December 19, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug wraps up his time at FOX Sports Radio by taking you through a journey of his radio life. Doug welcomes on his former co-host Chuck Wilson, his long-time friend Brandon Krisztal, and former producer Ryan Musick on to reminisce about their time together in the business.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be
sure to catch us live every weekday three to five
Easter twelve, two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your
local station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching app as car.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Boom Up America.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Come in to you
from sunny southern California, one last time with authority here
in twenty twenty five. For over forty years, Tyrack's been
helping customers by the right tires for how, what and
where they drive, ship past them free and back by
free road, has to protection with convenient installation options like
(00:40):
mobile tire installation tyrack dot com the way tire buying
should be. So we had a lot to talk about,
and uh, I am going to do something for the
next two hours which violates what I have done for
the last twenty three years, really eighteen years as an
(01:05):
afternoon drive host here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, which
is I'm going to talk about what I want to
talk about, not necessarily what you want to talk about.
The rule in sports radio, especially national sports radio, is
check your ego, which doesn't really happen with most of
us as hosts. Check your but check your ego in
(01:26):
terms of topic selection. My topic selection, guys that talk
about what they want to talk about fall by the wayside.
Guys that talk about what the most people want to
talk about. Like we make fun of talking about the
Cowboys at all times, but when you talk about the Cowboys,
more people have an opinion or seem to want to listen.
So I'm going to violate that because of announcement that
(01:48):
I made after our show two days ago. And we'll
get into that in a second. First thing is congratulations
to Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks. What a gain, what a win,
What a way to announce your presence nukle Loo style
with authority in the NFL on Thursday night football. That
(02:09):
was a wild one last night.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes, never a dull moment. You already said it was
Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson. Every Seahawks scheme came down
to the final second or the last play of the
game last night. So the Sam Donald Mike McDonald era
no difference.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And I love my favorite thing about social media is
freezing cold. Takes is pretty good, but when people keep
her seats and if you would have looked at halftime
or early in the third quarter on Sam Donald, Sam
Donald was, oh, what was the quarterback?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Nathan?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
He was basically Nathan Peterman, right, Nathan Peter Like, same
old Sam Donald. Sam Donald sucks. I can't believe Seattle
did this. This is the real Sam Donald. You had
all the memes and then pulling off the mask, you know,
all those things. And then Sam Donald the competitor wakes
up and ends up winning the day a wild one,
(03:00):
and I apologize. We're not really going to get into that.
We're not gonna get into the Puka nakua. I just
think he's too dumb. He doesn't know I'm Jewish. Again,
there's plenty of anti anti Semitism up there. I didn't
view that as anti Semitism. I view that as somebody
doing something which people want. People are looking for the
(03:20):
gotcha moment. He's it's not worth it. It's not worth it.
So there are other things to get to. Tonight. You
have a football game in Norman, Oklahoma, which I am
fascinated by and I love again. I would love matter
(03:41):
of fact, I'm gonna do it in my final radio
show here on Fox Sports Tray, I'm gonna tell you
listen to Steven A. Smith talk about the outcome of
this football game and saying that, you know, if Alabama
doesn't win, they should get rid of their coach and
he should go to Michigan when you don't know anything
about college foot is the worst part of this business. Yesterday,
(04:04):
I had the day off because I traveled from Green
Bay to Las Vegas to recruit in a junior college event,
the Tarcanian Classic, which is at the Orleans Arena, and
so I had about three hours to myself and I
sat down at a at a bar, and I was
watching first take and get up and watching first take
(04:25):
and then talk about college football. I wanted to stab
my eyes out. That's what I wanted to do, stab
my eyes out. And so it's part of those emotions
that leaving this show behind because I don't think I
know this is the best show on sports radio because one,
(04:45):
our personalities all work together too we all actually kind
of like each other. And three we actually like and
care on different levels about sports, which is not how
it works otherwise. And we're not hot takers. We don't
say things that we don't believe and that we haven't
thoroughly thought out and have reason behind it. And you're like, wait, wait,
this is your last show if you haven't found out
(05:06):
Wednesday after the game and we had, I'm gonna just
say that's our best win since I've been at Green Bay,
and it's our best win, not because I mean, winning
on the road is more difficult. Winning at the US
Virgin in the US Virgin Islands against really talented teams
like UMass and Iona was an incredible weightlifted office and
we played really, really well. We've done some other impressive things,
(05:31):
but Santa Barbara is outstanding. They're really good. Being at
home is important because those are the people that fund
your program. Those are the people that want to see
growth and success, and so beating a top one hundred
and fifty and really when healthy, they're a top one
hundred team like Santa Barbara was gigantic. Afterwards, I announced
(05:52):
that this would be my last year or this would
be my last show with Live. Okay, so just to clarify,
I'm still gonna do a podcast. I'm still gonna do
my podcast. You know, the Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. We
will use the All Ball platform, and iHeart has been
(06:13):
great and we're going to work together on it and
there are no negatives there. But some of it is perception,
and not that I care what people think, but the
people that matter, I want them to know green Bay
Basketball is incredibly important to me. And you can't say
(06:33):
something's your dream job and then not be willing to
literally and figuratively give you all four it. The reality
to it is green Bay Basketball hasn't suffered the last
year and a half because I haven't worked hard enough
at it. I would say there are times in which
you guys have picked me up, which has been great,
and it's been all the other things in my life
(06:53):
which would suffer. It's just hard when you're trying to
be a show which is knowledgeable and not say things
that you don't know to be true. It's one of
the things that Jason and I get into all the time.
Jason's like, well, you never go like all in on
some things you're kind of wish about, and I'm not.
I'm The reality is the world is gray more than
black and white. Even though sports TV, sports radio, political TV.
(07:16):
Once you think it's black and white, it's left and right,
and it's not. So we'll talk about it some more.
But I was thinking about this. Sports radio has been
the theme music to my life. Theme music to my life.
(07:39):
I was born in Milwaukee, lived there till six moved
to southern California, and every summer we would return to
New York City. My dad was in New Yorker, grew
up in the Bronx, moved out to the island when
he was fourteen years old, and he would rent a
car and he was like the only human being that
would like to drive in New York because he was
in New Yorker. And he would turn on wfa N,
(08:01):
which had Imus in the morning, and it had Mike
and the Dog in the afternoon, and he loved it.
I would listen to Angels Talk after Angels games and
call in when I was in high school. When I
was in high school, I started listening to XTRA in
(08:23):
San Diego AM six ninety and in the afternoon they
had Lee Hacksaw Hamilton. For the next couple of hours,
I want to talk sports with you from Poway to
Escondido all the way up to Temechilla Valley for the
next couple of hours. This is your home for sports,
right that is Lee Hacksaw, Hamilton. And at night.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
At night.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There was a show called The Jim Rome Show, and
they was wild and they would do drug tests Tokanukua
for his posts. Continue a post would have gotten a
drug test which had a peeing and a cup sound
in the background. And you know, raiders sucked. Chargers rule
(09:11):
good night Now was part of the vernacular to anyone
who watched that show. I remember when Jim Rome got
picked up nationally and I think Denver was his first affiliate.
Like this is how I grew up. And so when
I was in high school, my dad was my AAU coach,
and he would pick me up from school and we'd
have to go pick up players for practice because their
(09:33):
parents couldn't do it, and we had to find guys
where no one else found them because we just didn't
have enough players living in Orange County to compete on
a national basis in AU basketball. And I would have
my homework and he would be listening to either sports
Radio XDRA, or he would listen to old cassette tapes
of old time radio, The Jack Benny Show, Burns and Allen,
(09:57):
you name it. So when I got to Oklahoma State
my first year there, we were thirteen and zero. We
were getting ready to play in Nebraska with Tyron lu
and Nebraska was a pathetic road team and they asked me.
(10:17):
Will Hancock, our late sid, came in and asked me
during shoot round, Hey, everybody wants to talk to you.
What radio show do you want to do? Jay stud
Do you know what radio show I want to do?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Oh? Boy, the Jim Romp Show.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Correct, Because the year before, when I was sitting out
at Golden West College, Toby Bailey, who I had grown
up playing against, was his college basketball insider, and I said,
tell Jim, I want to be his college basketball insider
and we lost to Nebraska. Coach was so pissed. I
didn't get to do any of the interview until the
(10:52):
NCAA tournament, and then I told Jim I wanted to
be his college basketball insider. I was the next year.
I was the next year. And then Eric Chenowith, who
I'd grown up with also in Orange County Villa Park
High School, who also grew up listening to the Jim
Rome Show, he wanted to be on and we would
go back and forth in different spots while on Jim
(11:14):
Roum Show. I've been doing this for a long time
and this will be an emotional two hours for me.
I hope a good listen for you. I'm gonna tell
you how I've made it in this business. And there
really is only two things you truly truly need, and
(11:40):
then one other thing that I don't think most of
you will be able to get. And I'm sorry for that,
but I'm not sorry because I worked really hard for it.
But for the next two hours, we're gonna do. This
is my radio life. And it started in Orange County
and it started listening next CRA and started listening to
(12:00):
and Rome and the other way it part it started
was in nineteen ninety six through ninety seven. I sat
out at Golden West College and my high school coach
my first year was Tom McCluskey. He took the Golden
West job and so I went there and I red
shirt essentially practiced with the team. And on weekends, my
(12:23):
old high school girlfriend lived up at Santa Barbara and
my brother was uh in San Luis Obispo at cal
Poly's first job, and so I would go up and
stop in on the way to San Luis Obispo and
see his games, usually on a Saturday night and on
Sunday night, I would drive home and the first show
(12:44):
at ESPN Radio was a night Sunday night show. It
was called Game Night. It was called Game Night, and
I think our show is the best now. The best
show at that time that I remember was game Tony
Bruno and Chuck Wilson. Tony Bruno and Chuck Wilson, and
(13:08):
I would drive home on the one oh one on
a Sunday night and listen to these guys from Bristol, Connecticut,
and I thought to myself, man, I'd really like to
do that. Fast forward to two thousand and three and
I got an opportunity to work at ESPN ESPN Radio.
My first show for the first three years I was
(13:28):
there was Game Night. My co host was the most
prepared man I've ever worked with, ever seen, ever happened
upon in the history of the medium. His name is
Chuck Wilson. He joins us now here on the Doug
Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. Chasmo, How you doing.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Doing well, Doug. I'm glad to be able to join
you today.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Game Night. Way back when what was it like not
with me, with Bruno and those guys. What were those
shows like?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
It was amazing. I mean, you're talking about a seven
hour talk show and we do it Saturdays and Sundays, right,
seven hours. Here's the kicker. We didn't take phone calls,
so you're talking for seven hours. They'd be three in
the booth, be Tony and me, and then we had
(14:18):
kind of a rotating Peter ben Brown was there for
a period of time and they rotated in TV people.
Keith Oberman and Mike Jerico were Saturday and Sunday when
we first started out, but we rotated people for a
long period of time. I ended up working with over
I think over two hundred co hosts at one time
or another. But yeah, I mean, the cool thing about
(14:43):
it was we had access to all of the ESPN talent,
and the name, the good name of ESPN got us
a lot of interviews. On the very first weekend we
broke the story of Danny Tartible to the Yankees through
Keith Olberman who got a tip on it. And so
(15:04):
here it is this fledgling you know, Weekend Network goes
on the air and immediately breaks uh you know what
was a very national story.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
That nice.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So that was pretty cool stuff. But yeah, it was good.
But I got a couple of stories that i'd like
to tell about you that are off the air actually,
and when we talk about being on the air, because
I really enjoyed working with you, as you know, and
I'll just say to folks, you know, when you're working
(15:36):
with somebody and they know what they're doing, and especially
obviously in hoops and in college.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Football NFL, you know, Doug really knew his stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
And what I enjoyed was watching somebody who only had
surface knowledge make the mistake of challenging dog. Okay, now
here's the thing. Doug loves to debate stuff, and he's
very good at it, right, so you'd better bring your
(16:10):
a game, especially if it's in a subject that he
really knows.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Okay, I mean he really knows.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
But it would be fun because people just you know,
he'd knock him down the side.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I mean, you saw it.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
But I just want to go to two thousand and four,
because we had Doug over the house, all right, and
we had, first of all, we had expanded our driveway,
put in a half court. We have a three point
line of had all the lines on and so forth,
the line based line and so forth. Right, And we've
got three boys, and our middle son is Matt. So
(16:48):
first of all, I'll tell you MAT's fourteen years old, okay,
and he and Doug are playing Madden, right, and my
son is just beating up done. My son is up
thirty points in the fourth quarter. But my son's also
fourteen years old, and he's a huge Michael Vick fan.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Now you would think, as he jokes about.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
It today, you would think that, you know, you might
want to run the ball. You know, you got Michael Vick.
You just no, Matt is going to pass. And Matt
was stubborn Michael Vick. Well, Doug got me to the
fourth quarter, came back from thirty points at beat bet,
which was pretty funny at the time.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The other story that's in this, though.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Is that I think everybody knows what an outstanding player
Doug was in high school. Okay, he shared most Outstanding
Player award in high school for the state of California.
It was one Paul Pierce. Okay, the time's really good.
So when he went to Oklahoma State, and I'll never
(17:56):
understand why coaches tell kids, especially talent people don't shoot them.
You know, we don't want we want you to distribute,
We don't.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Want you to shooting the ball.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
Well, Doug went from you know, being somebody who had
the confidence to score and really could shoot two. Frankly,
I think you'd agreed, Doug.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I mean, got to the point where even free throws were.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
A challenge, right, Yes, But I want you to tell
you that in two thousand and four, Doug came to
our house play a little basketball out there. They were
shooting threes, right, And I swear to you that because
I confirmed this with Matt today, you know what was
the exact number? Doug Gottlieb made twenty seven straight threes
(18:40):
on an outdoor court.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That sounds like a windy I'll tell you mine real quick, Chuck,
Before we go, I got two things for you. One,
you want to talk about a twenty six year old
you made it moment. It was the twentieth Anniverse, twenty
fifth anniversary of ESPN, and we did a show from
the ESPN end Zone in New York City, and it
was me and Chuck Wilson and we started the show.
(19:05):
To my left was Ozzie Smith. To his right was
Richard Petty, the Wizard and the King. And I'm sitting
there going, what am I doing here?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
What am what am Wait? So it was and you
had been doing it forever. Knew everything about everybody. But
I need I need a thirty second dissertation. Pete Rose
passed away, right, not so tragically. Not a good person. Sorry,
that's just the reality to it. Okay, For people who
believe that Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame,
(19:40):
the officient out of the only person you need to
listen to is Chuck Wilson. He's the only person I
know that can quote chapter and verse the Dowd Report
knows all the truth about what has been investigative Pete Rose.
So I'm gonna ask you, Chuck right now. Should Pete
Rose be in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Well as as a player's not. But it will happen
because people have, you know, short memories, and you know
some of the vices have been poffened up over time
and so on. Here's the thing that really bothered me
about Pete Rose. You know, Pete never really came clean.
(20:19):
Peter Rose had a photographic memory, okay, he I mean
he could quote from you know, at bats and games
and exact situations all right. When he writes in his
book that he really can't remember the first time he
plays the bet professional, I can tell you why he
can't remember, because he was a player manager and he
(20:42):
never wanted to admit that he bet on baseball as
a player manager. As a manager. Yeah, he came clean
on that. I am convinced that he didn't want to
say that he bet as a player manager because he
thought it would hurt his chances to get into the Hall.
And an interesting sideline to this, Doug. About two months
(21:03):
ago I met John Dowd for the first time. He
lives out in the Cape Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
And it's a long, kind of a long story, but.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I went to a fundraiser for the Rotary.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Club and there was a guy that he actually.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Lives next door to John Dowd.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I went out and I met John Dowd.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
John Dowd really did a very honest.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Report on Pete Rose, and for Pete to have ridiculed
the individuals, you know, the commissioner and John Dowd and
the whole three stooges thing and lied and lied and
lied for years was really really unfortunate. I was always
cast as the bad guy that you know, I'd always
(21:47):
have to be the foil and say that I didn't
believe Pete, because of course I didn't. All the evidence
is just clear that he had met. But you know,
and that really bothered me because I was Pete Rose
growing up. I love the hustle stuff, right, and so
effort attitude are really big to me, and so it
was a big disappointment. But that's the backstory if you
(22:08):
want to put him into the hall because you don't
think gamblings, you know, I mean, everything's you know, we're
putting gambling in different category today. Okay, but just remember
this guy bet on baseball. He did it as a
player manager and you know people said, well you bet
against his own team. Well every time you didn't bet
on your team or you did that maybe as a player,
(22:31):
you're maybe you're putting your closer out there for three
straight days and you really shouldn't have type things. So no,
I would not, But you know that's my feeling. He'll
he'll you know, that's he'll get in because of time
changes things. But I don't believe you should set.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You taught me so much and you were always so
graceful with how you taught me, and when when you
didn't come back, you never took it out on me
or on our ship. And I just honored to share
a studio and learn so much from you. I appreciate you.
I appreciate you, and and and I never got to
(23:09):
the level of preparation that I didn't have the chuck
wagon ever you set you set up, You set a
bar for everybody to get to that that none of
us could really climb.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Well, that's nice to say that.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Let me just say this that uh.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
You just you wanted to keep improving. Uh and you
did uh an engaging conversation and doing solo shows something
I can't do very well, and there aren't that many
that do it well, and you've done it really well
for quite a while. I thoroughly enjoyed playing with playing
in the year with you, going back and forth. Sometimes
(23:44):
the third person in could be.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
A little difficult, as.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
We both know, but uh no, it was. It's a
real joy.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
And uh, I just wish you the best going forward here.
I'm glad that you're doing this show today this way,
because you know, people should under stand how many of
us really enjoyed working with you and how much you
brought to the table. Because man, knowledge is a cool thing.
I call it informed opinion. You know everybody's got opinions,
(24:14):
but you gave us informed opinions and get better at
the sports you weren't as familiar with, but on the
stuff that was in your wheelhouse. There are few people
better in terms of knowledge and good stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
So be well, my.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Friend Mary Chrisis Jack, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Every Olympic dream starts with a first glide through Learn
to skat USA kids build confidence, strength and join the ice.
Learn sk USA offers programs for skaters of all ages
and abilities. Find a program near you learn sk usa
dot com. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio.
If you're just joining us, not the usual DG. Because
this is going to be my last live sports radio
(25:04):
show for the time being. I'm gonna focus my daytime
attention on on the Green Bay Phoenix. On the Green
Bay Phoenix, my next guest is I tell people all
the time that you know, A real friend is somebody
(25:24):
who thinks of you one in times of need, but
two will always be your kind of biggest champion. And
I've taken one quasi journalism class in my lifetime, Damnpyre,
and that one was at Golden West College, Golden West College.
But I wrote for the school newspaper at Golden West College.
(25:49):
Guess what I wrote about.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
The school newspaper at Golden West College, which I've known.
Where is it? Heine Beachington. I don't know the the
baseball team.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
One would think, Okay, I grew up playing sports. I
love sports. I want to talk about sports. You would
think I would cover sports, right I was. I did
food critique. I did food critique. Take a guess.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Why nobody else would do it? I don't help and
why free food? Free food? Oh, free food makes sense?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Free food because I am low budget. I'd ask anybody
who knows me, like man, open up that wallet. Now
I'm better now, obviously we're gonna this was just gonna
take a little hit with this one here. But the
point is I'm a free food. The fact that you
ordered pizza today is great.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I did.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I went to the wallet but it was that it
was the look you not really going to the wallet thing,
but thank you for the pizza.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
In advance Doug's third review of In and Out this
Week on the school newspaper.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
But I made a friend in that class. He was
a football player, and then he didn't play football. He
went to Kansas so remarkably he goes to our rival school.
And while at Oklahoma State, my college roommate's girlfriend was
at KU, so we would go up and back there
sometimes and he would come down for a lot of
(27:20):
the big games. Fast forward to two thousand and two
and I had just gotten home from playing in Israel,
and I was filling in at WWLS, the Sports Animal
in Oklahoma City, and I want to fill in because
Jim Travor, the afternoon host, was the color voice for
(27:41):
the Diamondbacks and they were good then, and so he
was off there lots of times in the summer and
I would fill in. And I got a call from
Brandon after doing a show and he's like, hey, Dan
Steer from ESPN's trying to get a hold of you.
And I didn't have a cell phone at the time.
I did didn't have an email address outside like hotmail,
(28:02):
and I didn't have an extension at the studio because
I wasn't full time. Brandon was the guy responsible for
me getting an interview to do college basketball at ESPN,
and Brandon was my first producer when I got my
first show two thousand and two till two thousand and
three at Wwwis's Sports. And he joins US now from Denver,
(28:24):
where he covers the Broncos. He also has his own
podcast network.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
BK.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
What did you write about for the school newspaper.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I didn't write with the school newspaper. I was in
the football offseason program, so I was just in that
class with you. I think I might have written one
article as like part of an assignment, but I didn't
get published in the school newspaper. And I'd been writing
in Dallas as a kid and was published in the
Dallas Morning News, where I would write articles about wrestling
tournaments that I was in, so I wouldn't quote myself,
but I would quote my teammates and my coach, and
(28:54):
would write features about some of my friends who played
football and went on to play college football. But yeah,
I didn't writ at Golden West. I did know, though,
that I met you that you know, one day you
would work at every single major sports radio network and
you know, beyond March Madness coverage with Charles Barkley and
Kenny Smith and Ernie Johnson and Greg Gumbele. So I
(29:16):
got that sense when you know, when we were fresh
I guess I was a freshman. You were sophomore. But
I was eighteen nineteen, you were nineteen twenty. I was like, oh,
this guy's going to be something.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
My strongest memory of our show at night because I
did the middle of the day's show with Mark Rogers
right the mod squad, and then we had the nightly.
We did a basketball show at night. Remember guys, we
did a basketball show in Oklahoma City at night in
two thousand and two. Now, right now, a basketball show
at night in Oklahoma City is great. Back then, there
(29:48):
were only three sports covered in Oklahoma City radio, football,
spring football, and recruiting, and really was Ou football, Spring football,
and recruiting.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Can I can? I guess? You can? I guess your
strongest memory because lamarrow the scent of marijuana from lamar odom.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
We had he somehow, Brandon has the unique ability to
know everybody and to get into any room. There's never
been an event that I've gone to that he wasn't
able to get into, usually before I could, and I
was invited and had a ticket, and oftentimes he did not,
so he had. I don't even how did you. I
don't even know how you knew lamar Odom. But lamar
(30:22):
Odom was early on in the NBA. He was, he
was on my radio show, and he could not have
possibly been more high, otherwise he would have been in
a coma. That's my strongest wimmer.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
What's weird is if I were to guess how I
knew lamar Odom, it'd be through a friend who I
met after working at the Sports Animal, which why it
makes why why it makes less sense of it had
to be through a third party, somebody that knew him
along the way, because my friend Jonathan grun Faster work
with the Serious when you went on too ESPN full time.
(30:55):
I took a job at Serious Sport Serious XM as
it was getting off the ground, and my buddy Jonathan,
who worked there in at WFN was Lamar's was the
manager at Rhode Island and Lamar had to set up
that first year. So you're driving back the Queens, so
I don't know how we got Lamar Lamont. That's one
that I could rack my brain for hours, and I'm
not really sure, but it's certainly the most memorable that
And I remember playing a lot of pickup basketball and
(31:16):
this guy tried to tell us he played at Portland
or Portland State, and of course we do the research.
He didn't, And he kept calling you a radio DJ.
And then you hit us three to win the game,
and you'd just gotten back from playing in Europe, and
you said, and he's like, okay, come on, mister DJ,
and you hit the shot. I sound like Chuck Wilson
now telling these glory day stories. But you hit the
shot to keep winning or maybe end the day. And
(31:37):
and you go and professional basketball player mf for check
the resume. And I was like, that's a good line.
Check or he said, check the resume mf For. I
was like, that's a good line.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Most times now I just do Hey, hey, Bud, this
is the lowest point of my basketball career, of the
high point of force. Let's let's just let's just let's
just get this thing over with. Was that at the temple.
We played a lot of pickup basketball at the temple
in Oka.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Have I been at the church where we played with
Kelly greg the longtime nose tackle for the for the
Ravens with his brother, So I think that was at
the church. We had about three rounds. We had one
up a temple where that was not much fun for
you except for cardio, and then we had a couple
of church runs Mark Rodgers Hattison one and uh yeah,
it was no. That was definitely at the church. That
was not at the temple.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
The church run was where I met my first bookie
and I actually asked, you, why are they giving that
guy money? They're like, he's a bookie. I was like,
they exist in real life. He's like, yeah, there's a
bookie everywhere I had. I had no idea. I had
no idea.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Well, then then you moved to the East Coast and
they really existed everywhere, and now they're just on your phone.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Correct listen, we got we got to run. I wanted
to have you on to tell you I appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Well, I appreciate I appreciate you because you did help
me get my first radio job. And then when you
went to CBS and I went up there to interview
at CBS Sports radio. You told me not to take
the job and to say in Denver. I took it anyway.
But the second day was there, I called the train
to get my job back. Moved back eleven weeks later
and the rest is history. You know. Was with my
girlfriend now wife. We've got three kids. So thank you
(33:04):
for that, and thanks for ros being a good friend.
And you also have the biggest Green Bay Phoenix fan
in the state of Colorado in my seven year old Leo,
who went to Allen Fieldhouse, a lifelong Jayhawks fan because
his dad, because it's my alma mater, and left a
fan of the opposition, which almost never happens. I have
to think when a kid goes to a school or
goes to Lawrence to watch a game at Allen Field House,
(33:26):
so he's always asking how you're doing it, and he's
very excited that you are six dash seven right now.
So I said, there's gonna be a lot more wins
than that though. In the last one, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
When I walked out Allen Field House, I put on
a Kansas sweatshirt. I was a much bigger fan of them.
B KA, I love you, say hi, do you lovely Bride?
And your kids and tell Leo we need his cheering.
We take on Campbell on Tuesday. Thanks thanks for joining me.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Absolutely happy honkah, happy holladays to you.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Have you heard about the Trainer Games? Add this year
Binge list ten athletes go ahead to head for a
chance to win an iFIT trainer contract. We're two hundred
and fifty grand streaming live on Prime Video starting January eighth.
What's it take to make it well? You gotta have
work at gatty, willing to work when other people are not.
(34:21):
That's really it.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I was very.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Fortunate to not have to grind the way that Dan
Beyer did early on coming up because at being a
former college basketball player and a fairly notable one. I
got a really good shot in Oklahoma City, making way
more money than you normally doing your first radio show,
and then I was on like a rocket rocket ship
to go to ESPN a year later. But I do
(34:45):
think that it's when you do a radio show, a
TV show, when you do anything. Now, coaching a college
buss team, staff is everything surrounding yourself with really good people.
I came here eight years ago. Ryan Music was my producer.
I didn't know Ryan from Adam. What do you remember
Ryan about when we first started linking up and working.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
I will tell you, Doug, it was a great pleasure
to get to work with you and launch the show.
And one of my favorite things about you was, after
being your producer and only knowing you for about three months,
you traveled to Israel to coach the Jewish national team
and you asked if I could drop you off at
the airport. I said, no problem, that's not an issue.
(35:29):
And then as we arrived at the Bourbank airport, you said,
all right, here's my Tesla and have fun for the
next three months. And I was like, okay, I guess
I have myself a brand new Tesla for the next
month or so.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
While you were in Israel, when.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I got Greg, you said you said shakes it one twenty.
I was like, dude, easy, now you're like, yeah, it
shakes it one twenty. I know what's going on there?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yeah? Oh me either.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
I thought Elon had this whole thing figured out with
aerodynamics and rocket ships, but hey, no, listen, Doug, it
was nothing but a pleasure, and obviously great people of
Green Bay have a good one, and know that you'll
only do great things as you lean into this folk
and pursue the building a great program.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Here's the big question we want to ask, Hey, you're
now Collins producer. Do you take his picks as we
do and bet the opposite you fade all of his
picks in his blazing five. If so, you would be
a multi millionaire right now for this year.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Well, Doug, the fact that I am still Collins producer
if that map checks out, probably not actually the case.
It's kind of like if you'd won the power Ball,
you'd probably never see me again.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So well, listen, from humble beginnings, you've become a star
from ce Sun as a volleyball player to my producer
now living in Chicago, living the high life, doing Volume
stuff and Collin stuff. Congratulate Sid everything, and thanks for
joining me, and thanks for all your hard work.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
That's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio coming
up next. There's one individual human being that's changed the
trajectory of my life in sports radio more than anyone else.
Anyone else. I'm gonna say thank you, yeah, thank you,
and we'll go down memory lane of how I got
(37:13):
started in this racket. That's up coming next to The
Doug Gottlieb Show, the Final Show on Fox Sports Radio
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be
sure to catch us live every weekday three to five
Easter twelve, two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your
local station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching app as car.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Boom Up America.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Come in to you
from sunny southern California, one last time with authority here
in twenty twenty five. For over forty years, Tyrack's been
helping customers by the right tires for how, what and
where they drive, ship past them free and back by
free road, has to protection with convenient installation options like
(00:40):
mobile tire installation tyrack dot com the way tire buying
should be. So we had a lot to talk about,
and uh, I am going to do something for the
next two hours which violates what I have done for
the last twenty three years, really eighteen years as an
(01:05):
afternoon drive host here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, which
is I'm going to talk about what I want to
talk about, not necessarily what you want to talk about.
The rule in sports radio, especially national sports radio, is
check your ego, which doesn't really happen with most of
us as hosts. Check your but check your ego in
(01:26):
terms of topic selection. My topic selection, guys that talk
about what they want to talk about fall by the wayside.
Guys that talk about what the most people want to
talk about. Like we make fun of talking about the
Cowboys at all times, but when you talk about the Cowboys,
more people have an opinion or seem to want to listen.
So I'm going to violate that because of announcement that
(01:48):
I made after our show two days ago. And we'll
get into that in a second. First thing is congratulations
to Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks. What a gain, what a win,
What a way to announce your presence nukle Loo style
with authority in the NFL on Thursday night football. That
(02:09):
was a wild one last night.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes, never a dull moment. You already said it was
Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson. Every Seahawks scheme came down
to the final second or the last play of the
game last night. So the Sam Donald Mike McDonald era
no difference.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And I love my favorite thing about social media is
freezing cold. Takes is pretty good, but when people keep
her seats and if you would have looked at halftime
or early in the third quarter on Sam Donald, Sam
Donald was, oh, what was the quarterback?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Nathan?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
He was basically Nathan Peterman, right, Nathan Peter Like, same
old Sam Donald. Sam Donald sucks. I can't believe Seattle
did this. This is the real Sam Donald. You had
all the memes and then pulling off the mask, you know,
all those things. And then Sam Donald the competitor wakes
up and ends up winning the day a wild one,
(03:00):
and I apologize. We're not really going to get into that.
We're not gonna get into the Puka nakua. I just
think he's too dumb. He doesn't know I'm Jewish. Again,
there's plenty of anti anti Semitism up there. I didn't
view that as anti Semitism. I view that as somebody
doing something which people want. People are looking for the
(03:20):
gotcha moment. He's it's not worth it. It's not worth it.
So there are other things to get to. Tonight. You
have a football game in Norman, Oklahoma, which I am
fascinated by and I love again. I would love matter
(03:41):
of fact, I'm gonna do it in my final radio
show here on Fox Sports Tray, I'm gonna tell you
listen to Steven A. Smith talk about the outcome of
this football game and saying that, you know, if Alabama
doesn't win, they should get rid of their coach and
he should go to Michigan when you don't know anything
about college foot is the worst part of this business. Yesterday,
(04:04):
I had the day off because I traveled from Green
Bay to Las Vegas to recruit in a junior college event,
the Tarcanian Classic, which is at the Orleans Arena, and
so I had about three hours to myself and I
sat down at a at a bar, and I was
watching first take and get up and watching first take
(04:25):
and then talk about college football. I wanted to stab
my eyes out. That's what I wanted to do, stab
my eyes out. And so it's part of those emotions
that leaving this show behind because I don't think I
know this is the best show on sports radio because one,
(04:45):
our personalities all work together too we all actually kind
of like each other. And three we actually like and
care on different levels about sports, which is not how
it works otherwise. And we're not hot takers. We don't
say things that we don't believe and that we haven't
thoroughly thought out and have reason behind it. And you're like, wait, wait,
this is your last show if you haven't found out
(05:06):
Wednesday after the game and we had, I'm gonna just
say that's our best win since I've been at Green Bay,
and it's our best win, not because I mean, winning
on the road is more difficult. Winning at the US
Virgin in the US Virgin Islands against really talented teams
like UMass and Iona was an incredible weightlifted office and
we played really, really well. We've done some other impressive things,
(05:31):
but Santa Barbara is outstanding. They're really good. Being at
home is important because those are the people that fund
your program. Those are the people that want to see
growth and success, and so beating a top one hundred
and fifty and really when healthy, they're a top one
hundred team like Santa Barbara was gigantic. Afterwards, I announced
(05:52):
that this would be my last year or this would
be my last show with Live. Okay, so just to clarify,
I'm still gonna do a podcast. I'm still gonna do
my podcast. You know, the Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. We
will use the All Ball platform, and iHeart has been
(06:13):
great and we're going to work together on it and
there are no negatives there. But some of it is perception,
and not that I care what people think, but the
people that matter, I want them to know green Bay
Basketball is incredibly important to me. And you can't say
(06:33):
something's your dream job and then not be willing to
literally and figuratively give you all four it. The reality
to it is green Bay Basketball hasn't suffered the last
year and a half because I haven't worked hard enough
at it. I would say there are times in which
you guys have picked me up, which has been great,
and it's been all the other things in my life
(06:53):
which would suffer. It's just hard when you're trying to
be a show which is knowledgeable and not say things
that you don't know to be true. It's one of
the things that Jason and I get into all the time.
Jason's like, well, you never go like all in on
some things you're kind of wish about, and I'm not.
I'm The reality is the world is gray more than
black and white. Even though sports TV, sports radio, political TV.
(07:16):
Once you think it's black and white, it's left and right,
and it's not. So we'll talk about it some more.
But I was thinking about this. Sports radio has been
the theme music to my life. Theme music to my life.
(07:39):
I was born in Milwaukee, lived there till six moved
to southern California, and every summer we would return to
New York City. My dad was in New Yorker, grew
up in the Bronx, moved out to the island when
he was fourteen years old, and he would rent a
car and he was like the only human being that
would like to drive in New York because he was
in New Yorker. And he would turn on wfa N,
(08:01):
which had Imus in the morning, and it had Mike
and the Dog in the afternoon, and he loved it.
I would listen to Angels Talk after Angels games and
call in when I was in high school. When I
was in high school, I started listening to XTRA in
(08:23):
San Diego AM six ninety and in the afternoon they
had Lee Hacksaw Hamilton. For the next couple of hours,
I want to talk sports with you from Poway to
Escondido all the way up to Temechilla Valley for the
next couple of hours. This is your home for sports,
right that is Lee Hacksaw, Hamilton. And at night.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
At night.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There was a show called The Jim Rome Show, and
they was wild and they would do drug tests Tokanukua
for his posts. Continue a post would have gotten a
drug test which had a peeing and a cup sound
in the background. And you know, raiders sucked. Chargers rule
(09:11):
good night Now was part of the vernacular to anyone
who watched that show. I remember when Jim Rome got
picked up nationally and I think Denver was his first affiliate.
Like this is how I grew up. And so when
I was in high school, my dad was my AAU coach,
and he would pick me up from school and we'd
have to go pick up players for practice because their
(09:33):
parents couldn't do it, and we had to find guys
where no one else found them because we just didn't
have enough players living in Orange County to compete on
a national basis in AU basketball. And I would have
my homework and he would be listening to either sports
Radio XDRA, or he would listen to old cassette tapes
of old time radio, The Jack Benny Show, Burns and Allen,
(09:57):
you name it. So when I got to Oklahoma State
my first year there, we were thirteen and zero. We
were getting ready to play in Nebraska with Tyron lu
and Nebraska was a pathetic road team and they asked me.
(10:17):
Will Hancock, our late sid, came in and asked me
during shoot round, Hey, everybody wants to talk to you.
What radio show do you want to do? Jay stud
Do you know what radio show I want to do?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Oh? Boy, the Jim Romp Show.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Correct, Because the year before, when I was sitting out
at Golden West College, Toby Bailey, who I had grown
up playing against, was his college basketball insider, and I said,
tell Jim, I want to be his college basketball insider
and we lost to Nebraska. Coach was so pissed. I
didn't get to do any of the interview until the
(10:52):
NCAA tournament, and then I told Jim I wanted to
be his college basketball insider. I was the next year.
I was the next year. And then Eric Chenowith, who
I'd grown up with also in Orange County Villa Park
High School, who also grew up listening to the Jim
Rome Show, he wanted to be on and we would
go back and forth in different spots while on Jim
(11:14):
Roum Show. I've been doing this for a long time
and this will be an emotional two hours for me.
I hope a good listen for you. I'm gonna tell
you how I've made it in this business. And there
really is only two things you truly truly need, and
(11:40):
then one other thing that I don't think most of
you will be able to get. And I'm sorry for that,
but I'm not sorry because I worked really hard for it.
But for the next two hours, we're gonna do. This
is my radio life. And it started in Orange County
and it started listening next CRA and started listening to
(12:00):
and Rome and the other way it part it started
was in nineteen ninety six through ninety seven. I sat
out at Golden West College and my high school coach
my first year was Tom McCluskey. He took the Golden
West job and so I went there and I red
shirt essentially practiced with the team. And on weekends, my
(12:23):
old high school girlfriend lived up at Santa Barbara and
my brother was uh in San Luis Obispo at cal
Poly's first job, and so I would go up and
stop in on the way to San Luis Obispo and
see his games, usually on a Saturday night and on
Sunday night, I would drive home and the first show
(12:44):
at ESPN Radio was a night Sunday night show. It
was called Game Night. It was called Game Night, and
I think our show is the best now. The best
show at that time that I remember was game Tony
Bruno and Chuck Wilson. Tony Bruno and Chuck Wilson, and
(13:08):
I would drive home on the one oh one on
a Sunday night and listen to these guys from Bristol, Connecticut,
and I thought to myself, man, I'd really like to
do that. Fast forward to two thousand and three and
I got an opportunity to work at ESPN ESPN Radio.
My first show for the first three years I was
(13:28):
there was Game Night. My co host was the most
prepared man I've ever worked with, ever seen, ever happened
upon in the history of the medium. His name is
Chuck Wilson. He joins us now here on the Doug
Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. Chasmo, How you doing.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Doing well, Doug. I'm glad to be able to join
you today.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Game Night. Way back when what was it like not
with me, with Bruno and those guys. What were those
shows like?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
It was amazing. I mean, you're talking about a seven
hour talk show and we do it Saturdays and Sundays, right,
seven hours. Here's the kicker. We didn't take phone calls,
so you're talking for seven hours. They'd be three in
the booth, be Tony and me, and then we had
(14:18):
kind of a rotating Peter ben Brown was there for
a period of time and they rotated in TV people.
Keith Oberman and Mike Jerico were Saturday and Sunday when
we first started out, but we rotated people for a
long period of time. I ended up working with over
I think over two hundred co hosts at one time
or another. But yeah, I mean, the cool thing about
(14:43):
it was we had access to all of the ESPN talent,
and the name, the good name of ESPN got us
a lot of interviews. On the very first weekend we
broke the story of Danny Tartible to the Yankees through
Keith Olberman who got a tip on it. And so
(15:04):
here it is this fledgling you know, Weekend Network goes
on the air and immediately breaks uh you know what
was a very national story.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
That nice.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So that was pretty cool stuff. But yeah, it was good.
But I got a couple of stories that i'd like
to tell about you that are off the air actually,
and when we talk about being on the air, because
I really enjoyed working with you, as you know, and
I'll just say to folks, you know, when you're working
(15:36):
with somebody and they know what they're doing, and especially
obviously in hoops and in college.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Football NFL, you know, Doug really knew his stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
And what I enjoyed was watching somebody who only had
surface knowledge make the mistake of challenging dog. Okay, now
here's the thing. Doug loves to debate stuff, and he's
very good at it, right, so you'd better bring your
(16:10):
a game, especially if it's in a subject that he
really knows.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Okay, I mean he really knows.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
But it would be fun because people just you know,
he'd knock him down the side.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I mean, you saw it.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
But I just want to go to two thousand and four,
because we had Doug over the house, all right, and
we had, first of all, we had expanded our driveway,
put in a half court. We have a three point
line of had all the lines on and so forth,
the line based line and so forth. Right, And we've
got three boys, and our middle son is Matt. So
(16:48):
first of all, I'll tell you MAT's fourteen years old, okay,
and he and Doug are playing Madden, right, and my
son is just beating up done. My son is up
thirty points in the fourth quarter. But my son's also
fourteen years old, and he's a huge Michael Vick fan.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Now you would think, as he jokes about.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
It today, you would think that, you know, you might
want to run the ball. You know, you got Michael Vick.
You just no, Matt is going to pass. And Matt
was stubborn Michael Vick. Well, Doug got me to the
fourth quarter, came back from thirty points at beat bet,
which was pretty funny at the time.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The other story that's in this, though.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Is that I think everybody knows what an outstanding player
Doug was in high school. Okay, he shared most Outstanding
Player award in high school for the state of California.
It was one Paul Pierce. Okay, the time's really good.
So when he went to Oklahoma State, and I'll never
(17:56):
understand why coaches tell kids, especially talent people don't shoot them.
You know, we don't want we want you to distribute,
We don't.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Want you to shooting the ball.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
Well, Doug went from you know, being somebody who had
the confidence to score and really could shoot two. Frankly,
I think you'd agreed, Doug.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I mean, got to the point where even free throws were.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
A challenge, right, Yes, But I want you to tell
you that in two thousand and four, Doug came to
our house play a little basketball out there. They were
shooting threes, right, And I swear to you that because
I confirmed this with Matt today, you know what was
the exact number? Doug Gottlieb made twenty seven straight threes
(18:40):
on an outdoor court.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That sounds like a windy I'll tell you mine real quick, Chuck,
Before we go, I got two things for you. One,
you want to talk about a twenty six year old
you made it moment. It was the twentieth Anniverse, twenty
fifth anniversary of ESPN, and we did a show from
the ESPN end Zone in New York City, and it
was me and Chuck Wilson and we started the show.
(19:05):
To my left was Ozzie Smith. To his right was
Richard Petty, the Wizard and the King. And I'm sitting
there going, what am I doing here?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
What am what am Wait? So it was and you
had been doing it forever. Knew everything about everybody. But
I need I need a thirty second dissertation. Pete Rose
passed away, right, not so tragically. Not a good person. Sorry,
that's just the reality to it. Okay, For people who
believe that Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame,
(19:40):
the officient out of the only person you need to
listen to is Chuck Wilson. He's the only person I
know that can quote chapter and verse the Dowd Report
knows all the truth about what has been investigative Pete Rose.
So I'm gonna ask you, Chuck right now. Should Pete
Rose be in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Well as as a player's not. But it will happen
because people have, you know, short memories, and you know
some of the vices have been poffened up over time
and so on. Here's the thing that really bothered me
about Pete Rose. You know, Pete never really came clean.
(20:19):
Peter Rose had a photographic memory, okay, he I mean
he could quote from you know, at bats and games
and exact situations all right. When he writes in his
book that he really can't remember the first time he
plays the bet professional, I can tell you why he
can't remember, because he was a player manager and he
(20:42):
never wanted to admit that he bet on baseball as
a player manager. As a manager. Yeah, he came clean
on that. I am convinced that he didn't want to
say that he bet as a player manager because he
thought it would hurt his chances to get into the Hall.
And an interesting sideline to this, Doug. About two months
(21:03):
ago I met John Dowd for the first time. He
lives out in the Cape Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
And it's a long, kind of a long story, but.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I went to a fundraiser for the Rotary.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Club and there was a guy that he actually.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Lives next door to John Dowd.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I went out and I met John Dowd.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
John Dowd really did a very honest.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Report on Pete Rose, and for Pete to have ridiculed
the individuals, you know, the commissioner and John Dowd and
the whole three stooges thing and lied and lied and
lied for years was really really unfortunate. I was always
cast as the bad guy that you know, I'd always
(21:47):
have to be the foil and say that I didn't
believe Pete, because of course I didn't. All the evidence
is just clear that he had met. But you know,
and that really bothered me because I was Pete Rose
growing up. I love the hustle stuff, right, and so
effort attitude are really big to me, and so it
was a big disappointment. But that's the backstory if you
(22:08):
want to put him into the hall because you don't
think gamblings, you know, I mean, everything's you know, we're
putting gambling in different category today. Okay, but just remember
this guy bet on baseball. He did it as a
player manager and you know people said, well you bet
against his own team. Well every time you didn't bet
on your team or you did that maybe as a player,
(22:31):
you're maybe you're putting your closer out there for three
straight days and you really shouldn't have type things. So no,
I would not, But you know that's my feeling. He'll
he'll you know, that's he'll get in because of time
changes things. But I don't believe you should set.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You taught me so much and you were always so
graceful with how you taught me, and when when you
didn't come back, you never took it out on me
or on our ship. And I just honored to share
a studio and learn so much from you. I appreciate you.
I appreciate you, and and and I never got to
(23:09):
the level of preparation that I didn't have the chuck
wagon ever you set you set up, You set a
bar for everybody to get to that that none of
us could really climb.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Well, that's nice to say that.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Let me just say this that uh.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
You just you wanted to keep improving. Uh and you
did uh an engaging conversation and doing solo shows something
I can't do very well, and there aren't that many
that do it well, and you've done it really well
for quite a while. I thoroughly enjoyed playing with playing
in the year with you, going back and forth. Sometimes
(23:44):
the third person in could be.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
A little difficult, as.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
We both know, but uh no, it was. It's a
real joy.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
And uh, I just wish you the best going forward here.
I'm glad that you're doing this show today this way,
because you know, people should under stand how many of
us really enjoyed working with you and how much you
brought to the table. Because man, knowledge is a cool thing.
I call it informed opinion. You know everybody's got opinions,
(24:14):
but you gave us informed opinions and get better at
the sports you weren't as familiar with, but on the
stuff that was in your wheelhouse. There are few people
better in terms of knowledge and good stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
So be well, my.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Friend Mary Chrisis Jack, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Every Olympic dream starts with a first glide through Learn
to skat USA kids build confidence, strength and join the ice.
Learn sk USA offers programs for skaters of all ages
and abilities. Find a program near you learn sk usa
dot com. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio.
If you're just joining us, not the usual DG. Because
this is going to be my last live sports radio
(25:04):
show for the time being. I'm gonna focus my daytime
attention on on the Green Bay Phoenix. On the Green
Bay Phoenix, my next guest is I tell people all
the time that you know, A real friend is somebody
(25:24):
who thinks of you one in times of need, but
two will always be your kind of biggest champion. And
I've taken one quasi journalism class in my lifetime, Damnpyre,
and that one was at Golden West College, Golden West College.
But I wrote for the school newspaper at Golden West College.
(25:49):
Guess what I wrote about.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
The school newspaper at Golden West College, which I've known.
Where is it? Heine Beachington. I don't know the the
baseball team.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
One would think, Okay, I grew up playing sports. I
love sports. I want to talk about sports. You would
think I would cover sports, right I was. I did
food critique. I did food critique. Take a guess.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Why nobody else would do it? I don't help and
why free food? Free food? Oh, free food makes sense?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Free food because I am low budget. I'd ask anybody
who knows me, like man, open up that wallet. Now
I'm better now, obviously we're gonna this was just gonna
take a little hit with this one here. But the
point is I'm a free food. The fact that you
ordered pizza today is great.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I did.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I went to the wallet but it was that it
was the look you not really going to the wallet thing,
but thank you for the pizza.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
In advance Doug's third review of In and Out this
Week on the school newspaper.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
But I made a friend in that class. He was
a football player, and then he didn't play football. He
went to Kansas so remarkably he goes to our rival school.
And while at Oklahoma State, my college roommate's girlfriend was
at KU, so we would go up and back there
sometimes and he would come down for a lot of
(27:20):
the big games. Fast forward to two thousand and two
and I had just gotten home from playing in Israel,
and I was filling in at WWLS, the Sports Animal
in Oklahoma City, and I want to fill in because
Jim Travor, the afternoon host, was the color voice for
(27:41):
the Diamondbacks and they were good then, and so he
was off there lots of times in the summer and
I would fill in. And I got a call from
Brandon after doing a show and he's like, hey, Dan
Steer from ESPN's trying to get a hold of you.
And I didn't have a cell phone at the time.
I did didn't have an email address outside like hotmail,
(28:02):
and I didn't have an extension at the studio because
I wasn't full time. Brandon was the guy responsible for
me getting an interview to do college basketball at ESPN,
and Brandon was my first producer when I got my
first show two thousand and two till two thousand and
three at Wwwis's Sports. And he joins US now from Denver,
(28:24):
where he covers the Broncos. He also has his own
podcast network.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
BK.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
What did you write about for the school newspaper.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I didn't write with the school newspaper. I was in
the football offseason program, so I was just in that
class with you. I think I might have written one
article as like part of an assignment, but I didn't
get published in the school newspaper. And I'd been writing
in Dallas as a kid and was published in the
Dallas Morning News, where I would write articles about wrestling
tournaments that I was in, so I wouldn't quote myself,
but I would quote my teammates and my coach, and
(28:54):
would write features about some of my friends who played
football and went on to play college football. But yeah,
I didn't writ at Golden West. I did know, though,
that I met you that you know, one day you
would work at every single major sports radio network and
you know, beyond March Madness coverage with Charles Barkley and
Kenny Smith and Ernie Johnson and Greg Gumbele. So I
(29:16):
got that sense when you know, when we were fresh
I guess I was a freshman. You were sophomore. But
I was eighteen nineteen, you were nineteen twenty. I was like, oh,
this guy's going to be something.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
My strongest memory of our show at night because I
did the middle of the day's show with Mark Rogers
right the mod squad, and then we had the nightly.
We did a basketball show at night. Remember guys, we
did a basketball show in Oklahoma City at night in
two thousand and two. Now, right now, a basketball show
at night in Oklahoma City is great. Back then, there
(29:48):
were only three sports covered in Oklahoma City radio, football,
spring football, and recruiting, and really was Ou football, Spring football,
and recruiting.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Can I can? I guess? You can? I guess your
strongest memory because lamarrow the scent of marijuana from lamar odom.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
We had he somehow, Brandon has the unique ability to
know everybody and to get into any room. There's never
been an event that I've gone to that he wasn't
able to get into, usually before I could, and I
was invited and had a ticket, and oftentimes he did not,
so he had. I don't even how did you. I
don't even know how you knew lamar Odom. But lamar
(30:22):
Odom was early on in the NBA. He was, he
was on my radio show, and he could not have
possibly been more high, otherwise he would have been in
a coma. That's my strongest wimmer.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
What's weird is if I were to guess how I
knew lamar Odom, it'd be through a friend who I
met after working at the Sports Animal, which why it
makes why why it makes less sense of it had
to be through a third party, somebody that knew him
along the way, because my friend Jonathan grun Faster work
with the Serious when you went on too ESPN full time.
(30:55):
I took a job at Serious Sport Serious XM as
it was getting off the ground, and my buddy Jonathan,
who worked there in at WFN was Lamar's was the
manager at Rhode Island and Lamar had to set up
that first year. So you're driving back the Queens, so
I don't know how we got Lamar Lamont. That's one
that I could rack my brain for hours, and I'm
not really sure, but it's certainly the most memorable that
And I remember playing a lot of pickup basketball and
(31:16):
this guy tried to tell us he played at Portland
or Portland State, and of course we do the research.
He didn't, And he kept calling you a radio DJ.
And then you hit us three to win the game,
and you'd just gotten back from playing in Europe, and
you said, and he's like, okay, come on, mister DJ,
and you hit the shot. I sound like Chuck Wilson
now telling these glory day stories. But you hit the
shot to keep winning or maybe end the day. And
(31:37):
and you go and professional basketball player mf for check
the resume. And I was like, that's a good line.
Check or he said, check the resume mf For. I
was like, that's a good line.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Most times now I just do Hey, hey, Bud, this
is the lowest point of my basketball career, of the
high point of force. Let's let's just let's just let's
just get this thing over with. Was that at the temple.
We played a lot of pickup basketball at the temple
in Oka.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Have I been at the church where we played with
Kelly greg the longtime nose tackle for the for the
Ravens with his brother, So I think that was at
the church. We had about three rounds. We had one
up a temple where that was not much fun for
you except for cardio, and then we had a couple
of church runs Mark Rodgers Hattison one and uh yeah,
it was no. That was definitely at the church. That
was not at the temple.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
The church run was where I met my first bookie
and I actually asked, you, why are they giving that
guy money? They're like, he's a bookie. I was like,
they exist in real life. He's like, yeah, there's a
bookie everywhere I had. I had no idea. I had
no idea.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Well, then then you moved to the East Coast and
they really existed everywhere, and now they're just on your phone.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Correct listen, we got we got to run. I wanted
to have you on to tell you I appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Well, I appreciate I appreciate you because you did help
me get my first radio job. And then when you
went to CBS and I went up there to interview
at CBS Sports radio. You told me not to take
the job and to say in Denver. I took it anyway.
But the second day was there, I called the train
to get my job back. Moved back eleven weeks later
and the rest is history. You know. Was with my
girlfriend now wife. We've got three kids. So thank you
(33:04):
for that, and thanks for ros being a good friend.
And you also have the biggest Green Bay Phoenix fan
in the state of Colorado in my seven year old Leo,
who went to Allen Fieldhouse, a lifelong Jayhawks fan because
his dad, because it's my alma mater, and left a
fan of the opposition, which almost never happens. I have
to think when a kid goes to a school or
goes to Lawrence to watch a game at Allen Field House,
(33:26):
so he's always asking how you're doing it, and he's
very excited that you are six dash seven right now.
So I said, there's gonna be a lot more wins
than that though. In the last one, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
When I walked out Allen Field House, I put on
a Kansas sweatshirt. I was a much bigger fan of them.
B KA, I love you, say hi, do you lovely Bride?
And your kids and tell Leo we need his cheering.
We take on Campbell on Tuesday. Thanks thanks for joining me.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Absolutely happy honkah, happy holladays to you.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Have you heard about the Trainer Games? Add this year
Binge list ten athletes go ahead to head for a
chance to win an iFIT trainer contract. We're two hundred
and fifty grand streaming live on Prime Video starting January eighth.
What's it take to make it well? You gotta have
work at gatty, willing to work when other people are not.
(34:21):
That's really it.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I was very.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Fortunate to not have to grind the way that Dan
Beyer did early on coming up because at being a
former college basketball player and a fairly notable one. I
got a really good shot in Oklahoma City, making way
more money than you normally doing your first radio show,
and then I was on like a rocket rocket ship
to go to ESPN a year later. But I do
(34:45):
think that it's when you do a radio show, a
TV show, when you do anything. Now, coaching a college
buss team, staff is everything surrounding yourself with really good people.
I came here eight years ago. Ryan Music was my producer.
I didn't know Ryan from Adam. What do you remember
Ryan about when we first started linking up and working.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
I will tell you, Doug, it was a great pleasure
to get to work with you and launch the show.
And one of my favorite things about you was, after
being your producer and only knowing you for about three months,
you traveled to Israel to coach the Jewish national team
and you asked if I could drop you off at
the airport. I said, no problem, that's not an issue.
(35:29):
And then as we arrived at the Bourbank airport, you said,
all right, here's my Tesla and have fun for the
next three months. And I was like, okay, I guess
I have myself a brand new Tesla for the next
month or so.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
While you were in Israel, when.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I got Greg, you said you said shakes it one twenty.
I was like, dude, easy, now you're like, yeah, it
shakes it one twenty. I know what's going on there?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yeah? Oh me either.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
I thought Elon had this whole thing figured out with
aerodynamics and rocket ships, but hey, no, listen, Doug, it
was nothing but a pleasure, and obviously great people of
Green Bay have a good one, and know that you'll
only do great things as you lean into this folk
and pursue the building a great program.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Here's the big question we want to ask, Hey, you're
now Collins producer. Do you take his picks as we
do and bet the opposite you fade all of his
picks in his blazing five. If so, you would be
a multi millionaire right now for this year.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Well, Doug, the fact that I am still Collins producer
if that map checks out, probably not actually the case.
It's kind of like if you'd won the power Ball,
you'd probably never see me again.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So well, listen, from humble beginnings, you've become a star
from ce Sun as a volleyball player to my producer
now living in Chicago, living the high life, doing Volume
stuff and Collin stuff. Congratulate Sid everything, and thanks for
joining me, and thanks for all your hard work.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
That's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio coming
up next. There's one individual human being that's changed the
trajectory of my life in sports radio more than anyone else.
Anyone else. I'm gonna say thank you, yeah, thank you,
and we'll go down memory lane of how I got
(37:13):
started in this racket. That's up coming next to The
Doug Gottlieb Show, the Final Show on Fox Sports Radio
Host
Doug Gottlieb
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Betrayal: Weekly
Betrayal Weekly is back for a brand new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-4 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.