Did Virginia get lucky?

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and full disclosure, I was there with my son Hayes.
We Instead of attending the game like a media member,
I attended the game like a fan. I sat are
probably twenty rows back mid court, great seats, thanks thanks

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to the good folks at Infinity and the coaches versus Cancer.
Amazing seats in fact, and I don't know how it
looked on TV. I don't I you know, those games
tend to CBS is a really good job making them
look really pretty and really clean. But they always saw
all looked the same, like all domes look the same.
You look like you're separated from the crowd. They're up

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on a grand stage, which they are. But if it's
possible for a seventy two thousand seats stadium, that's how
many people who were there, seventy two six o two.
To be intimate, they nailed it last night. It was
you know, I can't this is full full disclosure. I
really good seats, really good seats. And my son's ten.

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And Saturday is a long day. You know, You've got
two games that even though the Virginia game Virginia Auberd
game came down to the wire, it still went short.
Probably went just over two hours, you know, when there's
like a two and a a half hour block form thirty
or seven minutes in between. And look, we had the
run of the place. We had a great set up
with with the there's a sky box we could go

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to to get food. And in spite of the fact
there's it's a long day. And so Sunday I played
in this Pringles celebrity game, which was a ton of fun.
I told you about it yesterday. And so after after that,
we went to Mall of America and I thought, you know,
we could catch a flight home here, do the radio

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show from home, watch it on TV, have some people over,
and not be worse for the wear because of it.
Sell those tickets and even though usually Monday night tickets
are not nearly as valuable overall, you know, I mean,
I'm not supposed to sell free tickets, but could have
made some money for my wares, right, could have made
some money for my wares. So I'm we're walking to

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the game after um doing the radio show. Am I
son was he was tired. Were we're on them people
about sleep and it's a lot of travel. And he's
a little guy and he NonStop playing basketball, swimming, doing
just doing stuff, and on my schedule where I don't
sleep a ton, you know, he was tired, and he

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was like, man, maybe we should watch it on TV.
It's gonna be boring anyway. And I was like, you
know what, Bud, I've never watched the championship game with you.
You're the only guy I want to watch a championship
game with. In years to come. Um, yeah, in years

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to come, absolutely, we can think about heading home on
a Sunday, but this time, let's go watch it. And
he's like, all right. And the first half and the
first slant stands of the game, it was pretty slow.
But by the second half and the second part of
the second half, the last six minutes, everybody's standing. Everybody's
including my son, who was able to like stand on

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his seat because it's the only way to see over
everybody who's standing from and it was phenomenal. And I'm
walking back and he's talking to me and I'm like, dude,
I'm still buzzing because that was an amazing, amazing game,
amazing game. Here's Tony Bennett after the game explaining how
last year affected this year. The quote that my wife

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actually just saw. She went to that Ted talk and
it you talk about being almost prophetic. What that says
if you learn to use it right the adversity, it
will buy you a ticket to a place who couldn't
have gone any other way. And I don't know, maybe
we could have, but I don't know. Going through what
we did last year and having to you know, it
helped me as a coach. All the stuff that they

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talked about. I think bought us a ticket to a
national championship. Um, maybe I'll say this. I think it's
among the it's maybe the luckiest run in the history
of sports. Dead two rights beaten in three consecutive games
against three really good teams, and they find a way
to escape. I guess Perdue a great team. I don't know,

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but Perdue won the Big Ten. Is Auburn a great team?
I don't know, but they won the SEC tournament? And
I in Texas Tech won the Big twelve? Like those
are three really really good teams, three teams, and you
don't my My point about bringing up that they have
won some form of championship is you only win a
conference you only win a conference tournament championship if you

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know how to close out games and to be down
three last night with fifteen seconds and come back and win,
to be down four, you know, with twenty seconds the
night before, two nights before, and come back and win.
And then you go back to Purdue down three with
five seconds to go, send it to overtime and come

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back and win like that, And people get really mad
when you say, man, were they lucky? Like? Look luck?
The definition of luck is when timing and preparation collide, right,
and that's what he's talking about, Like what happened last year,
prepared to us for this timing and it all worked out.

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But man, were they lucky? And the word luck because
it's it's like, it's like the four letter L word. Well,
don't you say we were lucky? We were good? Well,
you have to be good to get yourself close. But
they were, without any question, lucky, fortunate, whatever word you
want to use, but I'll use luck. You know why
because before every game, what do you wish your teammate,

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what do you wish your friends? Heck, what do you
even wish your opponent? Good luck? And yet somehow luck
is this four letter L word where if you say
it afterwards, you're the worst person on earth. Not only
were they lucky in terms of the shots that went
in and the shots that were missed and the adjustments

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that were made or weren't made, but hell, they were
lucky that we have the use of instant replay and
that we have to go by letter, not spirit of
the law. And there's a play in overtime where Moretti's
driving down down the court after a steel and the
balls hit out of his hands, and we go and
we look at it. It Now, look in basketball, if

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you played enough basketball, you know this to be true.
You know this to be true that in basketball sometimes
the ball will go off you, but you got fouled,
and the raft instead of arguing whether who the ball
went off and or or hearing you that you they
missed a call, they just give you the ball. But
now we've gotten to this point because there's under two
minutes instant replay. We can go to the monitor anytime

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and we find letter of the law and not spirit
of the law. And I would point out that replays
kind of ruined stuff, you know, like it's okay for
us to go back and just see that replay deflecting
deflecting the ball to bounds went off of Moretti, but

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down three in overtime. In overtime, Kyle Guy drives trips
over his own teammates foot Texas Tech gets called for
a foul and there's no ability to use replay. And
if I were to tell you, hey, ten years ago,
we shouldn't allow smartphones to exist because they're gonna suck

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up every ounce of our attention. They're gonna take away
from our ability of our kids to have conversations. You know,
it's just going to completely change the dynamic of who
we are and what we're about. No question. Um you
would say, okay, maybe, and then you see a smartphone

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You're like, man, no ways, I can't. I mean, listen.
I had a true story. We had two backpack at
a rental car and I thought I locked it. Maybe
I didn't. It was in a parking garage. I get
up at three thirty this morning to fly home and
there are no there are no backpacks in there. I
lost a computer and iPad and a phone and it was, frankly,

(09:15):
my son's phone. It was my phone. Like as devastated
I as I am, having to file police report, having
to talk to insurance, you know, having to explain to
my son what I did wrong. And even if I
did wrong, doesn't make it okay for somebody to steal
in all that stuff. Can I imagine if I didn't
have a cell phone, if I wasn't able to communicate
with the rest of the world. On the other hand,

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when we would be better off when we actually spoke
to one another, like when we had you know, busy
signals when we called in so as you knew somebody
else's on the phone, you had to wait and maybe
you could go over their house and have an actual
face to face conversation. Like I get that replay gives
us a perfect depiction of what actually happened, but you know,

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there's other things that we can't replace. So it's completely imperfect.
And last night was the perfect display of it. If
I were to tell you could do without replay, like
why would we do without perfecting something or getting calls right?
On the other hand, stopping the game, creating time outs
where they didn't organically exist, going back and forth, and

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still probably screwing up the call to begin with. And
you can't you can't correct a foul call which is
not on the team that it was it was called on.
There's a certain amount of luck to that for Virginia
and bad luck for Texas Tech. And there's also this
thought of we have reached the point in sports where

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our desire to get every call right has completely made
sports unwatchable and frankly unofficiate, uh unable to be officiated
um in the spirit in which we desire, Why would
you make a call? You can't make a call like, look,

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the the reason that replay exists, is so that egregious
errors are overturned, and I didn't think anything they went
to replay four was out that egregious. But you point
to the monitors under two minutes, we gotta do it.
Stop everything. Oh wait, we reviewed fifteen sixteen times. I

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thought replay in many ways screwed up what was a
magnificent sporting event. And through no fault of their own,
Virginia was incredibly lucky to benefit from a couple of calls,
a couple of replays, a couple of made shots, and
it just so happens to be the third consecutive game

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in which they have been remarkably I mean remarkably fortunate,
and I'm not afraid of the four letter O word. Hell,
I'll call him straight up lucky. This is the dug
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Daniels joined the show next. Has he ever seen a
run with as much fortune as Virginia had? Plus? U

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c l A finally found their head coach. Mick Cronin
is their new head coach. Is he the right guy
for the job? Can he get the Bruins back the
top of the college basketball we're releasing the conversation the
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Check out his podcast, The Sidelines with Evan Daniels. I
was on the Sidelines with Evan Daniels and I think
I think Evan I chose and this before the Final
four began. Um, I chose Texas Tech over Virginia in
the championship game. I missed it by fifteen seconds. What

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what was your what was your prediction? I was the same.
I think we we agreed on that one. I thought
Texas Tech was gonna win. And honestly, when they were
up three coming down the stretch, uh, it was their
to loose. And just as we've seen in a couple
of these other games with Virginia and the lead eight
in the Final four, they somehow, some way found a

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way to win. It was almost a team of destiny
in a lot of ways. Yeah, I know. I look,
I said, somehow we've gotten to this place in life
where we're able to wish people luck and hope that
they have good luck, and yet when they have what
is clearly lucky, clearly luck, you go like, man, they
were they're pretty lucky. They're like no, no, no, no, no, no,
we weren't lucky. We were skilled. Like, Okay, there was

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some luck, some luck involved in it. Um as lucky
as fortunate have you. Can you remember a a consecutive
series of it. Like I can remember one or two wins,
but three straight being dead to rights, beaten and coming
back and winning on this stage I can't remember before. No,

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I can't either. I mean, it's pretty remarkable when you
think back to each of the circumstances and how they
found a way to win. You know, the per doing
um down with five point three seconds left, the ball
gets back tipped a really three force of the court away.
How Clark had the awareness to make the past to
be a keyte and he makes a shot that he's

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probably never even shop before, like a fifteen ft runner,
and that goes in. And then the whole scenario at
Auburn and Kyle Guy makes a three. Uh they don't
call an obvious double dribble um and then Kyle got
gets fouled in the corner, which I thought was an
obvious foul, and then he steps up and makes three
straight free throws in that moment on that stage, I mean,

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the pressure would have gotten to me, Doug. I know
that you played on a big stage, but I mean
to be able to step up and and make three
free throws was pretty incredible. And then uh in in
overtime to to hold off Texas. Check what a run.
I mean, I have to answer your question, I haven't
seen anything like it. Yeah, I haven't haven't either. Um

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and then when you factor in that's not even factory
in that they were the first one seed to lose
to a sixteen seed, Like all of that is the
stuff of a of a movie. Um, okay, So help
me out with a couple of the replays. A couple
of the calls don't go the way of Texas Tech.
Is it? Is it again? Is it? There's fortunate? Like

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I'm almost to the point of I don't think the
replays help us nearly as much as people think. Uh,
people think it helps him. I should have noted before
we moved on, like they could have easily lost Oregon too. Yeah, match,
they could have lost in the sweet sixteen. In terms
of the replays, I think you make a good point,
and I think and I saw some people talking about
this on Twitter and I totally agree. Like I I

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we want the call to be right, and that's the
point of the replay. We wanted to be right. And
when you're going back and reviewing the play with the
ball um was tipped out of bounds and and and
went back to Virginia. Kyle Guy clearly found Moretti across
the arm, which led to him kind of losing control

(16:55):
and then the ball ricocheting out of bounds. Uh and off. Um,
it's fingertip. But they can't reverse the nonfoul that they
didn't call. They can reverse who they gave the ball too,
So I think in some scenarios it can be a
little frustrating. The other thing is is and as you
watch a ton of basketball, Doug, it gets really frustrating

(17:15):
when you're going to the monitor every five seconds, the
gameplay slows down, it loses energy. Um, you know, it's
just you're right, it's the worst. So there's there's different
levels to this. And you know, ultimately we want the
calls to be right, but we want the game moving
at a decent pace. And there's only like you're allowed

(17:36):
to overturn some stuff, but you you miss out on
a foul call that was obvious, So it can be frustrating.
I don't know how you fix it, though, I'm not
sure either. It's it's we I said, It's it's almost
like cell phones, right. Is there so much good from
cell phones? Yes, but they soak up so much of
our attention that we can't even look up and and

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appreciate most things going on in the world now. Right,
So it's like you almost wish you'd go back. Now
you could go back, or do you do? You do
the football thing where you have a challenge where you know,
last night when when Kyle Guy trips over his own
teammates foot and he's going to line down three in overtime,
you know, you sit there and you throw a challenge

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flag and you go, hold on, let's go to the monitor.
Oh wait a second, that was his own foot. It's
it's their ball out of bounds or to travel, and
let's give the ball to Texas Tech. Like I I
don't I don't know a way to do it, but
I know that it's so imp We're trying to perfect
something that's imperfect, and by trying to perfect it, we're
making an even We're making the disparity between calls you

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can get right and calls that you can get wrong
much greater. Yeah, I agree, And maybe it's a scenario. Well, hey,
if you go to the monitor, you can change anything.
I don't know how that would go over, but I
mean you get a much clearer idea of Kyle Guy
smacking at his risk or the game before, um, you
know when tied Jerome double d world or he had

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his jersey grabbed in that process. So there's like so
many little things, and you're right, we're trying to you
said it best so to make an imperfect, um thing
perfect that I don't I don't know that it's feasible
um for us to to to figure out a way
for it to be perfect. At the long scene of
scenes in college basketball in regards to that, Evan Daniels

(19:22):
from Fox Sports are college basketball insider joining us here
on the Doug Gotland Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay,
let's get to u c l A. Today was announced.
McK cronin is their head coach. What's your immediate reaction? Finally,
this is over. Um, this was an interesting entertaining you know,

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at times, I would even say embarrassing coaching search for
u c l A. Now, all of that said, I
think they ended up with a pretty good basketball coach.
I think that, Um, McK cronin is he he wanted
Murray's date where he started his head coaching career. He
consistently won at Cincinnati. He's known for his tough, physical,

(20:08):
defensive minded teams that that really compete and really play hard.
You know, if you're you've been around the Cincinnati basketball program,
I'm sure you have plenty Doug. Toughness is kind of
their mantra. That's what they're known for, um, and that's
what he's going to be bringing to UH to Westwood.
But if you're a and I like Mick and I

(20:28):
agree with you. Now he's never really been out of
that area the country right between Murray and Louisville and
high school basketball coach, Like he's a Cincinnati dude, his
dad's a Cincinnati high school legend. To come out to
u C. L Ah, it feels like Ben ben Hollen
with a little bit less success, but maybe a little
bit more, a little bit more personality. That's what it

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feels like now. Ben Hallen went to three three straight
final fours, but it you know, I don't know if
he hits the ground running like Ben Hellen did, well,
I think the the key thing for him. And I
said the same thing about Jerry's stackhouse at Vanderbilt, And
they're very different jobs and and and how I mean
it In different ways, but I think the compiling of

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his staff is going to be extremely important. Um, Look,
the So Cal area is as fertile in areas in
the country in terms of of basketball players, and I
think that's one of the Um that's one of the
big positives with the u c l A job. You
don't have to get on a plane and go recruit.
You can go recruit the best players in the in

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the country thirty miles forty miles from your campus. So
I think it's going to be important that, um, he
has a guy that's familiar with that area. Uh, and
or he gets familiar with it extremely quickly and it's
going to have to hit the round running. Now, I
will say this, I think it's the one area that's
a little volatile when it comes to recruiting. So somethings

(21:54):
as you know, my look, my brother has been assistant
at Sandy the State cal Polly actually sand Les obispo
Sack State at Sandy, U State at at Cal and
Organ State. And you know, look, he's part of he's
been part of staffs to say, look, we can only
have one or two real l A guys. You just
you know, you get to mail at many l A
guys and it doesn't always work, um, whether it's conflicting

(22:17):
alliances of AU programs, or its parents and their involvement,
or just the way the kids are wired like it's
a different spot that way. Yep, I I agree, And
that is one reason I like bringing out and bringing
in an outside guy, because you come in with a
blank slate and and there's there's no built up animosity

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when you go into that job where if you're hiring
somebody on the West Coast right now, there's somebody that
doesn't like it. Now at some point along the way,
you're gonna get offended. Bus you're an offend somebody you
don't hire this certain a you guys got if he
wants you to hire, and that's gonna happen. Um. But
in a lot of ways, the U T. L A

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job is one that I don't think it's necessarily a
bad thing to bring in a non West Coast guy,
but I do think it's important that they pick up
and and he has someone that knows the then that
doesn't necessarily mean higher an l A guy with somebody
that that knows that landscape a little, no question about it.
Evan Daniels Fox Sports one College Basketball Insider Um, and

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then there's the Chris Mullen gig of course you do
Inside the Big East, which is on Fox Sports One.
There have been rumors about this, but kind of ironically,
just like Steve Lavin, he makes the tournament and then
gets fired. Same thing happened to Steve Lavin. What was
your reaction when Chris Mullen was asked? Not necessarily surprised? Honestly, Um,

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if if I'm being honest, I think it was probably
a pretty smart move from the athletic director at St. John's.
I know they made the n C Double A Tournament,
but they're losing Shamori Ponds. They lost um the guy
on staff that had brought in the talent in Matt
Abdel Massey. He went to Nebraska to work with his mentor,

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Fred Hoiberg. Um. I don't think they were going to
replicate a season of making the insitu the tournament next year.
And I think what Um, the a d at St.
John's did was get ahead of it a year because
I think we would have been heading into the off
season next year with him seriously on the hot seat
and about to get fired. So I think he just

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spent up the process a year and it's very clear
Doug Um that Bobby Hurley is his top target, that's
who he wants. Does Bobby take that job? My guest
is yes. I think it's hard for him to turn
that down. And that's not that that that there's no
inside information on that. It's just knowing where Bobby came

(24:50):
from and who he is, He's got the Northeast ties. Um,
I would be surprised if he didn't take that job. Um.
Now there's always I might be crazy. I treat this
out today. I'm not sure Arizona State it's not a
better job. Um. I mean just look, I mean they
don't have a great arena but St. John's and they

(25:12):
play on campus half their games. Anyway, you do not
think it bears a Mathison Square garden and I get
East Coast Jersey guy, the chance to recruit Jersey kids.
I think Bobby, you'll do well wherever he goes. Um,
I wouldn't leave. I don't know that I would leave Scottsdale.
YEA yeah, I mean you didn't even have it necessarily going,
Like you make the n c A tournament there and

(25:34):
people love you. You know, you lose in the n
c you make the n c A tournament at St. John's,
and granted there's some other things at Steak, but they
fire you. So I think, you know, it's it's super
super Uh, It's it's really interesting. Um. Last thing is
what happened last night when we have two teams, you know,

(25:58):
one made up of you know, kind of basketball vagabonds,
a bunch of fifth year guys and transfer guys whatever,
and the other team, you know, most of them. Granted
the player of the game was a two and done,
but is this what the future of college basketball is
gonna look like? Um? Probably. I mean, we're we're going

(26:19):
to see this the rule change here in the next
couple of years. UM. So yeah, I mean I think
that you and I have discussed this before. The get old,
stay old mentality, and if you look at the last
couple of national champions that's what it's been. That's what
Virginia was, That's what Villanova was twice, That's what North

(26:40):
Carolina was. Um. And you know, soon enough, these kids,
the top two guys are gonna be allowed to come
throughout and I think it'll only further that notion Evan
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cop and white cop, and then there's the sergeant and

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he calls him in and he gears into him. Ranks,
Mark Talk, Get girasses in here right. Sorry. I mean,
I know not all buddy cop movies are lethal Weapon,
but it sure feels like lethal weapon is uh is
a great buddy cop movie anyway, But part of what
Buddy Cops always did was they played good cop bad cop.

(30:01):
I do this in parent we do this in parenting.
I'm usually bad cop. I like being a bad coup,
although at times I'm good cop. When you can, you
can change roles. You've got to decide, Like you come
home and you've gone all they work, and like, look,
I like to hang with my kids, but when a
discipline time, I I can be bad cop. You gotta
plan out who's a good cop bad cop? And that's

(30:22):
what the Cowboys are doing. Steven Jones little radio station
in Dallas that Dak's new contract must be quote team friendly.
At the same time, this is Stephen Jones, Okay, who's
the e v P, the executive vice president of the
Dallas Cowboys at the same time, and I could do
it in a Jerry Jones voice at the same time,
and I know Dak wants this. You want a supporting cast.

(30:44):
That's the way to go down as being one of
the great quarterbacks to ever play in the game, win championships.
I just feel like we gotta find our way to
a place where the contract enables us to surround him
with a great supporting cast, which a lot of it's
in play. We just gotta keep building on that and
be able to fit back in. He certainly deserves to

(31:05):
be paid fairly. He's a fourth und pick in Mississippi state.
As we all know, he's never made a lot of
money per se with his contract. Certainly deserves to be
paid and paid fairly. And these are all reasonable things,
reasonable things, um. But then you factor in that Jerry

(31:26):
Jones is like, Hey, we're gonna give him new contract.
He's gonna be our guy. Bah bah. You know, those
things changed dramatically because Jerry Jones talks about him like
he's a top five quarterback in the NFL, deserted. Whatever
he wants, we're gonna give him. Whereas Stephen Jones has

(31:49):
a much more balanced approach. Look, he deserves to be
paid handsomely, but it's gotta be team friendly. We gotta
he's using all the code words, he's using all the
code words. We gotta surround him with supporting cast that's
really good. In other words, dude, you gotta take less.
I know you haven't made anything, and we're not saying
you're not gonna make nothing. We're just not gonna overpay you.

(32:13):
They're playing good cop, bad cop, their riggs and murder
togging it you. You almost wish you would there, There'll
be somebody else to go. Don't don't get your asses
in here. I like good buddy cop movie. Uh, Cops
is a good buddy cop movie, right, Um? What was
the one with Kevin Hart and the Rock where they

(32:37):
had a buddy cop movie as well? Central Intelligence? Central Intelligence,
Central Intelligence? I would ask Buyer, but he doesn't know
anything about movies, so I'll ask you, um, Ramos, do
you have a favorite favorite buddy cop movie. I enjoy
you're talking about Kevin Hart. I enjoy another Kevin Hart
right along called right Along with Ice with Ice. You, Yeah,

(33:01):
I'd say that's a good buddy cop movie. I thought
Bad Boys Too is phenomenal. I also thought that, um,
Lethal Weapon three where you adding Chris was Lethal Weapon
three with Chris Rock and uh Joe Pesci Like, that's
an unbelievable cast. Unbelievable cast. But Jones and Jones are

(33:24):
just playing good cop, Bad Cop, like Riggs and murtalk,
one saying give Dac whatever he wants, the other one saying, hey,
gotta be a team friendly deal. Coming up next to
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Oh what a game last night. I got a chance
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(33:46):
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game today is all right? Ranked the three best players
not NBA prospects, but three best players that you saw
on the Final four this past weekend. Who played the best?
Who played that? That's actually that's a really really really

(35:16):
good question because and and and I'll I know, I
know you know why it's a good question. I'm not
sure if the rest of the world understands why it's
a really good question. Um. You know, guys come in
with we have a predo, you know, preordained bias for
who's good and who's not good. Right, Like Kyle Guy
somehow won the MP because he had those big three

(35:37):
big free throws, right. Um, on the other hand, you know, uh,
and he ends up fifteen points, but he hit he
had six points in the last twenty seconds of the game.
Ty Jerome was the better player. Uh. DeAndre Hunter was
amazing last night. He was okay against Auburn even though

(35:57):
he had a pronounced mismatch and then like we don't
give any he loved to the Auburn guys because they
lost even though well they had a four point lead
with you know, twenty seconds to go in that game
and seme uh Sameir Dowdy who who fouled, actually had
an outstanding game off the bench with thirteen and five.
He just committed a terrible foul and didn't defend Kyle Guy. Well, um,

(36:20):
all right, I will go. I mean I can't. DeAndre
Hunter was the best player last night in a matchup
between he and Jared Culver. I didn't think Colver was
particularly good at all. I know he hit a big
shot against Michigan State. He wasn't grating that game, and
last night he didn't play well. I would I would
say Matt Mooney would be two. DeAndre Hunter was the

(36:42):
most impressive. Mooney would be the second most impressive. Remember,
you know Michigan State as much as Cassius Winston and
all those points. He also took sixteen shots. Um, so
I'll do Uh, I'll go with with Hunter Matt Mooney,

(37:03):
and then I'll do to tie Jerome as the three
best players I saw this weekend. Alright ranked the three
players that we could see play their last NBA game
this week. We know the Mavericks aren't going anywhere, the
Heat are fighting for their playoff lives, and the Hawks
are done. Vince Carter, who wants to play that season
but could be playing his last game or saying fairwell

(37:24):
this week. Dwayne Wade final home game in Miami, Dorknowski
final home game in Dallas tonight, we gotta rank them one,
to rank them one, two and three. I thought three
was easy and then it's just three? Is Vince Carter? Yeah,
I'm I'm sorry, I'm thinking one today. I think I

(37:47):
gotta go. Dwyane Wade. I think I gotta go. They
each beat each other in an NBA finals. Dwayne Wade
has never been an NBA m v P. But I
do think Dwyane Wade has been better at the defensive end. Uh,
I'm gonna go. Yeah, I'm gonna go Dwyane Wade. One. Uh,
Dirkovinski two and Vince Carter three. Now, the NFL released

(38:08):
their sixty five game preseason schedule. Of course, the extra game,
the Hall of Fame Game. What sport is the best
preseason NBA, NFL or Major League Baseball? Major League Baseball? Alright,
I don't think it's close. I think Major League Baseball
is the best. I think NFL is the second best thing.
NBA is the third best. The NBAS now shrunk because

(38:29):
they start the season so early, and uh yeah, you
only you get six games. Four of the Lakers games
are in Ontario. Rank your top three favorites for the
Masters this week. Rory McIlroy Right now, the odds on
favorite at seven to one. Yeah, he's got demons though
in that place, right, So I'll go Tiger one, Tiger one,
I'll go brooks Kepka two, all right, and I'm gonna

(38:53):
go with Bubba lots in three. Bubba does like it.
They're finally ranked the best three things that happened to
you this final four weekends. Well, the worst thing was
my backpack and my son's backpack getting stolen. A none
of our car. We we'd say that's the worst. That's
that's that's the worst. The best thing that happened, well,
we we sat we courtside or whatever our seats for

(39:18):
our seats for the National Championship game were unbelievable. Playing
in the Pringles Celebrity game and getting to play a
bunch and passing to Wally Zerbiac, getting the the two
last two big rebounds, having like the last five assists
and hitting my boy Whally Zerbiak with an assist for
the game winner like that was that was And playing

(39:39):
for Chuck Charles Bark was just the best. I mean,
just what an incredible guy. I'll go with that as
numbered by the way, during time outs, did they offer
you pringles as you were there? And did they did?
We tried to pop up pringles he did pop a
we popped the pringles. Once you pop, you can't stop. No,
you can't. Maybe for they found your Q cannot the

(40:01):
pops can't. Wouldn't you pop? You cannot stop? The third
best thing, oh riding all the roller coasters at all
of America together with my son, Like that's that was amazing.
This is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show. Yeah.

(40:25):
Now that there have been two events in Minnesota, and
I had a game there this year. I'm not Minnesota
out though, Like I still I want to do something
Minnesota in the summer because I know it's like a
different just you grew up in Wisconsin, you know how
it's a completely different world in the summer there as
opposed to the rest of the year. Um So, all right,

(40:45):
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Rodgers has responded to the criticism he got from the
Bleacher Report article we we talked about last week. I'll
tell you why I actually think he came out fine
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finally responded to the Bleacher Report piece where uh, basically

(41:50):
basically and we had to tie down on who who
authored the piece, Um, basically what happen up and was
some unnamed sources and some name sources, most of whom
I think all of them are former Packers, came out
and said, like, look, Aaron Rodgers didn't respect his former coach,

(42:11):
Mike McCarthy, didn't respect change the plays, rolled his eyes
had bad by the language, thought he was dumb, said
he was dumb. And then the one guy he was
tight with and he respected, who was his quarterback coach,
Mike McCarthy, fired and that really created an even wider

(42:34):
riff between the two. That's essentially my read into it,
right is if you read the piece, you came away thinking,
Aaron Rodgers, man is he smart? And man does he
know it? He comes across as an arrogant know it
all who carries a huge chip on his shoulder, And

(42:55):
you know what, I don't think that it comes out
that bad at all. Does he come across arrogant? Sure?
Does he come across, you know, as a guy who
pushes people, sure, absolutely, But that pales in comparison to
what Mike McCarthy comes across looking missing a meeting, for
getting a massage, being having a low football Like you,

(43:20):
what would you rather be called too smart or too dumb?
What would you rather be called too hard driving or lazy?
If you want to be a head coach in the
National Football League, the last thing you want to be
called is dumb and lazy. Like if you're Aaron Rodgers, yeah,

(43:43):
I may read bad, but you almost feel like coming
out Aaron Rodgers coming out and saying this is an
accurate this is an accurate portrayal whatever. You almost feel
like you give it more validation, more validation instead of
I didn't read it. People don't know what goes on here.

(44:06):
We're going to work, like, don't get me, I get it.
You know, I know that. I understand when people say
you're too smart, it's not actually a compliment. One of
the places I worked, my boss it was not a compliment,
and he tried to no necessarily comment you're the smartest

(44:27):
basketball guy we have like that that that didn't This
feels like a butt there or a yeah. It doesn't
match up. Your words don't match up with your actions.
That's because when when people feel that they're you're too smart.
Then they uh, they automatically think you're arrogant, and they
get a little defensive and they shut down a little bit.

(44:51):
What he wants for the guy who know he is
smarter than them, but knows he's smarter than them. And
that's how Aaron Rodgers comes off. That's how he comes off.
On the other hand, I'm okay being called too smart.
I'm not okay being called dumb and lazy like I

(45:13):
don't even know. Mike McCarthy is the one who and
he has come out and said, you know, like this
isn't true whatever. But I mean, if we want to
really kind of get down to brass tacks, here's what
Aaron Rodgers said about the report on ESPN Wisconsin. It's ridiculous.
It is patently false. I talked to Mark earlier, like

(45:33):
last week, and I said, Mark, who did you tell
somebody about the conversation. He goes, that's ridiculous. We had
a great conversation, like we always do. So so that's
that's just one point that article, amongst a number of
highly questionable things, not to mention unnamed sources, and we
put your name onto something unnamed sources, right, because deep

(45:56):
Throat was an unnamed source. Sources don't have to be aimed.
If they're multiple sources and they're telling the same story,
then that that's journalism. You have to make sure you
you cross your tease and dotch your eyes. You can't
have simply one source, and you can't have you know,
multiple guys, can't have the same source going to different guys.

(46:20):
If you do a thorough job, I don't care if
it's anonymous, because the idea of putting your name on
calling Aaron saying telling some of these stories about Aaron
Rodgers and the conversations that he's had. Now if it
becomes a source that mentions something, that's hearsay because it's
a private conversation between two people and instead of instead

(46:44):
of reading as, hey, this is what a source said
about a conversation with Aaron Rodgers and there's only you know,
only one other guy in that conversation, and that guy
did not talk to the reporter, then you're using a
third source. So it wasn't in the room. That is hearsaying.
You're a reporting what you heard. Nonetheless, I will defend
a named sources. Unnamed sources is journalism. Absolutely is as

(47:10):
long as you know, I'm Tyler Dunn has an editor.
He has his editor has to feel comfortable with whose
sources are, especially in a story that's wrong. And Aaron Rodgers,
of course categorically denies it, kind of laughs it off,
and I'm sure, I'm sure the truth is generally somewhere
in the middle. Do I think that he thinks that

(47:33):
Mike McCarthy is a dope? Probably not. But do I
think he thinks he's super smart at football? And some
profound thinker, I do not. I really don't. I think
the truth is somewhere in the middle. That he grew
tired and weary of a style that allowed great players
to just win and dependent upon Aaron Rodger to create

(47:58):
things like Look there, there are some people that will
lead you to believe, hey, Aaron Rodgers needs a strong offense,
and you know he doesn't. He doesn't need predetermined throws.
That's for guys like Mitch Drabinski. That's for some of
these quarterbacks that aren't at his level. They need an
offense that creates windows for them so that they can

(48:20):
get up to the line of scrimmage, make one read
and throw the football. And that's not when Aaron Rodgers
wants to challenge himself, doesn't challenge himself. You know, he's
not gonna simply go off of you know, go off
of some que car. You're not gonna He's gonna freelance
a little bit. That's what he's gonna do. And I'm

(48:45):
I tend to agree with the idea that none of
it is totally true, but it's more true than not true.
You want to convince me Aaron Rodgers is really really smart,
I'll believe it. You want to tell me that being
really smart and being really confident strikes some as being arrogant,
I'm gonna believe that too. Do I think? Do I

(49:05):
think he changed plays? I do? Do I think he
waved off plays and rolled his eyes and that body
bad body language? I do you know why I saw it?
Does Do I think that he thinks Mike McCarthy is
an idiot? I don't. I don't. Do I think Mike
McCarthy love working with Aaron Rodgers? No, But I also
think that most super talented guys are can be hard

(49:28):
to deal with. And of course you're caught in between
where that when you're the coach management who hadn't drafted
well and wasn't willing to spend money in free agency
at a quarterback that knows he needs guys to get
open based upon the way in which they're playing. So

(49:49):
let me get to this. That just came down a
little bit of breaking news. Over the past the past
four years, St. John's University has been one of the
most thrilling and challenging points in my career. Today, I
have chosen to add President Gemshaw the university to accept
my decision to step down from coaching the St. John's
men's basketball team. This is from Chris Mullen. It lasted

(50:13):
four years and then ironic, the last two coaches at St.
John's have both resigned or been fired after leaving their
team to the n c A Tournament. That's where we
are in college athletics. Alright, So there's that's a breaking
news that Chris Mullen has officially stepped down. And we'll

(50:37):
see what happens with Bobby Hurley, who many people believe
is the number one uh is the number one guy
on the list. All Right, we'll talk a little about
Aaron Rodgers, We'll talk about Kyler Murray, Um, we'll ask
where Josh rosen Goes. Bucky Brooks is our guest up
coming next works through the NFL network. He spent some

(50:58):
time in Green Bay. What does he think of everything
that's been reported with the packers and is it? Isn't
it worse to be called uh lazy and dumb as
opposed to hard driving and too smart? Right? It feels
that way to me. Feels like Mike McCarthy made out
a lot worse than Aaron Rodgers plus Calamari, the Cardinals

(51:19):
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(52:09):
of things to get to here in the Dug Otliep Show,
A ton of of things. Uh, continues to be remarkable
to me. What we what we saw the story of
Virginia is is incredible. It's really really incredible. I mean
to go from that sort of I guess what would
be embarrassment and some sort of glass ceiling to breaking

(52:33):
through and winning the whole thing. And and it wasn't
a flute that they were beaten last year. They were,
I mean by twenty points. And to go to that
to winning national championship and the way in which they
did really really crazy, unbelievable. Bucky Brooks's and analysts for
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and check out his latest mock draft. Bucky, I I

(52:53):
want to get to to football. But can you think
of a football story where there was was that sort
of from one year to the next, Right, Like, it's
it's one thing to to lose in in a college
football playoff, but this is like losing to u NBC
and then also evolving with their style and changing some
really remarkable stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty remarkable that

(53:17):
Virginia was able to kind of pull it off the
way that they did, to bounce back from losing to
a six team seed, then to win the number of
close games that they everybody win on the way to
win the championship. The only thing I maybe can liken
it to was when I played in Jacksonville in nineties six.
We went to Denver and knocked off to Denver Broncos
at home. They were the number one seed. Then the

(53:37):
next year, the next two years they won back to
back Super Bowl titles, and so after that disappointment, they
were able to come and recollect themselves, get off to
matt and then kind of dominate the league for like
a two year run behind Tarrell Davis. But that's the
only NFL equivalent that I probably canna go out off
the top of my head. Yeah, it's uh, it's it's
pretty incredible. And then you know, a coaching style where

(53:59):
a coach doesn't lose his cool no matter what the situation.
You know, um, also really really impressive. All right, let's
let's get to let's get to football. You spend some
time in Green Bay. What what's your takeaway when you
read that Bleacher Report article about the dysfunctional relationship between
Mike McCarthy the former head coach, and Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback.

(54:19):
What was your takeaway? Man, It's just such a such
a different Green Bay than I remember. Obviously I was
there with coach Holgren um and even at the time
and forever, it has always been there's a certain way
that you do things in Green Bay. Uh. The nostalgia
of the Lombardi era, the way that Vince Lombardi won,

(54:40):
the way it was about the team over individual self,
all of those, all those tenants really held true in
the locker room. And so when I hear this stuff
about coach McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers and kind of the
in fighting and then maybe the elevation of the quarterback
over the others, that stuff never existed. And I have
a hard time becau the believing all of this stuff

(55:01):
in it because having played for the coach Mike Uh
when he was in Kansas City, he was a quarterback coach.
He just doesn't seem to be a guy that wouldn't
be on the details and kind of letting things slide.
And even in scouting Aaron Rodgers like but man, his
personality may be a little different. Uh, he may be
a little aloof but at the end of the day,
I know he loves Paul, and the fact that he

(55:22):
loves Paul uh leads me to believe that he would
do everything is the best interest of the team. And
so when you hear these things, I can see why
they weren't able to win. If you have to competing
agenda blanket appears in that article, there's no way you
can win with all of that chaos kind of going. Yeah.
I do think though that if you look at it
like Aaron Rodgers, if your takeaway would be, um, he's

(55:47):
considered aloof, arrogant and and hard driving, a little bit
hard to deal with, right Whereas Mike McCarthy it makes
him come across as dumb and lazy. Like I think
it almost felt like a hit piece on McCarthy more
so than one on Aaron Rodgers. Fair. Yeah, I think
it's very very fair, and I think it's differing to

(56:08):
what he's accompassed look said or not. I know Aaron
Rodgers played a great, a big part in his success
in Green baber Dude, is a really good coach. You
look at where he stands historically, he's one of the
top coaches to ever coach the game in NFL history,
And so when you take a hit on him, you
kind of make him out to be kind of like
the bumbling idiot. I think it does him in dis service,

(56:28):
and I think what it's done is it's kind of
tard as some of the credit ability that people will
have when it comes to him and viewing him as
a viable candidate going forward. I think for everybody, everybody
took the hit with this piece, and I think there's
a lot of repairing that people have to do to
remake their images going forward. So will the new coaching

(56:49):
staff work with Aaron Rodgers. You know it's gonna be tough,
like so to deal with Aaron Rodgers and the team
when you're a young, new hey coach, you gotta find
a way to kind of connect with those guys while
also holding them account um. I think the opening days,
when Matt Lafloor gets with Aaron Rodgers, they have to

(57:10):
establish a rapport. I'm a little concerned by the fact
that they haven't gotten together, that they haven't been able
to kind of talk and do all that other stuff. Um,
normally you would like to be on the same page
with your franchise quarterback very very early. And it's in
it because you know how this goes like. Sports are
still start driven, but it's within the team, Frederick, And
the easiest way to get the team going is to

(57:30):
get your start to buy into the message. And so
Batt Laflor has to get Aaron Rodgers on board with
whatever the philosophy of the program is. And if he
can get number twelve on board, everyone else will follow.
Bucky Brooks showing us from the NFL Network moved the
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(57:51):
Cayla Murray's visiting with the Arizona Cardinals, and I know
the Cardinals are gonna say, we're doing our due diligence,
but boy, it's your and it feels like he's their
guy and so and and they've they've they've only done
harm to the value of Josh Rosen by things they've
said and the way in which they're acting. But if
you could find a perfect spot for Josh Rosen where

(58:13):
would it be Man, There's so many things, so many
layers to unpacked with this calor Murray things. Um, I
think the Calu Murray uh story is not necessarily a
an indictment on Josh Rosen's talent. I think is a
coach that may want a guy that is a benefit
for his system, so more so like free flowing system
as opposed to a system that is a little more

(58:34):
rigid in detail. With Josh Rosan, I think he would
be in a perfect place where you have a pocket system,
one that is more traditional and what they do, one
that requires him to kind of get the ball out.
I'm thinking New England would be great. I'm thinking the
Charges would be great. I'm thinking the Rams would also
be great. Um Matta Rams. Sorry, the Charges would be

(58:54):
great because you have coaches who have the ability to
develop him on the side, will also have any veteran quarterbacks.
So um, I think he's obviously gonna get a shot.
Is about finding the right spot for it. Where do
you think the right spot is? Um? And right now,
I think New York is gonna be a place there
would be a right spot only because I think he
can handle the bright lights in the big stage of

(59:16):
New York. I think having an opportunity to maybe wait
his turn for a year behind ELI while learning the system,
so when he does get his opportunity, he can go
with it. And I also believe that they can't put
enough weapons around him. He's gonna be able to shot
HM does it? You talk to people in the NFL.
They feel like he's going to be moved, don't they? Um,

(59:36):
you know, like some of this like some of it
you're trying to figure out like that when we get
to this stage of it, like you're trying to separate
what is the smoke screen from what is real and
what we know to be real. Is like the Gardiners
do have some interest in Colin Murray, but they also
it's been in the pick a first round pick on
Josh rose. I believe that Josh Rosen could play in
the system if Tiff Kingsbury really wanted him. The only

(59:58):
thing they kind of mention you pause about, uh, the
Cala Murray deal is Cliff Kingsbury has always wanted his kids,
from times in high school when he was coaching that
Texas and m he brought him in and when he
was in the transfer deal at Texas tech, and he
had opportunity to get him. He always has wanted him,
and so maybe this is an opportunity for him to
get a free flowing player to play in a system

(01:00:18):
that is a little more as you talk about Golden
State Warriors dish as opposed to one that may be
a little more rigid like the old school Utah Jazz
picturing roller system. So it is, it is. It is
just a style of play that he made desired quarterback
as opposed to Josh Rose. How hard is it going
to be? How difficult is he going to be for

(01:00:40):
John Gruden two if he doesn't get a Kyler Murray's got,
you know, Derek Carr who has already caught a lot
of heat, Uh to deal with Antonio Brown's ego, especially
now that Antonio Brown has a new deal, you know,
like just annoying, Uh Gruden and it kind of being
around enough people to know Abe when it gets to
on the field, Abe works as hard as anybody that's there.

(01:01:04):
The beast that you're seeing right now in Pittsburgh. That's
old stuff. That's stuff that like he can have a
sit down and be like we Abe, like whatever is
in the past is in the past. I'm sure they'll
need to address it, but I don't think it would
be an issue. I think Gruden has always been able
to deal with older players, and he's always been the
production that they want. If you go back and look
at this history, all of the older players, from Julia

(01:01:24):
Galloway and Key shan Uh, Tim Brown and Jerry Rights,
he's always been able to get them loose. Typically, if
Abe touches the ball, it's not gonna be an issue.
I don't think it'd be a big issue at that's
the voice of Bucky Brooks, who joins us on The
Gottlieb Show. How does Nick Bosa project? I mean, is
brother Joey has always said Nick is better than I am?

(01:01:44):
But is he actually? I wouldn't say that he's better
than enjoy it, but I would say he's different. I
say he's polished. He understands the he understands how to
get to the quarterback, and so as long as he
does that, he's gonna be successful. I think the bigger
thing is just making sure he goes some whites. That's
fit um and so I believe, you know, like I'm
not quite sure that he's the best player in the draft,

(01:02:07):
but I would say that he is the most complete
when it comes to rushing the past. Okay, you mentioned fit,
so is it a three or four or four three
style that he fits in best? It doesn't really matter, man,
It's just antics. Like at the end of the day,
he's gonna be a Polish rush downs. They're gonna let them.
They're gonna let him, They're gonna let him rush to
pass her and so I don't think it's going to
be a major issue. Um. I think it's about lining

(01:02:29):
him up, allowing him to be an edge Russian earliderners,
and then allowing him to be a sub package rusher
on those other downs. Why do the Giants keep telling
people that Eli is their guy, not just for this
year but maybe the next year that that doesn't everybody
else in the league doesn't seem to agree with that,
And is this really what they believe or just what
they're saying? Um. I think as a matter of Dave

(01:02:51):
Gentleman always been in love with Eli, and he and
Eli as a prototypical franchise quarterback, and because of that,
that's why they're trying to give him every opportunity to
do that. Able league that he really can still play,
and so until he shows him that he can't, they
can continue to try and ride with him. Um, there's
been a lot of talk that Dwayne Haskins is slipping

(01:03:11):
in the draft. Do you think that's because of his play,
his lack of experience. Why do you think some people
now have him slat as the third or fourth best
quarterback in this draft? Um, it is really a situation
where it comes down to styles, like Dwayne Haskins is
a prototypical pocket pass or however, for whatever reason, people
are cooling on him and they see him as a

(01:03:32):
guy that may slide on the thing. I don't understand that.
I think we'll find out on draft night if this
is real, if he's just another spokeswrink that we see
in pre draft night. That's a hard thing. I mean,
I I did, you know have watched the Penn State game,
and I remember, you know when he had guys at
his feet, he was he was a radic. He did
not look comfortable. But I mean, you look at the
vast majority of snaps and obviously not looking at them

(01:03:55):
with the type of eye somebody like you has. You're like, man,
fizzy touchdown past he looked. He grew to be more
and more comfortable under dress. Uh. It is fascinating to
see how a guy who some people thought could go
as high as five with the Giants now seems to
maybe be the third or fourth quarterback off the board.
Bucky Brooks, he's an analysts for the NFL Network. Fall
on Twitter Twitter at Bucky Brooks and check out his

(01:04:16):
latest mock draft. Bucky, in your latest mock draft, what
is the biggest surprise people will see? Oh? I think
that Dwayne Haskinson is gonna be the biggest surprise. How
low he may go in the draft? Like what where?
I'm thinking Look, I'm thinking, Look, he won't go any
later than eleven. I think the Testinnati Biger will be
a viable player if he drops m Great stuff, Bucky,

(01:04:38):
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We got a bunch of stuff going on. College basketball
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with twenty four million dollars. Chris Mullins stepping down today,
there's the head coach at St. John's after four seasons.
A bunch of players entering their names for the NBA Draft.
Rules allow them to at least signed with agents during
this period, and then they'd have an opportunity to return.
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NBA Draft. Toronto leads the Red Sox five to four
the seventh inning. Blue Jay's roughed up Chris Sale for
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the seventh, while the Indians dropped the Tigers today eight
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the second to last group of the day. He teas
off Thursday at one forty nine Eastern time with Justin
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Lawrence says he'll need four to six months to recover
from shoulder surgery, but he says he'll play it week
one of the regular season, and tonight Dirk Davitski will
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I'm not sure I've asked you guys this, but it's
a I think it's a d some question to ask, um,
where are you guys on Dwyane Wade? Like I look
at Dwyane Wade and I see he's the Derek Jeter

(01:07:10):
of the NBA. And I know that if you look
at historic Radiant rankings, people will put Derek Jeter as
a top ten all time player in the conversation about
shortstop of all time. But let's be honest, if he
wasn't a Yankee, he went to hell those postseason opportunities.
I think his career batting averages to seventy eight and
his clear career playoff atting averages to seventy eight, it's

(01:07:33):
like he's just Mr. Consistency, but not Mr. Consistently spectacular consistency.
And you can I can give you all the gold
glovesy one, but there was a good portion of those
which were on reputation, not on actual production. On the
other hand, there was a time when Derek Jeter was
one of the top couple of players in the game,
and unlike some of the other guys in the game,

(01:07:53):
no one, there's never been a whisper of steroids as
opposed to the Alex Rodriguez and others who he was
competing with at that time. That reminds me of Dwayne Wade,
who uh no, not not steroids. But remember he didn't
win a championship till he had shock, even though he
was the more important player. But he got all those
calls against the Mavericks, and they came from two games

(01:08:15):
that done down to come back and beat the Mavericks.
And then you know, he had some injuries, his team's
non competitive. They bring in Lebron James and he wins
another couple of titles. I I look at I look
at them, Dwyane Wade and Derek cheaters to the exact
same guys. More clutch than good, really really good, great

(01:08:37):
at times, but not consistently great and dominant, but incredible
culture guys. Never a whisper of impropriety guys and guys
that were willing on some level to play second fiddle
to other stars. On the other hand, they've never I
don't feel like they've been the best player in the
game for like Mike Trout, what was it right? Music

(01:08:59):
Force eight games Mike tried to to home run? Like,
Mike Trout is the best player in baseball, and over
the last five years, you can easily make a case
that any of those years he was the best player
in baseball. Okay, doesn't mean he won the m v P.
Doesn't when he absolutely was the best player, but because
there's a couple of years when he's hurt, but for
the most part, you go like he's the best player,

(01:09:19):
and people could argue back and forth. At least it's
it's a very viable argument. You don't have five years
of that with Derek Jeter. You don't have five years
of that with Dwyane Wade. On the other hand, he
was willing to sacrifice ego and blend with Lebron James.
Speaking of Lebron, there's a fascinating piece in The Athletic

(01:09:41):
from Bill orm who covers the Lakers. Here's a quote
which is really alarming. It was apparent to the young players,
no one, no uh, no longer trust. Excuse me, let
me read this again. It was apparent that the young
players no longer trusted James, believing he was operating behind
the scenes to get them traded to New Orleans. This

(01:10:02):
from Ramona Shelburne earlier today. Luke Walton, Magic Johnson haven't
spoken for weeks. That's a problem. I mean, like Luke,
Magic chastised Luke and got It wasn't that he called
in Luke to tell him things weren't going well the
first week of the season. It was that it became public.
It became a public spectacle. I would love to put

(01:10:24):
all the blame on Lebron I can't. Magic is comes
out clownish in this. The desire to get all his
stories out in the newspaper, that he is in charge
of this ship which he has run aground is laughable.
But then the idea that your coach and your president
aren't talking and the players don't trust the star, do you?

(01:10:47):
Guys like Hindenburger Titanic. Titanic feels like a better reference
because of the movie, But Hindenburg is a better visual reference,
is it not. Hindenburg, of course, is the former blimp
that got caught on fire because they used to use
what would they would they use is a helium that

(01:11:08):
caught on fire? Hydrogen? They caught on fire, Helium did
not hydrogen. What were you saying that, Buyer, I was
saying that because we have actual footage of the Hindenburg,
makes it like the only Titanic reference we have is
from the movie. Yes, but more people have seen the
movie than saw the footage of Hindenburg. Uh yeah, yeah,

(01:11:30):
I mean a lot of people I have seen Titanic,
but also Titanic slides up the tongue a little bit
earlier than Hindenburg. Where if I said to Hindenburg, You're like,
what like the blimp that caught on fire? Like, oh,
that's the Endenberg. Played by play call of the Hindenburg, though,
is pretty pretty historic. Yes, on the Hindenburg Radio Network
and the Hindenburg Network give him, give him proper credit,

(01:11:51):
Endenburg Radio Networks. Humanity, Oh the Humanity. Yeah, that was
like on that was being filmed in front of people.
That was not That was not good. Was that on
CBS or TBS? Which that was true? TV? That was
true TV? Okay, alright, alright. Lizard lizard lick toeing I

(01:12:13):
believe was what followed it. Lizard lick toeing got a
big bump, but it didn't start on time because they
did they did some post blimp explosion coverage, and I
thought that really bled into the time and the coverage
and lizard lick toeing had to be cut short. Lizard
lick telling. None of the young players trusted Lebron James.

(01:12:35):
There's some timeline stuff there. They were going to trade.
Contavia's call well PopEd, and suddenly they pulled back a trade.
And that's when the rumors of Anthony Davis being dealt
to Lakers leaked. What a mess they have on their hands.
The president doesn't talk to the coach, the young players
don't trust Lebron. The coaches dead man walking said to
be fired even though the coach is uh was hired

(01:12:59):
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We treat you like you'd treat you. Here's Colin Cowherd
earlier today talking about Kevin Durant possibly going to the
Knicks and whine New York is overrated, this idea that
winning in New York is just better time out. So
when Shaq and Kobe and Phil Jackson we're crushing it
in Los Angeles, they would all drive home at night saying, God,

(01:14:26):
if we only lived in Queens and could play for
the Knicks. I don't believe that. When the Big three
were down in Miami Akwall Water Winter League, I don't
think they were thinking, Gosh, if we could only have
a cool pad in Brooklyn and me playing in the Garden.
But this idea that winning in Silicon Valley in a
new arena next year will somehow be less cool than

(01:14:51):
winning some games but not a title in Madison Square
Garden is just a bunch of huey. We just saw
an aging NBA star in Lebron and James join a
dysfunctional but legendary brand. It remained dysfunctional despite the aging star.
Mm hmmm, Um, I'm gonna disagree with Colin. I do

(01:15:15):
think that New York is still a very special place,
a very big place. And while Silicon Valley in San
Francisco have obviously, obviously um become more important in the
sports world and it's way more important in the business
world than maybe they've ever been, he's wrong in terms

(01:15:36):
of New York. Look the numbers, The raw data doesn't lie.
It just doesn't. Um. Sixty of sports viewers are in
the Eastern time zone, at the number one market and
the number one time zone and the biggest city in
the country, which is also the media capital of the country.

(01:15:58):
And what am I missing? Right? The perfect example of
how East does actually matter more in the sports landscape
than West is two things. One look at NBA's ratings.
Why they dropped Lebron is in the West as opposed
to the East. People still watch the NBA, they just
don't watch it as much, and it's because it's harder
to watch Lebron in the Lakers uniform. There wasn't a
Calves uniform in terms of times of time zone. Time

(01:16:22):
zone is one thing, and then look at look at
Lyn Sanity. Heck, I got a third one you can add,
but look at Lin Sanity. Jeremy Lynn two weeks dominating
the NBA and he becomes a household name. Why not
just because it's Germy Lynn, not just because he's an
Asian American, but also because it happened in New York City.
I got to back and forth with Clay Travis last

(01:16:43):
night in regards to games start time music. Were you
following that one on Twitter? When I got in the
back and forth and I know you have a life. Yeah,
I did happen to see that. You and Clay have
gotten a very heated debate about the tip time of
last night's National Champion Chip game being PM Eastern time?

(01:17:03):
What about the kids? What about the kids? And my
point was always I don't know about tip times. But
you know what I do know. I know that those
are set for specific reasons by people that are smarter
than me, that make more money than me, and that
decide what the what the optimal time is, optible time
is for the game to be tipped off. By the

(01:17:24):
way the game rated actually very well, got a nineteen UM.
Obviously last year wasn't this high goes on cable, but
the nineteen is a solid number considering the lack of
hype surrounding two great defensive squads. The reason that nine
is an optimal time, you want the game to finish

(01:17:44):
at eleven thirty on the East Coast because that is
when you will see your highest ratings. Why what bleeds
into nightly news? There's a reason that the news is
on the eleven. You may not go to bed or
watch the eleven o'clock new you may, but enough people
do that the news is still on in eleven. You

(01:18:05):
may not be willing to stay up late on the
East Coast to watch a college basketball game, but enough
people do to make it worth it. And the fact
that you wanted to end people always he wanted into
eleven thirties because of the East Coast, not the West
coast because the East coast does matter more. So you
can tell me that New York is hard, I would agree,
But what good? What? What is there that's good that

(01:18:27):
isn't hard? Would I prefer to live in San Francisco? Sure,
I prefer to live in Los Angeles. There's lots of
other places I would like to live more so than
New York City because he can wear you down, but
if you succeed, it's an absolute home run. And I
think Colin is he's kidding himself or lying to himself
if he thinks otherwise that, in fact, is is what

(01:18:52):
the fox said. It's uh, it's really hard for people
to uh, people to fathom, people to fathom that whether
or not, um, whether or not New York actually matters,
because New York hasn't mattered in many, many recent years. UM.

(01:19:16):
Anthony Davis wearing a T shirt that says, that's all
folks to the arena where he's likely to play his
last game. It's very possible, though, that that is actually
a Bugs Buddy shirt and he's gonna be in the
New Space Jam. Although maybe he's in the New Space
Jam and he's just gonna stay in l A. This
thing is fastating this This story by Bill orm is

(01:19:37):
really interesting, you know, talking about the absentee parenting by
Magic Johnson, which is one of the hardest things about parenting,
Magic Johnson never being around and have this having this
kind of viatal uh volatile powder keg of personnel and
egos and lebron and his guy, Luke Walden and his guys,

(01:20:04):
Rob Lincoln his guys, and Kobe Bryant and fans. But
Anthony Davis were in that's all, folks. Shirt going to
be fascinating, fascinating to see what happens with a d
because at some point we told you this that if
in fact the kitchen sink offered came the way of

(01:20:26):
the Pelicans from the Lakers, what leverage do they have?
Would Jayson Tatum be traded for him? And would you
actually prefer Jason Tatum as opposed to three or four
l A Lakers like this idea that you would prefer
Jason Tatum above all others. Okay maybe, but above two
or three or four Lakers. No, I don't think any

(01:20:50):
chance none. And by the way, what happens if the
Celtics do in fact win without Anthony Davis do they
need Anthony Davis? I think they after him. I just
don't know how much they'll we willing to offer. Have
you just joined us? Mick Cronin is the head coach
of u c l A. We mercifully put that coaching
search to bed and Chris Mallen is no longer the

(01:21:13):
coach at his old model you at St. John's. That
that well kept rumor well kept secret became less secretive.
Going back to last night, Coming on next we'll get
back into the National Championship game from last night. Was
Virginia good? Or were they lucky? Or how about both?

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(01:22:24):
had a great date, just a great time with a
person from the other sex, Like, I can't speak for
what it's like for women. I can only speak for men, right, men,
Like you know you have a great date and the
whole like rest the night, or if you had lunch
with a woman, or you spent a day with a

(01:22:45):
woman and like the next day, like even if you
don't technically smell like that woman, you feel like you
smell like that woman. You still like taste her on
your lips. No, no, I'm not thinking gross thoughts. I'm
talking about like her laboratual lips and you, even though
you fizz really can't. It's impossible for the taste of
another human being or their chapstick or lipstick or lip gloss.

(01:23:07):
Is I honestly, I know the difference in chapstick and
lip gloss and lipstick, but boy, lip gloss and lipstick
sure seem like about the same thing. They just do anyway,
even it's your wife, like you just have a great
connecting moment with another human being. You ever wake up
the next day, be like, man, let me go and

(01:23:28):
do that one again. Run that at. The basketball expression
is run that back, run it back, run that back now.
Running back is It's a basketball term where, for example,
if you're playing a pickup game and there's nobody else

(01:23:49):
waiting and guys like should we go home? Like no, no no, no,
run it back. Let's play again, play again. Let let's
do do that exact same thing. Not not do over? Okay,
do over is like flag football, Like do over. Somebody's
supposed to kick off and they kick it all the
way over in the neighbor's yard, and then you send
the youngest kid to go jump the fence and then

(01:24:11):
bring it over, and they're like, do over, then you
gotta start over. No, I'm saying run it back, saying
what you just did was so good. I want to
do that again. That's the basketball expression. Do you ever
have that with a woman and we're like, run that back, man,
that was great, Can we do that again? And I've
I haven't been on the dating scene, so help me
out music. Obviously you're not on the dating scene anymore,

(01:24:34):
but you were on the dating scene at one particular time.
Ramos is like me, like you know, we've been in
this relationship thing for twenty years. Apiece. Essentially, Buyer, of course,
was a like a single man forever until uh not
long ago, a couple of year and a half ago,
he got he got it hitched. But apparently these rules

(01:24:54):
and dating now, like you go on a date and
then you're not supposed to text or call into like
in his day, like ah, forget that, Like I go
if I if I were on this market, which I'm not,
but if I were, I'd be like, hey, run that back,
and the woman probably looked at me like what are
you talking about, Like let's do that again, Let's do
that again? Should we do that again? That's how I

(01:25:16):
feel about last night's National Championship game. Started out kind
of slow and neither team could score, and you're like,
this is going to be a tough, tough watch. And
then you know, I told people tech and the over
and I'm like, no way, it gets to the over,
like oh this is a hard watch, and then it

(01:25:38):
really was like a great prize fight. It was because early,
the early rounds. And this has always been my argument
about why prize fights it's a flaw. Every round should
not be graded equal. Remember when Connor McGregor fought play
Mayweather and I was like, yeah, kind of Gregor, you

(01:26:00):
know the one, you know, maybe the first round and
maybe the second round. A part of it was Floyd
Madeweather wasn't throwing any punches. He was just letting him
wear himself out so that if he did walk into
Connor McGregor's left hand, it wouldn't knock him out. It
took away any possible chance of him losing, and ultimately
the fight was stopped a couple of rounds after that. Like,
I actually think that certain rounds should matter more, which

(01:26:24):
is how it is in basketball. There are certain parts
of the game that mattered more that first round. That
first you know, four minutes, eight minutes was two teams
feeling each other out, and Virginia got out to a
ten point lead, got a little foul trouble, and Texas
Tech came storm back and Virginia hit a three pointer
before the halftime buzzer, and then Virginia had to lead

(01:26:46):
in the second half in Texas Tech retook it and
had a three point lead with fifteen seconds to go
before Kyle Guy hit a three point shot. The game
goes to overtime were once again. This time Texas Tech
takes the early lead, can hold off Virginia, and Virginia
ends up winning by a margin that's not really indicative
of how close the game was. Here's Tony Bennett National

(01:27:09):
Championship head coach after the game, the quote that my
wife actually just saw. She went to that Ted talk
and it you talk about being almost prophetic. What that
says if you learn to use it right, the adversity,
it will buy you a ticket to a place you
couldn't have gone any other way. And I don't know,
maybe we could have, but I don't know. Going through
what we did last year and having to you know,

(01:27:32):
it helped me as a coach. All the stuff that
they talked about, I think bought us a ticket to
a National championship. Yeah. Like, look the things, it's the
the things that don't kill us make us stronger. I
believe that. I believe the every you can you can
use this in life, music, or buy or whatever. Everything

(01:27:54):
that you've done, good or bad, has made you the
person you are today. And if you learn from adversity,
if you accept adversity, you accept failure as part of
the process, well then you're gonna offer yourself up to
a world of possibilities. Like, look, I've I just I've

(01:28:16):
done dumb things, dumb made, dumb career moves, said the
wrong thing at the wrong time, And I would tell
you it's cost me a couple of friendships, not many,
because most of my real friends know that I just
sometimes say what I think, and sometimes what I'm thinking
does not match up with how I feel overall, just

(01:28:37):
at that particular moment. But no dumb things. But if
you're willing to accept me and some of my flaws,
and I'm willing to learn from my mistakes, well, then
like you can accomplish unbelievable things. Think about this. For Virginia,
they didn't just we said this yesterday. They didn't us

(01:29:00):
lose in the first round as the first number one
overall seed. They lost by twenty to a sixteen seed.
By twenty they got run out of the gym by
something called Maryland Baltimore County, a general direction beat them
by twenty last year. That's amazing. And to go from

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that to these three consecutive miraculous wins which took fortitude, patience, calmness,
under durest and you know, not freaking out when they
got down late. I'm willing to say. And what happens
when you use the word luck? People freak out? Four

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letter words people freak out about use the word love.
People freak out, you know, they drive off the road
when you use the word luck. And of course there's
the other four letter words that are They get our
attention and they cause us at times to overreact. I've
dropped a good F bomb. You drop an F bomb

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and people freak out like somehow that curse word is
worse than the A word or the S word, or
the B word or any of the or the D word,
another four little word like look, it's a bad word.
They're all bad words. But you use the the the
the the four letter l word luck to describe somebody

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like WHOA? How dare you? The definition of luck is
or preparation and timing? Meat do You have to have
a great timing. You have to have great preparation and
maybe a little up from above, you know. So you

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mean to tell me that we wish each other luck
before the game, that many of us pray before sporting events,
and that when things go our way, we're not supposed
to say Hey, maybe it's help from above. Maybe it's
very fortunate. So I I I agree with Tony Bennett
and that the resilience built up. Basically what they did

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last year is, uh, they walked into a room full
of sick people, right, isn't that? Isn't that what like
a flu shot is? Right? Like a flu shot gives
you a little bit of the flu. But they were like,
hell with it, let me just get it over it.
They went and made out with their girlfriend, who clearly
had the flu, had the croup right, and got it.

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So they built up a resistance to any of any
of that influenza for years to come. That's what they did,
And I'm willing to say they were a little bit lucky,
more than a little bit a lot bit lucky. You're
down three points with five seconds and change to go

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and produce fouls, and you make the first, mistakenly missed
the second, tip it out and happened to get a
weird catching shoe jump shot at the buzzer to force overtime.
Like you don't think luck plays any sort of factor
in then nothing. Oh then you come to the semifinals,

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the final four on Saturday, and you're down four, Kyle
Guy jumps up hits a three. Jared Harper the what
scene as the clutchest player on Auburn misses the second
free throw, and then you don't make your three point shot,
but they miss a double dribble and they call a
foul on basically running underneath Kyle Guy. And then he

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makes all three free throws. I'll give it to you
that Kyle Guys made three free throws, are all skilled,
no luck, but everything that brought him to that point
very lucky. And then last night where Chris Beard, who's
like a master coach, may not be that experience that
the Vision one level, but a master coach, he made

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a mistake. He did not take Odias out of the game.
Odios makes the second free throw, puts him up three.
Now you can sub for the shooter after the second
free throw if he takes him out. The reason that
Virginia got in the lane was because Odias was in
the game. He switched on a ball screen and tied
Jerome went around him like he was standing still, and

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instead of taking a layup, Jerome passes the ball out
to a wide open DeAndre Hunter, who was very very
lucky that he was standing wide open because Jared Culver
tried to block a shot that he didn't need to block.
Two doesn't beat you at three. Three does goes to overtime.
Kyle Guys dribbling it overtime, trips over his teammates foot

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and it's mistakenly called a foul. It's lucky, and then
frankly they're lucky the way the overtime rules work, or
the the replay rules work, where uh David Moretti gets
the you know, the ball is deflected out of bounds,
but he's fouled first, and while by letter of the

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law they can call it off of him, and it
did appear to be off him, but the spirit of
the thing is generally you get foul, we miss a foul,
even if it goes off your fingertip, you'll usually get
the basketball back. Like, there's flaws to replay here. You
can't replay a trip that what didn't wasn't done by
Texas Tech. You can't replay a foul by Virginia. But

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you can replay whether or not the ball went off
of Virginia or off of or or off of Texas Tech.
Now that's a little that's more than a little that's
a lot lucky. It's a it's a four letter word,
but it is not a bad word. It's what you
pray for and hope for, and wish for and wish
for other people to be lucky. And that's what Virginia

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was because you have to prepare and you have to
have great timing, and they did have great skill, but
they also had a lot of luck, a lot of luck.
Eight seven seven nine nine Fox is the phone number.
Former head coach in college hoops analyst Steve Laps joins

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the show up coming next? What did he think of
last night's game? Was that better than Nova Carolina four
years ago? Does he have a problem with how replays
used and does he have a solution for how to
fix it? Plus, Chris mullins out does Bobby? Does Bobby
Hurley leave Arizona State for St? John's? And Mick Cronin's

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People ask all the time, well, the best player, best
team you ever played against? And they want me to
say the Florid team I lost to my last college
basketball game. I would tell you I think the best
team I ever played against was coached by our next
guest um In. I've played as a question for Notre Dame,

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and there was Notre Dames. First year in the Big East,
the fourth best team in that league was Syracuse. They
went to the national championship team. The third best team
was Georgetown. That was Alan Iverson was on that team,
uh Jahiti White, Jerome Williams, It's a junkyard dog. Victor

(01:37:10):
Page who led the Big East actually in scoring and
there was a stack squad. Othella Harrington played a long
time in the NBA, and the two best teams were
Yukon ray Allen Deron Chefferd was the point guard. Travis
Knight was one of their big guys, right, Like, that's
a stack squad. And to me, the best team we

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played was Villanova and they had Carrie Kittles. There was
like twenty game Eric Ebers who's like a six seven,
lights out shooter. Jason Lawson was their center, Alvin Williams.
They had a big guy named Chuck Cornegay who all
we did was said screens, dunk, rebound, layup, like perfectly
built team. Then they brought a freshman off the bench
named John Celistan, who eventually became a first round pick

(01:37:53):
of the Lakers. Like, they had a squad and they
lost in the first round of the tournament. And it's
not I'm not bringing When I bring in Steve Lapis,
I don't bring him into pour salt into the wound.
I bring him an he knows he's a dear friend
of mine, a former colleague of mine, works for CBS
Sports and Westwood One, and lap Like, obviously it was

(01:38:14):
different for your teams because you lost Carrie Kittles and
lost Eric Hebers. But but I mean compare and contrast
you guys lose in the first round with that great team.
Imagine if the next year you went off and won
a national championship and then did sell in the fashion
that Virginia just did. Right, there's some similarities there had
you accomplished that that task? Correct? You know? You know

(01:38:37):
the one thing I've known about you, I've known you
for years and years that you have an unbelievable insight
into not only the game, but into the people involved
in the game. I said it today on a radio show.
I said, who was able to erase the lowest professional
point of their career and do like Tony Pettet You're

(01:39:00):
six loses to a sixteenth comes back And actually, right
now Toty Bennett can laugh about that lost the UNBC.
I cannot laugh about that lost old debion because I
did not do the next year or the year after
what you would hope to do to erase those feelings.
So that's that's an unbelievable way for you to start
the show, and that it is so insightful. I can't

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they because I talked about it today. I was not
listening I love you, but I was not listening to
every every other radio show you did the other But
the way which you where you and I are like
it is like we're just we're just emotional people, right,
Like you're a you're a New York guy, like I'm
a son of a New York guy, and we we
don't have the ability like the grace where he how

(01:39:42):
he carried himself after they lost and then he just lose.
They got run out the gym by UNBC. They're one
Sea get me by twenty points. But that's the same
his his pulse never seemed to go up or down
even this year. These last three games they probably should
have lost any were all of them. But maybe it's
his demeanor. Is that Does that translate to the team?

(01:40:05):
You know what you have to think it does? You know?
And I agree with you. I mean, this is a
guy who is so even keeled it's it's really hard
to believe. And the way he handled what happened last
year and the way he's handled even winning this year.
I mean, he is somebody that really a lot of
people out there, coaches, young coaches need to emulate because

(01:40:27):
he is really I think he's a credit to the profession.
He's a tremendous coach. He's a great guy. I think
he does it the right way. And uh, you know
he's he's just one of those guys that you want
to put on a pedestal. Um. Okay, so let's go
get down to brass tacks. Um. I thought, look, I
think Chris Beard is a masterful coach. But not taking

(01:40:49):
Odiosi out he makes the free throw to put him
up three, and not going to that small lineup where
they can switch everything. I thought that was a kind
of as much as you know Colver, Culver can't come
off his man in the corner and give up a
three when you're when you're up three points, I thought
that one lack of a sub may have undid the

(01:41:10):
entire thing. You know, when when Tied Jerome is coming
off that screen on top, which by the way, I
know they switched picking rolls all year, that was probably
one they didn't have to switch, and Odiacy comes with
Tied Jr. Own coming at him full speed and he
has no shot of keeping him in front. So he

(01:41:30):
gets to the rim. And you gotta figure that these
guys are so programmed defensively by Chris Beer because he
is a tremendous coach to like converge on a guy
who's getting to the basket. Did they forget they were
up three and they should give up the two because
to leave DeAndre Hunter alone in that corner like they
did cost him the national championship. There's no doubt about it.

(01:41:54):
So I agree with odios should have been out or
if he's not out, And it's hard to say, don't
switch that because they switch it all the time, But
that was a that was a picking roll. That was
you didn't have to switch because it was so far
out and it happened so quickly you could have gone
under it and not worried about it. Instead they switched it.
Tijeroon goes completely BIODIOSI he's at the basket. They react

(01:42:18):
by coming into him, culver and lead DeAndre Hunter opened
for the shot of the Year. Um. There was a
couple of reviewed plays which create these artificial time outs,
and one the one that everyone's talking about is David
Murretty's dribbling down the court looked like he got fouled
and then the ball looked like upon further review, it
went off his fingers. You're a former player, you've coached

(01:42:40):
at every level, so you know, like this is one
of the things that replay takes away is that sometimes
if you miss a call like oh I got found,
don't worry, I'll give you the ball out of bounds, right,
you can't do that and then you go to replay
and now you can't even get away with it and
you can't go back. Is there a way to fix that, boy,
I don't know if there's a way to fix that,
you know. I mean to me, that call should not

(01:43:03):
have been overturned. I mean, d I q Day obviously
hit that ball where it was going out about from
a physics standpoint, now you can look at it and say,
did Maready get his finger on? And what? I think
that call should not have been overturned. I don't think
there was enough evidence that. Hey, there was as much
evidence there as there wasn't a call earlier that they
didn't overturn um. So I just that that was unfortunately

(01:43:27):
protect this text. I don't think that call should have
been overturned. And how about the call they they they
call him already for the trip. It wasn't even him, Yeah, now,
and and that's the problem, right, like you know, like
did are you? Are you allowed to challenge a foul
that's not a foul? Like we we just get into
this thing and this is it actually relates to and

(01:43:47):
you and I are kind of on the same side
of this thing. It's a little bit like the paying
the players thing, which is we got a great we
got a great game, and we're trying to perfect a
great game. It's just like d N a system. We
got a great system. We're trying to make it perfect
for everybody. It's just not and the more we try
and perfect it, the more we it's it's imperfect. The
more there's this unlawed, unintended consequences and we're starting to

(01:44:08):
see them, like last night when what should have been
a foul, then it gives the ball to the team
that actually committed the foul. Yeah, I mean, you know,
so you know, you go to the you go to
the monitor, and they're gonna and you gotta think they're
gonna go to the monel about more and more things.
I think in time that they're gonna go for goaltends.
I think at some point in the last two minutes.
So there's no doubt that it's taken that element out

(01:44:28):
of the game, that human element, which is part of officiating.
That's kind of starting to get taken out of the game.
All right, Listen, I don't want to be negative because
I absolutely love the game. Like I had my ten
year old son with me, and he was, you know,
he uh and he you know, he was he wanted
Michigan State to win. And then you know, like, look,

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I know those guys to those guys on on the
staff at Texas Tacker, former Ocalma State coaches, and I've
known Tony for hell third thirty years. I mean know
everybody there. But I was, you know, it was a
hard sale to ten year old boys, kind of worn
down by a final four weekend when we did everything
that he was like, his game's gonna be boring. I'm
kind of tired by the end. I mean, seventy people

(01:45:14):
on their feet. Um. Compare and contrast. You and I
sat beside each other at the end of Carolina and
Nova three years ago, Um, which one was the better
game in your opinion? Boy? You know, I'm gonna say
that one was a little better maybe, I mean, just
because of the drama of the way it ended. But

(01:45:35):
other than that, this game was as good as it
gets and and nobody expected it. You know, everybody thought
this and it started. The first eight minutes were pretty
ugly business not about it. It was really you know,
we were headed for like I could I I said
it where we were watching the game that uh, well,
I can see the articles tomorrow the college games a mess,

(01:45:56):
and look what we have here. You could see it
at the first eight minutes and then all of a
sudden they picked up. So the college game was fine.
That tremendous game last night. I would say that Villanova
winn in North Carolina because of the drama of the
last last second shot by Jenkins. I did that the age.
But this was a great, great game. With a minute ago,

(01:46:17):
Texas Tech is down two points. They get a bad
call when they reverse that thing, and that's what changed
with the minutes ago in overtime. It was a heck
of a game. Yeah it was. And remember there was
there was the other shot in the Carolina game that
tied the games double clutch. But but before the Chris
Jenkins shot. Steve lapis Uh, former Manhattan Villanova U mass

(01:46:40):
head coach fork for CBS Sports and for Westwood One
kind of suspend some time with the day after Virginia
crown National champion. Uh for the first time joins us
in the Dougallup Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You're
a New Yorker uh Bronx High School Science City College
in New York. Right, you started college and you started
coaching at at the uh UM at the City Universe
ste Right, and then of course you know made your

(01:47:02):
way on your your high school coach there, Chris Mullen
gets fired. Like Chris Mallen is a New York legend.
He's a pro guy. And like, look, those of us
who covered it new that he wasn't he wasn't a
detailed guy. But he did make the n c A
Tournament this year. And now St. John's the last two
coaches they fired have both made the n c A Tournament.

(01:47:24):
And you know, look, is it is it still a
great job? Like we lived so much on that nineteen
eighties St. John's. You're a New Yorker. What's the state
of St. John's job as of today? Doug? It was
way different when they were good, first of all, when
they were really good, and then Chris Mullen, Walter Berry,
Malik Seeley, Mark Jackson, Ron Art Test all those guys,

(01:47:47):
they all came through the Riverside A youth program. So
Ernie Launch was a graduate of St. John's. He sat
behind Louis for twenty five years. Those kids from Riverside Church,
we they're going to St. John's or when he went
to Law School Virginia, that's where they went. I gave
up recruiting those guys. Now that Ernie lawd has since

(01:48:09):
passed away, the Riverside Church programs not the same. And
the other thing was Carnesta told me he would walk
into a kid's home on a home visit to say,
give me a napkin. It was his rasty blush, give
me a napkin right on the napkin, like twenty dollars
that's what they could legally give you because they had
no dorms. So now St. John's is a commuter school

(01:48:31):
that has built dorms, so kids have to stay on campus,
can't give him money. Ernie laws is no longer than
people ask what's happened to St. John's. That's what happened
to St. John's. They have to reinvent themselves somehow, and
it's not that easy to do, so I think it's
a great job. I don't. And the other thing a problem.
The other problem with St. John You play in Madison

(01:48:51):
Square Garden, which with eight thousand people in it or
nine thousand people, and it's not a great home court.
And to establish a program, as you know, you got
your games at home. Yeah, you can do that when
the gardens full, but how do you get the garden
full when you're trying to build the thing up. St.
John's is a difficult job. I'm not saying they can't

(01:49:13):
win New York. It's changed. When people think about St.
John's in the past, it's not what it was. No,
And you also don't have You may play Syracuse in
a year and you Kon a year, but you don't
every year play Syracuse. You don't every every year play Yukon.
You don't every year play the old big East schools

(01:49:34):
in the garden. You still have Nova, you still have Georgetown.
Georgetown's obviously not what was so in addition to UH,
in addition to trying to build the program up, and
it's less of a it's not a St. John's town anymore.
If they still like a big event with a big
event town. You're not playing those traditional rivalries in the
garden on a Monday night or on a Saturday night

(01:49:56):
where you're drawing those huge crowds, no question about Doug
and that's and so you put all that stuff together.
And don't get me wrong. St. John's can be good
in this big East. Put this way, they got a
better chance of being because this big East than that
old big East. And that's not knocking this big East.
You think that. You know, Villanova has been national champs

(01:50:17):
two of the last three years, but they definitely have
some things they have to They got to get the
right guy in there right now. They still got um.
We mentioned your East Coast guy you coached and Nova
he coached at Manhattan. You coached at U Mass And
even though you Mass is up in New England several
hours north, at least you can draw on the East

(01:50:38):
Coast and East Coast prep schools. Mick Cronin's pretty a
Cincinnati guy, right His dad was high school coach there.
He was a high school coach there, He became an
assistant there. He went to Murray State, which is not
that far away, a couple hours away a Louisville, Cincinnati
has always been that area. Now he's coming out to
l A. How difficult do you believe it is for
a coach in this day and age to make a

(01:50:58):
transition from always being in one area the country to
be down the West coast. Well, you know what, Doug,
you probably can speak to that better than me, and
that you you know, you lived obviously in Los Angeles
area for a long time. It can't be easy now.
The one thing I'll say about mc crown though, is
he's he has a chance to get better players where

(01:51:20):
he is now because I think California is loaded. So
I mean, can he get those guys? Those guys come
and play the way and they have to be willing
to be coached hard, as you know, because that's what
he does. But he's a tremendous coach and he's gonna
have a chance to get better talent than you've ever
gotten to Cincinnati. Can he get those guys? It's u

(01:51:41):
c l A. I gotta think they're gonna get those guys.
Gonna be some of them that are not gonna want
to be coached hard. And you know he has a
reputation for coaching guys hard. He's a coach but he's
gonna coach the hard. It's gonna be more about selecting
than it is about recruiting. And uh, there's some pitfalls there,
but those are those are for my eight dollars a
year from a for a you know, former high school

(01:52:03):
coach in Cincinnati to a guy who they were they
were on when he first got the job. There, that's
a it's a pretty good come up. It's a Lap
great job in the tournament as always this year. Miss
working with you and seeing your face on a daily basis.
Now get out and hit some golf balls in him,
long and straight, all right, always missing dog. You're the best,
Thanks man, alright. Steve lap is good friend of mine,
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(01:52:47):
including some news just in from the NFL. The league
and the Players Association releasing a joint statement saying that
the sides met to discuss negotiations on a new collective
bargaining agreement league in the Union. According to the statement,
have committed to meet regularly in the coming months. The
current cb A will expire following the NFL season. More

(01:53:10):
NFL news is the Patriots of sound kicker Stephen Goskowski
to a two year deal, while potential number one overall
pick Kyler Murray will meet with the Arizona Cardinals in
the Deserts on Wednesday in the sixty five game preseason
schedule for the NFL was released. It all starts August
first in Canton with the previously announced matchup of the
Broncos and Falcons in the Hall of Fame Game u

(01:53:31):
c l A naming former Cincinnati and coach mccronin as
the Bruins new men's basketball coach. You guys just talked
about it. Corona gets a six year deal or twenty
four million dollars. Day Baseball Red Sox trying to fight back,
but Tarrell the Blue Jay seven to five right now
on the bottom of the ninth inning at Fenway, while
the Rays have an eight five lead on the White
Sox in the ninth on Chicago South Side. Indians dropped
the Tigers today eight to two. Some suspensions handed out

(01:53:54):
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over the weekend. Pirates pitcher Chris Archer, it's five games
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place Pitture hundred Rio on the ten day I L
with a groin strain. John Lester on the I L
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every day this time on the Dug got Leaves Show,
we'd like to um, we like to get as many
stories to you as possible. Right, there's a lot of
stuff going on. You know him at the National Championship
Game last night. You might have heard about some of
the coaching change. Um. You know, look, we we got
some great stuff for you. A matter of fact, Dan
Buyer is gonna bring it all back force. I'll comment

(01:55:57):
on every story we call it the press. The press,
M dan by what you got, my friend. We'll start
off in the Association tonight in the NBA, some season
finales for a bunch of teams, including the New Orleans Pelicans.
You touched on this a bit earlier, but Anthony Davis

(01:56:18):
showed up to his last game of the season wearing
a Looney Tunes That's All Folks T shirts as the
Pelicans host the Warriors tonight in New Orleans season finale.
Can you do That's? I can't top that. I can
tell you that much, so there would be no point
in me doing it. Start. It's an interesting choice of
of attire for your final game. Maybe it is warm

(01:56:41):
in in New Orleans, so you want to wear a
T shirt, But for that one, yeah, I thought it
was intriguing. Why. I don't why? What? What is the
win in those? No? Seriously, what is the win in
those kinds of shirts? You know, these these guys that
all say like, I don't want any rama, So why
did you wear That's all folks? Like? He just couldn't

(01:57:04):
have worn like a Nike hoop shirt, right, Yeah, he
could have worn a Calvin peeing on a Chevy logo
or something there you go, there you anything, Rama's can
you do it? That's all, folks. I cannot so weak?
Come on, Rama's try, But what do you have to

(01:57:27):
lose my trying? I'm doing it right now. Hold on
a second. That's that's all, folks. Okay, maybe maybe it's
better than he didn't ask what do you? What do
you have there? Buy er? Keep going? Oh bucks Ford
yannas Suntenna Compo turned down an opportunity to appear in

(01:57:48):
Space jam To. Janna said the filming schedule will take
him out of his off season work for a couple
of weeks, and also told the ESPN, I don't like
being Hollywood end quote. I mean, look, I the I
don't want to be Hollywood. No one want that. That
is not when Lebron James had that calendar page from

(01:58:09):
the l A Times where it talks about him producing
all these shows and says Hollywood and the glass like
Hollywood is not is not a term of endearment. When
somebody says you've gone to Hollywood, that is not a
nice thing. That's like girl next door is a nice thing,
right when you're Hollywood not a nice thing. And I

(01:58:32):
think Jannese is sitting there going like, hey, man, I
don't know enough about America. All I do know is
I don't want to be judged the guy that goes Hollywood.
Overnight TV writings for Monday's n C Double A championship
game between the Virginia and Texas Tech were down fourteen
percent from the last time the Tunnel game was on
CBS in two seventeen. The game average nineteen point six
million viewers, which was the lowest on CBS since the

(01:58:54):
CBS Turner merger of n C Double A tournament coverage. Yeah,
I mean, that's says the reason. It's it's one of
the things that people have to understand that the name
appeal of the team wasn't there were no blue bloods.
There weren't there. There's only like five schools in college
basketball which give you a real ratings Duke obviously the biggest,
especially this year, Resigned North Carolina, Syracuse, Kansas, UM. Maybe huh,

(01:59:21):
that's about it. That's a bad it. I mean, I
do you know, I think Big ten schools like a
Michigan and a Michigan State is still pretty good. Louisville
when they were good, obviously, did I say Kentucky. Yeah,
I did say Louisville too in that, but outside that,
you know, these two teams were not traditional names and
then some of it was their their style. But it's

(01:59:43):
a great game. So I don't know, it's a great game.
Who are you? I'm not mccronin or is the local
TV station in l A called the Mark Crowning. It
was Mike mccronin u c L as new Ends basketball
coach Chris malanofficially stepping down at St. John's, And that means,

(02:00:05):
does does Bobby really take that job and go back
home per se? Be fascinating to see if he does so.
Bobby's super competitive guy. Dad former coach at uh In
High School in St. Anthony's in New Jersey where he
played in Jersey City, and you know he got his
brother trying to re establish Yukon. I don't know. I

(02:00:27):
just I do think he's got a good gig in
Arizona State. I understand what home is, but it's you
don't have to shovel snow, and you don't have to
you have to fight traffic like that, and you live
in Tempe and look, he made the tournament both the
past two years. You make the tournament. St. John's doesn't
mean you keep your job. Stephen I was fired after
they make the tournament. Chris Mallen fired after they make

(02:00:48):
the tournament. Cardinals quarterback Josh Rosen not made available to
the media today during the first media session of the
Cardinals off season program. Yeah it was here. It also
wasn't available. You weren't allowed to look. He wasn't in
the weight room because that way they couldn't watch him
lift weights. Like just this whole thing. They just keep

(02:01:08):
butchering this. If you have nothing to hide, don't hide anything.
And Josh Rosen is a big boy. He can handle
himself in front of the media. And if he says, like, look,
I'm the quarterback here and I'm gonna remain the quarterback here. Fine.
If he says I want to be traded, fine, Like
he's a grown up. You can give him and you know,
you can give him an assignment and he will do it.

(02:01:29):
And uh, Doug, one more for you. Tiger was unveiled
a new logo on a shirt today, with the logo
being a depiction of his tiger headcover for his driver
named Frank. Maybe something for all the kids, but a
cartoon of the tiger head cover. Uh. I think it's
something that you could sell to kids. And uh, Frank,

(02:01:52):
that's that's all folks. But deep, deep, deep, that's all
folks get out there. That was the press, Frank, I
gotta look at this one. I have not I've not
seen that that new logo that you're discussing. I think
it's it's kind of cool, cartoonish, cartoon ish. Maybe it's
for his kids, you know. Still, are you rooting for

(02:02:14):
him to win or to lose? I won't root for
him to lose. No, if he's in it, I'll probably
be full. But do you want him to be in
it so that people pay attention to look at the
sport that you love. I just want a good tournament.
I I just want excitement. I don't care. It would
be great if you was in it, if anybody's in it,
as long as it's good at the end. All right,

(02:02:34):
great stuff. We'll talk more about that tomorrow on the
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