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On a Thursday edition of the Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Aaron Torres in for Doug as they discuss the Dolphins' decision to bench quarterback Tua Tagovailoa. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words,
and you better be listening to what the Miami Dolphins
are trying to tell you. Welcome in, It is a Thursday.
He is erin Torres. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug.
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How is your Thursday going?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
My Thursday's great? How is your Thursday going?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Dan Buyer?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
So far, so good? And I hope people are probably
tuning in saying, wait a second, where's Doug? We heard
what Doug said last night in Green Bay after his
Phoenix picked up a huge non conference win against U
SEE Santa Barbara. Pretty good win in college basketball, right,
I mean, when you're a mid major you're trying to

(01:14):
make your up, way up through the Horizon League. A
nice win against an eight and three UCSB team, it's
pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Erin Torres, Yes, it was unbelievable win. I know Doug
was a little bit emotional after the game, yes, And
what you know, I'll give you the floor. You know
Doug as well as anybody in this business, and I
know I know Doug will be speaking for himself soon.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
And Doug's going to be in tomorrow, so we all
know the news and we'll let Doug speak for what
Doug has to say and what he said last night.
I don't want to put any words in his mouth.
But after the win, the big win that they got,
Doug made an announcement and he will deal with that tomorrow.
So we're all aware. Doug will be on the Doug
Gottlieb Show tomorrow. You don't have to worry about that.

(01:58):
But it's erin Torres and myself today hanging out here
on Fox Sports Radio. So but a great win for Doug.
Going to focus on basketball. We're going to focus on
this show today and let Doug say everything that he
needs to say and wants to say and deserves to say.
Coming up in tomorrow's show. A lot of people are
talking about the Miami Dolphins speaking of having something to say,

(02:18):
and I think aarin that the message here, the message
is being lost. The message that we have heard out
of Miami this week is that's it for Tula. Tua's
run is over. Told you Tua stinks, Tua was never good.
And I think this message is actually clouding what is

(02:40):
going on in Miami. And this all stems from the
Dolphins and Mike McDaniel announcing that on Tuesday they were
going to evaluate the quarterback position, and then yesterday announcing
that seventh round pick quin you Weers would end up
replacing Tua, with Tua being demoted down to number three
for the game this Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals. It's
all been about Tua Tua to his benching, but I

(03:02):
just think that there's more to that. So when you
hear the news about Tua being benched, what was your
knee jerk reaction, to the move from Miami.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, you know, I think coming off of Monday night,
it was a debacle. And I'll be honest when when
I did hear it, I thought, you know, not good
for Tua. And I do think there's a little bit
of you know, people that never believed in him taking
victory laps or whatever. And I do think it's a
great point by you. We all have to take a

(03:32):
step back and say, wait a second. Now, this team
started one in six, gave up thirty plus points in
each of its first three losses, and oh, by the way,
was eliminated from the playoffs over the course of this
past these past couple of days with the loss to
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and so, you know, it does feel
like Tua has become this blanket conversation without the context

(03:56):
of they've been eliminated from the playoffs. And I'm not
saying he's having a season like Josh Allen, like whomever,
but he is not the sole reason that they are
in this position, sitting at six and eight going into
the final two weeks of the regular season. So it
has been interesting the final three weeks of the regular season.
I apologize, but it has been interesting to see the

(04:17):
narrative and the conversation given the fact that this is
an organization that fired its GM that we thought for
a long time would be firing its head coach. Although
I think we both know where that's going and we
could continue that conversation. I yeah, I just it has
become interesting how it has become a to a conversation
as opposed to say, a bigger picture Dolphins conversation. Over

(04:39):
the last couple of.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Days, the Miami Dolphins have basically put this all on
to his shoulders. They got dominated by the Steelers on
Monday Night. There was some curious play calling, so much
so that Troy Aikman said it in the broadcast of
this team didn't seem to be in a hurry for anything,
and now they're in a hurry with two minutes left

(05:00):
in the game that they were completely out of Steelers
scoring on consecutive possessions, racking up adding to their their
lead over the Dolphins. So it wasn't like the defense
was doing their part. But this all just piles on Tua.
And that's what the Dolphins want you to believe and
want you to see. This is the fact the Dolphins,

(05:21):
while they may be done with Tua. Tongue of Ailoa
are also tanking on this season for the final three
weeks of the year. Now, there's only so much you
can tank. They're not going to get the first overall pick.
They have too many wins already for that. But it
is no coincidence, no coincidence whatsoever, that the Miami Dolphins
are making a change at quarterback hours after they were

(05:42):
eliminated from postseason competition. They had it was a long
shot anyway, Aaron. But if you go back to Monday
night and you evaluate where the Miami Dolphins were in
that game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, where their playoff hopes
were still alive in Pittsburgh did not have TJ Watt
in the game that they needed the most to win
this season. They started to a tongue of eye law

(06:04):
and Tua went twenty two of twenty eight for two
hundred and fifty yards, two touchdowns and an interception. That's
the stat line. He wasn't fourteen to thirty three for
one hundred and eighteen yards in three interceptions. He's thrown
a lot of interceptions. He's actually leads the league in
interceptions with fifteen of them this season this season. But

(06:25):
if you were to bench him and you felt that
there was a better option or something that you wanted
to improve on, you would have done it before this,
and they didn't. And so I think that the narrative
that we have heard all week long, and by the way,
Mike McDaniel is going to stay as head coach. There
is no way he is going to be fired. GM

(06:45):
Chris Greer was ousted, the Dolphins went on a run.
The word, the narrative out of the Dolphins locker room
was that the players like Mike McDaniel. That's what this
move is also about. Mike McDaniel is getting a head
start on twenty twenty six and all of the signs
that lead up of what the Dolphins did with this decision,
even to Zach Wilson, who even told reporters yesterday that

(07:08):
he was confused a bit by the decision, didn't necessarily
understand on why they were going with Quinn Yours instead
of him. If Zach Wilson was your best way to
he's been your second quarterback all season long. Now you're
going with a seventh round pick of a quarterback, and
you were sitting there saying that this is our best option.

(07:31):
We want to look at stuff. No, this is tanking.
This is tanking. If you want to put two on
the shelf because you don't want him to get hurt,
that's fine, but don't put it all on to his shoulders.
The Miami Dolphins are completely covering up what the real
story is, and is that they're not trying to win
these final three games of the season.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
No one.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
And as far as Zach Wilson's concerned, I could tell
him very easily why they're not going to him. It's
because he probably gives them a better chance to win
than a seventh round quarterback that has never started a
game before. And and yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
It is.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
It is just a very interesting situation. And to your point,
it is interesting how it has been framed publicly. And
I do wonder if it's you know, Mike, Mike McDaniel
trying to say face a little bit knowing that he's
coming back next year. I don't know exactly why, but
it just has been interesting. And again I go back
to what I said a half a second ago. I

(08:23):
don't know if it's just because Tua has essentially been
a lightning rod really since draft. I mean, Dan, it's
easy to forget, like we know about the tank for
Tua stuff early in his Alabama career he was coming
off major hip surgery of will he ever play football again?
Was a conversation that people were having, maybe not the

(08:45):
night of the draft, but probably a couple months before
the draft. And I only bring that up to say
that it does feel like there have been a lot
of people circling the wagons waiting for this moment where
Tua gets benched to say, oh, I've been telling you
since he was at Alabama. Hey, you can't try to
get And it's like one thing doesn't necessarily have anything

(09:07):
to do with the other, but they are being framed
that way. And so to your point, I think it's
a great question for First of all, to your point,
I think if you watch the game on Monday night
versus the stat line, like you don't realize that the
statlight was actually a lot better than you remember it
from watching the game. But then two, to your point,
if somehow the Dolphins were mathematically still in a in

(09:29):
the playoff hunt, still mathematically able to conceivably make the playoffs,
he is probably your starter this week. But he gets benched,
and then again to what you've said a couple times,
is the spotlight instantly turns to blame to a it's
all his fault. You gotta get rid of him. You'll
never get over a certain hump with him as your quarterback.

(09:49):
It has been fascinating to see how all of that
and all of those narratives have shifted.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
He becomes the easy scapegoat and the reason that they're
benching him. And I know that this contract is an
enormous albatross, but this is why you're also not playing
him the final three games. If it really was a demotion,
he would probably be actually the backup quarterback. Let Quinn
you were start, and if something goes wrong then you
have two in. But no, they're gonna put him at

(10:14):
the emergency quarterback in case something does happen with Quinn
Ewers or Quinn e Yours is awful, then you got
to put a different quarterback in, and you put Zach
Wilson in so then Tua doesn't get hurt. Like it's
the Dolphins are just piling on. They're completely piling onto
the narrative of everybody now taking their victory lap. About
to your point, Aaron, whether it was in the twenty
twenty draft or whether it was throughout, and I agree, Look,

(10:37):
Tua maxed out. He maxed out with their playoff game
that they had in Kansas City when it was like
zero degrees. That's as good as it was going to
get for the Dolphins, and it's probably gonna be as
good as it's gonna get for Tua as a starting quarterback.
But that doesn't mean Tua deserves to have this whole
entire narrative poured on his shoulder of what the Dolphins
are trying to do for these final three games of

(10:58):
the season, which I think is kind of crap for
a team to do, especially if you thought he was
good enough to be your starting quarterback on Monday when
it was a musk him must win game against an
AFC foe. This is what two I had to say
when he talked about the news that he wasn't going
to be starting in Week sixteen.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Naturally, i'd say, I'm disappointed. I think it's normal. It's
a normal human emotion, you know. Outside of that, I
got to do my part. My road here right now
is to help whoever the quarterback is going to be
for this team, to lead this team, can help in
whatever way I can, you know, to help the team win,
win this game on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Why do you think this has happened?

Speaker 7 (11:37):
I would say the biggest thing, and it's being honest
with myself as well, had been my performance. I haven't
been performing up to the level and the capabilities that
I have in best.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Oh boy, he's covering for him, Aaron. That's why you say,
if I got to say it and then he's like
he's holding it off of it, I got to be
honest with myself. He's lying to himself. Maybe he hasn't
been great, but it doesn't be deserved to be demoted
to third string quarterback for the Miami Dolphins for the
final three games of the year. That not only matter
when it comes to draft position.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
The other thing I will say, Tua is not afraid
to throw a coach under the bus if he feels
so inclined. Look at his comments on Brian Flores. So
I think there's probably part of it that, Hey, we're
six and eight. You know, we obviously made the playoffs
two years ago. We haven't really built off of that.
But I do think there's something too. You can be
honest and say my play hasn't been good enough, while

(12:31):
also acknowledging that your play not being good enough is
also not the sole reason that the entire organization is
in the current spot that they're in, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Two also talked about his future in Miami after this season.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
Do you think we've played your last time with the Dolphins?
I'm not too sure. I can't predict the future. I can't,
you know, predict any of that. So it is what
it is. And as I said, got to help out Q,
gotta help out Zach. Whoever the starter is or is
going to be, do what I can to help them
in that row and helping the.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Team with games. I actually think he's being a team players.
Who the starting quarterback is, it's why? Yeah, right, he
said Q first, And if you didn't know at that time,
if they didn't tell you who they were going to
go with, and I don't know what the timeline of
the announcement into a speaking but at first he said
he didn't know who it was, and then he mentioned
the seventh round pick as the quarterback instead of the

(13:27):
the actual number two that's been backing them up the
whole time. He's in on it. He's covering for them.
It's too bad the Dolphins couldn't do the same for Tula.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Now and it is it is disappointing to see the setup,
to see everything and the way that it has this
it just I'll say this is I did think overall
he handled that about as well as you possibly could have.
To your point, is he covering for the franchise a
little bit? Is he uh, maybe defending or or protecting

(13:55):
some people that he shouldn't. Maybe, But at the same time,
you know, I do think that he handled that about
as well as he could.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
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(14:26):
the Bengals. By the way, nice soft launch because the Bengals,
we know how bad their defense is. So Zach Wilson
actually may have success against the Bengals if he were
to play them, and they may actually win the game.
So they're going to Quinn yours and I'm a Quinn Yours.
I like quin yours erin sure, I do. I just
don't think that unless you're trying to make this into

(14:48):
some magical brock Purty seventh round pick situation, which it's not.
I just don't under understand the reason going to the rookie,
aside from trying to lose games, and Tous should know
the this was his last game in Miami likes. That's
my only takeaway with all of this is if now
you're playing against the worst defense in the National Football

(15:09):
League and you can't have too good a quarterback play
if you want to win that game.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
So I'm actually really torn because on the one hand,
I do think we kind of know what Zach Wilson is,
and you know, I think we all know what Zach
Wilson is. And I do think there's something to give
the seventh round picks some game experience to see if
he can elevate and do whatever. But so I think
there's something to give Quinn ewers the opportunity to genuinely

(15:35):
see if there is anything there. We know he was
a former five star, you know, maybe maybe there is
something there. The counter to that is also kind of
the undertone of this whole conversation, which is you're trying
to get the worst draft spot as possible, and the
upside of what Zach Wilson could be against the worst
defense in the league, to your point, is probably enough
to get a win. And so I do think there's

(15:58):
a small element of is there anything here with quinnviewers,
but I think it's more about losing games, protecting draft picks,
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
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Speaker 2 (16:14):
Welcome man on this Thursday. It is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Don't worry. Doug's gonna be here tomorrow. Is gonna say
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(16:34):
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(16:58):
good game with a lot of stakes. And for the Rams,
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Something We'll get into it in about twenty minutes or so.
But Aaron, we are just two weeks away from New
Year's Day, and not only does that mean the quarterfinals
of the College Football Playoff, but it also means a
brand new year. So for the final time this year,

(17:23):
let's throw it back.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Now, Erin. I think you're going to be here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Christmas Day, but you probably
won't be doing this. I hand it over to Jason Stewart.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Thank you, Dan. I'll take it from here, Thank God,
I'll take it from here. Twenty twenty five. Let's look
all the way back. I want each of you to
present on this program the story that most got your attention.
I need one store. Don't sam it up and give
me more than one. I need one story, and let's

(18:04):
dig deep down into it and I will start twenty
twenty five. If you think about the year, the most
significant thing that happened in our space talk space was
the trade of Luka Doncic, and I say that what
made it so extraordinary is because when Shams Shams tweeted

(18:31):
out the news, it was late on a Saturday night,
Aaron tors Is probably on the air, probably on the air,
and insiders in sports thought it was a farcical tweet,
like somebody hacked his account. In this day and age,
for a trade of that size to be pulled off

(18:52):
seemingly with zero leaks, it was just so unusual. And
then the you know, the downstream impact of that since then,
that has led to the Nico Harrison thanging. I think
the most significant occurrence, if not the decade, if we
want to expand this out four or five years, the
Luca Doncis trade. Howen went down? You guys have any

(19:16):
thoughts on any personal experience of that one?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Can I can I jump in and just tell you
what it was like in this building.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I want to know that has.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
So keep in mind. So I host eight to eleven.
It was about nine thirty Eastern. Jason Martin, who's my
radio partner, is not on social media. He does not
use social media, like he's decided that's not part of
his life anymore. So I see it, I say, I
forget who was even producing me at that time. Maybe

(19:46):
it was Bri, it was I don't know if it
was Bri. And I said, Bri, can you please get
with Steve Disager and have him check shams Charania's account.
So do Seger checks it, and a media goes live
with Shamshranias saying this, and I was like, I wouldn't
have even done that. Do it live, and we kept

(20:07):
refraining from saying this is a news story. We were
saying this is on Shamscherania's account until on ESPN they
were citing Schams Trani, which was like a twenty minute window.
We were all like, listen, there is a report on
Shams Trania's Twitter page. We don't know if it's real
or not that Luka Doncic has been traded to the

(20:29):
Los Angeles Lakers, and we were looking for any sort
of confirmation and to your point, and I hope this
doesn't sound like I'm throwing this individual under the buzz
because I love him to death. I would have him
on any show I ever hosted. We had Mark Medina
on later that night, who was as plugged in the
NBA as anybody, and I said, was this something that
was even whispered behind the scenes? And he said, Aaron,

(20:49):
you know, I don't want to speak for Mark, but
he said, no one that in my circles had any
idea that this was even a possibility. So it took
us twenty minutes of us just basically saying, Shams is
tweeting this, but we don't know if it's true, before
we actually went on air saying Luka Doncic has been
traded for Anthony Davis. It was insane.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It was a remember where you were a moment, and
I remember I was sitting in my recliner and it
popped up. I actually think I was. I may have
been on Twitter. I just know I was on the
recliner and then I remember staring at the tweet reading
Luka Doncic to the Lakers, and I just as someone

(21:30):
who is not a Lakers fan, I've never cheered for
the Lakers, and I liked Luca. It was it was disheartening.
And then when you take took a step back and
examined the whole trade and the people trying to convince
you that this was a win for the Mavericks, what
are we talking about? And then the only thing to

(21:51):
save them ended up being the lottery with Cooper Flag.
But where you look at where they are this year
and now you're gonna You're banking on an injured Kyrie
to come back, and you're trying to get Anthony Davis
out of town, like, uh it is? I I agree
with Jason that I think it is the top story.
I think there's there's other good ones, but for the
most shocking, for the ramifications for what we still talk

(22:14):
about to this day, and giving the Lakers the superstar
that they needed to replace Lebron James, which is a
whole other angle. I think it's a very very good
nominee if there are even our other nominees for Story
of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, and two more things on that note, the Lakers
had played that night against the Knicks, so that was
another crazy part because we were talking about the game,
and then there was something else I can't remember, but
it was just in Sandy Dan, do you want to
share yours next time? I stole the mic just talking
about Jay SEUs.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
No, that's that's I think that Jason's is a really
good point to that's no apologies, no apologies needed. So
there there was. I'll just say this, Rory McElroy winning
the Masters was a story that was fourteen years in
the making and some may say ten years in the making.
But Rory even said it himself that going back to

(23:07):
when in twenty eleven when he blew the lead that
he had on the Sunday at Augusta National, that this
just wasn't about completing the career Grand Slam. This was
more than that, and I took a still shot of it.
I still actually have the final round of the Masters
on my DVR, and I've got another, I think like

(23:29):
CBS two Sports Central episode after because remember, Rory went
into a playoff with Justin Rose, and Justin Rose has
been close multiple times at Augusta is only one one major,
So you have these two guys who you're actually both
rooting for, but Honestly, Rory has been such the story
in golf for so long that him finally breaking through

(23:52):
and winning a Green jacket, to me, is the story
that stood out to me in twenty twenty five, on
a year where Scotti Scheffler won two of the four majors,
It's Rory finally winning out Augusta and winning the Green jacket.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
And you know that it was one of those things
in sports that resonated everywhere, because I, who's not a
huge golf guy, obviously follow the majors. But everybody had
an opinion on this, and you know, like all the
traditional boot check marks on Twitter had their thoughts and
it was it ran ninety nine percent positive, like everyone

(24:29):
was just rooting for Rory. And I remember thinking, as
probably one of the only people out there, I was
actually rooting for Justin Rose that day. I for two reasons.
Justin Rose had played well, and he was a great
quote too. Through the entire weekend. I thought he handled
himself so well. And then I root for prolonged agony.

(24:50):
And this speaks to my me being an evil person.
I guess I was rooting for a prolonged agony and
that it's a much better story that Rory never wins
some Masters than him just kind of winning one eventually,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Totally does I think that. I think that Phil Mickelson
at the US Open, it just became it just like,
stop stop doing this to us, stop doing this to
me anymore. And I wondered if it was going to
get to that point with Rory, of him and then
him finally breaking through. I still have the string the
screen grabs that I took during the Masters on my

(25:30):
phone where they're showing him on the green and it
says for career Grand Slam. Like the putt that he's
about to make. It's not like four birdie for par
and it's for the career Grand Slam. And it's one
of the things that I'll I'll remember for a long
long time. That's why it stands out so much in

(25:50):
twenty twenty five, Aaron, what stands out for you?

Speaker 6 (25:54):
All Right?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
So I won't do the sam There's one that I
was there for, which was Houston Duke College basketball is
one of the craziest games I've ever been a part of.
But for the sake of this conversation, I will go
with what I deem to be The second craziest story
of twenty twenty five behind Luka Doncic's trade, and that
is Shador Sanders draft fall. You talk about a three

(26:17):
day where were you? And correct me if I'm wrong, guys,
But the conversation going into the draft was that the
floor for Shador Sanders was twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It was like, if all hell breaks loose, the Steelers

(26:38):
need a quarterback, they're gonna take them. And so to
go through the first round, he goes undrafted. Spend all
day Thur Friday talking about what's gonna happen on Friday
with Shador, only for him to go undrafted into Saturday
and just to really have no context in the moment
as to what was going on. It was pretty surreal

(27:01):
to see that happen for a guy that for most
of the draft process felt like he probably wasn't going
to be the first quarterback off the board, but was
going in the top ten.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Do you agree?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I agree? I agree. We're still talking about it. It
still will be a conversation. That's a very that by
the way, it didn't even now that it didn't register,
I just I didn't think of it and I'm I'm
I wish I did. It's a really good nominee.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
But you're week with it. We were talking early in
the week, how there's a there's still ramifications today, and
I think one of the like sad consequences of it
is that cam Ward never got his love before the draft,
after the draft, and still to this day, cam Ward
is not getting any attention. It's Chaduur is sucking up

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the oxygen in this rookie class of quarterbacks. It's it
was incredible.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
We even had a Chaduur moment during game time for
I feel a draft when the Indiana Hoosiers fell to
who drafted Isaac at what number five?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
So yeah, there you go. It'll be a reference point
for history.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
For the end of time. Oh, that's the same.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
It was very much the same.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
It was just.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
It was two full days of like what are we
all missing? Cause again, the floor was okay, no matter
what happens, the Steelers will be taking him. And I
believe that the pick was twenty one, and I think
there was thought could he go to New Orleans? Could
he go to the Browns? And number three, number four
whatever they were drafting, And so all night Thursday was
like what happened, But the presumption was I think the

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presumption was he's gonna be like the first guy drafted
on Friday. Somebody's gonna trade up for him. Nobody drafts
some Thursday or Friday. Again, I'm stealing the mic, or
nobody drafts some Friday all day in the second and
third round. But just surreal in the moment and to
your guys point ramifications throughout.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just want to before we get to Sam and Isaac,
it was a boring draft heading into it. Yep, it
really was, and it was the only story of the draft,
Like there were there were just weren't really many storylines
to follow outside of him. And then he carried the
entire weekend. Poor Cam word, Isaac, Sam, Isaac, what do

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you got?

Speaker 9 (29:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with October twenty third, and that
was the morning where the FEDS crashed in and took
into custody a sitting NBA head coach in shaunby Phillips. Yeah,
and Terry Rosier of the Miami Heat. You know, I think,

(29:38):
in of itself as individual cases, it was enormous news,
but I think it was sort of a signature moment
in what the future potential has in store in the
relationship between sports and gambling. And I think it's gonna
go either one of two ways. Either there's going to

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be an even bigger scandal down the road with people
getting busted for directly influencing sporting events a llah the
Black Sox scandal in nineteen nineteen. Or and I hope
this is the case, but I don't necessarily think it's
going to be the case. It'll wise up people in sports,
players and coaches to not get involved in gambling because

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you know you're gonna get busted. I doubt it's going
to be that, but I at least hope it's going
to be that. But I think that was really a
red letter day October twenty third.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Great So when the Jontay Porter stuff came out last year,
it was like, okay, whatever. When I saw Terry Rosier
fake like he was he was faking the injury, like
you could see him on the bench pretending to rub
his calf in ankle from the game that he ended
up you know, ducking out of in twenty twenty three.

(30:54):
To see the video of how he was trying. When
have you ever seen an injured NBA player rubbed their
injury during a game right like never. They're either in
the locker room, they're getting checked out by trainers, their
foot's isolated, it's wrapped up. But he was trying to
sell it so much that he was pretending to tend

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to his own ankle on the bench of the game
that he tried to fix for his friends.

Speaker 9 (31:20):
Looked like my third grader when he was trying to
get out of school. My tummy hurts, my throat hurts.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I think that's funny that Isaac brings that up, because
I think I have mixed feelings on that being a
memorable story in that I don't think it was memorable enough.
In other words, it was a part the news cycle.
It was definitely a part of our world. But I
think because everyone is so bought and sold by gambling companies,
I don't think enough attention has been I think a

(31:48):
lot of people wanted to go away. I think, you know,
Sports Center would be like, yeah, no update on the
Terry Rogier situation. This segment brought to you by FanDuel.

Speaker 9 (31:57):
And that literally happened while they were discussing the story
that the lower third graphic was a gambling advertisement.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
It did happen. I mean, to your point, Jay stew
sitting NBA head coach giving out information on players who
are not gonna play is a huge deal. And I
still don't think And by the way, it was also
Chauncey Billups, mister big shot, like wholesome, you know, nicest
literally has a one hundred percent approval rating. Oh yeah,

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he's playing in underground gambling rings with secret card stashes.
And I agree with you. I actually felt like it
wasn't discussed enough, not to say that it wasn't memorable,
but just not discussed enough.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So y, I'll say it.

Speaker 8 (32:38):
Let's go back to February ninth of this year. It
maybe is true that the Philadelphia Eagles did kill the
Kansas City Chiefs. Now, I know a lot of things
played into the Chief's demise, aging veterans, you know, maybe
not enough skill position players of quality. But that forty
to twenty two route by the Eagles, which nobody saw coming,

(32:59):
it just it. It took the Chiefs down another level
and it signified that the Chiefs were just not the
same team that they were in the past, you know,
seven to ten years. It's the peak of the Chiefs.
You were not seeing them get routed like that, You
just weren't. You were seeing them get getting a lot
of wins in close one possession games, the ball bouncing
their way. But today, but that day, that Sunday in February,

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the Eagles just took it all out on the Chiefs.
And this year the rest of the ball of yarn
just completely unwound it and it was capped by you know,
Patrick Mahomes's season ending injury just this past Sunday. So
perhaps the demise of the Chiefs started all the way
back at Super Bowl fifty nine in February, and we're

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seeing them completely bottom out right now.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I think it was a preview of the symptoms that
would come this year. I totally agree. That's a good
way to put it.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Question for you guys, what do you think resonated more
in this country from February ninth, the Eagles dismantling of
the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl or the kenro
Guemar performance.

Speaker 8 (34:05):
That's actually a good question, because his performance did make
a lot of a lot of waves.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I think now the game does, but the performance had
a lot more in the short term afterwards, which I
did not expect. But now as we look at the Chiefs,
as we look at heck even the Eagles, but really
from the Chiefs, I think the game has more of
the lasting of it.

Speaker 9 (34:27):
I think the Janet Jackson justin Timberlake might have had
a different answer back in the day, even though that
was a game that was decided at a last second
field goal.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
I don't remember that part. Yeah, that last part I
don't remember.

Speaker 9 (34:39):
YouTube and off company time.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I do know the Janet Jackson changed the industry. So,
speaking of music fellas, this song really took off. And
here's an interesting tidbit that I just read on Wikipedia.
There is a hip hop artist named what's her name
Chappelle ron Apple ron chaperone.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
Isn't that where North Carolina?

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Tarios?

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Nevermind? She did you call her hip hop artist?

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
It was?

Speaker 4 (35:07):
She a pop song pop singer? Yeah, okay, cool. I
don't think she raps. I obviously know a lot about this.
And she did a song back in twenty twenty and
it kind of went it kind of went nowhere, and
then she performed it at the Grammys this year, and
then it just became the biggest song of twenty twenty five.
And it goes something like this. Pink Pony Club was

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at the top of the charts for sixteen weeks of
twenty twenty five. I think each of our ages takes
us out of the demographic of the people that loved
this song, but I could be wrong. Dan Byer always
surprises me with his music tastes. Did anybody here have
an experience with Pink Pony Club this year?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I did.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
It started out thirty seconds ago.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I I did not know this song when it came out,
but through whether it be you know whatever, how it
became popular. I had heard the song, my wife knew
the song. I remember most about those and I'm using
air quotes here. The journalists that were on a red
carpet and they were talking to Babyface and one of

(36:17):
the girls completely just interrupted the interview and was like,
oh my gosh, just chapel erone, get Chapel roone. And
Babyface was totally disrespected from this, and these idiot reporters
completely disrespected him. Later I had to apologize for it,
but I'm like, really, you're gonna diss Babyface for Chapel Roone.

(36:39):
It just didn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
This song is about as memorable to me as Chaulnsey
Phillips getting arrested on a Tuesday in October.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
So I do know it was a big song because
during the Stanley Cup playoffs or maybe it was the
Stanley Cup Finals, the song was brought up by the
panelists between periods, like Wayne Gretzky was there and then
the three or four other guys with him, someone brought
up the song, and I'm like, Okay, I know this
is a big song because it has pervaded the panel

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of NHL talking heads.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's how big it is.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
It was very popular.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Now, I don't think there. I don't think that there
is a movie person in this group besides Sam and I.
So I'm going to skip that and go right to
what the the largest or the most binged TV series
was of the year. And you guys tell me if
any of these resonate with you. Okay, White Lotus, I

(37:36):
think it was his third season of White Lotus, second
season of Severance that hit really big. A show called
The Pit on Max the former lead and er is
one that I forget his name, something Noah Noah Wiley
maybe or something like that Alien Alien Earth and Squid

(38:01):
Game the second season. Do you guys remember any of those?
Did you have? We all binge those?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'm an over on those shows.

Speaker 8 (38:09):
Actually i'm too so wow ouch. I was told White
Lotus was so good.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
So I started from the beginning, and about one and
a half episodes in of season one, I was like,
I'm out. This is totally uninteresting.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
It takes a lot of patience. It's slow moving. Yeah,
I can see where you could do that. Darn. So
you guys didn't watch TV or go to the movies.
So we we just did a lot of sports and
didn't listen to uh to Pink? Was that Pink? Babylon?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Was that all? I don't want to speak for Isaac,
and I know I can't speak for Aaron, and.

Speaker 9 (38:40):
Actually, you know what, you can't speak for me in
this case. I trust you.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Since having a child, in an Isaac's case children, my
TV viewing hierarchy is now really only sports. Like if
I'm not watching sports for a game or a pregame
or a draft, I am at the mercy of the family.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
He nailed it.

Speaker 9 (39:07):
Unless Peppa Peg and Blippy qualify there.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, right, same thing.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Blue.

Speaker 8 (39:13):
It's either blue or the blue Jays, you know, you know,
whatever might be Toronto Bluies, Toronto Bluies. Sure, it really has,
and I was not. I knew that there would be adjustments.
I knew that there would be school events on nights
of their sporting events, but I did not realize on
how much it would take a part of TV viewing,

(39:37):
of sitting back and catching up on a show or
watching a show, or to be able to follow along
with that binging show. It is something that truly truly missed.
I've said it on this show. The only show that
me and my wife watch at its normal time is Survivor.
Last night was a finale and she crashed out at
like eight thirty, so thirty minutes in, that's that's where

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we were.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
It's tough, crashed out.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
Nice use of twenty twenty five gen Z Lingo.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Man, it was cinema. It was true and that's don't
call it a throwback.

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Speaker 2 (40:27):
A guy who's not going to go on strike because
he's always working in the NFL season. Is Adam Kaplan
joining us now host of the Inside the Birds podcast,
our NFL Inside or find him on Kaplan on ex
at Kaplin NFL also on Sports Credit. All Right, Adam,
we were just talking about the Tua situation in Miami.
I think that the Dolphins are taking a convenient approach

(40:49):
to pour everything on Tua when they're trying to lose games.
Why did they turn to Quin Yours and not Zach
Wilson in this situation.

Speaker 10 (40:56):
Well, because Quinn Yours was drafted by them, and Quinn
Yours is a guy I know for fact they had
a higher grade on than he was drafted. And when
you're eliminated, the term is evaluation mode. They're an evaluation
mode that they don't need to valuate Zach Wilson.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
They know what he is.

Speaker 10 (41:08):
And it's actually a very simple decision for them that
they were cut.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
The way I.

Speaker 10 (41:13):
Understand it is they got progressively fed ups. Not a
straw is not a fair word. They they got frustrated
with with Toua. And remember that the general manager drafting
was fired, Chris Greer, and they have no allegiance to
the player now. Unfortunately, because his contract structure it's gonna
be very hard to trade. It's just they're gonna almost

(41:33):
certainly have to eat some of the money of the
the fifty four million that's fully guaranteed next season, and
there's a there's some trigger points for future seasons, so
they're gonna have They're gonna have to They're gonna basically
have to move on from them one way or the other.
The last thing they want to do is cut them
because they're gonna own that money. But sure, if fact
the matter is, guys, it hasn't worked, and yours is
a guy that dropped in the draft, had a big

(41:53):
injury history unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
But I know for a fact that they're.

Speaker 10 (41:56):
Very high on this player and they're gonna want to
take a look at him because there's there's nothing to
play for other than evaluation.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, and I understand that portion of it, But what
does it say about the NFL? What does they even
say about the Dolphins? Like if Tua was so bad,
why don't they go to Zach Wilson earlier while they
still had like playoff hopes. That's the point that I that's.

Speaker 10 (42:14):
Harder because they're on a roll because remember they Dan
they kind of sort of turn their season around, right, Yeah,
I know last week was bad, but they started to
getting you know, they got they won four in a
row with that quarterback and with tuas So and they
had a bit huge win where they blow out Buffalo,
which was shocking.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, and that's why their messaging Adam doesn't make any
sense like it does, but it doesn't. And I just
I feel like they're really doing to a dirty by
piling this all on him. McDaniel's words after the game,
we have to evaluate the courterd Yeah, I was just
gonna say the evaluating of the quarterback portion of it.
To me, it was just it's easy because everybody piles

(42:53):
onto it. And I just feel that it's unfair to
him that the Dolphins are doing this when they have
ulterior motives in all of this, including to your point
the evaluation period, which I don't think is lost on anybody.
But it's also then reflects on where are we in
the NFL. If teams are just throwing away weeks at
the end of the season and you know in week sixteen,
like I'd get Week seventeen and week eighteen, but you know,

(43:14):
come on, I just don't like it.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
I would add to this. So when Mike McDaniel after the.

Speaker 10 (43:22):
If the press conference if they lost the Steelers, I mean,
he was asked the direct question.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
Is too, is still your starter?

Speaker 10 (43:30):
And he could have said, yeah, he's our starter, but
he's got a play better we have when we have
to coach better, which is the typical coach speak. He
didn't say that. It's like we're evaluating everything. I was like, Wow,
he didn't back him. That's not good. That when you
have a chance to back him after a loss and
you don't, you're opening a major cannon worm. So on
your point, Dan, that's where it really started. But I
know behind the scenes they've been frustrated because he's never

(43:51):
really been able to play consistently good enough football. I
know they've been in the playoffs with him but really
never advanced at all. And the GM who decided to
take him over justin Herbert was fine.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
And that's you know, that's kind of where it is.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Let me ask you a dumb question, Adam. The presumption
then would be that they would draft a quarterback. And
the only reason I ask is because it feels like
there aren't. It does feel like a great quarterback draft.
And then on top of it, they're obviously not going
to be in position to get the one to two
guys that people believe are difference makers. But they would still,
you know, hope to find the right guy at pick twelve,

(44:23):
thirteen fourteen, wherever they end up drafting.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
Well, we don't know about that.

Speaker 10 (44:27):
We don't know anything about the draft yet because the
terms of who's available that that'll we won't know until
January fifteenth, when is the the unaclassman can declare. So
that's off the table for now. What they can do,
and everything I've been told is that mac Jones is
going to have a very big market. There'll be multiple
teams involved. He his tape was really good filling in now.

(44:47):
They could take that on your on your point your question, Aaron,
they could take that route, the free agent route, but
the free agent group overall is bad. They could trade
the trade route. Kirk Cousins could still plays look better lately,
but that he's got to big cash number that's unattenable.
You're not gonna want to take his contract and he's overplayer,
and then you look to see who's released trademarket or

(45:09):
draft as you're pointing out, But we have to see
who comes available first. They're in a tough way, there's
no question. It just depends on what the draft looks like.
On the surface of terms of upper senior class, it's bad,
but underclassmen it looks like it's got a chance to
be good depending on who declares.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Adam Kaplan our NFL in sid are joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. He's here in Torres. I'm Dan
Byer in for Doug Gottlieb today on Fox Sports Radio.
What about the Joe Burrow situation because he hasn't been
helping himself over the last couple of year. He's frustrated
talking about retirement. So is he frustrated with the Bengals.
He's just frustrated with football. What's the deal.

Speaker 10 (45:46):
With Burrow losing? No, he's frustrated with losing. I know
I have a decent insight on what's going on there.
He's frustrated that they can't win. He's never going to
say anything about their defense. Their defense most weeks is
non competitive.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
It was terrible.

Speaker 10 (46:01):
It was actually worse last season under lou Ana Roumos
doing a good job with the Colts. And this is
I remember, you know, I don't know if I told
you this when I talked to Carl Pickens, the former
Bengals receiver who forfeited part of his signing bonus his
last contract because he asked out, he wanted out, he
didn't care. He just couldn't take coming in the building anymore,
and he would he would end his career with the Titans.
But it's tough, man. It's tough when you know you

(46:22):
don't have a chance to win. This is what Carl
told me. It's really hard to go into work and
he's frustrated they're not trading him. Like the trade deadline.
I mean they'd be able to trade is in March,
in the middle of March. But Aaron just talked about it.
I mean, it's just we were talking about this a
minute ago. That quarterback fore agent class isn't very good.
Other than Mac Jones, there's really nowhere to go. And

(46:45):
what I felt when they resigned to Higgins, I was
really surprised by that. Not that he's a good player,
but you're putting a resources totally on offense and the
a they don't draft well on defense well enough, they've
done awfully in free agency and on defense, and they
have a bad roster. That's on defense. They have a
really bad roster Dan and it's hard. It's hard to

(47:06):
get out of that, and you can't do it one year,
by the way, it takes some time.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Let me ask you about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes obviously
very unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, well I was gonna.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Ask you know, he he obviously he's a competitor and
he's great at what he does, and he says he
wants to be back week one. But we can see
that this Chiefs team has a lot of work to do.
Like one, I don't even know. I'm not asking any
play doctor here, but does it make sense to just
almost use next year as kind of a reset year?

(47:35):
I know, with Andy Reid you're never gonna really bottom out.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
But yeah, they're not gonna do that. But yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Go ahead explain why they wouldn't.

Speaker 10 (47:42):
They're not they don't think they're in the rebuild. But
I would tell you if everyone I've talked.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
To in the last two three weeks.

Speaker 10 (47:48):
I do radio every Thursday on WHB in Kent City,
and you know, we actually spend twenty minutes on this today.
My whole segment was based on this, what do they
do next year. The roster's not very good, I think
comparatively to what it's been. Their offensive line was not
as good as they thought it would be. They spent
a lot of resources on it. It didn't work out.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (48:08):
The one thing, one of the things I was told
Aaron going to the season, they wanted to bring back
vertical passing game.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
This is a big thing for them.

Speaker 10 (48:16):
Never happened with Hollywood Brown and Worthy who they you know,
they made the trade in last year's draft to gill
get him with Buffalo, believe or not, of all of
all teams to make a trade with and that has
not worked out yet. He's been okay, but they're not
getting the explosives with him. Their defense they lack pass rushers,
really not very good. Their cornerback group other than McDuffie's

(48:40):
really bottom five. The roster guys, I mean, it's just
not good enough. It's a it's a probably a bottom
half of the NFL roster, believe it or not, despite
them making the super Bowl last season, and they also
have gotten older, and Aaron, it's a it's a. They
don't run the ball well, by the way, average per
play is not good. They're they're they're actually outside the
top ten. The season they were in top three, and

(49:01):
yards per play is one of the one of the
evaluation numbers at the clubs used through six years there
were no less, no lower than top three. So everything's
dropped off. Guys, Yeah, this is this is not good.
They what they need is a major retool. And John
Schneider the GM told me that one when why had
asked him in his office many years ago. We were
sitting down and talking about football and everything and said, hey,

(49:22):
you know, I don't know you got this is after
legion of boom. You guys need a rebuild. It goes No,
we don't believe that. We believe in retooling the roster
while trying to win, and that's that's what the cheeps
are going to try to do here.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Well, Seahawks are playing their biggest game, I think in
since Super Bowl forty nine tonight against the ramsh Just
a side note there, Adam Kaplan joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. It's going to have so much to
say with the NFC. But I want to ask you
about something that you just said to Aaron. And don't
mean to put you on the spot, but I think
it's we look at the NFL when you talk about

(49:52):
best rosters available, the Eagles were always the team for
best roster in the NFL, the Philadelphia Eagles. If Philadelphia
is the best in the league and best in the NFC,
and it's not the Chiefs, And I know Buffalo is
complaining about their roster and what they have her own
Josh Allen in the AFC, who has the best roster
in that conference?

Speaker 6 (50:13):
Oh boy?

Speaker 10 (50:15):
Because the NFC player for the first time. Yeah, well,
I would say Denver. And as a matter of fact,
with Denver, their offensive talent is way better than their
like their numbers would show. And obviously both bo Nix
has been up and down. Yeah they do. I would
say that without a shadow of doubt.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
They do.

Speaker 10 (50:33):
And they've got the best and Sean I mean, I
mean when you look at Sean Payton, he's done a
phenomenal job there.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Yeah, Denver has the best roster now.

Speaker 10 (50:40):
And not only that, I would say in the National
Football League Green Bay, you take Michael Parsons out there,
out of there, the equation, it's completely different. They're not
a lock to make the playoffs. They should make it,
but they're not a lock. Philly is their roster's not
close to last year they had. They lost five starters
on defense.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
And it's although although they've kind of retooled.

Speaker 10 (50:59):
They the trade deadline move and Jalien Phillips has been
really good and they're now poised probably to make our
a little bit of a run here.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Their schedules really good.

Speaker 10 (51:07):
But it's Sky's I'm telling you, and you're a Seahawks fan.
Dan Sam Darnald doesn't implode, and I know he had
four picks the last time they played the Rams, but
they should be a little bit better on offense. You
would expect him. If Sam doesn't implode, they're capable to
make a run for the NFC. This is a good
year just to get in.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, and tonight is so much implications and it's not
done if the Seahawks were to win. But if the
Rams win this, the Rams are in a really, really
good spot over the final two weeks of the season.
So all right, Adam, we appreciate the time. Can't wait
to talk to you on Sunday when I team up
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of the day.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Coward, pressured by a double team, now jumps into Jackson.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Jackson drives the baseline running right hand floater. That's the
icing on the cake right there, baby.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
That was the Memphis Grizzlies topping the Minnesota Timberwolves on
the Grizzlies Radio Network one sixteen to won ten in
w in action last night as the Grizzlies end up
getting the W over the Timberwolves. He is Aaron Torres.
I'm Dan Byer. I do think tonight's game is the
biggest for the Seahawks since Russell Wilson threw the interception

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to Malcolm Butler on the one yard line. There there
were years and even Adams said that John Schneider and
the Seahawks were in this reload mode but they were
never the contender that they were. There was a game
about six years ago where they played the forty nine
Ers in the final week of the season, and if
the Seahawks won, the forty nine Ers wouldn't have been

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the number one seed. But it doesn't mean that the
Seahawks would have been the number one overall seed. That
would have gone to Green Bay. But if you win tonight,
it really opens things up in the NFC wist the
forty nine Ers would have life the Seahawks in forty
nine ers are on a have a date in week eighteen,
but a huge, huge game in the NFL tonight with

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the Rams and Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yeah, all I'll say really quick is knowing this game
was this evening, I was excited to be working with
you today, knowing your history with the Seattle Seahawks. My
only real take. So I have been a Sam Donald
critic for most of his career, right up until that
Sunday night game against the Commanders a few weeks ago,
when every time I looked up, guys were running eighty

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yards down the sideline untouched, and I was like, this
team's awesome. They're fun to watch, And so I got
really into the Seahawks and started believing in Sam Donald.
And then, to Adam's point, he had the disastrous game
a few weeks ago. At so far, so I'm excited.
I'm cautiously out domistic. Adam brought up Sam Donald's, you know,
lack of success in these super high profile games, even

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though he has had a lot of regular season success
the last few years. So as somebody with kind of
no skin in the game, I'm just excited to watch
see if Sam Donald can get that pseudo monkey off
his back, pick up a big win, and then to
your point, if he does, everything's on the table, from
a number one seed, a deep playoff runt, all that
good stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
He is Aaron Torres. I'm Dan byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Yeah.
Week sixteen, kicking off tonight in Seattle between these Seahawks
and the Rams.