December 3, 2025 • 37 mins
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew share their final thoughts on the college football regular season. Doug welcomes college football analyst Josh Pate onto the show to talk about the college football playoff rankings and the Lane Kiffin situation. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Two degrees, that's awesome. And I love the fact that
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Dome men in times, watched the Galagos, including last year
when Sam ordered at least three hot dogs and the
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Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, I got there during the first half. I think
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minutes of the of the half, but I did have
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You and marchronizing the place, big.
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Speaker 5 (03:05):
It's time for the midway.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hi, Jay Stu, what's the topic.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You take it from here.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The uh, it looks like the consensus on the group
text was this, we're gonna uh, we're gonna recap post
mortem the regular season of college football. Now the jumping
off point, I'd like to do kind of a flashback.
The Wednesday, midway before the start of the regular season,
we did our one storyline we are most intrigued by
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going into the season. I'm gonna give you those four
and you guys could choose in this in the next
ten minutes to talk about those things that maybe you
had brought to the table, or you could just choose
another thing. I just want to know you're you're kind
of like a big takeaway storyline from the season that
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you enjoyed following the most or were most surprised by.
So here it was our four stories coming into the
season that we were most intrigued by. Was will Dion
Sanders after losing his son lose interest in and it
won't have a good season? That turned out that way?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Uh? Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Who was that? Who was that? By the way?
Speaker 6 (04:23):
That was that was mine?
Speaker 7 (04:24):
That was mine?
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Bill Belichick? What kind of the season is he going
to have? That didn't turn out too well?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Arch Manning. I forgot who brought that to the table,
Arch Manning, is he going to live up to the
hype that didn't work out too well? And then Caitlin
de boor, is he going to be the next Mike
Shula or the next next Saban?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think that was yours, Dougie. I think you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I feel like Kalyn Devor was your guy. I don't
remember what mine was.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Everybody wanted him fired after week one. Then he was
the guy. Then he was the guy. Now there are
people that think that if he loses Saturday, they'll go
take the Penn stage job.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
The North Carolina story was so much of a train
wreck that it wasn't even a like a nice train wreck,
Like it was just such a mess, right.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Just wasn't aware of a nice train wreck ever before.
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I know what you mean, like fugitive train wreck, like
where like the cars were just scattered all over what he's.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Saying, like it wasn't it wasn't even fun. It got
it got to the punt where like this is not
even fun.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Yeah, just ridiculous. He thought that there would be something
of standards of commitment, and it was just a circus
all season long.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I would, I would I agree with you, Dan,
I would also say that we really don't know the
level of dysfunction. I think, me just being honest, I
think what was reported by what's his name does all
the investigative journalism based for the entire industry was what
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was reported by Pablo was so damaging that everything became
every game everything became about that, right, And and basically
Pablo is like, he might not even make it to
the season. It's such a disaster. And he was right,
it was a disaster. I don't know if he's writ
in terms of what was actually going on behind the scenes.
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Again he hasn't missed yet. But again, this was this
was just this was without receipts. We don't know. And
I can also tell you that yet and you're holding
a guide to the standard that we're used to with
him as an NFL coach is sort of ridiculous when
you're a college coach. And I did say, when you
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got seventy new players, you're not going to win. You're
just not, especially when you never coached college football before.
Just it's so hard now year two, year three, there
has to be has to be improvement, and I would
guess there will be, but I I agree with you, Dan,
it was not even fun. I did see a lot
of myself in what was going on there where the
reality is they just didn't have good at players.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Yeah, well you didn't have Jordan Hudson interfering in everything.
And there's another there's another aspect of this because we
look at Belichick, and we look at Belichick's assistant and
look at what Matt Patricia did at Ohio State. So
Matt Patricia failed as an NFL head coach and then
failed in his return to New England in coaching the
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offense and coaching the quarterbacks, and Bill Belichick failed at
North Carolina. And while Ohio State does have great talent,
they did have to replace a lot of talent on defense,
and they became even better on defense with Matt Patricia
leading it, which maybe isn't a surprise when we say, well,
of course he learned from Bill Belichick, but that also
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then tells you how dysfunctional things have gotten around Belichick
that he can't even rely on his defense or the
stuff that he knows. I get worked for Matt Patricia
and it was a complete mess in Chapel Hill fair
fair point.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Did we think though, in terms of wins and losses,
that it would be kind of around five and seven,
four and eight.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
They finished four.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I don't think we knew. I don't think we had
any idea, right, I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Didn't think they'd go bold. I really didn't know much
about the personnel. I just felt like it would just
be a season though. Where there I.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
Think any of the start we knew about North Carolina football.
I think we're fooling ourselves. And I think that we
thought that, well, maybe Belichick fresh start. Heck, he knows
more about football than anybody. He'll be able to win
them the five six or seven games. And I don't
even think it got to the point of that where
it didn't matter if he could be a mastermind and school.
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Some of these college head coaches.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Ended on a free game losing streak, including a bad
loss at NC State.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, but they also they had probably two games they
should have won. Was the Cow game, I think, which
was one.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, they lost by three to Cal too.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That they should have won their late as well. And
I think that the one topic we missed on that
we didn't know is I mean, I thought that Jim O.
Fisher would be the total outlier where guys get bought
out with these ridiculous sums of money. I didn't realize
it would be the norm. And this was the year
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where half the SEC was fired and half of the
coaches that were fired were fired before the midway point
in the season. Complete change. This is not what college
football has ever looked like before. And just so people understand,
the next thing that's coming is players are going to
get fired early in the season. You want to make
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the employees they're fireable, they'll get fired.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
How many guess how many coaches got new extensions because
of what happened at Penn State, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That also happens anytime the Kentucky job gets up in basketball.
Everybody says they're a candidate for the job, they get it.
I don't think it was just Penn State though, Dan
to be you know, right, like all these jobs being open,
everybody got an extension. But yeah, Penn State obviously got
Matt Rule an extension. And then the second said, like, ed,
do we really want Matt Rule? Like I don't know,
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I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And Penn State's been a story all year from what
being a top three team yep, and then getting to
the Oregon game, losing in overtime, and then the Law
and then James and now they finished six and six,
They're going to a bowl with the interim coach. It's
just been like if you woke up from a long
slumber or a coma and you looked at Penn State
starting as a top three team to finishing six and
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six with an interim coach, You'd be like, what did
I miss?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
What's amazing about it is I think Dan, you, me
and Sam could probably just vamp on really good games
this year. Georgia Tennessee was amazing. Early in the year,
Alabama Georgia was incredible. Alabama Auburn was really good. This
past weekend Oregon Indiana was a very good football game.
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Texas Ohio State not that great. Texas comeback against Mississippi
State was incredible. A and M. Notre Dame A and
M Texas all great games.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Notre Dame Miami is a good game too.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Notre Dame Miami was a good game, especially the year right.
But I and Dan, this maybe is more for you
because you have more historical knowledge of it. I feel like,
because of the college football Playoff, what's the real memorable
game for the year, Like, I don't know where he
is the one, because none of them seem that big,
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because though they matter, don't totally matter as much as
they used to matter. And so you don't freak out
after a game you're like, well that team season is over,
because it's almost like it's kind of never over until
it's over.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
I'll tell you the game, and it didn't come down
to the wire, but it's I think that the coaching
carousel is the number one story of this past season.
I agree, I think, and I think that's a negative story.
I think the positive story. I'm going to say this,
I think if we're looking at positives, Indiana saved college football.
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Indiana Indiana when you look at these show and they
may be there for the next eight years, but right
now they are still new to the party after being
in the playoff last year, even better this year to
see the growth of the team and the program and
for them to be the look at the brands. I mean,
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even like Texas Tech is still new to the party.
But there's just something about Indiana being twelve and zero
where I actually think Saturday's game is more important to
Indiana than outside of a national championship. A winning team
like to be able to show like we are now
the king of the Big Ten Conference. If they were
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to beat Ohio State, I think it means way more
to Indiana than it does Ohio State this Saturday. But
I think that Indiana has been that beacon in college
football when there's just been a lot of negativity with
the coaching firings. It's the same old, same old. It's
the sec plug in this team here, this team there
probably could have been old Miss if link Giffin didn't leave,
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but he's part of that coaching carousel conversation. So I
think that Indiana has been this this beacon. Vanderbilt as
well in Diego Pavia and his mom, I think you've
been positive for college.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Football, but they're a negative.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
But Indiana, to me, he's been the beacon.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I'll tell you this is a more of a minor story.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
But so.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean Clemson being just average, Clemson, Florida State, and
Virginia Tech. Right where Virginia Tech fires their coach. Florida
State came close, but they're like, yeah, we'll give them
another year and Clemson. It's just too expensive to fire
Dabos Sweeney. It's crazy. Those are hit three historically significant,
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big time college faball programs who are all at best
mediocre at best, and when you consider how the season
started for Floor's date, that's a stunner.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
There were also people who said that Clemson had the
best talent in all of college football to start the year.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
They're seven and five, right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Seven five? At least they're not six and seven six
seven seven. Sorry, I just want to believe you, guys.
I just Jason Stewart wants to murder me right now.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I was random side.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Out and some people have browns for murder with that.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I was watching Iowa Michigan State last night. It was
Paul Burmeister and Nick ba on the broadcast, and one
point one of them did say six to seven, and
neither of them reacted to it, and I was like,
thank you, guys, thank you for moving past this.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
They could have, they didn't. Hats off to them.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I don't know if there's any positive in this. So
as a casual football fan, I just looked up the
odds for the Heisman and I I mean I I
vaguely know these names from the season.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I can't. I can't tell you who who's going to Heisman.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I honestly am uh you would think that if if
I'm aware of just by consuming, you know, superficial knowledge
of college football and watching highlights, I would remember like
a standout play that was like a signature moment from
a player among this list.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I mean, you guys are familiar.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
With Julian saying, uh, Diego Pavia, Fernando Mendoza. I there's
no like signature, like uh, what's his face? From Michigan
in the nineties, had that one signature play? You'll never
forget it. I just don't. I don't see any of that.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
In this what's his face? You mean Desmond Howard.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Or Charles Woodson for that matter.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Was it Desmon Howard striking the heisman post?
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It was, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. The Heisman has become
whatever it really has, And I again, I think so
much of it is because of the playoff with all
what about that play? What about the play Mendoza made
when they beat was a Penn State Are you like,
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does it matter that much? Whereas when you do it
for a national championship, like, oh, do you remember that play?
So what's gonna happen. They're gonna move the They're gonna
move the voting for the ward after the playoff, and
nothing that happens in the regular season is gonna.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Matter at all. Honestly, Penn State Oregon may have been
game of the Year of the year, yeah, fir, but
then it falls apart. I think that the Heisman has
decided Saturday in the Big Ten title game.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I think that if between those two, yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I think if if Mendoza shines, then it's his for Indiana,
and if Ohio State roles with saying doing his, I
think it's gonna be Sayans.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
And one of those guys the top overall pick is
also the rumor.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Well saying can't go to the pros yet, so he'll
be back next year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So I don't think Mendoz is that guy, but I
could be wrong. The interesting about Mendoza is Mendoza was
the guy at Cal last year when they beat Stanford
who was getting all emotional talking about his brothers at
Cal and at the brotherhood whatever. Like he was like, man,
this has means so much the brotherhood here, Like, hey,
you want to come to Indiana play for NASA championship. Yeah,
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I'm good. Yeah, sure, yeah, brothers can be a different locations, right.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I'd like to throw out one more topic here more
so uh after the fact here Oklahoma from where they
went last year, this year, what they I think eight
and five they finished seventy five with brand ventables and
now ten and two, and they did it with defense,
they did it with Mateer's magic. A lot of those
wins were ugly, but.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Matier wasn't Matier after he got it right, was just
not what it was?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Just whatever, right, But they may just they've churned out
wins and and they're they're They're back, They're back.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
That's probably the biggest what if for them. If he
doesn't break his hand then because he was not good
against Texas and rushing back for that.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Game, No, nope, nope, And that is the Midway, the Midway.
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Speaker 1 (18:18):
Optimist Optimist Climb. That's a great name, Optimist Climb.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Your nickname recall is great.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
By the way, nicknames work for me, right, I feel like,
I'm gonna be like George George W. Bush. You know,
I just give everybody nicknames that don't actually make sense.
Do you guys remember that? He's like, hey, shorty, shorty, skinny, chubby.
He just start to name it because he can't remember
his dude's names. I do remember Josh Page's name. That's
because he's synonymous with college football. He's kind of to
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spend some time with us, as he has periodically throughout
the year. You see him everywhere on three, ESPN, Yahoo Sports. Course,
Colherd heard him on my show. He's like, I gotta
have that guy on because he's a studt Josh Pai
Joy just here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. You are
known for paid state Penn State still looking for a coach, Like,
what the hell is going on that nobody wants to
go to state college and make ten million dollars.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
A year, dude, I don't even know. It's it's bad.
I didn't want them to. I mean I didn't support
them Fire and Franklin to begin with. But whatever, I mean,
guys have lost their jobs before that. I thought should
get one more year. But man, like I don't have
to know. I can look out the window as an
outsider and see fog. But if you're an athletic director,
you can correct me if I'm wrong. Here you live
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in this world. If you're an athletic director and you're
gonna make the move on a coach that has averaged
basically a playoff caliber season over the past three or
four years, don't you at least have to have a
pretty good working set of knowledge about who you can acquire,
which was void up there. Just we're gonna fire and
then well we'll let the plane take off, then we'll
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figure out how to fix the landing gear mid flight
was basically the.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Planet Penn state.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's a great way. That is a great analogy, unbelievable analogy,
I would agree. Like again, it's it's one of those
you know what the the you know what it does
is it completely dismantles and disarms the argument of hey,
we got to fire a guy early in the season
so we get ahead on the hiring cycle. It's actually
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been backfired for them because you know, because once they
fired him, okay, Nebraska's like, well, we know you're coming
after our guy. We're going to re up him before
there's ever a chance, you know, to get him on campus.
That's really what happened.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
I'm gonna tell you the other thing. I think ls
you missed the boat here as well. I think LSU
and Penn State. Now LSU got their coach, so it's
all well and good for them. But we went through
this whole multi week ordeal about if Kiffin takes the job,
will he be able to coach in the playoffs? And
then you got Birje Assbury in the administration at LSU saying, hey,
we would have been fine with him coaching the playoffs.
Well how about this, then, why didn't you just hang
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on to Brian Kelly through January? He could be none
the wiser. You could back channel this thing, keep it
ultra quiet. Is it the most ethical move in the world. No,
But I mean, look at the landscape right now. It's
void of any logic, much less ethics. So I look
at Penn State the same way. If you've got a
tight circle and you got folks you can trust, just
backchannel the thing. It's purely theatrics to pretend like you
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have to have fired your head coach publicly before you're
allowed to begin a coaching search. There's no law that
says that. There's not even a bylaw that says that.
But you've got real Look, I want to be respectful because,
like I know these guys, but just some gross incompetence
at the wheel right now at multiple big time programs.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I don't think there's there's any question.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
What's interesting was I talked to a couple ads and
they're like, you know, the guy who should get the
sec job versus John Summraw and he's kind of got
drugged through a drug over the coles when I don't know,
it feels like Florida actually made a good hire, but
because they didn't get Kiffin, it seems like a negative.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Yeah, here's basically what that equates to. I mean, the
best defense of not liking Sumrall that I have heard
from Florida fans boils down to will we already tried
a G five coach from the state of Louisiana, you know,
which is a ken in the real world, to saying
I want dated a girl from Charlotte, North Carolina. It
did not work out. I could never date another girl
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from Charlotte, North Carolina. Like the entire pool of potential
bachelorettes there in the greater Charlotte area. They're permanently poisoned,
the wellest poisoned because one example didn't work out. Of course,
there's no logic. It's void of any logic. I've said
that three times already in the short period that we've
been talking here. But John Somerral's great, Like if you
get down to football, just get down the real brass
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tax football type stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
He's great.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
He's Look, if you don't believe me, I don't care.
I mean my opinions. Whatever it is. You said it, though,
go talk to people around the league. Go talk to
people just around the South in general. Talk to NFL scouts.
They universally knew it was a matter of when, not if,
he got one of those big time jobs. I will
tell you this, Doug. He wanted that auburne and Auburn
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fumbled it fantastically, and I was ready to just rip Auburn,
but I kept my mouth shut because sometimes athletic and
administration's trip backwards across the finish line and ended up
landing softly. And they did. They got Alex Golish, and
he's a really good coach too. But John wanted that
Auburn job Florida. For all the people been moaning this
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higher down, there may in three years be looking at
it saying that could have been the most fortuitous turn
of events over that seventy two or ninete sent hour
period that we ever could have voted for.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Josh Payton joining us synonymous college college football. It's Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Josh Paid, of
course has the Josh Paid College Football Show, which you
should watch, listen to download at your leisure, or check
him out on YouTube as well. We were just having
a discussion about the year that has been college football,
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and my point was, I can pick apart all the games,
you know, like Dan Byer and I we watched all
these games. Sam's a Iowa guy, so he watched all
the Iowa games, and we go, this was a great game.
That was a great game, you know, and maybe Ohio
State Indiana is an epic one. Has it changed for
you as somebody who grew up around this and now
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talks about it for a living, the the energy towards
a game, because who wins and who loses doesn't have
as great an effect on the outcome of the national
championship because the biggest games, for the most part, both
those teams are going anyway, right, Yeah, So I guess
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that's the question is of the games this year, are
any of them in the regular season going to be
memorable or they really diminished by the playoff.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
It's a really it's a good question, and it's a
weird answer. So my answer is for some of the
regular season games, my biggest spear was the expanded playoff
would delude the value of those regular season games, and
maybe it did a little bit, but in a percentage form,
I would say like five percent. I went to all
the biggest games the country. I get to pick wherever
I go every week, Like a lot of those things
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were still really really big game environments. I will say
this though. It just dawned on me yesterday Number one
and versus Number two were playing Saturday, and I think
back to some of like the Game of the Century
type matchups or a Game of the Millennium type matchups
we've had where one v. Two happens in the regular season,
and I think you're right, those did feel infinitely bigger,
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even as regular season games than the Big ten championship
game does. And it's because we built a great, big
safety net under it, and that was always going to
be the price you paid for expanding the playoffs. It's
also why it just aggravates me to no end that
we're sitting here at twelve. I still think we have
a fine enough balance and we've got a complete mess
of the college football calendar, and yet the powers that
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be's main focus is how do we expand the playoff one?
You know, you got a huge mess over here, and
you got something that's working okay, over there, and all
their attention is over there instead of over here.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Okay, so help me out. How do you so this
is a real discussion, Josh Page joining us here in
the Doug Gollie Show. So again, I don't have all
the answers, but I am a college coach, and I
can tell you that at least college basketball did make
one adjustment to the portal calendar. Last year. The portal
was opened during the NCAA tournament Oka and then it
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closed up in the Final four, then opened this year.
I believe it's not open until after the NCAA tournament,
So that that's a positive adjustment. Football is different, okay,
and let me explain, Josh, I know you know this,
this is not for you, but so people understand that
the early signing period starts today, right, and high school
players can enroll early, Okay, enroll early as well as
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for transfers. Like, the idea is, you got to have
somebody in place for the portal for high school recruiting,
and so you have a team in place at the
start of second semester so that you're gonna have spring
football so that you have some of these practices before
you get the summer where you don't have enough time
in the summer to make up for it. Okay, how
do you, Josh Pate, adjust the calendar so that we
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don't have not only coaches changing jobs when their team
is still playing playing games.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Yep, all right, So you got two options here. You
really have no control over the first one from the
athletic side, and that is the academic calendar. You could
have an alternate universe where, you know, people kind of
acknowledge the reality, and that is that the quote unquote
student athlete exists on campus because of a completely different
reason than the math major. Therefore, you create a separate
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student athlete academic calendar as you know that's very unrealistic.
If you could do that, you can solve a lot
of problems. So if we assume we live in a
world where that's not possible, then college football has got
to adjust its calendar. And I think what you probably
have to do, and I would hate it because it's
one thousand degrees in the South in late August, but
you probably have to move the start of your season
up a week to where you're that third week in
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August kicking off to where you can end your season
third week of November, where your conference championship games are
taking place December or Thanksgiving weekend rather and you just
four week your playoffs and have your national championship on
New Year's Day, and then you go National Signing Day
shortly thereafter and portal windows shortly after that. That's the
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only obmum I make.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I would say there's one other option, and I think
Saban sort of said it, which is I think what
you gotta do is you gotta cut the spring and
fire up the summer. I think that's what you gotta do.
I have you no, I mean, and for people don't understand, again,
you can't for basketball, we can do eight hours but
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it has to be four and four. So we get
four hours a week in the summer for basketball and
it helps, but again it's still very very difficult. You
don't have time to have real practice. Like look, reality is,
all of these programs that we're talking are four programs.
I would guess by now they all have indoors, So
weather's not an issue. If it is, if it's hot
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and you don't have an indoor, one you better build
one and you're not getting coaches or players, and two
you can do it in the morning. But again the
counter to it is because because the argument is, hey,
we need those practices, we need to get our young
guys up and going we build a new team. I
think the only way to do it is, you know,
maybe you maybe you cut off early early enrollees and
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then you have summer practice, or you have a certain
number of practices where you're allowed with any guys that way,
even your early enrollies, if they want to get there,
they can. But that you can either bank the practices
for the summer that we're supposed to be in the
spring something like that.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
I think that works a lot of ads that I've
talked to, and a lot of coaches that I've talked
to strongly prefer that you can always tell the guys
who have coached pro ball, So the second that's mentioned,
they just say, yeah, that's just a fancy way of
saying OTAs, and yes, I'm all for it, and yes
it would greatly alleviate a lot. Look, that stuff just
makes my head spin because I'm a visual guy, so
it's hard for me to mentally see the calendar, much
(29:57):
less all the dates on the calendar. But when guys
whose opinions I trust all start to align behind something,
I usually shut up and listen to it. And that's
one that's been floated around a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Okay, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna I'm gonna load
you up with some amo and you can pick it
apart or go. That's good. I'm gonna go with it
when I talk about it on my show. Okay, you
ready for it?
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Go.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Lots of people are saying, hey, I don't want to punish,
for example, Ole Miss's players for Lane Kiffin's departure. I
don't think you punish him. Okay, I think we're looking
at this all wrong. I don't think Florida State was punished.
I think Florida State was appropriately evaluated as being inferior
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to their where they were in the regular season two
years ago when the quarterback went down. I think that's
the the old miss thing. If you move them down
seed wise or whatever you do with them, you're not
punishing them. You're trying to figure out who the best
teams are. And I don't think anybody would argue they're
not as good without Lane Kiffen as they were with
Lane Kiffin, much the way you'd say with the quarterback.
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Do you know you are? Are you okay with pushing
back on the punished word.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I yes, I see where you're going. Like logically, that's
all aligned, Like we're aligned on that. The two things
that I keep pushing back on all right. One, we
saw Florida State play multiple games without Jordan Travis. Sure,
so if you wanted to go that route, like our
eyeballs saw how inferior their offense was without him on
the field. Now, my whole thing during that period was
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that committee did not say best teams. They said most
deserving teams. And then at the eleventh hour, I vividly
remember it, Doug Bill Hancock goes on some interview, like
it wasn't even an official platform or anything, and he
just casually said, you know, the term most deserving is
not in our lexicon. It's best. Well, once you say that,
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I don't really even care if I think you're punishing
them or not. Like we can argue over semantics if
we're trying to put the best teams in there, who
are essentially power rating teams at that point, and no
Florida State would have no business there. But even applying that,
how does one apply that to Ole Miss right now?
Because there's season's over, we will have never even seen
them without Lane Kiffin or without some of his staff.
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And I really don't know how you even quantify the impact.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Agreed? Uh does Alabama getting if they lose?
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yes, they do, Absolutely they do. I think Notre Dame
has been in far more trouble than Alabama for a
couple of weeks now. I just think the committee finally
admitted it in their rankings last night.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He's Josh Pate check them out. It's payte State, It's
the Josh Paig College Football Show. You, sir, are the best.
Enjoy this is I know, your personal Christmas. Thanks for
bringing our guests.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Doug.
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Speaker 7 (33:13):
Anybody got bub all right, Doug? Chiefs Cowboys on Thanksgiving
Day is now the most watched NFL regular season game ever.
More than fifty seven point million viewers tuned in, peaked
with more than sixty one million viewers now. Prior to
that on Fox it was the Packers and Lions. Forty
eight million people tuned in to watch that game. Yes,
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it's a that's a lot. That was at the time
for about three and a half hours. The most watched.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
How many people watched? How many you watch?
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Forty eight million?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Nearly how many people watched the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
Game fifty seven point two.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Okay, so listen the next time you go, hey, why
are those shows always talking about the Cowboys. Again, I'm
not saying it's always a good deal the idea to
talk about the Cowboys, but this is what TV people do, right,
They see those numbers, like, well, everybody wants talk about
the Cowboys, so talk about the Cowboys. And especially in
the offseason, we just make up segments. We don't put
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others make up segments to talk about the Cowboys. This
is why.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Well, and historically this has been the highest rated game
of every season, and the Lions game is the second one.
When you throw the Chiefs into it, like, it's just
like mega, Like that's the dream super Bowl scenario I
think for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Also, it's also proof that there is exactly zero motivation
to fix the product. If you're delivering those numbers and
revenues are up, there's not gonna be any meetings about
how do we fix this mid product?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, I actually do think I agree with you, Jason,
that they're not going to try and fix the product,
but they're the best thing they do to try to
help the product is keep the quarterbacks healthy, and that's
the only thing they feel like they've been able to do.
Keep the quarterbacks healthy. You can't really hit them in
a way which taking get hurt. That's the goal.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Jackson Dart excluded.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I will also say this, and I've always been a
supporter of Lion stay on Thanksgiving and like those rumblings
were heard a little bit more, I would say that
when yes, and then when they stunk for a long
long time now, like in this window that we were in,
if they weren't as good as they were right now,
the NFL would change it. Now, I don't think that
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they can. I think that now Detroit is locked in,
and even if Detroit takes a turn for it, it
would be a while before they would strip it away.
But my goodness, I think Detroit got super fortunate in
the timing that they became really good right when I
thought like the NFL would maybe pull the trigger on
making a change.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
We agree, and I'm.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Very happy for it. ESPN reports the agent for Bucks
forward Jannison Tetakumpo, has initiated conversations about whether Janis's future
should be in Milwaukee. A decision is expected.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
In that worded that's like the most BS wording ever.
Not you did, Dan, I'm saying that just well, they're
could begin conversations whether a Milwaukee is the right place.
In other words, hey man, do you wander this now?
Do you want to wait to the offseason?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
That's what's happened, correct, and find out what other teams
want to be, uh want to be in.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Right, it's the opposite. It's the opposite of the of
the Luca deal. Right where Dallas decided to shop him,
they did so in silence, and in this case, it's
nobody's gonna be silent about it.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
A lines wide receiver I'm under us Saint bron is
questionable to play tomorrow against the Cowboys. Mike Evans return
to practice for the Buccaneers today. Brown's open up the
twenty one day practice window for Deshaun Watson and Jim
Harbaugh had go to the Charger, says Justin Herbert not
practicing today, but they're optimistic he plays Monday against the
Eagles despite that broken hand. And that is the press.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
May get out there and pressed. That was the press
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Last year, we played in Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara comes
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(00:47):
it's not terribly cold. I mean, if you're in Santa
Barbara when it's twenty six and it feels like thirteen,
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We had some fun with it, welcoming in Joe Pasternak
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brand of weather. Tomorrow morning, Jay Stu, when I wake
(01:10):
up two degrees.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Two degrees, that's awesome. And I love the fact that
you're playing the Big West. I've been to the thunder
Dome men in times, watched the Galagos, including last year
when Sam ordered at least three hot dogs and the
half that he was there. Yes, he showed up at halftime.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, I got there during the first half. I think
I missed. I mean I think I missed like seven
minutes of the of the half, but I did have
probably three or four hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Actually, Jay s dou, I actually have big news for.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
You and marchronizing the place, big.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Bigness to you in Mark time, I believe we have agree.
We haven't gotten a date yet. I think we're coming
to play Cal State Forwards the next year. No, Ken, Yeah,
Titan Jim, I've played. I've played at Titan Jim, Titan
Jim and the Brand Events Center. I think I played
a Titan Jim more because we used to play pick
a basketball there all the time, all the time, all
(02:03):
the time. So pretty fired up that I not not
officially official, but unofficially official, but I expect you and
Mark Stein to be court side.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But that's my I'll bring the Walker brothers to nice
their buddies of one. Yeah, no, I'll have a bunch
of people. I need a lot of tickets.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, one of the Walkers, this son plays it at Auburn.
So Kevin Son plays it plays at Auburn anyway. For
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(03:04):
with you.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
It's time for the midway.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hi, Jay Stu, what's the topic.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You take it from here.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The uh, it looks like the consensus on the group
text was this, we're gonna uh, we're gonna recap post
mortem the regular season of college football. Now the jumping
off point, I'd like to do kind of a flashback.
The Wednesday, midway before the start of the regular season,
we did our one storyline we are most intrigued by
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going into the season. I'm gonna give you those four
and you guys could choose in this in the next
ten minutes to talk about those things that maybe you
had brought to the table, or you could just choose
another thing. I just want to know you're you're kind
of like a big takeaway storyline from the season that
(04:02):
you enjoyed following the most or were most surprised by.
So here it was our four stories coming into the
season that we were most intrigued by. Was will Dion
Sanders after losing his son lose interest in and it
won't have a good season? That turned out that way?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Uh? Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Who was that? Who was that? By the way?
Speaker 6 (04:23):
That was that was mine?
Speaker 7 (04:24):
That was mine?
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Bill Belichick? What kind of the season is he going
to have? That didn't turn out too well?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Arch Manning. I forgot who brought that to the table,
Arch Manning, is he going to live up to the
hype that didn't work out too well? And then Caitlin
de boor, is he going to be the next Mike
Shula or the next next Saban?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think that was yours, Dougie. I think you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I feel like Kalyn Devor was your guy. I don't
remember what mine was.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Everybody wanted him fired after week one. Then he was
the guy. Then he was the guy. Now there are
people that think that if he loses Saturday, they'll go
take the Penn stage job.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
The North Carolina story was so much of a train
wreck that it wasn't even a like a nice train wreck,
Like it was just such a mess, right.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Just wasn't aware of a nice train wreck ever before.
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I know what you mean, like fugitive train wreck, like
where like the cars were just scattered all over what he's.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Saying, like it wasn't it wasn't even fun. It got
it got to the punt where like this is not
even fun.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Yeah, just ridiculous. He thought that there would be something
of standards of commitment, and it was just a circus
all season long.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I would, I would I agree with you, Dan,
I would also say that we really don't know the
level of dysfunction. I think, me just being honest, I
think what was reported by what's his name does all
the investigative journalism based for the entire industry was what
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was reported by Pablo was so damaging that everything became
every game everything became about that, right, And and basically
Pablo is like, he might not even make it to
the season. It's such a disaster. And he was right,
it was a disaster. I don't know if he's writ
in terms of what was actually going on behind the scenes.
(06:25):
Again he hasn't missed yet. But again, this was this
was just this was without receipts. We don't know. And
I can also tell you that yet and you're holding
a guide to the standard that we're used to with
him as an NFL coach is sort of ridiculous when
you're a college coach. And I did say, when you
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got seventy new players, you're not going to win. You're
just not, especially when you never coached college football before.
Just it's so hard now year two, year three, there
has to be has to be improvement, and I would
guess there will be, but I I agree with you, Dan,
it was not even fun. I did see a lot
of myself in what was going on there where the
reality is they just didn't have good at players.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Yeah, well you didn't have Jordan Hudson interfering in everything.
And there's another there's another aspect of this because we
look at Belichick, and we look at Belichick's assistant and
look at what Matt Patricia did at Ohio State. So
Matt Patricia failed as an NFL head coach and then
failed in his return to New England in coaching the
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offense and coaching the quarterbacks, and Bill Belichick failed at
North Carolina. And while Ohio State does have great talent,
they did have to replace a lot of talent on defense,
and they became even better on defense with Matt Patricia
leading it, which maybe isn't a surprise when we say, well,
of course he learned from Bill Belichick, but that also
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then tells you how dysfunctional things have gotten around Belichick
that he can't even rely on his defense or the
stuff that he knows. I get worked for Matt Patricia
and it was a complete mess in Chapel Hill fair
fair point.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Did we think though, in terms of wins and losses,
that it would be kind of around five and seven,
four and eight.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
They finished four.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I don't think we knew. I don't think we had
any idea, right, I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Didn't think they'd go bold. I really didn't know much
about the personnel. I just felt like it would just
be a season though. Where there I.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
Think any of the start we knew about North Carolina football.
I think we're fooling ourselves. And I think that we
thought that, well, maybe Belichick fresh start. Heck, he knows
more about football than anybody. He'll be able to win
them the five six or seven games. And I don't
even think it got to the point of that where
it didn't matter if he could be a mastermind and school.
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Some of these college head coaches.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Ended on a free game losing streak, including a bad
loss at NC State.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, but they also they had probably two games they
should have won. Was the Cow game, I think, which
was one.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, they lost by three to Cal too.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That they should have won their late as well. And
I think that the one topic we missed on that
we didn't know is I mean, I thought that Jim O.
Fisher would be the total outlier where guys get bought
out with these ridiculous sums of money. I didn't realize
it would be the norm. And this was the year
(09:20):
where half the SEC was fired and half of the
coaches that were fired were fired before the midway point
in the season. Complete change. This is not what college
football has ever looked like before. And just so people understand,
the next thing that's coming is players are going to
get fired early in the season. You want to make
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the employees they're fireable, they'll get fired.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
How many guess how many coaches got new extensions because
of what happened at Penn State, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That also happens anytime the Kentucky job gets up in basketball.
Everybody says they're a candidate for the job, they get it.
I don't think it was just Penn State though, Dan
to be you know, right, like all these jobs being open,
everybody got an extension. But yeah, Penn State obviously got
Matt Rule an extension. And then the second said, like, ed,
do we really want Matt Rule? Like I don't know,
(10:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And Penn State's been a story all year from what
being a top three team yep, and then getting to
the Oregon game, losing in overtime, and then the Law
and then James and now they finished six and six,
They're going to a bowl with the interim coach. It's
just been like if you woke up from a long
slumber or a coma and you looked at Penn State
starting as a top three team to finishing six and
(10:34):
six with an interim coach, You'd be like, what did
I miss?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
What's amazing about it is I think Dan, you, me
and Sam could probably just vamp on really good games
this year. Georgia Tennessee was amazing. Early in the year,
Alabama Georgia was incredible. Alabama Auburn was really good. This
past weekend Oregon Indiana was a very good football game.
(11:02):
Texas Ohio State not that great. Texas comeback against Mississippi
State was incredible. A and M. Notre Dame A and
M Texas all great games.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Notre Dame Miami is a good game too.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Notre Dame Miami was a good game, especially the year right.
But I and Dan, this maybe is more for you
because you have more historical knowledge of it. I feel like,
because of the college football Playoff, what's the real memorable
game for the year, Like, I don't know where he
is the one, because none of them seem that big,
(11:36):
because though they matter, don't totally matter as much as
they used to matter. And so you don't freak out
after a game you're like, well that team season is over,
because it's almost like it's kind of never over until
it's over.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
I'll tell you the game, and it didn't come down
to the wire, but it's I think that the coaching
carousel is the number one story of this past season.
I agree, I think, and I think that's a negative story.
I think the positive story. I'm going to say this,
I think if we're looking at positives, Indiana saved college football.
(12:09):
Indiana Indiana when you look at these show and they
may be there for the next eight years, but right
now they are still new to the party after being
in the playoff last year, even better this year to
see the growth of the team and the program and
for them to be the look at the brands. I mean,
(12:31):
even like Texas Tech is still new to the party.
But there's just something about Indiana being twelve and zero
where I actually think Saturday's game is more important to
Indiana than outside of a national championship. A winning team
like to be able to show like we are now
the king of the Big Ten Conference. If they were
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to beat Ohio State, I think it means way more
to Indiana than it does Ohio State this Saturday. But
I think that Indiana has been that beacon in college
football when there's just been a lot of negativity with
the coaching firings. It's the same old, same old. It's
the sec plug in this team here, this team there
probably could have been old Miss if link Giffin didn't leave,
(13:14):
but he's part of that coaching carousel conversation. So I
think that Indiana has been this this beacon. Vanderbilt as
well in Diego Pavia and his mom, I think you've
been positive for college.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Football, but they're a negative.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
But Indiana, to me, he's been the beacon.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I'll tell you this is a more of a minor story.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
But so.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean Clemson being just average, Clemson, Florida State, and
Virginia Tech. Right where Virginia Tech fires their coach. Florida
State came close, but they're like, yeah, we'll give them
another year and Clemson. It's just too expensive to fire
Dabos Sweeney. It's crazy. Those are hit three historically significant,
(13:59):
big time college faball programs who are all at best
mediocre at best, and when you consider how the season
started for Floor's date, that's a stunner.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
There were also people who said that Clemson had the
best talent in all of college football to start the year.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
They're seven and five, right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Seven five? At least they're not six and seven six
seven seven. Sorry, I just want to believe you, guys.
I just Jason Stewart wants to murder me right now.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I was random side.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Out and some people have browns for murder with that.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I was watching Iowa Michigan State last night. It was
Paul Burmeister and Nick ba on the broadcast, and one
point one of them did say six to seven, and
neither of them reacted to it, and I was like,
thank you, guys, thank you for moving past this.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
They could have, they didn't. Hats off to them.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I don't know if there's any positive in this. So
as a casual football fan, I just looked up the
odds for the Heisman and I I mean I I
vaguely know these names from the season.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I can't. I can't tell you who who's going to Heisman.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I honestly am uh you would think that if if
I'm aware of just by consuming, you know, superficial knowledge
of college football and watching highlights, I would remember like
a standout play that was like a signature moment from
a player among this list.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I mean, you guys are familiar.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
With Julian saying, uh, Diego Pavia, Fernando Mendoza. I there's
no like signature, like uh, what's his face? From Michigan
in the nineties, had that one signature play? You'll never
forget it. I just don't. I don't see any of that.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
In this what's his face? You mean Desmond Howard.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Or Charles Woodson for that matter.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Was it Desmon Howard striking the heisman post?
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It was, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. The Heisman has become
whatever it really has, And I again, I think so
much of it is because of the playoff with all
what about that play? What about the play Mendoza made
when they beat was a Penn State Are you like,
(16:14):
does it matter that much? Whereas when you do it
for a national championship, like, oh, do you remember that play?
So what's gonna happen. They're gonna move the They're gonna
move the voting for the ward after the playoff, and
nothing that happens in the regular season is gonna.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Matter at all. Honestly, Penn State Oregon may have been
game of the Year of the year, yeah, fir, but
then it falls apart. I think that the Heisman has
decided Saturday in the Big Ten title game.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I think that if between those two, yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I think if if Mendoza shines, then it's his for Indiana,
and if Ohio State roles with saying doing his, I
think it's gonna be Sayans.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
And one of those guys the top overall pick is
also the rumor.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Well saying can't go to the pros yet, so he'll
be back next year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So I don't think Mendoz is that guy, but I
could be wrong. The interesting about Mendoza is Mendoza was
the guy at Cal last year when they beat Stanford
who was getting all emotional talking about his brothers at
Cal and at the brotherhood whatever. Like he was like, man,
this has means so much the brotherhood here, Like, hey,
you want to come to Indiana play for NASA championship. Yeah,
(17:17):
I'm good. Yeah, sure, yeah, brothers can be a different locations, right.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I'd like to throw out one more topic here more
so uh after the fact here Oklahoma from where they
went last year, this year, what they I think eight
and five they finished seventy five with brand ventables and
now ten and two, and they did it with defense,
they did it with Mateer's magic. A lot of those
wins were ugly, but.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Matier wasn't Matier after he got it right, was just
not what it was?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Just whatever, right, But they may just they've churned out
wins and and they're they're They're back, They're back.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
That's probably the biggest what if for them. If he
doesn't break his hand then because he was not good
against Texas and rushing back for that.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Game, No, nope, nope, And that is the Midway, the Midway.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
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Speaker 1 (18:18):
Optimist Optimist Climb. That's a great name, Optimist Climb.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Your nickname recall is great.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
By the way, nicknames work for me, right, I feel like,
I'm gonna be like George George W. Bush. You know,
I just give everybody nicknames that don't actually make sense.
Do you guys remember that? He's like, hey, shorty, shorty, skinny, chubby.
He just start to name it because he can't remember
his dude's names. I do remember Josh Page's name. That's
because he's synonymous with college football. He's kind of to
(18:48):
spend some time with us, as he has periodically throughout
the year. You see him everywhere on three, ESPN, Yahoo Sports. Course,
Colherd heard him on my show. He's like, I gotta
have that guy on because he's a studt Josh Pai
Joy just here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. You are
known for paid state Penn State still looking for a coach, Like,
what the hell is going on that nobody wants to
go to state college and make ten million dollars.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
A year, dude, I don't even know. It's it's bad.
I didn't want them to. I mean I didn't support
them Fire and Franklin to begin with. But whatever, I mean,
guys have lost their jobs before that. I thought should
get one more year. But man, like I don't have
to know. I can look out the window as an
outsider and see fog. But if you're an athletic director,
you can correct me if I'm wrong. Here you live
(19:30):
in this world. If you're an athletic director and you're
gonna make the move on a coach that has averaged
basically a playoff caliber season over the past three or
four years, don't you at least have to have a
pretty good working set of knowledge about who you can acquire,
which was void up there. Just we're gonna fire and
then well we'll let the plane take off, then we'll
(19:50):
figure out how to fix the landing gear mid flight
was basically the.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Planet Penn state.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's a great way. That is a great analogy, unbelievable analogy,
I would agree. Like again, it's it's one of those
you know what the the you know what it does
is it completely dismantles and disarms the argument of hey,
we got to fire a guy early in the season
so we get ahead on the hiring cycle. It's actually
(20:16):
been backfired for them because you know, because once they
fired him, okay, Nebraska's like, well, we know you're coming
after our guy. We're going to re up him before
there's ever a chance, you know, to get him on campus.
That's really what happened.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
I'm gonna tell you the other thing. I think ls
you missed the boat here as well. I think LSU
and Penn State. Now LSU got their coach, so it's
all well and good for them. But we went through
this whole multi week ordeal about if Kiffin takes the job,
will he be able to coach in the playoffs? And
then you got Birje Assbury in the administration at LSU saying, hey,
we would have been fine with him coaching the playoffs.
Well how about this, then, why didn't you just hang
(20:50):
on to Brian Kelly through January? He could be none
the wiser. You could back channel this thing, keep it
ultra quiet. Is it the most ethical move in the world. No,
But I mean, look at the landscape right now. It's
void of any logic, much less ethics. So I look
at Penn State the same way. If you've got a
tight circle and you got folks you can trust, just
backchannel the thing. It's purely theatrics to pretend like you
(21:13):
have to have fired your head coach publicly before you're
allowed to begin a coaching search. There's no law that
says that. There's not even a bylaw that says that.
But you've got real Look, I want to be respectful because,
like I know these guys, but just some gross incompetence
at the wheel right now at multiple big time programs.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I don't think there's there's any question.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
What's interesting was I talked to a couple ads and
they're like, you know, the guy who should get the
sec job versus John Summraw and he's kind of got
drugged through a drug over the coles when I don't know,
it feels like Florida actually made a good hire, but
because they didn't get Kiffin, it seems like a negative.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Yeah, here's basically what that equates to. I mean, the
best defense of not liking Sumrall that I have heard
from Florida fans boils down to will we already tried
a G five coach from the state of Louisiana, you know,
which is a ken in the real world, to saying
I want dated a girl from Charlotte, North Carolina. It
did not work out. I could never date another girl
(22:16):
from Charlotte, North Carolina. Like the entire pool of potential
bachelorettes there in the greater Charlotte area. They're permanently poisoned,
the wellest poisoned because one example didn't work out. Of course,
there's no logic. It's void of any logic. I've said
that three times already in the short period that we've
been talking here. But John Somerral's great, Like if you
get down to football, just get down the real brass
(22:38):
tax football type stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
He's great.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
He's Look, if you don't believe me, I don't care.
I mean my opinions. Whatever it is. You said it, though,
go talk to people around the league. Go talk to
people just around the South in general. Talk to NFL scouts.
They universally knew it was a matter of when, not if,
he got one of those big time jobs. I will
tell you this, Doug. He wanted that auburne and Auburn
(23:01):
fumbled it fantastically, and I was ready to just rip Auburn,
but I kept my mouth shut because sometimes athletic and
administration's trip backwards across the finish line and ended up
landing softly. And they did. They got Alex Golish, and
he's a really good coach too. But John wanted that
Auburn job Florida. For all the people been moaning this
(23:21):
higher down, there may in three years be looking at
it saying that could have been the most fortuitous turn
of events over that seventy two or ninete sent hour
period that we ever could have voted for.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Josh Payton joining us synonymous college college football. It's Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Josh Paid, of
course has the Josh Paid College Football Show, which you
should watch, listen to download at your leisure, or check
him out on YouTube as well. We were just having
a discussion about the year that has been college football,
(23:51):
and my point was, I can pick apart all the games,
you know, like Dan Byer and I we watched all
these games. Sam's a Iowa guy, so he watched all
the Iowa games, and we go, this was a great game.
That was a great game, you know, and maybe Ohio
State Indiana is an epic one. Has it changed for
you as somebody who grew up around this and now
(24:14):
talks about it for a living, the the energy towards
a game, because who wins and who loses doesn't have
as great an effect on the outcome of the national
championship because the biggest games, for the most part, both
those teams are going anyway, right, Yeah, So I guess
(24:34):
that's the question is of the games this year, are
any of them in the regular season going to be
memorable or they really diminished by the playoff.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
It's a really it's a good question, and it's a
weird answer. So my answer is for some of the
regular season games, my biggest spear was the expanded playoff
would delude the value of those regular season games, and
maybe it did a little bit, but in a percentage form,
I would say like five percent. I went to all
the biggest games the country. I get to pick wherever
I go every week, Like a lot of those things
(25:03):
were still really really big game environments. I will say
this though. It just dawned on me yesterday Number one
and versus Number two were playing Saturday, and I think
back to some of like the Game of the Century
type matchups or a Game of the Millennium type matchups
we've had where one v. Two happens in the regular season,
and I think you're right, those did feel infinitely bigger,
(25:24):
even as regular season games than the Big ten championship
game does. And it's because we built a great, big
safety net under it, and that was always going to
be the price you paid for expanding the playoffs. It's
also why it just aggravates me to no end that
we're sitting here at twelve. I still think we have
a fine enough balance and we've got a complete mess
of the college football calendar, and yet the powers that
(25:44):
be's main focus is how do we expand the playoff one?
You know, you got a huge mess over here, and
you got something that's working okay, over there, and all
their attention is over there instead of over here.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Okay, so help me out. How do you so this
is a real discussion, Josh Page joining us here in
the Doug Gollie Show. So again, I don't have all
the answers, but I am a college coach, and I
can tell you that at least college basketball did make
one adjustment to the portal calendar. Last year. The portal
was opened during the NCAA tournament Oka and then it
(26:14):
closed up in the Final four, then opened this year.
I believe it's not open until after the NCAA tournament,
So that that's a positive adjustment. Football is different, okay,
and let me explain, Josh, I know you know this,
this is not for you, but so people understand that
the early signing period starts today, right, and high school
players can enroll early, Okay, enroll early as well as
(26:38):
for transfers. Like, the idea is, you got to have
somebody in place for the portal for high school recruiting,
and so you have a team in place at the
start of second semester so that you're gonna have spring
football so that you have some of these practices before
you get the summer where you don't have enough time
in the summer to make up for it. Okay, how
do you, Josh Pate, adjust the calendar so that we
(27:02):
don't have not only coaches changing jobs when their team
is still playing playing games.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Yep, all right, So you got two options here. You
really have no control over the first one from the
athletic side, and that is the academic calendar. You could
have an alternate universe where, you know, people kind of
acknowledge the reality, and that is that the quote unquote
student athlete exists on campus because of a completely different
reason than the math major. Therefore, you create a separate
(27:28):
student athlete academic calendar as you know that's very unrealistic.
If you could do that, you can solve a lot
of problems. So if we assume we live in a
world where that's not possible, then college football has got
to adjust its calendar. And I think what you probably
have to do, and I would hate it because it's
one thousand degrees in the South in late August, but
you probably have to move the start of your season
up a week to where you're that third week in
(27:49):
August kicking off to where you can end your season
third week of November, where your conference championship games are
taking place December or Thanksgiving weekend rather and you just
four week your playoffs and have your national championship on
New Year's Day, and then you go National Signing Day
shortly thereafter and portal windows shortly after that. That's the
(28:09):
only obmum I make.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I would say there's one other option, and I think
Saban sort of said it, which is I think what
you gotta do is you gotta cut the spring and
fire up the summer. I think that's what you gotta do.
I have you no, I mean, and for people don't understand, again,
you can't for basketball, we can do eight hours but
(28:33):
it has to be four and four. So we get
four hours a week in the summer for basketball and
it helps, but again it's still very very difficult. You
don't have time to have real practice. Like look, reality is,
all of these programs that we're talking are four programs.
I would guess by now they all have indoors, So
weather's not an issue. If it is, if it's hot
(28:55):
and you don't have an indoor, one you better build
one and you're not getting coaches or players, and two
you can do it in the morning. But again the
counter to it is because because the argument is, hey,
we need those practices, we need to get our young
guys up and going we build a new team. I
think the only way to do it is, you know,
maybe you maybe you cut off early early enrollees and
(29:19):
then you have summer practice, or you have a certain
number of practices where you're allowed with any guys that way,
even your early enrollies, if they want to get there,
they can. But that you can either bank the practices
for the summer that we're supposed to be in the
spring something like that.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
I think that works a lot of ads that I've
talked to, and a lot of coaches that I've talked
to strongly prefer that you can always tell the guys
who have coached pro ball, So the second that's mentioned,
they just say, yeah, that's just a fancy way of
saying OTAs, and yes, I'm all for it, and yes
it would greatly alleviate a lot. Look, that stuff just
makes my head spin because I'm a visual guy, so
it's hard for me to mentally see the calendar, much
(29:57):
less all the dates on the calendar. But when guys
whose opinions I trust all start to align behind something,
I usually shut up and listen to it. And that's
one that's been floated around a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Okay, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna I'm gonna load
you up with some amo and you can pick it
apart or go. That's good. I'm gonna go with it
when I talk about it on my show. Okay, you
ready for it?
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Go.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Lots of people are saying, hey, I don't want to punish,
for example, Ole Miss's players for Lane Kiffin's departure. I
don't think you punish him. Okay, I think we're looking
at this all wrong. I don't think Florida State was punished.
I think Florida State was appropriately evaluated as being inferior
(30:37):
to their where they were in the regular season two
years ago when the quarterback went down. I think that's
the the old miss thing. If you move them down
seed wise or whatever you do with them, you're not
punishing them. You're trying to figure out who the best
teams are. And I don't think anybody would argue they're
not as good without Lane Kiffen as they were with
Lane Kiffin, much the way you'd say with the quarterback.
(30:57):
Do you know you are? Are you okay with pushing
back on the punished word.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I yes, I see where you're going. Like logically, that's
all aligned, Like we're aligned on that. The two things
that I keep pushing back on all right. One, we
saw Florida State play multiple games without Jordan Travis. Sure,
so if you wanted to go that route, like our
eyeballs saw how inferior their offense was without him on
the field. Now, my whole thing during that period was
(31:25):
that committee did not say best teams. They said most
deserving teams. And then at the eleventh hour, I vividly
remember it, Doug Bill Hancock goes on some interview, like
it wasn't even an official platform or anything, and he
just casually said, you know, the term most deserving is
not in our lexicon. It's best. Well, once you say that,
(31:47):
I don't really even care if I think you're punishing
them or not. Like we can argue over semantics if
we're trying to put the best teams in there, who
are essentially power rating teams at that point, and no
Florida State would have no business there. But even applying that,
how does one apply that to Ole Miss right now?
Because there's season's over, we will have never even seen
them without Lane Kiffin or without some of his staff.
(32:07):
And I really don't know how you even quantify the impact.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Agreed? Uh does Alabama getting if they lose?
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yes, they do, Absolutely they do. I think Notre Dame
has been in far more trouble than Alabama for a
couple of weeks now. I just think the committee finally
admitted it in their rankings last night.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He's Josh Pate check them out. It's payte State, It's
the Josh Paig College Football Show. You, sir, are the best.
Enjoy this is I know, your personal Christmas. Thanks for
bringing our guests.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Doug.
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(33:11):
bell jingle bells.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Anybody got bub all right, Doug? Chiefs Cowboys on Thanksgiving
Day is now the most watched NFL regular season game ever.
More than fifty seven point million viewers tuned in, peaked
with more than sixty one million viewers now. Prior to
that on Fox it was the Packers and Lions. Forty
eight million people tuned in to watch that game. Yes,
(33:34):
it's a that's a lot. That was at the time
for about three and a half hours. The most watched.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
How many people watched? How many you watch?
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Forty eight million?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Nearly how many people watched the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
Game fifty seven point two.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Okay, so listen the next time you go, hey, why
are those shows always talking about the Cowboys. Again, I'm
not saying it's always a good deal the idea to
talk about the Cowboys, but this is what TV people do, right,
They see those numbers, like, well, everybody wants talk about
the Cowboys, so talk about the Cowboys. And especially in
the offseason, we just make up segments. We don't put
(34:09):
others make up segments to talk about the Cowboys. This
is why.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Well, and historically this has been the highest rated game
of every season, and the Lions game is the second one.
When you throw the Chiefs into it, like, it's just
like mega, Like that's the dream super Bowl scenario I
think for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Also, it's also proof that there is exactly zero motivation
to fix the product. If you're delivering those numbers and
revenues are up, there's not gonna be any meetings about
how do we fix this mid product?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, I actually do think I agree with you, Jason,
that they're not going to try and fix the product,
but they're the best thing they do to try to
help the product is keep the quarterbacks healthy, and that's
the only thing they feel like they've been able to do.
Keep the quarterbacks healthy. You can't really hit them in
a way which taking get hurt. That's the goal.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Jackson Dart excluded.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I will also say this, and I've always been a
supporter of Lion stay on Thanksgiving and like those rumblings
were heard a little bit more, I would say that
when yes, and then when they stunk for a long
long time now, like in this window that we were in,
if they weren't as good as they were right now,
the NFL would change it. Now, I don't think that
(35:22):
they can. I think that now Detroit is locked in,
and even if Detroit takes a turn for it, it
would be a while before they would strip it away.
But my goodness, I think Detroit got super fortunate in
the timing that they became really good right when I
thought like the NFL would maybe pull the trigger on
making a change.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
We agree, and I'm.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Very happy for it. ESPN reports the agent for Bucks
forward Jannison Tetakumpo, has initiated conversations about whether Janis's future
should be in Milwaukee. A decision is expected.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
In that worded that's like the most BS wording ever.
Not you did, Dan, I'm saying that just well, they're
could begin conversations whether a Milwaukee is the right place.
In other words, hey man, do you wander this now?
Do you want to wait to the offseason?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
That's what's happened, correct, and find out what other teams
want to be, uh want to be in.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Right, it's the opposite. It's the opposite of the of
the Luca deal. Right where Dallas decided to shop him,
they did so in silence, and in this case, it's
nobody's gonna be silent about it.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
A lines wide receiver I'm under us Saint bron is
questionable to play tomorrow against the Cowboys. Mike Evans return
to practice for the Buccaneers today. Brown's open up the
twenty one day practice window for Deshaun Watson and Jim
Harbaugh had go to the Charger, says Justin Herbert not
practicing today, but they're optimistic he plays Monday against the
Eagles despite that broken hand. And that is the press.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
May get out there and pressed. That was the press
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