December 15, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Monday edition of the Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug was waiting to call time of death on the Chiefs until it was official, and now does a post mortem on the dynasty.
In this installment of "Love AND Hate", Doug and the crew share what they loved most and hated most about the weekend.
Doug asks where the Shedeur Sanders supporters have been the past 24 hours. Doug welcomes former Chargers' GM Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about Philip Rivers, Pat Mahomes and all of the headlines around the NFL.
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Ooh oh oh, not my best vocal moments, but I've
had plenty of bad vocal moments in my long and
historic radio career. Welcome in. This is the DJ Show.
It's a Monday. Merry Christmas to you, Happy Hanukkah to
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your Chris. Tragic weekend obviously in Australia and in Los Angeles. Oh,
just terrible stuff. This is supposed to be the holiday season, folks. Awful.
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things that happened this weekend. Fair to say, living in
Green Bay, Wisconsin, most people will say their Super Bowl
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hopes just went out the window. Michael Parsons finally got
a holding call against him, not against him when he
was held, and yet torn acl DeVante Adams injury. There
are many injuries, none as prominent as Parsons and Pat Mahomes,
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and I let's just start there. I wouldn't do it
until it was done. And a little bit of this
is the college basketball player than analysts and now college
basketball coach that I am, which is the don't ever
call it, it's the rudy Tom Joonovich. Never underestimate the
heart of a champion. Right. Kansas won what was it
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a bajillion straight Big Twelve championships, So I wasn't picking
against them until they were eliminated to win the champion
win the Big Twelve championship. The same goes for I
mean again, you think of times in our life. You
have Kobe Bryant, Job's not done or the George bush
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You remember George bush On was it an aircraft carrier? Right?
And the war was still going on and went on afterwards?
Was like mission accomplished? Like not yet? I am a
Charger fan like the Chargers, like the Packers. Those are
my teams. Always liked the Packers, by the way, like
we just moved to Green Bay. You've been a Packer
fan for exactly one point five years more hardcore one
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point five. But I was born in Wisconsin. I born
in Milwaukee. They used to play Milwaukee. Always been a
Packer guy. But Chargers are my team and became my
team in nineteen ninety three when the Rams and then
the Raiders pulled out of Los Angeles and the Chargers
natetron means stand the man Humphreys, right, old Boss Ross
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as the coach. They end up going to a Super
Bowl getting stomped by the Denver Broncos. Right, So now
you're getting the timelines kind of. But I've watched the
Kansasity Chiefs and I thought for the last couple of
years like they're not great, and yet they pop up
in the AFC Championship Game or the Super Bowl. And
so I made a commitment to you all, but it's
really to myself. I am not gonna call time of
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death until he's dead. Do we not learn anything from
Joe Pertno, it's a quick side story for you, Dan Byer.
I was working at ESPN at the time, and everybody's like,
Joe Perturno, is he dead? Is he alive? And then
anybody who tweeted like hey rip to Joe Paterno and
you worked at ESPN, they would get mad at you,
like he's not officially dead yet, Like I didn't say anything,
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he just said rest in peace. Okay, now we can
do it. Now we can do post mortem. Now we
can declare the chiefs officially the departed, officially deceased for
this season or as as inside the NBA like to
do gone fishing. It's over. And then you have Pat
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Mahomes tearing his acl and you'll get people spinning it like,
well now he gets the proper time off, like he
tore his knee. There's nothing good about that. But the
question becomes, okay, question becomes I think threefold. There's three
questions I have. One does this make the Patriots dynasty
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look even better? Two? Is it a reload or a rebuild? Three?
What do you do with Kelsey? And maybe more importantly,
what do you do with any Reid? What do you
do with Kelsey? What do you do with him?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Read?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The first thing is I do think it makes the
Patriots look better now. It was year nine that Tom
Brady tore his ACL and then there was a there
was a span of ten years where he didn't win
a Super Bowl. But what's lost in that discussion is
year eight they went undefeated and undefeated into the Super
Bowl like they were the best team in football, winning
towards knee. Same thing. I do think there's the you know,
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and that was the only year they didn't make the playoffs,
the year that he missed. I do think there's a
difference there and that they've been able to be more consistent.
And now Kim Mahomes proved us all wrong and come
back next year and they can rebuild the team or
reload the team and get back on their winning ways. Sure,
because remember, up until this year, this is the first
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year in the seven years he's been a starting quarterback
that they haven't reached at least the ANFC Championship game.
That's insane. But if he's going to do it, Travis,
he's got to go. If he's gonna do it, I
don't think it's crazy to say Andy Reid could step aside. Now.
The one thing about Reid you might think about is
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you continue to load up more of his staff with
more guys, and he becomes a lot more of a figurehead.
That's the only thing I can think of. But you
need a completely revamped offense because the wide receivers. You know,
Rice took a hell of a hit. I know Jason
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Stewart was very happy to see that last night. But
the receivers, there's just not a lot there there. They're
gonna need another star tight end or two. They need
to completely revamp what they're doing. They started with the
offensive line. There's nothing wrong with my homes. He'll be fine.
Put better players around him, and maybe they need to
refine scheme. So the first thing is I do think
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more of the Patriots because of it. I do. The
second thing is or I would absolutely move on from
Travis Kelce. I don't think anybody would feel robbed by
his career. I don't think anybody would think it's a
bad idea for him to move on, and with any Reid,
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I don't know. He's done so much for that organization.
If he wants to fight back and rebuild it, he can.
If he wants to walk away, he can. I do
think he deserves carte blanche and then the last part
is is it a rebuild or is it a reload?
And my answer is yes. You're like, wait, that's an
or question. I know because I don't know what you
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call it. Usually a rebuild would mean new quarterback, all
new coaches, kind of an all new team, and I
don't think you need that, although I don't think if
any Reid doesn't have the energy to get rid of
some things, to cut some things, to fix some things,
to trim some things, to make himself less comfortable, and
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maybe the fourth a dndum to it, or the fourth
item is is any of this related to when Pat
Mahomes took that gargantuan deal and we thought it was
in the middle to the end of it it was
team friendly and they haven't been able to manage a
good enough roster around him ever since he had that deal.
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And I think the answer is yes. I think the
answer is yes. Byer, let me ask you, do you
rebuild or do you reload or doesn't matter what term
you use, because you're with me, you're somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, see, this is part of the problem that it's
I think that you I think that you can continue
with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. I don't think that
Travis Kelcey is a part of their future, and in fact,
I think it's one of the reasons why the Chiefs
got to this point leading up to this game is
they haven't found a spot for someone to replace a
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player like Travis Kelcey. They've also tried and missed with
other receivers that haven't panned out as well as they
would have hoped. But all in all, like amazing run,
I don't think a complete overhaul is needed by any means.
I just think that over these last couple of years
they've been able to successfully and sometimes fill spots, and
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then now they're starting to get some of the repercussions
of that where those additions and those players aren't doing
enough to make them a winning team. So I would
keep I would hope that Andy Reid would stay on,
and I hope that Mahomes is fine. But I think
that the Travis Kelcey era is over. I think they
just try to reload and revamp in spots that they
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have been unable to do for whatever reason, maybe in
the past year or two.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Does it make you
think more of the Patriots that they were able to
keep it going longer.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
No, because I think that what they did is amazing.
Like for anybody to think that someone's going to be
able to match what New England did, I think is
that's the part where we get it wrong. Their run
is just unmatched and even with the dry spell, and
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that's maybe what Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs will come
up with it during this period. Maybe this is the
dry spell where they don't win super Bowl championships. But
the only difference is Andy Reid's probably not going to
be there then for the second half of it, because
by that time maybe there would be a new coach.
But yeah, I just what New England did was just
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absolutely ridiculous on all levels. So I've always held that
in very high regard.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I have as well. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm with you on rebuild,
More Reload.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I do have one more thing just with this though,
because I think it's something that we've talked about. So
when you look at this window, if this is it,
like this is a great success. And I find it
funny because remember the Cowboys documentary we talked about and
we watched in and we consumed and we loved again.
When you look at that Jimmy Johnson Jerry Jones dynasty,
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that was three super Bowl wins in four years, and
that was it. There was no random one before, there
was no random one after. That was it. But we
look at that Cowboys team so much so that you
could make a documentary or at least half of it
be about that squad where they had great success in
four years. So what the Chiefs have done over the
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last seven eight seasons in the National Football League is
really really remarkable, especially if we're taking a Cowboys sort
of dynasty in that four year span and putting in
on such a pedestal.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's a completely fair way of looking at it. And
I have great regard for the Chiefs. I do, and
probably more so than ninety five percent of other football fans,
because I remember when the Chiefs were the good regular
season team, always lose at home in the playoffs, Always
thought it was odd that they would lose at home
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in the playoffs when they have arguably the best atmosphere
in the playoffs. Do I think that their fans got
fat and sassy and arrogant. Of course, all fan bases
do when you start winning. That's what happens. Especially the
consistency with which they won doesn't take away from me
what the team became with the franchise became, what they've
been able to do. It also shows just how monumental
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it is for this whole thing to collapse the way
in which it did collapse. And I would also point
out that that it's also interesting how good the Broncos,
how quickly the Broncos have gotten good. And I think,
look the Chargers winning yesterday. Granted you're going against backups
all over the place, especially back up at quarterback, but
they just found a way to survive. Like even then,
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you still respect the Chiefs because you're like, they'll still
find a way because they just find a way because
they're a championship team.
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Radio got a great second hour of the show, plus
an even better podcast for you. I'll save you a
little chance. I think it's absolutely positively despicable. What the
president and most powerful man the free world has tweeted
about Rob Reiner. It's gross. It's gross, you know, and
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I don't. I don't know enough about Rob Reiner's political
inanings to actually care. The movies he made are movies
that will live forever. They're amazing, amazing, And of course
he was part of All in the Family, which was
my late father's favorite TV show, and his name was
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Meathead on that show, Meathead, Meathead. That was great, Meadhead.
Let's get to our cruise views on the weekend. What
we loved, what we hated? We call it love and hate.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
What did you love?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
God, I love you?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Meet these player hays?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Do do Do Do?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Do?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Dan Byer? What'd you love from the weekend? My friend?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I know this is selfish, I know this is not
what everybody wanted, but I love how the Seahawks survived
against the Colts. It felt very weird because there is
even a part of me that wanted to root for
Philip Rivers but ultimately couldn't, and I felt everybody else
was rooting for Philip Rivers. But take out the River's
portion of the equation. For the Seahawks to win that game,
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or they kick six field goals and now have the
Rams coming into town on Thursday night. It's the perfect
trap game, a perfect opportunity for them to not live
up to expectations. And it wasn't pretty at all, but
they were able to survive and come from behind even
after the Colts thought that they had won it with
a sixty yard field goal of their own, for the
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Seahawks to be able to get in the field goal
range and have Jason Myers kick a fifty six yard
or his sixth of the game to keep them alive
for the number one overall seed in the NFC. I
really enjoyed that yesterday, even though I think the rest
of America did.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Not a couple of things. A couple things. What it
did was it eliminated some ammunition for the talk space
people debate space people like the Seahawks don't have that, Yeah,
but they lost to Blank. Like this is one of
those years where every single contender has a major flaw,
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whether it be a loss, whether it be a personnel thing.
The Seahawks haven't had that like major flaw. So this
saved you Dan for the next three weeks of being like, yeah,
but they lost to Philip Rivers at home. You know
it's that would have been the major knock on the Seahawks,
and I don't think there is one. And also I
just realized yesterday as he kicked his six field goal
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that Jason Myers combines the two horror icons from the eighties.
Did you know that?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yes, Jason and Mike Myers.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Is that a thing? Do people talk about?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
This is middle dates? Freddy?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You guys know, here's something. All right, let's get to
sam Iowa Sam which in the weekend.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
You know what, when we get to about midway through December,
our college football regular season ends, we play all of
our championship games the weekend prior, and then we got
to this past weekend and I was still hankering for
some college football and we're starting it's a little bit
of a rest period right now. Except for one thing.
We have the Army Navy game. Thank goodness we have that,
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because that's exactly what I was craving, and it delivered.
It usually delivers every year. It's always a competitive game,
usually a close game. And this was just a fantastic
Army Navy game seventeen sixteen. The Navy midshipman came back
and won it. And so if you were with some
withdrawal for some college football and you want to play,
you want to watch a game that matters to the
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country and matters to these service academies. You had Army Navy,
which was a great game. And then later the night
was a bowl game between Washington and Boise State, but
it was a blowout. So Army Navy, thank you for
satisfying my college football cravings. While we're in a bit
of a down period right now.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I loved Rob Reiner movies. Rob Reiner movie here here,
this is spinal Tap, The Princess Bride, stand by Me
when Harry met Sally Misery. A few good Men, I
mean those are sleepingts in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Isn't a few good Men your favorite movie?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Have?
Speaker 7 (18:04):
I Have? I heard you say that?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Of all time?
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Sort I love the American President too. It's on the
shortlist American President. I mean, how good is that story
of us? I mean, you just go on on on
a brilliant filmmaker, A brilliant filmmaker. Throw Mama from the
Train was also him. Do you guys remember Throw Mama
from the Train. Sure, I'm just sad today. I mean,
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you know, in the worst ways to go ever with
your wife, but killed by your son, awful, so sad.
So instead I choose the things I love. I just
loved his movies, loved him, love them, love and obviously
at the time making those movies, he's married to Petty Marshall, right,
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she was an incredible filmmaker in her own time. But
love Rob Bryer movies.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Sad that he's gone, and Doug, you know, stand by
Me is I think for a lot of a lot
of kids that grew up in the eighties and nineties,
that was a really special film for a lot of reasons,
just like the story it told, the story of friendship.
You know, it's based on a book by Stephen King,
The Body, which a lot of people probably still don't realize.
Stephen King could do horror novels, and he could do
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kind of dramatic, kind of maybe a little bit comedic
writings too. That was just a movie that I wore
out the VHS on Growing Up.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Very special to me.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I mean, like, think about He's got you know, a
few good men's in one of the greatest movies of
all time. Discussion Spinal Tap is all time great sarcastic comedy.
What is that genre called Jay ste documentary? The mockumentary, Yeah,
the mockumentary style, right, rom comms. I got two of
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the great rom comms of all time. So it's not
like like I love John Hughes films, but John Hughes
films all kind of felt the same. They're all most
of them are kids or teenage young college films, and
they were all Chicago. They all felt kind of the same.
Rob Reiner was incredible and his films felt different different genres.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Chasue very true. So I love Fernando Mendoza's acceptance speech.
For whatever reason, people are taking him to task for
it being scripted, And I would say I would much
rather see someone read a scripted, thought out, well thought
out speech than to just stumble across an improvisation like
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everything Magic Johnson has ever done a couple angles to this.
I love the specific part about this because it kind
of hits me home, and I take it very personally.
So I posted on Twitter, and the part that I
loved most it was his dedication to his mother. And
every once in a while I get one of these
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tweets that gets in the algorithm and it just blew
up and went viral. And the problem with it going
viral was ninety eight percent of it was positives. The
two percent of it was I made the unforgivable mistake
on Twitter of being a white person who referred to
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Fernando Mendoza as Francisco. My bad. That sucked, and I
was told that of course everyone looks the same and
all the racial jokes. So the great things you get
on Twitter I got over the weekend. But this is
what I posted. Fernando Mendoza talks about his mother, Alissa,
who I had not known this going in. Ye suffers
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from MS.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Mommy. This is your trophy as much as his mind.
You've always been my biggest fan. You're my light, You're
my why, you're my biggest supporter. Your sacrifices, courage, love,
those have been by first playbook and the playbook I'm
gonna carry through my side, through my entire life. You
taught me that toughness doesn't need to be loud. It
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can be quiet and strong. It's choosing hope. It's believing
in yourself when the world doesn't give you much reason
to together. You and I are rewinding what people think
is possible.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I love you.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
What an articulate expression of love and gratitude. What an
amazing thing to say. And will I don't know if
I've admitted this on the radio, but my mother suffered
from MS. She was diagnosed in the late eighties when
they had no idea what it was until her pass
in two thousand and eight. So this one just struck
me right between the heart strings. What do you want
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to say? I was a grown man in tears as
I watched this. But what a powerful moment and what
a contrast against Diego Pavia that we could probably get
to later on the show. Completely Classless Nando made a
big fan on Saturday Night.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
H hold on, I get let me, let me give
my pound of flesh. We don't have to say to
people to skip Bayless, who apparently had an issue with
the speech being rehearsed or even written. You know, Skip,
had you actually played something in your life and achieved
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something athletically in your life, okay, you would know that
when you receive an award, especially one as prestigious as
the Heisman Trophy, you're supposed to have something prepared. Matter
of fact, the criticism should be there when you aren't prepared,
when you haven't run through a speech, more so than
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when you have. When it's the biggest moment of your life,
you want to make sure and you recognize properly all
the people that helped you get to where you are.
I'm most embarrassed that I follow Skip Bayless on social
media and I knew that he made comments critical of
Fernando Mendoza's speech, which was beautiful, heartfelt. He called his
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mom mommy on National TV. You know what that is,
so Amanda's Amanda's Yeah, I echo your sentiments. I'm embarrassed
at Skip Balyss has made as much money as he
has in the media because he is heartless, clueless, and
clearly has not received a prestigious award which you have
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to prepare for because he's not a professional speech giver.
And even if he was, you still want to prepare
for it. He is a football player, a good one,
a Big Ten champion, a Heisman Trophy winner, and in
his spare time, whether he wrote it, whether he rehearsed it,
I don't care. It came across heartfelt and he said
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what he needed to say. Nobody ever goes back and goes, hey,
were you prepared for the critique of people should be
if they're not prepared for that moment, not that they are,
Dan Bira, what jate from the weekend.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Doug, There's been a lot of talk on what is
next for the Michigan Wolverines as their head coach, and
it has just been constant speculation with the biggest and
most desirable names that are still available in the college
football coaching cycle. And the reason that I hated so
much is because I think right now it's a non story.
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And I'll use Kenny Dillingham as an example. The Arizona
State head coach was thought to be Calshe had him
as the leader for the most likely coach to be
the new head coach at Michigan for a while. This
happened throughout the weekend. The school president has said that
they are doing a complete investigation of the athletic department
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and Doug. If you're a college coach, not knowing if
the athletic director or the people that were bringing you
in or being hired we're going to be around after
you accepted the job, would you be willing to take
that job. I don't think anybody would. I think there's
so much uncertainty. And it's not that Michigan did right
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or did wrong. It's just the question of there are
no answers right now, and so the kalind Bor kalend
War had to put out a statement on Sunday again
recommitting is his commitment to Alabama. I mentioned Ken Dillingham's name.
He had to talk about it this past weekend, like
it is just I understand it's the nature of the cycle.
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But this, the thing of this Michigan job right now,
is appealing for anybody is absurd considering you have no
idea what's happening on the other side of it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's a great point. I do think whoever gets the
job will probably bring their own athletic director. I do
think that's the possibility. Whether Ward Manual remains his athletic director,
I don't actually think because he did a great job
hiring Dusty Maine in the basketball side, and obviously he
stood by to watch Michigan and Jim Harball win a
national championship. He can be fired here because if he
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knew and didn't do anything about it, or put people
off the trail or delayed the findings, all that stuff
is a fireable fence, I guess would be whoever takes
it would be like, I'm gonna come, but I need
to hire this guy with me, and.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I you know, I mean, everybody knows my thoughts on Michigan,
but there's there's no denying it's a top ten, top
five job in college football. However, you you know so,
But just right now, it's just you can't take that
job if you have any hopes of or possibility of
landing another big gig elsewhere. Like Kenny Dillingham's gonna have
the same options next year if he wants to leave.
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This is not the job to take right now.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Jay su our resident hater. What j hate from the weekend?
Speaker 7 (27:37):
I am I hate the Chiefs. I'm supposed to because
I'm a Chargers fan. I hate the Chiefs. However, However,
those familiar with this program know that I have been
rooting for the Chiefs to make the playoffs because I
wanted to see their dynasty kind of have a fitting
end that somebody had to beat them, you know, beat
the man to be the man type of deal.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You want the Dann Marino humil he ate it in?
Was it Jacksonville?
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yeah, yeah that one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah. They got be by the Chargers at a home.
Is that enough?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
I mean it's one of those things where like I
love seeing the win. Really I feel bad for Patrick
Mahomes to be honest, I don't feel bad for Rashie Rise.
He took another shot yesterday. Maybe the Chiefs should wear
free Rashie Rice from Defenders Hitting the Crap out of
Him t shirts for next next week. But anyways, I
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hated seeing the Chiefs go out. It's really kind of
sad and pathetic, Like this was the character that you
invested nine episodes in the show. You're binging the villain
who is very well written, and he just kind of
gets shot by a like a swat team guy that
didn't have any speaking parts. He just kind of got
shot and died. It was just uneventful.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Thanks, I was saying, Jason wanted to see the chiefs
fall through a plate glass window into a boiling vat
of acid. That would have been the proper Hollywood send off, and.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
The swat guy without a speaking roll that they just
had to pay the day minimum to do the acting job.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
It was like, shot them gone, is the villain fades
to black? They whoever they are, say that it's the
most wonderful time of the year. Well, sure it is
if you've got your presence purchased, if you've got your
tree up, you've got your sidewalk in driveway, shovels and
all these things. I'm stressed out. We're ten days away
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from Christmas, and I'm I get stressed in this time
of year. It getting people gifts, you know, It's it's
easier when everyone's in like your same neck of the
woods and you can hand deliver them to people. But
when you have to order them online, have them sent
in time, or buy them and ship them yourself. Like
I'm sol I'm up the creek without a paddle now
because we're ten days out and there's like your package
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won't arrive until the twenty eighth, twenty ninth is what
I'm seeing now, So I am way behind and and
I had to go on some long walks instead of
doing Christmas shopping. I want on some long walks to
clear my head because I do not do well this
time of year with trying to buy things in Christmas
presents on a schedule like this.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I hate the Michael Parsons towards ACL not because I'm
I'm like some gigantic Micah Parsons fan. I do like
the Pack. I want to see the Pack and the
Chargers in the super Bowl. I think the like good
of that is not strong both teams because of injury.
But more than anything, I just I feel like Micah
Parsons and when you're college about we talked about the
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Star team all the time. The best of the best
just play harder, more consistently. Like, yeah, he's talented. But
what I love about Michael Parsons is that guy has
no off switch. You know, you go back to the
week before and it was like, how many times are
you held and no penalties called? He actually got a
holding penalty called, not all of them. But what I
love about him is he just feels like he never quits.
(30:57):
And that's not the guy that's supposed to get hurt right.
The sports gods of karma are supposed to hand injuries
to entitled players, to you know, arrogant players, to spoiled players,
to dirty players, and he's none of them. I just
I wanted to see the Packers go to the Super Bowl,
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win the Super Bowl and my second year in Green Bay,
and I don't think that's gonna happen. Yes, it's about me,
but I'm It's what I love and what I hate,
but on the weekend, and that's love and hate for
all of us.
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I watched a lot of sports this weekend. We had
the weekend off. Dan Buyer, Now the weekend off means
you're watching a lot of film, you're drinking a lot
of coffee. We had a fairly short practice, Actually wasn't
that short film practice yesterday morning, but plenty of time
to watch all the games. So I was watching the
Browns and that debacle against the Bears, and I just
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think the whole thing is all of this speaks to why,
if you're the Browns, Shador Sanders has to be one
point five x of what you think you're looking for
to keep him. Here's what I mean. They had something
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with his wristband right where I don't know if it's
the wrong wristband, if something was written on it. He
got confused by something I don't know. They changed the wristband,
and if you look on social media from that point
until today, it was Kevin Stefanski went in and changed
the wristband because he personally wants to see Shador Sanders fail.
(33:08):
Right again, that's the level of crazy we have supporting
Shadoor Sanders. We have supporting The throw to Jerry Judy
in the end zone was on the money, but it
was a great defensive play and it is one of
those ones where we always ask ourselves Why did the
guy just intercept the ball? In that case he did.
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The interception to the linebacker was a terrible throat. It
just was he didn't layer it, he didn't look, he
knew the read, he thought he was open, and he
just throw it. They're not good. He didn't play well.
That's that's kind of my synopsis of it. Here's Kevin's
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Kevin Stefanski is head coach, talking about Shador's performance.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm obviously thinking about just this game and those type
of things. He's a young player, is making progress. So,
like we've talked about all week, and I see it
in games, I get to state it in practice, there's
gonna be ups and downs to young players in particular
quarterback position. So we'll learn from it and we'll be
better next week.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Here shoud Or Standers talking about what he can learn
from a game like that.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
They had a great defensive scheme, and I enjoy playing
against him. I enjoy playing uh and that because you know,
it was definitely a little challenge. So I look forward
to learning from that and look forward to to understanding
exactly you know, how things was on filming, UH, just
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be able to learn from it.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Should or had this exchange with a reporter about the
starting job.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
You're worried about losing your job or anything like that
when he says something.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
Like that, you know what league we in, you can
lose your job at any point in time, So you don't.
You don't play. You don't play with fear when you
when you live and playing fear there you know, like
will that be yourself?
Speaker 9 (34:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So I don't.
Speaker 10 (35:00):
I don't play or live in fear. Whatever situation I'm in,
I'm in. Whatever's happens, it happens, you know. But I
live each moment and try to live these days to
the fullest. So never live and worry or fear.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I listen. I love that, Okay, I love that. Because
you can't play with one eye on the bench. You
can't worry about being pulled by the way. His coach's
told everybody we're not making a coaching a quarterback change
the rest of the year, So he doesn't have the
fear because it's not going to happen. But my point is,
this is a lot like whether it's an old school
walk on versus scholarship player, or you know, Jay stud
(35:37):
take your Dodgers. You know a guy you pay twenty
million two is supposed to guy you pay a million two.
The guy you pay a million two has to be
one point five x better than the twenty million guy,
because otherwise, like why are you pay him twenty million dollars?
And for the Browns, they have the chance to draft
a quarterback in the first round. But you're not going
to draft a quarterback in the first round if you
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have Stador Sanders, because anytime he doesn't play, it becomes
some confirmation of a bias against him. You can't do it.
So he doesn't just have to prove that he can
play the position competently. He has to buy my estimation,
prove he can someday be a star. Otherwise all this
other nonsense isn't worth it. It's just not just not
(36:21):
Stut Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, let's catch
up with the former general manager of the Raiders and Chargers.
Tom Telesco joins us and tell me a bunch of
things to get to Obviously, I think I share, but
I don't remember if people remember this story. You passed
on drafting Pat Mahomes, And like a year and a
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half later, I was driving to your game when you
opened up the season against the Chiefs and you said,
this division is in trouble for the next decade because
this kid is is that good? When you see him
carted off yesterday, When you see the age of Travis
Kelce and that they're not going to make the playoffs.
(37:10):
As a guy who competed in that division for the
entirety of this dynasty up until this year, what goes
through your mind?
Speaker 6 (37:19):
That's funny to say that, because I was thinking the
same thing yesterday. I spent twelve years as a gym
in ANFC West, my first year out at this year
and their dynasty end. So I don't know if that's
a coincidence. They're just horribly bad luck for me. But look,
with Andy Reid and Brett Beach, they'll be able to
retool it and a little bit of a rebuild moving
forward around Mahomes. But they've got some work to do,
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you know, when you look at the team, like you said,
like like Kelsey is closer to the end, he may
end up retiring this year. They still have issues at
both tackle spots. Now. Hopefully the rookies, Josh Simmons, he'll
keep coming along. He just wasn't quite ready for prime
time yet, but I think he should be fine. But
Costrick Mahomes took a lot of hits this year. Everybody
talks about all the hits that Justin Herbert took. Homes
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is right there, so that was an issue for them.
And then offensively, when three of your top four receivers
are one hundred and seventy five pounds or less, that's
an issue if you're not getting those big explosive plays
down the field with speed, and they're not getting those,
So a lot of short intermediate throws, a lot of
plays in between the numbers, and there's a physicality to
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the game that it's hard to hold up at that size.
Those hits take their tolls. And then you saw yesterday
just with the elements and the physical place and the
chargers that the charger or the chief receiver had a
difficult time. So they're gonna have to relook at that group,
try and add some more size to the speed. You
look at the running back group, they've got some work
to do on offense. Defensively, I think they have a
(38:46):
lot of nice pieces still. I think they'll be fine
on that side of the ball, but they have a
lot of work to do on offense.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Let's let's let's go around that division a little bit.
What about the Chargers. Yes, the Chiefs have massive injuries,
not by the playoffs. It's sounded like the Chargers an
injury free. Granted Herbert is playing, he's played through the
broken bone in his left hand, but lose the book
end titles. You've been on that plane ride home from
winning in Kansas City. What must that plane ride been
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home last night have been like? Considering it's not just
a win in Kansas City, but it's an elimination. They
vanquished the Chiefs in Kansas City. What's that ride like?
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Yeah, it's great because it keeps their playoff hopes alive
with the Chargers that so that was a big win.
I mean, these are essentially playoff games for them to
make sure they get a wildcard or I don't think
it looks like they're not going to be able to
win a division, but to make sure they secure the wildcard.
But Jim Harbaugh is a lot like Chris Signetti, Like
he just wins. He figures out ways to win. It
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wasn't the prettiest game yesterday, but in that cold weather,
they were down by ten they just kept grinding it
out and a little bit of the run game, a
little bit of Justin Herbert just making some Justin Herbert
type plays. But the biggest thing yesterday for the Chargers
the defense just played really really well. Their physical they
got to the football. Uh Derwin Jeans had one of
his better games of the year. Denzel Perriman still when
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when it when it's run game, I mean he can
stick and he can tackle. Uh to truly Twuly below
to excite to say that twice difficult name, great player,
had a ton of pressure, you know, took advantage of
the Chiefs tackle. So just a really nice job by
by Jesse Mentor and the Chargers defense really just shutting down.
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Came the city's offense.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I watched
every snap of the Packers Broncos game, and I walked
away unbelievably impressed with the Broncos. Unbelievably impressed. The play
calling on third down was really good. The defense in
the red zone is amazing. What are the tweaks and
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changes they've been able to make to get them to
this point.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
Well, the defense has been strong all year and and
that will continue to be strong and that's you know there.
They're playoffs ready right now. I think offensively, RG Harvey
has really taken off with the offense or using him
a lot. He's a smaller back, but he's fast, he's explosive.
They can throw to him out of the backfield as well,
but bow knicks just week after week after week. You
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see he's just complete confidence and improvement, and he's tough,
he's athletic, and the one thing that it's hard as
a young quarterback to play well in the red zone.
Those windows close quickly, and he's been outstanding in the
red zone. I thought he was great yesterday, just controlling
the game. Green Bay I think is still going to
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be fine. I know they lost Micah Parsons. I still
don't think they're going to be okay, but it was
a great game against two really good teams. But Denver
and they've shown that from probably week three on, their
situational football, especially in a second half's been outstanding. That's
Sean Payton's calling card. He has them very prepared for
late games, fourth quarter and late game decision making. And
(41:58):
I just love how bo Nix is playing year right now.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I do you me, Broth both I do. How do you?
How would you feel if you're the Patriots today, considering
you so thoroughly dominated the first half and then the
third quarter really did him in, you know, three and
out and then an interception, you give up three straight touchdowns.
How would you feel if you're in New England today?
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Well, you don't feel great, but you just have to
look at the thick picture and you know you're gonna
have games like this every now and then. This has
not been their mo but they ran into a big
time quarterback with Josh Allen, and Josh Allen did his
thing in the second half. The only concern with New England.
They have a very good running game, you saw that
yesterday between Trevon Henderson. But Midra Stevens is a big
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bax who they'll probably use a lot more, even in
the playoffs, as if they get an outdoor game. He's
powerful and strong inside and Drake May's garantle so you
can get yards with his seat. But the perimeter weapons
are just okay, They're not great. They didn't have a
whole lot of completions outside. You know, Matt Collins was
their leading receiver. I think with just four catches, so
they didn't get a whole lot of production on the outside.
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But this has been their their recipe to play, and
they've played better defense than they did yesterday. I just
think Buffalo in the second half just got things going.
And Josh Allen is the best player in the league,
and they ran into him in the fourth quarter, couldn't
quite slow him down. But in the end, these are
two really good football teams. I think they both had
a chance to go far in the playoffs. Younglan you
could see that going into the year. They may be
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still a year away from having enough talent offense, but
Drake may is just putting the keeam on the shoulders there.
I need some more weapons on the outside eventually down
the road, but they're getting back with it right now.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
What did last week when you were on with us?
It was right when I threw out the hey, what
if Shane Styken calls Philip Rivers and you laughed it off.
I kind of laughed it off. Whatever. They not only
do it, but they start him. They start him. Here's
the first question that people ask. I have my own opinion,
but you've been in the league and executed this job
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very very well, why would you call Philip Rivers if,
for example, your rookie quarterback Riley Leonard is healthy, why
would you start pr.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
It's so funny because, yeah, how good of an analysts
am I You asked me about that and I just
kind of dismissed it and just talked about Riley Leonard
for you know, two or three minutes, and then a
couple of hours later, there you go. You know, Philip
Rivers is working out for the Colts. I think from
a from a coaching standpoint, certainly at this time of
the year where these games are so important, they're making
a playoff push, there's just that comfort factor with a
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veteran quarterback that's been there, done that versus a rookie quarterback.
And Riley Leonard that thought Roly Leonard played pretty well
last week. Where you're talking about a rookie quarterback, number one,
number two rookie quarterback coming off some sort of knee
injury last week. I know we practiced and full during
the week, but it was a bit of an issue.
We talked last Monday, so I think we had a
young quarterback coming off a knee and they had Shane
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and Philip, like we taught well, we didn't get a
chance to talk about before, but they're so close, they
know each other so well, and I think they figured
let's just give it a shot. And I was impressed
with what Shane did with the game plan. He put
a game plan together that Philip could execute on essentially
three days of practice in one walk through, which which
is amazing, and that's basically heavy run game and in
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a short passing game where you can get the ball
to a receiver a tight end of running back early
and that run out we got to run after or
run get the yards after the catch there and try
and get some yards that way. But it is difficult
to win this league. If you're going to run the
ball at a shotgun thirty times and then you have
at four point four yards per past attempt. They may
kind of start to get the offense a little bit
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more down the field this week. After Philip gets you
get the seat wet, they're going to have to because
if you don't, your defense has to play lights out.
And the defense played really really, I mean the whole
Seattle to no touchdowns is pretty impressive. There just wasn't
enough at the end. But I just think it's that
comfort factor between the head coach and a veteran quarterback,
and certainly that veteran quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Speaking of that veteran quarterback, what is Philip Rivers like
to deal with on a day by day basis as
somebody who did it for nine years?
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Was nine nine years, I think, No, he's absolutely unbelievable.
Football conversations with him are incredible because he has got
great perspective. He's the son of a high school football
coach and now he is a high school football coach.
But he just had great perspective on the team. He
had a great perspective on the players around him and
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about everything. And he's just a fascinating some fascinating person
to talk to when it comes to football. So I
can see, you know, from a coaching standpoint, it's a
dream because he is so smart. He knows the game
so well, he knows all the other factors that kind
of play into the game, especially situational football.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
I really enjoyed my conversation with him, and I did
the same thing with Justin Herbert after Justin got a
little bit older. I bounced a lot of things off
Phil open a lot of things off justin I think
that you're starting quarterback. You know, your franchise quarterback needs
to have a little input on what's going on. And
it was great feedback for me to hear from them
on certain things, you know, offense wise, team wise, player wise,
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and ill go with.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
A big help if you are Cleveland again, and you
could tell me different. If I'm wrong, I don't think
you can keep Shador and draft somebody in the first round.
I just don't. I just think the noise around Shador
is too loud and if you bring in a first
round pick, you're gonna play that quarterback and that that
just don't work. That is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 6 (47:37):
Well, I don't know if it's fair, because that's that's
the job of the head coach of general manager. If
there's noise, you got to handle it. A lot of
hypotheticals right now with with Shadera Sanders as compared to
you know, who could be in the draft, and this
is going to be a pretty light draft. I'm seeing
some quarterbacks in the transfer portal rather than declining for
the draft, So essentially'll have to compare what they have
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versus who could be available. But if they do drop
the quarterback. Then, yeah, it's our job to handle that.
You just can't pass on a player you think may
have a chance to be a franchise quarterback because you
either can't handle the noise. That's part of the job
with your door. I saw some I didn't see so
much of the game yesterday, but it sounds like I
didn't miss much, you know, losing thirty one to three.
I saw some really good things from him from the
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week before. But it's also and I'm glad he's getting
a body work late in the year, but it's hard
to get a great deal for the development just because
the cast around him just isn't isn't there right now.
They've got a ton of injuries on the offensive line.
They don't have a lot of skill position players yet.
They have they have two rookies that are outstanding with
Harold Fan and the Judkins, but they don't have a
lot around him yet. But there's talent there. You can
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see it. He's tough, he can get the ball out
of his hand, he's accurate at all levels. He needs work,
he needs development, but I'm sure they'll compare him to
who's available and go from there. And yeah, it could
be a tough situation to handle, but that's part of
the job.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Tell me you're the best. Appreciate all you do for
me for the show. We'll talk very very soon. Thanks
for being our guest.
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things that happened this weekend. Fair to say, living in
Green Bay, Wisconsin, most people will say their Super Bowl
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hopes just went out the window. Michael Parsons finally got
a holding call against him, not against him when he
was held, and yet torn acl DeVante Adams injury. There
are many injuries, none as prominent as Parsons and Pat Mahomes,
(01:45):
and I let's just start there. I wouldn't do it
until it was done. And a little bit of this
is the college basketball player than analysts and now college
basketball coach that I am, which is the don't ever
call it, it's the rudy Tom Joonovich. Never underestimate the
heart of a champion. Right. Kansas won what was it
(02:08):
a bajillion straight Big Twelve championships, So I wasn't picking
against them until they were eliminated to win the champion
win the Big Twelve championship. The same goes for I
mean again, you think of times in our life. You
have Kobe Bryant, Job's not done or the George bush
(02:30):
You remember George bush On was it an aircraft carrier? Right?
And the war was still going on and went on afterwards?
Was like mission accomplished? Like not yet? I am a
Charger fan like the Chargers, like the Packers. Those are
my teams. Always liked the Packers, by the way, like
we just moved to Green Bay. You've been a Packer
fan for exactly one point five years more hardcore one
(02:53):
point five. But I was born in Wisconsin. I born
in Milwaukee. They used to play Milwaukee. Always been a
Packer guy. But Chargers are my team and became my
team in nineteen ninety three when the Rams and then
the Raiders pulled out of Los Angeles and the Chargers
natetron means stand the man Humphreys, right, old Boss Ross
(03:15):
as the coach. They end up going to a Super
Bowl getting stomped by the Denver Broncos. Right, So now
you're getting the timelines kind of. But I've watched the
Kansasity Chiefs and I thought for the last couple of
years like they're not great, and yet they pop up
in the AFC Championship Game or the Super Bowl. And
so I made a commitment to you all, but it's
really to myself. I am not gonna call time of
(03:38):
death until he's dead. Do we not learn anything from
Joe Pertno, it's a quick side story for you, Dan Byer.
I was working at ESPN at the time, and everybody's like,
Joe Perturno, is he dead? Is he alive? And then
anybody who tweeted like hey rip to Joe Paterno and
you worked at ESPN, they would get mad at you,
like he's not officially dead yet, Like I didn't say anything,
(03:59):
he just said rest in peace. Okay, now we can
do it. Now we can do post mortem. Now we
can declare the chiefs officially the departed, officially deceased for
this season or as as inside the NBA like to
do gone fishing. It's over. And then you have Pat
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Mahomes tearing his acl and you'll get people spinning it like,
well now he gets the proper time off, like he
tore his knee. There's nothing good about that. But the
question becomes, okay, question becomes I think threefold. There's three
questions I have. One does this make the Patriots dynasty
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look even better? Two? Is it a reload or a rebuild? Three?
What do you do with Kelsey? And maybe more importantly,
what do you do with any Reid? What do you
do with Kelsey? What do you do with him?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Read?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The first thing is I do think it makes the
Patriots look better now. It was year nine that Tom
Brady tore his ACL and then there was a there
was a span of ten years where he didn't win
a Super Bowl. But what's lost in that discussion is
year eight they went undefeated and undefeated into the Super
Bowl like they were the best team in football, winning
towards knee. Same thing. I do think there's the you know,
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and that was the only year they didn't make the playoffs,
the year that he missed. I do think there's a
difference there and that they've been able to be more consistent.
And now Kim Mahomes proved us all wrong and come
back next year and they can rebuild the team or
reload the team and get back on their winning ways. Sure,
because remember, up until this year, this is the first
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year in the seven years he's been a starting quarterback
that they haven't reached at least the ANFC Championship game.
That's insane. But if he's going to do it, Travis,
he's got to go. If he's gonna do it, I
don't think it's crazy to say Andy Reid could step aside. Now.
The one thing about Reid you might think about is
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you continue to load up more of his staff with
more guys, and he becomes a lot more of a figurehead.
That's the only thing I can think of. But you
need a completely revamped offense because the wide receivers. You know,
Rice took a hell of a hit. I know Jason
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Stewart was very happy to see that last night. But
the receivers, there's just not a lot there there. They're
gonna need another star tight end or two. They need
to completely revamp what they're doing. They started with the
offensive line. There's nothing wrong with my homes. He'll be fine.
Put better players around him, and maybe they need to
refine scheme. So the first thing is I do think
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more of the Patriots because of it. I do. The
second thing is or I would absolutely move on from
Travis Kelce. I don't think anybody would feel robbed by
his career. I don't think anybody would think it's a
bad idea for him to move on, and with any Reid,
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I don't know. He's done so much for that organization.
If he wants to fight back and rebuild it, he can.
If he wants to walk away, he can. I do
think he deserves carte blanche and then the last part
is is it a rebuild or is it a reload?
And my answer is yes. You're like, wait, that's an
or question. I know because I don't know what you
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call it. Usually a rebuild would mean new quarterback, all
new coaches, kind of an all new team, and I
don't think you need that, although I don't think if
any Reid doesn't have the energy to get rid of
some things, to cut some things, to fix some things,
to trim some things, to make himself less comfortable, and
(07:58):
maybe the fourth a dndum to it, or the fourth
item is is any of this related to when Pat
Mahomes took that gargantuan deal and we thought it was
in the middle to the end of it it was
team friendly and they haven't been able to manage a
good enough roster around him ever since he had that deal.
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And I think the answer is yes. I think the
answer is yes. Byer, let me ask you, do you
rebuild or do you reload or doesn't matter what term
you use, because you're with me, you're somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, see, this is part of the problem that it's
I think that you I think that you can continue
with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. I don't think that
Travis Kelcey is a part of their future, and in fact,
I think it's one of the reasons why the Chiefs
got to this point leading up to this game is
they haven't found a spot for someone to replace a
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player like Travis Kelcey. They've also tried and missed with
other receivers that haven't panned out as well as they
would have hoped. But all in all, like amazing run,
I don't think a complete overhaul is needed by any means.
I just think that over these last couple of years
they've been able to successfully and sometimes fill spots, and
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then now they're starting to get some of the repercussions
of that where those additions and those players aren't doing
enough to make them a winning team. So I would
keep I would hope that Andy Reid would stay on,
and I hope that Mahomes is fine. But I think
that the Travis Kelcey era is over. I think they
just try to reload and revamp in spots that they
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have been unable to do for whatever reason, maybe in
the past year or two.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Does it make you
think more of the Patriots that they were able to
keep it going longer.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
No, because I think that what they did is amazing.
Like for anybody to think that someone's going to be
able to match what New England did, I think is
that's the part where we get it wrong. Their run
is just unmatched and even with the dry spell, and
(10:10):
that's maybe what Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs will come
up with it during this period. Maybe this is the
dry spell where they don't win super Bowl championships. But
the only difference is Andy Reid's probably not going to
be there then for the second half of it, because
by that time maybe there would be a new coach.
But yeah, I just what New England did was just
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absolutely ridiculous on all levels. So I've always held that
in very high regard.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I have as well. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm with you on rebuild,
More Reload.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I do have one more thing just with this though,
because I think it's something that we've talked about. So
when you look at this window, if this is it,
like this is a great success. And I find it
funny because remember the Cowboys documentary we talked about and
we watched in and we consumed and we loved again.
When you look at that Jimmy Johnson Jerry Jones dynasty,
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that was three super Bowl wins in four years, and
that was it. There was no random one before, there
was no random one after. That was it. But we
look at that Cowboys team so much so that you
could make a documentary or at least half of it
be about that squad where they had great success in
four years. So what the Chiefs have done over the
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last seven eight seasons in the National Football League is
really really remarkable, especially if we're taking a Cowboys sort
of dynasty in that four year span and putting in
on such a pedestal.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's a completely fair way of looking at it. And
I have great regard for the Chiefs. I do, and
probably more so than ninety five percent of other football fans,
because I remember when the Chiefs were the good regular
season team, always lose at home in the playoffs, Always
thought it was odd that they would lose at home
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in the playoffs when they have arguably the best atmosphere
in the playoffs. Do I think that their fans got
fat and sassy and arrogant. Of course, all fan bases
do when you start winning. That's what happens. Especially the
consistency with which they won doesn't take away from me
what the team became with the franchise became, what they've
been able to do. It also shows just how monumental
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it is for this whole thing to collapse the way
in which it did collapse. And I would also point
out that that it's also interesting how good the Broncos,
how quickly the Broncos have gotten good. And I think,
look the Chargers winning yesterday. Granted you're going against backups
all over the place, especially back up at quarterback, but
they just found a way to survive. Like even then,
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you still respect the Chiefs because you're like, they'll still
find a way because they just find a way because
they're a championship team.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
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Radio got a great second hour of the show, plus
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little chance. I think it's absolutely positively despicable. What the
president and most powerful man the free world has tweeted
about Rob Reiner. It's gross. It's gross, you know, and
(13:48):
I don't. I don't know enough about Rob Reiner's political
inanings to actually care. The movies he made are movies
that will live forever. They're amazing, amazing, And of course
he was part of All in the Family, which was
my late father's favorite TV show, and his name was
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Meathead on that show, Meathead, Meathead. That was great, Meadhead.
Let's get to our cruise views on the weekend. What
we loved, what we hated? We call it love and hate.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
What did you love?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
God, I love you?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Meet these player hays?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Do do Do Do?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Do?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Dan Byer? What'd you love from the weekend? My friend?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I know this is selfish, I know this is not
what everybody wanted, but I love how the Seahawks survived
against the Colts. It felt very weird because there is
even a part of me that wanted to root for
Philip Rivers but ultimately couldn't, and I felt everybody else
was rooting for Philip Rivers. But take out the River's
portion of the equation. For the Seahawks to win that game,
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or they kick six field goals and now have the
Rams coming into town on Thursday night. It's the perfect
trap game, a perfect opportunity for them to not live
up to expectations. And it wasn't pretty at all, but
they were able to survive and come from behind even
after the Colts thought that they had won it with
a sixty yard field goal of their own, for the
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Seahawks to be able to get in the field goal
range and have Jason Myers kick a fifty six yard
or his sixth of the game to keep them alive
for the number one overall seed in the NFC. I
really enjoyed that yesterday, even though I think the rest
of America did.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Not a couple of things. A couple things. What it
did was it eliminated some ammunition for the talk space
people debate space people like the Seahawks don't have that, Yeah,
but they lost to Blank. Like this is one of
those years where every single contender has a major flaw,
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whether it be a loss, whether it be a personnel thing.
The Seahawks haven't had that like major flaw. So this
saved you Dan for the next three weeks of being like, yeah,
but they lost to Philip Rivers at home. You know
it's that would have been the major knock on the Seahawks,
and I don't think there is one. And also I
just realized yesterday as he kicked his six field goal
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that Jason Myers combines the two horror icons from the eighties.
Did you know that?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yes, Jason and Mike Myers.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Is that a thing? Do people talk about?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
This is middle dates? Freddy?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You guys know, here's something. All right, let's get to
sam Iowa Sam which in the weekend.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
You know what, when we get to about midway through December,
our college football regular season ends, we play all of
our championship games the weekend prior, and then we got
to this past weekend and I was still hankering for
some college football and we're starting it's a little bit
of a rest period right now. Except for one thing.
We have the Army Navy game. Thank goodness we have that,
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because that's exactly what I was craving, and it delivered.
It usually delivers every year. It's always a competitive game,
usually a close game. And this was just a fantastic
Army Navy game seventeen sixteen. The Navy midshipman came back
and won it. And so if you were with some
withdrawal for some college football and you want to play,
you want to watch a game that matters to the
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country and matters to these service academies. You had Army Navy,
which was a great game. And then later the night
was a bowl game between Washington and Boise State, but
it was a blowout. So Army Navy, thank you for
satisfying my college football cravings. While we're in a bit
of a down period right now.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I loved Rob Reiner movies. Rob Reiner movie here here,
this is spinal Tap, The Princess Bride, stand by Me
when Harry met Sally Misery. A few good Men, I
mean those are sleepingts in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Isn't a few good Men your favorite movie?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Have?
Speaker 7 (18:04):
I Have? I heard you say that?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Of all time?
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Sort I love the American President too. It's on the
shortlist American President. I mean, how good is that story
of us? I mean, you just go on on on
a brilliant filmmaker, A brilliant filmmaker. Throw Mama from the
Train was also him. Do you guys remember Throw Mama
from the Train. Sure, I'm just sad today. I mean,
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you know, in the worst ways to go ever with
your wife, but killed by your son, awful, so sad.
So instead I choose the things I love. I just
loved his movies, loved him, love them, love and obviously
at the time making those movies, he's married to Petty Marshall, right,
(18:54):
she was an incredible filmmaker in her own time. But
love Rob Bryer movies.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Sad that he's gone, and Doug, you know, stand by
Me is I think for a lot of a lot
of kids that grew up in the eighties and nineties,
that was a really special film for a lot of reasons,
just like the story it told, the story of friendship.
You know, it's based on a book by Stephen King,
The Body, which a lot of people probably still don't realize.
Stephen King could do horror novels, and he could do
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kind of dramatic, kind of maybe a little bit comedic
writings too. That was just a movie that I wore
out the VHS on Growing Up.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Very special to me.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I mean, like, think about He's got you know, a
few good men's in one of the greatest movies of
all time. Discussion Spinal Tap is all time great sarcastic comedy.
What is that genre called Jay ste documentary? The mockumentary, Yeah,
the mockumentary style, right, rom comms. I got two of
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the great rom comms of all time. So it's not
like like I love John Hughes films, but John Hughes
films all kind of felt the same. They're all most
of them are kids or teenage young college films, and
they were all Chicago. They all felt kind of the same.
Rob Reiner was incredible and his films felt different different genres.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Chasue very true. So I love Fernando Mendoza's acceptance speech.
For whatever reason, people are taking him to task for
it being scripted, And I would say I would much
rather see someone read a scripted, thought out, well thought
out speech than to just stumble across an improvisation like
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everything Magic Johnson has ever done a couple angles to this.
I love the specific part about this because it kind
of hits me home, and I take it very personally.
So I posted on Twitter, and the part that I
loved most it was his dedication to his mother. And
every once in a while I get one of these
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tweets that gets in the algorithm and it just blew
up and went viral. And the problem with it going
viral was ninety eight percent of it was positives. The
two percent of it was I made the unforgivable mistake
on Twitter of being a white person who referred to
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Fernando Mendoza as Francisco. My bad. That sucked, and I
was told that of course everyone looks the same and
all the racial jokes. So the great things you get
on Twitter I got over the weekend. But this is
what I posted. Fernando Mendoza talks about his mother, Alissa,
who I had not known this going in. Ye suffers
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from MS.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Mommy. This is your trophy as much as his mind.
You've always been my biggest fan. You're my light, You're
my why, you're my biggest supporter. Your sacrifices, courage, love,
those have been by first playbook and the playbook I'm
gonna carry through my side, through my entire life. You
taught me that toughness doesn't need to be loud. It
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can be quiet and strong. It's choosing hope. It's believing
in yourself when the world doesn't give you much reason
to together. You and I are rewinding what people think
is possible.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I love you.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
What an articulate expression of love and gratitude. What an
amazing thing to say. And will I don't know if
I've admitted this on the radio, but my mother suffered
from MS. She was diagnosed in the late eighties when
they had no idea what it was until her pass
in two thousand and eight. So this one just struck
me right between the heart strings. What do you want
(22:46):
to say? I was a grown man in tears as
I watched this. But what a powerful moment and what
a contrast against Diego Pavia that we could probably get
to later on the show. Completely Classless Nando made a
big fan on Saturday Night.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
H hold on, I get let me, let me give
my pound of flesh. We don't have to say to
people to skip Bayless, who apparently had an issue with
the speech being rehearsed or even written. You know, Skip,
had you actually played something in your life and achieved
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something athletically in your life, okay, you would know that
when you receive an award, especially one as prestigious as
the Heisman Trophy, you're supposed to have something prepared. Matter
of fact, the criticism should be there when you aren't prepared,
when you haven't run through a speech, more so than
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when you have. When it's the biggest moment of your life,
you want to make sure and you recognize properly all
the people that helped you get to where you are.
I'm most embarrassed that I follow Skip Bayless on social
media and I knew that he made comments critical of
Fernando Mendoza's speech, which was beautiful, heartfelt. He called his
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mom mommy on National TV. You know what that is,
so Amanda's Amanda's Yeah, I echo your sentiments. I'm embarrassed
at Skip Balyss has made as much money as he
has in the media because he is heartless, clueless, and
clearly has not received a prestigious award which you have
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to prepare for because he's not a professional speech giver.
And even if he was, you still want to prepare
for it. He is a football player, a good one,
a Big Ten champion, a Heisman Trophy winner, and in
his spare time, whether he wrote it, whether he rehearsed it,
I don't care. It came across heartfelt and he said
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what he needed to say. Nobody ever goes back and goes, hey,
were you prepared for the critique of people should be
if they're not prepared for that moment, not that they are,
Dan Bira, what jate from the weekend.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Doug, There's been a lot of talk on what is
next for the Michigan Wolverines as their head coach, and
it has just been constant speculation with the biggest and
most desirable names that are still available in the college
football coaching cycle. And the reason that I hated so
much is because I think right now it's a non story.
(25:24):
And I'll use Kenny Dillingham as an example. The Arizona
State head coach was thought to be Calshe had him
as the leader for the most likely coach to be
the new head coach at Michigan for a while. This
happened throughout the weekend. The school president has said that
they are doing a complete investigation of the athletic department
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and Doug. If you're a college coach, not knowing if
the athletic director or the people that were bringing you
in or being hired we're going to be around after
you accepted the job, would you be willing to take
that job. I don't think anybody would. I think there's
so much uncertainty. And it's not that Michigan did right
(26:05):
or did wrong. It's just the question of there are
no answers right now, and so the kalind Bor kalend
War had to put out a statement on Sunday again
recommitting is his commitment to Alabama. I mentioned Ken Dillingham's name.
He had to talk about it this past weekend, like
it is just I understand it's the nature of the cycle.
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But this, the thing of this Michigan job right now,
is appealing for anybody is absurd considering you have no
idea what's happening on the other side of it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's a great point. I do think whoever gets the
job will probably bring their own athletic director. I do
think that's the possibility. Whether Ward Manual remains his athletic director,
I don't actually think because he did a great job
hiring Dusty Maine in the basketball side, and obviously he
stood by to watch Michigan and Jim Harball win a
national championship. He can be fired here because if he
(26:58):
knew and didn't do anything about it, or put people
off the trail or delayed the findings, all that stuff
is a fireable fence, I guess would be whoever takes
it would be like, I'm gonna come, but I need
to hire this guy with me, and.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I you know, I mean, everybody knows my thoughts on Michigan,
but there's there's no denying it's a top ten, top
five job in college football. However, you you know so,
But just right now, it's just you can't take that
job if you have any hopes of or possibility of
landing another big gig elsewhere. Like Kenny Dillingham's gonna have
the same options next year if he wants to leave.
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This is not the job to take right now.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Jay su our resident hater. What j hate from the weekend?
Speaker 7 (27:37):
I am I hate the Chiefs. I'm supposed to because
I'm a Chargers fan. I hate the Chiefs. However, However,
those familiar with this program know that I have been
rooting for the Chiefs to make the playoffs because I
wanted to see their dynasty kind of have a fitting
end that somebody had to beat them, you know, beat
the man to be the man type of deal.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You want the Dann Marino humil he ate it in?
Was it Jacksonville?
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yeah, yeah that one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah. They got be by the Chargers at a home.
Is that enough?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
I mean it's one of those things where like I
love seeing the win. Really I feel bad for Patrick
Mahomes to be honest, I don't feel bad for Rashie Rise.
He took another shot yesterday. Maybe the Chiefs should wear
free Rashie Rice from Defenders Hitting the Crap out of
Him t shirts for next next week. But anyways, I
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hated seeing the Chiefs go out. It's really kind of
sad and pathetic, Like this was the character that you
invested nine episodes in the show. You're binging the villain
who is very well written, and he just kind of
gets shot by a like a swat team guy that
didn't have any speaking parts. He just kind of got
shot and died. It was just uneventful.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Thanks, I was saying, Jason wanted to see the chiefs
fall through a plate glass window into a boiling vat
of acid. That would have been the proper Hollywood send off, and.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
The swat guy without a speaking roll that they just
had to pay the day minimum to do the acting job.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
It was like, shot them gone, is the villain fades
to black? They whoever they are, say that it's the
most wonderful time of the year. Well, sure it is
if you've got your presence purchased, if you've got your
tree up, you've got your sidewalk in driveway, shovels and
all these things. I'm stressed out. We're ten days away
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from Christmas, and I'm I get stressed in this time
of year. It getting people gifts, you know, It's it's
easier when everyone's in like your same neck of the
woods and you can hand deliver them to people. But
when you have to order them online, have them sent
in time, or buy them and ship them yourself. Like
I'm sol I'm up the creek without a paddle now
because we're ten days out and there's like your package
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won't arrive until the twenty eighth, twenty ninth is what
I'm seeing now, So I am way behind and and
I had to go on some long walks instead of
doing Christmas shopping. I want on some long walks to
clear my head because I do not do well this
time of year with trying to buy things in Christmas
presents on a schedule like this.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I hate the Michael Parsons towards ACL not because I'm
I'm like some gigantic Micah Parsons fan. I do like
the Pack. I want to see the Pack and the
Chargers in the super Bowl. I think the like good
of that is not strong both teams because of injury.
But more than anything, I just I feel like Micah
Parsons and when you're college about we talked about the
(30:35):
Star team all the time. The best of the best
just play harder, more consistently. Like, yeah, he's talented. But
what I love about Michael Parsons is that guy has
no off switch. You know, you go back to the
week before and it was like, how many times are
you held and no penalties called? He actually got a
holding penalty called, not all of them. But what I
love about him is he just feels like he never quits.
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And that's not the guy that's supposed to get hurt right.
The sports gods of karma are supposed to hand injuries
to entitled players, to you know, arrogant players, to spoiled players,
to dirty players, and he's none of them. I just
I wanted to see the Packers go to the Super Bowl,
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win the Super Bowl and my second year in Green Bay,
and I don't think that's gonna happen. Yes, it's about me,
but I'm It's what I love and what I hate,
but on the weekend, and that's love and hate for
all of us.
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(32:01):
I watched a lot of sports this weekend. We had
the weekend off. Dan Buyer, Now the weekend off means
you're watching a lot of film, you're drinking a lot
of coffee. We had a fairly short practice, Actually wasn't
that short film practice yesterday morning, but plenty of time
to watch all the games. So I was watching the
Browns and that debacle against the Bears, and I just
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think the whole thing is all of this speaks to why,
if you're the Browns, Shador Sanders has to be one
point five x of what you think you're looking for
to keep him. Here's what I mean. They had something
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with his wristband right where I don't know if it's
the wrong wristband, if something was written on it. He
got confused by something I don't know. They changed the wristband,
and if you look on social media from that point
until today, it was Kevin Stefanski went in and changed
the wristband because he personally wants to see Shador Sanders fail.
(33:08):
Right again, that's the level of crazy we have supporting
Shadoor Sanders. We have supporting The throw to Jerry Judy
in the end zone was on the money, but it
was a great defensive play and it is one of
those ones where we always ask ourselves Why did the
guy just intercept the ball? In that case he did.
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The interception to the linebacker was a terrible throat. It
just was he didn't layer it, he didn't look, he
knew the read, he thought he was open, and he
just throw it. They're not good. He didn't play well.
That's that's kind of my synopsis of it. Here's Kevin's
(33:52):
Kevin Stefanski is head coach, talking about Shador's performance.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm obviously thinking about just this game and those type
of things. He's a young player, is making progress. So,
like we've talked about all week, and I see it
in games, I get to state it in practice, there's
gonna be ups and downs to young players in particular
quarterback position. So we'll learn from it and we'll be
better next week.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Here shoud Or Standers talking about what he can learn
from a game like that.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
They had a great defensive scheme, and I enjoy playing
against him. I enjoy playing uh and that because you know,
it was definitely a little challenge. So I look forward
to learning from that and look forward to to understanding
exactly you know, how things was on filming, UH, just
(34:36):
be able to learn from it.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Should or had this exchange with a reporter about the
starting job.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
You're worried about losing your job or anything like that
when he says something.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
Like that, you know what league we in, you can
lose your job at any point in time, So you don't.
You don't play. You don't play with fear when you
when you live and playing fear there you know, like
will that be yourself?
Speaker 9 (34:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So I don't.
Speaker 10 (35:00):
I don't play or live in fear. Whatever situation I'm in,
I'm in. Whatever's happens, it happens, you know. But I
live each moment and try to live these days to
the fullest. So never live and worry or fear.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I listen. I love that, Okay, I love that. Because
you can't play with one eye on the bench. You
can't worry about being pulled by the way. His coach's
told everybody we're not making a coaching a quarterback change
the rest of the year, So he doesn't have the
fear because it's not going to happen. But my point is,
this is a lot like whether it's an old school
walk on versus scholarship player, or you know, Jay stud
(35:37):
take your Dodgers. You know a guy you pay twenty
million two is supposed to guy you pay a million two.
The guy you pay a million two has to be
one point five x better than the twenty million guy,
because otherwise, like why are you pay him twenty million dollars?
And for the Browns, they have the chance to draft
a quarterback in the first round. But you're not going
to draft a quarterback in the first round if you
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have Stador Sanders, because anytime he doesn't play, it becomes
some confirmation of a bias against him. You can't do it.
So he doesn't just have to prove that he can
play the position competently. He has to buy my estimation,
prove he can someday be a star. Otherwise all this
other nonsense isn't worth it. It's just not just not
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Stut Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, let's catch
up with the former general manager of the Raiders and Chargers.
Tom Telesco joins us and tell me a bunch of
things to get to Obviously, I think I share, but
I don't remember if people remember this story. You passed
on drafting Pat Mahomes, And like a year and a
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half later, I was driving to your game when you
opened up the season against the Chiefs and you said,
this division is in trouble for the next decade because
this kid is is that good? When you see him
carted off yesterday, When you see the age of Travis
Kelce and that they're not going to make the playoffs.
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As a guy who competed in that division for the
entirety of this dynasty up until this year, what goes
through your mind?
Speaker 6 (37:19):
That's funny to say that, because I was thinking the
same thing yesterday. I spent twelve years as a gym
in ANFC West, my first year out at this year
and their dynasty end. So I don't know if that's
a coincidence. They're just horribly bad luck for me. But look,
with Andy Reid and Brett Beach, they'll be able to
retool it and a little bit of a rebuild moving
forward around Mahomes. But they've got some work to do,
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you know, when you look at the team, like you said,
like like Kelsey is closer to the end, he may
end up retiring this year. They still have issues at
both tackle spots. Now. Hopefully the rookies, Josh Simmons, he'll
keep coming along. He just wasn't quite ready for prime
time yet, but I think he should be fine. But
Costrick Mahomes took a lot of hits this year. Everybody
talks about all the hits that Justin Herbert took. Homes
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is right there, so that was an issue for them.
And then offensively, when three of your top four receivers
are one hundred and seventy five pounds or less, that's
an issue if you're not getting those big explosive plays
down the field with speed, and they're not getting those,
So a lot of short intermediate throws, a lot of
plays in between the numbers, and there's a physicality to
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the game that it's hard to hold up at that size.
Those hits take their tolls. And then you saw yesterday
just with the elements and the physical place and the
chargers that the charger or the chief receiver had a
difficult time. So they're gonna have to relook at that group,
try and add some more size to the speed. You
look at the running back group, they've got some work
to do on offense. Defensively, I think they have a
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lot of nice pieces still. I think they'll be fine
on that side of the ball, but they have a
lot of work to do on offense.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Let's let's let's go around that division a little bit.
What about the Chargers. Yes, the Chiefs have massive injuries,
not by the playoffs. It's sounded like the Chargers an
injury free. Granted Herbert is playing, he's played through the
broken bone in his left hand, but lose the book
end titles. You've been on that plane ride home from
winning in Kansas City. What must that plane ride been
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home last night have been like? Considering it's not just
a win in Kansas City, but it's an elimination. They
vanquished the Chiefs in Kansas City. What's that ride like?
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Yeah, it's great because it keeps their playoff hopes alive
with the Chargers that so that was a big win.
I mean, these are essentially playoff games for them to
make sure they get a wildcard or I don't think
it looks like they're not going to be able to
win a division, but to make sure they secure the wildcard.
But Jim Harbaugh is a lot like Chris Signetti, Like
he just wins. He figures out ways to win. It
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wasn't the prettiest game yesterday, but in that cold weather,
they were down by ten they just kept grinding it
out and a little bit of the run game, a
little bit of Justin Herbert just making some Justin Herbert
type plays. But the biggest thing yesterday for the Chargers
the defense just played really really well. Their physical they
got to the football. Uh Derwin Jeans had one of
his better games of the year. Denzel Perriman still when
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when it when it's run game, I mean he can
stick and he can tackle. Uh to truly Twuly below
to excite to say that twice difficult name, great player,
had a ton of pressure, you know, took advantage of
the Chiefs tackle. So just a really nice job by
by Jesse Mentor and the Chargers defense really just shutting down.
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Came the city's offense.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I watched
every snap of the Packers Broncos game, and I walked
away unbelievably impressed with the Broncos. Unbelievably impressed. The play
calling on third down was really good. The defense in
the red zone is amazing. What are the tweaks and
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changes they've been able to make to get them to
this point.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
Well, the defense has been strong all year and and
that will continue to be strong and that's you know there.
They're playoffs ready right now. I think offensively, RG Harvey
has really taken off with the offense or using him
a lot. He's a smaller back, but he's fast, he's explosive.
They can throw to him out of the backfield as well,
but bow knicks just week after week after week. You
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see he's just complete confidence and improvement, and he's tough,
he's athletic, and the one thing that it's hard as
a young quarterback to play well in the red zone.
Those windows close quickly, and he's been outstanding in the
red zone. I thought he was great yesterday, just controlling
the game. Green Bay I think is still going to
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be fine. I know they lost Micah Parsons. I still
don't think they're going to be okay, but it was
a great game against two really good teams. But Denver
and they've shown that from probably week three on, their
situational football, especially in a second half's been outstanding. That's
Sean Payton's calling card. He has them very prepared for
late games, fourth quarter and late game decision making. And
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I just love how bo Nix is playing year right now.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I do you me, Broth both I do. How do you?
How would you feel if you're the Patriots today, considering
you so thoroughly dominated the first half and then the
third quarter really did him in, you know, three and
out and then an interception, you give up three straight touchdowns.
How would you feel if you're in New England today?
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Well, you don't feel great, but you just have to
look at the thick picture and you know you're gonna
have games like this every now and then. This has
not been their mo but they ran into a big
time quarterback with Josh Allen, and Josh Allen did his
thing in the second half. The only concern with New England.
They have a very good running game, you saw that
yesterday between Trevon Henderson. But Midra Stevens is a big
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bax who they'll probably use a lot more, even in
the playoffs, as if they get an outdoor game. He's
powerful and strong inside and Drake May's garantle so you
can get yards with his seat. But the perimeter weapons
are just okay, They're not great. They didn't have a
whole lot of completions outside. You know, Matt Collins was
their leading receiver. I think with just four catches, so
they didn't get a whole lot of production on the outside.
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But this has been their their recipe to play, and
they've played better defense than they did yesterday. I just
think Buffalo in the second half just got things going.
And Josh Allen is the best player in the league,
and they ran into him in the fourth quarter, couldn't
quite slow him down. But in the end, these are
two really good football teams. I think they both had
a chance to go far in the playoffs. Younglan you
could see that going into the year. They may be
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still a year away from having enough talent offense, but
Drake may is just putting the keeam on the shoulders there.
I need some more weapons on the outside eventually down
the road, but they're getting back with it right now.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
What did last week when you were on with us?
It was right when I threw out the hey, what
if Shane Styken calls Philip Rivers and you laughed it off.
I kind of laughed it off. Whatever. They not only
do it, but they start him. They start him. Here's
the first question that people ask. I have my own opinion,
but you've been in the league and executed this job
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very very well, why would you call Philip Rivers if,
for example, your rookie quarterback Riley Leonard is healthy, why
would you start pr.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
It's so funny because, yeah, how good of an analysts
am I You asked me about that and I just
kind of dismissed it and just talked about Riley Leonard
for you know, two or three minutes, and then a
couple of hours later, there you go. You know, Philip
Rivers is working out for the Colts. I think from
a from a coaching standpoint, certainly at this time of
the year where these games are so important, they're making
a playoff push, there's just that comfort factor with a
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veteran quarterback that's been there, done that versus a rookie quarterback.
And Riley Leonard that thought Roly Leonard played pretty well
last week. Where you're talking about a rookie quarterback, number one,
number two rookie quarterback coming off some sort of knee
injury last week. I know we practiced and full during
the week, but it was a bit of an issue.
We talked last Monday, so I think we had a
young quarterback coming off a knee and they had Shane
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and Philip, like we taught well, we didn't get a
chance to talk about before, but they're so close, they
know each other so well, and I think they figured
let's just give it a shot. And I was impressed
with what Shane did with the game plan. He put
a game plan together that Philip could execute on essentially
three days of practice in one walk through, which which
is amazing, and that's basically heavy run game and in
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a short passing game where you can get the ball
to a receiver a tight end of running back early
and that run out we got to run after or
run get the yards after the catch there and try
and get some yards that way. But it is difficult
to win this league. If you're going to run the
ball at a shotgun thirty times and then you have
at four point four yards per past attempt. They may
kind of start to get the offense a little bit
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more down the field this week. After Philip gets you
get the seat wet, they're going to have to because
if you don't, your defense has to play lights out.
And the defense played really really, I mean the whole
Seattle to no touchdowns is pretty impressive. There just wasn't
enough at the end. But I just think it's that
comfort factor between the head coach and a veteran quarterback,
and certainly that veteran quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Speaking of that veteran quarterback, what is Philip Rivers like
to deal with on a day by day basis as
somebody who did it for nine years?
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Was nine nine years, I think, No, he's absolutely unbelievable.
Football conversations with him are incredible because he has got
great perspective. He's the son of a high school football
coach and now he is a high school football coach.
But he just had great perspective on the team. He
had a great perspective on the players around him and
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about everything. And he's just a fascinating some fascinating person
to talk to when it comes to football. So I
can see, you know, from a coaching standpoint, it's a
dream because he is so smart. He knows the game
so well, he knows all the other factors that kind
of play into the game, especially situational football.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
I really enjoyed my conversation with him, and I did
the same thing with Justin Herbert after Justin got a
little bit older. I bounced a lot of things off
Phil open a lot of things off justin I think
that you're starting quarterback. You know, your franchise quarterback needs
to have a little input on what's going on. And
it was great feedback for me to hear from them
on certain things, you know, offense wise, team wise, player wise,
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and ill go with.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
A big help if you are Cleveland again, and you
could tell me different. If I'm wrong, I don't think
you can keep Shador and draft somebody in the first round.
I just don't. I just think the noise around Shador
is too loud and if you bring in a first
round pick, you're gonna play that quarterback and that that
just don't work. That is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 6 (47:37):
Well, I don't know if it's fair, because that's that's
the job of the head coach of general manager. If
there's noise, you got to handle it. A lot of
hypotheticals right now with with Shadera Sanders as compared to
you know, who could be in the draft, and this
is going to be a pretty light draft. I'm seeing
some quarterbacks in the transfer portal rather than declining for
the draft, So essentially'll have to compare what they have
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versus who could be available. But if they do drop
the quarterback. Then, yeah, it's our job to handle that.
You just can't pass on a player you think may
have a chance to be a franchise quarterback because you
either can't handle the noise. That's part of the job
with your door. I saw some I didn't see so
much of the game yesterday, but it sounds like I
didn't miss much, you know, losing thirty one to three.
I saw some really good things from him from the
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week before. But it's also and I'm glad he's getting
a body work late in the year, but it's hard
to get a great deal for the development just because
the cast around him just isn't isn't there right now.
They've got a ton of injuries on the offensive line.
They don't have a lot of skill position players yet.
They have they have two rookies that are outstanding with
Harold Fan and the Judkins, but they don't have a
lot around him yet. But there's talent there. You can
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see it. He's tough, he can get the ball out
of his hand, he's accurate at all levels. He needs work,
he needs development, but I'm sure they'll compare him to
who's available and go from there. And yeah, it could
be a tough situation to handle, but that's part of
the job.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Tell me you're the best. Appreciate all you do for
me for the show. We'll talk very very soon. Thanks
for being our guest.
Speaker 6 (49:04):
You got Doug. Thanks
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