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December 4, 2025 • 37 mins

On this installment of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday!", Doug and the crew feature the sports year of 1985. Doug welcomes NFL analyst Daniel Jeremiah onto the show to discuss the Thursday Night matchup, Shedeur Sanders and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".

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I've been told it's about what seventy six seventy seven
degrees where you are?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Is that right? Dan has this sheepest grid in his face.
He's gonna run.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, let's see what I was Sam says and what
the official go ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
The weather on the woods here, The Fox sports. Ready, Now,
let's go to chopper or I and and what do
you got high above the one oh one?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
What do you got there? Sam? What's the weather day?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
All right, let's see here according to my source, right
now at the Van Nights Airport, SONNY, in sixty eight
with a hive of seventy degrees.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
What are your sources saying?

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Dan?

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Can you cross check that?

Speaker 6 (01:26):
Will be?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's what I was looking at as well. All right,
the temperature right now it's sixty eight degrees as of
ten minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Grey Bay, Wisconsin, Graymo, Wisconsin's fourteen degrees. It feels like
it's eight.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I don't know. It's cool, but it was one. It
was two degrees this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
And I got up and I sent a text to
to Andy Toole, who's the coach of Robert Morris.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Just welcome to the tundra. It's so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Uh, And I said, we like there's a place where
the bus parks. And I'm like, hey, can we have
the bus stop like fifty yards for they just have
them walk outside? Just feel with this lace is your house?

Speaker 6 (02:09):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, the lake?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
The lake is do you go out there and jet
snowmobile snow machines.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Fish what No, eventually you can eventually can't. It just
froze over five six days ago, right when it because
when it snowed, it was warmer, had to be warmer
to snow, and some of the light thin sheath about
that thin sheath of ice kind of melted away, and
then the cold wind came behind it and the first

(02:38):
layer of real ice is there. So yeah, right now
it's iced over, but no one's walking on it.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Probably, you know, a week you'll see people start to
walk on it, put up their little fishing pup tents there,
and then my neighbors will get their little actually they're
like long tractor, but they know how to jimmy riggott.
So it it gets a little ice rink and the
boys will play hockey out there. Dogs will walk on it. Yeah,
the whole deal bay will be we'll pushally be frozen.

(03:03):
This is the Doug Outlet Show. It is a Wednesday Thursday.
Excuse me, yesterday was Wednesday. Wednesday is our midway, right, Thursday,
we look back in our own unique way.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
We'll recall it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
All right, let's go.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
If you are one and only Jason Stewart who sets
up directorsay.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
It dog, I'll take it from here.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
I'll take it from here.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Forty years ago, forty years ago, something happened that if
it were to be done today, it would receive NonStop
ridicule on social media. It would it would be the
talk of sports talk. The Chicago Bears were in the
middle of an undefeated season. There were ten and oh

(03:53):
or eleven and zero when they decided to go into
a studio and make a song and video called the
Super Bowl Shuffle. The Chicago Bears had never won a
Super Bowl, they'd never been to a Super Bowl, but
they were undefeated, and we're going to put the cart
before the horse and do a song and nobody will

(04:14):
really hear it because it's a dumb rap song. But no, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Was it released forty years ago or was it recorded
four years ago?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Both?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
When was it recorded? That's my question?

Speaker 6 (04:26):
Early December, released soon after.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Because they actually lost their one loss of the year
December second of eighty five. That was the famous Monday
night football game, which I know Dan wanted to talk.
That's like probably the there's like three Monday night football games.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I remember most. That's one of them.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
I remember it well. It was a big Marino guy.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
So they just lost the game and they go to
they go into a studio, super Bowl shovel that takes.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
A QUARTERBA December third. They lost December second.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
I would say that, wow. I would say that exactly
very definition of a jinx, which I know triggers Sam,
but for superstitious people that is the very general. But anyways,
Dan Byer brought this to my attention last week. I
didn't even know that they had made one. A documentary
of the song, the impact it had and the history

(05:20):
behind it and the players is out right now and
it's an enjoyable watch. And again it sound I don't
I don't want you to watch because they talk about
superstitions a lot, so I don't want you to be triggered.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, well, the one thing is that was the same
year that We Are the World was recorded in a
studio that became the biggest song anywhere, And it feels
like this was like a sports bastardized version of it
on some level makes sense a little bit. I'm just
trying to trying to get full context.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
The chorus of a chorus of people, different verses for
each artists, different verses for each player.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, and the song's not very good, but Dylan learning awkward.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Yes, it's an awful rap song. It was a rap
song that must have been written by a white guy.
It's just a really bad song with cliches.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Why do white guys write write bad rap songs? That's
such a gross mischaracters.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
There are two exceptions, eminem and logic. And I want
to say logic is half black. Anyways, like mac Miller,
he was good.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
That mac Miller was good. He's white. He was white.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Post Malone is offered up great different genres.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Dude, post Malone, what I that was?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
He's old country buffet, he's all over the place.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, he's kid rock now.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
So yeah. All that included a song called Super Bowl Shuffle,
and they went on to win the Super Bowl. A
couple interesting things to remember about that Bears team, as
Doug just pointed out their only loss to the Dolphins
on a mind to night, they went into the playoffs
and gave up a grand total of ten points in
three games. Ten points in three games. All those came

(07:01):
in the Super Bowl to the Patriots. The Bears did
not give up a single point in the both the
NFC Championship Game and the Divisional round to the Rams
and Giants. It was a completely dominant team that lived
up to the Super Bowl Shuffle. And I just want
to take us back to nineteen eighty five, Dan Byer,

(07:22):
what sticks out most from that year?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, a lot sticks out from nineteen eighty five. It
was a great year. But I think in Doug's bread
and butter, and I apologize if I'm stealing it from you, Doug.
But the upset of Georgetown by Villanova in the National
Championship Game. Three big East schools go to the eighty

(07:45):
five Final four. Many thought Georgetown was just going to
cut the Nets down win another national title for John Thompson.
But Villanova, heck hardly missed from the field, end up
beating Georgetown and Lexington, Kentucky, three biggest teams.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Who is the fourth team?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I know, Dan Byer knows this, damn Who's the fourth
team in that that final forty five? Memphis State, Memphis State, right,
Memphis State.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
Yeah, Ed Pinckney was on coke right, No.

Speaker 8 (08:18):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Ed Pinney wasn't Eddie Pinney McLain was one of the
plans McLean's one of the mclains was on coke.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Yeah, well, I'm reporting it now that ed also did.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's like it's like, hey, hey, not me.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
That was Lakers Lakers Celtics NBA Finals. Oh right, yeap,
Lakers Celtics NBA Finals. And the Lakers and Celtics were
far and away the best teams in the NBA, right,
And it was a rematch of the year before when
the Celtics had won in seven and this one and

(08:54):
staid the Lakers won in six. Larry Bird was your
regular season MVP, but Magic Johnson the Lakers end up
winning the series. That was you remember what what was
that series most known for? By my estimation, I believe
that was. Wasn't that the the baby sky Hook game

(09:18):
when the Lakers won in Boston Garden and Magic won
it on a baby sky hook.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
I want to say that was the eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Series might have been. I think you're right. I think
you're right.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
I thought you were going to say the current.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
There was the Boston There was the Boston Massacre, which
is Game one, right, The Boston Celtics won Game one
by thirty four points. It's called the Boston Masacer Lakers
turned around one game two. Oh my god, sorry Kurt Rambis.
But uh the close lines.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Yeah, the close line. I don't know. Maybe that was
the eighty four series, but yeah, I mean all those,
all those great memories of that rivalry I think culminated
in eighty five. I think that was the Lakers' best team,
best season. I will say this. In baseball, the Royals
played the Cardinals. It was called the Something I Something Series.

(10:08):
Sam will know the freeway that connects Saint Louis with
Kansas City. I actually don't know. Okay, cool Brett Saberhagen
was our Cy Young Award winner, and I want to
say World Series MVP. I could be wrong on that.
George Brett had a great year for the Royals their
first World Series title. I actually really liked that series,
and I like that team.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
That's I I seventy Series seventy seventy.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
There it is I seventy. Remember that was the Cardinals
team that had Tommy Hurr batted third in front of
behind Vince Coleman and William McGee. Tommy Hurr had one
hundred and ten runs batted in and only like six
home runs. It was a ridiculous anomaly. But like McGee

(10:55):
and Coleman were on base all the time. Vince Coleman
stole a rookie record one hundred and ten stolen bases
that year.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Also most famously known for Don Denkinger's blown call in
Game six.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, sure it costs.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
The Cardinals the World Series.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Well, Oklahoma was your national champion in college football, the Sooners.
The Sooners were your preseason number one, your postseason number one.
They had not only the bos and Brian Bosworth, but
they had the Vince Lombardi Award winner in Tony Cassius
as well and the quarterback of the year, the Davy

(11:36):
Bryan Award winner, Sam This is for you, Chuck Long, Yeah,
who later would become Upense corneerat Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, very successful stint there with Bob's twops. Nineteen eighty
five was a huge year for Iowa. The last time
Iowa football ever won, or actually last time they won
an outright Big Ten championship, was nineteen eighty five. They
got up to number one in the country and then
they ended up playing and beating number two Michigan twelve
to ten on a Rob Houtland field goal. The quarterback

(12:05):
of that Michigan team was Jim Harbaugh and Iowa, though
later would go on to lose one game, and that would.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Be in Columbus, Ohio, on a Sagy afternoon in November.
I still have the Sports illustrated where it says splitsh splash,
Iowa took a bath knocked off guys.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Boo.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Also, Ohio State that year would go on to play
BYU and the Citrus Bowl where Chris Carter made one.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Of the Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well, Chris Carter always was making great catches, but he
had a magnificent catch in what was a ten to
seven ball game that I watched over and over on
the old VCR I had. I had the eighty five
Citrus Bowl on videotape and I watched that ten to
seven day that tape out.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
No Chris Carter, only Chris Carter only catches. There you go,
No one circles the wagons.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
Oh, go ahead, Doug.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I was gonna certain like.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
The Buffalo bill right. That was the uh wait, wait
one more thing. So yes, Chuck Long was a Heisman
runner up to Bo Jackson.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Bo Jackson was carry Bo Jackson probably.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Jack decision there with giving.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Not he did not lead college football and rushing Lorenzo
White did, but Bo Jackson, Bo Jackson's six point four
yards of carry, Lorenzo White seventeen yards of carry Thurman Thomas,
by the way, third and rushing.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
His backup Barry Sanders.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Was Barry Sanders.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
By the way, here's how it shouldn't go this far.
But Bo Jackson we think of as like one of
the greatest players ever, right, correct, yes, yes, yeah, okay,
So he rushes for seventeen hundred and eighty six yards
in eleven games. Okay, seventeen touchdowns, right, just again, I

(14:00):
know we're doing eighty five. But do you guys know
what Barry Sanders did the next year?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Find out next week on don't call it a throwback.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Thirty seven touchdowns thirty seven.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
And that wasn't counting the Bowl game, right, correct? Yeah,
all that was pre bowlstats, which is just mind boggling.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Golf in nineteen eighty five can be summed up by
one name, and it wasn't even his real name. Two.
Chip Chin tcchen double hit a ball in the fine
around of the US Open in nineteen eighty five, and
it essentially cost him the lead. Andy North would go
on to win a second US Open at Oakland Hills.
Baron had longer won the Masters the final two Green

(14:42):
jackets for him, but tc Chen then because of the
error made, which, by the way, no longer is a
penalty in golf. If he hit the ball twice, it
is no longer a penalty, but nineteen eighty five it was,
and it likely costs Chen a US Open title.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Nike sounds racist, by the way, like something Rodney Dangerfield doesn't.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, it sounds like it sounds like goodfellas. You remember
you had the nicknames, right, Hey, here's to Chick ten
over there.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
The TC was abbreviated from what his real name was.
But then because he hit it twice, to Chip just
worked out perfectly.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
The number one pick in the nineteen eighty five NFL
Draft anybody great player? Hall of Fame player, defensive end.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
The nineteen eighty five drafts, yep, Buffalo Bills. Yeah, Bruce Smith,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
The second pick was Bill Fralick.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, Atlanta Hawks, right there you go, alet of Falcons, Yeah, Falcons. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
The first quarterback in that draft, Kay was in the
second round out of unlv.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Randall Cunningham.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm sorry, I thought you were ye, No, no, it was.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
It was kind of a quidd's question. Whatever. I just
it's really amazing on how things have change. Right.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Third quarterback was in the second quarterback was in the
third round was Frank Reich.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Frank Reich.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
And the fourth quarterback taken wasn't taken until I had
this written down earlier. I just want to make sure
I got it right. Like, wasn't taken until the sixth round?
Was was Rusty Hilger. Think about it, that's crazy, Like
now all those guys would be the top top pick,
but back then they're like, yeah, we don't really need

(16:29):
a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Hildem went sixth round.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
On sixth round, he was the Tom Brady of the
eighty five draft.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
It's funny you bring up Blue Smith. I remember I
saw a documentary on Bruce Smith and he had some
headphones on the when he got the call that he
was drafted. And this the ironic thing is that he
had this song in his headphones.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh jit a bug.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
This is wake me up before you go go on
Wham's monster hit album Make It Big. Wham Wham, Make
It Big was the album of nineteen eighty four, but
this song was so popular that it was the Billboard
one hundred top three Song of the Year in nineteen
eighty five. This is Dan Byer's favorite singer of all time.

(17:22):
I don't know how he ranked Wham and George Michael,
or if he puts them in the same category.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
Wake me up.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Before you go go? Uh? That year in movies, can
we go to eighty five? Movies?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Obviously everybody knows the eighties and nineties best decades ever
for movies.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
Wait, can do you guys remember what? Movie?

Speaker 4 (17:41):
In early two thousands Is two thousands popularized this song again,
it with a scene where guys are spraying each other
with gasoline.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Zuelander, Yes, yes, you know listen.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Nineteen eighty five deserves a full hour, like we're just
not gonna get to everything, but this is okay, Sorry,
back to you, Doug.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
This is so good, okay, so uh. Number one film
in nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Back to the Future, Back to the Future, Gotta Go
Back in Time, Back to the Future. Second highest grossing
film in eighty five, First Blood Part two, third highest
grossing film, another on another Sebster saloon movie, Rocky four.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I want to ruin this for you, but hey, Rocko
Pools this one out right rock.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
It I was could change and use good change. We
all could change right.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Color purple, color purple was four out of Africa, five,
Cocoon six, Jewel of the Nile.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
He remember Jewel of the Nile?

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Was that Michael Douglas.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Goonies was then Goonies and spies like us both in
eighty five. If you haven't watched Goonies, some wrong with
your childhood. And spies like us was back and again
when Chevy Chase was funny, He's not funny anymore. Spies
like us, well, coy, I got some coffee and that is.
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 1 (19:22):
Live Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is
our guest NFL analyst on the NFL Network. He has
to move the six podcast he's the lead voice of
the NFL Network for the NFL Draft and oh yeah,
by the way, he's the voice, the color analyst voice
of the La Chargers.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Let's talk about Herbert.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, So he is a broken bone in his hand,
and yet they expect him to play on Monday night.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
How does that work?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well, you know, it's it's two parts of protection, and
you know, you get the plate on the inside to
protect and then you're gonna have to wear the you know,
the glove with the pad over it to protect it
from the outside. So I mean to me, I guess
it ends up being more of a pain tolerance issue
than a risk for him going forward. And the fact
that it's on its left hand. But I was just
listening to you before it came on, and I saw

(20:10):
the same thing that you saw when I saw Jalen
Carter had surgery on both shoulders and it said it'd
be week to week. I'm like, if I had surgery
on both my shoulders, like, I'm hoping I'm healthy by
next Christmas.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Sure, sure, no question about it.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Incredible stretch here for the Bolts, right Eagles at home,
they go to the Chiefs, they go to the Cowboys
before they finished with Texans at home and then to
the to the Broncos. Brutal, just just just brutal. Okay,
But and and they they got a little bit of
a get right game with the Raiders. What's their health

(20:44):
status outside of Herbert because they were so beating up
early in the year.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Well, I think there it sounds like you're gonna get
some guys back here. You know, we'll see with Amar
and Hampton's close to being back last week. We'll see
if he's ready to go for this Monday night game.
But getting him back, I think you have a nice
one two punch there with what you see from Camani
Vaydell coming off a huge game against the Raiders. He's
been really, really solid, so that should fortify that. Tito
Amonia coming back to the defensive tackle. You know, they

(21:10):
get a little bit healthier there along that defensive line.
They can roll some guys through, which would be nice.
And you know, I think more than anything else to
them settling on an offensive line, you know, in terms
of the tackle position, and Jamari Sawyer, you know, taking
over at left tackle where he started fifteen games for
a playoff team a few years ago, with the Chargers
and that's where he played in college. I think that's
where he's most comfortable. After auditioning a bunch of different

(21:32):
people there, I think they've kind of settled in with
Pipkins being back healthy at right tackle and saw you're
at left tackle. So I think they're in a you know,
they're in a better spot than they've been here maybe
in the last month.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Cowboys in
Lions tonight. Let's start with the Cowboys again. You're going
to see them in person coming up next week or
in two week. Excuse me as the Charger to travel
to Arlington. What's your reaction though, to the fact that they're.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
They're kind of better than decent.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
They're actually sort of good in comparison to what we
thought coming into the year.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
Well, I talked to a defensive line coach in the
NFL last week, and you know, I just said, you know,
what have you seen from offenses and who have you seen?
What's impressed you? And he said, the Cowboys offense the
best offense we've seen this year. Yeah, that's a it's
a problem. The offensive line is really good, the quarterbacks
playing at a high level. And really George Pickens has
been better than Ceedee Lamb. So they've had you know,

(22:27):
they've had a nice, nice run here offensively and I
think defensively that you know, as great as Michael Parsons
is this this fit works with them with this three
defensive tackle group that they've got now of guys that
can not only hold up against the run, but can
get you some interior pressure which can be pretty disruptive.
So they're playing better on that side of the ball.
They're playing really well, I mean to be honest, like
getting ready for the Eagles, the Cowboys playing you know,

(22:49):
you beat them, but they're they're they're on the whole.
We just playing better football than the Eagles as of late.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
They absolutely are.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
What about the Lions, You know, they lose to the Packers.
Now they get a week prepare for the Cowboys. But
what are your thoughts on the play calling? Is Dan
Campbell's taking over a couple weeks ago?

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of rhythm to it.
It feels a little disjointed, and I know they've had
some injuries and the Am and Ross Saint Brown injuries
big We'll see what happens with him tonight. But I
you know, it seems like the last couple of years,
injuries have really hit them at the wrong time. You
saw it again with Terry and Arnold being done for
the year at corner, So you know, I think it's

(23:28):
more than just Hey, you got to find the rhythm
and their flow offensively and get Jared Goff cooking. To me,
it's it's just a it's just a team that hasn't
found a way to be at their best at at
the most important time, which is as we come down
the home stretch.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Uh, We've we've got a chance to see Chador twice
now as a starter. We didn't have you on last
week obviously with Thanksgiving and everything else going on.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
What's your assessment of how he's played.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think he's done some good things. You know, it's
taking some shots down the field, which has been good
to see, which that offense hadn't done much of. But
I also think he's you know, he's missing some things
where there's opportunities there and he's getting to his check
down a little bit early. So he's getting some completions,
which is a good thing for a young quarterback. But
he has missed out on some opportunities there, but I

(24:18):
think he's shown enough that I'd want to see more.
Continue to give him really the rest of the you know,
the rest of this season to see what you have.
I feel like to me, Dylan Gabriel is just is
a quality backup and that's who he is and what
he is. Where his shoulder I think has more upsides.
So I'd be curious to see, you know, what does
he look like with this stretch of games and is
it enough to you know, to show you that he

(24:40):
could at least have a chance to compete, if not
be that guy going forward. I'd like to I'd like
to use these games to figure that out.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I mean again, I I don't. I again, I'm just
talking to people. They say he has some traits, but
it has there's there's also a lot of negatives that
have been there. He's missing some of the read stuff
which you can clean up over time. He has to
either be the starter or the they have to move him.
That's my assessment, because you can't.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, that's what to me, Dylan Gabriel has a place.
Dylan Gabriel is the two. He is the two for
this team in the future, he's the He's kind of
like the prototypical backup quarterback to me, Schudour is in
a different boat. He's going to be the starter, or
you try and move him to somebody else that'll give
him him that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 5 (25:22):
He didn't have the same juice or twitch. And I
don't know if that's just the health thing, if it's
getting older, if that's you know, pacing himself through the
season to try and be ready to go for the postseason.
I'm curious to see what he looks like this week
in a big game against the Steelers, because I just
haven't seen that same suddenness and burst and I haven't
seen the ball jump out of his hand either. It
just looks I don't know says he's heard or he's

(25:43):
getting older or what it is, but it just hasn't
been anywhere near his crisp.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
The Kansaity Chiefs, they've lost three out their last four.
Now good news is they get the Texans on Sunday night,
then they get the Chargers at home. They got the Titans.
That looks like a win on the road in the Bronx.
They have three at home and a ninety chance of
winning on the road, but they have dug themselves a
massive hole. Do they have that gear to down shift

(26:11):
to get to the nine or ten wins it's going
to take.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
I don't think they're gonna get by this game. I mean,
if if you told me you're in a do or
die situation, you've got your offensive line issues now with
the left tackle being out and Simmons, and you told me,
I could you know, rank the teams that I'd want
to play, and they got to have it must win game.
The last team I'd want to play right now would
be the Houston Texans. Like, that's not who you want

(26:35):
to see with the way they're humming right now, especially
the way they're rushing the passer. You know, we'll see
maybe they can dig deep and they'll surprise me, but
this feels like a knockout punch to me. That is
not the group you want to see right now.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
All right.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
The the Bears come off a huge win over the Eagles.
They've now won five in a row, They've won nine
of their last ten games, and they come to Green
Bay gonna be cold. They play the pass off of
an unbelievable, unbelievable rushing performance from two running backs for
the Bears, how do they match up with the Packers.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
It's going to be speed versus power. I mean, the
Packers have the fastest front seven, the most athletic front seven,
and the Bears are really running the ball extremely well
in moving people. So it's gonna be, you know, can
can the Packers defense beat them to spots? Or can
the Bears line them up and move them? You know?
I think that's it's really that simple. If they if
they run the ball anywhere near as well, if they

(27:32):
did against Philadelphia, I don't care who they're playing, they
be a tough team to beat. So we'll see if
the Packers and their athleticism can can shoot some gaps
and create some negative plays. That's going to be really
the entire story of that ballgame.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Who usually wins that speed versus power?

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Well, I always say, you know, if I if I
had the choice, it's it's I'm actually going to lean
towards the speed as an overall football team. I think
the best teams that usually you know, have a lot
of speed and play faster than everybody else on the field.
I don't care if you go watch a Pop Warner
game or if you watch a high school game, college game,
or NFL game, it's you know that one as many explosive,

(28:09):
speedy athletes as possible. Then, uh, you know that's where
I tend to lean.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
All right.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Uh, least discussed division is the the NFC West. Right,
NFC West has three teams with nine wins. Okay, but
I just it's so hard to tell who's any good
because their crossovers, you know, is against bad divisions, right,
the NFC South and the the AFC South as well.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Right, So if you had to, you have.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
To rank those three teams, those three teams Seahawks rams
Niners in order in terms of in the playoffs, who
you believe in the most?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Who would it be.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Well to me the Niners would be the three. And
I think it's a really good discussion with one and two.
I can hear arguments both ways. I mean, obviously you'd
lean Stafford over Darnold at the quarterback position. It's just
the overall experience and the way he's played in postseason
and postseason runs including the Super Bowl. I think you'd
lean quarterback there. I think Seattle has the better overall roster.

(29:10):
I think they have the better overall complete defense. So
I picked Seattle to win that division before the year started,
so I'll stick with that. But that's a one A,
one B situation, and I think kind of a clear
line before you get to the to the Niners.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Do you think Mike Tomlins, the coach of the Steelers next.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Year, Well, I mean, we could have been asking this
question for ten years, and you know, it always ends
up going right back where you started. I think if
they don't win the division, if they don't want a
playoff game, you know, I could see that at this
point in time saying okay, this is just go. You know,
this could be an Andy Reid Philly situation where we're

(29:48):
going to be fine, You're gonna be fine, but let's
just agree to kind of, you know, start over here.
It makes it makes a lot of sense if steels
like that's where we are. But I mean that being said,
maybe they've find some magic here, beat the Ravens, go
on and win this division and do something. I just
I don't really see that happening.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I don't either, But again, I'm not sure I believe
in anybody in that in that division, even the Ravens.
As we start out talking about Lamar and what's missing there. DJ,
you're the best. Enjoy your weekend off of for Monday
Night football. Thanks for being our guest.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
I appreciate it. We got the Christian High Patriots in
the Southern California Championship Division five. We got Valley Christian
at Soritos. So big weekend at a.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Jeremiah sorit Torito's College. Is that what it is?

Speaker 5 (30:29):
No, they're playing and they're playing in Critos at Valley
Christian High School there and then they win that one.
They're in the state championship game. Which is where that
I want to say, Long Beach might be a Long
Beach Community College. I don't know where. There's somewhere around there.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
The LBC, the LBC, thanks much. DJ.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
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press with Dan Bayer Any.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
The Press.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
A lot of great matchups Doug in Week fourteen starts
tonight with the Cowboys and Lions. We also have a
battle of rookie quarterback should Sanders and the Browns home
to the Titans and quarterback cam Ward. Now these two,
you remember the offseason they had that special that they
did in working out and preparing for the draft, and

(31:39):
Shador Sanders giving cam Ward the business because he stopped
playing at halftime in their bowl game, cam Ward saying
that your mister checked down. That is his throwing percentage.
Your completion percentage would be ninety percent if he threw
what Shoudur threw well. Shouldor was asked this week if
there's anything special about facing cam Ward and his role

(32:00):
of being the number one overall pick.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
Nah. I think it's not an extra within myself that
I'm thinking though, just playing against another opponent. You know,
it's another week. It's a lot of great quarterbacks you know,
week by week that we play against. So I wouldn't
say this adds anything.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Interesting, you think, he he wants to prove that he's
better than cam Warden. I mean, i'm I I think
most people you want to prove your better than whom ever, but.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yes, I actually I like the answer by Shadul don't too. Yeah,
I think that's that's better. I probably would have said,
why are you focusing on cam Ward when you've got
a football game to win if he didn't answer that way.
So I think his answer was correct. I don't believe him,
but I think his answer was correct.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
If you mean to ask mel Kiper on the twentieth
of April, Hey, the Titans are playing the Browns Week fourteen.
How cool will that be? Those are the two quarterbacks
on your list, the top two quarterbacks, top two picks
in the draft. Are you looking forward to that game?
It'd have been like yeah, because he would have thought
this would have taken a natural progression. They're both drafted

(33:09):
and they play all games. But think about the circuitous
nature that shaduur Sanders took to this game. Nobody would
have predicted this crazy right?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
This is also a game that you thought if Shador
was drafted higher, if you would have been the Browns
first round pick, this would have been like a Week
three game, right, like you would want your young quarterbacks
to face off, but instead we get it in Week fourteen,
and it's probably somewhere around ten eleven, twelve on the
most important games of the upcoming week. All right, let's

(33:47):
get to other news from the NFL Eagles getting set
for a Monday night shownown with the Chargers. Justin Herbert
was taking practice snaps for the Bolts today again with
his hand injury. But the Eagles they're not gonna have
Jalen Carter for that game under what a procedure on
both of his shoulders. ESPN says the goal is for
Carter to be healthy for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I only had two surgeries in my life, right, oral
surgery for my wisdom teeth, which is I mean it's
surgery by definition, but on a sports surgery, and ACL
like four years ago.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Obviously he's an old man. Toward my ACL.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I just can't imagine having and I know there's scopes
and I know that's just like two little dots.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's just amazing though they're Yeah, I'll be ready in
a week or so.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
That's it. This procedures such a very bland term of procedures.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yes, one hundred years ago, they would have amputated your
whole arm.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Jalen Carter doubtful amputation for Monday night against the Chargers,
just kidding. Commander's quarterback Jaden Daniels will full participant in practice.
He looks like he's going to play against the Vikings
on Sunday, and he's likely to go up against JJ
McCarthy battle of two first rounders from the twenty twenty
four draft, as karthy has cleared concussion protocol from Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Well, after watching JJ McCarthy's backup last week, I can
tell you his starting job for the year is very safe.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Very safe.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
The Brozemer experience experiment was very Nathan Peterman like, maybe
not throughout, maybe not five interceptions, but still could have
been worse.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Sanderman's was like five interceptions, like the first half was
there was the four in the first half.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It was bad.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
Quickly.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I know this flipped through the cracks a little bit,
but and I don't know how serious he was, but
Steve Mariucci was like talking to Kurt Warner before that
Vikings game against Seahawks, He's like, he's going to break
the rookie record four hundred and eighty five yards and
he threw four picks a pick six, and he threw
for one hundred and twenty six yards.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
I just thought that that kind of.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Missed it by little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Alabama head coach Calen de Bor said today that he
is extremely happy at Alabama and said, actually, we're extremely happy,
and talking about his family, says there's never been any
link to Penn State, never been any conversation, and never
been any interest in either way. What is in interesting
is NFL insider Jordan Schultz, who's tweeted something out that

(36:05):
Terry Smith, the Penn State interim head coach, is now
receiving interest from Yukon and Memphis about their head coaching vacancies.
So Penn State, if they actually want to keep Terry Smith,
may have to act before Smith takes another job elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I an agent would never text Jordan Schultz something.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
For Jordan first to put it up. Never ever, wouldn't
happen when happened. How about this Lane Kiffin keeping a
low profile. He'll only be on college game Day in
Atlanta for the SEC Championship coming up on Saturday. Smart man,
it's the new Elman LSU head coach.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
First of all, great job by ESPN. Wasn't a hard pull,
but great job by ESPN.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
But great job. And the Cleveland Cavaliers were fined two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. They've played Darius Garland in
a non nationally televised game that the next day they
had a national TV game against Toronto. They didn't play him.
That was the violation. It's actually the second time this
year the Calves have been fined. They had an injury

(37:10):
report designation fine earlier. Now find a quarter of a
million dollars for not playing Darius Garland against the Raptors
on national TV.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
So next time he plays in a back to back
he can say afterwards, I'm just here so all of
us don't get fined.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
And that's the press bag.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Get out there and press. That was the press all right.

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