December 4, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug previews the Thursday Night matchup between the Lions and Cowboys as Dan Beyer brings up a point about Dan Campbell that you may not have thought about before today. Doug takes questions in this installment of "Ask The Coach". Doug welcomes FOX Sports betting analyst Chris Fallica onto the show to discuss the weekend of college football wagering. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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the toilet Bowl if it's bowl game in the NFL,
or it's Shadoor versus cam Ward. Daniel Jeremiah will join
us next hour. We'll get his thoughts on how Shador played. Uh,
And we'll also get you ready for this NFL weekend,
and we'll get a little Herbie update, Little Justin Herbert
playing on a surgically repaired left hand, but expectations are
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he will play this weekend a lot. To get to
what if I told you? What if I told you
that I was going to compare the Dallas Cowboys with
my Green Bay Phoenix, Like, Okay, that's a stretch. No, no, no,
it's it's not really. Uh, there's a an NFL game
night in a college basketball game night, and I kind
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of think I kind of think there's some similarities there.
Jay Stu, you like to pick holes in these things.
You are in search of the opposite of whatever BS is, right,
that's you know you love content. I'm gonna give you
some content. You'd tell me if it's too much of
its armstrong. Tonight, the Dallas Cowboys take out the Detroit Lions.
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Dallas coming off big win on Thanksgiving Day and proving
many myself included, who thought they would they were playing
for a draft pick next year, wrong, that they're actually
pretty good. Now, are they great? No, I don't think
anybody would argue otherwise. But they're way better then I
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would say any of us non Cowboy fans thought possible.
I think that's a very easy like there's grandiose statements
you can make, which people go like, not really, because
as much as I could say they're way better than
anyone would have thought, there's plenty of Dallas Cowboy fans
who think every year like, oh, win super Bowl. So
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when I say they're way better, I mean they're way
better than any of us could have thought could have
fucked And any of us non Cowboy fans. So non
Cowboy fans, if you ask yourself honestly, when they trade
away Micah Parsons, when they hired their offensive coordinator Brian
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Schottenheimer as their head coach, you're like, yeah, it could
be bad this year, bad bad, And they've been pretty good.
But coming off of that win, the key to being
really good is consistency, and you get a chance to
do it against a team who had kind of been
the Darling of the NFL the past couple of years,
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like we could do an entire show on the Lions
on they're going through what the Eagles have gone through,
not just this season, but the previous time they were
in the Super Bowl, where people poach your coordinators and
it takes you a while to kind of figure out
who you are, who's gonna call the plays, what you're
gonna look like, how you're gonna play for the Cowboys,
they haven't. They've they've proven the doubters wrong in terms
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of them stinking. So they're good, they're fine, they're above average,
or they're mediocre their average. You win tonight and you're like, oh, okay,
well that's different, right, that's different. You beat the Chiefs,
and again the Chiefs are not the Chiefs of old,
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but you did beat the Chiefs in the most watched
NFL regular season game in the history of the sport.
Everybody saw it. Now you get a chance to back
it up with a team that also still trying to
find themselves. Okay, so where's the parallel with my team?
I give it to you. We played Robert Morris tonight.
Robert Morris won the league, won the league tournament. Now.
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They've lost most of their team from last year, but
they did have I'm a lot more money than us,
and they went out and got a good and they
have a good team. They're good, just like the Lions
are good. They're still trying to figure out, like who
they are this year as opposed to who they are
last year. They're playing differently. My team, everybody thought are
gonna think gonna be stunk last year. I wouldn't just
think this year. Win a couple of games, all right,
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So we're not as bad as people outside of our
building think. But in order to be considered good, you
got to back it up with consistency. You got to
back it up with some consistency because otherwise it's just
a win and it's just you're not terrible. We can't
make fun of you as much, but we don't necessarily
respect you and think you're good. Same with the Cowboys,
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same with the Green Bay Phoenix. Jase, do, how am
I doing?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
It's good?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
No, I think the analogy face value is accurate. I
think that there are there's quite a bit of difference
in the construct right. Oh yeah, professional sports is different.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
There.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
The Cowboys can switch out all fifty three players this
year as you did, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
But yeah, but but in fairness, like we lost Anthony Roy,
the nation's leading scorer. He's at Oklahoma State now from
last ye year, right, and they trade away Michael Parsons.
I didn't trade again. There are some very loose parallels,
but the point is that's what I feel like tonight's
game is about. For the Cowboys, it's about they've already
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earned at least my respect and I think better. And
Dak Prescott's been really good for the most part this year,
not the whole not the whole season. I've never been
a big Dak guy. I always thought Dak was better
than anybody, kind of like the Cowboys, better than anybody
thought he could be, but not elite. He's looked like
an elite quarterback at many times this year, many times,
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and considering what he's dealing with in terms of the
overall personnel, the defense trying to figure themselves out, you know,
he's done really well. George Pickens, who was a complete
pain of that, you know what with the Pittsburgh Steelers,
has not been a pain. So whatever he's doing off
the field, not just on the field, but get in
the football. But in terms of relationship building with Pickens
has never stepped up and going like hey this guy
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stinks or made a big He hasn't had any of
the stuff that he had in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There's also the lion's side to it, which is I
what I see in Dan Campbell is what uh I
think there's there's it's just interesting and that there's nothing
wrong with the plays that he's calling, but there's a
rhythm to it. They're just plays. There's not an offense.
There's not a we're doing this to come back and
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do that. It's down in distance and play calling and
selection and and and there's. It really is an art.
I mean, it's like if you watch the Browns on
Schdor's first touchdown, Onor's touchdown drive, when you through the
touchdown pass, first eight plays were run place, but they
were all kind of different and you're all like, wow,
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that again, it's all a setup, set up, set up,
set up, setup. You're gonna go here, we're gonna go there,
march down the field, and then right when you think
we're only running the football, boom we get you with
the play action. We score a touchdown. I think Campbell's
not there as a play college, not something he's ever
done before. Again, I can see part of myself in
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that last year. Right now, I have more help. Now,
I have somebody really really helped me and understanding and
even teaching me timing of and I have a better
feel for it. Whereas Dan Campbell's never called plays before,
I've seen people tell him say he should have been
calling plays earlier, maybe or maybe had somebody that he
felt like was more experienced calling plays. Call plays and
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then keep your hands off fit because that's what's worked
for them. But this is an interesting Thursday night football game.
Most of them are not most of them are not
well played, most of the teams are not well rested.
You can't make that case because both of these teams
played last Thursday, so they've had the full amount of rest.
That does not mean that the product will be as
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good as the product should be. But in a game
in which the Lions are sitting there going like we
got in some games where we could fall out of
the playoff, the Cowboys are trying to sneak into the playoffs.
The Cowboys are trying to do more than just earn
everybody's respect. They're trying to prove that they're good. And
the Lions will you to in a row on home
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Gottlieb Show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. H Dan Byer,
what's up, Danny? What he got?
Speaker 6 (09:32):
So what I think is interesting tonight is if you
look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You mentioned Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
There was a point that Dallas had Kellen Moore as
their offensive coordinator and the thought was, oh my goodness,
we can't let Kellen Moore go because look at what
he's doing with this Dallas offense. Well, Kellen Moore was
ultimately let go, and the Cowboys ended up having a
better offense the year after Kellen Moore left than Mike
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McCarthy was looked at, is the guy that is this is?
Well he maybe it was his offense after all. Well,
ultimately McCarthy doesn't return on his contract and Brian Schottenheimer
takes over as the offensive coordinator and so far so good.
To your point about the expectations, my question is this,
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is there going to become a point in Detroit where
they wish they had Ben Johnson instead of Dan Campbell. Yes,
And I think that's probably the case as well. And
I think like tonight is an opportunity for Dan Campbell
to show and the Lions to show that even down
that they still have that pride, that grit and everything
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that came with it. And I think that the reason
why the Lions wouldn't have been gutsy enough to make
that move because it would probably ruin the culture in
the locker room. But if that would have been a
short term thing and you could have kept Ben Johnson
for the long term, maybe that would have been your move.
But I'm wondering if we're seeing two ships passing in
the night tonight, maybe Cowboys ascending, Lions descending. But I
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think now we're going to start to have those conversations
considering how well things have gone for the Bears in
year one with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
In their history for this right that we've seen this
movie before, Right, wasn't didn't wasn't Dick Vermeal convinced to
retire so that Mike martzl could have sent a head coach.
What was is Steve Bolotti convinced to step down or
move aside for Chip Kelly.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yes, Steve, his brother Steve was also in within the
coaching ranks.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, no, no, no, So so this is actually an
interesting discussion. Like a side note, and again, if if
I'm talking too much about my basketball team, you guys
feel free to at least send me a text, or
you can.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Just say it.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I don't care on here, but it is interesting. The
it's the idea when I first took a took a
head coaching job, I said it and I meant it,
which is hire people who know what you don't know
and then let them work. Uh. I just again, it
was a weird time of year and and I thought
I knew what I needed, and in short order, I
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did the best that I could. This year, I feel
like I've done that. Additionally, in addition to hiring somebody
to run the offense, helping with the offense and run
the defense, is I have an understudy on the defense
if and when my defensive coordinator chooses to retire and offensively. Again,
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I would be the de facto and I'm still kind
of de facto play caller, but I've been given so
much help in the building blocks of it and the
teaching of it. I do know what I would be
looking for. I think the Dan Campbell what's happened to
his program, if you will, is he's had incredible success,
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but you have to prepare on some level for the
inevitability of losing players and coaches in that success. And
he's trying to do something that he's never done. That
he doesn't and I'm not saying he does it poorly,
but it's really hard if you haven't done it before
suddenly become a play caller, and then he did in
mid season, and I get it. He played in the league,
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he was a tight end. He's been a head coach
before his interim, he's been a tight ends coach. He
knows generally how it works. But I think that what's
interesting is if you asked any of us without ever
working for Dan Campbell, right, I'll ask you, Dan Byer,
what do you think the what's the secret sauce to
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Dan Campbell? What has made him successful and really really
well liked by the players that seem to play well.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
I think that he's a former player and can connect
with them at that level.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So he is he is. He's a Tomlin type. He
is a John Harbaugh type. A Granted John Harbaugh didn't
play whatever, but he is a guy who you can't
pin down any one thing. He does schematically, he knows football.
But there he gets him to play hard for him,
I play together, play hard, and he gets them to
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believe that. Hey, he hires former players to help be
his coaches. Like he's all about the players, right, that's
the strength. He's not the book nerd, he's not the
play caller, he's not the schematic guy. He's the energy guy. Right,
So you got to hire guys that do all that.
And it feels like he missed on coordinator because he
was super loyal and appointed a guy from within. But
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he wasn't ready for that. And now he's doing something
which is not necessarily what he does best. Whereas Brian Schottenheimer,
I guarantee he didn't touch the defense. He got nothing
to do with the defense. He's got to hire somebody
trust him, and then he handles the offense that and
then generally coaches the team in the way that he
feels best, and he's done a good job at that.
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I just thought there was some parallels there.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
No, I think it's fair.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
I also think when you just look at the situation
on paper, like there's no way that you would fire
Dan Campbell, and the collateral damage of firing Dan Campbell
would maybe crumble everything that he's built. But if you're
a Lions fan and you look at what Ben Jonsonson's
done in year one and what could have continued in Detroit, like,
I think that this season is obviously the start of
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it because Ben Johnson's no longer there and is now
in Chicago and having success. But I mean, should they
have made the really really difficult decision saying we wanted
the offensive coordinator, we didn't want the head coach. And
I know it's crazy it's to sound like that, But
if we look back in five or ten years and
the Bears are having great success and Dan Campbell's message
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gets old and they don't have the success, Detroit's probably
going to rue the day that they let Ben Johnson go.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, I just I agree with you that that will
be probably the sentiment if he doesn't nail the offensive
coordinator higher in the offense season.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
That'll be the hindsight.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, right, But I also don't think it was actually possible.
Like Dan Campbell was so unbelievably well liked and he
got so much of the credit. It's like, you're not wrong,
but they're like, reality is like, you can't fire Dan Campbell.
You just can't, could you? I mean, played babe. At
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some point Ben Johnson wanted to be a head coach.
The Bears was the one he had his eye on,
and that was the one he got. I do think
that making it worse is that he is in Divisions
and I you see him twice and you you're like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But I also don't think there's any reality where they
could have coming off of the first consecutive quality seasons
in our lifetime that the Lions have ever had, Right, Like,
the Lions have literally been a punchline for a long time.
Not as bad for the most part as the Aints
Saints where they are now and where they were when
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we were kids, not as bad as some of these
other teams, but they just consistently sucked for a long time.
You suddenly bring them to you You're the focal point.
You bring them to respectability and then they go like, hey,
we want your offense according to coach, Like, there's just
no reality to it. Even though you're not wrong, you're
actually right, Like in terms of football coach, they had
to have Ben Johnson and not having another guy ready
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when and you had a year lead up. That's the
other part to it. It's like, hey, you had a
year knowing Ben Johnson could have taken a job the
year before, didn't was gonna take a job this year.
You had to have somebody just bollm around, be that
guy and be ready for the second that he takes
the job. And they didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, Tanner Angstrom two left with Aaron Glenn to go
to New York and he was the passing game coordinator
for the Lions under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
So there was more.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
You know, they've lost more on that offensive coaching staff
than just Ben Johnson himself.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
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Speaker 4 (17:47):
Chase do Doug. It's Horizon League twenty twenty five, twenty
twenty six. It begins tonight. You are going up against
the league champs of last seas. We saw them in
the NCAA tournament and Robert Morse. Robert Morse. Now, I
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think we could do this only because it's the start
of league play. I don't want to do it too
often because I think when we do do it, I
want it to be valued. I do have a question.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
There's a question that needs an answer, and the answer
is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give us that answer.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, I'm the head coach.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Hold on, let's ask the coach before I asked my question.
I do want to say I'm very proud of Veto
for including the whistle there at the end. It really
it really sells the imaging. That's industry talk for any
kind of sounding here in the radio show. Imaging coach
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there coming back from the Caribbean, you know, and you've
had some time to sit on it. It was a
very successful journey to the Virgin Islands. What is the
one thing you learned about your team and or players
or coaching staff or schemes that you're like, you know what,
I'm glad we have that. I can't wait to use
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it in conference play.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, we played our last two games without our leading score.
We wanted two games with our leading scorer, Marcus Hall,
and I again, I'm glad we won, but I'm I'm
even more excited that we were able to play without
Marcus because you know, last year we lost Anthony Roy.
The guys really struggled with confidence. I mean, one, we
weren't necessarily talented enough, but two, a lot of it
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was just confidence. So we didn't just win, we showed
that we could win without a a two and a
half year starter, without a preseason first team All League guy,
And I thought that is a huge takeaway that the
construct of this team. And it's again, it's just like
any professional model. You have a certain amount of money,
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and whether I have less money or more money than
other people that I'm not talking about that. What I'm
saying is within the money that I do have, and
we do compensate everybody on our roster on some level
above that of scholarship and grant aid. Do you go
all in on three guys and have three guys that
are maybe above your level, and then the rest of
the guys, you know, you just have them fight for
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scraps or do you try and have more talent overall,
but some of that talent may not play as much.
And that's what I chose to do, which so I
chose to have a deeper roster instead of a top
heavy roster, and I think that ended up helping me.
It was a obviously there's some confirmation bias too, but
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it confirmed that that was a smart approach. Especially I thought, Look,
I thought going into that tournament we would struggle to
win a game and our best shot would be the
third game when we had better depth and I know
I can keep the guys playing hard. Turned out that
we were right there in the first game, could have
won it, won the second game, and won the third game. Whatever.
But I do think the depth of the roster was
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on display.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Dan Byer, Yes, Dan Byer, Fox Sports Radio Coach. You
had a player, Dontrell Hewlett, suffered a significant injury in
a game against Saint Thomas. But it also feels that
after the game of that game, your season has taken
a different turn. Is there any correlation between the two events.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, I just saw Dontrell by the way, so it
does suck to say this, but yeah, it helped us one.
You know, it helped motivate some of those guys that hey,
look man, dontrelle was playing and working towards being a starter,
was a partial starter, and now he's not going to
play the rest of this year, so the tomorrow's never promising.
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But he was kind of fighting for minutes with two
other point guards, and when you took out of the mix,
it became much easier and it allowed me to tighten
up the rotation. So it's not as much him as
much as it was one less person, because one of
the issues when you have ten, eleven, twelve guys who
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you feel like can all play, is at some point
you're gonna have to tell somebody who think is good
enough they can't play right now. And it made it
easier for me because now I only had really two
to three point guards to pick from, and I moved
Preston Ruinger back over to the starting point. Lebron Thomas
became sort of his backup. They actually started together in
several of these games, but the taking one guy who
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was playing somewhere between fifteen and twenty two to twenty
three minutes a game. Though we miss his athletic ability.
He is a tremendous athlete downhill driver. It is one
less guy to work in and it made it easier
to kind of contract our rotation is it's a really
good point and that has happened.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, the coach Sam Kinsley from the Tumwa is It
Dispatch Union Tribune. I see your your slight favorite in
this game? Is this the first time as you coach
at UW Green Bay? You guys have been a favorite.
How does that feel? What do you tell your players?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't even know.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Oh, I just I just poisoned the well.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I don't think you. To be honest, I might see
it's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It's not not true. That feel good?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
But how do you keep that in? Coaches know, they
just may not say that. They don't.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Hey, listen, Coach Sutton used to it never worked in
our favor. Whatever the line was right, like if we
were we're getting ready to play Oklahoma where a six
point Vegas thinks you're a six point They don't know
you are terrible. You they don't know anything about this?
How good? The Sooners are, and then if you were
an underdog, he would say, even Vegas doesn't think you're
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any good. It never worked to our favorite. So Coach
Sutton alwaysknew the lines. I generally do know the lines,
and I you know, it's hard, but like when you're
constantly a massive underdog, you sit there and go like, hey,
we're a fricking underdog. Man, We're way better than this,
But you can't say anything, and I don't know. So
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what does it mean? Again? It means that Vegas doesn't
know anything because most of us don't know. We don't
know what team we have until we get into conference play,
and even then we have these three conference games, then
we play a couple out of conference games. I guess
we'll we'll find out. But you don't really know what
team you have until you get back from Christmas, and
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even then sometimes it evolved. So what does it mean.
It just means that we played a couple of good
games in the Virgin Islands and that people are trying
to figure out home road what everybody has working.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
And Coach one last thing, I noticed the Minnesota Golden
Gophers beat ranked Indiana last night, and you took them
to overtime a few weeks ago about that.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Let's let's let's not do transitive property, right, Let's not
do transit.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Let's let's not poison well.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Saint Thomas lost last night and they they they housed us.
It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and
we get the Bear Chris Felika Bear Bets podcast. Of course,
you see him on Big neon Kickoff and he joins
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we got Friday and Saturday games galore, and they're all
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important ones. Let's start with Troy James Madison as JMU
is going to lose their coach to UCLA, but not
before they play for a sun Belt Championship. The Fun
Belt champions is the Dukes of JMU. They're a twenty
three and a half point favorite and the total is
only forty seven and a half. Who do you like, Chris?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, this is a this is a game that I
can see getting out of hand very quickly. It seems
like JMU and they're going to bet everything all the
right way in handling the coaching transition and letting Chesney
coach Troy is not the second best team in the Sunbelt.
Though they're their only conference, it still has divisions. Old
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again is the second best team in that league. Oldaminion
beat Troy by thirty some more points earlier this year.
This is gonna be a bubble out. I can't see
Troy keeping this close. Everything that my colleague Sammy p
if Barbett says he's got some in there at JMU,
and he tells me that this is this is a
lay in the laugh type of game. So I'm going
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at trust Sammy Pee and pick the duke's here.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
All right, fair enough, Let's get to North Texas two lane.
Both schools are losing their coaches. North Texas to Miles
Mounter Oaklam the State tu Lane to Florida. The Mean
Green are two and a half point favorites. The total
is sixty seven and a half. This is the American
Athletic Conference, which has been rated by the Big Boys
for their coaches. Again, North Texas two and a half
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point favorite. Who do you like?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I can see I was a little surprised actually that
Tulane was a home underdog here two and a half.
I know they got blown out by Ole Miss earlier
in the year, but they didn't beat Duke, and I
think we can maybe see Tulane get the home win
here a little little minor upset. You've seen these short
dogs in conference championship weekend the last couple of years.
(27:09):
A lot of them have won outright, I think the
last the last five years or so, like under conference
co championship game underdogs three points or fewer, or like
eleven and three outright, it's something ridiculous like that. I
have the note in my bare Bets column that's going
to be posting. But I think if you look at
what Tulane did a few weeks back in a road
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game at Memphis, a good offense. They play really a
lot of complimentary football, a lot of Jake Rutz left running,
a lot of quarterback run, a lot of short passes
just to keep the opponent off the field. They can
employ a game plan like that. I think they have
an excellent chance to win, and I like it. I
like the way that the twent administration and John summerl
basically come together for the best to benefit of the
(27:54):
program and kind of say go go finish what you started.
So yeah, give me Twain pull the small home upset here.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Stug Ottleab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Chris Felika
joins US Bear Bets podcast as his podcast course. You
can see him on Big nowon Kickoff. Let's get to
the Big Twelve Championship. Tech welcomes in BYU clients Hockey
will stay Texas team that you know, whoever wins, is
going to be in the College Fotball playoff. If Tech loses,
still probably in the College Fball playoff. So this is
(28:22):
for two Big twelve teams to get in Techa twelve
and a half point favorite forty nine and a half
is the total. Who do you like?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I just can't see any reason to think that the
result from the first meeting this year is going to
reverse itself. Yeah, it was twenty nine to seven at
very easily could have been much worse than that. Texas
Tech left a lot of points on the board with
a couple of installed drives in the red zone. And
I don't know if Chase roberts BYU's best wide receiver
(28:49):
is going to play. He got hurt in Cincinnati game
with the hamstring injury, didn't play it last week, so
I don't know the status of him and Without him,
they're going to have a massive problem to move the
ball and score points. I'd be shocked if Texas Tech
let this one get through their fingers and blow a
great opportunity to win the Big twelve wild get to
the coul Turball playoffs.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Georgia Albama for the SEC Championship. George is a two
and a half point favorite totals forty eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I like the first half under in this game. That's
the side I like anytime again. Anytime you see those
favorites under a field goal, I get a little wheezy
and concerned about wanting to lay points. But if you
look at the way Alabama has been playing offensively lately,
ty Simpson has been very sloppy with the football and
(29:38):
sacked a lot. They have had trouble finishing off drives
at scoring points. Second half of that first game in
the season this year against Georgia, really Georgia defense really
a really good job of figuring them out and slowed
them down and shut them down completely. In the second half.
George defense has gotten better, And on the flip side,
(29:58):
I wonder about Georgia offensive league. They lost their starting
center Drew Bobo last week really struggled. I think they
had joudred and fifty yards last week against the Georgia
Tech defense that teams were lighting up left and right.
I can see this being a very slow starting offensive
type games until both offensive strength figure things out in
(30:19):
the second half. So I'm going to go up first
half under here and it would not surprise me either
way a winner here. And what I am curious about
is Alabama. If they win, do they go all the
way up to potentially number four to get a first
round playoff by and if they lose, they become nine
to three. And I know you don't want to fault
a conference championship game a loser, but third loss might
(30:42):
that break that Florida State loss into the play into
the fray end of the conversation room for a colleg
football at large pers But a lot of storylines here
in that SEC.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Game Duke Virginia, the Wahoo's are a four point favorite.
Total is a high number fifty seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Well, I have joked about this and I don't have
a play on this game. Duke has been a team
that I have been unable to figure out properly all
year long. I've joked about Manny Diaz's phone number being
caller ID blocked in a race from my memory, So
Virginia won and dominated the first meeting of the year.
(31:21):
Be great story Virginia Tony Ella ready to run him
out of town a couple of years ago if they
could go on here win and to the COAF Football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Okay, the Big One on Fox Indiana Ohio State Big
Ten Championship game at Lucas Oil number one versus number two,
although I don't I don't think if you pulled most
people they think Indiana's the second best team in the country.
But with a win, it becomes hard to argue. Right
to win at Oregon and a win against Ohio State
in Indianapolis, and they would be the number one seed
(31:52):
head in the College fall Playoff. Ohio State's a four
point favorite, the totals forty seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
You hit on something right there that I think is
important in this game, Like if you're Indiana, you are
never going to get another opportunity to go thirteen to zero,
win the Big Ten, be the number one seed in
the College Football Playoff, and be number one of the
AP Paul like it is arguably the biggest game in
Indiana football history if they can pull the small upset here,
(32:20):
and I think it's a good spot for them psychologically
to be able to do it because you're Ohio State,
you haven't beaten Michigan in forever. The emotional baggage that
got that game carried, and you finally get the win
in Ann Arbor last week. You have the weight of
the world off your shoulders. Now you have the college
football playoffs coming up to defending national champion. That's what
(32:44):
you're getting ready for. And here you have kind of
Indiana okay whatever, Big Ten championship. Not not saying they don't care,
but it's like this is like a game that you
could easily see them letting up on. But I don't
know if the leadership of players like downs and such
or is going to allow that to happen. I think
Indiana if you look at the way they've run the
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ball against some of the better teams this year, Penn State, Oregon,
there was another game in there too that they struggled
really running the ball, and I don't know if they're
going to be able to move it against the highest stake.
He thinks it hasn't allowed more than sixteen points all year.
I'd lay three and a half a couple of weeks
ago on the look aheadline with the buck Eyes, and
I would continue. I'd lay the four here with Ohio State.
(33:28):
I do think that they are the better team. I
think they'll get the win.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Chris, You've had a great year. You've really helped us
out here in radio. I encourage everybody to download the
Bare Beets podcast because it doesn't stop now right, We've
got more football games, more things to bet on. But
I just want to thank you for joining us and
look forward to seeing you this weekend. Thanks for being
our guest.
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Speaker 5 (35:11):
All right, Doug, the game on this Thursday.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Is I feel a draft?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
No, I was gonna make.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
This just NFL, but I'm like, why not do it
in all sports at all levels, favorite or famous assistant coaches.
This kind of coming off of our discussion at the
top of the show. Doug, you are the first pick.
I'll take the second pick, Samus third, Jason is fourth,
and we will snake it back the other way around.
All right, Doug, favorite famous assistant coaches. They could have
(35:40):
gone on to bigger and better things, but I want
you to mention when they were an assistant coach.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Maurice Frederick Winter. Maurice Frederick Winter, his nickname was techs
text Winner Okay, was head coach for a long time
in college basketball. My dad was an assistant long beach
famously assistant head coach at Kansas State when they went
to the Final four. But Maurice Frederick tex Winner famously
(36:07):
implemented the triangle offense for Phil Jackson in both Chicago
and with the LA Lakers eleven championships later. Maurice Frederick
Winter tech Winter is my answer.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Now I'm up at number two, and I'm just gonna
say this. I know he was.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I felt like this is where the coaching tree really
kind of started. I'm going Mike Holmgren offensive coordinator to
Bill Walsh with the forty nine ers, because I think
that's when we really started to look at coaching trees,
and then Holmgren's coaching tree was enormous. So give me
Mike Holmgren when he was a member of the forty
nine ers At number two, Sam, I'm.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Going to go with former Iowa quarterback Tom Moore, who
went on, who's still working at eighty seven. He's a
consultant with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He won four Super
Bowls as an assistant coach in the NFL. Tom Moore
still worked at eighty seven. Coached Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Great quarterback coach. Yep, no question.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I think we're being very loose with the term famous.
To be honest, this is how I took this, uh
this game today. People who are famous, who were assistant coaches.
That's a totally different draft. So I've been thinking of
the wrong thing. Uh this more gentleman that Sam just
said it was the opposite of famous.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Now probably win football.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
He's a yeah in football.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
In football circles, he's very famous. I thought, Yeah, famous
worldwide is where I got Anyway, what assistants are famous worldwide.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's like that's like somebody's French dip is world famous,
but it's not really world famous anyway, Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I was gonna say Mark McGuire because he was famous, famously,
notorious and an assistant coach. But I'll redo it. I'll
redo my draft. Bill Belichick and Nick Saban. Who are
those guys? Oh, just just the two people that won
the most games in their respective sports.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right, they weren't famous as assistant coaches. I'll give you
another one. I'll give you my other pictures run at
that time, Buddy Ryan, Buddy Ryan became a head coach,
but Buddy Ryan was famous for the four six defense
with the Bears.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Buddy right, I was gonna say when Kevin Gilbride because
Buddy Ryan bunched him on the sideline in Houston.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Remember, did you have another one? Sam Well? This is
a Homer pick.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Joe Philbin won a Super Bowl with the Packers and
was offn coach.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
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(01:10):
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And we'll also get you ready for this NFL weekend,
and we'll get a little Herbie update, Little Justin Herbert
playing on a surgically repaired left hand, but expectations are
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he will play this weekend a lot. To get to
what if I told you? What if I told you
that I was going to compare the Dallas Cowboys with
my Green Bay Phoenix, Like, Okay, that's a stretch. No, no, no,
it's it's not really. Uh, there's a an NFL game
night in a college basketball game night, and I kind
(01:51):
of think I kind of think there's some similarities there.
Jay Stu, you like to pick holes in these things.
You are in search of the opposite of whatever BS is, right,
that's you know you love content. I'm gonna give you
some content. You'd tell me if it's too much of
its armstrong. Tonight, the Dallas Cowboys take out the Detroit Lions.
(02:13):
Dallas coming off big win on Thanksgiving Day and proving
many myself included, who thought they would they were playing
for a draft pick next year, wrong, that they're actually
pretty good. Now, are they great? No, I don't think
anybody would argue otherwise. But they're way better then I
(02:33):
would say any of us non Cowboy fans thought possible.
I think that's a very easy like there's grandiose statements
you can make, which people go like, not really, because
as much as I could say they're way better than
anyone would have thought, there's plenty of Dallas Cowboy fans
who think every year like, oh, win super Bowl. So
(02:54):
when I say they're way better, I mean they're way
better than any of us could have thought could have
fucked And any of us non Cowboy fans. So non
Cowboy fans, if you ask yourself honestly, when they trade
away Micah Parsons, when they hired their offensive coordinator Brian
(03:18):
Schottenheimer as their head coach, you're like, yeah, it could
be bad this year, bad bad, And they've been pretty good.
But coming off of that win, the key to being
really good is consistency, and you get a chance to
do it against a team who had kind of been
the Darling of the NFL the past couple of years,
(03:39):
like we could do an entire show on the Lions
on they're going through what the Eagles have gone through,
not just this season, but the previous time they were
in the Super Bowl, where people poach your coordinators and
it takes you a while to kind of figure out
who you are, who's gonna call the plays, what you're
gonna look like, how you're gonna play for the Cowboys,
they haven't. They've they've proven the doubters wrong in terms
(04:01):
of them stinking. So they're good, they're fine, they're above average,
or they're mediocre their average. You win tonight and you're like, oh, okay,
well that's different, right, that's different. You beat the Chiefs,
and again the Chiefs are not the Chiefs of old,
(04:22):
but you did beat the Chiefs in the most watched
NFL regular season game in the history of the sport.
Everybody saw it. Now you get a chance to back
it up with a team that also still trying to
find themselves. Okay, so where's the parallel with my team?
I give it to you. We played Robert Morris tonight.
Robert Morris won the league, won the league tournament. Now.
(04:42):
They've lost most of their team from last year, but
they did have I'm a lot more money than us,
and they went out and got a good and they
have a good team. They're good, just like the Lions
are good. They're still trying to figure out, like who
they are this year as opposed to who they are
last year. They're playing differently. My team, everybody thought are
gonna think gonna be stunk last year. I wouldn't just
think this year. Win a couple of games, all right,
(05:05):
So we're not as bad as people outside of our
building think. But in order to be considered good, you
got to back it up with consistency. You got to
back it up with some consistency because otherwise it's just
a win and it's just you're not terrible. We can't
make fun of you as much, but we don't necessarily
respect you and think you're good. Same with the Cowboys,
(05:28):
same with the Green Bay Phoenix. Jase, do, how am
I doing?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
It's good?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
No, I think the analogy face value is accurate. I
think that there are there's quite a bit of difference
in the construct right. Oh yeah, professional sports is different.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
There.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
The Cowboys can switch out all fifty three players this
year as you did, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
But yeah, but but in fairness, like we lost Anthony Roy,
the nation's leading scorer. He's at Oklahoma State now from
last ye year, right, and they trade away Michael Parsons.
I didn't trade again. There are some very loose parallels,
but the point is that's what I feel like tonight's
game is about. For the Cowboys, it's about they've already
(06:15):
earned at least my respect and I think better. And
Dak Prescott's been really good for the most part this year,
not the whole not the whole season. I've never been
a big Dak guy. I always thought Dak was better
than anybody, kind of like the Cowboys, better than anybody
thought he could be, but not elite. He's looked like
an elite quarterback at many times this year, many times,
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and considering what he's dealing with in terms of the
overall personnel, the defense trying to figure themselves out, you know,
he's done really well. George Pickens, who was a complete
pain of that, you know what with the Pittsburgh Steelers,
has not been a pain. So whatever he's doing off
the field, not just on the field, but get in
the football. But in terms of relationship building with Pickens
has never stepped up and going like hey this guy
(06:58):
stinks or made a big He hasn't had any of
the stuff that he had in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There's also the lion's side to it, which is I
what I see in Dan Campbell is what uh I
think there's there's it's just interesting and that there's nothing
wrong with the plays that he's calling, but there's a
rhythm to it. They're just plays. There's not an offense.
There's not a we're doing this to come back and
(07:28):
do that. It's down in distance and play calling and
selection and and and there's. It really is an art.
I mean, it's like if you watch the Browns on
Schdor's first touchdown, Onor's touchdown drive, when you through the
touchdown pass, first eight plays were run place, but they
were all kind of different and you're all like, wow,
(07:48):
that again, it's all a setup, set up, set up,
set up, setup. You're gonna go here, we're gonna go there,
march down the field, and then right when you think
we're only running the football, boom we get you with
the play action. We score a touchdown. I think Campbell's
not there as a play college, not something he's ever
done before. Again, I can see part of myself in
(08:08):
that last year. Right now, I have more help. Now,
I have somebody really really helped me and understanding and
even teaching me timing of and I have a better
feel for it. Whereas Dan Campbell's never called plays before,
I've seen people tell him say he should have been
calling plays earlier, maybe or maybe had somebody that he
felt like was more experienced calling plays. Call plays and
(08:31):
then keep your hands off fit because that's what's worked
for them. But this is an interesting Thursday night football game.
Most of them are not most of them are not
well played, most of the teams are not well rested.
You can't make that case because both of these teams
played last Thursday, so they've had the full amount of rest.
That does not mean that the product will be as
(08:53):
good as the product should be. But in a game
in which the Lions are sitting there going like we
got in some games where we could fall out of
the playoff, the Cowboys are trying to sneak into the playoffs.
The Cowboys are trying to do more than just earn
everybody's respect. They're trying to prove that they're good. And
the Lions will you to in a row on home
would be bad? Would just be bad. Sesame straight helped
(09:16):
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what's up, Danny? What he got?
Speaker 6 (09:32):
So what I think is interesting tonight is if you
look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You mentioned Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
There was a point that Dallas had Kellen Moore as
their offensive coordinator and the thought was, oh my goodness,
we can't let Kellen Moore go because look at what
he's doing with this Dallas offense. Well, Kellen Moore was
ultimately let go, and the Cowboys ended up having a
better offense the year after Kellen Moore left than Mike
(09:58):
McCarthy was looked at, is the guy that is this is?
Well he maybe it was his offense after all. Well,
ultimately McCarthy doesn't return on his contract and Brian Schottenheimer
takes over as the offensive coordinator and so far so good.
To your point about the expectations, my question is this,
(10:18):
is there going to become a point in Detroit where
they wish they had Ben Johnson instead of Dan Campbell. Yes,
And I think that's probably the case as well. And
I think like tonight is an opportunity for Dan Campbell
to show and the Lions to show that even down
that they still have that pride, that grit and everything
(10:40):
that came with it. And I think that the reason
why the Lions wouldn't have been gutsy enough to make
that move because it would probably ruin the culture in
the locker room. But if that would have been a
short term thing and you could have kept Ben Johnson
for the long term, maybe that would have been your move.
But I'm wondering if we're seeing two ships passing in
the night tonight, maybe Cowboys ascending, Lions descending. But I
(11:00):
think now we're going to start to have those conversations
considering how well things have gone for the Bears in
year one with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
In their history for this right that we've seen this
movie before, Right, wasn't didn't wasn't Dick Vermeal convinced to
retire so that Mike martzl could have sent a head coach.
What was is Steve Bolotti convinced to step down or
move aside for Chip Kelly.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yes, Steve, his brother Steve was also in within the
coaching ranks.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, no, no, no, So so this is actually an
interesting discussion. Like a side note, and again, if if
I'm talking too much about my basketball team, you guys
feel free to at least send me a text, or
you can.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Just say it.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I don't care on here, but it is interesting. The
it's the idea when I first took a took a
head coaching job, I said it and I meant it,
which is hire people who know what you don't know
and then let them work. Uh. I just again, it
was a weird time of year and and I thought
I knew what I needed, and in short order, I
(12:03):
did the best that I could. This year, I feel
like I've done that. Additionally, in addition to hiring somebody
to run the offense, helping with the offense and run
the defense, is I have an understudy on the defense
if and when my defensive coordinator chooses to retire and offensively. Again,
(12:23):
I would be the de facto and I'm still kind
of de facto play caller, but I've been given so
much help in the building blocks of it and the
teaching of it. I do know what I would be
looking for. I think the Dan Campbell what's happened to
his program, if you will, is he's had incredible success,
(12:43):
but you have to prepare on some level for the
inevitability of losing players and coaches in that success. And
he's trying to do something that he's never done. That
he doesn't and I'm not saying he does it poorly,
but it's really hard if you haven't done it before
suddenly become a play caller, and then he did in
mid season, and I get it. He played in the league,
(13:05):
he was a tight end. He's been a head coach
before his interim, he's been a tight ends coach. He
knows generally how it works. But I think that what's
interesting is if you asked any of us without ever
working for Dan Campbell, right, I'll ask you, Dan Byer,
what do you think the what's the secret sauce to
(13:26):
Dan Campbell? What has made him successful and really really
well liked by the players that seem to play well.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
I think that he's a former player and can connect
with them at that level.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So he is he is. He's a Tomlin type. He
is a John Harbaugh type. A Granted John Harbaugh didn't
play whatever, but he is a guy who you can't
pin down any one thing. He does schematically, he knows football.
But there he gets him to play hard for him,
I play together, play hard, and he gets them to
(13:58):
believe that. Hey, he hires former players to help be
his coaches. Like he's all about the players, right, that's
the strength. He's not the book nerd, he's not the
play caller, he's not the schematic guy. He's the energy guy. Right,
So you got to hire guys that do all that.
And it feels like he missed on coordinator because he
was super loyal and appointed a guy from within. But
(14:19):
he wasn't ready for that. And now he's doing something
which is not necessarily what he does best. Whereas Brian Schottenheimer,
I guarantee he didn't touch the defense. He got nothing
to do with the defense. He's got to hire somebody
trust him, and then he handles the offense that and
then generally coaches the team in the way that he
feels best, and he's done a good job at that.
(14:43):
I just thought there was some parallels there.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
No, I think it's fair.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
I also think when you just look at the situation
on paper, like there's no way that you would fire
Dan Campbell, and the collateral damage of firing Dan Campbell
would maybe crumble everything that he's built. But if you're
a Lions fan and you look at what Ben Jonsonson's
done in year one and what could have continued in Detroit, like,
I think that this season is obviously the start of
(15:07):
it because Ben Johnson's no longer there and is now
in Chicago and having success. But I mean, should they
have made the really really difficult decision saying we wanted
the offensive coordinator, we didn't want the head coach. And
I know it's crazy it's to sound like that, But
if we look back in five or ten years and
the Bears are having great success and Dan Campbell's message
(15:28):
gets old and they don't have the success, Detroit's probably
going to rue the day that they let Ben Johnson go.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, I just I agree with you that that will
be probably the sentiment if he doesn't nail the offensive
coordinator higher in the offense season.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
That'll be the hindsight.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, right, But I also don't think it was actually possible.
Like Dan Campbell was so unbelievably well liked and he
got so much of the credit. It's like, you're not wrong,
but they're like, reality is like, you can't fire Dan Campbell.
You just can't, could you? I mean, played babe. At
(16:09):
some point Ben Johnson wanted to be a head coach.
The Bears was the one he had his eye on,
and that was the one he got. I do think
that making it worse is that he is in Divisions
and I you see him twice and you you're like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But I also don't think there's any reality where they
could have coming off of the first consecutive quality seasons
in our lifetime that the Lions have ever had, Right, Like,
the Lions have literally been a punchline for a long time.
Not as bad for the most part as the Aints
Saints where they are now and where they were when
(16:42):
we were kids, not as bad as some of these
other teams, but they just consistently sucked for a long time.
You suddenly bring them to you You're the focal point.
You bring them to respectability and then they go like, hey,
we want your offense according to coach, Like, there's just
no reality to it. Even though you're not wrong, you're
actually right, Like in terms of football coach, they had
to have Ben Johnson and not having another guy ready
(17:05):
when and you had a year lead up. That's the
other part to it. It's like, hey, you had a
year knowing Ben Johnson could have taken a job the
year before, didn't was gonna take a job this year.
You had to have somebody just bollm around, be that
guy and be ready for the second that he takes
the job. And they didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, Tanner Angstrom two left with Aaron Glenn to go
to New York and he was the passing game coordinator
for the Lions under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
So there was more.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
You know, they've lost more on that offensive coaching staff
than just Ben Johnson himself.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
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Speaker 4 (17:47):
Chase do Doug. It's Horizon League twenty twenty five, twenty
twenty six. It begins tonight. You are going up against
the league champs of last seas. We saw them in
the NCAA tournament and Robert Morse. Robert Morse. Now, I
(18:11):
think we could do this only because it's the start
of league play. I don't want to do it too
often because I think when we do do it, I
want it to be valued. I do have a question.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
There's a question that needs an answer, and the answer
is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give us that answer.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, I'm the head coach.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Hold on, let's ask the coach before I asked my question.
I do want to say I'm very proud of Veto
for including the whistle there at the end. It really
it really sells the imaging. That's industry talk for any
kind of sounding here in the radio show. Imaging coach
(18:55):
there coming back from the Caribbean, you know, and you've
had some time to sit on it. It was a
very successful journey to the Virgin Islands. What is the
one thing you learned about your team and or players
or coaching staff or schemes that you're like, you know what,
I'm glad we have that. I can't wait to use
(19:19):
it in conference play.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, we played our last two games without our leading score.
We wanted two games with our leading scorer, Marcus Hall,
and I again, I'm glad we won, but I'm I'm
even more excited that we were able to play without
Marcus because you know, last year we lost Anthony Roy.
The guys really struggled with confidence. I mean, one, we
weren't necessarily talented enough, but two, a lot of it
(19:44):
was just confidence. So we didn't just win, we showed
that we could win without a a two and a
half year starter, without a preseason first team All League guy,
And I thought that is a huge takeaway that the
construct of this team. And it's again, it's just like
any professional model. You have a certain amount of money,
(20:05):
and whether I have less money or more money than
other people that I'm not talking about that. What I'm
saying is within the money that I do have, and
we do compensate everybody on our roster on some level
above that of scholarship and grant aid. Do you go
all in on three guys and have three guys that
are maybe above your level, and then the rest of
the guys, you know, you just have them fight for
(20:26):
scraps or do you try and have more talent overall,
but some of that talent may not play as much.
And that's what I chose to do, which so I
chose to have a deeper roster instead of a top
heavy roster, and I think that ended up helping me.
It was a obviously there's some confirmation bias too, but
(20:47):
it confirmed that that was a smart approach. Especially I thought, Look,
I thought going into that tournament we would struggle to
win a game and our best shot would be the
third game when we had better depth and I know
I can keep the guys playing hard. Turned out that
we were right there in the first game, could have
won it, won the second game, and won the third game. Whatever.
But I do think the depth of the roster was
(21:10):
on display.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Dan Byer, Yes, Dan Byer, Fox Sports Radio Coach. You
had a player, Dontrell Hewlett, suffered a significant injury in
a game against Saint Thomas. But it also feels that
after the game of that game, your season has taken
a different turn. Is there any correlation between the two events.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, I just saw Dontrell by the way, so it
does suck to say this, but yeah, it helped us one.
You know, it helped motivate some of those guys that hey,
look man, dontrelle was playing and working towards being a starter,
was a partial starter, and now he's not going to
play the rest of this year, so the tomorrow's never promising.
(21:53):
But he was kind of fighting for minutes with two
other point guards, and when you took out of the mix,
it became much easier and it allowed me to tighten
up the rotation. So it's not as much him as
much as it was one less person, because one of
the issues when you have ten, eleven, twelve guys who
(22:14):
you feel like can all play, is at some point
you're gonna have to tell somebody who think is good
enough they can't play right now. And it made it
easier for me because now I only had really two
to three point guards to pick from, and I moved
Preston Ruinger back over to the starting point. Lebron Thomas
became sort of his backup. They actually started together in
several of these games, but the taking one guy who
(22:38):
was playing somewhere between fifteen and twenty two to twenty
three minutes a game. Though we miss his athletic ability.
He is a tremendous athlete downhill driver. It is one
less guy to work in and it made it easier
to kind of contract our rotation is it's a really
good point and that has happened.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, the coach Sam Kinsley from the Tumwa is It
Dispatch Union Tribune. I see your your slight favorite in
this game? Is this the first time as you coach
at UW Green Bay? You guys have been a favorite.
How does that feel? What do you tell your players?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't even know.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Oh, I just I just poisoned the well.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I don't think you. To be honest, I might see
it's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It's not not true. That feel good?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
But how do you keep that in? Coaches know, they
just may not say that. They don't.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Hey, listen, Coach Sutton used to it never worked in
our favor. Whatever the line was right, like if we
were we're getting ready to play Oklahoma where a six
point Vegas thinks you're a six point They don't know
you are terrible. You they don't know anything about this?
How good? The Sooners are, and then if you were
an underdog, he would say, even Vegas doesn't think you're
(23:48):
any good. It never worked to our favorite. So Coach
Sutton alwaysknew the lines. I generally do know the lines,
and I you know, it's hard, but like when you're
constantly a massive underdog, you sit there and go like, hey,
we're a fricking underdog. Man, We're way better than this,
But you can't say anything, and I don't know. So
(24:10):
what does it mean? Again? It means that Vegas doesn't
know anything because most of us don't know. We don't
know what team we have until we get into conference play,
and even then we have these three conference games, then
we play a couple out of conference games. I guess
we'll we'll find out. But you don't really know what
team you have until you get back from Christmas, and
(24:30):
even then sometimes it evolved. So what does it mean.
It just means that we played a couple of good
games in the Virgin Islands and that people are trying
to figure out home road what everybody has working.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
And Coach one last thing, I noticed the Minnesota Golden
Gophers beat ranked Indiana last night, and you took them
to overtime a few weeks ago about that.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Let's let's let's not do transitive property, right, Let's not
do transit.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Let's let's not poison well.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Saint Thomas lost last night and they they they housed us.
It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and
we get the Bear Chris Felika Bear Bets podcast. Of course,
you see him on Big neon Kickoff and he joins
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we got Friday and Saturday games galore, and they're all
(25:17):
important ones. Let's start with Troy James Madison as JMU
is going to lose their coach to UCLA, but not
before they play for a sun Belt Championship. The Fun
Belt champions is the Dukes of JMU. They're a twenty
three and a half point favorite and the total is
only forty seven and a half. Who do you like, Chris?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, this is a this is a game that I
can see getting out of hand very quickly. It seems
like JMU and they're going to bet everything all the
right way in handling the coaching transition and letting Chesney
coach Troy is not the second best team in the Sunbelt.
Though they're their only conference, it still has divisions. Old
(26:00):
again is the second best team in that league. Oldaminion
beat Troy by thirty some more points earlier this year.
This is gonna be a bubble out. I can't see
Troy keeping this close. Everything that my colleague Sammy p
if Barbett says he's got some in there at JMU,
and he tells me that this is this is a
lay in the laugh type of game. So I'm going
(26:21):
at trust Sammy Pee and pick the duke's here.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
All right, fair enough, Let's get to North Texas two lane.
Both schools are losing their coaches. North Texas to Miles
Mounter Oaklam the State tu Lane to Florida. The Mean
Green are two and a half point favorites. The total
is sixty seven and a half. This is the American
Athletic Conference, which has been rated by the Big Boys
for their coaches. Again, North Texas two and a half
(26:45):
point favorite. Who do you like?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I can see I was a little surprised actually that
Tulane was a home underdog here two and a half.
I know they got blown out by Ole Miss earlier
in the year, but they didn't beat Duke, and I
think we can maybe see Tulane get the home win
here a little little minor upset. You've seen these short
dogs in conference championship weekend the last couple of years.
(27:09):
A lot of them have won outright, I think the
last the last five years or so, like under conference
co championship game underdogs three points or fewer, or like
eleven and three outright, it's something ridiculous like that. I
have the note in my bare Bets column that's going
to be posting. But I think if you look at
what Tulane did a few weeks back in a road
(27:32):
game at Memphis, a good offense. They play really a
lot of complimentary football, a lot of Jake Rutz left running,
a lot of quarterback run, a lot of short passes
just to keep the opponent off the field. They can
employ a game plan like that. I think they have
an excellent chance to win, and I like it. I
like the way that the twent administration and John summerl
basically come together for the best to benefit of the
(27:54):
program and kind of say go go finish what you started.
So yeah, give me Twain pull the small home upset here.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Stug Ottleab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Chris Felika
joins US Bear Bets podcast as his podcast course. You
can see him on Big nowon Kickoff. Let's get to
the Big Twelve Championship. Tech welcomes in BYU clients Hockey
will stay Texas team that you know, whoever wins, is
going to be in the College Fotball playoff. If Tech loses,
still probably in the College Fball playoff. So this is
(28:22):
for two Big twelve teams to get in Techa twelve
and a half point favorite forty nine and a half
is the total. Who do you like?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I just can't see any reason to think that the
result from the first meeting this year is going to
reverse itself. Yeah, it was twenty nine to seven at
very easily could have been much worse than that. Texas
Tech left a lot of points on the board with
a couple of installed drives in the red zone. And
I don't know if Chase roberts BYU's best wide receiver
(28:49):
is going to play. He got hurt in Cincinnati game
with the hamstring injury, didn't play it last week, so
I don't know the status of him and Without him,
they're going to have a massive problem to move the
ball and score points. I'd be shocked if Texas Tech
let this one get through their fingers and blow a
great opportunity to win the Big twelve wild get to
the coul Turball playoffs.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Georgia Albama for the SEC Championship. George is a two
and a half point favorite totals forty eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I like the first half under in this game. That's
the side I like anytime again. Anytime you see those
favorites under a field goal, I get a little wheezy
and concerned about wanting to lay points. But if you
look at the way Alabama has been playing offensively lately,
ty Simpson has been very sloppy with the football and
(29:38):
sacked a lot. They have had trouble finishing off drives
at scoring points. Second half of that first game in
the season this year against Georgia, really Georgia defense really
a really good job of figuring them out and slowed
them down and shut them down completely. In the second half.
George defense has gotten better, And on the flip side,
(29:58):
I wonder about Georgia offensive league. They lost their starting
center Drew Bobo last week really struggled. I think they
had joudred and fifty yards last week against the Georgia
Tech defense that teams were lighting up left and right.
I can see this being a very slow starting offensive
type games until both offensive strength figure things out in
(30:19):
the second half. So I'm going to go up first
half under here and it would not surprise me either
way a winner here. And what I am curious about
is Alabama. If they win, do they go all the
way up to potentially number four to get a first
round playoff by and if they lose, they become nine
to three. And I know you don't want to fault
a conference championship game a loser, but third loss might
(30:42):
that break that Florida State loss into the play into
the fray end of the conversation room for a colleg
football at large pers But a lot of storylines here
in that SEC.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Game Duke Virginia, the Wahoo's are a four point favorite.
Total is a high number fifty seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Well, I have joked about this and I don't have
a play on this game. Duke has been a team
that I have been unable to figure out properly all
year long. I've joked about Manny Diaz's phone number being
caller ID blocked in a race from my memory, So
Virginia won and dominated the first meeting of the year.
(31:21):
Be great story Virginia Tony Ella ready to run him
out of town a couple of years ago if they
could go on here win and to the COAF Football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Okay, the Big One on Fox Indiana Ohio State Big
Ten Championship game at Lucas Oil number one versus number two,
although I don't I don't think if you pulled most
people they think Indiana's the second best team in the country.
But with a win, it becomes hard to argue. Right
to win at Oregon and a win against Ohio State
in Indianapolis, and they would be the number one seed
(31:52):
head in the College fall Playoff. Ohio State's a four
point favorite, the totals forty seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
You hit on something right there that I think is
important in this game, Like if you're Indiana, you are
never going to get another opportunity to go thirteen to zero,
win the Big Ten, be the number one seed in
the College Football Playoff, and be number one of the
AP Paul like it is arguably the biggest game in
Indiana football history if they can pull the small upset here,
(32:20):
and I think it's a good spot for them psychologically
to be able to do it because you're Ohio State,
you haven't beaten Michigan in forever. The emotional baggage that
got that game carried, and you finally get the win
in Ann Arbor last week. You have the weight of
the world off your shoulders. Now you have the college
football playoffs coming up to defending national champion. That's what
(32:44):
you're getting ready for. And here you have kind of
Indiana okay whatever, Big Ten championship. Not not saying they don't care,
but it's like this is like a game that you
could easily see them letting up on. But I don't
know if the leadership of players like downs and such
or is going to allow that to happen. I think
Indiana if you look at the way they've run the
(33:05):
ball against some of the better teams this year, Penn State, Oregon,
there was another game in there too that they struggled
really running the ball, and I don't know if they're
going to be able to move it against the highest stake.
He thinks it hasn't allowed more than sixteen points all year.
I'd lay three and a half a couple of weeks
ago on the look aheadline with the buck Eyes, and
I would continue. I'd lay the four here with Ohio State.
(33:28):
I do think that they are the better team. I
think they'll get the win.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Chris, You've had a great year. You've really helped us
out here in radio. I encourage everybody to download the
Bare Beets podcast because it doesn't stop now right, We've
got more football games, more things to bet on. But
I just want to thank you for joining us and
look forward to seeing you this weekend. Thanks for being
our guest.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
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Fox at the free throw line.
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Coming up on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Who are the
most famous assistant coaches in history? We'll draft him next.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
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Speaker 7 (35:05):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
All right, Doug, the game on this Thursday.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Is I feel a draft?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
No, I was gonna make.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
This just NFL, but I'm like, why not do it
in all sports at all levels, favorite or famous assistant coaches.
This kind of coming off of our discussion at the
top of the show. Doug, you are the first pick.
I'll take the second pick, Samus third, Jason is fourth,
and we will snake it back the other way around.
All right, Doug, favorite famous assistant coaches. They could have
(35:40):
gone on to bigger and better things, but I want
you to mention when they were an assistant coach.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Maurice Frederick Winter. Maurice Frederick Winter, his nickname was techs
text Winner Okay, was head coach for a long time
in college basketball. My dad was an assistant long beach
famously assistant head coach at Kansas State when they went
to the Final four. But Maurice Frederick tex Winner famously
(36:07):
implemented the triangle offense for Phil Jackson in both Chicago
and with the LA Lakers eleven championships later. Maurice Frederick
Winter tech Winter is my answer.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Now I'm up at number two, and I'm just gonna
say this. I know he was.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I felt like this is where the coaching tree really
kind of started. I'm going Mike Holmgren offensive coordinator to
Bill Walsh with the forty nine ers, because I think
that's when we really started to look at coaching trees,
and then Holmgren's coaching tree was enormous. So give me
Mike Holmgren when he was a member of the forty
nine ers At number two, Sam, I'm.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Going to go with former Iowa quarterback Tom Moore, who
went on, who's still working at eighty seven. He's a
consultant with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He won four Super
Bowls as an assistant coach in the NFL. Tom Moore
still worked at eighty seven. Coached Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Great quarterback coach. Yep, no question.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I think we're being very loose with the term famous.
To be honest, this is how I took this, uh
this game today. People who are famous, who were assistant coaches.
That's a totally different draft. So I've been thinking of
the wrong thing. Uh this more gentleman that Sam just
said it was the opposite of famous.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Now probably win football.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
He's a yeah in football.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
In football circles, he's very famous. I thought, Yeah, famous
worldwide is where I got Anyway, what assistants are famous worldwide.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's like that's like somebody's French dip is world famous,
but it's not really world famous anyway, Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I was gonna say Mark McGuire because he was famous, famously,
notorious and an assistant coach. But I'll redo it. I'll
redo my draft. Bill Belichick and Nick Saban. Who are
those guys? Oh, just just the two people that won
the most games in their respective sports.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right, they weren't famous as assistant coaches. I'll give you
another one. I'll give you my other pictures run at
that time, Buddy Ryan, Buddy Ryan became a head coach,
but Buddy Ryan was famous for the four six defense
with the Bears.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Buddy right, I was gonna say when Kevin Gilbride because
Buddy Ryan bunched him on the sideline in Houston.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Remember, did you have another one? Sam Well? This is
a Homer pick.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Joe Philbin won a Super Bowl with the Packers and
was offn coach.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
That's game time, game.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Uh, don't come and throw back Thursday. The year is
nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
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Speaker 2 (38:38):
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