April 23, 2019 • 40 mins
Doug tells you why the Chiefs trading for Frank Clark and signing him to a huge contract shows you they are trying to be this year's version of the Rams. He also thinks Odell Beckham Jr.'s thread of tweets only confirms there was a problem while he was in New York. Plus, NBA Insider Chris Broussard joins the show to tell Doug what happens to the Thunder if they lose again in the first round of the playoffs.
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in Sunday, southern California. Hope that's a mirror of wherever
you are. We are two days away from the NFL
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Draft kicking off, which of course runs into the weekend,
and we already have a monster trade that went down.
So if you're listening to the update top of the hour,
you know that Frank Clark has been sent for him
the Seattle Seahawks to the Kinds City Chiefs Now Frank Clark,
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who he had off the field baggage heading into the draft,
that's what caused him to slip, But over his career
he has massed thirty five sacks, d thirty six tackles
and UH seventy two quarterback hits. Last year thirteen sacks,
and he wants to get paid. Remember this is a
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he's going to a Kansas City team that their weakness
was their defense. Justin Houston has gone. D Ford, who's
twenty eight years old, is gone. De Ford. His his
sacks mirrored that of Frank Gore. The difference is three
years younger. See I said Frank Gore, I'm I apologize
his Yes, Like Frank Gore is so good at forty
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years old as a running back and kidney, he's not
fourty years old that he's actually playing defense. Now. D
Ford and Frank Clark essentially the same guy minus three years.
The differences. Obviously, the younger model is going to cost
you that second contract. So there's a lot that goes
into this. The first and this is really really really important.
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There's basically three different stages or three different types of
NFL team. The first is the one with the quarterback
under a rookie contract. Those teams can go out and
spend a bunch of money because you have the quarterback
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under a rookie deal for the first four years of
his career. Even better, Yet, if you get that quarterback
under a rookie deal in the second, third, or fourth round,
like the Seahawks table with Russell Wilson, like the Cowboys
have done with Dak Prescott. Remember those deals by luck
by rule by CB, a collective bargaining agreement could not
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be redone in the first three years of their existence. Amazing, right, So,
but even the l A Rams last year, the Chicago
Bears last year, and now the Kansas City Chiefs this year,
they sit there and go, look, weird set at quarterback,
not just in terms of having what we think is
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our long term solution, but we have financially, we don't
have to spend ten twelve of our salary cap on
our quarterback, so we can spread that around. The second
type is what the Seattle Seattle Seahawks are, which is
now the sudden you have a superstar quarterback making superstar
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Mouney and that's where you started. Have to get creative.
That's you have to be really good in the draft
and get many other important position players with rookie contracts.
Don't believe me. Look at what the Green Bay Packers
are having to do. Look at what the Seattle Seahawks
having to do. Look at what the Detroit lines have
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had to do since they uh since you know, they
signed Matt Stafford to his huge deal. Look At what
how creative Atlanta has had to be with players not
named Julio Jones, with Matt Ryan's ridiculously large contract. And
then the third type of team is what the Patriots
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have and really what the Giants hope to be what
the Chargers are to a certain extent, which is, you
have a star quarterback who's towards the end of his
career and he's still really good, and truth be told,
you could pay him forty million dollars a year and
not really feel like you're overpaying him. But they've made
so much ridiculous money, so much ridiculous money, that now
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they just want to win. And now they're like, you
know what, I'll take fifteen when I could take thirty
if you can get some dudes around me. Now that's
the dreams scenario and that's why those are among best
teams in the NFL. Right, Charges might have the best talent.
Patriots just won the Super Bowl. Saints could have could
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have been in the Super Bowl, kind of same thing,
and it's a unicorn. You can't plan for it. If
it happens, the rest of the leagues just sitting there
going like, hey man, that's what we hope to be someday.
Good for you, But to the rest of the world,
you fall into one of these two categories, and how
you shape your team is going to be based upon
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the quarterback. Look, I guess there's the third team, which
is the one searching for the quarterback, but even those
teams really are planning on having a guy who's not
making more than ten million dollars a year. And that's
the difference between the Seahawks, who now locked into Russell
Wilson with the biggest deal in NFL history, and the
Kansas City Chiefs Pat Mahomes deal when it comes up
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will be ridiculous, but it's not coming up for another
off season. And even then, if the Chiefs want to
play hardball, they still actually have what three more years
after this year before they have to give him the
biggest contract we've ever seen, So they're in lies kind
of the the details that the impetus behind this trade.
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Seattle is gonna have to constantly be younger and get
more talented athletes and play the numbers game, whereas Kansas
City sits there and goes, we just saw the Rams
with a quarterback that we think we have a better
one than Jared Goff to Pat Mahomes. Most of us
wouldn't argue, right and make it argue, And they went
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all in on defensive star players to try and get
to and win a Super Bowl, and damn if it
didn't almost work. Now, imagine if you can put that
amount of star talent on the defensive side of the
football and you have Patrick effing Homes on the offensive
side of football instead out of Jared Golf, Jared Goff
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Night's player, Pat Mahomes superstar. So there you go. There's
the first big deal and why it makes complete sense
and oh yeah, by the way, it's a trade. And
so before we sit there and go, man, I can't
believe we gave up on Frank Clark. You got a first,
a second, and swap thirds. The second is until next
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year you move up in third, you swap thirds in
in uh this year, but you get an additional first
round pick. And by the way, I hate to be
that guy, but I like being that guy. John Griden
looks pretty smart right now, right, John Gridden didn't get
one first and a second and swap thirds. He got
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two first round picks. Yeah, I know, there's some other
picks that supposedly he had nothing to do with, but
two first round picks for another guy who wants a
new contract, much like Frank Clark wants a new contract,
and Frank Clark's earn it. Last thing is, and this
is the really interesting part, is Kansas City once again
taking a chance on a guy who does has some
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domestic violence in his background. Granted it hasn't been when
he's in the NFL. And if you don't think that's
caused for concern, I give you Tyreek Hill. You know
Tyreek Hill. The reports were, I think going back to
last week, that the kids have been removed from the
home and that there is some sort of investigation as
to domestic violence between he and his living fiance, who's
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the same woman he had the DV charge against that
caused him to get kicked out, kicked off the Oakland
State football team. So Kansas City does take chances. They
already lost Kareem Hunt, they may lose Tyreek Hill. And
let's hope that Frank Clark is just a great football
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player now and that those are things of the past.
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is different than the couple that's been married ten years.
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of trust built. You know, when you're just married. You
do everything together, everything, everything, everything, everything, And then there's
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just trying to keep your head above water. You gotta
worry about your job and finances and putting away for
the future. It's all about phases, phases of marriage, phases
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of quarterback. And if you're at the face he's a quarterback.
Where you have an Aaron Rodgers or a Russell Wilson
or Matt Ryan the prime of their career, you're gonna
have to pay for the prime of their career, Whereas
there's a benefit to having a guy under rookie under
a rookie scale for three or four years, in which
you can load up with frontloaded talented contracts and have
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great show, The Odd Couple he and Rob Parker, starts
at seven o'clock Eastern time, four o'clock Pacific, every night
right here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you make
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of k D saying, look, they need me, they be
in the media. If it wasn't for me being a
free agent, none of this would would come up. I
think it's ridiculous, um, because first of all, we don't
need him. If it was if Katie wasn't a free agent,
we'd be talking about the other free agent, you know
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what I mean. Like it's been a big time free
agent every summer essentially, it seems since Lebron left Cleveland
the first time, and it just gets bigger and bigger
and we pay attention to that free agent. Uh. And
then I heard you as I was coming on. I
agree like he you when when you hear anything about Clay,
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you hear little things about Kauai, but it's pretty much
the same stuff. We think he's going to the Clippers,
but he's not saying anything. And say what you want
about Lebron James and some of his social media stuff
he does. But Lebron is handled free agency and incredibly
well three times. You know, he doesn't let it ruin
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or or even come close to ruin his previous like
his last year in Cleveland. You know he put it
to he played with a little bit, but it never
certainly didn't ruin Cleveland season is last year in Miami,
same thing, and his last year in Cleveland again. Um,
so k d uh is off on this and um
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it's just it's just a more him being sensitive and
um it's it's it's kind of strange, you know. It's
it's weird though, because it does it takes away from
the fact that he's played incredibly the last two games, right, Like,
I don't Kevin Durant looks like the guy who's the
winner in the divorce and doesn't even want to take
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the trophy. Russell Westbrook can't get out of the first
round of the playoffs, can't make a jump shot, doesn't
you know, doesn't seem you know, it seems kind of
stuck in Oaklaham, sitting there stuck with him. Whereas Kevin
Durant is on a jet plane to playing the Rockets
and maybe winning his third straight title and his third
straight finals m v P. And yet he keeps bringing
up the media. Why why why can't he get out
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of his own way? And he keeps talking like he's
doing one on one interviews with tons of people, and
he talks about it, you know, So it's it's bizarre.
I don't know how to explain it. Um I think
he should just it's it's got to be a personality issue,
because again I bring up Lebron Lebron. Maybe Lebron thrives
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in this. Lebron likes the attention and and maybe k
D just doesn't, But I agree with you. I think
he is said things to fuel the fire. You you
can tell people around you, make sure people I mean,
I've been told people close to him are telling people
it's the Knicks. So tell those people to shut up
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if you if you know, like and if it goes
back to the burner account too, you had the burner account.
Don't get mad for the media for bringing that up.
You had it, you know, kads talk. I've thought the
k D and he he brings up his refrain about
they should just, you know, the media should just focus
on basketball and the exs and ohs and now you know,
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getting the you know, motives and speculation and all that.
But look, it's about the story and that's what people
are into. That's what people are interested in. We're not
just gonna write about who won and who lost and
it enables you to make a ton of money. I've
told him, We've talked about it, um and I've said
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or texting about it. Look, you guys need the meat
you're talking about. We need you, You need the media.
If it wasn't for the media putting your games on
television as great as they are. And it's to take
nothing away from the players. They're great, they work hard,
they deserve what they're they're getting. But if people, if
the media didn't put them on TV, and we didn't
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talk about them at nauseam on radio on other television shows,
they would just be a bunch of guys playing basketball,
and you wouldn't be making these millions of dollars and
getting these endorsements deals and all the other fringe benefits
they get. So they just have to understand that. And
if you're so sensitive that you can't really stand it
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and and listen to it and hear it, then just
shut it off to the degree that you can. Doug
Gotlin show here on Fox Sports Radio, what do you
what do you think happens in Oklama City if they
lose tonight? That's a good question. Um, I know there.
I've talked to some people there. They're tired of you know,
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like I've said it, and and other people I guess
have said it. Oh Westbrook, you can't win with him.
You can say that about a lot of players and
we'll look. It's the style of play, you know. I
don't know, it's gonna be a t I don't think
they look to trade him. I certainly don't think that.
Um I think does something happen with Billy Donovan, I don't.
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I think prustys of that belief of you know, just
keeping things, you know, steady, and you know, having a
coach for a long time. I think it would take
another like meltdown next year for them to really make
some substantial change. I think they'll try to add shooters,
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which is clearly something they need. That's easier said than done.
They've been trying that for a while, but I think
it will be more of that. There's some type of
radical change. Dog Gotli show here on Fox Sport Trader,
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He and Rob Parker have three hours of incredible discussion. Um, okay,
let's let's let's get to the Lakers thing. Magic Johnson
still says he's working behind the scenes. They're interviewing Monty
Williams and interviewing tylu Uh. This seems like a really
really weird umh order to go through, Like why are
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they hiring a president first before hiring a coach. Well,
what the talk is, and I've been told by somebody
close to it, uh, is that Pelinka is essentially in charge,
like not just for now, but he's gonna be running
basketball and they may I don't know if it will
be this guy, but the talk is they may bring
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in like a Kurt rambis Um And so they're not
going to be from what I'm told, uh, And I
think other people reported as well, they're not gonna be
any major changes in their front office because you're right,
they're doing it backwards. If you were going to bring
in a new front office, then you do that before
you go out here and interview coaches. And I know
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there was some talk about maybe they gotta deal with
somebody who's already in the playoffs. I I just that
doesn't make sense, even if, like even if that guy
were all in on Thy Lou and Monty Williams. You
want to be in the meetings, you need to be
in the interview. So I never bought that. Um So
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I do think it makes sense, and I'm told I
was told before Magic spoke to TMZ the same thing,
that he's in constant contact with the Lakers. Um that
he you know, there are those that have said a
lot of people have said and believed and written that
Magic going to get to rid of Polinka. But I'm
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being told that he's still talking with Polinka. Um, it's
not just Genie. Um. But I look, Magic, we knew
he wasn't gonna he's always gonna be Mr. Laker. We
knew he wasn't gonna, like be divorced from the franchise.
So the notion of him, you know, putting in a
good word for the Lakers and hey, you know you
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should look at the Lakers, you know, something like that
type of recruiting. I'm fine with that, But if he
really is as involved as he implied, then that's ridiculous,
you know, if he's And I gotta say the same
thing about Kobe, Like, if Kobe wanted to be president,
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then I would be. I think Kobe is smart enough.
We know he's very intelligent. He's a hard worker. He
understands the game and the new you know, technology and
analytics and all that too. Well. I think he actually
might be a good president but be the president, then
the behind the scenes. I don't want to have the
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responsibility the commitment of doing it, but I'm gonna tell
Jennie you know, and advise Genie and all that that's
not a good look in my belief, whether it's Kobe
or Magic, and that's what needs to start. Like the Knicks,
every team does it. You know, the Knicks have Larry
Johnson and the trail Spreewell and John starkon, but they're
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not consulting Larry Johnson on strategy and personnel decisions. And
so if you're not the president, he shouldn't be involved
to that degree anymore. Last thing, um, how big a
threat do you think the Rockets are to the to
the Warriors? I think Derreth thread I'm about sixty sixty
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forty Warriors like I think they Again, I'm obviously taking
the Warriors, but I think Houston is a matchup challenge
for them. I won't say problem because that would imply
they'll beat him, but I think they certainly match up
well with them. I think one of the problems for
Houston is they have these cold streaks and when they
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go cold. Now, now, uh from three Golden State can
have them too. Of course anything can have them, but
Golden State does a lot of other things. They get
me range shots, they you know, obviously do a lot
of backdoor layups and cuts like that, so they're not
totally all, you know, dependent on the three pointer the
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way Houston is. And when Houston gets cold, as we've
even seen in this series, then it's a whole different
ball game because they're they're only other recourse. It's stuff
at the rim. And so that's where I think that
could end up being the difference with this series with
Golden State. But that's the problem with being kind of
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you know, all in the paint or three point shots
you're gonna don'tor how well you shoot it from three,
you're gonna miss something. You're gonna miss half cold Street
after Nature jump shooting. So fascinating, fascinating stuff. Chris, thanks
so much for joining us. Look forward to hearing your show.
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o'clock percific. Of course, you see Christopher Shard on Fox
Sports one. Chris, thanks so much for joining us. Be
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show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. A lot
of people are kind of mentioning this story, and I
do hate how this happens. Sometimes. We there's a rule
in sports radio never assume. Don't assume that you know
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what I'm talking about, right, we do it. It's it's
a problem, like if you haven't been paying attention to
this Raider story, because there does seem to be Raiders
stories all the time. And I mentioned that Gruden is
kind of like Trump, which is even some of the
good things that he does gets panned because he's ten years,
a hundred million dollars and he makes a bunch of
funny faces and he's John Gruden, right, Okay, So here
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was the basic story going back to last week. Apparently
all of the scouts that the Raiders have were sent
home from their facility, like don't come back, and the
report was they were sent home because they didn't know
who to trust. Now the backstory too, it is most
teams don't have their scouts and involved in putting their
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big board together. And the Raiders, of course, hired a
general manager after their season. When you hire Mike Mayock
as your general manager and you already have scouts who
worked for a previous general manager, and those scouts work
on a yearly contract. Their work is done, do the legwork,
present your report, make your case for each player, and
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then we don't need you anymore. So it's a little
bit of a a misconception that scouts are involved in
this part of the process. Anyway, But my takeaway from
that story was, Okay, so the Raiders, even if they
don't truly trust their scouts, somebody who is complaining about
not being trustworthy leak that story too, was it? Ian Rappaport?
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T Ian Rappaport, I can't believe they don't trust me.
Let me pick up the phone or let me text
Ian rapp report that they don't trust me, which of
course is the move of a not trustworthy, untrustworthy person. Correct. Okay,
the same thing happened with Odell Beckham Jr. No, he
wasn't sent home from the facility. No, he didn't present
his scount report. It's this so um Dave Getleman sat
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down with um a reporter from NJ dot com. That's uh.
I actually think he used to be the Bergen Times record. Anyway,
it's the local newspaper did a great job of covering
all Jersey sports. Jersey Sports Giants Jets are actually in
New Jersey, not a New York order. So Dave Gettleman,
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who's the general manager, said recently in an nj dot
Com colm that the Giants had a culture problem. He
was asked if they still had a culture problem, and
Gettleman was quoted as saying not anymore. It was actually
a really really thoughtful response. Dave Gettleman has been a
part of seven Super Bowl teams and he said on
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those seven that never have I been a part of
a winning team that had a culture problem. And he's right.
I told people all along with Villanova won the national
championship three years ago, alright, three years ago as the
first STASH champers that four years ago and our four
seasons ago. Three years ago. Um, I remember being in
their locker room at their practice, did a couple of
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their games that year, and I was like, I don't
know what a chief. I've never been a part of
a national championship team. But if this isn't what it's like,
I don't know what is. Just felt different, felt different,
felt special. Say the same thing about Texas Tech this
year or Virginia this year. I've been around both of them.
So Odell Beckham Jr. Odell Beckham Jr. Of course took
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to Twitter and said, ask any one of my teammates
a man, as a man and a person. Yes, I'm
a cancer to a place that's okay with losing. I
want to win that bad You're absolutely correct. He goes
on responding to other people eight other tweets. Here's one
asked the coach, I begged him to go to each
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and every every one of those games. Actually a couple
of my teammates be on the sidelines for home games.
He told me no anything else, sir. That's whoever tweeted
asking why I didn't travel when I was hurt. Um.
There's more. We can go on and on and on
about it where he's responding to questions about Dave Gettleman
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and about culture and about being a cancer, which, by
the way, Dave Gettleman never called him out, never mentioned
him as being a cancer. But here's where it relates
to the Oakland Raiders deal. We don't have a culture.
I'm not a part of the cultural problem. Let me
tweet out and defend myself and show you why I'm
not part of the culture problem. I told them what
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I wanted to do and why the coach wouldn't let
me do this, and why they wouldn't let me do that,
and I do that's part of the culture problem. Don't
you understand like I get it. If you're Odell Beckham Jr.
I understand the things that you did that you thought
were going to help the team win. You want to
be a part of it, You want to take more
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ownership of it. Your emotions, your reactions were simply to
winning and losing. I understand, okay, but that's not how
you were perceived in that locker room. And by tweeting
out eight tweets about how you weren't the problem only
shows here's you were the problem, right like the the
all the Do you remember when when I brought this
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up a bunch of times, um when Jimbo Fisher took
the job at Texas and him go back a year ago,
he said, listen, I'm not going to get the exact quote,
but the quote was basically like, look, if you want
to win, everybody's got to pull in the same direction.
A d coach, strength coach, administrators, you know, players, everybody's
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gotta be boosters. We all gotta be all in on it.
And it doesn't mean that Odell Beckham Jr. Doesn't want
to win. And by the way, Dave Gettleman never one
mentioned Odeo Beckham Jr. And too. Even if we were
talking definitely about odebat Kam Jr. He didn't say he
didn't want to win. But when you have a culture problem,
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it means you don't have everybody pulling in the same direction.
You don't have everybody in line with the look, no
one's no one's questioning without Odell Beckham Jr. Is right
or wrong about his his assertion that um, his assertion
that Eli Manning doesn't have it anymore. But you can
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say it to yourself, you can think it, but you
can't tweet it. You can't say it to people in
the media. You can't question your coaches or the work
ethic of others. What are you doing? All of these
things are pulling in a direction that is not in
line with everybody else. Doing an interview with Little Wayne
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without telling anybody like I get it, I don't. We
none of us in the media when we have interviews,
we don't want pr people we we we do some
of these interviews where you have a PR person on
the phone while you're interviewing a person on the phone,
like they pick up the phone at the same time.
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We don't want that, but sometimes you need to be
protected from yourself. And O b J just still doesn't understand.
And his effort to tell us that he's not part
of the culture problem that the giants think they've ridded
themselves us of, he's actually displayed that he's part of
the culture problem that they've believe they've ridded themselves up.
Good luck, Cleveland. We'll know if things aren't going well
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because ob jail tweet about it or sit down with
somebody who's not actually a reporter, because everybody's anti media.
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kind of interesting that k D says they need me,
they being the media needs me, right. Essentially, what he
said was, Hey, if not for me being a free agent,
none of this would be a big story. And it continues,
and like, look, Chris Posar joined this last hour. It
loves KD, so do why I'm I was like the
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first guy a year and a half ago, two years
ago to go, hey, you know, Kevin Rant might actually
be the best player in this league. And I was
shouted down, like what possible information do you have? What
footage do you have? How could you possibly say that?
I was like, well, you know, we usually we usually
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say whoever plays the best in the second half of
the biggest games of the year, they you know, if
they have regular season m v P, multiple All Star performances,
great performances in the past, and they can win on
the biggest stage against the best players in the league.
I don't know. And if you remember two years ago
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he outplayed Lebron and last year he outplayed Lebron specifically
in the second half. And I love people like, well
Lebron wore down again that that's that doesn't matter. We
always judge people on what they do in the second
half of all the big games, and frankly the entirety
of all the big games. So people are coming around
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to that argument. Collin Coward is like, man, Kevin Red
is the best player in the league. Like a matter
of fact, is if he came up came up with
the idea like now I started talking about two years ago,
but at last others are coming around to it. And
then I read this quote and Broussar joined me last
hour and he was like, man, Katie, he just keeps
doing this to himself, like pitting himself against the media.
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How would you do that? Whether it's a um it's
a mission of self exploration, whether he's trying to create
kind of his own likeness and image and be the
anti hero, whatever it is telling chastise in the media
for not asking what he thinks are basketball questions. Some
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of the body language that he puts off is one
of aloofness, and his undeniable skill makes me think that
I've actually seen all of this before. Who's the greatest
player of all time? What's the argument we use? We say,
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well as Michael Jordan's the goat, or we do Lebron
James and the historic guy goes like hey, hy Bell Russo,
or the stat guy goes like, you know, well, Chamberlain.
These are all good arguments and they all have reasons
logic behind them. With scoring points, a ton of points
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be a good argument. We're winning championships be a good argument.
Sure would winning m v ps be a good part
of the argument. Sure, but scoring points, winning m v
ps and winning championships those all big big things. Yeah,
and competing against the best teams in your era. Time
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and again, sure you know we never mentioned Kareem abdul Jabbar.
Kareem is a six time champion, a six time NBA
m v P six times. Oh, and he's actually scored
more points than anybody else in the history of the game. No,
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he didn't average as many points and rebounds as Will
Chamberlain did, but Will Chamberlain not against him, was not
wouldn't always got outplayed by Bill Russell in the big games.
There isn't an argument you can make that can't include
Kareem abdul Jabbar in that discussion. And yet, have you
ever been a part of a discussion where people go like, hey,
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you know who's part of this discussion is Kareem abdui Bar. Now, Oh,
and he won three straight national championships in college. Right
everywhere he went, they won. And here's the other parts
where he's similar to Kevin Durant. I act people Kevin Durant,
And you've heard he has an unblockable shot. He's a
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seven footer who shoots the ball high and behind his head.
It's Oscar roberts Oscar Robertson had the same type of
jump shot, only this guy is actually better and taller
with longer arms. Do you want the last unstoppable shot
wasn't the NBA cream Abdul Jabbar sky hook right? Seven
ft two with the skyhook that nobody could block because
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he was a great athlete and uses off arm. Right,
it was an unstoppable weapon. You just hoped he missed.
Kareem was so good they outlawed dunking in college basketball.
That's how good he was, and yet no one mentions him.
You want to know why, Well, there's a bunch of reasons.
I would say the first, realistically, he did play a
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little bit too long. Right, played into his forty and
he was a bit of a shell. It was. It
wasn't quite Muhammad Ali at the end, but he was
the shell of his former self. Also, we've forgotten how
dominant centers were and how important they were. Think about
how many points he scored and he never hit a
three point shot. Pretty crazy, right, We forget that the
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ball used to go NBA bass, We used to play
inside out. It wasn't just your guy, but another power
forward who would help out you had to play one
on two, and he was the best at one on
two that there ever was. But I think the third
part is he was never really comfortable in his own skin.
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He always fought the media. Right. Kareem was he I've
I've actually played for Kareems bar. He's my coach when
I played in the usbl Kareem is brilliant, but his
interpersonal skills haven't always been great. Obviously, he grew up
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amongst amongst people who pointed at him, and he was
awkward and kind uh uncomfortable. He also read books and
was kind of a uh. He grew up in a
time in which there was still segregation in our country,
not where he grew up, but in parts of the country,
and he was bright enough to understand just how stupid
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that was and made it a point to point that out.
But he also didn't trust why people, and he had
a manager who ran off with a bunch of his money.
I look, there's a reason why he didn't trust people,
but he wasn't trusting of other people. It's the same
thing with Kevin Durant. He's not trusting of all people.
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He's also very very bright. He doesn't seem comfortable in
his own skin. His body language isn't always great. He
has an unblockable shot. He pits himself versus the media
for no apparent reason, much like Kareem abdul Jabar did.
Kareem left Milwaukee after winning a championship for the bright
Lights and big City and uh a much a much
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more balanced kind of plural community in Los Angeles, opposed
to the polarized, polarizing black side of town, white side
of town of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Back in the seven, He's like,
there's a lot there. Wait a second. Kevin Durant was
in Oklahoma City and now he's in San Francisco or
in Oakland, same guy. I don't know whether or not
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Kevin Duranto go down as the greatest player of all time,
but I know right now he's not even in the argument.
And look at his level of complete and total domination.
How many times he led the league in scoring, how
many times he had to be the league's MVP, the
finals MVP. What more does he He has an unblockable shot,
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He's an unstoppable weapon. He's so good that the New
York Knicks think, you know what, are only way to
be relevant is to get Kevin Rent in New York City.
We get him and the rest is easy. Kevin rants
going down the path of cream abdul Jabar, which could
go down as an all time great but just not
mentioned as an all time great, or could go down
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as the greatest of all time but just not mentioned
as the greatest of all time. Kind of an amazing
thing happened with Katie, isn't it. It's like he's too
smart for his own good, which is Kareem's problem. Kareem
is brilliant, but he's he's playing the older He's playing
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chess when the you're playing checkers. All right, he wants
you to know how smart he is. He wants to
have conversations on this supreme elite level about everything when
sometimes we just want to scratch ourselves and watch ball
on TV. We just want to know, Hey, dude, where
are you gonna go next year? Why aren't you happy here?
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Let's just smile more Clay smiles, more step smiles more
you Now Steph's got cool dances? Why it's kind of
gotta be Debbie Downer. That's the same thing is do
you remember the story about Magic Johnson's first game played
in Philadelphia? They had a game winning shot, Magic's hugging
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Kareem abdul Jabbar hugging him going crazy first game of
the season. You know, Kareem said he's a young bucker.
Got any one more like even then, Kareem just couldn't
enjoy the joy that Magic played with. Magic is Steph
same thing. Where are they just there's no one hated
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watching Magic Johnson play. Magic couldn't shoot, Magic didn't play
a ton of defense, but he completely took over a game.
Steph turns it over a lot. Steff they kind of
hide him defensively, but he can't stop watching him because
he does things like Magic we've just seemingly never seen
anybody do at his size before. But think about this,
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when you think of the greatest player of all time,
have you ever thought of Creamy abdul Jabbar in that discussion?
Likely it is no. And you've definitely never heard any
of us idiots on TV talk about And when you
start to draw as the conclusions as to a conclusion
as to why think of the things that Kareem would do,
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and how he would act, and how uncomfortably was with
the media with Milwaukee early on, with the attention that
he would receive with his perceived level of intelligence comparison
to others, how he handled himself in the media. And
then you look at Kevin Rant, same guy.
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in Sunday, southern California. Hope that's a mirror of wherever
you are. We are two days away from the NFL
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Draft kicking off, which of course runs into the weekend,
and we already have a monster trade that went down.
So if you're listening to the update top of the hour,
you know that Frank Clark has been sent for him
the Seattle Seahawks to the Kinds City Chiefs Now Frank Clark,
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who he had off the field baggage heading into the draft,
that's what caused him to slip, But over his career
he has massed thirty five sacks, d thirty six tackles
and UH seventy two quarterback hits. Last year thirteen sacks,
and he wants to get paid. Remember this is a
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he's going to a Kansas City team that their weakness
was their defense. Justin Houston has gone. D Ford, who's
twenty eight years old, is gone. De Ford. His his
sacks mirrored that of Frank Gore. The difference is three
years younger. See I said Frank Gore, I'm I apologize
his Yes, Like Frank Gore is so good at forty
(01:50):
years old as a running back and kidney, he's not
fourty years old that he's actually playing defense. Now. D
Ford and Frank Clark essentially the same guy minus three years.
The differences. Obviously, the younger model is going to cost
you that second contract. So there's a lot that goes
into this. The first and this is really really really important.
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There's basically three different stages or three different types of
NFL team. The first is the one with the quarterback
under a rookie contract. Those teams can go out and
spend a bunch of money because you have the quarterback
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under a rookie deal for the first four years of
his career. Even better, Yet, if you get that quarterback
under a rookie deal in the second, third, or fourth round,
like the Seahawks table with Russell Wilson, like the Cowboys
have done with Dak Prescott. Remember those deals by luck
by rule by CB, a collective bargaining agreement could not
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be redone in the first three years of their existence. Amazing, right, So,
but even the l A Rams last year, the Chicago
Bears last year, and now the Kansas City Chiefs this year,
they sit there and go, look, weird set at quarterback,
not just in terms of having what we think is
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our long term solution, but we have financially, we don't
have to spend ten twelve of our salary cap on
our quarterback, so we can spread that around. The second
type is what the Seattle Seattle Seahawks are, which is
now the sudden you have a superstar quarterback making superstar
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Mouney and that's where you started. Have to get creative.
That's you have to be really good in the draft
and get many other important position players with rookie contracts.
Don't believe me. Look at what the Green Bay Packers
are having to do. Look at what the Seattle Seahawks
having to do. Look at what the Detroit lines have
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had to do since they uh since you know, they
signed Matt Stafford to his huge deal. Look At what
how creative Atlanta has had to be with players not
named Julio Jones, with Matt Ryan's ridiculously large contract. And
then the third type of team is what the Patriots
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have and really what the Giants hope to be what
the Chargers are to a certain extent, which is, you
have a star quarterback who's towards the end of his
career and he's still really good, and truth be told,
you could pay him forty million dollars a year and
not really feel like you're overpaying him. But they've made
so much ridiculous money, so much ridiculous money, that now
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they just want to win. And now they're like, you
know what, I'll take fifteen when I could take thirty
if you can get some dudes around me. Now that's
the dreams scenario and that's why those are among best
teams in the NFL. Right, Charges might have the best talent.
Patriots just won the Super Bowl. Saints could have could
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have been in the Super Bowl, kind of same thing,
and it's a unicorn. You can't plan for it. If
it happens, the rest of the leagues just sitting there
going like, hey man, that's what we hope to be someday.
Good for you, But to the rest of the world,
you fall into one of these two categories, and how
you shape your team is going to be based upon
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the quarterback. Look, I guess there's the third team, which
is the one searching for the quarterback, but even those
teams really are planning on having a guy who's not
making more than ten million dollars a year. And that's
the difference between the Seahawks, who now locked into Russell
Wilson with the biggest deal in NFL history, and the
Kansas City Chiefs Pat Mahomes deal when it comes up
(05:53):
will be ridiculous, but it's not coming up for another
off season. And even then, if the Chiefs want to
play hardball, they still actually have what three more years
after this year before they have to give him the
biggest contract we've ever seen, So they're in lies kind
of the the details that the impetus behind this trade.
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Seattle is gonna have to constantly be younger and get
more talented athletes and play the numbers game, whereas Kansas
City sits there and goes, we just saw the Rams
with a quarterback that we think we have a better
one than Jared Goff to Pat Mahomes. Most of us
wouldn't argue, right and make it argue, And they went
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all in on defensive star players to try and get
to and win a Super Bowl, and damn if it
didn't almost work. Now, imagine if you can put that
amount of star talent on the defensive side of the
football and you have Patrick effing Homes on the offensive
side of football instead out of Jared Golf, Jared Goff
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Night's player, Pat Mahomes superstar. So there you go. There's
the first big deal and why it makes complete sense
and oh yeah, by the way, it's a trade. And
so before we sit there and go, man, I can't
believe we gave up on Frank Clark. You got a first,
a second, and swap thirds. The second is until next
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year you move up in third, you swap thirds in
in uh this year, but you get an additional first
round pick. And by the way, I hate to be
that guy, but I like being that guy. John Griden
looks pretty smart right now, right, John Gridden didn't get
one first and a second and swap thirds. He got
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two first round picks. Yeah, I know, there's some other
picks that supposedly he had nothing to do with, but
two first round picks for another guy who wants a
new contract, much like Frank Clark wants a new contract,
and Frank Clark's earn it. Last thing is, and this
is the really interesting part, is Kansas City once again
taking a chance on a guy who does has some
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domestic violence in his background. Granted it hasn't been when
he's in the NFL. And if you don't think that's
caused for concern, I give you Tyreek Hill. You know
Tyreek Hill. The reports were, I think going back to
last week, that the kids have been removed from the
home and that there is some sort of investigation as
to domestic violence between he and his living fiance, who's
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the same woman he had the DV charge against that
caused him to get kicked out, kicked off the Oakland
State football team. So Kansas City does take chances. They
already lost Kareem Hunt, they may lose Tyreek Hill. And
let's hope that Frank Clark is just a great football
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player now and that those are things of the past.
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is different than the couple that's been married ten years.
And then there's a couple that's been married twenty five years,
and you're like, man, he goes and does guys trips.
She does and does she's the whole summer. She goes
and spends in veil, Like, how is that a relationship? Like, Look,
they've been together twenty five years. They're good. That's a
unicorn relationship. They've had kids, they made a bunch of money,
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they travel sometimes together, sometimes not together. There's a ton
of trust built. You know, when you're just married. You
do everything together, everything, everything, everything, everything, And then there's
the people in the middle that you have kids. You're
just trying to keep your head above water. You gotta
worry about your job and finances and putting away for
the future. It's all about phases, phases of marriage, phases
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of quarterback. And if you're at the face he's a quarterback.
Where you have an Aaron Rodgers or a Russell Wilson
or Matt Ryan the prime of their career, you're gonna
have to pay for the prime of their career, Whereas
there's a benefit to having a guy under rookie under
a rookie scale for three or four years, in which
you can load up with frontloaded talented contracts and have
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great show, The Odd Couple he and Rob Parker, starts
at seven o'clock Eastern time, four o'clock Pacific, every night
right here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you make
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of k D saying, look, they need me, they be
in the media. If it wasn't for me being a
free agent, none of this would would come up. I
think it's ridiculous, um, because first of all, we don't
need him. If it was if Katie wasn't a free agent,
we'd be talking about the other free agent, you know
(11:01):
what I mean. Like it's been a big time free
agent every summer essentially, it seems since Lebron left Cleveland
the first time, and it just gets bigger and bigger
and we pay attention to that free agent. Uh. And
then I heard you as I was coming on. I
agree like he you when when you hear anything about Clay,
(11:21):
you hear little things about Kauai, but it's pretty much
the same stuff. We think he's going to the Clippers,
but he's not saying anything. And say what you want
about Lebron James and some of his social media stuff
he does. But Lebron is handled free agency and incredibly
well three times. You know, he doesn't let it ruin
(11:43):
or or even come close to ruin his previous like
his last year in Cleveland. You know he put it
to he played with a little bit, but it never
certainly didn't ruin Cleveland season is last year in Miami,
same thing, and his last year in Cleveland again. Um,
so k d uh is off on this and um
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it's just it's just a more him being sensitive and
um it's it's it's kind of strange, you know. It's
it's weird though, because it does it takes away from
the fact that he's played incredibly the last two games, right, Like,
I don't Kevin Durant looks like the guy who's the
winner in the divorce and doesn't even want to take
(12:29):
the trophy. Russell Westbrook can't get out of the first
round of the playoffs, can't make a jump shot, doesn't
you know, doesn't seem you know, it seems kind of
stuck in Oaklaham, sitting there stuck with him. Whereas Kevin
Durant is on a jet plane to playing the Rockets
and maybe winning his third straight title and his third
straight finals m v P. And yet he keeps bringing
up the media. Why why why can't he get out
(12:51):
of his own way? And he keeps talking like he's
doing one on one interviews with tons of people, and
he talks about it, you know, So it's it's bizarre.
I don't know how to explain it. Um I think
he should just it's it's got to be a personality issue,
because again I bring up Lebron Lebron. Maybe Lebron thrives
(13:15):
in this. Lebron likes the attention and and maybe k
D just doesn't, But I agree with you. I think
he is said things to fuel the fire. You you
can tell people around you, make sure people I mean,
I've been told people close to him are telling people
it's the Knicks. So tell those people to shut up
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if you if you know, like and if it goes
back to the burner account too, you had the burner account.
Don't get mad for the media for bringing that up.
You had it, you know, kads talk. I've thought the
k D and he he brings up his refrain about
they should just, you know, the media should just focus
on basketball and the exs and ohs and now you know,
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getting the you know, motives and speculation and all that.
But look, it's about the story and that's what people
are into. That's what people are interested in. We're not
just gonna write about who won and who lost and
it enables you to make a ton of money. I've
told him, We've talked about it, um and I've said
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or texting about it. Look, you guys need the meat
you're talking about. We need you, You need the media.
If it wasn't for the media putting your games on
television as great as they are. And it's to take
nothing away from the players. They're great, they work hard,
they deserve what they're they're getting. But if people, if
the media didn't put them on TV, and we didn't
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talk about them at nauseam on radio on other television shows,
they would just be a bunch of guys playing basketball,
and you wouldn't be making these millions of dollars and
getting these endorsements deals and all the other fringe benefits
they get. So they just have to understand that. And
if you're so sensitive that you can't really stand it
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and and listen to it and hear it, then just
shut it off to the degree that you can. Doug
Gotlin show here on Fox Sports Radio, what do you
what do you think happens in Oklama City if they
lose tonight? That's a good question. Um, I know there.
I've talked to some people there. They're tired of you know,
(15:31):
like I've said it, and and other people I guess
have said it. Oh Westbrook, you can't win with him.
You can say that about a lot of players and
we'll look. It's the style of play, you know. I
don't know, it's gonna be a t I don't think
they look to trade him. I certainly don't think that.
Um I think does something happen with Billy Donovan, I don't.
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I think prustys of that belief of you know, just
keeping things, you know, steady, and you know, having a
coach for a long time. I think it would take
another like meltdown next year for them to really make
some substantial change. I think they'll try to add shooters,
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which is clearly something they need. That's easier said than done.
They've been trying that for a while, but I think
it will be more of that. There's some type of
radical change. Dog Gotli show here on Fox Sport Trader,
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He and Rob Parker have three hours of incredible discussion. Um, okay,
let's let's let's get to the Lakers thing. Magic Johnson
still says he's working behind the scenes. They're interviewing Monty
Williams and interviewing tylu Uh. This seems like a really
really weird umh order to go through, Like why are
(17:00):
they hiring a president first before hiring a coach. Well,
what the talk is, and I've been told by somebody
close to it, uh, is that Pelinka is essentially in charge,
like not just for now, but he's gonna be running
basketball and they may I don't know if it will
be this guy, but the talk is they may bring
(17:20):
in like a Kurt rambis Um And so they're not
going to be from what I'm told, uh, And I
think other people reported as well, they're not gonna be
any major changes in their front office because you're right,
they're doing it backwards. If you were going to bring
in a new front office, then you do that before
you go out here and interview coaches. And I know
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there was some talk about maybe they gotta deal with
somebody who's already in the playoffs. I I just that
doesn't make sense, even if, like even if that guy
were all in on Thy Lou and Monty Williams. You
want to be in the meetings, you need to be
in the interview. So I never bought that. Um So
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I do think it makes sense, and I'm told I
was told before Magic spoke to TMZ the same thing,
that he's in constant contact with the Lakers. Um that
he you know, there are those that have said a
lot of people have said and believed and written that
Magic going to get to rid of Polinka. But I'm
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being told that he's still talking with Polinka. Um, it's
not just Genie. Um. But I look, Magic, we knew
he wasn't gonna he's always gonna be Mr. Laker. We
knew he wasn't gonna, like be divorced from the franchise.
So the notion of him, you know, putting in a
good word for the Lakers and hey, you know you
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should look at the Lakers, you know, something like that
type of recruiting. I'm fine with that, But if he
really is as involved as he implied, then that's ridiculous,
you know, if he's And I gotta say the same
thing about Kobe, Like, if Kobe wanted to be president,
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then I would be. I think Kobe is smart enough.
We know he's very intelligent. He's a hard worker. He
understands the game and the new you know, technology and
analytics and all that too. Well. I think he actually
might be a good president but be the president, then
the behind the scenes. I don't want to have the
(19:29):
responsibility the commitment of doing it, but I'm gonna tell
Jennie you know, and advise Genie and all that that's
not a good look in my belief, whether it's Kobe
or Magic, and that's what needs to start. Like the Knicks,
every team does it. You know, the Knicks have Larry
Johnson and the trail Spreewell and John starkon, but they're
(19:51):
not consulting Larry Johnson on strategy and personnel decisions. And
so if you're not the president, he shouldn't be involved
to that degree anymore. Last thing, um, how big a
threat do you think the Rockets are to the to
the Warriors? I think Derreth thread I'm about sixty sixty
(20:16):
forty Warriors like I think they Again, I'm obviously taking
the Warriors, but I think Houston is a matchup challenge
for them. I won't say problem because that would imply
they'll beat him, but I think they certainly match up
well with them. I think one of the problems for
Houston is they have these cold streaks and when they
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go cold. Now, now, uh from three Golden State can
have them too. Of course anything can have them, but
Golden State does a lot of other things. They get
me range shots, they you know, obviously do a lot
of backdoor layups and cuts like that, so they're not
totally all, you know, dependent on the three pointer the
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way Houston is. And when Houston gets cold, as we've
even seen in this series, then it's a whole different
ball game because they're they're only other recourse. It's stuff
at the rim. And so that's where I think that
could end up being the difference with this series with
Golden State. But that's the problem with being kind of
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you know, all in the paint or three point shots
you're gonna don'tor how well you shoot it from three,
you're gonna miss something. You're gonna miss half cold Street
after Nature jump shooting. So fascinating, fascinating stuff. Chris, thanks
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of people are kind of mentioning this story, and I
do hate how this happens. Sometimes. We there's a rule
in sports radio never assume. Don't assume that you know
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what I'm talking about, right, we do it. It's it's
a problem, like if you haven't been paying attention to
this Raider story, because there does seem to be Raiders
stories all the time. And I mentioned that Gruden is
kind of like Trump, which is even some of the
good things that he does gets panned because he's ten years,
a hundred million dollars and he makes a bunch of
funny faces and he's John Gruden, right, Okay, So here
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was the basic story going back to last week. Apparently
all of the scouts that the Raiders have were sent
home from their facility, like don't come back, and the
report was they were sent home because they didn't know
who to trust. Now the backstory too, it is most
teams don't have their scouts and involved in putting their
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big board together. And the Raiders, of course, hired a
general manager after their season. When you hire Mike Mayock
as your general manager and you already have scouts who
worked for a previous general manager, and those scouts work
on a yearly contract. Their work is done, do the legwork,
present your report, make your case for each player, and
(23:08):
then we don't need you anymore. So it's a little
bit of a a misconception that scouts are involved in
this part of the process. Anyway, But my takeaway from
that story was, Okay, so the Raiders, even if they
don't truly trust their scouts, somebody who is complaining about
not being trustworthy leak that story too, was it? Ian Rappaport?
(23:33):
T Ian Rappaport, I can't believe they don't trust me.
Let me pick up the phone or let me text
Ian rapp report that they don't trust me, which of
course is the move of a not trustworthy, untrustworthy person. Correct. Okay,
the same thing happened with Odell Beckham Jr. No, he
wasn't sent home from the facility. No, he didn't present
his scount report. It's this so um Dave Getleman sat
(23:56):
down with um a reporter from NJ dot com. That's uh.
I actually think he used to be the Bergen Times record. Anyway,
it's the local newspaper did a great job of covering
all Jersey sports. Jersey Sports Giants Jets are actually in
New Jersey, not a New York order. So Dave Gettleman,
(24:16):
who's the general manager, said recently in an nj dot
Com colm that the Giants had a culture problem. He
was asked if they still had a culture problem, and
Gettleman was quoted as saying not anymore. It was actually
a really really thoughtful response. Dave Gettleman has been a
part of seven Super Bowl teams and he said on
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those seven that never have I been a part of
a winning team that had a culture problem. And he's right.
I told people all along with Villanova won the national
championship three years ago, alright, three years ago as the
first STASH champers that four years ago and our four
seasons ago. Three years ago. Um, I remember being in
their locker room at their practice, did a couple of
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their games that year, and I was like, I don't
know what a chief. I've never been a part of
a national championship team. But if this isn't what it's like,
I don't know what is. Just felt different, felt different,
felt special. Say the same thing about Texas Tech this
year or Virginia this year. I've been around both of them.
So Odell Beckham Jr. Odell Beckham Jr. Of course took
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to Twitter and said, ask any one of my teammates
a man, as a man and a person. Yes, I'm
a cancer to a place that's okay with losing. I
want to win that bad You're absolutely correct. He goes
on responding to other people eight other tweets. Here's one
asked the coach, I begged him to go to each
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and every every one of those games. Actually a couple
of my teammates be on the sidelines for home games.
He told me no anything else, sir. That's whoever tweeted
asking why I didn't travel when I was hurt. Um.
There's more. We can go on and on and on
about it where he's responding to questions about Dave Gettleman
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and about culture and about being a cancer, which, by
the way, Dave Gettleman never called him out, never mentioned
him as being a cancer. But here's where it relates
to the Oakland Raiders deal. We don't have a culture.
I'm not a part of the cultural problem. Let me
tweet out and defend myself and show you why I'm
not part of the culture problem. I told them what
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I wanted to do and why the coach wouldn't let
me do this, and why they wouldn't let me do that,
and I do that's part of the culture problem. Don't
you understand like I get it. If you're Odell Beckham Jr.
I understand the things that you did that you thought
were going to help the team win. You want to
be a part of it, You want to take more
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ownership of it. Your emotions, your reactions were simply to
winning and losing. I understand, okay, but that's not how
you were perceived in that locker room. And by tweeting
out eight tweets about how you weren't the problem only
shows here's you were the problem, right like the the
all the Do you remember when when I brought this
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up a bunch of times, um when Jimbo Fisher took
the job at Texas and him go back a year ago,
he said, listen, I'm not going to get the exact quote,
but the quote was basically like, look, if you want
to win, everybody's got to pull in the same direction.
A d coach, strength coach, administrators, you know, players, everybody's
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gotta be boosters. We all gotta be all in on it.
And it doesn't mean that Odell Beckham Jr. Doesn't want
to win. And by the way, Dave Gettleman never one
mentioned Odeo Beckham Jr. And too. Even if we were
talking definitely about odebat Kam Jr. He didn't say he
didn't want to win. But when you have a culture problem,
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it means you don't have everybody pulling in the same direction.
You don't have everybody in line with the look, no
one's no one's questioning without Odell Beckham Jr. Is right
or wrong about his his assertion that um, his assertion
that Eli Manning doesn't have it anymore. But you can
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say it to yourself, you can think it, but you
can't tweet it. You can't say it to people in
the media. You can't question your coaches or the work
ethic of others. What are you doing? All of these
things are pulling in a direction that is not in
line with everybody else. Doing an interview with Little Wayne
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without telling anybody like I get it, I don't. We
none of us in the media when we have interviews,
we don't want pr people we we we do some
of these interviews where you have a PR person on
the phone while you're interviewing a person on the phone,
like they pick up the phone at the same time.
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We don't want that, but sometimes you need to be
protected from yourself. And O b J just still doesn't understand.
And his effort to tell us that he's not part
of the culture problem that the giants think they've ridded
themselves us of, he's actually displayed that he's part of
the culture problem that they've believe they've ridded themselves up.
Good luck, Cleveland. We'll know if things aren't going well
(29:26):
because ob jail tweet about it or sit down with
somebody who's not actually a reporter, because everybody's anti media.
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search f s R to listen live. I thought it's
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kind of interesting that k D says they need me,
they being the media needs me, right. Essentially, what he
said was, Hey, if not for me being a free agent,
none of this would be a big story. And it continues,
and like, look, Chris Posar joined this last hour. It
loves KD, so do why I'm I was like the
(30:07):
first guy a year and a half ago, two years
ago to go, hey, you know, Kevin Rant might actually
be the best player in this league. And I was
shouted down, like what possible information do you have? What
footage do you have? How could you possibly say that?
I was like, well, you know, we usually we usually
(30:28):
say whoever plays the best in the second half of
the biggest games of the year, they you know, if
they have regular season m v P, multiple All Star performances,
great performances in the past, and they can win on
the biggest stage against the best players in the league.
I don't know. And if you remember two years ago
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he outplayed Lebron and last year he outplayed Lebron specifically
in the second half. And I love people like, well
Lebron wore down again that that's that doesn't matter. We
always judge people on what they do in the second
half of all the big games, and frankly the entirety
of all the big games. So people are coming around
(31:12):
to that argument. Collin Coward is like, man, Kevin Red
is the best player in the league. Like a matter
of fact, is if he came up came up with
the idea like now I started talking about two years ago,
but at last others are coming around to it. And
then I read this quote and Broussar joined me last
hour and he was like, man, Katie, he just keeps
doing this to himself, like pitting himself against the media.
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How would you do that? Whether it's a um it's
a mission of self exploration, whether he's trying to create
kind of his own likeness and image and be the
anti hero, whatever it is telling chastise in the media
for not asking what he thinks are basketball questions. Some
(31:59):
of the body language that he puts off is one
of aloofness, and his undeniable skill makes me think that
I've actually seen all of this before. Who's the greatest
player of all time? What's the argument we use? We say,
(32:20):
well as Michael Jordan's the goat, or we do Lebron
James and the historic guy goes like hey, hy Bell Russo,
or the stat guy goes like, you know, well, Chamberlain.
These are all good arguments and they all have reasons
logic behind them. With scoring points, a ton of points
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be a good argument. We're winning championships be a good argument.
Sure would winning m v ps be a good part
of the argument. Sure, but scoring points, winning m v
ps and winning championships those all big big things. Yeah,
and competing against the best teams in your era. Time
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and again, sure you know we never mentioned Kareem abdul Jabbar.
Kareem is a six time champion, a six time NBA
m v P six times. Oh, and he's actually scored
more points than anybody else in the history of the game. No,
(33:27):
he didn't average as many points and rebounds as Will
Chamberlain did, but Will Chamberlain not against him, was not
wouldn't always got outplayed by Bill Russell in the big games.
There isn't an argument you can make that can't include
Kareem abdul Jabbar in that discussion. And yet, have you
ever been a part of a discussion where people go like, hey,
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you know who's part of this discussion is Kareem abdui Bar. Now, Oh,
and he won three straight national championships in college. Right
everywhere he went, they won. And here's the other parts
where he's similar to Kevin Durant. I act people Kevin Durant,
And you've heard he has an unblockable shot. He's a
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seven footer who shoots the ball high and behind his head.
It's Oscar roberts Oscar Robertson had the same type of
jump shot, only this guy is actually better and taller
with longer arms. Do you want the last unstoppable shot
wasn't the NBA cream Abdul Jabbar sky hook right? Seven
ft two with the skyhook that nobody could block because
(34:36):
he was a great athlete and uses off arm. Right,
it was an unstoppable weapon. You just hoped he missed.
Kareem was so good they outlawed dunking in college basketball.
That's how good he was, and yet no one mentions him.
You want to know why, Well, there's a bunch of reasons.
I would say the first, realistically, he did play a
(34:57):
little bit too long. Right, played into his forty and
he was a bit of a shell. It was. It
wasn't quite Muhammad Ali at the end, but he was
the shell of his former self. Also, we've forgotten how
dominant centers were and how important they were. Think about
how many points he scored and he never hit a
three point shot. Pretty crazy, right, We forget that the
(35:21):
ball used to go NBA bass, We used to play
inside out. It wasn't just your guy, but another power
forward who would help out you had to play one
on two, and he was the best at one on
two that there ever was. But I think the third
part is he was never really comfortable in his own skin.
(35:42):
He always fought the media. Right. Kareem was he I've
I've actually played for Kareems bar. He's my coach when
I played in the usbl Kareem is brilliant, but his
interpersonal skills haven't always been great. Obviously, he grew up
(36:03):
amongst amongst people who pointed at him, and he was
awkward and kind uh uncomfortable. He also read books and
was kind of a uh. He grew up in a
time in which there was still segregation in our country,
not where he grew up, but in parts of the country,
and he was bright enough to understand just how stupid
(36:25):
that was and made it a point to point that out.
But he also didn't trust why people, and he had
a manager who ran off with a bunch of his money.
I look, there's a reason why he didn't trust people,
but he wasn't trusting of other people. It's the same
thing with Kevin Durant. He's not trusting of all people.
(36:47):
He's also very very bright. He doesn't seem comfortable in
his own skin. His body language isn't always great. He
has an unblockable shot. He pits himself versus the media
for no apparent reason, much like Kareem abdul Jabar did.
Kareem left Milwaukee after winning a championship for the bright
Lights and big City and uh a much a much
(37:11):
more balanced kind of plural community in Los Angeles, opposed
to the polarized, polarizing black side of town, white side
of town of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Back in the seven, He's like,
there's a lot there. Wait a second. Kevin Durant was
in Oklahoma City and now he's in San Francisco or
in Oakland, same guy. I don't know whether or not
(37:35):
Kevin Duranto go down as the greatest player of all time,
but I know right now he's not even in the argument.
And look at his level of complete and total domination.
How many times he led the league in scoring, how
many times he had to be the league's MVP, the
finals MVP. What more does he He has an unblockable shot,
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He's an unstoppable weapon. He's so good that the New
York Knicks think, you know what, are only way to
be relevant is to get Kevin Rent in New York City.
We get him and the rest is easy. Kevin rants
going down the path of cream abdul Jabar, which could
go down as an all time great but just not
mentioned as an all time great, or could go down
(38:18):
as the greatest of all time but just not mentioned
as the greatest of all time. Kind of an amazing
thing happened with Katie, isn't it. It's like he's too
smart for his own good, which is Kareem's problem. Kareem
is brilliant, but he's he's playing the older He's playing
(38:39):
chess when the you're playing checkers. All right, he wants
you to know how smart he is. He wants to
have conversations on this supreme elite level about everything when
sometimes we just want to scratch ourselves and watch ball
on TV. We just want to know, Hey, dude, where
are you gonna go next year? Why aren't you happy here?
(39:00):
Let's just smile more Clay smiles, more step smiles more
you Now Steph's got cool dances? Why it's kind of
gotta be Debbie Downer. That's the same thing is do
you remember the story about Magic Johnson's first game played
in Philadelphia? They had a game winning shot, Magic's hugging
(39:22):
Kareem abdul Jabbar hugging him going crazy first game of
the season. You know, Kareem said he's a young bucker.
Got any one more like even then, Kareem just couldn't
enjoy the joy that Magic played with. Magic is Steph
same thing. Where are they just there's no one hated
(39:46):
watching Magic Johnson play. Magic couldn't shoot, Magic didn't play
a ton of defense, but he completely took over a game.
Steph turns it over a lot. Steff they kind of
hide him defensively, but he can't stop watching him because
he does things like Magic we've just seemingly never seen
anybody do at his size before. But think about this,
(40:11):
when you think of the greatest player of all time,
have you ever thought of Creamy abdul Jabbar in that discussion?
Likely it is no. And you've definitely never heard any
of us idiots on TV talk about And when you
start to draw as the conclusions as to a conclusion
as to why think of the things that Kareem would do,
(40:34):
and how he would act, and how uncomfortably was with
the media with Milwaukee early on, with the attention that
he would receive with his perceived level of intelligence comparison
to others, how he handled himself in the media. And
then you look at Kevin Rant, same guy.
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