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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
So that's what life is a Buffalo Bills fan is
apparently all about Aaron Torres, the ups and downs, and
in the end disappointment is Buffalo could not get it
done last night against the Texans.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's tough watch if you're a Bills fan. Josh Allen
getting killed out there. You know, there's not too many
times in his career where I feel like he's been
overwhelmed by a defense. Like even when he loses games,
it's like, you know, thirty one to twenty eight and
he has two passing touchdowns and a rushing touchdown. That
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was one of the few times in his career that
I felt like he was completely helpless.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We'll get to the issues of the Buffalo Bills, what
it means short term and specifically long term. Four team
that at times looked lost last night Jason Stewart's our
executive producer, Iowa Sam is here. You heard Monci Belanio.
She is at the news desk. We're sitting in today
for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio to let
you know Doug's Green Bay Fighting Phoenix just dropped their
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opener in the Paradise Jam to Yale, losing today seventy
three to sixty seven, so a tough start to the tournament.
Phoenix were close throughout the game, but couldn't get it
done at the end as Yale ends up getting the victory.
I don't know if we had ever thought last night
that the Texans were going to run away from the
Buffalo Bills, especially with Davis Mills at quarterback. But when
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you have a defense swarming like they did of the
Bills offense, it made for a tough tough night for Buffalo.
Josh Allen sacked eight times, had two interceptions, The last
one was on the final offensive player of the game
for Buffalo, ultimately Aarin. They did have a chance to
steal this game, no matter how you look at it,
and it started out James Cook ends up getting a
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touchdown run early in the contest. About forty fifty yards out,
so the Bills weren't really missing a beat early on
from what they did last week against Tampa, and then
Houston's defense just ultimately overwhelms Josh Allen. This is what
the Bills quarterback had to say after the game.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Can you even put into words how I did just
to get through a game, like get most sacks of
your career?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Yeah, it's not fun.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
I ran into a couple myself. I gotta be better
throwing the ball away and living to see another down
and letting this play some situational football and panting them
deep and too many times I was going backwards and
I gotta be better on that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'm not shocked that Josh Allen was sacked eight times,
even though it was Amazon. Every single time he was
sacked had a new new stat like most time sacked
since twenty twenty three, most times sacked since twenty twenty two,
tied for the most time sacked in his career, Like
every single time Houston was getting after them, there was
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a new stat for the graphics department to put on
the screen. I'm sure it was somewhat difficult for Josh
Allen to put into words. He took some of the
blame himself. The toughest part about it, though, Aaron Torres,
is how this team is so flip floppy. They're so
They just came off of a game where they dominated
offensively against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Josh Allen for
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the second time in his career are three passing touchdowns
and three rushing touchdowns. I understand things even out in
the National Football League, but this roller coaster of the
Buffalo Bills is who the Buffalo Bills are, and I
think that is what's so frustrating for this Bills fan base.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So let me ask you a question. I'm just gonna
not beat around the bush. Do you think that Sean
McDermott's message is being lost? And let me give you
be very quick and I'll give you both sides.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
One.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Obviously, understand there's some limitations. You know, there's some holes
on the team. This isn't far from the most complete
roster in the NFL. The counter is they seem to
be able to get themselves up for big games. The
Kansas City Chiefs, the Tampa Bay Bucks that you just
reference lost to the Falcons lost to Houston last night.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Obviously, the other big loss. Who am I missing? Oh?
The Dolphins does. Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So I just think that is the mark of a
team that what's the right word. I don't want to
say they don't like it, but it just feels like
this thing has run its course. He's been there from
the beginning. They've made multiple AFC championship games. They haven't
gotten over the hump. And like I said, the mark
of a team that has sort of checked out on
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its coach is one in which they get up for
the big games. They don't get up for the in
between games. And that's kind of been the roller coaster.
To use the word that you just said of this
Bills team.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I think it's I don't think it's I don't
think that they've lost the message for Sean McDermott, or
from Sean McDermott. I don't think that this team is
a good front runner.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Fair.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't think that they handle success. And while you
were racking your mind for the other loss that the
Bills had this season, I went to the Patriots loss.
And I probably went to that loss because that was
after a four and oh start to the season and
a fourn oh start to the season.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Where at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And I remember saying Jason Stewart and I we were
in Buffalo when they beat the Dolphins in Week three.
They go, they beat the Saints in Week four, and
then you have New England coming to town. Four of
their first five games this season were at home in
Buffalo against opponents that were a mixed bag of Baltimore
and the opener we saw, they came back and won,
Dolphins weren't doing much, mentioned the Saints, and then you
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had a rival in New England who ends up coming
up in biting them on Sunday Night football, handing them
their first loss of the season. But you think about
the beginning of the year, Chiefs started out zero to two.
The Ravens ended up having Lamar Jackson injured in Week four,
but Buffalo beat him in Week one. The Ravens stumbled
out of the gate. Everything that you needed to happen
for Buffalo to take control of this AFC, it all
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happened early on in the season and just run away
with him, Yes, absolutely, and they were unable to do it.
I don't think it's solely on Sean McDermott's plate. I
think that Brandon being the general manager and the construction
of the team that you mentioned, that's got something to
do with it. I'm not blaming injuries, not blaming ed
Oliver not being there. Every team's got injuries to deal with,
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So that's Granneddy's a big piece, but that's not the
only reason on why they are up and down. Kean
Coleman being out of the lineup hard him last night.
It didn't hurt him the week before. I think there
is this essence of Buffalo and maybe it's Josh Allen
last night. Maybe guys just weren't getting open because the
Texans defense is better than what Tampa's is. I think
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they have a very difficult time being a front runner,
I think, and maybe it represents the city, maybe it
represents the Bills mafia. They are better off being the
team to come out of nowhere or to go on
a hot streak, and whenever you put expectation on them
or feel that this is the team to beat, they
don't rise to the occasion. And last night I felt
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was the example. I mean, the Texans are coming off
of a blase win against the Tennessee Titans. They were
just able to win sixteen to thirteen in that contest. Well,
we talked about Buffalo going up and down the field
and Josh Allen throwing the football here, there and everywhere,
and everybody's getting involved. And last night they just seem
to resort back to the team that maybe was afraid
of the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, and I think to your point about you know,
not being a good front runner that and this isn't
like some you know, profound take. That's the most frustrating part,
is you see because I remember on you know, the
shows that I do, early on in the season, everything
is opening up for the Buffalo Bills. You know, Lamar's injury,
the Chiefs are struggling out of the gate. You know,
the South is obviously gonna you know, the AFC South
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is going to AFC South, and you know, I like Indianapolis,
but peak Indianapolis and what we thought was going to
be peak Buffalo early in the season, you don't think
it lines up. And now I think that's the frustrating part,
right is if it's if it's a down year, but
you know, the Chiefs are running away with their division,
and you say, you know, maybe it's just not the
right roster construction and the wrong injuries at the wrong times,
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but it does feel like there's an opening here with
again no disrespect attendant, but a Colts team. Do people
really believe that they can win the AFC? A young
Patriots new coach, second year quarterback. And that's the part.
I'm not even a Buffalo Bills fan, and I'm frustrated
because I feel like they had frankly about a four
or five year window now, but that this was shaping
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up to really be the window wide open, and instead
they've kind of shut it on themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
To your what has ended up turning. And I'm curious
on Jason Stewart's thoughts on this. Jason and I commented
when we saw in Buffalo a sign in paraphrasing, but
it was like, this is our year, really.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Veryzanc So it was an open, just conversation, this is it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But that was the sense that we had talked about
that it felt like this was the opportunity for the Bills.
When we were at that game against the Dolphins and
just seeing stuff around town, Jason really felt like this
is the year where the Bills mafia is putting their
eggs all into the basket.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It sure seems so, and I think it has something
to do with maybe like sending this old stadium out
with the championship and that you know tomorrow's kind of
a new day is going to be the new Bills.
And there just seemed to be an urgency about this season.
I don't know if they were referring to their roster
strength or anything else, or maybe the Chiefs show a
little bit down, but there was I forget the mantra,
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and I'm trying to look it up, but it had
something to do with very high expectations, not like Winter
go Home or Super Bowl or bus, but it was
high expectations as you walked around.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I swear it was something as simple as this is
our year. But what I think that also like signifies
is this is why it's the tipping point. It's not
only does Sean McDermott stay the message that you get
with Buffalo now and if you just follow anything on
social media about the Bills, you're hearing more and more
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we are wasting Josh Allen's years.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I've been saying that for three years and so and
so that that is now where the tide is turned
to this point where you feel like you've had this
window and now it's different. So if it doesn't happen
this year, if they don't go on a heater in
the playoffs, and if you look at their remaining schedule,
it's it's not as difficult. There's a game against the
Egos they've got coming up, but they play the Jets again.
They've got winnable games. They should make the postseason. But
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I'm just wondering if them just making the postseason is
going to be their best way to run through the
playoffs as opposed to winning the division, being the number
one seed and having that bulls eye on their back.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, it's funny, you know. So I host Saturday Night's
eleven pm Eastern, and I you know, we start our
text conversations today. So I'll give credit to my partner,
Jason Marn. I'll ask you this. He mentioned Ohio State
football last year. He said, it didn't you know, they
just got They just had to get in the playoff
and once they did, it was on them to flip
a switch, and they did. Is that kind of what
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you're insinuating here, is that it doesn't really matter where
they get in as long as they get in.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Is that kind of what you're in sinuating.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I think I do think the loss to Michigan
really fueled Ohio State in that run last year. But
I think it would be hard to argue that Ohio
State had the best talent probably of any team in
college football last year that ultimately it was channeled in
the right way. I don't think the Bills have the
best talent in the National Football League. I just feel,
for whatever reason, they can't get these things done in
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certain situations. And the win over the Kansas City Chiefs
earlier this year was nice, but the Chiefs are sitting
there on the outside looking in right now, and.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They've had regular season success against the Chiefs too.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yes, yeah, absolutely. You know, I look back to a
couple of years ago and Joe Burrow and the Bengals
just went into Buffalo after a season and one a
divisional playoff game. I think that there's I look at
them like the Packers of twenty ten, and the Packers
of twenty ten were a team that needed to win
a couple of games at the end of the regular
seas to just get into the playoffs, and he thought
if they could get in, they could do some damage.
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Not only did they do damage, they won three on
the road and won the Super Bowl against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
What happened the next year, they went fifteen to one
bout out in the Divisional playoffs against the New York Giants,
And to date it's Aaron Rodgers' only Super Bowl win,
and since then it's the most recent appearance by the
Packers in a Super Bowl. So the Buffalo Bills maybe
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aren't the only team that sometimes doesn't handle being the
top dog the best. But looking at last night, it's
just tough to see how this team could go on
a streak like that, considering they weren't able to protect
Josh Allen. But again, it's me coming off of the
huge expectations of them taking care of the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers in Week eleven, where again Josh Allen had his
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hand in six separate touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, two quick things is one. I think that's the part.
That last part that gets to me is what have
we seen that makes us actually believe that they'll do it,
other than that they have Josh Allen quarterback, because we
haven't seen very much since Week two week three to
indicate that they can not say that they can't we
just haven't seen it, but too what you said is
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something that I've been on for two or three years,
is that because of the way Josh Allen plays, I think,
you know, I think Tom Brady kind of screwed everything
up for everybody where we just assume like everyone's peak
goes goes to forty years old, and like one, it's
just not that way.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Two, especially a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
The way that the number of we all watch the games,
you know, the number of times that he gets slammed
into that hard turf every Sunday in Buffalo, It's like,
you know, that guy's gonna fall off pretty quickly. And
he is now thirty years older. He will be thirty
years old, you know, a start of next season is
like you don't get an infinite number of years with
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this guy. And that's been my frustration with this whole era.
You know, I really quick side tangent, but I was
on air with Ephram Salam last year in the playoff
when they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, and it's
just like they can't get over the hump. It's the
same thing over and over, and it's sometime you have
to hit reset. And I understand AFC championship game. I
get it. I get the concept of it's late in January,
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who are you gonna get? And it's like, I understand
all of these hypotheticals. What I also understand is that
the prime of one of the great football talents we
have ever seen is being wasted. Maybe it changes this year.
The one last thought that I do have, I think
part of I think part of why this isn't a
bigger story is because of how much the Chiefs are struggling.
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Like if the Chiefs were eight in two this year
rolling to another division title and the Bills were sitting
where they are even with the seven and four record,
you'd say, here we go again. So anyway, the only
point I'm trying to make is I do think the
point that you brought up is a good one is
that if they get in the playoffs, you know, they
probably match up well with anybody and they might not
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have to go through KC this year. The counter to
that is, like, it does feel like, darn, are they
wasting some great years of Joshua?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I think your point of through case is physically
the city of having to go and travel to Kansas
City as well, not even just of playing the Chiefs.
You may have an opportunity where you got to go
to Denver and New England and Indianapolis instead of of
go to the case one.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Quick, quick, quick buffalo question. Does the does the perception
of their season change if they lose either early in
the playoffs or whatever. But it's not to Casey in
other words, like coming into the year with Super Bowl
or bust. They gotta get there. To your point, you
were there week two, Week three, this is our year.
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If they lose in the divisional round to just the
Broncos or something, is that still a failure.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's still a failure because of what you of what
we've just talked about. The teams that normally stood in
their way aren't standing in their way right now. Like
if you can get past New England and get past
New England and Tom Brady towards ACL then than great
or the year where he has to sit for four games,
or like whatever the case is. You've got to take
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that window because you don't know how long it's going
to be there. And no matter how good or bad
the Chiefs are this year, I still think they're going
to be around and they're going to be there as
long as Patrick Mahomes is there. So anytime you can
make Hay without them being possibly part of the equation,
you have to take advantage of it. Throw on the expectations.
If they don't go to the super Bowl this year,
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I think it's an ultimate, ultimately a disappointing season for
Bill's Mafia.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So I agree dred percent with all that this is
the best of the Done Dot Leap Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A Happy Friday to you. You've made it to the
end of the week, and I think a lot of people, Aaron,
are you gonna have it a cruise control next week?
Because of the Thanksgiving holiday? So a lot of people
in a good mood today. It's not just Moncei jacked
up on her caffeine. Everybody's got a little bit of
pep in their step. Jason Stewart this year, Iowa Sam
is here. I was Sam's getting ready for a Thanksgiving holiday.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I'm checked up.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
He's giving the Richard Nixon peace victory signs. She's ready to.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Go have a midday college basketball on.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know, it's you know, it's some sort of something
when there's midday college basketball that is.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
And there that is true.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Charleston right now has their annual Thanksgiving tournament.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
This is Greenbrier, West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Okay, I I don't I'm not familiar, but I'm told
the resort is very nice.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yes, oh, they've built I haven't been there, but golf
courses used to hold a PGA Tour event It's how
to Live event. They also have built an NFL facility
for really for teams to hold training camps, and when
teams on the West Coast sometimes have to stay on
the East Coast for back to back games or even
go to Europe, sometimes they'll stay at the Green Briar
and work out at those facilities.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I had. There's no idea. Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
This tournament that's on right now started about two or
three years ago, and I did do a quick Google
dive because I was like, why random West Virginia. But
it is not random, as I found out. But I
didn't know quite all of those things about it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, the magnificent spot that I'd love to go, have
heard great things about, but have not made it to.
West Virginia is one of the I don't want to
say a few states is probably about ten or twelve
that I haven't been to, but I've never been to
West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
True story.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I have been to about forty six or so, maybe
forty four, and West Virginia is one that I have
not either.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
It's kind of probably been to Ohio. I've been to
Ohio for sure. Yeah, you've probably been to Pennsylvania, definitely
been a Pennsylvania. Have probably been to Virginia.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But yeah, I've been to Alaska and Hawaii. But it's
just never taking you to West Virginia. Even though all
those surrounding states you've been to, you just haven't been
into West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Those country roads. They did not take me home. No fu.
There are certain states like that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
For me. It's like Kansas. I've never been to Kansas
and I've never been to Arkansas. Sure, but I've been
to the spots around all of those places. Iowa, Sam,
You've did you say you've never been to Kansas, never
been to Kansas, but you've been to and you've never
been to ar Kansas. Correct, Okay, Yes, I just like
want to go back then. I've been to Colorado, been
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to Oklahoma. Jason and I were in Oklahoma last year
for Doug's opener against Oklahoma state.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know what weird state I've never been to, which
I feel like I should have at this point. I've
actually never been to Michigan, and you feel like major commerce.
Now the final four is either next year or the
year after, so I'll probably go. But uh, you know,
big city, big college sports, Michigan, Michigan state.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I've never been to the state of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Jason Stewart and view, Uh, is there any state on
your US map that you would like to color in
that you've been in.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I've heard a lot about Oregon. It's kind of my
temperament too, kind of like rainy and dreary, and uh,
it's beautiful, lot of hiking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I think that would be a spot for you. Absolutely,
Sam Well.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
I was just gonna say, Uh, I've done the trick
from Iowa to Pennsylvania a couple times, and you usually
will drive through Wheeling, West Virginia to get into Pennsylvania.
So I have driven through the Green Hills of West Virginia.
Very beautiful state.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Really, you don't just go straight through Chicago, off through
Gary Across for some reason.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
It's just always taken me through Wheeling there a little
parcel of West Virginia then going into Pennsylvania. I'm surprised
I've not been to Montana. I'd love to go. There've
been to Wyoming, I've been to some of the surrounding states.
Have not been to Montana. Have you been to Mississippi.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I've not been to Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Lane Kiffin has. It's just how long will he be
in Mississippi is the question. And we could find out
erin Torres quite possibly as soon as today. I was
not snooping erin Torres. But I know you were looking
at a flight plan. No, someone took a flight plan
on a tweet and made their own drawing. Well it
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was it was not an actual flight plan. You know
what they drew, But that's people trying to track Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Well, no, what I was actually looking at. He's been
posting like no'll just put it that way. I don't
know if he's been posting Bible versus or something, but
they're very specific, like be in the moment, da da
da da. So some guy put out on Twitter this morning.
Lane Kiffin's devotional book is getting eerily specific and a
little biting, and it opens with your ranked fifth in
the nation, around the cusp of the college football playoffs,
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so it was obviously a photo shop of these very
emo things that Lane Kiffin has been posting. But to
your point, Dan, I don't think we're gonna get any
clarification by the end of the show. But Lane Kiffin
is scheduled to meet with his AD today and I
guess what I would say is I think if the ad,
if he tells the AD that I'm not in a
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rush to make a final decision, like like, I think
there's this perception like would Ole miss.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Really move off of him in the middle of a
playoff run.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I think they would because I think they've they've sat
there and said, we've given you everything that you've ask for,
We've done it your way, we've been whatever, and it's like,
we can't wait until the middle of December into maybe
January for you to make a final decision because it
cuts our roster, it limits the people that could potentially
replace you, and if you don't plan on being here
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long term, or more specifically, if you're not sure at
some point, we do need an answer because I think
they they're not going to be left at the altar,
And so there is a meeting today, and like I said,
if they get the impression that he really needs another
couple weeks to look around, I think they really seriously
may kick him to the curb.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
If so.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Kiffin on the Pat mccaffee Show said that there was
no ultimatum given previously. Now to your point, there may
be one today. The conversation that has built up is
if Lane Kiffin isn't the coach for ole Miss after
the Egg Bowl next week against Mississippi State, should that
alter their ranking in the college It's interesting conversation and
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I we touched on it briefly yesterday. I think it's
different than Jordan Travis. I think it's different with players.
I don't think that it should affect their standing. We
saw Florida State play a game without Jordan Travis and
it wasn't good. We saw Ohio State play their game
without j T. Barrett with Cardi al Jones and it
was really good and that allowed them to get into
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the into the bracket. It's now different with a twelve
team bracket as opposed to just the four, but I
think it's I don't think that ole Miss should be
penalized if Lane Kiffin were to leave and then not
coach the team in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, I think it becomes how do you quantify, Like,
how would you quantify, like, do there if they finish
eleven and one with Lane Kiffin? Is he worth a win?
Is he worth two wins? Is he worth a ranking?
Is he worth whatever? Like, I actually agree with you.
I think it's an interesting conversation, and it's one where,
like you know, sometimes you just kind of see stuff
percolate on social media and you say, well, that's just
(23:58):
the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I don't think this
is dumb from the perspective of it isn't a conversation
that we're allowed to have. Like, I think it makes
sense to at least bring up this conversation. But I
don't think the committee can sit there and say, well,
they were the sixth seed, but now that Lane Kiffin's gone,
there the nine seed. I don't think they can do that.
I don't think that they would. But a couple of things. One,
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you know, Ole miss has to win one more game
before we figure all that out. And then two, I
think as importantly, we've got to see how everything else
shakes up.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Are you and I'm just guessing in this, but I'm
getting a sense that maybe you're not loving what's going
on with Lane Kiffin. Will that be a fair assessment
you're not loving all of the gamesmanship.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I think two things are true. I think any life
choice you make, I think you're certainly allowed to evaluate
everything and gather information. And so I think I don't
think Lane Kiffin purposely I wanted it to get out
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that his family was basically doing an SEC tour earlier
this week, So I understand that. What I also do understand.
What I also do believe is that you are in
the middle of the greatest season in the history of
Oless football, at least since all of us have been alive.
I don't know what happened in nineteen fifty seven with
Johnny vaud as the head coach, whatever, I do believe
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that you kind of owe it to these people, this
fan base that has had your back, that gave you
a shot when nobody else was really in line to
hire you at an SEC caliber job, to not string
it along because the thing is, like, you know, you, obviously,
being in sports, you're probably a little bit more in
tune with it than most. But his last three or
four press conferences, not even forget after the Florida game.
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I'm talking the Monday Tuesday in the lead up to
the Florida game. It was very specific questions about are
you gonna be the coach here next year? What makes
a great job, And it's just taking such a spotlight
off of your team and off of a school that
has given you so much opportunity. So I guess what
I would say is I understand him wanting to do
the due diligence, but now that it's out, I don't
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think you can string this along for another three weeks
and say I'll make because because in a quick backstory,
every old Miss fan two weeks ago, their boilerplint response
was he doesn't make any decisions until after the season.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
That's how he's always done it.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Whatever, Well, this season literally might not end until the
middle of January, but at minimum probably will not get
any sort of real resolution until Christmas time. And I
don't think you can wait that long in this era.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
See I look at Ole Miss and from their position
right now, I understand that you wouldn't want to wait
till January eight, or if you're happening to make the
championship game and go on a run. You wouldn't want
to wait till the third or fourth week of January
to end up finding a head coach. But if Lane
Kiffin being at ole Miss at that point would lead
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them through the playoffs, I don't know how ole Miss
say we don't want you here. I don't think it's
the Beau chem Beckler to have a Michigan man and
telling Bill Frieder you're not going to coach this team
because you took the Arizona State job. We're going with
Steve Fisher way back when nineteen eighty nine. I don't
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think that that's the case with ole Miss. To your
point of this being the greatest ole Miss season that
they would have had that they may have had in history,
if he delivers on that, especially in today's day and
age of transfer portal, I understand that the late window,
but I would almost sacrifice that to be able to
have the run that you could have with your head coach.
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I just don't know if LSU would want to wait
that long or Florida would want to wait that long
to And I don't know if Florida's still in it
or not. Maybe they are, Maybe they aren't. But if
I'm LSU, I can't I understand the pride of it all.
But this is your special season and to let it run.
I just I would want him to be the head coach.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay, I'm gonna do the worst thing in radio. And
you and I have had this conversation. I'm gonna say
I actually see both sides of that conversation. I absolutely
see your side of you have a chance to do
something really special and you worry about the end.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
At the end, I think the way.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Old missees it is, Hey, dude, we and it's in
large part because of Lane Kiffin. It's like we are
on the precipice because of you, but because you also
told us what we need from a financial standpoint, from
an infrastructure standpoint, from whatever. And we believe that we
can keep this going if there is a world that
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you are not part of this. What we don't believe
can happen is we wait until late December when all
of the good candidates are gone. We wait until late
December when the signing you know, when the signing class
either has to sign.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Or they don't.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
We wait until late December when the portal is opening.
We still don't even have a coach. Our players can
go in, but we have nobody to recruit them. Yes,
this job is great, large part because of you now,
but this job is also now great period, and we
could lose a lot of the momentum that we've built
up over the last four or five six years thanks
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in large part to you, but that we don't want
to put ourselves in. So I actually see both sides.
I actually think your point is very salient and like
on brand of like, you don't get many chances anywhere
to win championships and if you're eleven and one and
you're in position to do it, just ride it out
and whatever happens after happens after. But I understand their
point of like basically, hey, this is now a great
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job and we're gonna lose a ton of momentum if
you walk out on December twenty ninth and we don't
really have a backup plan ready for you.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Do you think that ole Miss will rise to the
level of what LSU is like in terms of competing finances, revenues,
what they put in. I don't think that they can.
I don't think that they will. So, like I don't
blame don't blame Lane Kiffen for competing thing with ole Miss.
And the reason I asked the question is it actually
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takes some gumption to be like, this is the reality
of it. This is the reality, and I understand the reality.
So to sit there and think that you're gonna compete, like,
no matter how great schools were in the Big Ten,
they always do that. Michigan and Ohio State were different
beasts and some of the reasons schools had successes because
they understood that they understood what their path is. Now
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college sports has changed over the last couple of years,
but instead of trying to become a Michigan in Ohio State,
you have to find your own past. And I'm siscon
exactly specifically, it's who I had in mind, maybe even
Iowa for that matter, and talking about the Hawkeyes and
realizing we're never gonna be that, so let's figure out
the best way for us to succeed. I think that
would show something with ole Miss, because I don't think
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that they can and I don't think it's a guarantee.
We've seen how people have tried to fill in at Florida.
They still haven't found anybody to replace Urban Meyer. After
all of these years, we've tried, like, it's no guarantee
that the next guy you get is going to work
after Lane Giffen, So why not max out as much
as you can and realize who you are?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, listen, I would love to yell and scream and
say I totally disagree with you. I think there is
something to that. I also just think that they feel like, hey,
we can't wait until. I think the big thing Dan is,
it's not just losing Lane Kiffin. It's who would be
available if you let if you let this run out
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and we'll worry about next year next year, it's who
would even be available on January seventh, December twenty ninth, whatever.
I'm gonna nerd out on college football a little bit.
But you know, John Somerl, who's the two lane head coach,
was an assistant at Old Miss from the state of Alabama,
so Alburn is interested in him. There were conflicting reports
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on if he was gonna interview with Florida or not.
I bring it up because I think Old Mis thinks
we can get that guy who's having a ton of success,
who Auburn wants, who Florida wants. But we obviously he
will not even be available to us on January seventh
or whatever, and so that's where I think it does
become a little bit conflicting. Is just the notion of
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I understand what you're saying of it doesn't matter who
you get, By the way, it doesn't matter if you
keep playing Kiffin. There's no guarantee you'll ever be in
this position again. I think their thing is I think,
let me put it this way. I think we look
at it as it's the portal era. You can make
it all up really fast, and it's like, I think
the opposite is true too. It's the portal era. It
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can crumble really fast. And I think that's probably their
fear of letting this play out with link.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I just rather cash in on this season if it
doesn't work after that. We've seen the coaching carousel be
completely foreign from anything we've known.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Previously in college football this year.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I mean, James Franklin was the head coach at Penn
State a month and a half ago at night, and
now he's leading Virginia Tech program who still has a
home game on their schedule coming up tomorrow against Miami.
I think that you can turn things around and and
no disrespect to John Summrall who's been in a lot
coaching jobs, But to your point, if he could be
a target for Ole Miss, and if he goes to Auburn,
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which a lot of people think that he's likely going to,
then you're thinking like, oh, we missed out, but we're
really gonna do this and waste our maybe best season
ever because we think that John Sumral was the guy.
Well then, like, I don't know, I'd rather wait and
see what I would have for Lane and the rest
of this year and move on.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I know we really got to go.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Let me one quick question though, how much of this
is online Kiffin, right, because let's go back to the
famous Denny Green. Denny Green or is it Denny Green
or her? You play to win the game. Well, Lane Kiffin,
you're winning the games.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I know what.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
LSU is hypothetically on a piece of paper or Florida
is hype.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
But you're doing.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Everything, like everything that you could hypothetically do three years
from now at LSU, you're doing right now at Old Miss.
And that's the part that I think is kind of
mind boggling to me. I do think to your point,
big picture thirty thousand foot view. LSU probably is more
sustainable over a five, ten, fifteen year period than old misses.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But at the end of the day, you're.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Never gonna be better than eleven and ten and one
and in the playoff, regardless of what happens at your
last regular season game at LSU than yard one.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I think the most interesting thing you said there is
that the LSU job could be open again in three years.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
True, right, Like that's like, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Roy Williams turned down North Carolina a couple of times
at Kansas and then when he ultimately needed to take over,
he took over, but he had options to leave and
go back home, and he didn't. He stayed. They went
with other coaches. This is the same thing where guess
what LSU actually may be there three years down the
line and.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Go so well.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Remember he almost took the Auburn job about three four
years ago because he thought he had to get out.
And imagine if he had taken the I mean, I'm
sure he'd be awesome. But it's like now LSU and
Florid are fighting over you. Listen, we talked a second ago.
We talked about Kaylen de boor who knows what his
future Anyway, We could go on and on, but I
think there's something to these good jobs.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
He's fifty years old. These good jobs are gonna open again.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And almost doesn't even have a game this weekend, so
they're on a by Oregon usc are not.
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Doug is in the US. Virgin Islands lost their opener
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a tough one for the Phoenix after their overtime lost
to Minnesota that they had last week in Minneapolis. So
hopefully the Phoenix can just get over that hump and
get another mark in the win column.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
We were on air for.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
The Minnesota game, were monitoring it in the studio. TV's
on and everything, and yeah, got's overtime.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They had it tied it at the end of regulation,
two seconds left in the half court shot ended up
going down but was waved off, but Anyway, Ultimately, Phoenix
couldn't get the win and couldn't get one today against Yale.
It's a win for us because Mark Dominic is joining
us as he does every Friday, the former GM of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, here to talk NFL action in
advance of Week twelve. But Mark, welcome in. First of all,
(36:05):
let's look back at Let's look back at last night.
Do we just chalk it up to this is the
Buffalo Bills of twenty twenty five, this roller coaster rides on,
or so we'd look more into the eight sack performance
by that Texans defense against Josh Allen last evening.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Yeah, I think the scarier part of the eight sacks, right,
I mean, that's a very big concern because it's really
been Buffalo's defense. It's been kind of the thing that's
left them down, as we all know, the run game,
but does it. They've been pretty solid consistently with that
passing and keeping Josh Allen straight up. So I think
the eight sacks is a very scary thing to the
Buffalo Bills. I am not going to give up on them.
I think they can be a streaky team and can
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find it at the right plot. But where the Patriots.
It's looking better and better for the Patriots to find
a way to not only you know, home field or
win the division, but also home field advantage. Potentially amazing
turn of events for Mike Rabel. But yeah, I think
the Buffalo Bills, I think we're seeing what they are
the Aller coach. You're not sure what's gonna get each week.
But you can get special or you can get below average.
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Last night was blow average, specifically as we all saw
a lot of times Josh Allen's on his back mark.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Let me ask you a question as a GM, how
do you how do you evaluate the difference between a
coach that is struggling because of the normal factors, injuries, whatever,
and a coach that has either lost the locker room
or the messages in getting through it. And I'll just
be quick here, but you know Pat Riley famously, you know,
(37:29):
left the Lakers many years ago because he just said,
my message isn't getting through the way that it once
did year nine for Sean McDermott.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
I'm not saying that's the case.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I'm asking, as a GM, how do you evaluate the
difference between struggling and a message not being delivered from
coach to players.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
Yeah, I think a lot. So I think it's a
great question, by the way, because I think even Andy
Reid felt that right in Philadelphia, Like you know, Harry
Rosen's like, I just don't know if we need a
new voice here, and so like Andy Reid, it killed
Howry Rosen until it's like, oh Andy Reid, he loved
and so in converse you can't say benefit. But in
this situation with McDermott, I do think that can happen.
I think the first thing you do as a GM
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is you just listen.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
You listen to coaches, You listen to.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
The staff, You listen to the training staff, equipment staff.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
If they're around the players and.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
They're gonna hear what the players are saying.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
The players are gonna say a lot of the right.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Things when they think they're out of a GM, but
when they're maybe around in a group of three or
four of them and they're in the training room getting
the rehab, maybe they're saying a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
So.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
The number one thing you can do as a GM
is listen to everyone around you and start to pull
together what's going wrong with the team, Why are we struggling.
It's then the only other thing you consider is you
grab your captains and just kind of get us to hey,
Josh's talk about, you know, sense of where we sit
with the season. I think those are the two things
you can do to find out to make sure that
the messages is getting off I don't think it's getting
off the blow. I think that they just last night,
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you know, give credit to the Houston Texans. They've found
a chicken the arm or took advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Former GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mark Dominic joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer, he's
here and Torres in for Doug Leave today. Just another
one on the Bills, because I do think they're the
most popular team in the National Football You saw the
amount of fans that were in Houston last night. It's
the Bill's mafia has taken over. Been Aaron and I
were discussing at the top of the show as well
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as now you're starting to hear some members of the
fan base saying, are we wasting Josh Allen's years? Have
they wasted these last couple of years in Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
I wouldn't say they've wasted him. I mean, obviously Buffalo
and the Baltimore Ravens both and got incredible quarterbacks that
just could not get count pass out, you know, Patrick Mahomes,
And now looks like that has opened the doors opened
and for somebody, and I think that that's.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
The real thing.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
And I think it again. I think it goes back
to guess the Ravens are playing better balls, but they
also have the schedule to start to finally get themselves
back to five hundred and beyond. Buffalo has played up
and down as we've seen them. So I still feel
like both those teams have every chance to meet each
other in the AFC Championship Game and the best team goes. Yes.
Every year you lose a year of a quarterback, it
certainly feels like you might be wasting one. But we
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got to kind of remind herself how hard it is
to win these things, right, because Aaron Rodgers, you know,
Drew Brees, I mean, it's hard to win him, even
though when you might be the best quarterback in the
league at that time. And I think that's the same
situation you're seeing here. So the nice thing is the
Josh Allens. They look like you said, you know, the
another ten years. Lamar Jackson may have another ten years.
I think they'll both get one when it's done. But
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this year certainly is wide open, and the aafpl at with
one ever before.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'll ask you to put your GM head on again.
Mark Philadelphia Eagles eight two four game win streak, and
all I hear everyone seems so miserable. You know, you know,
obviously aj Brown is kind of a lightning rod. We're
past the trade deadline, we know he's going to be
there through the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Just what do you make of that situation?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
But then, is there anything, Howie Roseman, is there anything
anyone in the building can do to kind of try
to put those fires out as they continue to seem
to keep popping up.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
Well, I think like what how we did once again
in the trade market made a big impact and it
showed that back room that hey, look, we're trying to
be the dynasty like everybody wants to talk about, you know,
the games that the chiefs of being a dynasty. But
if we can win to the super Bowl, we're really
the one that everybody should be talking about. And I
think winning helps that. Of course, as we all know.
But at the same point, you know, I think they've
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done it in a different way than they did last year.
And I think that shows that they've got a little
more balanced. And yes, you're gonna have guys that are
gonna be frustrated within their role or maybe not get
those bets they're looking for. But they went out and
they tried to make their team as good as it
could possibly be for this stretch, run down the stretch,
and I think the Eagles are doing that. Dalen Hurts,
you know, as we see him in the postseason, usually
shows up pretty good.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Yes, I think it's the town that's expected to win,
and that's why you're kind of getting that the you know,
this is great, but but what the Eagles have done
is actually really good. And I think that Howie Rosen
made them better at the trade.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Deadline, Mark, do you want to hear my crazy theory
about the Eagles? And I want you to judge this.
I need I want to hear the theory too, and
I think it makes it easier to move on from
Jalen Hurts that they won it last year. Does that
make any sense?
Speaker 8 (42:05):
It does, and I do understand that, and I think
that through this year. You know, they're getting deeper in
his contract. I'm sure Howie Rosen's kind of looking at
the big picture saying, you know, where are we at
with Jalen? What can what where can he elevate this
team to? But then again, we've got to you know,
you've got to always run into is the grass green
on the other side and what does that look like?
And you know, until they do something different. The nice
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thing about Jalen that he may not be a great
regular season quarterback, but he's good. He can run the
ball and you can make some throws, but he has
been an extremely counted Super Bowl quarterback and boy, when
it matters, he shows up. And that's that's hard to replace.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Let me ask you about the Rams obviously coming off
the h you know, obviously the very impressive effort against
the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
Just big picture, are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I mean they went all in on that Super Bowl
and we know the big names that were part of that,
Odell Beckham and Jalen Ramsey and you know, I can't
even remember Cooper Cup on and on, and they basically
just have not missed a beat essentially, and they've you know,
rebuilt through the draft, and they got to the point
I'm trying to make is for them to go all
in in the public manner that they did that year
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and really just keep this thing rolling. As they've aged
out of Aaron Donald, all the guys I've mentioned, I
just continue to be blown away by that franchise.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I am too, and I think a lot of credit
needs to get less seed in terms of how they've drafted,
because they've turned over that roster significantly. The defensive line
has played better than I thought they would in terms
of being more physical but more consistent keeping Stafford healthy
this year, especially with Stafford coming in with what looked
like a bad potension back issue. But I think it's
less neat. It's the draft team of the players that
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they've been able to pull over the last couple of
years that have really kind of taken this team and
their young dynamics, fast team on defense, you got to
love that, and then on offense, they're very consistent in
what they do in the offensive line is playing very
well together, and I think those two things, combined with
a veteran quarterback who's obviously.
Speaker 9 (43:58):
Great, it's the nation across the board and look, I say,
I still feel like it. I think the Free Chiefs
can make it out of there with that division. In
terms of the West, I still think San Francisco, healthy
across the board, with the healthy Brock party and a
healthier defense, might be still the scariest team.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
In the West.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
They got an interesting one coming up Monday night against
the Carolina Panthers as well that now has playoff implications
in a lot of different ways. All Right, last one
for me, Mark, it's the question that we all want
to know in week twelve, Shadoor Sanders getting the start
for the Cleveland Browns. If you're Kevin Stefanski, if you're
the Browns, does is this Shador's job for the rest
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of the season. If Dylan Gabriel is able to clear
his concussion protocol, do you go back to Dylan Gabriel?
Does it all right? On week twelve? What do you
expect from Shador's first start and for things to play
out in Cleveland?
Speaker 8 (44:52):
Well, the nice thing for Shador is as bad as
it looks, at least this week, you've got first team reps,
as we all know, varying for it. He knows he's
going to be the starter, coming out of the tunnel,
and so we get to see a Chador that's got
a lot more ability to be prepared for it, maybe
than what he was clearly last week, which was streads.
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I think it's Shadoor's team for two weeks and then
depending on how Shudor played, I can go back to
Dylan or off it with Shtore. If you can hold
onto the job and play at a higher level. It
just feels to me like, you know, and it's easy
to say based off hack of past week, but that
game was very fast for Shador Sanders, really fast, and
it doesn't slow down that quickly with just one week
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of practice with the first team. It gets harder before
it gets easier, and that's the thing I'm worried about
with Shador. So I think it's Gabriel's team with the
season over. But I think this week we get to finally,
you know, see the the talking heads that were like
yelling at you know, evaluated that they don't understand quarterbacks
in the league might have to choose some fat now
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because of you know, there's a Shador Sanders who went
to the round that might have gone maybe seven.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Well, I checked score Gami We've never had a five
to two final score in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Maybe it happens in Vegas on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
All right, Sure, he's Mark Dominic, former NFL GM of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He joins us every Friday. Twenty
years of work in the front office. Mark, love your insight.
Love talking to you. Happy Thanksgiving because we won't talk
to you before then. And appreciate the time as always.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
Yes, enjoy your thanks. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
By the way, your fantasy team took a hard hit
last night. I saw that on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, gosh.
Adrian Hill hamstring injury. I started him at ref monci.
I started him at referee and he left in the
third quarter. It was garbage.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
It was a a plus plus tweet. I gotta say, listen,
I don't feel bad for you, Josh Allen gave you
a big fat zero. Okay, I lost my refer.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
I lost my ref potentially for the season, at least
for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
It's gonna be a one. Yeah. I'm in a keeper
ref league.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
So I had ed Hockey Lee for so long and
then he retired. So I've just locked up Adrian Hill.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
And this a year. You can't get anybody off the way, No,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
You know who's available is the guy who filled in
for Adrian Hill is the umpire. He is now available
for all Rep Fantasy leagues. Oh man, give it him
the business. Remember that one. That one is sixty nine offense.
He was giving him the business. Oh great stuff, thanks
(47:28):
MONSI uh, I do want to talk about Dak Prescott quickly.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Dak is one hundred and sixty yards away from becoming
the all time passing yardage leader for the Dallas Cowboys,
breaking a mark set by the guy he replaced, Tony Romo.
Speaker 10 (47:44):
I'm humbled, thankful to be healthy and to be in
this position to do it. I was on the production
call earlier and they asked me the same thing, what
I've thought this ten years ago? And I said, yeah,
I was very arrogant as a rookie. So and when
you when you're playing this game long enough and you
and you can stay healthy with my expectations of what
my play is, that's supposed to happen. So just thankful, humble,
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super grateful to to be playing the game I love
at this high level and to still be doing it,
and just look forward to keep going that any of
those actually plan to that, it's definitely something to be shared,
whether it be with CD, whether it be with Omar.
I had a big part of it, right, all these receivers,
I mean, Michael Gallup played a big part in any
of these records, right, Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferd, Witting like
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so many of them. So I'm just a product of
a lot of great players. And that's my point. When
you play a long time and you play with the
standard and expectations that I have, you should accomplish these
type of things.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He's on his way to being a top three Cowboys
quarterback of all time, and honestly, like if you were
to win a Super Bowl, automatic Hall of Famer. It's true.
I know it's crazy to talk about the Cowboys like that,
but when you consider, like how we look at Roger
Staubach and Troy Yikman of being like the top two levels.
Like when Dak took over for Tony Romo, I mean,
Tony Roma had to give a speech and the whole deal,
like that's gonna be have a better career than Tony Romo.
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And if if they could win football games, he may
even climb higher up on that list.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
I'll say one quick thing.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
One you know, we you know, we live in this
ring culture, right, and it's like I gotta do that.
There is something to be said about a dude starting
his career and ending his career with one organization, even
if he doesn't reach the pinnacle, or he doesn't reach
it at the top of his game, or he doesn't
win a bunch of rings like Mahomes or Steph Curry
or whoever. The other thing I will say, remember years
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ago when Tony Romo got that big announcing contract, you know,
twenty million a year or whatever. I was filling in
with Arnie Spanier and lady said, what's your first take?
And I said, Dak, in the middle of all those
contract negotiations, just stay a Cowboy because there's something to
starting and finishing your career somewhere. There's also something to
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being a Cowboys quarterback that takes you through the rest
of life. And I think Dak is going to do
very well in whatever his pursuits are post career, assuming
of course, that he finished his career with the Cowboys.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
So that's what life is a Buffalo Bills fan is
apparently all about Aaron Torres, the ups and downs, and
in the end disappointment is Buffalo could not get it
done last night against the Texans.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's tough watch if you're a Bills fan. Josh Allen
getting killed out there. You know, there's not too many
times in his career where I feel like he's been
overwhelmed by a defense. Like even when he loses games,
it's like, you know, thirty one to twenty eight and
he has two passing touchdowns and a rushing touchdown. That
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was one of the few times in his career that
I felt like he was completely helpless.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We'll get to the issues of the Buffalo Bills, what
it means short term and specifically long term. Four team
that at times looked lost last night Jason Stewart's our
executive producer, Iowa Sam is here. You heard Monci Belanio.
She is at the news desk. We're sitting in today
for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio to let
you know Doug's Green Bay Fighting Phoenix just dropped their
(01:17):
opener in the Paradise Jam to Yale, losing today seventy
three to sixty seven, so a tough start to the tournament.
Phoenix were close throughout the game, but couldn't get it
done at the end as Yale ends up getting the victory.
I don't know if we had ever thought last night
that the Texans were going to run away from the
Buffalo Bills, especially with Davis Mills at quarterback. But when
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you have a defense swarming like they did of the
Bills offense, it made for a tough tough night for Buffalo.
Josh Allen sacked eight times, had two interceptions, The last
one was on the final offensive player of the game
for Buffalo, ultimately Aarin. They did have a chance to
steal this game, no matter how you look at it,
and it started out James Cook ends up getting a
(02:01):
touchdown run early in the contest. About forty fifty yards out,
so the Bills weren't really missing a beat early on
from what they did last week against Tampa, and then
Houston's defense just ultimately overwhelms Josh Allen. This is what
the Bills quarterback had to say after the game.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Can you even put into words how I did just
to get through a game, like get most sacks of
your career?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Yeah, it's not fun.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
I ran into a couple myself. I gotta be better
throwing the ball away and living to see another down
and letting this play some situational football and panting them
deep and too many times I was going backwards and
I gotta be better on that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'm not shocked that Josh Allen was sacked eight times,
even though it was Amazon. Every single time he was
sacked had a new new stat like most time sacked
since twenty twenty three, most times sacked since twenty twenty two,
tied for the most time sacked in his career, Like
every single time Houston was getting after them, there was
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a new stat for the graphics department to put on
the screen. I'm sure it was somewhat difficult for Josh
Allen to put into words. He took some of the
blame himself. The toughest part about it, though, Aaron Torres,
is how this team is so flip floppy. They're so
They just came off of a game where they dominated
offensively against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Josh Allen for
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the second time in his career are three passing touchdowns
and three rushing touchdowns. I understand things even out in
the National Football League, but this roller coaster of the
Buffalo Bills is who the Buffalo Bills are, and I
think that is what's so frustrating for this Bills fan base.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So let me ask you a question. I'm just gonna
not beat around the bush. Do you think that Sean
McDermott's message is being lost? And let me give you
be very quick and I'll give you both sides.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
One.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Obviously, understand there's some limitations. You know, there's some holes
on the team. This isn't far from the most complete
roster in the NFL. The counter is they seem to
be able to get themselves up for big games. The
Kansas City Chiefs, the Tampa Bay Bucks that you just
reference lost to the Falcons lost to Houston last night.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Obviously, the other big loss. Who am I missing? Oh?
The Dolphins does. Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So I just think that is the mark of a
team that what's the right word. I don't want to
say they don't like it, but it just feels like
this thing has run its course. He's been there from
the beginning. They've made multiple AFC championship games. They haven't
gotten over the hump. And like I said, the mark
of a team that has sort of checked out on
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its coach is one in which they get up for
the big games. They don't get up for the in
between games. And that's kind of been the roller coaster.
To use the word that you just said of this
Bills team.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I think it's I don't think it's I don't
think that they've lost the message for Sean McDermott, or
from Sean McDermott. I don't think that this team is
a good front runner.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Fair.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't think that they handle success. And while you
were racking your mind for the other loss that the
Bills had this season, I went to the Patriots loss.
And I probably went to that loss because that was
after a four and oh start to the season and
a fourn oh start to the season.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Where at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And I remember saying Jason Stewart and I we were
in Buffalo when they beat the Dolphins in Week three.
They go, they beat the Saints in Week four, and
then you have New England coming to town. Four of
their first five games this season were at home in
Buffalo against opponents that were a mixed bag of Baltimore
and the opener we saw, they came back and won,
Dolphins weren't doing much, mentioned the Saints, and then you
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had a rival in New England who ends up coming
up in biting them on Sunday Night football, handing them
their first loss of the season. But you think about
the beginning of the year, Chiefs started out zero to two.
The Ravens ended up having Lamar Jackson injured in Week four,
but Buffalo beat him in Week one. The Ravens stumbled
out of the gate. Everything that you needed to happen
for Buffalo to take control of this AFC, it all
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happened early on in the season and just run away
with him, Yes, absolutely, and they were unable to do it.
I don't think it's solely on Sean McDermott's plate. I
think that Brandon being the general manager and the construction
of the team that you mentioned, that's got something to
do with it. I'm not blaming injuries, not blaming ed
Oliver not being there. Every team's got injuries to deal with,
(06:22):
So that's Granneddy's a big piece, but that's not the
only reason on why they are up and down. Kean
Coleman being out of the lineup hard him last night.
It didn't hurt him the week before. I think there
is this essence of Buffalo and maybe it's Josh Allen
last night. Maybe guys just weren't getting open because the
Texans defense is better than what Tampa's is. I think
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they have a very difficult time being a front runner,
I think, and maybe it represents the city, maybe it
represents the Bills mafia. They are better off being the
team to come out of nowhere or to go on
a hot streak, and whenever you put expectation on them
or feel that this is the team to beat, they
don't rise to the occasion. And last night I felt
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was the example. I mean, the Texans are coming off
of a blase win against the Tennessee Titans. They were
just able to win sixteen to thirteen in that contest. Well,
we talked about Buffalo going up and down the field
and Josh Allen throwing the football here, there and everywhere,
and everybody's getting involved. And last night they just seem
to resort back to the team that maybe was afraid
of the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, and I think to your point about you know,
not being a good front runner that and this isn't
like some you know, profound take. That's the most frustrating part,
is you see because I remember on you know, the
shows that I do, early on in the season, everything
is opening up for the Buffalo Bills. You know, Lamar's injury,
the Chiefs are struggling out of the gate. You know,
the South is obviously gonna you know, the AFC South
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is going to AFC South, and you know, I like Indianapolis,
but peak Indianapolis and what we thought was going to
be peak Buffalo early in the season, you don't think
it lines up. And now I think that's the frustrating part,
right is if it's if it's a down year, but
you know, the Chiefs are running away with their division,
and you say, you know, maybe it's just not the
right roster construction and the wrong injuries at the wrong times,
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but it does feel like there's an opening here with
again no disrespect attendant, but a Colts team. Do people
really believe that they can win the AFC? A young
Patriots new coach, second year quarterback. And that's the part.
I'm not even a Buffalo Bills fan, and I'm frustrated
because I feel like they had frankly about a four
or five year window now, but that this was shaping
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up to really be the window wide open, and instead
they've kind of shut it on themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
To your what has ended up turning. And I'm curious
on Jason Stewart's thoughts on this. Jason and I commented
when we saw in Buffalo a sign in paraphrasing, but
it was like, this is our year, really.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Veryzanc So it was an open, just conversation, this is it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But that was the sense that we had talked about
that it felt like this was the opportunity for the Bills.
When we were at that game against the Dolphins and
just seeing stuff around town, Jason really felt like this
is the year where the Bills mafia is putting their
eggs all into the basket.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It sure seems so, and I think it has something
to do with maybe like sending this old stadium out
with the championship and that you know tomorrow's kind of
a new day is going to be the new Bills.
And there just seemed to be an urgency about this season.
I don't know if they were referring to their roster
strength or anything else, or maybe the Chiefs show a
little bit down, but there was I forget the mantra,
(09:31):
and I'm trying to look it up, but it had
something to do with very high expectations, not like Winter
go Home or Super Bowl or bus, but it was
high expectations as you walked around.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I swear it was something as simple as this is
our year. But what I think that also like signifies
is this is why it's the tipping point. It's not
only does Sean McDermott stay the message that you get
with Buffalo now and if you just follow anything on
social media about the Bills, you're hearing more and more
(10:05):
we are wasting Josh Allen's years.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I've been saying that for three years and so and
so that that is now where the tide is turned
to this point where you feel like you've had this
window and now it's different. So if it doesn't happen
this year, if they don't go on a heater in
the playoffs, and if you look at their remaining schedule,
it's it's not as difficult. There's a game against the
Egos they've got coming up, but they play the Jets again.
They've got winnable games. They should make the postseason. But
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I'm just wondering if them just making the postseason is
going to be their best way to run through the
playoffs as opposed to winning the division, being the number
one seed and having that bulls eye on their back.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, it's funny, you know. So I host Saturday Night's
eleven pm Eastern, and I you know, we start our
text conversations today. So I'll give credit to my partner,
Jason Marn. I'll ask you this. He mentioned Ohio State
football last year. He said, it didn't you know, they
just got They just had to get in the playoff
and once they did, it was on them to flip
a switch, and they did. Is that kind of what
(11:03):
you're insinuating here, is that it doesn't really matter where
they get in as long as they get in.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Is that kind of what you're in sinuating.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I think I do think the loss to Michigan
really fueled Ohio State in that run last year. But
I think it would be hard to argue that Ohio
State had the best talent probably of any team in
college football last year that ultimately it was channeled in
the right way. I don't think the Bills have the
best talent in the National Football League. I just feel,
for whatever reason, they can't get these things done in
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certain situations. And the win over the Kansas City Chiefs
earlier this year was nice, but the Chiefs are sitting
there on the outside looking in right now, and.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They've had regular season success against the Chiefs too.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yes, yeah, absolutely. You know, I look back to a
couple of years ago and Joe Burrow and the Bengals
just went into Buffalo after a season and one a
divisional playoff game. I think that there's I look at
them like the Packers of twenty ten, and the Packers
of twenty ten were a team that needed to win
a couple of games at the end of the regular
seas to just get into the playoffs, and he thought
if they could get in, they could do some damage.
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Not only did they do damage, they won three on
the road and won the Super Bowl against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
What happened the next year, they went fifteen to one
bout out in the Divisional playoffs against the New York Giants,
And to date it's Aaron Rodgers' only Super Bowl win,
and since then it's the most recent appearance by the
Packers in a Super Bowl. So the Buffalo Bills maybe
(12:24):
aren't the only team that sometimes doesn't handle being the
top dog the best. But looking at last night, it's
just tough to see how this team could go on
a streak like that, considering they weren't able to protect
Josh Allen. But again, it's me coming off of the
huge expectations of them taking care of the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers in Week eleven, where again Josh Allen had his
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hand in six separate touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, two quick things is one. I think that's the part.
That last part that gets to me is what have
we seen that makes us actually believe that they'll do it,
other than that they have Josh Allen quarterback, because we
haven't seen very much since Week two week three to
indicate that they can not say that they can't we
just haven't seen it, but too what you said is
(13:09):
something that I've been on for two or three years,
is that because of the way Josh Allen plays, I think,
you know, I think Tom Brady kind of screwed everything
up for everybody where we just assume like everyone's peak
goes goes to forty years old, and like one, it's
just not that way.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Two, especially a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
The way that the number of we all watch the games,
you know, the number of times that he gets slammed
into that hard turf every Sunday in Buffalo, It's like,
you know, that guy's gonna fall off pretty quickly. And
he is now thirty years older. He will be thirty
years old, you know, a start of next season is
like you don't get an infinite number of years with
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this guy. And that's been my frustration with this whole era.
You know, I really quick side tangent, but I was
on air with Ephram Salam last year in the playoff
when they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, and it's
just like they can't get over the hump. It's the
same thing over and over, and it's sometime you have
to hit reset. And I understand AFC championship game. I
get it. I get the concept of it's late in January,
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who are you gonna get? And it's like, I understand
all of these hypotheticals. What I also understand is that
the prime of one of the great football talents we
have ever seen is being wasted. Maybe it changes this year.
The one last thought that I do have, I think
part of I think part of why this isn't a
bigger story is because of how much the Chiefs are struggling.
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Like if the Chiefs were eight in two this year
rolling to another division title and the Bills were sitting
where they are even with the seven and four record,
you'd say, here we go again. So anyway, the only
point I'm trying to make is I do think the
point that you brought up is a good one is
that if they get in the playoffs, you know, they
probably match up well with anybody and they might not
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have to go through KC this year. The counter to
that is, like, it does feel like, darn, are they
wasting some great years of Joshua?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I think your point of through case is physically
the city of having to go and travel to Kansas
City as well, not even just of playing the Chiefs.
You may have an opportunity where you got to go
to Denver and New England and Indianapolis instead of of
go to the case one.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Quick, quick, quick buffalo question. Does the does the perception
of their season change if they lose either early in
the playoffs or whatever. But it's not to Casey in
other words, like coming into the year with Super Bowl
or bust. They gotta get there. To your point, you
were there week two, Week three, this is our year.
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If they lose in the divisional round to just the
Broncos or something, is that still a failure.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's still a failure because of what you of what
we've just talked about. The teams that normally stood in
their way aren't standing in their way right now. Like
if you can get past New England and get past
New England and Tom Brady towards ACL then than great
or the year where he has to sit for four games,
or like whatever the case is. You've got to take
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that window because you don't know how long it's going
to be there. And no matter how good or bad
the Chiefs are this year, I still think they're going
to be around and they're going to be there as
long as Patrick Mahomes is there. So anytime you can
make Hay without them being possibly part of the equation,
you have to take advantage of it. Throw on the expectations.
If they don't go to the super Bowl this year,
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I think it's an ultimate, ultimately a disappointing season for
Bill's Mafia.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So I agree dred percent with all that this is
the best of the Done Dot Leap Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A Happy Friday to you. You've made it to the
end of the week, and I think a lot of people, Aaron,
are you gonna have it a cruise control next week?
Because of the Thanksgiving holiday? So a lot of people
in a good mood today. It's not just Moncei jacked
up on her caffeine. Everybody's got a little bit of
pep in their step. Jason Stewart this year, Iowa Sam
is here. I was Sam's getting ready for a Thanksgiving holiday.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I'm checked up.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
He's giving the Richard Nixon peace victory signs. She's ready to.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Go have a midday college basketball on.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know, it's you know, it's some sort of something
when there's midday college basketball that is.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
And there that is true.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Charleston right now has their annual Thanksgiving tournament.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
This is Greenbrier, West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Okay, I I don't I'm not familiar, but I'm told
the resort is very nice.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yes, oh, they've built I haven't been there, but golf
courses used to hold a PGA Tour event It's how
to Live event. They also have built an NFL facility
for really for teams to hold training camps, and when
teams on the West Coast sometimes have to stay on
the East Coast for back to back games or even
go to Europe, sometimes they'll stay at the Green Briar
and work out at those facilities.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I had. There's no idea. Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
This tournament that's on right now started about two or
three years ago, and I did do a quick Google
dive because I was like, why random West Virginia. But
it is not random, as I found out. But I
didn't know quite all of those things about it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, the magnificent spot that I'd love to go, have
heard great things about, but have not made it to.
West Virginia is one of the I don't want to
say a few states is probably about ten or twelve
that I haven't been to, but I've never been to
West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
True story.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I have been to about forty six or so, maybe
forty four, and West Virginia is one that I have
not either.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
It's kind of probably been to Ohio. I've been to
Ohio for sure. Yeah, you've probably been to Pennsylvania, definitely
been a Pennsylvania. Have probably been to Virginia.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But yeah, I've been to Alaska and Hawaii. But it's
just never taking you to West Virginia. Even though all
those surrounding states you've been to, you just haven't been
into West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Those country roads. They did not take me home. No fu.
There are certain states like that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
For me. It's like Kansas. I've never been to Kansas
and I've never been to Arkansas. Sure, but I've been
to the spots around all of those places. Iowa, Sam,
You've did you say you've never been to Kansas, never
been to Kansas, but you've been to and you've never
been to ar Kansas. Correct, Okay, Yes, I just like
want to go back then. I've been to Colorado, been
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to Oklahoma. Jason and I were in Oklahoma last year
for Doug's opener against Oklahoma state.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know what weird state I've never been to, which
I feel like I should have at this point. I've
actually never been to Michigan, and you feel like major commerce.
Now the final four is either next year or the
year after, so I'll probably go. But uh, you know,
big city, big college sports, Michigan, Michigan state.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I've never been to the state of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Jason Stewart and view, Uh, is there any state on
your US map that you would like to color in
that you've been in.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I've heard a lot about Oregon. It's kind of my
temperament too, kind of like rainy and dreary, and uh,
it's beautiful, lot of hiking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I think that would be a spot for you. Absolutely,
Sam Well.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
I was just gonna say, Uh, I've done the trick
from Iowa to Pennsylvania a couple times, and you usually
will drive through Wheeling, West Virginia to get into Pennsylvania.
So I have driven through the Green Hills of West Virginia.
Very beautiful state.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Really, you don't just go straight through Chicago, off through
Gary Across for some reason.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
It's just always taken me through Wheeling there a little
parcel of West Virginia then going into Pennsylvania. I'm surprised
I've not been to Montana. I'd love to go. There've
been to Wyoming, I've been to some of the surrounding states.
Have not been to Montana. Have you been to Mississippi.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I've not been to Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Lane Kiffin has. It's just how long will he be
in Mississippi is the question. And we could find out
erin Torres quite possibly as soon as today. I was
not snooping erin Torres. But I know you were looking
at a flight plan. No, someone took a flight plan
on a tweet and made their own drawing. Well it
(20:56):
was it was not an actual flight plan. You know
what they drew, But that's people trying to track Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Well, no, what I was actually looking at. He's been
posting like no'll just put it that way. I don't
know if he's been posting Bible versus or something, but
they're very specific, like be in the moment, da da
da da. So some guy put out on Twitter this morning.
Lane Kiffin's devotional book is getting eerily specific and a
little biting, and it opens with your ranked fifth in
the nation, around the cusp of the college football playoffs,
(21:26):
so it was obviously a photo shop of these very
emo things that Lane Kiffin has been posting. But to
your point, Dan, I don't think we're gonna get any
clarification by the end of the show. But Lane Kiffin
is scheduled to meet with his AD today and I
guess what I would say is I think if the ad,
if he tells the AD that I'm not in a
(21:47):
rush to make a final decision, like like, I think
there's this perception like would Ole miss.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Really move off of him in the middle of a
playoff run.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I think they would because I think they've they've sat
there and said, we've given you everything that you've ask for,
We've done it your way, we've been whatever, and it's like,
we can't wait until the middle of December into maybe
January for you to make a final decision because it
cuts our roster, it limits the people that could potentially
replace you, and if you don't plan on being here
(22:17):
long term, or more specifically, if you're not sure at
some point, we do need an answer because I think
they they're not going to be left at the altar,
And so there is a meeting today, and like I said,
if they get the impression that he really needs another
couple weeks to look around, I think they really seriously
may kick him to the curb.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
If so.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Kiffin on the Pat mccaffee Show said that there was
no ultimatum given previously. Now to your point, there may
be one today. The conversation that has built up is
if Lane Kiffin isn't the coach for ole Miss after
the Egg Bowl next week against Mississippi State, should that
alter their ranking in the college It's interesting conversation and
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I we touched on it briefly yesterday. I think it's
different than Jordan Travis. I think it's different with players.
I don't think that it should affect their standing. We
saw Florida State play a game without Jordan Travis and
it wasn't good. We saw Ohio State play their game
without j T. Barrett with Cardi al Jones and it
was really good and that allowed them to get into
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the into the bracket. It's now different with a twelve
team bracket as opposed to just the four, but I
think it's I don't think that ole Miss should be
penalized if Lane Kiffin were to leave and then not
coach the team in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, I think it becomes how do you quantify, Like,
how would you quantify, like, do there if they finish
eleven and one with Lane Kiffin? Is he worth a win?
Is he worth two wins? Is he worth a ranking?
Is he worth whatever? Like, I actually agree with you.
I think it's an interesting conversation, and it's one where,
like you know, sometimes you just kind of see stuff
percolate on social media and you say, well, that's just
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the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I don't think this
is dumb from the perspective of it isn't a conversation
that we're allowed to have. Like, I think it makes
sense to at least bring up this conversation. But I
don't think the committee can sit there and say, well,
they were the sixth seed, but now that Lane Kiffin's gone,
there the nine seed. I don't think they can do that.
I don't think that they would. But a couple of things. One,
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you know, Ole miss has to win one more game
before we figure all that out. And then two, I
think as importantly, we've got to see how everything else
shakes up.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Are you and I'm just guessing in this, but I'm
getting a sense that maybe you're not loving what's going
on with Lane Kiffin. Will that be a fair assessment
you're not loving all of the gamesmanship.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I think two things are true. I think any life
choice you make, I think you're certainly allowed to evaluate
everything and gather information. And so I think I don't
think Lane Kiffin purposely I wanted it to get out
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that his family was basically doing an SEC tour earlier
this week, So I understand that. What I also do understand.
What I also do believe is that you are in
the middle of the greatest season in the history of
Oless football, at least since all of us have been alive.
I don't know what happened in nineteen fifty seven with
Johnny vaud as the head coach, whatever, I do believe
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that you kind of owe it to these people, this
fan base that has had your back, that gave you
a shot when nobody else was really in line to
hire you at an SEC caliber job, to not string
it along because the thing is, like, you know, you, obviously,
being in sports, you're probably a little bit more in
tune with it than most. But his last three or
four press conferences, not even forget after the Florida game.
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I'm talking the Monday Tuesday in the lead up to
the Florida game. It was very specific questions about are
you gonna be the coach here next year? What makes
a great job, And it's just taking such a spotlight
off of your team and off of a school that
has given you so much opportunity. So I guess what
I would say is I understand him wanting to do
the due diligence, but now that it's out, I don't
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think you can string this along for another three weeks
and say I'll make because because in a quick backstory,
every old Miss fan two weeks ago, their boilerplint response
was he doesn't make any decisions until after the season.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
That's how he's always done it.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Whatever, Well, this season literally might not end until the
middle of January, but at minimum probably will not get
any sort of real resolution until Christmas time. And I
don't think you can wait that long in this era.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
See I look at Ole Miss and from their position
right now, I understand that you wouldn't want to wait
till January eight, or if you're happening to make the
championship game and go on a run. You wouldn't want
to wait till the third or fourth week of January
to end up finding a head coach. But if Lane
Kiffin being at ole Miss at that point would lead
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them through the playoffs, I don't know how ole Miss
say we don't want you here. I don't think it's
the Beau chem Beckler to have a Michigan man and
telling Bill Frieder you're not going to coach this team
because you took the Arizona State job. We're going with
Steve Fisher way back when nineteen eighty nine. I don't
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think that that's the case with ole Miss. To your
point of this being the greatest ole Miss season that
they would have had that they may have had in history,
if he delivers on that, especially in today's day and
age of transfer portal, I understand that the late window,
but I would almost sacrifice that to be able to
have the run that you could have with your head coach.
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I just don't know if LSU would want to wait
that long or Florida would want to wait that long
to And I don't know if Florida's still in it
or not. Maybe they are, Maybe they aren't. But if
I'm LSU, I can't I understand the pride of it all.
But this is your special season and to let it run.
I just I would want him to be the head coach.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay, I'm gonna do the worst thing in radio. And
you and I have had this conversation. I'm gonna say
I actually see both sides of that conversation. I absolutely
see your side of you have a chance to do
something really special and you worry about the end.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
At the end, I think the way.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Old missees it is, Hey, dude, we and it's in
large part because of Lane Kiffin. It's like we are
on the precipice because of you, but because you also
told us what we need from a financial standpoint, from
an infrastructure standpoint, from whatever. And we believe that we
can keep this going if there is a world that
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you are not part of this. What we don't believe
can happen is we wait until late December when all
of the good candidates are gone. We wait until late
December when the signing you know, when the signing class
either has to sign.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Or they don't.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
We wait until late December when the portal is opening.
We still don't even have a coach. Our players can
go in, but we have nobody to recruit them. Yes,
this job is great, large part because of you now,
but this job is also now great period, and we
could lose a lot of the momentum that we've built
up over the last four or five six years thanks
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in large part to you, but that we don't want
to put ourselves in. So I actually see both sides.
I actually think your point is very salient and like
on brand of like, you don't get many chances anywhere
to win championships and if you're eleven and one and
you're in position to do it, just ride it out
and whatever happens after happens after. But I understand their
point of like basically, hey, this is now a great
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job and we're gonna lose a ton of momentum if
you walk out on December twenty ninth and we don't
really have a backup plan ready for you.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Do you think that ole Miss will rise to the
level of what LSU is like in terms of competing finances, revenues,
what they put in. I don't think that they can.
I don't think that they will. So, like I don't
blame don't blame Lane Kiffen for competing thing with ole Miss.
And the reason I asked the question is it actually
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takes some gumption to be like, this is the reality
of it. This is the reality, and I understand the reality.
So to sit there and think that you're gonna compete, like,
no matter how great schools were in the Big Ten,
they always do that. Michigan and Ohio State were different
beasts and some of the reasons schools had successes because
they understood that they understood what their path is. Now
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college sports has changed over the last couple of years,
but instead of trying to become a Michigan in Ohio State,
you have to find your own past. And I'm siscon
exactly specifically, it's who I had in mind, maybe even
Iowa for that matter, and talking about the Hawkeyes and
realizing we're never gonna be that, so let's figure out
the best way for us to succeed. I think that
would show something with ole Miss, because I don't think
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that they can and I don't think it's a guarantee.
We've seen how people have tried to fill in at Florida.
They still haven't found anybody to replace Urban Meyer. After
all of these years, we've tried, like, it's no guarantee
that the next guy you get is going to work
after Lane Giffen, So why not max out as much
as you can and realize who you are?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, listen, I would love to yell and scream and
say I totally disagree with you. I think there is
something to that. I also just think that they feel like, hey,
we can't wait until. I think the big thing Dan is,
it's not just losing Lane Kiffin. It's who would be
available if you let if you let this run out
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and we'll worry about next year next year, it's who
would even be available on January seventh, December twenty ninth, whatever.
I'm gonna nerd out on college football a little bit.
But you know, John Somerl, who's the two lane head coach,
was an assistant at Old Miss from the state of Alabama,
so Alburn is interested in him. There were conflicting reports
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on if he was gonna interview with Florida or not.
I bring it up because I think Old Mis thinks
we can get that guy who's having a ton of success,
who Auburn wants, who Florida wants. But we obviously he
will not even be available to us on January seventh
or whatever, and so that's where I think it does
become a little bit conflicting. Is just the notion of
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I understand what you're saying of it doesn't matter who
you get, By the way, it doesn't matter if you
keep playing Kiffin. There's no guarantee you'll ever be in
this position again. I think their thing is I think,
let me put it this way. I think we look
at it as it's the portal era. You can make
it all up really fast, and it's like, I think
the opposite is true too. It's the portal era. It
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can crumble really fast. And I think that's probably their
fear of letting this play out with link.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I just rather cash in on this season if it
doesn't work after that. We've seen the coaching carousel be
completely foreign from anything we've known.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Previously in college football this year.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I mean, James Franklin was the head coach at Penn
State a month and a half ago at night, and
now he's leading Virginia Tech program who still has a
home game on their schedule coming up tomorrow against Miami.
I think that you can turn things around and and
no disrespect to John Summrall who's been in a lot
coaching jobs, But to your point, if he could be
a target for Ole Miss, and if he goes to Auburn,
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which a lot of people think that he's likely going to,
then you're thinking like, oh, we missed out, but we're
really gonna do this and waste our maybe best season
ever because we think that John Sumral was the guy.
Well then, like, I don't know, I'd rather wait and
see what I would have for Lane and the rest
of this year and move on.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I know we really got to go.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Let me one quick question though, how much of this
is online Kiffin, right, because let's go back to the
famous Denny Green. Denny Green or is it Denny Green
or her? You play to win the game. Well, Lane Kiffin,
you're winning the games.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I know what.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
LSU is hypothetically on a piece of paper or Florida
is hype.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
But you're doing.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Everything, like everything that you could hypothetically do three years
from now at LSU, you're doing right now at Old Miss.
And that's the part that I think is kind of
mind boggling to me. I do think to your point,
big picture thirty thousand foot view. LSU probably is more
sustainable over a five, ten, fifteen year period than old misses.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But at the end of the day, you're.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Never gonna be better than eleven and ten and one
and in the playoff, regardless of what happens at your
last regular season game at LSU than yard one.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I think the most interesting thing you said there is
that the LSU job could be open again in three years.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
True, right, Like that's like, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Roy Williams turned down North Carolina a couple of times
at Kansas and then when he ultimately needed to take over,
he took over, but he had options to leave and
go back home, and he didn't. He stayed. They went
with other coaches. This is the same thing where guess
what LSU actually may be there three years down the
line and.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Go so well.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Remember he almost took the Auburn job about three four
years ago because he thought he had to get out.
And imagine if he had taken the I mean, I'm
sure he'd be awesome. But it's like now LSU and
Florid are fighting over you. Listen, we talked a second ago.
We talked about Kaylen de boor who knows what his
future Anyway, We could go on and on, but I
think there's something to these good jobs.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
He's fifty years old. These good jobs are gonna open again.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And almost doesn't even have a game this weekend, so
they're on a by Oregon usc are not.
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to Minnesota that they had last week in Minneapolis. So
hopefully the Phoenix can just get over that hump and
get another mark in the win column.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
We were on air for.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
The Minnesota game, were monitoring it in the studio. TV's
on and everything, and yeah, got's overtime.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They had it tied it at the end of regulation,
two seconds left in the half court shot ended up
going down but was waved off, but Anyway, Ultimately, Phoenix
couldn't get the win and couldn't get one today against Yale.
It's a win for us because Mark Dominic is joining
us as he does every Friday, the former GM of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, here to talk NFL action in
advance of Week twelve. But Mark, welcome in. First of all,
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let's look back at Let's look back at last night.
Do we just chalk it up to this is the
Buffalo Bills of twenty twenty five, this roller coaster rides on,
or so we'd look more into the eight sack performance
by that Texans defense against Josh Allen last evening.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Yeah, I think the scarier part of the eight sacks, right,
I mean, that's a very big concern because it's really
been Buffalo's defense. It's been kind of the thing that's
left them down, as we all know, the run game,
but does it. They've been pretty solid consistently with that
passing and keeping Josh Allen straight up. So I think
the eight sacks is a very scary thing to the
Buffalo Bills. I am not going to give up on them.
I think they can be a streaky team and can
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find it at the right plot. But where the Patriots.
It's looking better and better for the Patriots to find
a way to not only you know, home field or
win the division, but also home field advantage. Potentially amazing
turn of events for Mike Rabel. But yeah, I think
the Buffalo Bills, I think we're seeing what they are
the Aller coach. You're not sure what's gonna get each week.
But you can get special or you can get below average.
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Last night was blow average, specifically as we all saw
a lot of times Josh Allen's on his back mark.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Let me ask you a question as a GM, how
do you how do you evaluate the difference between a
coach that is struggling because of the normal factors, injuries, whatever,
and a coach that has either lost the locker room
or the messages in getting through it. And I'll just
be quick here, but you know Pat Riley famously, you know,
(37:29):
left the Lakers many years ago because he just said,
my message isn't getting through the way that it once
did year nine for Sean McDermott.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
I'm not saying that's the case.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I'm asking, as a GM, how do you evaluate the
difference between struggling and a message not being delivered from
coach to players.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
Yeah, I think a lot. So I think it's a
great question, by the way, because I think even Andy
Reid felt that right in Philadelphia, Like you know, Harry
Rosen's like, I just don't know if we need a
new voice here, and so like Andy Reid, it killed
Howry Rosen until it's like, oh Andy Reid, he loved
and so in converse you can't say benefit. But in
this situation with McDermott, I do think that can happen.
I think the first thing you do as a GM
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is you just listen.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
You listen to coaches, You listen to.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
The staff, You listen to the training staff, equipment staff.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
If they're around the players and.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
They're gonna hear what the players are saying.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
The players are gonna say a lot of the right.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Things when they think they're out of a GM, but
when they're maybe around in a group of three or
four of them and they're in the training room getting
the rehab, maybe they're saying a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
So.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
The number one thing you can do as a GM
is listen to everyone around you and start to pull
together what's going wrong with the team, Why are we struggling.
It's then the only other thing you consider is you
grab your captains and just kind of get us to hey,
Josh's talk about, you know, sense of where we sit
with the season. I think those are the two things
you can do to find out to make sure that
the messages is getting off I don't think it's getting
off the blow. I think that they just last night,
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you know, give credit to the Houston Texans. They've found
a chicken the arm or took advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Former GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mark Dominic joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer, he's
here and Torres in for Doug Leave today. Just another
one on the Bills, because I do think they're the
most popular team in the National Football You saw the
amount of fans that were in Houston last night. It's
the Bill's mafia has taken over. Been Aaron and I
were discussing at the top of the show as well
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as now you're starting to hear some members of the
fan base saying, are we wasting Josh Allen's years? Have
they wasted these last couple of years in Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
I wouldn't say they've wasted him. I mean, obviously Buffalo
and the Baltimore Ravens both and got incredible quarterbacks that
just could not get count pass out, you know, Patrick Mahomes,
And now looks like that has opened the doors opened
and for somebody, and I think that that's.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
The real thing.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
And I think it again. I think it goes back
to guess the Ravens are playing better balls, but they
also have the schedule to start to finally get themselves
back to five hundred and beyond. Buffalo has played up
and down as we've seen them. So I still feel
like both those teams have every chance to meet each
other in the AFC Championship Game and the best team goes. Yes.
Every year you lose a year of a quarterback, it
certainly feels like you might be wasting one. But we
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got to kind of remind herself how hard it is
to win these things, right, because Aaron Rodgers, you know,
Drew Brees, I mean, it's hard to win him, even
though when you might be the best quarterback in the
league at that time. And I think that's the same
situation you're seeing here. So the nice thing is the
Josh Allens. They look like you said, you know, the
another ten years. Lamar Jackson may have another ten years.
I think they'll both get one when it's done. But
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this year certainly is wide open, and the aafpl at with
one ever before.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'll ask you to put your GM head on again.
Mark Philadelphia Eagles eight two four game win streak, and
all I hear everyone seems so miserable. You know, you know,
obviously aj Brown is kind of a lightning rod. We're
past the trade deadline, we know he's going to be
there through the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Just what do you make of that situation?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
But then, is there anything, Howie Roseman, is there anything
anyone in the building can do to kind of try
to put those fires out as they continue to seem
to keep popping up.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
Well, I think like what how we did once again
in the trade market made a big impact and it
showed that back room that hey, look, we're trying to
be the dynasty like everybody wants to talk about, you know,
the games that the chiefs of being a dynasty. But
if we can win to the super Bowl, we're really
the one that everybody should be talking about. And I
think winning helps that. Of course, as we all know.
But at the same point, you know, I think they've
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done it in a different way than they did last year.
And I think that shows that they've got a little
more balanced. And yes, you're gonna have guys that are
gonna be frustrated within their role or maybe not get
those bets they're looking for. But they went out and
they tried to make their team as good as it
could possibly be for this stretch, run down the stretch,
and I think the Eagles are doing that. Dalen Hurts,
you know, as we see him in the postseason, usually
shows up pretty good.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Yes, I think it's the town that's expected to win,
and that's why you're kind of getting that the you know,
this is great, but but what the Eagles have done
is actually really good. And I think that Howie Rosen
made them better at the trade.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Deadline, Mark, do you want to hear my crazy theory
about the Eagles? And I want you to judge this.
I need I want to hear the theory too, and
I think it makes it easier to move on from
Jalen Hurts that they won it last year. Does that
make any sense?
Speaker 8 (42:05):
It does, and I do understand that, and I think
that through this year. You know, they're getting deeper in
his contract. I'm sure Howie Rosen's kind of looking at
the big picture saying, you know, where are we at
with Jalen? What can what where can he elevate this
team to? But then again, we've got to you know,
you've got to always run into is the grass green
on the other side and what does that look like?
And you know, until they do something different. The nice
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thing about Jalen that he may not be a great
regular season quarterback, but he's good. He can run the
ball and you can make some throws, but he has
been an extremely counted Super Bowl quarterback and boy, when
it matters, he shows up. And that's that's hard to replace.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Let me ask you about the Rams obviously coming off
the h you know, obviously the very impressive effort against
the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
Just big picture, are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I mean they went all in on that Super Bowl
and we know the big names that were part of that,
Odell Beckham and Jalen Ramsey and you know, I can't
even remember Cooper Cup on and on, and they basically
just have not missed a beat essentially, and they've you know,
rebuilt through the draft, and they got to the point
I'm trying to make is for them to go all
in in the public manner that they did that year
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and really just keep this thing rolling. As they've aged
out of Aaron Donald, all the guys I've mentioned, I
just continue to be blown away by that franchise.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I am too, and I think a lot of credit
needs to get less seed in terms of how they've drafted,
because they've turned over that roster significantly. The defensive line
has played better than I thought they would in terms
of being more physical but more consistent keeping Stafford healthy
this year, especially with Stafford coming in with what looked
like a bad potension back issue. But I think it's
less neat. It's the draft team of the players that
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they've been able to pull over the last couple of
years that have really kind of taken this team and
their young dynamics, fast team on defense, you got to
love that, and then on offense, they're very consistent in
what they do in the offensive line is playing very
well together, and I think those two things, combined with
a veteran quarterback who's obviously.
Speaker 9 (43:58):
Great, it's the nation across the board and look, I say,
I still feel like it. I think the Free Chiefs
can make it out of there with that division. In
terms of the West, I still think San Francisco, healthy
across the board, with the healthy Brock party and a
healthier defense, might be still the scariest team.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
In the West.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
They got an interesting one coming up Monday night against
the Carolina Panthers as well that now has playoff implications
in a lot of different ways. All Right, last one
for me, Mark, it's the question that we all want
to know in week twelve, Shadoor Sanders getting the start
for the Cleveland Browns. If you're Kevin Stefanski, if you're
the Browns, does is this Shador's job for the rest
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of the season. If Dylan Gabriel is able to clear
his concussion protocol, do you go back to Dylan Gabriel?
Does it all right? On week twelve? What do you
expect from Shador's first start and for things to play
out in Cleveland?
Speaker 8 (44:52):
Well, the nice thing for Shador is as bad as
it looks, at least this week, you've got first team reps,
as we all know, varying for it. He knows he's
going to be the starter, coming out of the tunnel,
and so we get to see a Chador that's got
a lot more ability to be prepared for it, maybe
than what he was clearly last week, which was streads.
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I think it's Shadoor's team for two weeks and then
depending on how Shudor played, I can go back to
Dylan or off it with Shtore. If you can hold
onto the job and play at a higher level. It
just feels to me like, you know, and it's easy
to say based off hack of past week, but that
game was very fast for Shador Sanders, really fast, and
it doesn't slow down that quickly with just one week
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of practice with the first team. It gets harder before
it gets easier, and that's the thing I'm worried about
with Shador. So I think it's Gabriel's team with the
season over. But I think this week we get to finally,
you know, see the the talking heads that were like
yelling at you know, evaluated that they don't understand quarterbacks
in the league might have to choose some fat now
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because of you know, there's a Shador Sanders who went
to the round that might have gone maybe seven.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Well, I checked score Gami We've never had a five
to two final score in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Maybe it happens in Vegas on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
All right, Sure, he's Mark Dominic, former NFL GM of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He joins us every Friday. Twenty
years of work in the front office. Mark, love your insight.
Love talking to you. Happy Thanksgiving because we won't talk
to you before then. And appreciate the time as always.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
Yes, enjoy your thanks. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
By the way, your fantasy team took a hard hit
last night. I saw that on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, gosh.
Adrian Hill hamstring injury. I started him at ref monci.
I started him at referee and he left in the
third quarter. It was garbage.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
It was a a plus plus tweet. I gotta say, listen,
I don't feel bad for you, Josh Allen gave you
a big fat zero. Okay, I lost my refer.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
I lost my ref potentially for the season, at least
for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
It's gonna be a one. Yeah. I'm in a keeper
ref league.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
So I had ed Hockey Lee for so long and
then he retired. So I've just locked up Adrian Hill.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
And this a year. You can't get anybody off the way, No,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
You know who's available is the guy who filled in
for Adrian Hill is the umpire. He is now available
for all Rep Fantasy leagues. Oh man, give it him
the business. Remember that one. That one is sixty nine offense.
He was giving him the business. Oh great stuff, thanks
(47:28):
MONSI uh, I do want to talk about Dak Prescott quickly.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Dak is one hundred and sixty yards away from becoming
the all time passing yardage leader for the Dallas Cowboys,
breaking a mark set by the guy he replaced, Tony Romo.
Speaker 10 (47:44):
I'm humbled, thankful to be healthy and to be in
this position to do it. I was on the production
call earlier and they asked me the same thing, what
I've thought this ten years ago? And I said, yeah,
I was very arrogant as a rookie. So and when
you when you're playing this game long enough and you
and you can stay healthy with my expectations of what
my play is, that's supposed to happen. So just thankful, humble,
(48:05):
super grateful to to be playing the game I love
at this high level and to still be doing it,
and just look forward to keep going that any of
those actually plan to that, it's definitely something to be shared,
whether it be with CD, whether it be with Omar.
I had a big part of it, right, all these receivers,
I mean, Michael Gallup played a big part in any
of these records, right, Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferd, Witting like
(48:28):
so many of them. So I'm just a product of
a lot of great players. And that's my point. When
you play a long time and you play with the
standard and expectations that I have, you should accomplish these
type of things.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He's on his way to being a top three Cowboys
quarterback of all time, and honestly, like if you were
to win a Super Bowl, automatic Hall of Famer. It's true.
I know it's crazy to talk about the Cowboys like that,
but when you consider, like how we look at Roger
Staubach and Troy Yikman of being like the top two levels.
Like when Dak took over for Tony Romo, I mean,
Tony Roma had to give a speech and the whole deal,
like that's gonna be have a better career than Tony Romo.
(49:01):
And if if they could win football games, he may
even climb higher up on that list.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
I'll say one quick thing.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
One you know, we you know, we live in this
ring culture, right, and it's like I gotta do that.
There is something to be said about a dude starting
his career and ending his career with one organization, even
if he doesn't reach the pinnacle, or he doesn't reach
it at the top of his game, or he doesn't
win a bunch of rings like Mahomes or Steph Curry
or whoever. The other thing I will say, remember years
(49:29):
ago when Tony Romo got that big announcing contract, you know,
twenty million a year or whatever. I was filling in
with Arnie Spanier and lady said, what's your first take?
And I said, Dak, in the middle of all those
contract negotiations, just stay a Cowboy because there's something to
starting and finishing your career somewhere. There's also something to
(49:49):
being a Cowboys quarterback that takes you through the rest
of life. And I think Dak is going to do
very well in whatever his pursuits are post career, assuming
of course, that he finished his career with the Cowboys.
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Doug Gottlieb
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