March 11, 2019 • 33 mins
Doug tells you why Antonio Brown forcing his way out of Pittsburgh and getting a new contract with the Raiders is the exception not the new norm for NFL players. He also thinks the idea that the Lakers would trade LeBron James is absolutely crazy. Plus, Kevin Clark from The Ringer joins the show to tell Doug where Le'Veon Bell will sign in free agency.
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He is a raid I gotta Chaine shirts here real
quick because I realized we're recording something digitally. Here we go,
Let's start that thing all over again. There we go.
I'm wearing my Charger sweatshirt. Man, that look bad. All right,
Let's start again. Antonio Brown is a raid a. He's
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a raider. As we told you, this was likely to
be the case. After he said l O L a buffalo,
all right, they tried to send him to Football Siberia. Instead,
they sent him to the Raiders. And what happens when
there is a huge deal is every agent, every pro player,
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former player for probe pro meaning pro for the players,
media member all says this is a new way of
doing business in the National Football League. In fact, Rainy Moss,
who of course quit on the Oakland Raiders, previously said
I'll tell you this, you're elite player in the National
Football League. I think, yes, this is the approach. This
is the page you can take out of Antonio Brown's book.
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Stay aggressive, be aggressive. In other words, don't show up
at work for weeks seventeen when your team is playing
for a playoff bid. By the way, I just want
to point out, okay, that we can say all we
want about Randy Moss, and he was an incredible talent,
but when you empower people like a Randy Moss, who
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was anti media the entire time he played in the NFL,
Kay fought the media, didn't want to didn't want to
handle the media. It doesn't matter what he was as
a player, and then you give him the power of
an out ESPN microphone. This is what happens, he might say,
Randy Moss, just keeping real, Okay, but look, the Raiders
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have empowered a guy who quit on his football team.
And if you think that this is the comp you
don't know how real estate works. Okay, how many of you.
John hasn't bought a house, as the last time he
abought a house was the last time he flew right,
which is like twenty years ago, right. Ryan Music has
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never purchased the house house dam buyers bought a house.
I know this as I've purchased seven houses in the
last twelve thirteen years. And no, I'm not some house flipper.
I'm just an idiot with real estate. But I do
know this about real estate. It's called comps. And you
don't simply take the one top level cop and go
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like there you go. Look, that's what realtors try and do,
that's what sellers try and do, and the buyer tries
to take the bottom camp. And I'm not sure if
it's the median or the mean, but basically, you take
out the top, you take out the bottom and the meat.
That's what it is. Five comps or so, same neighborhood,
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same square footage a lot. Location does in fact matter.
And what happens with comps is we get far afield
from the old real estate saying, which is, there are
three things that matter in estate, three things Ryan Music,
you familiar with those three things. I do believe I
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know those three things. They would be number one location.
Number two would in fact be location. In the last
and most important one would be location, location, location, location,
Which is what the Antonio Brown thing is about. Look,
you can tell me that it's about elite players and
pushing themselves to finally find their own destination. You can
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tell me that because Antonio Brown wouldn't go to Buffalo,
that should empower people to not want to be traded
to locations that they don't desire. And there's some truth
to that. It's why we'll get to this later. Anyone
mentioning Lebron James potentially being traded for the Lakers is
not dealing with the reality of life, which is, he
just moved to Los Angeles, his kids are enrolled in
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school here. He's not moving anywhere else because if you
trade him, he's simply not going to show up. Because
he's Lebron James. But the reason that Antonio own thing
works is location, location, location, not specific to Oakland, but
the Raiders have John Gruden who shed a bunch of salary.
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The Raiders are moving to Vegas, which will fill up
their coffers which are completely depleted now because he is
playing in Pittsburgh. An old school, traditional organization that has
is done. They're done with the levy On Bells, done
with the Antonio Browns, done with their egos. Goodbye will
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We will bite the bullet and take one million dollars
in cap hit and just take a third and fifth
and say goodbye to you. The reason there wasn't a
big trade market for him was because there just aren't
other places that want to pay him. He wanted to
go to that had the cash base and had the cash.
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And the reason this hasn't that more often is there
aren't that many NFL teams they're gonna bite the bullet
and take a twenty one million dollar cap hit. They're
just not out there. So you can tell me this
is a cop in all football players should stand up
and stand up for themselves, like okay, good luck to you.
Antonio Brown was coming into the non guaranteed part of
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his contract, Antonio Brown was playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Antonio Brown is, in fact an elite wide receiver. The
Oakland Raiders had, in fact trade away their best wide receiver.
They did, in fact have a bunch of cap room.
They did have John Gruden who has a long term
contract where he would say, Okay, we'll take a shot
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on this guy. And oh yeah, by the way, Oakland
has a both present day and long term history of
ridiculously overpaying guys. Go back to Namdi Asmani, who they
remarkably overpaid, or Trent Brown, who they just overpaid to
be their left tackle, who they signed as a free
agent of New England. You can tell me this is
a comp and I can tell you no, it's not.
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It's an outlaw. If not for the rule, you wouldn't
have the exception. This is the exception to the rule.
And so if Rainy Moss is gonna encourage all football
players should stand up for themselves and demand where they
want to play football, good luck to you, dude, because
that ain't the way it works. I've seen idiots who
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cover the sport, like Mike Freeman tweet out at justin
Houston where's the loyalty they cut him to say fifteen
million dollars, Like, yeah, but they didn't cut him when
he had guaranteed money as contract and he played five
games and made twenty three million dollars in two thousand sixteen.
It's not loyalty. It's a business. Football teams are running
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a business. There's a certain amount of cat money you
can spend. There's a certain amount of cash that you have.
You don't rob Peter to pay Paul or actually, this
is what you do. You rob Peter to pay Paul. Right,
you can't rob Peter and you can't put in your
It's like NFL GM saves money on justin Houston. Right,
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they say fifteen million dollars. It's not like you said
there and go like, oh, we say fifteen million dollars.
Let's all stuff our pockets with cash. Let's throw a
super sweet party, fellas. Let's go down to the Monarch
Bay Resort data point. Let's go crazy. Right, let's go
down to that little day spa that got Robert Craft
in trouble. Everybody get themselves up massage like any The
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way it works, you got a certain amount of money
you can spend and the Raiders are sitting there going like, Hey,
here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna clear up a
bunch of this cap space. Now we're gonna pay a
bunch of money to a receiver. We got a bunch
of money in the quarterback, and a bunch of money
and left tackle, and then we have a bunch of
draft picks, and we're gonna probably draft all defense. With
the draft picks, they had no more cash left to
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spend on Antonio Brown. Why Because it's a business. This
is the way businesses are run. And in business, occasionally
you overpay for something that wasn't previously yours. Happens to
my business, happens your business. You want to steal the
guy away like Trent Brown, you gotta over pay him.
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Which also makes the Antonio Brown thing a little bit
curious because they didn't actually have to overpay him, Like
where was he going to go? But it's front load
of deal, thirty million dollars in guarantee for two years
they'll be super productive. But I don't believe it completely
changed the landscape of wide receivers or of the NFL.
With star players demanding where they're gonna play next year.
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It's an outlier. It's an exception. The rule is generally,
you make it work. Signed a long term deal, probably
a little bit less to stay home than it is
to go out on the free agent market. And if
they really want to keep you, the franchise tag you,
which they can do for two years before they put
the transitional tag on. Al Right, everybody thought Kirk Cousins
changed the game, Right, Kirk Cousinal. Kirk Cousins changed the
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game fully guaranteed contract. Antonio Brown just signed a contract.
It is a new deal. There is thirty million dollars
in new money, which, by the way, was what he
was going to make if he stayed in Pittsburgh for
two years. It's just guaranteed. That's all it is, which
is what he said he demanded and what he actually got.
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But have you has seen another quarterback sign a Kirk
Cousins contract. Here's the point about Kirk Cousins. And look,
I'm the defender of Kirk Cousins contract. For the Minnesota
Vikings perspective, there weren't better options out there, they didn't
actually exist, and he wasn't actually the highest bidder. But
so far has the Kirk Cousins deal worked out for
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the Vikings, that would be uh no, which is why
nobody's gonna say, hey, let's top the Kirk Cousins deal,
which is a lot like when Namdi osmo I signed
with the Raiders for sixteen million dollars to play cornerback.
Did that work out? No, which is why it's not
a comp It's an outlier deal, which is what the
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Antonio Brown deal is as well. Now, I will defend
John Gridden from this perspective, who's better Marie Cooper or
Antonio Brown? It ain't close. There isn't a single person
in a front office in the national football leage that
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would tell you Mary Cooper is even in the class
of Antonio Brown. Now, he's not a pain in the
ass like Antonio Brown. He didn't die as mustache yellow. Okay,
he didn't have the hair going crazy, he doesn't no
show on his team weeks seventeen. All of that is fair.
But I'm talking about lining up on a Sunday out wide,
who would you rather have Antonio Brown or Marie Cooper?
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Come on? Really? Right? Not not not even a cop.
They're not even the same discussion. Mary Cooper is a
nice player who they would have been on the hook
to pay fourteen million dollars or had to renegotiate a
long term deal with. So John Gruden to all the
naysayers are trying to we all dount, No, he's not.
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He's getting rid of the guys he doesn't want and
bringing in the guys he does and then he's gonna
readload the defense, including defensive end, with the first round
draft picks that he has five for the next two years.
I don't love the message the Antonio Brown things says.
I think it goes counter to what Mike Mayock said
at the NFL combine. We're trying to change the culture.
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Really that changes the culture for the worst. But as
football players, they got better at left tackle, they got
better at wide receiver. They're gonna and while they may
not get a Khalil Mack in the draft, overall they're
gonna be much better off because they're gonna have a
Schmorgess Bourg of young players run around on the defensive
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side of the football, and they've been a bad defense
for years, even when they went to the playoffs, even
when they had clear mac But please stop telling me
that this eception is the rule. It is the exception,
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I think the world of his work. That's why he
joins us here on a huge day in the nash
Football League, first free agency Monday, and there's Antonio Brown
to talk about. There's Trent Brown to talk about, not related,
but both on the same football team now with the
Oakland Raiders, and he joins us on the Doug Gottlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's start with Antonio Brown.
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Every agent, especially Drew Rosenhaus, is gonna say say wide
receivers can get paid and star players can dictate terms
on where they're gonna go. Is this an outlier or
is this going to become more the norm in the
National Football League. It's going to be an outlier, Doug,
because I just don't think there's there's many situations like this.
And by the way Antonio Brown did all this, there's
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he's one of the five most talented wide receivers in
football and there were still only one team that wanted
to give him the money he was seeking. It wasn't
like he had a ton of options here. So if
the Raiders didn't exist, this whole path is just completely different.
And so I just feel like the better solution for
a player like Antonio Brown going forward is to not
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sign an extension, wait out the franchise tag. You know,
obviously he couldn't do that at this point, but I
feel like there are better paths than the path that
he ended up going on. Obviously worked out for him,
but there's probably only five, six seven guys in the
entire league where this path would work out for He
just happens to be really talented, and I think that,
you know, there are a lot of guys who can
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kind of be head cases, but not all of them
are going to the Hall of Fame. That's the exception
with Antonio Brown and that's why this is so important.
That's why I worked out for him. Yeah, and it
is a little bit of the Raiders kind of doing
the same Raider thing all over again, right, like not
be awesome. Why they gave a ton of money to
that didn't work out? Um, and you know last year
the Khalil Mack thing. I thought it made sense for
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the two first round picks and not to pay that contract.
But some of the discussion over what they were gonna
pay was based upon, hey, we're just we're cash poor.
And then you turn around and say, well we're you know,
you put it out there that their cash poor for
Levy on Bell when you just went out and spent
a bunch of cash on Antonio Brown and Trent Brown.
Like this is kind of the Raiders being the Raiders,
is it on? Yeah? And I just people are saying
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that this was some sort of plan to get rid
of Mac and get rid of Cooper, you know, clear
the cap and bring somebody like Brownie. And Brown is
thirty one years old. Brown is a win now kind
of thing. He's the same age that Randy Moss was
when he went to New England. And obviously Randy Moss
had an immediate impact. So if you're getting rid of
all of those guys because you're building for Vegas or whatever,
I don't know if Antonio makes sense. I think it's
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it's sort of a it's more of a win now
move and we're thinking, I guess, and so yeah, this
is just the Raiders being the Raiders. If they really
can't afford leave you on Bell, that's a shame because
I feel like there's a lot of cap space and
there's a lot of the path to competing now if
they had those skill guys around there. I mean, I
think that the Trent Brown is a huge over pay,
but I you know, I see what they're doing there. Um,
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it's just I don't know if there's a plan right
now in Oakland. And if I'm a Raiders fan, I'm
excited that. You know, they're obviously not in full tank mode,
which they may have been this time last year, but
they're certainly not ready to compete in twenty nineteen. So
if if their plan is Levan uh, Antonio Brown, Trent Brown,
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and then use all those draft picks for defense, do
you then like Jon Gruden's plan maybe? I mean you
have to remember that Colton Miller there um, their their
first round pick last year was one of the worst
players by grade in the entire NFL last year, and
that was the first first round pick. He's the guy
that is probably gonna move to the right side with
Trent Brown coming in. And so it comes down to
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what John grew to Mike Math. Don't do with those picks, um,
if they hit and if they have the you know,
almost like Chris Baller did last year in Annapolis, they
get a couple of all pros. Yeah, I like the plan,
But I mean if the plan is just to overpay
a bunch of veterans and not have anything behind them,
I don't like the plan. Um. I just I have
to see more from this entire rebuild to understand if
I like what's going on in Oakland. Because all of
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their decisions last year were so mind boggling, they have
a lot of work to do to make up that.
That's sort of good will. Can you help me out
with paying Landing Collins as much money as the Redskin instead? Yeah?
Simple math. If there's a billion dollars in cap space
and there's what ken twelve fifteen guys on the market,
where worth actual money? I mean, these guys, this is it.
I mean, this is what we've been talking about with
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player labor for five years. Now, get to free agency
and get paid. This is the lesson that Kirk Cousins
taught the NFL, and not enough guys learned this. This
is the lesson and Dominican Sue taught the NFL. Just
get free agency and you will make a ton of money.
There are desperate teams with tons of cap room to spend,
and they will spend it. It is going to be
a ludicrous free agency period. Wellandon Collins is a box safety.
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He does not make sense in the modern NFL. It
is much better to have and you know, obviously they
can't get them. But someone like a Derwin James was
ultra athletic who can cover everything in the field. There
are a lot of guys who are better fits for
a twenty nineteen football team Landon Collins. Landon Collins has
one advantage. He's available right now and there's a lot
of cash to spend right now. Good for him, Good
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for him. But I don't I don't get it for
the Redskins. But but but again, Redskins, where have I
heard this before? Redskins spending a ton of money on
the free agent market. Oh, that's right. Every offseason for
the last twenty years, the Redskins do this. Uh. And
the Raiders, Yes, and the Raiders write Raiders doing Raider things,
Redskins doing Redskins things. Okay, So what about Levan Bell.
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What do you think the actual market is for I
think it should be high, because I I think that
I'm not saying you go out and give them fifty
million dollars. I don't know why you don't frontload if
you're apparently they're not going to do this unless it's
to the discount. But if you're the Indianapolis Colts and
you have a hundred and seven million dollars in cap space,
why aren't you spending that to just front load a
deal to Levian Bell. Having Levian Bell is better than
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not having them, and you know, kind of letting that
cap space roll over again. I don't think it's worth it.
He will probably end up, if if the reports are
to be believe, somewhere like the Jets, somewhere like um
Baltimore where there is in need. But I just don't
understand why there are so many teams with over sixty
million dollars in cap space. Weren't gonna say, you know what,
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why don't we give Levian Bell thirty million dollars? Give
them twenty million dollars in the first year we had
the cap space. It doesn't matter. Let's just have talent.
I don't under I feel like we've gotten too far
in some of these teams never wanted to spend in
free agency, and I just feel like there are values
with someone like Levian Bell. I think he will get
overpaid by a team like the Jets or a desperate
But if I was a smart team, I go out
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and and try to get leveyon Bell type. You know,
it's a really interesting market that I haven't seen discussed,
but I've talked to the NFL people that they think
is going to be a hot market. Is the backup
quarterback market? Right yet, Let's see what happens with Tanny
Hill if he gets released. Uh, Teddy Bridgewater obviously is
fawn upon and you have so you have two different
types of quarterback. You have some of these mobile quarterbacks,
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which you just know we're gonna get hurt. And I mean,
I don't know, you know, Cam Newton, what's what's their
plan in case he's not right next year. But also
you got the older quarterback like look Drew Brees and uh,
you know Tom Brady and of course Philip Rivers, Like
those guys are not Ben Rothinsburg's not Spring Chicken. And
if you look at their production at the end of
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the season, it really Wayne Breeze, all three of them
really was not They were not great in terms of
arm strength and numbers and production at the end of
the season. That seems like a market that people haven't
talked about outside the league, but inside the league a
lot of discussion, not only the free agent movement or
with regards to that that, but the raft movement. Does New
Orleans get a first round quarterback this year? Does does
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Los Angeles try to get a first round quarterback to
to have Philip Rivers air apparent? And you know, everyone
talks about the Kansas City model with Dave Getleman drafting
their apparents at Eli Manning, but's Haskins or whatever. But
I think that there are a handful of teams and
I'd be looking at that sort of thing. You know,
where does Tyrod Taylor go? I mean, you just there
there are so many sort of sea plus quarterbacks floating around. Um,
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you know, did do the Redskins still draft the quarterbacks?
Isn't they have case Keenum. I think that there are
so many questions at quarterback and I'm really fascinated to
see how that market shakes out, whether or not. I mean,
if Nick Foles really gets nineteen million dollars from the Jaguars,
which is you know, kind of the hot room or
the upper end of what he could get, I just
don't know how savvy of the team building move that is.
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I think there are so many quarterbacks who are at
the Nick Foles level who are available for less that
I don't know why you're over giving nine million dollars
more than Nick Foles than you would you know, I
would take Teddy Bridgewater two million, just Adam into a competition.
I mean, there's just so many options at quarterback, and
I don't think teams are approaching it rationally. Well do
you see Nick Foles, uh link ink to deal with
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Lulu Lemon Like he's the He's the envy of all
white males, right like he just dude, you got free
lu Lemon gear. That's got to be what it is? Like,
I can't see maybe they give him some money, but
he gets free product as as well. Kevin Clark joining
us from the ring Or's Doug Gotli show here on
Fox Sports Radio. UM. There is talk that the Giants
continue to bandy about the idea of trading Odell Beckham Jr.
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Once your name gets it's kind of like once you
go to the divorce attorney. Isn't it already over once
you had put his name out there for a trade. Yep.
I mean that's that's it. And it's so strange and
I don't know what the Giants are doing. I just
don't understand why NFL teams think that not having their
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best player can help you. And this is the less
ruler from Antonio Brown. If I was Heelers, I've done
everything in my power to run it back, try to
make it work. Even if he, you know, shows up
for two games in September and bails. That's better than
the biggest dead Caps in history, twenty one million dollars
and only getting a third fifth round pick in return. Okay,
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I was just given it a shot. So now the
Giants are to go through the same thing. They would
take a cap pit to not have Odell Beckham on
their team. They're throwing all these resources at Eli Manning
for some reason. I mean, the whole thing is just ludicrous.
If I'm any smart team, I am calling Dave Gentleman
over and over and over against what it takes my
call and trying to get Odell Beckham. He is unbelievable
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talent and and this is true of Brown as well.
They both worked their butt off and this idea that
they're diva receivers or whatever the label is, I don't
really see it because actions speak louder than words. Those
guys work really, really hard and there's no evidence to
the contrary, and having him in the building is better
than not having him in the building. And the approach
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the Giants will taken there's just mind boggles. I mean,
I can only tell you by Antonio Bright, like did
no show for you know, did no show the week
of practice for you know, a playing games? So like
I I and there is something to the culture is
more important. But how the Raiders said culture is more important,
and then all of a sudden they bring in Antonio Brown.
But there's there's there's got to be something there with
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Odell Beckham Jr. It's gonna be fastinating to see what
what takes place. Kevin great stuff. Go to the Bringer
check out his work. We really appreciate you joining us,
especially on Free Agency Monday. All that's Kevin Clark. Be
sure to catch live editions so the Doug Dot Leap
Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. Lerigio quote
that just popped up on Instagram from Cowherd, The Lakers
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have to consider everything in Lebron is by far and
away the one piece that could land multiple draft picks
and multiple picks. So cow Herd now talking about, Hey,
maybe trade Lebron. Here's Jeff Van Gundy when the Celtics
play the Lakers. I think in the off season they
have to rebuild this roster right and to me, it
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could be a trade, you know, for a Anthony Davis
or I think they need to explore trading Lebron for
getting as much as they can. What are you doing?
What are you doing? No, you gotta get on the
right timeline. If I could, I'm gonna say, if I
could trade him for the Clippers into cap space, which
would give me a better chance to get Durant or
Kauai Leonard, would I not do that. Okay, Lebron James
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not getting traded. Okay, you gotta put everything on this.
You can't, No, you can't. Uh, let me just help
your eyes out, Okay. In in the theoretical world, in
the imaginary world where guys value is what their value
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is and you can trade them. Sure, now, in fairness,
the Clippers would be the only possible destination, the only
possible one, the only possible one for Lebron James, in
that he's not moving from Los Angeles. He is not moving.
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I had a company once moved me across the country
then back across the country in two years, and my
wife was ready to kill me and my boss. I
can't imagine if I had everything invested in the move
like I was. Lebron James, He's not moving to New York.
We're back to Miami. Like there's just these are non starters,
they're not conversations. And then the idea that he's gonna
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the Clippers are gonna pull off that trip. First, first
of all, the Clippers actually think they're better off with
Lebron Without Lebron James. They don't actually want him. The
Clippers like, wait, we have cap space and we're gonna
get Kawhi Leonard, or we could take Lebron James for
the Lakers so they can get Khi Leonard. That makes
no sense. Additionally, Lebron signed a four year contract. He
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did so because he wanted to at least show out
at least some sort of loyalty to Magic and Polinka
and the idea of the Lakers, just the idea of business, like, hey,
you were a Laker, your brand associated with the greatest
brand in NBA history. Now we're gonna trade you to
a team with the one of the worst brands in history.
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No matter how the Clippers are a better team and
a better run organization and they have a better coach.
I'm not disputing any of that, but that's not happening.
It's a complete fantasy to think Lebron would would sign
off on that the Clippers wouldn't want him, Like, none
of this is it's not even being discussed, I mean discussed. Ryan,
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you had your hand up. I don't think that even
makes sense because isn't part of trading for cap space.
These deals happened in either a summer beforehand or the
trade deadline, because then you get expiring deals that can
be bought out, which then frees up space at the
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end of the league year when free agency starts. So
if the Clippers have cap space, who are you then
trading for to get that? You don't just go, hey,
take Lebron James so we can get thirty million dollars
in cap space in return, Well, you can get you
can buy expiring contracts at certain times. There there's there's
ways to do it. But even even better, it's not happening.
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That's what I'm saying. Why are we talking about It's
like it's like, you know, you know, Donald Trump could resign.
Donald Trump could he could resign, He could resign. You
know what he's not doing. He's not going to resign.
It is not happening. Doesn't matter what your investigations go through,
what you think he is making it through four years? Okay,
it's so rest easy's making through four years now. Could
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Lebron after next year, Let's say next year they rebuild
the roster. It's super frustrating. They don't make the play
us again next year? Next year, could they maybe to
the Clippers, But even then probably not. It's more likely
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the Lebron James retires with a year left on his
contract than it is he ever gets traded because he's
not moving his they're not moving his kids. It's not happening,
not happening. It's it's the like look with the Antonio
Brown thing, showed you that if guys don't want to move,
they're just not moving. And by the way, Lebron James
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does not believe he is the problem. The coach will go,
the players will go, and if that doesn't work, Rob
Polinka will go, and if that doesn't work, Magic Johnson
will go before Lebron James goes. Next year, it will
fall on you know, next year they have a new
team and a new coach and if it doesn't work out,
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they'll say it was a new team in a new coach. Right,
that's the way to work. And it'll be better unless
he gets hurt, it'll be better. But you know, this
trade Lebron thing, it's not that you're You're not wrong,
you're just not close to being right. Theoretical, Uh, Fantasy
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World trades are awesome on your computer. And Lebron makes
this much money and he's a star, and he can
get you this pick. He can treat like you know,
I heard Clay Travis A couple weeks ago, I roasted him.
He's like much trade for Anthony Davis because you know
what Lebron James is not doing. He's not going to
play for the ones Pelicans. He's not Anthony Davis, Hey
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and twenty nine other teams. No, no no, no, he's playing
for one team. I signed four years play for Lakers.
Will you guys? You guys figure it out. That's what
he's doing, right. They already went behind everybody's back to
get Anthony Davis. You you think, do you think Lebron
James is gonna go like, oh, I'm you don't think
Lebron James is gonna say I want to play for
the Pelicans? Like just like, what are we doing? What
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we're You're wasting your breath. You're completely wasting your breath. Well,
you know it could, it could, It could land them
a windfall of players like or not not even close
because it's never gonna happen. Oh you wanna trade me? Yeah,
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I'm not going this is how long that you wanna
trade me? It's not going like you can you know,
you sell season tickets and boxes and you forget that
the Lakers have their own network they're not selling it
on the hope of landing free agents. Now they're selling
because we're the Lakers and we get the biggest stars
and eventually we figured it out. Does he do That's
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exactly what you do. So I'm like, I'm not saying
that Jeff van Gundy is wrong, but he's definitely not
right because it's not a it's not even a possibility.
And for the first time in forever, I agree with
Mark Jackson. Mark Jacksons, like, what are you doing? Why
are you talking about something that just it's just designed
to talk about something, to talk about something that's it,
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talk about something, to talk about something. I like to
talk about things that could actually happen, right, Like Anthony
Davis could actually happen. What do they have to trade
to get Anthony Davis? Will the market be better or
worse for Anthony Davis in the offseason that you know,
I mean a Lonzo sitting out the rest of the season,
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Ingram sitting out the rest of the season. How healthy
are they and what does their you know, what what
is there future look like? How viable are they? How
valuable are they? I don't know if you guys saw this,
but Kyrie Irvan just came out and said, Hey, I
made some mistakes with the media. I kind of apologize
for it. Like Kyrie seems to kind of be figuring
it out. Where do they There's so many moving parts
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this thing. Like if you want to talk about Kyrie
or Kemba or all these other guys that could be
moving pieces, like that's cool, that's fun. That's we're talking about.
Please save your breath. You know what's not happening. The
president is not resigning and Lebron James is not being traded.
Start there. Then we can have realistic discussions. What if
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he don't do the what if it's not gonna happen
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He is a raid I gotta Chaine shirts here real
quick because I realized we're recording something digitally. Here we go,
Let's start that thing all over again. There we go.
I'm wearing my Charger sweatshirt. Man, that look bad. All right,
Let's start again. Antonio Brown is a raid a. He's
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a raider. As we told you, this was likely to
be the case. After he said l O L a buffalo,
all right, they tried to send him to Football Siberia. Instead,
they sent him to the Raiders. And what happens when
there is a huge deal is every agent, every pro player,
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former player for probe pro meaning pro for the players,
media member all says this is a new way of
doing business in the National Football League. In fact, Rainy Moss,
who of course quit on the Oakland Raiders, previously said
I'll tell you this, you're elite player in the National
Football League. I think, yes, this is the approach. This
is the page you can take out of Antonio Brown's book.
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Stay aggressive, be aggressive. In other words, don't show up
at work for weeks seventeen when your team is playing
for a playoff bid. By the way, I just want
to point out, okay, that we can say all we
want about Randy Moss, and he was an incredible talent,
but when you empower people like a Randy Moss, who
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was anti media the entire time he played in the NFL,
Kay fought the media, didn't want to didn't want to
handle the media. It doesn't matter what he was as
a player, and then you give him the power of
an out ESPN microphone. This is what happens, he might say,
Randy Moss, just keeping real, Okay, but look, the Raiders
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have empowered a guy who quit on his football team.
And if you think that this is the comp you
don't know how real estate works. Okay, how many of you.
John hasn't bought a house, as the last time he
abought a house was the last time he flew right,
which is like twenty years ago, right. Ryan Music has
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never purchased the house house dam buyers bought a house.
I know this as I've purchased seven houses in the
last twelve thirteen years. And no, I'm not some house flipper.
I'm just an idiot with real estate. But I do
know this about real estate. It's called comps. And you
don't simply take the one top level cop and go
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like there you go. Look, that's what realtors try and do,
that's what sellers try and do, and the buyer tries
to take the bottom camp. And I'm not sure if
it's the median or the mean, but basically, you take
out the top, you take out the bottom and the meat.
That's what it is. Five comps or so, same neighborhood,
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same square footage a lot. Location does in fact matter.
And what happens with comps is we get far afield
from the old real estate saying, which is, there are
three things that matter in estate, three things Ryan Music,
you familiar with those three things. I do believe I
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know those three things. They would be number one location.
Number two would in fact be location. In the last
and most important one would be location, location, location, location,
Which is what the Antonio Brown thing is about. Look,
you can tell me that it's about elite players and
pushing themselves to finally find their own destination. You can
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tell me that because Antonio Brown wouldn't go to Buffalo,
that should empower people to not want to be traded
to locations that they don't desire. And there's some truth
to that. It's why we'll get to this later. Anyone
mentioning Lebron James potentially being traded for the Lakers is
not dealing with the reality of life, which is, he
just moved to Los Angeles, his kids are enrolled in
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school here. He's not moving anywhere else because if you
trade him, he's simply not going to show up. Because
he's Lebron James. But the reason that Antonio own thing
works is location, location, location, not specific to Oakland, but
the Raiders have John Gruden who shed a bunch of salary.
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The Raiders are moving to Vegas, which will fill up
their coffers which are completely depleted now because he is
playing in Pittsburgh. An old school, traditional organization that has
is done. They're done with the levy On Bells, done
with the Antonio Browns, done with their egos. Goodbye will
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We will bite the bullet and take one million dollars
in cap hit and just take a third and fifth
and say goodbye to you. The reason there wasn't a
big trade market for him was because there just aren't
other places that want to pay him. He wanted to
go to that had the cash base and had the cash.
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And the reason this hasn't that more often is there
aren't that many NFL teams they're gonna bite the bullet
and take a twenty one million dollar cap hit. They're
just not out there. So you can tell me this
is a cop in all football players should stand up
and stand up for themselves, like okay, good luck to you.
Antonio Brown was coming into the non guaranteed part of
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his contract, Antonio Brown was playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Antonio Brown is, in fact an elite wide receiver. The
Oakland Raiders had, in fact trade away their best wide receiver.
They did, in fact have a bunch of cap room.
They did have John Gruden who has a long term
contract where he would say, Okay, we'll take a shot
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on this guy. And oh yeah, by the way, Oakland
has a both present day and long term history of
ridiculously overpaying guys. Go back to Namdi Asmani, who they
remarkably overpaid, or Trent Brown, who they just overpaid to
be their left tackle, who they signed as a free
agent of New England. You can tell me this is
a comp and I can tell you no, it's not.
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It's an outlaw. If not for the rule, you wouldn't
have the exception. This is the exception to the rule.
And so if Rainy Moss is gonna encourage all football
players should stand up for themselves and demand where they
want to play football, good luck to you, dude, because
that ain't the way it works. I've seen idiots who
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cover the sport, like Mike Freeman tweet out at justin
Houston where's the loyalty they cut him to say fifteen
million dollars, Like, yeah, but they didn't cut him when
he had guaranteed money as contract and he played five
games and made twenty three million dollars in two thousand sixteen.
It's not loyalty. It's a business. Football teams are running
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a business. There's a certain amount of cat money you
can spend. There's a certain amount of cash that you have.
You don't rob Peter to pay Paul or actually, this
is what you do. You rob Peter to pay Paul. Right,
you can't rob Peter and you can't put in your
It's like NFL GM saves money on justin Houston. Right,
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they say fifteen million dollars. It's not like you said
there and go like, oh, we say fifteen million dollars.
Let's all stuff our pockets with cash. Let's throw a
super sweet party, fellas. Let's go down to the Monarch
Bay Resort data point. Let's go crazy. Right, let's go
down to that little day spa that got Robert Craft
in trouble. Everybody get themselves up massage like any The
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way it works, you got a certain amount of money
you can spend and the Raiders are sitting there going like, Hey,
here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna clear up a
bunch of this cap space. Now we're gonna pay a
bunch of money to a receiver. We got a bunch
of money in the quarterback, and a bunch of money
and left tackle, and then we have a bunch of
draft picks, and we're gonna probably draft all defense. With
the draft picks, they had no more cash left to
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spend on Antonio Brown. Why Because it's a business. This
is the way businesses are run. And in business, occasionally
you overpay for something that wasn't previously yours. Happens to
my business, happens your business. You want to steal the
guy away like Trent Brown, you gotta over pay him.
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Which also makes the Antonio Brown thing a little bit
curious because they didn't actually have to overpay him, Like
where was he going to go? But it's front load
of deal, thirty million dollars in guarantee for two years
they'll be super productive. But I don't believe it completely
changed the landscape of wide receivers or of the NFL.
With star players demanding where they're gonna play next year.
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It's an outlier. It's an exception. The rule is generally,
you make it work. Signed a long term deal, probably
a little bit less to stay home than it is
to go out on the free agent market. And if
they really want to keep you, the franchise tag you,
which they can do for two years before they put
the transitional tag on. Al Right, everybody thought Kirk Cousins
changed the game, Right, Kirk Cousinal. Kirk Cousins changed the
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game fully guaranteed contract. Antonio Brown just signed a contract.
It is a new deal. There is thirty million dollars
in new money, which, by the way, was what he
was going to make if he stayed in Pittsburgh for
two years. It's just guaranteed. That's all it is, which
is what he said he demanded and what he actually got.
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But have you has seen another quarterback sign a Kirk
Cousins contract. Here's the point about Kirk Cousins. And look,
I'm the defender of Kirk Cousins contract. For the Minnesota
Vikings perspective, there weren't better options out there, they didn't
actually exist, and he wasn't actually the highest bidder. But
so far has the Kirk Cousins deal worked out for
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the Vikings, that would be uh no, which is why
nobody's gonna say, hey, let's top the Kirk Cousins deal,
which is a lot like when Namdi osmo I signed
with the Raiders for sixteen million dollars to play cornerback.
Did that work out? No, which is why it's not
a comp It's an outlier deal, which is what the
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Antonio Brown deal is as well. Now, I will defend
John Gridden from this perspective, who's better Marie Cooper or
Antonio Brown? It ain't close. There isn't a single person
in a front office in the national football leage that
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would tell you Mary Cooper is even in the class
of Antonio Brown. Now, he's not a pain in the
ass like Antonio Brown. He didn't die as mustache yellow. Okay,
he didn't have the hair going crazy, he doesn't no
show on his team weeks seventeen. All of that is fair.
But I'm talking about lining up on a Sunday out wide,
who would you rather have Antonio Brown or Marie Cooper?
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Come on? Really? Right? Not not not even a cop.
They're not even the same discussion. Mary Cooper is a
nice player who they would have been on the hook
to pay fourteen million dollars or had to renegotiate a
long term deal with. So John Gruden to all the
naysayers are trying to we all dount, No, he's not.
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He's getting rid of the guys he doesn't want and
bringing in the guys he does and then he's gonna
readload the defense, including defensive end, with the first round
draft picks that he has five for the next two years.
I don't love the message the Antonio Brown things says.
I think it goes counter to what Mike Mayock said
at the NFL combine. We're trying to change the culture.
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Really that changes the culture for the worst. But as
football players, they got better at left tackle, they got
better at wide receiver. They're gonna and while they may
not get a Khalil Mack in the draft, overall they're
gonna be much better off because they're gonna have a
Schmorgess Bourg of young players run around on the defensive
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side of the football, and they've been a bad defense
for years, even when they went to the playoffs, even
when they had clear mac But please stop telling me
that this eception is the rule. It is the exception,
not the rule. Be sure to catch live editions of
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because somebody else says you have to have on. We
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I think the world of his work. That's why he
joins us here on a huge day in the nash
Football League, first free agency Monday, and there's Antonio Brown
to talk about. There's Trent Brown to talk about, not related,
but both on the same football team now with the
Oakland Raiders, and he joins us on the Doug Gottlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's start with Antonio Brown.
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Every agent, especially Drew Rosenhaus, is gonna say say wide
receivers can get paid and star players can dictate terms
on where they're gonna go. Is this an outlier or
is this going to become more the norm in the
National Football League. It's going to be an outlier, Doug,
because I just don't think there's there's many situations like this.
And by the way Antonio Brown did all this, there's
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he's one of the five most talented wide receivers in
football and there were still only one team that wanted
to give him the money he was seeking. It wasn't
like he had a ton of options here. So if
the Raiders didn't exist, this whole path is just completely different.
And so I just feel like the better solution for
a player like Antonio Brown going forward is to not
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sign an extension, wait out the franchise tag. You know,
obviously he couldn't do that at this point, but I
feel like there are better paths than the path that
he ended up going on. Obviously worked out for him,
but there's probably only five, six seven guys in the
entire league where this path would work out for He
just happens to be really talented, and I think that,
you know, there are a lot of guys who can
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kind of be head cases, but not all of them
are going to the Hall of Fame. That's the exception
with Antonio Brown and that's why this is so important.
That's why I worked out for him. Yeah, and it
is a little bit of the Raiders kind of doing
the same Raider thing all over again, right, like not
be awesome. Why they gave a ton of money to
that didn't work out? Um, and you know last year
the Khalil Mack thing. I thought it made sense for
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the two first round picks and not to pay that contract.
But some of the discussion over what they were gonna
pay was based upon, hey, we're just we're cash poor.
And then you turn around and say, well we're you know,
you put it out there that their cash poor for
Levy on Bell when you just went out and spent
a bunch of cash on Antonio Brown and Trent Brown.
Like this is kind of the Raiders being the Raiders,
is it on? Yeah? And I just people are saying
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that this was some sort of plan to get rid
of Mac and get rid of Cooper, you know, clear
the cap and bring somebody like Brownie. And Brown is
thirty one years old. Brown is a win now kind
of thing. He's the same age that Randy Moss was
when he went to New England. And obviously Randy Moss
had an immediate impact. So if you're getting rid of
all of those guys because you're building for Vegas or whatever,
I don't know if Antonio makes sense. I think it's
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it's sort of a it's more of a win now
move and we're thinking, I guess, and so yeah, this
is just the Raiders being the Raiders. If they really
can't afford leave you on Bell, that's a shame because
I feel like there's a lot of cap space and
there's a lot of the path to competing now if
they had those skill guys around there. I mean, I
think that the Trent Brown is a huge over pay,
but I you know, I see what they're doing there. Um,
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it's just I don't know if there's a plan right
now in Oakland. And if I'm a Raiders fan, I'm
excited that. You know, they're obviously not in full tank mode,
which they may have been this time last year, but
they're certainly not ready to compete in twenty nineteen. So
if if their plan is Levan uh, Antonio Brown, Trent Brown,
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and then use all those draft picks for defense, do
you then like Jon Gruden's plan maybe? I mean you
have to remember that Colton Miller there um, their their
first round pick last year was one of the worst
players by grade in the entire NFL last year, and
that was the first first round pick. He's the guy
that is probably gonna move to the right side with
Trent Brown coming in. And so it comes down to
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what John grew to Mike Math. Don't do with those picks, um,
if they hit and if they have the you know,
almost like Chris Baller did last year in Annapolis, they
get a couple of all pros. Yeah, I like the plan,
But I mean if the plan is just to overpay
a bunch of veterans and not have anything behind them,
I don't like the plan. Um. I just I have
to see more from this entire rebuild to understand if
I like what's going on in Oakland. Because all of
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their decisions last year were so mind boggling, they have
a lot of work to do to make up that.
That's sort of good will. Can you help me out
with paying Landing Collins as much money as the Redskin instead? Yeah?
Simple math. If there's a billion dollars in cap space
and there's what ken twelve fifteen guys on the market,
where worth actual money? I mean, these guys, this is it.
I mean, this is what we've been talking about with
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player labor for five years. Now, get to free agency
and get paid. This is the lesson that Kirk Cousins
taught the NFL, and not enough guys learned this. This
is the lesson and Dominican Sue taught the NFL. Just
get free agency and you will make a ton of money.
There are desperate teams with tons of cap room to spend,
and they will spend it. It is going to be
a ludicrous free agency period. Wellandon Collins is a box safety.
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He does not make sense in the modern NFL. It
is much better to have and you know, obviously they
can't get them. But someone like a Derwin James was
ultra athletic who can cover everything in the field. There
are a lot of guys who are better fits for
a twenty nineteen football team Landon Collins. Landon Collins has
one advantage. He's available right now and there's a lot
of cash to spend right now. Good for him, Good
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for him. But I don't I don't get it for
the Redskins. But but but again, Redskins, where have I
heard this before? Redskins spending a ton of money on
the free agent market. Oh, that's right. Every offseason for
the last twenty years, the Redskins do this. Uh. And
the Raiders, Yes, and the Raiders write Raiders doing Raider things,
Redskins doing Redskins things. Okay, So what about Levan Bell.
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What do you think the actual market is for I
think it should be high, because I I think that
I'm not saying you go out and give them fifty
million dollars. I don't know why you don't frontload if
you're apparently they're not going to do this unless it's
to the discount. But if you're the Indianapolis Colts and
you have a hundred and seven million dollars in cap space,
why aren't you spending that to just front load a
deal to Levian Bell. Having Levian Bell is better than
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not having them, and you know, kind of letting that
cap space roll over again. I don't think it's worth it.
He will probably end up, if if the reports are
to be believe, somewhere like the Jets, somewhere like um
Baltimore where there is in need. But I just don't
understand why there are so many teams with over sixty
million dollars in cap space. Weren't gonna say, you know what,
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why don't we give Levian Bell thirty million dollars? Give
them twenty million dollars in the first year we had
the cap space. It doesn't matter. Let's just have talent.
I don't under I feel like we've gotten too far
in some of these teams never wanted to spend in
free agency, and I just feel like there are values
with someone like Levian Bell. I think he will get
overpaid by a team like the Jets or a desperate
But if I was a smart team, I go out
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and and try to get leveyon Bell type. You know,
it's a really interesting market that I haven't seen discussed,
but I've talked to the NFL people that they think
is going to be a hot market. Is the backup
quarterback market? Right yet, Let's see what happens with Tanny
Hill if he gets released. Uh, Teddy Bridgewater obviously is
fawn upon and you have so you have two different
types of quarterback. You have some of these mobile quarterbacks,
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which you just know we're gonna get hurt. And I mean,
I don't know, you know, Cam Newton, what's what's their
plan in case he's not right next year. But also
you got the older quarterback like look Drew Brees and uh,
you know Tom Brady and of course Philip Rivers, Like
those guys are not Ben Rothinsburg's not Spring Chicken. And
if you look at their production at the end of
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the season, it really Wayne Breeze, all three of them
really was not They were not great in terms of
arm strength and numbers and production at the end of
the season. That seems like a market that people haven't
talked about outside the league, but inside the league a
lot of discussion, not only the free agent movement or
with regards to that that, but the raft movement. Does New
Orleans get a first round quarterback this year? Does does
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Los Angeles try to get a first round quarterback to
to have Philip Rivers air apparent? And you know, everyone
talks about the Kansas City model with Dave Getleman drafting
their apparents at Eli Manning, but's Haskins or whatever. But
I think that there are a handful of teams and
I'd be looking at that sort of thing. You know,
where does Tyrod Taylor go? I mean, you just there
there are so many sort of sea plus quarterbacks floating around. Um,
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you know, did do the Redskins still draft the quarterbacks?
Isn't they have case Keenum. I think that there are
so many questions at quarterback and I'm really fascinated to
see how that market shakes out, whether or not. I mean,
if Nick Foles really gets nineteen million dollars from the Jaguars,
which is you know, kind of the hot room or
the upper end of what he could get, I just
don't know how savvy of the team building move that is.
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I think there are so many quarterbacks who are at
the Nick Foles level who are available for less that
I don't know why you're over giving nine million dollars
more than Nick Foles than you would you know, I
would take Teddy Bridgewater two million, just Adam into a competition.
I mean, there's just so many options at quarterback, and
I don't think teams are approaching it rationally. Well do
you see Nick Foles, uh link ink to deal with
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Lulu Lemon Like he's the He's the envy of all
white males, right like he just dude, you got free
lu Lemon gear. That's got to be what it is? Like,
I can't see maybe they give him some money, but
he gets free product as as well. Kevin Clark joining
us from the ring Or's Doug Gotli show here on
Fox Sports Radio. UM. There is talk that the Giants
continue to bandy about the idea of trading Odell Beckham Jr.
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Once your name gets it's kind of like once you
go to the divorce attorney. Isn't it already over once
you had put his name out there for a trade. Yep.
I mean that's that's it. And it's so strange and
I don't know what the Giants are doing. I just
don't understand why NFL teams think that not having their
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best player can help you. And this is the less
ruler from Antonio Brown. If I was Heelers, I've done
everything in my power to run it back, try to
make it work. Even if he, you know, shows up
for two games in September and bails. That's better than
the biggest dead Caps in history, twenty one million dollars
and only getting a third fifth round pick in return. Okay,
(23:15):
I was just given it a shot. So now the
Giants are to go through the same thing. They would
take a cap pit to not have Odell Beckham on
their team. They're throwing all these resources at Eli Manning
for some reason. I mean, the whole thing is just ludicrous.
If I'm any smart team, I am calling Dave Gentleman
over and over and over against what it takes my
call and trying to get Odell Beckham. He is unbelievable
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talent and and this is true of Brown as well.
They both worked their butt off and this idea that
they're diva receivers or whatever the label is, I don't
really see it because actions speak louder than words. Those
guys work really, really hard and there's no evidence to
the contrary, and having him in the building is better
than not having him in the building. And the approach
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the Giants will taken there's just mind boggles. I mean,
I can only tell you by Antonio Bright, like did
no show for you know, did no show the week
of practice for you know, a playing games? So like
I I and there is something to the culture is
more important. But how the Raiders said culture is more important,
and then all of a sudden they bring in Antonio Brown.
But there's there's there's got to be something there with
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Odell Beckham Jr. It's gonna be fastinating to see what
what takes place. Kevin great stuff. Go to the Bringer
check out his work. We really appreciate you joining us,
especially on Free Agency Monday. All that's Kevin Clark. Be
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Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. Lerigio quote
that just popped up on Instagram from Cowherd, The Lakers
(24:44):
have to consider everything in Lebron is by far and
away the one piece that could land multiple draft picks
and multiple picks. So cow Herd now talking about, Hey,
maybe trade Lebron. Here's Jeff Van Gundy when the Celtics
play the Lakers. I think in the off season they
have to rebuild this roster right and to me, it
(25:05):
could be a trade, you know, for a Anthony Davis
or I think they need to explore trading Lebron for
getting as much as they can. What are you doing?
What are you doing? No, you gotta get on the
right timeline. If I could, I'm gonna say, if I
could trade him for the Clippers into cap space, which
would give me a better chance to get Durant or
Kauai Leonard, would I not do that. Okay, Lebron James
(25:28):
not getting traded. Okay, you gotta put everything on this.
You can't, No, you can't. Uh, let me just help
your eyes out, Okay. In in the theoretical world, in
the imaginary world where guys value is what their value
(25:49):
is and you can trade them. Sure, now, in fairness,
the Clippers would be the only possible destination, the only
possible one, the only possible one for Lebron James, in
that he's not moving from Los Angeles. He is not moving.
(26:12):
I had a company once moved me across the country
then back across the country in two years, and my
wife was ready to kill me and my boss. I
can't imagine if I had everything invested in the move
like I was. Lebron James, He's not moving to New York.
We're back to Miami. Like there's just these are non starters,
they're not conversations. And then the idea that he's gonna
(26:34):
the Clippers are gonna pull off that trip. First, first
of all, the Clippers actually think they're better off with
Lebron Without Lebron James. They don't actually want him. The
Clippers like, wait, we have cap space and we're gonna
get Kawhi Leonard, or we could take Lebron James for
the Lakers so they can get Khi Leonard. That makes
no sense. Additionally, Lebron signed a four year contract. He
(26:57):
did so because he wanted to at least show out
at least some sort of loyalty to Magic and Polinka
and the idea of the Lakers, just the idea of business, like, hey,
you were a Laker, your brand associated with the greatest
brand in NBA history. Now we're gonna trade you to
a team with the one of the worst brands in history.
(27:19):
No matter how the Clippers are a better team and
a better run organization and they have a better coach.
I'm not disputing any of that, but that's not happening.
It's a complete fantasy to think Lebron would would sign
off on that the Clippers wouldn't want him, Like, none
of this is it's not even being discussed, I mean discussed. Ryan,
(27:46):
you had your hand up. I don't think that even
makes sense because isn't part of trading for cap space.
These deals happened in either a summer beforehand or the
trade deadline, because then you get expiring deals that can
be bought out, which then frees up space at the
(28:08):
end of the league year when free agency starts. So
if the Clippers have cap space, who are you then
trading for to get that? You don't just go, hey,
take Lebron James so we can get thirty million dollars
in cap space in return, Well, you can get you
can buy expiring contracts at certain times. There there's there's
ways to do it. But even even better, it's not happening.
(28:29):
That's what I'm saying. Why are we talking about It's
like it's like, you know, you know, Donald Trump could resign.
Donald Trump could he could resign, He could resign. You
know what he's not doing. He's not going to resign.
It is not happening. Doesn't matter what your investigations go through,
what you think he is making it through four years? Okay,
it's so rest easy's making through four years now. Could
(28:52):
Lebron after next year, Let's say next year they rebuild
the roster. It's super frustrating. They don't make the play
us again next year? Next year, could they maybe to
the Clippers, But even then probably not. It's more likely
(29:12):
the Lebron James retires with a year left on his
contract than it is he ever gets traded because he's
not moving his they're not moving his kids. It's not happening,
not happening. It's it's the like look with the Antonio
Brown thing, showed you that if guys don't want to move,
they're just not moving. And by the way, Lebron James
(29:35):
does not believe he is the problem. The coach will go,
the players will go, and if that doesn't work, Rob
Polinka will go, and if that doesn't work, Magic Johnson
will go before Lebron James goes. Next year, it will
fall on you know, next year they have a new
team and a new coach and if it doesn't work out,
(29:58):
they'll say it was a new team in a new coach. Right,
that's the way to work. And it'll be better unless
he gets hurt, it'll be better. But you know, this
trade Lebron thing, it's not that you're You're not wrong,
you're just not close to being right. Theoretical, Uh, Fantasy
(30:25):
World trades are awesome on your computer. And Lebron makes
this much money and he's a star, and he can
get you this pick. He can treat like you know,
I heard Clay Travis A couple weeks ago, I roasted him.
He's like much trade for Anthony Davis because you know
what Lebron James is not doing. He's not going to
play for the ones Pelicans. He's not Anthony Davis, Hey
(30:45):
and twenty nine other teams. No, no no, no, he's playing
for one team. I signed four years play for Lakers.
Will you guys? You guys figure it out. That's what
he's doing, right. They already went behind everybody's back to
get Anthony Davis. You you think, do you think Lebron
James is gonna go like, oh, I'm you don't think
Lebron James is gonna say I want to play for
the Pelicans? Like just like, what are we doing? What
(31:07):
we're You're wasting your breath. You're completely wasting your breath. Well,
you know it could, it could, It could land them
a windfall of players like or not not even close
because it's never gonna happen. Oh you wanna trade me? Yeah,
(31:28):
I'm not going this is how long that you wanna
trade me? It's not going like you can you know,
you sell season tickets and boxes and you forget that
the Lakers have their own network they're not selling it
on the hope of landing free agents. Now they're selling
because we're the Lakers and we get the biggest stars
and eventually we figured it out. Does he do That's
(31:49):
exactly what you do. So I'm like, I'm not saying
that Jeff van Gundy is wrong, but he's definitely not
right because it's not a it's not even a possibility.
And for the first time in forever, I agree with
Mark Jackson. Mark Jacksons, like, what are you doing? Why
are you talking about something that just it's just designed
to talk about something, to talk about something that's it,
(32:13):
talk about something, to talk about something. I like to
talk about things that could actually happen, right, Like Anthony
Davis could actually happen. What do they have to trade
to get Anthony Davis? Will the market be better or
worse for Anthony Davis in the offseason that you know,
I mean a Lonzo sitting out the rest of the season,
(32:35):
Ingram sitting out the rest of the season. How healthy
are they and what does their you know, what what
is there future look like? How viable are they? How
valuable are they? I don't know if you guys saw this,
but Kyrie Irvan just came out and said, Hey, I
made some mistakes with the media. I kind of apologize
for it. Like Kyrie seems to kind of be figuring
it out. Where do they There's so many moving parts
(32:57):
this thing. Like if you want to talk about Kyrie
or Kemba or all these other guys that could be
moving pieces, like that's cool, that's fun. That's we're talking about.
Please save your breath. You know what's not happening. The
president is not resigning and Lebron James is not being traded.
Start there. Then we can have realistic discussions. What if
(33:19):
he don't do the what if it's not gonna happen
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