November 10, 2025 • 53 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the news that the Giants have fired Brian Daboll as their head coach, and the impact Russell Wilson has on a football team.
On this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they hated most and loved most over the weekend.
Doug welcomes former Chargers General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show to get his thoughts on Brian Daboll's firing, the Steelers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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a beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin. This is interesting, right, I mean,
we're doing a lot of firsts here. Right. I'm the
first Division one men's hed basketball coach to have a
Nashal radio show, and this is the first time we've
ever done a show after we've won a game. Granted
we didn't win many games last year. Guys, Okay, so
there is that issue with it. We're like, wow, we
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haven't done when you went up Dames last year to
do it. But we had a game today. It was
an education day where you know, has four thousand screaming
children in attendance. As enjoyable as that may sound. As
enjoyable as that may sound, we end up getting getting
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the win, so it was good. Meanwhile, it's so It's
an interesting thing right where Jay Stu is texting me
story updates while the game is in progress. And thankfully
I did not have my phone on me, so it's
not like buzzing. But I do have the news of
the day and we'll get to it. And then the
news of the night is tonight lambeau Field Monday Night football,
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Packers Eagles, big time game and what again at this
point in the season, could be forecasting for a playoff matchup,
which would be a playoff rematch, So a million different
little things to get to. Congrats to Dan Byer's Seattle
Seahawks with a dominating win yesterday. And congrats to Jay
Stu and my LA Chargers they get a big win
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on Sunday Night football that we'll get to. But the
news of the day is Brian Dabole is out out
with the New York Football Giants. Day Ball was asked
yesterday after the game about his job security. Here was
his response.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Pretty worried about your job at too many?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, I'm just focused on you know, these guys in
the locker room. You know they're tough losses, Dan, they
really are. Everybody puts so much into it. The coach
has put so much into it. The players, you know,
and it's painful when you have when you have these endings,
you know, you stick together and you know that's what
that's what you have to do.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Uh. Here's the statement from John Mara, the chairman and
chairman Steve Tish in a joint statement quote, we spoke
this morning about the direction of our franchise on the field.
We decided that this time, at this time, it's in
our best interest to make a change in the head
coaching musician. The past few seasons have been nothing short
of disappointing. We have not met our expectations for the franchise.
We understand the franestation of our fans in order to
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deliver a significantly improved product. We appreciate coach day Ball
for his contributions to organization. We wish Coach day Ball
and his family the best in the future. Joe Shane,
who's their general manager, said, we feel like Joe has
assembled a good young nucleus of talent. We look forward
to its development. Unfortunately, the results over the past three
years have not been what any of us want. We
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take full responsibility for those results. We look forward to
the kind of success the fans expect. I always love
when a general manager say, hey, we take full accountability
for it. So he's fired. H oh, sorry that that
was the owner statement on Joel Shane. So yeah. I mean, look,
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I get that those losses are devastating. I don't think
he lost his job because of this year. It's really
interesting people's inability to process when they have had Cam Scattabo,
they were the talk of the league. He breaks his
ankle and suddenly everybody forgot the energy that they had
had when they put Jackson, Dart and Scattab and installed
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them in their backfield. Again. I'm just gonna I'm gonna
disagree with this move. And I understand that somebody says, well,
you're a coach, your team struggling, so you don't want
to see any coach fired. It's not the case in
the NFL especially. I don't understand what this What does
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this do for you right? Like doesn't get you ahead
of the curve with free agents, doesn't put you ahead
of the curve with trying to find a new coach,
Like there's nobody who you want who's not going to
be on the market and be available once you get
into January. This just feels a lot like the Jets,
overreactive to fans and their desires. He's the same coach
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who engineered the upset of the Philadelphia Eagles. I don't
think any of us had great expectations of the Giants,
and when you have the level of injuries that they've had,
I don't know what anybody expects of them. So again,
if you want to look at it and go, oh, well, hey,
they didn't win yesterday and they lost and devastating fashion
to the Bears who came back and beat him late,
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it's fair, okay, But what were your expectations? Where are
you in your development? Remember the Bears had this same
type of season last year when they had a rookie quarterback.
You have a rookie quarterback, you've been just besieged by injuries.
It may not be good enough for you, but I
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don't I guess here's my thing, Dan Byer, I don't
understand if Brian Daboll is the guy to work with quarterbacks,
and you draft a quarterback and you've seen some good
production out of a rookie quarterback, then why would you
put another voice in the rookie quarterback's ear at this
point in time or even in the next year. That
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part I don't understand well.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I think that they considering the name Mike Kafka as
the interim head coach. I think that that has a
little something to do with where they think Jackson Dart's
development could continue if he stays healthy.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
And that's another point.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
As he's knocked out of yesterday's game and Russell Wilson
comes in and does nothing and the Bears come back
from a ten point deficit and rally and get the win,
there seems to be an enormous disconnect. But you can't
ignore the numbers of day bole. They just have won
eleven games since the first season he took over. They
were a nine win team. They went to the playoffs,
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they beat the Vikings, and then they lost to the
Eagles in the divisional round. But since that point they've
won eleven games total. It's the third straight year they're
two to eight, and no matter how great things have
been with Jackson Dart, at some point a change needs
to be made. And I don't know if Joe Shane
is the ear of John Marra and the other ownership
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the Tish family in terms of making that decision. But
I noticed on TikTok over the last week or so,
there was a lot of anti Joe Shane rhetoric coming out,
and so there almost seems doug to be a divide
even between Joe Shane and Brian Dabele. So Daboll ends
up being the fall guy. That's maybe cleasier with all
of it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But I think that I don't think there's any I
don't know there's any question that if Joel Shane still
has a job and Brian Dabole doesn't, that there's a
disconnect between the two of them. And again, I'm my
my point continues to be and I get it. You
give Kafka, I guess a little bit of a look here,
but you know this is not that different from what
we saw with Penn State, Like, well, what did you
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expect when Russell Wilson takes over and you know you've
had the level of injuries that they've had. I don't know. Again,
you can make a change. I'm not saying you can't
make coaching changes. I don't understand the mid season coaching change.
I don't get that. And you could say, well, he's
had enough seasons, enough time, like Okay, what do we
do here? When you bring in and you change coaches
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out mid season, you're giving Kafka a chance to be
a head coach. He's still just going to call the
call the offense. It's not really going to change that much.
A little bit of a different voy.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
What is interesting with Kafka though, is he has interviewed
for head coaching jobs in the NFL before, right, So
it's not out of nowhere that he would take over
and maybe this could be the position. It's also funny
that it feels like it's the second coach that Russell
Wilson has gotten fired.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That was that was the next part I was getting
to was happen in Denver? Right, happened in Denver, and
and it happens here, And it's I mean, that's that's
really the part. The common denominator there. He's just not
any good. And it's not just that he's not any good.
And again, you're gonna experience this on any team you cover,
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any team, you you watch, any team you're a part of,
which is there are guys that are competent at their position,
or at their job, or at their role, but other
guys just don't like them right. For whatever reason, they
just and especially at quarterback, it just feels like when
Russell Wilson trots out there, everybody rolls their eyes. Yeah,
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here we go again.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
There was a scenario in yesterday's game, and I know
Packer's played a night. I don't know if Giants Bears
was the local game in Green Bay, but there was
a scenario in the game yesterday where the Giants were
facing a goal to go situation and on first and
goal from the seven, they gave it to Devon Singletary
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who got it down to the Chicago one. So now
your second and goal at the one and a seventeen
to ten ballgame. They gave it to Devin Singletary again,
he lost the yard, so now it's third and goal
at the two. Then Russell Wilson ran for his life
scrambling got it back to the one, third and goal
on that third goal, so now it's fourth and goal
and they kicked a nineteen yard field.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Goal to go up ten.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Most teams probably would have gone for it in that situation,
but the Giants. For what the Bears had done offensively
up to that point, they had only scored ten points.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
It was a windy.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Day in Chicago, but they ended up kicking the field
goal that maybe gave Chicago life and the rest is history.
Fourteen unanswered and the Bear's leave with a win. So
we had Pam Oliver on our Sunday show yesterday. She
did the sideline. She said, the air was absolutely taken
out of the Giants when Jackson Dart went out with
the concussion.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yep. And that's the thing about Russell Wilson. And that's honestly,
I can't believe they haven't gone to Jameis Winston, you know,
because Jameis Winston, though he can be a turnover machine,
there's an energy that he brings that you have to
have when you come in as a backup, and Russell
does not have that. When Russell Wilson comes in, it's
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a Debbie downer. Everybody rolls their eyes. Oh boy, here
we go.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And this is what the Giants did, Okay, after they
were able to get the to get a stop. When
Russell Wilson is in the contest, they end up running
the ball on consecutive plays Doug second in first and
ten five yards second and ten holding penalty backs him
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up second and twenty tyrone Tracy five yards, third and
fifteen from the Chicago thirty eight yard line. Five yards.
They just ran the ball up ten. Then the Bears
went and answered with their two touchdown drives. They were
unwilling to let Russell Wilson throw the football or do
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anything with the football tea.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Because it's pretty obvious that he can't do it. And
that's why there's these collective eye rolling, you know, I mean,
it just is. I mean, I have nothing against the guy.
I don't know him. We've had no negative interactions. I'm
just telling you that I had heard obviously it's he's
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really got the weirdest career ever, right, Because the perfect
example of it is, can you recall a team Dan
in your twenty five years, Jay stew you're the same,
We've all been in this thing combined seventy five plus years, right.
Can you recall a player who is the quarterback of
a team that won the Super Bowl another team that
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lost in the Super Bowl that was perennially dominant that
I haven't ever heard a former Seahawk come out and
go that's my guy. Hey, you guys are being critical.
He was awesome when he's in Seattle. Nobody nobody like
for all the and we all agree that Aaron Rodgers
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was better at his peak and his better quarterback. But
for all of Aaron Rodgers haters out there, Aaron Rodgers
has all those guys that played with him before would
love to play with him again. Don't see that from
Russell Wilson. It's the weirdest career ever that no one
is excited about Russell Wilson being the quarterback of their team.
No one is excited about him coming into his back,
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Like can you imagine if you're on the Giants. Think
about this for a second. You're on the Giants and
your quarterback goes down, Like, all right, who are you
going to next? How about a guy who's been you know,
probably a Hall of Famer, won a Super Bowl, been
in another one, perennially top ten quarterback in the league.
He comes trot again. You would think normally everybody be like, hey,
we got Russell Wilson, We're good. And it's the exact
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opposite of that. From play callers to overall mojo to feeling,
it's the weirdest career I can possibly think of.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
What up but you? Dog gott Leaf Show, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. I hope you're having
a great day. The Doug gott Leap Show broadcast live
every single day. I'm in Green Bay there in Sherman Oaks, California.
We're just here, four guys who love sports. Been working
together for a long time talking about football, occasionally basketball,
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sport not really baseball, crazy, college football weekend, weird NFL weekend,
some college hoops this weekend as well. A lot to
get to Buyer is a Seahawks fan, So you got
the dub. Jay stew and I Big Charger fans. We
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got the dub. Last night, Sam suffered through a really
really tough loss as an Iowa Hawka fan. That's Saturday night,
but still fun game at Kiddick. So we got a
lot to draw it in terms of what we'd like
to do. Just kind of an update for this hour,
preve you Monday night football. I am going to the
game tonight, Cold Lambeau game. This is one that everybody
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kind of checks their boxes. This is the one that
I got season tickets. I'm going to this one. You'll
see your boy potentially with a Lambeau leap because I
got Lambeau leap seats. I'm the one with the big schnage.
But I'll be covered up so you might only see
my nose and my eyes nothing else. It is a
brisk twenty eight degrees with twenty five milen hour gusts,
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which means it's really really cold, really cold. Well with that,
let's get to love and hate.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
God? I love you?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
These player Hays.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Dann Bayer, What do you got, buddy?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I do need to make this point because there was
a possibility that we were going to be in Green
Bay broadcasting the show as a crew.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
That did not happen.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
When I texted Jason what the forecast was going to be,
Jason played it off like no big deal. You were
you were ready for the elements, Jason Stewart, Right, experience.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I like to experience what that place is known for.
So if I go to a restaurant or something, I'll
get the one thing that they're known for.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I went to London for my only trip across overseas.
I went to London and it was sunny for four
days and it rained and was foggy. On the fifth
day I played. I played hooky is that the word?
From work? On the fifth day and I just walked
around listening to the Smiths and had Morey serenading me
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through fog and depressing rain. And that was my favorite
day in London.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So if I go to Green Bay, I want it
to be freezing temperature.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah yeah, I mean, like, look, we you would have
lucked out, like it's November's hit or miss in terms
of cold. Here's what I'm gonna offer up to you guys. Okay,
December twenty seventh. December twenty seventh.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Can't do it?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, because of Christmas.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, my cousin's actually coming out because he wants to
go to a Chargers game. So I'm hoping that gets
flex to a Saturday contest.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
But who do they? Who do the Packers play in
the twenty sevens Ravens?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So I think by then the Ravens will be fighting
for a playoff spot, right Yeah? Games with Lamar back,
so that that's the next one. I'm not I'm traveling
for the rest of you. Guys. Should come out anytime
you want. I'll get tickets. You stay at my house.
You're all good to go use my car, don't care.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Let's do this the Chargers Texans on the twenty seventh.
Get four tickets for Dan and his cousin Jacob and me,
and if we can get the that sweet deal.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I don't worry about it. No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Worry about you. Guys need sweets.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Have Doug hit his contact up and we'll ride it
in luxury.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Okay, Tonight it's a Gold Package game as well, so
the Milwaukee fans will be there.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It just won't be as loud.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Hey, just kill an argument I had with a buddy
last night. There's three Milwaukee games every year, right.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yes, there's one preseason and two regular season.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Oh I thought there's three regular seasons. He was right.
I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Because my family has relatives have the Green Package.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Green Package sup here in Green Bay Packages. If you're
in a miwak Milwaukee, Milwaukeekean, Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Ken, Milwaukeean something like that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
What kin all right? Actually it's pronounced Meliwaukee. There you go,
which is Algonquin for the good Land. Ah. I love that.
What do you got there? I was saying, what'd you
love from the weekend?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I think we skipped over Dan Well. I'll just say this.
Doug mentioned Jonathan Taylor earlier today. He also is on
my fantasy team. What a show in Berlin. I got
up to watch that game because he wasn't my fantasy team.
He was absolutely magnificent, including adding on the touchdown in overtime,
which I know ruined some things for others because the
Colts won by six. But what a magnificent day for
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Jonathan Taylor and the Colts, specifically for Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I hate myself when it comes to these players, like
I I really am jealous of people that own Jonathan Taylor,
Like I get pissed off at myself for not drafting him.
But I was in the same boat last year with
Saquon Barkway, And if you think about it, their careers
are very similar. They're a great when they're healthy and
they've just been you never know when they're not injured.
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Jonathan Taylor is like a top three fantasy pick a
couple of years, then he's a second rounder. Sa Quon
Barkley the same deal. It's just it's frustrating when these
guys hit big on the year, you don't drop them.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Here's the other thing, a lot of leagues are PPR,
so they're like, well, Taylor isn't as much of a
factor out of the backfield to say, like you know,
Devon a Chan might be so he slips a little bit,
but when you're rushing for that much and he did catch,
he has been a decent out of the backfield, giving
some bonus. But that also plays into it. It's ridiculous,
but it does with some people's rankings.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
All right, Sam, okay, go ahead, you get your your
pound of flish.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
So Dan brought up Jonathan Taylor's incredible two hundred plus
yard performs there in Germany. I love I love broadcasts
in any sport in any other language but English. Let's
listen to a Jonathan Taylor touchdown in German from two
years ago. Sausage pan and as on Taylor Taylor lifety
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right now.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's a touch shown sex sy Ferny Colts.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
How about how about how about the football Night in
America had a little, uh, little package Jonathan Taylor a
little ramshean underneath.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Oh yeah, sounds a lot better when they do it, dozig.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
That is so good.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
And then actually here's uh, here's a very fun uh,
little clip from a broadcast between the Saints and the
Falcons from two years ago.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Oh, deception.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Deception is to follow on every born.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
The Germans, So you think that's funny.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
I also found an Illinois football in Illinois fighting a
lie and I call from I've had this since twenty
nineteen in Mandarin.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Here we go, Joe, you.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Find Paul and one more.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh my god, let me.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I have no idea what they're saying. I have no
idea how they find these guys. They speak the language fluently,
and they're also fans of American football. But those are
fun and I love the Germans and they're laughing.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
The Germans were having such a cool time. Was this
American German ball? The Germans?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
All right?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Thank you guys?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Do do did do? Jase do?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Let me left on the weekend, real fast, Just a
live tweet Marrow guy twenty eight? Did you really have
to play the last four cuts in the farm language?
I will say this, There's only one reason I'm a
Chargers fan. Only one reason. It's my son Jacob. He's
the biggest fan I know. He went to the game
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last night, sent me a text saying that it was
like seventy five percent Steeers fans. He was one of
the one of the few that were rooting for the
Chargers last night at so Far and they pulled it
out and he was happy. And when he's happy, I'm happy.
So I love that Chargers win.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Jacob's happy, Charge's win and happy. Uh okay, Mine's pretty easy,
to be honest with you, That's something I love from
the weekend. I just I really really love watching one
game this weekend above us. Did you guys see what
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old misshead coach Lane Kiffin did? There was a propose
on the field like before the fourth quarter, right and
like Lane kiffn midgame, goes over and like shakes the
guy's hand, talks to him afterwards. It kind of gives
him an out of boy. Just, I don't know what
happened to Lane Kiffin. He was so obnoxious early on
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his career and now he's become like the most likable
dude ever, you know, talking about his daughter's boyfriend, his
own relationship post divorce. He's just very at peace with
himself at ole Miss. I mean, here's the guy who
you know, failed up after getting fired by the Raiders,
leaves Tennessee after one year goes to sc right the
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whole thing. But I don't know. I just really like
where Lane Kiffin is. I think it's fun to watch him.
And if you watch that interaction, that was magnificent. During
the Old Miss.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Game, Ole Miss beat the Citadel forty nine to the
Council is an overall win, obviously a non conference game.
They had five first downs. Citadel did in the head
ball for thirty two minutes. The starting quarterback had stats
that look like he plays quarterback for Wisconsin. He was
three of six for twenty three yards. That's that's what
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the Citadel. That's why you can take pictures with the
newly engaged when the Citadel comes to town and has
five first downs in the entire contest.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Okay, I'll give you another one. How about Wisconsin's win
against Wow Washington, Right, Luke Fickel, everybody thought dead man walking.
They decide, hey, we're going We're running it back for
one more year. He had four different players throw a
pass in the game, like they're just trying new quarterback,
new quarterback Carter Smith. I think Carter Smith, you know,
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as a freshman they won a game with their leading
passer was three of twelve. They were six of eighteen
with forty eight yards throwing the football and one and
one in the old find a Way. Wisconsin found away
rewarded their coach, who rewarded the athletic department with with
giving him another year to try and run this thing back.
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That was a hell of If you can win with
forty eight yards passing, I tip my captain.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Sean West is their punter. I don't know if he
became the first ever or first in a long time
to lead his team in rushing and in passing in
a gameless season. He had twenty the most that they
had on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's amazing. I love it. I love sports.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
All right, let's get to what can I ask real quick?
Coach Fickle, he got like the vote of confidence. I
mean like they had to show some improvement. But he
think once he had that vote of confidence, he was like,
all right, let's just go win one because like if
they just if they just didn't win any games the
rest of the year, man, that's just gonna be hard
to start next year. But this is this definitely lights
a fire under their butts. A ranked win, yeah, ranked win,
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A win period at home.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
The fifth quarter, I'm sure was rocking in mad Town.
All right, let's get to what we hated from the weekend.
Our resident hater is Jason Stewart. What do you got? Jay?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Got an email yesterday. I think I'm on record saying
that I've been a YouTube TV subscriber since before it
was cool. I cut the court early, I think in
twenty eighteen, been a subscriber ever since. So this kind
of puts it in even a more harsh context. Hi, Jason,
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We've been working in good faith and negotiat a deal
with Disney that pays them fairly for their content and
returns their programming to YouTube TV. We know it's been
disappointing to lose Disney content. We want to know how
deeply appreciative we are of your patients, and right of that,
we're offering you subscribers a twenty dollars credit. Twenty dollars credit. Now,
(26:38):
now you could argue, like what is that? How do
they come to that number? Like what how do they
measure that twenty bucks is enough to keep customers happy
through this very frustrating time without insulting them. So you
could argue that point, But here's the real insulting point.
Over the next few days, you will receive a follow
up email with instructiontions on how to redeem your twenty
(27:03):
dollars credit. So, in other words, I'm gonna have to
do the work to get my credit. I don't get
ESPN or ABC or my Jeopardy, and you're gonna make
me do the work to give me a credit your Google,
you are worth trillions of dollars. I'm guessing as a
part of your business model, you are able to refund
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twenty dollars without me going through an extra step put
it on the bill. This is insulting and for the
first time in my career as a YouTube TV subscriber,
I'm considering ending my relationship. We are not going to
get Monday night football again tonight. This is the first
(27:47):
time in the history of these negotiations, whether it's Comcast
or direct TV, where two Monday night football games have
been put in jeopardy. To me, this is a bridge
too far. It is a problem when two trillion dollar
mega corporations are squabbling at the inconvenience and the actually
(28:13):
the torture. I'm going to go that far use torture
of their consumers. It's not acceptable.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
As hell, and I'm not trying to take this anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Paid that to me and his man's money? Damn by
what what?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
No reaction to that? Well, I have to watch the
game here YouTube TV subscribers among the four of us reaction,
I will be watching the game tonight.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I'll immediately change the channel and I'll flip back direct
TV in the house.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, it's the only reason I have. The only reason
I have YouTube TV is red Zone and multiview. That's it,
and I'm good with it. I'm good with moving on
if that's if that's the thing, Like I don't, I'm
my problem with it. Jay stu Is, I actually see
the argument, right, actually see the argument on either side.
(29:11):
I don't blame me ESPN.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You're for the trillionaires, No, I just.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You're running a business and the rights cost a ton
of money, you know, for like the SEC and if
you have the SEC games like yeah, we're like, we're
gonna charge you our fees to carry our our to
carry our service. Like that's the deal, you know. A
part of me, I don't know the difference, how far
the part they are in money per sub I don't
(29:38):
know the details of that. I don't care. It's not
my business. I just want to see it on TV.
But I do understand this has happened with It's basically
happened with everybody. This is the first one that's happened
middle of the season. Comcast had it one year with somebody.
We've seen all these different characters.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
No, so first time that two live NFL games have
been compromised. If you're for the trillionaires, that's one thing, but.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Not for the trillionaires. But like again, none of this
content is going to be free. That's it. I mean,
it's just not gonna be free. So I don't know what, like, Okay,
so what do you propose has to happen? You just
get them in a room and whatever wherever you are,
let's just meet halfway and do a deal.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I would say, at the very least as a stop gap.
There's three things that could be done. Because the NFL
is the behemoth that it is. It could tell ESPN
to put the game on ESPN Plus tonight.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I'm guessing contractually they can't.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
No, they're the NFL. They could do whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
They can't a matter, there's certain place you can't put it.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Jason, when you have I guess, uh, circumstances that are extreme,
then you could take extreme measures to at the very
least optically tell your consumers that you care about them.
So between ESPN and all also the NFL, you would
think that something some alive branch could be extended to
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the consumers.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
So, and let me just quick interject here, Jason wants
the NFL to say ESPN put it on ESPN Plus,
which would weaken the argument for YouTube TV that has
a deal with the NFL for the Sunday ticket. So
so you want the NFL to go back on there,
basically to stab YouTube TV in the back, but help
(31:27):
ESPN out for the viewer's sake.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, right, Ja, Jason, you're in fantasy world. You're in
absolute fantasyland. You're in fantasy land. Doesn't football No, it's again,
just give me my football. Like again, this is the
issue campaigning the picture perfectly like, either way you do it,
one of the two companies are going to be screwed
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that you can't put it on ESPN Plus because that's
a violation of the contract, the contract you have with them.
But also it's a violation of the contracts you have
when Netflix has a specific contract with NBC, with CBS,
and with Fox. You can only place it where you
have paid to place it. Right, So that's the reality
(32:12):
of the deal. If anything, the NFL wins on this
thing because people are gonna be so upset they're gonna
make their voices short. This, by the way, is no
different than when MTV first came to be Right, do
you remember MTV? Call your cable provider and tell them
I want my MTV. Right used to have to and
you're like, why doesn't everybody have MTV? Well, because in
order to carry it, you gotta pay for it. Because
(32:34):
they got to pay for all these videos. It's the
same thing. It's prohibitively expensive to broadcast the NFL. Hey now,
of that NFL highlights, I don't know the number, now,
did you guys know? It's two hundred fifty thousand dollars
per minute to do an NFL highlight. Right. That's why,
like when you see all these all these teams like
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like Fox, for example, Fox Sports one, they won't run
NFL b role because b roll that's the video of
highlights whatever. It costs two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
a minute, and it's also a lot like cell phone
minutes back when we were kit, back when we were
like in college, get your first cell phone, You're like, ah,
one hundred minutes or thousand minutes. I'm never going over
any second is a minute. So my point is it's
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ridiculously expensive to broadcast the NFL. ESPN knows that, so
they're not gonna go like, hey, YouTube watch pay less
than everybody else is paying for our content. No big deal,
you got ten million customers. You can't do it again.
I'm not saying there's not room for negotiation and ways
to smooth it over, and it should be done by now.
But I also can tell you that like you're you're
you're talking in absolute fantasy terms which will never happen
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just because it feels like it should so fans can
see it. That's not the reality of multi billion dollar businesses.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
No, I mean, you guys are for the trillionaires. And
no wonder my dom got nomined.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I did not take a side, right, I did not
take a side of socialist is run in New York City.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
To again again, there's a there's a perfect example, I
mean socialism argument. Okay, so so so China stop buying
soy so China stop buying soybeans. Stop buying soybeans because
of the tariffs from the United States. Right, So all
these farmers had all these soybeans. So what are we
gonna do. We're gonna bail out the farmers because that's
what we do. We have farm aide and we pay
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people to not produce milk, to not produce things. And
you're like, well, forget about socialism. Okay, you're gonna let
all these farmers completely starve because we have this tariff thing. No,
you gotta deal with reality, and the reality is that
this is a business. This is the business that we've chosen. Okay.
And ESPN has done this with the ESPNU, with the
ESPN News, with the ESPN two, and they do with
(34:37):
the ESPN Plus. Now they're doing Monday Night Football. They
have paid a huge sum of money for Monday Night Football.
If you want to broadcast it, you gotta pay the fee.
You gotta pay the proper increase. If you don't, then
we're gonna have a problem. And what's what, it's a
game of chicken. What's gonna happen? First, A people gonna
get upset with the ESPN. No, what they're gonna do is,
they'll pull off of YouTube and they'll move on to
a service that does carry you.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
What you're gonna go back to cable? I would, I
would gladly go after cable.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I would gladly go back to cable. Really, I like
the Cable bundle. Cable Bundle had I had no problem.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Who's going backwards? In their in their way going backwards.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
If I go to Spectrum, wait home. If I go
to Spectrum, I get Lakers games, I get Dodger games,
and I get Monday Night football, I don't have to
put up with any of the nonsense. Only then I
don't get is, I don't get multi view. All right?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Anybody else got anything to hit it? This weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yes? Who first?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Here? Sam? Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (35:31):
All right, I'll be quick. Uh Saturday, you all know it.
Hawkeye heartbreak. If you were a true freshman starting for
Iowa in twenty twenty two, you still have not beaten
a ranked team. With the Hawkeyes, they are oh and
twelve since they started losing the ranked teams in twenty
twenty one. They beat three ranked teams to start the
season since then oh and twelve, and some of them
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are by excruciatingly heartbreaking manners of defeat Like Saturday, I
just I don't know, I don't have to do this
fell kind of like Ioways lost in the Big Ten
Championship game ten years ago. It hurt that much where
it's like left me sideways even into the next day. Uh,
and just thinking about right now just makes me kind
of sad. My hate, that's my hate. As you have
(36:15):
an opportunity on Saturday, hold on.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
J Mack from Norman tweets me tell j Stew thank you.
As a YouTube TV subscriber, I agree with everything he said.
Both companies are blind to their subscribers, and occurring at
the same time as the government shutdown is even more sad.
Government shutdown is the perfect parallel. You're like, I just
opened the government all I see. If you're a Democrat,
like you want all these people to lose all their aid, no,
because your constituents won't want that. If you're a Republican,
(36:40):
you're scared of doing against anything Potus says because then
he's gonna stick his dogs on you. Right. So again,
sounds really easy when we're not involved that Twitter. That's
my boy, J mac.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Sojy Mack and I are not for trillion nerves. And
you guys are It's August. You guys already drew the
one on the sound I got.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I got a text of j Mack from the Beach Cities.
He says, I got a rec League game tonight, So
I will be recording the game on my DVR.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Will be recording his rec league game on dv app
and then.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Broadcasting highlights to come after.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You know what I need? I need. I need to
know what he's running offensively, so it helps it helps us. Yes,
that that that's what That's what I need. That is
love and hey.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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Speaker 1 (37:34):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio, Dan, Dan, I need
you'd ask me a question. What's the appropriate question you
should ask everybody who's in Green Bay about tonight?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
How cold is it going to be?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Oh? Yeah, that's one question. It's gonna be called really cold.
Next question, kickoff about twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
In college Tuobs, Green Bay topped RiPP In eighty three
sixty three.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah they did, Yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Is that a win because we were I didn't think
it was.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
And Sam says, because was it an exhibition or is
it because they're D three?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But it's still anybody. Everybody in our league plays D
three teams.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I'm not saying that that you're alone in that. But
there were times when I remember, you know, Wisconsin would
play like hey u w Platfills coming to town to
open the season.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
So I wasn't sure if.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That was that was that and that was a game
as well. The first two. So the first two were exhibitions.
We played Bradley, we lost, an exhibition. We played Saint
Norbert also a Division three played badly an exhibition. Once
you start playing games, unless it's unless it's signified as
an exhibition, it is an official game.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Okay, So does Rippan count the loss because ESPN didn't
have their skin, their record on their their their low.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
They they want to know another one in one, so well,
we will definitely take it. They will take it, and
as as many of my friends and coaching, because last
year I was like, we're not playing Division three, so
we played one Division two. We had you know, we
had injuries and we get popped and all my coaching
buddies like, dude, play four of them our league only,
lets you play two. They're like, nobody cares. Just win games.
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It's all anybody cares about. I mean, that's the difference
last year, and we won four games with their four
Division one games. There's plenty of other teams that won
six or seven, but they won like four D three games. Sure,
so we don't have to give it back. Now, it's
dog Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. They played
really well. They shot the hell out of the basketball.
Let's welcome in Tom to LESCo, who, of course the
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former gentlemenager of the Chargers and their eight is. I
got a bunch of things to get to first, let
me get your reaction, Brian Dable. So again you have
and I haven't talked about this soft air, but I
do want to ask you. Guys went to the same
high school, right, but you were a senior, he was
a freshman in Buffalo.
Speaker 10 (39:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, So when when you made your last coaching hire,
there's a lot of people like, well, they're boys, so
you're gonna hire him. Gimme you interviewed him. What are
your thoughts on, Brian Dable? The coach.
Speaker 10 (40:12):
Yeah, and I first of all, I don't care what
Dan bears. The congrats on the win this morning, so
take it and move on.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (40:19):
So yeah, so Brian Dable, Yeah, I know Brian since
I was in high school, good friends with him. So
but you know, this is a business. So you're looking
at the body of work, and Brian had a great
body of work. He was a coordinator multiple times, kind
of moving up the chain, worked for some great people Belichick,
mcstaban among others, and he had a really good feel
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for the overall how he wanted to build a football team.
Now we went in a different direction, but it was
nothing against Brian. Brian did us fanning in the interview
process and had a great body of work and he
got the Giants job. And you know, look, the head
coach is responsible for the final product. And I'm not
a big fan of interim head coaches, but as you
know Doug Pro Sports and probably the college sports at
(41:00):
this point, like there's that pound of flesh mentality that
that you know, somebody has to go, you know, because
the team under performed, certainly on defense, offensively, there's a
lot of reasons for that, but certainly the ambunder performed
on defense.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
So Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, what
about the timing of it? Right like they're winning the game, Uh,
Dark goes down, Russell Wilson comes in, they lose the
game late, he's had Scataboo gets hurt. Now Dark gets
in the in concussion protocol and they lose the game.
You know, we're not We're we're just past the midway point.
(41:32):
What are your thoughts on the logic behind the timing
of making a change?
Speaker 10 (41:36):
Now, I'm not a big fan of it, and this
is not something the Giants do very often, so that
that may just tell you behind the scenes that just
really wasn't going very well at all, because they're a
very patient group. They're a professional group. But certainly this
was not done to try and you know, rally the
troops for this year that this year is essentially over
with and the success rate of interim head coach is
(41:57):
not very good anyway. But it does give them, it
does give them a chance to start working on their
process of the next set coach as far as research,
talking to people, and it gives them a chance to
do it without doing it behind Brian Gaebles back, which
nobody would want to see that some professional way to
do it. So it gives them more time. Now they
can't talk with anybody obviously unless someone is out of
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work like at Mike McCarthy or somebody like that, but
it gives them a chance to really start diving into
their homework on We's going to be on their interview
list as soon as the season is over.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Supports Radio. Tom Tlasco
is our guests. He's former general manager both the Chargers
and for last year the Raiders. Chargers get to win
over the Steelers. You and I have discussed these two
teams separately before. Was last night about the Chargers or
about excuse me the Steelers? Has last night about the
Chargers or the Steelers?
Speaker 10 (42:48):
Good question. It's usually always it got the a combination
of both. And that's I think what you saw last
night just between the Chargers defense. It's really it had
some off weeks recently, but they really picked it up
last night. And if you can get the Steelers in
a two score game where the Chargers are up by
two scores, and if you can force Pittsburgh to now
it's going to have to be a straight dropback the
majority of the rest of the game. That's where they're
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going to struggle. They just don't have the pass protection
up front, but just not built for that. They're more
built for run the ball, play action, moved the pocket,
and obviously at this point Aaron Rodgers, he does not
have the capability that he had in the past. We
saw it last year at the Jets. We saw we
saw some games like this last year at the Jets,
so we shouldn't be overly surprised that that would happened
last night. But the Chargers didn't blitz a lot. They
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were able to get pressure with four because they saw
some weaknesses on the edges and the quarterback really just
couldn't couldn't get movement inside the pocket. And then there
wasn't a whole lot of people a throat to They
took Metcalf away. Janney Smith has had a really good year,
but they couldn't get him going. And other than that,
there's nowhere to go with the football and you're just
not going to run it as much when you're down
by two scores. So that was just you know, a
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combination of the Chargers defense, which played outstanding last year.
It's been a little up and down this year. But
we saw last night and the Charge's defense is what
we saw in the past. They can really shut people
down both on the pass when they get going.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Man Herbert's good. I mean with no offensive line. I mean,
you just got backups all over and he's still outstanding.
I mean, I mean that's.
Speaker 10 (44:12):
Why you pay them. Yep, that's why you pay these
guys the money you pay them, because as you get
injuries or people are not performing, they have to raise
the level of everybody else.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
And he did that last night, no no question, no
question about it. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports traded Tom
Telesco's Ander I guess explain for me the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
They're just going to have to get in the playoffs.
That's that's gonna be the goal right now. When the
year started, they had a ton of injuries that they're
still working through that. There hasn't been a big consistency
level on either side of the ball on defense, And
I talked about this this summer that you know they're
they're run defense. I love their linebackers, they're fast, they're rangy,
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but they're on the smaller side, and when teams line
up and run the ball hard at them, you know
your weaknesses show up. You saw that yesterday, had a
lot miss tackles from the middle of the defense to
the running game. They're on defense struggle offensively. I know
they don't have a number one receiver, but it hasn't
been a bit much of an issue because Josh Allen
just spreads the ball around to everybody. Now, Dalton Kinkaid
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being out with the hamstring and I doubt he'd be
ready to play this week just the way he came
off the field. That looks like a multi week injury.
He was one of their big playmakers, and that's going
to hurt them. It's going to hurt their offense. They're
actually get cooked going a lot more, but they got
to survive a little bit of the injury hits right now.
I'm not if you live in Buffalo right now, you're
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hugely concerned. If you're on the outside looking him like
I am a little bit more measured with it. I
think they're going to be okay, but they gotta get
the defense fix a little bit here, and Josh Allen
can still make Josh Allen type plays, But at this
point they're just kind of limping into the second half
of the season. You'd like to see better football, and
I think we'll see it from them moving forward.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
What is it that makes Rabel so good?
Speaker 10 (45:57):
How they put this team together as fast as they
have is amazing. Between Lake Grabel and Elliott Wolf, they
essentially bought a brand new defense and free agency which
rarely ever works, but it does work if your evaluations
are right. You spend the right money and the right players,
and they've got eight starters on defense that were bought
in free agency, and the defense is playing on point
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physical a lot of that Mike Brabil and then offensively,
you know, Drake May has just taken off. And I
think the combination of him and Josh McDaniel's is just
a combination made in heaven. It really is. They both
both love football, both both have high levels of football intelligence,
and Drake May is just he's and then he add
in is you know, he's got good size, athletic, he's tough,
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he's accurate. The Bucks brought a lot of pressure yesterday
like they do against everybody, and a lot of quarterbacks
struggle against it, and Drake May did not, and Drake
May's doing this without even a full complement of skill players.
You know, I thought they were still a year away
from really competing, and I was completely wrong going into
the season. You see them play now. So they got
the quarterback, Their offensive line is hugely improved. They got
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Rookie's playing right now in the offensive line, which is
a huge weakness last year, has been a strength so
far this year. So and you know this is this
is Mike Rabels in front of the team, and it's, uh,
this is why some of these other coaches get let
go because you see a team like the Patriots that
bring a new head, coach, new culture. They made a
lot of changes and they've hit it and they're eight
and two right now.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I don't know if you watched, you know, you and
I talk about how much you watch college games even now,
even still. Fernando Mendoza was okay against Penn State. They
kind of they struggled, but the the toe tap by
Omar Cooper Junior was incredible and Mendoza down the stretch
was really really good. So was Dante More of Oregon.
Right he made a couple through a couple of dimes
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there down the stretch when what's the reality to evaluation?
How do you evaluate and cut out the noise of oh,
what he did in college in this clutch throw or
these numbers when it doesn't necessarily tell the story of
what will translate in the NFL.
Speaker 10 (47:58):
Yeah, it's definitely not a week that we look at
players like a stock market stock going up, stock going down.
It's just not how it works. You're taking in the
full body work where there's a year or two years
or three years, and you put it all together and look,
there are gonna be years where there's not a first
round quarterback. It doesn't mean every single year there's gonna
be one, two and three first quarterback. They're going the
first round. They aren't good enough to go in the
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first round. I haven't studied these players yet to know
that they do have some skills that you like, but
there's no guarantee their first round quarterback. So I actually
remember last year or two years at this time, like
JJ McCarthy, bon Nicks, even Pennix, nobody was talking about
those guys being first round quarterback. But after the whole
process went through, they all end up going in the
first round. So there's still a lot of work to
(48:40):
be done. Both those players really show some interesting skills.
Mendez are going back to Cali, he was this is
just TV watching would kind of flash like, hey, who
is this kid? And do some research on them. Dante
Moore at UCLA, you know, probably wasn't ready for prime
time yet he was out there as a true freshman
and you know, had his ups and downs, end up
(49:01):
losing the job halfway through the year, but he had
some real skills and you can see in that game. Now,
are is he ready to play NFL football and to
be a starter week one? Probably not, but there's still
a lot of work to be done as you look
at the whole body worked for their career.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Uh what what what's the story with Calibury? Like, what's
the real story? I know he's hurt, but even if
he wasn't hurt, he wouldn't be starting in Arizona. They
gave him a big contracts. What's the real story with Calabary?
Speaker 10 (49:30):
I'm not so sure that you know, I wouldn't be
ready to be pushing the job that Jacoby Brissett already.
I mean, Jacoby's been in the league a long time.
It's been with six or seven teams. He's been a
full time starter once or twice. And like I like
Jacoby Brissett a lot. He doesn't turn the ball over
in terms of interceptions, but he's not real mobile and
he's never really been a long time full time starter.
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Kyler Murray is still the most talented of the two quarterbacks.
Is there a consistency level there? It just hasn't quite
been there. I can tell you from being an opponent.
He's really hard to play against because you just never
know where he's going to be in the pocket. You
always have to be able to defend his run game.
He's got a big time arm, you know for a
smaller quarterback. But I understand on the offensive side of
the ball that poses some problems too that you know,
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a lot of it is just, you know, just natural
playmaking ability, maybe not so much in structure. So the
biggest thing is is, you know, the head coach and
GM weren't there when he was drafted, and there's certainly
an investment level in different players. I still think he's
extremely talented. I'm not ready to give up on him yet,
but obviously there you know, it could go a different direction.
But to me, if they're both healthy right now, I
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think Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray is still their starting quarterback.
I don't know if they agree with me on that though.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
No, I listen, I agree with you, but they have
said that's not the case. So there has to be
something else there, right because on I'm pure talent playmaking.
It's it's not really that close. And again, like you said,
we know who Jacoby Brissett is, forget the fumbles yesterday,
Like he's a really he's a great dude, really good backup.
He's not Kyler Murray, who, as you know, talent wise,
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is a starter and has a chance to do some
elite things. So there has to be some some amount
of kind of breakdown between relationships in order to tell people, hey,
Kyler Murray healthy, are not healthy? He's coming off the bench.
Speaker 10 (51:17):
Yeah, I could see that, and you can see because
it looked like with Brissette, and I'm not surprised by this.
He just brings a sense of calm to the offense.
But you still have you know that the fumbles have
been an issue through his career, but he's just a
complete different style obviously than what they were playing with,
which was also a little bit you know, that's a
little bit different too. They really have to run two
different separate, two separate offenses to space and the skill
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sets the two quarterbacks. But you can obviously see, you know,
there's some sort of disconnect between him and Marvin Harrison
Junior because they just were not in the same page
last year and even this year, the way it started,
they weren't quite in the same page, which is hard
to fathom. So there's got there must be something going
on behind the scenes there. I don't know what it is,
but I still think Kyler is extremely talented and certainly
has much more upside looking forward than Jakobe does at
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this point.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Uh, Tom, when are you coming up to see the game?
Have you ever seen a game at LAMBA like as
a fan?
Speaker 10 (52:09):
I've seen very few professional football games as a fan
in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
So no, okay, all right, Well how about either this
year or next year?
Speaker 10 (52:18):
Well, I want to double up. I want to catch
a Green Bay Phoenix basketball game and I want to
see a Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Pack Had you been here today, That's what we did.
We played at eleven o'clock, so everybody's got plenty of
time for Monday night football, and I did that for you.
Speaker 10 (52:28):
This is me why Okay. I looked at this, I
saw the score. I'm like, what kind of play this game?
Seven am? Like, okay, that makes sense now.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Eleven am is education day. So it was full of
screaming kids. That was That was the idea.
Speaker 10 (52:41):
Nice grabbed them the win.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Thank you. We will take it. I do not have
to give it back, though Dan Bayer wants me to
give it back. I will. I won't give it back.
It's mine taking it on.
Speaker 10 (52:50):
Behalf of all Division three athletes out there. I would
have loved the chance to play against the Division one team,
even though I got my butt kicked. But it would
have been that's That's just the opportunity would be great.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
To have, no question. Tom Telesco for general manager of
the Chargers and Raiders and a good friend of the program.
He joins us for his weekly spot. Tommy, thanks so
much for joining us.
Speaker 10 (53:08):
All right, thanks Doreg. Take care
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a beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin. This is interesting, right, I mean,
we're doing a lot of firsts here. Right. I'm the
first Division one men's hed basketball coach to have a
Nashal radio show, and this is the first time we've
ever done a show after we've won a game. Granted
we didn't win many games last year. Guys, Okay, so
there is that issue with it. We're like, wow, we
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haven't done when you went up Dames last year to
do it. But we had a game today. It was
an education day where you know, has four thousand screaming
children in attendance. As enjoyable as that may sound. As
enjoyable as that may sound, we end up getting getting
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the win, so it was good. Meanwhile, it's so It's
an interesting thing right where Jay Stu is texting me
story updates while the game is in progress. And thankfully
I did not have my phone on me, so it's
not like buzzing. But I do have the news of
the day and we'll get to it. And then the
news of the night is tonight lambeau Field Monday Night football,
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Packers Eagles, big time game and what again at this
point in the season, could be forecasting for a playoff matchup,
which would be a playoff rematch, So a million different
little things to get to. Congrats to Dan Byer's Seattle
Seahawks with a dominating win yesterday. And congrats to Jay
Stu and my LA Chargers they get a big win
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on Sunday Night football that we'll get to. But the
news of the day is Brian Dabole is out out
with the New York Football Giants. Day Ball was asked
yesterday after the game about his job security. Here was
his response.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Pretty worried about your job at too many?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, I'm just focused on you know, these guys in
the locker room. You know they're tough losses, Dan, they
really are. Everybody puts so much into it. The coach
has put so much into it. The players, you know,
and it's painful when you have when you have these endings,
you know, you stick together and you know that's what
that's what you have to do.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Uh. Here's the statement from John Mara, the chairman and
chairman Steve Tish in a joint statement quote, we spoke
this morning about the direction of our franchise on the field.
We decided that this time, at this time, it's in
our best interest to make a change in the head
coaching musician. The past few seasons have been nothing short
of disappointing. We have not met our expectations for the franchise.
We understand the franestation of our fans in order to
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deliver a significantly improved product. We appreciate coach day Ball
for his contributions to organization. We wish Coach day Ball
and his family the best in the future. Joe Shane,
who's their general manager, said, we feel like Joe has
assembled a good young nucleus of talent. We look forward
to its development. Unfortunately, the results over the past three
years have not been what any of us want. We
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take full responsibility for those results. We look forward to
the kind of success the fans expect. I always love
when a general manager say, hey, we take full accountability
for it. So he's fired. H oh, sorry that that
was the owner statement on Joel Shane. So yeah. I mean, look,
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I get that those losses are devastating. I don't think
he lost his job because of this year. It's really
interesting people's inability to process when they have had Cam Scattabo,
they were the talk of the league. He breaks his
ankle and suddenly everybody forgot the energy that they had
had when they put Jackson, Dart and Scattab and installed
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them in their backfield. Again. I'm just gonna I'm gonna
disagree with this move. And I understand that somebody says, well,
you're a coach, your team struggling, so you don't want
to see any coach fired. It's not the case in
the NFL especially. I don't understand what this What does
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this do for you right? Like doesn't get you ahead
of the curve with free agents, doesn't put you ahead
of the curve with trying to find a new coach,
Like there's nobody who you want who's not going to
be on the market and be available once you get
into January. This just feels a lot like the Jets,
overreactive to fans and their desires. He's the same coach
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who engineered the upset of the Philadelphia Eagles. I don't
think any of us had great expectations of the Giants,
and when you have the level of injuries that they've had,
I don't know what anybody expects of them. So again,
if you want to look at it and go, oh, well, hey,
they didn't win yesterday and they lost and devastating fashion
to the Bears who came back and beat him late,
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it's fair, okay, But what were your expectations? Where are
you in your development? Remember the Bears had this same
type of season last year when they had a rookie quarterback.
You have a rookie quarterback, you've been just besieged by injuries.
It may not be good enough for you, but I
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don't I guess here's my thing, Dan Byer, I don't
understand if Brian Daboll is the guy to work with quarterbacks,
and you draft a quarterback and you've seen some good
production out of a rookie quarterback, then why would you
put another voice in the rookie quarterback's ear at this
point in time or even in the next year. That
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part I don't understand well.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I think that they considering the name Mike Kafka as
the interim head coach. I think that that has a
little something to do with where they think Jackson Dart's
development could continue if he stays healthy.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
And that's another point.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
As he's knocked out of yesterday's game and Russell Wilson
comes in and does nothing and the Bears come back
from a ten point deficit and rally and get the win,
there seems to be an enormous disconnect. But you can't
ignore the numbers of day bole. They just have won
eleven games since the first season he took over. They
were a nine win team. They went to the playoffs,
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they beat the Vikings, and then they lost to the
Eagles in the divisional round. But since that point they've
won eleven games total. It's the third straight year they're
two to eight, and no matter how great things have
been with Jackson Dart, at some point a change needs
to be made. And I don't know if Joe Shane
is the ear of John Marra and the other ownership
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the Tish family in terms of making that decision. But
I noticed on TikTok over the last week or so,
there was a lot of anti Joe Shane rhetoric coming out,
and so there almost seems doug to be a divide
even between Joe Shane and Brian Dabele. So Daboll ends
up being the fall guy. That's maybe cleasier with all
of it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But I think that I don't think there's any I
don't know there's any question that if Joel Shane still
has a job and Brian Dabole doesn't, that there's a
disconnect between the two of them. And again, I'm my
my point continues to be and I get it. You
give Kafka, I guess a little bit of a look here,
but you know this is not that different from what
we saw with Penn State, Like, well, what did you
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expect when Russell Wilson takes over and you know you've
had the level of injuries that they've had. I don't know. Again,
you can make a change. I'm not saying you can't
make coaching changes. I don't understand the mid season coaching change.
I don't get that. And you could say, well, he's
had enough seasons, enough time, like Okay, what do we
do here? When you bring in and you change coaches
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out mid season, you're giving Kafka a chance to be
a head coach. He's still just going to call the
call the offense. It's not really going to change that much.
A little bit of a different voy.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
What is interesting with Kafka though, is he has interviewed
for head coaching jobs in the NFL before, right, So
it's not out of nowhere that he would take over
and maybe this could be the position. It's also funny
that it feels like it's the second coach that Russell
Wilson has gotten fired.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That was that was the next part I was getting
to was happen in Denver? Right, happened in Denver, and
and it happens here, And it's I mean, that's that's
really the part. The common denominator there. He's just not
any good. And it's not just that he's not any good.
And again, you're gonna experience this on any team you cover,
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any team, you you watch, any team you're a part of,
which is there are guys that are competent at their position,
or at their job, or at their role, but other
guys just don't like them right. For whatever reason, they
just and especially at quarterback, it just feels like when
Russell Wilson trots out there, everybody rolls their eyes. Yeah,
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here we go again.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
There was a scenario in yesterday's game, and I know
Packer's played a night. I don't know if Giants Bears
was the local game in Green Bay, but there was
a scenario in the game yesterday where the Giants were
facing a goal to go situation and on first and
goal from the seven, they gave it to Devon Singletary
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who got it down to the Chicago one. So now
your second and goal at the one and a seventeen
to ten ballgame. They gave it to Devin Singletary again,
he lost the yard, so now it's third and goal
at the two. Then Russell Wilson ran for his life
scrambling got it back to the one, third and goal
on that third goal, so now it's fourth and goal
and they kicked a nineteen yard field.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Goal to go up ten.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Most teams probably would have gone for it in that situation,
but the Giants. For what the Bears had done offensively
up to that point, they had only scored ten points.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
It was a windy.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Day in Chicago, but they ended up kicking the field
goal that maybe gave Chicago life and the rest is history.
Fourteen unanswered and the Bear's leave with a win. So
we had Pam Oliver on our Sunday show yesterday. She
did the sideline. She said, the air was absolutely taken
out of the Giants when Jackson Dart went out with
the concussion.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yep. And that's the thing about Russell Wilson. And that's honestly,
I can't believe they haven't gone to Jameis Winston, you know,
because Jameis Winston, though he can be a turnover machine,
there's an energy that he brings that you have to
have when you come in as a backup, and Russell
does not have that. When Russell Wilson comes in, it's
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a Debbie downer. Everybody rolls their eyes. Oh boy, here
we go.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And this is what the Giants did, Okay, after they
were able to get the to get a stop. When
Russell Wilson is in the contest, they end up running
the ball on consecutive plays Doug second in first and
ten five yards second and ten holding penalty backs him
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up second and twenty tyrone Tracy five yards, third and
fifteen from the Chicago thirty eight yard line. Five yards.
They just ran the ball up ten. Then the Bears
went and answered with their two touchdown drives. They were
unwilling to let Russell Wilson throw the football or do
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anything with the football tea.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Because it's pretty obvious that he can't do it. And
that's why there's these collective eye rolling, you know, I mean,
it just is. I mean, I have nothing against the guy.
I don't know him. We've had no negative interactions. I'm
just telling you that I had heard obviously it's he's
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really got the weirdest career ever, right, Because the perfect
example of it is, can you recall a team Dan
in your twenty five years, Jay stew you're the same,
We've all been in this thing combined seventy five plus years, right.
Can you recall a player who is the quarterback of
a team that won the Super Bowl another team that
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lost in the Super Bowl that was perennially dominant that
I haven't ever heard a former Seahawk come out and
go that's my guy. Hey, you guys are being critical.
He was awesome when he's in Seattle. Nobody nobody like
for all the and we all agree that Aaron Rodgers
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was better at his peak and his better quarterback. But
for all of Aaron Rodgers haters out there, Aaron Rodgers
has all those guys that played with him before would
love to play with him again. Don't see that from
Russell Wilson. It's the weirdest career ever that no one
is excited about Russell Wilson being the quarterback of their team.
No one is excited about him coming into his back,
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Like can you imagine if you're on the Giants. Think
about this for a second. You're on the Giants and
your quarterback goes down, Like, all right, who are you
going to next? How about a guy who's been you know,
probably a Hall of Famer, won a Super Bowl, been
in another one, perennially top ten quarterback in the league.
He comes trot again. You would think normally everybody be like, hey,
we got Russell Wilson, We're good. And it's the exact
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opposite of that. From play callers to overall mojo to feeling,
it's the weirdest career I can possibly think of.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
What up but you? Dog gott Leaf Show, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. I hope you're having
a great day. The Doug gott Leap Show broadcast live
every single day. I'm in Green Bay there in Sherman Oaks, California.
We're just here, four guys who love sports. Been working
together for a long time talking about football, occasionally basketball,
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sport not really baseball, crazy, college football weekend, weird NFL weekend,
some college hoops this weekend as well. A lot to
get to Buyer is a Seahawks fan, So you got
the dub. Jay stew and I Big Charger fans. We
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got the dub. Last night, Sam suffered through a really
really tough loss as an Iowa Hawka fan. That's Saturday night,
but still fun game at Kiddick. So we got a
lot to draw it in terms of what we'd like
to do. Just kind of an update for this hour,
preve you Monday night football. I am going to the
game tonight, Cold Lambeau game. This is one that everybody
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kind of checks their boxes. This is the one that
I got season tickets. I'm going to this one. You'll
see your boy potentially with a Lambeau leap because I
got Lambeau leap seats. I'm the one with the big schnage.
But I'll be covered up so you might only see
my nose and my eyes nothing else. It is a
brisk twenty eight degrees with twenty five milen hour gusts,
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which means it's really really cold, really cold. Well with that,
let's get to love and hate.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
God? I love you?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
These player Hays.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Dann Bayer, What do you got, buddy?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I do need to make this point because there was
a possibility that we were going to be in Green
Bay broadcasting the show as a crew.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
That did not happen.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
When I texted Jason what the forecast was going to be,
Jason played it off like no big deal. You were
you were ready for the elements, Jason Stewart, Right, experience.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I like to experience what that place is known for.
So if I go to a restaurant or something, I'll
get the one thing that they're known for.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I went to London for my only trip across overseas.
I went to London and it was sunny for four
days and it rained and was foggy. On the fifth
day I played. I played hooky is that the word?
From work? On the fifth day and I just walked
around listening to the Smiths and had Morey serenading me
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through fog and depressing rain. And that was my favorite
day in London.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So if I go to Green Bay, I want it
to be freezing temperature.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah yeah, I mean, like, look, we you would have
lucked out, like it's November's hit or miss in terms
of cold. Here's what I'm gonna offer up to you guys. Okay,
December twenty seventh. December twenty seventh.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Can't do it?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, because of Christmas.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, my cousin's actually coming out because he wants to
go to a Chargers game. So I'm hoping that gets
flex to a Saturday contest.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
But who do they? Who do the Packers play in
the twenty sevens Ravens?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So I think by then the Ravens will be fighting
for a playoff spot, right Yeah? Games with Lamar back,
so that that's the next one. I'm not I'm traveling
for the rest of you. Guys. Should come out anytime
you want. I'll get tickets. You stay at my house.
You're all good to go use my car, don't care.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Let's do this the Chargers Texans on the twenty seventh.
Get four tickets for Dan and his cousin Jacob and me,
and if we can get the that sweet deal.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I don't worry about it. No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Worry about you. Guys need sweets.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Have Doug hit his contact up and we'll ride it
in luxury.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Okay, Tonight it's a Gold Package game as well, so
the Milwaukee fans will be there.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It just won't be as loud.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Hey, just kill an argument I had with a buddy
last night. There's three Milwaukee games every year, right.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yes, there's one preseason and two regular season.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Oh I thought there's three regular seasons. He was right.
I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Because my family has relatives have the Green Package.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Green Package sup here in Green Bay Packages. If you're
in a miwak Milwaukee, Milwaukeekean, Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Ken, Milwaukeean something like that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
What kin all right? Actually it's pronounced Meliwaukee. There you go,
which is Algonquin for the good Land. Ah. I love that.
What do you got there? I was saying, what'd you
love from the weekend?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I think we skipped over Dan Well. I'll just say this.
Doug mentioned Jonathan Taylor earlier today. He also is on
my fantasy team. What a show in Berlin. I got
up to watch that game because he wasn't my fantasy team.
He was absolutely magnificent, including adding on the touchdown in overtime,
which I know ruined some things for others because the
Colts won by six. But what a magnificent day for
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Jonathan Taylor and the Colts, specifically for Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I hate myself when it comes to these players, like
I I really am jealous of people that own Jonathan Taylor,
Like I get pissed off at myself for not drafting him.
But I was in the same boat last year with
Saquon Barkway, And if you think about it, their careers
are very similar. They're a great when they're healthy and
they've just been you never know when they're not injured.
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Jonathan Taylor is like a top three fantasy pick a
couple of years, then he's a second rounder. Sa Quon
Barkley the same deal. It's just it's frustrating when these
guys hit big on the year, you don't drop them.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Here's the other thing, a lot of leagues are PPR,
so they're like, well, Taylor isn't as much of a
factor out of the backfield to say, like you know,
Devon a Chan might be so he slips a little bit,
but when you're rushing for that much and he did catch,
he has been a decent out of the backfield, giving
some bonus. But that also plays into it. It's ridiculous,
but it does with some people's rankings.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
All right, Sam, okay, go ahead, you get your your
pound of flish.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
So Dan brought up Jonathan Taylor's incredible two hundred plus
yard performs there in Germany. I love I love broadcasts
in any sport in any other language but English. Let's
listen to a Jonathan Taylor touchdown in German from two
years ago. Sausage pan and as on Taylor Taylor lifety
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right now.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's a touch shown sex sy Ferny Colts.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
How about how about how about the football Night in
America had a little, uh, little package Jonathan Taylor a
little ramshean underneath.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Oh yeah, sounds a lot better when they do it, dozig.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
That is so good.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
And then actually here's uh, here's a very fun uh,
little clip from a broadcast between the Saints and the
Falcons from two years ago.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Oh, deception.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Deception is to follow on every born.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
The Germans, So you think that's funny.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
I also found an Illinois football in Illinois fighting a
lie and I call from I've had this since twenty
nineteen in Mandarin.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Here we go, Joe, you.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Find Paul and one more.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh my god, let me.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I have no idea what they're saying. I have no
idea how they find these guys. They speak the language fluently,
and they're also fans of American football. But those are
fun and I love the Germans and they're laughing.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
The Germans were having such a cool time. Was this
American German ball? The Germans?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
All right?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Thank you guys?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Do do did do? Jase do?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Let me left on the weekend, real fast, Just a
live tweet Marrow guy twenty eight? Did you really have
to play the last four cuts in the farm language?
I will say this, There's only one reason I'm a
Chargers fan. Only one reason. It's my son Jacob. He's
the biggest fan I know. He went to the game
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last night, sent me a text saying that it was
like seventy five percent Steeers fans. He was one of
the one of the few that were rooting for the
Chargers last night at so Far and they pulled it
out and he was happy. And when he's happy, I'm happy.
So I love that Chargers win.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Jacob's happy, Charge's win and happy. Uh okay, Mine's pretty easy,
to be honest with you, That's something I love from
the weekend. I just I really really love watching one
game this weekend above us. Did you guys see what
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old misshead coach Lane Kiffin did? There was a propose
on the field like before the fourth quarter, right and
like Lane kiffn midgame, goes over and like shakes the
guy's hand, talks to him afterwards. It kind of gives
him an out of boy. Just, I don't know what
happened to Lane Kiffin. He was so obnoxious early on
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his career and now he's become like the most likable
dude ever, you know, talking about his daughter's boyfriend, his
own relationship post divorce. He's just very at peace with
himself at ole Miss. I mean, here's the guy who
you know, failed up after getting fired by the Raiders,
leaves Tennessee after one year goes to sc right the
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whole thing. But I don't know. I just really like
where Lane Kiffin is. I think it's fun to watch him.
And if you watch that interaction, that was magnificent. During
the Old Miss.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Game, Ole Miss beat the Citadel forty nine to the
Council is an overall win, obviously a non conference game.
They had five first downs. Citadel did in the head
ball for thirty two minutes. The starting quarterback had stats
that look like he plays quarterback for Wisconsin. He was
three of six for twenty three yards. That's that's what
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the Citadel. That's why you can take pictures with the
newly engaged when the Citadel comes to town and has
five first downs in the entire contest.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Okay, I'll give you another one. How about Wisconsin's win
against Wow Washington, Right, Luke Fickel, everybody thought dead man walking.
They decide, hey, we're going We're running it back for
one more year. He had four different players throw a
pass in the game, like they're just trying new quarterback,
new quarterback Carter Smith. I think Carter Smith, you know,
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as a freshman they won a game with their leading
passer was three of twelve. They were six of eighteen
with forty eight yards throwing the football and one and
one in the old find a Way. Wisconsin found away
rewarded their coach, who rewarded the athletic department with with
giving him another year to try and run this thing back.
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That was a hell of If you can win with
forty eight yards passing, I tip my captain.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Sean West is their punter. I don't know if he
became the first ever or first in a long time
to lead his team in rushing and in passing in
a gameless season. He had twenty the most that they
had on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's amazing. I love it. I love sports.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
All right, let's get to what can I ask real quick?
Coach Fickle, he got like the vote of confidence. I
mean like they had to show some improvement. But he
think once he had that vote of confidence, he was like,
all right, let's just go win one because like if
they just if they just didn't win any games the
rest of the year, man, that's just gonna be hard
to start next year. But this is this definitely lights
a fire under their butts. A ranked win, yeah, ranked win,
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A win period at home.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
The fifth quarter, I'm sure was rocking in mad Town.
All right, let's get to what we hated from the weekend.
Our resident hater is Jason Stewart. What do you got? Jay?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Got an email yesterday. I think I'm on record saying
that I've been a YouTube TV subscriber since before it
was cool. I cut the court early, I think in
twenty eighteen, been a subscriber ever since. So this kind
of puts it in even a more harsh context. Hi, Jason,
(26:18):
We've been working in good faith and negotiat a deal
with Disney that pays them fairly for their content and
returns their programming to YouTube TV. We know it's been
disappointing to lose Disney content. We want to know how
deeply appreciative we are of your patients, and right of that,
we're offering you subscribers a twenty dollars credit. Twenty dollars credit. Now,
(26:38):
now you could argue, like what is that? How do
they come to that number? Like what how do they
measure that twenty bucks is enough to keep customers happy
through this very frustrating time without insulting them. So you
could argue that point, But here's the real insulting point.
Over the next few days, you will receive a follow
up email with instructiontions on how to redeem your twenty
(27:03):
dollars credit. So, in other words, I'm gonna have to
do the work to get my credit. I don't get
ESPN or ABC or my Jeopardy, and you're gonna make
me do the work to give me a credit your Google,
you are worth trillions of dollars. I'm guessing as a
part of your business model, you are able to refund
(27:26):
twenty dollars without me going through an extra step put
it on the bill. This is insulting and for the
first time in my career as a YouTube TV subscriber,
I'm considering ending my relationship. We are not going to
get Monday night football again tonight. This is the first
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time in the history of these negotiations, whether it's Comcast
or direct TV, where two Monday night football games have
been put in jeopardy. To me, this is a bridge
too far. It is a problem when two trillion dollar
mega corporations are squabbling at the inconvenience and the actually
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the torture. I'm going to go that far use torture
of their consumers. It's not acceptable.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
As hell, and I'm not trying to take this anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Paid that to me and his man's money? Damn by
what what?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
No reaction to that? Well, I have to watch the
game here YouTube TV subscribers among the four of us reaction,
I will be watching the game tonight.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I'll immediately change the channel and I'll flip back direct
TV in the house.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, it's the only reason I have. The only reason
I have YouTube TV is red Zone and multiview. That's it,
and I'm good with it. I'm good with moving on
if that's if that's the thing, Like I don't, I'm
my problem with it. Jay stu Is, I actually see
the argument, right, actually see the argument on either side.
(29:11):
I don't blame me ESPN.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You're for the trillionaires, No, I just.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You're running a business and the rights cost a ton
of money, you know, for like the SEC and if
you have the SEC games like yeah, we're like, we're
gonna charge you our fees to carry our our to
carry our service. Like that's the deal, you know. A
part of me, I don't know the difference, how far
the part they are in money per sub I don't
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know the details of that. I don't care. It's not
my business. I just want to see it on TV.
But I do understand this has happened with It's basically
happened with everybody. This is the first one that's happened
middle of the season. Comcast had it one year with somebody.
We've seen all these different characters.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
No, so first time that two live NFL games have
been compromised. If you're for the trillionaires, that's one thing, but.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Not for the trillionaires. But like again, none of this
content is going to be free. That's it. I mean,
it's just not gonna be free. So I don't know what, like, Okay,
so what do you propose has to happen? You just
get them in a room and whatever wherever you are,
let's just meet halfway and do a deal.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I would say, at the very least as a stop gap.
There's three things that could be done. Because the NFL
is the behemoth that it is. It could tell ESPN
to put the game on ESPN Plus tonight.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I'm guessing contractually they can't.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
No, they're the NFL. They could do whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
They can't a matter, there's certain place you can't put it.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Jason, when you have I guess, uh, circumstances that are extreme,
then you could take extreme measures to at the very
least optically tell your consumers that you care about them.
So between ESPN and all also the NFL, you would
think that something some alive branch could be extended to
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the consumers.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
So, and let me just quick interject here, Jason wants
the NFL to say ESPN put it on ESPN Plus,
which would weaken the argument for YouTube TV that has
a deal with the NFL for the Sunday ticket. So
so you want the NFL to go back on there,
basically to stab YouTube TV in the back, but help
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ESPN out for the viewer's sake.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, right, Ja, Jason, you're in fantasy world. You're in
absolute fantasyland. You're in fantasy land. Doesn't football No, it's again,
just give me my football. Like again, this is the
issue campaigning the picture perfectly like, either way you do it,
one of the two companies are going to be screwed
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that you can't put it on ESPN Plus because that's
a violation of the contract, the contract you have with them.
But also it's a violation of the contracts you have
when Netflix has a specific contract with NBC, with CBS,
and with Fox. You can only place it where you
have paid to place it. Right, So that's the reality
(32:12):
of the deal. If anything, the NFL wins on this
thing because people are gonna be so upset they're gonna
make their voices short. This, by the way, is no
different than when MTV first came to be Right, do
you remember MTV? Call your cable provider and tell them
I want my MTV. Right used to have to and
you're like, why doesn't everybody have MTV? Well, because in
order to carry it, you gotta pay for it. Because
(32:34):
they got to pay for all these videos. It's the
same thing. It's prohibitively expensive to broadcast the NFL. Hey now,
of that NFL highlights, I don't know the number, now,
did you guys know? It's two hundred fifty thousand dollars
per minute to do an NFL highlight. Right. That's why,
like when you see all these all these teams like
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like Fox, for example, Fox Sports one, they won't run
NFL b role because b roll that's the video of
highlights whatever. It costs two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
a minute, and it's also a lot like cell phone
minutes back when we were kit, back when we were
like in college, get your first cell phone, You're like, ah,
one hundred minutes or thousand minutes. I'm never going over
any second is a minute. So my point is it's
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ridiculously expensive to broadcast the NFL. ESPN knows that, so
they're not gonna go like, hey, YouTube watch pay less
than everybody else is paying for our content. No big deal,
you got ten million customers. You can't do it again.
I'm not saying there's not room for negotiation and ways
to smooth it over, and it should be done by now.
But I also can tell you that like you're you're
you're talking in absolute fantasy terms which will never happen
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just because it feels like it should so fans can
see it. That's not the reality of multi billion dollar businesses.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
No, I mean, you guys are for the trillionaires. And
no wonder my dom got nomined.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I did not take a side, right, I did not
take a side of socialist is run in New York City.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
To again again, there's a there's a perfect example, I
mean socialism argument. Okay, so so so China stop buying
soy so China stop buying soybeans. Stop buying soybeans because
of the tariffs from the United States. Right, So all
these farmers had all these soybeans. So what are we
gonna do. We're gonna bail out the farmers because that's
what we do. We have farm aide and we pay
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people to not produce milk, to not produce things. And
you're like, well, forget about socialism. Okay, you're gonna let
all these farmers completely starve because we have this tariff thing. No,
you gotta deal with reality, and the reality is that
this is a business. This is the business that we've chosen. Okay.
And ESPN has done this with the ESPNU, with the
ESPN News, with the ESPN two, and they do with
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the ESPN Plus. Now they're doing Monday Night Football. They
have paid a huge sum of money for Monday Night Football.
If you want to broadcast it, you gotta pay the fee.
You gotta pay the proper increase. If you don't, then
we're gonna have a problem. And what's what, it's a
game of chicken. What's gonna happen? First, A people gonna
get upset with the ESPN. No, what they're gonna do is,
they'll pull off of YouTube and they'll move on to
a service that does carry you.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
What you're gonna go back to cable? I would, I
would gladly go after cable.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I would gladly go back to cable. Really, I like
the Cable bundle. Cable Bundle had I had no problem.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Who's going backwards? In their in their way going backwards.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
If I go to Spectrum, wait home. If I go
to Spectrum, I get Lakers games, I get Dodger games,
and I get Monday Night football, I don't have to
put up with any of the nonsense. Only then I
don't get is, I don't get multi view. All right?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Anybody else got anything to hit it? This weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yes? Who first?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Here? Sam? Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (35:31):
All right, I'll be quick. Uh Saturday, you all know it.
Hawkeye heartbreak. If you were a true freshman starting for
Iowa in twenty twenty two, you still have not beaten
a ranked team. With the Hawkeyes, they are oh and
twelve since they started losing the ranked teams in twenty
twenty one. They beat three ranked teams to start the
season since then oh and twelve, and some of them
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are by excruciatingly heartbreaking manners of defeat Like Saturday, I
just I don't know, I don't have to do this
fell kind of like Ioways lost in the Big Ten
Championship game ten years ago. It hurt that much where
it's like left me sideways even into the next day. Uh,
and just thinking about right now just makes me kind
of sad. My hate, that's my hate. As you have
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an opportunity on Saturday, hold on.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
J Mack from Norman tweets me tell j Stew thank you.
As a YouTube TV subscriber, I agree with everything he said.
Both companies are blind to their subscribers, and occurring at
the same time as the government shutdown is even more sad.
Government shutdown is the perfect parallel. You're like, I just
opened the government all I see. If you're a Democrat,
like you want all these people to lose all their aid, no,
because your constituents won't want that. If you're a Republican,
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you're scared of doing against anything Potus says because then
he's gonna stick his dogs on you. Right. So again,
sounds really easy when we're not involved that Twitter. That's
my boy, J mac.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Sojy Mack and I are not for trillion nerves. And
you guys are It's August. You guys already drew the
one on the sound I got.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I got a text of j Mack from the Beach Cities.
He says, I got a rec League game tonight, So
I will be recording the game on my DVR.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Will be recording his rec league game on dv app
and then.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Broadcasting highlights to come after.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You know what I need? I need. I need to
know what he's running offensively, so it helps it helps us. Yes,
that that that's what That's what I need. That is
love and hey.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio, Dan, Dan, I need
you'd ask me a question. What's the appropriate question you
should ask everybody who's in Green Bay about tonight?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
How cold is it going to be?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Oh? Yeah, that's one question. It's gonna be called really cold.
Next question, kickoff about twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
In college Tuobs, Green Bay topped RiPP In eighty three
sixty three.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah they did, Yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Is that a win because we were I didn't think
it was.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
And Sam says, because was it an exhibition or is
it because they're D three?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But it's still anybody. Everybody in our league plays D
three teams.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I'm not saying that that you're alone in that. But
there were times when I remember, you know, Wisconsin would
play like hey u w Platfills coming to town to
open the season.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
So I wasn't sure if.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That was that was that and that was a game
as well. The first two. So the first two were exhibitions.
We played Bradley, we lost, an exhibition. We played Saint
Norbert also a Division three played badly an exhibition. Once
you start playing games, unless it's unless it's signified as
an exhibition, it is an official game.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Okay, So does Rippan count the loss because ESPN didn't
have their skin, their record on their their their low.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
They they want to know another one in one, so well,
we will definitely take it. They will take it, and
as as many of my friends and coaching, because last
year I was like, we're not playing Division three, so
we played one Division two. We had you know, we
had injuries and we get popped and all my coaching
buddies like, dude, play four of them our league only,
lets you play two. They're like, nobody cares. Just win games.
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It's all anybody cares about. I mean, that's the difference
last year, and we won four games with their four
Division one games. There's plenty of other teams that won
six or seven, but they won like four D three games. Sure,
so we don't have to give it back. Now, it's
dog Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. They played
really well. They shot the hell out of the basketball.
Let's welcome in Tom to LESCo, who, of course the
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former gentlemenager of the Chargers and their eight is. I
got a bunch of things to get to first, let
me get your reaction, Brian Dable. So again you have
and I haven't talked about this soft air, but I
do want to ask you. Guys went to the same
high school, right, but you were a senior, he was
a freshman in Buffalo.
Speaker 10 (39:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, So when when you made your last coaching hire,
there's a lot of people like, well, they're boys, so
you're gonna hire him. Gimme you interviewed him. What are
your thoughts on, Brian Dable? The coach.
Speaker 10 (40:12):
Yeah, and I first of all, I don't care what
Dan bears. The congrats on the win this morning, so
take it and move on.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (40:19):
So yeah, so Brian Dable, Yeah, I know Brian since
I was in high school, good friends with him. So
but you know, this is a business. So you're looking
at the body of work, and Brian had a great
body of work. He was a coordinator multiple times, kind
of moving up the chain, worked for some great people Belichick,
mcstaban among others, and he had a really good feel
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for the overall how he wanted to build a football team.
Now we went in a different direction, but it was
nothing against Brian. Brian did us fanning in the interview
process and had a great body of work and he
got the Giants job. And you know, look, the head
coach is responsible for the final product. And I'm not
a big fan of interim head coaches, but as you
know Doug Pro Sports and probably the college sports at
(41:00):
this point, like there's that pound of flesh mentality that
that you know, somebody has to go, you know, because
the team under performed, certainly on defense, offensively, there's a
lot of reasons for that, but certainly the ambunder performed
on defense.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
So Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, what
about the timing of it? Right like they're winning the game, Uh,
Dark goes down, Russell Wilson comes in, they lose the
game late, he's had Scataboo gets hurt. Now Dark gets
in the in concussion protocol and they lose the game.
You know, we're not We're we're just past the midway point.
(41:32):
What are your thoughts on the logic behind the timing
of making a change?
Speaker 10 (41:36):
Now, I'm not a big fan of it, and this
is not something the Giants do very often, so that
that may just tell you behind the scenes that just
really wasn't going very well at all, because they're a
very patient group. They're a professional group. But certainly this
was not done to try and you know, rally the
troops for this year that this year is essentially over
with and the success rate of interim head coach is
(41:57):
not very good anyway. But it does give them, it
does give them a chance to start working on their
process of the next set coach as far as research,
talking to people, and it gives them a chance to
do it without doing it behind Brian Gaebles back, which
nobody would want to see that some professional way to
do it. So it gives them more time. Now they
can't talk with anybody obviously unless someone is out of
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work like at Mike McCarthy or somebody like that, but
it gives them a chance to really start diving into
their homework on We's going to be on their interview
list as soon as the season is over.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Supports Radio. Tom Tlasco
is our guests. He's former general manager both the Chargers
and for last year the Raiders. Chargers get to win
over the Steelers. You and I have discussed these two
teams separately before. Was last night about the Chargers or
about excuse me the Steelers? Has last night about the
Chargers or the Steelers?
Speaker 10 (42:48):
Good question. It's usually always it got the a combination
of both. And that's I think what you saw last
night just between the Chargers defense. It's really it had
some off weeks recently, but they really picked it up
last night. And if you can get the Steelers in
a two score game where the Chargers are up by
two scores, and if you can force Pittsburgh to now
it's going to have to be a straight dropback the
majority of the rest of the game. That's where they're
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going to struggle. They just don't have the pass protection
up front, but just not built for that. They're more
built for run the ball, play action, moved the pocket,
and obviously at this point Aaron Rodgers, he does not
have the capability that he had in the past. We
saw it last year at the Jets. We saw we
saw some games like this last year at the Jets,
so we shouldn't be overly surprised that that would happened
last night. But the Chargers didn't blitz a lot. They
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were able to get pressure with four because they saw
some weaknesses on the edges and the quarterback really just
couldn't couldn't get movement inside the pocket. And then there
wasn't a whole lot of people a throat to They
took Metcalf away. Janney Smith has had a really good year,
but they couldn't get him going. And other than that,
there's nowhere to go with the football and you're just
not going to run it as much when you're down
by two scores. So that was just you know, a
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combination of the Chargers defense, which played outstanding last year.
It's been a little up and down this year. But
we saw last night and the Charge's defense is what
we saw in the past. They can really shut people
down both on the pass when they get going.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Man Herbert's good. I mean with no offensive line. I mean,
you just got backups all over and he's still outstanding.
I mean, I mean that's.
Speaker 10 (44:12):
Why you pay them. Yep, that's why you pay these
guys the money you pay them, because as you get
injuries or people are not performing, they have to raise
the level of everybody else.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
And he did that last night, no no question, no
question about it. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports traded Tom
Telesco's Ander I guess explain for me the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
They're just going to have to get in the playoffs.
That's that's gonna be the goal right now. When the
year started, they had a ton of injuries that they're
still working through that. There hasn't been a big consistency
level on either side of the ball on defense, And
I talked about this this summer that you know they're
they're run defense. I love their linebackers, they're fast, they're rangy,
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but they're on the smaller side, and when teams line
up and run the ball hard at them, you know
your weaknesses show up. You saw that yesterday, had a
lot miss tackles from the middle of the defense to
the running game. They're on defense struggle offensively. I know
they don't have a number one receiver, but it hasn't
been a bit much of an issue because Josh Allen
just spreads the ball around to everybody. Now, Dalton Kinkaid
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being out with the hamstring and I doubt he'd be
ready to play this week just the way he came
off the field. That looks like a multi week injury.
He was one of their big playmakers, and that's going
to hurt them. It's going to hurt their offense. They're
actually get cooked going a lot more, but they got
to survive a little bit of the injury hits right now.
I'm not if you live in Buffalo right now, you're
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hugely concerned. If you're on the outside looking him like
I am a little bit more measured with it. I
think they're going to be okay, but they gotta get
the defense fix a little bit here, and Josh Allen
can still make Josh Allen type plays, But at this
point they're just kind of limping into the second half
of the season. You'd like to see better football, and
I think we'll see it from them moving forward.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
What is it that makes Rabel so good?
Speaker 10 (45:57):
How they put this team together as fast as they
have is amazing. Between Lake Grabel and Elliott Wolf, they
essentially bought a brand new defense and free agency which
rarely ever works, but it does work if your evaluations
are right. You spend the right money and the right players,
and they've got eight starters on defense that were bought
in free agency, and the defense is playing on point
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physical a lot of that Mike Brabil and then offensively,
you know, Drake May has just taken off. And I
think the combination of him and Josh McDaniel's is just
a combination made in heaven. It really is. They both
both love football, both both have high levels of football intelligence,
and Drake May is just he's and then he add
in is you know, he's got good size, athletic, he's tough,
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he's accurate. The Bucks brought a lot of pressure yesterday
like they do against everybody, and a lot of quarterbacks
struggle against it, and Drake May did not, and Drake
May's doing this without even a full complement of skill players.
You know, I thought they were still a year away
from really competing, and I was completely wrong going into
the season. You see them play now. So they got
the quarterback, Their offensive line is hugely improved. They got
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Rookie's playing right now in the offensive line, which is
a huge weakness last year, has been a strength so
far this year. So and you know this is this
is Mike Rabels in front of the team, and it's, uh,
this is why some of these other coaches get let
go because you see a team like the Patriots that
bring a new head, coach, new culture. They made a
lot of changes and they've hit it and they're eight
and two right now.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I don't know if you watched, you know, you and
I talk about how much you watch college games even now,
even still. Fernando Mendoza was okay against Penn State. They
kind of they struggled, but the the toe tap by
Omar Cooper Junior was incredible and Mendoza down the stretch
was really really good. So was Dante More of Oregon.
Right he made a couple through a couple of dimes
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there down the stretch when what's the reality to evaluation?
How do you evaluate and cut out the noise of oh,
what he did in college in this clutch throw or
these numbers when it doesn't necessarily tell the story of
what will translate in the NFL.
Speaker 10 (47:58):
Yeah, it's definitely not a week that we look at
players like a stock market stock going up, stock going down.
It's just not how it works. You're taking in the
full body work where there's a year or two years
or three years, and you put it all together and look,
there are gonna be years where there's not a first
round quarterback. It doesn't mean every single year there's gonna
be one, two and three first quarterback. They're going the
first round. They aren't good enough to go in the
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first round. I haven't studied these players yet to know
that they do have some skills that you like, but
there's no guarantee their first round quarterback. So I actually
remember last year or two years at this time, like
JJ McCarthy, bon Nicks, even Pennix, nobody was talking about
those guys being first round quarterback. But after the whole
process went through, they all end up going in the
first round. So there's still a lot of work to
(48:40):
be done. Both those players really show some interesting skills.
Mendez are going back to Cali, he was this is
just TV watching would kind of flash like, hey, who
is this kid? And do some research on them. Dante
Moore at UCLA, you know, probably wasn't ready for prime
time yet he was out there as a true freshman
and you know, had his ups and downs, end up
(49:01):
losing the job halfway through the year, but he had
some real skills and you can see in that game. Now,
are is he ready to play NFL football and to
be a starter week one? Probably not, but there's still
a lot of work to be done as you look
at the whole body worked for their career.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Uh what what what's the story with Calibury? Like, what's
the real story? I know he's hurt, but even if
he wasn't hurt, he wouldn't be starting in Arizona. They
gave him a big contracts. What's the real story with Calabary?
Speaker 10 (49:30):
I'm not so sure that you know, I wouldn't be
ready to be pushing the job that Jacoby Brissett already.
I mean, Jacoby's been in the league a long time.
It's been with six or seven teams. He's been a
full time starter once or twice. And like I like
Jacoby Brissett a lot. He doesn't turn the ball over
in terms of interceptions, but he's not real mobile and
he's never really been a long time full time starter.
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Kyler Murray is still the most talented of the two quarterbacks.
Is there a consistency level there? It just hasn't quite
been there. I can tell you from being an opponent.
He's really hard to play against because you just never
know where he's going to be in the pocket. You
always have to be able to defend his run game.
He's got a big time arm, you know for a
smaller quarterback. But I understand on the offensive side of
the ball that poses some problems too that you know,
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a lot of it is just, you know, just natural
playmaking ability, maybe not so much in structure. So the
biggest thing is is, you know, the head coach and
GM weren't there when he was drafted, and there's certainly
an investment level in different players. I still think he's
extremely talented. I'm not ready to give up on him yet,
but obviously there you know, it could go a different direction.
But to me, if they're both healthy right now, I
(50:38):
think Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray is still their starting quarterback.
I don't know if they agree with me on that though.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
No, I listen, I agree with you, but they have
said that's not the case. So there has to be
something else there, right because on I'm pure talent playmaking.
It's it's not really that close. And again, like you said,
we know who Jacoby Brissett is, forget the fumbles yesterday,
Like he's a really he's a great dude, really good backup.
He's not Kyler Murray, who, as you know, talent wise,
(51:04):
is a starter and has a chance to do some
elite things. So there has to be some some amount
of kind of breakdown between relationships in order to tell people, hey,
Kyler Murray healthy, are not healthy? He's coming off the bench.
Speaker 10 (51:17):
Yeah, I could see that, and you can see because
it looked like with Brissette, and I'm not surprised by this.
He just brings a sense of calm to the offense.
But you still have you know that the fumbles have
been an issue through his career, but he's just a
complete different style obviously than what they were playing with,
which was also a little bit you know, that's a
little bit different too. They really have to run two
different separate, two separate offenses to space and the skill
(51:39):
sets the two quarterbacks. But you can obviously see, you know,
there's some sort of disconnect between him and Marvin Harrison
Junior because they just were not in the same page
last year and even this year, the way it started,
they weren't quite in the same page, which is hard
to fathom. So there's got there must be something going
on behind the scenes there. I don't know what it is,
but I still think Kyler is extremely talented and certainly
has much more upside looking forward than Jakobe does at
(52:01):
this point.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Uh, Tom, when are you coming up to see the game?
Have you ever seen a game at LAMBA like as
a fan?
Speaker 10 (52:09):
I've seen very few professional football games as a fan
in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
So no, okay, all right, Well how about either this
year or next year?
Speaker 10 (52:18):
Well, I want to double up. I want to catch
a Green Bay Phoenix basketball game and I want to
see a Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Pack Had you been here today, That's what we did.
We played at eleven o'clock, so everybody's got plenty of
time for Monday night football, and I did that for you.
Speaker 10 (52:28):
This is me why Okay. I looked at this, I
saw the score. I'm like, what kind of play this game?
Seven am? Like, okay, that makes sense now.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Eleven am is education day. So it was full of
screaming kids. That was That was the idea.
Speaker 10 (52:41):
Nice grabbed them the win.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Thank you. We will take it. I do not have
to give it back, though Dan Bayer wants me to
give it back. I will. I won't give it back.
It's mine taking it on.
Speaker 10 (52:50):
Behalf of all Division three athletes out there. I would
have loved the chance to play against the Division one team,
even though I got my butt kicked. But it would
have been that's That's just the opportunity would be great.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
To have, no question. Tom Telesco for general manager of
the Chargers and Raiders and a good friend of the program.
He joins us for his weekly spot. Tommy, thanks so
much for joining us.
Speaker 10 (53:08):
All right, thanks Doreg. Take care
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