Day #2 of March Madness

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Uh you see Irvine or two people who have never

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been to southern California, cal Irvine. No one calls the
cow Vine in southern California, but you see Irvine taking
on Kansas State. That game tied at the half and
Texas Tech up ten with four thirty three to go.
Against Northern Kentucky, which is a relative location. Where are
you located, Northern Kentucky. There is an airport in Northern Kentucky.

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It's actually Cincinnati's airport. Nonetheless. Um, a bunch of things
to get to. Aaron Torres college basketbriter for the Athletic
He's also a Fox Sport radio host. He'll join us
in about fifteen minutes. We'll get his take on the
games of last night, the games of today, the dominance
of the Big Ten, the destruction of the Big East,

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and at least one what felt like weird firing in
the SEC today is Bryce Drew, who too, It's one
thing to fire Bryce Drew, it's another thing to fire
Bryce Drew during the first round the n c A tournament,
which is famous for Bryce Drew anyway, Um, that was

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twenty one years ago. Today he hit the game winner
against Old Miss who just got shut locked by Oklahoma. Man,
did they get slacked by Oklahoma? Lamb based it and
jerich Over hits the three and Texas Tech is up
forty seven to thirty four. Um, there's a lot of

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things to get to from last night, but I think
the most pertinent is this sense that Aaron Henry, who's
a freshman wing for Michigan State, was somehow verbally assaulted
or abused by legendary head coach Tom Izzo. And I'm
supposed to have some super super hot, scalding take on

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how Tom is oh stepped over the line because he
yelled at his player and then he stood up and
yelled at him again, and he was very close to him. Now, look,
I get that times have changed, um in many ways.
I get that. I understand that, but they haven't changed

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so much that we're moving the line. I thought, honestly, Ryan,
you had the best line ever ever that I've ever heard,
which is Ryan Music is, uh, he's fourteen years old,
just turned fifteen, duck just turned fifteen. Uh, good times,
good times, dude, good times. Anyway, Ryan Music, I think

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I think what you said was, Hey, I grew up.
What was it I grew up, you know, thinking I
was liberal, and now all of a sudden I read
social media and I feel like the most conservative guy ever.
Right basically, yes, we'll not go ahead. You can give
me whatever the line was. Yeah, No, I mean that
was pretty much. It is just we live in a
day and age now where Um, you know, being who

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I am, where I grew up, how I grew up,
always looked at myself and thought of myself as someone
who's fairly liberal. And now the way people react and
the general Twitter consensus of things definitely makes you feel
like you're now some hyper right wing conservative. Yeah, um,

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I don't believe like there there are some people that believe, like, listen,
you are, Um, you know, you're a Democrat until you
make money and you get older than you be become
a Republican. Like No, I don't think so. I just
think it's we just keep kind of moving the line
on social social media and social justice to it or
just the point of being ridiculous. And I and I

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don't think this is this is only a part of
basketball culture. That's what you're here from. People. Well, it's
just basket old basketball culture. We were coached this way,
so we think it's okay. Like, look, I was actually
coached both ways. My first college coach is the man
named John McCloud of coach eighteen years in the NBA.
He I think only twice, only twice raised his voice

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above speaking level. That's it. Only twice, um, And it
just didn't work for college kids, and we had smart guys,
we had tough guys. We had soft guys at Notre Dame,
and we weren't that good. And that's part of it. Um.

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But there's something about being eight where you're just um,
something about being a guy where there there is a
little bit of fear needed, there is a little bit
of of yelling needed, of getting in somebody's face in
order to motivate them. You can't do it to everybody.

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You have to know who you're doing it too. But
you do it to enough people, you do it enough times,
by the way text texts openly, and you do it
to the right peep person at the right time, you
get the right amount of motivation. Let me draw a
parallel for you. I read this study and I was

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I quoted to Ryan. I read it before we started
the show, which is twenty years ago, ten percent of
Yale students had an A or B average like hi,
B or higher two three point three, three oh or higher.

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Now it's over. And what we've done is we created
this artificial world where even when you mess up like
that's okay, just say you did wrong and you go
about your business. Here's Tom isoh on what happened yesterday?
When you're a freshman now at this time a year,
you don't make mental mistakes on things that when we're

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telling a guy which way he goes, or not running back,
or you know, there are some things. Aaron didn't do
a very good job, and then I did get after
him and he did respond, and he did make a
couple of big buckets, and he didn't make some big
free throws. But that's not good enough. This is one
and done. Time. You know, the my bads are out
the window. If they're my bads because that team played better,
that guy played better. If it's my bad because I

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decided to jog back instead of sprint back, then it
is you're bad and you're gonna hear about it. I
get a kick out of you guys get after somebody
because you're trying to hold them accountable. I don't know
what kind of business y're in, but I'll tell you what.
If I was ahead of a newspaper and you didn't
do your job, you'd be held accountable. That's the way
it is. Michigan State has something they call non negotiables.

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Three things, run, rebound, defend, not negotiable, like you take
a shot, we can hell. You know you see something
in the past, It's like, okay, we can, we can
discuss it. Run, rebound, defend Now. This isn't just because
they win. And look, John b. Line, though he gets
after guys, he's not nearly as vociferous. On the other hand,

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he does recruit different kids and does coach differently. But
the idea of holding a guy accountable and oh yeah,
by the way, here's the big thing for me. Like, look,
I played Freddy Sutton and his thing was he would
get after you. Never cursed. He I never heard him curse,
not once, and and and and some of my actions

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could bring any man to curse. And when they're coaching me,
he never cursed, but he would get Indian now, and
there was a little bit of healthy fear. We like
he was. He was in his early sixties then, and
I I'm almost positive all of us could have taken him,
but none of us would have taken a shot. Right,
it's just as one of his like healthy fear fears

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a is a is a little bit healthy. Again, you
don't want it to be so scared you can't be yourself.
But when people jump up in you get up India,
and motivate you and call you on things to which
you're gonna try and duck and dodge out of. We

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should be encouraging more of this. We know what the
line is. We absolute lutely positively know the line, right,
and even touching a kid, which guys freak out about,
and he didn't. And I've seen Mike Montgomery do it.
I've seen fran McCaffrey do it, even just grabbing a
guy and going, hey, wake up. I'll give you an example,

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two examples real quick. So what night is this? This
is uh, this is Saturday? Huh, Friday is Friday? Right,
So Wednesday I coached a baseball game, and I'm the
assistant coach. But I've coached at this level of baseball
for two different seasons to fall in a spring season

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as well. So the coach who's the dad, the head
coach who's another who's a dad like, calls on me
because they hadn't played real baseball before, right with leadoffs,
with drop third strikes and all this other stuff. And
it's pretty cool to to have somebody go like, hey,
what should we be doing here? But I don't I
I usually coach first base. In this particular case, I had,

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I was sitting on the bucket and I was just
kind of overseeing the whole thing and yelling out stuff
to help everybody out. And it was fun to be
like the massive overseer. The head coach is at third base.
His name's Calvin, great dude, lawyer. His son's name is Trent.
Trent's a nice kid. He's a year younger. Uh, you're
a great earlier than my kid. He's a good little

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ball player. So he comes around third to score and
a throw is coming at the plate and his dad
is yelling get down, get down, and he doesn't, and
he steps on home plate and he slips a little bit,
kind of hurts himself. So I asked him, I said, Trent,
did you hear your dad? No? No? And he said
and then and and coach, the plate was slippery. I

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was like, well, your dad said slide, because anytime there's
a play at the plate, you have to slide, and
the plate being slippery, that's another reason that you slide.
In addition to the fact that you could be called
out if there's a play at the plate. That's kind
of the rules of the league. We plan, and I
think it's the rules of most most parts of baseball. Um.

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The idea is, if you step on home plate and
you're gonna slip, so oh yeah, by the way, if
you can slide, make sure you get the plate and
then even after you did touch it again. But the
point was that even though his own father, who has
not a lot of voice as I do, but as
a lot of voices yelling get down, get down, slide

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and he doesn't do it. And his thing was like
I didn't I didn't hear him, and he's nine, and
who knows what was going through his mind. I think
what's going through his mind was, Man, that plant with
plate was literal, really slipper. And I gotta play fortnite
tonight and I hope the baseball doesn't hit me and
I might have to go to the bathroom, like all
of these things. Sometimes, just as guys, the way we're wired,

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we need somebody to put our hands on our shoulders
and go, hey, anytime you come home, you slide. Last night,
I was coaching my son basketball. It's got an all
star team. I run practice. He wasn't listening. It's being disrespectful.
Rolled his eyes when I asked to go through something
he thought he knew, kicked him out of practice, took
him outside, yelled at him, not about anything other than

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his attitude and paying attention and working hard. Look, it
doesn't mean it's the only way, and doesn't mean that
you always have to bring your voice to a hundred
hundred decibels. You don't just getting kids face and scream
at them every time. And there are coaches that have
been successful speaking just like this, making eye contact to

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a guy. But if you're gonna, if we're gonna take away,
is Oo's personality? Is Oo's energy, is those passion When
he was right, it's what he told the kids parents.
He would do what he told the kid he would do,
And he's simply holding a kid accountable when it's not personal,

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it's only about effort. It's about and if you can
play hard during every moment of a basketball game, there's
nothing you can't do in life. Like what are we doing?
We're creating this artificial atmosphere where everything is just perfect
and if you mess up, it's okay, you'll do better.
Sometimes we don't have time to stop and make sure

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Johnny's okay. With the lesson that's being taught. Sometimes it's
okay to yell at your children. Sometimes okay to allow
your kids to be coached. All right, we got a
ton more to get to here. In the doug Otlip Show,
Aaron Torre is gonna be my guest. He knows everything
going on in college basketball. Um, most of us who
know college hoop knew John Morant, but I guess because

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he was so incredible yesterday, there's now this discussion. Hey,
instead of r J Barrett or Zion Williamson, what about
John Morant or Zion Williamson? John Morants as six five
point guard, isn't that more valuable than a six ft
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M Aaron Torres a college basketball inside. He's also a

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host here at Fox Sports Radio. Check him out Len
be An eastern time, eight o'clock Pacific every Saturday night.
He filled in for me earlier this week. I was
driving around listening to the show after I did mind
because I filled in for a Cowherd and he's outstanding.
Um And they were doing so next week with Dan
byery thing next Friday, Right next Friday, during coverage of
the Sweet sixteen leading up to the Elite eight. So anyway, uh,

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Eron Torres joined us here on the Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Just like we called it, Big
Ten is awesome, right, Oh yeah, First of all, I
had a blast filling in for you. I mean, you know,
I know America wants you in that seat, Doug, but
I was telling you a producer. I didn't realize how
upset I was with Levy on Bell's interview with s

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I until I was actually in that seat and talking
about it. So, uh, it was a fun show. I
appreciate you let me fill in for you. But yeah,
big times amazing. I mean, you know, we spent all weekend.
You know, I went on with our buddy Clay Travis
first thing on Monday morning, and we were whining about
Tennessee having a play Cincinnati or Cincinnati in Columbus and

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Cincinnati doesn't even advance. And so we've had a lot
of those kind of weird results on the seven ten,
six eleven line. But the Big Ten, you know, I
think guys like you and I that love this sport
thought it was the deepest conference all year. Still don't
know if there's a team that can get to Minneapolis.
Still don't know if there's a team that can win
at all, but early on they do look awfully good. Yeah,

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I would agree, Like it's a lot like like the
Big twelve of last year, right, we're like, I don't
know if you anybody Glenning Kand's obviously got to the
final four, but I don't think that there's anyone but
but but like you know, even their worst teams, which
is you know, Penn State was oh in ten, Like
Penn State was competitive with everybody even in the nonconference. Um,

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that's that. That said, I was really impressed with Iowa's
come back, Like, here's the team that had been struggling
the last couple of weeks and to come from behind
against Cincinnati, who just won their conference tournament championship. I thought,
of of the big ten wins, Maryland's survival and ias
come from behind win and Maryland was down as well,
those are probably the two most surprising and most impressive. Yeah.

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I don't really disagree with that, And I think this
is what makes the tournament so crazy, right because you
try to look for trends. Who's hot, who's cold, um,
who maybe took a bad loss? You know, I was
convinced today Texas Tech. You and I both know Chris Beard.
That's a guy that they lost in their Big twelve opener,
and oh and they are gonna come out ready to go,

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and they really didn't at all. And so I think
it just speaks to the why we all love the tournament, right,
I mean, there are the storylines that maybe we can
potentially predict, we can all predict, maybe John Morant going
off something like that. But then to just see these
teams that have struggled for two three weeks put it
together on a day like today, like Iowa did, like

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Baylor did last night against Syracuse. Look, this is why
we all fill out brackets. This is why Warren Buffett
offers all of us a billion dollars every year and
none of us have actually taken them up on it
with the perfect bracket. And it's exactly what it is.
Is you get a game like Iowa today, like I said,
you get Baylor last night, where you just you study
and you watch and you think you know, and then

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the next thing, you know, something crazy happens. Okay, let's
talk about John Morant. Um. I do think this is interesting.
I don't remember if you're a pay the players guy.
But I try to explain to people, I try to
explain your you are are not. I'm not you and
I are very much in a very similar camp. Yeah,
there's something. I just saw this from Pete Tamil where
he said, John Morant, he said, his uh, his I

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G followers went up from thousand, which, by the way,
that's a sign you've made it when your I G
is hopping up. Um. But but I do think what's
what's interesting, Like that's the perfect example of like, look,
all we're doing here is promoting you for your first job,
for your future job, right, Like that's that's kind of

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all this is about. It's about the bracket because that's
where they make all the money, and um and about
and about promoting all of these great stories and storylines.
And no greater, no greater evidence of that than than
John Rant who all of us basketball people knew existed
and all of a sudden now mainstream were like, hey
this John Red kids pretty good. So I guess here's

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the question, Um, are we are we to the point
where we can have the discussion. I know zion seems
to be a phenomenon, but as John Morant, the smarter
take in the upcoming NB Draft. Well, you know, I've
been in the camp, and you know I was the obviously,
like you, the very anti shut it down camp for
a number of different reasons, but one of them was

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I truly believe that God forbid that injury happens to
Zion Williamson if he came back, and we're all, you know,
knocking on wo that it doesn't happen. Like I don't
think that that even an injury would keep him from
being the number one pick in the draft. And I
think at a certain point some of the factors outside
of basketball skill come into play, like exactly what you

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were just saying, marketability, the ability to sell tickets. It's
funny I was on this early last year and it
ended up being correct. Is um. You know, the Phoenix
Suns get the number one pick, and there's all this
conversation should it be eight, and should it be Badley?
Should it be done? And I said, I'm telling you, man,
Robert Sarver, the Phoenix Suns owner, he's not sitting there

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watching basketball every night like you and I dug from
four Pacific, seven Eastern until well after midnight. But he
knows the dude at University of Arizona, and so, like,
I think stuff like that matters. I think marketability matters,
and I just think you know how the process works
right at this point. You know, a lot of casual

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fans are coming in. The scouts know these guys, some
of the gms know these guys. But I think when
the owners start getting involved a week to three weeks
a month before the draft, there's gonna be an owner
that says, Man, that John Morant guy was really fun
to watch. But if you want to take him over Zion,
that's fine, But I'm gonna be looking for a new GM.
I just think Zion has that kind of not just

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the basketball skill, but the marketability as well. I do too.
That wasn't really though my question. I'm talking from a
basketball perspective. What would you do? What would you do? Well?
I would still take Zion, But I am kind of
in the camp that, like, I don't think you know,
I'm hearing people say he's the safest bet since Lebron James. Like,
I don't buy that at all. Um. You know, obviously

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the weight thing is an issue. I know you've been
on that for a while. Uh, he does have to
up you know, not maybe not thirty, but fifteen twenty
pounds tone up because there's a difference between playing twice
a week from November to to March and playing eighty
two games, you know, three games and four nights that
kind of stuff. And look like this guy through his

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career has had a lot of nagging injuries. I mean
during his senior year of high school last year. The
reason that he dropped down some of these recruiting rankings.
You can go look up seven rivals dot com. He's
not the number one recruit in those recruiting ranking he's
not even two or three in some cases because he's
missed a lot of time with injury during his senior
year in high school. He obviously had the neat thing

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this year. He plays such kind of an aggressive physical style.
You know. The one thing I wonder with him at
the next level is is he gonna be referee differently
because look almost like a Lebron or a Shack where
he's so much bigger and stronger than a lot of people.
Are they gonna allow guys to kind of hit him
and and just do things to him that that you

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can't do to other guys. So from a basket from
a marketing perspective, obviously takes Zion. From a basketball perspective,
I would probably still take Zion, but I don't think
it's this like consensus can't miss their feral percent chance
he's the greatest prospect since Lebron, Like I have never
bought that from the beginning. No, but here would be

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my point. I'm gonna make it a little bit later
on the show. Eron Torres joining us in the Doug
Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Aaron's, a college
basketball insider and host on Fox Sports Radio, fills in
for me along with Dan Buyer. Help fill them for
me next week. You filled in from me this week.
Is the two things or two of the things that
everybody needs to build their team around. One, you need
a dominant ball handler, shot creator for people, which I

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think we both agreed John morant Is, I think probably
are J barrett Is as well in terms of what
the ceiling is. We can have that discussion as well. Um,
but you also need hybrid players and a small ball
five is ridiculously valuable. Think of how valuable Draymond Green
can't score. I don't think he'll get a max contract,
but will be a discussion about a max contract form

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if it, but his body hadn't broken down and he's
been invaluable to them. I think that's what Zion Williamson
is a better scoring version, uh at far more athletic
version of a Draymond Green. So while I agree with
the idea that that a point guard or a league
guard creates shots for others, there is something in terms
of the importance of the position that Zion will play

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at the NBA level. Yeah, No, I don't disagree, and
like I do think it's it's a good conversation to have. Like, look,
I don't think at this point before we do all
the medicals, and you know there are other guys that
cover the draft more extensively than I do, but you
know medicals are important obviously background. I think both Zion
and John Moran are going to pass with flying colors. Um.

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But I I don't like It's one of those where
I guess maybe if you had asked me before yesterday,
maybe I would have felt differently. But I don't really
feel like you can go wrong with either one. But
I just don't really see a scenario or Zion drops
past number one one because of the value he has
on the court, too because of the value he has
off of it. Like, I think it's been interesting this
conversation that has happened over the last twenty four hours.

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And look, I think it's it's a healthy conversation. And
there's a lot of people saying the value of guards
and creators has never been higher. But I'm with you.
I think between his his on court versatility and valuable
you know, his value, but then also the off the
court stuff. I mean, you just you can't not talk
about it when you're talking about Zion, And as Franf

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Chill and other people have said, you know, maybe the
first billion dollar basketball player we've had, Like, I don't
think you cannot include that into the equation as well.
I would. I would generally agree with you stop if
you've heard of this for but Virginia is struggling a
little bit there down seventeen to tend to Gardner Webb,
and I point out to people like Gardner Webb, if
you look at the metrics, they should not have been
a sixteen seed and they're playing small, spreading them out, Um,

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it would there be any recovering from Virginia losing as
a number one zeed a second consecutive year. Let's and
I have been about as critical of Tony Bennett as
anybody kind of in the national media. Like I remember
talking to a coach that has coached in Final four
is the day after the UNBC game last year, and
he was saying, Um, you know, look, they're never gonna

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win this way. And in the tournament you face so
many different teams and so many different styles and you
have to be flexible and you can't just try to
win one way. And so I was always in that camp,
and I finally, finally this year came around to the
other camp of well, DeAndre Hunter. Their best player wasn't
healthy last year, and they look a lot mentally tougher

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and blah blah blah blah blah. If they lose this game,
there will never you can. By the way, Doug, you
know this, ever U c l A fan in Los
Angeles wants Tony Bennett. What happened if he loses this game?
Does U c l A just not call him? I
don't know, but I'm just saying, like you talk about
a catastrophic, just disaster if they were to lose this game.

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I don't think there's ever an coming back from this. Aaron,
great stuff man. Really appreciate your insight and talking about it.
Thanks for filling in. We'll look forward to hearing from
you next week. Appreciate you and and this weekend as well.
Thanks for joining us. Thanks to have a good day. Alright,
let's quickly get an update. Wait to hear what's going
on with Virginia and then tournament. Here's Dan Bio. Yeah.
Caught in the web of Gardner Web are the Virginia Cavaliers,
the top seed in the South Region, trailing right now

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twenty two to twelve with nine fifty two to go
in the first half. Now, the winner of this game
will face Oklahoma coming up on Sunday, after the Sooner
is easily dispatched Old Miss to seventy two. There was
another final from earlier in the tournament. Today, Wanna drives
in the pink kicks in the corner, tweets camp up three.

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That's good. This game is tied. Iowa rallying for a
victory over Cincinnati on Westwood won seventy nine to seventy two.
So the tenth seeded Hawkeyes await the winner of the
Tennessee Colgate game. Second seeded Volunteers up on cold Gate
one to twenty four and a half minutes to go
until halftime. South Region second half play and San Jose
and it's a tight one for Kansas State. They were

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tied up with UC Irvine at the break, but the
Wildcats have separated themselves by just three. K State forty seven,
ant Eaters forty four, about eleven minutes to go until
left in that game, and nan Texas tex Is pulling
away from Northern Kentucky. You need three fourteen game Red
Raiders up seventy to fifty two with two minutes to go.
A couple of other notes to pass out of the

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Red Sox and Ace pitcher Chris Sale agreeing on a
five year extension, Ken Rosenthal saying it's worth one d
and forty five million dollars. At the Valspar Invitational second
round play, Paul Casey and Austin Cook share the lead
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but do you can't lose. They can't lose this game.

(29:09):
You can't. They're down ten again with eight to go. Um,
let's let's let's catch up with a guy who just
gotta win, come from behind win over Cincinnati. That's some Uh.
They had some rebounding issues in the first half, some
foul trouble issues in the first half, but they went
on a seven oh run hit some threes, seven of

(29:31):
ten from three, uh think seven eleven three down the
stretch and maybe more importantly for them, got some stops
and Iowa friend for friend. McCaffrey's team ends up taking
down Cincinnati in the first round in Columbus. So in
the state of Ohio beats UH beats Cincinnati joins us.
In the Doug Gallip Show on Fox Sports Radio, Fan,
I know you just got done doing medi You're still
trying to kind of catch your breath. But but but

(29:53):
what change for your team? You guys? Cut off to
a very very slow start. We did. Obviously, when you're
playing Cincinnati, the first thing you're concerned about this rebounding.
We gave up nine offensive rebounds in the first half
for eleven points. Uh not the formula for success against them.
Got down eighteen to five and started mixing some defenses

(30:15):
a little bit, and I thought showed some toughness in
that stretched Doug and got it back to a manageable
number going at halftime down five on hand and it's
just shot at the buzzer at the end of the half.
That was big, So you know, it was our ball
coming out to start in the second half. You're only
down five, you know, you got to take care of
the glass, you know, whether we're manners own And in

(30:36):
the second half, as you pointed out, we only gave
up three offensive rebounds rebound of the ball, shoot as well,
and I thought did a much better job of getting
shots for people. We established that we could we could
score inside with Luga Garza despite Tyler Cook's foul trouble.
You know, I thought he was really good when he
was in there. But I thought Garza was great. And
then our ball movement and our decisions to penetrate and kick.

(30:59):
We had some ridical freeze, you know, coming down a stretch.
I thought Luca and Connor's back to back threes were
really really important. And Joe is three at the end,
bohanon three. I mean that we made our free throws
and made the place we had to come with down
a stretch. Have you ever won a game when Bohannon
misses two free throws? I don't remember that ever happening before.

(31:19):
I don't think it's ever happened in the history or
I should say, in his lifetime. So I like he
gets valid and for people don't know the talk abou
Jordan Bohannon, who has hit more clutch shots this year
in college basketball than anybody, is an incredible free throw
shooter of coursally. His brother's well played in college and
and like he gets it frequently, Like that's in he
missed one early in the second, I have have to missed

(31:40):
one late in a second after like what is going?
What is going? He is a guy that everybody it
was crazy. Yeah, we we do everything we can to
make sure the balls in his hands in that situation.
He didn't make the one big one, which was huge.
Kyler made a big one and uh held him off
a couple of a couple of quick things. I know,
I know you're super is he? Um? I saw one

(32:01):
of the you mentioned how big that shot he hit
at the end of the first half. I wouldn't have
had an opportunity had you guys not gone too for one? Right,
We's Camp? Now, was that a call to for one?
Is that an automatic? Was that Bohanan just basketball? Like? Q?
You went to you? You shot at West Camp shot
at three like forty five seconds ago in the first half.
Was that was that you? Or was that your point guard? Uh?

(32:23):
It was funny, dog, I mean it was actually Nicholas
bare That shot was something about thirty eight feet, which
I thought was ill advised. But I asked it after
the game. I said, I'm hoping you were thinking two
for one. It's a coach, I was, so, I don't
know if he's telling me the truth, but he went
with it. Okay, um up a cup a couple of
other ones. Um, you mentioned Garza and you mentioned your

(32:45):
son like and We's Camp hit a big three there
their freshman and sophomores. Is that they don't know any better,
they don't understand there or there's something special about those
three and that they weren't bothered by playing in the
n c A tournament, that big a game. You know what,
I think, it's a It's a function of the stage
we play on all year. You played twenty games in

(33:07):
our league. Everyone's a big stage. You know. You played
every every every team has an NBA arena. We played
at the two K Classic at Madison Square Guards back
in November. We played at the Big Ten Tournament at
the United Center, so we're used to that. So those
guys don't play like freshman. I mean, I was really
proud of Connor today because he was he was thrown

(33:27):
up before the game. He had to play an I
V in him and he comes out with those two
huge assists in the second half in a gigantic three
and gave Jordan a little bit of rest. I didn't
want to have to write Jordan the whole game, which
I thought I might have to with Connor being sick,
But I mean, everybody just pitched in and that stretch
and really showed some incredible resiliency. Last thing, you mentioned

(33:48):
your your son and that he was sick and that
he had taken ivy um and I know that maybe
hasn't done one yet. What is that like, this is
the first time experience for you coaching your son, Like
during an NC, did you get any time to appreciate
eight that that's your kid hitting hit a big shot?
You know, it's it's been an unbelievable ride. Dog, I
think that's a that's a great question. You know, all

(34:08):
year long, it's a little bit of a different feeling
when he's playing in a crucial situation. And I talked
to Tuppy and John bee Line and Craig Neil, I mean,
guys that coached their son about that. What it's what's
what it's like? Uh and and and the thing about
Connor that's been impressive is he knows who are good

(34:29):
players are and he gets set on the ball. He's
he's got enough offensive game to keep everybody honest. I
guess we've made a huge three makes his free throws,
but he settles us down. He knows where everybody's supposed
to be. So the old saying like it's a coach
on the floor, it kind of is. Because he's so smart,
and you know, there's nothing better. Dog. You know, I

(34:50):
know the relationship you had with your dad when you
played for him, and I watched you play for him,
and you know, I think at times he was probably
harder on you than everyone. I mean, there's times when
I'm probably harm on Connor than anybody. But at the
end of the day, you know, I love him to
death and and I just couldn't be more proud right
now to watch him enjoy this experience with these teammates.

(35:10):
All right, Well, Big ten is currently undefeated right now,
so that that twenty game war that Jim Delaney came
up with seems to be paying dividends here during March Madness. Congratulations,
I mean, one of those undefeated teams. Go out and
scout your next opponent. And thanks for joining us, my
pleasure dog, take care of It's fran McCaffrey, head coach
of the Iowa Hawkeyes, who joined us here on the

(35:33):
Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What a win.
And this the Virginia thing is real, man, you guys
watching this. I'm watching on my TV. You're watching on
your TV and I can't see the TVs you guys
got in there. Uh, this the Virginia Gardener web thing
like I'm watching, I'm watching Chris Long's Twitter feed, He's

(35:56):
he's one beer in Okay, Gardner Webb is leading Virginia
twenty six to fourteen, eight ten left in the first half.
Oh oh wait, all right, we get to game time
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(37:01):
Show Fox Sports Radio. So Virginia is down ten points,
there's four fifteen to go, and right now you're still
if you're Virginia right right now. But if this thing
gets to where it's I don't know, a close game
with ten minutes ago, that's when that's when the natives turned.

(37:23):
That's when anyone who's watching, anyone who's in the arena
suddenly becomes a Gardener web fan. Gardner Webbs up thirty
to two on Virginia. And of course I don't think
I need to tell you, but I'll tell you anyway
that Virginia is the only one seed ever to lose
to a sixteen seed, and that was just last year.

(37:44):
By breathe, breathe, if you're a Virginia fan or if
you have a Virginia in your bracket, and and we
talked about this yesterday, does anybody have them in their bracket?
And most people's answers are now not so much, but
they're gonna turn over. And they seem to be, uh,
they seem to be handling the deficit quite well. Let's

(38:05):
get to a game. Okay, this is game time on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Dan is the game psychic. Let's
find out psychic. Yeah, there, it is all right. I
do have Virginia winning it all. So, yes, I have
Virginia winning at all buyer, but still, of course, yeah, yeah,

(38:32):
I mean it doesn't it doesn't look good. I don't.
I am not the one that necessarily believes that a
first round game is indicative of how you will play
the rest of the tournament. I don't believe that. I'm
just nervous for this game, period. Like, even if they
win by one, I'm not like, oh jeez, that stinks said,
I would be like, all right, onto the next round anyway, alright, psychic.

(38:53):
So you kind of just addressed this. But this is
gonna be the first question. How long does this Virginia
game have to go for the Calf's fans to be
worth trailing by halftime? Was it? You're trailing halftime? You're
you're pretty tight? The other number one seed in Columbia's
duke they'll play later on tonight. Will Zion can't be
a success for CBS? Is Yes, Zion cam is happening

(39:14):
tonight on CBS. Wait, so how are they doing? They
have like, yes, dedicated only to Zion Williamson. Um. No,
I do not think it'll be a success. I don't
think they'll go to it that often. Um, so, I
don't think it will be a success. If they had
like a side channel for it, that would be that
would be interesting. Are they only using it for this round?

(39:35):
These are all rounds? I'm not sure. I mean, they
could lose tonight, so I mean maybe they're just they're
they're not gonna but I think it's right now. It's
just for tonight. Of course, I was joking psychic. Who
will be the first Big Ten team to lose in
the tournament? Wiscottsin takes on Oregon this afternoon, Ohio State
against Iowa State tonight and then four games featuring Big

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ten teams tomorrow. Who will be the is what Big
Ten team to lose to night against Iowa State the
sixth seed? And quickly, psychic, what coach is going to
be a hot name for a Power Conference vacancy after
this tournament and the hot coaching names out there? Steve
prom He's an Alabama lum and Alabama just came open.

(40:18):
This is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show. These
are all the games. We'll just do it. We'll just
do like like you know how people do all the
other past lovers, right, I'll do all the coaches that
recruited be fam McCaffrey, sign Meating Notre Dame. Mark Turjon
recruited me at Oregon. He was on Jerry Green staff.
Uh And of course I was a fan of turs
growing up when he played for Ku Mark Tursian's head

(40:39):
coach in Maryland. A couple of years ago, they were
in the Sweet sixteen. Then last year they didn't make
the tournament. It has been a rough year, but they
came from behind the beat Belmont. We'll ask him what
that feeling was like going into locker room last night.
That's next in the Duck Gotlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio
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(41:25):
they cut the lead to six. They were down as
many as ten twenty seconds to go UH in Columbia
South Carolina. Gardner Webb is the latest sixteen seed to
give Virginia everything they want, everything they want, and we'll
see if Virginia can cut that lead to three or
four UH at the break. And the answer is no,

(41:48):
it's gonna be a six point lead for Gardner Webb
as Virginia goes in the locker room trailing again at
the half. Let's get to something that happened last night
where Maryland survives Belma on and UH. It's been a
wild year for Mark Tjan who's coaching one of the
youngest teams in America, and it's a Belmont team that
earlier this year Belmont beat at the last second, holding

(42:12):
the ball from the last shot down one point against
u c l A Uh. Mark. Some people call that
their panic play where it looks like they don't know
what they're doing in the the back door cut at
the last second. Did you did your staff know that
was what was coming? Yeah? Actually they ran a different play.
They have two back door plays and they, luckily for us,

(42:32):
they ran this one against Temple Um late in the
game to get a bucket and so we were able
to watch it showing on film and walked through it.
We did everything right. I think Darryl was going to
get to steal. He was, he was above and he
turned his head the right way. The deflection obviously helped us.
The only we didn't do right as our five man
was probably a little too close to his man. I
wish you'd been back more in the paint um, but

(42:55):
you know, uh, great stop for us. UH gutsy call
on their art written. The shot clock got go down
and and uh could have went either way, but we
were lucky. You've got de flection, he got to steal.
I'm glad you burning up the shot clock because again
this was and I know that was a little different
than the U c l A. In terms of the
side of the court instead of strong side was the
weak side. But it was the same situation that they

(43:16):
were down one and they could have gone right away,
right and I always thought you'd go right away so
that you know, worst case scenario. Um, if you go
right away and you don't get it, well, then you foul.
And when you foul, you still get a three point
shot if they make both free throws. Philosophically, again, and
Rick Burgs won a lot of games. This is philosophically,

(43:37):
you're a goal right away guy, or you a hold
to the last shot guy. Oh, lot of went right away.
That's that's my philosophy. But he did the same thing
versus U l A. And I watched that film. I
watched that clip. I'm like, hey, he's waiting, he's waiting.
They got to lay up. So that's what they do,
that's what they believe in. I wasn't gonna foul. You know,
up three, A lot of coaches foul. You know, everybody's
got their own philosophy. Um and uh. And he went

(44:01):
with his, and and we went with ours, and it
just worked out well for us. Um You've been telling
people other coaches in your league. I've been telling people, Hey,
I don't know if we have a national champion in
our league, but our league is incredible, is incredible. And look,
I know we can't take every result or even first

(44:21):
round results as as the law right, you know, because
you guys, if you guys lose that game, that somehow
isn't it doesn't impugne the credibility of the rest of
the Big ten. And you know, Michigan State struggled for
a little bit, etcetera. But when you see Iowa come
back and win, when you look across the board, and
I mean the Big ten has been dominant. Um, what

(44:43):
what does that show you about the twenty games schedule
that you guys had to go through. Yeah, the twenty
was a grind, There's no doubt about it. UM. I
think what made our league what it was is a
team like Illinois beat US in Michigan, State and State
beat US in Michigan. Um. The lower end, UH was

(45:04):
really good and fought. And then Nebraska finished his third
team seed I think, or twelve seed wherever they finished,
and there's because of one injury. You know, we played
him when they were healthy early in the year and
you know, squeaked out at two point win. So I
think the depth of our league has made it what
it was. It was exhausting, Doug. I'm not gonna lie
to you. We had we had a stretch. We're eight

(45:26):
out of eleven on the road. It was exhausting. I
think it caught up with us. I think our legs
are back underneath this. Our mental approach is better now.
But I'm glad guys are stepping up and getting it done.
It looks like we've all played pretty well these first games,
and I didn't realize Iowa came back in one. That's terrific.
I think we're six and o now as a league,
which is which is great. Um, Big Bruno Ferrando. I

(45:48):
tell people that they haven't seen your sophomore center Frangola
by way of I amg If I said, hey, guy
named Bruno Fernando, you would think he's kind of swab.
He's got like a like a five o'clock shadow. He's
makes a cigarette before the game. But like you've gotten him.
You know, there's he could have gone to the league
last year everyone because he's got so much upside um

(46:08):
and he has. He has done so many things which improved,
but you watch him on a daily basis at his improvement.
What are you most proud of from your sophomore center?
Rather than a lot um, I think it's his You know,
he was emotional in a bad way last year. He's
become emotional in a good way. He's become a really
good leader for our team, a really good communicator. That's

(46:29):
where I'm really proud of and that's what we really
had to work on. Because he just couldn't control it
last year and he's been able to control it this year.
But he's improved in all phases. You know, he had
trouble catching the ball last year. He catches everything. You
have to double him because he's so so dominant around
the rim. He's become a better passer. Um. He had
forced this yesterday against the double. He plays with great

(46:51):
poise and then defensively he's just really coming. And he
was in foul trouble every game last year and he's
only been in foul trouble handful of games this year.
Was first team All League Defenders. So really all areas
he's improved on. Our plan was for him to shoot
more threes when he came back, just never really materialized
for him. He did make a big three yesterday for

(47:11):
us when we were struggling, but that'should be a part
of his game as as he moves on to the
next level. Is Jalen Smith does he aware that the
other team that Belmont, they have families that are watching
that game. Um, that dunk he had yesterday, Uh, you know,
and look, I know there's more to him than the
athleticism in that dunk and the wind is far more
important than a dunk. But it was one to which

(47:34):
you go, Oh, I I almost forgot that they had
Jalen Jalen Smith for for having such a young team.
You have one of the youngest teams in call I
think fifth youngest team in college basketball. To have such
a young team, Uh, and to have a freshman like
him play as well as he played yesterday. What did
he show you? Well, that was big because you know sometimes, uh,

(47:55):
we're good when sticks is good. And what he did
yesterday as he played with a little bit of tough
us and we've been you know, we've been beating on
him after practice with pads and all kinds of things,
and he's been doing extra weight workouts and it's just
taking a long time now. He had a you know,
five inches on that kid and with his wingstanding, probably
had a foot you know on that kid yesterday. But

(48:15):
he wouldn't be denied. Uh. He was terrific. He got
going early, um, you know, and we need him to
play like that for us to you know, to win
yesterday and hopefully you don't have a chance tomorrow. So
he's terrific. He's come a long ways. Uh, keeps getting better.
I thought defensively he was terrific yesterday. I'm gonna chase
those guys around out there. I thought he did did
a nice job with that, but his offensive rebounding was

(48:37):
really the difference for us late in the game. You're
a guy who um you code like you and I've
known each other for a long time since you were
at Oregon and you recruited me. But you're You're a
guy that you you take, you take every like you
put so much into every game forget about every season.
I'm just wondering, like, as as emotional as that, and

(48:59):
it closest that game was, Like, now you've got to
turn around, erase it and and and get ready for more.
And you've done this before as a player, as a coach,
what is it like in this quick turnaround to take
on a team as talented as l s U and
have to kind of mentally refresh yourself. Well, we were
we played an early game and stay so we were
back at the hotel by six thirty and we write
don our ice, ice, bass and everything, and we gave

(49:20):
the players the night off. It's fed him twice. Call
him disrelax and get some rest. Coaches we watched film,
did a lot of work and then today we'll just
get him ready. Um, this time of the year, you've
seen everything, you've you've done everything. You can change your
ball screen defense or post defense or however whatever you're
gonna do to adjust quickly to what L s U

(49:41):
does well. But they're terrific. They're by far, I think
the most athletic team in the country. Their point guard
is off the charts good. Um, impossible to you know,
keep him in front, and he's just such a tremendous passer.
So it's a it's a tough matchup for us, but
I do think physically it's a better match up for us.
And yesterday chasing those guys around, uh, you know one

(50:04):
through five they can shoot threes. Um. You know we
we we like to play a big line up with
Sticks and Bruno, so um, you know just that, you know,
starting to line up is a much better matchup for
us moving forward. Yeah, listen, it's it's gonna be between Sticks,
Bruno and their front line. There's some dudes there right
then there's gonna be some crazy, crazy athleticism on that floor. Yeah,

(50:29):
no doubt. And you know, our our backups Ricky Lindo
Josh to mygh they're gonna have to play well for
us tomorrow. They have to play some minutes. They're gonna
have to help us and they can't. They against big
teams that they've been able to help us. So they're
gonna be really important, uh, in the you know, in
our game tomorrow. Honest question, is it still fun? Oh
my gosh, I'll tell you what. You know, it's amazing.

(50:52):
I know we're young and it's never enough, but man,
when our guys fought so hard yesterday, we got down
twelve and then we got down sick in the second
half and it was not easy. We missed a lay,
have to go up six, they hit the three. You know,
it's just like it was moving fast. But it was
so much fun. And the thing that was so fun
is how determined my guys were and how into it

(51:12):
and how well they communicated. And then the walk in
the locker room and just see their faces. I don't
usually act like a fool, you know that, Doug. I
got so excited when I saw their faces. Um, I
got you know, I got a little pumped there, so
happy for them. It's it was just a huge win.
For our program. And you know two point where lucis Dalmont, Well,
come play Belmont and see how hard it is. But

(51:33):
to have seven of our top eight freshmen and sophomores
win that game, it's not only gonna help us tomorrow,
it's gonna help us in the future because we're gonna
have a lot of guys back, and we we planned
to be a heck of a basketball team, you know,
for years to come. Yeah, I mean, it was just
it was just three years ago. You guys were in
the sweet sixteen, and and you know, last year is
the first year you hadn't made the tournament. And look,

(51:54):
I was at the Big Ten Tournament. I I I
kind of I felt your I felt your pain and
no one Bruno was gonna come back and whatever, and
what this team would look like from that point last year.
It's been a year since since you lost in Madison
Square Garden to hear what's this kind of personal journey
been like for you. It's been great, Doug, I tell
you what. I totally invested myself in the program and

(52:16):
Bruno and Kevin Herder and Anthony Cowen and all the
guys coming back, and we made them better across the board,
and then, um, you know, just we didn't think we're
gonna lose Kevin. We lost him at the end, and
now all of a sudden, we got the fourth youngest
team in college basketball. We end up playing the eighth
toughest schedule, We had extra one extra road game. Uh
you know, we played eleven away from home and only

(52:38):
nine at home in our league. So we were just
put against you know, put against the wall the whole
the whole season, and we just kept grinding and kept
doing some great things. And I'm really satisfied, you know,
to this point with this year, it's been terrific. Now
we want more. Obviously, I felt like I was preparing
them for this week, this weekend. I've been doing it

(52:59):
for like the last three weeks to play the best basketball,
and hopefully we do. But it's been a terrific year.
I love being around my team. We've got great guys
and everybody says that when you win in but you know,
we we were It's not like we're twenty seven and five.
You know, we had some losses in there, and we
stuck together through all of it. So it's been a
lot of fun and for me, personally, you know, I

(53:20):
like to win, but I also like to make guys
better and be successful. And and I know down deep
what we've done it with this team, and that that
makes me feel good. No, no question about last thing.
Your point guard, Anthony Collen, Uh, he and shoot well.
But I thought he I thought he played. I thought
he played pretty well. And he is one of those
guys which and like, look, I haven't seen every one
of your games that I've seen enough to think. You know,
sometimes guys like that when they don't shoot well, they

(53:42):
don't play well. When they do shoot well, suddenly that
they dig in. Is it Is it fair to say
that there's some maturity there in not shooting well but
finding a way to play well. Yeah. I thought he
was terriffic defensively at six assists, one turnover. Um, he
was trying to make the right play on the turnover.
Guy just made a great defensive place. So yeah, I
was really proud of Anthony. Never stopped. You know, he

(54:02):
hit one three and I ran to play for him
the next time down for another three. So that's the
confidence I have in him. Um, I just hope for him,
he you know, makes a few shots tomorrow and gets going.
The great thing for us as we still scored seventy
nine points and he was three for eighteen and we
were thirteen twenty the line and still scored seventy nine,
So we took care of the ball, which was great
for us. And Anthony has been terrific. He's had a

(54:24):
hell of a year, Second team All League and he's
a warrior, and you know, I expect him to, you know,
bring it tomorrow, play well, and hopefully he'll had a
few shots to go with it. Yeah, he's got that
tray mountain waters the Connecticut kid playing at home, but
that will be a fun matchup between those two and
of course the bevy of athletes on both sides. Tourist
congrats on the win. Wish I could be there to
watch in person. Instead, I'll be like the millions watching

(54:46):
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all right, Thanks to Doug Gottlib show rolls on here
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a repeat of of last year. And Charles Barklay, of
course has Virginia winning the national title this year, so
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(55:08):
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team that won the Big West. They've won thirty games.
They took down Kansas State in San Jose, uh Tennessee continuously,
Colgate only forty one, and Buffalo and Arizona State just
in a way. So we got four games, excume me,
three games going with one major upset in the books

(55:32):
and one possible upset at the half. Come up next.
Legendary Philadelphia college icon Fran Dumpy played at LaSalle, coached
at Penn, just retired at Temple after losing in the
first four. He joins the show after a lifetime of coaching.
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(55:54):
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it a college basketball town, right when they when they
play the Big Ten Tournament the Garden, people's people, it
was great when they played the Big East Tournament every

(57:19):
year at the Garden. It's great. Like they just but
they think they just like sport, and they do like
college basketball, not necessarily their schools in particular. I live
in southern California, Los Angeles, like even u c l A,
with all their historic success, struggles to fill their building.
Philadelphia is different, It is unique. It is special, right,
it's a It's a huge city where all sports are important,

(57:41):
but college basketball is right up there. And they have, uh,
they have the Big Five, right, they got five schools
in the Big Five. And our next guest is a
legend in Big five, in the Big five Philadelphia because
he played at one LASSAU, he coached at two of them.
Penn took them to I think it was not it
was nine Ivy League titles in eighteen years. And of course,

(58:04):
um he tied John Cheney, who coached the Temple He's
of course coached his last game at Temple, going back
a couple of days ago, with the most n c
A tournaments seventeen by a Big Five coach. Wow. He's
friend Dumpy just retired as coach at Temple. So coached
at two Big Five schools and played at another. He
joins us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.

(58:26):
A life well lived? What's it feel? Like to be
a former coach. I'm gonna tell you in a few weeks,
I guess I'm just still debriefing on from from our season,
to be honestly, Doug and I'm also watching cold Gate
play Tennessee and one of our play former players, Matt
Langol and former coaches. Matt Langole is the head coach
at Colgate got two of our other former players at Penn,

(58:50):
David Klatsky and Michael Jordan, are on staff. So this
is pretty cool. It's really it's really cool. They're they're
up one right now, by the way, and Matt's done
an amazing job. He was, he was was an amazing
player for you. Um, how how much how much shrap? No?
Is there from from the first four loss? Right? It
was a game that was well played, You had a

(59:10):
shot to win it. Um, how much does that one?
Still staying? Yeah, it does. I mean, and you've been
in it long enough yourself that that last game you
play each year is that there's there's an empty feeling.
And then when it's year last year as a college senior, Uh,
that's really empty. Where do you go? What do you do?

(59:31):
There's no practice to go to, It's it's hard. It's uh,
it's one of those staggering feelings that you're not sure
exactly how to handle it for us and for me
in particular. Now we have to give these guys the
requisite days off, and they certainly needed, they have earned that.
But then you get right back into the gym and
you plan for next year. And now for me on

(59:52):
a on a personal note, that's not going to be
the case. So I'm gonna fill it with different things.
And I'm hoping to help each couple of classes here
at Temple, and so that'll take up a lot of
my time, and then graduation and those kind of things.
And then you know, you do what you typically do
in May and June, but I won't have July to
go out and recruit with and those kind of things. So, uh,

(01:00:14):
this is all new to me. But I'm excited by
the unknown, Doug, to be honest with you, to see
what else can happen in life and all will be good.
If you could do one thing differently, what would it be? Uh?
If I would love to have one more games, To
be honest with you, I think the thing that drives
all of us as competitors is just that opportunity to win,

(01:00:34):
and what could I have done better? How could I
have coached my guys a little bit better to to
make a different shot or not turn it over, or
get that key rebound or whatever. That that that's the
only thing. And then one other thing happened to me
where a young man by the name of Trey Lowe
got hurt after his freshman year. Just a wonderful kid
and a great athlete. Uh, you know, I would have

(01:00:56):
loved That's the only regret I have in college coaching
is that I didn't get a chance to see him
play these last three years, because I think he would
have been a spectacular player. But you know, it's one
of those got hurt in a car accident and just
never was the same. And it's that hurts that those
kind of things hurt you. Just these kids lives are
your young ones, and you just hate to see that interrupted.

(01:01:19):
How different I'm not much would I checking some I'm
one of the luckier guys I know. Did you did
you ever think like, hey, you know, I mean um
and a couple years ago was a year ago the
Losal job was open, like maybe maybe I'll go home
and coach there as well was there. I mean, in
terms of going from you went from from Penn to

(01:01:40):
Temple two very different you know, very different recruiting basis,
even though it's in the same city, completely different setups.
Ever thought about going back home to coach LaSalle, you know,
I did, And I thought that they had the right
guy all along. And and uh I was great friends
with John Gin and he did a wonderful, wonderful job.
When it was for John to go, then I thought

(01:02:01):
Ashley was a great candidate. There were a number of
people that they could have gotten, but Ashley is a
good guy and he'll do he'll do great. But I no,
I didn't think too much about that. Uh. I've been again,
very very fortunate to do what I've done, and I'm
I'm at peace, man at this point. Um, look, you're
you're you're an incredible coach and an educator. As you said,

(01:02:23):
you don't want to still teach them classes at Temple.
I'm sure you've seen um tom Izzo get into his
player last night, a freshman Aaron Henry. I just felt it.
It felt like coaching to me. But you know, you've
coached and kind of coach and played in different generations.
Can you still coach that way in college basketball today?
You know, for some kids you can, But I think

(01:02:43):
you when we get older, we we do adjust how
we do things that I'm not nearly as aggressive today
that I was fifteen years ago. I mean, it's just
you picked your battles differently. You know, you know when
you can get on a young man, and you know
when you it's time to step aside. And I'm sure
Coachoso thought that he wanted to get into this guy.

(01:03:05):
That probably helped him and uh, and it will help them.
They'll have a great conversation afterwards and say, what are
you making me do that to you? For? What? This
is what I want? Doug, you know, he'll figure it
all out. And now, I Uh, it's it's different today,
There's no question about it. Where kids are different than
but they're not. It's not worse, it's just different. And
I think we have to figure that out. We have

(01:03:25):
to do it on our our own terms and we
have to we have to be really good at what
we do, and especially on the relationship side of things.
If you could change one thing, what would it be
about college basketball? Um? You know, I don't know how
much I would change they could be Honestly, it's it's
a really good game. We're not perfect by any stretch,

(01:03:46):
but who is perfect? And uh, you know, the game
has changed, even like the extually no part of it obviously,
the three points out is way way different than it
used to be and big men are not quite the same,
uh stature. I guess that's sort of punished, but it's
just not the same as as it used to be.

(01:04:07):
But I'm proud of our game. You know, I don't
want to see some of the things that do go
on sometimes, some of the troubles that some of our
coaches have gotten into much recently. But but I do
think we have a good game. We just have to
adjust a little bit. Friend duv Our guest in the
Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. It feels like

(01:04:28):
from the outside, Jay Wright has handled all this immense
success of the last couple of years with the utmost
of class. Is that is that accurate from from being
inside the Big five? Like it's you guys are are
very clear as arrivals, but you guys can be very
very close. Um, has it been handled? The domination of
the Big Five and then the two national championships as

(01:04:50):
well as it appears to those of us nationally. I'm
a huge Jay Wright fan. I think what has happened
to Villan over over the last six years is it's
extraordinary the success that they have had. And I think,
above all, I think Jay Wright is a good man.
He's a fabulous basketball coach, but he's a good man,
and I think he gets life. I don't think you

(01:05:12):
can be as successful as he has been in every
aspect of the game on the court, off the court
as he has without having a genuine goodness about them.
So I'm very proud of my friend and what he
has done and what he's accomplished. All right, here's the
last thing. That's the most important thing. I had a
coaching friend, Bob Williams, who retired a couple of years

(01:05:34):
ago at UC Santa Barbara, and he said, you know,
they're just saying in coaching, every year you make a
new an enemy. I haven't ever heard anybody say anything
bad about you. I just haven't. I've never heard anybody
go like I got dump, he's a he's a bad guy.
Like zero people. What is that? What is the key
to being successful and and and and being in this business,

(01:05:55):
being any business as long as you have, but a
public one like college coaching and being risk that did
and liked at the same time. That's unique. Well, you're
very nice to say that, and I really appreciate it.
And I know Bob Williams very well. He's a good man.
And uh, but I don't know. Just treat people well,
that's all. I just respect everybody. I just had a
young man to walk on come into to my office

(01:06:17):
here and thank me for the opportunity and those kind
of things. Just a terrific, terrific young man. He's going
to be a great success in whatever he chooses to do.
But just have time for everybody. Spend that extra five
minutes to listen. It could change your life. And that's
that's how I I hope I am. I hope My
parents taught me. Well, my brother and two sisters were
all pretty close still they come to all of our

(01:06:39):
games and and but you know, we were taught if
you're invited somewhere, you go. We were taught that everybody
has their song to sing and respect everybody you can.
So I hope I've done that. But you're very nice
to say it, and I've met great, great people along
the way. I've got I might lead the country and
friends and very trying, no doubt about it. Are you

(01:07:03):
you'll be on the golfing tour? Lapis? Is? That is that?
The hobby is? That? Is that how you feel your day?
You know, Lap did one of our games most recently,
and uh I will play with him a couple of
times over the summer and we'll have a good time
at it. We'll laugh a lot and enjoyed each other's company.
And his son actually was a grad assistant for us
for two years and enjoyed that very very much. She's

(01:07:24):
a good man, Lap And and I appreciate him. Best
player you ever coached, I would say at the University
of Pennsylvania, Jerome Allen Matt Maloney. Those two guys were
two ps and the pot that you did a lot
of non coaching in those days. Just leave them alone.
And that here at Temple Laboy, Allen was one of

(01:07:47):
the most underrated players I've I've ever seen. He made
no mistakes on the defensive end. In four years we
went to four Street n C Double A tournaments and
he made it through six years in the NBA. I
hope he still gets another one or in him, but
was a leading rebounder in the history of the school.
Just uh and never cared if he scored. Yeah, Row

(01:08:07):
and Milonia Allen, that was that was a pretty pretty
incredible backcourt too. Pros in your backcourt coch coach. Uh,
listen obviously well in respect from from everybody. Can't wait
to uh to see you very very soon in the
meantime and him long and I'm straight and enjoy the accolades.
Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you, Doug. I
appreciate all the best. All right, that's a friend, dumpy,

(01:08:27):
legendary head coach Penn and most recently Temple. They lost
in the first four of the n c A tournament. Um.
All right, So when we when we last got an update,
Colgate was leading Tennessee and Gardner Webb was leading Virginia.
Let's get you to Dan Buyer and find out if
those scores have held Cavaliers on the comeback trail. Top
seeded Virginia now leads Gardner web by a score of

(01:08:49):
forty two to thirty eight or at the first TV
time out of the second half, fourteen thirty eight left
to go in that one Virginia trailed by six at
a half time, but out scoring the Bulldogs twelve to
two so far in this second half. Second seed Tennessee
has a three point edge on coal Gate, the fifteen
seed in the South Region fifty eight to fifty five,

(01:09:11):
with seven sixteen left to go in that one right now,
Number six Buffalo leads Arizona State, the eleven seed. Those
teams are playing out of the West Region, one to
go in that contest. Earlier you see Irvine, yes with
the shocker at the mice need Galloway trailing. Nothing stopping

(01:09:36):
the ant Eaters as they topped four seed Kansas State
seventy to sixty four the South South region. So the
thirteen seed moving on to face the winner of Wisconsin
and Oregon. That's just about to tip. Texas Tech pulled
away from Northern Kentucky at a three fourteen matchup seventy
two to fifty seven westward one. By the way, with
that call number nine Oklahoma all over old Miss seventy

(01:09:58):
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(01:11:46):
Wisconsin just underway and uh, and Virginia continues to lead. Uh,
they've stretched to lead it. I think to eleven to
eleven against Gardener Web after trowing by six at the half.
I do I want to get I'll get to this.
Uh what did the fox to say? In a second?

(01:12:06):
What did the fox? What do? What did the fox say?
In a second? Sorry, I was trying to think about
the jingle, but you know it's fascinating me too. Fold One,
there is this John Morant out of nowhere, Like he
hasn't come out of nowhere, but maybe he has come
out of nowhere. Since he was recruited in maybe South
Carolina was the only big time school to offer from
a scholarship. But coming into the year, he was seen

(01:12:29):
as a lottery pick, and as the year progressed, he
was seen as the number two or number three pick
in the upcoming NBA draft, And uh, nothing, that's nothing
that's taken place up until yesterday did anything to prove
that to be false. And then yesterday he dominates Marquette.
There's a couple of things. So Marquete's point guard is
Marcus Howard. He's only nineteen, which for a college junior

(01:12:53):
nowadays in college basketball is super young, super young. Um,
he's only nineteen, but he's you know, five five eleven,
lead the country and scoring. And the difference between an
NBA player and a guy who might play in the

(01:13:15):
NBA was a great college player could not have been
more evident. But now there's a discussion about whether or
not he should go. Man should go number one overall.
Now do I think Moran it's gonna be great? Yeah,
I think he's gonna be He's the real deal, a
freak athlete. Now he's a little turnover prone. He's got
to shoot the basketball better. But guys generally do shoot
the ball better. But he does so many things, and

(01:13:36):
he's so incredibly comfortable even when being double teamed, playing fast,
playing slow, like he just he's just comfortable out there.
But the but the way in which Zion is gonna
play in the NBA is as important as the way
in which or the position in which John Morant's gonna play.

(01:13:57):
Morant is going to play a lead guard, point guard,
and he's you know, for this day and age, he's
a pretty confident and pretty true point guard. But Zion
Wiamson is going to be a small ball five and
undersized power forward who can guard everybody on the floor,
and that has just as much, if not more value,

(01:14:18):
because it's harder to find. And I know what you're saying, like, oh,
you know, there's there's other guys that are six five,
six six that can score. Yeah, but they can't guard
big guys and point guards. He can. In addition to
the fact that he can actually score in the low post,
and he's developing a perimeter game, and he's naturally a
good passer. Like, don't get me wrong, I think the

(01:14:39):
John Rent surpassing R. J. Barrett is more interesting than
John Rent. Anyone want to take him number one overall
against Zion, And I don't think it's because of hype
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(01:15:01):
report from Michael Wilbon. The Doc Rivers is not interested
in the Lakers job because, quote, there are people in
southern California right now telling Doc you don't want this.
One of those reasons is simply Lebron James, Lebron doesn't
want to be coached. Here's Colin Cowherd giving his thoughts.
Doc and Lebron. James sounds good on paper. Doc has
won a title. He's smart. Lebron's won several. He's smart.

(01:15:22):
They're both kind of legends in their little genre, the
player of the coach. They wouldn't work. It wouldn't work.
Lebron is too rich, too powerful, and too accomplished. He
doesn't need anything in that relationship. Well, well, i'll colin.
Doc worked with Kevin Garnett, he worked with Paul Pierce,
he worked with Chris Paul, He worked with Blake Griffin,

(01:15:42):
he worked with Ray Allen. They didn't have titles. They
needed doc to get a ring. Lebron's got his. This
is what happens two superstars who have multiple titles or
titles late in their career. Brett Farr, Big Band, Kobe,
it becomes really hard to coach. Um, yeah, I mean

(01:16:05):
we keep putting Big Ben in there. You know, I
don't know. I think basketball is is so different. Um,
I think even Kobe is different. Like, yeah, Kobe was
difficult to coach, but not for Phil Jackson. The the
real difficulty with Lebron James is that his best friend
is an agent and an agent for NBA players. That's

(01:16:28):
the real difficulty. His best friend is an agent and
he represents other NBA players. That's the problem. That's a major,
major problem because now the sudden there's this thought, all right,
are any player that has any player they're getting you
have to be repped by Clutch Sports. Any coach you
higher had to be repped by clutched Sports. I have
a relationship there. In addition to the fact that Lebron James,

(01:16:52):
you don't necessarily know how he feels. He won't tell
you how he feels. I mean, he'll tell you how
he feels based upon his engagement in what you're doing,
but you can't get him to say like, all right, hey,
what do you want? And then if you give into
what he wants, you got other guys with their own
agents and their own egos. So look, I I believe

(01:17:13):
that to be accurate, and I believe that some of
it is Lebron James can be a little bit hard
to coach. And I also think that here's the thing
with the aging stars is they don't know that they're
aging stars. They don't know that there. They don't know
that they can't guard the way they used to, or
maybe they do, but they're not willing to admit exactly
where they are in um, you know, in the curve

(01:17:39):
from Bill Orem or the athletic Most NBA instiders believe
the Lakers won't sign a superstar free agent this summer.
That's not exactly groundbreaking, right. The only superstars that are
available potentially potentially are what Kyrie Irving can and Durant

(01:18:00):
we both we knew they weren't going there. Kemba Walker
probably not, you know, so who else? Oh, Klay Thompson,
Clay Thompson, So you know, look, and and there there
should be reason Kyrie. We know that relationship went bad,
although it's been mended some. Clay Thompson, though, I mean,
he should be at least open to it because his
dad's a broadcaster with the Lakers. He's always wanted to

(01:18:22):
be a Laker, but he has played with the championship squad.
Kevin Durants a little bit tricky. He's never been on
Team Lebron. He's wanted to destroy Team Lebron. So I
there are reasons that are logical outside of Lebron James,
but one would think one would deduce that wouldn't you
want to play with that guy? And the answer apparently

(01:18:43):
is no. But I think the agent and the best
friend being an agent is a huge portion of it.
Huge portion of it. And that's what the Fox said.
It looks like Virginia is going to hold on and
beat Gardener Webb. Looks like Tennessee is gonna hold on
and beat Colgate Oregon Wisconsin very early on Buffalo up

(01:19:07):
thirteen on Arizona State. So so far, we do have
one sizeable upset that's you see or vine should be
pointed out. Kansas State playing without Dean Wade, playing without
Dean Wade who's was the All Big twelve player preseason
Big Twelve Player of the Year, but battle foot issues
the entire season. My guests would be, he's got a
broken foot and he just either hasn't been telling anybody's

(01:19:29):
been trying to manage it. Maybe a stress reaction on
stretch fracture. Did you guys see Bryce Drew got fired today?
Like Bryce Shrew have been at Vanderbilt for three years,
and I've always said this about Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt is the
least SEC of the SEC, right, Like they're not good
at football, they care about basketball, and their girls aren't

(01:19:49):
particularly good looking compared to everybody else. Like that's the
least SEC. All of a sudden, though, they hire a
new athletic director who comes from running the G League
and Bryce Drew year three ran a terrible year oh
and eighteen in the SEC. But they lost a kid
named Darius Garland who's a top ten maybe top five
draft pickers, a one and done toward a meniscus in
his knee and then took the rest of the year off,

(01:20:10):
probably could have come back mid season. And Bryce Drew
gets fired. How do you fire Bryce Rue? On the
on on during the first round the n c A tournament.
That's Bryce drew Day. That's a stunner. That is an
absolute stunt um. And then this is what I haven't experienced.

(01:20:33):
So we've had so far, we've had, we're having like
all my friends on today. Do you guys realize that?
So Tur's a guy. Mark Tursen joined us earlier. You
can listen to that interview Fox Sports Trader dot com.
He recruited me to Oregon. Uh, Fran McCaffrey from Iowa.
They beat Cincinnati. He recruited me Notre dame, longtime friend
of mine and uh, coming up next, Bruce Pearl is
gonna join us. Auburn gets a win in crazy fashion,

(01:20:58):
just how he drew it up. We'll get some pearls
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(01:21:25):
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on to cover almost anything. Um, I guess crazy day.

(01:21:50):
I mean, has it been really that crazy? This is
one of those things where, uh you ever you ever
been to a party where people are like, man, this
party is always not like it's like Christmas parties, right, man,
Christmas parties are nuts. And then you go to the
party and there's just a bunch of people staying around
having drinks, right, and there's some awkwardness and if you
stay late enough, you know, somebody just gets oh, and

(01:22:14):
there's an un locked office and it appears to people
may have disappeared behind the locked office door. But generally,
you know, your first time you were at a college party,
when your first college party, Man, college parties rock, Who's crazy?
And they walk into like a bunch of people staying
around listening to music, drinking beer, kind of what the

(01:22:38):
n State turmin feels like. So far, I'm not diminishing,
and there's still fun stuff, right we had Mark Terson
joined US belmontin really pulled off another upset. Uh Fran
McCaffrey joined US Iowa. Came from I think down twelve
in the first half, came back to win. It's seven
threes in the second half, and there's been an you

(01:23:00):
Servine did beat Kansas State, who tied to the Big
twelve championship. We've had some fun. It's been fine, but like,
let's not act like this is it, Oh doctor, craziest
thing over. I'm that party, remember that March madness? Like yeah, Like, look,
you're gonna have a couple of crazy games, a couple

(01:23:21):
of really good finishes, and then you're gonna have some
you gonna have some stinkers. Even the Virginia thing was
it was kind of classic, right, Virginia down six and
a half and Virginia comes back and ends up hammering
Gardener Webb. So uh, die Quite and Tai Jerome have

(01:23:43):
been outstanding in the second half, and Virginia is going
to put away Gardener Webb very very soon. Tennessee puts
away Colgate seventy seven seventy and Buffalo is beating Arizona States.
That's Nato. It's the former assistant coach at Buffalo now
head coach at Buffalo do damage to his former boss,

(01:24:03):
um his his former boss, Bobby Hurley. Tom Is. Though
a lot of people discussed this last night, I give
me my thoughts in a second, here's ISO on what
happened between he and his freshman wing Aaron Henry. When
you're a freshman now at this time of year, you

(01:24:24):
don't make mental mistakes on things that we're telling a
guy which way he goes, or not running back, or
you know, there are some things. Aaron didn't do a
very good job. And then I did get after him,
and he did respond, and he did make a couple
of big buckets, and he did make some big free throws.
But that's not good enough. This is one and done time.
You know, the my bads are out the window. If

(01:24:44):
they're my bads because that team played better, that guy
played better. If it's my bad because I decided to
jog back instead of sprint back, then it is you're
bad and you're gonna hear about it. I get a
kick out of you guys get after somebody because you're
trying to hold him accountable. I don't know what kind
of business year in, but I'll tell you what. If
I was ahead of a newspaper and you didn't do

(01:25:04):
your job, you'd be able accountable. That's the way it is,
he tweeted out. And the reason he wouldn't stop is
because Aaron Henry kept talking. How however, what the world
doesn't know is that is loves the kid who will
challenge him back more than anything. So there's some insight
for all of you, or for you all that's straight

(01:25:26):
hung green, which is all accurate. I talked to tom
As though about another kid, Foster Lawyer, who's a freshman
on his team, and and I said, well, I don't,
why don't play more? And He's like, all right, you know,
like he's just a freshman, he's so little. So I
talked to one of his assistant coaches, Dane Fiffe, whose
dad coach Foster in high school, and he said, the

(01:25:48):
first time that Foster says f you to I, zoh,
is the first time that he'll have a chance to start, right.
That's just how they That's how they do things. And
and and yeah, is I was gonna come back at him,
but end of the day, he wants to He's trying
to see if you've got a little fighting you. That's
just how he does it. Um. I just just looked this.

(01:26:14):
Maybe it's the way I was coaching, the way I
was raised. But the second the coach stops paying attention
to you or the second of coach banishes you to
the bench as long as you don't m m f
M up and down, you know, and undress him with
the type of language where it becomes super super personal.

(01:26:35):
You're demanding effort of a guy, and then a guy
says my bad and my bad isn't good enough, and
you demand more and you let him come back at you,
and I that was good. And by the way, it's
like a team building moments, like a team building exercise.
Right there in front of you. If you saw Cassius Winston,
who's the unquestioned leader, the point guard, the big Big
ten player of the year, he gets up and he's

(01:26:55):
like separating him, and then Matt mcquaid's up there. Hey, hey,
like this is I don't know, like I don't know
if I don't think it's chaos at all. I just
think that that's how basketball can be coached, that's how
basketball can be played. Do we have VP? Okay, so look,

(01:27:18):
I just think we're it's it's one thing to be
reasonable and say, hey, we've evolved some since we were kids.
You know, when I was a kid, my dad we drive.
We didn't have seat belts or we had seat belts,
but we didn't always wear them, and the car would
stop show if you stop short. He put his arm
out there, and then they put the seat belt law
and people freaked out. People freaked out, and so I

(01:27:43):
I understand that the line there has has drawn. Like now,
like you get a new car. I don't know a
single parent, not a single one, who would ever even
drive down the street unless the kid is buckled up.
I'm sure many of you are driving around right now
and your kids sitting back there in a in a
booster seat or in a car seat, and they probably

(01:28:04):
shouldn't be in that particular seat, but you're better safe
than sorry. That wasn't how we were raised. So smartly
we moved that line some and we want to be
more responsible, We want to be less terse. The language
and the sideline decorum has improved, but like, let's not
kid ourselves. Like jumping a kid and getting his effort

(01:28:27):
and getting in his face like that, that isn't close
to the line. We know where the line is. No
matter how much you think it's moved, I don't believe
it is Acroston. I don't even think it's worthy necessarily discussion.
But some people do Stuck Gotli show, You're on Fox
Sports Radio. Wildest game of yesterday was Auburn's stunning come

(01:28:50):
from ahead almost collapsed when against New Mexico State. The
head coach of the Tigers is a longtime friend. Of course,
he has no uh uh he is. He is no unknown.
We've seen him in the tournament before with you w Milwaukee.
We've seen him win Division two championships, and of course
we did him take Tennessee to the Sweet sixteen. He's
Bruce Pearl, head coach Auburn. He joins us in the

(01:29:12):
Doug Gottlip Show. Um, how would if somebody didn't watch
the game? They're like, Bruce had your first if I
had you had your game going against New Mexico State,
Jeff like we scripted it, Doug, Jeff, like we scripted it. Man. Hey, listen,
I've yelled at kids too, you know. And uh, the
great coach Pat Died from Auburn said you can coach
him as hard as you love him, and I believe

(01:29:33):
in that. And kids still want discipline, they still want
to be coached. And uh, for all your parents out there,
you could yell at your kids because you love him
and they're gonna listen to you because they respect you
and because you know they know you care about him.
And so God, just relax, everybody, got I got it.
I got a great one for you. Okay. So Bruce
Pearl joining us, I've known you forever. Uh. And of

(01:29:55):
course Stevie Steven's on your staff now, and you coached
him at Tennessee. He loves he loves my my son
Hayes like, Hey, is this guy you can tell him
the story. So last night we get to practice and
he's got and he's got an all star team tournament
this weekend. And he hadn't he hadn't had he missed
a team practice night before cause he had baseball. And

(01:30:16):
I'm telling you he was We wanted to go over
a horn series and a couple other things, and he
rolled his eyes at me and he wasn't working hard.
And then uh, and then he was just kind of
walking through things when we were trying. We were trying
to go hard, and I kicked him out. I said,
get out of my gym. I made him sit outside
by himself. And then and then while they were while

(01:30:36):
we were going through our offense try, I came outside
and I laid into him pretty pretty good. And uh,
I just I wonder how many times you kicked Stephen
out of practice? No, I still kick him out of practice.
I mean, you know when I yelled am at the
bench and he yells at me and and and it works,
and uh, you know, we can't lose that. Let's we
got we gotta stay tough. And but let's it is

(01:30:58):
Mark Madness. It's easy. Um you look, God, you're out west.
You know how good Mexico State is, right? I mean,
that's a team that's a was a tough draw five twelve.
They're athletic, they're deep, they're well closed inside game. Um, hey,
it was a tough matchup for both teams. We won
and did not play great, which is a good sign
for us. Fortunately, we had seven and ninth point lead

(01:31:21):
with about a minute and a half to go and
folded and fell apart and had to make about seven
or eight mistakes to give them a chance to win
the game. But but here's here's our advantage. We did
make five out of six of our last three. Does
because in the SEC, we're a lot of close games
and New Mexico State. I told our guys one of
the advantage we have is the last time they had

(01:31:41):
a close game was at Kansas and and they miss
a couple of three those. Then I said, you know what,
that's the one thing about being a dominant team in
a league like that is they just haven't had that
experience of having to close the close ones out. Uh,
Jared Harper, I've seen as your your your best winning
player and or leader, right, and he he was a

(01:32:02):
winner and he hit the game winning I think free
throw in high school. Um, you know, to win the
state championship. How do you explain him fouling out in
such a bone headed manner like that. That's that you
gave him a look like I cannot believe what I
just saw. Yeah, he had to make four or five
mistakes at the end, and he did. But let me
tell you, I'm got five games in eight days, and

(01:32:24):
our guys were popped. I'm just telling you it was crazy.
When you play four games in Rowan Nashville and you
win an SEC championship and you cut down nets those
last Game three and Game four, it's pure adrenaline. You
know you're you're forty minutes away from being a champion.
And I don't care how hard, how tired you are.
You're just rolling come home Saturday night, go to class Monday,

(01:32:46):
travel halfway across the country Tuesday morning, have a practice
in the altitude on Wednesday, and you played Thursday morning
eleven thir Our guys just didn't quite have it. And
that's the beauty of the tournament, that's the beauty of
the matchup. You just don't know all these different factors.
So we went, we advanced. We got Kansas tomorrow night. Um,
you know, Lawsu as a pro Dotson is a is
a very very tough cover. They still in for McDonald's

(01:33:08):
All Americans. They're not the Kansas team that they've been
in the past, but they're still a great team and
a Hall of Fame coach. And it's gonna you know,
it's gonna be all about whether or we can cover
Lawsuit on the inside and whether or not we can
keep them, you know, from getting to the river. That's
gonna be. That's gonna be the real kid. Bruce Pearl
joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Last thing, I know you gotta go. Uh you mentioned

(01:33:31):
how if we could if we could talk later today.
I got all the time. I got the guys waiting.
If you later on, I will call you. I will
call you off air, but I want to ask you
on air about this, like how do you manage? How
does it change the way your you coach? Knowing this
is gonna be your six game in like nine days,
right and you're playing in altitude, and look, your teams

(01:33:53):
play fast and are well conditioned. But that's just a
lot for any for any college kid to play. How
does that change how you coach? It won't very much,
because Tom Davis taught me that as we get into March,
don't shorten your bench. And you know, Javon McCormack came
off our bench and played brilliantly. He's played great in March,
and so we are going to trust that process. And

(01:34:14):
so yes, Jared Harper, Bryce Bot, I got a couple
of guys that have played a heavy match. So you
know what I might do, Doug. I might give them
a little bit more rotation early in the game. I
don't want them to have to play many, many more
than thirty two. Other than that, we're playing nine guys
and it's an equal opportunity and and that's how we play.
And you can't. You can't change it if we don't
tear Kavas over some and let Bill self get get

(01:34:35):
the ball to places on the floor he wants to
get it. We got no shot. I can't wait to
see the game. Tell Stevia said, hello, best of luck
with with with the Jayhawks. We'll talk soon, all right,
look forward, all right? Happy poor him and Shibace alone.
My man Bruce Parrol, who I've known for a long time,
and I was, I was supposed to be his assistant
coach in Israel. Do you guys know this story. That's
a real quick story. Okay, So when we first met guys,

(01:34:59):
you guys remember I was the I was the coach
I coached the Tina went to Israel. This is two
summers ago. We did shows from there, um four years previous.
I was supposed to be his assistant coach. The reason
I didn't go was because myself or maybe his eight
years previous was because it was because my son had
just been born and my wife is like, again, you're

(01:35:20):
not going to Israel and I have a newborn son,
Like that's not happening anyway. So I coached him in
the training camp and then they and then they went
to Israel on the gold I'm Minnesota head coach Richard
Patino joins the show. Up coming next, how do you
teach his team to shoot in just four short days?
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Sometimes you know too much that that's I'm convinced of this.
I'm convinced that's one. My bracket sucks, at least from
day one to My bracket sucks. Right Like I saw

(01:37:29):
Minnesota and they just didn't play well when I saw
him against Michigan. Michigan th will make you look like that.
That was earlier in the year. And then I I
saw Uh win a game and looked really good and
then lose the game in the Big Ten tournament, and like, man,
the beat Perdue and I want but I just thought, Wow,
they don't shoot the ball that well. Probably a year
away from having a little bit better point guard play.

(01:37:50):
They've got a lot of young players. I don't know,
So of course I picked Louisville. And what does Minnesota do?
They shoot the ball really really well. And George Murphy,
you haven't seen him the senior what a uh? Moving
the second all time the scoring lists in Minnesota goal
and goal for history eighteen hundred and two points. He's
a double double machine and apparently now a three point shooter.
Richard Patino joins US head coach of Minnesota. Um, like, look,

(01:38:14):
you let him take a couple of game, but take
couple of threes a game, but he'd made like six
coming in. Did you tweak something? Like? What what happened
to your team that suddenly guys that had struggled shooting
the basketball like Jordan's shout it so well, well, um,
I'd like to act like I did something, uh, you know,

(01:38:34):
to make myself sound smart, but we didn't really do
anything a whole lot different. I do think this Dogan,
you know, as you played, I think it's contagious. I
think we hit some shots early, and I thought we
got our confidence going. And I do think that our
offense is a lot better when our defense is clicking.
And I thought our defense and our rebounding early in
the game was really really good. I'm I'm wondering about

(01:38:58):
the success of the Big Ted And it's interesting because look,
games a lot messed a lot, especially of like talented
and you having coached obviously in the Big Ten in
the a c C, having coached at Louisville previously, um,
you know, and they were in the Big East back then. Like, look,
twenty games against against players of similar skill, coaches that

(01:39:20):
know each other, Like that sounds like a good idea,
but it kind of beats the hell out of each other.
It seems like it's worked though in the n c
A tournament. How much of a correlation do you think
the battles of the Big Ten have prepared you for
the n c a tournament. Well, that was the argument
was it will help get more teams in the tournament

(01:39:40):
if you played tourn me. I don't know if that's
the case necessarily or not. I think the key is
having a good non conference and I thought our conference
did that. Um, you know, this conference will beat you up.
I'm not I don't know for the best. I think
we're one of the best. But what we do have,
probably more than any other league, is it's the most physical.

(01:40:00):
We've got really really smart players, we've got established programs,
we've got fan bases. You know, top to bottom of
our conference. There is no appathy whatsoever. And that brings
out the most and everybody. You know that when your
fans care, when you're on national TV, you better bring
it um. And so we deal with that every night

(01:40:22):
with the Big Ten network and we're playing you know,
when you're playing app for do even at Rutgers, it
doesn't really matter where you play. You know, you've got
to be physically and mentally at your best. And you
see right now in the conference at the Big ten
six and oh and it doesn't surprise me a whole lot.
I mean, because I think that our conference is really,

(01:40:42):
really good. I mean, I remember I played the Penn
State team at home. We won by one, and Penn
State was oh and pen at the time, and they're good,
you know, and they're a very good team. They got
a pro and Lamar Stevens. So top to bottom, I
think it's got a lot of depth and uh, you know,
proud of the conference so far. What was it like
to coach against Louisville? You know what, honestly, it was

(01:41:05):
not as big of a deal as everybody made it
out to be. Um. You know, when we got the draw,
it popped up, you know, Louisville seven. I thought we'd
be an eight nine or a ten, see that that
would be right around there. So I thought it would
be a chance because it was in Des Moines. Um,
you know, I kind of wanted to play in De
Moines so our fans could be here. And they did
show up in a great way, large game. Um. But

(01:41:26):
other than that, it was all about basketball. I mean,
it wasn't really you know for me, like I don't
know Chris mac all that well. I don't really know
a lot of those players all that well. Um, I
got a lot of respect for that team, but it
was all business. I mean it was all trying to
find ways to help the team win. Uh. And it
really wasn't a whole lot more emotional than that. Um

(01:41:46):
you know. I mean it's an opportunity to win in
the h double a tournament. You know, it's got to
be about your team more than anything else. Can I
can I ask you an honest question, Like we know
each other little bit. I mean, we're not like best
of friends. But every time everybody I've come in contact
with in regards to you, my interaction with you, I
would say, you're kind of the opposite of what somebody
who assumes who you are is, right, Like if you say,

(01:42:10):
like son of a Hall of Fame, legendary multiple national
championship coach who is like a best selling author, Like
you know, your dad's done everything right, like his son
who was an assistant, Like, oh, that guy, he's got
to be so arrogant, full of himself, stuffy, like you
can't tell him anything, you know, prep school kid. That

(01:42:31):
and that's you have a way about you where you're
the exact opposite of that. How is how does that happened? How?
How are you the opposite of the stereotype son of
a guy who's super, super famous and awesome in his job. Well,
it's funny. Um. I worked with Robin Near at Florida.
We're still close friends. And Robin there used to say
to me all the time because when I got there,

(01:42:52):
I didn't know Rob, and Rob and I are very
close now. He used to always say, whenever I saw
you in the gyms in the summer, I used to
always hate you and I always lie. I'm like, that
comes with the territory. Um. I don't think that I'm
entitled by any means, and I don't think that I
act that way. I probably just because of you know,
in your formative years, I would say growing up, my

(01:43:16):
dad is the head coach of Kentucky, and that that's
just insanity. I mean, the amount of intention and the
amount of fanfare that you get. And I never really
liked it. Um. And then he goes to Boston where
you know, as Boston like those guys don't care about
that stuff. You know, I go to a school where
that they don't. They could care less who my father is, um.

(01:43:38):
And I just think that I've seen so many hive
seen so many loads that I just kind of take
it and stride. Um. So I try very very hard
to be humble. I never want to be perceived as
a guy who's been handed anything. I mean, I never
want to. I do try not to be arrogant in
any ways. I mean, I'm appreciative of anything. So maybe
it's because you see some other people like that, uh,

(01:44:00):
that he tried very very hard to not be that way.
How many texts your dad send you after the game?
You know what's funny, he only because he's in Milan.
He's playing in He's playing in Milan right now, so
I don't know. Did you play overseas? So I think
you understand, like you're traveling so much and you're all
over the place. Um. The only thing he really said

(01:44:20):
to me was, you know, so proud of you. Uh,
that's an awesome win. But that was really it. I mean,
it really was not. I think everybody thinks it's like
this whole you know of fight for your father's name
and all that stuff, Like it's really not about that.
I mean, I think it's he was proud that we
were because we were in the tournament two years ago.
Last year we were decimated by injuries, um, you know,

(01:44:42):
and then to be able to bounce back go beat
a really good Louisville team. I think we're anything. He
was just excited that we were able to move on.
Um okay, So now you get Michigan State, who they're
a little bit they're a little bit on fumes, they're
banged up, but last time they played your your team,
they kicked the all of you guys. How hard is that?
I mean, like, look any any competitors, like look at

(01:45:03):
one another shot on a neutral site, We're gonna have
be half our fans half their fans as well. And
it's not like this is an overwhelmingly talented Michigan State team,
but they're very well connected, and they're very connected, and
they have you know, they get the conference player of
the year. How do you what's your approach to getting
that memory out of their head? Do you want them
to remember the butt whooping? Like, how do you handle

(01:45:23):
It's a good question, you know, I'm not so sure
that you want to remind them that you got your
butt whip. UM I will say this, Uh, in this conference,
it's tough to win on the road. President Center is
probably one of the toughest places to play in the country. UM.
Cash is Winston. You know, It's funny, the more and
more I watched him, the more I appreciate him. I
always thought maybe not an NBA player, But the more

(01:45:47):
that I watched him, I mean, there's no doubt in
my mind. I kid's gonna play in the NBA. He's
unbelievable from ball screens. Uh, make Ward when healthy is terrific. Um.
You know, so I don't really We just try to
make it about exec I do think that if there
is a benefit of a one day prep, it's probably
easier for Michigan State as well as it is us
because we know each other's programs. So there isn't necessarily

(01:46:10):
a whole lot of you know, from a coaching standpoint,
like you have to explain to the guys. We understand
what they're gonna do. It's gonna be catch us in
ball screens, gonna be a lot of white pin nowns.
Is gonna be running on makes and mrs. But it's
just a matter of executing better than we did the
first time we played. You know, we've had we've been
weird when our offense is not flowing at times in

(01:46:30):
our losses, it's just snowball. Um. We can't letting that happen.
We've got to get tougher as the game goes on.
And I think that, you know, beating Penn State in
the Conference surnament, beating per Due and then obviously Perdue twice,
it's given us some confidence. So I like the way
our guys playing right now. A mere coffee has been
a change. Man. You played him with something at the

(01:46:51):
point and then he went on that run into the
big ten tern We have what five straight games the
twenty points or more? Um, And yeah, like, look, he's
a he's kind of a un eek player and he's
so he's so versatile. Um. What's changed though? With him?
It's more than just playing the point right He's he's
his confidence has improved. He looks like a different player.

(01:47:11):
What changed with the Mirror about I don't know two
and a half three weeks ago. Yeah, I think it's
just kind of like a mentality, you know, it's almost
like that that Kobe Bryant Mamba mentality type deal, Like
a Mirror has that a little bit where he gets
really really locked in and engaged. Man, he's tough to stop. UM.
And I do think that when the other four guys

(01:47:31):
on the court are all playing together as one and
where we don't get bogged down offensively or not easy
to guard, uh, it obviously opens up the court for
a mirror. You know, when when you establish a lopos
pose threat with Murphy uh and with Daniel Turo, you know,
then they've got to make decisions about what they can do.
And if Calcher sitting three teams aren't going to help

(01:47:53):
off him as much. So we've become part of the guard.
I mean, it's amazing that. I don't think I've ever
seen it. We at eight six points last night, not
one player off the bench even having an attempt. I've
never seen that before. But with a mirror, it's just
turning the thing up another level. And when he does that,
he's one of the better players in our league. You

(01:48:14):
mentioned Gig Klscher, who I know, like you look, you
got this incredible freshman class. Um, how tall is he
with and how tall is he without the afro? He's
got a little fledged to him, right, like six four
or six with the fro he is I would say
he's definitely six four. Um, he's got probably a little
bit better size than you'd think. But I tell you

(01:48:34):
what he Danniel Turo probably gets a lot of the
accolades just for our freshman class, but Gabe Calcher has
had as consistent a year as any freshman in our league.
He is a terrific shooter, but he guards the best
player and willingly does it. I mean, you know, we've
had some really good games against shutting down Cashi's Winston,

(01:48:55):
and Gave has had a lot to do with that.
He is of go back in the sense of when
he walks on the court, it's right into his routine.
He does the same thing every single day before practice,
after practice. There's no fluff with him, there's no bs
with him. Uh. You know, he's he's all business and
I think that he's just gonna get better and bet

(01:49:17):
like his body will get better, his ball handling, a
decision making, all that stuff will improved. And it's just
very simple, like he just puts in the work and
he doesn't mess around. He doesn't come practice shooting half
court shots. Uh. He is a driven focus kid. Yeah,
I hate the half court shots. It is the bane
of the bane of my existence. I'm time with the kids.

(01:49:37):
Kids with the half court half court shots. By the way, uh,
Jarvis and Mersa's he's stolen your hairstyle. Didn't you used
to have the died That was your look back in college,
wasn't it. But you know what I told him, I said,
you can't be a bum and have that haircut. So
you better be a good player if you're going to
do that. So I'll tell you what he um, He

(01:49:57):
is going to be a really good player. He's just
playing behind George Murphy, um unbelievable athletes. To his credit,
you know, we talked a lot about, you know, a
competitive vulnerability, and we talked about Russell Westbrook being one
of those guys where he puts himself out there during
games and he doesn't care if you know, he looks
like he's trying harder than everybody else. He just wants

(01:50:20):
to win. Jarvis Emerson's like that, like he does not
care that he looks like he's cheering on his teammates,
Like he pours himself into his teammates. And when he
gets on the court, I mean, he plays so hard,
he practices so hard, and in return, I think he's
gonna be a phenomenal player. He's got ridiculous leadership qualities.
We brought in, um, you know the program, the military

(01:50:43):
guys that go around and speak to all these teams
and they give out an m v P at the
end of every session. And Jarvis was one of only
two freshmen, I think in the eight years of doing
it and got the m v P. So phenomenal leadership qualities. Uh,
and I think he's a really good player, mentioned Jordan Murphy.
So he's your you know, he's your starving along with
the mirror. And he's such a unique player because he's

(01:51:06):
so athletically gifted in terms of the ability to move
a man his size, garden multiple positions, and even though
he struggles to shoot the basketball and people in your
league lay off him, he uses that space a lot
most time. Early in the game he'll settle for a
couple in something yesterday he made him obviously, but if not,
then he'll take up that space and all of a sudden,
you've got a big guy kind of backpedaling as he

(01:51:26):
comes at them. Is that you're coaching or is that
a lack of ego and him understanding, Hey, I got space,
let me use this to my advantage one thousand percent
all lack of ego. Um, he most bigs have an
identity crisis. And I'll be I'll be honest with you.
I have never told him not to shoot at three,
but it just shows you the lack of attempts is.

(01:51:48):
He's a smart player. And you're exactly right. He is
so good at going downhill and getting a big to
back pedal, and he's phenomenal with his second jump because
he gets it up on the rim and when that
big land and he goes into guys and backs him
up and he's able to get it and clean up
his misses. Um, I think it's remarkable. His whole story

(01:52:10):
is pretty amazing. I mean to sign with VCU, who
obviously shocked the smart kids Texas. UM to be as
reliable as he's been, and you know, I talked about
it on a radio show yesterday, and of course I
jinx him. Could be a back spasms, but he's never
missed the game. He started every game but eleven games
he's never I can't remember maybe three practices he's missed.

(01:52:32):
So he brings it every day. But you're right about
one thing, like he has no ego. Um, there's no
beating his chest. He's had so many good plays and
He's never ever made it about him. He really is
a special kid. Well, listen, thanks much for joining his
congratulations on the win. Obviously, you know the prep is
not that long with Michigan State, but that doesn't make
it easy because that is a battle tested team in

(01:52:53):
one that you guys struggle with last time around. Uh,
wish you nothing but the best of luck and we'll
talk to you very very soon. All right, Thanks Doug.
All right, that's Richard Patino, head coach of the Minnesota
Golden Golfers. That program never's never really recovered from the
n c A sanctions back when they went to the
final four, and that was twenty one years twenty two

(01:53:17):
years ago, twenty two years ago. Let's get to Dan Buyer. Uh.
Dan Buyer was, you know, like he was a very
heavily recruited student athlete, took some money at the time,
and I want to talk about it, brought down several programs.
What do you got, Doug. We've got a lot of
hoops to talk about. Stuff that's happening right now. Buffalo
the six seed of the West Region, leading number eleven

(01:53:38):
seed Arizona State fifty five to thirty nine. Four minutes
gone by in the second half of that when the
winner of that game will face Texas Tech, who advanced
by beating Northern Kentucky today seventy two to fifty seven.
There is a Cinderella in the dance number four. Kansas

(01:53:58):
State goes down San Jose se four. You see Irvine
with the upset on Westwood one. So you see Irvine
advances to face either Wisconsin or Oregon. Right now, those
two schools are tied up at twenty five apiece at
the half, and their five twelve matchup in San Jose
and Columbia South Carolina. It wasn't easy for top seed Virginia.

(01:54:21):
In fact, they trailed the entire first half against sixteen
seed Gardner Webb, but the Calfs pulled away in the
second half once they got the lead. Virginia moves down
with the seventy one fifty six win. They got Oklahoma
now on Sunday, after the Sooners routed Old Miss to
seventy two. Iowa winner against Cincinnati in the South Region
to start off play today, seventy two Hawkeyes get the

(01:54:43):
two seed Tennessee after the Volunteers held off fifteen seed
Colgate seventy seven to seventy. Vanderbilt men's basketball coach Bryce
Drew won't return next season following three years on the job.
We'll be back to the Dug Gottlieb Show in ten seconds.
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(01:55:26):
sharing with you. Like, Look, I just this is why
I like what I do. I do, not just the
radio show, but doing the games. I like. I like
meeting people. And we've all Richard Petino's dad is a
Hall of Fame coach. My dad coached, you know, nineteen
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think he coached against you. Yes, you Mass was in

(01:55:48):
the U n I T Final four is in and
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think sin Cindy Katz, who booked us this outstanding show,
Let me make sure I got everybody that we've had.
We had Mark Turjon correct Maryland's head coach. We had
Burst Bruce prol on Auburn's head coach. We had Richard

(01:56:58):
Petino on Minnesota's head coach. We had Friend McCaffrey on
I always head coach. Did I miss anybody that's really
it's a really good We had Fran Dumfion UH Temples
now former head coach who just retired for losing the
first four and then Aaron Torres who has the same
number of wins I have in Division one but as

(01:57:19):
a as a coach. As a coach. Yeah, so let
me kind of further real quick on that. I want
to get tell all the stories of the day with
the press in a second. So what happens with this
uh with the team that goes day Israel. It's called
the Maccabi Games, like the Jewish Olympics. Is you have
to agree to it, like a year in advance. So
Bruce pro called me up. It's just like in the

(01:57:39):
summer of two thousand and eight and he's like, Hey,
I need assistant go to Israel. You know, I need
to come to Nashville to Knoxville at time. He's at
University of Tennessee. We're gonna have tryouts. Help me coach.
I'll let you coach. You do whatever you want. You know,
we'll run my offense, but you can you want to coach,
you know, set plays or whatever you want. Like you'll

(01:58:01):
let you do. It was like done, done, fly to
fly to Knoxville, great weekend, um select the team, come back.
You know, like, look, how was I supposed to know
that I threw one and you know, across the plate.
So I didn't know my wife, you know, was pregnant
at the time, but it was very very very early stages.
By the time I knew she was pregnant. Then we

(01:58:22):
had my son Hays in March. I was like, well,
maybe you should let me go to Israel in July.
And then you know, when April came around, they're like,
all right, we gotta book your tickets and everything, and
at that time it was a no go. So I
had to I haven't. I did get to coach training camp,
but didn't get to coach in Israel with him. But
these are all guys that I go way back with

(01:58:43):
and it's been just an awesome day. So thank you,
thank you, thank you Cindy for booking it. I hope
you're enjoying the hoops. Tennessee beat Colgate, Oregon, Wisconsin tied
at twenty five and a half. Virginia came from behind
the beat Gardener, Webb and Buffalo all over all over Arizona. Stay,
let's get you to the press, the press. M m

(01:59:08):
m m m m m m m damn bye. What
you got, Doug. Yeah, twenty point lead for Buffalo over
those sun Devils right now, nearing the midway part of
the second half sixties forty seven Badgers and Ducks tied
up at at the half of their five twelve matchup
in San Jose. Ratings are in for the first day
all the n C Double A tournament, and they were
the highest since nine. Doug is six point oh rating

(01:59:31):
with all the networks combined. You know, it's interesting. I mean,
the all the networks combined. I've this is amazing. We lived,
we have lived. If you lived the last twenty years,
you've seen dual national championships in college football, and you
remember this tournament used to be on one channel. And
try and tell somebody that now, right, yeah, try and

(01:59:55):
tell something then now, yeah, this thing used to be
on one channel and they would switch. Sometimes they switched.
They came off right when he was getting good. He's like, no, no,
what are you're doing. I don't know which one which?
Which part is more interesting? Right? The fact that we
used to have which which fact, fun fact is more
interesting that we used to have it on one channel,
or that we used to have dual national champions at

(02:00:15):
times in college football. God is absolutely amazing. I also
like now how they actually spread out games on Sunday.
You used to just have a triple header that had,
you know, one game to start and then you had
four games going on at one time and then three
in the next This is a little bit more spread
out so you can see things on Sunday. Hey, some

(02:00:36):
news from the NFL. The Raiders have signed quarterback Mike
Lennon to be the backup to Derek Carr, and the
Bleacher Report is saying the Falcons are working on a
deal for wide receiver Julio Jones that would make him
the highest paid wide receiver in the NFL. It makes
sense only is Julio is still in his prime. I

(02:01:00):
guess would be my question, right, Like, I know you can,
but should you correct it? Right? It? It? Julio Jones
is awesome, but I don't feel like if you pay
him over the next three years, that's not the three
best years of his career. Those three years might be
he might have one more year of being elite wide receiver,
just that that's what happens. Came off of a season
where he led the NFL and receiving last year. But

(02:01:22):
I agree with your point wholeheartedly. I'm not sure I
would do that. The Red Sox and ace pitcher Chris
Sale agreeing on a five year extensive worth one five
million dollars almost thirty million per four Sale almost seems
like a discount. Wasn't there a time in which he
was Was there a time when Chris Sale was? No
Chris Sale was with the White Sox. He was always awesome.

(02:01:42):
He was one of those guys like, man, can't wait
till he gets on a real team. He gets on
a real team, and he's been awesome. Worth it. And
the Mueller investigation is complete, handard over to the Attorney General.
John Ramos has more on this job. Just just kidding, No,
but that's true. Mueller investigation is over. So as we're
debating boys, CBS News is gonna have quite the dilemma

(02:02:02):
on how do you cover this with all the hoops
and all the news coming out? Something to watch for
on your weekend. Yeah, I don't think they'll get into
that during any of the coverage. Just to guess they
should see the top sixty eight tidbits of the Mueller investigation.
You know, Charles Barkley comment on the Mother it out
there and pressed, that was the press, We got it.

(02:02:25):
It is one of those things where it's it's kind
of like the FBI investigation in college basketball, like yeah,
we kind of decided what's already happened, Like I got yeah,
college basket, there's some guys cheating. Let me know who's cheating,
then we'll get rid of them. And then the Mother investigations,
like we kind of feel like we know what's what's
gonna come out. We just tell me how bad it is,
tell me how that is. Have a great weekend, enjoy

(02:02:46):
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