Gordon Hayward is the key & Charley Casserly

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Turns and the soap opera of the NBA, the Boston Celtics,
who of course we're mired in a nasty little losing
um vortex, pulled themselves out, pulled up their bootstraps and
went in and whooped up on the Warriors, who did

(01:04):
not have Clay Thompson. In fairness to the Dubs, but
but the the the drubbing was just that it was
an epic and complete beat down and it was helped
by thirty points from Gordon Hayward. I thought he looked spriteful.
I thought he looked athletic. I thought he looked like well,

(01:26):
Gordon Hayward, who was an All Star two years ago,
who was the prized free agent acquisition of the summer
two years ago, and a guy who had missed all
of last year after playing two minutes before breaking his leg.
That that's what he looked like, the guy before he
became the guy who was coming back from injury. And

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then I saw this, that that Boston. The Celtics are
eighteen and two in the twenty games this season in
which Hayward has shot at least fifty from the floor
seventeen of twenty two in games in which he doesn't,
seventeen and twenty two. Seems pretty easy. Get Gordon Hayward
going and we're a better team. Oh yeah, hey, we

(02:08):
pay one guy million dollars a year or so when
he's effective, we're better. Huh. Marcus Smart said this, It
makes our team even better when he's the confident Gordon
and he's playing like the Gordon. We know. The man
keeps working and working and even though things aren't going

(02:29):
for him. He continues to work. He doesn't quit, and
that's why we're so so optimistic about getting the old
Gordon back because we see how hard he works. Al
Horford when he has these big games, we all feed
off him. He's such a good player. We're just better
when he plays at that level. We're just a better team.
It's really interesting on how sometimes we focus on one thing,

(02:53):
on one guy, and we lose focus of the whole
or of another key factor. It's fair to point out
that the Lakers, as much as Lebron hasn't been the same,
he hasn't had the same energy defensively, he hasn't been
able to carry this group. I've told people all along
that because of the construct of this team, not having

(03:14):
a Lonzo Ball has been a major, major deficit for
the Lakers. And you're like, Lonzo Ball can't make a
free throw, a Lonzo Ball is not a good shooter.
These things are true. But when you're Superstar requires some
help defensively, and you have an incredibly young, versatile defender

(03:35):
who's also a good rebounder, who who can generate offense
and momentum and and pass the ball up the court
get other people involved make everyone else better. He becomes
more important than his stats would tell you. This is
the case in so many sports where we were so

(03:56):
focused on Clayton curse Shaw and what he does in
the seventh inning that we lose sight of the fact that, well,
maybe the story is actually that the Dodgers middle relief
or the fact that Kenley Jansen hasn't been as good
in the World Series the past two years as his
stats would tell you they should be. I completely understand

(04:20):
that Kyrie Irving has some body language issues, some issues
with being a hypocrite and saying he doesn't want attention
when all of his actions stream for attention, when he
doesn't want to talk about the future, and yet he
doesn't want to commit to the present. I get it,
but it should also be pointed out and credit Rap

(04:42):
Puker he joined us. We've had a long discussion. I've
talked about this in my All Ball podcast, Like, look,
they're they're they've been trying to play Gordon Hayward more
minutes than he deserves for nights like last night, because
they know what he has him. This, by the way,

(05:03):
is why you need a true believer, a rabbi in
the room. This is it and if you don't have that,
you're never going to get at the the benefit of
the doubt. Like, yeah, do guys on that team believe
in Gordon Hayward. Sure, they know he was an All Star.
They know how hard he works, but that's not why

(05:25):
he's been getting all these minutes and all these opportunities
all season long when his play hasn't earned it. Because
he's got Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens has known him since
he's sixteen years old. Brad Stevens was there and he
was with Brad during Brad's first year as a head coach.
They are boys, they are tight, and while sometimes that

(05:46):
works against Brad Stevens in terms of how they deal
with the Gordon Hayward thing. Like, you know, I gotta
be really critical of if I get on Gordon Hayward
because he's boys with Brady, even like he's like a
son to Brad or a brother to Brad. I gotta
be careful all that's accurate. Like the Hayward thing is
the bigger thing with the Celtics, then the Kyrie thing

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is just the Kyrie thing is out in front of
us and it distracts us from all this other stuff.
You go back to the downfall of the Lakers dynasty
with Shack and Kobe, if you if you go back
and remember they were playing the Pistons in the finals
and Karmelone got hurt and Rick Fox got hurt. You

(06:33):
know you start suffering, you start suffering injuries. I mean,
you go back to win. Magic Johnson lost to the
Celtics in the NBA Finals, Byron Scott got hurt. You
go back to you go to I've said this for
a long time. When the Calves came back from three
games three games to one deficit to the Warriors, it

(06:54):
should be point out and only did Draymond Greek got suspended,
but Andrew Boga got hurt in Game five. Here's how
important Andrew Bogan is. He ain't played in the league
all year. The Warriors, knowing that he's finally in good shape,
went out and just resigned him. Because he's a great passer,
great teammate, good ritten protector, and maybe the best of
the illegal screener in the history of the NBA. And

(07:17):
if that gets Steph Curry too extra jump shots of game,
he's worth his weight in gold. That yeah, Lebron and
Kyrie were amazing, and sure Steph Curry struggled, and there
was the Chase Doown block and the May three. But
but we and we do remember the suspension of Draymond Green, right,

(07:40):
Draymond Ging getting getting suspended for stepping over Lebron James,
which is really accumulative suspension. It was kind of a
joke in in reality that helped it, and so too
did did Andrew Boga getting hurt. Even last year for
the Warriors, everybody points out Chris Paul getting hurt. That's accurate,
but no one has said, you know, Andrea Goodala wasn't

(08:02):
wasn't healthy in the Western Conference finals, anytime they had
Andrea Goodala, they were in complete and total control. Anytime
they weren't. Guess who the Houston Rockets were going after defensively,
and Jordan Bell and Keavon Looney and Quinn Cook, the
guys who were replacing that one missing piece in the lineup.

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The cliche expression is you're only as strong as your
weakest link. And whether Gordon Hayward is their weakest link
or whether he's just a guy who everyone knows has
it in him and the Celtics are going to continue
to get it at try and get it out of
him until ultimately he gets back into form, knowing that
this is that this is the exact same path that

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Paul George took when he suffered the exact same injury
four years before. But whatever is the story of last
night was not Kyrie Irving and his leadership. It had
nothing to do with whether or not Kyrie has finally
gotten the attention of his teammates. It's that Gordon Hayward,

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who's an All Star in the Loaded West and was
the number one free agent prize two off seasons ago,
look like Gordon Hayward last night. And when he does,
the Celtics might just be the best team in the NBA.
And when he doesn't, they're just another team. Eight seven, seven,

(09:31):
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a great show for you. Devin Bush is gonna join us,
Charlie Cashley is gonna join us, um but coming up next,
Mick Cronin will be our guest. He's a head coach
of the Cincinnati Bearcats, Cincinnati Borne and Bread and it's
really been remarkable what he's been able to do getting

(09:52):
out of the Big East into the American Athletic Conference
and just being a dominant team within that league. But
is this the year they finally break through? Last time
Cincinnati was in a Final four was in Minneapolis. I'm
not sure if you guys have checked, but that's where
the final four is this year. Cincinnati head coach mccronin

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Fox Sports Radio. So I was a caw heerd seid

(12:05):
earlier today, Ryan that that Lebron should have taken the
year off that's right, did it? I hear that? Right?
Why don't we make these statements of things that are
not really a possibility? Right? Like why why do we
why do we do this? This is just there's a
business to be run, hey, like this this whole we

(12:27):
should shut Lebron down now, Like there's the business of
Lebron James, there's the business of the l A Lakers
is the business of the NBA. People like to see
Lebron lose. They just do. And while you may think,
well he's bigger, he's not bigger than the sport. He
is not. And just the idea that a guy who was,

(12:49):
you know, supposedly in his athletic prime would shut it
down for a year for his betterment, you know. And
then obviously, like we're all trying to rework on all
these lands, like, look, if he wanted the thing to
work when he got hurt, he shouldn't have gone away
from the team, shouldn't have shown up with a bottle
of glass of wine in his hands in a game,
shouldn't have been texting when he's on the bench, you know,

(13:11):
he should have been bringing guys in and bringing guys
together and motivating guys. He said, he did not like
you know this this whole they're too young. Hey, dude,
you got to show him the way. When you're hurt,
that doesn't mean you're dead. Now, go to every practice,
show up and teach them. Teach the young players what
they should do. And almost like in a Bill Belichick

(13:36):
way to Josh McDaniels, open the keys of the vault.
He didn't. He didn't. He was a divisive force instead
of a unifying force. And that, to me is an
unforgivable sin. And so we can sit here and go like, well,
you know, he should have taken theear off. They're fine,
they were progressing nicely the seventeen ten. Then he suffers
a growing injury and then he goes and he went,

(13:59):
hollywo it. I don't know anyone Hollywood. By the way,
taking time off is a really risky proposition because and
everybody who's ever an athlete knows this workout shape is
not real shape, is not game shape. It's just not. Yeah, well,

(14:21):
like at thirty four years old, you take time away
from the game, then you step back in. How did
that work out for Dez Bryant? Right desert broken his
foot before, but he never suffered a major injury, he
gets cut, takes time off, becomes a workout guy, and
like in his second practice, back tears and a kill,

(14:42):
he's tended like it's just a natural. None of this
his Lebron's aging is very very natural. That's thirty four
years old. You're not gonna move the same You're not
gonna be able to play with the same intensity. All
that is understandable. The Lakers should have thought to cover
for a little bit better on offense they have on defense.
The Lakers suffered through some injuries that made it really

(15:03):
really tough to do so when he came back, they
made some flawed acquisitions. But like, look, this falls on
Lebron James. If he was really leading, if he was
really uniting, maybe fine right now, but he's not. Um,
I'm so glad he's joining us. Mick Cronin, whose team

(15:24):
is fighting for another American Athletic Conference title, joins us
on the Doug gott Leap Show. I you know, I
knew we were gonna have you on, Mick, and I
forgot to ever ask you about this. You were coaching
high school basketball while you were in college. Weren't you
correct that we're playing career. Doug got cut off early. No. Now, listen, listen,

(15:46):
if you research articles, you played at South High school,
you were really good and then you hurt your knee, right,
so and everybody said, well, like Mike small like, but
you were once you a great shooting great, great little
shooting point guard. Here's what I'm gonna I told Trevor
more this today's we're working on two on one offense.
I e I subbed in. I dropped a dime behind

(16:07):
my back. I turned to my players, I said, don't
kid yourself. I was way better than you. I just
had a really bad body. Now, of course everybody's laughing,
but you know, you know what, just it's you know,
bad bodies. You gotta admit it. Man, well you're bad.
You know. Everybody's not built to play professional basketball or

(16:30):
even Division one, but not all serious. Yeah, that was
a good little player, just trapped in a bad body. Okay,
So wait, how how does it work where you're going
to you see as a student and you're coaching high
school basketball. Uh, with the hardest thing was when I
was in class, I was supposed to be taking notes.
I was working on my practice plans. So you know,

(16:53):
you're you're, you're, you're in history cloud. I was a
history major, and uh, you know, you're you're supposed to
you know, nowadays many things on online and there's they
give you the notes, you know when I went to school, Yeah,
to actually take your own notes, no question, I did too.
Like I'm we're you're a little bit old, a couple
of years old of me, but not that much older. Yeah,
I remember remember taking copious notes, not really good notes,

(17:15):
but I was. I was more you know, big topics
right down, some gibberish. Pretend like I'm not fall asleep.
I asked. You know what I I would do is I
would ask a lot of questions in order to not
fall asleep. That was my That was the way I
would engage that. I like, yeah, yeah, I like yeah, yeah.
I had to practice plan rocking, and uh so I
would leave. I would leave from UCS campus and drive

(17:36):
to Woodward High School, which is pretty close. It was
only only about ten minutes rib and you coached the
freshman in the j V Yeah, and then and then
I was the varsity assistant. So you know, you don't
be done, you know, wouldn't. And then I have to
drive about six you know, you're coaching inner city basketball
and the snowing out. Uh you're not. You're not leaving
guys by the city bus stop at eight o'clock. I

(17:59):
asked you, I I'm I want to know about that
timeline because while you're a student at you see, while
you're a high school freshman j V and assistant varsity
coach at Woodward High School right down the road, that
was when the Bearcats were awesome and went to their
last Final Four, which just happened to be in Minneapolis,
which is where the Final four is this year. What

(18:19):
do you remember about that time? I was in class
with all those guys, so you know, those guys are
all good friends of mine. You know. I told Penny
the other night to tell Nick van Exel that, uh,
if they can get I'm only going down this summer
of that. I told him, I come down and play
south Wind, but I want you know, I want strokes
because I know so Nick van Exel was the pro guys.

(18:41):
They don't recruit. All they do is play golf. So
you know, I know Nick's about a six handicap. So
I'm gonna come down, but I want strokes. You know,
I'm not I'm not gonna come down and get killed.
You know, guys, I gotta as you know, Yeah, I
got I got a child, I gotta I gotta recruit.
You know. It's it's it's it's a tough world for me.
So what do you remember? What? What? What should the

(19:02):
world remember about that team? The first final four, that
that first against final four. Those guys were tough. Corey Blunt, Uh,
he was from out huge amount of here out in
southern California. He had Nick van Exel. That that was
a good squad. There was three guys here, Corey Blunt,
Eric Martin whose hugs assistant at West Virginia. They both played,

(19:24):
I think it. Uh, they both played at Rancho Ranchel, Santiago. Yeah,
and I don't know if they have a team anymore. Yeah,
it's called Santana College now, but yeah, that is. I'll
tell that I know Dave I got named Dave Bregg
is their coach. I'll tell him, you didn't come Mommy,
good buddy, my good buddies out of Mount Sandras Cino.
Those guys got the best jobs, man to co jobs

(19:45):
in California, got tenure. So yeah, my buddy, uh, Patrick
Springers been at saying Mount sandras Cino for a while,
so they got great jobs. He sends me text message
and he's playing golf and they got a game that night.
He's nice to be you, you know, nice to be
out there. But anyway, Uh, Terry Nelson's also from Long Beach.
He was on that team. Rose three California guys on

(20:06):
that team. So I would say, what you forget is
how good Nick van Exel was. Uh. And then we
also had a guy named Herb Jones, which her Herb
was an elite player in Italy, uh and was the
national JUCO Player of the Year. And that's back when
Junior College was you know, before prep schools. Junior College
had NBA players, multiple NBA players, so they had they

(20:29):
had Nick and Herb were Vick van Exel, Herb Jones
were just elite players. And Corey Blunt played eleven years
in the NBA. But uh, yeah, I've walked on that
team for a little bit and and my knee would
swell up, and I said, you know, you got to
just throw up the flag and go coach, it's over.
You got to know when it's over, Doug, When when

(20:51):
you got the job, And like look, you had been
a head coach at Murray and you've taken to two
n c A tournaments in three years. But you guys
are in the big and you guys took some people
forgetting like you took some beatings the first year. Brutal, man,
it was brutal. I had. I had a golfer and
a and a soccer player, and a football player and

(21:11):
one scholarship guy. At my first team meeting at Cincinnati.
There were four guys in the meeting. Yeah, and I'm
still close with those guys. And and and I had
a guy who's a good friend of mine now and
he's in my coaching trees a head coach today. He
just finished his first year in Inglewood High School. Ron
Allen long beach kid, uh and he had went to

(21:34):
Xavier in New Orleans. He played au for Rick Isaacs
out there in the eighth squad back in the day.
But uh Ron had went in the hurric He got
washed out of Katrina and when Andy Andy Kennedy was
scrapping for bodies, uh he was there. They let him
late and roll that fall. So Ron Allen played. He
was on that team, but he he you know, Ron's

(21:56):
he's doing a great job coaching, but he was averaging
the average two points again Xavier in New Orleans. So yeah,
my first year it wasn't easy, buddy, It was it
really the first six year, you know, playing in that
old Big East was was unreal, man, it was it.
It was no that that the perfect the perfect example.
And like, look, this is I'm not trying to be
disrespectful to the American but it's really the bottom of

(22:16):
the American and the bottom of the New Big East.
I mean, like you guys in Nova were both kind
of struggling kind of yeah. I mean, look, you've even
been to the Sweet sixth team, but you were like
the fourth best team or fifth best team in the
Big East. Uh, two years before the new league. Like
both you guys come out of that league and now
of a sudden you're the dominant team. Mean, like you
you've you've lost what, uh six games the last three

(22:36):
years combined in your league. You know, you, um, every
year you're competing to win the thing, like it's it's
the bottom of the league or that. At that Big
East was such a juggernaut at the end that it
was impossible for so many teams to break through and
just look at how good you and Nova have been since. Yeah,
and you you gotta know, but it's there's given take though,
because you could finish ninth. Uh Yukon finished ninth. Now

(23:00):
they were tied for ninth, tenth and eleventh, but they
won a tiebreaker and they won a national championship, National championship.
They were nine and nine. They want to Villanova Providence
and Yukon kemba Walker's year that where that he led
him to the title. So if they'd have lost the tiebreakers,
they could have finished eleventh. They had to play on

(23:21):
Tuesday in the Big East Tournament and they won the
national championship. So it was just a different world, you
know what, Doug. The pressure is different though because now,
like like we got through beating Memphis, Yukon and s
M you and our league has got really good guard play,
really good guard play, and hey man, it's tough to
went on the road. I don't care if they asked

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Maryland when they went to Penn State and got whacked
or I can just keep giving you examples and back then.
But if you're playing all ranked teams, there's not as
you don't expect us to win every game. So it's
just a it's it's not easier, it's just different. It's
just different. You know. Now the Americans got you know, hey,
we've got two games this week. Both teams are ranked,

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so you know, but when you're playing teams that you're
you're quote unquote supposed to beat, and those teams are
good teams, I mean they might be like memphisis fifty
in the net and Jeremiah Martin is one of the
best guards in America, and especially since February first, he's
evering thirty three game. It's not like that's not a

(24:25):
layup of the game. Like, it's not just they're gonna
win easy. So just a different world, you know, because
back then you could go ten and eight in the
Big East and it was a great year because everything
you played almost was ranked. Yeah, and now unless you
win the league, it's not considered nearly nearly as as
great a great year. A guy who's having a great
year for you as John Cumberland, um just kind of

(24:46):
a rugged guy who can play inside. Now his skill
continues to develop. Mean, here's the guy who was kind
of an ancillary part the last two years and now
in nineteen nineteen A game guy. What does he need
to do? Now we're in March. Now he's the top
everybody scattering report, whether it's in league aaleleague. But you
got you see, you've got Central Florida and you got
Houston and then you got the league championship, which everyone knows. Everyone.

(25:09):
What does he have to do to kind of complete
this task win a league championship and try and win
that conference tournament championship. Well, first of all, I don't
know if my fans care about the conference tournament championship.
I don't want to go lud Olson on you, but
you know, uh, should they? Though? I mean, and then
I mean, is it? I don't know, Doug. I mean,

(25:30):
that's a different topic. I'll give you Jared first and
we'll move on today. You know, Jared Cumberland is a
lot like a guy like and there's been a lot
of these guys. You'll come up with examples. Doug McDermott, Okay,
the great college player. I mean, he can score in
every way you can. He can make hard threes, he

(25:51):
can get filed, he knows how to move without the ball.
He's our best passer. It's not even close. He's he's
just got great basketball instincts and there's nothing more he
can do. What I have to do is get him
protected by the officials, number one, because he's been getting
mugged lately. But number two, I gotta make sure that

(26:15):
I'm not letting teams take him away. So if they're
doubling him off everything offer on the ball screens, I
gotta just put him in space. We've got to do
what we would call you our Golden State series is
where we gotta screen for him off the break before
teams can load up. Uh, where we would call it,
you know how they do it on the run before.
It's not even a set play, just trying to get

(26:37):
him off the screen, re screen before teams can load
up on because if you have to call set plays,
it's tough because teams obviously, like you said, he's on
top of the scouting report. But then if they do that,
I gotta put him in space. Uh so he can
pick him apart with the past. So it's really he's
doing everything he can do. I gotta make sure I'm
adjusting our offense to make him be hard to fend

(27:01):
even if you are double on him, so they I
gotta get in space. But he's a great player. Man's
a great college offensive player. And he's you know, he's
not long, but but he's he leads us in charge,
is taken. He's just he's really a good, good basketball player.
You mentioned that your fans they don't they don't they
want to see what you do in the n c

(27:22):
A tournament. You know, Hey, all the people going to
Memphis far conference they are. I'm not saying they don't
want us to win, but you know, but it's not
it's not the it's not the NLB all it's it's
just not I mean, part of it is this league
is kind of you know, mismatch parts whatever. Part of
his most league, most conference tournament championships don't mean as
much as the everything is about the n c A Tournament.

(27:42):
Is that good? Do you like? Is that good for
the sport? I don't know if it's fair to the players. Uh,
And I don't know if it's fair to the coaches,
But you know what I seem, I try to teach
my players lessons. Man, Life's not fair. That's how it is.
You know how many people pay attend other than people
that love college basketball like you? Uh, who's paying attention

(28:05):
until after the super Bowl of the sporting world. The
people that are you know, they go, they don't do
two sports at a time. They moved, you know, they
moved from one to the other. Okay, then when when
March madness is over, then they moved to the NBA playoffs.
So I don't know if it's fair, but it is
what it is, my man, you know, and that's just
the way. You know, it doesn't lessen your accomplishments as

(28:27):
a coach or a player and your regular season accomplishments,
but uh, you know, they everything is about March at
the end of the day. We I mean, that's just
the way it's becoming college basketball. Um, this weekend, you
guys played fifth Third against Houston and people. I actually
went in there one time, you guys, I did. I
did a couple of of your games. I went and
took a tour and checked it out. You guys r

(28:48):
out of town and it's unbelievable, Like it is a
really really cool spot. Um, what's that? What? What's that
place like? For people who haven't been you have you aged?
We had Kelly been on earlier and you know they
had their their deal redone and it's super nice. But
yours as like next level what they've been able to do.
What's that building gonna be like when Houston comes to town. Well,

(29:10):
it's just been great for our fans. You know. Nowadays, Uh,
you've gotta have entertainment value, you know, especially in pro
towns because people it's you know, Lawrence, Kansas, They're coming
no matter what, right, I mean, that's just the way
it is. But especially in pro towns when there's a
lot of options and cities for things for people to do,

(29:32):
and there's only so much you can do with the
entertainment dollar. It's almost like you know, nightclubs in New
York or l A. I mean, somehow you've got to
make it the place to be, right. So restaurants, Uh,
we got different different types of craft beer bars and
open air people can stand there and whether they're going
to concession, they can still see the game almost like

(29:54):
at the newer, newer baseball stadiums, uh, in those standing
room places. So they just did an unbelievable job with
our arena of making it a place where you know, hey,
eight eight eight females that they might like sports, but
it's this girl's night out. They may go to the
game just because the atmosphere and it's the place to

(30:15):
be because you gotta get that your hardcore people are
coming anyway. But it'll be nuts Sunday now, but it's
gonna be nuts tomorrow night in Central Florida on Senior
Day for Taco Fall and b J Taylor because man,
they're they're really good and they're coming off their biggest
win maybe ever in their program. And uh, you know
we so we're right now our minds on Central Florida.

(30:37):
You know, we get we'll be well, myself included, we'll
all have our road black on being ready to be
the bad guys tomorrow night. Yeah, I can't. I can't
wait to see it. Well, listen, I'm excited to see
what you guys do. Uh, the mainner of the season
into the postseason and getting ready for the n c
A Tournament. Always great to catch up. Thanks for taking
us back down memory lane, Uh to your knee injury

(30:58):
and knowing that you dropped the I'm at at practice
then he dropped the mic and made sure everybody knew
you still had it. Just had a bad body, bad
body mc cronin everybody. Thanks so much bad body. You
got a brother. Hopefully it will stay alive and I'll
check in with you later in March. Awesome, thanks so
much Mic cronin joining us on the Dug Gotlip Show.
Let's quickly get you to Dan buy or find out
what else is going on the world of sports. Dan,
when you got from Cincinnati to Pittsburgh, we go by

(31:20):
talking about the NFL. The Steelers have reportedly told teams
interested in Antonio Brown that the wide receiver will be
dealt by Friday. ESPN says there have been about six
or seven teams that have spoken with the Steelers about
Brown services, and he trade camp be made official until Wednesday,
March thirteen, that's the start of the new league year.
At CBS Sports is saying the Colts are expected to

(31:41):
pursue freege at wide receiver Tyrrell Williams, most recently played
for the Chargers. Raiders also expected to be in on Williams.
While the Browns today release Venteran linebacker Jamie Collins, The
Warriors at freedge and center Andrew Bogan have agreed to
a one year deal for the league minimum. Well se
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(32:01):
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(34:15):
game time. Side on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Buyer, Dan Buyer,
what's the game today? The game today, Doug? Is real news?
Fake news? Alright, real news are fake news. That Philly's
outfielder Bryce Harper issued an apology today for mentioning that
he will talk to Mike Trout about coming to Philly,

(34:38):
it sounds like fake news to fake Yes, he did
not issue an apology and in fact told ESPN quote
if I didn't mean it, I wouldn't have said it.
End quote. This on the heels of the Angels contacting
Major League Baseball about possibly tampering Angels g M. Billy
Eppler made the comments to The l A Times yesterday,
saying they contacted the league, but that was the only
comment they would have on the matter. I mean, like, look,

(35:02):
we all know that the Phillies are coming after Mike
Trout because he grew up in Jersey outside of Philadelphia. UM,
supposedly grew up a Yankees fan more than a Phillies fan.
Also interesting, there's this assumption that Mike Trout is wildly underpaid.
He makes thirty three million dollars this year, and if
the Angels want to hold on to him, they have
two more years. Proved to him that it's a better place.
He lives in Newport Beach, He's got a good life,

(35:24):
got a good wife. He's from Philadelphi, from the Philadelphia area.
Proved to him that this is a better place for
him to play. You know, they got stadium issues, they
got team issues. They've had massive hostel injuries and the
pitching pitching staff the last couple of years, like we'll
see you get you know, you get that many years
with one guy and you can't figure it out, gets

(35:44):
the playoffs one time. I don't necessarily blame him, I
just don't. But this becomes a big year because this
would be the off season which you can trade him.
Real news or fake news. An election day is going
to be held in Major League Baseball to determine these
starters for the All Star Game. Wait one more time.
An election day is going to be held in Major

(36:06):
League Baseball to determine the starters for the All Star Game.
That sounds like real news, spectac Yeah. Jeff Passon of
ESPN saying, as part of the new cb A, the
structure of voting for the starters for the All Star
Game would change. Votes would be tally during the first
part of the season, just like they are now dug.
But what you would have is the top three vote

(36:27):
getters at each position then would be put on a
ballot for a specific day where then people could vote
for those three finalists at those positions. Okay, so you
wouldn't have no, no, no, I got it. I just okay,
I know. I was just saying like you wouldn't actually
think actually, like Adam Silver is, like, yeah, the whole
All Star Game thing is antiquated, like the Baseball Star

(36:48):
gave needs to be the best, but it was because
baseball they didn't have inter league play. Now we have
interleague play every series. Honestly, like, I want to expand
Major League Baseball just so we don't have the interleague
play on every series. I agree with that. I just
that there's nothing special about it. When when they first
started back up and early played was really cool and
there are certain earlyague matchups that are really cool. But
then the fact that, like on every series, because there's

(37:11):
fifteen in the American, fifteen the National, it just it's
not great. It's not interesting. And because we've you know,
one K cable television and then two we see these
guys play enough, we don't need the whole All Star
Game thing. I gotta compass something new. This is something
new for voting, but I don't think it makes voting
any more interesting. Maybe it gets you to where you
have the true best All Star I guess here's my question,

(37:33):
you Dan, yeah, question, how do you what you consider
the factors and who you vote for as an All Star?
And I'll give you three or four factors. Uh, they're
they're the entirety of their career, what they've done in
the last calendar year, and what they've done the first
half of the season. First half of the season is
the one for me first and then probably career, and

(37:55):
then third would be what they've done in the last
calendar year from that pre be a Saul Star game.
So Matt Kemp, for example, last year would have been
the starting center field during your All Star team. Um, yeah,
just yeah, for if he had one of the top
first half's. Yeah, that would go into it. Yeah, yeah,
I'm actually the I actually worked the opposite. I go
last calendar year then career than what they've done in

(38:17):
the first half of the season. I don't have as
much of a an attention span to remember what they
did the second half of that last year. It's more
of like, well, I just I didn't need to spend
that much time. I will say this though, for two things.
Number One, it gets them more online votes for people
to go to their website wherever. You know they would

(38:38):
for MLB dot com. But it would I think put
a kink into having like in all Cubs in field
because if you had then I'm just using the Cubs
for an example, but if you had you know Rizzo
and Briant and Addison Russell, you know these guys at
the position, you would then be like, Okay, well I
don't want an all Cubs, so I'm going to vote
for this other guy. I think that would that would

(38:59):
change it. You would have instead of voting for your
own guy, you're voting against those I don't understand that
people only vote for their own guys. That's real news.
Are fake news that Russell Westbrook told Carl Anthony Towns
last night, get to the bleeping playoffs before you talk
to me. End quote. By the way, that sounds like
real news. And Spectac Towns had quite a night last

(39:21):
night and taking down the Thunder. But Westbrook made that comment.
According to The Athletic, the interesting thing was they did
make the playoffs last year. They just lost to the
Rockets in the first round. I feel like they made
the playoffs twice and night. No, that's no, it's Anthony
Davis has made it never advanced. But it is funny though, right,
and but Karl Anthony Towns has been playing amazing basketball
statistically they won the game. Real news are fake news.

(39:44):
Magic card Marquel Folks could be making his Magic debut,
returning from a shoulder injury in the next two weeks.
That's fake news. You are fake news. Yeah, I was
gonna do it myself. Head coach Steve Clifford told Sirius
Sex MMBA radio that he wouldn't be back this season
on Monday and and said on Tuesday right now, there's
no timetable for Foltz's return, so you wouldn't have Folts

(40:05):
coming back. Not likely to play the rest of the season, Magic,
though could be headed to the postseason. Finally, Doug, real
news or fake news. The next member of the forty
Niners Hall of Fame will be wide receiver Terrell Owens,
and he will actually attend that ceremony. It sounds like
real news the spectac Yes, it is. Owen's going to

(40:26):
be enshrined to the Niners Hall of Fame. Of course,
the schedule has been released and we don't know what
game he's going to be honored, but did say that
he would attend the festivities in the Bay area, something
he didn't do in Canton. Yeah, he's not gonna hold
a a a parallel ceremony to congratulate himself in San Francisco.
And that's our game. This is game time on the

(40:53):
Dug Gotli Show. I do want to dig in on
some of the NFL Draft stuff. There's been some pushback
on Charlie Casserley's reporting from the NFL combine on Kyler Murray.
I'll tell you whose side I take in the matter.
Charlie Cashley is gonna join us next hour. Will ask
Charlie himself and see what you think. Plus all American

(41:16):
and former Michigan linebacker Devin Bush joins the show. Up
coming Next, we're gonna ask him. We gotta get his
weirdest hardball story. Can't tell me a story that somebody
else's involvement with hardball. But we also ask I have
to ask him what the strangest question asked at the
combine was. Um, So we'll digin with with Devin Bush,
who was just a tremendous football player. Football was it?

(41:40):
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to get some of the hoop stuff from last night.
Both college and pro to discuss, plus Charlie Cassidy will

(42:23):
join us. Uh, we'll ask him about some of the
pushback over what he's heard regarding Kyler Murray. But one
guy who had an outstanding combine ran a four four
three this at five eleven, two thirty four. An elite
linebacker played this year at Michigan is the hard hitting
football playing Jesse. He's Devin Bush. He joins us on

(42:46):
the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, that
was that was even better than Jabrill Peppers. Like what
in leading up to the combine? What was the biggest
thing you had to work on in your forty time? Yeah,
it was just the fact just actually running the forty
because you know, some football players really don't work on
a lot of college So it was just a lot

(43:08):
of the technical stuff. The fort you know, everybody could run,
you know, if you're fast, you fast, But with the
forty is really technical, so there's a lot of a
lot of small techniques. You learned a little different things
that that works best for you. So it was the
focus on the technical part of themes. Okay, so yeah,
with with the technical part, was it the start? Was
it how you position yourself and how you start. It

(43:29):
was it was the position, you know, your home position,
your feet, your hand placements, your steps. Um. So it
was pretty much like the whole thing from the from
the start to the middle to the end. All right.
So you're lined up there, you got your you get
your track shoes on, you got the you know, the
league pointed tights on. Do you remember what? What? What

(43:50):
are you thinking? Like? What goes through your mind as
you're getting ready to start your forty Yeah, so's it's
a lot of exciting. It's a lot of excity, definitely.
So you know, you step up and you you you
gotta take the breaths, and then you've gotta be real
calm and you can't get all worked up, you know,
because if if you, you know, think about it too much,
you may take a false step, or you may roll

(44:11):
out you start, or you may mean too hard and
trip and fall. So you kind of gotta calm yourself
down and remember what you practice and treat you out
a practice rep and you know, do everything that you've
been doing leading up to the day the same exact way,
from from your breath to your setup, toe, your hand placement,
and where you're kneeling, you know where your position in

(44:31):
your eyes. You know, everything has to be exact same.
You can't have one thing that's all for the hold
forwards you and the office. So then you start and
you're running, Like, while you're running, do you know if
you're going you know, if you have a good time,
like it's it happens, it's it's four and a half
seconds or less than four and a half seconds. What's
that feeling like, Yeah, it's very it's very quick. Same time,

(44:55):
it is very very slow. Everything is kind of slow
motion a little bit. So you know, when you actually
in your stance and then you count your breaths and
you hold the count and you're from the first step.
When you take that first step, you know once if
it's a good rep or it's a bad rep. So uh,

(45:15):
but after that, everything everything kind of goes blank. You know,
your mind goes blank and not thinking about anything. You know,
you're just trying to dig. So you get done and like, look,
you had a great college career. Three years. You had
a hundred nine four tackles, nineteen a half for loss,
ten sacks, fifteen past breakups, interception, you're part of a
dynamic that one of the most dynamic defenses in the country.

(45:37):
Definitely in the in the Big ten. But so much
of so you know, so much of how people view
you is based upon like, look, did you run a
four seven and you're gonna have to kill it as
your pro to even more pressure your prote Even then
they'll be at people saying like, yeah, he's not that fast.
What's it like to look over and see the board
and see that there's a four point four sitting there
next next to your name. Yeah, it's just like like

(45:59):
everything I did, every every every uh, every every ounce
of work I put in, Man, it just it just
all paid off of that at that exact moment. And
you know, during this whole process, you you're chasing numbers.
You know, you're trying to trying to get your numbers
right and make sure everything is on point. So just
to see that as like our everything paid off and
everything went right, so you just you just be so

(46:20):
happy it all the work you put in and you
get to find a result. What was the strangest question
asked you during the interviews? Oh Man, one of the
questions was they asked me how long could I hold
my eyes open and so and what was your answer?
I was like, I don't know. So we did that
and a guy put out the time and I had

(46:41):
to all my eyes open as long as I could.
And how did you do I don't think I did too.
It was a fan on two that's why. Like it
was a fan blowing. So my eyes got dried pretty quick.
I think it was like nine ten seconds. Were there
any Fortnite questions? Did they try? And but they try
and apply into probably into what you do what you

(47:02):
do in your personal life. Yeah, it was just actually like,
you know, what what do you do away for football?
You know? I just gave him the answers. You know,
it's just, you know, I'm just a pretty laid bad
guy and then I'm very home home body, and you know,
I'm watching movies, playing a game, you know, hanging out
with some friends. Devin Bush joining us in the Doug
Gotlip Show on Fox Sports. Trader you only twenty years old,

(47:23):
you played three years in college. You getting ready to
play in the National Football League. Um, if you playing
for Jim Hardball is what? What is it? What is it? Truly? Like? Yeah,
and it's it's definitely the experience is the real experience
because I think the way Coach Hardball you know, just
goes about his business is very professional. His schedules are

(47:45):
very very professional, and the way he runs his program
is on a professional level. So I think it's just
a unique experience, you know, playing for Coach Hardball because
he treats you like a professional and he expects you
to act, you know, as a professional case as book us.
So it's kind of like preparation for actually going to
the league. And now nothing's going to be unfamiliar, and

(48:08):
you know, everything that you've seen in the league, you're
they're gonna have been through it or have been through
hard Yeah. And obviously your dad having been through it,
that that that helps you as well, that helps you
in terms of prep as well. Um, doesn't it feel
like like he was a safety you're a linebacker. But
the two positions are are becoming not one and the same,
but there's a there's a lot of one to the other.

(48:28):
I mean, linebackers have to run a whole lot more.
Now You've still gotta hit like you do, but you
gotta run. Um, how how different is the NFL now
to when your dad play in the NFL? Yeah, from
from back then. You know, it's a lot more, you know, bigger,
you know, everything was bigger, everything was slower, and then
it was a lot of run the ball situations. So

(48:50):
I think now, you know, the the league definitely has
spread it out. You know a lot of a lot
of dynamic actually throwing the steel it at one point
you know you may go five wise when play or
of five wise the whole thing, you know, or throw
out of the shotgun instead of throwing under under the center.
So I think the league has become more of a
passing and creative matchups and and very spacious game rather

(49:13):
than back then it was more in between the tackles
and smashed mouth and going downhill two back sets and
you know a lot of a lot of titans in
the field. Last thing memory from Michigan, Uh is it?
Which which is better? Touching the sign when you run
out um in the big house or or stopping the

(49:33):
cleats on Sparta's logo? Which is better? I think I
think both pretty much. I like the same thing. You know,
it's very unique. Not everybody gets to do that, but
uh definitely, uh definitely touching that band and man's touching
the band is everything you know at Michigan, and it
means a lot to everybody. And I think it's just
a brotherhood thing. You know, when you touched that band,

(49:56):
you know you'd become a Michigan man's life. Hey man, listen,
Congrats on a great ca Uch career. Can't wait to
see where you go in the NFL draft. Obviously you
did a great job of the combine. Now is the
Pro Day. Appreciate you being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Thank you, appreciate you having me. All right, that's Devin
Bush Jr. Joining us on the Doug Gottlip Show. Member.
He grew up in Florida. Dad win Florida State, turned
down Florida State, comes to Michigan. His dad was like

(50:17):
a defensive analyst, kind of helped you know, get that
uh you know, get that thing done. And he is
a tremendous player and and how he runs, he's right
like look at linebacker. Now the idea, do you want
to be able to tackle? Yeah, but you've got to
be able to cover space the way he plays? Uh yes,
Ryan Music, you get a question. So I know we've
heard a lot of these, like really weird questions from

(50:40):
the combine is like because they try to maybe like
rattle guys, you know, try and see what their reaction
is if they're asked like an off the wall question
or ask something really weird. Do we know or have
you heard of anyone who's ever said like, hey, sometimes
we just get really bored talking to these guys, and
that's why we do all these weird things. Um is

(51:00):
that's what the the eye test thing sounds like what
Devin Bush just said where they were like how long
could you hold your eyes open? And then they actually
pulled out a timer and made him do it. To me,
that sounds like as soon as he walks out of
the room, they all start cracking up about it later on, like,
oh my gosh, can you believe we actually time that. Yeah.
It's like it's like things you do to your little
brother I'm your little brothers. So like you know, they

(51:21):
ask you to just go do some Why why did
you ask him to go get you popcorn? You didn't
like popcorns? Like? Why not? Why not? Right? It's like
when you're sitting in first class and you just ordered
you you don't you don't even drink, and you keep
ordering alcoholic drinks like, well, it's freeze, so why not. Um,
that's fascinating stuff. The real reason, the real reason that

(51:44):
Lebron isn't working in l A m hmm. We'll get
to that this hour. Plus the man making all the news,
Charlie cassually what he heard and how many people he
heard about about Kyler Murray before the report that launched
the report, and what the pushback has been since. He'll

(52:05):
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what people actually say in the National Football League. He's
Charlie Cashley of the NFL Network. He joins us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Not much going on, Charlie, not
a not a lot of what they got some things

(53:10):
to catch up on. Huh. I guess so a quite
quite a couple of days. Huh so uh Let's let's
get to the Kyler Murray. Um. I think what happens
is people think that there's some inherent bias in whatever
reporting or analysis. Um when when you pulled teams on

(53:30):
Kyler Murray about how many how many different league executives
did you speak speak to? Well, first of all, we're
talking about probably to two different things. I had a
poll before the combine right talk teams. Okay, high level
of people, and um, I said, just give me your
top four quarterbacks raded in order. At the end of it,
it was basically a dead heat. Askings had ten votes

(53:52):
Murray had nine and a half, Um Jones and Duke
had one locker. Missouri had a half and that's pretty
much how they went there. So that's uh, that was it.
You know, after this, I talked to more than two teams.
I'll leave it at that. UM and just you know,
tell me about the interviews for all four quarterbacks and surprisingly, um,

(54:12):
you know Murray dot do do that. Well when you
summarize it, the area is of leadership work ethic. Uh.
And then with the questions I asked them on the
football board, well, we're not for more questions and answers
for him weren't very good for the BALI now that
perspective though, Yeah, I have to put that that's an interview.

(54:33):
That's a fifteen an interview. Nobody is going to make
a decision on a fifteen minutterview. What I did was
report on the fifteen area because I thought it was
something that you know, it was interesting. Um, teams are
gonna go through a long process in the spring. There
are quarterbacks that are one playoff games that failed fifteen
and interviews, so there's a lot more to it than that.
And Friday on up to the minute with the NFL
network one to two. I'm gonna go and show how

(54:55):
this guy can be successful in the NFL throwing the football.
That segment was set up long before we had to
thing yesterday. Um, I see now I read what you
reported and what I found that I do think some
people missed on was you and you tell me if
I'm wrong, But you said it was the worst, that
there was the worst they had seen for a high
level quarterback prospect. So where does that Where does that

(55:17):
cut off? Because you know people said last year that
Lamar Jackson was very nonverbal, was was far behind. Um,
So what in terms of because you you I think
you contextualize it with for a high level quarterback prospect?
Is that for the top prospect in the draft? This
is the worst interviews of its kind? Is that how
you would contextualize it? High level? To me? Is a

(55:40):
top ten pick. We'll say, okay, um, now, what has
to happen is this Lamar Jackson. They went with an
option offense. That's when and they were successful and in
the end, you know, the charges caught up with them.
On defense, I think you've got to have the right
offense for Kyle Murray. Everyone said that what is the
right offense. That's what I'm gonna show on the show
on Friday. There is a right offense where this guy

(56:02):
can be successful. I thought on tape the guy was phenomenal,
made all the throws, strong arm, obviously he's mobile. Um,
you know, did a nice job to me on accuracy
though he read defense is pretty good as simple as
the things he might have seen. So a lot of
positives on tape. The system is key for this guy
to be successful. I think everyone knows that. So the
point is not everybody's gonna take this guy. That's one

(56:24):
thing that can happen here. But I Parazona doesn't take him,
I'll be surprised. How can you find out somebody's leadership
in fifteen minutes? That's that's what people are where you
can't but you can't. But um, you can get a
feeling of how the guy carries himself in the room. Okay,
there's a certain way you carry yourself, uh certain the
way you know, answer questions that you can say, I'm

(56:45):
not sure this guy. This guy is gonna fit and
run an NFL team. I trained players for the Combine,
trained over Hunter players of this guy could not have
been trained for this any But based on the things
that I was told Charlie Cashuley from the NFL Network
joining us and the Doug got Leaps show how much
of it is the juxtaposition with Dwayne Haskins, who apparently
performed really well in these interviews. And how much of

(57:06):
it is the juxtaposition of Kyler Murray versus Baker Mayfield,
who was like a like a savant at the white
board last year? Is it? Is it? How much of
it is the comparison to those two you mean the
comparison to Baker, Mayfield and Haskins. Yes, I don't think
k Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray, Kyler Burry me being measured

(57:27):
up against Dwayne Haskins. Kyler Murray is an Oklahoma guy
being measured up against. Like, Hey, last year we had
Baker and he was unbelievable. This year we got this
guy and he's quiet and he's not nearly the same
at the white board. Do you think that plays into
it all? Um? Yeah? I divide my answer to two points.
Number one, No, he's one is not compared to another

(57:47):
one in that individual session. However, I think it's logical
to compare Mayfield and Murray coming from Oklahoma, and Uh,
what I was told is that, you know, Mayfield is
ahead of him in all the areas that we talked
about as far as the work ethic, Uh, you know,
the handling the board stuff, um, and in the leadership. Now,

(58:08):
leadership may come in many different ways, but that that's
the stuff that has been told to me by multiple
people too. Charlie Cashley joining us in the Doug Otlip
Show on Fox Sports Trading. What were the reports on
on Dwayne Haskins a guy who threw fifty touchdown passes,
a guy who also only started a year in college
at Ohio State, and their offense was not not necessarily
a pro offense, but he put up some ridiculous numbers

(58:29):
and it's more of a pocket quarterback, bigger size. What
were the reports on on Haskins, Well, you know, a
pocket quarterback the forty. I don't think people they may
have been a little surprised at but four nine five
might have been the guests anyway. So he foke for five,
not a big difference. Sharp on the board, though sharp
on the board. He did very well. They had could
grasped what they asked him, and the questions. They asked

(58:51):
him that that came back from all the people I interviewed,
Charlie Cashley joining us in the Doug got Limp show.
Just you mentioned for Kyler Murray, it's canna depend upon
the system. There is this assumption and I think some
of it we hear, we repeat that we what we
hear from the league, but some of it is we're
in media people. We'd like to think that there's an
evolution taking place. Should be pointing out that Tom Brady
want the Super Bowl from the pocket. You know, Philip

(59:12):
rivers from the pocket like you can get I know
Mahomes can can stretch the pocket, but it's his ability
to make all the throws from and sometimes out of
the pocket. Aaron Rodgers as well, Like has the league
changed that much or is it more we we we
desperately want to see more mobile quarterbacks, but those mobile
quarterbacks don't have They still don't have a long shelf life.
What's the reality to it? Well, one thing has changed

(59:35):
a shotgun. Shotgun is used as a primary formation by
a lot of teams. That hasn't that that that has
changed there Um things evolved the run pass options in
the game, but there have been another revolutions to and teams,
depending upon who the team is, sometimes defends that better
uh than other teams. But teams know how to defend it.
Let me say that. Um So anyway, I think that

(59:57):
as far as the evolution goes, UM, I think the shotgun,
some of the run pass options, those are the types
of things that I see now. Again, you're right, pocket quarterback,
they're the ones that have won the Super bowls. Um,
We're getting a little closer now because Mahomes who ran
more of a pocket offense than an option offense, but

(01:00:17):
he made a lot of plays outside the pocket. So
but I wouldn't I still consider him a pocket attempting
to be a pocket guy. And time will evolve. But
we haven't seen it through option type guy. Um, and
I'm not sure we will see that. Charlie Cashley joining
us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,

(01:00:38):
you mentioned that there were there were other quarterbacks. How
far is the drop off after those top two in
terms of your evaluation another's evaluation of the quarterback position today? Well,
Murray is kind of an outlier. It's either you love
him or we're not going to take him all right,
So let's let's assume Murray and Haskins are up there, okay,

(01:00:59):
asking and Haskins is and Murray Haskins, who's traditional as
ahead of um? You know the Duke kid and the
Missouri kid. Now here's the thing, Um, I think that
the Duke guy. I think that guy from middle of
the first round, the Missouri guy. People talk about it
if somebody takes him in the little first round. I
think that's gonna be a reach. I think he's more

(01:01:20):
of a later first round guy, top of the second guy,
top of the top of the second round used me. Yeah,
but but like your it sounds like your expectations for
a Drew lock for Daniel Jones is far less than
that of Dwayne Haskins, right, I gets there's like a
there's a yeah, I guess. I guess I didn't answer
you a question the way you wanted. I see. I

(01:01:42):
like Jones a lot. I think Haskins has a bigger upside. Uh.
And Jones maybe where he is because of the system,
and he masses the system. Now how much better he's
going to get? Um? But I like I like Jones
from Duke I like him a lot. I think he
can win with the guy Charlie Cashley from the NFL Network,

(01:02:03):
long time front office guy, course a long time with
the NFL Network as well. Kind of have to spend
some time this year Doug Gottlib show, Fox Sports Radio.
The Pittsburgh Steelers are basically it's like running an auction.
Right by Friday, all bids are in. Um, what what
do you think of Antonio Brown and what will have
to be done to make sure that that the off

(01:02:24):
the field nonsense doesn't drag on the field and whatever
his next stop is. I don't if there's any guarantee
about that part of it. Um, But to answer you
a question, you'll have to make him the top paid
receiver in football, so he can get away from that.
But Tyreek Hills about to be paid. So if you
may wait a little bit longer and and uh, you
might be able to solve another problem by him saying, well,

(01:02:46):
I'm gonna be one. I don't want to be too. Uh.
And maybe that's maybe that's what his people will want
you to do in that situation. UM, I think that
he's got to be with a team with a strong culture. Uh.
He can't be with a young team. I think that's
gonna be where his best success is gonna come. Uh,
he's got to be with a coach that can can
deal with him. I think Gruten, And I'm saying everything

(01:03:07):
about that theoretical team. Bruten's team isn't that team. But
Gruten's coach some different personalities, and he has a quarterback
and he probably only cares about how many balls he catches. Anyway,
what about levy On Bell? What's what's I mean? Aren't
we looking? We watched Todd Gurley, and I know Todd
Gurley suffered a knee injury in college, so maybe it's
a little bit different. Maybe that's where some of the
arthritists set in that now that's the report that he's

(01:03:29):
got a bit of an arthritic knee and and he
just took too much of a workload. But you know,
they gave him a huge deal, and in the first
year of a new deal, he's already had to have
some limited carries and was wasn't the same guy at
the end of the season. What do you think the
overall value is going to be for a levy On
Bell who hadn't played in the season but was as
dynamical back as it was in the league before he

(01:03:51):
sat out a year. Uh. Excellent question. Um, obviously, I
I don't really know the answer. And I see the
point about Girle and could be a hesitation with teams,
you know, taking running backs on a second contract. Um,
sometimes don't finish the contract. But it's free agency and
there's teams that need money and have money. So I
would I would think you'll get a contract north of Gurley. Um.

(01:04:14):
And I don't know what we're buying. Uh. The guide
in Pittsburgh was a good player who wanted to play,
was enthusiastic, was not a problem. Nothing like Antonio Brown.
He said, a year off and I take him a
while to get back. Any his age is good enough,
but he should be able to still be productive. Um.
I'm not sure you'll get the whole contract out of him.
And what he's gonna want is his money up front

(01:04:35):
in the first two years. So if you have a
lot of cap room, it works good. You'll eat you'll
you'll eat up some cap he'll make his money in
a year three. You have no liability. So that's kind
of a contract. I see getting a set here. Uh,
and he'll he'll make his money because teams can pay
it in free agency. But I would take LAVM. Bell. Yeah,
I would take him, my good thing. My question would
be at at what price? Charlie, great information. I really

(01:04:57):
appreciate you join us and thanks me our guest on
Fox A TRADEO. Hey, great with you? All right? That's
Charlie's Charlie Cashley at the NFL Network. Check out the
NFL Network on Friday one pm. He'll have a breakdown
a Kyler Murray and what will make him successful in
the National Football leg Let's quickly get you over to
Dan Buyer and find out what else going on the
world with sports. Dan when he got a bunch of
news in the NFL, Steelers apparently setting a deadline for

(01:05:19):
the end of the week to submit offers for Antonio
Brown as a deal could be done by Friday. The
NFL Network saying the Steelers have asked teams to submit
their best offer by Friday morning. ESPN says about six
or seven teams and all have had conversations with the
Steelers about a possible trade. Browns are letting go of
veteran linebacker Jamie Collins, while the San Francisco forty Niners

(01:05:40):
will induct Hall of Fame wide receiver Terrell Owens to
the team's Hall of Fame during the twenty nineteen season.
Some news just in for Major League Baseball, as Red
Sox pitcher Stephen Right has been suspended eighty games for
testing positive for a performance enhancing drug. The Rangers sound
reliever Jose Leclair to a four year extension worth just
under fifteen million dollars. The Warriors at free agent center

(01:06:01):
Andrew Boganov agreed to wave one year deal for the
league minimum. No Joel and beat tonight for the Sixers
against the Bulls. He'll remain out with nat tendonitis and
if the World Cup expands from thirty two to forty
eight teams, FIFA is looking into expanding their host sites
outside of Qatar to Kuwait and Oman. Something to look
forward to. Of course, that World Cup will be held

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I I actually like Antonio Antonio Brown to the Raiders.
I do this from Ian Rappaport, uh is a little
bit more on what you heard from Dan Buyer Pegging
teams involved in talks remains elusive and fluid. Rapping Board

(01:07:06):
added three new teams have jumped into the frame the
last forty eight hours. While the Jets and Cardinals are
out of the competition, the Raiders have been one team
consistently linked to the Antonio Brown rumors. So what in
what Ian Rapping words reporting others reporting is that, look,
all bids are in by Friday. You know you've you've called,

(01:07:27):
you've made what will we offer? Like? Look, and people
do this in real estate all the time. You list
something actually low, like a low price. You know your
listed the house from five thousand, five hundred thousand dollars,
knowing it's a six hundred thousand dollar house, hoping you
get a bunch of bids, and then once you get
the bids, then you go back to all the buiddings, like, look,
we got a six hundred thousand dollar bid. You know,

(01:07:49):
if you want to go up, all right, then final bids.
So this is just a bidding process, that's all it is.
And this is the Steelers going like, all right, final bids,
we need them in Friday. And I think that Raiders
make a ton of sense. Now, do I love the
idea of paying Antonio Brown more than any wide receiver

(01:08:11):
in the nash Football League? Not really, I mean rewarding
his type of behavior only in powers his type of behavior.
But I'd like to see how the contract destructure. Remember,
the Raiders have a ton of cast space, ton of
cas space. And one of the things they have in
Gruden is Gruden has a nine more years on his contract.

(01:08:35):
You're not You're not running the coach out of town.
The Raiders have also sat, you know, historically sat players
even in their prime. I mean, um, Marcus Allen obviously,
you know he crossed whatever he did to end up
crossing ownership back in the day. The fact is that

(01:09:02):
Al Davis sat him in his prime and played Bo
Jackson instead. Some off the field stuff. But but more
than anything, I think that Gruden's tenure, Gruden having won
a Super Bowl, Gruden having dealt with unique personalities before,
like a Keyshawn Johnson back in the day. He'll draw
on that. Gruden can say, like, look, we had Jerry

(01:09:25):
Rice in the second phase of his career. He was
incredibly successful. We had uh, we had Tim Brown in
the second phase of his career, and look how successful
he was. I mean, if the idea is we had
Leviyan Bell, we had Antonio Brown, we keep Derek Carr,
I don't think this is where you want Kyler Murray,
though the rumors of he wants Kyler Murray, Like, yeah,

(01:09:48):
I don't want a rookie quarterback. I want a venturing quarterback,
and I want somebody who knows how to get the
ball out. And if if you look at what many
people believe the Raiders will do in the upcoming NFL draft, right,
it'll start to make some sense to you. If Josh

(01:10:10):
Allen is available, and you sit there and go like, okay,
here's what they did did They had to pay Khalil
Mack ninety million dollars guaranteed to keep him, so instead
they trade him, get two first round picks, and one
of them is Josh Allen, who may not be as productive,
but younger and a fraction of the price of what
you would have had to pay for Khalil Mack and

(01:10:32):
a ton of town. And then with the money that
we saved, and we also trade away our top wide receiver,
and with the money that he would have maken fourteen
million this year, maybe we pay seventeen million this year
to get Antonio Brown. We got a better Antonio Brown
is better? Right? Does anybody anybody want to argue that
Antonio Brown is not the better wide receiver of the two?

(01:10:55):
Of course not, of course, not all right? So I
look at it and you go, well, you know, look
at what what Gruden would be able to get a
better wide receiver, get a younger uh rush end, and
get a better running back than they had, and then
use all the rest of the picks, all the rest

(01:11:17):
of the cow space to fill in all those other holes,
especially on the defensive side of football where they were
not very good. Continue to fix that offensive line, and
you have yourself a much better football team immediately. Do
I have questions about the culture stuff, of course I do.
But the culture is established by the head coach, is

(01:11:39):
established by the quarterback. And though Derek Carr has been
up and down as a quarterback. Nobody questions his his
ability to be the right dude off the football field.
And John Gruden is the unquestioned leader in that locker
room and in the front office, and he's not going
anywhere for nine years. Yes, Ryan Music. One thing that
could be looked at is is there any way that

(01:12:02):
maybe the pursuit of Antonio Brown may also be that
sort of like splashy gotta get a star player for
when they make the move to Vegas kind of thing,
so that that I don't think, so is it possible,
Like that's not a crazy thing to ask, It's not
a crazy thing to ask or crazy assumption to make.

(01:12:23):
But I just don't think most people think that way.
I think that John Gruden thinks like most people in sports,
to you know, what makes people go to the stadium
when you're really really good, Like not an end zone dance.
Don't care about an end zone dance. End zone dances
icing on top. If you happen to have a great
team that happens to do great end zone dances, cool,
But fans show up for two preseason games, eight regular

(01:12:45):
season games, and playoff games if you're good, If you're
good it doesn't matter style of play, Like do I
prefer teams to score points as opposed to try and
milk the clock? Of course, and the league is trending
that way to where you're gonna have to score points.
But but I I just think I don't think it's
I don't think they would acquire Antonio Brown for splash

(01:13:06):
that might be an ancillary benefit. I think it's because
he's really, really, really good. They got rid of their
most talented wide receiver who is not in the He's
not in the ballpark. He's not in the ballpark with
Antonio Brown. And that's really kind of what it comes
down to. Like, you go and look at what Antonio

(01:13:29):
Brown has done in terms of production, and I got
grant he's he's thirty, but he's not an old dirty
It's not like he's a guy who's constantly missed games,
constantly miss snaps or whatever. I mean. No one on
Earth thinks that Amari Cooper and Antonio Brown are in close,
are close to being comfortable. Now. The one thing with

(01:13:49):
with a Marie Cooper is he's obviously much younger. You know,
he's only twenty four years old, but he has not
to this point own the ability to be anywhere close
to the game brinking wide receiver that Antonio Brown has been.
And so if you upgrade it wide receiver and maybe
you take a sight set, you know, like he's not

(01:14:11):
Khalil Mac. But you go in and get a really
really talented young defensive end and you get a freak
talented you know, dual threat running or catch out of the
the backfield running back like if those are the if
in addition to draft picks, those are the moves that
are made to help fix the Raiders. I would say
Gruden's gone on a pretty good run. There are the

(01:14:32):
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(01:15:18):
You know it's interesting. I saw this number fascinating. Do
you know what the lowest plus minus for any tandem
that plays with Lebron this year with the Lakers is.
It's actually re Gen Rondo. There are minus fifty five
when they're on the floor together, and the four highest

(01:15:42):
for highest plus minuses are with Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram,
Kyle Kuzma, and Josh Hart. It's interesting. Next out, I'll
play for you, Um, what I thought was a very
thoughtful response to why the Lakers are struggling and talking

(01:16:03):
about the Lakers youth from Lebron James, but statistically that
doesn't actually appear to be the problem. We'll get to
that next hour. Every day, at this time, we like
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and now say, here's Shannon Sharp explaining why he thinks

(01:16:23):
the Rockets are ready to take down the Warriors, not
only the big threat I believe they're the only threatened,
but a lot that's contingent. Skip on Chris Paul's health,
and we know a lot of times come playoff time,
Chris Paul is not healthy. Hopefully he's gotten that injury
bug past. And because it happened early in the season.
Skip James Harden, he's unguardable right now. Skip he's unguardable

(01:16:43):
because if you hit Kauai, lean it up and see
I'll come for thirty five. We know Kauai if a
top two own ball defender. He hit Paul George up
for forty two and forty one the last two times
they played. Paul George Kauai the best to own ball
two way players going in the NBA right now, they're
the only threat. Not are there threat, they're the only threat. Um.

(01:17:09):
I think they're a threat. I don't think they're as
good as they were last year, and I think most
people would agree with that. I mean, without you know,
Trevor Reason was the best weapon they had. I mean, like, look,
it's so much, so much more interesting than just the
stats of look at how many points that he had
the problem with them guarding the Warriors is where you're

(01:17:30):
gonna hide James Harden on defense? Where are you gonna
hide him? P J. Tucker is tremendous and he does
a good job of being physical with Kevin Durant, although
Durant struggles sometimes with him sometimes with the reason with
only one you're always just a couple of foul calls

(01:17:51):
away from that not being an issue. And as as
physical and nasty and tough and tenacious as p J.
Tucker is the fact is that when Rant gets it going,
he can just shoot right over him. But then, when
are you gonna hide hide James Harden, Like you can't
have him guard Clay and he can't have him guard
Steph and based upon their lineup, he's gonna have to
guard one of those two guys, you know, and if

(01:18:15):
they if he they try and hide him and put
him on like. That's the problem with the Warriors is
that your inability to hide a guy like a if
you have a week perimeter defender, and they'll just continue
to expose that time and again. Whereas no, they don't.
You know, Iguadala is their best defender, but he's past
his prime. Obviously, you put Kevin Durant on him where

(01:18:37):
you can give him some space and block a shot
because he's so long that they don't have one guy
who's as good a defender as other people have. But
in totality they do and their offense is just not
as good. I still think Oklahoma City, I know they
lost at home last night, I still think Oklahoma City
is the most likely second challenger, most likely you know

(01:19:00):
team to challenge the Golden State Warriors. And the Warriors
we talked about plus minus there are minus four with
Boogie and their starting lineup. He has not made them better.
On the other hand, I do believe, I though, I
completely believe that that Andrew Bogan, if you can play,

(01:19:20):
will play, and we'll make the Warriors better. I think
that's a great acquisition. And that's what the Fox said,
little college hoop for you last night. Last night, a
historic street came to an end. For fourteen straight years,
four stream straight years, Kansas had won the Big Twelve

(01:19:41):
or a portion of the Big Twelve. And I had
to be the guy in the room that says, like, hey,
the first seven years they didn't play an even schedule,
being an easier schedule than anybody from the South, and
they did tie. But to do it fourteen straight years. Incredible,
incredible stuff. But man, that street came to an end
in like want Wong fashion. You know, you're down over.

(01:20:03):
Oklahoma was fighting again in the n s A termin
There's just no juice. And it's interesting because this is
this is the time of year where college basketball can
kind of take over, and it's just missing that something.
You know, there's no zion. The Kansas game, well, you know,
it wasn't like great and competitive outside of Gonzaga, who

(01:20:26):
on the West coast really intrigues you, and even Gonzaga
right now not playing against top level competition. Yes, we
have Duke Carolina this upcoming weekend. But it's interesting. I
thought I thought this would happen a little bit, and
I'm sad to report that it has happened. You know,
there's a bunch of things that have really heard college basketball.

(01:20:49):
And you know, the the mass exodus for the NBA Draft,
even though the same number of guys are being drafted,
I think is has hurt the talent pool. Uh, but
the product isn't as good and the crowds aren't as hype,
and the thing isn't especial because because the conference has changed,

(01:21:09):
you know, we had mccronin on and like, they're in
the American Conference and people don't care for you win
the American Conference. They don't. People in Cincinnati like, oh,
so you're better than Central Florida and Houston, congrats, Like
that's not a rival to us. And you spent ten
years building you have a rivalry with Louisville. You know,
you can't be the same league of Louisville's an hour

(01:21:30):
and a half away and a little bit I think,
a little bit bigger, different style, but same some of
the same recent successes. No national championships, but they've had
a run in football, Cincinnati has, they've had runs in basketball.
If you're not in a conference with schools that are
your natural rivalries, nobody's going to care. And so when

(01:21:52):
the when the hardcore fan doesn't care, what do you
think happens with the non hardcore fan? Right? Like, you
expand these conferences and you expect people to care and
they just you know, you're you're a Yukon fan. Yukon
has been bad, But if Yukan plays Nova tonight or St. St.
John's tonight or Syracuse stein, the place is packed. They

(01:22:14):
played two lane tonight nobody cares. The conference expansion stuff
made schools a bunch of money, and they need it
because they don't get the funding anymore. But man, what
was the price that the sports are being destroyed? Well,
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(01:23:17):
don't go. Don't bother me. I'm Ba's currently betting on
a sporting event. Not really large fifty large on Illinois
tomorrow at fifty eight. Sorry, Doug, I have other duties
to do, but I haven't lately fired. Did you got
last night? I told you guys to take Oklahoma today.
That was that my one of my passing. At the

(01:23:39):
very end, I said, take Okah. You bankrupt us in February,
so we decided to turn over a new leaf in March.
I just don't listen to the show. So Ramos is
still drunk from the from the what's it called reveal party?
Gender reveal Party? Gender reveal Party? I did not make
the general reveal party, and I I apologize. How did
you guys review of the gender We opened up a

(01:24:01):
bag and balloons flew out with the color of the
young person inside my wife, the boy, the boy. Yeah,
well yes it was like the most Like it's not
a surprise anymore, John, you've already had the reveal. Actually, yeah,
the inside my wife is what threw me. You can
deside my wife. I like the young person, young person,

(01:24:24):
it's a young ten year old boy. That's actually it's
baby baby starting motor Now that's what I always say. Yeah,
it comes out like it was not pops. Want to
go out, I want to go out when I bet
a game? Um, so who put the balloons in there? Who?
Who knew the secret? Um? Shout out the Party city?

(01:24:48):
Who put the balloons in there without anyone's knowledge? So
what do you from? Oh man, we'd like to welcome
you into the doctor's office. I am John. This is
my wife, Suzanne. This is Trevor. You will tell him
what the gender of the child is and we'll step outside. Actually,

(01:25:10):
like a boy, Trevor was like, okay, dudes, got it,
got it? Okay. He's like texting, Okay, you're all set, Like,
how did how does it go down? How does it work? John? Um,
we just counted it down and we might no, no, no,
how does it work that Trevor finds out to get
an envelope? Yes, the Sudanne ob Gynne gave her the

(01:25:32):
envelope and then she gave it to her mother, and
her mother gave it to the Party City people because
her mother did not want to know either neither. She
was gonna know and do it herself, but then she said,
I don't want to know. I want to be surprised,
just like you guys. So she gave it to the
Party City person and they went ahead and did it
themselves and shout out to Trevor from party like yeah,
my national radio awesome. Um okay, so that that that

(01:25:56):
that's cool? Um? Did you did? Did Susanne have thoughts
that it was because when we had the twins? I
never get my wife's like, I know there's two we
and for full disclosure, we had IVF so we knew
we were having babies and we knew we were having twins. Um.
Uh did but she but you don't know what gender
you're having. That's not the way it works, you know,

(01:26:17):
Like I'm gonna take a boy. I don't want him
six one. I want a dark hair, handsome, Like can
you fix that up for it? Like, well, I'm sure
we could probably do that, but we don't do that
yet anyway. Um did she? But my wife was sure
we were having boys at first and we had twin girls.
Did she have any feelings? Um? Well, you know, Lucas

(01:26:37):
was very Uh he moved a lot inside of Suzanne.
He was directive, very active, and she's been said a
couple like a week ago that it's felt really active.
So she had inkling it might be a boy, but
of course you're not for sure so, and it was
it was a boy Mozle talk to you and Susanne
and whoever the father is amazing. Steve Doug Gota leaves

(01:27:01):
here here on on Fox Sports Radio. So last night
the Boston Celtics began a four game road swing. They
play the Warriors, they play the Kings, and they come
down and play the Lakers and the Clippers. I think
I have that order correctly. And they got like a
day off in between all these games. Be interesting to
see how they play on this West Coast road, Scoe.
And of course people were predicting gloom and doom because

(01:27:22):
they had lost I think five out of six games.
Um coming into the Golden State game. Now Golden State
didn't have I didn't have Clay Thompson, so that's part
of it. But part of it was they go and
get a win on the road, and Gordon Hayward plays great.
He's thirty points. After last night, the Celtics are eighteen

(01:27:46):
and two in the twenty games this season which Gordon
Hayward choots at least from the floor, seventeen and twenty
two in the games of which you just not translation, Like, Hey,
Carrie Irving and his leadership is important, but no one
else's really important. Our highest paid free agent player that
we acquired in a free agency bananza two years ago.

(01:28:08):
That guy plays well and we're pretty good. Marcus March said,
has said it best. It makes our team even better.
When he's a confident Gordon, he's playing like the Gordon
we know. The man keeps working and working and even
though things aren't going for him, he continues to work
and he doesn't quit. And that's why we're so so
optimistic about getting the old Gordon back because of how

(01:28:28):
hard he works. Al Horford said, when when he has
these big games, we feed off him. He's such a
good player. Where so much better and he plays at
that level, we're just a better team. Gordon Award figuring
it out. This is a lot like the idea of Kentucky.
Right Like Kentucky plays their freshman at the start of

(01:28:50):
the season. They gotta be by fifty points by Duke,
who also has a bunch of freshman. But those guys
eventually they figure it out, right, you know, more like
more often than not, they figured out right about now.
In Kentucky, I know they got blown out by Tennessee,
but after beating Tennessee and and doing they'll probably get
a number two seed. Kentucky's kind of figured out who

(01:29:11):
they are and those guys improved, and that's the challenge
for Gordon Hayward. Can he get his game back by
the playoffs? And if last night has any clue, the
answer is yeah, yes he can. We focus so much
on Kyrie, his interaction with teammates, his assist total, how

(01:29:33):
much he defends, it's almost like we don't pay any
attention to Gordon Award, who has not been good this year,
has the talent to be an outstanding player and we
don't care if he's out. But the league does, and
this team does because it gives him a completely different dynamic. Heyward,
Kyrie too veteran players. Speaking of vets versus young guys,

(01:29:53):
take a listen to Lebron's Lebron James earlier today. I
shoot around talking about the Lakers youth to be id
and we have two at the time. It's like five
out of our top nine guys that we rely on,
and they're in their first and second year. You can't
you can't find one other team in our in our
league right now that has to rely on on that

(01:30:15):
much um every single night from their young guys in
their first or second year. And it's unfair to those
guys for us to continue to, uh, you know, we
want them to learn, we want them to learn, We
want them to learn. I want them to learn. But
also I have to understand it. They're young as well,
and they're gonna have mistakes. They're're gonna make mistakes. You
try to limit the mistakes as much as positive and

(01:30:36):
that's and that's fair, Like, hey, they're gonna make some mistakes.
By the way, here's a couple of things that are missing.
One there is no hey, I gotta help them, I
gotta be better because when you have veteran guys, they
pick up for you when you make a mistake. Now
I make a mistake, and he gets compounded because they

(01:30:56):
they're making mistakes as well. There was zero row level
of accountability, zero self deprecation. And he's just like those
But he's basically saying like they're too young, they can't win,
And the stature actually tell a different story. The highest
plus minds he has is with those young guys. The
lowest plus minds he has with the old guys. Some

(01:31:19):
of that falls on the on the desk of Rob Polinka,
the desk of Magic Johnson. But some of it falls
in the hands of Lebron James. You're such a great, dynamic,
historically special player, how can you not at least offer
up the Hey, here's these young guys and they have

(01:31:40):
to learn, and this is the time which they can learn,
and I could help. I need to be better, We
all need to be better. There was none of that.
What he just said was, look, all the teams that
are winning are old. We got a bunch of young guys.
They'll figure out eventually, but they're not gonna figure out
this year. I don't know if he if he lives

(01:32:02):
in a world where he understands how he's perceived. Speaking
of Lebron James and I shared red you this thatat
that Tom hab Astro put on NBC Sports, which is
the worst tandem the Lakers have in terms of scoring
offense is when Lebron and Rondo are on the floor,
it's like one point nine as opposed to one oh
eight point one when Lebron isn't with Rondo on the floor.

(01:32:28):
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Doug Olive Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's a writer, he's
a friend, he's a podcaster, he's a longtime NBA reporter.
He's Rick Buker from Bleacher Report. Um, you were the one.
You were like the first one nationally point out, Like, Hey,

(01:33:30):
Gordon Hayward is kind of the key to this whole
thing with the Celtics. I'm sure you felt a little
bit of vindication, but how much different is that team
when Hayward looks like you look last night? Yeah, I
was there live watching it happen, and certainly he was
a contributor, and there was a flow to their team,
and you didn't feel like you were trying to go

(01:33:51):
that that the Celtics are trying to go out of
their way to feature him or to get him going.
Everything was happening within the flow. Um, I just don't
know how much of that was the Celtics dog, to
be honest, and how much of it was the Warriors
as far as just you know, you've got two teams
that are trying to prove that they can be what

(01:34:15):
we ultimately expect them to be. Obviously, the Warriors failed
the test and the Celtics passed it. But how much
of the Celtics passing it was the Warriors failing it
so miserably. That's the part I'm still trying to figure out.
It's a great point. Um. I've been a skeptic of
to Marcus Cousins because he does not fit the way

(01:34:38):
in which they play and he's never played playoff basketball,
and he's going to be asked to do things that
I don't I don't know if he's physically capable of doing,
specifically defensively, like that's a hard one to to try
and hide him or to guard ball schemes completely differently
with your center. Um, how much of some of their
issues is trying to figure out what the hew do
we do with de Marcus Cousins. They just signed Andrew Bogut.

(01:35:01):
They just pulled a guy from Yesterdyear out of Australia
in order to give them a big who understands how
they want to play and to possibly get something out
of the five position. If that doesn't tell you the
level of alarm on the Warriors end of things as
far as what they are and aren't getting out of Boogie,

(01:35:24):
I don't know what will. And And the thing is that,
as you pointed out, and this is what really really
bothered me, it bothers me even more now than it
did then, which is everybody throwing their arms up, Oh
my goodness, they're adding another All Star. It's so on there.

(01:35:45):
Do we understand what an All Star is? Do we
understand that not All Star all all Stars are created equal,
and all Stars someone who's selected at least in part
because the league wants to distribute the fandom and the
accolades in the league. So you know, it's really hard.

(01:36:07):
You gotta be really good to get multiples. You know,
if if there's a guy who's having a good year,
even if it's not a bad team, chances are he
could be an All Star. And it's for what it's
for fifty sixty sixty games regular season games that gets
you to be an All Star. And I don't do
any of this to discount what DeMarcus Cousins has been

(01:36:29):
and is capable of, but just to say they're adding
another All Star, oh my god. Uh, it's just it's
wholly unfair. Goes right past all the things you just mentioned,
which is okay, Well, he was an All Star over
here on a team that never made the playoffs, that
played as him as the centerpiece, which by the way,
gets you the numbers that gets you into All Star status.

(01:36:53):
And now you're putting him into a team that's supposed
to be playing for a championship and he's supposed to
play a role and in a completely different system, and oh,
by the way he's coming back from a torn Achilles,
the idea that they were adding an all star I'm
sure you can tell like it infuriates me that anybody
was singing that song and suggesting that somehow the Warriors

(01:37:15):
had gotten over on the league. It ignored everything else
about the picture. I completely I said it at the time,
and I also say and like you know, And the
other part is how he handles it when he's not
playing at the end of playoff games, because they finished
playoff games with their death lineup, right, That's that's that's
that's what they do. Um, what do you make? You know?

(01:37:36):
K D continues to be He was trying to be,
you know, corporate yesterday, trying to not take any what
he called bait. I think, but man, it's tough to
watch him in a press conference. Is there ever going
to be a moment which he lightens up. Yeah, that's
a good question, because as of right now, he's that's

(01:37:59):
not the mindset of Katie. Katie is very much in
the mindset of I'm gonna say what I want to say.
I'm going to speak my piece. And the more that
people kind of try to back him up on that,
I think the more the more provocative he's going to be,
the more stubborn he's going to be, and saying I'm
not going to try to be PC. I'm not going

(01:38:22):
to try to uh, you know, to to mollify what
I say. And the other the other part, though, is
is like being around the team, being in the locker room.
And somebody else pointed this out to me and and
I paid attention to it. Is that you know, last year,
he and Draymond were really tight, and there was a

(01:38:42):
lot of interaction between Katie and the rest of the
team for the last couple of years. Um, this year
is really different. He is you don't see and I'm
not around the team on the daily basis, so keep
that in in in context. But I don't see the
same interaction between him and other guys on the team.

(01:39:05):
And he has his locker in the corner and it's
kind of the k D space, and it's just different
and and his it feels as if he is keeping
everybody at arm's length, and that's the team included. And
I don't want to read too much into this in
spite of all that I've heard, but if a guy

(01:39:27):
is making an exit, uh, he wants to start breaking
those bonds sooner rather than later. It makes it a
lot easier to step out that door if you've already
edged towards the exit. Is New York still still the destination?
I would I from everything that I know, Yes, I'll
put it this way. Other people that I talked to
in New York are you know, they're quietly confident that

(01:39:52):
that if you know, it's it's basically he this has
a happy ending with Golden State, and that convinces k D.
You know what, I want to stick around. I want
to get some more of this and uh, then that happens.
But if he is of the mind that he's going
to go someplace else, New York seems to be very

(01:40:13):
confident that that's the place he's going to. Land Rick
Bucker joining us from Bleacher Report, Let's get down the
coast where people continue to maybe we can basically call
the season. Discuss the Lakers, and today Lebron said, like, hey, look,
these guys are really young. Look around the NBA, look
at the playoff teams. None of them have young rosters.

(01:40:36):
You know, basically four or five are top eight or
nine are young guys second or third year in the league.
What do you expect, Um, he's playing the we're young
cards suddenly. What's what's interesting is I don't know if
you saw this, Tom hab Astro he he tweeted out
a video the tanem he has the lowest plus minus

(01:40:56):
with is actually Rondo. He's a minus fifty five playing
with Ron though, and the guys he has the highest
plus minus with are the young guys. They've actually been
way better for him. It's been it's been the veterans. Um,
there's roster composition problems. There's a problem of you know,
Luke's ability to coach him and to coach this team.
Injuries have been a problem, but Lebron himself has been

(01:41:18):
a problem. Who deserves what portion of the blame in
l A Well, I look, if they were successful, who
would we give all the credit to Lebron? So how
can we not say it's not working, it hasn't worked

(01:41:39):
and not and I and I say this as a compliment.
I mean, I believe, I believe from the beginning of
the year, I didn't think they were going to be
title contenders, but I thought that they would make it
into the playoffs strictly on the presence of Lebron James,
that he would drag them there, that he would find
a way to utilize those pieces around him, and it

(01:41:59):
does not surprise me. I don't know that it's fair
to say, you know he does it, that that he
works better with veteran players and uh and make the
comparison to what they've done with the younger players and
use that Rondo as that example, because Rondo is a
guy that he needs. He needs to be the director,

(01:42:22):
he needs to be the operator, and Lebron needs to
be the operator. I didn't always believe that necessarily, but
from what I've seen this season, it's like, can he
play a complimentary role? Could he make enough room for
let to let Rondo operate and decide things and have
Lebron playoff the ball. And I said it from the

(01:42:43):
beginning of the year, not thinking that it would really happen,
but I thought that the the best avenue for this team,
and I may have said it to you before, the
best avenue for this team would be if Lebron James
focused his energy at the defensive end of the floor
and set the tempo and the example there, because I
believe that with Rondo and the other pieces and what

(01:43:06):
Lebron is capable of doing off the ball, that they
would have enough offensively to get things done, but that
what they really needed was that team to embrace the
idea that if we're going to be good brandon Ingram,
you've got to defend Josh Hart, you've got to defend
Kyle Kuzma, you've got to defend like that's where we

(01:43:28):
have to accept the challenge. And nothing would have sold
that more than Lebron James saying I'm gonna show you
how because I'm gonna I'm gonna make that sacrifice. And
it's been it's been the opposite. And here's the other part.
When he got hurt, he went, he went to Hollywood.
You know, he fell off the face of the earth.
He shows up at games with wine his hands, like

(01:43:49):
you don't think you have any you know, executives, And
don't mean to interrupt you, but you have any executives.
And people around the league have pointed that out, like
as a an exemple exemplar of you. You're preaching this
team should be all about the right things and keep
its focus on basketball, and you're walking into the arena

(01:44:13):
with a glass of wine. Late late late. It's it's
like it's do what I say, not what I do.
I'm sorry, the NBA doesn't work that way. I don't
care how good you are. It's okay. So um, I
mean Luke's gonna lose his job, right, I mean, that's

(01:44:33):
that's that's the first thing. Um. And then if he
doesn't lose it, I think he I think he honestly,
at this point, he would walk. I really, I really
think that Luke is done with this. Like he's been
put in an impossible situation and he's taking slings and
arrows that Look, the people that are close to him,

(01:44:54):
that that love him and want to see him successful
and think that he's been done dirty by this situation.
Nobody is saying that he's perfect as a coach. Nobody's
saying that he's a guy that went, you know, undefeated
through twenty four games with the with with the Warriors,
whatever the number was, it is, uh. But but they

(01:45:14):
do think that he deserves way better than the position
that he's been put into. And the I mean, I
look between social media and being at Lakers games, the
people that are blaming Luke for this team in this
situation is look, well, look, there's there, there's a there's

(01:45:37):
a bunch to it, though. Hold on, let's let's start. Okay, Look,
Polinka and Magic have done a terrible job. Okay, let's
let's just start with the cantavious callwell Pope, which whatever
they did last year for cap space. I think they
thought that, like he and Magic, he and Lebron were
boys because they're both wrapped by clutch and they're they're
not so and Pope, he is not a he is

(01:45:59):
not he is not a playoff caliber rotation player. He's
cost them games, cost them games, and he's not a
smart player. And among the things that turn Lebron off
munch and look we we will. I will hold Lebron
responsible for Lebron. But dude, when you when you're playing
the Bucks and you're trying to keep a eye for
the playoffs and you can't turn to throw the ball
inbounds in the NBA, like, I'm done, I'm done with you.

(01:46:20):
I'm sorry, I'm done with you. Like I think Plank
a Blank and Magic have done a bad job in
terms of evaluating the roster. Heck, they go and get
Tyson Chandler, like Chandler was good for five games. But
he's he's washed up, he's done. He's a coach now,
he can't can't play. They had Brooke Lopez, they let
him go like they made some they made some errors

(01:46:41):
in judgment. Lebron is responsible, but so is Luke. Now
Lucas played some odd lineups and gotten exposed and not
how to plan for up three D foul? Do you
not foul? Like some of the stuff is on Luke.
I agree with you that it's it's a relatively impossible situation.
But I don't think he was. He was up to
up to a legitimate fight, even if he didn't think

(01:47:03):
it was a fair fight. Okay, fair enough, But I'm
gonna take what he did with this team when he
had young guys and it was really his because this
is this, this is something that everybody has to understand.
And I'm sure you know, once you have Lebron, you
are playing and I don't know what percentage you want
to put it on with the Lakers, you're playing the
Lebron system. You're not making calls. Lebron is making calls.

(01:47:29):
Lebron is deciding where they're gonna go and what they're
gonna do. And you may make a call. But Lebron
half the time, if again, I don't know the percentages,
but a considerable amount of the time is gonna veto it.
He's gonna do something else, and you're gonna let him
go because one he's Lebron into because you, for the
most part, you trust his vision. A lot of times

(01:47:49):
he may be right, you see something you would you
in bolden your players that are of that level to
make those kind of a decision. I look at what
Luke was able to do with the young team when
it was just okay, let me, heres are my pieces.
This is how I'm gonna make it work. So the
part that I don't quite it's just hard for me

(01:48:09):
to put on his plate is I don't know how
much of this is they're doing exactly what he wanted
them to do or he didn't give them the necessary instruction,
and how much of it is there's a confusion between
what they were doing and now what Lebron decides that
they should do in any given situation. I'm not blaming

(01:48:31):
one of the other, but because of that confusion, I
don't know how exactly how much of this to put
on Luke's play. Um Adam Silver had a really I thought,
I thought it was fascinating discussion with um Bill Simmons
last last last Friday. I just thought, like, you know,
like he's just so, he's really incredibly bright and talking

(01:48:52):
about I mean, I watched the entire interview. We're talking about.
You know how millennials they watched TV ship this is
the like the only scheduled t V show is live sports.
But how to how to get them to understand that hey,
seven eight o'clock at night, that's when our games are.
You can't move them like you can move anything else. Like,
But the part that everybody's taking away is the part
where he said, hey, these guys are legitimately unhappy. And

(01:49:16):
of course you got the veteran guys like Charles Barkley
even Jalen Rose, Like, are you stop it with your
legitimately unhappy Um, when you hear it, you've been covering
this league for twenty years, what do you think that
players are unhappy? Yes, that they're like legitimately unhappy, you know,
because of whether it's social media, the pressures of their job,

(01:49:40):
the travel. And he's like the sensitive commissioner, like I
understand their unhappiness and the rest of HS and they're
going like, don't don't really get it? Um, you know what,
what what do you think when you hear him say
that that, Hey, like, here's players that are legitimately unhappy. Yeah,
well I think I think it's true. And I think
that any era that was subject to what's going on

(01:50:02):
now would have the same feelings. You know, the old
guys who want to say, oh, they're just saw and
I heard Look, I was at the game last night.
I was around some veteran players, some old time players.
That was what they were griping about. These guys are
so soft. They don't play, they don't like I mean it,
just look if anybody coming up in this day and

(01:50:23):
age you grew up wanting to play basketball. The game
is not the most important thing anymore. The game. It's
a it's a transaction league, and it's a At any
given time, anything you do is going to be parsed
and put out there and go viral, and that is
going to define who you are. It really doesn't even

(01:50:43):
matter whether you win or lose. It's I mean, I
and look, I'm with Bleacher Report, where is active on
social media as anybody The number of times I see
a play, go out, look so and so good? Put it,
Put this guy in a coffin and body bagged and whatever.
And I'm going he lost by twenty. Who cares? Like

(01:51:05):
the things that are celebrated and the things that are critiqued.
A guy goes up and challenges a dunk and he
gets dunked on, but his team wins, and we don't.
We don't illustrate everything else that that guy did in
the course of the game to win the game. We
just illustrate that he got dunked on. I'm like, how
do you if you are if you play the game? Like,

(01:51:28):
how do you live in that where you don't have
any control over the image that is created and what
people are saying about you? And by the way they're
saying all of it all of the time, I look unhappy.
I mean, he still get to play this game that
you love, and you're getting paid a ton and you
have a great lit of this. I get where people

(01:51:50):
will go, what do they have to be unhappy about?
But the uncertainty of what you're doing and how you're
being judged. I kind of get that. It's an unsettling
place to be. And there's never been an era of
professional basketball players that have had to exist in in

(01:52:12):
this kind of environment. So I'm real slow to hear
the old guys going. These guys are just soft. It's
it's a little bit more than that. Great stuff from
Rick Buker Bleacher Report. Of course, you can download his
podcast What's the What's the pod with you and Hollands
called Yukurrent Friends and Ryan McDonough is on today's podcast

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Part one We talked goats. Believe it at that? All right?
I love it? Downloaded and check it out. Thanks so much, Buke,
appreciate joining us. Let's get you to Dan Bayer. What
do you got Dan? The Ramos and Enemies podcast will
be dropping sometime in the summer. John brings all of

(01:52:54):
his foes on why Are You Really Funny? I appreciate
that hat legit funny. We like we like to have
some fun here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, the Pittsburgh
Steelers aren't having any fun dealing with this Antonio Brown saga.
It could be over though by the end of the week,
report saying the Steelers have asked teams to submit their
best offers by Friday morning. That's from the NFL Network

(01:53:16):
ESPN s as six to seven teams involved. The deal,
if made, wouldn't become official until next week. What's not
known as if the Steelers don't get an offer that
agrees with them, if they'll just trade Brown anyway or
keep him. If they don't get that offer, Browns aren't
keeping linebacker Jamie Collins. They released the veteran today. Well.
The Broncos let go of safety Dairy and Stewart. Red

(01:53:38):
Sox picture Stephen Wright has been suspended eighty games for
testing positive for a performance enhancing drug. The l A
time says the Angels did contact Major League Baseball about
Philly's outfielder Bryce Harper potentially tampering with Mike Trout. Harper
was asked about it today if he had any regrets
or any apologies, he said, quote, if I didn't mean it,
I wouldn't have said it. End quote. Rangers sound reliever

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Jose the Cleric to a four year extension where fourteen
point seven five million dollars and if the World Cup
expands from thirty two teams to forty eight, FIFA looking
into expanding their house sites outside of Gatara Cutter. Both
are acceptable to Kuwait and Oman so we could have
a multi country World Cup in the very near future.

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In the meantime, here's the press, the press, Ali Dan,

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I'm told Ark he has huge news for an up
and coming team in the NFL. Maybe yeah. Matt Miller
of the Bleacher Report tweeted this out, and others have
been talking about it as well, but this was Miller's tweets, who,
of course, you could find on Twitter at NFL Draft
Scout quote the rumors coming out of Cleveland are wild
and huge. Something's cooking and tweets from Matt Miller earlier today.

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What could that be? Anything from Antonio Brown to Odell
Beckham Jr. A lot going on the Cleveland Browns according
to this tweet, What do you think, Doug, I don't know.
I mean the Browns cut Jamie Collins. Yeah, so that's

(01:56:10):
gonna say the more than nine maion dollars in cap space. Um.
I think. I think they think they're close and they're
gonna go for it, so that anything is possible. And
I do think if they were to trade, if they
were to trade O'Dell Beckham Jr. You'd have to put
Antonio Callaway in that deal. I don't think you can.

(01:56:31):
You can have Landry Callaway, Beckham Jr. And in Joku
in the Giants just wanting picks. I think that why
couldn't Why why couldn't I don't know. I just I
just think that that's what the Giants would want, and
the Brons would be like, Okay, I guess it's worth
you know, maybe giving up just just a just a guess.
M hmm, alright, like Antonio Callaoy. I mean, look he's

(01:56:55):
got He's got Baker Mayfield's got Miles Gary's got Denzel Wards,
he's got Nick Chubb. Like they got some dudes on
that roster you mentioned, just coming to his own Kareem Hunt. Yeah,
so yeah, Jarvis Landry. I just I think if you
if you get O'Dell Beckham Jr. The Giants would want,

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you know, compensation back obviously, but also probably a player.
And maybe I just don't know Callaway with the weed thing,
if he's the guy, you know, get Leman seems to
be a guy who's all about culture and character. I
don't know, the NFL not not that not the weed
thing is that huge thing for me, but you know,
like it obviously something that's followed him. But the NFL

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network is reporting that the Steelers are telling teams to
submit their best offer for Antonio Brown. By Friday morning
esp ESPN saying six to seven teams in all interested
in Brown services? Is that a joke? No, No, I
have the six or seven teams have called are interested?
But you know what level of interest? I feel like

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a number? Actually, so I don't know if that how many?
I mean, how many? Uh what's it called auto calls?
Auto cows? Do you get a day? I mean, it's ridiculous.
I don't know. I have a phone with a Hartford
area code, and I'm telling you, I get lit up
left and right by these things. I can't imagine if

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I'm you know, I'm trying to trade Antonio Brown? How many?
How many fake calls I'm getting? Are your fake calls
from numbers striking lee similar to yours? Yes, yes, that's
what I get as well where it's like maybe like
a hundred digits off at the end or you yes, yeah,
less than that? Like, what are the odds? Jason Gola

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fan said dot com by the way, said Ben Roethlisberger
has tried to call Antonio Brown on multiple occasions, but
Brown has never picked up the phone. Come on, man,
you can't pick up the phone. Maybe he thought it
was telemarketers call He's like, man, another one. This is
going faking to be Ben Robinsburger. I'm not falling for
that pipe. CBS Sports dot Com linked up to the

(01:59:02):
Twitter account of Matt Trainer, who showed Josh Rosen jerseys
in Arizona, We're fifty percent off at a local outlet store. Now,
teams did reportedly acquire about Rosen at the NFL Combine.
But if jerseys are for sale, jerseys are on the move,
then likely Josh Rosen. That's not the move as well.
Now that's that from the airs in a Cardinals team store. Right, No, No,

(01:59:25):
just an outlet mall. But who's buying jerseys at outlet malls?
Of who's buying j Rosen jerseys? Who's buying airs in
a Cardinal jersey? Yeah, they should get a Frank Sanders throwback.
The San Francisco Chronicles says a deal for the Raiders
to play in Oakland and isn't a done deal, done

(01:59:46):
deal yet. Alameda County wants to meet with the team
over the rent that they pay for their practice and
training facilities. Apparently it's about a half a million dollars,
so the Raiders may be in a bind. It may
have to pay a higher rent if they want to
stay in Oakland for next season in California, though, I
would guess there's some sort of renters in rental protection

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right where they can't jack out the price control control
for heck, for one year they I mean, what are
the Raiders are gonna do? Heck? Roger Goodell said at
the Super Bowl a month ago that they need the
decision to be shure up pretty soon because they got
to figure out a schedule and travel and whatnot. And
now we're into March. Uh, did you guys play the

(02:00:29):
Lebron James with Rick Bucker? If you did, I apologize
I was doing something else. But Lebron talking about his
young teammates today. Okay, oh yeah, John Romins just said no, so,
but yeah, I was gonna play. Okay, but we played
it earlier. Okay. Anyway, Red's pitcher Sonny Gray blaming his
former team, the Yankees for his subpart. Grace says the

(02:00:52):
team kept forcing him to throw sliders, and he explains
his good slider only works on two strikes and ends
up in the dirts. Is that that you know? Legit?
Sonny Gray could be mad at the Yankees for wanting
him to throw a pitch that he can't throw. Yes,
it's totally legit, absolutely legit that look, you know, Sonny Gray.
Obviously the thought is he couldn't handle the pressure of

(02:01:14):
pitching in New York. But if he's sitting there going like,
they try to have me keep throwing cutters and sliders,
what are we doing? So where's the Yankees are are
completely sold on analytics, regardless of who the player is,
and sometimes analytic doesn't the actual player. And I mentioned
this just at the end of the update about the
two World Cup possibly needing more host countries because if

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the if HEFA expands from thirty two teams to cutter Qatar,
however you want to say it, you could also have
matches in kuwaiton Oman. Of course the World Cup in
the United States, Canada, and Mexico. So that's the The
expansion is like what Major League Baseball did when they
expanded by one team. It's to get the Yankees and
the Red Sox in the playoffs every year, right, And

(02:01:58):
this expansion is just like, look, we got to get
the Americans and the assouri the Italians and every we
can't have the Americans not in this thing. Hey, thank
goodness this year that didn't expand the n C Double
A Tournament because gosh, I don't even know if there's
sixty eight good teams in college shops. They are not.
They are not. I mean Indianas on the in in
some people's brackets there, you know, they're three of three
and twelve in the last fifteen games. That was weird

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how that faded out there, Romos, that was not That
was not the smoothest word. Yeah, Ramos is still thinking,
Trevor trying not some new things, you know, like, hey,
does this work very nice? If so? If I give
you guys a pick tonight, are you gonna use it?
Are you guys gonna sit there and shun me? Because
you know that is that's what you're gonna do. You

(02:02:42):
just sit there and tell me I'm I'm some I'm
a fool because I've lost picks for you before play
the fifth Alright, I like Iowa State tonight on the
road against West Virginia. That one. I like a great deal,
a good deal, um, And I'll give you some more
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