December 9, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug riffs about the Chargers' big win on Monday Night. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on Indiana Football. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Dave Portnoy makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug gottli Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottley.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Tricko,
I Heart Radio. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in to the Doug
Gotlam Show. What a different experience for me and Jay Stu.
(00:30):
Like I used to not watch end of games. I
used to not watch end of games with the Chargers
because I knew it was gonna end poorly. Like people
ask all the time, like, oh, do you remember that
end of that charge? You're like, no, what, You're like
a big Charger fit. I am, But at some point
it just became like what am I doing? This hurts
so bad to watch it over and over and over again.
(00:53):
You know, it's like me reliving a high school girlfriend
dumping me, Like no thanks, no thanks at all, and
you watch last night and I don't know between the
fact that you have the best kicker in the league,
you have the best stadium or best news stadium in
the league, right elite quarterback playing even though playing hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You have best uniforms in the league.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And you're fully understanding of the ebbs and flows of
a game because you do think whether you think the
Chargers will win or won't win, in the end, it
doesn't even matter. They're just competently coached. And the bizarre
things that used to always go wrong somehow are starting.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
To go right.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Like the triple turnover in one play, what Jalen Hurts
did whereas he throws the interception and he gets back
to fumble that he fumbles again, that's like a Charger play, Like,
are we sure that didn't happen to the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, it did not.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Now, the fumbling of an interception is very much Chargers,
but the fumble the interception in fumble twice, that's very
much Chargers, only it happened to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's witchcraft or wizardry, but it's a completely different experience.
The other part to last night's game that people don't
talk about but I do, is, you know, not this
previous offseason. Offseason before was about the running back right
and why these running backs weren't getting a third year guaranteed.
(02:23):
And every guy said the same thing, like, hey, you know,
he just it's not that you don't want to pay
running backs, it's that there's no reason to pay a
running back a full full third year, because the drop
off is real. Take a look at Saquon Barkley this year.
Last year he was unbelievable, so they re upped his contract,
and now this year he's just okay. And next year,
(02:46):
the likelihood is because you're a year older, you're taking
a bunch of hits that you're gonna you'll you'll be
less impactful. This is me telling you Joel Shane was right. Now,
Barkley was right to get to the Eagles. It's a
much better organization. They're much closer to winning a super
help put him over the top. But that doesn't mean
that Joe Shane or any of the gms were wrong
for not signing those running backs to three year contract.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (03:18):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Every day, this time in the Bonus podcast to play
for your previous version of Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One.
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Kirk Signetti and Indiana football.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I'm not trying to disparage what Dion did at Colorado.
But boy, to the media make a big deal about
what Dion did at Colorado. Kurt Signetti did that times
a thousand at Indiana, and there's very little fanfare for
Kurt Signetti because he's not going to get clicks. Indiana's
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not going to get clicks. Dion is going to get clicks.
And the media plays and had play to that. You know,
game days out there and he's just taken a one
win team and they're winning four games and then they
had a bigger turnaround after that, and you did have
the Heisman Trophy winner. But Kurt Signetti is going to
play for a national championship or at least he's in
the mix. They're the number one team of the country.
(04:16):
They have the Heisman Trophy winner as well. I don't
want to undersell what he did at Indiana. Dion did
a wonderful job. Dion brings eyeballs, he gets clicks. But
Kurt Signetti staying at Indiana. Penn State was going to
offer him probably whatever he wanted, and he said, nope,
I'm going to stay here and sign that what nine
(04:38):
year deal. But that's it's incredible to think about that
as a possibility in college football.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I I do think that Dion has been over discussed,
but I would also tell you I don't think Indiana
has been under discussed. I just don't. I'm with you.
I'm with you in regards to I don't think people
understand how amazing this turn is. I actually think that
the financial investment in Indiana football is the brilliance of it, right,
(05:11):
like what everyone else has done historically, when you want
to turn around a program, is it changed the facilities
right now? Like for Kansas, they put three hundred million
dollars in their stadium. Now they put money into their program,
but and hired an outstanding coach. But if you really
want to do it, put the thirty million dollars a
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year into the football, in the personnel, and you'll reap
the benefits. That's what they've done at Indiana. I don't
think the story is undersold, but I also.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Don't think that it's been properly told.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And we have probably overcovered Dion, But I don't think
we've underdiscussed it. I don't at least, but I watch
a lot of college football on TV.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Here's Nick right, but the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
This is how you get to six and seven. They
they now have retaken their place atop the league, the
league after a one year absence in drops, and they
were all it felt like they were all heartbreaking. Kelsey's
ended the game with a pick Kareem Hunts, you know,
I think costs us a touchdown on the third down.
(06:21):
Two fourth down drops, one really bad one and so
that's like none of it. Trust me, America. I'm devastated,
but I also am honest. None of it should have
been shocking because they have made mistakes like this all
year and the same thing brew that made me and
(06:42):
still makes me feel like last year's team super Bowl notwithstanding,
that was a great football team. That was a great
team because they the only thing that matters for a
team is winning, yea, and they understood how to win
and how not to lose. This team through thirteen games
(07:02):
creates a different set of circumstances that allow losses to happen,
and then they allow them to happen. That's what happened
yesterday and that's what's happened this season.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio agreed, and
what happens in times of strife, in times of fatigue
in desperate times is your worst possible personality moments and
like an argument come out and with teams, the worst
things you do, they keep repeating themselves. Oh sorry, I
(07:34):
didn't know that was the same. This exchange occurred live
at three point thirty five Eastern yesterday. I had Tom
to LESCo on It was before it was reported at
five fifteen Eastern that the Colts were bringing a certain
retired quarterback in for a workout and now have signed
them to the practice squad. Take a listen, here we are,
(07:55):
We're at December eighth. You've been in a similar situation
where I got to find a quarterback here you know
who's on the street, and I got a potential playoff team.
What's the process? Like, how does it work.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance. It's going to have to be
somebody from your own roster at this point, unless you
just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on the
street who's been in a Shane Steak psych an offense before.
I'd have to look it up. For the chances they're
slim so well, I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Gonna call Philip Rivers get him out of retirement. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I don't know if you've seen Phillip recently. I mean
he's coaching high school football think right now, So I
think that may not work.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So was it lucky? Sure?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But it's also I've been doing this for over twenty
years and I know that everybody brings in somebody who
they've worked with before. That happens in our business, that
happens in your business. It definitely happens in the football business.
And you heard Tom Tellusco, who's been in this business say,
if there's somebody who's been in the shanstikeing system, the
one who knows that the best was pr now he's
(09:03):
on the practice squad. I don't know if that means
that he's they're gonna bring him with the intention to play,
or if he's just gonna come in and you know,
if Riley Leonard's healthy enough to go, then he goes.
But he becomes his eyes in his ears. He knows
the calls, he knows the reds, he knows everything about it.
And Phillip's an unbelievable football coach in football mind. And
(09:24):
oh yeah, by the way, do I think he could
do it for a game or two.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I do.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think the problem is what happens when he gets hit.
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Say.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Hey, Doug, you remember what was it last week or
two weeks ago when Odell Buckham Junior went on and
try to tell Ryan Clark and a bunch of those
guys how tough it is to have a hundred million
dollar contract, so hard.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
To get a hundred miniy dollars doesn't doesn't go.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
As far as he used to, and how easy it
is to go through it. And he used the word
flaunt as one of the things that you have to
do with your money. If you make a lot of money,
I mean, you got to flaunt it. So he got
killed by reasonable people on Twitter and maybe this there's
a deeper Uh, there's a deeper topic here, the downside
(10:31):
of new media when you get a bunch of like
athletes who all made a shit ton of money and
they're they're just talking about money together, and there's a
complete disconnect, Like what listener is listening to a guy
who went through a hundred million dollars and is feeling bad,
like not realizing that he made that. So uh, OBJ
(10:53):
has been mostly getting killed by people with a head
between their shoulders. But Carmelo Carmelo Anthony with him. Doug
Carmelo Anthony went on his podcast yesterday and said this.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
It's not really one hundred million dollars in over over
five year span. Pay attention yard, right, Like you you
talking about taking sixty fifty eight to sixty percent fifty
eight percent of forty eight percent half your check, right,
So that ten goes to five over over five years.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Right.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
So now within that five now you got other taxes
that you gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Pay, pay tax to every state you're playing.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Right, So now you got you got taxes alone that's
gonna hit you boom.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You can't do nothing about that. Right.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Then you gotta live, you gotta get a house, You're
gonna take care of your mom's four. You got your
agency fee, right, so you got all of this shit
that's happening with then that five million now because you
ain't working with ten, you're working with five. So now
(11:59):
you're bust down to five. Wow, right, and you're telling you, yes,
you gotta change your lifestyle, but your lifestyle changes drastically,
and that drastic lifestyle change not fucks you up mentally traumaized. Right,
that's the gray area that fucks a lot of athletes up.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Who was it said? Traumatized? Traumatized? What a bunch of
fucking clowns.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You gotta you gotta play that again with through the
sad violins behind it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Traumatized, traumatized.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
It's not really one hundred million dollars in over over
five years, span pay attention yard, right like you you're
talking about taking sixty fifty eight to sixty percent fifty
eight percent of forty eight percent half your check if
that ten goes.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
To five over over five years.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Yes, So now with that in there, five you got
other taxes that you got it?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No, you don't taxes out, you got fifty taxes alone. Yes,
that that's not traumatizing, Jason. I'm traumatized just hearing about
those issues, you know, I mean, how is a man
going to survive on five million dollars a year?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm sorry, Wait, five million dollars less four percent of
the ten million dollars, which he didn't factor into the
fifty percent. You don't really pay fifty percent taxes.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
First of all, let me just call bullshit on so
much of this. Keep in mind NBA players also have pensions.
That's part of the part of the taxes, part of
the of which solid security and other things you're paying
you are eventually going to get back.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Okay, When if you make ten million.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Dollars, you have you should have the best accountant ever,
so you should pay the least amount of taxes possible.
Doesn't mean you're going to pay no taxes like some
really really rich guys. But there are ways in which
you can lower your tax rate, and all those guys
do it. But worst case scenario, if you pay fifty
percent taxes, which again I'm telling you, none of them
(14:12):
pay fifty percent or close to fifty percent taxes, even
if you didn't take the agent fee off the top,
which if it was ten million dollars, the agent fee
is four percent. Okay, Remember that's four percent of what
you're making from the team. It's usually twenty percent of
what you're making outside of the team. But Carmel Anthony
(14:35):
didn't count any of that additional revenue. So he had
a shoe deal with Nike, he had other things. There
are other forms of income. But again, if it is
just only five million dollars less forty four percent of
the ten million dollars, that's four hundred thousand dollars are gone,
(14:56):
right my math? Okay there, sure, Okay, So you have
four point six million dollars post tax to live on.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's traumatizing.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
That drastic lifestyle change is not fuck you up mentally traumatized, right, that'ses.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You up, Yeah, messes you up.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, Because I went from not making anything to bringing
home four point six million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Okay, that's that's traumatizing. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
If it was four, if you could get it to
four point eight, just so we are aware, right, wouldn't
that be twelve times four, so it would be it
would be forty forty eight.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So you're making four hundred thousand dollars a month two
hundred thousand dollars a paycheck, so it's four hundred thousand
dollars a month.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You can't live and put money away.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
On that, No, because you have to expand your your lifestyle.
To me, that was the buzz term of the Melo
Anthony bite, Like the buzz term of the OBJ bite
was flaunt. I mean, you gotta flaunt it. There's got
to be a budget for flaunting. And this one is
you have to. You have to increase your lifestyle. Like
there's no choice. You have to. That's that's not even
(16:15):
a choice. But this is like the top one percent
of one percent of earners complaining to other top one percent.
It's so completely disconnected. It's hilarious.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
That drastic lifestyle change.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Does not fuck you up, traumatized, fucked you up.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
So John Calipari's he's a great quote. The game will
miss him when he's gone. He's kind of reached a
part of his career where he just doesn't give any fucks.
I like, I like when guys are at that part
of the career. Him and Iszo are giving us some
great sound.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, it's it's the Spurrier zone. Yeah Spurs.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Remember Steve spur at the end was like, well help,
I like playing George first game seas they A's got
a couple of guys that's beened.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You're like, whoa he can't say it like, yeah, these
free you can say what every want. Sometimes somebody's gotta
block somebody. There you go.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Now you could relate to this SoundBite because I think
you you have signed someone who might fall into the
category of the player that John Kyle Party seems to
be complaining about.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Dog.
Speaker 9 (17:18):
There are a lot of older gentlemen with beards playing
basketball in college right now. There are so you you know,
the one that's crazy is the kid. The guy comes
in and youre and he's waving to his kids up
in the seats, and you're like, wait a minute, this
guy got two kids. He's still playing college basketball. Crazy thing.
He's using nil for his first wife's alimony and now
(17:41):
he's still playing college basketball. Are we nuts?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I have a twenty nine year old player, but he's
only played this is like his second year of organized basketball.
But yeah, I mean, uh, we play it not this game,
the following game. We play kid who turns twenty five
in like three days later and his first year of
college basket is twenty eighteen. You're like, what, so, yeah,
(18:07):
it's crazy, So what's annoying you guys that are super
old playing college basketball?
Speaker 7 (18:11):
No, here's what's annoying for me that if guys are
using nil to pay alimony or child support or even taxes,
as Carmelo Anthony eloquently pointed out that the percentage is
that I'm annoyed by that they should be spending it
on cars and sneakers and just shit that because, like
(18:36):
to me, if you go from being used as a
college athlete and never being paid for many decades and
then you start getting a bunch of money that should
just be extra money for college, like, you should just
use it like irresponsibly. So to think that you're paying
alimony that's too responsible for aniol money.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You're funny. By the way, plenty of guys do use
it irresponsibly.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Oh, I have no doubt. So this has caused quite
the stir and I think you and I have a
different perspective on this. So the ending of the Charger again,
the Chargers just got down winning an overtime game at
home on Monday night football against the defending Super Bowl champs.
This is like Heady's stuff. Justin Herbert was battered all
(19:21):
game long. He got through the game. He's bleeding on
the left arm that he broke the hand of it's
just like and and and. Laurel Rutledge, the ESPN reporter,
was told I guess that she had access to him
for a post game and it went like this, I.
Speaker 10 (19:41):
Know you mean us talk really best. Someone would like
to watch the interception there that stealed this game for
you guys to get this win.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
Yeah, the defense plighted incredible. You know, they came up
with so many big stops. I so the way they
compete down and down out is really fun to watch.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
We know you were dealing with the broken hand tonight.
You goutted it out, you were hit multiple times. How
are you feeling right now?
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Be pretty good? Thank you?
Speaker 10 (20:02):
And then what can you say about the way that
this team was able to pull this off in overtime?
You guys know how important this game was and how
good the opponent was on the other side.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
Yeah, not the way we drew it up. But uh
but watch the film and have to get better at it.
Were day man, you too, But we have to get
better at it and keep moving forward.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
All right, Thank you, Thank you, Joe.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
All right, now he can go celebrate with his teammates.
Thank you, Laura, great job. So what wasn't heard there
was him, her running him down, and then him is
just saying I just want to celebrate with my teammates.
So I want to use this as an amalgamation of
the kind of response that Justin Herbert has been getting
on Twitter today. This is case Smith from Barstool. She's
(20:45):
a Barstool podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Casey Casey Okay, cool, case Casey Smith c a kaycee.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I think is just like that Casey yep.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Hey, bro, you get paid two hundred and sixty two
million dollars to play football. When the time Time broadcast
wants an interview, you stand there like everybody else does,
and do the interview. Grow up. Kudos to Laura Rutledge
who hung in there real pro So I know your
opinion on this. What annoys you most about it?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, that's that's you know, the old Bill Belichick. Do
your job right, the job of the Chargers PR staff.
And again full disclosure, we don't. We haven't dealt with them.
I don't think this year, but in years past we
would always go to the Chargers camp. Their PR staff
(21:36):
was outstanding. I don't know what happened. Again, I'm gonna
claim ignorance because I'm not on the Field. I haven't
talked to anybody. I did see that he was getting
blown up on social media. But their job is they
have a guy whose single job is whoever Laura wants
to talk to, they grab and they go, hey, Laura
(21:57):
wants Laura rutlet's gonna talk to you, gonna you know,
POSTCA impressor or postgame interview. And if you look when
he's doing the interview, there's nobody from the Chargers with him.
Nobody told him. So that's why I think personally that
Herbert likely felt like he didn't play that well and
he threw that big pick at the end of the
(22:18):
first half, and he just is like, nobody's gonna grab me,
and then all of a sudden. I don't think he
also knew necessarily who Laura was. It wasn't the instant.
She hasn't been doing Monday Night sideline previous to this year,
and so there's not the automatic oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now I'm sure they met in the meeting. I'm sure
she was at all the meetings. I'm sure he, you know,
(22:40):
and second thought, knew who she was. But you and
I we've dealt with Herbert, We've dealt with the Chargers.
It's surprising to me. But it's surprising to me because
I'm stunned that the Chargers PR didn't help him out.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
That's their job.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Their job is to make him look good and to
be the barrier if he does it, want to do
the interview, or if they don't want him to do
the interview, or how many questions or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That's their job, and they did not do it.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Yeah, and I think the I agree with what you
just said, but and I also think that there's a
miscommunication with Laura. I think I'm guessing at what like this,
Laura went to the head of communications and said, I'd
like to do Herbert after head of communications probably said
let's do it, and then head of Communications, for whatever reason,
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got distracted, wasn't with Herbert, did not tell him he
was doing a postgame interview. That was what the reaction
Herbert gave. He was never told he was going to
do it. So that's that's that was my rate on
the situation. But it was I don't blame Rutledge because
she probably did name who she wanted. It just wasn't
communicated to the quarterback. And you're right, there's no staff
(23:50):
member around to even manage it. So overall real annoying.
I don't know whose fault it was, but so you
got Carmelo Anthony supporting Obj's ath on on money, and
then John Cayle Powry and case C. Smith and all
the like that we're killing the Herbert Overnight.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Uh under the John Caliperry because it's just it's funny,
and it's it's again, it's always interesting, right. Coaches always
take shots at what they don't have, you know, And
I'm surprised he hasn't done. He's had, he's had big Z,
the Big fourign.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Kid or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm surprised he to, you know, take shots at Brad
Underwood for having like an all fourgn you know, or
four of the five starters or foreign guys whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But that stuff's funny and it is annoyed. The guys
are getting their sixth and seventh and eighth year.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
I do.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Because we can.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
So this might be the sound of the sound of
the decade. It combines many combustible things. First of all,
a millionaire who puts probably put five figures on the game.
You have one of the biggest names in in uh.
You know, digital sports or over the air sports, whoever
(25:20):
you want to frame David Portnoy now a member of
US with with Fox here and then Pete Carroll's really
strange decision to kick a field goal for the Raiders
to cover the eight and a half that they were
given on on Sunday. This is Dave Portnoy.
Speaker 12 (25:36):
That's the worst beat of all time, and you have
to investigate the Raiders, and investigate the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
What are they doing? What the fuck?
Speaker 12 (25:50):
That's the worst beat of all time.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That is cheating? What the fuck?
Speaker 12 (25:57):
I gotta rewind this. That's the worst fucking beat of
all time. This is the worst beat of all time.
Pete Carroll should be in fucking prison, prison for Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
And I think he later said that Pete Carroll should
be murdered.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah again, I'm just telling you. I don't think there's
any way he did it because the line.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think he did it because it got them to
where the score looked didn't look as bad as a
ten point game.
Speaker 13 (26:23):
Yes, Sammy, the way that Dave Pornoy's voice sounds like
the hysterian his voice reminds me of I think, is
it Dona Michi in the end of trading Places, turn
those machines back on.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It's to go. That's actually a very very good poll there, Sam.
Thank you Places. If it's a solid why can we
play for you? Because we can't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's it for the In the Bonus podcast, check out
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Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm Doug Gotlich.
All right, this is the Doug gottli Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottley.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Tricko,
I Heart Radio. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in to the Doug
Gotlam Show. What a different experience for me and Jay Stu.
(00:30):
Like I used to not watch end of games. I
used to not watch end of games with the Chargers
because I knew it was gonna end poorly. Like people
ask all the time, like, oh, do you remember that
end of that charge? You're like, no, what, You're like
a big Charger fit. I am, But at some point
it just became like what am I doing? This hurts
so bad to watch it over and over and over again.
(00:53):
You know, it's like me reliving a high school girlfriend
dumping me, Like no thanks, no thanks at all, and
you watch last night and I don't know between the
fact that you have the best kicker in the league,
you have the best stadium or best news stadium in
the league, right elite quarterback playing even though playing hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You have best uniforms in the league.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And you're fully understanding of the ebbs and flows of
a game because you do think whether you think the
Chargers will win or won't win, in the end, it
doesn't even matter. They're just competently coached. And the bizarre
things that used to always go wrong somehow are starting.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
To go right.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Like the triple turnover in one play, what Jalen Hurts
did whereas he throws the interception and he gets back
to fumble that he fumbles again, that's like a Charger play, Like,
are we sure that didn't happen to the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, it did not.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Now, the fumbling of an interception is very much Chargers,
but the fumble the interception in fumble twice, that's very
much Chargers, only it happened to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's witchcraft or wizardry, but it's a completely different experience.
The other part to last night's game that people don't
talk about but I do, is, you know, not this
previous offseason. Offseason before was about the running back right
and why these running backs weren't getting a third year guaranteed.
(02:23):
And every guy said the same thing, like, hey, you know,
he just it's not that you don't want to pay
running backs, it's that there's no reason to pay a
running back a full full third year, because the drop
off is real. Take a look at Saquon Barkley this year.
Last year he was unbelievable, so they re upped his contract,
and now this year he's just okay. And next year,
(02:46):
the likelihood is because you're a year older, you're taking
a bunch of hits that you're gonna you'll you'll be
less impactful. This is me telling you Joel Shane was right. Now,
Barkley was right to get to the Eagles. It's a
much better organization. They're much closer to winning a super
help put him over the top. But that doesn't mean
that Joe Shane or any of the gms were wrong
for not signing those running backs to three year contract.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Every day, this time in the Bonus podcast to play
for your previous version of Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One.
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Kirk Signetti and Indiana football.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I'm not trying to disparage what Dion did at Colorado.
But boy, to the media make a big deal about
what Dion did at Colorado. Kurt Signetti did that times
a thousand at Indiana, and there's very little fanfare for
Kurt Signetti because he's not going to get clicks. Indiana's
(03:54):
not going to get clicks. Dion is going to get clicks.
And the media plays and had play to that. You know,
game days out there and he's just taken a one
win team and they're winning four games and then they
had a bigger turnaround after that, and you did have
the Heisman Trophy winner. But Kurt Signetti is going to
play for a national championship or at least he's in
the mix. They're the number one team of the country.
(04:16):
They have the Heisman Trophy winner as well. I don't
want to undersell what he did at Indiana. Dion did
a wonderful job. Dion brings eyeballs, he gets clicks. But
Kurt Signetti staying at Indiana. Penn State was going to
offer him probably whatever he wanted, and he said, nope,
I'm going to stay here and sign that what nine
(04:38):
year deal. But that's it's incredible to think about that
as a possibility in college football.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I I do think that Dion has been over discussed,
but I would also tell you I don't think Indiana
has been under discussed. I just don't. I'm with you.
I'm with you in regards to I don't think people
understand how amazing this turn is. I actually think that
the financial investment in Indiana football is the brilliance of it, right,
(05:11):
like what everyone else has done historically, when you want
to turn around a program, is it changed the facilities
right now? Like for Kansas, they put three hundred million
dollars in their stadium. Now they put money into their program,
but and hired an outstanding coach. But if you really
want to do it, put the thirty million dollars a
(05:32):
year into the football, in the personnel, and you'll reap
the benefits. That's what they've done at Indiana. I don't
think the story is undersold, but I also.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Don't think that it's been properly told.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And we have probably overcovered Dion, But I don't think
we've underdiscussed it. I don't at least, but I watch
a lot of college football on TV.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Here's Nick right, but the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
This is how you get to six and seven. They
they now have retaken their place atop the league, the
league after a one year absence in drops, and they
were all it felt like they were all heartbreaking. Kelsey's
ended the game with a pick Kareem Hunts, you know,
I think costs us a touchdown on the third down.
(06:21):
Two fourth down drops, one really bad one and so
that's like none of it. Trust me, America. I'm devastated,
but I also am honest. None of it should have
been shocking because they have made mistakes like this all
year and the same thing brew that made me and
(06:42):
still makes me feel like last year's team super Bowl notwithstanding,
that was a great football team. That was a great
team because they the only thing that matters for a
team is winning, yea, and they understood how to win
and how not to lose. This team through thirteen games
(07:02):
creates a different set of circumstances that allow losses to happen,
and then they allow them to happen. That's what happened
yesterday and that's what's happened this season.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio agreed, and
what happens in times of strife, in times of fatigue
in desperate times is your worst possible personality moments and
like an argument come out and with teams, the worst
things you do, they keep repeating themselves. Oh sorry, I
(07:34):
didn't know that was the same. This exchange occurred live
at three point thirty five Eastern yesterday. I had Tom
to LESCo on It was before it was reported at
five fifteen Eastern that the Colts were bringing a certain
retired quarterback in for a workout and now have signed
them to the practice squad. Take a listen, here we are,
(07:55):
We're at December eighth. You've been in a similar situation
where I got to find a quarterback here you know
who's on the street, and I got a potential playoff team.
What's the process? Like, how does it work.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance. It's going to have to be
somebody from your own roster at this point, unless you
just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on the
street who's been in a Shane Steak psych an offense before.
I'd have to look it up. For the chances they're
slim so well, I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Gonna call Philip Rivers get him out of retirement. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I don't know if you've seen Phillip recently. I mean
he's coaching high school football think right now, So I
think that may not work.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So was it lucky? Sure?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But it's also I've been doing this for over twenty
years and I know that everybody brings in somebody who
they've worked with before. That happens in our business, that
happens in your business. It definitely happens in the football business.
And you heard Tom Tellusco, who's been in this business say,
if there's somebody who's been in the shanstikeing system, the
one who knows that the best was pr now he's
(09:03):
on the practice squad. I don't know if that means
that he's they're gonna bring him with the intention to play,
or if he's just gonna come in and you know,
if Riley Leonard's healthy enough to go, then he goes.
But he becomes his eyes in his ears. He knows
the calls, he knows the reds, he knows everything about it.
And Phillip's an unbelievable football coach in football mind. And
(09:24):
oh yeah, by the way, do I think he could
do it for a game or two.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I do.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think the problem is what happens when he gets hit.
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Say.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Hey, Doug, you remember what was it last week or
two weeks ago when Odell Buckham Junior went on and
try to tell Ryan Clark and a bunch of those
guys how tough it is to have a hundred million
dollar contract, so hard.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
To get a hundred miniy dollars doesn't doesn't go.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
As far as he used to, and how easy it
is to go through it. And he used the word
flaunt as one of the things that you have to
do with your money. If you make a lot of money,
I mean, you got to flaunt it. So he got
killed by reasonable people on Twitter and maybe this there's
a deeper Uh, there's a deeper topic here, the downside
(10:31):
of new media when you get a bunch of like
athletes who all made a shit ton of money and
they're they're just talking about money together, and there's a
complete disconnect, Like what listener is listening to a guy
who went through a hundred million dollars and is feeling bad,
like not realizing that he made that. So uh, OBJ
(10:53):
has been mostly getting killed by people with a head
between their shoulders. But Carmelo Carmelo Anthony with him. Doug
Carmelo Anthony went on his podcast yesterday and said this.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
It's not really one hundred million dollars in over over
five year span. Pay attention yard, right, Like you you
talking about taking sixty fifty eight to sixty percent fifty
eight percent of forty eight percent half your check, right,
So that ten goes to five over over five years.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Right.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
So now within that five now you got other taxes
that you gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Pay, pay tax to every state you're playing.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Right, So now you got you got taxes alone that's
gonna hit you boom.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You can't do nothing about that. Right.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Then you gotta live, you gotta get a house, You're
gonna take care of your mom's four. You got your
agency fee, right, so you got all of this shit
that's happening with then that five million now because you
ain't working with ten, you're working with five. So now
(11:59):
you're bust down to five. Wow, right, and you're telling you, yes,
you gotta change your lifestyle, but your lifestyle changes drastically,
and that drastic lifestyle change not fucks you up mentally traumaized. Right,
that's the gray area that fucks a lot of athletes up.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Who was it said? Traumatized? Traumatized? What a bunch of
fucking clowns.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You gotta you gotta play that again with through the
sad violins behind it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Traumatized, traumatized.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
It's not really one hundred million dollars in over over
five years, span pay attention yard, right like you you're
talking about taking sixty fifty eight to sixty percent fifty
eight percent of forty eight percent half your check if
that ten goes.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
To five over over five years.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Yes, So now with that in there, five you got
other taxes that you got it?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No, you don't taxes out, you got fifty taxes alone. Yes,
that that's not traumatizing, Jason. I'm traumatized just hearing about
those issues, you know, I mean, how is a man
going to survive on five million dollars a year?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm sorry, Wait, five million dollars less four percent of
the ten million dollars, which he didn't factor into the
fifty percent. You don't really pay fifty percent taxes.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
First of all, let me just call bullshit on so
much of this. Keep in mind NBA players also have pensions.
That's part of the part of the taxes, part of
the of which solid security and other things you're paying
you are eventually going to get back.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Okay, When if you make ten million.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Dollars, you have you should have the best accountant ever,
so you should pay the least amount of taxes possible.
Doesn't mean you're going to pay no taxes like some
really really rich guys. But there are ways in which
you can lower your tax rate, and all those guys
do it. But worst case scenario, if you pay fifty
percent taxes, which again I'm telling you, none of them
(14:12):
pay fifty percent or close to fifty percent taxes, even
if you didn't take the agent fee off the top,
which if it was ten million dollars, the agent fee
is four percent. Okay, Remember that's four percent of what
you're making from the team. It's usually twenty percent of
what you're making outside of the team. But Carmel Anthony
(14:35):
didn't count any of that additional revenue. So he had
a shoe deal with Nike, he had other things. There
are other forms of income. But again, if it is
just only five million dollars less forty four percent of
the ten million dollars, that's four hundred thousand dollars are gone,
(14:56):
right my math? Okay there, sure, Okay, So you have
four point six million dollars post tax to live on.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's traumatizing.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
That drastic lifestyle change is not fuck you up mentally traumatized, right, that'ses.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You up, Yeah, messes you up.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, Because I went from not making anything to bringing
home four point six million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Okay, that's that's traumatizing. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
If it was four, if you could get it to
four point eight, just so we are aware, right, wouldn't
that be twelve times four, so it would be it
would be forty forty eight.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So you're making four hundred thousand dollars a month two
hundred thousand dollars a paycheck, so it's four hundred thousand
dollars a month.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You can't live and put money away.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
On that, No, because you have to expand your your lifestyle.
To me, that was the buzz term of the Melo
Anthony bite, Like the buzz term of the OBJ bite
was flaunt. I mean, you gotta flaunt it. There's got
to be a budget for flaunting. And this one is
you have to. You have to increase your lifestyle. Like
there's no choice. You have to. That's that's not even
(16:15):
a choice. But this is like the top one percent
of one percent of earners complaining to other top one percent.
It's so completely disconnected. It's hilarious.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
That drastic lifestyle change.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Does not fuck you up, traumatized, fucked you up.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
So John Calipari's he's a great quote. The game will
miss him when he's gone. He's kind of reached a
part of his career where he just doesn't give any fucks.
I like, I like when guys are at that part
of the career. Him and Iszo are giving us some
great sound.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, it's it's the Spurrier zone. Yeah Spurs.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Remember Steve spur at the end was like, well help,
I like playing George first game seas they A's got
a couple of guys that's beened.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You're like, whoa he can't say it like, yeah, these
free you can say what every want. Sometimes somebody's gotta
block somebody. There you go.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Now you could relate to this SoundBite because I think
you you have signed someone who might fall into the
category of the player that John Kyle Party seems to
be complaining about.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Dog.
Speaker 9 (17:18):
There are a lot of older gentlemen with beards playing
basketball in college right now. There are so you you know,
the one that's crazy is the kid. The guy comes
in and youre and he's waving to his kids up
in the seats, and you're like, wait a minute, this
guy got two kids. He's still playing college basketball. Crazy thing.
He's using nil for his first wife's alimony and now
(17:41):
he's still playing college basketball. Are we nuts?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I have a twenty nine year old player, but he's
only played this is like his second year of organized basketball.
But yeah, I mean, uh, we play it not this game,
the following game. We play kid who turns twenty five
in like three days later and his first year of
college basket is twenty eighteen. You're like, what, so, yeah,
(18:07):
it's crazy, So what's annoying you guys that are super
old playing college basketball?
Speaker 7 (18:11):
No, here's what's annoying for me that if guys are
using nil to pay alimony or child support or even taxes,
as Carmelo Anthony eloquently pointed out that the percentage is
that I'm annoyed by that they should be spending it
on cars and sneakers and just shit that because, like
(18:36):
to me, if you go from being used as a
college athlete and never being paid for many decades and
then you start getting a bunch of money that should
just be extra money for college, like, you should just
use it like irresponsibly. So to think that you're paying
alimony that's too responsible for aniol money.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You're funny. By the way, plenty of guys do use
it irresponsibly.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Oh, I have no doubt. So this has caused quite
the stir and I think you and I have a
different perspective on this. So the ending of the Charger again,
the Chargers just got down winning an overtime game at
home on Monday night football against the defending Super Bowl champs.
This is like Heady's stuff. Justin Herbert was battered all
(19:21):
game long. He got through the game. He's bleeding on
the left arm that he broke the hand of it's
just like and and and. Laurel Rutledge, the ESPN reporter,
was told I guess that she had access to him
for a post game and it went like this, I.
Speaker 10 (19:41):
Know you mean us talk really best. Someone would like
to watch the interception there that stealed this game for
you guys to get this win.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
Yeah, the defense plighted incredible. You know, they came up
with so many big stops. I so the way they
compete down and down out is really fun to watch.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
We know you were dealing with the broken hand tonight.
You goutted it out, you were hit multiple times. How
are you feeling right now?
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Be pretty good? Thank you?
Speaker 10 (20:02):
And then what can you say about the way that
this team was able to pull this off in overtime?
You guys know how important this game was and how
good the opponent was on the other side.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
Yeah, not the way we drew it up. But uh
but watch the film and have to get better at it.
Were day man, you too, But we have to get
better at it and keep moving forward.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
All right, Thank you, Thank you, Joe.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
All right, now he can go celebrate with his teammates.
Thank you, Laura, great job. So what wasn't heard there
was him, her running him down, and then him is
just saying I just want to celebrate with my teammates.
So I want to use this as an amalgamation of
the kind of response that Justin Herbert has been getting
on Twitter today. This is case Smith from Barstool. She's
(20:45):
a Barstool podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Casey Casey Okay, cool, case Casey Smith c a kaycee.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I think is just like that Casey yep.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Hey, bro, you get paid two hundred and sixty two
million dollars to play football. When the time Time broadcast
wants an interview, you stand there like everybody else does,
and do the interview. Grow up. Kudos to Laura Rutledge
who hung in there real pro So I know your
opinion on this. What annoys you most about it?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, that's that's you know, the old Bill Belichick. Do
your job right, the job of the Chargers PR staff.
And again full disclosure, we don't. We haven't dealt with them.
I don't think this year, but in years past we
would always go to the Chargers camp. Their PR staff
(21:36):
was outstanding. I don't know what happened. Again, I'm gonna
claim ignorance because I'm not on the Field. I haven't
talked to anybody. I did see that he was getting
blown up on social media. But their job is they
have a guy whose single job is whoever Laura wants
to talk to, they grab and they go, hey, Laura
(21:57):
wants Laura rutlet's gonna talk to you, gonna you know,
POSTCA impressor or postgame interview. And if you look when
he's doing the interview, there's nobody from the Chargers with him.
Nobody told him. So that's why I think personally that
Herbert likely felt like he didn't play that well and
he threw that big pick at the end of the
(22:18):
first half, and he just is like, nobody's gonna grab me,
and then all of a sudden. I don't think he
also knew necessarily who Laura was. It wasn't the instant.
She hasn't been doing Monday Night sideline previous to this year,
and so there's not the automatic oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now I'm sure they met in the meeting. I'm sure
she was at all the meetings. I'm sure he, you know,
(22:40):
and second thought, knew who she was. But you and
I we've dealt with Herbert, We've dealt with the Chargers.
It's surprising to me. But it's surprising to me because
I'm stunned that the Chargers PR didn't help him out.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
That's their job.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Their job is to make him look good and to
be the barrier if he does it, want to do
the interview, or if they don't want him to do
the interview, or how many questions or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That's their job, and they did not do it.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Yeah, and I think the I agree with what you
just said, but and I also think that there's a
miscommunication with Laura. I think I'm guessing at what like this,
Laura went to the head of communications and said, I'd
like to do Herbert after head of communications probably said
let's do it, and then head of Communications, for whatever reason,
(23:29):
got distracted, wasn't with Herbert, did not tell him he
was doing a postgame interview. That was what the reaction
Herbert gave. He was never told he was going to
do it. So that's that's that was my rate on
the situation. But it was I don't blame Rutledge because
she probably did name who she wanted. It just wasn't
communicated to the quarterback. And you're right, there's no staff
(23:50):
member around to even manage it. So overall real annoying.
I don't know whose fault it was, but so you
got Carmelo Anthony supporting Obj's ath on on money, and
then John Cayle Powry and case C. Smith and all
the like that we're killing the Herbert Overnight.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Uh under the John Caliperry because it's just it's funny,
and it's it's again, it's always interesting, right. Coaches always
take shots at what they don't have, you know, And
I'm surprised he hasn't done. He's had, he's had big Z,
the Big fourign.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Kid or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm surprised he to, you know, take shots at Brad
Underwood for having like an all fourgn you know, or
four of the five starters or foreign guys whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But that stuff's funny and it is annoyed. The guys
are getting their sixth and seventh and eighth year.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
I do.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Because we can.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
So this might be the sound of the sound of
the decade. It combines many combustible things. First of all,
a millionaire who puts probably put five figures on the game.
You have one of the biggest names in in uh.
You know, digital sports or over the air sports, whoever
(25:20):
you want to frame David Portnoy now a member of
US with with Fox here and then Pete Carroll's really
strange decision to kick a field goal for the Raiders
to cover the eight and a half that they were
given on on Sunday. This is Dave Portnoy.
Speaker 12 (25:36):
That's the worst beat of all time, and you have
to investigate the Raiders, and investigate the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
What are they doing? What the fuck?
Speaker 12 (25:50):
That's the worst beat of all time.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That is cheating? What the fuck?
Speaker 12 (25:57):
I gotta rewind this. That's the worst fucking beat of
all time. This is the worst beat of all time.
Pete Carroll should be in fucking prison, prison for Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
And I think he later said that Pete Carroll should
be murdered.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah again, I'm just telling you. I don't think there's
any way he did it because the line.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think he did it because it got them to
where the score looked didn't look as bad as a
ten point game.
Speaker 13 (26:23):
Yes, Sammy, the way that Dave Pornoy's voice sounds like
the hysterian his voice reminds me of I think, is
it Dona Michi in the end of trading Places, turn
those machines back on.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It's to go. That's actually a very very good poll there, Sam.
Thank you Places. If it's a solid why can we
play for you? Because we can't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's it for the In the Bonus podcast, check out
the radio show every day three to five e's from
TELL two Pacific, Fox Sports Radio, iHeart Radio app.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.