December 18, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan and Aaron in for Doug as on this installment of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday", Dan and Aaron feature the past year of 2025. Dan and Aaron share their theories on why there just isn't much hype in the college football playoff first round. Plus, Dan and Aaron recap the rough week Rams' receiver Puke Nacua has had.
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It is a Thursday week sixteen starts tonight. Rams and
Seahawks Really really good game, game with a lot of stakes.
And for the Rams, I don't know. Things have been
going their way this week.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Something.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We'll get into it in about twenty minutes or so.
But Aaron, we are just two weeks away from New
Year's Day, and not only does that mean the quarterfinals
of the college football Playoff, but it also means a
brand new year. So for the final time this year,
let's throw it back.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Now, eron. I think you're going to be here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Christmas.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Day, but you probably won't be doing this.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I hand it over to Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
God, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Twenty twenty five. Let's look all the way back. I
want each of you to present on this program. What
the story that most got your attention. I need one story.
Don't stam it up and give me more than one.
I need one story. Let's dig deep down into it
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and I will start twenty twenty five. If you think
about the year, the most significant thing that happened in
our space, Talk Space was the trade of Luka Doncic
and I say that what made it so extraordinary is
because when Shams Shams tweeted out the news, it was
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late on a Saturday night, Aaron tors Is probably on
the air, probably on the air, and insiders in sports
thought it was a farcical tweet, like somebody hacked his account.
In this day and age, for a trade of that
size to be pulled off seemingly with zero leaks, it
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was just so unws usual. And then the you know,
the downstream impact of that since then, that has led
to the Nico Harrison thang. And I think the most
significant occurrence, if not the decade, if we want to
expand this out four or five years, the Luca Doncis trade.
Howen went down? You guys have any thoughts on any
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personal experience of that one?
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Can I can I jump in and just tell you
what it was like in this building. I want to
know that guy, so keep in mind. So I host
eight to eleven, it was about nine thirty Eastern. Jason Martin,
who's my radio partner, is not on social media. He
does not use social media, like he's decided that's not
part of his life anymore. So I see it, I say,
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I forget who was even producing me at that time.
Maybe it was Bri, it was I don't know if
it was Bri. And I said, Bri, can you please
get with Steve Disager and have him check Shams Charania's account.
So do Seger checks it and immediately goes live with
Schamshranias saying this, and I was like, I.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Wouldn't have even done that.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Do it live, And we kept refraining from saying this
is a news story. We were saying this is on
Shamscherania's account until on ESPN they were citing Shams Trani,
which was like a.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Twenty minute window.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
We were all like, listen, there is a report on
Shams Trania's Twitter page. We don't know if it's real
or not that Luka Doncic has been traded to the
Los Angeles Lakers, and we were looking for any sort
of confirmation and to your point, and I hope this
doesn't sound like I'm throwing this individual under the buzz
because I love him to death. I would have him
on any show I ever hosted. We had Mark Medina
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on later that night, who was as plugged in the
NBA as anybody, And I said, was this something that
was even whispered behind the scenes, and he said, Aaron,
you know, I don't want to speak for Mark, but
he said, no one that in my circles had any
idea that this was even a possibility. So it took
us twenty minute of us just basically saying Shams is
tweeting this, but we don't know if it's true, before
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we actually went on air saying Luka Doncic has been
traded for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
It was insane.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It was a remember where you were moment, and I
remember I was sitting in my recliner and it popped up.
I actually think I may have been on Twitter. I
just know I was on the recliner and then I
remember staring at the tweet reading Luka Doncic to the Lakers,
and I, just as someone who is not a Lakers fan,
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I've never cheered for the Lakers, and I liked Luca,
it was it was disheartening. And then when you take
took a step back and examined the whole trade and
the people trying to convince you that this was a
win for the Mavericks, what are.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We talking about?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And then the only thing to save them ended up
being the lottery with Cooper Flagg. But where you look
at where they are this year and now you're gonna
You're banking on an injured Kyrie to come back, and
you're trying to get Anthony Davis out of town, like,
uh it is. I I agree with Jason that I
think it is the top story. I think there's there's
other good ones, but for the most shocking, for the
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ramifications for what we still talk about to this day,
and giving the Lakers the superstar that they needed to
replace Lebron James, which is a whole other angle. I
think it's a very very good uh nominee if there
are even our other nominees for Story of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Yeah, and two more things on that note, the Lakers
had played that night against the Knicks, so that was
another crazy part because we were talking about the game
and then uh, there was something else I can't remember,
but it was just in Sandy Dan, do you want
to share yours next time? I stole the mic just
talking about Jay SEUs.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, that's that's I think that Jason's is a really
good point to no apologies, no apologies needed. So there
there was I'll just say this. Rory McElroy winning the
Masters was a story that was fourteen years in the
making and some may say ten years in the making.
But Rory even said it himself that going back to
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when in twenty eleven when he blew the lead that
he had on the Sunday at Augusta National, that this
just wasn't about completing the career Grand Slam. This was
more than that, and I took a still shot of it.
I still actually have the final round of the Masters
on my DVR, and I've got another, i think like
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CBS two Sports Central episode after because remember, Rory went
into a playoff with Justin Rose, and Justin Rose has
been close multiple times at Augusta.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
He's only one one.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Major, so you have these two guys who you're actually
both rooting for. But honestly, Rory has been such the
story in golf for so long that him finally breaking
through and winning a Green jacket, to me, is the
story that stood out to me in twenty twenty five,
on a year where Scotty Scheffler won two of the
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four majors, It's Rory finally winning out Augusta and winning
the Green jacket.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
And you know that it was one of those things
in sports that resonated everywhere, because I who's not a
huge golf guy, obviously follow the majors. But everybody had
an opinion on this, and you know, like all the
traditional boot check marks on Twitter had their thoughts and
it was it ran ninety nine percent positive, like everyone
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was just rooting for Rory, and I remember thinking, as
probably one of the only people out there, I was
actually rooting for Justin Rose that day. I for two reasons.
Justin Rose had played well and he was a great
quote too. Through the entire weekend. I thought he handed
himself so well. And then I root for prolonged agony.
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And this speaks to my me being an evil person.
I guess I was rooting for a prolonged and that
it's a much better story that Rory never wins some
Masters than him just kind of winning one eventually, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Totally does I think that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think that Phil Mickelson at the US Open, Uh,
it just became it just like, stop stop doing this
to us, stop doing this to me anymore. And I
wondered if it was going to get to that point
with Rory of of him and then him finally breaking through.
I still have the string the screen grabs that I
took during the Masters on my phone where they're showing
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him on the green and it says for career Grand Slam.
Like the putt that he's about to make. It's not
like four birdie for par and it's for the career
Grand Slam. And it's one of the things that I'll
I'll remember for a long long time. That's why it
stands out so much in twenty twenty five, Aaron, what
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stands out for you?
Speaker 5 (09:57):
All right?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
So I won't do the sam There's one that I
was there for, which was Houston Duke College basketball is
one of the craziest games I've ever been a part of.
But for the sake of this conversation, I will go
with what I deem to be the second craziest story
of twenty twenty five behind Luka Doncic's trade, and that
is Shador Sanders draft fall. You talk about a three
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day where were you and correct me if I'm wrong, guys,
But the conversation going into the draft was that the
floor for Shador Sanders was twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It was like if all hell breaks loose, the Steelers
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need a quarterback, they're gonna take them, and so to
go through the first round. He goes undrafted, spend all
day third Friday talking about what's gonna happen on Friday
with Shador, only for him to go undrafted into Saturday
and just to really have no context in the moment
as to what was going on. It was pretty surreal
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to see that happen for a guy that for most
of the draft process felt like he probably wasn't gonna
be the first quarterback off the board, but was going
in the top ten.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I agree, I agree. We're still talking about it. It
still will be a conversation. That's a very that. By
the way, it didn't even not that it didn't register.
I just I didn't think of it, and I'm I'm
I wish I did. That's a really good nominee.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But you're the week.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
We were talking earlier in the week, how there's a
there's still ramifications today, and I think one of the
like sad consequences of it is that cam Ward never
got his love before the draft, after the draft, and
still to this day, cam Ward is not getting any attention.
It's Shader is sucking up the oxygen in this rookie class.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Of course, it was incredible.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
We even had a Chadur moment during game time for
I feel a draft when the Indiana Hoosiers fell to
who drafted Isaac at what? Number five? So yeah, there
you go. It'll be a reference point for history for
the end of time.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
That's the same.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
It was very much the same. It was just.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
It was two full days of like, what are we
all missing? Cause again the floor was okay, no matter
what happens, the Steelers will be taking him. And I
believe that the pick was twenty one, and I think
there was thought could he go to New Orleans? Could
he go to the Browns and number three, number four
whatever they were drafting, And so all night Thursday was
like what happened? But the presumption was I think the
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presumption was he's gonna be like the first guy drafted
on Friday, somebody's gonna trade up for him. Nobody drafts
some Thursday or Friday. Again I'm stealing the mic, or
nobody drafts some Friday all day in the second and
third round. But just surreal in the moment and to
your guys point ramifications throughout.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I just want to before we get to Sam and Isaac,
it was a boring draft heading into it.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yep, it really was. And it was the only story
of the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like there were there were just weren't really many storylines
to follow outside of him.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And then he carried the.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Entire weekend, Poor Cam Worrid, Isaac, Sam, Isaac, what do
you got?
Speaker 9 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with October twenty third, and that
was the morning where the FEDS crashed in and took
into custody a sitting NBA head coach in shaunby Phillips. Yeah,
and Terry Rozier of the Miami Heat. You know, I think,
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in of itself as individual cases, it was enormous news,
but I think it was sort of a signature moment
in what the future potential has in store in the
relationship between sports and gambling. And I I think it's
gonna go either one of two ways. Either there's going
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to be an even bigger scandal down the road with
people getting busted for directly influencing sporting events allah the
Black Sox scandal in nineteen nineteen, or and I hope
this is the case, But I don't necessarily think it's
going to be the case. It'll wise up people in sports,
players and coaches to not get involved in gambling because
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you know you're gonna get busted. I doubt it's going
to be that, but I at least hope it's going
to be that. But I think that was really a
red letter day October twenty third great.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So when the Jontay Porter stuff came out last year,
it was like, okay, whatever. When I saw Terry Rosier
fake like he was, he was faking the injury, like
you could see him on the bench pretending to rub
his calf in ankle from the game that he ended
up you know, ducking out of in twenty twenty three.
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To see the video of how he was trying. When
have you ever seen an injured NBA player rub their
injury during a game, right Like never they're either in
the locker room, they're getting checked out by trainers, their
foot's isolated, it's wrapped up. But he was trying to
sell it so much that he was pretending to tend
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to his own ankle on the bench of the game
that he tried to fix for his friends.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
Looked like my third grader when he was trying to
get out of school. My tummy hurts, my throat hurts.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
I think that's funny that Isaac brings that up, because
I think I have I have mixed feelings on that
being a memorable story and that I don't think it
was memorable enough. In other words, it was a part
the news cycle. It was definitely a part of our world.
But I think because everyone is so bought and sold
by gambling companies, I don't think enough attention has been
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I think a lot of people wanted to go away.
I think, you know, Sports Center would be like, yeah,
no update on the Terry Rogier situation. This segment brought
to you.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
And that literally happened while they were discussing the story.
The lower third graphic was a gambling advertisement.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
It did happen.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I mean, to your point, Jay stew sitting NBA head
coach giving out information on players who are not going
to play.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Is a huge deal.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
And I still don't think And by the way, it
was also Chauncey Billups, mister big shot like wholesome, you know,
nicest literally has a one hundred percent approval rating. Oh yeah,
he's playing in underground gambling rings with secret card stashes.
And I agree with you. I actually felt like it
wasn't discussed enough. Not to say that it wasn't memorable,
but just not discussed enough.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So I'll say it.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Let's go back to February ninth of this year. It
maybe is true that the Philadelphia Eagles did kill the
Kansas City Chiefs. Now, I know a lot of things
played into the Chief's demise, aging veterans, you know, maybe
not enough skill position players of quality, But that forty
to twenty two route by the Eagles, which nobody saw coming,
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it just it. It took the Chiefs down another level,
and it signified that the Chiefs were just not the
same team that they were in the past. You know,
seven to ten years it's the peak of the Chiefs.
You were not seeing them get routed like that, You
just weren't. You were seeing them get getting a lot
of wins in close one possession games, the ball bouncing
their way. But today, but that day, that Sunday in February,
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the Eagles just took it all out on the Chiefs.
And this year, the rest of the ball of yarn
just completely unwound it and it was capped by you know,
Patrick Mahomes's season ending injury just this past Sunday. So
perhaps the demise of the Chiefs started all the way
back at Super Bowl fifty nine in February, and we're
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seeing them completely bottom out right now.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I think it was a preview of the symptoms that
would come this year.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I totally agree. That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Question for you, guys, what do you think resonated more
in this country from February ninth, the Eagles dismantling of
the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl or the Kendrick
Gumar performance.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
That's actually a good question because his performance did make
a lot of lot of waves.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think now the game does, but the performance had
a lot more in the short term afterwards, which I
did not expect. But now as we look at the Chiefs,
as we look at heck, even the Eagles, but really
from the Chiefs, I think the game has more of the.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Lasting of it.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
I think the Janet Jackson justin Timberlake might have had
a different answer back in the day, even though that
was a game that was decided at a last second
field goal.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I don't remember that part. Yeah, that last part I don't.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
Remember YouTube and off company time.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I do know that.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Janet Jackson changed the industry. So, speaking of music fellas,
this song really took off. And here's an interesting tidbit
that I just read on Wikipedia. There is a hit
pop artist name what's her name? Chappelle Rone, Chapel Roone,
Chapel Roane.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
Isn't that where North Carolina Tario's nevermind?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
She did you call her hip hop artist? Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was?
Speaker 8 (19:10):
She a pop pop singer? Yeah, okay, cool. I don't
think she raps.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I obviously know a lot about this. And she did
a song back in twenty twenty and it kind of
went it kind of went nowhere, and then she performed
it at the Grammys this year, and then it just
became the biggest song of twenty twenty five. And it
goes something like this. Pink Pony Club was at the
top of the charts for sixteen weeks of twenty twenty five.
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I think each of our ages takes us out of
the demographic of the people that loved this song, but
I could be wrong. Dan Byer always surprises me with
his music tastes. Did anybody here have an experience with
pink Pony Club this year.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I did.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
It started about thirty seconds ago.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know what, I I did not know this song
when it came out, but through whether it be you
know whatever, how it became popular. I had heard the song,
my wife knew the song. I remember most about those
and I'm using air quotes here. The journalists that were
on a red carpet and they were talking to Babyface
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and one of the girls completely just interrupted the interview
and was like, oh my gosh, just Chapelerone, get Chapel Roone.
And Babyface was totally disrespected from this, and these idiot
reporters completely disrespected him. Later I had to apologize for it,
but I'm like, really, you're gonna disc Babyface for Chapel Roone.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It just didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
This song is about as memorable to me as Chelsea
Phillips getting arrested on a Tuesday in October.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
So I do know it was a big song because
during the Stanley Cup playoffs, or maybe it was the
Standley Cup Finals, the song was brought up by the
panelists between periods like Wayne Gretzky was there and then
the three or four other guys with him someone brought
up the song and I'm like, Okay, I know this
is a big song because it has pervaded the panel
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of NHL talking heads.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That's how big it is.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It was very popular.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Now I don't think I don't think that there is
a movie person in this group besides Sam and I.
So I'm going to skip that and go right to
what the the largest or the most binged TV series
was of the year. And you guys tell me if
any of these resonate with you. Okay, White Lotus, I
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think it was his third season of White Lotus, second
season of Severance that hit really big. A show called
The Pit on Max the former lead and er is
on that. I forget his name, something Noah Noah Wiley
maybe or something like that. Alien Alien Earth, and Squid
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Game the second season. Do you guys remember any of those?
Did you have? We all binge to those?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'm an over on those shows.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Actually I'm too, so wow ouch. I was told White
Lotus was so good.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
So I started from the beginning, and about one and
a half episodes in of season one, I was like,
I'm out, this is totally uninteresting.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
It takes a lot of patience. It's slow moving. Yeah,
I can see where you can do that.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Darn.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
So you guys didn't watch TV or go to the movies.
So we we just did a lot of sports and
didn't listen to uh to Pink? Was that Pink Babylon?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Was that all?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I don't want to speak for Isaac, and I know
I can't speak for Aaron, and.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Actually, you know what, you can speak for me in
this case, I trust.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You since having a child, in an Isaac's case children,
my TV viewing hierarchy is now really only sports. Like
if I'm not watching sorts for a game or a
pregame or a draft, I am at the mercy of
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the family.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
He nailed it. Unless Peppa Peg and Blippy qualify there.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Right, same thing.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Blue It's either or the Blue Jays, you know, you
know whatever it might be Toronto Blues, Toronto Bluies.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Sure it really has and I was not. I knew
that there would be adjustments. I knew that there would
be school events on nights of their sporting events, but
I did not realize on how much it would take
a part of TV viewing, of sitting back and catching
up on a show or watching a show, or to
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be able to follow along with that binging show. It
is something that truly truly missed. I've said it on
this show. The only show that me and my wife
watch at its normal time is Survivor. Last night was
a finale and she crashed out at like eight thirty,
so thirty minutes in.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
That's that's where we were.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
It's tough, crashed out. Nice use of twenty twenty five
gen Z Lingo.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Man, it was cinema.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It was true in a cinema, and that's don't call
it a throwback.
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are tonight. I want to get to that game and
the pookin the coua stuff. In about ten minutes or so,
we'll have a discussion. But tomorrow the college football playoff
kicks off, and Aaron Torres you live, eat, sleep, breathe, live,
college football, college basketball. I think Iowa Sam is the
(25:17):
same way. I consider myself an enormous college football fan,
and yet I don't know if the first round has
registered any sort of excitement for me, as we're now
a little more than twenty four hours away of this
bracket getting underway.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
So I have a theory, and I think it's beyond
just the teams in it and the matchups. But I'm
open to if Sam has any thoughts, if you have
any thoughts, But I think part of it is specific matchups,
but I think there's something a little bit bigger. Sam
looks busy, So you think it's matchup based? Is that
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from communicating with you off air?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
The you know, I think that the the matchups of
not only with the group of five, but the actual
matchups that we have set do not cause any interest.
I don't think that they promote interest. Alabama Oklahoma is
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a not only is it a conference game, it is
a rematch of a game that we already had. And
for as much as I think that we look at
the YOU as a national program, I don't know if
the U draws enough interest.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
A and M is an interesting team, but they're also
an SEC team, and so even Miami Texas A and M,
which I think is going to be a fun game
and I think probably the most interesting of the four.
For that to be your headliner, I think kind of
puts you behind the eight ball if you're college football.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Okay, So I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of it.
I think there are two bigger picture issues. First of all,
and this is something that as you know, we're gonna
continue this playoff conversation. I don't think they figured out
the TV schedule like like, and I understand the NFL
has played on Saturdays in December as long as I've
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been watching.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
I don't know the exact number, but.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
It's like you kind of it's like they you have
the conference championship games, and then the sport just goes
out of sight, out of mind. I think that's part
of it too, is I think in our brains we
default to, oh, college football ended in the conference championship weekend,
we have nothing until New Year's Eve, New Year's Day.
I can focus on other stuff. And I could tell you,
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as even somebody who loves college football, like, in my head,
if you just told me time between end of regular
season or conference championships or whatever and start of the playoff,
in my head, it's this big barren wasteland of like
three weeks. And in reality it's basically like ten days,
because you spend a day or two talking about the bracket,
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and then you spend a day or two previewing, and boom,
that's like ten days. So to me, I think I
just think that college football fans are conditioned to like, hey,
take the month of December off, don't even worry about it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
We'll be back.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
We'll have some good games around the new year. And
I just think coming back. And I'm not saying it's
wrong to come back this weekend. I'm just saying I
think that's the bigger issue. I just don't think people
are conditioned to be like, oh, yeah, that's right, there's
playoff games this weekend, and I don't know, I just
feel like there's been no buzz at all.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So you think that last week's kind of breakof would
you rather be continuous from the conference championship games or
have everything start January first, because that's what we were
accustomed to.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, it's a great question.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
I definitely don't think the answer is pushing anything back
if we're gonna have four rounds, you know, And I
said this last year. I'm as big of a college
football fan as anybody, but I remember, I think it
was the week before the Ohio State Notre Dame game.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
It was that Monday.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
The Sunday before was that Big Bill's Ravens Conference semi
final game, the Divisional round game, And I remember being
more fired up for Bill's raven than I was for
Ohio State Notre Dame. And so I don't think the
answer is keep pushing things back. I think the answer
is probably one. I think we just have to eliminate
conference championship games at this point, they just don't have
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the value that they once did. And then I think
you do just have to keep it going. Maybe there's
a way to, you know, give the top teams a
buy that one week or whatever, but yeah, I think
you just kind of keep it going. And I know
it's crazy to go straight into the postseason, I know, whatever,
but I think that's really the only answer at this point.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I think college football is a lot like baseball, and
I mean this in a good way. Like people thought
that baseball was dying in baseball as it was thriving
on a local level, a regional level. Yet if you
don't have the Dodgers in a World Series, maybe your
ending is kind of ho hum. And I feel that
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while we have a lot of top programs in college football,
there are just there are some that just move the
needle and some don't. Like Texas AM now is what
Texas A and M is one of the top teams
in the SEC. Doug has been on the record for
saying if he had to pick a coaching job, he'd
probably of any in college football, he'd probably go to
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A and M because of what that school and how
much they love football and how much they they backed
the sport. He's said that on this show. But like
Texas A and M isn't one of those schools that's
going to grab the country's attention. And I know, and
you just used Ohio State Notre Dame, where I think
that you could make an argument that those are the
two biggest schools but I'm not sure that they are,
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which then Len lends me to the point of I'm
not sure if college football's national championship game has ever
been as big as we thought it was.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Sure, totally fair, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And I think it's it's, you know, maybe once every
five years we get a national championship that resonates, but
in other times it doesn't. And so we were still
maybe trying to figure out a way to get out
of Rose Bowl mode, get out of Fiesta Bowl mode,
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
The case is.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
But I think that the only way to do that
is to have intriguing first round games on home sites
with schools that would never play each other on those
sites if they know in the regular season. And so
that's why I thought last year's Tennessee, Ohio State game
was so big, and even Indiana Notre Dame because of
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the in state ramifications, and that was the Friday night
game leading up to the tripleheader. But I think that
those are the games that will will interest in draw interest.
Would I don't know what you can do when you
have so many SEC schools in there, but like college basketball,
can rearrange seating and you can move a team maybe
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a spot here, or move them in their region if
they're an eight seed, because you want to avoid a
rematch or you want to avoid conference opponents. You can't
do that with only twelve spots and really only eight
spots in the college football seating. You can't move Oklahoma
and Alabama away from each other for a possible rematch,
which it is, because there's just too much at stake.
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And I think that's what hurts college football. But if
you gave me a Big ten at ACC and SEC
at Big ten matchup, a Big twelve team home to
a Big ten team in the first round, I think
that those would resonate. I just don't think any of
these games really do because of who's playing ooh and where?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yeah, all, I'll say really quick and I'd be curious
about this is and I'll just be very very quick
your perspective. If Notre Dame, so let's say Miami is
in the ACC championship game, put away all the tie breakers, right,
they're in this this event. We still have A and
M Notre Dame, or we still have A and M. Yeah,
A A and M Miami. We now have Notre Dame
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at Old Miss. Does that now become the most intriguing game.
Do we care more? Okay, and I think so too,
But go ahead and say, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, I just I agree with you. I think it
absolutely does. Ole Miss Tulane is is a is a rematch.
People don't even realize, like it's why why should Almiss
have to play the game? Why you'd Oklahoma have to
play the game? Aside from it being uninteresting? I don't
even think it's fair for those schools. So I think
Notre Dame Olemiss would have been a much more intriguing matchup.
(33:10):
It would have been the game of the week. Sure
in my mind.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
No, I agree, and I we don't have to do
the G five conversation now. I think they deserve a
spot at the table. I think the acc screwing up
their tiebreakers really was what has led us to where
we are right now. You and I will be filling
in throughout the month, well, plenty of time to have
that conversation.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
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but Puka Nakua is grabbing all of the headlines, and
not in a good way. First things first, this was
Puka talking about the NFL's officiating and specifically the referees
when he appeared on Aiden Ross's stream on Tuesday night.
Because there's just something the rules aren't Then, like, these
guys want to be These guys are lawyers, and like Rether,
(34:26):
they want.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
To be on TV too, brother, like the game, you
don't think he's He's texting his friends.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
In the group chat, Like yo, you guys just saw
me Sunday night football Like that was Like that wasn't
p I like, but I called.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It was serious. I mean, these guys are noble human
beings too.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I understand that there's bad calls aeron, but to sit
there and say they're going to call penalties because they
told their boys their lawyer chat group that they're going
to be on TV is It's just it's idiot beyond
any means.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Yeah, I don't. I don't really have a ton to
add outside of that. I mean, obviously I had seen
the video, I had seen the quotes and heard the
quotes and all that. You're you're allowed to be frustrated
with the refs, but the notion to your point that
it's one big opportunity to kind of get your face
in the spotlight feels a little bit ridiculous to me.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I would also say that if Pooka Nakuah were to
say I'm a wide receiver, I have no idea what
pass interference is, we could get We could get on
board with that, right, We could understand if he said
something to the effect of there are times when I've
been you know, basically mugged running down the sidelines and
nothing was called, and other times I can get away
(35:44):
with this or that. I think that would be insight,
that would be funny. But to say that, yeah, referees
have buddies that they want to show their buddies that
they get on TV. Is ridiculous, But it doesn't even
raise to the ridiculousness of why Pooka Nakula is now
in hot water after he today then had to make
a statement apologizing because of Aiden Ross and Neon is
(36:08):
Neon the other one. I know, I sound like, get
off my lawn guy. I just know he spells his
name with a.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Number, so of course it's supposed to be an E.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, yes, yes, So pookin Akua is making there trying
to get him to do a touchdown celebration that could
also be taken as an anti semitic gesture.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
What are you doing on a Tuesday night in advance
of the biggest game of your of your season. I
just there's you want to talk about, like signs things
aren't going gonna go right for the Rams, Like if
we're talking about pookin Nakula today just hours before kickoff
of what could be the biggest game of the NFL
regular season, absolutely ridiculous And puku Akua should apologize, he
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should be there should be some sort of of of
penalty to come out with it and I understand why
the Rams didn't want to let these guys into the
building anyway, like this is this is just crazy, especially
on a short week.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Well that's what I was gonna say. You're streaming on a Tuesday.
You don't play it till Sunday. That's one thing, But
you know games in Seattle, you got to get on
a plane probably Wednesday. Not a good look for him,
And I don't know that it makes me feel differently
about the game, but just overall, not a good look
for him.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Jason, did you want in on any of this for
I wrap it up?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
No. I just think that I don't know anything about
Poka Nakua and the Rams don't make any news in
this town. I should know him better, but he comes
off this week as extremely unsmart. I don't know if
he's just like a big personality and a great receiver
who's not doesn't have it all working up there, but
he just looks kind of dumb in this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I always thought that he was very welcoming, and maybe
that ended up being a downfall where you're welcoming the
wrong sort of things into your life. I don't know
who the streamers are, but he's in hot water because
of this. Sure, and I know again I sound old,
but while you're doing it on Tuesday night, forty eight
hours before a game against the Seahawks, and by the way,
(38:01):
you offended a lot of people in a very very
bad way. You gotta be better than that, Ram Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome man on this Thursday. It is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Don't worry.
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It is a Thursday week sixteen starts tonight. Rams and
Seahawks Really really good game, game with a lot of stakes.
And for the Rams, I don't know. Things have been
going their way this week.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Something.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We'll get into it in about twenty minutes or so.
But Aaron, we are just two weeks away from New
Year's Day, and not only does that mean the quarterfinals
of the college football Playoff, but it also means a
brand new year. So for the final time this year,
let's throw it back.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Now, eron. I think you're going to be here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Christmas.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Day, but you probably won't be doing this.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I hand it over to Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
God, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Twenty twenty five. Let's look all the way back. I
want each of you to present on this program. What
the story that most got your attention. I need one story.
Don't stam it up and give me more than one.
I need one story. Let's dig deep down into it
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and I will start twenty twenty five. If you think
about the year, the most significant thing that happened in
our space, Talk Space was the trade of Luka Doncic
and I say that what made it so extraordinary is
because when Shams Shams tweeted out the news, it was
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late on a Saturday night, Aaron tors Is probably on
the air, probably on the air, and insiders in sports
thought it was a farcical tweet, like somebody hacked his account.
In this day and age, for a trade of that
size to be pulled off seemingly with zero leaks, it
(02:59):
was just so unws usual. And then the you know,
the downstream impact of that since then, that has led
to the Nico Harrison thang. And I think the most
significant occurrence, if not the decade, if we want to
expand this out four or five years, the Luca Doncis trade.
Howen went down? You guys have any thoughts on any
(03:20):
personal experience of that one?
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Can I can I jump in and just tell you
what it was like in this building. I want to
know that guy, so keep in mind. So I host
eight to eleven, it was about nine thirty Eastern. Jason Martin,
who's my radio partner, is not on social media. He
does not use social media, like he's decided that's not
part of his life anymore. So I see it, I say,
(03:47):
I forget who was even producing me at that time.
Maybe it was Bri, it was I don't know if
it was Bri. And I said, Bri, can you please
get with Steve Disager and have him check Shams Charania's account.
So do Seger checks it and immediately goes live with
Schamshranias saying this, and I was like, I.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Wouldn't have even done that.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Do it live, And we kept refraining from saying this
is a news story. We were saying this is on
Shamscherania's account until on ESPN they were citing Shams Trani,
which was like a.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Twenty minute window.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
We were all like, listen, there is a report on
Shams Trania's Twitter page. We don't know if it's real
or not that Luka Doncic has been traded to the
Los Angeles Lakers, and we were looking for any sort
of confirmation and to your point, and I hope this
doesn't sound like I'm throwing this individual under the buzz
because I love him to death. I would have him
on any show I ever hosted. We had Mark Medina
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on later that night, who was as plugged in the
NBA as anybody, And I said, was this something that
was even whispered behind the scenes, and he said, Aaron,
you know, I don't want to speak for Mark, but
he said, no one that in my circles had any
idea that this was even a possibility. So it took
us twenty minute of us just basically saying Shams is
tweeting this, but we don't know if it's true, before
(05:06):
we actually went on air saying Luka Doncic has been
traded for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
It was insane.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It was a remember where you were moment, and I
remember I was sitting in my recliner and it popped up.
I actually think I may have been on Twitter. I
just know I was on the recliner and then I
remember staring at the tweet reading Luka Doncic to the Lakers,
and I, just as someone who is not a Lakers fan,
(05:35):
I've never cheered for the Lakers, and I liked Luca,
it was it was disheartening. And then when you take
took a step back and examined the whole trade and
the people trying to convince you that this was a
win for the Mavericks, what are.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We talking about?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And then the only thing to save them ended up
being the lottery with Cooper Flagg. But where you look
at where they are this year and now you're gonna
You're banking on an injured Kyrie to come back, and
you're trying to get Anthony Davis out of town, like,
uh it is. I I agree with Jason that I
think it is the top story. I think there's there's
other good ones, but for the most shocking, for the
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ramifications for what we still talk about to this day,
and giving the Lakers the superstar that they needed to
replace Lebron James, which is a whole other angle. I
think it's a very very good uh nominee if there
are even our other nominees for Story of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Yeah, and two more things on that note, the Lakers
had played that night against the Knicks, so that was
another crazy part because we were talking about the game
and then uh, there was something else I can't remember,
but it was just in Sandy Dan, do you want
to share yours next time? I stole the mic just
talking about Jay SEUs.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, that's that's I think that Jason's is a really
good point to no apologies, no apologies needed. So there
there was I'll just say this. Rory McElroy winning the
Masters was a story that was fourteen years in the
making and some may say ten years in the making.
But Rory even said it himself that going back to
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when in twenty eleven when he blew the lead that
he had on the Sunday at Augusta National, that this
just wasn't about completing the career Grand Slam. This was
more than that, and I took a still shot of it.
I still actually have the final round of the Masters
on my DVR, and I've got another, i think like
(07:33):
CBS two Sports Central episode after because remember, Rory went
into a playoff with Justin Rose, and Justin Rose has
been close multiple times at Augusta.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
He's only one one.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Major, so you have these two guys who you're actually
both rooting for. But honestly, Rory has been such the
story in golf for so long that him finally breaking
through and winning a Green jacket, to me, is the
story that stood out to me in twenty twenty five,
on a year where Scotty Scheffler won two of the
(08:04):
four majors, It's Rory finally winning out Augusta and winning
the Green jacket.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
And you know that it was one of those things
in sports that resonated everywhere, because I who's not a
huge golf guy, obviously follow the majors. But everybody had
an opinion on this, and you know, like all the
traditional boot check marks on Twitter had their thoughts and
it was it ran ninety nine percent positive, like everyone
(08:33):
was just rooting for Rory, and I remember thinking, as
probably one of the only people out there, I was
actually rooting for Justin Rose that day. I for two reasons.
Justin Rose had played well and he was a great
quote too. Through the entire weekend. I thought he handed
himself so well. And then I root for prolonged agony.
(08:54):
And this speaks to my me being an evil person.
I guess I was rooting for a prolonged and that
it's a much better story that Rory never wins some
Masters than him just kind of winning one eventually, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Totally does I think that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think that Phil Mickelson at the US Open, Uh,
it just became it just like, stop stop doing this
to us, stop doing this to me anymore. And I
wondered if it was going to get to that point
with Rory of of him and then him finally breaking through.
I still have the string the screen grabs that I
took during the Masters on my phone where they're showing
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him on the green and it says for career Grand Slam.
Like the putt that he's about to make. It's not
like four birdie for par and it's for the career
Grand Slam. And it's one of the things that I'll
I'll remember for a long long time. That's why it
stands out so much in twenty twenty five, Aaron, what
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stands out for you?
Speaker 5 (09:57):
All right?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
So I won't do the sam There's one that I
was there for, which was Houston Duke College basketball is
one of the craziest games I've ever been a part of.
But for the sake of this conversation, I will go
with what I deem to be the second craziest story
of twenty twenty five behind Luka Doncic's trade, and that
is Shador Sanders draft fall. You talk about a three
(10:21):
day where were you and correct me if I'm wrong, guys,
But the conversation going into the draft was that the
floor for Shador Sanders was twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It was like if all hell breaks loose, the Steelers
(10:42):
need a quarterback, they're gonna take them, and so to
go through the first round. He goes undrafted, spend all
day third Friday talking about what's gonna happen on Friday
with Shador, only for him to go undrafted into Saturday
and just to really have no context in the moment
as to what was going on. It was pretty surreal
(11:05):
to see that happen for a guy that for most
of the draft process felt like he probably wasn't gonna
be the first quarterback off the board, but was going
in the top ten.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I agree, I agree. We're still talking about it. It
still will be a conversation. That's a very that. By
the way, it didn't even not that it didn't register.
I just I didn't think of it, and I'm I'm
I wish I did. That's a really good nominee.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But you're the week.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
We were talking earlier in the week, how there's a
there's still ramifications today, and I think one of the
like sad consequences of it is that cam Ward never
got his love before the draft, after the draft, and
still to this day, cam Ward is not getting any attention.
It's Shader is sucking up the oxygen in this rookie class.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Of course, it was incredible.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
We even had a Chadur moment during game time for
I feel a draft when the Indiana Hoosiers fell to
who drafted Isaac at what? Number five? So yeah, there
you go. It'll be a reference point for history for
the end of time.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
That's the same.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
It was very much the same. It was just.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
It was two full days of like, what are we
all missing? Cause again the floor was okay, no matter
what happens, the Steelers will be taking him. And I
believe that the pick was twenty one, and I think
there was thought could he go to New Orleans? Could
he go to the Browns and number three, number four
whatever they were drafting, And so all night Thursday was
like what happened? But the presumption was I think the
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presumption was he's gonna be like the first guy drafted
on Friday, somebody's gonna trade up for him. Nobody drafts
some Thursday or Friday. Again I'm stealing the mic, or
nobody drafts some Friday all day in the second and
third round. But just surreal in the moment and to
your guys point ramifications throughout.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I just want to before we get to Sam and Isaac,
it was a boring draft heading into it.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yep, it really was. And it was the only story
of the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like there were there were just weren't really many storylines
to follow outside of him.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And then he carried the.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Entire weekend, Poor Cam Worrid, Isaac, Sam, Isaac, what do
you got?
Speaker 9 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with October twenty third, and that
was the morning where the FEDS crashed in and took
into custody a sitting NBA head coach in shaunby Phillips. Yeah,
and Terry Rozier of the Miami Heat. You know, I think,
(13:42):
in of itself as individual cases, it was enormous news,
but I think it was sort of a signature moment
in what the future potential has in store in the
relationship between sports and gambling. And I I think it's
gonna go either one of two ways. Either there's going
(14:03):
to be an even bigger scandal down the road with
people getting busted for directly influencing sporting events allah the
Black Sox scandal in nineteen nineteen, or and I hope
this is the case, But I don't necessarily think it's
going to be the case. It'll wise up people in sports,
players and coaches to not get involved in gambling because
(14:25):
you know you're gonna get busted. I doubt it's going
to be that, but I at least hope it's going
to be that. But I think that was really a
red letter day October twenty third great.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So when the Jontay Porter stuff came out last year,
it was like, okay, whatever. When I saw Terry Rosier
fake like he was, he was faking the injury, like
you could see him on the bench pretending to rub
his calf in ankle from the game that he ended
up you know, ducking out of in twenty twenty three.
(14:57):
To see the video of how he was trying. When
have you ever seen an injured NBA player rub their
injury during a game, right Like never they're either in
the locker room, they're getting checked out by trainers, their
foot's isolated, it's wrapped up. But he was trying to
sell it so much that he was pretending to tend
(15:18):
to his own ankle on the bench of the game
that he tried to fix for his friends.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
Looked like my third grader when he was trying to
get out of school. My tummy hurts, my throat hurts.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
I think that's funny that Isaac brings that up, because
I think I have I have mixed feelings on that
being a memorable story and that I don't think it
was memorable enough. In other words, it was a part
the news cycle. It was definitely a part of our world.
But I think because everyone is so bought and sold
by gambling companies, I don't think enough attention has been
(15:51):
I think a lot of people wanted to go away.
I think, you know, Sports Center would be like, yeah,
no update on the Terry Rogier situation. This segment brought
to you.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
And that literally happened while they were discussing the story.
The lower third graphic was a gambling advertisement.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
It did happen.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I mean, to your point, Jay stew sitting NBA head
coach giving out information on players who are not going
to play.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Is a huge deal.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
And I still don't think And by the way, it
was also Chauncey Billups, mister big shot like wholesome, you know,
nicest literally has a one hundred percent approval rating. Oh yeah,
he's playing in underground gambling rings with secret card stashes.
And I agree with you. I actually felt like it
wasn't discussed enough. Not to say that it wasn't memorable,
but just not discussed enough.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So I'll say it.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Let's go back to February ninth of this year. It
maybe is true that the Philadelphia Eagles did kill the
Kansas City Chiefs. Now, I know a lot of things
played into the Chief's demise, aging veterans, you know, maybe
not enough skill position players of quality, But that forty
to twenty two route by the Eagles, which nobody saw coming,
(17:02):
it just it. It took the Chiefs down another level,
and it signified that the Chiefs were just not the
same team that they were in the past. You know,
seven to ten years it's the peak of the Chiefs.
You were not seeing them get routed like that, You
just weren't. You were seeing them get getting a lot
of wins in close one possession games, the ball bouncing
their way. But today, but that day, that Sunday in February,
(17:25):
the Eagles just took it all out on the Chiefs.
And this year, the rest of the ball of yarn
just completely unwound it and it was capped by you know,
Patrick Mahomes's season ending injury just this past Sunday. So
perhaps the demise of the Chiefs started all the way
back at Super Bowl fifty nine in February, and we're
(17:47):
seeing them completely bottom out right now.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I think it was a preview of the symptoms that
would come this year.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I totally agree. That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Question for you, guys, what do you think resonated more
in this country from February ninth, the Eagles dismantling of
the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl or the Kendrick
Gumar performance.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
That's actually a good question because his performance did make
a lot of lot of waves.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think now the game does, but the performance had
a lot more in the short term afterwards, which I
did not expect. But now as we look at the Chiefs,
as we look at heck, even the Eagles, but really
from the Chiefs, I think the game has more of the.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Lasting of it.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
I think the Janet Jackson justin Timberlake might have had
a different answer back in the day, even though that
was a game that was decided at a last second
field goal.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I don't remember that part. Yeah, that last part I don't.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
Remember YouTube and off company time.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I do know that.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Janet Jackson changed the industry. So, speaking of music fellas,
this song really took off. And here's an interesting tidbit
that I just read on Wikipedia. There is a hit
pop artist name what's her name? Chappelle Rone, Chapel Roone,
Chapel Roane.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
Isn't that where North Carolina Tario's nevermind?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
She did you call her hip hop artist? Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was?
Speaker 8 (19:10):
She a pop pop singer? Yeah, okay, cool. I don't
think she raps.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I obviously know a lot about this. And she did
a song back in twenty twenty and it kind of
went it kind of went nowhere, and then she performed
it at the Grammys this year, and then it just
became the biggest song of twenty twenty five. And it
goes something like this. Pink Pony Club was at the
top of the charts for sixteen weeks of twenty twenty five.
(19:36):
I think each of our ages takes us out of
the demographic of the people that loved this song, but
I could be wrong. Dan Byer always surprises me with
his music tastes. Did anybody here have an experience with
pink Pony Club this year.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I did.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
It started about thirty seconds ago.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know what, I I did not know this song
when it came out, but through whether it be you
know whatever, how it became popular. I had heard the song,
my wife knew the song. I remember most about those
and I'm using air quotes here. The journalists that were
on a red carpet and they were talking to Babyface
(20:20):
and one of the girls completely just interrupted the interview
and was like, oh my gosh, just Chapelerone, get Chapel Roone.
And Babyface was totally disrespected from this, and these idiot
reporters completely disrespected him. Later I had to apologize for it,
but I'm like, really, you're gonna disc Babyface for Chapel Roone.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It just didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
This song is about as memorable to me as Chelsea
Phillips getting arrested on a Tuesday in October.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
So I do know it was a big song because
during the Stanley Cup playoffs, or maybe it was the
Standley Cup Finals, the song was brought up by the
panelists between periods like Wayne Gretzky was there and then
the three or four other guys with him someone brought
up the song and I'm like, Okay, I know this
is a big song because it has pervaded the panel
(21:12):
of NHL talking heads.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That's how big it is.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It was very popular.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Now I don't think I don't think that there is
a movie person in this group besides Sam and I.
So I'm going to skip that and go right to
what the the largest or the most binged TV series
was of the year. And you guys tell me if
any of these resonate with you. Okay, White Lotus, I
(21:40):
think it was his third season of White Lotus, second
season of Severance that hit really big. A show called
The Pit on Max the former lead and er is
on that. I forget his name, something Noah Noah Wiley
maybe or something like that. Alien Alien Earth, and Squid
(22:04):
Game the second season. Do you guys remember any of those?
Did you have? We all binge to those?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'm an over on those shows.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Actually I'm too, so wow ouch. I was told White
Lotus was so good.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
So I started from the beginning, and about one and
a half episodes in of season one, I was like,
I'm out, this is totally uninteresting.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
It takes a lot of patience. It's slow moving. Yeah,
I can see where you can do that.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Darn.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
So you guys didn't watch TV or go to the movies.
So we we just did a lot of sports and
didn't listen to uh to Pink? Was that Pink Babylon?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Was that all?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I don't want to speak for Isaac, and I know
I can't speak for Aaron, and.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Actually, you know what, you can speak for me in
this case, I trust.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You since having a child, in an Isaac's case children,
my TV viewing hierarchy is now really only sports. Like
if I'm not watching sorts for a game or a
pregame or a draft, I am at the mercy of
(23:08):
the family.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
He nailed it. Unless Peppa Peg and Blippy qualify there.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Right, same thing.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Blue It's either or the Blue Jays, you know, you
know whatever it might be Toronto Blues, Toronto Bluies.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Sure it really has and I was not. I knew
that there would be adjustments. I knew that there would
be school events on nights of their sporting events, but
I did not realize on how much it would take
a part of TV viewing, of sitting back and catching
up on a show or watching a show, or to
(23:45):
be able to follow along with that binging show. It
is something that truly truly missed. I've said it on
this show. The only show that me and my wife
watch at its normal time is Survivor. Last night was
a finale and she crashed out at like eight thirty,
so thirty minutes in.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
That's that's where we were.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
It's tough, crashed out. Nice use of twenty twenty five
gen Z Lingo.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Man, it was cinema.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It was true in a cinema, and that's don't call
it a throwback.
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(24:54):
are tonight. I want to get to that game and
the pookin the coua stuff. In about ten minutes or so,
we'll have a discussion. But tomorrow the college football playoff
kicks off, and Aaron Torres you live, eat, sleep, breathe, live,
college football, college basketball. I think Iowa Sam is the
(25:17):
same way. I consider myself an enormous college football fan,
and yet I don't know if the first round has
registered any sort of excitement for me, as we're now
a little more than twenty four hours away of this
bracket getting underway.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
So I have a theory, and I think it's beyond
just the teams in it and the matchups. But I'm
open to if Sam has any thoughts, if you have
any thoughts, But I think part of it is specific matchups,
but I think there's something a little bit bigger. Sam
looks busy, So you think it's matchup based? Is that
(25:55):
from communicating with you off air?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
The you know, I think that the the matchups of
not only with the group of five, but the actual
matchups that we have set do not cause any interest.
I don't think that they promote interest. Alabama Oklahoma is
(26:17):
a not only is it a conference game, it is
a rematch of a game that we already had. And
for as much as I think that we look at
the YOU as a national program, I don't know if
the U draws enough interest.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
A and M is an interesting team, but they're also
an SEC team, and so even Miami Texas A and M,
which I think is going to be a fun game
and I think probably the most interesting of the four.
For that to be your headliner, I think kind of
puts you behind the eight ball if you're college football.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Okay, So I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of it.
I think there are two bigger picture issues. First of all,
and this is something that as you know, we're gonna
continue this playoff conversation. I don't think they figured out
the TV schedule like like, and I understand the NFL
has played on Saturdays in December as long as I've
(27:11):
been watching.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
I don't know the exact number, but.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
It's like you kind of it's like they you have
the conference championship games, and then the sport just goes
out of sight, out of mind. I think that's part
of it too, is I think in our brains we
default to, oh, college football ended in the conference championship weekend,
we have nothing until New Year's Eve, New Year's Day.
I can focus on other stuff. And I could tell you,
(27:36):
as even somebody who loves college football, like, in my head,
if you just told me time between end of regular
season or conference championships or whatever and start of the playoff,
in my head, it's this big barren wasteland of like
three weeks. And in reality it's basically like ten days,
because you spend a day or two talking about the bracket,
(27:58):
and then you spend a day or two previewing, and boom,
that's like ten days. So to me, I think I
just think that college football fans are conditioned to like, hey,
take the month of December off, don't even worry about it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
We'll be back.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
We'll have some good games around the new year. And
I just think coming back. And I'm not saying it's
wrong to come back this weekend. I'm just saying I
think that's the bigger issue. I just don't think people
are conditioned to be like, oh, yeah, that's right, there's
playoff games this weekend, and I don't know, I just
feel like there's been no buzz at all.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So you think that last week's kind of breakof would
you rather be continuous from the conference championship games or
have everything start January first, because that's what we were
accustomed to.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, it's a great question.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
I definitely don't think the answer is pushing anything back
if we're gonna have four rounds, you know, And I
said this last year. I'm as big of a college
football fan as anybody, but I remember, I think it
was the week before the Ohio State Notre Dame game.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
It was that Monday.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
The Sunday before was that Big Bill's Ravens Conference semi
final game, the Divisional round game, And I remember being
more fired up for Bill's raven than I was for
Ohio State Notre Dame. And so I don't think the
answer is keep pushing things back. I think the answer
is probably one. I think we just have to eliminate
conference championship games at this point, they just don't have
(29:11):
the value that they once did. And then I think
you do just have to keep it going. Maybe there's
a way to, you know, give the top teams a
buy that one week or whatever, but yeah, I think
you just kind of keep it going. And I know
it's crazy to go straight into the postseason, I know, whatever,
but I think that's really the only answer at this point.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I think college football is a lot like baseball, and
I mean this in a good way. Like people thought
that baseball was dying in baseball as it was thriving
on a local level, a regional level. Yet if you
don't have the Dodgers in a World Series, maybe your
ending is kind of ho hum. And I feel that
(29:51):
while we have a lot of top programs in college football,
there are just there are some that just move the
needle and some don't. Like Texas AM now is what
Texas A and M is one of the top teams
in the SEC. Doug has been on the record for
saying if he had to pick a coaching job, he'd
probably of any in college football, he'd probably go to
(30:12):
A and M because of what that school and how
much they love football and how much they they backed
the sport. He's said that on this show. But like
Texas A and M isn't one of those schools that's
going to grab the country's attention. And I know, and
you just used Ohio State Notre Dame, where I think
that you could make an argument that those are the
two biggest schools but I'm not sure that they are,
(30:33):
which then Len lends me to the point of I'm
not sure if college football's national championship game has ever
been as big as we thought it was.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Sure, totally fair, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And I think it's it's, you know, maybe once every
five years we get a national championship that resonates, but
in other times it doesn't. And so we were still
maybe trying to figure out a way to get out
of Rose Bowl mode, get out of Fiesta Bowl mode,
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
The case is.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
But I think that the only way to do that
is to have intriguing first round games on home sites
with schools that would never play each other on those
sites if they know in the regular season. And so
that's why I thought last year's Tennessee, Ohio State game
was so big, and even Indiana Notre Dame because of
(31:20):
the in state ramifications, and that was the Friday night
game leading up to the tripleheader. But I think that
those are the games that will will interest in draw interest.
Would I don't know what you can do when you
have so many SEC schools in there, but like college basketball,
can rearrange seating and you can move a team maybe
(31:41):
a spot here, or move them in their region if
they're an eight seed, because you want to avoid a
rematch or you want to avoid conference opponents. You can't
do that with only twelve spots and really only eight
spots in the college football seating. You can't move Oklahoma
and Alabama away from each other for a possible rematch,
which it is, because there's just too much at stake.
(32:02):
And I think that's what hurts college football. But if
you gave me a Big ten at ACC and SEC
at Big ten matchup, a Big twelve team home to
a Big ten team in the first round, I think
that those would resonate. I just don't think any of
these games really do because of who's playing ooh and where?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yeah, all, I'll say really quick and I'd be curious
about this is and I'll just be very very quick
your perspective. If Notre Dame, so let's say Miami is
in the ACC championship game, put away all the tie breakers, right,
they're in this this event. We still have A and
M Notre Dame, or we still have A and M. Yeah,
A A and M Miami. We now have Notre Dame
(32:40):
at Old Miss. Does that now become the most intriguing game.
Do we care more? Okay, and I think so too,
But go ahead and say, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, I just I agree with you. I think it
absolutely does. Ole Miss Tulane is is a is a rematch.
People don't even realize, like it's why why should Almiss
have to play the game? Why you'd Oklahoma have to
play the game? Aside from it being uninteresting? I don't
even think it's fair for those schools. So I think
Notre Dame Olemiss would have been a much more intriguing matchup.
(33:10):
It would have been the game of the week. Sure
in my mind.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
No, I agree, and I we don't have to do
the G five conversation now. I think they deserve a
spot at the table. I think the acc screwing up
their tiebreakers really was what has led us to where
we are right now. You and I will be filling
in throughout the month, well, plenty of time to have
that conversation.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
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Speaker 2 (33:43):
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(34:03):
but Puka Nakua is grabbing all of the headlines, and
not in a good way. First things first, this was
Puka talking about the NFL's officiating and specifically the referees
when he appeared on Aiden Ross's stream on Tuesday night.
Because there's just something the rules aren't Then, like, these
guys want to be These guys are lawyers, and like Rether,
(34:26):
they want.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
To be on TV too, brother, like the game, you
don't think he's He's texting his friends.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
In the group chat, Like yo, you guys just saw
me Sunday night football Like that was Like that wasn't
p I like, but I called.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It was serious. I mean, these guys are noble human
beings too.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I understand that there's bad calls aeron, but to sit
there and say they're going to call penalties because they
told their boys their lawyer chat group that they're going
to be on TV is It's just it's idiot beyond
any means.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Yeah, I don't. I don't really have a ton to
add outside of that. I mean, obviously I had seen
the video, I had seen the quotes and heard the
quotes and all that. You're you're allowed to be frustrated
with the refs, but the notion to your point that
it's one big opportunity to kind of get your face
in the spotlight feels a little bit ridiculous to me.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I would also say that if Pooka Nakuah were to
say I'm a wide receiver, I have no idea what
pass interference is, we could get We could get on
board with that, right, We could understand if he said
something to the effect of there are times when I've
been you know, basically mugged running down the sidelines and
nothing was called, and other times I can get away
(35:44):
with this or that. I think that would be insight,
that would be funny. But to say that, yeah, referees
have buddies that they want to show their buddies that
they get on TV. Is ridiculous, But it doesn't even
raise to the ridiculousness of why Pooka Nakula is now
in hot water after he today then had to make
a statement apologizing because of Aiden Ross and Neon is
(36:08):
Neon the other one. I know, I sound like, get
off my lawn guy. I just know he spells his
name with a.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Number, so of course it's supposed to be an E.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, yes, yes, So pookin Akua is making there trying
to get him to do a touchdown celebration that could
also be taken as an anti semitic gesture.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
What are you doing on a Tuesday night in advance
of the biggest game of your of your season. I
just there's you want to talk about, like signs things
aren't going gonna go right for the Rams, Like if
we're talking about pookin Nakula today just hours before kickoff
of what could be the biggest game of the NFL
regular season, absolutely ridiculous And puku Akua should apologize, he
(36:49):
should be there should be some sort of of of
penalty to come out with it and I understand why
the Rams didn't want to let these guys into the
building anyway, like this is this is just crazy, especially
on a short week.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Well that's what I was gonna say. You're streaming on a Tuesday.
You don't play it till Sunday. That's one thing, But
you know games in Seattle, you got to get on
a plane probably Wednesday. Not a good look for him,
And I don't know that it makes me feel differently
about the game, but just overall, not a good look
for him.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Jason, did you want in on any of this for
I wrap it up?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
No. I just think that I don't know anything about
Poka Nakua and the Rams don't make any news in
this town. I should know him better, but he comes
off this week as extremely unsmart. I don't know if
he's just like a big personality and a great receiver
who's not doesn't have it all working up there, but
he just looks kind of dumb in this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I always thought that he was very welcoming, and maybe
that ended up being a downfall where you're welcoming the
wrong sort of things into your life. I don't know
who the streamers are, but he's in hot water because
of this. Sure, and I know again I sound old,
but while you're doing it on Tuesday night, forty eight
hours before a game against the Seahawks, and by the way,
(38:01):
you offended a lot of people in a very very
bad way. You gotta be better than that, Ram Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Doug will be back to talk about that and a
whole bunch more tomorrow. For Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Byer.
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