February 18, 2019 • 32 mins
Doug gives you his takeaways from All Star weekend in the NBA: how important is the All Star MVP award and did Anthony Davis make things better or worse? He also tells you why Antonio Brown should apologize to his Steelers teammates. Plus, CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the show to tell Doug whether or not Brown gets traded and where Nick Foles plays next season.
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Star Game. I didn't watch much except for highlights and
national anthem, right just because of Fergies national anthem. I
wanted to see how that national anth this national anthem
went down. I just I really struggle with the All
Star Game in the BA, especially because I think what
could be the best of the best of the best
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playing hard instead devolves into hey, here's another alley you pay,
here's another wide open three pointer. You know, like it
doesn't require that much energy to play defense, Like you're
already there, you're already running up and down, you're already
using you're already getting a good little cardio workout. The
idea that no defense is really being offered, Like we're football.
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I understand it, like you just you can't play football
without somebody potentially getting seriously hurt. Baseball, I understand it.
You can't throw somebody's arm out there and having pitched
more than an inning or two innings and basebally I
get basketball. I don't, and so I struggle. I haven't
watched well an NBA All Star games since Magic Johnson
hit a fadeaway last time he touched the ball in
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some sort of professional game in the NBA. But they
avoided a complete disaster this weekend. They've had. They had
some pr malfunctions leading up until uh the All Star Game,
most notably Anthony Davis, who seemed to ruin his franchise,
seemed to ruin the Lakers and the Celtics heard all
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three and uh uh and of course the game before
he left for the All Star Game. He's playing the
Oklahoma City Thunder. He hurt his shoulder, left the floor.
Did an m R I Rich Paul's agent just happen
to be there and they leave the RANI instead of
coming back to the bench when there's nothing wrong with
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the shoulder. Don't believe me, there's nothing wrong. Why did
he play in the All Star Game? He's fine? So
uh here here's Anthony Davis when he was asked on
Saturday about this idea that he doesn't want to play
for the Boston Celtics. I don't have a preferred destination,
uh say, I just want to win. You know, they
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actually big Marcus small market. I don't care, you know,
I'm want to win, you know. And obviously whatever team
you know, I get traded to, you know, play for
it that year or whatever. If if I did try,
I'm not sure, but just make the best up and
then you know, we're free to come see what happens.
You know. Um, you know I can't tell the future.
But says all the list, Yeah, all twenty nine team.
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That sounds that sounds like Frank potentially, Remember Frank potentially
and in The Godfather too. Ramos, You're my one guy
who I can count on for movies. You've you've maybe
with Frank potentially godfather to godfather to Yes. Okay, so
Frank pontentially turned state's evidence and he's going to he's
gonna sell out Michael Corleone. And he gets on the
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witness stand at the grand jury and all of a sudden,
they had flown in his brother. It's a Sicilian deal
where he fly on fly in his brother. And now
all of a sudden he realizes he can't he can't
turn on the family. Oh oh no, no live waul business,
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the olive woul business. They come up right here. All
of a sudden, all of a sudden, completely changed his tune,
which is what happened to Anthony Davis this weekend. He
had gotten the memo that hey, dude, he can't be
and and look there's even if you listen to that cut,
he's like, you know, if I get traded for that year, wait,
well what that year? Yeah? That that that's what he's
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telling you. Hey, I'll go anywhere for a year, but
I'm not gonna stay there long term, which means you're
not gonna want to trade for me. But even that,
the All twenty nine teams is a complete bs statement
and everybody knows it, but clear it's pretty obvious that
whether it's his agent or somebody getting to his agent,
most likely the NBA. Hey, dude, you gotta shut this down.
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This is not the way in which we can perform ourselves.
Here's Adam Silver. Over the weekend, you did the State
of the Basketball Union kind of address talking about how
trades and how they're handled in the NBA. I recognize,
and I think it's perfectly appropriate that conversations take place
behind close doors where players where their agents are saying
to management, it's my intention to move on for whatever reasons.
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I think when they make a public spectacle, I hear
you in terms of the enormous media interest that comes
from it, But that's not the kind of media interests
we're looking for. Yeah, listen, this is bad. It's bad
pr it's bad for everybody. It hurts this team and
hurts two other teams. Like we shut this down, talk
about it in private, and in public you put on
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the happy face, which is exactly what Anthony Davis has done,
but only after completely butchering this thing. This from Scott Kushner,
who does a great job covering the Pelicans beat next
week is gonna be weird again. There are people within
the Pelicans who believe A D has played his last
game with franchise. A D has made the perfectly clear
over the weekend he intends to keep playing. The NBA
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didn't clarify its position. So what's the tipping point? What
do you do now? Like, because you can't trade him
because the trade deadline is expired, you don't play him,
so we had to pay him to not play. On
the other hand, the team doesn't seem to want to
function with him because he's not in it to actually win.
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Like the irony to Anthony Davis saying he wants to
go somewhere to where he can win. And I get
that you're frustrated. I completely get that you're frustrated in
what the Pelicans have done to this point in terms
of putting a team around you got it. We fired
Del Dems. We hired Alvin Gentry by the way, a
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couple of years ago because he has a sterling reputation.
We've tried some we signed, we traded for DeMarcus Cousins, Like, well,
it's not for lack of trying. We just haven't pulled
it off. But like, now you got twenty five games,
are so left if you want to win, like you
can actually help but make us a winner. That's it.
You can help make us a winner. I thought they
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avoided for the most part any pr disasters. Was it great? No? No,
not really? Was it terrible? No, it wasn't wasn't terrible.
I mean, somehow, somehow, the NBA has convinced people that
it isn't what it appears to be. Right, Remember two
years ago they talked about, well, we've gotta make some
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massive changes with the NBA All Star Game because they're
not playing any defense. And then you know, we see
at the All Star Game they're shooting too many threes,
they're not playing any defense. And then we see at
the All Star Game, Uh, was it ninety three's taken
by Team Lebron, seventies seven taken by Team Janice? Like
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that wasn't close to being good basketball? And and this
is from somebody who realizes that the talent, the skill
is ridiculous, better than it's ever been in the NBA.
But you can't tell me that ninety three pointers in
a game is a good thing. It's just not. And
the Lebron, you know, picking all those guys that just
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so happened to be potential free agents this offseason. It
is a good thing. And then you got Kevin Durant
winning the m v P, and I think it's kind
of like, it's kind of perfect. I get that the
m v P of the All Star Game doesn't really
mean anything. It just doesn't, you know, like League MVP
means very, means a little, but not a ton. Finals
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MVP means a lot. But now he's won all of them,
and now he's wanting and and he has the way
to do this thing where where when he's around a
bunch of his contemporaries, he wants to make sure everybody knows, like, hey,
I'm the best score out here. When you put the
best of the best out here, I'm actually the best
of the best. But but again, he's doing it for
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Team Lebron, right like and and crazy enough like like Durance,
Durant's desire to play for the Golden State Warriors was
to get a shot at Lebron, to prove he's better
than Lebron. So he goes and does that um in
in some people's mind. In my mind, I thought he
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was the better player in the NBA Finals when it mattered. Um,
some people carry in the well last year wasn't as
good a team, okay, or the year before it wasn't
as good a team. I thought it was actually pretty
close in terms of star power on paper. But okay,
and then you start to wonder, Wait, wouldn't Duran actually
be better off with Lebron James because Lebron wants to
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pass and he wants to score. But he said he
wants no part of Lebron James circus. The whole thing
is fastending. But I thought that somebody got to Anthony
Davis much the way, much the way the cor Leon.
He's got to Frank Pantangelly bo would play for the Celtics. No, no, no,
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who told you that I'll play for the Celtics. I'll
play for the Jazz. No no, no, listen, listen, listen
to me and the Celtics. We go way back. Oh,
I don't know, how do we talk about He didn't
want to sleep with the fishes. That's that's basically what
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You know what the best way to to handle conflict is. No,
it's it's not go through the third person, um, you know, uh,
you know, go through arbitration. No, it's not go through therapy. No,
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it's not face to face communication. No, it's not text
the text conversation. It's going through social media. I'm kidding,
of course, right, that's Antonio. Antonio Brown wanted his story
out over the weekend over what's really going on? Um?
But this is after liking an Instagram that called Ben
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Roethlisberger a rapist. This is after already posting a video
that he he say goodbye to Pittsburgh. Um. One tweet
was no conflict, just a matter of respect, mutual respect.
He has an owner mentality, like he can call it.
Anybody including coaches, players know that they can't say anything.
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But otherwise the meal ticket gone. It's a dirty game
within the game. Hashtag truth. That's when he was asked
by somebody on Twitter, what caused the conflict between you
and Ben Roethlisberger. No conflict, just a matter of respect. Okay, Well,
if there was no conflict, then there's no matter of respect.
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Or disrespect, and and and I understand the idea that
Ben Roethlisberger is not without blame. I get that Ben
Rothsberger deserves a portion of the blame. But Ben Roethlisberger
did not, nor has he ever, quit on his football team,
left the practice and went a wall before before a
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play in or play out a football game. He did.
And let's also be honest that though Ben can be
a huge pain, and Ben will say some things in
the media which others cannot, he's also won a quarterback
into like Antonio Brown has done this time and again.
He's he's gotten into it with coaches on the sideline,
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he's gotten into it with players on the sideline. And
then you factor in the last time we heard about
Antonio Brown and the Pittsburgh Steelers was when he walked
away from the team and then wanted to show up
on Sunday to play. And so he's gonna he's gonna
meet with the team president, He's gonna meet with Mr Rooney,
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And I think the first thing out of his mouth
if he wants any chance of this being wrapperable, is
to go Happy Gilmore. Remember Happy Gilmore when when Chubb's
when Chubbs had given so much advice too happy, and
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finally Happy came hat in hand and apologized, I'm smart,
you're stupid, right, sounding something like this, I'm stupid, you're smart.
I was wrong, you were right. You're the best, I'm
the worst. You're very good looking, I'm not attractive. There
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you go. Okay, So now that we got that, that's
that's how it has to start. I don't know if
there's coming back from calling your teammate a rapist. I
would guess that's a no. And you can sit here
and go like, well he didn't. He just liked dy,
Come on, dude, there's places you can't go. And if
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i'm if, I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers and I sit down
with him, and he still hasn't apologized to his coach.
He hasn't apologized to his team, let alone apologizing to
Ben Roethlisberger for liking an Instagram or even for not
showing up week of the Bengals game. No apologies there
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start with I'm sorry. It's actually a really good lesson.
Don't you think Ramo's to music from when he gets
when he gets married, like just wake up and go morning, honey.
I'm sorry. What are you sorry for I don't know,
I'm gonna do something that's gonna take you off today,
So I just sorry. That's um, eighteen years in the business,
in the marriage business, it's a good way. You just
start out to day with it. I'm sorry because you're
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gonna say or do somethings do but it's kind of
kind of kind of part of the deal. I appreciate
the heads up there, Doug. It's always good to try
and be a little bit ahead of the curve as
opposed to behind it. No question, no, no question. Um okay.
So then it comes down to is it can you
repair this relationship? And my guess is you can't. I
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think it's interesting on how both he and Levy on
Bell are in these kind of weird precarious Hey, the
world has changed. The world has changed. I said this
last week about Zion Williamson. Where Zion Williamson fifteen years ago,
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I don't know if there's nearly the adoration from NBA
scouts like there is now because Zi Williamson fifteen years
ago is an undersized power forward who can't guard centers.
Now he's the perfect small ball center. Like NBA game
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has changed that much in fifteen years, and it's worked.
The world has worked in his favor. Tim Duncan. I
don't know how Tim Duncan um. I don't know how
Tim Duncan fits in this NBA. He wasn't He's a
low post player, a low post to high post score.
What would he evolve? I guess, But he was around
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late in the NBA and he didn't evolve into being
a perimeter face up shooters, like wasn't his game. He
became a center and he's never been a guy who
moves that great latterly, So how would he fair with
how the teams play now? I'm not I'm guessing not great.
So he got out at the right time, Levian Bell
holding out, losing out on fourteen million dollars when when
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teams are showing that they can they're better off with
multiple running backs and the team that paid their running
back a year early, and Todd Gurley couldn't use him
enough in the Super Bowl because either he wasn't healthy
or c. J. Anderson was just a better option, or
maybe a little bit of both. Well maybe one to
get the other. Levian Bell is sitting out there thinking
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fifteen years ago, he gets paid now, and we're coming
off a Super Bowl where though the New England Patriots
tried to get an elite talented wide receiver and they
couldn't get it done, and they still found a way
to win without one, Like, hey, we can win without you,
and winning is actually more important than the stats that
Antonio Brown puts up. I'm mean, I know he's not
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Dez Bryant, but the idea that Dez Bryant was out
of work for much of this year shows you what
people think about these alpha wide receivers who think they're
more important than they actually are. Like, the league is
screaming to you, we're changing, get on board. The Giants
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have O'Dell Beckham Jr. And they've thought about trading him.
What's that tell you? But he he should start the
conversation with I'm sorry, I was wrong, and in addition
to which at the same time he has a conversation
with Mr Rooney saying I'm sorry I was wrong. There
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should be at least a text, it's not a phone
conversation previously that with Mike Tomlin and Frankly, at least
a text to Ben Roethlisberger, Hey, my bad, dude, this
thing spiraled out of control. I was just trying to
get out of town. But I only I want to apologize,
maybe not for anything else, but for how I acted
week seventeen. I was really upset, but I shouldn't have
I shouldn't have gone a wall from the team. Until
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you start there, there can be no conver could be
no legitimate conversation. This idea that two or three wrongs
somehow make his wrong or right. That's the most immature
thing of all of them. Be sure to catch live
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the Doug Gallup Show of Quarti Jastion is the UH
insider for all things NFL on CBS Sports and CBS
Sports Interact and follow him on Twitter as well. Jason,
what are you hearing in regards to Kyler Murray and
how much you have to kind of build a fit
around him in order to get the most out of him? Yeah,
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I mean, look um, he may not be everybody's cup
of tea for the reasons of height and for you know,
the offense that he comes out of, but you know,
there There's a dude not terribly larger than him from
that exact same system who you know, pretty much put
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the league on its ear the second half of the season.
And I don't know that he comes in and does
with Baker Mayfield did, but I think you're looking at
guys coaches who even even haven't even had that much
success from that system now running NFL teams, and you're
seeing more and more mobile quarterbacks playing sooner than people expected.
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You're seeing Lamar Jackson come in and save a team season,
save a coach's job, get a team that was floundering
at four and five to a division title. I mean,
albeit in an unconventional manner um and maybe in a
way that's not totally sustainable. But Kyler Murray's done a
lot more in the pocket than I think Lamar Jackson
had done at a similar instance in time. So and
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this was not a kid who you saw getting plays
blown up at the line of scrimmage left and right.
He didn't have a high rate of balls being knocked down.
He did have a high completion percentage from the pocket. Um, Again,
these guys are an anomaly. Fran Tarkington, Drew Brees, Russell, Wilson,
Doug Flutey, and I know this guy is more fluty
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than even Breeze, but he's gonna be he's young, he's
gonna be incredibly cheap. You're going to control him for
five years plus two franchise tags. I think he's going
in the top half of the first round, and it
may be via trade and maybe somebody moving up ahead
of the Giants at six. Not that I think he's
necessarily a fit for the Giants, but I think you
might have to go on the top five when it's
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all said and done to get him. Okay, what about
the Cardinals, Um, where are they with Josh Rosen, a
guy who it's easy to watch him throw and go like,
oh yeah, that's an NFL quarterback. But for whatever reason,
and Jason, I've said this back when he was in
college and into the draft, like you got to you
go to St. John Bosco where he played and started
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in high school, you go to u C. L A
and the multiple coordinators, and you go now to the
Airs and Cardinals, and for whatever reason, nobody walks away
from Josh rose To going, man, I love that guy.
I love that guy. No one has that feeling where
are the Cardinals in their level of of love and
attraction to their former first round draft pick. I think
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they are um of a mindset where they want to
get out of one. I think, above and beyond all loss,
they don't picking at one. I mean both Quinn and Williams.
Whomever they take their is not going to turn that
franchise around overnight. They need um, multiplicity, they need they
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need quality, but they also need volume. Um. They need
to fix themselves at the point of attack on both
sides of the ball. They need skill position players. They
need defensive backs. Uh. You know, they've got a pass rusher,
and I guess they've got a running back, although I
don't know what they were doing with him last year,
and they don't have a whole lot else. So I
think that they realized that you can't just punt every
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you know, every six months, like they hired a coach,
gave him no chance to succeed, the punked it on
him after a season. Keep all the decision makers in place,
give the decision makers more power than ever. Hire a
particular coach with a very minimal skill set. I mean,
he was not an effective head coach in college. I
guess he was an effective coordinator in college, although it's
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not like he let the world on fire with Patrick Mahomes.
And I think there's a sense now that, okay, let's
see what we have in Josh rosen Um. If they
take Kyler Murray first, first overall, they're gonna get pennies
on the dollar for rosen Um. It be a cell
low proposition. And they just moved up to ten a
year ago. These are that. It's it's still a bid Wells,
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it's still Steve Khin. If they have that little conviction
and how they run their football team, they probably shouldn't
be running it. So I think their primary objective is
to get out of one and let somebody else go
up there for a particular defensive player or in their
preference for a quarterback, because if they're not taking a quarterback,
then that's somebody who wasn't gonna come off their board anyway. Um.
But I think to evaluate rosen under those circumstances, you
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fired the question. You fired his first coordinator like six
weeks into his career. You guys paid Bradford and Glenn
and all that money to stink so that you had
to go to this kid under reverse circumstances when you're
not running the ball, you don't have an offensive line,
and now you've got a first time play caller. I mean,
at some point they got to look within and realize
it's not these this individual or that individual. It took
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us collectively to get to this point where we're picking
first overall. No, I'm I'm I'm with you. Uh, I
would like look Mahomes in fairness, like Mahomes through for
five thousand fifty two yards, lad lead the lead the
country in passing. So I mean, I'm I'm a little
bit more in the Kingsbury. Kingsbury had more success, uh
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than Kingsberry was better than that. I think the record
would There's a lot. Here's here's what I'll tell you.
The reason, same reason that college coaches struggle, that great
college coaches recognise struggle in the pros is the same
reason I think he could do it, because coaching in
the pros is just about coaching. It ain't about recruiting,
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it ain't about donors, it ain't about anything else. Just
can you and then can you hire the people around
you to coach the parts that you don't know to coach?
Is that a fair thing right, because otherwise we're gonna
find out. We're going to find out. I mean I
can remember them going up to Iowa State and getting
skull dragged in like Patrick Mahomes second or third to
last game in college, you know, I mean, my home's
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got a red shirt ear got coached up by Kafka
and Reid and then set the world on fire. I mean,
I don't know. I mean, how how much credit am
I going to give Cliff Kingsbury for that? I I
don't know. I think we'll find out what does he
do with Rosen or if they take this risk on Murray? Um?
You know, I'll just say this. I can remember the
forty nine is a few years ago, hiring a guy
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on the defensive side of the ball, and nobody else
would have hired as a head coach in a million
years over empowering him and then blowing him out after
a year, and then going the other way and making
a massive play for Chip Kelly and then blowing him
out after a year. I smell a little bit of
that here. But we'll say, yeah, no, you're right that
the lack of decisive this lack of conviction, Um, your
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your what is it? From Star Wars, like your your
lack of faith, your lack of faith. Um, I gotta
think I'm not the guy. I thank you, thank you.
One knows your lack of faith is disturbing. Jason Lock
in Florida joining us on the Doug Gottlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's get to Antonio Brown. Um.
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Mr Rooney's gonna go down and meet with him. But
he goes on like a hey, let's let me tell
you what the truth is here on Twitter, and he
puts the blame on on Ben Roethlisberger. How does that
go over in NFL circles? I mean, everybody in that
building knows he doesn't like to coach and he doesn't
the quarterback. And I've been reporting it since the fallout
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in week seventeen, and actually reported it way back in
week two or three when he won a wall. Actually
reported it way back in July, the first week of camp,
when they told him you can't have your own photographer,
you can't have your own nutritionis on the field during
training camp, you can't have your own social media guy
running around the sidelines. Those dudes gotta go. And he's like, oh, really,
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Mike Tomlin after all I've done for you. And then
he went M I A to Pittsburgh for a couple
of days and they said he had an injury. He
wasn't hurt. He had Bruce feelings, so he and then
you know, he didn't feel like, Um, he felt like
Ben got too much control of this offense and that
the offensive coordinators too tight to Ben and with Ben
and Ben can change whatever he wants to the line
of scrimmage. And you know this is Ben's offense and
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not our offense. And you know we get the blame,
but Ben doesn't. So that stuff's been festering for a while. UM.
So I don't think he put anything on Twitter that that.
You know, the Rooneys weren't well aware of that. Tomlin
wasn't well aware of that. Kevin Colbert wasn't well aware
of Can they build this Ridge? I I tend to
think not. And he still really doesn't want to be there.
And I don't know that he's going to show near
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enough contrition for what it would take for this ownership
group to say this isn't additioned by subtraction to some degree. Um.
But it is a long off season. Two you know,
and and we'll see that no one they have people
have been burning up their phone lines yet. But I
think most people are also just waiting to get to
the combine in nine days, when everybody's going to be
in this relatively small town for five six days, and
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that's when things usually get done. But I don't know
that they're able to put this genie back in the bottle. Um, Okay,
what about Odell Beckham Jr. Like, now there's there's this
there's this story that they were going to trade him
last year or thinking about treating him last year. Then
the Patriots were interested in They're like, wait a second,
Patriots knows something we don't know. Um continued kind of
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discuss Jay Glazer put it in there that his bold
prediction was that he'd be moved. What are you hearing
in regards to Odell Beckham Junior. The possibility that before
his big money knew a deal kicks in, he's moved
this offseason. I don't know how they get around a
pretty decisive cap hit. I mean, I I don't know.
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I mean it would take a real chunk out of
their ability to do anything else. I don't think they
would be trading from a position to strength if they
did it, and I mean anything had happened. Wayne Gretzky
was traded. The owner came out last year publicly and said, hey,
I might have to move on from this guy, you
know when that tape came out. So it's not it's
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not happy happy joy joy there. Um. But I also
know if they do draft a quarterback, he's gonna have
to have somebody to throw to right. And the offensive
line isn't a strength, hasn't been a strength, And I
don't know that it's going to get better in this
next off season or drastically better. And I don't know, man,
I think at the end of the day he's back
there at least for another year. Um, but again, six
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months off season, a lot of a lot the things
could go haywire. It's it's really crazy, right, I mean,
this is it's the NBA, the NFL becoming a little
bit like the NBA. Yeah, all these subplots, all these
uh um different sort of interpersonal praying relationships, and with
the advent of social media, a lot of the players
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feeling like I do have my voice and I can
express it in different ways. Um, So yeah, I don't
I don't think it's changing anytime soon. Doug Gotli show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Jason lack camp For is
our guest, what are you hearing in regards to Rob
Gronkowski like that he returns for another season. I still
think at the end of the day, Um, he's played
his last football game. And that was the sense I
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got from numerous people in that organization leading up to
the Super Bowl. Um that for as good as he
felt at the end of the season, Um, he you know,
that's not how he felt in like the middle of November,
and not how he felt around Thanksgiving. And after all,
he's kind of put his body through to this point
in time that you know, he's kind of the same
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doll his pennies. He has other avenues open to him,
and he loves football, but he's you know, your pain
threshold only goes so far, and you know, the prospect
of another back surgery, you know, another knee surgery is
sort of in the back of his mind. So you know,
he wasn't able to attain the thresholds that they set
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up last year that that seemed to be relatively modest
in terms of his incentives. You know, he didn't hit
any of them because he didn't really start feeling like
himself until the end of the year. I think this
is it, Okay, what about fools? Does he end up
with the Jacksonville Jaguars? Where else? I mean, like, I
don't know where else he could end up honestly at
this point, you know, I mean, the Redskins aren't gonna
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pay a thirty year old die twenty million dollars a
year when they're gonna have to give Alex Smith fifty
four million the next to you know, probably to never
play again. Um, Miami is tearing it down and they've
got like six million in cap space. They're gonna be
gutting that roster and building for the future, like they've
got a draft quarterback or take a shot on rating
for Jacoby Brissette or signed Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, Nick Fole,
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he's not gonna be there in two or three years
in all likelihood when maybe they're turning the corner. I mean,
who am I missing? You know what I mean? Like,
it's when you have five go in the first round
last year and then you have three pretty significant trades,
at least two of them, you know that were you
could call more or less blockbusters. And then you've got
a bunch of other playoff quarterbacks signed for big money
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and other teams like there's not there's not the pressing
need this year. I mean, I like what the Giants
are gonna cut? Elions signed Nick Foles, you know what
I mean? Like, what is that? So? Yeah? I think
it's Jacksonville or bust. Let me let want to ask
about Alex Smith. I've heard from from people close to
him that it's not even a consideration really at this
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point that he'll play football again. Isn't there a way
in which they can get cap relief? He has to
declare he's retired, right in order for that to happen. Yeah,
I mean, yes that they could, But I mean they're
probably gonna have to work out some sort of a
Ray samant and I'm sure that they have, uh you know,
insurance will contribute a certain percentage. And but this year
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short term, you know, league year starts March thirteenth. I
don't think it's rectified, you know what I mean by then,
And I don't know that he's going to be you know,
you know, as much as I think he's playing about
this year, you know, the finality of retiring and going
through all that minutia I just mentioned there and filling
it out, all these papers and all these clas I
don't know that he's there mentally either, So I think
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the Redskins are going to have to live with a
degree of uncertainty with that situation, at least through this offseason.
All right, Gonna be fascinated to hear from you after
you go to the combine. The meantime, we appreciate all
your insight, all your info, all your knowledge. Thanks much
for being our guests. Thanks for having me buddy anytime.
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Star Game. I didn't watch much except for highlights and
national anthem, right just because of Fergies national anthem. I
wanted to see how that national anth this national anthem
went down. I just I really struggle with the All
Star Game in the BA, especially because I think what
could be the best of the best of the best
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playing hard instead devolves into hey, here's another alley you pay,
here's another wide open three pointer. You know, like it
doesn't require that much energy to play defense, Like you're
already there, you're already running up and down, you're already
using you're already getting a good little cardio workout. The
idea that no defense is really being offered, Like we're football.
(01:31):
I understand it, like you just you can't play football
without somebody potentially getting seriously hurt. Baseball, I understand it.
You can't throw somebody's arm out there and having pitched
more than an inning or two innings and basebally I
get basketball. I don't, and so I struggle. I haven't
watched well an NBA All Star games since Magic Johnson
hit a fadeaway last time he touched the ball in
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some sort of professional game in the NBA. But they
avoided a complete disaster this weekend. They've had. They had
some pr malfunctions leading up until uh the All Star Game,
most notably Anthony Davis, who seemed to ruin his franchise,
seemed to ruin the Lakers and the Celtics heard all
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three and uh uh and of course the game before
he left for the All Star Game. He's playing the
Oklahoma City Thunder. He hurt his shoulder, left the floor.
Did an m R I Rich Paul's agent just happen
to be there and they leave the RANI instead of
coming back to the bench when there's nothing wrong with
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the shoulder. Don't believe me, there's nothing wrong. Why did
he play in the All Star Game? He's fine? So
uh here here's Anthony Davis when he was asked on
Saturday about this idea that he doesn't want to play
for the Boston Celtics. I don't have a preferred destination,
uh say, I just want to win. You know, they
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actually big Marcus small market. I don't care, you know,
I'm want to win, you know. And obviously whatever team
you know, I get traded to, you know, play for
it that year or whatever. If if I did try,
I'm not sure, but just make the best up and
then you know, we're free to come see what happens.
You know. Um, you know I can't tell the future.
But says all the list, Yeah, all twenty nine team.
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That sounds that sounds like Frank potentially, Remember Frank potentially
and in The Godfather too. Ramos, You're my one guy
who I can count on for movies. You've you've maybe
with Frank potentially godfather to godfather to Yes. Okay, so
Frank pontentially turned state's evidence and he's going to he's
gonna sell out Michael Corleone. And he gets on the
(03:39):
witness stand at the grand jury and all of a sudden,
they had flown in his brother. It's a Sicilian deal
where he fly on fly in his brother. And now
all of a sudden he realizes he can't he can't
turn on the family. Oh oh no, no live waul business,
(04:01):
the olive woul business. They come up right here. All
of a sudden, all of a sudden, completely changed his tune,
which is what happened to Anthony Davis this weekend. He
had gotten the memo that hey, dude, he can't be
and and look there's even if you listen to that cut,
he's like, you know, if I get traded for that year, wait,
well what that year? Yeah? That that that's what he's
(04:23):
telling you. Hey, I'll go anywhere for a year, but
I'm not gonna stay there long term, which means you're
not gonna want to trade for me. But even that,
the All twenty nine teams is a complete bs statement
and everybody knows it, but clear it's pretty obvious that
whether it's his agent or somebody getting to his agent,
most likely the NBA. Hey, dude, you gotta shut this down.
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This is not the way in which we can perform ourselves.
Here's Adam Silver. Over the weekend, you did the State
of the Basketball Union kind of address talking about how
trades and how they're handled in the NBA. I recognize,
and I think it's perfectly appropriate that conversations take place
behind close doors where players where their agents are saying
to management, it's my intention to move on for whatever reasons.
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I think when they make a public spectacle, I hear
you in terms of the enormous media interest that comes
from it, But that's not the kind of media interests
we're looking for. Yeah, listen, this is bad. It's bad
pr it's bad for everybody. It hurts this team and
hurts two other teams. Like we shut this down, talk
about it in private, and in public you put on
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the happy face, which is exactly what Anthony Davis has done,
but only after completely butchering this thing. This from Scott Kushner,
who does a great job covering the Pelicans beat next
week is gonna be weird again. There are people within
the Pelicans who believe A D has played his last
game with franchise. A D has made the perfectly clear
over the weekend he intends to keep playing. The NBA
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didn't clarify its position. So what's the tipping point? What
do you do now? Like, because you can't trade him
because the trade deadline is expired, you don't play him,
so we had to pay him to not play. On
the other hand, the team doesn't seem to want to
function with him because he's not in it to actually win.
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Like the irony to Anthony Davis saying he wants to
go somewhere to where he can win. And I get
that you're frustrated. I completely get that you're frustrated in
what the Pelicans have done to this point in terms
of putting a team around you got it. We fired
Del Dems. We hired Alvin Gentry by the way, a
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couple of years ago because he has a sterling reputation.
We've tried some we signed, we traded for DeMarcus Cousins, Like, well,
it's not for lack of trying. We just haven't pulled
it off. But like, now you got twenty five games,
are so left if you want to win, like you
can actually help but make us a winner. That's it.
You can help make us a winner. I thought they
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avoided for the most part any pr disasters. Was it great? No? No,
not really? Was it terrible? No, it wasn't wasn't terrible.
I mean, somehow, somehow, the NBA has convinced people that
it isn't what it appears to be. Right, Remember two
years ago they talked about, well, we've gotta make some
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massive changes with the NBA All Star Game because they're
not playing any defense. And then you know, we see
at the All Star Game they're shooting too many threes,
they're not playing any defense. And then we see at
the All Star Game, Uh, was it ninety three's taken
by Team Lebron, seventies seven taken by Team Janice? Like
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that wasn't close to being good basketball? And and this
is from somebody who realizes that the talent, the skill
is ridiculous, better than it's ever been in the NBA.
But you can't tell me that ninety three pointers in
a game is a good thing. It's just not. And
the Lebron, you know, picking all those guys that just
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so happened to be potential free agents this offseason. It
is a good thing. And then you got Kevin Durant
winning the m v P, and I think it's kind
of like, it's kind of perfect. I get that the
m v P of the All Star Game doesn't really
mean anything. It just doesn't, you know, like League MVP
means very, means a little, but not a ton. Finals
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MVP means a lot. But now he's won all of them,
and now he's wanting and and he has the way
to do this thing where where when he's around a
bunch of his contemporaries, he wants to make sure everybody knows, like, hey,
I'm the best score out here. When you put the
best of the best out here, I'm actually the best
of the best. But but again, he's doing it for
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Team Lebron, right like and and crazy enough like like Durance,
Durant's desire to play for the Golden State Warriors was
to get a shot at Lebron, to prove he's better
than Lebron. So he goes and does that um in
in some people's mind. In my mind, I thought he
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was the better player in the NBA Finals when it mattered. Um,
some people carry in the well last year wasn't as
good a team, okay, or the year before it wasn't
as good a team. I thought it was actually pretty
close in terms of star power on paper. But okay,
and then you start to wonder, Wait, wouldn't Duran actually
be better off with Lebron James because Lebron wants to
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pass and he wants to score. But he said he
wants no part of Lebron James circus. The whole thing
is fastending. But I thought that somebody got to Anthony
Davis much the way, much the way the cor Leon.
He's got to Frank Pantangelly bo would play for the Celtics. No, no, no,
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who told you that I'll play for the Celtics. I'll
play for the Jazz. No no, no, listen, listen, listen
to me and the Celtics. We go way back. Oh,
I don't know, how do we talk about He didn't
want to sleep with the fishes. That's that's basically what
it is. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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You know what the best way to to handle conflict is. No,
it's it's not go through the third person, um, you know, uh,
you know, go through arbitration. No, it's not go through therapy. No,
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it's not face to face communication. No, it's not text
the text conversation. It's going through social media. I'm kidding,
of course, right, that's Antonio. Antonio Brown wanted his story
out over the weekend over what's really going on? Um?
But this is after liking an Instagram that called Ben
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Roethlisberger a rapist. This is after already posting a video
that he he say goodbye to Pittsburgh. Um. One tweet
was no conflict, just a matter of respect, mutual respect.
He has an owner mentality, like he can call it.
Anybody including coaches, players know that they can't say anything.
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But otherwise the meal ticket gone. It's a dirty game
within the game. Hashtag truth. That's when he was asked
by somebody on Twitter, what caused the conflict between you
and Ben Roethlisberger. No conflict, just a matter of respect. Okay, Well,
if there was no conflict, then there's no matter of respect.
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Or disrespect, and and and I understand the idea that
Ben Roethlisberger is not without blame. I get that Ben
Rothsberger deserves a portion of the blame. But Ben Roethlisberger
did not, nor has he ever, quit on his football team,
left the practice and went a wall before before a
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play in or play out a football game. He did.
And let's also be honest that though Ben can be
a huge pain, and Ben will say some things in
the media which others cannot, he's also won a quarterback
into like Antonio Brown has done this time and again.
He's he's gotten into it with coaches on the sideline,
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he's gotten into it with players on the sideline. And
then you factor in the last time we heard about
Antonio Brown and the Pittsburgh Steelers was when he walked
away from the team and then wanted to show up
on Sunday to play. And so he's gonna he's gonna
meet with the team president, He's gonna meet with Mr Rooney,
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And I think the first thing out of his mouth
if he wants any chance of this being wrapperable, is
to go Happy Gilmore. Remember Happy Gilmore when when Chubb's
when Chubbs had given so much advice too happy, and
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finally Happy came hat in hand and apologized, I'm smart,
you're stupid, right, sounding something like this, I'm stupid, you're smart.
I was wrong, you were right. You're the best, I'm
the worst. You're very good looking, I'm not attractive. There
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you go. Okay, So now that we got that, that's
that's how it has to start. I don't know if
there's coming back from calling your teammate a rapist. I
would guess that's a no. And you can sit here
and go like, well he didn't. He just liked dy,
Come on, dude, there's places you can't go. And if
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i'm if, I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers and I sit down
with him, and he still hasn't apologized to his coach.
He hasn't apologized to his team, let alone apologizing to
Ben Roethlisberger for liking an Instagram or even for not
showing up week of the Bengals game. No apologies there
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start with I'm sorry. It's actually a really good lesson.
Don't you think Ramo's to music from when he gets
when he gets married, like just wake up and go morning, honey.
I'm sorry. What are you sorry for I don't know,
I'm gonna do something that's gonna take you off today,
So I just sorry. That's um, eighteen years in the business,
in the marriage business, it's a good way. You just
start out to day with it. I'm sorry because you're
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gonna say or do somethings do but it's kind of
kind of kind of part of the deal. I appreciate
the heads up there, Doug. It's always good to try
and be a little bit ahead of the curve as
opposed to behind it. No question, no, no question. Um okay.
So then it comes down to is it can you
repair this relationship? And my guess is you can't. I
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think it's interesting on how both he and Levy on
Bell are in these kind of weird precarious Hey, the
world has changed. The world has changed. I said this
last week about Zion Williamson. Where Zion Williamson fifteen years ago,
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I don't know if there's nearly the adoration from NBA
scouts like there is now because Zi Williamson fifteen years
ago is an undersized power forward who can't guard centers.
Now he's the perfect small ball center. Like NBA game
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has changed that much in fifteen years, and it's worked.
The world has worked in his favor. Tim Duncan. I
don't know how Tim Duncan um. I don't know how
Tim Duncan fits in this NBA. He wasn't He's a
low post player, a low post to high post score.
What would he evolve? I guess, But he was around
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late in the NBA and he didn't evolve into being
a perimeter face up shooters, like wasn't his game. He
became a center and he's never been a guy who
moves that great latterly, So how would he fair with
how the teams play now? I'm not I'm guessing not great.
So he got out at the right time, Levian Bell
holding out, losing out on fourteen million dollars when when
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teams are showing that they can they're better off with
multiple running backs and the team that paid their running
back a year early, and Todd Gurley couldn't use him
enough in the Super Bowl because either he wasn't healthy
or c. J. Anderson was just a better option, or
maybe a little bit of both. Well maybe one to
get the other. Levian Bell is sitting out there thinking
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fifteen years ago, he gets paid now, and we're coming
off a Super Bowl where though the New England Patriots
tried to get an elite talented wide receiver and they
couldn't get it done, and they still found a way
to win without one, Like, hey, we can win without you,
and winning is actually more important than the stats that
Antonio Brown puts up. I'm mean, I know he's not
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Dez Bryant, but the idea that Dez Bryant was out
of work for much of this year shows you what
people think about these alpha wide receivers who think they're
more important than they actually are. Like, the league is
screaming to you, we're changing, get on board. The Giants
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have O'Dell Beckham Jr. And they've thought about trading him.
What's that tell you? But he he should start the
conversation with I'm sorry, I was wrong, and in addition
to which at the same time he has a conversation
with Mr Rooney saying I'm sorry I was wrong. There
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should be at least a text, it's not a phone
conversation previously that with Mike Tomlin and Frankly, at least
a text to Ben Roethlisberger, Hey, my bad, dude, this
thing spiraled out of control. I was just trying to
get out of town. But I only I want to apologize,
maybe not for anything else, but for how I acted
week seventeen. I was really upset, but I shouldn't have
I shouldn't have gone a wall from the team. Until
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you start there, there can be no conver could be
no legitimate conversation. This idea that two or three wrongs
somehow make his wrong or right. That's the most immature
thing of all of them. Be sure to catch live
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Sports Interact and follow him on Twitter as well. Jason,
what are you hearing in regards to Kyler Murray and
how much you have to kind of build a fit
around him in order to get the most out of him? Yeah,
(18:46):
I mean, look um, he may not be everybody's cup
of tea for the reasons of height and for you know,
the offense that he comes out of, but you know,
there There's a dude not terribly larger than him from
that exact same system who you know, pretty much put
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the league on its ear the second half of the season.
And I don't know that he comes in and does
with Baker Mayfield did, but I think you're looking at
guys coaches who even even haven't even had that much
success from that system now running NFL teams, and you're
seeing more and more mobile quarterbacks playing sooner than people expected.
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You're seeing Lamar Jackson come in and save a team season,
save a coach's job, get a team that was floundering
at four and five to a division title. I mean,
albeit in an unconventional manner um and maybe in a
way that's not totally sustainable. But Kyler Murray's done a
lot more in the pocket than I think Lamar Jackson
had done at a similar instance in time. So and
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this was not a kid who you saw getting plays
blown up at the line of scrimmage left and right.
He didn't have a high rate of balls being knocked down.
He did have a high completion percentage from the pocket. Um, Again,
these guys are an anomaly. Fran Tarkington, Drew Brees, Russell, Wilson,
Doug Flutey, and I know this guy is more fluty
(20:14):
than even Breeze, but he's gonna be he's young, he's
gonna be incredibly cheap. You're going to control him for
five years plus two franchise tags. I think he's going
in the top half of the first round, and it
may be via trade and maybe somebody moving up ahead
of the Giants at six. Not that I think he's
necessarily a fit for the Giants, but I think you
might have to go on the top five when it's
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all said and done to get him. Okay, what about
the Cardinals, Um, where are they with Josh Rosen, a
guy who it's easy to watch him throw and go like,
oh yeah, that's an NFL quarterback. But for whatever reason,
and Jason, I've said this back when he was in
college and into the draft, like you got to you
go to St. John Bosco where he played and started
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in high school, you go to u C. L A
and the multiple coordinators, and you go now to the
Airs and Cardinals, and for whatever reason, nobody walks away
from Josh rose To going, man, I love that guy.
I love that guy. No one has that feeling where
are the Cardinals in their level of of love and
attraction to their former first round draft pick. I think
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they are um of a mindset where they want to
get out of one. I think, above and beyond all loss,
they don't picking at one. I mean both Quinn and Williams.
Whomever they take their is not going to turn that
franchise around overnight. They need um, multiplicity, they need they
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need quality, but they also need volume. Um. They need
to fix themselves at the point of attack on both
sides of the ball. They need skill position players. They
need defensive backs. Uh. You know, they've got a pass rusher,
and I guess they've got a running back, although I
don't know what they were doing with him last year,
and they don't have a whole lot else. So I
think that they realized that you can't just punt every
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you know, every six months, like they hired a coach,
gave him no chance to succeed, the punked it on
him after a season. Keep all the decision makers in place,
give the decision makers more power than ever. Hire a
particular coach with a very minimal skill set. I mean,
he was not an effective head coach in college. I
guess he was an effective coordinator in college, although it's
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not like he let the world on fire with Patrick Mahomes.
And I think there's a sense now that, okay, let's
see what we have in Josh rosen Um. If they
take Kyler Murray first, first overall, they're gonna get pennies
on the dollar for rosen Um. It be a cell
low proposition. And they just moved up to ten a
year ago. These are that. It's it's still a bid Wells,
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it's still Steve Khin. If they have that little conviction
and how they run their football team, they probably shouldn't
be running it. So I think their primary objective is
to get out of one and let somebody else go
up there for a particular defensive player or in their
preference for a quarterback, because if they're not taking a quarterback,
then that's somebody who wasn't gonna come off their board anyway. Um.
But I think to evaluate rosen under those circumstances, you
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fired the question. You fired his first coordinator like six
weeks into his career. You guys paid Bradford and Glenn
and all that money to stink so that you had
to go to this kid under reverse circumstances when you're
not running the ball, you don't have an offensive line,
and now you've got a first time play caller. I mean,
at some point they got to look within and realize
it's not these this individual or that individual. It took
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us collectively to get to this point where we're picking
first overall. No, I'm I'm I'm with you. Uh, I
would like look Mahomes in fairness, like Mahomes through for
five thousand fifty two yards, lad lead the lead the
country in passing. So I mean, I'm I'm a little
bit more in the Kingsbury. Kingsbury had more success, uh
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than Kingsberry was better than that. I think the record
would There's a lot. Here's here's what I'll tell you.
The reason, same reason that college coaches struggle, that great
college coaches recognise struggle in the pros is the same
reason I think he could do it, because coaching in
the pros is just about coaching. It ain't about recruiting,
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it ain't about donors, it ain't about anything else. Just
can you and then can you hire the people around
you to coach the parts that you don't know to coach?
Is that a fair thing right, because otherwise we're gonna
find out. We're going to find out. I mean I
can remember them going up to Iowa State and getting
skull dragged in like Patrick Mahomes second or third to
last game in college, you know, I mean, my home's
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got a red shirt ear got coached up by Kafka
and Reid and then set the world on fire. I mean,
I don't know. I mean, how how much credit am
I going to give Cliff Kingsbury for that? I I
don't know. I think we'll find out what does he
do with Rosen or if they take this risk on Murray? Um?
You know, I'll just say this. I can remember the
forty nine is a few years ago, hiring a guy
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on the defensive side of the ball, and nobody else
would have hired as a head coach in a million
years over empowering him and then blowing him out after
a year, and then going the other way and making
a massive play for Chip Kelly and then blowing him
out after a year. I smell a little bit of
that here. But we'll say, yeah, no, you're right that
the lack of decisive this lack of conviction, Um, your
(25:16):
your what is it? From Star Wars, like your your
lack of faith, your lack of faith. Um, I gotta
think I'm not the guy. I thank you, thank you.
One knows your lack of faith is disturbing. Jason Lock
in Florida joining us on the Doug Gottlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's get to Antonio Brown. Um.
(25:41):
Mr Rooney's gonna go down and meet with him. But
he goes on like a hey, let's let me tell
you what the truth is here on Twitter, and he
puts the blame on on Ben Roethlisberger. How does that
go over in NFL circles? I mean, everybody in that
building knows he doesn't like to coach and he doesn't
the quarterback. And I've been reporting it since the fallout
(26:03):
in week seventeen, and actually reported it way back in
week two or three when he won a wall. Actually
reported it way back in July, the first week of camp,
when they told him you can't have your own photographer,
you can't have your own nutritionis on the field during
training camp, you can't have your own social media guy
running around the sidelines. Those dudes gotta go. And he's like, oh, really,
(26:24):
Mike Tomlin after all I've done for you. And then
he went M I A to Pittsburgh for a couple
of days and they said he had an injury. He
wasn't hurt. He had Bruce feelings, so he and then
you know, he didn't feel like, Um, he felt like
Ben got too much control of this offense and that
the offensive coordinators too tight to Ben and with Ben
and Ben can change whatever he wants to the line
of scrimmage. And you know this is Ben's offense and
(26:44):
not our offense. And you know we get the blame,
but Ben doesn't. So that stuff's been festering for a while. UM.
So I don't think he put anything on Twitter that that.
You know, the Rooneys weren't well aware of that. Tomlin
wasn't well aware of that. Kevin Colbert wasn't well aware
of Can they build this Ridge? I I tend to
think not. And he still really doesn't want to be there.
And I don't know that he's going to show near
(27:06):
enough contrition for what it would take for this ownership
group to say this isn't additioned by subtraction to some degree. Um.
But it is a long off season. Two you know,
and and we'll see that no one they have people
have been burning up their phone lines yet. But I
think most people are also just waiting to get to
the combine in nine days, when everybody's going to be
in this relatively small town for five six days, and
(27:28):
that's when things usually get done. But I don't know
that they're able to put this genie back in the bottle. Um, Okay,
what about Odell Beckham Jr. Like, now there's there's this
there's this story that they were going to trade him
last year or thinking about treating him last year. Then
the Patriots were interested in They're like, wait a second,
Patriots knows something we don't know. Um continued kind of
(27:51):
discuss Jay Glazer put it in there that his bold
prediction was that he'd be moved. What are you hearing
in regards to Odell Beckham Junior. The possibility that before
his big money knew a deal kicks in, he's moved
this offseason. I don't know how they get around a
pretty decisive cap hit. I mean, I I don't know.
(28:13):
I mean it would take a real chunk out of
their ability to do anything else. I don't think they
would be trading from a position to strength if they
did it, and I mean anything had happened. Wayne Gretzky
was traded. The owner came out last year publicly and said, hey,
I might have to move on from this guy, you
know when that tape came out. So it's not it's
(28:35):
not happy happy joy joy there. Um. But I also
know if they do draft a quarterback, he's gonna have
to have somebody to throw to right. And the offensive
line isn't a strength, hasn't been a strength, And I
don't know that it's going to get better in this
next off season or drastically better. And I don't know, man,
I think at the end of the day he's back
there at least for another year. Um, but again, six
(28:58):
months off season, a lot of a lot the things
could go haywire. It's it's really crazy, right, I mean,
this is it's the NBA, the NFL becoming a little
bit like the NBA. Yeah, all these subplots, all these
uh um different sort of interpersonal praying relationships, and with
the advent of social media, a lot of the players
(29:18):
feeling like I do have my voice and I can
express it in different ways. Um, So yeah, I don't
I don't think it's changing anytime soon. Doug Gotli show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Jason lack camp For is
our guest, what are you hearing in regards to Rob
Gronkowski like that he returns for another season. I still
think at the end of the day, Um, he's played
his last football game. And that was the sense I
(29:39):
got from numerous people in that organization leading up to
the Super Bowl. Um that for as good as he
felt at the end of the season, Um, he you know,
that's not how he felt in like the middle of November,
and not how he felt around Thanksgiving. And after all,
he's kind of put his body through to this point
in time that you know, he's kind of the same
(30:00):
doll his pennies. He has other avenues open to him,
and he loves football, but he's you know, your pain
threshold only goes so far, and you know, the prospect
of another back surgery, you know, another knee surgery is
sort of in the back of his mind. So you know,
he wasn't able to attain the thresholds that they set
(30:20):
up last year that that seemed to be relatively modest
in terms of his incentives. You know, he didn't hit
any of them because he didn't really start feeling like
himself until the end of the year. I think this
is it, Okay, what about fools? Does he end up
with the Jacksonville Jaguars? Where else? I mean, like, I
don't know where else he could end up honestly at
this point, you know, I mean, the Redskins aren't gonna
(30:43):
pay a thirty year old die twenty million dollars a
year when they're gonna have to give Alex Smith fifty
four million the next to you know, probably to never
play again. Um, Miami is tearing it down and they've
got like six million in cap space. They're gonna be
gutting that roster and building for the future, like they've
got a draft quarterback or take a shot on rating
for Jacoby Brissette or signed Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, Nick Fole,
(31:03):
he's not gonna be there in two or three years
in all likelihood when maybe they're turning the corner. I mean,
who am I missing? You know what I mean? Like,
it's when you have five go in the first round
last year and then you have three pretty significant trades,
at least two of them, you know that were you
could call more or less blockbusters. And then you've got
a bunch of other playoff quarterbacks signed for big money
(31:24):
and other teams like there's not there's not the pressing
need this year. I mean, I like what the Giants
are gonna cut? Elions signed Nick Foles, you know what
I mean? Like, what is that? So? Yeah? I think
it's Jacksonville or bust. Let me let want to ask
about Alex Smith. I've heard from from people close to
him that it's not even a consideration really at this
(31:45):
point that he'll play football again. Isn't there a way
in which they can get cap relief? He has to
declare he's retired, right in order for that to happen. Yeah,
I mean, yes that they could, But I mean they're
probably gonna have to work out some sort of a
Ray samant and I'm sure that they have, uh you know,
insurance will contribute a certain percentage. And but this year
(32:07):
short term, you know, league year starts March thirteenth. I
don't think it's rectified, you know what I mean by then,
And I don't know that he's going to be you know,
you know, as much as I think he's playing about
this year, you know, the finality of retiring and going
through all that minutia I just mentioned there and filling
it out, all these papers and all these clas I
don't know that he's there mentally either, So I think
(32:28):
the Redskins are going to have to live with a
degree of uncertainty with that situation, at least through this offseason.
All right, Gonna be fascinated to hear from you after
you go to the combine. The meantime, we appreciate all
your insight, all your info, all your knowledge. Thanks much
for being our guests. Thanks for having me buddy anytime.
Thank you
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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