December 15, 2025 • 25 mins
Doug brings up the one thing no one is talking about as it relates to the Micah Parsons injury. Doug reacts to Brady Quinn's take on Philip Rivers. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Mike Kafka makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show Years in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in. I'm going to say something in
the pod which has not been said yet on radio
or I'm aware on podcast. So I was in my
office today and everybody in Green Bay is just crestfallen
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because in addition to losing last night's game against the
Denver Broncos, they lost Michael Parsons for the year with
the torn ACL and you know Watson's out as well.
You know, there's a lot there just feels like there's
gonna be too many injuries for this backer team to overcome.
But the part that no one has mentioned is, remember
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all the discussion about turf and how turf leads the
more injury, and Turf is the reason guys tear the
RACL and Turf is the devil, and Turf needs to go.
So yesterday I'm watching the Broncos game and parsons knee
pretty obviously hyper extends, and you know it's an injury,
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and if you're on social media, soon you learn that
it's an ACL which has been confirmed today. And then
you're watching Pat Mahomes and you watch his knee and
you realize why the reports are what they are, and
ultimately you circle back to Parsons and Mahomes were both hurt,
they both tore their knee, and they're both on grass.
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Football is an unbelievably dangerous sport. Yes, there's more achilles
and injuries than we've ever had before.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Now we're on the knee injuries.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And who wins the Super Bowl generally is the team
that is talented, is well coached, but is also the healthiest,
which would count out the Packers. And obviously the Chiefs
aren't going to the playoffs. That's the big thing that
happened this weekend, the Chiefs being eliminated from the playoffs,
Pad Mahomes getting hurt. They have dominated the AFC, they
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frankly dominated football, and now they're not in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yes, we enjoyed the Philip Rivers story.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It was fun. It was funny if you're a Charger
fan finding a way to win a game when traditionally,
even when the other team have a backup, you'd find
a way to lose a game.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The Vikings beating the Cowboys last night. For JJ McCarthy
was so desperately in need to a win. That was
big time, even.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Though they're already out of the playoff chase.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But to me, the biggest thing is the injuries going
forward and how that shapes the playoffs. And now we
have the unquestioned most dynamic defensive pass rusher pass rusher
in the league is out for the year, and how
that affects the Packers.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Oh yeah, and the Chiefs are out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
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Speaker 3 (03:07):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Every day, this time in the Bonus Podcast to play
for you a previous version of Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One Show. Here's Braddy Quinn from Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe talking about the Colts and Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I'll throw this out there. Watching the beginning of that game,
I kept thinking to myself, Riley Leonard must have done
something or not shown something to have put the team
in the position where they felt like they needed to
do this because there was nothing that Philip did that
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I thought Riley Leonard couldn't do.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I mean again, at the end of the day, their
defense kept them in that game, and they scored enough
to make it close. But I just I don't know
what happened where you didn't feel like comfortable or confident
enough as a coach putting in a game plan that
Riley Leonard could execute, who at this moment like has
a better arm, is a better athlete and you know
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you're out there, you know you taking some of the
decision making maybe off his plate, But I don't know, man,
that's it was as awesome as it was to see
him out there five years after the fact, there was
an element of reality where you're like.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Man, uh yeah again.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think Brady answered the question himself right that if
you have to take the decision making off his plate,
that means you don't trust his decision making because he's
not ready. And I think you the fear for Shane
Stykeen is one you know, look, he's trying to give
his team the best possible chance to win, period stop.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That's all that matters to him.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And if you play somebody before that you're ready, then
one you can do them irreparable harm, and two you
can do your team irreparable harm. So I think he
answered the question in his own answer by saying it's
not really about his arm strength in any way. Instead,
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it's about his decision making, which is not yet ready
for this level of football.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Remember, if you're.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Playing rather than Leonard, you're not just playing him in
an NFL game, you're playing him against the Seahawks in
a game that could well decide whether or not to
get the playoffs, and so you fell on the side
of experience as opposed to talent. Here's Colin Calhert talking
about the end of the Chiefs dynasty.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
It's not pretty. And I've said this for the last
three weeks. I've asked every guest rebuild or retool. I
think it's more of a rebuild. I mean, their second
best player or best players, a center, they got a
really good corner Mahomes down surgery. I think it's a
bit of a rebuild.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
The good news is they're getting more draft picks up
near the top of rounds. I wouldn't be surprised now.
So if they some of the older guys maybe take
a seat, rest a little bit, catch their breath, if
you know what I mean. Wink wink, nudge, nudge, and
they keep that draft pick moving up. That's what they need.
That's what it feels like. But here's the thing. It
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hasn't felt right the last three seasons. They're sixteenth in
scoring and seventeenth in yards per play. This has been
happening for years. But the coaching was so good. Mahomes
was so special. But this thing is, we've been kind
of convincing ourselves. Even the guys in the deadert Desert
Vegas have been convincing themselves. You know, they're not that
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far off. I think it's more of a rebuild than
people think.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I would agree we call on this one because you know,
you got to rebuild your entire receiving corps. You got
to get a high level tight end. You're gonna have
to get better at running back, You're gonna have to
get better at offensive line. And some of that is
they've drafted, well, we got to continue to draft, uh
and then you got to figure out kind of defensively
as well. I mean that it was the most dynamic
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offense and football and now it's not.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It does give me.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Or maybe gives the Patriots even more respect because you're, like, dude,
Patriots never had a year like this, even when even
when Tom Brady got hurt, and it does have memories
of how it ended in Philadelphia for Andy Reid. The
good news for Andy Reid is he is going to
have my homes back. They will draft high, and they
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draft generally pretty well. And I do think that their
problems are all out there on full blast for everybody
to see.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Josh Allen the Bills.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
That was a playoff like performance. You're down twenty one
to nothing, You're in New England, and all of a sudden,
social media has got your coach fired, and the Bills
will never win a super Bowl and the you know,
the Patriots could be the best team in football to
Buffalo ends up winning that game. And now you don't
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have Mahomes in there. You don't have Joe Burrow. I
don't know if we're gonna have Lamar Jackson, but you
do have Josh Allen. And Josh Allen is the best
quarterback right now in football. If I was gonna look
at can that guy win a game. That guy, you know,
Stafford's probably gonna be your MVP. But I'm looking at
one guy dominating, and Josh Allen is that guy. Now,
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I don't think the team is great. They might be good,
but what he's doing, and now what we expect him
to do, this isn't the best Buffalo team. I love
James Cook, you know, he runs hard. I just I
don't know if they have enough. But maybe they don't
need enough this year.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's a great point from Dan. Maybe they don't need that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
We hold these Super Bowl teams to a standard that
maybe they don't have to be held to. Not discussed
is the fact that they they got the ball in
the plush, you know, in plus six territory after the
kickoff in the third quarter, so they only had to
go forty four yards on six plays. Not discussed is
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the Patriots third quarter was an abject disaster, right three
and out and then the only other possession they threw
an interception on the seventh play of a drive.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
As opposed to the Bills, who.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown in the third quarter, this game
was one of loss. With the adjustments made at halftime,
and that's where the Bills staff really separated itself. That's
what the Fox says say.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
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Speaker 3 (09:42):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
And now it's your annoying, hey, Doug. Rarely do I
do like a rarely do I do?
Speaker 8 (09:57):
A theme? Each of these follow the same theme, and
it's this, where is the decorum? Where is the humility?
Where is the sense of decency? I'm gonna start with
the less to less egregious of the three from the weekend,
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JJ McCarthy scored a touchdown. JJ McCarthy could walk into
the end zone. He chose to do the dougie. I've
been told that's what it's called the dougie. And after
the game he said this about the dance before he
went into the end zone.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
I did it in practice and I was told not
to do it. So it just me, you know, being
who I am, It's like, oh, now I'm more enticed
to do it. But if it's that open, obviously, just
getting the end zone no matter what and be coachable
and do what my coach said. So yeah, I'll definitely
get a minus for that one.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
Yeah, O'Connell wasn't wasn't happy at all, and JJ McCarthy
just admitted it. I was told not to do it
and I still did it. This is the same guy
that was getting his ask kicked for most of this
season and he's feeling himself. But it's just kind of it.
I think it speaks to maybe the generation he's just
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the lack of humility in these situations. In other words,
you are one play away from getting your clock cleaned
in that sport. We saw yesterday too with Brock Purdy
kind of showing the ball to it to a defender.
Everyone should just watch the Jackson Dart hit over and
over and over again from last week and maybe you
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will gain a sense of humility and decency. And then also,
when your coach tells you not to do something and
then you do it anyways, and then you admit in
a press conference afterwards that you were so brazen that
you still did it, it just struck me wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, you do get away with it because you're in
your first year playing. You do get away with it
because you can say, I was just so excit I did.
I screwed up, and you do get a bit of
a pass because he admitted that he was told not
to do it. But I would be very happy, and
I think the Vikings would if you never saw it again.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Diego Pavia, I'm gonna let you react to this tweet,
So skip Bayless says on Twitter yesterday or maybe a
Saturday night Congress to Fernando Mendoza. Nice memorized, rehearse speech,
but Diego Pavia deserved the award for his performance on
the field, even if a swagger and edge rubbed some
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voters and viewers the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well yeah, I mean Diego Pavia went out to a
club and was posting fuck the voters, That's what he did,
and then he apologized about today like two days later.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I love the making fun of Diego Pavia with the
if axe body spray was a person. That's what he
looked like, you know, and he had the whole look going.
One thing is Marshall Falk should have won the Heisman
Trophy and dominkin Seux should have won the Heisman Trophy.
Neither did. Neither was neither was this obnoxious, and he's
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been obnoxious, and I you know, you don't have to
kiss the ring of college football, but god, are you
fucking obnoxious, Diego Pavia.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
There's a lot of people who owe you a lot
of money because you sued the NCAA and got an
extra year because you were in junior college during the
COVID year. If we're honest with ourselves, you shouldn't be
playing college football this year. You've played enough, you made money.
We should be good.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You got an extra year, great, and you had a
great season. Great season.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
There's a class and a dignity required for the position
and you lack it, And especially when it comes down
to the Heisman Trophy. And for people who say Diego Pavi
was a better player than for Nano Mendoza, they may
be right, but he is not or has not proven
to be a better person than for Nando Mendoza. So
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thank goodness they picked the right guy, because that guy's
a positive representative of the band. And Diego Pavia looks
like all of us when we were in college.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
If you gave us some money, we'd probably be a
little douchey.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
But the thing about Skip's tweet is that like he
answers his own question in the tweet, you know when
he when he says that maybe his swagger and edge
rubb voters wrong. I think the fact that they've voted
for Mendoza tells you everything you need to know. And
then Pavia has only proven since not getting it that
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he wasn't the person. In other words, he confirmed it
by his actions. He actually did like a give and
take on social media with one of the UK papers
right before the Heisman Trophy. You know, he's kind of
doing the car wash of media and stuff, and he
had this exchange that was the.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Best college footle player at all time Jael.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
Or march X neither mean neighbor mean me? So the
best college football player of all time? Neither, It's me.
And I think in a vacuum you could just kind
of take that as him joking, but every other action
has proven that he actually believes that, and he has
zero humility. So it's like, again, the theme of this
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is a lack of humility and the lot the last
one being Donald J. Trump, our president. So Rob Briiner
and his wife are murdered this weekend in their home
and our president went on his social media and said
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that they were murdered, reportedly due to the anger he
caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with
a mind crip point of ze disease known as Trump
derangement syndrome, something referred to TDS. I think that there's
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like a there's two disturbing things about this fat One
the fact that our president actually thought to write that
in the wake of a awful murder, and two that
the reaction has not been violent enough in putting Trump
in his place. I've seen a couple conservative people, influencers
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and whatnot try to distance themselves from this. But this
isn't acceptable on any level. And so there's zero decency
in this comment. But he doesn't really have any decency
as he carries himself. There's never been any kind of decorum.
It's always been my biggest problem with the guys that
you can be an amazing business guy who makes America
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a bunch of money. I don't even know if he
does that, but he says he does. But if if
you're not going to carry yourself with the decency in decorum,
you're never going to get that credit. That you so
eagerly want, like you're never going to get that. This
might be his worst tweet, and that says a lot.
He's been saying a lot of dumb shit.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
He's a piece of shit as a person, That's what
he is. He's a piece of shit as a person.
He lied about Obama and where he's born. He's never
come clean about it, you know, he's never owned up
to it. There's other things he's done. Forget about Rob
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Reiner as a brilliant filmmaker or a funny actor, whatever
his political leanings, it doesn't matter. He's a piece of
shit as a person, right, He's a piece of shit
as a person. Only a shitty person does that. And
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I'm not you know, like one of the things about
our generation we always cap on or crap on, you know,
gen Z. But one of the things about our generation
that kind of sucks, Jason, and I wonder if you
agree with it is women especially But you know, we
have a tendency to label people things that are really strong,
calling people narcissists all the time. Right, that's the big thing,
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the search for narcissism. But you found it here, right,
because his whole thing is it's all about him. Remember
a husband and a wife were in their home on
a Sunday, were murdered by their child, and he takes
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to his social media account as the president of the
United States of America and says the reason with no facts,
no nothing, no decorum, no sympathy, no empathy, no nothing. Basically,
he tries to use it to score political points and
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to shit some on two people.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Who were just murdered.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
What a fucking piece of shit he is, That's what
he is. Only a shitty person does that. Only a
shitty person there is no other way, and a narcissist
because he makes it about everything about himself. It's about myself. Hey,
it's about me. He didn't like me, so that's why
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he got murdered. Are you fucking kidding me? First of all,
even if that was the case, just like the KKK
supporting him or any of these proud boys whatever, all
you have to say is, hey, listen, I'm happy you're
supporting me. My policies are not meant for you, not
meant to help you, and I don't need you to
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win an election because he actually didn't. He doesn't need
white supremacists to win an election, but he would.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Never do it, never do it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And if Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered because
of their political beliefs, then what he should say, as
president and the most powerful man the free world is
violence because of political thought or activism is wrong, just
like it was wrong with Charlie kirk At murdered, just
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like it was wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
But he can't.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
All he wants to do is shit on anybody who
doesn't bow down him. And again, I have friends, lots
of friends who are taking this pill and swallowing it.
I even saw Sage Steele, who's a dear friend. I
went to her wedding and she's like a trumper. She
was like, well, she tweeted out, this is disappointing. I
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hope it doesn't take away from all the good he's doing,
which is kind of what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
My point is like might take away. It completely takes
away because he's a shitty person. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Go back to all those tragedies when Obama would show
up and would hug babies, would would would hold parents,
would talk to them, would call people. He had decency,
he had empathy, he had grace, he had fucking courage again,
and this speaks to all the people who are so
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blindly loyal. You sound like the dumbest, least empathetic, biggest
asshole ever. We don't dislike you because of fucking Trump's policies.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Again, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Never been about being a president, has never truly been
about policies. It's about the type of person you are.
You represent all of us. I just I'm glad you
brought it up. I'm glad you showed that what people
don't understand about you, Jason, which is you're not some
I'm gonna I'm gonna be a Trumper and this is
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what I do. Like, No, you call that bullshit on
everybody on either side, but this is it's prehensible.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And the one thing I try and be is fair.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I try and be have you know, if I'm gonna
shit on Skip Bayless for his tweet when when Hamlin
went down with a heart attack or other tweets, whatever,
I gotta do the same with the present of the
United States because this is just wrong. It just makes
us all. I mean, like, that's who you voted for.
The fuck Jesus what else?
Speaker 8 (22:29):
No, that's it. So Trump's the most annoying.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, he's an asshole and he's annoying. Fuck him. Let's
move on.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 8 (22:47):
Hey Doug, So, I don't know if you knew this.
I don't think anybody's watching, but the NFC East is
the subject of Hard Knocks in the season. Nobody really
watches the end season one, and the Giants, of course,
are very familiar with the Hard Knocks crew, as their
GM made a notorious comment and exchange that basically got
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the off season Hard Knocks fired Mike Kofka, Giants interim
head coach. It was reported that this is kind of
his tryout, see if he's going to stick around. Uh,
judging by yesterday's game, I don't think he's going to
be sticking around. And but leading up to this game,
he had dressed his his players in a meeting on
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Hard Knocks and it sounded like this, Hey.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Guys, we lost as a team, all three fingers. We
lost as a fucking team, But we're gonna fucking win
as a team too, and that's gonna be coming after
the Bobo.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
The reality is is we have four fucking opportunities left with.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
Just this group right here, Like everybody look at each other.
We got four ops together, man, four fucking opportunities like you.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm gonna give you everything I got to go for
and a one weekend time we're going.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Out and swingings. I fucking love this scene.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
The results haven't been where we're at and what we want.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I fucking love this scene. I promise you we're gonna
get to where we want to go recharges by week
or come back and go fucking dominate.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And if you had about that fucking life, beet the
fuck out you guys, feel me on that.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
That's what I want to be in this screw.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
All right, it's pretty good. Do you do not like it?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
No, that's because we can't. He says a lot of
funk bombs.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
We're gonna always ask you, you know what he's like.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
He's just trying to get the most he can out
of him.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So I like it. I like it. And by the way,
the use of is that adjective?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is that adverb when you say everything you know, fucking
we're gonna play fucking hard, fucking good looking, like, what
is it?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
What is that? What is fucking ass? Is that the
adjective adverb?
Speaker 8 (25:04):
What is that huh.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I don't I don't know, but I have an assistant
coaching adjective. Yeah, he is. He uses the F word
as an adjective. It's it's quite mesmerizing. I've heard six
in a sentence as well, a bit of a run
on sentence, but it was definitely a sentence.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
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Speaker 2 (25:24):
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Speaker 3 (25:28):
I'm Doug Gotlieb
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show Years in
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in. I'm going to say something in
the pod which has not been said yet on radio
or I'm aware on podcast. So I was in my
office today and everybody in Green Bay is just crestfallen
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because in addition to losing last night's game against the
Denver Broncos, they lost Michael Parsons for the year with
the torn ACL and you know Watson's out as well.
You know, there's a lot there just feels like there's
gonna be too many injuries for this backer team to overcome.
But the part that no one has mentioned is, remember
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all the discussion about turf and how turf leads the
more injury, and Turf is the reason guys tear the
RACL and Turf is the devil, and Turf needs to go.
So yesterday I'm watching the Broncos game and parsons knee
pretty obviously hyper extends, and you know it's an injury,
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and if you're on social media, soon you learn that
it's an ACL which has been confirmed today. And then
you're watching Pat Mahomes and you watch his knee and
you realize why the reports are what they are, and
ultimately you circle back to Parsons and Mahomes were both hurt,
they both tore their knee, and they're both on grass.
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Football is an unbelievably dangerous sport. Yes, there's more achilles
and injuries than we've ever had before.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Now we're on the knee injuries.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And who wins the Super Bowl generally is the team
that is talented, is well coached, but is also the healthiest,
which would count out the Packers. And obviously the Chiefs
aren't going to the playoffs. That's the big thing that
happened this weekend, the Chiefs being eliminated from the playoffs,
Pad Mahomes getting hurt. They have dominated the AFC, they
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frankly dominated football, and now they're not in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yes, we enjoyed the Philip Rivers story.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It was fun. It was funny if you're a Charger
fan finding a way to win a game when traditionally,
even when the other team have a backup, you'd find
a way to lose a game.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The Vikings beating the Cowboys last night. For JJ McCarthy
was so desperately in need to a win. That was
big time, even.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Though they're already out of the playoff chase.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But to me, the biggest thing is the injuries going
forward and how that shapes the playoffs. And now we
have the unquestioned most dynamic defensive pass rusher pass rusher
in the league is out for the year, and how
that affects the Packers.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Oh yeah, and the Chiefs are out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
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Speaker 3 (03:07):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Every day, this time in the Bonus Podcast to play
for you a previous version of Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One Show. Here's Braddy Quinn from Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe talking about the Colts and Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I'll throw this out there. Watching the beginning of that game,
I kept thinking to myself, Riley Leonard must have done
something or not shown something to have put the team
in the position where they felt like they needed to
do this because there was nothing that Philip did that
(03:45):
I thought Riley Leonard couldn't do.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I mean again, at the end of the day, their
defense kept them in that game, and they scored enough
to make it close. But I just I don't know
what happened where you didn't feel like comfortable or confident
enough as a coach putting in a game plan that
Riley Leonard could execute, who at this moment like has
a better arm, is a better athlete and you know
(04:13):
you're out there, you know you taking some of the
decision making maybe off his plate, But I don't know, man,
that's it was as awesome as it was to see
him out there five years after the fact, there was
an element of reality where you're like.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Man, uh yeah again.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think Brady answered the question himself right that if
you have to take the decision making off his plate,
that means you don't trust his decision making because he's
not ready. And I think you the fear for Shane
Stykeen is one you know, look, he's trying to give
his team the best possible chance to win, period stop.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That's all that matters to him.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And if you play somebody before that you're ready, then
one you can do them irreparable harm, and two you
can do your team irreparable harm. So I think he
answered the question in his own answer by saying it's
not really about his arm strength in any way. Instead,
(05:16):
it's about his decision making, which is not yet ready
for this level of football.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Remember, if you're.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Playing rather than Leonard, you're not just playing him in
an NFL game, you're playing him against the Seahawks in
a game that could well decide whether or not to
get the playoffs, and so you fell on the side
of experience as opposed to talent. Here's Colin Calhert talking
about the end of the Chiefs dynasty.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
It's not pretty. And I've said this for the last
three weeks. I've asked every guest rebuild or retool. I
think it's more of a rebuild. I mean, their second
best player or best players, a center, they got a
really good corner Mahomes down surgery. I think it's a
bit of a rebuild.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
The good news is they're getting more draft picks up
near the top of rounds. I wouldn't be surprised now.
So if they some of the older guys maybe take
a seat, rest a little bit, catch their breath, if
you know what I mean. Wink wink, nudge, nudge, and
they keep that draft pick moving up. That's what they need.
That's what it feels like. But here's the thing. It
(06:14):
hasn't felt right the last three seasons. They're sixteenth in
scoring and seventeenth in yards per play. This has been
happening for years. But the coaching was so good. Mahomes
was so special. But this thing is, we've been kind
of convincing ourselves. Even the guys in the deadert Desert
Vegas have been convincing themselves. You know, they're not that
(06:36):
far off. I think it's more of a rebuild than
people think.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I would agree we call on this one because you know,
you got to rebuild your entire receiving corps. You got
to get a high level tight end. You're gonna have
to get better at running back, You're gonna have to
get better at offensive line. And some of that is
they've drafted, well, we got to continue to draft, uh
and then you got to figure out kind of defensively
as well. I mean that it was the most dynamic
(07:00):
offense and football and now it's not.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It does give me.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Or maybe gives the Patriots even more respect because you're, like, dude,
Patriots never had a year like this, even when even
when Tom Brady got hurt, and it does have memories
of how it ended in Philadelphia for Andy Reid. The
good news for Andy Reid is he is going to
have my homes back. They will draft high, and they
(07:30):
draft generally pretty well. And I do think that their
problems are all out there on full blast for everybody
to see.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Josh Allen the Bills.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
That was a playoff like performance. You're down twenty one
to nothing, You're in New England, and all of a sudden,
social media has got your coach fired, and the Bills
will never win a super Bowl and the you know,
the Patriots could be the best team in football to
Buffalo ends up winning that game. And now you don't
(08:00):
have Mahomes in there. You don't have Joe Burrow. I
don't know if we're gonna have Lamar Jackson, but you
do have Josh Allen. And Josh Allen is the best
quarterback right now in football. If I was gonna look
at can that guy win a game. That guy, you know,
Stafford's probably gonna be your MVP. But I'm looking at
one guy dominating, and Josh Allen is that guy. Now,
(08:22):
I don't think the team is great. They might be good,
but what he's doing, and now what we expect him
to do, this isn't the best Buffalo team. I love
James Cook, you know, he runs hard. I just I
don't know if they have enough. But maybe they don't
need enough this year.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's a great point from Dan. Maybe they don't need that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
We hold these Super Bowl teams to a standard that
maybe they don't have to be held to. Not discussed
is the fact that they they got the ball in
the plush, you know, in plus six territory after the
kickoff in the third quarter, so they only had to
go forty four yards on six plays. Not discussed is
(09:06):
the Patriots third quarter was an abject disaster, right three
and out and then the only other possession they threw
an interception on the seventh play of a drive.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
As opposed to the Bills, who.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown in the third quarter, this game
was one of loss. With the adjustments made at halftime,
and that's where the Bills staff really separated itself. That's
what the Fox says say.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
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Speaker 3 (09:42):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
And now it's your annoying, hey, Doug. Rarely do I
do like a rarely do I do?
Speaker 8 (09:57):
A theme? Each of these follow the same theme, and
it's this, where is the decorum? Where is the humility?
Where is the sense of decency? I'm gonna start with
the less to less egregious of the three from the weekend,
(10:18):
JJ McCarthy scored a touchdown. JJ McCarthy could walk into
the end zone. He chose to do the dougie. I've
been told that's what it's called the dougie. And after
the game he said this about the dance before he
went into the end zone.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
I did it in practice and I was told not
to do it. So it just me, you know, being
who I am, It's like, oh, now I'm more enticed
to do it. But if it's that open, obviously, just
getting the end zone no matter what and be coachable
and do what my coach said. So yeah, I'll definitely
get a minus for that one.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
Yeah, O'Connell wasn't wasn't happy at all, and JJ McCarthy
just admitted it. I was told not to do it
and I still did it. This is the same guy
that was getting his ask kicked for most of this
season and he's feeling himself. But it's just kind of it.
I think it speaks to maybe the generation he's just
(11:12):
the lack of humility in these situations. In other words,
you are one play away from getting your clock cleaned
in that sport. We saw yesterday too with Brock Purdy
kind of showing the ball to it to a defender.
Everyone should just watch the Jackson Dart hit over and
over and over again from last week and maybe you
(11:34):
will gain a sense of humility and decency. And then also,
when your coach tells you not to do something and
then you do it anyways, and then you admit in
a press conference afterwards that you were so brazen that
you still did it, it just struck me wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, you do get away with it because you're in
your first year playing. You do get away with it
because you can say, I was just so excit I did.
I screwed up, and you do get a bit of
a pass because he admitted that he was told not
to do it. But I would be very happy, and
I think the Vikings would if you never saw it again.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Diego Pavia, I'm gonna let you react to this tweet,
So skip Bayless says on Twitter yesterday or maybe a
Saturday night Congress to Fernando Mendoza. Nice memorized, rehearse speech,
but Diego Pavia deserved the award for his performance on
the field, even if a swagger and edge rubbed some
(12:34):
voters and viewers the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well yeah, I mean Diego Pavia went out to a
club and was posting fuck the voters, That's what he did,
and then he apologized about today like two days later.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I love the making fun of Diego Pavia with the
if axe body spray was a person. That's what he
looked like, you know, and he had the whole look going.
One thing is Marshall Falk should have won the Heisman
Trophy and dominkin Seux should have won the Heisman Trophy.
Neither did. Neither was neither was this obnoxious, and he's
(13:10):
been obnoxious, and I you know, you don't have to
kiss the ring of college football, but god, are you
fucking obnoxious, Diego Pavia.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
There's a lot of people who owe you a lot
of money because you sued the NCAA and got an
extra year because you were in junior college during the
COVID year. If we're honest with ourselves, you shouldn't be
playing college football this year. You've played enough, you made money.
We should be good.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You got an extra year, great, and you had a
great season. Great season.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
There's a class and a dignity required for the position
and you lack it, And especially when it comes down
to the Heisman Trophy. And for people who say Diego Pavi
was a better player than for Nano Mendoza, they may
be right, but he is not or has not proven
to be a better person than for Nando Mendoza. So
(14:10):
thank goodness they picked the right guy, because that guy's
a positive representative of the band. And Diego Pavia looks
like all of us when we were in college.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
If you gave us some money, we'd probably be a
little douchey.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
But the thing about Skip's tweet is that like he
answers his own question in the tweet, you know when
he when he says that maybe his swagger and edge
rubb voters wrong. I think the fact that they've voted
for Mendoza tells you everything you need to know. And
then Pavia has only proven since not getting it that
(14:42):
he wasn't the person. In other words, he confirmed it
by his actions. He actually did like a give and
take on social media with one of the UK papers
right before the Heisman Trophy. You know, he's kind of
doing the car wash of media and stuff, and he
had this exchange that was the.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Best college footle player at all time Jael.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
Or march X neither mean neighbor mean me? So the
best college football player of all time? Neither, It's me.
And I think in a vacuum you could just kind
of take that as him joking, but every other action
has proven that he actually believes that, and he has
zero humility. So it's like, again, the theme of this
(15:27):
is a lack of humility and the lot the last
one being Donald J. Trump, our president. So Rob Briiner
and his wife are murdered this weekend in their home
and our president went on his social media and said
(15:49):
that they were murdered, reportedly due to the anger he
caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with
a mind crip point of ze disease known as Trump
derangement syndrome, something referred to TDS. I think that there's
(16:09):
like a there's two disturbing things about this fat One
the fact that our president actually thought to write that
in the wake of a awful murder, and two that
the reaction has not been violent enough in putting Trump
in his place. I've seen a couple conservative people, influencers
(16:32):
and whatnot try to distance themselves from this. But this
isn't acceptable on any level. And so there's zero decency
in this comment. But he doesn't really have any decency
as he carries himself. There's never been any kind of decorum.
It's always been my biggest problem with the guys that
you can be an amazing business guy who makes America
(16:55):
a bunch of money. I don't even know if he
does that, but he says he does. But if if
you're not going to carry yourself with the decency in decorum,
you're never going to get that credit. That you so
eagerly want, like you're never going to get that. This
might be his worst tweet, and that says a lot.
He's been saying a lot of dumb shit.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
He's a piece of shit as a person, That's what
he is. He's a piece of shit as a person.
He lied about Obama and where he's born. He's never
come clean about it, you know, he's never owned up
to it. There's other things he's done. Forget about Rob
(17:36):
Reiner as a brilliant filmmaker or a funny actor, whatever
his political leanings, it doesn't matter. He's a piece of
shit as a person, right, He's a piece of shit
as a person. Only a shitty person does that. And
(17:58):
I'm not you know, like one of the things about
our generation we always cap on or crap on, you know,
gen Z. But one of the things about our generation
that kind of sucks, Jason, and I wonder if you
agree with it is women especially But you know, we
have a tendency to label people things that are really strong,
calling people narcissists all the time. Right, that's the big thing,
(18:20):
the search for narcissism. But you found it here, right,
because his whole thing is it's all about him. Remember
a husband and a wife were in their home on
a Sunday, were murdered by their child, and he takes
(18:41):
to his social media account as the president of the
United States of America and says the reason with no facts,
no nothing, no decorum, no sympathy, no empathy, no nothing. Basically,
he tries to use it to score political points and
(19:03):
to shit some on two people.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Who were just murdered.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
What a fucking piece of shit he is, That's what
he is. Only a shitty person does that. Only a
shitty person there is no other way, and a narcissist
because he makes it about everything about himself. It's about myself. Hey,
it's about me. He didn't like me, so that's why
(19:29):
he got murdered. Are you fucking kidding me? First of all,
even if that was the case, just like the KKK
supporting him or any of these proud boys whatever, all
you have to say is, hey, listen, I'm happy you're
supporting me. My policies are not meant for you, not
meant to help you, and I don't need you to
(19:49):
win an election because he actually didn't. He doesn't need
white supremacists to win an election, but he would.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Never do it, never do it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And if Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered because
of their political beliefs, then what he should say, as
president and the most powerful man the free world is
violence because of political thought or activism is wrong, just
like it was wrong with Charlie kirk At murdered, just
(20:17):
like it was wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
But he can't.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
All he wants to do is shit on anybody who
doesn't bow down him. And again, I have friends, lots
of friends who are taking this pill and swallowing it.
I even saw Sage Steele, who's a dear friend. I
went to her wedding and she's like a trumper. She
was like, well, she tweeted out, this is disappointing. I
(20:40):
hope it doesn't take away from all the good he's doing,
which is kind of what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
My point is like might take away. It completely takes
away because he's a shitty person. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Go back to all those tragedies when Obama would show
up and would hug babies, would would would hold parents,
would talk to them, would call people. He had decency,
he had empathy, he had grace, he had fucking courage again,
and this speaks to all the people who are so
(21:17):
blindly loyal. You sound like the dumbest, least empathetic, biggest
asshole ever. We don't dislike you because of fucking Trump's policies.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Again, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Never been about being a president, has never truly been
about policies. It's about the type of person you are.
You represent all of us. I just I'm glad you
brought it up. I'm glad you showed that what people
don't understand about you, Jason, which is you're not some
I'm gonna I'm gonna be a Trumper and this is
(21:53):
what I do. Like, No, you call that bullshit on
everybody on either side, but this is it's prehensible.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And the one thing I try and be is fair.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I try and be have you know, if I'm gonna
shit on Skip Bayless for his tweet when when Hamlin
went down with a heart attack or other tweets, whatever,
I gotta do the same with the present of the
United States because this is just wrong. It just makes
us all. I mean, like, that's who you voted for.
The fuck Jesus what else?
Speaker 8 (22:29):
No, that's it. So Trump's the most annoying.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, he's an asshole and he's annoying. Fuck him. Let's
move on.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 8 (22:47):
Hey Doug, So, I don't know if you knew this.
I don't think anybody's watching, but the NFC East is
the subject of Hard Knocks in the season. Nobody really
watches the end season one, and the Giants, of course,
are very familiar with the Hard Knocks crew, as their
GM made a notorious comment and exchange that basically got
(23:10):
the off season Hard Knocks fired Mike Kofka, Giants interim
head coach. It was reported that this is kind of
his tryout, see if he's going to stick around. Uh,
judging by yesterday's game, I don't think he's going to
be sticking around. And but leading up to this game,
he had dressed his his players in a meeting on
(23:32):
Hard Knocks and it sounded like this, Hey.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Guys, we lost as a team, all three fingers. We
lost as a fucking team, But we're gonna fucking win
as a team too, and that's gonna be coming after
the Bobo.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
The reality is is we have four fucking opportunities left with.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
Just this group right here, Like everybody look at each other.
We got four ops together, man, four fucking opportunities like you.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm gonna give you everything I got to go for
and a one weekend time we're going.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Out and swingings. I fucking love this scene.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
The results haven't been where we're at and what we want.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I fucking love this scene. I promise you we're gonna
get to where we want to go recharges by week
or come back and go fucking dominate.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And if you had about that fucking life, beet the
fuck out you guys, feel me on that.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
That's what I want to be in this screw.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
All right, it's pretty good. Do you do not like it?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
No, that's because we can't. He says a lot of
funk bombs.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
We're gonna always ask you, you know what he's like.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
He's just trying to get the most he can out
of him.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So I like it. I like it. And by the way,
the use of is that adjective?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is that adverb when you say everything you know, fucking
we're gonna play fucking hard, fucking good looking, like, what
is it?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
What is that? What is fucking ass? Is that the
adjective adverb?
Speaker 8 (25:04):
What is that huh.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I don't I don't know, but I have an assistant
coaching adjective. Yeah, he is. He uses the F word
as an adjective. It's it's quite mesmerizing. I've heard six
in a sentence as well, a bit of a run
on sentence, but it was definitely a sentence.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Why can we play for you? Because we can. That's
it for the In the Modus podcast.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
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