November 6, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan and Kerry in for Doug as they discuss the curious story involving Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals this week. Dan and Kerry welcome FSR NFL Insider Adam Caplan onto the show to talk about the Jets, Colts and all of the headlines coming out of NFL trade deadline. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes the guys through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's Thursday.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
There's football tonight, Week ten of the National Football League season,
starting the second half. Welcome in a lot to get to,
including Carry Rhodes taking victory laps around this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Table here, Yes, victory laps.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
As the Kyler Murray era is taking quite the turn
in Arizona. It's been the talk of the NFL. H
Very rarely do you get the Arizona Cardinals leading shows.
Very rarely do you get the Arizona Cardinals being the
talk of the town. That is what's happening is Kyler
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Murray's on injured reserve, Jacoby Brissett is now the star,
and Carrie Rhodes was apparently.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Right all along. Yeah, Kyler Murray was. He's just not
the guy. He's not a guy that's gonna be a
leader for you. He's not going to be a guy
that's going to galvanize the troops for you. So if
he's not playing at a level that you cannot sit
him where we saw in a couple of years ago
right where he played really well. He was a pro bowler,
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and you kind of look past some of the deficiencies
or some of the things that he wasn't really good at.
But when all those things come to fruition and your
play is not elevating the team alongside with the leadership
stuff and the stuff that we know and I've seen
just from Afar not even being a part of the
organization or being there every day, you could tell he's
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not a guy that galvanizes the guys. He's not a
guy that's gonna go do the extra work and sit
down with the Marvin Harris and the guy that you
want to be your leading number one receiver. He's not
going to do the extra things to make sure he
elevates that guy. He's only worried about himself, it seems like.
And so when that happens, and then you hit a
snag where you injured now and somebody steps in that
position and actually executes the offense the way it's supposed
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to look. And also was making Marvin Harrison look like
a number one receiver, then you know there's an issue.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So I want to backtrack because Karry and I do
the show on Sunday afternoons end Zone Radio five Eastern,
two Pacific, and it's not meant to disrespect Kyler Murray.
Just have never been a fan. And you kind of
laid out some of the reasons why I think people
dismissed Kyler Murray or didn't believe in Kyler Murray solely
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because of his height or lack thereof. But that was
never the issue with you at all.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
No, you say, like we saw that two years well
maybe two three, ill no longer it's been now, but
two or three years ago when he was a pro bowler,
we weren't talking about that then. I mean, obviously everybody
comes into the league with some sort of deficiency, and
for him, obviously it was glaring that he was a
smaller guy, right, and so it would always fall back
on that if he wasn't playing well. And then you
saw I get the leaks and you started hearing things
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about they have to put a study clause in his contract,
which is ridiculous, and a no game and like things
that your quarterback, your leaders should never have to be addressed.
And so when those things started coming out, that for
me is a bigger thing because again, all of us
have deficiencies. I was a guy that was not super
physical when I first came out, so I had to
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work on that, right, Like, there are certain things about
going into a league and having no ego, having a
healthy ego, and say I'm really good at this, but
I'm not good at this yet, and so how do
you get better at that? And we've seen it, we've
seen where they put the clause in this contract to
now and we're still having the same conversation. So if
that's the case, then he's just not the guy.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
This is the point where I think you were pointing
out where Kyler Murray had success was in the twenty
twenty one season.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's for you.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It's been a while, it's been a while. They made
it to a wild card game. They started out the
season pretty well, pretty strong. I think they were seven
and at one point that season and ended up making
the playoffs. And it was immediately after that that Kyler
Murray then wanted his new contract because that would have
he was drafted in twenty nineteen, would have been his
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thirty years, so that was the first year he was
eligible to get a contract extension. I remember it vividly
of being at the Super Bowl in Los Angeles Radio
Row that week and the topic of conversation being Kyler
Murray has scrubbed the Arizona Cardinals from his social media.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You know what took me by surprise in that scenario
was that we were at the Super Bowl for a
team that just three weeks prior, we're playing in a
playoff game, So it hadn't even been three weeks old,
and he had already started this contract negotiation with the team.
That's what was was surprising to me was as soon
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as he became eligible. I don't even know if he
technically was still eligible or would have been eligible. So
this season actually ended, but we knew that offseason he
could get an extension, but he didn't even waste any
time for the Super Bowl to be played to already
you know, show his displeasure, and people had a bad
taste in their mouth with Miles Garrett doing what he
did last year with the Browns and saying hey, I
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want out, and talking with teams and going to Super
Bowl week and speaking to the media and people throwing
out teams, all, yeah, I'd love to play in Washington,
that'd be a great place like that didn't That didn't
sit well with a lot of people. So it didn't
sit well with me when Kyler Murray took the first
second there, like he's he's outside best Buy on Thanksgiving
night at eight o'clock, you know, ready for the Black
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Friday deals to open. He's the first in line to
go and do it. That's what set me off. That said, huh,
not that he wasn't gonna get a new contract, but
there was there was no reason to be so dramatic
in that step. And so that that's for me what
what turned with Kyler Murray. And then it just feels
like things have really plateaued, and if they haven't plateaued,
they've gone down, because they sure haven't gone up. That's
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always been my issue with Kyler Kyler Murray as of late.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I mean at that time, Dan, people were there were
people in the media and people around the league saying
I might take Kylu murv of Lamar Jackson. Remember those conversations, Yeah, ridiculous,
But the fact that that was a conversation at that time,
it just shows me that there's a lot of people
out there that aren't real in depth with their ball
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knowing now people have great seasons all the time, and
it's always about when you have that great season and
you have that new contract, who are you? Because once
you get that new contract, we're gonna know who you are.
Like the guys that are really great and really care
about their craft, that's not the end of it, Like
that's just part of a milestone. That's a stepping stone
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to you know, a better life and all those things.
But I want to be considered one of the best
to do it. And so when you get to the
point of having those expectations put on you, that's when
you really find out who people are. And with Kylin Murray,
we've seen that you said it, he was very eager
to get that deal done. But we also when I
saw that, I had no doubt about where he was
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going after that. It wasn't he was going to the
next level. I was like, he's done, sure, because he's
also had baseball asparations, right, He's had other things that
he's looked at and was supposed to be really good
at as well. So I never really believed in what
he could be long term with the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
What do you believe in the comments that were said
this week, because this is now where the Kyler Murray
saga has taken an interesting turn, where Jonathan Gannon had
this to say earlier about Kyler Murray about his injury
and what the future, the immediate future holds for the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Today, Kyler is going to go on IR. Feel like
that's the best thing for him and for us. He's
not fully healthy ready to go yet, so that makes
the most sense. Obviously that's a change, but we just felt,
you know, looking at it right now, that's the best
thing for him and us.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Like I just said, that was Jonathan Gannon yesterday talking
about to move to place Kyler Murray on IR. There's
more to this. There's a bigger thought. Why would Kyler Murray.
Why would Kyler Murray be placed on injured reserve and
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need four more weeks to heal carry rhades When it
was just days prior to their game against the Cowboys
that there were reports coming out that Kyler Murray could
see action against Dallas on Monday night?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Why are we getting this mixed message from Arizona that
just days later when Kyler Murray was about to return
from his foot injury. Now, not only is he not
going to play in week ten, he's not going to
play for the next four weeks. Yeah, something doesn't add up.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yes, the internal conversations inside that locker room, inside that
war room is a little bit different than what they're
giving out right. I could see a scenario where the
offensive coordneta really likes the way that Jacoby Brissett runs
his offense.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Because if you're in the hot seat as a head coach.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
As a GM, as an offensive coordinator, whatever it is,
your job's on the line in the interim right now,
Jacobe Brissette gives him the best opportunity to win. He's
gonna get everybody the ball, He's going to be on time,
on target, and the offense looks like the way that
the offensive coordinator wants it to look. And you have
Jonathan Gannon, Jonathan Gannon as a head coach going out
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and doing this making his comments. There was a disconnect
there between the owner head coach GM because he's talking
out of turn.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And then you have to come back and you got
to fix that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
You gotta do a little damage control, And I think
all these things say what I think about Arizona right now.
In general, they are disfunctional. And that's where I'll leave it.
And I'll leave it for you, Dan. That's the rest.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's okay. I got another question. You got? What you got?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Were the drops by Marvin Irrison Junior earlier this season?
Really the fall Marvin Harrison Junior. Now that we know
what we know, can we really blame the wide receiver
for dropping a football against the forty nine ers having
an awful interception against the Green Bay Packers? Can we
for dropping a pass? Can we really blame Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Junior for this?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
We can? We're not gonna We're not. We're not just
dumping on Kyler here.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No, Marvin Harrison was definitely not doing high and well
in certain points as well in this season.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So the drops by Marvin Harrison weren't because of the
relationship with Kyler Murray. They were a Marvin Harrison issue.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Marvin Harrison definitely started out thinking way too much and
you could tell by the way he was running his
routes there was no decisiveness. But also the decisiveness comes
in part with the tandem of the quarterback and receiver.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
There is carry over there. So you're saying it's because
of Kyler Murray in part little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, what you got what's going on here, Daniel? What's
going on?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I just am saying, you got this finger, like, why
does Marvin Harrison set a career high with three first
quarter targets?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I know if I would have told you on Sunday
during our show that Marvin Harrison's career high for receptions
of the game was six, you wouldn't have believed me.
I would not have, but I would have. You wouldn't
have believed me. This is I think it's partially due
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to Kyler Murray. It is I agree with you. I
agree with and I think that Marvin Harrison Junior is
looking at Kyler Murray as the quarterback that is paid.
That is the amusing the air quotes. The leader of
the team put so much pressure on himself that he
ended up making those mistakes. I get it, you're paid
to catch the football. But that receiver that we saw
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putting dron Bland in a blender on Monday, that's him,
was not the one that we saw in San Francisco.
Earlier on in this season.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
They were not on the same page at all. And
you know why.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Dan Kyler Murray is a guy that likes to play
off platform. Right, he can't see, so when he's in
the pocket, he misses windows. He throws the balls late,
he throws the ball where Marvin Harrison probably wouldn't be
expecting the ball to be thrown.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
All those things really matter. Right, So if I'm running
ten yards and I'm running an in breaking route across
the middle, and I'm expecting to be thrown in that
first window and you throw it in the second window,
that is a difference. So one hundred percent part of
the drops work Kyler. But as a receiver, if the
ball touches your hands, you gotta touch it. So there's
there's fault to be on both of them.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Okay, why then, why then? Why then? Why then? Why then?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Why then did they place him on injured reserve and
not just bench Kyler Murray? Because if you kept him
on injury reserve for the rest of the season, you
can say, hey, injury wise, but there's probably injury guarantees
in the contract. Why not just bench Kyler Murray in
favor of Jacoby Brissette, if Kyler Murray was so close
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to playing on Monday Night.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
They are trying to save face as an organization.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
They're trying to appease to some of the people that
may like.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Kyler Murray on that team, right, And so there's a
level of, like I said, they've been doing a little
backpedaling to control the situation because you just said it.
If Kyler Murray feels like the victim, something else is
gonna come from this as well. He's not gonna be
one to hold his tongue and that will cause confusion
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dissension among the team.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So does that answer for you? Dan? What you got?
This is what This is what I think happens. This
is what I think happens.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They're gonna give Jacoby prison four weeks where he's the man.
He hasn't been the man the last couple of weeks.
Even though he's been the starting quarterback, he's been the replacement.
Jacoby Brissett for his solid of a career that he
has had has not been able to handle or has
not been able to hold onto a job as a
starting quarterback in the NFL. This absolves them from pushing
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Kyler Murray back and putting him in a bad situation
where the fans are calling for Jacoby Brissett. They're almost
in a way allowing Jacoby Brissett the opportunity to fail.
So when he if he doesn't come through, then guess what.
Kyler's fully healthy. Kyler has a new code of paint
on him. He's looked at as a different quarterback. If
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Jacoby Brissett leads this team to four straight victories and
now they're in the playoff hunt, who cares about what
Kyler Murray feels. I think that that's why Arizona did
what they did. I think that is I think that
is why Arizona did what they did. It is to
put Jacoby in the spotlight, a spot, a place where
he hasn't thrived. But if he does, it's a win
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for Arizona. If he doesn't, guess who can come into
the rescue or doesn't look as bad anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Great point, And I'm also gonna say this, when you
put Jacoby Brissett in that position as the lead dog,
there are quarterbacks and players in the league that are
really good relief pitchers, right, yes, But when you have
to be a starting pitcher or starting quarterback is starting
whatever it is. The ability to go through that game
knowing that everybody is looking at you to actually be
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the savior, the guy that's going to lead us to
where we need to go to the Promised Land. That's
a different energy, but in the same breath, we know this,
and you know this for sure because you're high on
you were high on Arizona. Yes, and what they could do.
Think about the games they lost with Kyler Murray at quarterback.
They could have won all three of those four of
those games that they lost. And so they're right there
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if they operate at a level that it needs to
be operated. And I think I really do believe that
Gannon and their GM they're in this together and they
need to win now. So as far as putting Kobe
Bissett in the position to fail or to succeed, I
agree with it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But they're banking on him to succeed.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The Arizona Cardinals, you could make an argument, as crazy
as it sounds, could be undefeated.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yes, that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, the three and five they gave up, the comeback
to the Titans never should have happened. Amario de Marcado,
the Colts. Jason Stewart, and I remember the Colts game.
They're driving down the field a goal to gold situation,
down by four, they don't score. An awful decision by
Jonathan Gannon to go for it against the Green Bay
Packers that sets them up for their score.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
They lost against the forty nine Ers sixteen to fifteen
in a game where they had a lead late on
the safety and couldn't end up converting on it like
this is. They came back against the Seahawks and the
Seahawks won on the last second field goal.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Win.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Like there are all these situations that Arizona could be
really really good. Half at least the Colts and Packers
game against two really good teams, arguably the best teams
in the National Football League, and Kobe Brissett had them
within a score and an opportunity to win. Yeah, Jason Stewart,
do you remember that Colts game in what was happening
against the Cardinals?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I do, because a lot of us had the Colts
and our survivor a real close attention to those final seconds.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We were texting back and form I, he's gonna take
them down the field, they're going to score.
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Speaker 2 (18:14):
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Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, Adam Kaplan, you may want to stick around just
to hang out and hear that segment coming up.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I want to Yes, we've been We've keeped your interests.
Oh my goodness, you guys as far as you know.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yes, all right, So we found out a report today
that the chiefs had offered the Jets a fourth round
pick for Breese Hall, and after trading Quinnin Williams and
Sauce Gardner, the Jets said, yeah, thanks, but no thanks,
so they keep breese Hall. How does that go down
with the Jets and Darren Moogie making the decision to
keep the what feels like a disgruntled running back right now?
Speaker 11 (18:52):
Yeah, that was fun, I think one of the local
outlets in New York. But yeah, what happened. My understanding
was that if Breesol walks, right which is almost certain happened,
they have no interest in extending his contract. So if
he walks, unless they change their mind of course by March.
But if he walks, they feel that he could sign
a monster deal.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
He could.
Speaker 11 (19:13):
He's still be one of the best for agent running
backs out there, if not the best, and they could
possibly for twenty twenty seven get a third round compensatory pick.
That's what something that Bengals. The Bengals have done, by
the way, it's not a secret in league circles. They
they've let a number of free agents go over the
years and they like to build their compensatory pick group.
The Ravens have done it. It's another way to build
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up your roster. So that's that's that's my understanding of
what they're thinking was I look, if you and I
were running, I would have said I would have said,
Dan Luck, we're not gonna keep He's not gonna be back.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
So let's let's take a third. Now.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
The problem is now the Chiefs, depending on which sports
book you look at, are though they're five and four,
they're still plus five. There's still the number one team
to win the Super Bowl. I find it ridiculous. But
that's tells you how open the leaguas this year.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
But I think that's what lends into the Colts making
the deal. Sure for Sal's Gardner, right do you? I
thought they overspent for him.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
But oh but you're not kidding.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Okay, Okay, we're on the same page. But tell me
what were the what were there thinking there?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Adam?
Speaker 11 (20:15):
All right, So first of all, I want to say this,
and I have a lot of respect for Chris Ballad.
I know Chris a little bit, but you know his
if his problem has been and he's aware of it,
he's acknowledged it and and sometimes to his detriment, but
he's probably untill this trade. Kerry the most conservative general
manager in the National Football League. Okay, doesn't like to
make trades, want to build for the draft. But the
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problem is when you fail at quarterback and you fail
in the draft. They failed completely with Anthony Richards. They've
already told you that they went to Daniel Jones, that
that's over with. When you do that, then you better start,
you better get it, do it better in other ways. Well,
he hasn't mastered the draft. He's been an okay drafter. Yeah,
he's felled. Listen when Andrew Luck surprisingly retired, I get
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that that's tough to overcome. Everything he's done at quarterback
has failed. So he tried with Daniel Jones as a backup.
He signed up for high backup money and it turned
out look other than last week. He was terrible, but
he was He's been really good up to last week.
But here's the problem, So Kerry, he makes his trade
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now the word I put this out on sports Cord
last week.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
They were looking at corner.
Speaker 11 (21:21):
I don't know, no one knew it was gonna be
Saust Guarter because he wasn't really available. But the GM
of the Jets, Darren Moujie, admitted that the offer kept
growing and it became to the point where like, we
have to do this. The cornerback position is that the
Lake deal Brand told me on his value board it
was the fourth most important position quarterback, left offensive tackle,
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right defensive end, because you're going to get to the
left tackle, then cornerback. So how do you how do
you turn on two freship picks? Oh, by the way
they threw in Ady Mitchell a second rounder last year,
it's insane. You have to do that. Look, they're going
to be bad anyway. Now, getting back to Ballard in
the Colts, Yeah, this is not the way he does it.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
But here's the thing. No one thought they'd be seven.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
To two with Jimrse passing away and his kids running it.
His daughters were running the team. Chris has done a
lot to come back next year. What if they run
a losing streak, they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
He's out.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
So yeah, that he went for it. I know he overpaid.
I totally agree. Every personal person I spoke to they
just were shocked that Ballard. They just didn't understand it.
Like what they knew that they were bad at corner
That's not up to debate. What is up to debate
is why would you overpay? Couldn't you get two corners
for that? You know what I'm saying this is that's
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what happened.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah, And this is the crazy thing that I think
about it is I'm trying to figure out how do
they look at their window, like what is the window
of expiration? Sometimes it's a quarterback. I thought maybe it's
a Jonathan Taylor situation where they're like, hey, Jonathan Taylor
in the past has battled some injuries, He's having a
great year so far. Let's make sure that we cash
in on when he's at the prime of his career.
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But how does this complicate things now? Or does it
complicate things if you now want to sign Daniel Jones
to a long term extension after just getting the one
year deal. Mike obviously to me, Dan, Sorry, we can
talk to Mike.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Talk to Mike. Dan. Here's the problem.
Speaker 11 (23:16):
They just gave up two first round picks, so they
don't have a first round pick until twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
How do they getting a quarterback? On your question?
Speaker 11 (23:24):
So, the thought around the league is that Ballard is
Mortgage's future in terms of the quarterback position. He's stuck
with Daniel Jones, or he's gonna have to trade one
and what or sign a journeyman free agent. That's what
he just did with Daniel Jones. Really, so he's stuck.
I mean, this is let's talk. You have yes, yeah,
well yes and no theoretically yes, but you also have
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to see what who's out there in free agency and
I understand you're probably looking at guys who were washed
up or look who knew about Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Okay, who knew about Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 11 (23:55):
You never know, though Daniel Jones up to last week
had been has been phenomenal. So yeah, look, it's a
massive overpay. That was a shocker of Monday. Was great
because all these teams wait till the last minute. When
you when you do that, you overpay because you know
you can't do any more trading until March. And if
you're trying to make a run for it, and as
I said at the top here as I sent it
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back to you, Dan, this is the one year to
go for it because it's so wide open.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Anyone will win it if you get in.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
That's what I was going to bring up, like that's
that's the reason I mean the way that you come
into the season and right now the way it's materialized,
you got a chance to win it in your mind.
Are they I don't know about that, but they have
a chance. But I want to go. I want to
talk about tonight's tonight's game. I want to talk about
the Bronco. No, just just because of the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Adam, I got you, I got you?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Like this is the in my opinion, they are the
worst seven and two teams.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
And my great defense. I know they're just this is.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Also Carry's way of running on my Super Bowl picknot No.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It isn't Dan. They are legitimately there. I don't see
any Yes, the defense is really good and they got
a lot of makes sense, But what is wrong with
their offense? What's going on with the inconsistencies in bon
NeXT's carry?
Speaker 11 (25:05):
Bow Next is an inconsistent quarterback. He's just up and down.
They're they've Here's the funny thing. They have a ton
of talent. Yes, yes, the running game has been fine,
but they they have games thirteen to eleven. Like the Jets,
they play down a lot to the competition. I give
them credit for Philly for winning. It's hard to win
(25:26):
there was another game where they didn't score a lot
of points. Yep, they do just enough to win there.
I there's a radio show that I do power rankers.
We're actually going to do them today. So I'll tell
you what I have here. I have the Broncos now
and at my top fourteen, which is obviously fourteen teams
to make it carry.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
It's funny you bring this up. I have him at ten. Yeah,
I have him at ten. Yeah, I don't. I just don't.
I don't see it, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You, without Patrick's ten two along. Yeah, a couple more weeks.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
Oh really Yeah, he's got a pectorial strain that those
could be those I don't know if you've ever had
that carry that those things are linger right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, carry And I started the show talking about Kyler
Murray and and you know we've we've talked for years.
Carrie was was never a huge fan.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Well why the many are? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Why the sense of mixed messages though, because we had
thought that Kyler Murray was about to play on Monday Night.
Now he's on an R for four weeks. Well, no,
there were there were, there was there was talk over
the weekend.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Yeah, it was wrong. Here's here's this is this is
my understanding.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
Let me just put it this way. This is my understanding.
He's got a midfoot sprain.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
It it could be he has a moderate midfoot sprain.
Speaker 11 (26:30):
As my understanding, if he pushes too much, he could
he could be out for months. There was a like
you could push it and play him, but he could
also it was too risky and now he focuses on
his future. And by the way, his contract is really
onerous though. Structure uh it Look, they could trade him,
they could want to trade him, but you gotta find
(26:50):
a team that's gonna want him. He's a smaller quarterback
at five ten and those guys actually might not even five,
might be five to nine. This structure is poor. It
has what are called advance guarantees. So if he's on
the roster in March of this year, the next year
cash is fully guaranteed. Like that's the way you get
around fully guarantee the whole contract. The agents do this now,
it's another way to get it done. It's the bad
(27:11):
contract for the Cardinals. I don't know what they're going
to do there. Jonathan Gannon's Dan, You're right. The craziness
of what he said this week. He's a very mercurial guy.
By the way, He's a good, good dude from people
have worked with him, players like him. But he says
some stuff every now and then where you go, wait,
wait a minute, what do you mean by that? He
just yeah, he's set some weird stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I told carry.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Then.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think what it does is it allows Jacoby Brissett
and I'll be the man, which honestly is a role
that he hasn't succeeded in. He's great coming in and
saving the day. Yeah, but when he's been a starter,
it's been added more pressure. Does this Does this allow
them to bring Kyler back at the end so if
they want to part ways at the end of the
season that there isn't an injury situation for that.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Could that be in play here?
Speaker 12 (27:53):
Mmm?
Speaker 11 (27:53):
But the problem is if he plays poorly, he always
have to look at it that way. With the Smidfoot's brain,
it's it's in the list fronkinsy areas.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
I understand it.
Speaker 11 (28:02):
So it's yeah, it's it's not he didn't tear it,
but it's there's enough of a spray in that it's
it's a concern and you can't.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
You can't risk it that you talking to plasures. I
have had it. It's really bad. You know.
Speaker 11 (28:13):
It's an unnatural sprain where the midfoot splits, so it's
you gotta be careful of that thing. So that look
that they they play very hard. They had it's actually
had a pretty good draft. Yeah, the Montioso for it's
done a good job in terminent that the draft, but
they're still not a very good football team. It starts
a quarterback. You guys are absolutely right. Look their top
to running backs are out. Connor won't be back the season.
(28:34):
Marvin Harrison, he's getting better lately. I've always been a disappointment.
It's stunning to me.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
He was super loved by people in the draft. Who
who who I who I trust and hasn't happened. And
defensively they're competitive, but they're just they've been stuck in
neutral three years.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
It's my term for it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I was just gonna say, Kriy and I went over
their schedule and we made an argument they could be unbeaten,
as crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
As crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
They've got a lot of players back from injury. They
got older when you.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Look at how they lost these games.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Yeah, I know they were not a lot though they
do that a lot.
Speaker 11 (29:05):
No, but but but look, okay, so, but if you
look at their scheduler coming up, I mean, honestly, if
you look at the rest of their schedule, Okay, they
got they got one.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
They got to beat the Bengals. You know that Bengals.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
They're not competitive defensively, But Seattle, the Niners, the Jags,
the Bucks, the Rams, the Texans defense the Rams again, Falcons,
who are unachieving by the way, they are really disappointing.
I'm I'm surprised. My friend Rhee Marson doing better. He's
there's something missing with their offense. They should be way.
Their defense is good, their offense is not.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Adam, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a stab at myself
here since I threw since since I threw Dan under
the bus with with this Diner Broncos, My team in
the NFC is underachievement as well. And I don't know
who they are either, and that's the Green Bay Packers,
Like who are they? Yeah, I mean, you know, offensively,
they got weapons they got back now.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
But yeah, what it is is, how do I describe this.
So their defense is good. I mean, they don't have
an elite defense. But for some when Joe Barry got fired,
the thought around the club was that they were too soft,
they were unachieving. They changed their scheme from a thirty four,
which they'd ran for decades, to a forty three under
Jeff Hafley, the former Boston College head coach who had
(30:19):
coached in the league as an assistant for a while.
There there Look, here's the thing. From a front seven
talent level, it's hard to find a team that's more talented,
but they're not real good at corner, like very beatable
corner offensively. Now with a Tucker Craft injury, which is major,
he had an ACL he was having a phenomenal year.
What's interesting about that, one, guys, is that Luke Musgrave
(30:41):
was the starter. They were drafted and they were selecting
the same draft and Musgrave got hurt and he had
an illness and he never got a job back. And
now Craft is out and Musgrave gets his job back,
and then look everyone now and then Jordan Loved done
play well, but he's had a good year. There they're
five too and one I did pick them to win division,
but they're not going to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Matt.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Here's the problem. Matt before has not been a good
playoff head coach. Yeah, he's very conservative as a play caller. Yeah,
big balance guy. But what I did like against Pittsburgh
when Love went twenty for twenty to finish out the game.
When they beat Pittsburgh when they were behind and then
Love went off the fourth quarter, he did say we
stayed with a pass because it was just Jordan was
so good. Why run the ball. That's what Lafleur's got
(31:23):
to do. Curry to answer your question, if you want
to be great, take advantage of the talent. Now, Green
Bay's got a number of injuries at receiver. They've got
three guys are hurt. That's a problem for them as
they host the Eagles, and the Eagles have kind of
owned them in recent years.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
He goes in Monday Night Football will wrap up Week ten.
Week ten starts tonight with the Raiders and Broncos. As
we talked about, so Adam Kaplan will be busy. Adam,
thanks so much. We'll talk to you next time, all right.
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Speaker 10 (32:28):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I thought that was a nice transition. I doesn't know
it was game time, that's all. I was surprised.
Speaker 13 (32:42):
This is how I keep track of my week, carry
with game time. Okay, so I know it's Thursday because
we're playing game.
Speaker 10 (32:51):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 13 (32:53):
That's right. We are all going to draft our favorite
moment of the NFL season so far.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
All right, Okay, and it's gonna be the draft order.
Speaker 13 (33:01):
Were gonna start with you carry.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh my goodness, all right, I was so anxious to
pick a So.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Carrie, Jason, Dan me Sam, and if we have time,
we will snake back. Okay, if we have time, because
you know Sam likes to be long winded. Okay, Carrie,
you go start things off.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Snake all right, the question one more time, monson, what
is your favorite.
Speaker 13 (33:24):
One of the favorite moments of the season so far
in the NFL through the first nine weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Favorite moment of the season so far. Wow, that would
be for me. I'm just gonna have to be a
little bias here. The Jets coming out and getting a
big win right after the passing of my good friend
Nick Mangole.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
That was a beautiful moment, beautiful tribute. The win was
in Cincinnati, Nicks from Ohio, so it was all pretty pretty,
pretty stellar.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The game was balking, it was.
Speaker 13 (33:55):
We're going to Jason Jason's next. I was like, I
wrote this down.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I want to point out the Car's favorite moment was
the moment that I hated most because the Bengals lost
me my survivor exactly exactly. So I'm gonna make it
even more about me. The Chargers. We're trying to charger
a game against the Dolphins in the middle October in Miami.
(34:21):
Justin Herbert feels the pressure, he avoids, he throws defenders
off of him, hits Lad McConkey on the cross and
the and Cameron Dicker ends up winning the game with
a field goal avoiding the chargering, and Justin Herbert won
for the highlight reel.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, it was a great play.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I wanted the Dolphins because of what knock to people.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Lost All right, Dan, you're up, got Manzi.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I like Jason also had an entry lost by the
Bengals or that lost to the jetson But the only
reason it was alive was because the Broncos came back
and scored thirty three points in the fourth quarter against
the New York Giants to get that win in Week seven.
That amazing comeback and all of the drama with it.
So the Broncos thirty three point fourth quarter would be
(35:11):
my and and we.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Were on the air at that time, right was going on.
It's one of those you won't forget.
Speaker 13 (35:16):
It's like, I don't even want to remember it.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'm just not gonna forget it, won't.
Speaker 13 (35:19):
Yeah, I'm not gonna forget this one either, because it
was wild. I think it was Week five Titans and Cardinals.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
Cam Moore throws what is eventually a pick, but then
the Cardinals fumble the interception. Chaos ensues, and I think
it's Tyler Lockett that ends up returning the fumble for
a touchdown and the Titans beat the Cardinals by the
end of it, Like that did say all that?
Speaker 13 (35:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It was nuts? It was nuts, and that de Marcado
right before correct correct.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
I didn't want to point that out. I just thought
this touchdown.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
One man, Sam did. I don't know, maybe I did.
Speaker 12 (35:55):
Why am I taking all these Sam takes for Sam?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I was SAMs it. Geez, come on, family, you have
to here, you can have to all right? Am I
back to back here?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Yes? Here quick?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
All right? So let's go.
Speaker 12 (36:07):
Let's go with It's October fifth, Sunday night football. The
Bills are undefeated, hosting the Patriots, and the Patriots pull
out a win to reassert their dominance in the AFC East,
and afterward, the Bills were saying this to themselves about
the Patriots. They're like, why won't these guys, go away.
(36:28):
We're supposed to be the kings of the AFC East
and the Patriots are right back in the thick of things.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yes, all right, do you have another one?
Speaker 7 (36:36):
I do.
Speaker 12 (36:37):
How about a very entertaining game that ended in a
forty forty tie between Green Bay or Dallas. And usually
ties are like, you know, weird sixteen all and then
you know, but this was a shootout that ended at
a tie, and everyone just was let out their breath
and was like, what the heck was that?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
All right, yeah it was. It was like recess, that's
all one, Okay, stop it right there.
Speaker 13 (36:57):
I got a quick one when Aaron Rodgers got mad
at his teammate for tackling him in celebration after a touchdown.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Never forget ballot.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Hey, when you're forty, when you're forty plus, when you're
forty plus, don't talk me.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
To the I think he was gonna tackle him back. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Don't know if if we want to piggyback here, but
Jason and I go into the Bills game against the
Dolphins on the Thursday night and weekend.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole experience was magnificent.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I remember we locked eyes at one point. Great moment
is after.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Your fourth beer, I think in the third total three.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, boy, he legit, he legit had on beer goggles.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
For Dan, the Bat Blue Light was a La Bat
blue light mineus the biggest lie of a week of
lies Week one, the Raiders going into New England and
beating the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
All Right, you got you got a final one.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
No man, I'm gonna I'm gonna let that thing bro
eighty Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Now a jet dropping the football across the line. Gina
falls in line with the Jets. Dan, So yeah, what about.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
The uh coming back down twenty six?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
That's not a good that's not a good one. I
don't even remember that. He's carrying on. I'm Dan Byer.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's Thursday.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
There's football tonight, Week ten of the National Football League season,
starting the second half. Welcome in a lot to get to,
including Carry Rhodes taking victory laps around this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Table here, Yes, victory laps.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
As the Kyler Murray era is taking quite the turn
in Arizona. It's been the talk of the NFL. H
Very rarely do you get the Arizona Cardinals leading shows.
Very rarely do you get the Arizona Cardinals being the
talk of the town. That is what's happening is Kyler
(00:57):
Murray's on injured reserve, Jacoby Brissett is now the star,
and Carrie Rhodes was apparently.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Right all along. Yeah, Kyler Murray was. He's just not
the guy. He's not a guy that's gonna be a
leader for you. He's not going to be a guy
that's going to galvanize the troops for you. So if
he's not playing at a level that you cannot sit
him where we saw in a couple of years ago
right where he played really well. He was a pro bowler,
(01:23):
and you kind of look past some of the deficiencies
or some of the things that he wasn't really good at.
But when all those things come to fruition and your
play is not elevating the team alongside with the leadership
stuff and the stuff that we know and I've seen
just from Afar not even being a part of the
organization or being there every day, you could tell he's
(01:44):
not a guy that galvanizes the guys. He's not a
guy that's gonna go do the extra work and sit
down with the Marvin Harris and the guy that you
want to be your leading number one receiver. He's not
going to do the extra things to make sure he
elevates that guy. He's only worried about himself, it seems like.
And so when that happens, and then you hit a
snag where you injured now and somebody steps in that
position and actually executes the offense the way it's supposed
(02:06):
to look. And also was making Marvin Harrison look like
a number one receiver, then you know there's an issue.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So I want to backtrack because Karry and I do
the show on Sunday afternoons end Zone Radio five Eastern,
two Pacific, and it's not meant to disrespect Kyler Murray.
Just have never been a fan. And you kind of
laid out some of the reasons why I think people
dismissed Kyler Murray or didn't believe in Kyler Murray solely
(02:33):
because of his height or lack thereof. But that was
never the issue with you at all.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
No, you say, like we saw that two years well
maybe two three, ill no longer it's been now, but
two or three years ago when he was a pro bowler,
we weren't talking about that then. I mean, obviously everybody
comes into the league with some sort of deficiency, and
for him, obviously it was glaring that he was a
smaller guy, right, and so it would always fall back
on that if he wasn't playing well. And then you
saw I get the leaks and you started hearing things
(03:01):
about they have to put a study clause in his contract,
which is ridiculous, and a no game and like things
that your quarterback, your leaders should never have to be addressed.
And so when those things started coming out, that for
me is a bigger thing because again, all of us
have deficiencies. I was a guy that was not super
physical when I first came out, so I had to
(03:21):
work on that, right, Like, there are certain things about
going into a league and having no ego, having a
healthy ego, and say I'm really good at this, but
I'm not good at this yet, and so how do
you get better at that? And we've seen it, we've
seen where they put the clause in this contract to
now and we're still having the same conversation. So if
that's the case, then he's just not the guy.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
This is the point where I think you were pointing
out where Kyler Murray had success was in the twenty
twenty one season.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's for you.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It's been a while, it's been a while. They made
it to a wild card game. They started out the
season pretty well, pretty strong. I think they were seven
and at one point that season and ended up making
the playoffs. And it was immediately after that that Kyler
Murray then wanted his new contract because that would have
he was drafted in twenty nineteen, would have been his
(04:13):
thirty years, so that was the first year he was
eligible to get a contract extension. I remember it vividly
of being at the Super Bowl in Los Angeles Radio
Row that week and the topic of conversation being Kyler
Murray has scrubbed the Arizona Cardinals from his social media.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You know what took me by surprise in that scenario
was that we were at the Super Bowl for a
team that just three weeks prior, we're playing in a
playoff game, So it hadn't even been three weeks old,
and he had already started this contract negotiation with the team.
That's what was was surprising to me was as soon
(04:54):
as he became eligible. I don't even know if he
technically was still eligible or would have been eligible. So
this season actually ended, but we knew that offseason he
could get an extension, but he didn't even waste any
time for the Super Bowl to be played to already
you know, show his displeasure, and people had a bad
taste in their mouth with Miles Garrett doing what he
did last year with the Browns and saying hey, I
(05:15):
want out, and talking with teams and going to Super
Bowl week and speaking to the media and people throwing
out teams, all, yeah, I'd love to play in Washington,
that'd be a great place like that didn't That didn't
sit well with a lot of people. So it didn't
sit well with me when Kyler Murray took the first
second there, like he's he's outside best Buy on Thanksgiving
night at eight o'clock, you know, ready for the Black
(05:36):
Friday deals to open. He's the first in line to
go and do it. That's what set me off. That said, huh,
not that he wasn't gonna get a new contract, but
there was there was no reason to be so dramatic
in that step. And so that that's for me what
what turned with Kyler Murray. And then it just feels
like things have really plateaued, and if they haven't plateaued,
they've gone down, because they sure haven't gone up. That's
(05:57):
always been my issue with Kyler Kyler Murray as of late.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I mean at that time, Dan, people were there were
people in the media and people around the league saying
I might take Kylu murv of Lamar Jackson. Remember those conversations, Yeah, ridiculous,
But the fact that that was a conversation at that time,
it just shows me that there's a lot of people
out there that aren't real in depth with their ball
(06:20):
knowing now people have great seasons all the time, and
it's always about when you have that great season and
you have that new contract, who are you? Because once
you get that new contract, we're gonna know who you are.
Like the guys that are really great and really care
about their craft, that's not the end of it, Like
that's just part of a milestone. That's a stepping stone
(06:40):
to you know, a better life and all those things.
But I want to be considered one of the best
to do it. And so when you get to the
point of having those expectations put on you, that's when
you really find out who people are. And with Kylin Murray,
we've seen that you said it, he was very eager
to get that deal done. But we also when I
saw that, I had no doubt about where he was
(07:01):
going after that. It wasn't he was going to the
next level. I was like, he's done, sure, because he's
also had baseball asparations, right, He's had other things that
he's looked at and was supposed to be really good
at as well. So I never really believed in what
he could be long term with the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
What do you believe in the comments that were said
this week, because this is now where the Kyler Murray
saga has taken an interesting turn, where Jonathan Gannon had
this to say earlier about Kyler Murray about his injury
and what the future, the immediate future holds for the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Today, Kyler is going to go on IR. Feel like
that's the best thing for him and for us. He's
not fully healthy ready to go yet, so that makes
the most sense. Obviously that's a change, but we just felt,
you know, looking at it right now, that's the best
thing for him and us.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Like I just said, that was Jonathan Gannon yesterday talking
about to move to place Kyler Murray on IR. There's
more to this. There's a bigger thought. Why would Kyler Murray.
Why would Kyler Murray be placed on injured reserve and
(08:17):
need four more weeks to heal carry rhades When it
was just days prior to their game against the Cowboys
that there were reports coming out that Kyler Murray could
see action against Dallas on Monday night?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Why are we getting this mixed message from Arizona that
just days later when Kyler Murray was about to return
from his foot injury. Now, not only is he not
going to play in week ten, he's not going to
play for the next four weeks. Yeah, something doesn't add up.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yes, the internal conversations inside that locker room, inside that
war room is a little bit different than what they're
giving out right. I could see a scenario where the
offensive coordneta really likes the way that Jacoby Brissett runs
his offense.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Because if you're in the hot seat as a head coach.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
As a GM, as an offensive coordinator, whatever it is,
your job's on the line in the interim right now,
Jacobe Brissette gives him the best opportunity to win. He's
gonna get everybody the ball, He's going to be on time,
on target, and the offense looks like the way that
the offensive coordinator wants it to look. And you have
Jonathan Gannon, Jonathan Gannon as a head coach going out
(09:25):
and doing this making his comments. There was a disconnect
there between the owner head coach GM because he's talking
out of turn.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And then you have to come back and you got
to fix that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
You gotta do a little damage control, And I think
all these things say what I think about Arizona right now.
In general, they are disfunctional. And that's where I'll leave it.
And I'll leave it for you, Dan. That's the rest.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's okay. I got another question. You got? What you got?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Were the drops by Marvin Irrison Junior earlier this season?
Really the fall Marvin Harrison Junior. Now that we know
what we know, can we really blame the wide receiver
for dropping a football against the forty nine ers having
an awful interception against the Green Bay Packers? Can we
for dropping a pass? Can we really blame Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Junior for this?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
We can? We're not gonna We're not. We're not just
dumping on Kyler here.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No, Marvin Harrison was definitely not doing high and well
in certain points as well in this season.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So the drops by Marvin Harrison weren't because of the
relationship with Kyler Murray. They were a Marvin Harrison issue.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Marvin Harrison definitely started out thinking way too much and
you could tell by the way he was running his
routes there was no decisiveness. But also the decisiveness comes
in part with the tandem of the quarterback and receiver.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
There is carry over there. So you're saying it's because
of Kyler Murray in part little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, what you got what's going on here, Daniel? What's
going on?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I just am saying, you got this finger, like, why
does Marvin Harrison set a career high with three first
quarter targets?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I know if I would have told you on Sunday
during our show that Marvin Harrison's career high for receptions
of the game was six, you wouldn't have believed me.
I would not have, but I would have. You wouldn't
have believed me. This is I think it's partially due
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to Kyler Murray. It is I agree with you. I
agree with and I think that Marvin Harrison Junior is
looking at Kyler Murray as the quarterback that is paid.
That is the amusing the air quotes. The leader of
the team put so much pressure on himself that he
ended up making those mistakes. I get it, you're paid
to catch the football. But that receiver that we saw
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putting dron Bland in a blender on Monday, that's him,
was not the one that we saw in San Francisco.
Earlier on in this season.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
They were not on the same page at all. And
you know why.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Dan Kyler Murray is a guy that likes to play
off platform. Right, he can't see, so when he's in
the pocket, he misses windows. He throws the balls late,
he throws the ball where Marvin Harrison probably wouldn't be
expecting the ball to be thrown.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
All those things really matter. Right, So if I'm running
ten yards and I'm running an in breaking route across
the middle, and I'm expecting to be thrown in that
first window and you throw it in the second window,
that is a difference. So one hundred percent part of
the drops work Kyler. But as a receiver, if the
ball touches your hands, you gotta touch it. So there's
there's fault to be on both of them.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Okay, why then, why then? Why then? Why then? Why then?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Why then did they place him on injured reserve and
not just bench Kyler Murray? Because if you kept him
on injury reserve for the rest of the season, you
can say, hey, injury wise, but there's probably injury guarantees
in the contract. Why not just bench Kyler Murray in
favor of Jacoby Brissette, if Kyler Murray was so close
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to playing on Monday Night.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
They are trying to save face as an organization.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
They're trying to appease to some of the people that
may like.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Kyler Murray on that team, right, And so there's a
level of, like I said, they've been doing a little
backpedaling to control the situation because you just said it.
If Kyler Murray feels like the victim, something else is
gonna come from this as well. He's not gonna be
one to hold his tongue and that will cause confusion
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dissension among the team.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So does that answer for you? Dan? What you got?
This is what This is what I think happens. This
is what I think happens.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They're gonna give Jacoby prison four weeks where he's the man.
He hasn't been the man the last couple of weeks.
Even though he's been the starting quarterback, he's been the replacement.
Jacoby Brissett for his solid of a career that he
has had has not been able to handle or has
not been able to hold onto a job as a
starting quarterback in the NFL. This absolves them from pushing
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Kyler Murray back and putting him in a bad situation
where the fans are calling for Jacoby Brissett. They're almost
in a way allowing Jacoby Brissett the opportunity to fail.
So when he if he doesn't come through, then guess what.
Kyler's fully healthy. Kyler has a new code of paint
on him. He's looked at as a different quarterback. If
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Jacoby Brissett leads this team to four straight victories and
now they're in the playoff hunt, who cares about what
Kyler Murray feels. I think that that's why Arizona did
what they did. I think that is I think that
is why Arizona did what they did. It is to
put Jacoby in the spotlight, a spot, a place where
he hasn't thrived. But if he does, it's a win
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for Arizona. If he doesn't, guess who can come into
the rescue or doesn't look as bad anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Great point, And I'm also gonna say this, when you
put Jacoby Brissett in that position as the lead dog,
there are quarterbacks and players in the league that are
really good relief pitchers, right, yes, But when you have
to be a starting pitcher or starting quarterback is starting
whatever it is. The ability to go through that game
knowing that everybody is looking at you to actually be
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the savior, the guy that's going to lead us to
where we need to go to the Promised Land. That's
a different energy, but in the same breath, we know this,
and you know this for sure because you're high on
you were high on Arizona. Yes, and what they could do.
Think about the games they lost with Kyler Murray at quarterback.
They could have won all three of those four of
those games that they lost. And so they're right there
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if they operate at a level that it needs to
be operated. And I think I really do believe that
Gannon and their GM they're in this together and they
need to win now. So as far as putting Kobe
Bissett in the position to fail or to succeed, I
agree with it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But they're banking on him to succeed.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The Arizona Cardinals, you could make an argument, as crazy
as it sounds, could be undefeated.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yes, that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, the three and five they gave up, the comeback
to the Titans never should have happened. Amario de Marcado,
the Colts. Jason Stewart, and I remember the Colts game.
They're driving down the field a goal to gold situation,
down by four, they don't score. An awful decision by
Jonathan Gannon to go for it against the Green Bay
Packers that sets them up for their score.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
They lost against the forty nine Ers sixteen to fifteen
in a game where they had a lead late on
the safety and couldn't end up converting on it like
this is. They came back against the Seahawks and the
Seahawks won on the last second field goal.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Win.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Like there are all these situations that Arizona could be
really really good. Half at least the Colts and Packers
game against two really good teams, arguably the best teams
in the National Football League, and Kobe Brissett had them
within a score and an opportunity to win. Yeah, Jason Stewart,
do you remember that Colts game in what was happening
against the Cardinals?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I do, because a lot of us had the Colts
and our survivor a real close attention to those final seconds.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We were texting back and form I, he's gonna take
them down the field, they're going to score.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
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want to I want to say, coming up in after
Monci's update, it's gonna be a little what the puck
or as Sam you would like to call the segment,
was it, uh.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Puck crack crack? All right? What do you thought that?
As the old put crack scandal? Nice?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, Adam Kaplan, you may want to stick around just
to hang out and hear that segment coming up.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I want to Yes, we've been We've keeped your interests.
Oh my goodness, you guys as far as you know.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yes, all right, So we found out a report today
that the chiefs had offered the Jets a fourth round
pick for Breese Hall, and after trading Quinnin Williams and
Sauce Gardner, the Jets said, yeah, thanks, but no thanks,
so they keep breese Hall. How does that go down
with the Jets and Darren Moogie making the decision to
keep the what feels like a disgruntled running back right now?
Speaker 11 (18:52):
Yeah, that was fun, I think one of the local
outlets in New York. But yeah, what happened. My understanding
was that if Breesol walks, right which is almost certain happened,
they have no interest in extending his contract. So if
he walks, unless they change their mind of course by March.
But if he walks, they feel that he could sign
a monster deal.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
He could.
Speaker 11 (19:13):
He's still be one of the best for agent running
backs out there, if not the best, and they could
possibly for twenty twenty seven get a third round compensatory pick.
That's what something that Bengals. The Bengals have done, by
the way, it's not a secret in league circles. They
they've let a number of free agents go over the
years and they like to build their compensatory pick group.
The Ravens have done it. It's another way to build
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up your roster. So that's that's that's my understanding of
what they're thinking was I look, if you and I
were running, I would have said I would have said,
Dan Luck, we're not gonna keep He's not gonna be back.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
So let's let's take a third. Now.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
The problem is now the Chiefs, depending on which sports
book you look at, are though they're five and four,
they're still plus five. There's still the number one team
to win the Super Bowl. I find it ridiculous. But
that's tells you how open the leaguas this year.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
But I think that's what lends into the Colts making
the deal. Sure for Sal's Gardner, right do you? I
thought they overspent for him.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
But oh but you're not kidding.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Okay, Okay, we're on the same page. But tell me
what were the what were there thinking there?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Adam?
Speaker 11 (20:15):
All right, So first of all, I want to say this,
and I have a lot of respect for Chris Ballad.
I know Chris a little bit, but you know his
if his problem has been and he's aware of it,
he's acknowledged it and and sometimes to his detriment, but
he's probably untill this trade. Kerry the most conservative general
manager in the National Football League. Okay, doesn't like to
make trades, want to build for the draft. But the
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problem is when you fail at quarterback and you fail
in the draft. They failed completely with Anthony Richards. They've
already told you that they went to Daniel Jones, that
that's over with. When you do that, then you better start,
you better get it, do it better in other ways. Well,
he hasn't mastered the draft. He's been an okay drafter. Yeah,
he's felled. Listen when Andrew Luck surprisingly retired, I get
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that that's tough to overcome. Everything he's done at quarterback
has failed. So he tried with Daniel Jones as a backup.
He signed up for high backup money and it turned
out look other than last week. He was terrible, but
he was He's been really good up to last week.
But here's the problem, So Kerry, he makes his trade
(21:18):
now the word I put this out on sports Cord
last week.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
They were looking at corner.
Speaker 11 (21:21):
I don't know, no one knew it was gonna be
Saust Guarter because he wasn't really available. But the GM
of the Jets, Darren Moujie, admitted that the offer kept
growing and it became to the point where like, we
have to do this. The cornerback position is that the
Lake deal Brand told me on his value board it
was the fourth most important position quarterback, left offensive tackle,
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right defensive end, because you're going to get to the
left tackle, then cornerback. So how do you how do
you turn on two freship picks? Oh, by the way
they threw in Ady Mitchell a second rounder last year,
it's insane. You have to do that. Look, they're going
to be bad anyway. Now, getting back to Ballard in
the Colts, Yeah, this is not the way he does it.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
But here's the thing. No one thought they'd be seven.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
To two with Jimrse passing away and his kids running it.
His daughters were running the team. Chris has done a
lot to come back next year. What if they run
a losing streak, they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
He's out.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
So yeah, that he went for it. I know he overpaid.
I totally agree. Every personal person I spoke to they
just were shocked that Ballard. They just didn't understand it.
Like what they knew that they were bad at corner
That's not up to debate. What is up to debate
is why would you overpay? Couldn't you get two corners
for that? You know what I'm saying this is that's
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what happened.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah, And this is the crazy thing that I think
about it is I'm trying to figure out how do
they look at their window, like what is the window
of expiration? Sometimes it's a quarterback. I thought maybe it's
a Jonathan Taylor situation where they're like, hey, Jonathan Taylor
in the past has battled some injuries, He's having a
great year so far. Let's make sure that we cash
in on when he's at the prime of his career.
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But how does this complicate things now? Or does it
complicate things if you now want to sign Daniel Jones
to a long term extension after just getting the one
year deal. Mike obviously to me, Dan, Sorry, we can
talk to Mike.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Talk to Mike. Dan. Here's the problem.
Speaker 11 (23:16):
They just gave up two first round picks, so they
don't have a first round pick until twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
How do they getting a quarterback? On your question?
Speaker 11 (23:24):
So, the thought around the league is that Ballard is
Mortgage's future in terms of the quarterback position. He's stuck
with Daniel Jones, or he's gonna have to trade one
and what or sign a journeyman free agent. That's what
he just did with Daniel Jones. Really, so he's stuck.
I mean, this is let's talk. You have yes, yeah,
well yes and no theoretically yes, but you also have
(23:47):
to see what who's out there in free agency and
I understand you're probably looking at guys who were washed
up or look who knew about Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Okay, who knew about Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 11 (23:55):
You never know, though Daniel Jones up to last week
had been has been phenomenal. So yeah, look, it's a
massive overpay. That was a shocker of Monday. Was great
because all these teams wait till the last minute. When
you when you do that, you overpay because you know
you can't do any more trading until March. And if
you're trying to make a run for it, and as
I said at the top here as I sent it
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back to you, Dan, this is the one year to
go for it because it's so wide open.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Anyone will win it if you get in.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
That's what I was going to bring up, like that's
that's the reason I mean the way that you come
into the season and right now the way it's materialized,
you got a chance to win it in your mind.
Are they I don't know about that, but they have
a chance. But I want to go. I want to
talk about tonight's tonight's game. I want to talk about
the Bronco. No, just just because of the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Adam, I got you, I got you?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Like this is the in my opinion, they are the
worst seven and two teams.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
And my great defense. I know they're just this is.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Also Carry's way of running on my Super Bowl picknot No.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It isn't Dan. They are legitimately there. I don't see
any Yes, the defense is really good and they got
a lot of makes sense, But what is wrong with
their offense? What's going on with the inconsistencies in bon
NeXT's carry?
Speaker 11 (25:05):
Bow Next is an inconsistent quarterback. He's just up and down.
They're they've Here's the funny thing. They have a ton
of talent. Yes, yes, the running game has been fine,
but they they have games thirteen to eleven. Like the Jets,
they play down a lot to the competition. I give
them credit for Philly for winning. It's hard to win
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there was another game where they didn't score a lot
of points. Yep, they do just enough to win there.
I there's a radio show that I do power rankers.
We're actually going to do them today. So I'll tell
you what I have here. I have the Broncos now
and at my top fourteen, which is obviously fourteen teams
to make it carry.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
It's funny you bring this up. I have him at ten. Yeah,
I have him at ten. Yeah, I don't. I just don't.
I don't see it, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You, without Patrick's ten two along. Yeah, a couple more weeks.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
Oh really Yeah, he's got a pectorial strain that those
could be those I don't know if you've ever had
that carry that those things are linger right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, carry And I started the show talking about Kyler
Murray and and you know we've we've talked for years.
Carrie was was never a huge fan.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Well why the many are? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Why the sense of mixed messages though, because we had
thought that Kyler Murray was about to play on Monday Night.
Now he's on an R for four weeks. Well, no,
there were there were, there was there was talk over
the weekend.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Yeah, it was wrong. Here's here's this is this is
my understanding.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
Let me just put it this way. This is my understanding.
He's got a midfoot sprain.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
It it could be he has a moderate midfoot sprain.
Speaker 11 (26:30):
As my understanding, if he pushes too much, he could
he could be out for months. There was a like
you could push it and play him, but he could
also it was too risky and now he focuses on
his future. And by the way, his contract is really
onerous though. Structure uh it Look, they could trade him,
they could want to trade him, but you gotta find
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a team that's gonna want him. He's a smaller quarterback
at five ten and those guys actually might not even five,
might be five to nine. This structure is poor. It
has what are called advance guarantees. So if he's on
the roster in March of this year, the next year
cash is fully guaranteed. Like that's the way you get
around fully guarantee the whole contract. The agents do this now,
it's another way to get it done. It's the bad
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contract for the Cardinals. I don't know what they're going
to do there. Jonathan Gannon's Dan, You're right. The craziness
of what he said this week. He's a very mercurial guy.
By the way, He's a good, good dude from people
have worked with him, players like him. But he says
some stuff every now and then where you go, wait,
wait a minute, what do you mean by that? He
just yeah, he's set some weird stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I told carry.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Then.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think what it does is it allows Jacoby Brissett
and I'll be the man, which honestly is a role
that he hasn't succeeded in. He's great coming in and
saving the day. Yeah, but when he's been a starter,
it's been added more pressure. Does this Does this allow
them to bring Kyler back at the end so if
they want to part ways at the end of the
season that there isn't an injury situation for that.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Could that be in play here?
Speaker 12 (27:53):
Mmm?
Speaker 11 (27:53):
But the problem is if he plays poorly, he always
have to look at it that way. With the Smidfoot's brain,
it's it's in the list fronkinsy areas.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
I understand it.
Speaker 11 (28:02):
So it's yeah, it's it's not he didn't tear it,
but it's there's enough of a spray in that it's
it's a concern and you can't.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
You can't risk it that you talking to plasures. I
have had it. It's really bad. You know.
Speaker 11 (28:13):
It's an unnatural sprain where the midfoot splits, so it's
you gotta be careful of that thing. So that look
that they they play very hard. They had it's actually
had a pretty good draft. Yeah, the Montioso for it's
done a good job in terminent that the draft, but
they're still not a very good football team. It starts
a quarterback. You guys are absolutely right. Look their top
to running backs are out. Connor won't be back the season.
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Marvin Harrison, he's getting better lately. I've always been a disappointment.
It's stunning to me.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
He was super loved by people in the draft. Who
who who I who I trust and hasn't happened. And
defensively they're competitive, but they're just they've been stuck in
neutral three years.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
It's my term for it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I was just gonna say, Kriy and I went over
their schedule and we made an argument they could be unbeaten,
as crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
As crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
They've got a lot of players back from injury. They
got older when you.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Look at how they lost these games.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Yeah, I know they were not a lot though they
do that a lot.
Speaker 11 (29:05):
No, but but but look, okay, so, but if you
look at their scheduler coming up, I mean, honestly, if
you look at the rest of their schedule, Okay, they
got they got one.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
They got to beat the Bengals. You know that Bengals.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
They're not competitive defensively, But Seattle, the Niners, the Jags,
the Bucks, the Rams, the Texans defense the Rams again, Falcons,
who are unachieving by the way, they are really disappointing.
I'm I'm surprised. My friend Rhee Marson doing better. He's
there's something missing with their offense. They should be way.
Their defense is good, their offense is not.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Adam, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a stab at myself
here since I threw since since I threw Dan under
the bus with with this Diner Broncos, My team in
the NFC is underachievement as well. And I don't know
who they are either, and that's the Green Bay Packers,
Like who are they? Yeah, I mean, you know, offensively,
they got weapons they got back now.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
But yeah, what it is is, how do I describe this.
So their defense is good. I mean, they don't have
an elite defense. But for some when Joe Barry got fired,
the thought around the club was that they were too soft,
they were unachieving. They changed their scheme from a thirty four,
which they'd ran for decades, to a forty three under
Jeff Hafley, the former Boston College head coach who had
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coached in the league as an assistant for a while.
There there Look, here's the thing. From a front seven
talent level, it's hard to find a team that's more talented,
but they're not real good at corner, like very beatable
corner offensively. Now with a Tucker Craft injury, which is major,
he had an ACL he was having a phenomenal year.
What's interesting about that, one, guys, is that Luke Musgrave
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was the starter. They were drafted and they were selecting
the same draft and Musgrave got hurt and he had
an illness and he never got a job back. And
now Craft is out and Musgrave gets his job back,
and then look everyone now and then Jordan Loved done
play well, but he's had a good year. There they're
five too and one I did pick them to win division,
but they're not going to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Matt.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Here's the problem. Matt before has not been a good
playoff head coach. Yeah, he's very conservative as a play caller. Yeah,
big balance guy. But what I did like against Pittsburgh
when Love went twenty for twenty to finish out the game.
When they beat Pittsburgh when they were behind and then
Love went off the fourth quarter, he did say we
stayed with a pass because it was just Jordan was
so good. Why run the ball. That's what Lafleur's got
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to do. Curry to answer your question, if you want
to be great, take advantage of the talent. Now, Green
Bay's got a number of injuries at receiver. They've got
three guys are hurt. That's a problem for them as
they host the Eagles, and the Eagles have kind of
owned them in recent years.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
He goes in Monday Night Football will wrap up Week ten.
Week ten starts tonight with the Raiders and Broncos. As
we talked about, so Adam Kaplan will be busy. Adam,
thanks so much. We'll talk to you next time, all right.
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Speaker 10 (32:28):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I thought that was a nice transition. I doesn't know
it was game time, that's all. I was surprised.
Speaker 13 (32:42):
This is how I keep track of my week, carry
with game time. Okay, so I know it's Thursday because
we're playing game.
Speaker 10 (32:51):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 13 (32:53):
That's right. We are all going to draft our favorite
moment of the NFL season so far.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
All right, Okay, and it's gonna be the draft order.
Speaker 13 (33:01):
Were gonna start with you carry.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh my goodness, all right, I was so anxious to
pick a So.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Carrie, Jason, Dan me Sam, and if we have time,
we will snake back. Okay, if we have time, because
you know Sam likes to be long winded. Okay, Carrie,
you go start things off.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Snake all right, the question one more time, monson, what
is your favorite.
Speaker 13 (33:24):
One of the favorite moments of the season so far
in the NFL through the first nine weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Favorite moment of the season so far. Wow, that would
be for me. I'm just gonna have to be a
little bias here. The Jets coming out and getting a
big win right after the passing of my good friend
Nick Mangole.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
That was a beautiful moment, beautiful tribute. The win was
in Cincinnati, Nicks from Ohio, so it was all pretty pretty,
pretty stellar.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The game was balking, it was.
Speaker 13 (33:55):
We're going to Jason Jason's next. I was like, I
wrote this down.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I want to point out the Car's favorite moment was
the moment that I hated most because the Bengals lost
me my survivor exactly exactly. So I'm gonna make it
even more about me. The Chargers. We're trying to charger
a game against the Dolphins in the middle October in Miami.
(34:21):
Justin Herbert feels the pressure, he avoids, he throws defenders
off of him, hits Lad McConkey on the cross and
the and Cameron Dicker ends up winning the game with
a field goal avoiding the chargering, and Justin Herbert won
for the highlight reel.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, it was a great play.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I wanted the Dolphins because of what knock to people.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Lost All right, Dan, you're up, got Manzi.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I like Jason also had an entry lost by the
Bengals or that lost to the jetson But the only
reason it was alive was because the Broncos came back
and scored thirty three points in the fourth quarter against
the New York Giants to get that win in Week seven.
That amazing comeback and all of the drama with it.
So the Broncos thirty three point fourth quarter would be
(35:11):
my and and we.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Were on the air at that time, right was going on.
It's one of those you won't forget.
Speaker 13 (35:16):
It's like, I don't even want to remember it.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'm just not gonna forget it, won't.
Speaker 13 (35:19):
Yeah, I'm not gonna forget this one either, because it
was wild. I think it was Week five Titans and Cardinals.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
Cam Moore throws what is eventually a pick, but then
the Cardinals fumble the interception. Chaos ensues, and I think
it's Tyler Lockett that ends up returning the fumble for
a touchdown and the Titans beat the Cardinals by the
end of it, Like that did say all that?
Speaker 13 (35:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It was nuts? It was nuts, and that de Marcado
right before correct correct.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
I didn't want to point that out. I just thought
this touchdown.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
One man, Sam did. I don't know, maybe I did.
Speaker 12 (35:55):
Why am I taking all these Sam takes for Sam?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I was SAMs it. Geez, come on, family, you have
to here, you can have to all right? Am I
back to back here?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Yes? Here quick?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
All right? So let's go.
Speaker 12 (36:07):
Let's go with It's October fifth, Sunday night football. The
Bills are undefeated, hosting the Patriots, and the Patriots pull
out a win to reassert their dominance in the AFC East,
and afterward, the Bills were saying this to themselves about
the Patriots. They're like, why won't these guys, go away.
(36:28):
We're supposed to be the kings of the AFC East
and the Patriots are right back in the thick of things.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yes, all right, do you have another one?
Speaker 7 (36:36):
I do.
Speaker 12 (36:37):
How about a very entertaining game that ended in a
forty forty tie between Green Bay or Dallas. And usually
ties are like, you know, weird sixteen all and then
you know, but this was a shootout that ended at
a tie, and everyone just was let out their breath
and was like, what the heck was that?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
All right, yeah it was. It was like recess, that's
all one, Okay, stop it right there.
Speaker 13 (36:57):
I got a quick one when Aaron Rodgers got mad
at his teammate for tackling him in celebration after a touchdown.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Never forget ballot.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Hey, when you're forty, when you're forty plus, when you're
forty plus, don't talk me.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
To the I think he was gonna tackle him back. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Don't know if if we want to piggyback here, but
Jason and I go into the Bills game against the
Dolphins on the Thursday night and weekend.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole experience was magnificent.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I remember we locked eyes at one point. Great moment
is after.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Your fourth beer, I think in the third total three.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, boy, he legit, he legit had on beer goggles.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
For Dan, the Bat Blue Light was a La Bat
blue light mineus the biggest lie of a week of
lies Week one, the Raiders going into New England and
beating the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
All Right, you got you got a final one.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
No man, I'm gonna I'm gonna let that thing bro
eighty Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Now a jet dropping the football across the line. Gina
falls in line with the Jets. Dan, So yeah, what about.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
The uh coming back down twenty six?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
That's not a good that's not a good one. I
don't even remember that. He's carrying on. I'm Dan Byer.
Do you remember twenty ten? We do next
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