March 6, 2019 • 46 mins
Doug discusses the Celtics dominating win over the Warriors and why Gordon Hayward is the key to their success. He tells you why he loves the idea of Antonio Brown on the Raiders. Former NFL general manager and NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly joins the show to share what he’s heard about Kyler Murray and his potential to go number 1 overall.
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Night as the World turns and the soap opera of
the NBA. The Boston Celtics, who of course we're mired
in a nasty little losing um vortex, pulled themselves out,
pulled up their bootstraps and went in and whooped up
on the Warriors, who did not have Clay Thompson. In
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fairness to the Dubs, but but the the the drubbing
was just that it was an epic and complete beat down,
and it was helped by thirty points from Gordon Hayward.
I thought he looked spriteful. I thought he looked athletic.
I thought he looked like, well, Gordon Hayward, who was
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an All Star two years ago, who was the prized
free agent acquisition of the summer two years ago, and
a guy who had missed all of last year after
playing two minutes before breaking his leg. That that's what
he He He looked like, the guy before he became the
guy who was coming back from injury. And then I
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saw this, that that Boston. The Celtics are eighteen and
two in the twenty games this season in which Hayward
has shot at least fifty from the floor, seventeen of
twenty two in games in which he doesn't, seventeen and
twenty two. Seems pretty easy. Get Gordon Hayward going and
we're a better team. Oh yeah, Hey, we pay one
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guy million dollars a year or so when he's effective,
we're better. Huh. Marcus Smart said this, It makes our
team even better when he's the confident Gordon and he's
playing like the Gordon. We know the man keeps working
and working, and even though things aren't going for him,
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he continues to work. He doesn't quit. And that's why
we're so so optimistic about getting the old Gordon back,
because we see how hard he works. Al Horford when
he has these big games, we all feed off him.
He's such a good player. We're just better when he
plays at that level. We're just a better team. It's
really interesting on how sometimes we focus on one thing,
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on one guy, and we lose focus of the whole
or of another key factor. It's air to point out
that the Lakers, as much as Lebron hasn't been the same,
he hasn't had the same energy defensively, he hasn't been
able to carry this group. I've told people all along
that because of the construct of this team, not having
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a Lonzo Ball has been a major, major deficit for
the Lakers. And you're like, Lonzo Ball can't make a
free throw, a Lonzo Ball is not a good shooter.
These things are true, But when you're Superstar requires some
help defensively, and you have an incredibly young, versatile defender
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who's also a good rebounder who who can generate offense
and momentum and and pass the ball up the court,
get other people involved, make everyone else better. He becomes
more important than his stats would tell you. This is
the case in so many sports, where we were so
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focused on Clayton Kershaw and what he does in the
seventh inning that we lose sight of the fact that, well,
maybe the story is actually that the Dodgers middle relief
or the fact that Kenley Jansen hasn't been as good
in the World Series the past two years as his
stats would tell you they should be. I completely understand
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that Kyrie Irving has some body language issues, some issues
with being a hypocrite and saying he doesn't want attention
when all of his actions stream for attention, when he
doesn't want to talk about the future, and yet he
doesn't want to commit to the present. I get it,
but it should also be pointed out and credit Rap
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Puker he joined us. We've had a long discussion. I've
talked about this in my All Ball podcast, Like look,
they're they're they've been trying to play Gordon Hayward more
minutes than he deserves for nights like last night, because
they know what he has in him. This, by the way,
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is why you need a true believer, a rabbi in
the room. This is it And if you don't have that,
you're never going to get the benefit of the doubt. Like, yeah,
do guys on that team believe in Gordon Hayward. Sure,
they know he was an All Star, they know how
hard he works, but that's not why he's been getting
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all these minutes and all these opportunities all season long
when his play hasn't earned it. Because he's got Brad Stevens.
Brad Stevens has known him since he's sixteen years old.
Brad Stevens was there and he was with Brad during
Brad's first year as a head coach. They are boys,
they are tight, and while sometimes that works against Brad
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Stevens in terms of how they deal with the Gordon
Hayward thing. Like, you know, I gotta be really critical
of if I get on Gordon Hayward because he's boys
with Brad, even like he's like a son to Brad
or a brother to Brad. I gotta be careful. All
that's accurate, Like the Hayward thing is the bigger thing
with the Celtics. Then the Kyrie thing is just the
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Kyrie thing is out in front of his and it
distracts us from all this other stuff. You go back
to the downfall of the Lakers dynasty with Shack and Kobe.
If you if you go back and remember they were
playing the Pistons in the finals and Karmelone got hurt
and Rick Fox got hurt. You know, you start suffering,
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you start suffering injuries. I mean, you go back to win.
Magic Johnson lost to the Celtics in the NBA Finals,
Byron Scott got hurt. You go back to you go
to I've said this for a long time. When the
Calves came back from three games three games to one
deficit to the Warriors, it should be pointing out and
I only did Draymond Greek got suspended, but Andrew Boga
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got hurt in Game five. Here's how important Andrew Bogan is.
He ain't played in the league all year. The Warriors,
knowing that he's finally in good shape, went out and
just resigned him because he's a great pastor, great teammate,
good room protector, and maybe the best of the illegal
screener in the history of the NBA. And if that
gets Steph Curry two extra jump shots of game. He's
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worth his weight in gold. That. Yeah, Lebron and Kyrie
were amazing, and sure Steph Curry struggled, and there was
the Chase down block and the May three. But but
we and we do remember the suspension of Draymond Green, right,
Draymond Geen getting getting suspended for stepping over Lebron James,
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which is really accumulative suspension. It was kind of a
joke in in reality that helped it, and so too
did did Andrew Boga getting hurt. Even last year for
the Warriors, everybody points out Chris Paul getting hurt. That's accurate,
but no have said, you know, Andrea Godala wasn't wasn't
healthy in the Western Conference finals, anytime they had Andrea Goodala,
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they were in complete and total control. Anytime they weren't.
Guess who the Houston Rockets were going after defensively, and
Jordan Bell and Kavon Looney and Quinn Cook, the guys
who were replacing that one missing piece in the lineup.
The cliche expression is you're only as strong as your
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weakest link. And whether Gordon Hayward is their weakest link
or whether he's just a guy who everyone knows has
it in him, and the Celtics are going to continue
to get it at try and get it out of
him until ultimately he gets back into form, knowing that
this is the this is the exact same path that
Paul George took when he suffered the exact same injury
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four years before. But whatever it is, the story of
last night was not Kyrie Irving and his leadership. It
had nothing to do with whether or not Kyrie has
finally gotten the attention of his teammates. It's that Gordon Hayward,
who's an All Star in the Loaded West and was
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the number one free agent prize two off seasons ago,
look like Gordon Hayward last night, And when he does,
the Celtics might just be the best team in the NBA,
And when he doesn't, they're just another team. Be sure
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app. He's Charlie Cashley
of the NFL Network. He joins us on The Doug
got Leap Show. Not much going on, Charlie, not not
a lot of we have to dig out some things
to catch up on. Huh. I guess so quite quite
a couple of days. Huh. So uh, let's let's get
to the Kyler Murray. UM. I think what happens is
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people think that there's some inherent bias in whatever reporting
or analysis. Um, when when you pulled teams on Kyler
Murray about how many how many different league executives did
you speak speak to? Well, first of all, we're talking
about probably the two different things. I had a poll
before the combine where I talked to one teams okay,
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high level of people, and I said, give me your
top four quarterbacks, raded in order. At the end of it,
it was basically a dead heat. Askin's had ten votes,
Murray had nine and a half, Um, Jones and Duke
had one locker Missouri had a half and that's pretty
much how it went there. So that's uh, that was it.
You know, after this, I talked to more than two teams.
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I'll leave it at that, UM, and just you know,
tell me about the interviews for all four quarterbacks and surprisingly, um,
you know Murray do do don't do that? Well when
you summarize it, the area is of leadership work ethic.
Uh and then what the questions I asked him on
the football board, Well, we're not for more questions and
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answers for him were very good. But a fali now though, Yeah,
that's an interview. That's a fifteen min interview. Nobody is
going to make a decision on a fifteen minut interview.
What I did was report on the fifteen million because
I thought it was something that you know, it was interesting. Um,
teams are gonna go through a long process in the spring.
There are quarterbacks in the one playoff games that failed
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fifteen and interviews, so there's a lot more to it
than that. And Friday on up to the Minute with
the NFL Network one to two, I'm gonna go and
show how this guy can be successful in the NFL
throwing the football. That segment was set up long before
we had the thing yesterday. Um, I see now I
read what you reported and what I found that I
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do think some people missed. One was you and you
tell me if I'm wrong, But you said it's the
worst that there was the worst day'd seen for a
high level quarterback prospect. So where does that where does
that cut off? Because you know, people said last year
that Lamar Jackson was very nonverbal, was was far behind. Um,
So what in terms of because you you I think
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you contextualize it with for a high level quarterback prospect?
Is that for the top prospect in the draft, this
is the worst interviews of its kind? Is that how
you would contextualize it? High level? To me is a
top ten pick. We'll say, okay, um, now what has
to happen is this Lamar Jackson. They went with an
option offense, That's what and they were successful and in
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the end, you know, the charge is caught up with
him and defense. I think you've got to have the
right offense for Kyle Murray, everyone said that what is
the right offense? That's what I'm gonna show on the
show on Friday. There is a right offense where this
guy can be successful. I thought on tape the guy
was phenomenal, made all the throws, strong arm, obviously he's mobile. Um,
you know, did a nice job to me on accuracy.
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So he read defense is pretty good as simple as
the things he might have seen. So a lot of
positives on tape. The system is key for this guy
to be success. Why I do think everyone knows that.
So the point is not everybody's gonna take this guy.
That's one thing that can happen here. But I Arizona
and take them. I'll be surprised. How can you find
out somebody's leadership in fifteen minutes? That's that's what people are.
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You can but you can't. But um, you can get
a feeling of how the guy carries himself in the room. Okay,
there's a certain way you carry yourself. Uh certain the
way you you know, answer questions that you can say,
I'm not sure this guy. How this guy is gonna
fit and run an NFL team. I trained players for
the Combine, training over hunter players. This guy could not
have been trained for the Innate. But based on the
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things that I was told. Charlie Cashley from the NFL
Network joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. How much
of it is the juxtaposition with Dwayne Haskins, who apparently
performed really well in these interviews, And how much of
it is the juxtaposition of Kyler Murray versus Baker Mayfield,
who was like a like a savant at the white
board last year? Is it the is it? How much
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of it is the comparison to those two. Do you
mean the comparison to Baker, Mayfield and Haskins, Yes, ky
Kyler Murray Kyler Murray, Kylerburry me being measure up against
Dayne Haskins. Kyler Murray is an Oklahoma guy being measured
up against. Like, Hey, last year we had Baker and
he was unbelievable. This year we got this guy and
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he's quiet and he's not nearly the same at the
white board. Do you think that plays into it all? Um? Yeah,
I divide my answer to two points. Number one, No,
he's one is not compared to another one in that
individual session. However, I think it's logical to compare Mayfield
and Murray coming from Oklahoma, and Uh, what I was
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told is that, you know, Mayfield is ahead of him
in all the areas that we talked about, as far
as the work ethic, Uh, you know, the handling the
board stuff, um, and in leadership. Now, leadership may come
in many different ways, but that that's the stuff that's
been told to me by multiple people too. Charlie Cashley
joining us in the Doug Out Live show on Fox
Sports Radio. What were the reports on on Dwayne Haskins,
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a guy who threw fifty touchdown passes, a guy who
also only started a year in college at Ohio State,
and their offense was not not necessarily pro offense, but
he put up some ridiculous numbers and it's more of
a pocket quarterback, bigger size. What were the reports on
on Haskins, Well, you know, a pocket quarterback the forty.
I don't think people they may have been a little
surprised at but four nine five might have been the
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guests anyway. So he fell for five, not a big difference.
Sharp on the board, though sharp on the board. He
did very well. They had grasped what they asked him
and the questions they asked him. That that came back
from all the people are interviews, Charlie Cashley joining us
in the Doug Gotlip Show. Just you you mentioned for
Kyler Murray it's canna depend upon the system. There is
this assumption and I think some of it we hear,
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we repeat that we what we hear from the league,
but some of it is we're in media people. We'd
like to think that there's an evolution taking place. Should
be pointing out that Tom Brady want a super bowl
from the pocket. You know, Philip rivers from the pocket
like you can get I know Mahomes can can stretch
the pocket, but it's his ability to make all the
throws from and sometimes out of the pocket. Aaron Rodgers
as well. Like has the league changed that much or
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is it more we we we really want to see
more mobile quarterbacks, but those mobile quarterbacks don't have they
still don't have a long shelf life. What's the reality
to it? Well, one thing has changed, the shotgun. Shotgun
is used as a primary formation by a lot of teams.
That that hasn't that that that has changed there? Um,
things evolved the run pass options in the game, but
there have been another revolutions too, and teams, depending upon
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who the team is, sometimes defends that better uh than
other teams. But teams know how to defend it. Let
me say that. Um So anyway, I think that as
far as the evolution goes, um, I think the shotgun,
some of the run pass options, those are the types
of things that I see now Again, you're right, pocket quarterback,
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they're the ones that have won the Super bowls. Um,
We're getting a little closer now because Mahomes who ran
more of a pocket offense than an option offense. But
he made a lot of plays outside the pocket, So
but I wouldn't I still consider him a pocket attempting
to be a pocket guy. And time will evolve. But
we haven't seen a through option type guy. Um, and
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I'm not sure we will see that. Charlie Cashley joining
us to the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
you mentioned that there were there were other quarterbacks. How
far is the drop off after those top two in
terms of your evaluation another's evaluation of the quarterback position today? Well,
Murray is kind of an outlier. It's either you love
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him or we're not gonna take him. All right, So
let's let's assume Murray and Haskins are up there. Okay,
Haskin and Haskins and Murray or Haskins, who's traditional is
ahead of? Um? You know the Duke kid and the
Missouri kid. Now here's the thing, Um, I think that
the Duke guy. I think that guy the middle of
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the first round, the Missouri guy. People talk about it.
If somebody takes him in the little first round, I
think that's gonna be a reach. I think he's more
of a later first round guy, top of the second guy,
top of the top of the second round US me, yeah,
but but like your it sounds like your expectations for
a Drew lock for Daniel Jones is far less than
that of Dwayne Haskins, Right, I get there's like a
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there's a yeah, I guess. I guess I didn't answer
you a question the way you wanted. I I see.
I like Jones a lot. I think Haskins has a
bigger upside. Uh And Jones maybe where he is because
of the system, and he masses the system. Now how
much better he's gonna get? Um, but I like I
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like Jones from Duke. I like him a lot. I
think he can win with the guy. Charlie Cashley from
the NFL Network, long time front office guy, course a
long time with the NFL Network as well, kind of
have to spend some time with this. Yere Doug Gottlib show,
Fox Sports Radio, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Basically, it's like running
an auction. Right by Friday, all bids are in. Um,
what what do you think of Antonio Brown and what
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will have to be done to make sure that that
the off the field nonsense doesn't drag on the field
and whatever for his next stop is well, if there's
any guarantee about that part of it, Um, But to
answer you a question, you'll have to make him the
top paid receiver in football, so he can um get
away from that. But Tyreek Hill is about to be paid,
so you may wait a little bit longer. And and uh,
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you might be able to solve another problem by him saying, well,
I'm gonna be one. I don't want to be too. Uh.
And maybe that's maybe that's what his people will want
you to do in that situation. UM, I think that
he's got to be with a team with a strong culture. Uh.
He can't be with a young team. I think that's
gonna be where his best success is gonna come. Uh.
He's got to be with a coach that can can
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deal with him. I think Gruden. And I'm saying everything
about that theoretical team. Bruten's team isn't that team. But
Gruden's coach some different personalities, and he has a quarterback
and he probably only cares about how many balls he catches. Anyway,
what about Levy on Bell? What's What's I mean? Aren't
we looking? We watched Todd Gurley, And I know Todd
Gurley suffered a knee injury in college, so maybe it's
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a little bit different. Maybe that's where some of the
Arthur just set in that now that's the report that
he's got a bit of an arthritic me and and
he just took too much of a workload. But you know,
they gave him a huge deal, and in the first
year of a new deal, he's already had to have
some limited carries and was wasn't the same guy at
the end of the season. What do you think the
overall value is going to be for a levy on
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Bell who hadn't played in the season, but was as
dynamical back as it was in the league before he
sat out a year. Uh. Excellent question. Um, Obviously, I
I don't really know the answer. And I see the
point about Girly, and that could be a hesitation with teams,
you know, taking running backs on a second contract. Um,
sometimes don't finish the contract. But his free agency, and
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there's teams that need money and have money, so I
would I would think he would get a contract north
of Girly. Um, And I don't know what we're buying. Uh.
The guy in Pittsburgh, was a good player who wanted
to play, was enthusiastic, was not a problem, nothing like
Antonio Brown. He said, a year off, I take him
a while to get back in his eight is good enough.
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We should be able to still be productive. Um, I'm
not sure you'll get the whole contract out of him.
And what he's gonna want is his money up front
the first two years. So if you have a lot
of cap room that works good, you'll eat you'll you'll
eat up some cap he'll make his money, and a
year three you have no liability. So that's kind of
the contract I see getting a set here. Uh, and
he'll he'll make his money because teams can pay it
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in free agency. But I would take Lavy on Bill, Yeah,
I would take him. I getting My question would be
at at what price? Charlie, great information. Really appreciate you
join us and thanks me our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
great with you now, all right, that's Charlie. That's Charlie
Cashley of the NFL Network. Check out the NFL Network
on Friday one pm. He'll have a breakdown to Kyler
Murray and what will make him successful in the National
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I actually like Antonio, Uh, Antonio Brown to the Raiders,
I do this from Ian rappaport, Uh, this is a
little bit more on what you're from. Dan Buyer pegging
teams involved in talks remains elusive and fluid. Rapping Board
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added three new teams have jumped into the frame the
last forty eight hours. While the Jets and Cardinals are
out of the competition, the Raiders have been one team
consistently linked to the Antonio Brown rumors. So what in
what Ian Rapping words reporting others reporting is that, look,
all bids are in by Friday. You know you've you've called,
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you've made what will we offer? Like? Look, And people
do this in real estate all the time. You you
list something actually low, like a low price. You know,
you listed of the house for five thousand, five hundred
thousand dollars, knowing it's a six hundred thousand dollar house,
hoping you get a bunch of bids, and then once
you get the bids, then you go back to all
the buiddings like, look, we got a six hundred thousand
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dollar bid. You know, if you want to go up,
all right, then final bids. So this is just a
bidding process, that's all it is. And this is the
Steelers going like all right, final bids. We need them
in by Friday. And I think the Raiders make a
ton of sense. Now, do I love the idea of
paying Antonio Brown more than any wide receiver in the
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Nation Football League? Not really, I mean rewarding his type
of behavior only in powers his type of behavior. But
I'd like to see how the contract destructure. Remember, the
Raiders have a ton of cas space, ton of cas space.
And one of the things they have in Gruden is
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Gruden has a nine more years on his contract. You're
not You're not running the coach out of town. The
Raiders have also sat, you know, historically sat players even
in their prime. I mean, um, Marcus Allen obviously, you
know he crossed whatever he did to end up crossing,
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you know, ownership back in the day. The fact is
that Al Davis sat him in his prime and played
Bo Jackson instead. Some off the field stuff. But but
more than anything, I think that Gruden's tenure, Gruden having
won a Super Bowl, Gruden having dealt with unique personalities before,
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like a Keyshawn Johnson back in the day. He'll draw
on that. Gruden can say, like, look, we had Jerry
Rice in the second phase of his career. He was
incredibly successful. We had uh, we had Tim Brown in
the second phase of his career, and look how successful
he was. I mean, if if the idea is we
had Leviyan Bell, we had Antonio Brown, we keep Derek Carr,
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I don't think this is where you want Kyler Murray,
though the rumors of he wants Kyler Murray, Like, yeah,
I don't want a rookie quarterback. I want a venturing quarterback,
and I want somebody who knows how to get the
ball out. And if if you look at what many
people believe the Raiders will do in the upcoming NFL draft, right,
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it'll start to make some sense to you. If Josh
Allen is available and you sit there and go like, okay,
here's what they did did They had to pay Khalil
Mack ninety million dollars guaranteed to keep him, so instead
they trade him, get two first round picks, and one
of them is Josh Allen, who may not be as productive,
but younger and a fraction of the price of what
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you would have had to pay for Khalil Mack and
a ton of town. And then with the money that
we saved, and we also trade away our top wide receiver,
and with the money that he would have maken fourteen
million this year, maybe we pay seventeen million this year
to get Antonio Brown. We got a better Antonio Brown
is better? Right? Does anybody anybody want to argue that
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Antonio Brown is not the better wide receiver of the two?
Of course not, of course, not all right? So I
look at it and you go, well, you know, look
at what what Gruden would be able to get a
better wide receiver, get a younger uh rush end, and
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get a better running back than they had, and then
use all the rest of the picks, all the rest
of the cap space to fill in all those other holes,
especially on the defensive side of football where they were
not very good. Continue to fix that offensive line, and
you have yourself a much better football team immediately. Do
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I have questions about the culture stuff, of course I do.
But the culture is established by the head coach, is
established by the quarterback. And though Derek Carr has been
up and down as a quarterback. Nobody questions his his
ability to be the right dude off the football field.
And John Gruden is the unquestioned leader in that locker
room and in the front office, and he's not going anywhere.
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a longtime NBA reporter. He's Rick Buker from Bleacher Report. Um,
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you were the one. You were like the first one
nationally point out like, Hey, Gordon Hayward is kind of
the key to this whole thing with the Celtics. I'm
sure you felt a little bit of vindication. But how
much different is that team when Hayward looks like you
look last night? Yeah, I was there live watching it happen,
and certainly he was a contributor and there was a
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flow to their team, and you didn't feel like you
were trying to go that that the Celtics are trying
to go out of their way to feature him or
to get him going. Everything was happening within the flow. Um,
I just I don't know how much of that was
the Celtics Doug, to be honest, and how much of
it was the Warriors as far as just you know,
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you've got two teams that are trying to prove that
they can be what we ultimately expect them to be. Obviously,
the Warriors failed the test and the Celtics passed it.
But how much of the Celtics passing it was the
Warriors failing it so miserably That's the part I'm still
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trying to figure out. It's a great point, Um. I've
been a skeptic of to Marcus Cousins because he does
not fit the way in which they play, and he's
never played playoff basketball, and he's going to be asked
to do things that I don't I don't know if
he's physically capable of doing, specifically defensively, like that's a
hard one to to try and hide him or to
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guard ball schemes completely differently with your center. Um, how
much of some of their issues is trying to figure
out what the hew do we do with DeMarcus Cousins.
They just signed Andrew Bogut, they just pulled a guy
from yesteryear out of Australia in order to give them
a big who understands how they want to play and
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to possibly get something out of the five position. If
that doesn't tell you the level of alarm on the
Warriors end of things as far as what they are
and aren't getting out of boogie, I don't know what will.
And And the thing is that, as you pointed out,
and this is what really really bothered me, it bothers
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me even more now than it did then, which is
everybody throwing their arms up, Oh my goodness, they're adding
another All Star. It's so un there. Do we understand
what an All Star is? Do we understand that not
all star? All all Stars are created equal and all
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Stars someone who's selected at least in part because the
league wants to distribute the fandom and the accolades in
the league. So you know, it's really hard. You gotta
be really good to get multiples. You know, if if
there's a guy who's having a good year, even if
it's not a add team, chances are he could be
an All Star. And it's for what it's for fifty
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sixty sixty games regular season games, that gets you to
be an All Star. And I don't do any of
this to discount what DeMarcus Cousins has been and is
capable of. But just to say they're adding another All Star,
oh my god. Uh, it's just it's wholly unfair, goes
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right past all the things you just mentioned, which is okay, Well,
he was an All Star over here on a team
that never made the playoffs, that played as him as
the centerpiece, which by the way, gets you the numbers
that gets you into All Star status. And now you're
putting him into a team that's supposed to be playing
for a championship, and he's supposed to play a role
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and in a completely different system. And oh, by the way,
he's coming back from a torn achilles. The idea that
they were adding an All Star, I'm sure you can tell,
like it infuriates me that anybody was singing that song
and suggesting that somehow the Warriors had gotten over on
the league. It ignored everything else about the picture. I
completely I said it at the time, and I also
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say and like you know, and the other part is
how he handles it when he's not playing at the
end of playoff games, because they finished playoff games with
their death lineup, right, That's that's that's that's what they do. Um,
what do you make? You know? K D continues to
be he was trying to be you know, corporate yesterday,
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trying to not take any what he called bait. I think,
but man, it's tough to watch him in a press conference.
Is there ever going to be a moment which he
lightens up. Yeah, that's a good question because as of
right now, he's That's not the mindset of Katie. Katie
is very much in the mindset of I'm gonna say
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what I want to say. I'm going to speak my piece.
And the more that people kind of trying to back
him up on that, I think the more the more
provocative he's going to be, the more stubborn he's going
to be, and saying I'm not going to try to
be PC, I'm not going to try to uh, you know,
to to mollify what I say. And the other the
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other part though, is is like being around the team,
being in the locker room and somebody else pointed this
out to me and and I paid attention to it.
Is that you know, last year he and Draymond were
really tight, and there was a lot of interaction between
k D and and the rest of the team for
the last couple of years. UM this year is really different.
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He is you don't see and I'm not around the
team on the daily basis, So keep that in in
in context. But I don't see the same interaction between
him and other guys on the team. And he has
his locker in the corner, and it's kind of the
k D space, and it's just different, and and his
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it feels as if he is keeping everybody at arm's length,
and that's the team included. And I don't want to
read too much into this in spite of all that
I've heard, but if a guy is making an exit, uh,
he wants to start breaking those bonds sooner rather than later.
It makes it a lot easier to step out that
door if you've already edged towards the exit. Is New
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York still still the destination? I would I from everything
that I know, Yes, I'll put it this way. Other
people that I talked to in New York are you know,
they're quietly confident that that if you know, it's it's
basically he this has a happy ending with Golden state,
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and that convinces k D. You know what, I want
to stick around. I want to get some more of
this and uh, then that happens. But if he is
of the mind that he's going to go someplace else,
New York seems to be very confident that that's the
place he's going to last. Rick Puker joining us from
Bleacher Report, Let's get down the coast where people continue
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to maybe we can basically call the season. Discuss the Lakers,
and today Lebron said, like, hey, look, these guys are
really young. Look around the NBA. Look at the playoff teams.
None of them have young rosters. You know, basically four
or five are top eight or nine are young guys
second or third year in the league. What do you expect, Um,
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he's playing the we're young cards suddenly. What's what's interesting is,
I don't know if you saw this, Tom hab Astro
he he tweeted out a video. The tanem he has
the lowest plus minus with is actually Rondo. He's a
minus fifty five playing with Rondo. And the guys he
has the highest plus minus with are the young guys.
They've actually been way better for him. It's been it's
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been the veterans. Um, there's roster composition problems, there's the
problem of you know, Luke's ability to coach him and
to coach this team. Injuries have been a problem, but
Lebron himself has been a problem. Who deserves what portion
of the blame in l A Well, I look, if
they were successful, who would we give all the credit
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to Lebron? So how can we not say it's not working,
it hasn't worked and not and I and I say
this as a compliment. I mean, I believe. I believe
from the beginning of the year, I didn't think they
were going to be title contenders, but I thought that
they would make it into the playoffs strictly on the
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presence of Lebron James, that he would drag them there,
that he would find a way to utilize those pieces
around him. And it does not surprise me. I don't
know that it's fair to say, you know, he does it,
that he works better with veteran players and uh and
make the comparison to they've done with the younger players,
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and use that Rondo as that example, because Rondo is
a guy that he needs to he needs to be
the director, he needs to be the operator, and Lebron
needs to be the operator. I didn't always believe that necessarily,
but from what I've seen this season, it's like, can
he play a complimentary role? Could he make enough room
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for let's to let Rondo operate and decide things and
have Lebron playoff the ball. And I said it from
the beginning of the year, not thinking that it would
really happen, but I thought that the the best avenue
for this team, and I may have said it to
you before, the best avenue for this team would be
if Lebron James focused his energy at the defensive end
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of the floor and set the tempo and the example there,
because I believe that with Rondo and the other pieces
and what Lebron is capable of doing off the ball,
that they would have enough offensively to get things done.
But that what they really needed was that team to
embrace the idea that if we're going to be good
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brandon Ingram, you've got to defend Josh Hart, you've got
to defend Kyle Kuzma, you've got to defend like that's
where we have to accept the challenge. And nothing would
have sold that more than Lebron James saying I'm gonna
show you how because I'm gonna I'm gonna make that sacrifice.
And it's been it's been the opposite. And here's the
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other part. When he got hurt, he went, he went
to Hollywood. You know, he fell off the face of
the earth. He shows up at games with wine his hands,
like you don't think you have any you know, executives
don't mean to interrupt you, but you have any executives
And people around the league have pointed that out, like
as an an exemple exemplar of you. You're preaching this
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team should be all about the right things and keep
its focus on basketball, and you're walking into the arena
with a glass of wine late late late. It's it's
it's do what I say, not what I do. I'm sorry,
the NBA doesn't work that way. I don't care how
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good you are. It's okay. So, um, I mean, Luke's
gonna lose his job, right, I mean, that's that's that's
that's the first thing. Um. And then if if he
doesn't lose it, I think he I think he honestly
at this point, he would walk. I really, I really
think that Luke is done with this, like he's been
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put in an impossible situation and he's taking slings and
arrows that. Look, the people that are close to him,
that that love him and want to see him successful
and think that he's been done dirty by this situation.
Nobody is saying that he's perfect as a coach. Nobody's
saying that he's a guy that when you know, undefeated
through twenty four games with the with with the Warriors,
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whatever the number was, it is uh. But but they
do think that he deserves way better than the position
that he's been put into. And the I mean, I
look between social media and being at Lakers games. The
people that are blaming Luke for this team in this
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situation is look, well look, look there's there there's a
there's a bunch to it. Though. Hold on, let's let's
start Okay, Look, Polinka and Magic have done a terrible job. Okay,
let's let's just start with the contavious Caldwell Pope, which
whatever they did last year for cap Space, I think
they thought that like he and Magic, he and Lebron
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were boys because they're both wrapped by clutch and they're
they're not so and Pope he is not a he
is not he is not a playoff caliber rotation player.
He's cost them games, cost them games, and he's not
a smart player. And among the things that turn Lebron
off munch and look we we will. I will hold
Lebron responsible for Lebron. But dude, when you when when
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you're playing the Bucks and you're trying to keep a
eye for the playoffs and you can't turn to throw
the ball inbounds in the NBA, like, I'm done, I'm
done with you. I'm sorry, I'm done with you. Like
I think Blank blank and Magic have done a bad
job in terms of evaluating the roster. Heck, they go
and get Tyson Chandler like Channeling was good for five games.
But he's he's washed up, he's done, he's a coach now,
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he can't can't play. They had Brooke Lopez, they let
him go, like they made some they made some errors
in judgment. Lebron is responsible, but so is Luke. Now
Lucas played some odd lineups and gotten exposed and not
had to plan for up three D foul Do you
not foul? Like some of the stuff is on Luke.
I agree with you that it's it's a relatively impossible situation.
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But I don't think he was. He was up to
up to a legitimate fight, even if he didn't think
it was a fair fight. Okay, fair enough, but I'm
gonna take what he did with this team when he
had young guys and it was really his because this
is the is something that everybody has to understand. And
I'm sure you know. Once you have Lebron, you are
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playing and I don't know what percentage you want to
put it on. With the Lakers, you're playing the Lebron system.
You're not making calls. Lebron is making calls. Lebron is
deciding where they're gonna go and what they're gonna do.
And you may make a call, but Lebron half the time,
if again I don't know the percentages, but a considerable
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amount of the time is gonna veto it. He's gonna
do something else, and you're gonna let him go because
one he's Lebron into because you you, for the most part,
you trust his vision. A lot of times you may
be right, you see something you you would you in
bolden your players that are of that level to make
those kind of a decision. I look at what Luke
was able to do with this young team when it
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was just Okay, let me, here's are my pieces. This
is how I'm gonna make it work. So the part
that I don't quite it's just hard for me to
put on his plate is I don't know how to
this is they're doing exactly what he wanted them to
do or he didn't give them the necessary instruction, and
how much of it is there's a confusion between what
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they were doing and now what Lebron decides that they
should do in any given situation. I'm not blaming one
or the other, but because of that confusion, I don't
know how exactly how much of this to put on
Luke's play. Um Adam Silver had a really I thought,
I thought it was fascinating discussion with um Bill Stimuels
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last last last Friday. I just thought, like, you know,
like he's just so he's really incredibly bright and talking
about I mean, I watched the entire interviewers talking about,
you know, how millennials they watched TV shop this is
the like the only scheduled TV show is live sports.
But how to how to get them to understand that?
Hey seven eight o'clock at night. That's when our games are.
You can't move them like you can move anything else. Like.
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But the part that everybody's taking away is the part
of where you said, Hey, these guys are legitimately unhappy.
And of course you got the veteran guys like Charles
Barkley even Jalen Rose like, are you stop it with
your legitimately unhappy? Um, when you hear it, you've been
covering this league for twenty years, what do you think
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that that players are unhappy? Yes, that they're like legitimately unhappy,
you know, because of whether it's social media, the pressures
of their job, the travel. And he's like the sensitive
commission like I understand their unhappiness and the rest of
inshis and they're going like, don't don't really get it? Um,
you know what, what what do you think when you
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hear him say that that, Hey, like, here's players that
are legitimately unhappy. Yeah, well, I think I think it's true.
And I think that any era that was subject to
what's going on now would have the same feelings. You know,
the old guys who want to say, oh, they're just
saw and I heard Look, I was at the game
last night, I was around some veteran players, some old
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time players. That was what they were griping about. These
guys are so soft, they don't play, they don't like
I mean it, just look, if anybody coming up in
this day and age you grew up wanting to play basketball.
The game is not the most important thing anymore. The game.
It's a it's a transaction league, and it's a At
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any given time, anything you do is going to be
parsed and put out there and go viral, and that
is going to define who you are. It really doesn't
even matter whether you win or lose. It's I mean,
I and look, I'm with Bleacher Report, where is active
on social media as anybody. The number of times I
see a play go out look so and so good.
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Put it. Put this guy in a coffin and a
bodybaged and whatever, and I'm going to he lost by
twenty Who cares like the things that are celebrated and
the things that are critiqued. A guy goes up and
challenges a dunk and he gets dunked on, but his
team wins, and we don't we don't illustrate everything else
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that that guy did in the course of the game
to win the game. We just illustrate that he got
dunked on. I'm like, how do you if you are
if you play the game? Like, how do you live
in that where you don't have any control over the
image that is created and what people are saying about you?
And by the way they're saying all of it all
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of the time, I look unhappy. I mean, you still
you get to play this game that you love, and
you're getting paid a ton and you have a great
lot of this. I get where people will go, what
do they have to be unhappy about? But the uncertainty
of what you're doing and how you're being judged, I
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kind of get that. It's an unsettling place to be.
And there's never been an era of of professional basketball
players that have had to exist in in this kind
of environment. So I'm real slow to hear the old
guys going these guys are just soft. It's it's a
little bit more than that. Great stuff from Rick Buker
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Night as the World turns and the soap opera of
the NBA. The Boston Celtics, who of course we're mired
in a nasty little losing um vortex, pulled themselves out,
pulled up their bootstraps and went in and whooped up
on the Warriors, who did not have Clay Thompson. In
(01:05):
fairness to the Dubs, but but the the the drubbing
was just that it was an epic and complete beat down,
and it was helped by thirty points from Gordon Hayward.
I thought he looked spriteful. I thought he looked athletic.
I thought he looked like, well, Gordon Hayward, who was
(01:26):
an All Star two years ago, who was the prized
free agent acquisition of the summer two years ago, and
a guy who had missed all of last year after
playing two minutes before breaking his leg. That that's what
he He He looked like, the guy before he became the
guy who was coming back from injury. And then I
(01:47):
saw this, that that Boston. The Celtics are eighteen and
two in the twenty games this season in which Hayward
has shot at least fifty from the floor, seventeen of
twenty two in games in which he doesn't, seventeen and
twenty two. Seems pretty easy. Get Gordon Hayward going and
we're a better team. Oh yeah, Hey, we pay one
(02:08):
guy million dollars a year or so when he's effective,
we're better. Huh. Marcus Smart said this, It makes our
team even better when he's the confident Gordon and he's
playing like the Gordon. We know the man keeps working
and working, and even though things aren't going for him,
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he continues to work. He doesn't quit. And that's why
we're so so optimistic about getting the old Gordon back,
because we see how hard he works. Al Horford when
he has these big games, we all feed off him.
He's such a good player. We're just better when he
plays at that level. We're just a better team. It's
really interesting on how sometimes we focus on one thing,
(02:53):
on one guy, and we lose focus of the whole
or of another key factor. It's air to point out
that the Lakers, as much as Lebron hasn't been the same,
he hasn't had the same energy defensively, he hasn't been
able to carry this group. I've told people all along
that because of the construct of this team, not having
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a Lonzo Ball has been a major, major deficit for
the Lakers. And you're like, Lonzo Ball can't make a
free throw, a Lonzo Ball is not a good shooter.
These things are true, But when you're Superstar requires some
help defensively, and you have an incredibly young, versatile defender
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who's also a good rebounder who who can generate offense
and momentum and and pass the ball up the court,
get other people involved, make everyone else better. He becomes
more important than his stats would tell you. This is
the case in so many sports, where we were so
(03:56):
focused on Clayton Kershaw and what he does in the
seventh inning that we lose sight of the fact that, well,
maybe the story is actually that the Dodgers middle relief
or the fact that Kenley Jansen hasn't been as good
in the World Series the past two years as his
stats would tell you they should be. I completely understand
(04:19):
that Kyrie Irving has some body language issues, some issues
with being a hypocrite and saying he doesn't want attention
when all of his actions stream for attention, when he
doesn't want to talk about the future, and yet he
doesn't want to commit to the present. I get it,
but it should also be pointed out and credit Rap
(04:42):
Puker he joined us. We've had a long discussion. I've
talked about this in my All Ball podcast, Like look,
they're they're they've been trying to play Gordon Hayward more
minutes than he deserves for nights like last night, because
they know what he has in him. This, by the way,
(05:03):
is why you need a true believer, a rabbi in
the room. This is it And if you don't have that,
you're never going to get the benefit of the doubt. Like, yeah,
do guys on that team believe in Gordon Hayward. Sure,
they know he was an All Star, they know how
hard he works, but that's not why he's been getting
(05:25):
all these minutes and all these opportunities all season long
when his play hasn't earned it. Because he's got Brad Stevens.
Brad Stevens has known him since he's sixteen years old.
Brad Stevens was there and he was with Brad during
Brad's first year as a head coach. They are boys,
they are tight, and while sometimes that works against Brad
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Stevens in terms of how they deal with the Gordon
Hayward thing. Like, you know, I gotta be really critical
of if I get on Gordon Hayward because he's boys
with Brad, even like he's like a son to Brad
or a brother to Brad. I gotta be careful. All
that's accurate, Like the Hayward thing is the bigger thing
with the Celtics. Then the Kyrie thing is just the
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Kyrie thing is out in front of his and it
distracts us from all this other stuff. You go back
to the downfall of the Lakers dynasty with Shack and Kobe.
If you if you go back and remember they were
playing the Pistons in the finals and Karmelone got hurt
and Rick Fox got hurt. You know, you start suffering,
(06:35):
you start suffering injuries. I mean, you go back to win.
Magic Johnson lost to the Celtics in the NBA Finals,
Byron Scott got hurt. You go back to you go
to I've said this for a long time. When the
Calves came back from three games three games to one
deficit to the Warriors, it should be pointing out and
I only did Draymond Greek got suspended, but Andrew Boga
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got hurt in Game five. Here's how important Andrew Bogan is.
He ain't played in the league all year. The Warriors,
knowing that he's finally in good shape, went out and
just resigned him because he's a great pastor, great teammate,
good room protector, and maybe the best of the illegal
screener in the history of the NBA. And if that
gets Steph Curry two extra jump shots of game. He's
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worth his weight in gold. That. Yeah, Lebron and Kyrie
were amazing, and sure Steph Curry struggled, and there was
the Chase down block and the May three. But but
we and we do remember the suspension of Draymond Green, right,
Draymond Geen getting getting suspended for stepping over Lebron James,
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which is really accumulative suspension. It was kind of a
joke in in reality that helped it, and so too
did did Andrew Boga getting hurt. Even last year for
the Warriors, everybody points out Chris Paul getting hurt. That's accurate,
but no have said, you know, Andrea Godala wasn't wasn't
healthy in the Western Conference finals, anytime they had Andrea Goodala,
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they were in complete and total control. Anytime they weren't.
Guess who the Houston Rockets were going after defensively, and
Jordan Bell and Kavon Looney and Quinn Cook, the guys
who were replacing that one missing piece in the lineup.
The cliche expression is you're only as strong as your
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weakest link. And whether Gordon Hayward is their weakest link
or whether he's just a guy who everyone knows has
it in him, and the Celtics are going to continue
to get it at try and get it out of
him until ultimately he gets back into form, knowing that
this is the this is the exact same path that
Paul George took when he suffered the exact same injury
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four years before. But whatever it is, the story of
last night was not Kyrie Irving and his leadership. It
had nothing to do with whether or not Kyrie has
finally gotten the attention of his teammates. It's that Gordon Hayward,
who's an All Star in the Loaded West and was
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the number one free agent prize two off seasons ago,
look like Gordon Hayward last night, And when he does,
the Celtics might just be the best team in the NBA,
And when he doesn't, they're just another team. Be sure
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app. He's Charlie Cashley
of the NFL Network. He joins us on The Doug
got Leap Show. Not much going on, Charlie, not not
a lot of we have to dig out some things
to catch up on. Huh. I guess so quite quite
a couple of days. Huh. So uh, let's let's get
to the Kyler Murray. UM. I think what happens is
(09:53):
people think that there's some inherent bias in whatever reporting
or analysis. Um, when when you pulled teams on Kyler
Murray about how many how many different league executives did
you speak speak to? Well, first of all, we're talking
about probably the two different things. I had a poll
before the combine where I talked to one teams okay,
(10:16):
high level of people, and I said, give me your
top four quarterbacks, raded in order. At the end of it,
it was basically a dead heat. Askin's had ten votes,
Murray had nine and a half, Um, Jones and Duke
had one locker Missouri had a half and that's pretty
much how it went there. So that's uh, that was it.
You know, after this, I talked to more than two teams.
(10:36):
I'll leave it at that, UM, and just you know,
tell me about the interviews for all four quarterbacks and surprisingly, um,
you know Murray do do don't do that? Well when
you summarize it, the area is of leadership work ethic.
Uh and then what the questions I asked him on
the football board, Well, we're not for more questions and
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answers for him were very good. But a fali now though, Yeah,
that's an interview. That's a fifteen min interview. Nobody is
going to make a decision on a fifteen minut interview.
What I did was report on the fifteen million because
I thought it was something that you know, it was interesting. Um,
teams are gonna go through a long process in the spring.
There are quarterbacks in the one playoff games that failed
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fifteen and interviews, so there's a lot more to it
than that. And Friday on up to the Minute with
the NFL Network one to two, I'm gonna go and
show how this guy can be successful in the NFL
throwing the football. That segment was set up long before
we had the thing yesterday. Um, I see now I
read what you reported and what I found that I
(11:40):
do think some people missed. One was you and you
tell me if I'm wrong, But you said it's the
worst that there was the worst day'd seen for a
high level quarterback prospect. So where does that where does
that cut off? Because you know, people said last year
that Lamar Jackson was very nonverbal, was was far behind. Um,
So what in terms of because you you I think
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you contextualize it with for a high level quarterback prospect?
Is that for the top prospect in the draft, this
is the worst interviews of its kind? Is that how
you would contextualize it? High level? To me is a
top ten pick. We'll say, okay, um, now what has
to happen is this Lamar Jackson. They went with an
option offense, That's what and they were successful and in
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the end, you know, the charge is caught up with
him and defense. I think you've got to have the
right offense for Kyle Murray, everyone said that what is
the right offense? That's what I'm gonna show on the
show on Friday. There is a right offense where this
guy can be successful. I thought on tape the guy
was phenomenal, made all the throws, strong arm, obviously he's mobile. Um,
you know, did a nice job to me on accuracy.
(12:44):
So he read defense is pretty good as simple as
the things he might have seen. So a lot of
positives on tape. The system is key for this guy
to be success. Why I do think everyone knows that.
So the point is not everybody's gonna take this guy.
That's one thing that can happen here. But I Arizona
and take them. I'll be surprised. How can you find
out somebody's leadership in fifteen minutes? That's that's what people are.
(13:06):
You can but you can't. But um, you can get
a feeling of how the guy carries himself in the room. Okay,
there's a certain way you carry yourself. Uh certain the
way you you know, answer questions that you can say,
I'm not sure this guy. How this guy is gonna
fit and run an NFL team. I trained players for
the Combine, training over hunter players. This guy could not
have been trained for the Innate. But based on the
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things that I was told. Charlie Cashley from the NFL
Network joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. How much
of it is the juxtaposition with Dwayne Haskins, who apparently
performed really well in these interviews, And how much of
it is the juxtaposition of Kyler Murray versus Baker Mayfield,
who was like a like a savant at the white
board last year? Is it the is it? How much
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of it is the comparison to those two. Do you
mean the comparison to Baker, Mayfield and Haskins, Yes, ky
Kyler Murray Kyler Murray, Kylerburry me being measure up against
Dayne Haskins. Kyler Murray is an Oklahoma guy being measured
up against. Like, Hey, last year we had Baker and
he was unbelievable. This year we got this guy and
(14:08):
he's quiet and he's not nearly the same at the
white board. Do you think that plays into it all? Um? Yeah,
I divide my answer to two points. Number one, No,
he's one is not compared to another one in that
individual session. However, I think it's logical to compare Mayfield
and Murray coming from Oklahoma, and Uh, what I was
(14:29):
told is that, you know, Mayfield is ahead of him
in all the areas that we talked about, as far
as the work ethic, Uh, you know, the handling the
board stuff, um, and in leadership. Now, leadership may come
in many different ways, but that that's the stuff that's
been told to me by multiple people too. Charlie Cashley
joining us in the Doug Out Live show on Fox
Sports Radio. What were the reports on on Dwayne Haskins,
(14:52):
a guy who threw fifty touchdown passes, a guy who
also only started a year in college at Ohio State,
and their offense was not not necessarily pro offense, but
he put up some ridiculous numbers and it's more of
a pocket quarterback, bigger size. What were the reports on
on Haskins, Well, you know, a pocket quarterback the forty.
I don't think people they may have been a little
surprised at but four nine five might have been the
(15:14):
guests anyway. So he fell for five, not a big difference.
Sharp on the board, though sharp on the board. He
did very well. They had grasped what they asked him
and the questions they asked him. That that came back
from all the people are interviews, Charlie Cashley joining us
in the Doug Gotlip Show. Just you you mentioned for
Kyler Murray it's canna depend upon the system. There is
this assumption and I think some of it we hear,
(15:36):
we repeat that we what we hear from the league,
but some of it is we're in media people. We'd
like to think that there's an evolution taking place. Should
be pointing out that Tom Brady want a super bowl
from the pocket. You know, Philip rivers from the pocket
like you can get I know Mahomes can can stretch
the pocket, but it's his ability to make all the
throws from and sometimes out of the pocket. Aaron Rodgers
as well. Like has the league changed that much or
(15:58):
is it more we we we really want to see
more mobile quarterbacks, but those mobile quarterbacks don't have they
still don't have a long shelf life. What's the reality
to it? Well, one thing has changed, the shotgun. Shotgun
is used as a primary formation by a lot of teams.
That that hasn't that that that has changed there? Um,
things evolved the run pass options in the game, but
there have been another revolutions too, and teams, depending upon
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who the team is, sometimes defends that better uh than
other teams. But teams know how to defend it. Let
me say that. Um So anyway, I think that as
far as the evolution goes, um, I think the shotgun,
some of the run pass options, those are the types
of things that I see now Again, you're right, pocket quarterback,
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they're the ones that have won the Super bowls. Um,
We're getting a little closer now because Mahomes who ran
more of a pocket offense than an option offense. But
he made a lot of plays outside the pocket, So
but I wouldn't I still consider him a pocket attempting
to be a pocket guy. And time will evolve. But
we haven't seen a through option type guy. Um, and
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I'm not sure we will see that. Charlie Cashley joining
us to the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
you mentioned that there were there were other quarterbacks. How
far is the drop off after those top two in
terms of your evaluation another's evaluation of the quarterback position today? Well,
Murray is kind of an outlier. It's either you love
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him or we're not gonna take him. All right, So
let's let's assume Murray and Haskins are up there. Okay,
Haskin and Haskins and Murray or Haskins, who's traditional is
ahead of? Um? You know the Duke kid and the
Missouri kid. Now here's the thing, Um, I think that
the Duke guy. I think that guy the middle of
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the first round, the Missouri guy. People talk about it.
If somebody takes him in the little first round, I
think that's gonna be a reach. I think he's more
of a later first round guy, top of the second guy,
top of the top of the second round US me, yeah,
but but like your it sounds like your expectations for
a Drew lock for Daniel Jones is far less than
that of Dwayne Haskins, Right, I get there's like a
(18:08):
there's a yeah, I guess. I guess I didn't answer
you a question the way you wanted. I I see.
I like Jones a lot. I think Haskins has a
bigger upside. Uh And Jones maybe where he is because
of the system, and he masses the system. Now how
much better he's gonna get? Um, but I like I
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like Jones from Duke. I like him a lot. I
think he can win with the guy. Charlie Cashley from
the NFL Network, long time front office guy, course a
long time with the NFL Network as well, kind of
have to spend some time with this. Yere Doug Gottlib show,
Fox Sports Radio, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Basically, it's like running
an auction. Right by Friday, all bids are in. Um,
what what do you think of Antonio Brown and what
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will have to be done to make sure that that
the off the field nonsense doesn't drag on the field
and whatever for his next stop is well, if there's
any guarantee about that part of it, Um, But to
answer you a question, you'll have to make him the
top paid receiver in football, so he can um get
away from that. But Tyreek Hill is about to be paid,
so you may wait a little bit longer. And and uh,
(19:16):
you might be able to solve another problem by him saying, well,
I'm gonna be one. I don't want to be too. Uh.
And maybe that's maybe that's what his people will want
you to do in that situation. UM, I think that
he's got to be with a team with a strong culture. Uh.
He can't be with a young team. I think that's
gonna be where his best success is gonna come. Uh.
He's got to be with a coach that can can
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deal with him. I think Gruden. And I'm saying everything
about that theoretical team. Bruten's team isn't that team. But
Gruden's coach some different personalities, and he has a quarterback
and he probably only cares about how many balls he catches. Anyway,
what about Levy on Bell? What's What's I mean? Aren't
we looking? We watched Todd Gurley, And I know Todd
Gurley suffered a knee injury in college, so maybe it's
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a little bit different. Maybe that's where some of the
Arthur just set in that now that's the report that
he's got a bit of an arthritic me and and
he just took too much of a workload. But you know,
they gave him a huge deal, and in the first
year of a new deal, he's already had to have
some limited carries and was wasn't the same guy at
the end of the season. What do you think the
overall value is going to be for a levy on
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Bell who hadn't played in the season, but was as
dynamical back as it was in the league before he
sat out a year. Uh. Excellent question. Um, Obviously, I
I don't really know the answer. And I see the
point about Girly, and that could be a hesitation with teams,
you know, taking running backs on a second contract. Um,
sometimes don't finish the contract. But his free agency, and
(20:40):
there's teams that need money and have money, so I
would I would think he would get a contract north
of Girly. Um, And I don't know what we're buying. Uh.
The guy in Pittsburgh, was a good player who wanted
to play, was enthusiastic, was not a problem, nothing like
Antonio Brown. He said, a year off, I take him
a while to get back in his eight is good enough.
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We should be able to still be productive. Um, I'm
not sure you'll get the whole contract out of him.
And what he's gonna want is his money up front
the first two years. So if you have a lot
of cap room that works good, you'll eat you'll you'll
eat up some cap he'll make his money, and a
year three you have no liability. So that's kind of
the contract I see getting a set here. Uh, and
he'll he'll make his money because teams can pay it
(21:22):
in free agency. But I would take Lavy on Bill, Yeah,
I would take him. I getting My question would be
at at what price? Charlie, great information. Really appreciate you
join us and thanks me our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
great with you now, all right, that's Charlie. That's Charlie
Cashley of the NFL Network. Check out the NFL Network
on Friday one pm. He'll have a breakdown to Kyler
Murray and what will make him successful in the National
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I actually like Antonio, Uh, Antonio Brown to the Raiders,
I do this from Ian rappaport, Uh, this is a
little bit more on what you're from. Dan Buyer pegging
teams involved in talks remains elusive and fluid. Rapping Board
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added three new teams have jumped into the frame the
last forty eight hours. While the Jets and Cardinals are
out of the competition, the Raiders have been one team
consistently linked to the Antonio Brown rumors. So what in
what Ian Rapping words reporting others reporting is that, look,
all bids are in by Friday. You know you've you've called,
(22:25):
you've made what will we offer? Like? Look, And people
do this in real estate all the time. You you
list something actually low, like a low price. You know,
you listed of the house for five thousand, five hundred
thousand dollars, knowing it's a six hundred thousand dollar house,
hoping you get a bunch of bids, and then once
you get the bids, then you go back to all
the buiddings like, look, we got a six hundred thousand
(22:46):
dollar bid. You know, if you want to go up,
all right, then final bids. So this is just a
bidding process, that's all it is. And this is the
Steelers going like all right, final bids. We need them
in by Friday. And I think the Raiders make a
ton of sense. Now, do I love the idea of
paying Antonio Brown more than any wide receiver in the
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Nation Football League? Not really, I mean rewarding his type
of behavior only in powers his type of behavior. But
I'd like to see how the contract destructure. Remember, the
Raiders have a ton of cas space, ton of cas space.
And one of the things they have in Gruden is
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Gruden has a nine more years on his contract. You're
not You're not running the coach out of town. The
Raiders have also sat, you know, historically sat players even
in their prime. I mean, um, Marcus Allen obviously, you
know he crossed whatever he did to end up crossing,
(23:54):
you know, ownership back in the day. The fact is
that Al Davis sat him in his prime and played
Bo Jackson instead. Some off the field stuff. But but
more than anything, I think that Gruden's tenure, Gruden having
won a Super Bowl, Gruden having dealt with unique personalities before,
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like a Keyshawn Johnson back in the day. He'll draw
on that. Gruden can say, like, look, we had Jerry
Rice in the second phase of his career. He was
incredibly successful. We had uh, we had Tim Brown in
the second phase of his career, and look how successful
he was. I mean, if if the idea is we
had Leviyan Bell, we had Antonio Brown, we keep Derek Carr,
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I don't think this is where you want Kyler Murray,
though the rumors of he wants Kyler Murray, Like, yeah,
I don't want a rookie quarterback. I want a venturing quarterback,
and I want somebody who knows how to get the
ball out. And if if you look at what many
people believe the Raiders will do in the upcoming NFL draft, right,
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it'll start to make some sense to you. If Josh
Allen is available and you sit there and go like, okay,
here's what they did did They had to pay Khalil
Mack ninety million dollars guaranteed to keep him, so instead
they trade him, get two first round picks, and one
of them is Josh Allen, who may not be as productive,
but younger and a fraction of the price of what
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you would have had to pay for Khalil Mack and
a ton of town. And then with the money that
we saved, and we also trade away our top wide receiver,
and with the money that he would have maken fourteen
million this year, maybe we pay seventeen million this year
to get Antonio Brown. We got a better Antonio Brown
is better? Right? Does anybody anybody want to argue that
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Antonio Brown is not the better wide receiver of the two?
Of course not, of course, not all right? So I
look at it and you go, well, you know, look
at what what Gruden would be able to get a
better wide receiver, get a younger uh rush end, and
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get a better running back than they had, and then
use all the rest of the picks, all the rest
of the cap space to fill in all those other holes,
especially on the defensive side of football where they were
not very good. Continue to fix that offensive line, and
you have yourself a much better football team immediately. Do
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I have questions about the culture stuff, of course I do.
But the culture is established by the head coach, is
established by the quarterback. And though Derek Carr has been
up and down as a quarterback. Nobody questions his his
ability to be the right dude off the football field.
And John Gruden is the unquestioned leader in that locker
room and in the front office, and he's not going anywhere.
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a longtime NBA reporter. He's Rick Buker from Bleacher Report. Um,
(27:14):
you were the one. You were like the first one
nationally point out like, Hey, Gordon Hayward is kind of
the key to this whole thing with the Celtics. I'm
sure you felt a little bit of vindication. But how
much different is that team when Hayward looks like you
look last night? Yeah, I was there live watching it happen,
and certainly he was a contributor and there was a
(27:34):
flow to their team, and you didn't feel like you
were trying to go that that the Celtics are trying
to go out of their way to feature him or
to get him going. Everything was happening within the flow. Um,
I just I don't know how much of that was
the Celtics Doug, to be honest, and how much of
it was the Warriors as far as just you know,
(27:56):
you've got two teams that are trying to prove that
they can be what we ultimately expect them to be. Obviously,
the Warriors failed the test and the Celtics passed it.
But how much of the Celtics passing it was the
Warriors failing it so miserably That's the part I'm still
(28:17):
trying to figure out. It's a great point, Um. I've
been a skeptic of to Marcus Cousins because he does
not fit the way in which they play, and he's
never played playoff basketball, and he's going to be asked
to do things that I don't I don't know if
he's physically capable of doing, specifically defensively, like that's a
hard one to to try and hide him or to
(28:38):
guard ball schemes completely differently with your center. Um, how
much of some of their issues is trying to figure
out what the hew do we do with DeMarcus Cousins.
They just signed Andrew Bogut, they just pulled a guy
from yesteryear out of Australia in order to give them
a big who understands how they want to play and
(28:58):
to possibly get something out of the five position. If
that doesn't tell you the level of alarm on the
Warriors end of things as far as what they are
and aren't getting out of boogie, I don't know what will.
And And the thing is that, as you pointed out,
and this is what really really bothered me, it bothers
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me even more now than it did then, which is
everybody throwing their arms up, Oh my goodness, they're adding
another All Star. It's so un there. Do we understand
what an All Star is? Do we understand that not
all star? All all Stars are created equal and all
(29:42):
Stars someone who's selected at least in part because the
league wants to distribute the fandom and the accolades in
the league. So you know, it's really hard. You gotta
be really good to get multiples. You know, if if
there's a guy who's having a good year, even if
it's not a add team, chances are he could be
an All Star. And it's for what it's for fifty
(30:06):
sixty sixty games regular season games, that gets you to
be an All Star. And I don't do any of
this to discount what DeMarcus Cousins has been and is
capable of. But just to say they're adding another All Star,
oh my god. Uh, it's just it's wholly unfair, goes
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right past all the things you just mentioned, which is okay, Well,
he was an All Star over here on a team
that never made the playoffs, that played as him as
the centerpiece, which by the way, gets you the numbers
that gets you into All Star status. And now you're
putting him into a team that's supposed to be playing
for a championship, and he's supposed to play a role
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and in a completely different system. And oh, by the way,
he's coming back from a torn achilles. The idea that
they were adding an All Star, I'm sure you can tell,
like it infuriates me that anybody was singing that song
and suggesting that somehow the Warriors had gotten over on
the league. It ignored everything else about the picture. I
completely I said it at the time, and I also
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say and like you know, and the other part is
how he handles it when he's not playing at the
end of playoff games, because they finished playoff games with
their death lineup, right, That's that's that's that's what they do. Um,
what do you make? You know? K D continues to
be he was trying to be you know, corporate yesterday,
(31:29):
trying to not take any what he called bait. I think,
but man, it's tough to watch him in a press conference.
Is there ever going to be a moment which he
lightens up. Yeah, that's a good question because as of
right now, he's That's not the mindset of Katie. Katie
is very much in the mindset of I'm gonna say
(31:51):
what I want to say. I'm going to speak my piece.
And the more that people kind of trying to back
him up on that, I think the more the more
provocative he's going to be, the more stubborn he's going
to be, and saying I'm not going to try to
be PC, I'm not going to try to uh, you know,
to to mollify what I say. And the other the
(32:16):
other part though, is is like being around the team,
being in the locker room and somebody else pointed this
out to me and and I paid attention to it.
Is that you know, last year he and Draymond were
really tight, and there was a lot of interaction between
k D and and the rest of the team for
the last couple of years. UM this year is really different.
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He is you don't see and I'm not around the
team on the daily basis, So keep that in in
in context. But I don't see the same interaction between
him and other guys on the team. And he has
his locker in the corner, and it's kind of the
k D space, and it's just different, and and his
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it feels as if he is keeping everybody at arm's length,
and that's the team included. And I don't want to
read too much into this in spite of all that
I've heard, but if a guy is making an exit, uh,
he wants to start breaking those bonds sooner rather than later.
It makes it a lot easier to step out that
door if you've already edged towards the exit. Is New
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York still still the destination? I would I from everything
that I know, Yes, I'll put it this way. Other
people that I talked to in New York are you know,
they're quietly confident that that if you know, it's it's
basically he this has a happy ending with Golden state,
(33:47):
and that convinces k D. You know what, I want
to stick around. I want to get some more of
this and uh, then that happens. But if he is
of the mind that he's going to go someplace else,
New York seems to be very confident that that's the
place he's going to last. Rick Puker joining us from
Bleacher Report, Let's get down the coast where people continue
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to maybe we can basically call the season. Discuss the Lakers,
and today Lebron said, like, hey, look, these guys are
really young. Look around the NBA. Look at the playoff teams.
None of them have young rosters. You know, basically four
or five are top eight or nine are young guys
second or third year in the league. What do you expect, Um,
(34:32):
he's playing the we're young cards suddenly. What's what's interesting is,
I don't know if you saw this, Tom hab Astro
he he tweeted out a video. The tanem he has
the lowest plus minus with is actually Rondo. He's a
minus fifty five playing with Rondo. And the guys he
has the highest plus minus with are the young guys.
They've actually been way better for him. It's been it's
(34:54):
been the veterans. Um, there's roster composition problems, there's the
problem of you know, Luke's ability to coach him and
to coach this team. Injuries have been a problem, but
Lebron himself has been a problem. Who deserves what portion
of the blame in l A Well, I look, if
they were successful, who would we give all the credit
(35:17):
to Lebron? So how can we not say it's not working,
it hasn't worked and not and I and I say
this as a compliment. I mean, I believe. I believe
from the beginning of the year, I didn't think they
were going to be title contenders, but I thought that
they would make it into the playoffs strictly on the
(35:40):
presence of Lebron James, that he would drag them there,
that he would find a way to utilize those pieces
around him. And it does not surprise me. I don't
know that it's fair to say, you know, he does it,
that he works better with veteran players and uh and
make the comparison to they've done with the younger players,
(36:02):
and use that Rondo as that example, because Rondo is
a guy that he needs to he needs to be
the director, he needs to be the operator, and Lebron
needs to be the operator. I didn't always believe that necessarily,
but from what I've seen this season, it's like, can
he play a complimentary role? Could he make enough room
(36:23):
for let's to let Rondo operate and decide things and
have Lebron playoff the ball. And I said it from
the beginning of the year, not thinking that it would
really happen, but I thought that the the best avenue
for this team, and I may have said it to
you before, the best avenue for this team would be
if Lebron James focused his energy at the defensive end
(36:45):
of the floor and set the tempo and the example there,
because I believe that with Rondo and the other pieces
and what Lebron is capable of doing off the ball,
that they would have enough offensively to get things done.
But that what they really needed was that team to
embrace the idea that if we're going to be good
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brandon Ingram, you've got to defend Josh Hart, you've got
to defend Kyle Kuzma, you've got to defend like that's
where we have to accept the challenge. And nothing would
have sold that more than Lebron James saying I'm gonna
show you how because I'm gonna I'm gonna make that sacrifice.
And it's been it's been the opposite. And here's the
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other part. When he got hurt, he went, he went
to Hollywood. You know, he fell off the face of
the earth. He shows up at games with wine his hands,
like you don't think you have any you know, executives
don't mean to interrupt you, but you have any executives
And people around the league have pointed that out, like
as an an exemple exemplar of you. You're preaching this
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team should be all about the right things and keep
its focus on basketball, and you're walking into the arena
with a glass of wine late late late. It's it's
it's do what I say, not what I do. I'm sorry,
the NBA doesn't work that way. I don't care how
(38:13):
good you are. It's okay. So, um, I mean, Luke's
gonna lose his job, right, I mean, that's that's that's
that's the first thing. Um. And then if if he
doesn't lose it, I think he I think he honestly
at this point, he would walk. I really, I really
think that Luke is done with this, like he's been
(38:35):
put in an impossible situation and he's taking slings and
arrows that. Look, the people that are close to him,
that that love him and want to see him successful
and think that he's been done dirty by this situation.
Nobody is saying that he's perfect as a coach. Nobody's
saying that he's a guy that when you know, undefeated
through twenty four games with the with with the Warriors,
(38:56):
whatever the number was, it is uh. But but they
do think that he deserves way better than the position
that he's been put into. And the I mean, I
look between social media and being at Lakers games. The
people that are blaming Luke for this team in this
(39:19):
situation is look, well look, look there's there there's a
there's a bunch to it. Though. Hold on, let's let's
start Okay, Look, Polinka and Magic have done a terrible job. Okay,
let's let's just start with the contavious Caldwell Pope, which
whatever they did last year for cap Space, I think
they thought that like he and Magic, he and Lebron
(39:40):
were boys because they're both wrapped by clutch and they're
they're not so and Pope he is not a he
is not he is not a playoff caliber rotation player.
He's cost them games, cost them games, and he's not
a smart player. And among the things that turn Lebron
off munch and look we we will. I will hold
Lebron responsible for Lebron. But dude, when you when when
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you're playing the Bucks and you're trying to keep a
eye for the playoffs and you can't turn to throw
the ball inbounds in the NBA, like, I'm done, I'm
done with you. I'm sorry, I'm done with you. Like
I think Blank blank and Magic have done a bad
job in terms of evaluating the roster. Heck, they go
and get Tyson Chandler like Channeling was good for five games.
But he's he's washed up, he's done, he's a coach now,
(40:22):
he can't can't play. They had Brooke Lopez, they let
him go, like they made some they made some errors
in judgment. Lebron is responsible, but so is Luke. Now
Lucas played some odd lineups and gotten exposed and not
had to plan for up three D foul Do you
not foul? Like some of the stuff is on Luke.
I agree with you that it's it's a relatively impossible situation.
(40:45):
But I don't think he was. He was up to
up to a legitimate fight, even if he didn't think
it was a fair fight. Okay, fair enough, but I'm
gonna take what he did with this team when he
had young guys and it was really his because this
is the is something that everybody has to understand. And
I'm sure you know. Once you have Lebron, you are
(41:05):
playing and I don't know what percentage you want to
put it on. With the Lakers, you're playing the Lebron system.
You're not making calls. Lebron is making calls. Lebron is
deciding where they're gonna go and what they're gonna do.
And you may make a call, but Lebron half the time,
if again I don't know the percentages, but a considerable
(41:27):
amount of the time is gonna veto it. He's gonna
do something else, and you're gonna let him go because
one he's Lebron into because you you, for the most part,
you trust his vision. A lot of times you may
be right, you see something you you would you in
bolden your players that are of that level to make
those kind of a decision. I look at what Luke
was able to do with this young team when it
(41:48):
was just Okay, let me, here's are my pieces. This
is how I'm gonna make it work. So the part
that I don't quite it's just hard for me to
put on his plate is I don't know how to
this is they're doing exactly what he wanted them to
do or he didn't give them the necessary instruction, and
how much of it is there's a confusion between what
(42:12):
they were doing and now what Lebron decides that they
should do in any given situation. I'm not blaming one
or the other, but because of that confusion, I don't
know how exactly how much of this to put on
Luke's play. Um Adam Silver had a really I thought,
I thought it was fascinating discussion with um Bill Stimuels
(42:34):
last last last Friday. I just thought, like, you know,
like he's just so he's really incredibly bright and talking
about I mean, I watched the entire interviewers talking about,
you know, how millennials they watched TV shop this is
the like the only scheduled TV show is live sports.
But how to how to get them to understand that?
Hey seven eight o'clock at night. That's when our games are.
You can't move them like you can move anything else. Like.
(42:55):
But the part that everybody's taking away is the part
of where you said, Hey, these guys are legitimately unhappy.
And of course you got the veteran guys like Charles
Barkley even Jalen Rose like, are you stop it with
your legitimately unhappy? Um, when you hear it, you've been
covering this league for twenty years, what do you think
(43:17):
that that players are unhappy? Yes, that they're like legitimately unhappy,
you know, because of whether it's social media, the pressures
of their job, the travel. And he's like the sensitive
commission like I understand their unhappiness and the rest of
inshis and they're going like, don't don't really get it? Um,
you know what, what what do you think when you
(43:38):
hear him say that that, Hey, like, here's players that
are legitimately unhappy. Yeah, well, I think I think it's true.
And I think that any era that was subject to
what's going on now would have the same feelings. You know,
the old guys who want to say, oh, they're just
saw and I heard Look, I was at the game
last night, I was around some veteran players, some old
(43:59):
time players. That was what they were griping about. These
guys are so soft, they don't play, they don't like
I mean it, just look, if anybody coming up in
this day and age you grew up wanting to play basketball.
The game is not the most important thing anymore. The game.
It's a it's a transaction league, and it's a At
(44:22):
any given time, anything you do is going to be
parsed and put out there and go viral, and that
is going to define who you are. It really doesn't
even matter whether you win or lose. It's I mean,
I and look, I'm with Bleacher Report, where is active
on social media as anybody. The number of times I
see a play go out look so and so good.
(44:44):
Put it. Put this guy in a coffin and a
bodybaged and whatever, and I'm going to he lost by
twenty Who cares like the things that are celebrated and
the things that are critiqued. A guy goes up and
challenges a dunk and he gets dunked on, but his
team wins, and we don't we don't illustrate everything else
(45:04):
that that guy did in the course of the game
to win the game. We just illustrate that he got
dunked on. I'm like, how do you if you are
if you play the game? Like, how do you live
in that where you don't have any control over the
image that is created and what people are saying about you?
And by the way they're saying all of it all
(45:26):
of the time, I look unhappy. I mean, you still
you get to play this game that you love, and
you're getting paid a ton and you have a great
lot of this. I get where people will go, what
do they have to be unhappy about? But the uncertainty
of what you're doing and how you're being judged, I
(45:48):
kind of get that. It's an unsettling place to be.
And there's never been an era of of professional basketball
players that have had to exist in in this kind
of environment. So I'm real slow to hear the old
guys going these guys are just soft. It's it's a
little bit more than that. Great stuff from Rick Buker
(46:08):
Bleacher Report. Of course, you can download his podt What's
the What's the pod with you and Hollins called Yukurran
Friends and Ryan McDonough is. On today's podcast Part one,
We talked goats well. Lave it at that all right?
I love it. Downloaded and check it out. Thanks so much, Buke,
appreciate you joining us. You gotta Doug
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