Radio. We'll get to the Kyler Murray stuff,
which I I believe I was the first. I know
it's the first national guy. I don't know about local guys.

(08:37):
I do some stuff in Oklahoma City. I don't remember them,
any any of them suggesting that they all just assumed
he was gonna go baseball, and I said it all along,
Like I think it should, and we'll go football because
I think his draft stock will go up. But it's
a weird thing because even though I was a proponent
of him going to play football, I would not be
a proponent of drafting him to be on my football team.
We'll talk about that upcoming. Michael Lombardi is gonna join us.

(08:58):
Ethan Strouss, who has been the crosshairs of Kevin Durant,
is going to join us later on the show, and
so too will Jim Jackson will talk some NBA. We'll
talk some college hoop with Jim Jackson in the third
and final hour of the show, before we get to
Chris Haynes, who was our first guest. NBA Insider does
a great job for Yahoo Sports. I actually wanted to
defend Magic Johnson for a second. Magic Johnson, of course,

(09:23):
is the was the president of the l A Lakers,
and look Magic is. He is all smile, he is
all goss, She shucks. He has the confidence slash arrogance.
I'm a former great player who wants to be a
great executive, who truly believes he was a part of
the rebirth of the Dodgers. He has not been perfect,

(09:44):
but when he was asked if they operated in good
faith talking about the New Orleans Pelicans. He said, no,
they didn't take a listen to Magic Johnson yesterday. Basically
at the end of the day, what happened happened, and
we knew that when we first started. But hey, it

(10:04):
is what it is. I'm gonna say this again with
making this about thinking these guys babies, because that's what
you're treating them about their professionals, all of them. And
this is how this league works. They know it, I
know it. That's how it goes. Yeah, so look, Magic
is is sitting there trying to go old school. Hey,

(10:25):
toughen up. If your name is mentioned that, you can't quit,
you can't stop playing. There's an emotional nature to any
any of these guys in their twenties. Like I feel
like guys in their twenties have always been emotional, and
these are, you know, like kids these days are even
more emotional because they're so tied to their phones and
so tied to how they're viewed in the world, and

(10:45):
so tied to their own value. Everybody's told that the
greatest from the time that they start playing any sport. Ever,
I mean, there's a portion of it that that's that.
But the other portion of it is, hey, all this
info was coming the Pelicans, and that's what Magic was
talking about. Like they couldn't control any narrative because they

(11:06):
weren't talking to anybody. They were simply trying to get
a deal done, and the Pelicans were using it to
show everybody how tick they were. They were doing it
out of spite, right like that, that's all they're doing
the Pelicans. The Pelicans were the soon to be x
who goes to a party and just gets completely slashed

(11:27):
and makes an ass of themselves, as the Pelicans are.
By the way, I don't know if you've paid and
pay any attention to this, but the Pelicans wanted to
shut They want to shut down Anthony Davis for the
rest of the year, which doesn't make much sense to me.
It's the bubble wrap. Hey, we're gonna we know we're
gonna trade him, and we want a tank, so we're
gonna not play, which no one does. Most people do
what they're essentially being forced to do, which is play

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Anthony Davis, and they're not playing him in the fourth quarter.
But if you don't think that the league is pissed
at the Pelicans. Not just the Lakers for trying to
to poach players, but the Pelicans. That's why they're threatening
to I a hundred thousand dollars to Anthony Davis if
he doesn't play, even though he's not hurt. But I'll
defend Magic Johnson. That was the Pelicans just simply out

(12:12):
of spite, trying to make them look bad, trying to
poison the well. On some levels, it works. We'll talk
some moves upcoming. Next insider Chris Haynes joins the show.
We'll get his thoughts on that. Uh, we'll get his
thoughts on Kevin Durant, who he's one of the few
guys Kevin Durant has sat down with. Why has Kevin

(12:32):
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I give you my thoughts on Kyler Murray deciding it's

(14:21):
football's my number one and he's gonna give back some
money so that he doesn't play for the Oakland A's
as of now, right, like baseball is you know, Phil
Mickelson one at Pebble Beach. Finally today I said it
earlier today. I've said this for a long time. You're
never too drunk to fish and never too old to
play golf. And let's be honest, the window, though, it
makes it a harder the more you play football to

(14:41):
play baseball, but the window does not close. Look at
Tim Tebow, who might get a shot, granted, bigger name,
but look at Tim Tebow, not the athlete of a
Kyler Murray um and you know didn't play college baseball.
Look at Tim Tebow and look at Kyler Murray. The
window does not close, but it is only cracked open.
Now let's turn to the to the NBA as we

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welcome to Chris Haynes from Yahoo Sports. And I want
to I want to play for him. Something we heard
from Marcus Morris. Remember the phild up the Boston Celtics.
They lost, They had a twenty three point lead. I
believe when Kyrie Irving got hurt, kyr even got hurt.
They had a twenty three point lead, and uh, he

(15:25):
goes out with a knee injury. They collapse. Here's Marcus
Morris after the game. Oh sorry, Marcus Moore is basically saying, hey,
look we got too many individuals. He also went on
to kind of back it up earlier today and say
that he uh that he's never been this close to
winning a championship, and he feels like they have a
legit chance, but they have to they have to change,
they have to evolve, they have to play the right way.

(15:46):
Chris Haynes joins us Ri, Chris, there's a bunch of
things I want to get to. But one, do things
wrong with the Boston Celtics in terms of their chemistry. Well,
if you look at it, if it's not a completely
different change from last year, but there's a couple of
major pieces on this year's team that wasn't there last year.
We talked about Kyrie Irving and you talked about Goldon Hayward,

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and you know, there's a there's a few dynamics that
I think people need to understand. You know, last year's
team was essentially I equated to like a college team.
You know, there wasn't there wasn't a real star on
that team. Everybody was pretty much, you know, trying to
find their identity and there really wasn't. There really wasn't

(16:28):
an ego on that team. And it was you know
that that was Tabor made for a Blast Stevens type
of situation to be able to to orchestrate and to
oppose his game plan and everybody brought in. But now
you have Kyrie Irvan who was a STARTUS League. They
have Gordon Haywards the STARTUS League, and he's trying to

(16:49):
implethment those guys with their success that they had last year.
And you just you're just seeing throughout the course of
the season that button head, just seeing Kyrie Irving, you know,
pretty much be frustrated off throughout this year. Hay Rose
years have been frustrated at at certain points. So you're
just seeing it all. Just come come to a hair
right now. And Marcus is right, there's a lot of
individual one. I seed that you know, it's up the

(17:11):
brass Stevens and Strata implement a team to sound um
squad like he did last year. But that I just
have to come to about yet. All right, let's get
to Kevin Durant too. I know you've done some sit
downs with a bunch of people in the NBA, one
of which is is Kevin Durant. What's amazing is uh
there are some people that will say, well, Kevin Durants

(17:32):
mentally soft because he's affected by the media or affected
by social media. I would actually take the opposite tact,
because you know, I watched him drop thirty nine last night.
How granted, he did double dribble at the end of
the game po DeMarcus Cousins scored the final two points.
But the point is that in spite of all the
the turmoil and turmolt, tumult outside you know, outside of

(17:56):
the basketball Jim, he does find a way to produce.
Like Steps had an up and down year, Clay has
had an up and down year. He's been the guy
who has been the most solid, the most consistent throughout
the year. What's your take on on Kevin Durant and
kind of lashing out at some of your media brethren,
army of your brethren going back to last week. Well,

(18:18):
you can, you can definitely make the case. You know,
you could say, you know, people want to call himself uh,
you know, a question of the things he does, he
does you know, outside the basketball court, and yeah, he
definitely I told him definitely deserved criticism, uh for some
of those things. And uh, you know he's the type

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and and it's weird, you know, I've had this conversation
with Kevin. You know, it's like he wishes people will
just focus on basketball, basketball, basket. He wants us to
write about basketball, you know something. You know at certain times,
who are asking, you know what I'm writing about it?
And I told the story, uh that I'm working on it,

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and he was like, man, that has let to do it?
What just happened on the court, and I have to
explain it. Like man, a lot of people who you
know who read you know, what we're doing, what we're writing.
You know, they want to know about uh, what's coming up,
what's ahead? Uh what? And he has to understand and
the players have to understand it. What what you do
on the floor makes you relevant two And it opens

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you up to for uh to talk about the free agency,
especially if you're you're as signing one in one deals
UH every year. And so you know, look, you can't
deny what he does on the core. He's the top
through Charlnge in this league, and you know that's just
something he just has to deal with. It's it's amazing though,
like he wins to NBA Finals MVPs previously one of

(19:44):
the league's MVP. He's a two time NBA champion and
by the way he was guarding and being guarded by
Lebron James, I do actually understand a little bit of
his frustration and his yearning for respect. Um. But there
are people that assume it's over, it's done, He's going
to the Knicks. When you hear those assumptions, what do
you think I think it's way too premature that he's

(20:06):
saying he's going to the next I reported months ago
that they were that they were on his radar, And
I definitely think if he's going to take a meeting,
he will take a meet with the New York next
you know, in my in the pod that I you
know that I did with him, Uh, he came on
my podcast and he said he can't be recruited. He
won't be going through this whole recruiting um circus. And

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so I don't know what that means when when when
when it does turn to the July one, But you know,
I think it's premature, you know, to say what he's
going to do all the all the pact right now. Uh,
it's a long season and if to go to State,
you know, wins the championship this year, Uh, it's a
historical team. Uh. He talked about wanting to play to

(20:50):
me warning to play the chasinger or that's going to
open up for the Warriors next season, and uh so
you know, I just don't know. I I definitely think
with him, a lot of things change, particularly you know,
when he would do that incident with Raymon. If free
free free agency started the next day. I would have
I would have bet my house that he was out,

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But it's it's a long season in k D. He
has tendency to change his mind or there I think
anybody has a tendency to change with MI. Chris Haynes
joins this in y'ah Who Sports The Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. When you hear Lebron James say
I'm not chasing anything, well, how does that make you feel?
What does that make you think about? It? Was? You know,
I never I always feel like his message are messages

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are coded in some way, but he wants us to
believe that he's not chasing championships in l A. When
you hear that, how do you react? Well, that's what
they've they've been telling us from the from the offset.
You know what he signed with l A. You know,
they said it wasn't about championships, and you know they were,
you know, him and his agents, they were kind of
preaching that message that you know, it's bigger than that,

(21:57):
it's not you know, and I think that's the first
time I heard Lebron actually say that. But that's been
their message, is that, uh, you know, this is what
makes him happy. This is a family decision and he
wants everybody to know that. You know, like you said,
he's had every you know, he's had everything there is
to happiness lead. Do I believe him, though not necessarily

(22:19):
because I know Lebron James man. He's a very impatient,
um individual and when you when you have him on
your team, there's a miss pressure from front office, management,
ownership to the players. And that's why there's there's such
a desire to hurry up and try to get an
impact player in a d there's one to try to
get him now, and then trying to get a veteran player.

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You know, we've heard about them bringing on Carmelo Trevor reason, Uh,
it was somebody else at some point to shipped my mind.
But you know, Lebron and James always put stress on
organization and try to compete, and so I don't know
that I believe him fully, but yeah, that's been a
messed up and reached since the summer. Magic said that

(23:02):
that he was asked if if New Orleans negotiating good faith.
He said no. Then he says, you know what happened happened.
I'm led to believe that New Orleans leaked out all
of that stuff, even a lot of things that were
not true in terms of what the Lakers offered. What
have you heard in regards to the Lakers and the
Pelicans and and what went so austray last week? Yeah,

(23:25):
I can't, I can't confirm me to that, but it
definitely feels like that's what happened. It definitely appears that
the war was, you know, just just strung him along
at leaked Thames and and I think that tractic is
what ultimately, uh facilitated, facilitated that hostile environment when when

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they were in Indiana, I've never seen a fan base
so rolled up like that and on one occur with
the chance of you know, brend angles at the fruit
chat and Lebron is going to trade you. That was real.
That was some savage stuff like there. And so I
think that that the will is that that facilitate that
type of environment, and uh, it's going to be interested

(24:09):
to seat. Uh you know how this team bounces back.
They had a good win in Boston, they faltered in Philadelphia,
but you know that's a young squad, so they never
have to go through that. Uh. You know, I feel
sortful a little bit, But Magic Johnson said, Hey, don't
feel so awful. This is the business. Things like that happens.
So I want to see how the young guys are

(24:30):
gonna respond to you know, if there's gonna be tension
throughout the season, or if there's gonna you know, get
past this move off. The Magic said that that Ben
Simmons had reached out to him and talked to him
that big, big guard stuff. Of course, apparently the seventies
six years have have quashed that. It just seems odd
for Ben Simmons to reach out to Magic Johnson runs
another team and want to talk and want to pick

(24:51):
his brain, doesn't it? It does? But why would Magic
live about something like that? You know that that that's
that's the only thing right there, especially when I don't know.
I think Magic should have kept it to himself in
the first place. I do believe, I do believe that
they talked to me, they have some conversations about possibly

(25:13):
getting together. But you know, why wouldn't Magic go on
record and say that when you know, champing charges are
being fouled all throughout this league now, and he knows
fooling well what he can and what he can't not
say is uh, you know, I just think magic magic.
It seems like he was just like Lebron, Lebron pulled
up to the dingle Wi. They just don't care, like

(25:36):
health took the hit. But I do believe, I do
believe that. I don't. I just don't feel he has
a reason lie about something like that. Is it a
little bit naive to be even talking about that? Maybe?
But I don't. I think he's truthful in that right. Uh.
Last thing, the Sixers are going forward, The Raptors are
going forward. And I don't expect anybody to hear something

(25:58):
from Kauai because nobody's ever heard anything from Quiet other
than that really weird laugh. Um. But but am I
wrong to think just like there's a sense that that
that Katie ends up in New York? Uh, isn't there
like an overwhelming sense he ends up with the Clippers?
Is that still what you're hearing? Kay? Do you say

(26:19):
no Kauai? Oh? Yeah, for sure that they're in play. Yeah,
for sure that the Clippers are in play. But you
gotta get a toront of wrapt this credit Massia juries
putting together a squad there, man, And I said it, um,
they're from top to bottom. I think that the deepest
tween the in the n B A and UH with
Lebron James out of East, they're definitely a path to

(26:41):
the finals and they're going to be a tough out
in the choiring Marcresol, I think that's only going to
boast of them offensively and defensively. So I think they're
putting themselves from pretty good position to try to win
the heart of Kauai Limar. But l A is a
play and when I'm talking by l A, primarily l
A Clippers. But you know, wooding does a lot. The

(27:02):
wooding changes a lot of people's opinions, perspective on a
different situations, and I think that's what obviously, that's what
the Toronto Raptors are hoping a bit not Chris Haynes,
NBA Insider and a good one for Yahoo Sports. Chris,
thanks so much for joining us son Fox Sports Radio.
Thank you. All right, let's get to Steve to Steger
find out what else is going on the world sports. Well,

(27:23):
I thought you were just gonna come in and read
a f scores. It turns out you gotta work for
a living there, Disgrea that's all right, We're gonna preview
next weekend's matches. So also nine NBA games tonight, including
Milwaukee on the road and Toronto at home. The Milwaukee
Bucks first in the East a game over Toronto. The
Raptors have won four straight. They're hosting Brooklyn at seven
thirty Eastern, and guard Jeremy Lynn could sign with the Raptors.

(27:45):
He's reportedly being bought out by Atlanta. Milwaukee's at Chicago
at eight pm Eastern. The Bucks we're fine twenty five
thousand dollars for tampering comments about Anthony Davis. According to ESPN.
The late game, Denver Losers have three straight, hosting Miami
at nine p m Eastern. Nuggets are second in the West,
three games behind Idle Golden State Thunder four games behind

(28:05):
Oklahoma City as a home game tonight against Portland. Oakland
A's pitchers and catchers reported spring training today, the first
team to do so this year, but Heisman winner Kyler
Murray announced he chooses pro football over baseball. He says
he's committed to becoming an NFL quarterback. The Cleveland Brown
signed former Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt to a one
year deal. Though he'll still likely be suspended this year.

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The Panthers resigned safety Eric Read to a three year contract.
The Falcons hired Bob Sutton as senior assistant. He was
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new polls, ahead of number two Duke for a fourth
straight week. Gonzaga is up to number three, Virginia now
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finished up a three stroke victory over Paul Casey, who
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I believe I want to and and listen. I'm not
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and I also you're gonna something. You can be like,
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Right there, there's there's a Twitter handle called old was
an Old Takes Exposed? Is that what it? Old takes Exposed?
And the idea is, if you have a bad take,
that's something that goes like he's terable, and the guy
ends up, you know, winning an m VP in the
finals MVP and becomes a first ballot Hall of Famer,
then your old take gets exposed on old takes. I

(30:15):
suppose nobody ever has a Twitter handle that says correct
takes Exposed? Do they not? That I'm aware of? Um
Kyler Murray made it official today. He's gonna pursue football,
not baseball. And I believed it was first mentioned on
this show December ten. Yeah, that's right, December ten. I said, hey, look,

(30:39):
first I told you he was gonna win the Heisman
before when everybody had to gonna win the Heisman. I
just thought, you know, part of it is he got
more opportunities to make plays in the fourth quarter late
in these big games. And obviously that was before you
know two have got pulled in the SEC championship game
and he got pulled because he had a bad ankle
and he wasn't playing well. Part of it was system,

(31:01):
part of it was talent and how good he is.
And when I talk to NFL people and they're like, look, man,
that's Mike Vick speed and Doug Flutie size like, and
they were saying, they're in, of course in college football,
you should be. In December tenth, I was the first
one to say he should play football, not baseball. And
the thinking was very It wasn't you you'll get football,

(31:23):
gotta go. You gotta pursue what you love. You also
have to have a smart business sense, and the smart
business sense was if you do baseball, you get paid upfront,
you paid a couple million bucks, and that's money that
I've never had. I'm sure he's never had. It's just
it's hard to turn down that money. But then you
don't get any money, essentially real money, until your fifth

(31:44):
year playing major League baseball, which could be six or
seven years away. Even if you're writing in your contract
where you can only spend a year and a half
in the minor leagues, you're you're still six years away
from getting legitimately paid, and you've got to be good
in order to get legitimate. The hate the baseball thing
is so overdone, oversold how great it is in comparison

(32:06):
to every other sport. It's good, but it's great for
a small selection of guys at the very top of
the sport. And there's no promise that Kyler Murray, at
all of five ft nine and one great year, really
good year in college baseball, is going to be that guy.
And look, I mean even Bryce Harper, and and I

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could sit here and tell you Bryce Harper is not
gonna get what he thought he'd get, and so maybe
he ends up settling for you know, three or four
years at plus thirty million dollars, and that's that's elite
quarterback money, the differences. Remember, right, you still have to
go through some form of minor leagues. And Bryce Harper,
this isn't his first go round with being a pro.
He's been a pro for a couple of years. In football,

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you're in the league, you're in the league, and if
you're a first round pick, you're a starting quarterback, usually
almost always in year one. So he's gonna get a chance,
and the question is can you find the right fit
and can you make some plays? I think this was
an easy, no brainer decision for a guy who had
two great decisions. He could make two great decisions he
could make so Kyler Murray, I mean, look this and

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this is not he doesn't want to play for the
A's who took him ninth overall, but he is going
to play baseball and somebody's gonna take him, and somebody's
gonna take him really really early, probably too early in
the draft. What's the other part that's interesting, and this
is you know I used to get accused. Do you
guys remember when you see A made the tournament just
like three or four years ago, and I said, there's
nobody on earth who actually belong believes they belong in.

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And then we come around to picking the teams, and
I picked them to go to the Sweet sixteen, and
people are like, what are you talking about? How can
you say they don't belong in? Then say they win
some games? Like well, because winning games is not about
belonging in. It's about matchups. And you know it's there's
a slight margin there. I would say the opposite about
Kyler Murray. Cayler Murray is going to be a first
round draft pick. I just wouldn't draft him. I just wouldn't.

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In an effort to be overly creative. We play a game. Okay,
this is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Valentine's
Day is Thursday, February fourteenth. What a gift? What gift
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At Hellsburg Diamonds? Steve de Sega? What's the game game? John?
Big Deal, Little deal? No deal? Doug, I will give
you the item. You tell me one of those three responses,
whether it's a big deal, little deal or no deal

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Item one. The premier of the Alliance of American Football
actually edged out the NBA head to head in ratings
for over the air TV on Saturday Night Now. The
comeback of the Thunder against Houston wound up at two
point seven million viewers near the end. Uh, it was
actually a higher number than that to start for pregame
in first half of the alliance. Is that big deal?

(35:58):
Little deal, no deal? I would say that is a
little deal. Uh. It's their first game, and I thought
CBS did an outstanding job of broadcasting in I think
there's some rules changes they put in there. The NFL
is gonna look long and hard at but it's just
the first game. Let's see what happens week two. This
is a lot like the premiere of a TV show.
It's the second week that really matters. Yeah, and also

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it was a regular channel getting about a two overnight rating.
NFL Network last night zero point four overnight rating. Just
for the record. As for item to Patriots backup quarterback
Brian Hoyer noticed a trend in the Rams offense by
watching Peyton Manning's detail on ESPN and others. You see
that Sean McVeigh used to be on the Redskin staff
coaching for Mike and Kyle Shanahan. It turned out, hey,

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the offense is the same there with the Rams, and
looking at tape, he confirmed it went back to the
y'all or Nothing series on Amazon about the Rams, found
footage of O. T. A S from mcveigh's first spring
in l A. Recognized the language, as Hoyer put it,
having played in that offense. They don't have an answer
for all out pressure. Their answer is for the quarterback
to make a play. Is this a big deal? Little

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deal or no deal? Huge deal? Huge? Um, a massive,
massive deal. I think telling people by the way is
probably a mistake because because well, one, I mean now
they know everybody's watching. In two, you'll never be able
to No one's ever gonna let anybody inside their camps
to watch their offenses ever again, ever again. But also

(37:26):
it should be point out this is why Bill Belichick
makes a habit of signing guys who have been cut
by teams He's gonna play, Yeah, because you find out
little bitties like this. This is kind of like when
what not as obvious, but kind of like when John
Gruden faced his old team the race. Yes, that was
the Super Bowl. They they had James the Audibles and

(37:47):
and Barrett Robbins went crazy, was in Mexico and Rich
Cannon got hurt. It was but but the point is, uh,
the point is completely and totally accurate. You know, and
and you know, by the way, any offense that has
no answer for all out pressure is not a good enough,
good enough offense to be honestly to the NBA Item three,
the seventies six ers won't allow Ben Simmons to consult

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Magic Johnson order to learn from a fellow big guard.
It was Elton brand GM of Philly who said on
The Fanatic in Philadelphia this morning that there was the
discussion about all of this, and the radio interview. He said,
Rob Polinka, the Lakers called me said Ben wanted to
talk to Hall of Famers after the season, that Magic
was on the list. He asked for authorization. I said, no,
this was over a month ago. Wos in fact, just

(38:32):
treated out that he got a response from an NBA
spokesman that said the league office is looking into whether
any contact took place between Simmons and the Lakers that
violated rules. Uh yeah, I mean, like, look, I I
think that everyone's looking out the way Rich Paul does business.
You know, he represents Ben Simmons, he represents Anthony Davis,

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and I do think there's some legitimacy to it. If
if you know about Ben Simmons. He is a student
of the game and a historian at that. So it's
a little deal for you. I think it's a little deal.
I I do. I think it looks bad because of
the idea of tampering and Rich Paul represents him. But
if you actually know Ben Simmons, he formed his game
not after Lebron James, but more after lamar Odom and

(39:15):
lamar Odom when he was growing up, was trying to
be the next Magic Johnson. But there's only one Magic,
and I think that's who Ben Simmons wants to be.
Like veteran pitcher Justin Verlander thinks major League Baseball's free
agency system is broken. As he said on Twitter, a
hunter or so free agents still left unsigned. They blame rebuilding,
But you're telling me you couldn't sign Bryce or Manny
for ten years and go from there. It seems like

(39:35):
a good place to start a rebuild. To me, age
to thirty six is a great performance window to end
quote Verlander, big deal, little deal or no deal. It's
a big deal in baseball, whether it's the fact that
they're finally getting smart about the contracts, whether they're colluding
to it, whether it's the fact that a lot of
the money is going to the Bullpens. The fact is

(39:55):
the tenure deal, that things are done, final item Panther
resign Eric Read to a three year contract and yeah,
it's worth slightly more than twenty two million dollars according
to NFL Network. So some say that strengthens the old
collusion grievance against the league. Remember that was filed on
his behalf by the union last May when he wasn't

(40:17):
signed by the forty niners. He had been their first
rounder originally, gets money, gets a multi year deal, big deal,
little deal or no deal. To you, I'm gonna say
a little deal. I'm gonna say absolutely positively little deal
because you saw this coming and I think ultimately the
kid ends up benefiting from it. This is game time

(40:40):
on the Doug Gottlieb Show Doug Olive Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. A million things kind of seemingly going on.
We talked some Kyler, we talked some Kareem Hunt. Michael
Lombardi who just came out on He wrote a column
earlier today on on John Dorsey not caring about character,
and of course then he signed Kareem Hunt. Earlier today.

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It's gonna be fascinating to see how that one works,
because that's one of those If it hits, you're you're
a hero. If it doesn't, you lose your job. You
lose your job. You know, if if, if Kareem Hunt
gets in trouble again, then John Dorsey will and should
lose his job because he vouched for him. He's his

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rabbi in the room. He was there when they brought
him to Kansas City. He's there, He's responsible. This is
on his watch. Coming up next, speaking of former NFL
g im Michael Lombardi, he'll be our guest. What does
he make of the Browns signing Kareem Hunt? Plus what
is Kyler Murray? Uh? Will Kyler Murray be successful in
the NFL at such a smaller size, but it's so

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there's two big news nuggets of the day in the
National Football League. If you weren't listening to the updates,
let me kind of give you the skinny. Kyler Murray
Heisman Trophy winning quarterback University of Oklahoma is going to
shun the uh the big signing bonus of the Oakland
A's and be fully committed to playing football. At this
point in his career, Murray is somewhere north of five

(43:01):
ft nine somewhere south of five ft ten in that
big dude. But as as we told you, I told
you for months, financially, this is a no brainer. If
he's gonna be a first round pick, and you look
at the lack of quarterbacks in the draft and it
feels like he's gonna be a first round pick. I
want to get to that. Plus Kareem Hunt, who led
the league in rushing his rookie, then was cut by

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the Kansas Chiefs after a video of him kicking a
woman circulated, so he lost his job after week eleven,
has signed to his freason with the Cleveland Browns. A
guy who's got a ton of educated opinions because he's
been in the front office in two short Bowl champion teams,
work with everybody, and and people work for him. He's
Michael Lombardi kind of have to spend some time with

(43:42):
us here on the Doug Gotlip Show, the podcast at
GM Street. We'll get to his book in a moment um.
Let's start with the Kyler Murray. Uh, Kyler Murray. Somebody
is going to take him. But if you were in
that front office, would you you know that's a tough car.
I mean, there's just not a lot of precedent around
a five nine quarterback. Look. I know, the guy's got
dynamic feed and every every time I watched him play,

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he oppressed me with his ability. But you know that
there's times where I think you saw it in the
Super Bowl when there's a good defensive coach who knows
how to rush a quarterback, can rush a quarterback keep
him in the pocket, much like the New England Patriots
did with Patrick Mahomes, much like they did with Jared Goff.
That is going to be problems, and those problems aren't
going away. I'm not a heighte snob. I I certainly

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respect and appreciate Drew Brees is what he's been able
to accomplish. But Breeze is too and just taller than
this kid. Probably it's just gonna be a longer haul.
I think that. You know, people say, well, the system
is easier now, I don't think so. When you're in shotgun,
it's it's harder to see as much as it is
when you're under center. So I think it's gonna be
a challenge. Um, okay, so, but but somebody seemingly will

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right Like a GM described to me as, look, he's
Doug Flutie with Mike Vick's legs. Um. Is that an
accurate depiction of what you're hearing from others who have
studied him? You know, I think that's probably accurate, you know,
I mean, I've watched him on tape and he certainly
is dynamic. His arm, he could make you defend every
blade of grass all over the field. He's accurate, He's

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got the speed of Lamar jack Lamar Jackson with more accuracy,
just doesn't have the size. And I think that size
is gonna be problematic as he comes into the NFL.
It doesn't really matter where he gets drafted. It matters
how he plays. That's gonna be the critical component. And
so how he plays is really the issue that you
have to deal with, not where he's going to get drafted. Uh,

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Kareem Hunt. You just wrote about this today remarkably in
terms of John Dorsey. John Dorsey decides uh to go
back into his Kansas City days and draft and and
signed Kareem Hunt. And he was a part of the
Kansey Chiefs organization when Kareem when when they evaluated Kareem Hunt.
What's your take on that signing with the Cleveland Browns.
I don't get it, I really don't. I mean, they've

(45:51):
got a really good player in Nick Chubb, they've got
a good, really good past receiver in Duke Johnson, and
Kareem Hunt's not gonna play. I mean, he's still waiting
to get a suspension. Whether what he's to get suspended
for I'm not sure why you would do this. This
is a perfect example of someone just collecting talent, not
building a team. I wrote about John Dorsey today. Look,
John Dorsey does not care about character. He's gonna and

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he's had success with it. Look he's been able to
escape it to a degree in Kansas City with Kyrie
Hill and of course Travis Kelsey. That hasn't always happened.
And I think it's on a young team like the
Cleveland Browns without a dominating head coach like Andy Reid.
I think it's problematic for that locker room. Is that
why the Newingham Patriots are able to win? How much

(46:33):
does and because people will say, well they had Aaron Hernandez,
but how much does you work for them? How much
does the character actually matter in their evaluations? Well, I
mean Aaron Aett has had issues off the field. I
don't think anybody was aware of them in New England.
I think that's terribly clear. The reality of Aaron her
name is when he entered the building in Foxboro, worked
hard with smart prepared. When he left, that's when the

(46:53):
problems happened. They didn't know about him, and that's obviously
on them. But you know, look, character matters. I mean
it's about really look at the New England Patriots that
won the Super Bowl. They were not the best team
in terms of talent, but they were the best team
in terms of team and I think because they were
able to communicate and listen. I mean, if you just
listen to the clips of the players talking how they

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got along with each other, I think it's critical. It
plays a long way and go into their dynasty of
eighteen years of being able to dominate football like they have.
The Carolina Panthers signed Eric Reed to a deal that
gives him ten million up front over twenty two million overall.
Obviously when they brought him in, there was there was
some desperation there right their defense and they fired the
whole defensive staff. Is that the right amount of money

(47:36):
for Eric Red? You know? I think look read played
really well for him, and you can't deny that. Uh,
you know, the this is something that that I think
always happens with the Carolina Panthers. They're going to react
to it. I mean, it's amazing the guy is not
even available, you sign him off the street and then
you pay him this kind of contract. He certainly played
well enough to deserve the contract. I'm not sure you
couldn't use your funds somewhere else, But the Panthers decided

(47:57):
to go in that direction, and I think it's good
for Eric read that he signs Jadeveon. Clowney is not
going to hit the true free agent market, but as
a former number one of our pick and early in
his career it looked like he wouldn't get off the
ground because there were so many injuries. How do you
view Clowney now that he's been in the league a
couple of years. I think he got to be concerned
about the injury. Certainly, he's gonna get paid. I mean,

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when does the top pass rusher like this a will
ever make it to the market. I mean, it's rare
to see that. And he certainly has skill that he
can shift the game. He's got to prove his doability
as much as he proves his ability, which is critical.
But look, I think that the Texans are smart. They
have some really good young players on their team. They
need to keep him as one of those good young players.
What what happens um, what happens with Levian Bell? You know,

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I just think to me. I think there's too many
teams that have too much money. I think Levian Bell
will get paid. Will he ever recoup the money that
he lost this year? Probably not, But he's gonna get paid.
I think there's no doubt about it. I think he's
going to get the money that he needs. Uh. And
whether it's San Francisco or the New York Death Book
wrote about this today. Adam Gates took over the New
York Jets. You know, Mike mccagan kept his job in

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New York. I'm not sure how they have one of
the worst rosters in football now. Todd Todd Bowles paid
a price for that roster. He after four years, they
both came in together and McKagan stayed and Bowls was gone.
This isn't just about they had bad coaching. This is
about their roster no left tackle, not no running backs.
I mean last year they signed special Trell Prior and
Tremaine Williams. Is the three free agent signings. Two of

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them aren't even on the team right now. Yeah, it's
it's really remarkable on how he's been able to keep
his job. And I guess the plan was all this
cap space. But my question is do you use it
on just one guy or can you spread it around? Um?
Speaking of spreading around, I saw this where Dak Prescott
was asked about about Tom Brady taking less money uh

(49:45):
to remain as quarterback with the Newham Patriots, and he
said like, look, he's not the primary breadwinner. And he
kind of said a tongue in cheek, but he meant
it like, you know, I'm not married to Giselle. He's
I'm the primary breadwinner. In other words, it doesn't feel
like Dak Prescott feels the need to have any discount
with the Dallas Cowboys. Is that the smart approach? If
you were advising Dak Prescott, well, look, I mean, you

(50:06):
got your negotiating, so you gotta get as much as
you possibly can. But I think Dak Prescott's got to
realize if he takes all the money he's going to
take all that, he won't be nearly as good with
that situation. He's gonna need to understand that he's gonna
need some players around him. I mean part of Brady.
And you know Brady was doing this before he married yourself,
so that's really not accurate. He was taking less money
before he didn't become the number one breadwinner. He was

(50:28):
all about the team, and the team respects him. They
don't play it. They don't pay anybody more than he
makes because they realize he's the best player on the team. Yeah. Um,
speaking speaking of Brady, he keeps doing it. You've got
a chance to see see the tape now and really
kind of digest what we've seen from the Super Bowl.
He didn't play great, did play well in that one

(50:48):
series which they threw a touchdown pass, could have thrown
three interceptions the FC Championship game. It appears he wants
to come back, and I know they continue to give
him a power running game around him, and they'll probably
give him a better threat out side the numbers next year.
But how much slippers do you see in Tom Brady's
performance here late in the year. Well, I think he
just didn't play well, and I mean less against the
Los Angeles Charges he played really well, and I think

(51:10):
when you watched the tape against Kansas City, you know
he made a couple of mistakes in the game. Unlike him.
He threw an interception in the red zone and then
he threw another interception when the laser beam kind of
hit him. Uh So those two players really hurt him
and almost cost a game when he threw the interception
which bounced off at Grons hands, which wasn't Tom's fault.
But I thought the Super Bowl he wasn't of his
best game. I think he really didn't take his reads.

(51:32):
I think there was guys open. The first interception, Julian
ed was wide open coming across the field. But look,
the moment of the game gets a lot of us
and I think the Patriots, the way they dominated that
game was pretty clear they were the better team. Brady
finally got it together on the last drive. You know,
Golf was the of all the twelve quarterbacks that participated
in the playoffs, Goff was the tent the quarter in
the quarterback rating QBR of ESPN only Lamar Jackson and

(51:58):
Lamar Jackson, and it was worse. So I think that's
really the issue here when you look at it. Golf
had to play, Golf didn't play as well. Brady played
better than Golf. That's why they want, You know, Gruden,
Do you think Gruden is all in on car? I
don't know if John Gruten's all in on anybody. I mean,
that's that's the only answer I could give you, that's

(52:19):
the correct answer. John has never been all in on anyone.
I mean, give me a chapter in verse of when
John has been all in. I don't think there's one.
I think it's all about performance based on that year,
based on Google Ford. So I'm not sure John's all
in on anyoney. You've been honest in your assessment of fools.
Is there is there one fit that looks better to

(52:40):
you than others in a team that you trade for him? Well,
I think look Jacksonville because of of the situation down there.
The coordinator, they know him really well. He knows him. Uh.
John d. Philippo was with him in Philadelphia. He knows him,
understands them. But I mean that's a that's a interesting
staff in Jacksonville. You got de Filippo, who comes from

(53:01):
one system, where Bisky comes from another one. You've got
George Warhop, the offensive wine coach, who comes from an
entirely different system, and you're blenming all this together. Is
it going to benefit Nick Foles? I don't know. I
think that's gonna be the real challenge. So I don't
know if that's the perfect place for him. I think
it's a place that will tell of their offense around
to what he does effectively. I'm not sure that that

(53:24):
people understand completely that Nick Foles is better running Chip
Kelly's offense than he was running Buck Peterson's offense. What
are the Giants doing? I mean, it looks like they're
gonna roll Eli out there again. I would assume they're
going to try and dig in the draft to get
to get somebody. What what's your assessment of the Giants who?
I mean, Sake One had a good year. He's a
home run hitter. Um, you know, they have the Odell thing.

(53:47):
It seems like they have the tight end. They're filling
other holes, but it's still quarterback place, still very much
a question. What's your assessment of their plan and how
they're executing it? Well? I think this. I think the
Giants are taken this approach. They're gonna they're gonna draft
a quarterback. They've got Eli as the backup, and they're
going to integrate the guy they draft sometime in two
thousand and twenty, and if they have to do it

(54:08):
in two thousand and nineteen, they will. But I don't
think they're gonna jettison Eli Manning in two thousand and nineteen,
I think they're going to keep him on the roster,
keep them going. It's helps their cap. And then in
two thousand and twenty, they're gonna make the transition. But
make no mistake about it when they're when they're on
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an NBA insider for the Athletic He also has been
the center of some drama here recently with Kevin Durant.
I'm gonna ask him what this past week has been like.
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(57:26):
to the athletic he's an NBA insider and apparently now
he's persona on grated in Golden State. Makes you respect
to me even more. Not because I don't like the Warriors,
but I just like when guys do their jobs and uh,
and some athletes have trouble with them doing their jobs?
Is that what happened? Let's let's ask Ethan Strouse. He
joins his card. Remember last week, that's when Kevin Durant

(57:47):
hadn't met with the meeting in a couple of weeks,
sits down and tells them to grow up, and then
scoolds Ethan Strouss because he believes that he was jotting
things down to a notebook and not actually talking to KD.
What really happened, Ethan? Well, first of all, I resent
being told to grow up because hey, I didn't choose
this job of talking about sports all day because I
wanted to grow up. Okay, this is this is about

(58:09):
This is about protracted adolescents forever. So that's number one
and number two. I think you summed it up. I
think you summed it up. You know, this became this
wide ranging media conversation when really it's pretty simple. If
you want to synthesize it down to a sentence. I
talked about something you didn't want to talked about. That's
kind of what it is. There. There was a lot
of smoke in mirrors. There are a lot of accusations.

(58:31):
I mean today he was talking about how he doesn't
like when writers come up to him and talk to
him and then go behind his back. So I'm not
even sure which is it. Before I wasn't talking to him.
Now I talked to him and I went behind his back.
It doesn't really hold together for me. Again, simply put,
talked about something you didn't want to talked about, and
he was bad. Okay, I guess my My question, my

(58:51):
pushback to you would be, is there any answer you
can get from him that would satisfy people? Right? Because
if he says I'm staying, well, when he could change
his mind, but people don't think you can actually change
your mind, and he can't say that he's planning on leaving, right,
And if he gives an answer like, well, you know,
if he gives the Kyrie answer, which is talked to

(59:11):
me July one, well then we just assumed that he's
leaving even though we don't actually know, Like is there
a real answer that would satisfy our insatiable need to
know before everybody else knows. Yeah, there might not be
an answer that would satisfy him per his reputation management, right.
I mean, typically, the way Lebron has handled this is
similar to the way that Kyrie uh the afforementioned Kyrie

(59:33):
has handled it, where he says, look, I want to
talk about my team. I'm not going to talk about
other teams right now. I talk about my team. I
don't get involved in this free agency stuff. I think
that actually works because this whole thing, it just became
based on this false premise that he's getting bombarded with
these questions every day. He is not, as Tim Calla
Kami or Tim Calacami at the Athletic Subscribe Today said

(59:57):
he was the only Bay Area journe a list to
ask Kevin or Ran about free agency, and it was
back in September. Generally, the way these press conferences work
because they are day of the game, after the game practice.
They're focused on the day to day grind. It's what
happened in this game. You know, what did you think
about when this occurred? How is the team doing? Blah

(01:00:18):
blah blah, suddenly all these people were defending k d um,
you know, and it's it would be very reasonable. I
don't expect fans necessarily know how it goes based on Oh,
he doesn't want to get you know, keep getting asked
this all the time. He's not getting asked this all
the time. He just disappeared for over a week and
I guess anticipation of being asked about it, But that's

(01:00:39):
not really what was happening. Um, last night he was
great statistically. I know he had a bad turnover light.
Steph had a bad turnover light and frankly, he double
dribbled what would have been another bad turnover before he
found DeMarcus Cousins for what became the game winning shot. Um,
how much of the burner accounts and the media missteps

(01:01:00):
have covered up the fact that you know, like steps
had these these these shooting slumps that I don't remember
him having recently. Clay has had kind of for a while,
season long shooting slumps. The only to pull out of it, Um,
you know, Draymond, he he started making some shots, but
he went a good three months without making a shot.

(01:01:20):
And there are a different team without DeMarcus Cousins. Like,
how much of this has actually covered up the fact
that he's been their most consistent best player. Oh, he's
an amazing basketball player. Jeez, he's great. Is fairly unimpeachable
when it comes to all of that, and they've won
fifteen out of sixteen. Um, That's what's funny about this
entire embro leo is just how it's happening concurrent with

(01:01:43):
the team's greatest success this season. So, uh, it's funny.
You just wonder, why is there such a need for this,
Why is there such a defensiveness considering that he need
not defend anything, And maybe it is connected to and
I think that there's a lot to indicate that is
connected to he doesn't ever really get the love that
might be commensurate with his level of play. That he

(01:02:05):
has two finals MVPs back to back, he hits the
biggest shot in Lebron's face. We don't reorder our order
of the greatest players. We don't say, now Katie is
the best player. We say Katie might not even be
the best player on his own team. And so I
think that there is some inks to that that might
be informing this entire, uh, this entire look at me, uh,
sequence that he's putting on. That's the whole thing, isn't

(01:02:27):
I mean? In the whole thing is this yearning for
respect and admiration. I think that's a big thing for
a lot of these guys, and in the social media era,
it's harder to feel fulfillment, perhaps, so we want to
get big picture and broader about it. How many NBA
superstars are happy currently, even if they're in good situations.
It seems like we are in this odd period of
time in the NBA. We're almost every superstar has one

(01:02:49):
ft out the door at least. You know, we can
talk about Katie and speculate on the free agency, his
free ancient team where he might go. But we can
also talk about Jimmy Butler or Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis
two feet out the door, my god, and I might
even be forgetting a guy or two. Oh yeah, Kawhi Leonard.
We've never been at a moment in time quite like this.
It has something to do with the CBA, but it

(01:03:09):
also might have something to do with how guys perhaps
aren't getting as much fulfillment for what they want per
the ego as they did in the past. You know, Um,
it's interesting you bring that up, the level of unhappiness,
but also the outward discussion about their level of unhappiness.
How much of of of this, uh is A is

(01:03:30):
a bad showing by Adam Silver. I bring this up
because look, I've I've talked to some NFL people like
this would never happen in our league, and like people
want to criticize our commissioner. But it just and some
of it's a collectic bar agreement, and some of it
is the popularity of players you can see their faces,
but some of it is also that that Adam Silver
is very much a player first commissioner, and he has

(01:03:51):
allowed these guys to uh, you know, be free to
be themselves. And it doesn't it ain't great for owners,
especially these small market teams where so many pete players
want to want to get out as soon as they
possib making get out. So let me get this straight.
You want k D mad at me and the commissioner
of the NBA to get bad at me as I
follow you down this trade of thought, this is the

(01:04:12):
invitation currently. Um, I think it is a legitimate question,
though I would say this right now. There's an interesting
conversation about the NBA is owning the news cycle super
Bowl Week, everyone's talking about the NBA. Amazing. They just
completely completely eclipse the NFL, except Super Bowl happens over
a hundred million people watch it, and we're not seeing

(01:04:33):
such great results of the NBA ratings. And so while
Twitter might be dominated by this game of thrones that
we are all hooked to as the super NBA fans
and big time sports fans, the general public, where are
they really getting from it? What message is getting delivered.
If you're in Boston, a major market team with a rich,
deep history, what you get from it is that Kyrie
Irving forced his way out of Cleveland and now in

(01:04:56):
a situation that seems very prime for a good future,
or is unhappy and is signaling dissatisfaction. And they're just
getting a lot of messaging from NBA players of I'm
not happy, this isn't good for my brand. I want out.
And while maybe the NBA players always were mercenarios, maybe
they never really cared about these cities or these teams.
The fans need to believe in Malia a little bit,

(01:05:19):
and the current way that the messaging is going destroys
that line. It's a great stuff. Ethan Strouss joining us
on the Doug Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. What
do you make of the Lakers? I thought, I thought
before the injuries, they were pretty good. I mean, top
seven in all the defensive metrics, and they just needed
a couple of shot makers. But then Lebron gets hurt

(01:05:42):
the game. I know you were watching as the rest
of the world was on Christmas Day. They win in
spite of it. Kuzma had has had a back issue,
He's missed a couple of games. Rondo is hurt now
a Lonzo is hurt, and and then they've just had
uneven performances like the absolute dud yesterday. Where are we,
you know, in February here Lebron year one with the Lakers.

(01:06:04):
It's scuffles, Bill, it's and it has changed. I like
that you talked about how good they looked earlier. You know,
you wouldn't be so crazy saying at one point that
they might they might threaten to be the second best
team in the West, and that it's all fallen apart.
And look, I don't know how to really measure the
failure of this trade. Um, what's going on in the

(01:06:25):
locker room and how guys feel and how they're going
to play. But you just have to assume that it
can't be good to have nearly the entire team shopped
and then and then have that thward it. So I
don't know what my take on them is other than
what a mess currently. It's just it's just such a mess.
It seems like they played it wrong, that they didn't
understand their leverage and or the lack thereof, and they

(01:06:48):
went full speed ahead. And hey, you know, credit them
for boldness, but sometimes when you take bold risks, there
are some there's some consequences. Now now they've told me
that like it ain't even their package is even close
to what was being portrayed in the media. And of
course they've gone on and said, hey, this is all
coming from the Pelicans. Why couldn't they do a better

(01:07:08):
job of controlling the messaging? Why why did the Pelicans
kind of control that that whole messaging thing. Ah, that's
a great question. I think the Pelicans might have had
a little more sympathy because of the situation they were in.
Maybe they had some some better connections with media, But
it doesn't make sense. You would think you'd have the
bully pulpit out there in Los Angeles, and you're connected
to a lot of media, and then theory you could

(01:07:30):
really control your messaging and promote your view of things.
But it seems as though currently it's only Lakers fans
who feel like the wrong party or feel like they
were the wrong team in this whole endeavor. Everybody else,
everybody else sees it the other way and just sees
effectively the Lakers trying to a bully a smaller market
team and force them into a deal that wasn't beneficial.

(01:07:51):
That does seem to be the overriding a view of
how this whole thing happens. It's fair enough, Dougalla Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. And then quietly it seems
like everyone has forgotten that Kawhi Leonard is going to
be a free agent um uh, and that look, they're good,
but they're not as good as the Bucks. There's this
assumption in Los Angeles that he's going to be a Clipper.

(01:08:12):
Is that the assumption that people in the NBA make.
I think that's what most people think, and we should
be clear that a lot can change between now and
now in July, but he did buy a home in
northern San Diego County, so not deep in San Diego,
closer to where you would actually make it, you know,
a journey up there in Rancho Santa Fe, which incidentally
is also where Steve Kerr lives. I mean, must be

(01:08:33):
a nice neighborhood. It's also where Bill Gates lives. Uh.
And Philip Rivers who makes his commute to the l
A Chargers from from Rancho Santa Fe, so decent digs
over there. But buying a house for thirteen point three
million dollars in southern California, sure, you know, maybe these
guys like to live in Southern California in the off season.
So you can't read too much into it, but that
would seem to be an indicator, uh, in the favor

(01:08:56):
of the Clippers. So I do think that is the
That is the assumption. But man, that move they just
made is an interesting move. And what is he really
going to leave if the Raptors make a run to
the finals or win the championship. We don't know, but
it's going to add a whole lot of intrigue this postseason. Yeah. Um,
we haven't talked about Janice or about James Harden. Uh,

(01:09:20):
Janice seems to play the other end better. Janice's numbers
are ridiculous, but Harden has been on this, you know,
consecutive scoring streak that that is ridiculous. On the other hand,
he really is dominating the ball. Whether they have Chris
Paul or don't have Chris Paul. Who do people inside
the NBA think has had the best season thus far?
I think Harden, And maybe that's incumbency. Maybe that's incumbency,

(01:09:42):
But it is interesting if you want to draw a parallel.
Janice is in a way the opposite of Staff, but
he's also a little bit analogous to steph uh in
the first title season in terms of the team, where
you have a team who they're not totally out of nowhere,
but they got rid of the coach who might not
have been the best coach, and now they're super charged
with this aesthetically pleasing offense and they're just killing these

(01:10:05):
other teams in the regular season. Yet nobody believes in them,
and they have this very likable superstar who nobody has
anything bad to say about, who's powering the whole thing.
So it's funny. There's just so many parallels between the
Milwaukee Bucks, and forgive me for making it to the
local situation that I'm privy to. So I've got to
I've got a real eye on them because it seems

(01:10:26):
as though nobody buys them and they can't do anything
to sell people on them in the regular season. Uh
So I just can't wait to see what happens in
the postseason. You're you are, you're writing a book on
the Warriors. That that's part of what you're doing and
hanging around the Warriors all the time. Right, I am
writing a book about the Warriors. It will come out
next year. It will come out, and man, they're giving

(01:10:46):
me a lot of material, a whole lot of material. Hmm.
That's uh, that is that is fascinating. What's what's the
premise of the book? Well, the premises basically that this
is a dynasty that we seen rise up, and it's
just all the more interesting to me to see it
try to be maintained, and for whatever reason, those sorts

(01:11:09):
of figures, those sorts of that sort of maintenance seems
to capture people's attention more so than the rise. The
rise is easy. This stuff is a little bit hard, really,
dealing with the disease of more is hard, and that's
why we focus on Shack and Kobe and what happened.
That's why he breaks in the game. We focus on
why couldn't the Blazers maintain? Maybe the Warriors will maintain,
Maybe they'll figure it out. Maybe we'll keep this thing

(01:11:30):
going in the way it's been going. But that's not
going to be nearly as easy a process as getting
to the top in the first place. So that's what
I'm writing about. Oh, you write about the fall of
Rome or the maintenance of Rome, maintenance of maintenance of
fair fair enough. Will soon we'll see if ROM falls
or if it maintains. Ethan Strouss and the athletic great stuff. Dude,
thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me. All right,

(01:11:51):
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Something happened over the weekend, Stephen the NBA. It's just
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This from the NBA's Mike bass On New Orleans and
Anthony Davis. The Pelicans were advised that the team had
not identified a proper basis for making the determination this time,
and league rules governing competitive integrity therefore will requir that

(01:15:10):
he be permitted to play. This is in regards to
Anthony Davis. So so here's the basics of it, he
went on to say. He went on to say that
the Pelicans and Anthonydavis, the NBA did not tell New
Orleans that it would be fine a hundred thousand dollars
per game if Anthony Davis were held out of the
remainder of the season. So so here's how you know.

(01:15:33):
Here's how you know that the Pelicans made a massive,
massive gaff. They made a dog and pony show at
the Lakers trying to engage in legitimate contract discussions. And
now they have a guy who wants to be traded
and they want to protect their asset and they want
to they want a tank. So they don't want to

(01:15:55):
play him, and the league is telling him, you gotta
you gotta play him. He just we can't make you
how how much you play him? And so he played
three course, didn't play the fourth quarter. I mean, this
is bad, This is all of this is not good. Look,
the reality of it is is very much this very

(01:16:18):
much this. New Orleans shouldn't have a team. It just shouldn't.
It doesn't mean New Orleans is a bad city. It's
a great city. It's a spectacular city it is, and
their support for the Saints, but how many teams do
they have to lose? The Jazz moved off when the Hornets,
and of course the Hornets had to leave because of Katrina,

(01:16:39):
but they didn't want to come back. They knew there's
just some limitations with that fan base in terms of
what they can do. It's not a basketball crazy city.
It's not. It produces great athletes. It likes it, but
it doesn't love it. It's a hard sale there, a
really hard sale there. And so when when now you

(01:17:02):
got the only reason to go to I mean, I
like Drew Holiday, but you know you've got a star
player and you didn't want to move him. You can't
trade into Boston because one he says he doesn't want
to go into they can't take his contract on their
roster currently. The Nicks never even engaged in trying and
trade for him right now, which they should have, you know,
I mean New Orleans should have before they traded Prezinga's

(01:17:24):
that thing happened really quickly. What a mess? All right?
Every day? This time we played for you a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio. We call
it say, uh, this was earlier today on what was
it on Undisputed? Yeah? I think it was undisputed earlier

(01:17:46):
today on Undisputed. Greg Jennings filled in and he had
this to say about Russell Westbrook's season and his triple
double strip. It's phenomenal what he's doing, and he's not
getting enough credit. And when you look at it you
talk about taking the back seat. That's credit right there.
The fact that he has enough self awareness to take

(01:18:06):
that back seat and focus on how can I make
sure this team is thriving and we're successful as a whole.
What can I do if this? This is what he
can do. It's not put up all the shots. It's okay,
Paul George. I got a guy who can score, who
is getting it done offensively. I can scale back, but
I can pick it up in other areas that we

(01:18:29):
need someone to pick it up in. And I'm that guy.
And that's why I like what Russell Westbrook is doing.
Because everyone wants to talk about how selfish he is
at times, This is unselfish. When you're willing to get
rebounds and assists and get everybody involved, how is that selfish? Yeah,
he was putting up a lot of shots, but now

(01:18:49):
he isn't. I love what Russell Westbrook doing, and I
think we need to focus more on his selflessness and
making sure everybody else is involved. And I'm doing what
I finally should have been doing with k D. Waiting
a little late for that, but he's gonna get done
with Paul George. I love it. Well. I guess necessity

(01:19:12):
is the root of all invention, right, I guess that
that that's that's what we'll go with here, because that's
really what this is. When Russell Russell Westbrook is struggling
mightily to shoot the basketball, he's having a bad year shooting,
and his numbers haven't really changed or having really picked up.
Is he finding Paul George? Sure? I just don't know

(01:19:33):
if we can give Russell Westbrook, who's having an awful
year shooting the basketball and making free throws as well,
and he's still shooting a high volume of shot, suddenly
give him undue credit because Paul George is having a
great year, right, Like he's like isn't that affair? Ron
was how many times are you gonna hit that open
and clothed? My man? I just I'm struggling with that one.

(01:19:58):
I understand what he's saying, which is, hey, had he
been more of a facilitator when Durant was there, maybe
Durant would stay to stay there. I think people get
it misconstrued why Durant left. He didn't leave because of
Russell Westbrook. He left because they had Andre robertson, they
have Steven Adams, and so it was three on five
on offense. That's why I left. Three on five. I

(01:20:21):
didn't have enough shooting, which, by the way, Oklahoma City
still doesn't have enough shooting to win big. And that's
what the Fox said. Valentine. Valentine's Day is Thursday, February
four teen. What gift are you getting for the one
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(01:20:43):
Valentine's Day at Helsburg diamonds. Yea, all right, dare dude,
Ramo is you're good? You're good like I never want
to break Ramo's spirit because he's such a nice guy
want to first the fifth wall, but we were just
talking about like, oh if I could just say something
like and that's what the fox said or something like that,
and then like you stopped and then you said it
and we just started clapping. That was all. It was
wonderful arre uh here we go, Here we go, Here

(01:21:07):
we go, Here we go. Yeah, third time is in
fact a charm. All right? We all good? We we
we were all set. Now we know what we're doing.
Now okay, good, Sorry, we can we can cut all
that up and make it nice and clean and post production,
so don't worry about that. Did you guys hear my? Uh?
I can do it again because it was it was
It was really good. How many it was good? Do

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you guys see the Steve Spurrier with the a F
He had a walkie talkie? Did Ramos did you watch
any a F? I'm afraid I did not watch one game.
I'm I didn't watch one game either. I just saw
the highlights. What exactly were you afraid of? John? You're like,
I'm like Ramos jar fired for not watching a secondary
NFL league that only two not million people in the

(01:21:50):
country watch. You know, uh, music did you watch? I
did not. I just took the weekend. I watched at
a bit of n B A, but I decided that
the NFL season is over. Um as I scrolled through Twitter,
I saw enough highlights and felt like that was all

(01:22:11):
that I needed to invest in the A A F
m hm um, all right, what about you, Steve da Seger?
Did you watch in the A F HI? I did
watch them, Yes, I was here all weekend? What game
did you watch? We saw the San Diego Fleet a
bit for Saturday Night show? We saw the Arizona whoever is?
Last night m the Arizona Whoever's? That was Rick new

(01:22:32):
Heisel's hot shots. I believe that part one or part
du That's that's what I thought with Part one or
part do. Let's just say it didn't farewell opposite the
Grammys last night and the TV ratings. No, and I
don't really get the whole Grammys thing. Just I don't
understand this, like at least your keys, Like I get it.
She's talented, she's a host, but when she performed nine

(01:22:54):
times and and I can't. I can't play a piano
with two hands, let alone play two the annals with
one hand, so, I mean, she's in cray. I don't
know why they have I don't want to hear j
Lo sing covers the covers of of of motown songs.
I don't get that one. But Alas, I just love
that Spurrier had a walkie talkie. I was just I

(01:23:17):
was visualizing my inner like CB radio breacord one nine,
breaking one nine. This year's they had ball coach come back.
You know, let's run a little oop, do you hope
come back breaking one nine, breaker one nine. We're gonna
run the hook and ladder come back right? And how
clown is injured and now now help help welp hel

(01:23:40):
clown is injured. Well help well by and large. I
love it. I love it. Doug Otlip show here on
Fox Sports Trail. I just I love the a F
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to get it done like the new dudes. I'll tell
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of the Russia the drunk Russian guys over the weekend?
Ryan Music? That that? Honestly, I actually I saw that.

(01:24:46):
You tweeted it out and it took me even a
little bit to realize exactly what was happening. But once
you figure it out, it's quite funny. Ramos, have you
seen it? I am not. I'm gonna take a look
at it right now though, all right, Music, you show
him on your phone if you would to say, you're
go ahead you look at it as well. I'm sorry,

(01:25:06):
I've I've actually just taken my my men away from
their jobs for essentially the rest of their lives that
you will not stop watching, like I can't believe it?
All right, go check that out, Ramis, and I'll go
on my rant. Um Uh, Jenny Brentis who's a senior
writer Sports Illustrated in the m m QB said in

(01:25:29):
Kareem Hunt's statement, he says he understands, I have to
earn my baby back to the NFL. Most experts do
not advocate for zero tolerance. But the Browns signing Hunt
just a few months after he was cut and begun
counseling doesn't seem to line up with earning his way back.
So this is what what the Browns have opened themselves

(01:25:52):
up to. Kareem Hunt led the league in rushing as
a rookie last year. He's having a good not great season. Um,
they were nine and two with him, they had to
cut him. There were three and two without him. They
scored four and a half more points a game with him.
They were better with him. I pointed that out that like, look,
a lot of things went wrong for the Chiefs. I

(01:26:14):
mean more so than Stephen A saying Derrick Johnson was
gonna make great plays against the Chargers. Losing Kareem Hunt
was a big loss. They didn't want to cut him,
but the video made it like, yeah, he's gotta go,
but does he have to go forever? We've talked about
this a lot businesses are all the same rabbis in

(01:26:35):
the room. I gotta have somebody who believes in You
gotta have somebody who's done. It's one thing to do
a background check when you don't know somebody, but when
you really know somebody and you really it's a different story.
And John Dorsey is that one guy. I mean, I
would say that Chicago also had a chance because some

(01:26:56):
of their guys came Matt and Naggy came from Kansas
City and they would swear by him. And though they
already have Cohen Um Howard is a is a free agent,
So you know, maybe Chicago was in play there as well. Uh.
Ryan Grigson of course came to Indie from Kansas City.

(01:27:21):
Those are the places you have to have some sort
of connection. But John Dorsey being fired in Kansas City
and landing in Cleveland and getting the Cleveland Brown's job,
and Dorsey being a big proponent of him, of Kareem
Hunt and saying I've done my due diligence, because to
be honest, here's the thing. If you get in trouble

(01:27:44):
the first time, you get fired. If you get in
trouble the second time, we all get fired. That's really
what happens, you know, Like, look, John Dorsey, he's earned
some pause of equity with the rebuilding of the Cleveland
Browns and the drafting of Baker Mayfield. Should be pointed

(01:28:07):
out that he though he didn't hire Hugh Jackson, he
chose to keep Hugh Jackson, and it was his call
to go and hire Todd Haley. That one didn't work.
So now he's gone out and hired a head coach
who was a running backs coach that you know at
the start of the season. Doesn't mean it won't work.
But this is John Dorsey putting his name on it.

(01:28:28):
But even if if if the coaching hire doesn't work,
the coach is gonna go. The coach doesn't ella Baker Mayfield,
the coach is gonna go. But if Kareem Han gets
in trouble, everybody gets fired because you knew and you
said you could manage it, and he said you could
handle it, and he said that he's changed, and now
he's he's getting a second chance. And and for the record,

(01:28:50):
I as a product of second chances, I'll be although
you know something completely different. I understand and respected, and
I don't think that it should be a death center,
not just and that this is not dismissing domestic violence
in anyway. There are different levels of domestic viron violence, right,
however egregious his actions. It seemed like a scene where, uh,

(01:29:14):
there he was the most wrong, but there were other
wrongs taking place the entire night, right, Like it was
just that was it was just dumb. It was bad.
But it's not like he was a serial abuser. I
just think it's there's a difference there between you know,
somebody who's a serial abuser and accused of in multiple
times woman, wife, girlfriend threatened, Like that stuff is scary.

(01:29:37):
That's when you know. It doesn't mean that this guy
didn't deserve to get fired. He did, but he's on
his second which is really his third and final strike.
And if you look at it that way, that that's
a reasonable way. And I understand that there will be
people to say it's not long enough, it's not long enough. Well, one,

(01:30:01):
he's not gonna be starting running back. They already have
a guy. This is a dumpster dive. This is a
minimum signing deal. But there there's also no scale for
how long would be enough, Like does he have to
wait another season or can he simply wait till training
camp when a lot of other guys have signed, or
does he have to wait till in season next year.

(01:30:21):
But in season next year it could be a distraction
because then he comes back, like, look, if he's really
a changed guy, and really this is this is the exception,
not the norm to who he is. You'll never have
a problem him again. And if you do, he's got
to be gone immediately, because otherwise you're all getting fired.
But Dorsey is just about the only guy who can

(01:30:41):
go and make that call and make that play one
because he has positive equity going for him, and two
because he claims to know the kid and swear by him.
He's the the expression goes the rabbi in the room.
You don't have to have thirty two teams love you
or even like you. You just have to have one.

(01:31:03):
And then you have positive equity with one guy who's
in another place. And when push comes to show, everybody
hires somebody that they know everybody, And so Kareem Hunt
is now back with somebody he knows and somebody who
trusts who they believe he is. And that's that's that's

(01:31:26):
that's John Dorsey. So anyway, I'm I'm interested to see
how it plays out. I don't necessarily understand why you're
loading up on running backs for the exception of the
fact that he comes at a bargain basement price, and
he did lead the league in in rushing. But it
seems like extending. It seems like, you know, cashing and

(01:31:49):
positive equity when you don't need to. You know, this
is something that happens after elections. Right after elections, you
try and get something done because you feel like you
have momentum. But if you overextend yourself or you get
off message, that's when you get get yourself in trouble.
And I don't think they got themselves in trouble, but
I do think they offer themselves up to criticism, which

(01:32:11):
is not is not necessary. The other news in the
National Football League is something I told you in December
tenth would be the smart decision, and Kyler Murray took
all the way until February eleven to make it that decision.
Kyler Murray is gonna play in the NFL. And and
this is there's a similar um. This is uh, this

(01:32:39):
is similar here in that I did. This is similar
to Kareem Hunt because look I don't think Kareem Hunt
should have been a life sentence, but I probably wouldn't
have signed him. I don't think I think Kyler Murray
is going to be a first round draft pick, but
I wouldn't draft him. I just wouldn't. Like I know.

(01:33:01):
I was talking with an NFL GM during I got
a guest hosted co hosted The Dan Patrick Show with
Jason Smith, and I was driving home after doing it.
Pop appeared on Colin Cowhert Show and I got a
call from GM and he's like, what do you think
of the Kyler Murray thing? He's asking me. I was like, well,
kind of we we saw this coming. I I told
people for the last two months about the finance of it,

(01:33:22):
finances of it and why it's smart to go baseball.
And he's like, I agree. He's like, I really like him.
I hope he falls to us. I was like in
the first round, and he's like, there's just not a
lot of quarterbacks out there, and he can throw and
he can move. I was like, yeah, but he's little.
He's like, yeah, he's little. Just when you start going like, okay,

(01:33:44):
last year was Baker Mayfield and Baker is substanti he's taller.
He's probably an inch an inch and a half taller
than Kyler Murray, and Baker is a little bit bigger
of a dude than Kyler, although Kyler is not built
as thin as Teddy Bridgewater or Lamar Jackson, but he
has that kind of Lamar Jackson speed. He's a much
better thrower and seems to seems to read a defense better.

(01:34:08):
But he wasn't great at the super Bowl in terms
of the media stuff. He was fine with me, obviously,
wasn't good when Dan put him on the hot seat.
And then just this idea that Okay, now we've gone
away from all of the different prototypes of quarterback. And
I know he can sit there comfortably and move and

(01:34:29):
they had an NFL size offensive line. But the fact
is that you keep telling me a guy can, well
you can really really run. But I don't want quarterbacks running.
You know, if we just used the Tom Brady as
the gauge for a guy who even at this late
stage and he's not as good as he used to be.

(01:34:49):
You know, Tom Brady is six seven and just taller
than him and a second and a half slower than him.
In the forty and doesn't matter because that's not the
sport and that's not the position anyway. I'm it's not
that I'm negative on Kyler Murray. It's just in the

(01:35:11):
history of the National football like, you're counting on one
hand guys that've been able to be successful, and even
Baker this year, for all of success, a lot of
it outside the numbers, because he struggles to see inside
the numbers. And that's a hard way to live, is
throwing outside the numbers and dinking and dumping, dunking and
and finding a way to be Drew Brees where you

(01:35:33):
have great offensive guards that that pushed to make that
pocket big so that you can see hard way, not impossible,
but a hard way to live. Eight seven seven nine
nine Foxes. In fact, the phone number we told you,
Kyla Murray. It's a smart decision, all right, to turn
our attention back to the NBA. NBA veteran Jim Jackson

(01:35:55):
joins the show up coming next. What's going on with
bron the Lakers? Can they put it all together or
are they end up missing the playoffs? And what about
the Celtics? Man, do they need the they need the
All Star break to get there themselves right, Why isn't
anybody happy? And Zion or r J? Who would Jim

(01:36:15):
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Fox Sports Radio. So the a f thing uh has started?

(01:37:21):
Of course next year there's gonna be the new xfl
um so minor league football or you know, second season football,
Spring football coming into reality. And I think it's interesting.
I think it's gonna be interesting to see what it
does to what it does the basketball, what does the
college basketball. I've long been a proponent of college basketball
moving to be a second, second semester sports, so you

(01:37:42):
don't compete with the regular season of college football or
even you know, the championship season of college football starting
during Christmas break. So that right now, you just because
college basketball has been going on for three months three months.
But I will tell you, I'll give you this parallel
college basketball and the NBA. You know, I've been telling

(01:38:06):
people that this idea that New Orleans is going to
have more suitors for Anthony Davis sounds good in theory,
in theory, but in reality, in order for the Knicks
to be a player, they gotta land Kemba Walker, who
can make more money if he stays in Charlotte, or

(01:38:28):
Kyrie Irvick, who has what is he engaged to be
with the Boston Celtics. They gotta land one of those two,
and then maybe you gotta land Kevin Durant, and then
I don't know what the package would look like other
than potentially the number one overall pick. If they can

(01:38:50):
get the number one overall pick. Remember They're not the
only ones tanking, the only ones trying to secure that pick.
They're just one of many. So all those things have
to come together for the Knicks to be a player
for the Celtics. Well, the Celtics have to um, I guess,
not win the East and maybe not be that competitive

(01:39:11):
in the East, which is a possibility. And then they
got to get what Kyrie to stay or Kyrie to go.
We don't know which one Anthony Davis really wants. And
by the way, Anthony Davis probably doesn't want either because
he said he doesn't want to be a Celtic all
his dad said he don't want to be a Celtic,
and that doesn't mean dad speaks for some, but it
doesn't not speak for son. Right, So a bunch of

(01:39:35):
things have to go in their favor, and then of
course they have to come up with the trade proposal
that is better than what the Lakers, whatever the Lakers offered. Meanwhile,
you had the Lakers bidding against themselves and you never
really engaged. Instead, you spent this whole you know, month
or so trying to make fools out of the Lakers,

(01:39:55):
and you've done a really good job of it. Here's
Magic Johnson. Yesterday before the game. We knew that basically
at the end of the day, what happened happened, and
we knew that when we first started. But hey, it
is what it is. I'm gonna say this again with
making this about thinking these guys are babies, because that's

(01:40:16):
what you're treating them about. Their professionals, all of them.
And this is how this league works. They know it,
I know it. That's how it goes. M hmm. Okay.
By the way, Magic Johnson, um, he stuck his foot
completely in his mouth. Did you guys hear the sound

(01:40:38):
of him talking about Ben Simmons. How this thing came
out about him working with Ben Simmons. Okay, I want
you to listen to He was not asked about working
with her talking to Ben Simmons. He was just asked
his impressions of Ben Simmons. And take a listen. He
reached out to me, not not to me directly two
the Lakers to find out if we can get together

(01:40:58):
this summer. I said, hey, you got to clear with
the league and he wants to know how to play
the position as a big guard. It's fine, you know,
I will do that. But if everybody doesn't sign off,
then we can't get together. Huh. Like, he just offered
that up in front of the media, which could have

(01:41:19):
easily been been kept private, and he chose not to Look.
I'm I grew up in Los Angeles. I understand the
magic thing because I saw how he affected his teammates
positively almost every time he was even in the building
alone on the floor. He had the ability, even though

(01:41:42):
he wasn't a great shooter, to make big shots. He
was a remarkable passer. He was magical. But man as
he stepped, does he step all over himself with what
he's saying and how he's saying. Remember he used to
call the NBA finals and it was and he's not
a dummy, he's a bright guy, but it was unintelligible

(01:42:04):
because he would just say the wrong things at the
wrong time. Then he was working for ESPN also covering
the finals more for the studio, and just his analysis
was off. And now he's asked about Ben Simmons, kind
of a lame question about Ben Simmons, and he offers
up that, hey, he wants me to work with him,
but there's nothing going on here, just his agent. Oh,
who's his agent, his agents, Rich Paul who represents Lebron

(01:42:26):
James and Anthony Davis, and oh yeah, by the way,
Ben Simmons, who's dating at Kardashian. Pretty remarkable, Pretty darn
remarkable that he could so butcher his response that he

(01:42:47):
even if they're not tampering, and he says, look, I
wouldn't have if we were tampering, why would I talk
about it? But why would you just offer it up
in the middle of a sentence. That's like your wife
coming up to you and go, hey, how is dinner
last night? See what happened was we were over at
Gina's house and nothing happened. It was all like I

(01:43:09):
talked to her husband and Gina's closed around the whole time.
But we were at Gina's house and it was really fun.
Like I just asked you about dinner and you're telling
me about being in Gena's house. Yes, it's completely above board.
She was completely dressed the whole time. We didn't talk
about anything undersilaceous or anything, and her husband knew. And

(01:43:31):
now you know, so you know there's nothing going on, right,
That's what he sounds like, Hey, what do you think
about Ben Simmons, he reached out to me and wants too. Well,
he didn't, but his agent did, who happens to represent
our best player and the guy were trying to trade for,
and they said, can you learn from you? Nothing's going

(01:43:51):
on here and it's only gonna happen if everybody clears
it to happen. But he you see what what happened
was like, dude, stop talking, Stop talking. This is how
we got in trouble for tampering to begin with. When
he was asked the question by Jimmy Kimball, you don't

(01:44:13):
have to answer. You're on a talk show, you're not
under oath. He and so, look, I want to believe
that that that Magic and the Lakers didn't offer up
the kitchen synt to get Anthony Davis. That's what I'm

(01:44:34):
led to believe. But I'm also the one to believe
that who knows what what Magic said when he was
on the phone. Yeah, we'll give you everything you could
possibly want and all the draft picks. Wait did I
say that? I was just kidding? What? Huh? I just

(01:44:57):
I can't I So you know, you know this, the
smartest guy in the room usually says the least and look,
Magic is the face of the franchise and he's always
been good. But remember when he was a player, he
got a pass for saying things that didn't make sense.

(01:45:19):
When you're a player, you get a pass for saying
things that don't line up completely with your vision. It
doesn't happen when you're the president. Let's get to Steve
to Segon and find out what else is going on
the world Stars Steve what he got? Nine NBA games tonight,
including Oklahoma City hosting Portland's eight pm Eastern time. Russell
Westbrook at the Thunder has had a triple double in

(01:45:41):
nine straight games. That ties the league record. So far,
the Thunder only a game behind Denver for the number
two seed in the Western Conference. The Nuggets have lost
three contests in a row. They'll be hosting Miami at
nine pm Eastern. The Knicks have lost sixteen straight games.
What they get to play at Cleveland seven pm Eastern.
Knicks ten and forty five, Calves eleven and forty five.

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Guard Jeremy Lynn could be signing with the Raptors. He's
reportedly being bought out by Atlanta. Toronto, winners of fourth
straight only a game back in Milwaukee for first in
the Eastern Conference. Toronto host Brooklyn Milwaukee's at Chicago. The
Bucks were fined twenty five thousand dollars for tampering comments
about Anthony Davis. According to ESPN, the NBA All Star
Game is in Charlotte Sunday night. Starters out of the

(01:46:21):
East include Kyrie Irving, but with a strain knee, he's
out tomorrow for the Celtics game. College hoops number four
Virginia at number eight North Carolina at seven pm Eastern time,
Kansas at TCU Jayhawks game and a half behind k
State for first in the Big Twelve Conference. Georgia got
a commitment from a top five recruit, Anthony Edwards, a
six foot five guard and a likely NBA lottery pick.

(01:46:42):
In the Daytona five hundred is Sunday on Fox TV.
Pebble Beach Golf concluded this morning. Phil Mickelson, with a
three stroke victory, played the last couple of holes after
the weather delay yesterday's It's Michelson's fifth win up there,
tournament record tied. Next up l A on the tour,
and there's a chance of reign for the first round
at Los Angeles on Thursday. Oakland A's pitchers and catchers

(01:47:03):
reported to spring training today, the first team to do
so this year. News about Kyler Murray, as we've been saying,
the Heisman winner chose pro football over baseball. You'll have
to return most of last year's first round signing bonus
to the A's, and the brown signed former Chiefs running
back Kareem Hunt to a one year deal. We'll be
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let's welcome to Jimmy Jackson. Of course, longtime starr in
the NBA. Now he's your star. As our Fox uh

(01:47:44):
college Basketball analyst covers the NBA for all things Fox
Sports One and Big Fox as well. Jimmy, I'm gonna
work backwards. I gonna start a college bastob. I'm gonna
see Zion in person tomorrow and I'm doing the radio
call of Louisville Duke. If you were running an NBA
A franchise, r J Beart Zion Williamson, Who do you
pick Zion Williamson? Especially especially for a couple of differents.

(01:48:08):
I think you know, and this is not taking anything
great from r J. Pear. It's a lot of guys
that cannot do what he does at his size um
and I think r J is gonna probably have a
great career. But Zion brings something different immediately, Dougie, what
he gives you is an effect on your marketing and
ticket sale, your excitement, your fan base right away, and

(01:48:31):
no other player coming into the draft that she has
that and that has value. I think where the NBA
is built right now, Zion to be one of those
players that fit nicely transitioning from college to pro because
of his athletic assability, make plays, and he's a great
young man from all accounts that I've heard. But from

(01:48:51):
a business perspective, we're not even talking about basketball, but
the business of of of drafting a player that can
impact the immediate sales ticket buy as an excitement design.
I agree, and I also like the fact that he's
not he's not a high volume guy in terms of
the amount of touches he's getting, like, and that's what
he's gonna as he early on the NBA. I don't

(01:49:13):
know what ultimately becomes, but he's not going to be,
you know, the point guard. He's not going to be
touching the ball every time down the floor. He's not
James Harden right away and so and and he seems
to accept it and be flourishing in a role like
that where you have to compete at both ends and
play off the basketball. I think that helps him immediately
in the league. Do you agree, even though that might

(01:49:34):
not be the traditional alpha mentality of the number one
overall pick. Yeah, No, you're right there. I mean defensively,
he can guard a lot of positions. I mean, you
getting a couple of blocks of games, a couple of
steals for a guy that doesn't demand the board. And
I do think that he'll have to kind of like
I thought, is just um in preseason, okay, and he

(01:49:54):
struggled a little bit and figuring out how to create
space and get by guys. Okay, because you know, the
NBA was a lot more athletic guys were quicker, and
at the beginning of the preseason, you know, Luke could
kind of struggle with that. But I said, once he
figures out how to create space and make quick moves,
he'll be fine. I think it's gonna be the same

(01:50:14):
way with Dan because he's so physically gifted. He's been
able to overpower a lot of people out quick. People
that immediately in the NBA is not gonna be there
in mcgards to him trying to figure it out. But
I don't think he's gonna take long, just because of
what you said, and I think his versatility, it's unselfish nature.

(01:50:35):
You don't have to run a lot of players for him,
but he can figure out ways to be effective on
the court. Jimmy Jackson joined us in the Dug Outlet
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you make
of uh? Quickly pay for you? This is Marcus. We
don't have Marcus Morris. Uh, here's Marcus Morris. After the
Celtics lost a big lead, mar Kyrie sprained his knee.

(01:50:56):
They had a huge lead, they lose that home. This
is Marcus Morris at the game. We don't have no attitude,
We had no toughness, where you having fun. You know
it's gonna be a long season. Um, okay, so he said, like, look,
he went on to say, I never felt like I
can win a championship until now. So some of this
is it comes from a good place. What do you

(01:51:16):
think is wrong with the Celtics. It's ironic because I'm
in Philly now to have the call tomorrow Boston, that
Philly and that wasn't a question at the end of
the year. Last year. I wasn't when we're in the
playoff and they were rolling and you know they lost
a close series, but you saw the guys having fun.
You saw the guys supporting each other. Um. It's ironic

(01:51:41):
that having Kyrie and Gordon Hayward come back into the fold.
A lot has to do with that because God's minutes
are different. They're I think roles are different. Okay, they're
expectations of who they were and what they were gonna
do in regards to how they finished off last year.

(01:52:03):
I think impact the attitude. It's not like these guys
and from all here, it's not like they don't get along,
but I don't know how how unselfish they are as
far as giving something up. D River says something that's
very important. He said, when the Big Three came together,
they had to be unselfish and give up something, okay,

(01:52:23):
and when by giving up something, they grew closer together
because the appreciation of people giving up a part of
themselves to be better, that's something that I think is
missing with the Celtics. Willingness to give up something to
gain a lot more. That way, you'll win, you'll have fun,
and your your I think it'd be a better supporting

(01:52:44):
cast of each other. Jim Jackson joining us in the
Dougallup Show on Fox Sports Radio. How much he comes
down that this isn't what Kyrie does in terms of leading. Yeah, stuff, man,
I mean I think you found it a little bit
more difficult now this year. It was different. He was
in Cleveland, he was young. He really didn't have to lead,

(01:53:05):
so to speak. You just go out and play. The
expectation level wasn't there. But now that you won. You
played with Lebron, he said, you wanted to be the
point guard and play that role and be a leader,
and now you're in a situation where you have to
step out there and what you say gets magnified. A
lot more. You can't hide behind someone else, and that's

(01:53:27):
not you've been around. It's not an easy thing. Everybody
says they want to be a superstar, right, Everybody says
they want to be a leader, until you're in that
role every day, when you got to answer the questions,
when you don't feel good, when you know you might
be injured, and you have to play in and all
these things come along with being the number one option

(01:53:49):
and the leader, and sometimes it's a little bit more
than what guy's expecting to think. Kyrie is feeling that
a little bit. Jim Jackson joining us in the Doug
Outland show Fox Sports. You mentioned being in Philly. Uh,
kind of a no show from Lebron, Like he wasn't
completely out to lunch, but he didn't have the pepp
and hisst step I would have expected after two days off. Um,

(01:54:11):
the Laker teams in a weird spot. You know, they
still one in Boston after a no show in Indy
and then they can't stop Philly at all. And part
of it is Philly is really good. What do you
think of this Lakers team as of today? Still trying
to figure things out, get through that trade scenario. You
know um I said this before. I thought healthy, with

(01:54:32):
the right attitude, that could be a four or five
seed in the West. And we saw that early on, okay,
because I didn't really trust Minnesota or Portland's or you
talked in regards to where they were at. Okay, I
just thought that with Lebron, they could be there. Now,
you know, you don't want to be in the same
spot right now. You don't want to be in that

(01:54:53):
eighth spot because the first one is against Pursuits, against
Golden State. You just don't want to be so you
they I think you're gonna have the six games that
after the All Star Break, probably have to get to
forty six win, Okay, but you want to inch up
a little bit more. I love Kuzma, I love Heart.
I think Ingram is still trying to figure some things

(01:55:14):
out with Montoe gets back. But it's one of those
teams that I think, Doug, you can see some talent,
you can see some some grit, but they just don't.
I mean, when Lebron got hurt, I think the momentum shifted. Okay,
guys got used to playing different roles. It's gonna be
very interesting. The second part of this to see if
they can rebound and get themselves in a position where

(01:55:36):
they're back maybe six five somewhere in there, to see
if they can get themselves in a good position in
the playoffs. I love Philly. Oh my god, think about
what Elton brand has done. You've got an unselfish player.
I think you don't want Tapia's Harris deal that goes
deeper because it plays two roles. You've got an unselfish player.

(01:55:57):
Was playing like an All Star with the Clippers, so
still have something to prove. And I think by being
in a more competitive situation, you see a better player.
But also he's a great insurance policy if in fact,
Jimmy Butler doesn't sign back. I think the additions of
Mike Scott Jonathan Simmons do help, especially from their bench.

(01:56:18):
So that was one of the big things that Philly
really pushed for, was how do we get better once
our starters get to get some rest. I mean, can
you put a better starting five up? You say, okay,
besides the Golden State, did you say, man, these guys
they can't compete. They can't they don't have a legitimate
chance to win something big. No, I think they're I

(01:56:42):
think they're tremendous. I'm fascinated by the East because now
it feels like the East has four legit really good teams. Boston, well,
I still think Boston's right there. Uh if Kyrie's okay,
you know, Boston, Milwaukee, Philly and in Toronto, right and
then there's you know, there's a there's a couple other
kind of hangers on and there's somebody else I'm forgetting
in there. Uh. I think what Indiana's playing great even

(01:57:03):
without over right now, they're not gonna win it, but
that's a team that in the first round matchup, if
you're a higher seed, you don't want to see because
they're gonna give you everything you don't want, which is
they may be able to stretch out a theory, you
know what I mean. In the East time, if you
had to pick Milwaukee Toronto, I think Milwaukee's I think

(01:57:32):
Milwaukee's I think Milwaukee's better, but Toronto has at least
been there, and you know, and then Toronto has the
one guy on earth who I feel like can match
up with Jannice and maybe and I don't know if
you can score with your honest although he's a better
shooting than your honest, like that's where Khil and then
they have Marcus all now, which I think I think
it's an upgrade over Jonas down Tunas. Yeah, you know,

(01:57:53):
you know what some acronic two. I looked at this, Okay,
And I know Kyle Laurie has been judged a lot
differently because the last four years, I think regular season
he was about seventeen eighteen points and it's his playoff
numbers actually didn't drop as much as people make it
out to be, like he hasn't performed because he's had

(01:58:14):
some rough outings, but an overall statistical it hasn't dropped up.
But what happens is that's why I'm so dependent on
I think what he does, he hasn't elevated his game
like the superstar you want in the playoffs, you know
what I mean, he's so critical. I think if they
really want to get over the hump, yeah, Marcus Gray

(01:58:35):
and Kauai can do his thing, But if Kyle Laurie
doesn't take his game, I think to another level or
you know what I mean. I think that to me
with Toronto is could separate them from a Milwaukee from
a Philly. I tend to agree with you, no question,
But Kyle Lowry hasn't done it in the playoffs, and

(01:58:56):
we'll we'll see if he's able to remember they thought
about moving on from Kyle Lowry. That was actually discussed.
Going going back to last week, Uh, Jimmy, what you
got next? What's the next Fox TV game? I got?
I go back to which is should be a good one?
Hope which team shows up is Saturday afternoon? Uh, Maryland
at Michigan. I just had the Wisconsin Michigan game and

(01:59:18):
Charles Matthews just saved the day in the second half
of Let's see what which Maryland team you know shows
up on the road? It gets a tough felin the
team at home. I'll be good. I'll be in studio.
You'll be um covering the game. Thanks so much for
joining U. Jimmy. I'll say my line, you gotta not
be interested to see your thoughts. Man, what's your season
in person? Tomorrow? I will, I'll textually, I'll textually. We'll

(01:59:39):
talk in on radio, maybe on the pod. Thanks so much,
j J. Jimmy Jackson joining us on the Doug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Man, we still got
a lot to get to we got the press. I've
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I'm liking them, liking them, liking them. Um okay, coming
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(02:00:05):
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We call it the press. The press. Steven, second, what

(02:01:15):
do you got, my friend? We'll get to the football
stuff in a moment. But you've been talking about how
there was the radio interview with the seventy Sixers GM
this morning, that whole Ben Simmons is gonna talk Magic
thing that ain't gonna happen. Well, the Lakers have now
issued a statement to clarify quote. Last November, the seventies
Sixers send an email to the Lakers asking if Ben
Simmons could talk to Magic about his career. After getting

(02:01:37):
the email request, r GM contacted the Sixers GM and
told him Magic could only do so if the Sixers
gave their written a pre approval and that was the
end of the matter. That's the Lakers interesting, right, So
actually I still don't understand why Magic offered it up.
But and in fairness, tell and Rand he wasn't privy

(02:01:58):
to it, so he wasn't around. There's a different GM
at different time. But save those emails, kids, or whatever
you do. Don't empty the trash and those emails to
the NFL stuff Now, and you talked about the Saint
losing the NFC title game. Deep disappointment was expressed by
the Louisiana governor to the NFL commissioner that officiating helped

(02:02:19):
decide the game the refly. The reply from Roger Goodell
now via the Advocate, says, our rules do not permit
the commissioner to overturn the result of a game because
of an officiating error, and I believe it would be
wrong for me to do so. Nor have the club
supported an expansion of replay to review decisions by game
officials to call or not call a penalty on the field. Yeah.

(02:02:42):
I mean again, it's usurping the authority of people who
that are actually in charge. Nobody wants to do that.
Nobody wants a bossa does that? Just the reality of
it is silly. It's time to move on, kids. It's
a bit a month the Patriots won the Super Bowl.
Will they be having the opening game the kickoff game
to the next NFL season? Maybe not. Sports Business Daily
says the NFL is leaning toward having Bears hosting Green

(02:03:05):
Bay for next season's kickoff open Earth Thursday night, September five.
Why the league is celebrating it's one hundred season, and
the Bears and Packers first played back in one. They
played each other nearly two hundred times, So the Patriots
opener would be maybe the first Sunday night in September,
first Sunday night in September, they have the first Sunday

(02:03:26):
night game, but not the or not Thursday. I mean,
maybe America is tired of seeing them enough, but they
haven't done it all the time. Anyway, I actually like this,
you know, create those dream matchups two hundred the year.
It feels like Bears Packers makes a lot more sense.
Julian Edelman says, quote the Patriots great people differently honestly
told Peter King. They don't want distractions. They want guys

(02:03:48):
that are versatile. They want mentally tough football players. And
so a five ten receiver who as a quarterback in
college got passed on until Belichick uses a seventh rounder
to get Julian Edelman the heir to West Welker on
their roster. Who's there to Troy Brown? Who's the you
know what I mean? Like they just find actually Julian
Elmo was the was the air to Danny Amondola, who

(02:04:10):
was the heir to Dress Welker, who's the heir to
Troy Brown. Welker I think was the best of all
of them. Brown obviously the most versatile because he played
defense as well. But he's right. And the other thing.
They're great at his wire, the waiver wire. They're better
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