December 2, 2025 • 31 mins
Doug makes an analogy between tea/coffee drinkers and the snow. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take on Drake Maye. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems most annoying today. Plus, Abdul Carter makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Years in
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
I heart ride about that. You know what's interesting is
Sam can speak to this.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And and Dan can speak to this, Chasty, you really can't.
So it's it snowed this weekend, and it was snowing
outside yesterday and now it's it's just cold, but there
is snow on the ground. There is something to the
first snowfall anywhere you are. But the other thing that
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I found interesting is a couple of things. It's like,
my feeling about cold weather is the same about my
feeling about iced tea and feeling about black coffee. You
didn't know this Chase too that Adam Klug is my
longtime producer at ESPN and CBS.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He's now Yeah, so he has.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
This saying that that that plain iced tea exists in
this world for only one reason, to be sweetened. Right,
And he's from Georgia, He's from Alpharetta, classic Southern man's take,
because they only drink sweet tea. I drink Arnold Palmer's
same thing, right, plain iced tea, No thanks, put a
little lemonade in it, and it's the greatest drink ever.
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I think the same thing of black coffee. Black coffee
exists to be sweetened, and it's it's like the I
don't think black coffee on its own brings a ton
of value to this world. I don't think iced tea
on its own brings a ton of value to this world.
I don't think cold weather alone brings a ton of eale. Now,
you throw some snow on the ground, and I like
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cold weather. But there is this other part, and I
don't know if it's a real I think it's a
real thing, which is, when it gets really cold, it
doesn't snow. It's like too cold to snow. So there
is a moderate level of cold where snowing does exist,
and that's the level that everybody likes. And when it's
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just cold for no reason other than to be cold
and windy, that's the part you can't stand.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Same you agree.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I like that it's almost like the the snow is
the is the half and half in your coffee?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
How about that? Same colors? But I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's it's because I think that there's something about snow
on the ground. It actually makes everything quieter because it
like adds this blanket, which sound I don't know it does.
We're weird self a sound, but it is something about like, Okay,
there's snow on the ground.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
It's allowed to be cold. It's winter.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
But yeah, if it's there, you're right, there is a
thing between if it's too cold. I think it has
something to do with like the the amount of whatever
moisture in the air, and like it can't snow. That
is a thing. If it's like minus five, I think
it still can snow. But I think there is something
to what you're saying. But yes, I agree. If it's
just cold barren land where it's brown and it just freezing,
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it looks ugly and it feels ugly.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Totally agree.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I have a theory. I want to hear my black
coffee theory. Sure, I can't speak to snow. I've only
done snow recreationally, so I'm out of that conversation. But
my theory on black coffee is this, have either of
do either of you drink scotch, like regularly.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Not regularly for a treat.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
The theory is this, if you drink scotch, you also
drink your coffee black. I think it has something to
do with just kind of the old man's man, kind
of the Don Draper days Scotch in the office, black coffee,
the sweeteners, kind of the the female metro sexual version
of coffee. So I think that's kind of my theory.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
What if you enjoy bourbon, does it have to be Scotch?
Can it be any of the brown whiskey family.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I mean, Rubes and Trump supporters drink bourbon, so I
think they all like their t sweet.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
No.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
I think I think Scotch is just a more sophisticated
brown wiquor.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Anybody agrees without smoky, that's I think that's It's the
peat in it that I don't really care for.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
It's the smokiness. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I kind of like the taste of bourbon more. I
have switched over more to the clear stuff tequila and vodka.
I feel like it treats you a little better the
next day.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, I mean again, I was at at Keeper's Heart
where they have bourbon and whiskey, and yeah, the combined mash,
you know, it's really really, really good. So but I
I would agree with that that as the reference I'm
good with it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm good with it anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I just was that was just my weather report slash
and I'm looking out from my office at a snow
kind of a blanket of snow on the grass, and
I'm like, huh, I thought, Sam, you brought up a
great point.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It does make everything quieter.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It is like a kind of like an insulation layer
that quiets everything down, very very peaceful.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And the visual of it, and it looks much better.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Like that's what's the sucky thing about leaving the Midwest
in like February March. Yeah, it's brown, it's muddy, it's
just really and the trees are all empty, no leaves.
It's just very That's when you're like, okay, spring like,
let's see some leaves now, yep, yep. But the doug
the whole mid like from Missouri all the way up
to Wisconsin. A huge storm that passed what over this weekend,
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and I mean Iowa got a ton and it was
quite the storm.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, well it's gonna get cold this week so and
I've also gotten to the point where, like we play
a home game on Thursday and Thursday morning, I think
it's gonna be four degrees outside, which means wind.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
She'll probably take it to negative fifteen. Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like I, I've now reached the point where I'm real,
I want it to be as cold as possible when
other teams are in town, because you know why, just
doesn't feel good and not that our guys love it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But they're gonna get used to it quicker than the other.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Guys will ice the team.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Baby, there you go, Frozen Tundra.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
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Speaker 3 (06:08):
Let's get to the Fox Says and.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Now every day at this time in the Bonus Podcast
and play for your portion of a previous show Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports One, and uh we call what
does the Fox Say?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Here's LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox who Bros.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Cuba Joe talking about the college Football Playoff Committee and
what they should factor into Lane Kiffin's departure in their
selections and seating.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
I just think the confusion of it all that that
Lane Kiffin what wanted to coach but was not given
the opportunity to coach anybody else, whether it's somebody who's
been there, somebody who hasn't been there, whatever it may be.
I think the confused state of what's going on with
ole Miss right now drives down the value of what
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they would be matchup wise in trying to create the
most you know, appealing brackets for college football playoffs. I
don't think there is appealing wise or anyone who may
return back to coach outside of Lane Kiff and being
a part of it.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You don't think there would be people that would want
to watch them to root them on, like, hey, this
team got ditched.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
You know, people that are going to have that feeling
towards them. But just I just I don't I don't
see that. I mean, people had that feeling for Florida
State if they can do it without their quarterbackayers.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Well to that point, like Jordan Travis wasn't there, you
know that's gonna have It's always a game of players,
and if there's not a player there, that's one thing.
I mean, not having a coach. I could see your point.
But if you've got the guy who's calling the plays there,
just not the figurehead of you know, head coach. Why
why do we have to penalize the players for that?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You're not penalizing the players. You need to stop with that.
Just stop with this.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's not a penalty, Okay, it's it's incredibly disingenuous. And
I don't think that's what Brady means by it, but
if I think most people mean it in the you're
not penalizing the player. Your job on the sledsh committee
is to evaluate who's actually better than somebody else. And
anyone with a fucking brain will tell you Ole Miss
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is not as good without lang Kiffen.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They're just not.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
He's an unbelievable offensive coordinator, play caller, great, great relationship
with quarterbacks as well. Okay, now with that, you may
get a temporary bump where the team becomes more united
again in perception, becomes more united with not just that
he left, but how he left. But the reality is
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they're not as good as they were when they had
Lane Kiffin as their head coach. And your job in
the committee is not to You're not punishing the players.
You haven't punished Florida State. You just said, hey, dude,
you're not as good without your quarterback. Your backup quarterback
then as good as your starter, and we've evaluated that
you didn't belong in the playoff at the time. So
for Old Miss you have to take them down a
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seed or two because they're not as good.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Do you cut them out of the playoff?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Probably not, But if they were the last team in,
then yes they would be out.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's not a punishment, that's an.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Evaluation of how good they are. And it's impossible because
you don't know. You haven't seen him play as oppose
to Florida State, we did see them play without Jordan Travis.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Drake May.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Drake May.
Speaker 9 (09:33):
He looks like he's gonna be one of these guys
about every four years that enters the league and as
an all timer size arm iq, I mean, Drake May.
He just doesn't miss. Even when he was missing in
the end zone, they were smart misses. Nobody else could
get him. Didn't have his left tackle, didn't have a
left guard, doesn't have a number one wide receiver, they
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don't run the ball particularly well, and he had thirty
points in the first half. It was a show off
flex game for New England. That's been really good all season,
but they don't get many standalone games. And you know,
one of the rules when somebody's going to be great,
they don't necessarily make it look easy, but they make
it look easier than it looks for ninety percent of
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the quarterbacks in the league. Listen, you get a franchise
quarterback every year. You get an all timer about every
four or five years. I think we found one.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
He is on pace to be the greatest.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
Quarterback on first down in the history of the game
for a single season. Number two's Aaron Rodgers. Number three
is Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I just think that the whole Drake May thing is this,
when you get the quarterback position right, you get everything right.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The defense obviously has been vastly improved with the eight
free agent starters that they that they've signed. But let's
not mistake ourself. The big change in New England is
the coaching staff is obviously better.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
More than anything. They found their quarterback of today and
of the next ten years. It's huge. He's he is
that guy. He is that guy.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Here's a former Steelers head coaching current CBS analyst Bill
Kauer talking with Dan Patrick about the fire. Tomlin chance
at Steelers game Sunday.
Speaker 10 (11:16):
They're very passionate fans, and you know, and I think
it's you know, listen where they are right now. They're
they're six and six. They've not played very good football
these last you know what, two and five in the
last seven games. So it's it's it's a scenario. But
the fact of the matter is, we know, with five
games to go, they still have a chance to win
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their division. They're not trending in the right way I thought,
I think on either side of the ball, and going
up against Baltimore Ravens, now they got them two more times.
They got still played the Detroit Lions, the Cleveland Browns,
and Elysion still got played the Miami Dolphins. So we'll
see what happens. I think, again, you know, the results
will speak for themselves. But I think from Mike's standpoint,
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I know one thing, He's not gonna let the outside
noise influence or how he's going to change his approach
to this next game. He knows it's a lot on stake.
They're not playing great football right now. He's got to
find a way to rally that group and get them
to believe that they still have a chance to win
this division.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Did you get fire chance when you were there in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 10 (12:18):
I although I got a fire chance, but I think
that I was you know, there were some people that
when you when you had a losing year and you
walk past them, people start to whisper before they say, hey, coach,
great to see him. When they start, when they start whispering, Dan,
you know, it's probably not a good thing. So when
you walk by and people are whispering, that's probably a
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good sign if things are not going that well.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that Tomlin has been
on that kind of like borderline like what are we
doing for a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I think what's different this year?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And obviously people chanting fire Tom and like, honestly, what
are we doing? But I do think that if they
don't finish strong, like they don't win ten games, Uh,
he probably loses his job just because he's been you know,
he's been out of above five hundred. I think he's
a damn good coach. But they went all in on
this year. And when Aaron Rodgers calls out the wide
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receivers for not showing up for meetings, that's that's a disrespect,
not just Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
But to the coach, right to the coach, you're running
way to loose a ship.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So I do think we're creeping up on the Yeah,
maybe it's it's gonna be time.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Maybe it's gonna be time. That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
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Speaker 3 (13:44):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
He Doug, Yes, sir. Urban Dictionary is fun. Urban Dictionary
informs people like me that might be a little too
old for certain new references. This is an old reference.
Tonsil tickler, according to Urban Dictionary, is an extremely long cock.
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Second definition a bloke that can't kiss and frequently rams
his tongue down your throat to no effect. Third definition,
shoving your penis so far into the throat it tickles
the tonsils of the person giving you fillatio. Keep all
this in mind, because I don't know if I'm the
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only one who had to look twice at this SoundBite.
As Andy Reid talks about the chances of the chiefs
making the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
We're gonna go after.
Speaker 11 (14:49):
You every game, and you know that's how we roll.
We're going to try to tickle your tonsils on every play,
every game. And but that's that's the attitude that we're
coming in with. And then that you let the chips
fall where they may.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
So I think it's one of two choices. I think
he's misusing the reference he assumes maybe no one no
one else knows, and maybe a third option, he thinks
that his players are going to shove their penises down
the throats of opponents for the next five weeks.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, I think what I think actually he knows what
it means, and what he's saying is we're going to
shove it right down your fucking throat, and you got
to stop us. He doesn't mean they're they're members. He
means they're going to shove the ball right down your throat.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So it's a unique way of saying it. Oh wow,
And yeah, yeah, I actually like it as well.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Tounsel tickler, this is.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
A this is like wheelhouse stuff for you. I think
this has been a subject of your annoyance for sure,
and you probably even included it, and you're annoying at
some point fake Twitter accounts, So the latest one is
an old timer. So yesterday Abdul Carter, it was reported
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that he was going to have to sit out the
first few series of his game against the Patriots, and
an account by the name of Wesley Steinberg sent out
the following. Wesley Steinberg says Abdul Carter will miss the
drive tonight first drive tonight for disciplinary reasons after getting
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caught watching porn in a team meeting when his headphones disconnected.
In other words, he went Jeffrey Tuban the underlying like,
I guess you would say, what do you call it?
When Twitter checks people, they add notes for context. The
post is from a pair party account known for us
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satirical NFL content. Abdul Carter was bent from missing a
team obligation, but that didn't stop people from reacting to it.
As of right now, it's been viewed not twenty four
million times, seventy seven thousand likes, five and a half
thousand quote tweets, four point six thousand reposts. I will
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give the benefit of the doubt to the people who
reposted this and liked it because they thought it was
a fun parody. But I will I will not forgive
the people that actually reacted to this in real time
as if it was real. I have to I have
to assume that all of that engagement that I just
listed were people that did not do their own homework.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
They didn't do their own research.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
In the new.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
World of Twitter, it is up to the consumer. It
is up to the person doing the twet or reading
Twitter to do your homework. If you read something that
doesn't quite smell past the smell test, then do your
own reconnaissance work. If you fell for this tweet, it
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is not the fault of Twitter, is not the fault
of Wesley Steinberg that if you read his timeline, he
has many funny things that he's tweeted about the giants.
I do not fault Twitter for this. I fault the
people that fell for.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I do think that Twitter doing away with the verified
check marks does hurt because you just kind of go
around and you sometimes you read tweet based on limber followers,
even if it is a parodycount But yeah, I agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
You gotta check you checked.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
This is a check mark. Wesley Steinberg is a check mark,
and he's got twenty six thousand followers.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But he wouldn't be a check mark if he went
back to the old old.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Days, correct, So the check mark is one thing, and
then twenty six thousand followers are probably Giants fans who
like his humor, So that's not a real way to
verify either. I would just if something doesn't pass the
smell test, and you are someone that was a former
boot checker who did fall for this, it's on you.
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So I want to get into a very interesting concept
that I think in sports especially it is prolific. I
was watching one of your games in the Caribbean and
one of your players had a chance to ice it late,
and I saw you turn your back. I think it's
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a pretty common thing. Coaches don't want to watch the
free throw a lot riding on this free throw. You
turned your back to the crowd, and you'll likely do
it again because he made the free throw, hence a superstition.
Last time I turned my back on one of my
players having to make a free throw to ice the game,
he made it, so I'm going to do it again.
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Pretty common thing, right. I was watching the Super Bowl
Shuffle documentary over the weekend. You need to see it.
It's great nostalgia. It's a great song. It takes you back.
It's got all the principals, including Mike Singletary. And something
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happened during the documentary that my super hot girlfriend Christina raised. Okay,
so this is what she's referring to. And I didn't
want to go back and find the actual comments from
the actual doc but it's in the tees. It starts
with Mike Singletary. This is the tease for the Super
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Bowl shovel.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
If we don't go to the super Bowl, we're going
to be the biggest idiots ever.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
That's the real fear.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
If it didn't work out and they lost, you're.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Taking a superstitious chance. We got a windws thing.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Man, you don't dream this stuff up.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
We brought a city together.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
That's what's crazy about it. This is a side note.
They did this Super Bowl shuffle in December. They had
not won the Super Bowl yet, so it was a
December ninth when it came out. Anyways, watch the documentary.
My main point is sports superstitions. On Sunday, matt Matthew
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Stafford had not thrown a pick in like a ridiculous
amount of games. It was like a record that that
Brady had tied him with, and the graphic on the
screen showed how many, how many passes it's been since
he's thrown a pick, and then the announcer read the
graphic and the commentator at the time says, that's a
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tough that's a tough spot to put these guys in.
Almost the next play, Stafford through an interception. Uh, and
it was you know, it was what do you call it?
A tip pass? But it was still an interception. And
then the following drive you through another interception. This is
after the graphic of him breaking a NFL record of
passes without an interception. Again, that announcer, the an analyst
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in the booth, and I have to go back and
look who it is. It may have been Drew Brees
was reacting to a jinx, was reacting to to putting
a person in a spot, a superstition. My girlfriend Christina,
while watching the documentary, is like, what this What does
that mean? Superstition?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Why why didn't why wouldn't they make it December or
Super Bowl shuffle? And I said, this is just how
this is how athletes think, coaches think, why would you
put the cart before the horse. It's a bad superstition.
Everything worked out, but it was a superstitious risk to take.
And then I'm thinking this, of all the people in
my soul circle in my life that I've had this
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conversation with, it comes down to two groups of people.
Women that I have lived with that have zero concept
of sports have often laughed at my superstitious nature when
it comes to sports, and then Iowa Sam. So women
in Iowa Sam. And the only conclusion I could make
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is that these are people that didn't grow up playing
competitive team sports. They can't relate to the superstition that
all of us feel who have while we're going through life. So, Doug,
you're the ultimate referee here.
Speaker 10 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Is there a direct ratio between collecting stamps and playing
Dungeons and Dragons growing up and not relating to sports
superstitions as an adult?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yes, yes there is.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, Okay, we'll start with the with the beginning part.
You are right, you caught me, I was I My
team is, they're good free throw shooters. We just part
of it was we've had a couple of the new
guys or a couple of the guys that aren't good
free throw shooters in key games that we've lost get fouled.
It's like if the if the guys that are starters
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get valued like we're good. They're all high seventies to
eighties for the most part. But I just, you know,
it's like one of those like I just couldn't look
and you know, I felt like I also feel like
if you having been a bad free throw shooter in
college yet a great free throw shooter before that, Like
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one of the things I don't want to do is like,
don't make suggestions to the guys right like you're not helping.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Not planting is you know.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Shoot at It's literal league parents do this all the time.
They say, they yelled to the pitcher, just throw a strike,
Like what do you think they're trying to do? And
the more you say throw a strike or try the
then they push the ball. They don't just throw it.
So yeah, one time I did turn my back, and
one time I was kind of crouched over and then
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just kind of closed my eyes or looked kind of
in a different direction and then judge based upon the reaction,
the audible reaction to it. On the other hand, though
I was superstitious when I played. I've tried to not
be superstitious and figure out it doesn't really have any
effect on it.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
But bingo, Doug, maybe I could explain my side of this.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Go ahead, I'm listening.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Oh, I'm just gonna say listen, listen. I did play
competitive sports growing up, but I found out that it
didn't matter if you wore your Lucky sweat band on
your right hand or your left hand.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
The result was going to be the result.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
It comes down to the preparation, the players, the guys,
the game plan. I think superstition. I'll let's just say this.
I'll quote Michael Scott. I'm not superstitious. I'm just a
little stitious. I do have some little ones I go with.
But I think it's just something that comfort the individual.
It has obviously no real outcome on the game. It
is a mental it is a mental comfort blanket. And
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so I just look at it like we're all just
individual people living in a world of seven billion people.
What we think internally has no outcome on what's happening
in some other part of the world, some game, what
have you a tragedy, you know, some kind of blessing.
It just if you're a logical person, superstition falls apart
in your mind immediately.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
Superstition by definition is not logical.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yes, so then so you just assumed I played dungeons
and dragons and collectives and dance because I don't believe
in superstition.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Just like religion and faith is the antithesis of logic.
Just because you can't see God doesn't mean you can't
believe in God. I would say this as much as
you coined to have played a competitive team sport, I'm
not believing that.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But if you're calling me a liar, then I played
football until ninth grade, I played baseball, I played soccer.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
It doesn't count.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Okay, well then it doesn't count. Okay. Maybe I just
don't believe in superstition.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
This is what you said last week because your your
explanation there was a much more tempered, uh much more
tempered version of what you said. You had made the
comment last week that people that believe in the sports
superstitions are like rubes, like uneducated Trump supporters.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I never said anything about the political side of that.
I know you're putting words in my mouth. I believe
that people that believe because because usually you do see
people who are less educated, they they believe in more
superstitious things. They think that like if a black cat
crosses them that they're they're hext or something, and that's
just not true. There's nothing wrong with black cats. They're
just that's how they're born. So yeah, people who do
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believe in a lot of superstitions are tent do tend
to be rubes. I just think of myself as someone
who played sports, did other things, didn't believe in superstition
because I knew it just really didn't have any impact
on the game.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
So you're the ultimate referee, Doug. Where do you come
out on this?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think, I mean, I'll be honest. With these superstitions
from people who are just fans, it goes to being
it's kind of weird to me, but I do understand it,
especially if you were an athlete growing up, you kind
of get it right. It's the don't ever, Hey, I'm
doing right now, I haven't shaped.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, you do that as a fun collective thing. You're like, yeah,
don't mess with the the the voodoo doll that's been
sitting on top of the locker, Like why, like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Know, you got to sit there because last time we played, well,
you sat there when you were watching on the couch, like,
come on, man.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
My friend and I did that during we were watching
the World Series and I was sitting in a different
seat and it became the strikeout seat. So I guess
I do believe in it a little bit.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
You didn't call him a rube.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
No, we're just having fun. It was just fun. I
never said anything about supporting Trump or not. I just
want to make that clear.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I here's how I look on this is this is
my honest approach to it. Do I think it has
any effect on sports?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But you know what, I don't want to be the
guy that does something and then you know, I go
to heaven and saying Peter's like, hey, by the way,
the superstition thing, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Right, yeah, while God's telling you that I'm real and
you couldn't see me and there was no detectable logic
about me, I'm real. So a superstition.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
And if you were the guy that went up to
talk to the picture throwing a no hitter and he
gave up a hit the next inning, you deserve to
be publicly shamed.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
But Isn't it just like a stupid way out of
blaming someone it's not real.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Yeah, we all know it's not real.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You know, we don't know. We're pretty sure it's not real.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
We know the pitch thing fail.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
We're pretty sure it's not real. Are we sure it's
not real? My answer is no. I'm not tempting that.
I'm one enough games to be like.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I'll get on board with that stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
But yeah, I had to defend myself a little bit
because I just don't think I did play sports.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I just don't think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Okay, give me one more, don't you have one more?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
No superstition or superstition deniers Wesley Steinberg's account. Don't blame
Wesley Steinberg and the tonsil tickler.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Tops Tickler's not annoying. The twitter thing is is probably
the most annoying.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So not people completely disregarding an obviously disingenuous tweet is annoying.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Why are we.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Doing this.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Because we can? All right?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
So here's the subject of Wesley Steinberg's viral tweet. Abdul
Carter missed the first series or two, and before you
know what, his team is down seventeen to nothing. And
this was his reaction when asked about it from Reporders,
Shit happens. What happened.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
I'm gonna get into detail, And I said, it happens.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Why at asking the same question I just answered, was
he justified? Well forget that. Yeah, I mean I let
my team down to the first two jobs I was out.
They score seventeen points.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
I take that.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I take responsibility for that.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
I gotta be out there.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I gotta do better.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Uh, it's really good. I love the answer.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I just do.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Obviously you're not giving anybody any sort of information, but
the s happens thing and they gotta get better.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's great. What great sound? That was really good. Why
I can play for you because we can't. That's it
for the end.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
I heart ride about that. You know what's interesting is
Sam can speak to this.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And and Dan can speak to this, Chasty, you really can't.
So it's it snowed this weekend, and it was snowing
outside yesterday and now it's it's just cold, but there
is snow on the ground. There is something to the
first snowfall anywhere you are. But the other thing that
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I found interesting is a couple of things. It's like,
my feeling about cold weather is the same about my
feeling about iced tea and feeling about black coffee. You
didn't know this Chase too that Adam Klug is my
longtime producer at ESPN and CBS.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He's now Yeah, so he has.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
This saying that that that plain iced tea exists in
this world for only one reason, to be sweetened. Right,
And he's from Georgia, He's from Alpharetta, classic Southern man's take,
because they only drink sweet tea. I drink Arnold Palmer's
same thing, right, plain iced tea, No thanks, put a
little lemonade in it, and it's the greatest drink ever.
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I think the same thing of black coffee. Black coffee
exists to be sweetened, and it's it's like the I
don't think black coffee on its own brings a ton
of value to this world. I don't think iced tea
on its own brings a ton of value to this world.
I don't think cold weather alone brings a ton of eale. Now,
you throw some snow on the ground, and I like
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cold weather. But there is this other part, and I
don't know if it's a real I think it's a
real thing, which is, when it gets really cold, it
doesn't snow. It's like too cold to snow. So there
is a moderate level of cold where snowing does exist,
and that's the level that everybody likes. And when it's
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just cold for no reason other than to be cold
and windy, that's the part you can't stand.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Same you agree.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I like that it's almost like the the snow is
the is the half and half in your coffee?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
How about that? Same colors? But I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's it's because I think that there's something about snow
on the ground. It actually makes everything quieter because it
like adds this blanket, which sound I don't know it does.
We're weird self a sound, but it is something about like, Okay,
there's snow on the ground.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
It's allowed to be cold. It's winter.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
But yeah, if it's there, you're right, there is a
thing between if it's too cold. I think it has
something to do with like the the amount of whatever
moisture in the air, and like it can't snow. That
is a thing. If it's like minus five, I think
it still can snow. But I think there is something
to what you're saying. But yes, I agree. If it's
just cold barren land where it's brown and it just freezing,
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it looks ugly and it feels ugly.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Totally agree.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I have a theory. I want to hear my black
coffee theory. Sure, I can't speak to snow. I've only
done snow recreationally, so I'm out of that conversation. But
my theory on black coffee is this, have either of
do either of you drink scotch, like regularly.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Not regularly for a treat.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
The theory is this, if you drink scotch, you also
drink your coffee black. I think it has something to
do with just kind of the old man's man, kind
of the Don Draper days Scotch in the office, black coffee,
the sweeteners, kind of the the female metro sexual version
of coffee. So I think that's kind of my theory.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
What if you enjoy bourbon, does it have to be Scotch?
Can it be any of the brown whiskey family.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I mean, Rubes and Trump supporters drink bourbon, so I
think they all like their t sweet.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
No.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
I think I think Scotch is just a more sophisticated
brown wiquor.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Anybody agrees without smoky, that's I think that's It's the
peat in it that I don't really care for.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
It's the smokiness. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I kind of like the taste of bourbon more. I
have switched over more to the clear stuff tequila and vodka.
I feel like it treats you a little better the
next day.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, I mean again, I was at at Keeper's Heart
where they have bourbon and whiskey, and yeah, the combined mash,
you know, it's really really, really good. So but I
I would agree with that that as the reference I'm
good with it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm good with it anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I just was that was just my weather report slash
and I'm looking out from my office at a snow
kind of a blanket of snow on the grass, and
I'm like, huh, I thought, Sam, you brought up a
great point.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It does make everything quieter.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It is like a kind of like an insulation layer
that quiets everything down, very very peaceful.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And the visual of it, and it looks much better.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Like that's what's the sucky thing about leaving the Midwest
in like February March. Yeah, it's brown, it's muddy, it's
just really and the trees are all empty, no leaves.
It's just very That's when you're like, okay, spring like,
let's see some leaves now, yep, yep. But the doug
the whole mid like from Missouri all the way up
to Wisconsin. A huge storm that passed what over this weekend,
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and I mean Iowa got a ton and it was
quite the storm.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, well it's gonna get cold this week so and
I've also gotten to the point where, like we play
a home game on Thursday and Thursday morning, I think
it's gonna be four degrees outside, which means wind.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
She'll probably take it to negative fifteen. Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like I, I've now reached the point where I'm real,
I want it to be as cold as possible when
other teams are in town, because you know why, just
doesn't feel good and not that our guys love it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But they're gonna get used to it quicker than the other.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Guys will ice the team.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Baby, there you go, Frozen Tundra.
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Speaker 3 (06:08):
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Speaker 2 (06:10):
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Speaker 3 (06:21):
Here's LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox who Bros.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Cuba Joe talking about the college Football Playoff Committee and
what they should factor into Lane Kiffin's departure in their
selections and seating.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
I just think the confusion of it all that that
Lane Kiffin what wanted to coach but was not given
the opportunity to coach anybody else, whether it's somebody who's
been there, somebody who hasn't been there, whatever it may be.
I think the confused state of what's going on with
ole Miss right now drives down the value of what
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they would be matchup wise in trying to create the
most you know, appealing brackets for college football playoffs. I
don't think there is appealing wise or anyone who may
return back to coach outside of Lane Kiff and being
a part of it.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You don't think there would be people that would want
to watch them to root them on, like, hey, this
team got ditched.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
You know, people that are going to have that feeling
towards them. But just I just I don't I don't
see that. I mean, people had that feeling for Florida
State if they can do it without their quarterbackayers.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Well to that point, like Jordan Travis wasn't there, you
know that's gonna have It's always a game of players,
and if there's not a player there, that's one thing.
I mean, not having a coach. I could see your point.
But if you've got the guy who's calling the plays there,
just not the figurehead of you know, head coach. Why
why do we have to penalize the players for that?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You're not penalizing the players. You need to stop with that.
Just stop with this.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's not a penalty, Okay, it's it's incredibly disingenuous. And
I don't think that's what Brady means by it, but
if I think most people mean it in the you're
not penalizing the player. Your job on the sledsh committee
is to evaluate who's actually better than somebody else. And
anyone with a fucking brain will tell you Ole Miss
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is not as good without lang Kiffen.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They're just not.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
He's an unbelievable offensive coordinator, play caller, great, great relationship
with quarterbacks as well. Okay, now with that, you may
get a temporary bump where the team becomes more united
again in perception, becomes more united with not just that
he left, but how he left. But the reality is
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they're not as good as they were when they had
Lane Kiffin as their head coach. And your job in
the committee is not to You're not punishing the players.
You haven't punished Florida State. You just said, hey, dude,
you're not as good without your quarterback. Your backup quarterback
then as good as your starter, and we've evaluated that
you didn't belong in the playoff at the time. So
for Old Miss you have to take them down a
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seed or two because they're not as good.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Do you cut them out of the playoff?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Probably not, But if they were the last team in,
then yes they would be out.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's not a punishment, that's an.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Evaluation of how good they are. And it's impossible because
you don't know. You haven't seen him play as oppose
to Florida State, we did see them play without Jordan Travis.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Drake May.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Drake May.
Speaker 9 (09:33):
He looks like he's gonna be one of these guys
about every four years that enters the league and as
an all timer size arm iq, I mean, Drake May.
He just doesn't miss. Even when he was missing in
the end zone, they were smart misses. Nobody else could
get him. Didn't have his left tackle, didn't have a
left guard, doesn't have a number one wide receiver, they
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don't run the ball particularly well, and he had thirty
points in the first half. It was a show off
flex game for New England. That's been really good all season,
but they don't get many standalone games. And you know,
one of the rules when somebody's going to be great,
they don't necessarily make it look easy, but they make
it look easier than it looks for ninety percent of
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the quarterbacks in the league. Listen, you get a franchise
quarterback every year. You get an all timer about every
four or five years. I think we found one.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
He is on pace to be the greatest.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
Quarterback on first down in the history of the game
for a single season. Number two's Aaron Rodgers. Number three
is Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I just think that the whole Drake May thing is this,
when you get the quarterback position right, you get everything right.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The defense obviously has been vastly improved with the eight
free agent starters that they that they've signed. But let's
not mistake ourself. The big change in New England is
the coaching staff is obviously better.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
More than anything. They found their quarterback of today and
of the next ten years. It's huge. He's he is
that guy. He is that guy.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Here's a former Steelers head coaching current CBS analyst Bill
Kauer talking with Dan Patrick about the fire. Tomlin chance
at Steelers game Sunday.
Speaker 10 (11:16):
They're very passionate fans, and you know, and I think
it's you know, listen where they are right now. They're
they're six and six. They've not played very good football
these last you know what, two and five in the
last seven games. So it's it's it's a scenario. But
the fact of the matter is, we know, with five
games to go, they still have a chance to win
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their division. They're not trending in the right way I thought,
I think on either side of the ball, and going
up against Baltimore Ravens, now they got them two more times.
They got still played the Detroit Lions, the Cleveland Browns,
and Elysion still got played the Miami Dolphins. So we'll
see what happens. I think, again, you know, the results
will speak for themselves. But I think from Mike's standpoint,
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I know one thing, He's not gonna let the outside
noise influence or how he's going to change his approach
to this next game. He knows it's a lot on stake.
They're not playing great football right now. He's got to
find a way to rally that group and get them
to believe that they still have a chance to win
this division.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Did you get fire chance when you were there in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 10 (12:18):
I although I got a fire chance, but I think
that I was you know, there were some people that
when you when you had a losing year and you
walk past them, people start to whisper before they say, hey, coach,
great to see him. When they start, when they start whispering, Dan,
you know, it's probably not a good thing. So when
you walk by and people are whispering, that's probably a
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good sign if things are not going that well.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that Tomlin has been
on that kind of like borderline like what are we
doing for a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I think what's different this year?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And obviously people chanting fire Tom and like, honestly, what
are we doing? But I do think that if they
don't finish strong, like they don't win ten games, Uh,
he probably loses his job just because he's been you know,
he's been out of above five hundred. I think he's
a damn good coach. But they went all in on
this year. And when Aaron Rodgers calls out the wide
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receivers for not showing up for meetings, that's that's a disrespect,
not just Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
But to the coach, right to the coach, you're running
way to loose a ship.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So I do think we're creeping up on the Yeah,
maybe it's it's gonna be time.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Maybe it's gonna be time. That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
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Speaker 3 (13:44):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
He Doug, Yes, sir. Urban Dictionary is fun. Urban Dictionary
informs people like me that might be a little too
old for certain new references. This is an old reference.
Tonsil tickler, according to Urban Dictionary, is an extremely long cock.
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Second definition a bloke that can't kiss and frequently rams
his tongue down your throat to no effect. Third definition,
shoving your penis so far into the throat it tickles
the tonsils of the person giving you fillatio. Keep all
this in mind, because I don't know if I'm the
(14:38):
only one who had to look twice at this SoundBite.
As Andy Reid talks about the chances of the chiefs
making the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
We're gonna go after.
Speaker 11 (14:49):
You every game, and you know that's how we roll.
We're going to try to tickle your tonsils on every play,
every game. And but that's that's the attitude that we're
coming in with. And then that you let the chips
fall where they may.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
So I think it's one of two choices. I think
he's misusing the reference he assumes maybe no one no
one else knows, and maybe a third option, he thinks
that his players are going to shove their penises down
the throats of opponents for the next five weeks.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, I think what I think actually he knows what
it means, and what he's saying is we're going to
shove it right down your fucking throat, and you got
to stop us. He doesn't mean they're they're members. He
means they're going to shove the ball right down your throat.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So it's a unique way of saying it. Oh wow,
And yeah, yeah, I actually like it as well.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Tounsel tickler, this is.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
A this is like wheelhouse stuff for you. I think
this has been a subject of your annoyance for sure,
and you probably even included it, and you're annoying at
some point fake Twitter accounts, So the latest one is
an old timer. So yesterday Abdul Carter, it was reported
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that he was going to have to sit out the
first few series of his game against the Patriots, and
an account by the name of Wesley Steinberg sent out
the following. Wesley Steinberg says Abdul Carter will miss the
drive tonight first drive tonight for disciplinary reasons after getting
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caught watching porn in a team meeting when his headphones disconnected.
In other words, he went Jeffrey Tuban the underlying like,
I guess you would say, what do you call it?
When Twitter checks people, they add notes for context. The
post is from a pair party account known for us
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satirical NFL content. Abdul Carter was bent from missing a
team obligation, but that didn't stop people from reacting to it.
As of right now, it's been viewed not twenty four
million times, seventy seven thousand likes, five and a half
thousand quote tweets, four point six thousand reposts. I will
(17:26):
give the benefit of the doubt to the people who
reposted this and liked it because they thought it was
a fun parody. But I will I will not forgive
the people that actually reacted to this in real time
as if it was real. I have to I have
to assume that all of that engagement that I just
listed were people that did not do their own homework.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
They didn't do their own research.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
In the new.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
World of Twitter, it is up to the consumer. It
is up to the person doing the twet or reading
Twitter to do your homework. If you read something that
doesn't quite smell past the smell test, then do your
own reconnaissance work. If you fell for this tweet, it
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is not the fault of Twitter, is not the fault
of Wesley Steinberg that if you read his timeline, he
has many funny things that he's tweeted about the giants.
I do not fault Twitter for this. I fault the
people that fell for.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I do think that Twitter doing away with the verified
check marks does hurt because you just kind of go
around and you sometimes you read tweet based on limber followers,
even if it is a parodycount But yeah, I agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
You gotta check you checked.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
This is a check mark. Wesley Steinberg is a check mark,
and he's got twenty six thousand followers.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But he wouldn't be a check mark if he went
back to the old old.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Days, correct, So the check mark is one thing, and
then twenty six thousand followers are probably Giants fans who
like his humor, So that's not a real way to
verify either. I would just if something doesn't pass the
smell test, and you are someone that was a former
boot checker who did fall for this, it's on you.
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So I want to get into a very interesting concept
that I think in sports especially it is prolific. I
was watching one of your games in the Caribbean and
one of your players had a chance to ice it late,
and I saw you turn your back. I think it's
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a pretty common thing. Coaches don't want to watch the
free throw a lot riding on this free throw. You
turned your back to the crowd, and you'll likely do
it again because he made the free throw, hence a superstition.
Last time I turned my back on one of my
players having to make a free throw to ice the game,
he made it, so I'm going to do it again.
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Pretty common thing, right. I was watching the Super Bowl
Shuffle documentary over the weekend. You need to see it.
It's great nostalgia. It's a great song. It takes you back.
It's got all the principals, including Mike Singletary. And something
(20:24):
happened during the documentary that my super hot girlfriend Christina raised. Okay,
so this is what she's referring to. And I didn't
want to go back and find the actual comments from
the actual doc but it's in the tees. It starts
with Mike Singletary. This is the tease for the Super
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Bowl shovel.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
If we don't go to the super Bowl, we're going
to be the biggest idiots ever.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
That's the real fear.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
If it didn't work out and they lost, you're.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Taking a superstitious chance. We got a windws thing.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Man, you don't dream this stuff up.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
We brought a city together.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
That's what's crazy about it. This is a side note.
They did this Super Bowl shuffle in December. They had
not won the Super Bowl yet, so it was a
December ninth when it came out. Anyways, watch the documentary.
My main point is sports superstitions. On Sunday, matt Matthew
(21:30):
Stafford had not thrown a pick in like a ridiculous
amount of games. It was like a record that that
Brady had tied him with, and the graphic on the
screen showed how many, how many passes it's been since
he's thrown a pick, and then the announcer read the
graphic and the commentator at the time says, that's a
(21:54):
tough that's a tough spot to put these guys in.
Almost the next play, Stafford through an interception. Uh, and
it was you know, it was what do you call it?
A tip pass? But it was still an interception. And
then the following drive you through another interception. This is
after the graphic of him breaking a NFL record of
passes without an interception. Again, that announcer, the an analyst
(22:19):
in the booth, and I have to go back and
look who it is. It may have been Drew Brees
was reacting to a jinx, was reacting to to putting
a person in a spot, a superstition. My girlfriend Christina,
while watching the documentary, is like, what this What does
that mean? Superstition?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Why why didn't why wouldn't they make it December or
Super Bowl shuffle? And I said, this is just how
this is how athletes think, coaches think, why would you
put the cart before the horse. It's a bad superstition.
Everything worked out, but it was a superstitious risk to take.
And then I'm thinking this, of all the people in
my soul circle in my life that I've had this
(23:02):
conversation with, it comes down to two groups of people.
Women that I have lived with that have zero concept
of sports have often laughed at my superstitious nature when
it comes to sports, and then Iowa Sam. So women
in Iowa Sam. And the only conclusion I could make
(23:26):
is that these are people that didn't grow up playing
competitive team sports. They can't relate to the superstition that
all of us feel who have while we're going through life. So, Doug,
you're the ultimate referee here.
Speaker 10 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Is there a direct ratio between collecting stamps and playing
Dungeons and Dragons growing up and not relating to sports
superstitions as an adult?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yes, yes there is.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, Okay, we'll start with the with the beginning part.
You are right, you caught me, I was I My
team is, they're good free throw shooters. We just part
of it was we've had a couple of the new
guys or a couple of the guys that aren't good
free throw shooters in key games that we've lost get fouled.
It's like if the if the guys that are starters
(24:19):
get valued like we're good. They're all high seventies to
eighties for the most part. But I just, you know,
it's like one of those like I just couldn't look
and you know, I felt like I also feel like
if you having been a bad free throw shooter in
college yet a great free throw shooter before that, Like
(24:40):
one of the things I don't want to do is like,
don't make suggestions to the guys right like you're not helping.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Not planting is you know.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Shoot at It's literal league parents do this all the time.
They say, they yelled to the pitcher, just throw a strike,
Like what do you think they're trying to do? And
the more you say throw a strike or try the
then they push the ball. They don't just throw it.
So yeah, one time I did turn my back, and
one time I was kind of crouched over and then
(25:09):
just kind of closed my eyes or looked kind of
in a different direction and then judge based upon the reaction,
the audible reaction to it. On the other hand, though
I was superstitious when I played. I've tried to not
be superstitious and figure out it doesn't really have any
effect on it.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
But bingo, Doug, maybe I could explain my side of this.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Go ahead, I'm listening.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Oh, I'm just gonna say listen, listen. I did play
competitive sports growing up, but I found out that it
didn't matter if you wore your Lucky sweat band on
your right hand or your left hand.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
The result was going to be the result.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
It comes down to the preparation, the players, the guys,
the game plan. I think superstition. I'll let's just say this.
I'll quote Michael Scott. I'm not superstitious. I'm just a
little stitious. I do have some little ones I go with.
But I think it's just something that comfort the individual.
It has obviously no real outcome on the game. It
is a mental it is a mental comfort blanket. And
(26:08):
so I just look at it like we're all just
individual people living in a world of seven billion people.
What we think internally has no outcome on what's happening
in some other part of the world, some game, what
have you a tragedy, you know, some kind of blessing.
It just if you're a logical person, superstition falls apart
in your mind immediately.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
Superstition by definition is not logical.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yes, so then so you just assumed I played dungeons
and dragons and collectives and dance because I don't believe
in superstition.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Just like religion and faith is the antithesis of logic.
Just because you can't see God doesn't mean you can't
believe in God. I would say this as much as
you coined to have played a competitive team sport, I'm
not believing that.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But if you're calling me a liar, then I played
football until ninth grade, I played baseball, I played soccer.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
It doesn't count.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Okay, well then it doesn't count. Okay. Maybe I just
don't believe in superstition.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
This is what you said last week because your your
explanation there was a much more tempered, uh much more
tempered version of what you said. You had made the
comment last week that people that believe in the sports
superstitions are like rubes, like uneducated Trump supporters.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I never said anything about the political side of that.
I know you're putting words in my mouth. I believe
that people that believe because because usually you do see
people who are less educated, they they believe in more
superstitious things. They think that like if a black cat
crosses them that they're they're hext or something, and that's
just not true. There's nothing wrong with black cats. They're
just that's how they're born. So yeah, people who do
(27:43):
believe in a lot of superstitions are tent do tend
to be rubes. I just think of myself as someone
who played sports, did other things, didn't believe in superstition
because I knew it just really didn't have any impact
on the game.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
So you're the ultimate referee, Doug. Where do you come
out on this?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think, I mean, I'll be honest. With these superstitions
from people who are just fans, it goes to being
it's kind of weird to me, but I do understand it,
especially if you were an athlete growing up, you kind
of get it right. It's the don't ever, Hey, I'm
doing right now, I haven't shaped.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, you do that as a fun collective thing. You're like, yeah,
don't mess with the the the voodoo doll that's been
sitting on top of the locker, Like why, like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Know, you got to sit there because last time we played, well,
you sat there when you were watching on the couch, like,
come on, man.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
My friend and I did that during we were watching
the World Series and I was sitting in a different
seat and it became the strikeout seat. So I guess
I do believe in it a little bit.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
You didn't call him a rube.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
No, we're just having fun. It was just fun. I
never said anything about supporting Trump or not. I just
want to make that clear.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I here's how I look on this is this is
my honest approach to it. Do I think it has
any effect on sports?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But you know what, I don't want to be the
guy that does something and then you know, I go
to heaven and saying Peter's like, hey, by the way,
the superstition thing, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Right, yeah, while God's telling you that I'm real and
you couldn't see me and there was no detectable logic
about me, I'm real. So a superstition.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
And if you were the guy that went up to
talk to the picture throwing a no hitter and he
gave up a hit the next inning, you deserve to
be publicly shamed.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
But Isn't it just like a stupid way out of
blaming someone it's not real.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Yeah, we all know it's not real.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You know, we don't know. We're pretty sure it's not real.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
We know the pitch thing fail.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
We're pretty sure it's not real. Are we sure it's
not real? My answer is no. I'm not tempting that.
I'm one enough games to be like.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I'll get on board with that stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
But yeah, I had to defend myself a little bit
because I just don't think I did play sports.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I just don't think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Okay, give me one more, don't you have one more?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
No superstition or superstition deniers Wesley Steinberg's account. Don't blame
Wesley Steinberg and the tonsil tickler.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Tops Tickler's not annoying. The twitter thing is is probably
the most annoying.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So not people completely disregarding an obviously disingenuous tweet is annoying.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Why are we.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Doing this.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Because we can? All right?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
So here's the subject of Wesley Steinberg's viral tweet. Abdul
Carter missed the first series or two, and before you
know what, his team is down seventeen to nothing. And
this was his reaction when asked about it from Reporders,
Shit happens. What happened.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
I'm gonna get into detail, And I said, it happens.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Why at asking the same question I just answered, was
he justified? Well forget that. Yeah, I mean I let
my team down to the first two jobs I was out.
They score seventeen points.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
I take that.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I take responsibility for that.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
I gotta be out there.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I gotta do better.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Uh, it's really good. I love the answer.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I just do.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Obviously you're not giving anybody any sort of information, but
the s happens thing and they gotta get better.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's great. What great sound? That was really good. Why
I can play for you because we can't. That's it
for the end.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
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