April 8, 2019 • 43 mins
Doug tells you why he wouldn’t have called a foul against Auburn in their loss to Virginia in the Final Four. He also thinks Antonio Brown is making a fool out of himself by continuing to talk poorly about former Steeler teammates. Plus, he talks to FS1 College Hoops analyst and Fox Sports Radio host Nick Bahe about tonight’s National Championship game between Virginia and Texas Tech.
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Are Farmers, We have a lot to get to. Net
star Jared Dudley will join us as the Brooklyn Nets
have done what previously would be unthinkable and other seasons
or maybe at the start of the season, they have
made the playoffs. Plus, I want to get his sense
of of of what happened on Saturday night in the
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n c A tournament and if he thought it was
a good call against Auburn. We'll get to that in
a moment. Mark Slaire at three times Stroup Bowl champion,
will join us a little bit later on the show.
Interesting back and forth between Antonio Brann and some fans,
which of course brought Juju Smith Schuster h into the
discussion why Antonio Brown is exactly who we thought he was.
Plus Jeff Goodman will join us and we'll find trying
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to find out if he knows who the next head
coach of u C l A would be since no
one else seems to know. There's an interesting NBA player's poll.
Nick Bob is gonna join me talk about tonight's game,
but let's let's start with Saturday night. Um. Look, I'm
I'm a former player, I'm the son of a coach,
and I do some coaching in my own right. And
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one of the things that I tell any kid who
plays for me, whether it was when I coached in
Israel or I coached fourth and fifth graders, is that
you cannot worry about the FETE. Is not your job
to worry about the officials. You're gonna get some good calls,
you're gonna get some bad calls, and and hopefully when
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you're uh, when you're on the green of your basketball career,
you'll be able to hold up a sign that says
under par. By by that, I mean you don't want
to be you don't. If you think of it honestly,
you'll think, all right, I got a couple of really
good calls really helped me, and I got a couple
of bad calls that winning if worst case scenario, you're
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at par or slightly over par. Bob Alvando is a
really talented radio host, of course is his late brother
was an incredible basketball coach in his own right. And
Bob Valvano he he actually keeps every scorecard from every
round of golf he's ever played, and he wants to
at some point late in his life have a caddy
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walk around that says like Valvano like overpar, like whatever.
His career over par is probably hard. Now. I think
in terms of sports, you'd like to think you and
your career at even par, maybe a little bit under. So, yeah,
you get some calls they go for you. Yeah, you
get some calls to get to go against you. The
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difference in this one is it's going to decide a
national champion and the difference in this one is it's
the second straight game where a violation has occurred by
Virginia and hasn't been called against Virginia. Here's the National
Championship deciding play in the final four Saturday night. Take
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a listen. Jeral slaps the basketball looking peering find Skuy
in the left corner. Four three is a winning no
good and the Tigers clawed back the white. Was there
a foul? The clock is at zero's but Auburn foul.
The shooter six tenths of a second left purefoid throws
it in Caughton Brown via sixty three Auburn sixty two.
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The Cavaliers will play for their first national championship. As
Kevin Coogler on Westwood One, this is the Doug Gottlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM, I will tell you
that we were seated our tickets, my son Hayes and
I were on the fifty yard line right at mid court.
We are probably thirty rows back, which are really good seats.
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And the play occurred in the exact opposite side of
the floor, and no one saw the foul cut. No
one actually heard the whistle blow because of the kind
of pandemonium in the arena, and there was a good
ten second delay before you realize Noah foul had been called.
And again remember it's a The domes are a different
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kind of setup where both benches are below the level
of the floor, so only the coach is up at
court level. But both teams players that started to creep
up onto the court and the album players for a
second celebrated and then realized that their celebrations were for
not will It's it's fair to give credit to Kyle
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Guy who knocked down three really hard free throws, and
then I thought answered questions as honestly as you could,
it's fair to say that there was technically a foul.
The problem with it is you missed a double dribble
that was right in front of two officials on the
on the very previous possession. And while Auburn shouldn't have
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Jared Harper shouldn't have missed a free throw. If he did,
those three free throws would have simply caused over time. Um,
they shouldn't have run under Kyle Guy. And by by definition,
I have no disputing that the definition of a foul,
And for years coaches have tried to say protect the shooter.
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Don't let a guy run underneath the shooter. The problem
is that's actually how Virginia plays defense for forty minutes,
is not necessarily running under guys, but as you go up,
they body up under you. This is how most really
good teams play in college basketball. They play man and
man and honestly, it's how I teach my kids to play,
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not necessarily going up underneath somebody when they're jumping, but
using their body and not their hands. There there's a
point of emphasis over the last five years in college
basketball where we call it freedom of movement. But really
what they want is they want to take kind of
the hand play, the hand checking or the chucking of guys.
They want to take that out of the game. And
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coaches that are smart, and Jay Wright is really smart,
and Tony Bennett is really smart and John b Line
is really smart. You look at what they tell you
you can do, and they say, well, that means you
can do something else, and what you can do is
play with your body. Matter of fact, Texas Tech last
year gave Villanova their toughest game, and we had Chris
Beard on the show and he talked about how hey
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all off season long. They practice what they call were
nova shots at our guys. As you go up to finish,
they push up and they kind of run up under you.
They run up under you. So by definition, is that
a foul? I guess, yeah, sure, But it didn't hit
his wrist, It didn't affect the jump shot. It simply
affected him when he was landing and coming down. Maybe
it affected him and not knowing if the guy was
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underneath him. But that's how Virginia plays, and they never
get called for fouls. So no, I wouldn't have called
a foul there, and I'm not disputing that a foul did,
in fact, by a letter of law, did exist. And
then the n c A does itself no favors by
only commenting on that play and not the miss double
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dribble because the miss double dribbles an non call and
we don't comment on non calls. So wait, wait, wait,
if you if you hold on on a miss double dribble,
you're not gonna comment because it wasn't called. If that
wasn't called a foul, you wouldn't have had a comment
on it. It doesn't make any sense. And oh yeah,
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by the way, here we go on the misjudgment calls,
and what's going to become of the n b A,
I mean the NFL. The NFL is gonna be misjudgment calls. Okay,
So that's like past interference and if in fact occurred
and by in slow motion, it did incur. But a
lot of times at the end of games, we let
things go and we let the players make place and
you've got to finish through contact. That's what they tell
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you at the rim. Like if he's driving to the
rim in the exact same contact occurse, it is not
called a foul, no way. But again, we could go
back in the NFL and review that play, but we
couldn't review the misdouble dribble. We want a perfect game,
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we want a perfectly officiated game, but games are officiated
completely imperfect imperfectly, And the more in which we open
up to try and create perfection, the worst it's going
to be, and the more pronounced the replays are gonna be,
or the delays by replay. So look, I don't think
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it's not a dirty championship game or championship run potentially
by Virginia. It's nothing short of miraculous. May here's a
team that was eliminated from the n c A Tournament
in the first round. Is the first one seed to
lose to a sixteen seed that was just last year,
that wasn't like a couple of years ago, just last year.
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And to suffer that humiliated defeat, turn around win the
a c C and then get to the Final four,
get to a national championship nothing short of incredible. But
in the previous game, when they were down two points
and they missed a free throw Tide Jerome, it was
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a lane violation on the mis free throw wasn't called.
And in this game, a double drow will by Ty
Jerome wasn't called. Do you need some luck and some fortune? Sure,
but man, they've got more than their share. And now
all of a sudden are they Are? They a team
of destiny. For the record, as much as I believe
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in protecting the shooters, I would not have called a
foul on that play, not because I don't think a
foul occurred, but because one, that's how Virginia plays. And two,
in that particular instance, I think it was sold a
little bit extra by Kyle Guy. I don't like guys
that I hate the Reggie Miller move, the kick out
the legs move. I don't think it's the end of
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the world, but I do think that a championship deciding
play where the shot was actually not affected in a
style of defense the other team plays. And while two
wrongs don't make it right, if you've actually played basketball,
you'll know. Oftentimes, say a ball is deflected off of
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one team, but the other team committed a foul which
led to the deflection. Sometimes we just even it up
by by giving the basketball to the team that it
should be rightfully, there's even if it didn't go off
their hand, and we're left with a lot of confusion,
a lot of discussion. I generally think that most people
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who played, most people would probably agree with me. I
put a clip of the two thousand and It was
a two thousand and three national championship game where Kansas
lost to Syracuse. If you watch the last second shot,
Syracuse ran into the shooter after after you released the basketball,
wasn't called, wasn't reviewed, nobody talked about it. But because
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they call was made, suddenly it's made more pronounced, and
we have forgotten that. Generally, you let things go at
the end of the game, and you let the players decide,
be sure to catch live editions. So the Doug Dot
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up on a man, Nick Boh, He of course played
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k you and at CU they'll be Creighton University. And
now you hear him broadcast on Fox Sports One, and
you hear him on Fox Sports Ready on the weekends. Nick, foul,
no foul? Would you have You're standing there and you're
right there in the baseline, would you have called it?
I like to think I would have, just because if
you you would think, if you're official, you would adhere
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to how the rule is written, and technically, as Gene
Territory laid it out, you you have to allow the
shooter to be able to land, and in that regard,
it was a foul. I think the hard part, though,
is when you frame it in the sense of, let's say,
there wasn't a whistle. Are we all up in arms
like we were at the end of the NFC Championship game?
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Now I get that that was like the most egregious
no call maybe in the history of sports, given the stage.
I don't know if we are I don't know if
we're all sitting there going, oh my gosh, can you
believe they didn't call a foul on guys three in
the corner? But at the end of the day, it
was a foul. And for me, I don't know. I
don't know where you're at, Dug. I'm curious to get
your take on this. Like, as a player, I feel
like there's this understood thing at the end of games
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where it's like, you know, the whole rest swallowing the whistle.
To me, all that stuff is away from the ball,
like rebounding, fighting through a screen, all that stuff. Like
that stuff is a war. Anybody has ever been on
the floor on the final possession, it is a war
away from the ball. But on the ball you want
to think that the shooters and the ball handlers can
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still get protected. So ultimately I think they got it right.
But you know, it wasn't necessarily just clear as day. Uh,
if it wouldn't have been called with people being upset,
how bad was the misdevil drible? From your perspective, I
didn't I didn't go crazy in the moment, And so
that's something I always want to think about, is in
the moment did I freak out? And I didn't. I
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think I was maybe just like the ref caught up
in Okay, Auburn's gonna foul, They got fouls to give.
When are they gonna foul? How are they gonna let
Jerome go down the floor a little bit? And you know,
in the moment, I don't think I noticed that it
went off his foot. Uh So, I don't want to
be disingenuous and act like I knew it in the
moment was a brutal call. But I'm also not a
paid official on the biggest stage of college basketball that's
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paid to see that and make that call. But they
were also they were also in position to make that.
It wasn't I I understand that. You could say, hey,
there's two officials. One of the officials, you're you're turning
your head, you're running down the floor, you're trying to
get in position right, and there is And that's the
hard part about about the eyewitnesses is sometimes you're just
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out of position. But there's another the trail official is
looking right at the play and look like he saw
it and just hesitated for a second and didn't make
the call. And you know, to the same like, hey, look,
if we're gonna be a letter to the log guy,
that's fine, and I agree with you, Like, there's a
lot of people that missed it. They're not officials, those
guys are. That's one I'm sorry. You can't miss Yeah,
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you know, unfortunately, that's the thing. I mean, when you're
on that stage and your job is to you know,
officiate the game, it's you can't miss that call. And
so it's it's frustrating. We talk about back to back,
just gut punch plays for Auburn, unbelievable miss double dribble
and then you know, the foul on the three. Just
just remarkable sequence of events that leads to Virginia standing
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Nick Bob joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. They survived for a second second straight time.
I mean, just remin I'll tell you the thing that's
lost is Tony Bennett takes out tied Jerome with four
and a half minutes ago with four fouls, Like he dude,
your team commits the least amount of fouls of any
team in the tournament, and you have a veteran player
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who's not going to commit his fifth foul and the
team totally lost momentum, and that's how Auburn got the lead.
I mean, they survived in spite of Tony. I think
if you asked him, he would probably admit as such. Yeah,
and it's always hard. It's a it's a damned if
you do damned if you don't situation for coaches at times.
But so many coaches, I think don't understand that there
are certain moments in the game where the game is
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going to be decided in the next to two minutes
to three minutes, where whether or not it's even going
to be close in the final nineties seconds. So you
can sit there and say, boy, we need tied Jerome
at the end of the game. Well, if you have
them on the floor for the next two or three minutes,
it's gonna be this thing is gonna be on ice,
and he's gonna be chilling on the bench in the
final ninety seconds. So I'm with you. I would have
kept Jerome on the floor, not only because of of
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how important the next few minutes we're gonna be, but
as everything you just pointed out, Doug, I mean, Virginia
doesn't foul Tied. Jerome's a really smart guy. I don't
think he would have picked up his uh his fifth
vowel and and don't kid yourself that was that was
the sequence, man. I mean that opened the door for
Auburn to get it rolling. And then Virginia got a
little bit stuck on offense, and before you know it,
that thing got went. You went from a nine point
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game or a ten point game to all of a sudden,
Auburn was in the driver's seat. It was. It was
a crazy, crazy turnaround. How do they match up a
Texas Tech? I really like Texas Tech tonight. I think uh,
I think when you when you think about how matchups
are everything, and for the way Texas Tech is built defensively,
I think they're built to eat up Virginia and their
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offense with some of the pin downs and flares, I
think they're gonna gonna switch a lot of those and
press out. The other thing that they want to do.
They want to heat up the ball. They're gonna get
under Clark. Uh. The one thing they'll also do is
they'll keep the ball on the sideline, Doug. You know
that they like to keep it on the side and
when they're doing a lot of their offense Virginia. That is,
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they want the ball in the middle of the floor,
So I think Clark is gonna have a tough time
seeing things. And when you're a team that can switch
and press out, you turn teams into one on one teams.
And I don't think Virginia is built to beat you
one on one. They need screens, they need pin downs,
they need flares to to get an advantage, and so not. Ultimately,
I think there's gonna be a close game. I'd be
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really surprised at the you know, the under four minute
time out that if this isn't a one possession game,
and uh and and and that's just because of how
these two teams are built. But I just think the
way Texas Chech is built defensively, I really feel like
the Red Raiders are gonna eat up Virginia's offense. Um,
what what do you make of Chris of Matt Mooney
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and his offensive explosion in the tournament? Like, I love it. Obviously,
he's an older guy. He's started Air Force and then
went to South Dakota, and he's been really well coached
at both places. But it's fascinating to watch him kind
of pick apart these teams in the n c A
tournament it is, I mean, and you know there you
better believe there's a lot of low major players and
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mid major players saying himself, See if I got on
the big stage, I could kill two And you just
never know how it is you and I talked to
your podcast Doug, like, a lot of it is situation.
A lot of it is how you're viewed by your
coaching staff and your and your teammates. You can tell
that Chris Beard has a lot of confidence in the Mooney.
You can tell his teammates got a lot confidence in Mooney,
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and they allow for him to be aggressive and go
make plays. Uh. And and he's kind of clearly in
a good rhythm right now. And it's it's a pretty cool,
uh situation for for a guy in Mooney where and
and it's gonna be interesting to see what d n
c A does. They've slid the grad transfer structure under
the microscope now. Now obviously a lot of these guys
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like Mooney or Tarikohen's they come in there there for
a year as a graduate student, knowing full well that
you cannot get your graduate degree in just one year.
But it's kind of like a reward for Hey, you've
done all the right things, you've graduated, we're gonna give
you the freedom. It'll be interesting to see if you'll
see that kind of go away in college basketball, because
that's become a big part of the transfer market and
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how teams kind of fill holes when you lose a
Zaire Smith, for instance, to the NBA that i'd imagine
a year ago Chris Beer didn't think would happen. Yeah,
you know, it's it's interesting we only look at I look.
I wonder what you what your opinion of it is.
I'll share with you mine. Uh. It destroys lower low
major teams, right, just clearly destroys them. And there's this
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idea that people have in mind like, oh, well, you
just get a guy who's the best player in a
low major team, and of course they're gonna be really
good at a high major. And that hasn't really occurred
nearly as often as the opposite. I'll give you. I'll
give you two guys who played for Oklahoma. Right, they
had Miles Reynolds who came over from Pacific Um and then, uh,
what's the little guard they had from They came from
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from Maine, um Aaron Aaron calixty like the two of them,
they were very good, and you know they end up
destroying Pacific and Maine wasn't good. But may Maine not
a coaching change, and now they you know, man again
has no players remaining. Uh. John Kremo who comes from Albany. Right,
he's the best player in his league, or one of
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the best players in his league. He transfers from Albany
to Villanova. Ain't not good enough to play at Villanova,
and so Villanova, you know, he signs him and uses him.
But in the meantime it destroys Albany. It's like, we
really are destroying those low major programs, taking away their
their their best player. On the other hand, you do
want to reward a kid for doing things the right
way and graduating um on time or early. Yeah, it's
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there's so many different layers to it. You want to
be in the business of rewarding what we say we
want out of college basketball. The guy, you know, takes
care of business on and off the court, he goes
to class and graduates. You want to say, all right,
my man, you did your thing. Go ahead and go
wherever you want to go and ball out for your
final year. But I totally agree where it just decimates
some of these low major mid major schools where they
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just get cherry picked with their top players, and it's
tough for them to build those veteran teams that ultimately
that's how a Pacific or a Rice or you know,
even like a Saint Jose State Brandon Clark, Ryan Welich,
those tuds like went off and helped Xavier and helped
help Gonzaga like it. It hurts some of those teams
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ability to build a team that's ultimately gonna make a run.
But I just there's a part of me that has
a hard time, you know, restricting some of these guys
after what what if? What if when they transferred they
have to sit a here, so you get six so
you get six? Uh for For people to understand that
the expression normally you get five for four, which means
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you get five years to complete four years of playing.
What if the reward is you get a six year
but still just a fourth year to compete. I wouldn't
I wouldn't be opposed to that, and but the reality is,
you know what that would do That would deter a
lot of guys from wanting to go do it because
I because I still you know, the whole transfer situation. Uh,
you know, I was a guy that transferred. Um, everybody
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transfers for different situation reasons, and we tend to paint
with a broad brush. I mean, I think that's a
little bit unfair. But I I don't mind the whole
rule that you have to sit out, you know, because
I do think there does need to be some sort
of deterrent from guys leaving, And there is no greater
deterrent than sitting on the bench for a year. Nobody
wants to do that. Everybody wants to play, So I
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do think that has to be some sort of happy medium.
I don't mind that. Uh what you what you throw
out there, and and if you forced guys to sit
out and then give him another year, but I just
I don't want him to be in the business of
restriction when guys take care of their class work. What
do you like tonight? I love the Red Raiders, man,
I I think uh, I think ultimately both these teams
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are gonna have to make plays at the end the
shot clock. That is obvious. Uh. And I think between
Mooney and I think Culver, I like their their late
shot clock playmakers a little bit more. I do think
the status of Rika Owens is going to be important,
you know, with their ability to switch things and then
protect the rim. But yeah, I just I think Texas
Tech has built to gobble up Virginia, uh and what
they do offensively. So I think Chris Beard gonna be
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drinking some Cooer's lights, bud Lights, Miller lights whatever he
he he pounds tonight after they cut down nets. Who
do you think, so ul a head coach? I was this.
I was gonna hope you you could tell me this
is remarkable, absolutely remarkable. I thought the Rick Barnes thing
potentially made sense, uh, you know, without the massive buyout
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that that U c l A. I don't know how
they didn't understand the situation with Jamie Dixon. I think
Jamie Dixon's really good coach. I think he's one of
those guys that would have been, like, you know, coach Altman.
Dane Altman was like Oregon's eighth or ninth choice, and
look what they landed into. I mean, a guy that's
gone the final four's and done a good job. I
think Jamie Dixon could have been similar in that mold.
But I don't know. What do you you tell me?
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I think they end up waiting on the two guys
coach to night. I I do think that there's there's
something about Beard they're not into, which is stupid to me. Um,
but uh, I think I wouldn't stun me if Billy
Donovan ends up being the guy, wouldn't stun me. You know,
if they end up playing this kind of winning game
without trying to play a waiting game, don't get what
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they want to go. You know, let's just wait a
week or two and see what happens with Billy Donovan,
which I think ultimately could be like a Dane Altmon
where you end up getting unbelievable coach even though you
you completely screwed up the search. I totally agree. I
think Billy Donovan be a home run all things considered.
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That's five o'clock Eastern time to o'clock Pacific A long
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much for the knowledge in the hoops and we'll talk
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live edition. So the Doug Got Leap Show week days
at noon Eastern three pm Pacific. Do you guys see this?
Antonio Brown back and forth with a fan Basically, Um,
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Antonio Brown tweeted out, you know that you gotta kind
of keep your emotions in check type deal, which is funny, right,
like the ultimate irony pot meat kettle. Antonio Brown telling
others about keeping their emotions in check. Anyway, So um,
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someone quote retweeted him that Jujuice Smith Schuster was the
Pittsburgh Steelers m v P. Antonio Brown tweeted back, emotion
the boy fumbled the whole postseason in the biggest game
of the year. Everyone went blind too, too busy making
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guys famous enough reality these days, by the way, checked
check the list. Um. Antonio Brown then on his Instagram
page did what look? I think this is dirty business.
Direct messages are not to be posted. They're just not
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like that is private and confidential. But in this particular case,
this is where Antonio Brown he didn't even know how
he makes himself look even worse, there's a private message
from Juju Smith Schuster when he left college. What's up
by b I'm receiver at the University of Southern California.
I appreciate your work. You're a great man on and
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off the field. Do you have any hips that can
help my game to the next get my game to
the next level. Thanks man. That's Juju Smith Schuster. It
comes across as respectful of both him as a player
and as a grown man asking for help. Antonio Brown
thinks by putting this out on his Instagram page like, look,
me and Juju are good. Meanwhile, Juju smith Schuster tweeted that,
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you know, like, hey, I was nice to you regardless
I thought we were boys. Antonio Brown is so far
off the reservation he has no ability to be uh introspective.
He just doesn't. He doesn't see how the world sees him,
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which is not just selfish, he's gonna maniacal um even vindictive,
but the type of guy that would forget about biting
the hand that fed him when he was in Pittsburgh.
This is a guy that will turn on anybody, even
someone who handles themselves the plumb as as as Juju
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Smith Schuster has I think we can all conclude Antonio
Brown super thin skinned, bad guy, very very talented, super
skin thinned, thin skinned bad dude. Why would you possibly
think about throwing Juju Smith Schuster under the bus? Why
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would you do that to make yourself look better? And
then when called out on it by Jude, He's like, look, Juju,
he's always looked up to me. We're good. No, you're
not good. That was before he knew who you really were,
and even before you know you start tweeting at random people.
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Now we know who you really are. Of course, Juju's
done with you. The Steelers already knew. That's why they
were done with you. That's why I've told you for
a long time the Steelers have chosen character and culture
over talent. No one's disputing Antonio Brown's town, but his
character strikes can can strike at the heart of the
culture of a team. Um, this is interesting. If you
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look guys with higher yards per attempt, then David Carr
in two thousand eighteen, Nick Derek Card They said, David
Derek Carr, Sorry, Nick Mullins, Marcus Mariotta, Eli Manning, Mitchell Drobiskie,
Dak Prescott, higher career yards per attempt than David Carr,
Marcus Mariotta, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Ryan Tannehill, case Keenum.
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He's tied with Josh McCown, Blake Bortles, and Joe Flacco.
He's basically being accused of being captain checked down, getting
the rid of the ball quickly and not pushing the
ball down the football field. And guess who's gonna be
opened down the football field or delver covered down the
football field? Be Antonio Brown. This is going to be
a fascinating experiment to see how it plays out. Fox
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Doug Gallas shows. Thank you with us. Yeah, I'm here man,
How are you, buddy? I'm really really good. Rosen first
guy in the building. He's pretending like he's all in
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Cardinals saying, of course he's gonna show up. They're pretending
like they're all in. Where do you think Ultimately Josh
Rosen plays football next year? Um, not with the Cardinals.
I mean I can't like, I can't imagine them not
trying to move him at some point in the quarterback
it's friday back quarterback driven league. It's a quarterback deprived league.
So there is gonna be somebody that evaluated him high
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last year that's going to get him for a late second,
early third round pick. But if you go after Kyler Mrie,
that's the decision you've made. Certainly, Josh Rosen doesn't fit
into that style of offense. So if that's the decision
you've already made, you know, I mean to me, you're
not gonna keep both of those guys. They don't they
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don't match. The skill sets are not similar. So I've
got to believe that he's not going to be playing
um for the Arizona Cardinals next year for sure. Okay,
So so where does it? Where does he fit? Like? Uh,
I mean, the Redskins already traded for a quarterback, but
maybe he becomes their guy. The Giants need an air apparent,
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but they're they're saying, at least telling people openly that
that Eli is still their guy, at least for this
year and maybe in the next year. The Chargers need
to need a guy, but they decided to sign to
Tyrod Taylor, So maybe they don't need a guy the
Patriots need to back up. But did the Patriots really
want to give up any equity to get a backup
quarterback when they have Tom Brady? Like, where do you
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think the best fit is? Yeah? Or what about the
Miami Dolphins? I mean they signed Fitzpatrick is their guy?
Is that is that a landing spot for a Josh
Rosen where he comes in and you know, maybe sits
on the bench. One thing we know about Fitzpatrick, He's
gonna have two magnificent games followed by two just absolute
garbage games. So that's kind of been the story of
his career. So is would that be a fit right there?
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I like the New England Patriots kind of move um,
you know, because one of the things that that they
always seem to be able to do is you know,
take that thirty first overall pick or that thirty second
overall pick and move back and parlay it into multiple
draft picks and the next thing you know, you've got
three second rounders and you know, two third rounders or
two seconds and the three thirds, And could you could
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you move on a Josh Rosen for a third rounder
to the Arizona Cardinals, Like something like that just seems
so belocheck in to me that that that seems like
a place where maybe he may go and kind of
get a year of quote unquote football rehab underneath Tom
Brady and just see how that kind of pans out.
So that one makes a lot of sense to me.
Um as well, Yeah, this this whole thing though, that
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the Cardinals have done nothing to really help his trade value,
and I just I don't really understand that. Flash, even
if you want Kyler Murray, why haven't the whole time
you said Josh Rosen is awesome Cliff Kingsbury has been
brought in to fix Josh, to help Josh Rosen become awesome,
Like why has there been this? Like why why have
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they done what they've done with the asset that is
Josh Rosen. Yeah, well that's someone that doesn't make a
whole lot of sense. But again you're talking about the
Arizona Cardinals, and and here in the last two years,
not a whole lot is mate. Since um, you know,
the whole Kyler Murray thing I believe goes back to
when Cliff Kingsbury was in college at Texas Tech saying, boy,
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if I had that guy, you know, but that guy,
I'd make him the first overall pick. And so the
speculation was out there. The fascination with Kyler Murray was
out there for Kilip Kingsbury and and obviously in the
air raide system that they run. Um, you know, Josh
Rosen just doesn't a fifth for that. Uh you know,
he he grew up in a different offense. He's a
different caliber type player, and um, you know, and and
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there were a lot of draft knicks and a lot
of kind of draft gurus last year they talked about
him being you know, him having the most NFL ready
skill set of all the quarterbacks coming out last year.
So yeah, they've done a terrible job of kind of
hiding their feelings towards Kyler Murray and what they want
to become. Um, they did have a veiled attempt to
bring Nick Bosa and you know, and like, hey, look
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we're actually looking at Nick Bosa, but nobody fought into it. So, um,
that's kind of where they sit right now. They've done
a horrible job in regards to you know, creating value
for uh, you know, for Josh Rosen. Certainly and um,
and but you know, they seem to be infatuated with
the Kyla Murray kids, and so that looks like the
direction they're gonna go. Obviously, all right, to help me
out With Antonio Brown, for whatever reason, he chooses to
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engage on social media on Twitter with fans who don't
like him, even though he believes that he's over the
Pittsburgh thing. Then he throws Juju Smith Schuster under the
bus and then in a in a a in an
attempt to like defend himself, like to say say, hey,
I'm cool with Juju, even though Juju answer to tweet
and obviously it's not cool with what he said in
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terms of the kid fumbled in the biggest game of
the year. Um, Like, look, here's here's a here's a
direct message of Juju reaching out to me back when
he played in college. Like that still doesn't undo it.
What's your read on what this says about Antonio Brown
the person? Well, I mean, obviously the immaturity level um
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is epic. Um, you know, forcing his way out of Pittsburgh.
You know, he's like, you know, he's like the guy
that uh you know that breaks up with a girl
and and instead of saying, Hey, it's not you, it's me,
He's like, no, no, it's it's you. I broke up
with you because I don't like you. Um. You know. Again,
it points to the immaturity um with which he deals
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with with people in general. And but I think it's
deeper than that. I think I think it's um systemic
within the organization, aation like they have not held people
accountable within that organization, whether it's Antonio Brown, whether it's Bell,
whether it's Ben Roethlisberger, whoever the case may be. UM
and and they've allowed guys to act this way. You're
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either coaching it or you're allowing it to happen. And
in Pittsburgh they allowed it to happen. And the worst
thing that can happen to a guy like Antonio Brown
is he can act like that. He can be late
to things, he can show up, you know, and and
decide not to work that day. I mean, all reports
that he's incredibly hard worker. But I've always felt this way,
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and I've talked to my teammates about this before. If
you show up late to anything, and this is just
in life in general. UM, it's it is one of
the most disrespectful acts. In my mind, that there is
you show up late to a team function, you show
up late to a team meeting, you're essentially saying, my
time is more valuable than your time. You know, my
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family's more important than your family. I'm more important than
you because I can't show up on time. And when
you allow that to happen. And in Pittsburgh, behind closed doors,
the people that I talked to, it was it was
an epidemic. I mean he was. It was constant with
that particular guy, and you allowed it to happen because
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of his talent, and it created a guy that is, uh,
that's it creates a monster. It creates a guy that's
completely self absorbed and um, you know, and it's in
this for him and you're good, He'll go to the Raiders,
he'll get playing targets. I feel like he's a guy
that doesn't care about winning games. You know, he's that
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guy that you can lose as long as he's got
ten targets at hud and sixty five yards. You know,
he goes out that night says, man, it wasn't on me,
but if you win, and he's got four targets for
sixty yards, Well, there's gonna be hell to play at
some point, and and that you can't win in this league.
You can't win championships with that turd. It's just you know,
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I don't care. You can put sprinkles on it, or
pour chocolate sauce on it. It's still a turd. And
it does. It feels like the Pittsburgh's Heather's really one today, right,
like they just did um even though they took a
huge cap it it feels like they they won the
post trade discussion. Anybody who questions why it was done,
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they just look at social media and they go there,
you go, right, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey, we tried to
make it work. It didn't work. You know, we'll take it.
We'll we'll take our lumps, and we've got to we've
got to internally fix some things that are wrong with organization.
But the first step in fixing what's wrong with the
organization is fixing the biggest issue within your organization. And
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you know, on the outside looking in, and you know,
and I say that, and you know, we're all on
the outside looking in. Most of us have contacts within
the organization that would tell you, you know, it was
it was this was the way he operated, the way
he did business. Um, that is a I'm a hundred
percent on board with you. The Steelers have have taken
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that first step to kind of cleansing what's wrong with
their organization by getting rid of that guy. How do
you think the Cleveland thing plays out? Isn't it interesting?
I mean having done one of their games late in
the season last year, Doug and being at the practice,
um and just watching their game tape. That is a
talented football team. I mean both lines of scrimmage. Incredibly
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talented offensive line, defensive line. Um, you've got some talented linebackers.
I thought the secondary of the Browns was exceptionally talented
as I was watching them play together. Um, the receiving
corps obviously, the back field. I mean, this is this
is a super talented team. Now again, can all those
egos and all those personalities fit and can you get
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you know, can you get everybody involved so everybody's got
a part of that winning. Um. I think the one
thing that lends itself to them having some success is
there's no question that that that Baker Mayfield is the leader.
Like that Baker Mayfield has so much respect within that organization,
and and I feel like they've got the right guy
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pulling the trigger to make sure that everybody's on board,
and everybody's kind of pulling um on the same page,
so to speak, so that that part's interesting. I mean,
if they if they can amass all these personalities and
all those guys can play for one another, um, they're
their rosters as talented as anybody's roster in this league.
I did mention that the giants have come out and said, hey, Eliza,
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guy this year, maybe even next year. And look, I'll
grant you that teams don't always do what they say, right.
They don't. On the other hand, they've Geentleman for the
most part, has done what he said he will do.
It feels like everybody else thinks that's a mistake. Everybody
else thinks Eli Manning is washed or very very close
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to being washed. What do you think of what Dave
Gentleman has come out and set Well, here's Dave Gentleman
in a nutshell. Dave Gentleman is a believer, and I'm
gonna build the lines of scrimmage. I'm gonna I'm basically
going to control the line of scrimmage, and in control
a line of scrimmage. Weren't have an opportunity to protect
our quarterback, and we're don't have an opportunity to win.
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And you know, I look at what they did. You're
not winning. If you don't fix your line of scrimmage.
You can have two or three O'Dell Beckham Jr. You're
not gonna win. You can't. And so Dave Gentleman looks
at Odell Beckham and goes, he's incredibly talented. But if
we can't fix what really ails this team, we can
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have him for the next three years. We're still not
gonna win even with that talent and and them, where
are we, Like, where are we at that point? So
the fact that you move on from him, you get
valuable assets in his in his place. Um, I'll tell
you a very underrated move they made was the guard Zeidler,
who was a first round pick for the Cincinnati Bengals
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and then went over to Cleveland. He played exceptionally well
last year, big body kid, thick um and and can
really play. And so it's helps solidify them on the inside,
something they've had real trouble with. If as far as
protecting Eli Manning and nobody you know, nobody talks about that,
but that's how Dave get him in constructive football team. Um,
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everywhere he's been, that's the way he's put him together.
So I actually kind of liked the moves because you know,
there's everybody's dependent on one another playing well. But there's
no position that's more dependent in the National Football League
than than the wide receiver position. I mean, if you're
not why if ten of the guys aren't doing their
job exceptionally well, the wide receivers don't get a sniff
the ball and at you know, at some point they
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they I don't know how they became superstars. You know
they became. They get their individual ISOs on Sunday, you know,
and everybody's got the ISO cam on the receiver and
he makes one brilliant play and all of a sudden,
he's the reason you're winning. And I would still argue,
you know, show me the one free agent wide receiver
they went to a different team, and um, you know
it was the difference in them going to the super
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Bowl and I'm going to Super Bowl. It just doesn't happen.
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Are Farmers, We have a lot to get to. Net
star Jared Dudley will join us as the Brooklyn Nets
have done what previously would be unthinkable and other seasons
or maybe at the start of the season, they have
made the playoffs. Plus, I want to get his sense
of of of what happened on Saturday night in the
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n c A tournament and if he thought it was
a good call against Auburn. We'll get to that in
a moment. Mark Slaire at three times Stroup Bowl champion,
will join us a little bit later on the show.
Interesting back and forth between Antonio Brann and some fans,
which of course brought Juju Smith Schuster h into the
discussion why Antonio Brown is exactly who we thought he was.
Plus Jeff Goodman will join us and we'll find trying
(01:27):
to find out if he knows who the next head
coach of u C l A would be since no
one else seems to know. There's an interesting NBA player's poll.
Nick Bob is gonna join me talk about tonight's game,
but let's let's start with Saturday night. Um. Look, I'm
I'm a former player, I'm the son of a coach,
and I do some coaching in my own right. And
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one of the things that I tell any kid who
plays for me, whether it was when I coached in
Israel or I coached fourth and fifth graders, is that
you cannot worry about the FETE. Is not your job
to worry about the officials. You're gonna get some good calls,
you're gonna get some bad calls, and and hopefully when
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you're uh, when you're on the green of your basketball career,
you'll be able to hold up a sign that says
under par. By by that, I mean you don't want
to be you don't. If you think of it honestly,
you'll think, all right, I got a couple of really
good calls really helped me, and I got a couple
of bad calls that winning if worst case scenario, you're
(02:32):
at par or slightly over par. Bob Alvando is a
really talented radio host, of course is his late brother
was an incredible basketball coach in his own right. And
Bob Valvano he he actually keeps every scorecard from every
round of golf he's ever played, and he wants to
at some point late in his life have a caddy
(02:55):
walk around that says like Valvano like overpar, like whatever.
His career over par is probably hard. Now. I think
in terms of sports, you'd like to think you and
your career at even par, maybe a little bit under. So, yeah,
you get some calls they go for you. Yeah, you
get some calls to get to go against you. The
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difference in this one is it's going to decide a
national champion and the difference in this one is it's
the second straight game where a violation has occurred by
Virginia and hasn't been called against Virginia. Here's the National
Championship deciding play in the final four Saturday night. Take
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a listen. Jeral slaps the basketball looking peering find Skuy
in the left corner. Four three is a winning no
good and the Tigers clawed back the white. Was there
a foul? The clock is at zero's but Auburn foul.
The shooter six tenths of a second left purefoid throws
it in Caughton Brown via sixty three Auburn sixty two.
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The Cavaliers will play for their first national championship. As
Kevin Coogler on Westwood One, this is the Doug Gottlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM, I will tell you
that we were seated our tickets, my son Hayes and
I were on the fifty yard line right at mid court.
We are probably thirty rows back, which are really good seats.
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And the play occurred in the exact opposite side of
the floor, and no one saw the foul cut. No
one actually heard the whistle blow because of the kind
of pandemonium in the arena, and there was a good
ten second delay before you realize Noah foul had been called.
And again remember it's a The domes are a different
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kind of setup where both benches are below the level
of the floor, so only the coach is up at
court level. But both teams players that started to creep
up onto the court and the album players for a
second celebrated and then realized that their celebrations were for
not will It's it's fair to give credit to Kyle
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Guy who knocked down three really hard free throws, and
then I thought answered questions as honestly as you could,
it's fair to say that there was technically a foul.
The problem with it is you missed a double dribble
that was right in front of two officials on the
on the very previous possession. And while Auburn shouldn't have
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Jared Harper shouldn't have missed a free throw. If he did,
those three free throws would have simply caused over time. Um,
they shouldn't have run under Kyle Guy. And by by definition,
I have no disputing that the definition of a foul,
And for years coaches have tried to say protect the shooter.
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Don't let a guy run underneath the shooter. The problem
is that's actually how Virginia plays defense for forty minutes,
is not necessarily running under guys, but as you go up,
they body up under you. This is how most really
good teams play in college basketball. They play man and
man and honestly, it's how I teach my kids to play,
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not necessarily going up underneath somebody when they're jumping, but
using their body and not their hands. There there's a
point of emphasis over the last five years in college
basketball where we call it freedom of movement. But really
what they want is they want to take kind of
the hand play, the hand checking or the chucking of guys.
They want to take that out of the game. And
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coaches that are smart, and Jay Wright is really smart,
and Tony Bennett is really smart and John b Line
is really smart. You look at what they tell you
you can do, and they say, well, that means you
can do something else, and what you can do is
play with your body. Matter of fact, Texas Tech last
year gave Villanova their toughest game, and we had Chris
Beard on the show and he talked about how hey
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all off season long. They practice what they call were
nova shots at our guys. As you go up to finish,
they push up and they kind of run up under you.
They run up under you. So by definition, is that
a foul? I guess, yeah, sure, But it didn't hit
his wrist, It didn't affect the jump shot. It simply
affected him when he was landing and coming down. Maybe
it affected him and not knowing if the guy was
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underneath him. But that's how Virginia plays, and they never
get called for fouls. So no, I wouldn't have called
a foul there, and I'm not disputing that a foul did,
in fact, by a letter of law, did exist. And
then the n c A does itself no favors by
only commenting on that play and not the miss double
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dribble because the miss double dribbles an non call and
we don't comment on non calls. So wait, wait, wait,
if you if you hold on on a miss double dribble,
you're not gonna comment because it wasn't called. If that
wasn't called a foul, you wouldn't have had a comment
on it. It doesn't make any sense. And oh yeah,
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by the way, here we go on the misjudgment calls,
and what's going to become of the n b A,
I mean the NFL. The NFL is gonna be misjudgment calls. Okay,
So that's like past interference and if in fact occurred
and by in slow motion, it did incur. But a
lot of times at the end of games, we let
things go and we let the players make place and
you've got to finish through contact. That's what they tell
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you at the rim. Like if he's driving to the
rim in the exact same contact occurse, it is not
called a foul, no way. But again, we could go
back in the NFL and review that play, but we
couldn't review the misdouble dribble. We want a perfect game,
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we want a perfectly officiated game, but games are officiated
completely imperfect imperfectly, And the more in which we open
up to try and create perfection, the worst it's going
to be, and the more pronounced the replays are gonna be,
or the delays by replay. So look, I don't think
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it's not a dirty championship game or championship run potentially
by Virginia. It's nothing short of miraculous. May here's a
team that was eliminated from the n c A Tournament
in the first round. Is the first one seed to
lose to a sixteen seed that was just last year,
that wasn't like a couple of years ago, just last year.
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And to suffer that humiliated defeat, turn around win the
a c C and then get to the Final four,
get to a national championship nothing short of incredible. But
in the previous game, when they were down two points
and they missed a free throw Tide Jerome, it was
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a lane violation on the mis free throw wasn't called.
And in this game, a double drow will by Ty
Jerome wasn't called. Do you need some luck and some fortune? Sure,
but man, they've got more than their share. And now
all of a sudden are they Are? They a team
of destiny. For the record, as much as I believe
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in protecting the shooters, I would not have called a
foul on that play, not because I don't think a
foul occurred, but because one, that's how Virginia plays. And two,
in that particular instance, I think it was sold a
little bit extra by Kyle Guy. I don't like guys
that I hate the Reggie Miller move, the kick out
the legs move. I don't think it's the end of
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the world, but I do think that a championship deciding
play where the shot was actually not affected in a
style of defense the other team plays. And while two
wrongs don't make it right, if you've actually played basketball,
you'll know. Oftentimes, say a ball is deflected off of
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one team, but the other team committed a foul which
led to the deflection. Sometimes we just even it up
by by giving the basketball to the team that it
should be rightfully, there's even if it didn't go off
their hand, and we're left with a lot of confusion,
a lot of discussion. I generally think that most people
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who played, most people would probably agree with me. I
put a clip of the two thousand and It was
a two thousand and three national championship game where Kansas
lost to Syracuse. If you watch the last second shot,
Syracuse ran into the shooter after after you released the basketball,
wasn't called, wasn't reviewed, nobody talked about it. But because
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they call was made, suddenly it's made more pronounced, and
we have forgotten that. Generally, you let things go at
the end of the game, and you let the players decide,
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up on a man, Nick Boh, He of course played
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k you and at CU they'll be Creighton University. And
now you hear him broadcast on Fox Sports One, and
you hear him on Fox Sports Ready on the weekends. Nick, foul,
no foul? Would you have You're standing there and you're
right there in the baseline, would you have called it?
I like to think I would have, just because if
you you would think, if you're official, you would adhere
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to how the rule is written, and technically, as Gene
Territory laid it out, you you have to allow the
shooter to be able to land, and in that regard,
it was a foul. I think the hard part, though,
is when you frame it in the sense of, let's say,
there wasn't a whistle. Are we all up in arms
like we were at the end of the NFC Championship game?
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Now I get that that was like the most egregious
no call maybe in the history of sports, given the stage.
I don't know if we are I don't know if
we're all sitting there going, oh my gosh, can you
believe they didn't call a foul on guys three in
the corner? But at the end of the day, it
was a foul. And for me, I don't know. I
don't know where you're at, Dug. I'm curious to get
your take on this. Like, as a player, I feel
like there's this understood thing at the end of games
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where it's like, you know, the whole rest swallowing the whistle.
To me, all that stuff is away from the ball,
like rebounding, fighting through a screen, all that stuff. Like
that stuff is a war. Anybody has ever been on
the floor on the final possession, it is a war
away from the ball. But on the ball you want
to think that the shooters and the ball handlers can
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still get protected. So ultimately I think they got it right.
But you know, it wasn't necessarily just clear as day. Uh,
if it wouldn't have been called with people being upset,
how bad was the misdevil drible? From your perspective, I
didn't I didn't go crazy in the moment, And so
that's something I always want to think about, is in
the moment did I freak out? And I didn't. I
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think I was maybe just like the ref caught up
in Okay, Auburn's gonna foul, They got fouls to give.
When are they gonna foul? How are they gonna let
Jerome go down the floor a little bit? And you know,
in the moment, I don't think I noticed that it
went off his foot. Uh So, I don't want to
be disingenuous and act like I knew it in the
moment was a brutal call. But I'm also not a
paid official on the biggest stage of college basketball that's
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paid to see that and make that call. But they
were also they were also in position to make that.
It wasn't I I understand that. You could say, hey,
there's two officials. One of the officials, you're you're turning
your head, you're running down the floor, you're trying to
get in position right, and there is And that's the
hard part about about the eyewitnesses is sometimes you're just
(14:38):
out of position. But there's another the trail official is
looking right at the play and look like he saw
it and just hesitated for a second and didn't make
the call. And you know, to the same like, hey, look,
if we're gonna be a letter to the log guy,
that's fine, and I agree with you, Like, there's a
lot of people that missed it. They're not officials, those
guys are. That's one I'm sorry. You can't miss Yeah,
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you know, unfortunately, that's the thing. I mean, when you're
on that stage and your job is to you know,
officiate the game, it's you can't miss that call. And
so it's it's frustrating. We talk about back to back,
just gut punch plays for Auburn, unbelievable miss double dribble
and then you know, the foul on the three. Just
just remarkable sequence of events that leads to Virginia standing
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Nick Bob joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. They survived for a second second straight time.
I mean, just remin I'll tell you the thing that's
lost is Tony Bennett takes out tied Jerome with four
and a half minutes ago with four fouls, Like he dude,
your team commits the least amount of fouls of any
team in the tournament, and you have a veteran player
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who's not going to commit his fifth foul and the
team totally lost momentum, and that's how Auburn got the lead.
I mean, they survived in spite of Tony. I think
if you asked him, he would probably admit as such. Yeah,
and it's always hard. It's a it's a damned if
you do damned if you don't situation for coaches at times.
But so many coaches, I think don't understand that there
are certain moments in the game where the game is
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going to be decided in the next to two minutes
to three minutes, where whether or not it's even going
to be close in the final nineties seconds. So you
can sit there and say, boy, we need tied Jerome
at the end of the game. Well, if you have
them on the floor for the next two or three minutes,
it's gonna be this thing is gonna be on ice,
and he's gonna be chilling on the bench in the
final ninety seconds. So I'm with you. I would have
kept Jerome on the floor, not only because of of
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how important the next few minutes we're gonna be, but
as everything you just pointed out, Doug, I mean, Virginia
doesn't foul Tied. Jerome's a really smart guy. I don't
think he would have picked up his uh his fifth
vowel and and don't kid yourself that was that was
the sequence, man. I mean that opened the door for
Auburn to get it rolling. And then Virginia got a
little bit stuck on offense, and before you know it,
that thing got went. You went from a nine point
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game or a ten point game to all of a sudden,
Auburn was in the driver's seat. It was. It was
a crazy, crazy turnaround. How do they match up a
Texas Tech? I really like Texas Tech tonight. I think uh,
I think when you when you think about how matchups
are everything, and for the way Texas Tech is built defensively,
I think they're built to eat up Virginia and their
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offense with some of the pin downs and flares, I
think they're gonna gonna switch a lot of those and
press out. The other thing that they want to do.
They want to heat up the ball. They're gonna get
under Clark. Uh. The one thing they'll also do is
they'll keep the ball on the sideline, Doug. You know
that they like to keep it on the side and
when they're doing a lot of their offense Virginia. That is,
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they want the ball in the middle of the floor,
So I think Clark is gonna have a tough time
seeing things. And when you're a team that can switch
and press out, you turn teams into one on one teams.
And I don't think Virginia is built to beat you
one on one. They need screens, they need pin downs,
they need flares to to get an advantage, and so not. Ultimately,
I think there's gonna be a close game. I'd be
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really surprised at the you know, the under four minute
time out that if this isn't a one possession game,
and uh and and and that's just because of how
these two teams are built. But I just think the
way Texas Chech is built defensively, I really feel like
the Red Raiders are gonna eat up Virginia's offense. Um,
what what do you make of Chris of Matt Mooney
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and his offensive explosion in the tournament? Like, I love it. Obviously,
he's an older guy. He's started Air Force and then
went to South Dakota, and he's been really well coached
at both places. But it's fascinating to watch him kind
of pick apart these teams in the n c A
tournament it is, I mean, and you know there you
better believe there's a lot of low major players and
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mid major players saying himself, See if I got on
the big stage, I could kill two And you just
never know how it is you and I talked to
your podcast Doug, like, a lot of it is situation.
A lot of it is how you're viewed by your
coaching staff and your and your teammates. You can tell
that Chris Beard has a lot of confidence in the Mooney.
You can tell his teammates got a lot confidence in Mooney,
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and they allow for him to be aggressive and go
make plays. Uh. And and he's kind of clearly in
a good rhythm right now. And it's it's a pretty cool,
uh situation for for a guy in Mooney where and
and it's gonna be interesting to see what d n
c A does. They've slid the grad transfer structure under
the microscope now. Now obviously a lot of these guys
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like Mooney or Tarikohen's they come in there there for
a year as a graduate student, knowing full well that
you cannot get your graduate degree in just one year.
But it's kind of like a reward for Hey, you've
done all the right things, you've graduated, we're gonna give
you the freedom. It'll be interesting to see if you'll
see that kind of go away in college basketball, because
that's become a big part of the transfer market and
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how teams kind of fill holes when you lose a
Zaire Smith, for instance, to the NBA that i'd imagine
a year ago Chris Beer didn't think would happen. Yeah,
you know, it's it's interesting we only look at I look.
I wonder what you what your opinion of it is.
I'll share with you mine. Uh. It destroys lower low
major teams, right, just clearly destroys them. And there's this
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idea that people have in mind like, oh, well, you
just get a guy who's the best player in a
low major team, and of course they're gonna be really
good at a high major. And that hasn't really occurred
nearly as often as the opposite. I'll give you. I'll
give you two guys who played for Oklahoma. Right, they
had Miles Reynolds who came over from Pacific Um and then, uh,
what's the little guard they had from They came from
(20:29):
from Maine, um Aaron Aaron calixty like the two of them,
they were very good, and you know they end up
destroying Pacific and Maine wasn't good. But may Maine not
a coaching change, and now they you know, man again
has no players remaining. Uh. John Kremo who comes from Albany. Right,
he's the best player in his league, or one of
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the best players in his league. He transfers from Albany
to Villanova. Ain't not good enough to play at Villanova,
and so Villanova, you know, he signs him and uses him.
But in the meantime it destroys Albany. It's like, we
really are destroying those low major programs, taking away their
their their best player. On the other hand, you do
want to reward a kid for doing things the right
way and graduating um on time or early. Yeah, it's
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there's so many different layers to it. You want to
be in the business of rewarding what we say we
want out of college basketball. The guy, you know, takes
care of business on and off the court, he goes
to class and graduates. You want to say, all right,
my man, you did your thing. Go ahead and go
wherever you want to go and ball out for your
final year. But I totally agree where it just decimates
some of these low major mid major schools where they
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just get cherry picked with their top players, and it's
tough for them to build those veteran teams that ultimately
that's how a Pacific or a Rice or you know,
even like a Saint Jose State Brandon Clark, Ryan Welich,
those tuds like went off and helped Xavier and helped
help Gonzaga like it. It hurts some of those teams
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ability to build a team that's ultimately gonna make a run.
But I just there's a part of me that has
a hard time, you know, restricting some of these guys
after what what if? What if when they transferred they
have to sit a here, so you get six so
you get six? Uh for For people to understand that
the expression normally you get five for four, which means
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you get five years to complete four years of playing.
What if the reward is you get a six year
but still just a fourth year to compete. I wouldn't
I wouldn't be opposed to that, and but the reality is,
you know what that would do That would deter a
lot of guys from wanting to go do it because
I because I still you know, the whole transfer situation. Uh,
you know, I was a guy that transferred. Um, everybody
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transfers for different situation reasons, and we tend to paint
with a broad brush. I mean, I think that's a
little bit unfair. But I I don't mind the whole
rule that you have to sit out, you know, because
I do think there does need to be some sort
of deterrent from guys leaving, And there is no greater
deterrent than sitting on the bench for a year. Nobody
wants to do that. Everybody wants to play, So I
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do think that has to be some sort of happy medium.
I don't mind that. Uh what you what you throw
out there, and and if you forced guys to sit
out and then give him another year, but I just
I don't want him to be in the business of
restriction when guys take care of their class work. What
do you like tonight? I love the Red Raiders, man,
I I think uh, I think ultimately both these teams
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are gonna have to make plays at the end the
shot clock. That is obvious. Uh. And I think between
Mooney and I think Culver, I like their their late
shot clock playmakers a little bit more. I do think
the status of Rika Owens is going to be important,
you know, with their ability to switch things and then
protect the rim. But yeah, I just I think Texas
Tech has built to gobble up Virginia, uh and what
they do offensively. So I think Chris Beard gonna be
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drinking some Cooer's lights, bud Lights, Miller lights whatever he
he he pounds tonight after they cut down nets. Who
do you think, so ul a head coach? I was this.
I was gonna hope you you could tell me this
is remarkable, absolutely remarkable. I thought the Rick Barnes thing
potentially made sense, uh, you know, without the massive buyout
(24:05):
that that U c l A. I don't know how
they didn't understand the situation with Jamie Dixon. I think
Jamie Dixon's really good coach. I think he's one of
those guys that would have been, like, you know, coach Altman.
Dane Altman was like Oregon's eighth or ninth choice, and
look what they landed into. I mean, a guy that's
gone the final four's and done a good job. I
think Jamie Dixon could have been similar in that mold.
But I don't know. What do you you tell me?
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I think they end up waiting on the two guys
coach to night. I I do think that there's there's
something about Beard they're not into, which is stupid to me. Um,
but uh, I think I wouldn't stun me if Billy
Donovan ends up being the guy, wouldn't stun me. You know,
if they end up playing this kind of winning game
without trying to play a waiting game, don't get what
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they want to go. You know, let's just wait a
week or two and see what happens with Billy Donovan,
which I think ultimately could be like a Dane Altmon
where you end up getting unbelievable coach even though you
you completely screwed up the search. I totally agree. I
think Billy Donovan be a home run all things considered.
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Antonio Brown back and forth with a fan Basically, Um,
(25:32):
Antonio Brown tweeted out, you know that you gotta kind
of keep your emotions in check type deal, which is funny, right,
like the ultimate irony pot meat kettle. Antonio Brown telling
others about keeping their emotions in check. Anyway, So um,
(25:54):
someone quote retweeted him that Jujuice Smith Schuster was the
Pittsburgh Steelers m v P. Antonio Brown tweeted back, emotion
the boy fumbled the whole postseason in the biggest game
of the year. Everyone went blind too, too busy making
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guys famous enough reality these days, by the way, checked
check the list. Um. Antonio Brown then on his Instagram
page did what look? I think this is dirty business.
Direct messages are not to be posted. They're just not
(26:37):
like that is private and confidential. But in this particular case,
this is where Antonio Brown he didn't even know how
he makes himself look even worse, there's a private message
from Juju Smith Schuster when he left college. What's up
by b I'm receiver at the University of Southern California.
I appreciate your work. You're a great man on and
(26:58):
off the field. Do you have any hips that can
help my game to the next get my game to
the next level. Thanks man. That's Juju Smith Schuster. It
comes across as respectful of both him as a player
and as a grown man asking for help. Antonio Brown
thinks by putting this out on his Instagram page like, look,
me and Juju are good. Meanwhile, Juju smith Schuster tweeted that,
(27:21):
you know, like, hey, I was nice to you regardless
I thought we were boys. Antonio Brown is so far
off the reservation he has no ability to be uh introspective.
He just doesn't. He doesn't see how the world sees him,
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which is not just selfish, he's gonna maniacal um even vindictive,
but the type of guy that would forget about biting
the hand that fed him when he was in Pittsburgh.
This is a guy that will turn on anybody, even
someone who handles themselves the plumb as as as Juju
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Smith Schuster has I think we can all conclude Antonio
Brown super thin skinned, bad guy, very very talented, super
skin thinned, thin skinned bad dude. Why would you possibly
think about throwing Juju Smith Schuster under the bus? Why
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would you do that to make yourself look better? And
then when called out on it by Jude, He's like, look, Juju,
he's always looked up to me. We're good. No, you're
not good. That was before he knew who you really were,
and even before you know you start tweeting at random people.
(28:46):
Now we know who you really are. Of course, Juju's
done with you. The Steelers already knew. That's why they
were done with you. That's why I've told you for
a long time the Steelers have chosen character and culture
over talent. No one's disputing Antonio Brown's town, but his
character strikes can can strike at the heart of the
culture of a team. Um, this is interesting. If you
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look guys with higher yards per attempt, then David Carr
in two thousand eighteen, Nick Derek Card They said, David
Derek Carr, Sorry, Nick Mullins, Marcus Mariotta, Eli Manning, Mitchell Drobiskie,
Dak Prescott, higher career yards per attempt than David Carr,
Marcus Mariotta, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Ryan Tannehill, case Keenum.
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He's tied with Josh McCown, Blake Bortles, and Joe Flacco.
He's basically being accused of being captain checked down, getting
the rid of the ball quickly and not pushing the
ball down the football field. And guess who's gonna be
opened down the football field or delver covered down the
football field? Be Antonio Brown. This is going to be
a fascinating experiment to see how it plays out. Fox
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Doug Gallas shows. Thank you with us. Yeah, I'm here man,
How are you, buddy? I'm really really good. Rosen first
guy in the building. He's pretending like he's all in
(30:22):
Cardinals saying, of course he's gonna show up. They're pretending
like they're all in. Where do you think Ultimately Josh
Rosen plays football next year? Um, not with the Cardinals.
I mean I can't like, I can't imagine them not
trying to move him at some point in the quarterback
it's friday back quarterback driven league. It's a quarterback deprived league.
So there is gonna be somebody that evaluated him high
(30:44):
last year that's going to get him for a late second,
early third round pick. But if you go after Kyler Mrie,
that's the decision you've made. Certainly, Josh Rosen doesn't fit
into that style of offense. So if that's the decision
you've already made, you know, I mean to me, you're
not gonna keep both of those guys. They don't they
(31:05):
don't match. The skill sets are not similar. So I've
got to believe that he's not going to be playing
um for the Arizona Cardinals next year for sure. Okay,
So so where does it? Where does he fit? Like? Uh,
I mean, the Redskins already traded for a quarterback, but
maybe he becomes their guy. The Giants need an air apparent,
(31:27):
but they're they're saying, at least telling people openly that
that Eli is still their guy, at least for this
year and maybe in the next year. The Chargers need
to need a guy, but they decided to sign to
Tyrod Taylor, So maybe they don't need a guy the
Patriots need to back up. But did the Patriots really
want to give up any equity to get a backup
quarterback when they have Tom Brady? Like, where do you
(31:48):
think the best fit is? Yeah? Or what about the
Miami Dolphins? I mean they signed Fitzpatrick is their guy?
Is that is that a landing spot for a Josh
Rosen where he comes in and you know, maybe sits
on the bench. One thing we know about Fitzpatrick, He's
gonna have two magnificent games followed by two just absolute
garbage games. So that's kind of been the story of
his career. So is would that be a fit right there?
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I like the New England Patriots kind of move um,
you know, because one of the things that that they
always seem to be able to do is you know,
take that thirty first overall pick or that thirty second
overall pick and move back and parlay it into multiple
draft picks and the next thing you know, you've got
three second rounders and you know, two third rounders or
two seconds and the three thirds, And could you could
(32:32):
you move on a Josh Rosen for a third rounder
to the Arizona Cardinals, Like something like that just seems
so belocheck in to me that that that seems like
a place where maybe he may go and kind of
get a year of quote unquote football rehab underneath Tom
Brady and just see how that kind of pans out.
So that one makes a lot of sense to me.
Um as well, Yeah, this this whole thing though, that
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the Cardinals have done nothing to really help his trade value,
and I just I don't really understand that. Flash, even
if you want Kyler Murray, why haven't the whole time
you said Josh Rosen is awesome Cliff Kingsbury has been
brought in to fix Josh, to help Josh Rosen become awesome,
Like why has there been this? Like why why have
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they done what they've done with the asset that is
Josh Rosen. Yeah, well that's someone that doesn't make a
whole lot of sense. But again you're talking about the
Arizona Cardinals, and and here in the last two years,
not a whole lot is mate. Since um, you know,
the whole Kyler Murray thing I believe goes back to
when Cliff Kingsbury was in college at Texas Tech saying, boy,
(33:36):
if I had that guy, you know, but that guy,
I'd make him the first overall pick. And so the
speculation was out there. The fascination with Kyler Murray was
out there for Kilip Kingsbury and and obviously in the
air raide system that they run. Um, you know, Josh
Rosen just doesn't a fifth for that. Uh you know,
he he grew up in a different offense. He's a
different caliber type player, and um, you know, and and
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there were a lot of draft knicks and a lot
of kind of draft gurus last year they talked about
him being you know, him having the most NFL ready
skill set of all the quarterbacks coming out last year.
So yeah, they've done a terrible job of kind of
hiding their feelings towards Kyler Murray and what they want
to become. Um, they did have a veiled attempt to
bring Nick Bosa and you know, and like, hey, look
(34:22):
we're actually looking at Nick Bosa, but nobody fought into it. So, um,
that's kind of where they sit right now. They've done
a horrible job in regards to you know, creating value
for uh, you know, for Josh Rosen. Certainly and um,
and but you know, they seem to be infatuated with
the Kyla Murray kids, and so that looks like the
direction they're gonna go. Obviously, all right, to help me
out With Antonio Brown, for whatever reason, he chooses to
(34:45):
engage on social media on Twitter with fans who don't
like him, even though he believes that he's over the
Pittsburgh thing. Then he throws Juju Smith Schuster under the
bus and then in a in a a in an
attempt to like defend himself, like to say say, hey,
I'm cool with Juju, even though Juju answer to tweet
and obviously it's not cool with what he said in
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terms of the kid fumbled in the biggest game of
the year. Um, Like, look, here's here's a here's a
direct message of Juju reaching out to me back when
he played in college. Like that still doesn't undo it.
What's your read on what this says about Antonio Brown
the person? Well, I mean, obviously the immaturity level um
(35:27):
is epic. Um, you know, forcing his way out of Pittsburgh.
You know, he's like, you know, he's like the guy
that uh you know that breaks up with a girl
and and instead of saying, Hey, it's not you, it's me,
He's like, no, no, it's it's you. I broke up
with you because I don't like you. Um. You know. Again,
it points to the immaturity um with which he deals
(35:52):
with with people in general. And but I think it's
deeper than that. I think I think it's um systemic
within the organization, aation like they have not held people
accountable within that organization, whether it's Antonio Brown, whether it's Bell,
whether it's Ben Roethlisberger, whoever the case may be. UM
and and they've allowed guys to act this way. You're
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either coaching it or you're allowing it to happen. And
in Pittsburgh they allowed it to happen. And the worst
thing that can happen to a guy like Antonio Brown
is he can act like that. He can be late
to things, he can show up, you know, and and
decide not to work that day. I mean, all reports
that he's incredibly hard worker. But I've always felt this way,
(36:37):
and I've talked to my teammates about this before. If
you show up late to anything, and this is just
in life in general. UM, it's it is one of
the most disrespectful acts. In my mind, that there is
you show up late to a team function, you show
up late to a team meeting, you're essentially saying, my
time is more valuable than your time. You know, my
(36:59):
family's more important than your family. I'm more important than
you because I can't show up on time. And when
you allow that to happen. And in Pittsburgh, behind closed doors,
the people that I talked to, it was it was
an epidemic. I mean he was. It was constant with
that particular guy, and you allowed it to happen because
(37:20):
of his talent, and it created a guy that is, uh,
that's it creates a monster. It creates a guy that's
completely self absorbed and um, you know, and it's in
this for him and you're good, He'll go to the Raiders,
he'll get playing targets. I feel like he's a guy
that doesn't care about winning games. You know, he's that
(37:41):
guy that you can lose as long as he's got
ten targets at hud and sixty five yards. You know,
he goes out that night says, man, it wasn't on me,
but if you win, and he's got four targets for
sixty yards, Well, there's gonna be hell to play at
some point, and and that you can't win in this league.
You can't win championships with that turd. It's just you know,
(38:01):
I don't care. You can put sprinkles on it, or
pour chocolate sauce on it. It's still a turd. And
it does. It feels like the Pittsburgh's Heather's really one today, right,
like they just did um even though they took a
huge cap it it feels like they they won the
post trade discussion. Anybody who questions why it was done,
(38:22):
they just look at social media and they go there,
you go, right, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey, we tried to
make it work. It didn't work. You know, we'll take it.
We'll we'll take our lumps, and we've got to we've
got to internally fix some things that are wrong with organization.
But the first step in fixing what's wrong with the
organization is fixing the biggest issue within your organization. And
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you know, on the outside looking in, and you know,
and I say that, and you know, we're all on
the outside looking in. Most of us have contacts within
the organization that would tell you, you know, it was
it was this was the way he operated, the way
he did business. Um, that is a I'm a hundred
percent on board with you. The Steelers have have taken
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that first step to kind of cleansing what's wrong with
their organization by getting rid of that guy. How do
you think the Cleveland thing plays out? Isn't it interesting?
I mean having done one of their games late in
the season last year, Doug and being at the practice,
um and just watching their game tape. That is a
talented football team. I mean both lines of scrimmage. Incredibly
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talented offensive line, defensive line. Um, you've got some talented linebackers.
I thought the secondary of the Browns was exceptionally talented
as I was watching them play together. Um, the receiving
corps obviously, the back field. I mean, this is this
is a super talented team. Now again, can all those
egos and all those personalities fit and can you get
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you know, can you get everybody involved so everybody's got
a part of that winning. Um. I think the one
thing that lends itself to them having some success is
there's no question that that that Baker Mayfield is the leader.
Like that Baker Mayfield has so much respect within that organization,
and and I feel like they've got the right guy
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pulling the trigger to make sure that everybody's on board,
and everybody's kind of pulling um on the same page,
so to speak, so that that part's interesting. I mean,
if they if they can amass all these personalities and
all those guys can play for one another, um, they're
their rosters as talented as anybody's roster in this league.
I did mention that the giants have come out and said, hey, Eliza,
(40:40):
guy this year, maybe even next year. And look, I'll
grant you that teams don't always do what they say, right.
They don't. On the other hand, they've Geentleman for the
most part, has done what he said he will do.
It feels like everybody else thinks that's a mistake. Everybody
else thinks Eli Manning is washed or very very close
(41:00):
to being washed. What do you think of what Dave
Gentleman has come out and set Well, here's Dave Gentleman
in a nutshell. Dave Gentleman is a believer, and I'm
gonna build the lines of scrimmage. I'm gonna I'm basically
going to control the line of scrimmage, and in control
a line of scrimmage. Weren't have an opportunity to protect
our quarterback, and we're don't have an opportunity to win.
(41:21):
And you know, I look at what they did. You're
not winning. If you don't fix your line of scrimmage.
You can have two or three O'Dell Beckham Jr. You're
not gonna win. You can't. And so Dave Gentleman looks
at Odell Beckham and goes, he's incredibly talented. But if
we can't fix what really ails this team, we can
(41:42):
have him for the next three years. We're still not
gonna win even with that talent and and them, where
are we, Like, where are we at that point? So
the fact that you move on from him, you get
valuable assets in his in his place. Um, I'll tell
you a very underrated move they made was the guard Zeidler,
who was a first round pick for the Cincinnati Bengals
(42:04):
and then went over to Cleveland. He played exceptionally well
last year, big body kid, thick um and and can
really play. And so it's helps solidify them on the inside,
something they've had real trouble with. If as far as
protecting Eli Manning and nobody you know, nobody talks about that,
but that's how Dave get him in constructive football team. Um,
(42:24):
everywhere he's been, that's the way he's put him together.
So I actually kind of liked the moves because you know,
there's everybody's dependent on one another playing well. But there's
no position that's more dependent in the National Football League
than than the wide receiver position. I mean, if you're
not why if ten of the guys aren't doing their
job exceptionally well, the wide receivers don't get a sniff
the ball and at you know, at some point they
(42:47):
they I don't know how they became superstars. You know
they became. They get their individual ISOs on Sunday, you know,
and everybody's got the ISO cam on the receiver and
he makes one brilliant play and all of a sudden,
he's the reason you're winning. And I would still argue,
you know, show me the one free agent wide receiver
they went to a different team, and um, you know
it was the difference in them going to the super
(43:08):
Bowl and I'm going to Super Bowl. It just doesn't happen.
Great stuff stink. That's three times Super Bowl champion Mark Slareth.
Of course, You can see him NFL on Fox and
on all Fox Sports one daily TV shows. Thanks so
much for joining us anytime, Doggy
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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