December 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug addresses a troll who has gone after his basketball program. Doug sums up the Chargers as they were the benefactors of good luck on Monday Night. Doug takes credit for predicting the Philip Rivers signing. Doug welcomes John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the Chargers, Philip Rivers and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Mm hmmmmmmmmmmm. All right. We got a lot of stuff
to get to here in the DG Show. What a
great experience. It was a new experience. It was to
see somebody else other than our Chargers Chase two and
I Chargers find a way to lose the game they
should win. We're gonna get to Monday Night Football in
(00:48):
a second. First, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm
gonna do what I should have done a long, long, long,
long time ago. I Am going to fight back against losers.
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Dan Byer's coming up here on uh on the YouTube channel,
and I know this bothered him, So this is what
(01:31):
I'm going to do. Okay, a week ago, right, we
lost a really tough home loss to Robert Morse and
we'll walk out the floor. I pushed the stool out
of the way, and yeah, I apologize for it's dumb.
It's just mad and nobody was around, and because the
(01:52):
camera caught it, it became some people's news and we
talked about it in the show. But apparently there's a
troll out there who filmed me having a conversation with
my athletic director before going in and talking to the team.
For going in and talking to the team, and I
(02:12):
got to tell you there's a couple of things. One,
you don't film people without asking. I don't even know
if Wisconsin is a is a state where you're allowed
to film people without asking. But two and Dan, you
brought this up like it's a guy with like fifty
followers on TikTok saying fire Doug because I'm having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, it was really weird. It it didn't seem like
it was confrontational at all. And I think that someone
was just trying to piece events together and make a story,
and so I didn't understand. I didn't know if I
was missing some context. I felt that, I mean, since
I knew you, that I would know everything that was
going on. And then I saw it in multiple places
(02:57):
where I'm sure it was just aggregated by bots or whatever,
but it was just it didn't seem like it was
a confrontational conversation. And so that's what really caught me
off guard with the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
No, it's my boss who's like a partner in this,
consoling me after the loss and talking me through it
and asking me a couple of questions and what happened
in a couple of different instances, And I was telling
him what happened. There's literally nothing to it. My big issue, like,
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you can't control people with the phone trying to make
something out of nothing. And the reality is, if we're
being honest, even the stool thing is a total nothing, right,
because how it reads is like I threw a chair,
like I picked it up and there's a bunch of
people around and I just threw it and everybody goes
ducking right, This is not what happened. My issue is
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there's a Facebook page called bro Bible, and this is
like the third time that it's happened, right, the third
time that it's happened. Where they again they do what
you're talking about, Dan, They aggregate pieces of something and
they tell a story without any information. By the way,
(04:14):
can this will get it go into the to the
justin Herbert thing right where if you have a question
or if you want a comment from me or anybody
here about a story, all you have to do is
pick up the phone. That's what you do when you
write a story. But these aren't. There is no journalism
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to it. There's no context to it. There's just we
lost a game that we played well enough and we
should have won. We just didn't play well enough for
forty minutes. It was for thirty eight and a half.
There's no context to the fact that we've played a
really difficult schedule, that we've beaten Iona, we've beaten UMass,
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none of that, or that Robert Morris won the league
or academic probation last year or anything. Nothing, no context.
So this is me saying, if there is actual a
human being who works for bro Bible, you can find
me on Facebook. You can find me on Instagram, or
(05:15):
you can call Fox Fox Sports Radio, or you can
DM me on social media if you would like to
actually conduct an interview or be a journalist. But piecing
together a story again non contextual. There was no even Hey,
by the way, we were picked dead last in the
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league this year by a wide margin. Now we're owing
too in the league. So right now we're living down
to that. I own that, okay, Or where Robert Morris
is picked, or anything about the game, or anything about
our trip to the US Virgin Islands, or how we
took Minnesota to overtime, or Minnesota or Yale we were
down two to twenty nine seconds to go a top
seventy five team, none of that. They don't actually care.
(05:58):
And again, it it it. It doesn't bother me from
the context of my job. I understand. My job is
I understand where we are who are trying to build.
Nobody cares where the program was, academic probation, where you
are financially all the things you do or nobody cares
about that. It's fine. What I care about is what
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Jayce has long said about Stephen A. Smith. Don't say
you're a journalist. Don't say you're any sort of publication
and not be able to do the actual journalist stuff.
And when I've made mistakes in journalism, that's where I've
gone wrong, right, That's where I've gone wrong. And my
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argument was always it was opinion based. Now you're allowed
to have an opinion, right, but that's when it's in
the context of an editorial. That's when you're in print
work editorial. So I feel a tremendous amount of simple
and empathy for people who have this done to them.
(07:03):
And this is year two and whatever it is I did,
I never slept with your girlfriend and your wife, so
that's not it. I'm sorry if I made it as
a basketball player, a basketball analyst, and a sports radio host.
I'm sorry that. I'm not sorry that I got a job,
and I'm actually done with you. I do will you
do what?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
There's plenty of guys Mike Bibby got a job. He
ain't been coaching in college either. He was a great player,
then he was a high school coach and successful one,
and then he got a job attack State. Nobody said
boo about whether or not he should have a job
or shouldn't have a job. It's just because I have
opinions about sports, and maybe you don't like my opinions
about sports, and that's tough, that's too bad. But if
you're gonna tell a story, tell the story, not just
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the parts or just make up that a conversation with
me and Josh Moon when there's a pretty good video
and there's kind of nothing to it, it's like what
I just I'm blown away by it, and I'm sorry
that I live in your head rent free, but you're
actually helping me when you're trying to hurt me. That's it,
(08:11):
It's really the end of it. Let's get to the
last night's football game. Truly enjoyable to watch Eagles lose,
right because Eagles fans know you don't like us and
we don't care. But man, what a tough one for
Jalen hurts Man for a tough one to Jailing hurts
I think in game they told us no player had
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turned the ball over twice in one possession in the
modern era. That's the post nineteen seventy two of football.
I had never seen that before, but Jay Stu that
felt the fumble on the interception felt like a charger play.
The fumble of the fumble after the interception was just
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a this is not going to be Jalen Hurts night.
Right when you saw that happen when they pick up that,
I had flashbacks of the Patriots playoff game right when
they when the Chargers were fourteen and two. You know
who's gonna know who the player was and the year was?
That's Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Do you know what year and what player was made
the interception?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I completely forgot. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And my only hope Dan, I know you're literally my
only hope. But I'm watching last night and I'm like,
that usually happens to us, doesn't it? That usually happens
to us. That that's usually the time in which we
screw the thing up. As when I'm saying us, I'm
saying Chargers and you're like, wait, the Eagles suddenly become
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the Keystone Cops where they throw an interception, get a
fumble back and fumbled again, Jaseter, you had to be
watching that game thinking this is the most Charger play ever,
only it happened to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Usually that when the ball does never almost never bounces
the Charger's way. Uh until bag joined So this is
this is like a ear plus running. Uh. But you
were at the game, I want to say that night
that there was a fumble and Tyreek Hill just picked
up the ball and ran in front eighty yards.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Typical Charger play. Like like that game.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
That was the perfect Chargers play.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
There was that three years ago. I want to say
was three years ago, two or three years ago, and
it was after the Emmanuel Acho. Uh, he's a social
media quarterback about Jessin Herbert. And I'm watching the game
and the Chargers are like completely dominating the game except
for two plays. Tyreek Hill I think, either beat him
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deep for a play and that was a touchdown and
then he literally picked up the fumble and it wasn't
supposed to be to him and runs in for touchdown.
And you're and and you're just thinking to yourself, like
that's the Chargers. They're way better and they end up
go what an experience to watch somebody else do something.
You're like, wait, did they switch uniforms before the game,
because that was Chargers And then of course, yeah, here's
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here's the play last night. Jalen Hurdts throwing interception, getting
it back on the fumble and then fumbling himself.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
It's empty for Hurtz wats quarterback draw and here comes
a blitz from dayon.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Can't get their intercepted, big man. Oh, and the ball
is out and the ball is out again and the
Chargers fall on it. My goodness, that's an interception, a
fumble recovery by the offense, and a fumble recovery by
the defense. Let's get it all sorted out. When it's
all uncovered, it's Troy Don. It's got the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
The year was two thousand and six. The Chargers were
fourteen and two. Marty Schottenheimer was the coach. It was
fourth and five in the fourth quarter with six twenty
five to go. The Chargers were up twenty one to thirteen,
and Tom Brady was picked off at the Chargers thirty
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by Marlin McCree Marlona McCree. All he had to do
was go down. Instead, he was stripped of the football
by Troy Brown. Troy Brown, of course, did he play
both sides of the football that year?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
They put him as a dB at times. Yes, I
do remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And Marla McCree makes a pick, gets stripped and the
Patriots rebound score a touchdown. Get a two point conversion
and then won the game when the Chargers when Nate
Catie missed a fifty four yardfield goal, the most Charger
thing ever. And I'm watching last night and I saw
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the fumble him like, oh no, no, Barley McRae, and
then Jim Hurts gets and he fumbles again. So the
times are a change.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
In By the way, when Doug did his piece on
the chair throwing last week, there was a comment on
the Instagram post that was so true and someone who
was making fun of me that I was comparing your
job to fantasy football and how we would want to
throw a chairrit during fantasy football. I was going up
against Chargers defense last night. Guys. That's four points. That
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was two turnovers on one play for the Chargers defense.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh my gosh, the minute I had taken I had
taken the Chargers defense off of my team a couple
of games ago. I forget who they played against, Like, ah,
they're all banged.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Up, Na, what a load of crap. It was nuts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It was so so nuts, what a what a crazy,
crazy play. And by the way, I I I am
in the I am in the playoffs or no, yeah, yeah,
I'm in the championship quarterfinal. Here of my fantasy team,
but I stupidly took the Chargers off my roster. And
then last night two turnovers in one play. All Right,
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the story of the night was Jalen Hurts five turnovers
granted two in one play. Here's Jalen Hurts talking about
the loss.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
I knew it was going to be a tight window throw.
I'd have to watch the film to see see it
from the eyes film's point of view. Ultimately, it's a
play that I didn't make.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You got to handle the ball.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
That's a play that we've we've made a million times
in that scenario versus a cloud corner, and I didn't
make that play this time around.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
Definitely stams, Definitely steams. But how do you respond? And
that's the only way I know how to look at it? Again,
You're gonna see what type of resolve does does does
his team have with that? What type of resolve do
we have within with What's what's in us to respond
the way we want to? So what you got to dig?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yep uh. Here's Nick Sirianni, their head coach, on Jail
and Hurtsnight.
Speaker 11 (14:47):
This game is the ultimate team game. So it's all.
It's never you know, it's never just on one person. Now, ultimately,
he always has the ball in his hands, and I
know he'll he'll wear a lot of that and and
on that, and and I got to do a better
job of helping them in those scenarios. Again, it's always
it's never just on execution rights. It's always that we
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look at ourselves as coaches first and we help them
be in position to succeed and then execute right. So
obviously never want to turn the ball over. We've been
pretty good at that, and tonight was a little uncharacteristic
of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Uh yeah, I would, I would say, so, you know,
it is it is curious that the Eagles really tried
to get the ball to aj Brown, really try to
get the ball to Aj Brown. You know, he had
four drops. One drop led to an interception. He is
immensely talented. He doesn't block, and you know, so oftentimes
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we had been critical or people had been critical of
the Eagles for the staleness of their offense and how
much they run the football. But this is one of
those things that can happen when you throw the football,
and that's not always the strength of your quarterback. They
were dominating the game with Saquon Barkley. He had one
hundred and twenty two yards rushing six point one yards
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of carry. Granted the fifty two yard run ends up
skewing it, but they're suddenly not running Jalen Hurts hardly
at all, Like they went from using him as a
weapon to now not utilizing him. And it's really interesting
what's happening to the Eagles this year and what's happening
to the Ravens this year where you have two of
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the most dynamic weapons as quarterbacks, and whether they're trying
to protect them for the playoffs or whether they feel
like it limits their offense. Lamar Jackson doesn't run as often,
obviously doesn't isn't moving the same, But it's like you're
trying to make Lamara Jackson into Philip Rivers. And I
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think the same of Jalen Hurts. Like last year's style
was good, good enough to win them a Super Bowl.
Why are you trying to force him to be somebody
and throw the ball forty times when you're running the
hell out of the ball against the Chargers, especially in overtime,
when you're already in fueld goal range, and by forcing it,
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you end up turning the ball over, especially when Jalen
Hurts had a tough night.
Speaker 12 (17:20):
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
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Speaker 3 (17:59):
I is this a calshy thing?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
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Speaker 3 (18:04):
Is that? Because I do? You have to explain.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
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Speaker 7 (18:31):
Perts in the shotgun a touchdown would win it for
the Eagles. Kurtz pulls it, Broze.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Intercepted, game over, intercepted game over, game over. The fourth interception,
Tony Jefferson, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Unce does it?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Uh? That's our our guy, Matt money Smith with the call.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
The big story of the day is former Chargers quarterback
Philip Rivers has signed with the Indianapolis Colts as their
practice squad quarterback. This was yesterday three point thirty five
PM on the Doug Gottlieb Show with me and former
(19:17):
Chargers GM Tom Telesco. Okay, the signing was reported at
five point fifteen, so an hour and a half later.
Here's our exchange on this very show. Here we are,
we're at December eighth. You've been in a similar situation
where I got to find a quarterback here you know
who's on the street, and I got a potential playoff team.
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What's what's the process, like? How does it work well?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
At this point, since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance is going to have to be
somebody from your own roster at this point. Unless you
just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on the
street who's been in a shansteakupsike an offense before, I'd
have to look it up for the chance of their slim.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So well, I mean gonna call Philip Rivers, get him
out of retirement.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Philip recently. I
mean he's coaching high school football.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Think they're right now, so I think that may.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Not work well. They signed him. The guys were chuckling
because I sent them a meme I saw on social
media that has Philip Rivers at Seattle like a fantasy
football sort of logo. The over under is one hundred
and twenty seven and a half pass yards and there's
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a picture of Joe Biden in a Colts jersey. It
is fantastic. Whoever did that? It is fantastic, fantastic And
the best part is it made all three of you
guys smile. Right, that's the idea of sports and social media.
Stug gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
(20:54):
welcome in John Middlecoff and a finalist host of the
Three and Out podcast, What's Gone So wrong with the
Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
That's a great question. I mean last night was a
combination of everything. You know, Jalen's turnovers. The first two
were really bad, obviously, you know, AJ had the drop
that turned into one and the last play I'd say
is a great defensive play as much as a bad,
bad pass. I'd give the defense all the credit on
that one. So you got the quarterback offs. AJ talked
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the big game. I mean, that wasn't exactly his you know,
most glorious moment last night. He dropped a touchdown, had
a pick. It was because of him. You know, the
play callings when you get into a game like that
with the quarterback who's injured, with an offensive line who's terrible,
and a team that just wants to be grimy. You know,
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the Eagles tried to play like they had Josh Allen
or Joe Burrow playing and passed the ball around the yard,
like why didn't they have forty carries last night with
Saquon And every time on first down right they stuff
is like, oh, they're just going to go pass pass,
And I just think that that's the type game if
you reversed it. And Jim Harbaugh was the coach, Saquon
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would have had forty carries and I get the offensive wise,
I was good as last year. They have clearly injuries,
got backups in there.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
But he's averaging six point one yards to carry. Give
him the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
It's the sane And in the moment too last night
where the Chargers they they run that take push push,
He takes the house. He goes like fifty miles an hour,
so like, okay, you know this guy still got some
stuff to him. They then they force a punt, they
get the ball back. They're up sixteen to thirteen. The
Chargers are in major trouble and they start passing the
ball and two plays later, the ball goes off aged
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hands and it's the interception. It's like, what are you
doing here? And that Jim's won a lot of games
that are ugly over the course of his career. That
was pretty impressive given his offensive line. You know, his quarterback.
I don't know about you, but how many times you
hold your breat thinking to like, did he break his
hand more when he's lying on the ground.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It was, it was, It was crazy. It's insane, But
somehow the Chargers found a way, which is the opposite
of traditional charger football.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Isn't it? It's Harbaugh Herbert toughness. The defense is obviously
pretty pretty gritty. I mean, Khalil, you know, it's still
a really good player. Will however, many years into his career.
I mean, he's you know, that's a good personnel move, right,
They they kept him around. They got rid of Joey
Bosa and they reinvested into him, and and Khalil Mack
is a big time difference maker. And their physicality on defense.
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I mean the Eagles defense was excellent too. I mean,
if I'm if I'm one of the Eagles defenders, I'm like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
We're dominating this game? How are we losing it? And
it's like, well yet ten turnovers?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Ten turnovers?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Show the double turnover. I mean it's an Alzheimer, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Alzheimer? Alzheimer never say anything like it. I thought it
was a Marlon McCree play. And then all of a sudden, uh,
hes Hrge fumbles it. Hrge fumbles it as well. You
do a lot of gambling, Okay, everybody is up in arms,
and you talk a lot of gambling on the Three
and Out podcast, as well, the only thing I can
(24:13):
think of with Pete Carroll kicking that field goal was
you're just trying to keep it close and it looks
better on the scoreboard. Right here's Pete Carroll explaining why
he would kick a field goal to make it a
seven point game with five seconds to go.
Speaker 13 (24:29):
I can't bend and twist and go with whatever the
public sentiment is, or one person sentiment for that matter,
regardless of who it is. I just can't do that
and do my job the right way to the best
of my abilities. So if you notice that I was,
I was battling with the official making a plea for
because we saw eight second seven, which would have given
us a chance to kick the field goal, kicking on
(24:51):
site kick and maybe have a second left. And then
when it went down to five or went down to
three or whatever they did, and then they put it
back to five whatever, then I knew it was going
to look like you couldn't hear U why we were
doing it. So there was a real clear thought what
we were trying to get Downe there, just to take
it down to the very last click. It might not
be good enough for you, I understand that, but that's
what I think. You can see what we were trying
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to do. It just didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Do you think there's is Do you believe in the
conspiracy theory that he was trying to stick it to
the Broncos and so they didn't cover.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I kind of believe what he's staying there. I mean,
I think at this point in time, the Raiders are
down so bad. You know, every point like a point
of pride for them. You know, I think Pete Carroll's
at the point. He's so rich he couldn't even be
bought if they tried. I truly believe, you know, it's
always compete. You know, it makes sense, right, He's hoping
(25:46):
they're closer to ten seconds and maybe they got a
free chance to gike a field goal and then throw
a bomb. Now clearly once it's like he explained, I
hadn't even heard his audio, but it does make more
sense than just I was really watching it live. It
was on one of the other TVs, But I mean
that game was a joke, and then I watching the
replay it was kind of embarrassing. But I do understand
(26:08):
what he's saying. You could argue the referees call him
the delay of game or whatever was under tens like,
what are we doing? Just get out of there.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't know, it was it was crazy. What's happened
to Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Well, clearly he's injured, because physically he doesn't look great,
you know, And I think anytime you see this a
lot in the NBA, right, like a freak athlete when
they're not moving right, You're like, something's a little off.
And you know, he's been banged up throughout the year
and a huge part of his game is predicated on
the movement, on the running around, and it's just it's
just not there. And you can tell from a dynamic
(26:46):
standpoint he looks a shell of himself. And then he's
not playing well on top of that, and they just
they just look off. And I mean that was I
mean they were down twenty to nine at one point
in that game. I mean, Rogers clearly kind of was
a throwback game for him. It looked pretty good. And yeah,
I mean obviously they needed a little you know, referee,
(27:09):
whether the letter of the law, I mean forever when
we were kids. Obviously the basketball rule is the best, right,
It's two guys with the sideline, whether you're playing in
the NBA or whether you're playing a pickup game, you
always knew, okay, it's your ball, And now the slow
motion replay it's like, oh, Mike, what, it's off his fingernail.
It's no different with the Cats, Like historically, of course
(27:30):
that's a catch touchdown. But I do think with technology
we have almost overcomplicated the game in parts that used
to be a no brainer, like that's a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You move on, Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
The Packers beat the Bears, did you learn more about
the Packers or the Bears?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I mean, I'm I have picked Packers and go to
Super Bowl, so, like, I know, their high ends pretty high.
I mean Jordan's well, Watson coming back has really changed.
He's got five touchdowns in four games. He looks so fast,
So I mean, I all the pressure was on Green Bay.
I mean, you had to win that game at home,
and they were at fourteen to three. They came out ready.
It was impressive. I learned a lot about the Bears.
I mean that's seventeen play, nine minute drive in a
(28:18):
spot where you had to have it with some of
those play calls by Ben and you know, Caleb's making
a lot of plays on the move. You know, it
was it was really impressive, and you know, I think
part of the reasons I like the Broncos this week.
Can green Bay mass that level for three straight weeks?
(28:38):
I mean that was that was a war zone game
really for both teams. Same thing with Chicago. You know,
now they're a little lucky they get the Browns, but
if Chicago was playing a you know, a good team,
I'd be like, it's coming off that game. That takes
a lot out of you for both teams. And I
think it's gonna be a tough spot for green Bay
going on the road knowing they got Chicago the following
week that if they if they fiffy sweep them, they're
(29:01):
in pretty good shape. Right. So if you told them
at the beginning of this three game stretch, hey, you're
gonna go you know, two and one, they would pick
the two Bears games, right. So I'm a little interested
to watch green Bay and Chicago like that. That's the game,
you know forever, it was like if you played the
Lions the next week, you know, a couple of years ago,
you would get boat raced. It happened with the forty
(29:21):
nine Ers a couple of years ago too, just because
those games physically take so much out of you, and
that was I'm glad the Bears are good because that
game was That was theater. I mean, that was that
second half was as good of football game as you're
gonna watch that.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It was great high level NFL football games. Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. For my money, you can't
have Shador Sanders next year unless he's going to be
the starter, and you don't draft somebody in the first round,
right because there's just too much noise that follows him.
Is that is that a fair statement?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah? I mean you're not gonna draft a guy two
overall and have Shador Sanders and you know at the right.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Right, I mean, he could be a backup, but all
the noise that follows him, you can't. It doesn't work, right,
It'll always well.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Under because it's like, what are you going to have
a quarterback competition? Are you going to give it to
the first rounder than everyone?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You're going to give it to the first round that's right?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Uh, where are you in the idea of he's going
to be the starter long term?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well? I mean, I definitely think it depends where they land.
I also think, you know, Shador listened. I mean, he
was a better prospect in most people's mind. I would
imagine if you pulled most NFL gms still and Gabriel
is like a borderline undrafted free agent. So I think
the indictment on the Browns is like, you guys pulled
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the trigger on a third round pick, which is pretty powerful,
and you took a guy that most teams would have
been like, this guy does not your talented enough, and
then we watched him playing. I'm like, I don't know, man,
this is kind of crazy. So now we're going to
give you guys the juice to do it again, you know,
on a really really high pick. I mean, if I
was in listen, it doesn't happen very often anymore, but
(31:05):
I would be if if I'm like Fernando Mendoza, I'm like,
i am not going to Cleveland. You know, It's one
of those where you got to pull an l Away
or an Eli, like I'm not messing with that. And
you could argue all the teams that are gonna be
in the mix, like it's like do you want to
go play? I mean, this sounds crazy because he's a
legendary guy, but this Pee Carroll situation, I don't want that.
I mean these teams, like, I want no part of
(31:27):
any of these teams drafting high. So you know, Chador
is clearly an upgrade over Dylan Gabriel. We'll see and
you know, there's a big and a lot of people
are paying attention to this week. He's playing games, getting
a lot of eyeballs. You keep making explosive plays. I
mean the one throw that he made to Judy for
the touchdown. No Judy was opened behind the defenders, but
it was a dry throw, like it was really nice.
(31:47):
He's always been able to have those touch throws in
the end zone, like Shaduar has a lot of touch.
He just got to be careful sometimes. I think he
thinks he's like Caleb Williams and he tries to run
away and it doesn't really work because he's not He's
not his father. So that was a pretty promise. And
I get some Titans, but relative to what they were
used to with Dylan Gabriel, it's like, yeah, I mean
shaudor the Deshaun Watson story breaking last weekend too, was
(32:10):
kind of weird, Like what Cleveland is just a mess?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, let's stop breaking news that Clive is mess. Last thing?
What's the chances Philip Rivers takes a snap this year?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
How awesome is it? Can you what time do you
think if his workout was at nine o'clock this morning?
Do you think he was like in the hotel gym
stretching of six am?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I mean he approached this thing like the super Bowl,
And that's why we all love him, I think, really.
I mean, obviously DJ's gone is an answer. Richardon on
into reserve and I saw Sike and said, yesterday, I
mean part of the reason why I was like, why
are they doing? Is Riley Leonards injured? So it shows
you and which I respect, Like, don't go sign some
(32:50):
you know Dedmond Ritter, you talk, you can't.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You have to sign someone who knows the system.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yeah, he just got it. Turns out Phillipson running it
with his high school team right and him as Shane
or boys. I mean they've known each other right forever. Now,
I mean he wasn't moving well whatever four or five
years ago. I nope, you know this is the league
where he kind of got to move there aren't many
statutes anymore, and he's never had the greatest arm. I
(33:16):
would imagine if he was throwing eighty eight, what's he
throwing now eighty two? It's I you better be careful,
you know, It's just you could get injured those bones.
There's no way he's been training the same. I respect it,
and I get the Colts, but it could also be
kind of something scary could happen. I mean he could.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's actually what a GM friend of mine was like,
this might not be safe. My thing is, I think
they brought him in. He may play a game. I
don't think he can play multiple games, but he becomes
the quarterback whisper to whoever is actually the quarterback, because
he knows this thing cold and like the de facto
quarterback coach for whoever is actually out there.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
This thing is unraveling on that. I mean for a
team that you know, traded two first round picks for
soft gardener, obviously he's injured their quarterback situation. I mean
you start looking at that that that schedule, you go,
is this team gonna finish eight to nine? I mean,
even if the Rivers started, honestly, they could be worse
with Rivers than they would Riley Leonard, right, So it's
(34:13):
kind of I mean, I don't remember a turn of
events that you go, oh, this thing because one thing
to lose and finish, you know, bad like the Eagles
right now or a couple of years ago, but not
have your first round picks. That's pretty that's a The
Jet's gotta be feeling pretty good about that trade right now,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yes, they do. That's that's our guy, John Minocoff. You
can check out the Three and Out podcast the Volume
Podcast Network. John, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 12 (34:40):
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Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Top of
Next Hour, Tuesday morning Quarterback in the afternoon. What is that?
It's the stories that you should have had. We should
had time to get into what we did because it's Monday.
Is too much other stuff to get to before we
get to that. Let's get to a game. Here's Dan Buyer.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
All right, Doug, the game today is rank them? All right,
Doug ranked the top three teams in the NFL through
fourteen weeks of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
All Right, I'm gonna go two NFC teams three and two,
and then AFC team one. I'm gonna go Rams at three,
go Peckers at two, and I'm gonna go the Pats
at one. Patriots won. The Seahawks didn't make the Listen.
The reason is Dan hasn't been touting his own team,
(35:45):
which I can't figure out. Either that means he doesn't
want us to tout them he thinks it'll jinx it
or he doesn't think they're that good. I don't know
which one they are.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think they're really really good.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Okay, I actually think they are too. But this is
the first time you've said that that that I can remember.
You guys, remember Sam. Do you remember him talking about
how good I actually verbalizing saying I think they're really good.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
No?
Speaker 6 (36:09):
No, here, here's what it is. Dan has reacted to
our topics for the Seahawks. He just has not offered
up his own topic. He has not set time to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And again, this is me knowing you know your team, right,
it's your team. You watch him. Plus you're there every
Sunday doing your radio show. So I'm like man, and
he just doesn't want us to jinx it or he
doesn't think they're that good. Yeah, I think you just
don't want to jinx it.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think there I did proclaim they're the best team
in the NFL when we had to fill in for you, Monci,
and I see that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, I apologize for nothing anyway, Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Rank the top three NFL MVP candidates.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I want to go Jordan Love three, Drake May two,
and Matt Stafford one. Matt Stafford won.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
For Getting a Lot of Love.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, I do think that Josh Allen is right there
in the mix of two to three, But I think
right now Stafford's the.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Favorite right now, one to two, Drake May two to one.
To your point, Jordan Love is eleven to one. All right, Doug,
that's that's the fourth highest sage, right, Yeah, Josh Allen's
just ahead of Jordan Love and uh again, Sam Darnold
for some reason, as ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigball.
Who knows? All right, Doug, rank your three most memorable
Heisman Trophy winners ceremony, whether it be seasons however you
(37:33):
want to do it. But the three most memorable Heisman's.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I would go Charles Woodson because he was a defensive player,
all right, Charles Woodson, because he's a defensive player, that
would be three. I think rocket Ishmael is two. I
mean he was Notre Dame. Notre Dame football was bigger
than anything back then. Plus his nickname is the Rocket, right.
And then I think Desmond Howard honestly is number one one,
(38:00):
mostly because the play, the Heisman pose. It just all worked,
just all worked.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
All right. Finally, Doug, rank your favorite NFL fan base
that you like to see lose.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Ooh, Jets at three. That's because we only talk about
the Jets because most New York sports most New York
sports guys become big name sports guys, but they want
to talk about Syracuse, the Jets, and the Mets in
the Islander or the Rangers. Two is the Cowboys, and
number one is the Eagles. Everybody likes to see them
lose down and that's the game time all right? Coming up?
(38:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Mm hmmmmmmmmmmm. All right. We got a lot of stuff
to get to here in the DG Show. What a
great experience. It was a new experience. It was to
see somebody else other than our Chargers Chase two and
I Chargers find a way to lose the game they
should win. We're gonna get to Monday Night Football in
(00:48):
a second. First, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm
gonna do what I should have done a long, long, long,
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Dan Byer's coming up here on uh on the YouTube channel,
and I know this bothered him, So this is what
(01:31):
I'm going to do. Okay, a week ago, right, we
lost a really tough home loss to Robert Morse and
we'll walk out the floor. I pushed the stool out
of the way, and yeah, I apologize for it's dumb.
It's just mad and nobody was around, and because the
(01:52):
camera caught it, it became some people's news and we
talked about it in the show. But apparently there's a
troll out there who filmed me having a conversation with
my athletic director before going in and talking to the team.
For going in and talking to the team, and I
(02:12):
got to tell you there's a couple of things. One,
you don't film people without asking. I don't even know
if Wisconsin is a is a state where you're allowed
to film people without asking. But two and Dan, you
brought this up like it's a guy with like fifty
followers on TikTok saying fire Doug because I'm having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, it was really weird. It it didn't seem like
it was confrontational at all. And I think that someone
was just trying to piece events together and make a story,
and so I didn't understand. I didn't know if I
was missing some context. I felt that, I mean, since
I knew you, that I would know everything that was
going on. And then I saw it in multiple places
(02:57):
where I'm sure it was just aggregated by bots or whatever,
but it was just it didn't seem like it was
a confrontational conversation. And so that's what really caught me
off guard with the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
No, it's my boss who's like a partner in this,
consoling me after the loss and talking me through it
and asking me a couple of questions and what happened
in a couple of different instances, And I was telling
him what happened. There's literally nothing to it. My big issue, like,
(03:31):
you can't control people with the phone trying to make
something out of nothing. And the reality is, if we're
being honest, even the stool thing is a total nothing, right,
because how it reads is like I threw a chair,
like I picked it up and there's a bunch of
people around and I just threw it and everybody goes
ducking right, This is not what happened. My issue is
(03:53):
there's a Facebook page called bro Bible, and this is
like the third time that it's happened, right, the third
time that it's happened. Where they again they do what
you're talking about, Dan, They aggregate pieces of something and
they tell a story without any information. By the way,
(04:14):
can this will get it go into the to the
justin Herbert thing right where if you have a question
or if you want a comment from me or anybody
here about a story, all you have to do is
pick up the phone. That's what you do when you
write a story. But these aren't. There is no journalism
(04:35):
to it. There's no context to it. There's just we
lost a game that we played well enough and we
should have won. We just didn't play well enough for
forty minutes. It was for thirty eight and a half.
There's no context to the fact that we've played a
really difficult schedule, that we've beaten Iona, we've beaten UMass,
(04:55):
none of that, or that Robert Morris won the league
or academic probation last year or anything. Nothing, no context.
So this is me saying, if there is actual a
human being who works for bro Bible, you can find
me on Facebook. You can find me on Instagram, or
(05:15):
you can call Fox Fox Sports Radio, or you can
DM me on social media if you would like to
actually conduct an interview or be a journalist. But piecing
together a story again non contextual. There was no even Hey,
by the way, we were picked dead last in the
(05:35):
league this year by a wide margin. Now we're owing
too in the league. So right now we're living down
to that. I own that, okay, Or where Robert Morris
is picked, or anything about the game, or anything about
our trip to the US Virgin Islands, or how we
took Minnesota to overtime, or Minnesota or Yale we were
down two to twenty nine seconds to go a top
seventy five team, none of that. They don't actually care.
(05:58):
And again, it it it. It doesn't bother me from
the context of my job. I understand. My job is
I understand where we are who are trying to build.
Nobody cares where the program was, academic probation, where you
are financially all the things you do or nobody cares
about that. It's fine. What I care about is what
(06:19):
Jayce has long said about Stephen A. Smith. Don't say
you're a journalist. Don't say you're any sort of publication
and not be able to do the actual journalist stuff.
And when I've made mistakes in journalism, that's where I've
gone wrong, right, That's where I've gone wrong. And my
(06:41):
argument was always it was opinion based. Now you're allowed
to have an opinion, right, but that's when it's in
the context of an editorial. That's when you're in print
work editorial. So I feel a tremendous amount of simple
and empathy for people who have this done to them.
(07:03):
And this is year two and whatever it is I did,
I never slept with your girlfriend and your wife, so
that's not it. I'm sorry if I made it as
a basketball player, a basketball analyst, and a sports radio host.
I'm sorry that. I'm not sorry that I got a job,
and I'm actually done with you. I do will you
do what?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
There's plenty of guys Mike Bibby got a job. He
ain't been coaching in college either. He was a great player,
then he was a high school coach and successful one,
and then he got a job attack State. Nobody said
boo about whether or not he should have a job
or shouldn't have a job. It's just because I have
opinions about sports, and maybe you don't like my opinions
about sports, and that's tough, that's too bad. But if
you're gonna tell a story, tell the story, not just
(07:47):
the parts or just make up that a conversation with
me and Josh Moon when there's a pretty good video
and there's kind of nothing to it, it's like what
I just I'm blown away by it, and I'm sorry
that I live in your head rent free, but you're
actually helping me when you're trying to hurt me. That's it,
(08:11):
It's really the end of it. Let's get to the
last night's football game. Truly enjoyable to watch Eagles lose,
right because Eagles fans know you don't like us and
we don't care. But man, what a tough one for
Jalen hurts Man for a tough one to Jailing hurts
I think in game they told us no player had
(08:33):
turned the ball over twice in one possession in the
modern era. That's the post nineteen seventy two of football.
I had never seen that before, but Jay Stu that
felt the fumble on the interception felt like a charger play.
The fumble of the fumble after the interception was just
(08:56):
a this is not going to be Jalen Hurts night.
Right when you saw that happen when they pick up that,
I had flashbacks of the Patriots playoff game right when
they when the Chargers were fourteen and two. You know
who's gonna know who the player was and the year was?
That's Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Do you know what year and what player was made
the interception?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I completely forgot. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And my only hope Dan, I know you're literally my
only hope. But I'm watching last night and I'm like,
that usually happens to us, doesn't it? That usually happens
to us. That that's usually the time in which we
screw the thing up. As when I'm saying us, I'm
saying Chargers and you're like, wait, the Eagles suddenly become
(09:40):
the Keystone Cops where they throw an interception, get a
fumble back and fumbled again, Jaseter, you had to be
watching that game thinking this is the most Charger play ever,
only it happened to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Usually that when the ball does never almost never bounces
the Charger's way. Uh until bag joined So this is
this is like a ear plus running. Uh. But you
were at the game, I want to say that night
that there was a fumble and Tyreek Hill just picked
up the ball and ran in front eighty yards.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Typical Charger play. Like like that game.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
That was the perfect Chargers play.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
There was that three years ago. I want to say
was three years ago, two or three years ago, and
it was after the Emmanuel Acho. Uh, he's a social
media quarterback about Jessin Herbert. And I'm watching the game
and the Chargers are like completely dominating the game except
for two plays. Tyreek Hill I think, either beat him
(10:40):
deep for a play and that was a touchdown and
then he literally picked up the fumble and it wasn't
supposed to be to him and runs in for touchdown.
And you're and and you're just thinking to yourself, like
that's the Chargers. They're way better and they end up
go what an experience to watch somebody else do something.
You're like, wait, did they switch uniforms before the game,
because that was Chargers And then of course, yeah, here's
(11:03):
here's the play last night. Jalen Hurdts throwing interception, getting
it back on the fumble and then fumbling himself.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
It's empty for Hurtz wats quarterback draw and here comes
a blitz from dayon.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Can't get their intercepted, big man. Oh, and the ball
is out and the ball is out again and the
Chargers fall on it. My goodness, that's an interception, a
fumble recovery by the offense, and a fumble recovery by
the defense. Let's get it all sorted out. When it's
all uncovered, it's Troy Don. It's got the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
The year was two thousand and six. The Chargers were
fourteen and two. Marty Schottenheimer was the coach. It was
fourth and five in the fourth quarter with six twenty
five to go. The Chargers were up twenty one to thirteen,
and Tom Brady was picked off at the Chargers thirty
(11:57):
by Marlin McCree Marlona McCree. All he had to do
was go down. Instead, he was stripped of the football
by Troy Brown. Troy Brown, of course, did he play
both sides of the football that year?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
They put him as a dB at times. Yes, I
do remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And Marla McCree makes a pick, gets stripped and the
Patriots rebound score a touchdown. Get a two point conversion
and then won the game when the Chargers when Nate
Catie missed a fifty four yardfield goal, the most Charger
thing ever. And I'm watching last night and I saw
(12:36):
the fumble him like, oh no, no, Barley McRae, and
then Jim Hurts gets and he fumbles again. So the
times are a change.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
In By the way, when Doug did his piece on
the chair throwing last week, there was a comment on
the Instagram post that was so true and someone who
was making fun of me that I was comparing your
job to fantasy football and how we would want to
throw a chairrit during fantasy football. I was going up
against Chargers defense last night. Guys. That's four points. That
(13:09):
was two turnovers on one play for the Chargers defense.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh my gosh, the minute I had taken I had
taken the Chargers defense off of my team a couple
of games ago. I forget who they played against, Like, ah,
they're all banged.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Up, Na, what a load of crap. It was nuts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It was so so nuts, what a what a crazy,
crazy play. And by the way, I I I am
in the I am in the playoffs or no, yeah, yeah,
I'm in the championship quarterfinal. Here of my fantasy team,
but I stupidly took the Chargers off my roster. And
then last night two turnovers in one play. All Right,
(13:48):
the story of the night was Jalen Hurts five turnovers
granted two in one play. Here's Jalen Hurts talking about
the loss.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
I knew it was going to be a tight window throw.
I'd have to watch the film to see see it
from the eyes film's point of view. Ultimately, it's a
play that I didn't make.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You got to handle the ball.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
That's a play that we've we've made a million times
in that scenario versus a cloud corner, and I didn't
make that play this time around.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
Definitely stams, Definitely steams. But how do you respond? And
that's the only way I know how to look at it? Again,
You're gonna see what type of resolve does does does
his team have with that? What type of resolve do
we have within with What's what's in us to respond
the way we want to? So what you got to dig?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yep uh. Here's Nick Sirianni, their head coach, on Jail
and Hurtsnight.
Speaker 11 (14:47):
This game is the ultimate team game. So it's all.
It's never you know, it's never just on one person. Now, ultimately,
he always has the ball in his hands, and I
know he'll he'll wear a lot of that and and
on that, and and I got to do a better
job of helping them in those scenarios. Again, it's always
it's never just on execution rights. It's always that we
(15:08):
look at ourselves as coaches first and we help them
be in position to succeed and then execute right. So
obviously never want to turn the ball over. We've been
pretty good at that, and tonight was a little uncharacteristic
of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Uh yeah, I would, I would say, so, you know,
it is it is curious that the Eagles really tried
to get the ball to aj Brown, really try to
get the ball to Aj Brown. You know, he had
four drops. One drop led to an interception. He is
immensely talented. He doesn't block, and you know, so oftentimes
(15:46):
we had been critical or people had been critical of
the Eagles for the staleness of their offense and how
much they run the football. But this is one of
those things that can happen when you throw the football,
and that's not always the strength of your quarterback. They
were dominating the game with Saquon Barkley. He had one
hundred and twenty two yards rushing six point one yards
(16:06):
of carry. Granted the fifty two yard run ends up
skewing it, but they're suddenly not running Jalen Hurts hardly
at all, Like they went from using him as a
weapon to now not utilizing him. And it's really interesting
what's happening to the Eagles this year and what's happening
to the Ravens this year where you have two of
(16:31):
the most dynamic weapons as quarterbacks, and whether they're trying
to protect them for the playoffs or whether they feel
like it limits their offense. Lamar Jackson doesn't run as often,
obviously doesn't isn't moving the same, But it's like you're
trying to make Lamara Jackson into Philip Rivers. And I
(16:53):
think the same of Jalen Hurts. Like last year's style
was good, good enough to win them a Super Bowl.
Why are you trying to force him to be somebody
and throw the ball forty times when you're running the
hell out of the ball against the Chargers, especially in overtime,
when you're already in fueld goal range, and by forcing it,
(17:16):
you end up turning the ball over, especially when Jalen
Hurts had a tough night.
Speaker 12 (17:20):
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Speaker 7 (18:31):
Perts in the shotgun a touchdown would win it for
the Eagles. Kurtz pulls it, Broze.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Intercepted, game over, intercepted game over, game over. The fourth interception,
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Speaker 2 (18:50):
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Speaker 7 (18:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
The big story of the day is former Chargers quarterback
Philip Rivers has signed with the Indianapolis Colts as their
practice squad quarterback. This was yesterday three point thirty five
PM on the Doug Gottlieb Show with me and former
(19:17):
Chargers GM Tom Telesco. Okay, the signing was reported at
five point fifteen, so an hour and a half later.
Here's our exchange on this very show. Here we are,
we're at December eighth. You've been in a similar situation
where I got to find a quarterback here you know
who's on the street, and I got a potential playoff team.
(19:40):
What's what's the process, like? How does it work well?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
At this point, since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance is going to have to be
somebody from your own roster at this point. Unless you
just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on the
street who's been in a shansteakupsike an offense before, I'd
have to look it up for the chance of their slim.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So well, I mean gonna call Philip Rivers, get him
out of retirement.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Philip recently. I
mean he's coaching high school football.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Think they're right now, so I think that may.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Not work well. They signed him. The guys were chuckling
because I sent them a meme I saw on social
media that has Philip Rivers at Seattle like a fantasy
football sort of logo. The over under is one hundred
and twenty seven and a half pass yards and there's
(20:30):
a picture of Joe Biden in a Colts jersey. It
is fantastic. Whoever did that? It is fantastic, fantastic And
the best part is it made all three of you
guys smile. Right, that's the idea of sports and social media.
Stug gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
(20:54):
welcome in John Middlecoff and a finalist host of the
Three and Out podcast, What's Gone So wrong with the
Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
That's a great question. I mean last night was a
combination of everything. You know, Jalen's turnovers. The first two
were really bad, obviously, you know, AJ had the drop
that turned into one and the last play I'd say
is a great defensive play as much as a bad,
bad pass. I'd give the defense all the credit on
that one. So you got the quarterback offs. AJ talked
(21:26):
the big game. I mean, that wasn't exactly his you know,
most glorious moment last night. He dropped a touchdown, had
a pick. It was because of him. You know, the
play callings when you get into a game like that
with the quarterback who's injured, with an offensive line who's terrible,
and a team that just wants to be grimy. You know,
(21:47):
the Eagles tried to play like they had Josh Allen
or Joe Burrow playing and passed the ball around the yard,
like why didn't they have forty carries last night with
Saquon And every time on first down right they stuff
is like, oh, they're just going to go pass pass,
And I just think that that's the type game if
you reversed it. And Jim Harbaugh was the coach, Saquon
(22:09):
would have had forty carries and I get the offensive wise,
I was good as last year. They have clearly injuries,
got backups in there.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
But he's averaging six point one yards to carry. Give
him the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
It's the sane And in the moment too last night
where the Chargers they they run that take push push,
He takes the house. He goes like fifty miles an hour,
so like, okay, you know this guy still got some
stuff to him. They then they force a punt, they
get the ball back. They're up sixteen to thirteen. The
Chargers are in major trouble and they start passing the
ball and two plays later, the ball goes off aged
(22:41):
hands and it's the interception. It's like, what are you
doing here? And that Jim's won a lot of games
that are ugly over the course of his career. That
was pretty impressive given his offensive line. You know, his quarterback.
I don't know about you, but how many times you
hold your breat thinking to like, did he break his
hand more when he's lying on the ground.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It was, it was, It was crazy. It's insane, But
somehow the Chargers found a way, which is the opposite
of traditional charger football.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Isn't it? It's Harbaugh Herbert toughness. The defense is obviously
pretty pretty gritty. I mean, Khalil, you know, it's still
a really good player. Will however, many years into his career.
I mean, he's you know, that's a good personnel move, right,
They they kept him around. They got rid of Joey
Bosa and they reinvested into him, and and Khalil Mack
is a big time difference maker. And their physicality on defense.
(23:33):
I mean the Eagles defense was excellent too. I mean,
if I'm if I'm one of the Eagles defenders, I'm like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
We're dominating this game? How are we losing it? And
it's like, well yet ten turnovers?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Ten turnovers?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Show the double turnover. I mean it's an Alzheimer, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Alzheimer? Alzheimer never say anything like it. I thought it
was a Marlon McCree play. And then all of a sudden, uh,
hes Hrge fumbles it. Hrge fumbles it as well. You
do a lot of gambling, Okay, everybody is up in arms,
and you talk a lot of gambling on the Three
and Out podcast, as well, the only thing I can
(24:13):
think of with Pete Carroll kicking that field goal was
you're just trying to keep it close and it looks
better on the scoreboard. Right here's Pete Carroll explaining why
he would kick a field goal to make it a
seven point game with five seconds to go.
Speaker 13 (24:29):
I can't bend and twist and go with whatever the
public sentiment is, or one person sentiment for that matter,
regardless of who it is. I just can't do that
and do my job the right way to the best
of my abilities. So if you notice that I was,
I was battling with the official making a plea for
because we saw eight second seven, which would have given
us a chance to kick the field goal, kicking on
(24:51):
site kick and maybe have a second left. And then
when it went down to five or went down to
three or whatever they did, and then they put it
back to five whatever, then I knew it was going
to look like you couldn't hear U why we were
doing it. So there was a real clear thought what
we were trying to get Downe there, just to take
it down to the very last click. It might not
be good enough for you, I understand that, but that's
what I think. You can see what we were trying
(25:12):
to do. It just didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Do you think there's is Do you believe in the
conspiracy theory that he was trying to stick it to
the Broncos and so they didn't cover.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I kind of believe what he's staying there. I mean,
I think at this point in time, the Raiders are
down so bad. You know, every point like a point
of pride for them. You know, I think Pete Carroll's
at the point. He's so rich he couldn't even be
bought if they tried. I truly believe, you know, it's
always compete. You know, it makes sense, right, He's hoping
(25:46):
they're closer to ten seconds and maybe they got a
free chance to gike a field goal and then throw
a bomb. Now clearly once it's like he explained, I
hadn't even heard his audio, but it does make more
sense than just I was really watching it live. It
was on one of the other TVs, But I mean
that game was a joke, and then I watching the
replay it was kind of embarrassing. But I do understand
(26:08):
what he's saying. You could argue the referees call him
the delay of game or whatever was under tens like,
what are we doing? Just get out of there.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't know, it was it was crazy. What's happened
to Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Well, clearly he's injured, because physically he doesn't look great,
you know, And I think anytime you see this a
lot in the NBA, right, like a freak athlete when
they're not moving right, You're like, something's a little off.
And you know, he's been banged up throughout the year
and a huge part of his game is predicated on
the movement, on the running around, and it's just it's
just not there. And you can tell from a dynamic
(26:46):
standpoint he looks a shell of himself. And then he's
not playing well on top of that, and they just
they just look off. And I mean that was I
mean they were down twenty to nine at one point
in that game. I mean, Rogers clearly kind of was
a throwback game for him. It looked pretty good. And yeah,
I mean obviously they needed a little you know, referee,
(27:09):
whether the letter of the law, I mean forever when
we were kids. Obviously the basketball rule is the best, right,
It's two guys with the sideline, whether you're playing in
the NBA or whether you're playing a pickup game, you
always knew, okay, it's your ball, And now the slow
motion replay it's like, oh, Mike, what, it's off his fingernail.
It's no different with the Cats, Like historically, of course
(27:30):
that's a catch touchdown. But I do think with technology
we have almost overcomplicated the game in parts that used
to be a no brainer, like that's a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You move on, Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
The Packers beat the Bears, did you learn more about
the Packers or the Bears?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I mean, I'm I have picked Packers and go to
Super Bowl, so, like, I know, their high ends pretty high.
I mean Jordan's well, Watson coming back has really changed.
He's got five touchdowns in four games. He looks so fast,
So I mean, I all the pressure was on Green Bay.
I mean, you had to win that game at home,
and they were at fourteen to three. They came out ready.
It was impressive. I learned a lot about the Bears.
I mean that's seventeen play, nine minute drive in a
(28:18):
spot where you had to have it with some of
those play calls by Ben and you know, Caleb's making
a lot of plays on the move. You know, it
was it was really impressive, and you know, I think
part of the reasons I like the Broncos this week.
Can green Bay mass that level for three straight weeks?
(28:38):
I mean that was that was a war zone game
really for both teams. Same thing with Chicago. You know,
now they're a little lucky they get the Browns, but
if Chicago was playing a you know, a good team,
I'd be like, it's coming off that game. That takes
a lot out of you for both teams. And I
think it's gonna be a tough spot for green Bay
going on the road knowing they got Chicago the following
week that if they if they fiffy sweep them, they're
(29:01):
in pretty good shape. Right. So if you told them
at the beginning of this three game stretch, hey, you're
gonna go you know, two and one, they would pick
the two Bears games, right. So I'm a little interested
to watch green Bay and Chicago like that. That's the game,
you know forever, it was like if you played the
Lions the next week, you know, a couple of years ago,
you would get boat raced. It happened with the forty
(29:21):
nine Ers a couple of years ago too, just because
those games physically take so much out of you, and
that was I'm glad the Bears are good because that
game was That was theater. I mean, that was that
second half was as good of football game as you're
gonna watch that.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It was great high level NFL football games. Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. For my money, you can't
have Shador Sanders next year unless he's going to be
the starter, and you don't draft somebody in the first round,
right because there's just too much noise that follows him.
Is that is that a fair statement?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah? I mean you're not gonna draft a guy two
overall and have Shador Sanders and you know at the right.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Right, I mean, he could be a backup, but all
the noise that follows him, you can't. It doesn't work, right,
It'll always well.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Under because it's like, what are you going to have
a quarterback competition? Are you going to give it to
the first rounder than everyone?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You're going to give it to the first round that's right?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Uh, where are you in the idea of he's going
to be the starter long term?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well? I mean, I definitely think it depends where they land.
I also think, you know, Shador listened. I mean, he
was a better prospect in most people's mind. I would
imagine if you pulled most NFL gms still and Gabriel
is like a borderline undrafted free agent. So I think
the indictment on the Browns is like, you guys pulled
(30:44):
the trigger on a third round pick, which is pretty powerful,
and you took a guy that most teams would have
been like, this guy does not your talented enough, and
then we watched him playing. I'm like, I don't know, man,
this is kind of crazy. So now we're going to
give you guys the juice to do it again, you know,
on a really really high pick. I mean, if I
was in listen, it doesn't happen very often anymore, but
(31:05):
I would be if if I'm like Fernando Mendoza, I'm like,
i am not going to Cleveland. You know, It's one
of those where you got to pull an l Away
or an Eli, like I'm not messing with that. And
you could argue all the teams that are gonna be
in the mix, like it's like do you want to
go play? I mean, this sounds crazy because he's a
legendary guy, but this Pee Carroll situation, I don't want that.
I mean these teams, like, I want no part of
(31:27):
any of these teams drafting high. So you know, Chador
is clearly an upgrade over Dylan Gabriel. We'll see and
you know, there's a big and a lot of people
are paying attention to this week. He's playing games, getting
a lot of eyeballs. You keep making explosive plays. I
mean the one throw that he made to Judy for
the touchdown. No Judy was opened behind the defenders, but
it was a dry throw, like it was really nice.
(31:47):
He's always been able to have those touch throws in
the end zone, like Shaduar has a lot of touch.
He just got to be careful sometimes. I think he
thinks he's like Caleb Williams and he tries to run
away and it doesn't really work because he's not He's
not his father. So that was a pretty promise. And
I get some Titans, but relative to what they were
used to with Dylan Gabriel, it's like, yeah, I mean
shaudor the Deshaun Watson story breaking last weekend too, was
(32:10):
kind of weird, Like what Cleveland is just a mess?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, let's stop breaking news that Clive is mess. Last thing?
What's the chances Philip Rivers takes a snap this year?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
How awesome is it? Can you what time do you
think if his workout was at nine o'clock this morning?
Do you think he was like in the hotel gym
stretching of six am?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I mean he approached this thing like the super Bowl,
And that's why we all love him, I think, really.
I mean, obviously DJ's gone is an answer. Richardon on
into reserve and I saw Sike and said, yesterday, I
mean part of the reason why I was like, why
are they doing? Is Riley Leonards injured? So it shows
you and which I respect, Like, don't go sign some
(32:50):
you know Dedmond Ritter, you talk, you can't.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You have to sign someone who knows the system.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yeah, he just got it. Turns out Phillipson running it
with his high school team right and him as Shane
or boys. I mean they've known each other right forever. Now,
I mean he wasn't moving well whatever four or five
years ago. I nope, you know this is the league
where he kind of got to move there aren't many
statutes anymore, and he's never had the greatest arm. I
(33:16):
would imagine if he was throwing eighty eight, what's he
throwing now eighty two? It's I you better be careful,
you know, It's just you could get injured those bones.
There's no way he's been training the same. I respect it,
and I get the Colts, but it could also be
kind of something scary could happen. I mean he could.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's actually what a GM friend of mine was like,
this might not be safe. My thing is, I think
they brought him in. He may play a game. I
don't think he can play multiple games, but he becomes
the quarterback whisper to whoever is actually the quarterback, because
he knows this thing cold and like the de facto
quarterback coach for whoever is actually out there.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
This thing is unraveling on that. I mean for a
team that you know, traded two first round picks for
soft gardener, obviously he's injured their quarterback situation. I mean
you start looking at that that that schedule, you go,
is this team gonna finish eight to nine? I mean,
even if the Rivers started, honestly, they could be worse
with Rivers than they would Riley Leonard, right, So it's
(34:13):
kind of I mean, I don't remember a turn of
events that you go, oh, this thing because one thing
to lose and finish, you know, bad like the Eagles
right now or a couple of years ago, but not
have your first round picks. That's pretty that's a The
Jet's gotta be feeling pretty good about that trade right now,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yes, they do. That's that's our guy, John Minocoff. You
can check out the Three and Out podcast the Volume
Podcast Network. John, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 12 (34:40):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Top of
Next Hour, Tuesday morning Quarterback in the afternoon. What is that?
It's the stories that you should have had. We should
had time to get into what we did because it's Monday.
Is too much other stuff to get to before we
get to that. Let's get to a game. Here's Dan Buyer.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
All right, Doug, the game today is rank them? All right,
Doug ranked the top three teams in the NFL through
fourteen weeks of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
All Right, I'm gonna go two NFC teams three and two,
and then AFC team one. I'm gonna go Rams at three,
go Peckers at two, and I'm gonna go the Pats
at one. Patriots won. The Seahawks didn't make the Listen.
The reason is Dan hasn't been touting his own team,
(35:45):
which I can't figure out. Either that means he doesn't
want us to tout them he thinks it'll jinx it
or he doesn't think they're that good. I don't know
which one they are.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think they're really really good.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Okay, I actually think they are too. But this is
the first time you've said that that that I can remember.
You guys, remember Sam. Do you remember him talking about
how good I actually verbalizing saying I think they're really good.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
No?
Speaker 6 (36:09):
No, here, here's what it is. Dan has reacted to
our topics for the Seahawks. He just has not offered
up his own topic. He has not set time to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And again, this is me knowing you know your team, right,
it's your team. You watch him. Plus you're there every
Sunday doing your radio show. So I'm like man, and
he just doesn't want us to jinx it or he
doesn't think they're that good. Yeah, I think you just
don't want to jinx it.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think there I did proclaim they're the best team
in the NFL when we had to fill in for you, Monci,
and I see that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, I apologize for nothing anyway, Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Rank the top three NFL MVP candidates.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I want to go Jordan Love three, Drake May two,
and Matt Stafford one. Matt Stafford won.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
For Getting a Lot of Love.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, I do think that Josh Allen is right there
in the mix of two to three, But I think
right now Stafford's the.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Favorite right now, one to two, Drake May two to one.
To your point, Jordan Love is eleven to one. All right, Doug,
that's that's the fourth highest sage, right, Yeah, Josh Allen's
just ahead of Jordan Love and uh again, Sam Darnold
for some reason, as ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigball.
Who knows? All right, Doug, rank your three most memorable
Heisman Trophy winners ceremony, whether it be seasons however you
(37:33):
want to do it. But the three most memorable Heisman's.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I would go Charles Woodson because he was a defensive player,
all right, Charles Woodson, because he's a defensive player, that
would be three. I think rocket Ishmael is two. I
mean he was Notre Dame. Notre Dame football was bigger
than anything back then. Plus his nickname is the Rocket, right.
And then I think Desmond Howard honestly is number one one,
(38:00):
mostly because the play, the Heisman pose. It just all worked,
just all worked.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
All right. Finally, Doug, rank your favorite NFL fan base
that you like to see lose.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Ooh, Jets at three. That's because we only talk about
the Jets because most New York sports most New York
sports guys become big name sports guys, but they want
to talk about Syracuse, the Jets, and the Mets in
the Islander or the Rangers. Two is the Cowboys, and
number one is the Eagles. Everybody likes to see them
lose down and that's the game time all right? Coming up?
(38:32):
Don't call it throwback or excuse me. Tuesday morning Quarterback
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