December 18, 2025 • 37 mins
Dan and Aaron in for Doug as they discuss the Dolphins' decision to bench quarterback Tua Tagovailoa. Dan and Aaron welcome FSR NFL Insider Adam Caplan onto the show to talk about the Dolphins, Seahawks and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes the guys through "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words,
and you better be listening to what the Miami Dolphins
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He is erin Torres. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug.
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Thursday going?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Dan Buyer?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So far, so good? And I hope people are probably
tuning in saying, wait a second, where's Doug? We heard
what Doug said last night in Green Bay after his
Phoenix picked up a huge non conference win against U
SEE Santa Barbara. Pretty good win in college basketball, right,
I mean, when you're a mid major you're trying to
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make your up way up through the Horizon League. A
nice win against an eight and three UCSB team. It's
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Erin Torres, Yes, it unbelievable win. I know Doug was
a little bit emotional after the game, yes, And what
you know, I'll give you the floor. You know Doug
as well as anybody in this business, and I know
I know Doug will be speaking for himself soon.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And Doug's going to be in tomorrow, so we all
know the news and we'll let Doug speak for what
Doug has to say and what he said last night.
I don't want to put any words in his mouth.
But after the win, the big win that they got,
Doug made an announcement and he will deal with that tomorrow.
So we're all aware. Doug will be on the Doug
Gottlieb Show tomorrow. You don't have to worry about that.
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But it's erin Torres and myself today hanging out here
on Fox Sports Radio. So but a great win for
Doug going to focus on basketball. We're going to focus
on this show today and let Doug say everything that
he needs to say and wants to say and deserves
to say. Coming up in tomorrow's show. A lot of
people are talking about the Miami Dolphins speaking of having
something to say, and I think Aaron that the message here,
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the message is being lost. The message that we have
heard out of Miami this week is that's it for Tua.
Tua's run is over. Told you to a stinks Tua
was never good. And I think this message is actually
clouding what is going on in Miami. And this all
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stems from the Dolphins and Mike McDaniel announcing that on
Tuesday they were going to evaluate the quarterback position, and
then yesterday announcing that seventh round pick quin you Weers
would end up replacing Tua, with Tua being demoted down
to number three for the game this Sunday against the
Cincinnati Bengals. It's all been about Tua, Tua, Tua's benching,
but I just think that there's more to that. So
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when you hear the news about Tua being benched, what
was your knee jerk reaction to the move from Miami.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, you know, I think coming off of Monday night,
it was a debacle. And I'll be honest when when
I did hear it, I thought, you know, not good
for Tua. And I do think there's a little bit of,
you know, people that never believed in him taking victory
laps or whatever. And I do think it's a great
point by you. We all have to take a step
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back and say, wait a second. Now, this team started
one in six, gave up thirty plus points in each
of its first three losses, and oh, by the way,
was eliminated from the playoffs over the course of these
past couple of days with the loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and so you know, it does feel like Tua has
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become this blanket conversation without the context of they've been
eliminated from the playoffs. And I'm not saying he's having
a season like Josh Allen, like whomever, but he is
not the sole reason that they are in this position,
sitting at six and eight going into the final two
weeks of the regular season. So it has been interesting
I final three weeks of the regular season, I apologize,
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but it has been interesting to see the narrative and
the conversation given the fact that this is an organization
that fired its GM that we thought for a long
time would be firing its head coach. Although I think
we both know where that's going and we could continue
that conversation. I yeah, I just it has become interesting
how it has become a to a conversation as opposed
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to say, a bigger picture Dolphins conversation. Over the last
couple of days.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The Miami Dolphins have basically put this all on to
his shoulders. They got dominated by the Steelers on Monday night.
There was some curious play calling, so much so that
Troy Aikman said it in the broadcast of this team
didn't seem to be in a hurry for anything, and
now they're in a hurry with two minutes left in
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the game that they were completely out of Steelers scoring
on consecutive possessions, racking up adding to their lead over
the Dolphins. So it wasn't like the defense was doing
their part. But this all just piles on Tua And
that's what the Dolphins want you to believe and want
you to see. This is the fact the Dolphins, while
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they may be done with Tua tongue of Ailoa are
also tanking on this season for the final three weeks
of the year. Now, there's only so much you can tank.
They're not going to get the first overall pick. They
have too many wins already for that. But it is
no coincidence, no coincidence whatsoever, that the Miami Dolphins are
making a change at quarterback hours after they were eliminated
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from postseason competition. It was a long shot anyway, Aaron.
But if you go back to Monday night and you
evaluate where the Miami Dolphins were in that game against
the Pittsburgh Steelers, where their playoff hopes were still alive
in Pittsburgh did not have TJ. Watt in the game
that they needed the most to win the season. They
started to a tongue of by Law, and Tua went
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twenty two of twenty eight for two hundred and fifty yards,
two touchdowns and an interception. That's the stat line. He
wasn't fourteen of thirty three for one hundred and eighteen
yards in three interceptions. He's thrown a lot of interceptions.
He's actually leads the league in interceptions with fifteen of
them this season. This season, but if you were to
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bench him and you felt that there was a better
option or something that you wanted to improve on, you
would have done it before this, and they didn't. And
so I think that the narrative that we have heard
all week long, and by the way, Mike McDaniel is
going to stay as head coach. There is no way
he is going to be fired GM Chris Greer was ousted,
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the Dolphins went on a run. The word, the narrative
out of the Dolphins locker room was that the players
like Mike McDaniel. That's what this move is also about.
Mike McDaniel is getting a head start on twenty twenty
six and all of the signs that lead up of
what the Dolphins did with this decision, even to Zach Wilson,
who even told reporters yesterday that he was confused a
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bit by the decision, didn't necessarily understand on why they
were going with Quinn yours instead of him. If Zach
Wilson was your best way to he's been your second
quarterback all season long. Now you're going with a seventh
round pick of a quarterback, and you were sitting there
saying that this our this is our best option. We
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want to look at stuff. No, this is tanking. This
is tanking. If you want to put two on the
shelf because you don't want him to get hurt, that's fine,
but don't put it all on to his shoulders. The
Miami Dolphins are completely covering up what the real story is,
and is that they're not trying to win these final
three games of the season.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
No. One hundred and as far as Zach Wilson's concerned,
I could tell him very easily why they're not going
to him. It's because he probably gives them a better
chance to win than a seventh round quarterback that has
never started a game before. And and yeah, it is.
It is just a very interesting situation. And to your point,
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it is interesting how it has been framed publicly. And
I do wonder if it's you know, Mike, Mike McDaniel
trying to say face a little bit knowing that he's
coming back next year. I don't know exactly why, but
it just has been interesting. And again I go back
to what I said a half a second ago. I
don't know if it's just because Tua has essentially been
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a lightning rod really since draft. I mean Dan, it's
easy to forget, like we know about the tank for
Tua stuff early in his Alabama career he was coming
off major hip surgery, of will he ever play football again?
Was a conversation that people were having, maybe not the
night of the draft, but probably a couple months before
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the draft. And I only bring that up to say
that it does feel like there have been a lot
of people circling the wagons waiting for this moment where
Tua gets benched to say, wow, I've been telling you
since he was at Alabama. Hey, you can't try to
get And it's like one thing doesn't necessarily have anything
to do with the other, but they are being framed
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that way. And so to your point, I think it's
a great question for First of all, to your point,
I think if you watch the game on Monday night
versus the stat line, like you don't realize that the
statlight was actually a lot better than you remember it
from watching the game. But then two, to your point,
if somehow the Dolphins were mathematically still in the playoff hunt,
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still mathematically able to conceivably make the playoffs, he is
probably your starter this week, but he gets benched, and
then again to what you've said a couple times, is
the spotlight instantly turns to blame to a it's all
his fault. You gotta get rid of him. You'll never
get over a certain hump with him as your quarterback.
It has been fascinating to see how all of that
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and all of those narratives have shifted.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He becomes the easy scapegoat and the reason that they're
benching him. And I know that this contract is an
enormous out tross, but this is why you're also not
playing him the final three games. If it really was
a demotion, he would probably be actually the backup quarterback.
Let Quinn you were start, and if something goes wrong
then you have two in. But no, they're gonna put
him at the emergency quarterback in case something does happen
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with Quinn e yours or Quinn yours is awful, then
you got to put a different quarterback in, and you
put Zack Wilson in so then Tua doesn't get hurt
like it's the Dolphins are just piling on. They're completely
piling onto the narrative of everybody now taking their victory lap.
About to your point, Aaron, whether it was in the
twenty twenty draft or whether it was throughout, and I agree, Look,
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Tua maxed out. He maxed out with their playoff game
that they had in Kansas City when it was like
zero degrees. That's as good as it was going to
get for the Dolphins, and it's probably gonna be as
good as it's going to get for Tua as a
starting quarterback. But that doesn't mean Tua deserves to have
this whole entire narrative poured on his shoulder of what
the Dolphins are trying to do for these final three
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games of the season, which I think is kind of
crappy for a team to do, especially if he thought
he was good enough to be your starting quarterback on
Monday when it was a Musk must win game against
an AFC foe. This is what two I had to
say when he talked about the news that he wasn't
going to be starting in Week sixteen.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Naturally, I'd say, I'm disappointed. I think it's normal. It's
a normal human emotion, you know. Outside of that, I
got to do my part. My road here right now
is to help whoever the quarterback is going to be
for this team, to lead this team help in whatever
way I can, you know, to help the team win.
Win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Why do you think this has happened?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I would say the biggest thing, and it's being honest
with myself as well, had been my performance. I haven't
been performing up to the level and the capabilities.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That I have in best. Oh boys, he's covering for him, Aaron.
That's why you say. If I got to say it
and then he's like he's holding it off of it,
I got to be honest with myself. He's lying to himself.
Maybe he hasn't been great, but he doesn't be deserved
to be demoted to third string quarterback for the Miami
Dolphins for the final three games of the year. That
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not only matter when it comes to draft position.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
The other thing I will say, Tua is not afraid
to throw a coach under the bus if he feels
so inclined. Look at his comments on Brian Flores. So
I think there's probably part of it that, Hey, we're
six and eight. You know, we obviously made the playoffs
two years ago. We haven't really built off of that.
But I do think there's something too. You can be
honest and say my play hasn't been good enough, while
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also acknowledging that your play not being good enough is
also not the sole reason that the entire organization is
in the current spot that they're in, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Two also talked about his future in Miami after this season.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Do you think we've played your last time with the Dolphins?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I'm not too sure. I can't predict the future. I can't,
you know, predict any of that. So it is what
it is. And as I said, got to help out
Q Gott, to help out Zach. Whoever the starter is
or is going to do what I can to help
them in that row and help them the.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Team in games. I actually think he's being a team players.
Who the starting quarterback is, it's why, yeah, right, he
said Q first, And if you didn't know at that time,
if they didn't tell you who they were gonna go with.
And I don't know what the timeline of the announcement
into a speaking, but at first he said he didn't
know who it was, and then he mentioned the seventh
round pick as the quarterback instead of the the actual
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number two that's been backing them up the whole time.
He's in on it. He's covering for them. It's too
bad the Dolphins couldn't do the same for Tula.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Now and it is it is disappointing to see the setup,
to see everything and the way that it has it
just I'll say this is I did think overall, he
handled that about as well as you possibly could have.
To your point, is he covering for the franchise a
little bit? Is he maybe defending or protecting some people
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that he shouldn't. Maybe, But at the same time, you know,
I do think that he handled that up about as
well as he could.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
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we have got Week sixteen actions, tonight, Dolphins have the Bengals,
by the way, nice soft launch because the Bengals, we
know how bad their defense is. So Zach Wilson actually
may have success against the Bengals if he were to
play them, and they may actually win the game. So
they're going to Quinn yours and I'm a Quinn yours.
I like Quinn yours erin sure, I do. I just
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don't think that unless you're trying to make this into
some magical brock Purty seventh round pick situation, which it's not.
I just don't under understand the reason going to the
rookie aside from trying to lose games, and Tuus should
know that this was his last game in Miami. Like
that's my only takeaway with all of this is if
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now you're playing against the worst defense in the National
Football League and you can't have too good a quarterback
play if you want to win that game.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
So I'm actually really torn because on the one hand,
I do think we kind of know what Zach Wilson is,
and you know, I think we all know what Zach
Wilson is. And I do think there's something to give
the seventh round picks some game experience to see if
he can elevate and do whatever. But so I think
there's something to give Quinn Ewers the opportunity to genuinely
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see if there is anything there. We know he was
a former five star, you know, maybe there is something there.
The counter to that is also kind of the undertone
of this whole conversation, which is you're trying to get
the worst draft spot as possible, and the upside of
what Zach Wilson could be against the worst defense in
the league, to your point, is probably enough to get
a win. And so I do think there's a small
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element of is there anything here with Quinn Eewers, But
I think it's more about losing games, protecting draft picks,
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
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Speaker 2 (16:16):
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he's always working in the NFL season. Is Adam Kaplan
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at Kaplan NFL also on sports Grid. All right, Adam,
we were just talking about the Tua situation in Miami.
I think that the Dolphins are taking a convenient approach
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to pour everything on Tua when they're trying to lose games.
Why did they turn to Quinn youwrs and not Zach
Wilson in this situation.
Speaker 8 (16:44):
Well, because Quinn Yours was drafted by them, and Quinn
Yours is a guy I know for fact, they had
a higher grade on than he was drafted. And when
you're eliminated, the term is evaluation mode. They're in evaluation mode.
They don't need to valuate Zach Wilson. They know what
he is. And it's actually a very simple decision for them.
They were cut. The way I understand it is they
got progressively fed ups. Not as strong is not a
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fair word. They they got frustrated with with Tua. And
remember that the general manager of drafting was fired, Chris Greer,
and they have no allegiance to the player now. Unfortunately,
because his contract structure, it's gonna be very hard to trade.
It's just they're gonna almost certainly have to eat some
of the money of the fifty four million that's fully
guaranteed next season, and there's a there's some trigger points
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for future seasons, so they're gonna have They're gonna have
to They're gonna basically have to move on from them
one way or the other. The last thing they want
to do is cut them because they're gonna owe them
that money. But sure effect the matter is, guys, it
hasn't worked. And yours is a guy that dropped in
the draft, had a big injury history unfortunately. But I
know for fact that they're very high on this player
and they're gonna want to take a look at him
because there's there's nothing to play for other than evaluation.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, and and I I understand that portion of it,
But what does it say about the NFL? What does
he even say about the Dolphins? Like if Tua was
so bad, why don't they go to Zach Wilson earlier?
While they still like playoff hopes. That's the point that
I that's.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
Harder because they're on a roll because remember they Dan,
they kind of sort of turn their season around, right, Yeah,
I know last week was bad, but they started to
getting you know, they got they won four in a
row with that quarterback and with tuaus So and they
had a bit huge win where they blow out Buffalo,
which was shocking.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, and that's why their messaging Adam doesn't make any
sense like it does but it doesn't. And I just
I feel like they're really doing to a dirty by
piling this all on him. McDaniel's words after the game,
we have to evaluate the Yeah, I was just gonna
say the evaluating of the quarterback portion of it. To me,
it was just it's easy because everybody piles onto it,
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and I just feel that it's unfair to him that
the Dolphins are doing this when they have ulterior motives
in all of this, including to your point, the evaluation period,
which I don't think is lost on anybody, but it's
also then reflects on where where are we in the NFL.
If teams are just throwing away weeks at the end
of the season, and you know in week sixteen, I'd
get week seventeen and week eighteen, but you know, come on,
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I just don't like it.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
I would add to this. So when Mike McDaniel after
the if the press conference, if they lost us the Steelers,
I mean, he was asked the direct question, is too,
is still your starter? And he could have said, yeah,
he's our starter, but he's got a play better we
have when we have to coach better, which is the
typical coach speak. I didn't say that, it's like we're
evaluating everything. I was like, Wow, he didn't back them.
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That's not good. That when you have a chance to
back him after a loss and you don't, you're opening
a major cannon worm. So on your point, Dan, that's
where it really started. But I know behind the scenes
they've been frustrated because he's never really been able to
play consistently good enough football. I know they've been the
playoffs with him but really never advanced at all. And
the GM who decided to take him over Justin Herbert
was fired, and that's you know, that's kind of where
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it is.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Let me ask you a dumb question, Adam. The presumption
then would be that they would draft a quarterback. And
the only reason I ask is because it feels like
there aren't does feel like a great quarterback draft. And
then on top of it, they're obviously not going to
be in position to get the one to two guys
that people believe are difference makers, but they would still,
you know, hope to find the right guy at pick twelve,
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thirteen fourteen wherever they end up drafting.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Well, we don't know about that. We don't know anything
about the draft yet because the terms of who's available
that that'll we won't know until January fifteenth, when is
the that the unaclassman can declare. So that's off the
table for now. What they can do, and everything I've
been told is that mac Jones is going to have
a very big market. There will be multiple teams involved.
His tape was really good filling in now, they could
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take that on your on your point your question, Aaron,
they could take that route, the free agent route, but
the free agent group overall is bad. They could trade
the trade route. Kirk Cousins could still plays look better lately,
but that he's got a big cash number that's unattenable.
You're not going to want to take his contract and
he's over player, and then you look to see who's released,
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trade market or draft as you're pointing out, but we
have to see who comes a well. But first they're
in a tough way, there's no question. It just depends
on what the draft looks like. On the surface in
terms of upper senior class it's bad, but underclassmen it
looks like it's got a chance to be good depending
on who declares.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Adam kaplan our nfl In said, are joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. He's heroin Tores. I'm Dan byer
in for Doug Gottlieb today on Fox Sports Radio. What
about the Joe Burrow situation because he hasn't been helping
himself over the last couple of weeks, frustrated talking about retirement.
So is he frustrated with the Bengals. He's just frustrated
with football. What's the deal with Burrow losing?
Speaker 8 (21:36):
No, he's frustrated with losing. I know I have a
decent insight on what's going on there. He's frustrated that
they can't win. He's never got to say anything about
their defense. Their defense most weeks is non competitive. It
was terrible. It was actually worse last season under lou
Ana Roumo is doing a good job with the Colts.
And this is I remember, you know, I don't know
if I told you this when I talked to Carl Pickens,
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the former Bengals receiver who forfeited part of signing bonus
his last contract because he asked out. He wanted out,
he didn't care. He just couldn't take coming in the
building anymore and would he would end his career with
the Titans. But it's tough man. It's tough when you
know you don't have a chance to win. This is
what Carl told me. It's really hard to go into
work and he's frustrated they're not trading him. Like the
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trade deadline. I mean, they'd be able to trade is
in March, in the middle of March. But Aaron just
talked about it. I mean, it's just we were talking
about this a minute ago. That quarterback for agent class
isn't very good other than mac Jones, there's really nowhere
to go. And what I felt when they resigned to Higgins,
I was really surprised by that. Not that he's a
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good player, but you're putting your resources totally on offense
and the A they don't draft well on defense, well enough,
they've done awfully in free agency on defense, and they
have a bad roster that's on defense. They have a
really bad roster dan and it's hard. It's hard to
get out of that. You can't do it one year,
by the way, it takes some time.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Let me ask you about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes obviously
very unfortunately. Yeah, well I was gonna ask you know,
he he obviously he's a competitor and he's great at
what he does, and he says he wants to be
back week one. But we can see that this Chiefs
team has a lot of work to do. Like one,
I don't even know. I'm not asking to play doctor here,
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but does it make sense to just almost use next
year as kind of a reset year? I know with
Andy Reid you're never going to really bottom out.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
But yeah, they're not going to do that. But yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Go ahead, explain why they wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
They're not They don't think they're in the rebuild. But
I would tell you if everyone I've talked to in
the last two three weeks. I do radio every Thursday
on WHB in Kent City, and you know, we actually
spend twenty minutes on this today. My whole segment was
based on this. What do they do next year? The
roster's not very good. I think that comparatively to what
it's been. Their offensive line was not as good as
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they thought it would be. They spent a lot of
resources on it. It didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
The one thing one of the things I was told
Aaron going to the season, they wanted to bring back
vertical passing game. This is a big thing for them.
Never happened with Hollywood Brown and Worthy who they you know,
they made the trade in last year's draft to gill
get him with Buffalo, believe or not, of all of
all teams to make a trade with, and that has
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not worked out yet. He's been okay, but they're not
getting the explosives with him. Their defense, they lack pass rushers,
really not very good. Their cornerback group other than McDuffie's
really bottom five the roster, guys, I mean, it's just
not good enough. It's a it's a probably a bottom
half of the NFL roster, believe or not, spite them
making the Super Bowl last season, and they also have
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gotten older and Aaron, it's a it's a they don't
run the ball well. By the way, average perplay is
not good. They're they're they're actually outside the top ten.
Season they were in top three, and yards per play
is one of the one of the evaluation numbers that
clubs use. Through six years, there were no less than,
no lower than top three. So everything's dropped off. Guys, Yeah,
this is this is not good. They what they need
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is a major retool. And John Schneider, the GM told
me that one when why had asked him in his
office many years ago. We were sitting down and talking
about football and everything and said, hey, you know, I
don't know you got this is after legion of boom.
You guys in the rebuild. It goes No, we don't
believe that. We believe in retooling the roster while trying
to win, and that's that's what the TEPS are going
to try.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
To do here. Well, Seahawks are playing their biggest game,
I think in since Super Bowl forty nine tonight against
the Rams. Just a side note there, Adam Kaplan joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's going to have
so much to say with the NFC, but I want
to ask you about something that you just said to
Aaron And don't mean to put you on the spot,
but I think it's we look at the NFL when
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you talk about best rosters available, the Eagles were always
the team for best roster in the NFL, the Philadelphia Eagles.
If Philadelphia is the best in the league and best
in the NFC, and it's not the Chiefs, and I
know Buffalo is complaining about their roster and what they
have around Josh Allen in the AFC. Who has the
best roster in that conference?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Oh boy, is the NFC player for the first time? Yeah, well,
I would say Denver. And as a matter of fact,
with Denver, their offensive talent is way better than their
like their numbers would show. And obviously both bo Nicks
has been up and down. Yeah they do. I would
say that without a shadow of doubt. They do. And
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they've got the best and Sean I mean, I mean
when you look at Sean Payton, he's done a phenomenal
job there. Yeah, Denver has the best roster now. And
not only that, I would say in the National Football League,
Green Bay, you take Michael Parsons out there, out of there,
the equation it's completely different. They're not a lock to
make the playoffs. They should make it, but they're not
a lock. Phillies, their roster's not close to last year
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they had. They lost five starters on defense, and it's
although although they've kind of retooled. They had the trade
deadline move and Jalen Phillips has been really good and
they're they're they're now pois probably to make a little
bit of a run here. Their schedules really good, but
it's Sky's I'm telling you, and you're a Seahawks fan,
Dan Ronald doesn't implode, and I know he had four
picks the last time they played the Rams, but they
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should be a little bit better on offense. You'd expect him.
If Sam doesn't implode, they're capable of making run for
the NFC. This is a good year just to get in.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, and tonight is so much implications and it's not
done if the Seahawks were to win. But if the
Rams win this, the Rams are in a really, really
good spot over the final two weeks of the season.
So all right, Adam, we appreciate the time. Can't wait
to talk to you on Sunday when I team up
with Carrie Roads, and we'll talk to you again here
on Fox Pouts right. Thanks, Yes, Adam Kaplan our NFL
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of the day.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Coward, pressured by a double team, now jumps it to Jackson.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Jackson drives the baseline running right hand floater.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's the icing on the game right there, baby. That
was the Memphis Grizzlies topping the Minnesota Timberwolves on the
Grizzlies Radio Network one sixteen to won ten in W
in action last night as the Grizzlies end up getting
the w over the Timberwolves. He is Aaron Torres. I'm
Dan Beyer. I do think tonight's game is the biggest
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for the Seahawks since Russell Wilson threw the interception of
Malcolm Butler on the one yard line. There there were
there were years and even Adams said that John Schneider
and the Seahawks were in this reload mode, but they
were never the contender that they were. There was a
game about six years ago where they played the forty
nine Ers in the final week of the season, and
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if the Seahawks won, the forty nine Ers wouldn't have
been the number one seed, But it doesn't mean that
the Seahawks would have been the number one overall seed.
That would have gone to Green Bay. But if you
win tonight, it really opens things up in the NFC.
Watch the forty nine ers would have life the Seahawks
in forty nine ers are on a have a date
in week eighteen, but a huge, huge game in the
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NFL tonight with the Ramsom Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, all I'll say really quick is knowing this game
was this evening, I was excited to be working with
you today, knowing your history with the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
My only real take.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
So I have been a Sam Donald critic for most
of his career, right up until that Sunday night game
against the Commanders a few weeks ago, when every time
I looked up, guys were running eighty yards down the
sideline untouched, and I was like, this team's awesome. They're
fun to watch. And so I got really into the
Seahawks and started believing in Sam Donald. And then, to
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Adam's point, he had the disastrous game a few weeks
ago at so far, so I'm excited. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Adam brought up Sam Donald's, you know, lack of success
in these super high profile games, even though he has
had a lot of regular season success.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
The last few years.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
So as somebody with kind of no skin in the game,
I'm just excited to watch see if Sam Darnold can
get that pseudo monkey off his back, pick up a
big win, and then to your point, if he does,
everything's on the table, from a number one seed, a
deep playoff runt, all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
He is aeron Torres. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Yeah,
Week sixteen, kicking off tonight in Seattle between these Seahawks
and the Rams.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
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Speaker 7 (31:15):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Okay, gang, We're gonna draft teams that you most like
to win the college football Playoff. The number one pick
goes to Dan, followed by Aaron Torres, Iowa, Sam, Isaac
Loewen something or other can't stand that guy, then Jason,
and then back around and with the number one pick
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teams we most like to win the college football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I give you Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well, you know, if I was choosing with my heart,
you know, or I would go. But I will say this,
this pick is up for trade. If someone has a
sure fire number one that they would like to take,
I would offer this up for trade. If anyone is interested.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I'll trade.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Okay, all right, Aaron Torres, you and I will flop
one and two and then maybe nine and ten. Does
that sound good?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I don't think the ten team can win it, so okay,
so it's a good trade for me. Uh, I'll go
to Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Good pick.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, because I'm with you. I think Ohio State, to
their credit, is a year ahead of schedule, first year
starter Jeremiah Smith back whatever.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Georgia.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Not only have they gone through a gauntlet, beat Ole, Miss,
beat Tennessee, et cetera, they're peaking at the right time,
dominating Texas a few weeks ago, dominating Alabama in the
SEC Championship game. I don't know if they will win it,
but I do think to me, I don't feel comfortable
picking anybody else, so I will gladly take that trade
and take Georgia with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, all right, I'm sitting there at number two. I listen,
I could be the wheeler and dealer and continue to
trade check.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Just keep trading him. Is the less sneed of today.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Are you gonna get a first overall pick in next
year's college football?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You got to get something extra thrown in, Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's right. I just don't maybe a tailgate food.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
That's what I would do if I was making a trade.
I'd like throw in a tailgate food at one of
these stadiums.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Like I just feel really good about Notre Dame next year,
So I'm just lining it up for that a futures pick.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You know what, we'll go off the board. Give me
Oregon at two, all right, Yes, getting momentum from a
game on the first weekend and then carrying it through Iowa.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Sam comes next, and again Iowa is not necessarily a
candidate for this game.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Sorry.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
So they'll be taking on Vanderbilt in the relayah Quest
Bowl formerly was it dan the Outback Bowl?
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Yes, so yet another appearance.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
For Kirk Farns the Hawkeyes in the out Back Bowl
now the la Quist Bowl. Anyway, I'm getting off I
digest here. I'm gonna take Texas Tech and they're really, really,
really good defense. Give me Texas Tech Red Raiders.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
So none of y'all picked Indiana and they're the one seed,
all right, what can I say? I'm gonna go with Indiana.
Next two picks belong to Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
So in is something going on here? What's going on?
So the the odds on favorite to win is available
with pick five.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You guys all.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
Avoided Indiana is the shaduor Sanders of this draft.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
It feels dirty, but I guess I'll do Ohio State
since they're the odds on favorite to win. And then
I'm going to go with the team that I'm rooting
for ole Miss. I don't know if you guys heard,
but they lost their their head coach and they gained
a fan and me ole Miss with the six pick.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I wouldn't say they lost their head coach as much
as the head coach lost them. Okay, this is we're
now down to what ten?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Nine, eight?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
We're now in a seven pick? What the heck? I'm
gonna really go outside the box and go Miami of Florida,
like that kind of a sleeper for that role.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
So Sam, you're next.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
Okay, you know what, I'm gonna go with Oklahoma. I'm
gonna go with Oklahoma just because they get to host
this game in Norman. I feel like Alabama's got some
running the ball issues. I'm gonna go with the Sooners.
Give me the Sooners.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
And now, as a result of their stunning trade, they
even scooped WOJE on it with the ninth pick, Dan.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Byer, Okay, so Isac, who was your first pick?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I can't remember? No, My first pick was Indiana?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay? Indiana, all right? Matthew Texas Tech okay? Alabama?
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Alabama, Alabama okay. And with the final pick, Aaron Torres
among those on the board. According to my computer like mind,
we got Texas A and M. James Madison and Tulane.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Well they're at home this weekend. Favored this weekend, I'll
take the Texas A and M.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Maggie's all right, there we have it. These will be
locked in and filed away for New Year's There is
your college football playoff draft.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Game.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
This is game time on the Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I thought maybe you would go number one with Georgia. Aaron.
I'm just glad that you were a wheeler and dealer
that I was able to at least get a little
bit more value. And Sam with the Texas Tech surprised
me a little bit.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
I thought about going with Texas Tech at number two.
If I had stayed in that spot, I don't know
that I would have. I probably would have gone with
J Stew's Ohio State Buck guys, who I know you adore.
But yeah, I Texas Tech's interesting. I think a lot
of people are sleeping on.
Speaker 10 (36:38):
I do think Georgia is the strongest pick because they
got the Alabama monkey off their back because they lost
it home. Then they just walloped him in the championship game.
And I saw a video of like Kirby Smart could
be heard from the parking lots yelling at his team.
They're gonna they're gonna be ferocious during this playoff.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I think that they turned the volume up. Yeah, maybe
a little for that was refect, but yeah, yeah, I
saw that too. I left. At first, I thought the
guy was in traffic, so I thought, like Kirby Smart
was yelling on the phone or something, or like threw
a car. And then I realized, oh, he's sitting outside
the practice facilities and and and chewing someone out. He's
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er Torres. I'm dan byer In for Doug Gottlieb. We
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words,
and you better be listening to what the Miami Dolphins
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Thursday going?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Dan Buyer?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So far, so good? And I hope people are probably
tuning in saying, wait a second, where's Doug? We heard
what Doug said last night in Green Bay after his
Phoenix picked up a huge non conference win against U
SEE Santa Barbara. Pretty good win in college basketball, right,
I mean, when you're a mid major you're trying to
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make your up way up through the Horizon League. A
nice win against an eight and three UCSB team. It's
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Erin Torres, Yes, it unbelievable win. I know Doug was
a little bit emotional after the game, yes, And what
you know, I'll give you the floor. You know Doug
as well as anybody in this business, and I know
I know Doug will be speaking for himself soon.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And Doug's going to be in tomorrow, so we all
know the news and we'll let Doug speak for what
Doug has to say and what he said last night.
I don't want to put any words in his mouth.
But after the win, the big win that they got,
Doug made an announcement and he will deal with that tomorrow.
So we're all aware. Doug will be on the Doug
Gottlieb Show tomorrow. You don't have to worry about that.
(01:57):
But it's erin Torres and myself today hanging out here
on Fox Sports Radio. So but a great win for
Doug going to focus on basketball. We're going to focus
on this show today and let Doug say everything that
he needs to say and wants to say and deserves
to say. Coming up in tomorrow's show. A lot of
people are talking about the Miami Dolphins speaking of having
something to say, and I think Aaron that the message here,
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the message is being lost. The message that we have
heard out of Miami this week is that's it for Tua.
Tua's run is over. Told you to a stinks Tua
was never good. And I think this message is actually
clouding what is going on in Miami. And this all
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stems from the Dolphins and Mike McDaniel announcing that on
Tuesday they were going to evaluate the quarterback position, and
then yesterday announcing that seventh round pick quin you Weers
would end up replacing Tua, with Tua being demoted down
to number three for the game this Sunday against the
Cincinnati Bengals. It's all been about Tua, Tua, Tua's benching,
but I just think that there's more to that. So
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when you hear the news about Tua being benched, what
was your knee jerk reaction to the move from Miami.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, you know, I think coming off of Monday night,
it was a debacle. And I'll be honest when when
I did hear it, I thought, you know, not good
for Tua. And I do think there's a little bit of,
you know, people that never believed in him taking victory
laps or whatever. And I do think it's a great
point by you. We all have to take a step
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back and say, wait a second. Now, this team started
one in six, gave up thirty plus points in each
of its first three losses, and oh, by the way,
was eliminated from the playoffs over the course of these
past couple of days with the loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and so you know, it does feel like Tua has
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become this blanket conversation without the context of they've been
eliminated from the playoffs. And I'm not saying he's having
a season like Josh Allen, like whomever, but he is
not the sole reason that they are in this position,
sitting at six and eight going into the final two
weeks of the regular season. So it has been interesting
I final three weeks of the regular season, I apologize,
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but it has been interesting to see the narrative and
the conversation given the fact that this is an organization
that fired its GM that we thought for a long
time would be firing its head coach. Although I think
we both know where that's going and we could continue
that conversation. I yeah, I just it has become interesting
how it has become a to a conversation as opposed
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to say, a bigger picture Dolphins conversation. Over the last
couple of days.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The Miami Dolphins have basically put this all on to
his shoulders. They got dominated by the Steelers on Monday night.
There was some curious play calling, so much so that
Troy Aikman said it in the broadcast of this team
didn't seem to be in a hurry for anything, and
now they're in a hurry with two minutes left in
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the game that they were completely out of Steelers scoring
on consecutive possessions, racking up adding to their lead over
the Dolphins. So it wasn't like the defense was doing
their part. But this all just piles on Tua And
that's what the Dolphins want you to believe and want
you to see. This is the fact the Dolphins, while
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they may be done with Tua tongue of Ailoa are
also tanking on this season for the final three weeks
of the year. Now, there's only so much you can tank.
They're not going to get the first overall pick. They
have too many wins already for that. But it is
no coincidence, no coincidence whatsoever, that the Miami Dolphins are
making a change at quarterback hours after they were eliminated
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from postseason competition. It was a long shot anyway, Aaron.
But if you go back to Monday night and you
evaluate where the Miami Dolphins were in that game against
the Pittsburgh Steelers, where their playoff hopes were still alive
in Pittsburgh did not have TJ. Watt in the game
that they needed the most to win the season. They
started to a tongue of by Law, and Tua went
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twenty two of twenty eight for two hundred and fifty yards,
two touchdowns and an interception. That's the stat line. He
wasn't fourteen of thirty three for one hundred and eighteen
yards in three interceptions. He's thrown a lot of interceptions.
He's actually leads the league in interceptions with fifteen of
them this season. This season, but if you were to
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bench him and you felt that there was a better
option or something that you wanted to improve on, you
would have done it before this, and they didn't. And
so I think that the narrative that we have heard
all week long, and by the way, Mike McDaniel is
going to stay as head coach. There is no way
he is going to be fired GM Chris Greer was ousted,
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the Dolphins went on a run. The word, the narrative
out of the Dolphins locker room was that the players
like Mike McDaniel. That's what this move is also about.
Mike McDaniel is getting a head start on twenty twenty
six and all of the signs that lead up of
what the Dolphins did with this decision, even to Zach Wilson,
who even told reporters yesterday that he was confused a
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bit by the decision, didn't necessarily understand on why they
were going with Quinn yours instead of him. If Zach
Wilson was your best way to he's been your second
quarterback all season long. Now you're going with a seventh
round pick of a quarterback, and you were sitting there
saying that this our this is our best option. We
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want to look at stuff. No, this is tanking. This
is tanking. If you want to put two on the
shelf because you don't want him to get hurt, that's fine,
but don't put it all on to his shoulders. The
Miami Dolphins are completely covering up what the real story is,
and is that they're not trying to win these final
three games of the season.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
No. One hundred and as far as Zach Wilson's concerned,
I could tell him very easily why they're not going
to him. It's because he probably gives them a better
chance to win than a seventh round quarterback that has
never started a game before. And and yeah, it is.
It is just a very interesting situation. And to your point,
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it is interesting how it has been framed publicly. And
I do wonder if it's you know, Mike, Mike McDaniel
trying to say face a little bit knowing that he's
coming back next year. I don't know exactly why, but
it just has been interesting. And again I go back
to what I said a half a second ago. I
don't know if it's just because Tua has essentially been
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a lightning rod really since draft. I mean Dan, it's
easy to forget, like we know about the tank for
Tua stuff early in his Alabama career he was coming
off major hip surgery, of will he ever play football again?
Was a conversation that people were having, maybe not the
night of the draft, but probably a couple months before
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the draft. And I only bring that up to say
that it does feel like there have been a lot
of people circling the wagons waiting for this moment where
Tua gets benched to say, wow, I've been telling you
since he was at Alabama. Hey, you can't try to
get And it's like one thing doesn't necessarily have anything
to do with the other, but they are being framed
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that way. And so to your point, I think it's
a great question for First of all, to your point,
I think if you watch the game on Monday night
versus the stat line, like you don't realize that the
statlight was actually a lot better than you remember it
from watching the game. But then two, to your point,
if somehow the Dolphins were mathematically still in the playoff hunt,
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still mathematically able to conceivably make the playoffs, he is
probably your starter this week, but he gets benched, and
then again to what you've said a couple times, is
the spotlight instantly turns to blame to a it's all
his fault. You gotta get rid of him. You'll never
get over a certain hump with him as your quarterback.
It has been fascinating to see how all of that
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and all of those narratives have shifted.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He becomes the easy scapegoat and the reason that they're
benching him. And I know that this contract is an
enormous out tross, but this is why you're also not
playing him the final three games. If it really was
a demotion, he would probably be actually the backup quarterback.
Let Quinn you were start, and if something goes wrong
then you have two in. But no, they're gonna put
him at the emergency quarterback in case something does happen
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with Quinn e yours or Quinn yours is awful, then
you got to put a different quarterback in, and you
put Zack Wilson in so then Tua doesn't get hurt
like it's the Dolphins are just piling on. They're completely
piling onto the narrative of everybody now taking their victory lap.
About to your point, Aaron, whether it was in the
twenty twenty draft or whether it was throughout, and I agree, Look,
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Tua maxed out. He maxed out with their playoff game
that they had in Kansas City when it was like
zero degrees. That's as good as it was going to
get for the Dolphins, and it's probably gonna be as
good as it's going to get for Tua as a
starting quarterback. But that doesn't mean Tua deserves to have
this whole entire narrative poured on his shoulder of what
the Dolphins are trying to do for these final three
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games of the season, which I think is kind of
crappy for a team to do, especially if he thought
he was good enough to be your starting quarterback on
Monday when it was a Musk must win game against
an AFC foe. This is what two I had to
say when he talked about the news that he wasn't
going to be starting in Week sixteen.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Naturally, I'd say, I'm disappointed. I think it's normal. It's
a normal human emotion, you know. Outside of that, I
got to do my part. My road here right now
is to help whoever the quarterback is going to be
for this team, to lead this team help in whatever
way I can, you know, to help the team win.
Win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Why do you think this has happened?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I would say the biggest thing, and it's being honest
with myself as well, had been my performance. I haven't
been performing up to the level and the capabilities.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That I have in best. Oh boys, he's covering for him, Aaron.
That's why you say. If I got to say it
and then he's like he's holding it off of it,
I got to be honest with myself. He's lying to himself.
Maybe he hasn't been great, but he doesn't be deserved
to be demoted to third string quarterback for the Miami
Dolphins for the final three games of the year. That
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not only matter when it comes to draft position.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
The other thing I will say, Tua is not afraid
to throw a coach under the bus if he feels
so inclined. Look at his comments on Brian Flores. So
I think there's probably part of it that, Hey, we're
six and eight. You know, we obviously made the playoffs
two years ago. We haven't really built off of that.
But I do think there's something too. You can be
honest and say my play hasn't been good enough, while
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also acknowledging that your play not being good enough is
also not the sole reason that the entire organization is
in the current spot that they're in, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Two also talked about his future in Miami after this season.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Do you think we've played your last time with the Dolphins?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I'm not too sure. I can't predict the future. I can't,
you know, predict any of that. So it is what
it is. And as I said, got to help out
Q Gott, to help out Zach. Whoever the starter is
or is going to do what I can to help
them in that row and help them the.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Team in games. I actually think he's being a team players.
Who the starting quarterback is, it's why, yeah, right, he
said Q first, And if you didn't know at that time,
if they didn't tell you who they were gonna go with.
And I don't know what the timeline of the announcement
into a speaking, but at first he said he didn't
know who it was, and then he mentioned the seventh
round pick as the quarterback instead of the the actual
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number two that's been backing them up the whole time.
He's in on it. He's covering for them. It's too
bad the Dolphins couldn't do the same for Tula.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Now and it is it is disappointing to see the setup,
to see everything and the way that it has it
just I'll say this is I did think overall, he
handled that about as well as you possibly could have.
To your point, is he covering for the franchise a
little bit? Is he maybe defending or protecting some people
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that he shouldn't. Maybe, But at the same time, you know,
I do think that he handled that up about as
well as he could.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
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we have got Week sixteen actions, tonight, Dolphins have the Bengals,
by the way, nice soft launch because the Bengals, we
know how bad their defense is. So Zach Wilson actually
may have success against the Bengals if he were to
play them, and they may actually win the game. So
they're going to Quinn yours and I'm a Quinn yours.
I like Quinn yours erin sure, I do. I just
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don't think that unless you're trying to make this into
some magical brock Purty seventh round pick situation, which it's not.
I just don't under understand the reason going to the
rookie aside from trying to lose games, and Tuus should
know that this was his last game in Miami. Like
that's my only takeaway with all of this is if
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now you're playing against the worst defense in the National
Football League and you can't have too good a quarterback
play if you want to win that game.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
So I'm actually really torn because on the one hand,
I do think we kind of know what Zach Wilson is,
and you know, I think we all know what Zach
Wilson is. And I do think there's something to give
the seventh round picks some game experience to see if
he can elevate and do whatever. But so I think
there's something to give Quinn Ewers the opportunity to genuinely
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see if there is anything there. We know he was
a former five star, you know, maybe there is something there.
The counter to that is also kind of the undertone
of this whole conversation, which is you're trying to get
the worst draft spot as possible, and the upside of
what Zach Wilson could be against the worst defense in
the league, to your point, is probably enough to get
a win. And so I do think there's a small
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element of is there anything here with Quinn Eewers, But
I think it's more about losing games, protecting draft picks,
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
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Speaker 2 (16:16):
A guy who's not going to go on strike because
he's always working in the NFL season. Is Adam Kaplan
joining us now host of the Inside of the Birds podcast,
our NFL inside or find him on Kaplan on ex
at Kaplan NFL also on sports Grid. All right, Adam,
we were just talking about the Tua situation in Miami.
I think that the Dolphins are taking a convenient approach
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to pour everything on Tua when they're trying to lose games.
Why did they turn to Quinn youwrs and not Zach
Wilson in this situation.
Speaker 8 (16:44):
Well, because Quinn Yours was drafted by them, and Quinn
Yours is a guy I know for fact, they had
a higher grade on than he was drafted. And when
you're eliminated, the term is evaluation mode. They're in evaluation mode.
They don't need to valuate Zach Wilson. They know what
he is. And it's actually a very simple decision for them.
They were cut. The way I understand it is they
got progressively fed ups. Not as strong is not a
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fair word. They they got frustrated with with Tua. And
remember that the general manager of drafting was fired, Chris Greer,
and they have no allegiance to the player now. Unfortunately,
because his contract structure, it's gonna be very hard to trade.
It's just they're gonna almost certainly have to eat some
of the money of the fifty four million that's fully
guaranteed next season, and there's a there's some trigger points
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for future seasons, so they're gonna have They're gonna have
to They're gonna basically have to move on from them
one way or the other. The last thing they want
to do is cut them because they're gonna owe them
that money. But sure effect the matter is, guys, it
hasn't worked. And yours is a guy that dropped in
the draft, had a big injury history unfortunately. But I
know for fact that they're very high on this player
and they're gonna want to take a look at him
because there's there's nothing to play for other than evaluation.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, and and I I understand that portion of it,
But what does it say about the NFL? What does
he even say about the Dolphins? Like if Tua was
so bad, why don't they go to Zach Wilson earlier?
While they still like playoff hopes. That's the point that
I that's.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
Harder because they're on a roll because remember they Dan,
they kind of sort of turn their season around, right, Yeah,
I know last week was bad, but they started to
getting you know, they got they won four in a
row with that quarterback and with tuaus So and they
had a bit huge win where they blow out Buffalo,
which was shocking.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, and that's why their messaging Adam doesn't make any
sense like it does but it doesn't. And I just
I feel like they're really doing to a dirty by
piling this all on him. McDaniel's words after the game,
we have to evaluate the Yeah, I was just gonna
say the evaluating of the quarterback portion of it. To me,
it was just it's easy because everybody piles onto it,
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and I just feel that it's unfair to him that
the Dolphins are doing this when they have ulterior motives
in all of this, including to your point, the evaluation period,
which I don't think is lost on anybody, but it's
also then reflects on where where are we in the NFL.
If teams are just throwing away weeks at the end
of the season, and you know in week sixteen, I'd
get week seventeen and week eighteen, but you know, come on,
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I just don't like it.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
I would add to this. So when Mike McDaniel after
the if the press conference, if they lost us the Steelers,
I mean, he was asked the direct question, is too,
is still your starter? And he could have said, yeah,
he's our starter, but he's got a play better we
have when we have to coach better, which is the
typical coach speak. I didn't say that, it's like we're
evaluating everything. I was like, Wow, he didn't back them.
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That's not good. That when you have a chance to
back him after a loss and you don't, you're opening
a major cannon worm. So on your point, Dan, that's
where it really started. But I know behind the scenes
they've been frustrated because he's never really been able to
play consistently good enough football. I know they've been the
playoffs with him but really never advanced at all. And
the GM who decided to take him over Justin Herbert
was fired, and that's you know, that's kind of where
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it is.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Let me ask you a dumb question, Adam. The presumption
then would be that they would draft a quarterback. And
the only reason I ask is because it feels like
there aren't does feel like a great quarterback draft. And
then on top of it, they're obviously not going to
be in position to get the one to two guys
that people believe are difference makers, but they would still,
you know, hope to find the right guy at pick twelve,
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thirteen fourteen wherever they end up drafting.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Well, we don't know about that. We don't know anything
about the draft yet because the terms of who's available
that that'll we won't know until January fifteenth, when is
the that the unaclassman can declare. So that's off the
table for now. What they can do, and everything I've
been told is that mac Jones is going to have
a very big market. There will be multiple teams involved.
His tape was really good filling in now, they could
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take that on your on your point your question, Aaron,
they could take that route, the free agent route, but
the free agent group overall is bad. They could trade
the trade route. Kirk Cousins could still plays look better lately,
but that he's got a big cash number that's unattenable.
You're not going to want to take his contract and
he's over player, and then you look to see who's released,
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trade market or draft as you're pointing out, but we
have to see who comes a well. But first they're
in a tough way, there's no question. It just depends
on what the draft looks like. On the surface in
terms of upper senior class it's bad, but underclassmen it
looks like it's got a chance to be good depending
on who declares.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Adam kaplan our nfl In said, are joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. He's heroin Tores. I'm Dan byer
in for Doug Gottlieb today on Fox Sports Radio. What
about the Joe Burrow situation because he hasn't been helping
himself over the last couple of weeks, frustrated talking about retirement.
So is he frustrated with the Bengals. He's just frustrated
with football. What's the deal with Burrow losing?
Speaker 8 (21:36):
No, he's frustrated with losing. I know I have a
decent insight on what's going on there. He's frustrated that
they can't win. He's never got to say anything about
their defense. Their defense most weeks is non competitive. It
was terrible. It was actually worse last season under lou
Ana Roumo is doing a good job with the Colts.
And this is I remember, you know, I don't know
if I told you this when I talked to Carl Pickens,
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the former Bengals receiver who forfeited part of signing bonus
his last contract because he asked out. He wanted out,
he didn't care. He just couldn't take coming in the
building anymore and would he would end his career with
the Titans. But it's tough man. It's tough when you
know you don't have a chance to win. This is
what Carl told me. It's really hard to go into
work and he's frustrated they're not trading him. Like the
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trade deadline. I mean, they'd be able to trade is
in March, in the middle of March. But Aaron just
talked about it. I mean, it's just we were talking
about this a minute ago. That quarterback for agent class
isn't very good other than mac Jones, there's really nowhere
to go. And what I felt when they resigned to Higgins,
I was really surprised by that. Not that he's a
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good player, but you're putting your resources totally on offense
and the A they don't draft well on defense, well enough,
they've done awfully in free agency on defense, and they
have a bad roster that's on defense. They have a
really bad roster dan and it's hard. It's hard to
get out of that. You can't do it one year,
by the way, it takes some time.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Let me ask you about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes obviously
very unfortunately. Yeah, well I was gonna ask you know,
he he obviously he's a competitor and he's great at
what he does, and he says he wants to be
back week one. But we can see that this Chiefs
team has a lot of work to do. Like one,
I don't even know. I'm not asking to play doctor here,
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but does it make sense to just almost use next
year as kind of a reset year? I know with
Andy Reid you're never going to really bottom out.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
But yeah, they're not going to do that. But yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Go ahead, explain why they wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
They're not They don't think they're in the rebuild. But
I would tell you if everyone I've talked to in
the last two three weeks. I do radio every Thursday
on WHB in Kent City, and you know, we actually
spend twenty minutes on this today. My whole segment was
based on this. What do they do next year? The
roster's not very good. I think that comparatively to what
it's been. Their offensive line was not as good as
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they thought it would be. They spent a lot of
resources on it. It didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
The one thing one of the things I was told
Aaron going to the season, they wanted to bring back
vertical passing game. This is a big thing for them.
Never happened with Hollywood Brown and Worthy who they you know,
they made the trade in last year's draft to gill
get him with Buffalo, believe or not, of all of
all teams to make a trade with, and that has
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not worked out yet. He's been okay, but they're not
getting the explosives with him. Their defense, they lack pass rushers,
really not very good. Their cornerback group other than McDuffie's
really bottom five the roster, guys, I mean, it's just
not good enough. It's a it's a probably a bottom
half of the NFL roster, believe or not, spite them
making the Super Bowl last season, and they also have
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gotten older and Aaron, it's a it's a they don't
run the ball well. By the way, average perplay is
not good. They're they're they're actually outside the top ten.
Season they were in top three, and yards per play
is one of the one of the evaluation numbers that
clubs use. Through six years, there were no less than,
no lower than top three. So everything's dropped off. Guys, Yeah,
this is this is not good. They what they need
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is a major retool. And John Schneider, the GM told
me that one when why had asked him in his
office many years ago. We were sitting down and talking
about football and everything and said, hey, you know, I
don't know you got this is after legion of boom.
You guys in the rebuild. It goes No, we don't
believe that. We believe in retooling the roster while trying
to win, and that's that's what the TEPS are going
to try.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
To do here. Well, Seahawks are playing their biggest game,
I think in since Super Bowl forty nine tonight against
the Rams. Just a side note there, Adam Kaplan joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's going to have
so much to say with the NFC, but I want
to ask you about something that you just said to
Aaron And don't mean to put you on the spot,
but I think it's we look at the NFL when
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you talk about best rosters available, the Eagles were always
the team for best roster in the NFL, the Philadelphia Eagles.
If Philadelphia is the best in the league and best
in the NFC, and it's not the Chiefs, and I
know Buffalo is complaining about their roster and what they
have around Josh Allen in the AFC. Who has the
best roster in that conference?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Oh boy, is the NFC player for the first time? Yeah, well,
I would say Denver. And as a matter of fact,
with Denver, their offensive talent is way better than their
like their numbers would show. And obviously both bo Nicks
has been up and down. Yeah they do. I would
say that without a shadow of doubt. They do. And
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they've got the best and Sean I mean, I mean
when you look at Sean Payton, he's done a phenomenal
job there. Yeah, Denver has the best roster now. And
not only that, I would say in the National Football League,
Green Bay, you take Michael Parsons out there, out of there,
the equation it's completely different. They're not a lock to
make the playoffs. They should make it, but they're not
a lock. Phillies, their roster's not close to last year
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they had. They lost five starters on defense, and it's
although although they've kind of retooled. They had the trade
deadline move and Jalen Phillips has been really good and
they're they're they're now pois probably to make a little
bit of a run here. Their schedules really good, but
it's Sky's I'm telling you, and you're a Seahawks fan,
Dan Ronald doesn't implode, and I know he had four
picks the last time they played the Rams, but they
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should be a little bit better on offense. You'd expect him.
If Sam doesn't implode, they're capable of making run for
the NFC. This is a good year just to get in.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, and tonight is so much implications and it's not
done if the Seahawks were to win. But if the
Rams win this, the Rams are in a really, really
good spot over the final two weeks of the season.
So all right, Adam, we appreciate the time. Can't wait
to talk to you on Sunday when I team up
with Carrie Roads, and we'll talk to you again here
on Fox Pouts right. Thanks, Yes, Adam Kaplan our NFL
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of the day.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Coward, pressured by a double team, now jumps it to Jackson.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Jackson drives the baseline running right hand floater.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's the icing on the game right there, baby. That
was the Memphis Grizzlies topping the Minnesota Timberwolves on the
Grizzlies Radio Network one sixteen to won ten in W
in action last night as the Grizzlies end up getting
the w over the Timberwolves. He is Aaron Torres. I'm
Dan Beyer. I do think tonight's game is the biggest
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for the Seahawks since Russell Wilson threw the interception of
Malcolm Butler on the one yard line. There there were
there were years and even Adams said that John Schneider
and the Seahawks were in this reload mode, but they
were never the contender that they were. There was a
game about six years ago where they played the forty
nine Ers in the final week of the season, and
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if the Seahawks won, the forty nine Ers wouldn't have
been the number one seed, But it doesn't mean that
the Seahawks would have been the number one overall seed.
That would have gone to Green Bay. But if you
win tonight, it really opens things up in the NFC.
Watch the forty nine ers would have life the Seahawks
in forty nine ers are on a have a date
in week eighteen, but a huge, huge game in the
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NFL tonight with the Ramsom Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, all I'll say really quick is knowing this game
was this evening, I was excited to be working with
you today, knowing your history with the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
My only real take.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
So I have been a Sam Donald critic for most
of his career, right up until that Sunday night game
against the Commanders a few weeks ago, when every time
I looked up, guys were running eighty yards down the
sideline untouched, and I was like, this team's awesome. They're
fun to watch. And so I got really into the
Seahawks and started believing in Sam Donald. And then, to
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Adam's point, he had the disastrous game a few weeks
ago at so far, so I'm excited. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Adam brought up Sam Donald's, you know, lack of success
in these super high profile games, even though he has
had a lot of regular season success.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
The last few years.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
So as somebody with kind of no skin in the game,
I'm just excited to watch see if Sam Darnold can
get that pseudo monkey off his back, pick up a
big win, and then to your point, if he does,
everything's on the table, from a number one seed, a
deep playoff runt, all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
He is aeron Torres. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Yeah,
Week sixteen, kicking off tonight in Seattle between these Seahawks
and the Rams.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
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Speaker 2 (30:27):
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Speaker 7 (31:15):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Okay, gang, We're gonna draft teams that you most like
to win the college football Playoff. The number one pick
goes to Dan, followed by Aaron Torres, Iowa, Sam, Isaac
Loewen something or other can't stand that guy, then Jason,
and then back around and with the number one pick
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teams we most like to win the college football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I give you Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well, you know, if I was choosing with my heart,
you know, or I would go. But I will say this,
this pick is up for trade. If someone has a
sure fire number one that they would like to take,
I would offer this up for trade. If anyone is interested.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I'll trade.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Okay, all right, Aaron Torres, you and I will flop
one and two and then maybe nine and ten. Does
that sound good?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I don't think the ten team can win it, so okay,
so it's a good trade for me. Uh, I'll go
to Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Good pick.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, because I'm with you. I think Ohio State, to
their credit, is a year ahead of schedule, first year
starter Jeremiah Smith back whatever.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Georgia.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Not only have they gone through a gauntlet, beat Ole, Miss,
beat Tennessee, et cetera, they're peaking at the right time,
dominating Texas a few weeks ago, dominating Alabama in the
SEC Championship game. I don't know if they will win it,
but I do think to me, I don't feel comfortable
picking anybody else, so I will gladly take that trade
and take Georgia with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, all right, I'm sitting there at number two. I listen,
I could be the wheeler and dealer and continue to
trade check.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Just keep trading him. Is the less sneed of today.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Are you gonna get a first overall pick in next
year's college football?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You got to get something extra thrown in, Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's right. I just don't maybe a tailgate food.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
That's what I would do if I was making a trade.
I'd like throw in a tailgate food at one of
these stadiums.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Like I just feel really good about Notre Dame next year,
So I'm just lining it up for that a futures pick.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You know what, we'll go off the board. Give me
Oregon at two, all right, Yes, getting momentum from a
game on the first weekend and then carrying it through Iowa.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Sam comes next, and again Iowa is not necessarily a
candidate for this game.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Sorry.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
So they'll be taking on Vanderbilt in the relayah Quest
Bowl formerly was it dan the Outback Bowl?
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Yes, so yet another appearance.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
For Kirk Farns the Hawkeyes in the out Back Bowl
now the la Quist Bowl. Anyway, I'm getting off I
digest here. I'm gonna take Texas Tech and they're really, really,
really good defense. Give me Texas Tech Red Raiders.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
So none of y'all picked Indiana and they're the one seed,
all right, what can I say? I'm gonna go with Indiana.
Next two picks belong to Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
So in is something going on here? What's going on?
So the the odds on favorite to win is available
with pick five.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You guys all.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
Avoided Indiana is the shaduor Sanders of this draft.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
It feels dirty, but I guess I'll do Ohio State
since they're the odds on favorite to win. And then
I'm going to go with the team that I'm rooting
for ole Miss. I don't know if you guys heard,
but they lost their their head coach and they gained
a fan and me ole Miss with the six pick.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I wouldn't say they lost their head coach as much
as the head coach lost them. Okay, this is we're
now down to what ten?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Nine, eight?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
We're now in a seven pick? What the heck? I'm
gonna really go outside the box and go Miami of Florida,
like that kind of a sleeper for that role.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
So Sam, you're next.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
Okay, you know what, I'm gonna go with Oklahoma. I'm
gonna go with Oklahoma just because they get to host
this game in Norman. I feel like Alabama's got some
running the ball issues. I'm gonna go with the Sooners.
Give me the Sooners.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
And now, as a result of their stunning trade, they
even scooped WOJE on it with the ninth pick, Dan.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Byer, Okay, so Isac, who was your first pick?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I can't remember? No, My first pick was Indiana?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay? Indiana, all right? Matthew Texas Tech okay? Alabama?
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Alabama, Alabama okay. And with the final pick, Aaron Torres
among those on the board. According to my computer like mind,
we got Texas A and M. James Madison and Tulane.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Well they're at home this weekend. Favored this weekend, I'll
take the Texas A and M.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Maggie's all right, there we have it. These will be
locked in and filed away for New Year's There is
your college football playoff draft.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Game.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
This is game time on the Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I thought maybe you would go number one with Georgia. Aaron.
I'm just glad that you were a wheeler and dealer
that I was able to at least get a little
bit more value. And Sam with the Texas Tech surprised
me a little bit.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
I thought about going with Texas Tech at number two.
If I had stayed in that spot, I don't know
that I would have. I probably would have gone with
J Stew's Ohio State Buck guys, who I know you adore.
But yeah, I Texas Tech's interesting. I think a lot
of people are sleeping on.
Speaker 10 (36:38):
I do think Georgia is the strongest pick because they
got the Alabama monkey off their back because they lost
it home. Then they just walloped him in the championship game.
And I saw a video of like Kirby Smart could
be heard from the parking lots yelling at his team.
They're gonna they're gonna be ferocious during this playoff.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I think that they turned the volume up. Yeah, maybe
a little for that was refect, but yeah, yeah, I
saw that too. I left. At first, I thought the
guy was in traffic, so I thought, like Kirby Smart
was yelling on the phone or something, or like threw
a car. And then I realized, oh, he's sitting outside
the practice facilities and and and chewing someone out. He's
(37:15):
er Torres. I'm dan byer In for Doug Gottlieb. We
throw it back on a Thursday all the way to
this year. That's next
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Doug Gottlieb
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