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It seems that Kyle Whittingham is to be named as
the new head football coach at the University of Michigan,
sides coming closer to an agreement to make Whittingham the

(01:09):
successor for Sharon Moore in Ann Arbor. Interesting news, an
interesting name, and a very very very very interesting situation
with the Wolverines.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
So I'll be honest in a couple things. One putting
aside the Michigan part for half a second. You know,
it was I think exactly two weeks ago. I seem
to remember it being a Friday that we find out
that Kyle Whittingham will no longer be the head coach
at Utah. And I mean, in my head, I know
that a coach in waiting had been named previously, but

(01:43):
I just said, you know, this guy's in his mid sixties.
The world of college football is changing, all those cliches,
and I said, man, you know, it's a bummer to
see him go. This guy has I think he's been
in the face of the When you think the University
of Utah, you think of Kyle Whittingham. And I think
if you started to listen to the press conference and
the statements. You realize pretty quickly that he didn't necessarily

(02:07):
want to leave Utah, certainly under the circumstances that he did.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
So.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
I got a lot of takes on how it fits
in at Michigan, but I don't think it's often that
the greatest coach in the history of your school pretty
much at the peak, they won ten games this year
day they went ten and two. Their only losses were
to Texas Tech at a BYU. They were clearly still
operating at a high level. They kind of tried to
force him into retirement. He's like, no, I'm not really sure,

(02:32):
I'm ready to retire. And now he certainly upgraded his job,
and I know we're gonna discuss this over the next
few minutes. Michigan I think upgraded at the head coach.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I think it's the best case scenario for Michigan because
there were dream scenarios that just never were going to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Kaylenk, you can go.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Down the list. Let let's let's go down the list.
Like Kaylin de Boorr was not going to take that job.
It was just not going to happen. Once Alabama made
the bracket, I think that that was locked in still
even if they didn't, I don't know if you would
go to Michigan. Kenny Dillingham was another name at Arizona State,
and Dillingham always pointed to being close to his family

(03:13):
and being next door to his sister and that would
be the reason why he would stay. Well, he got
a new contract from Arizona State. But honestly, really, if
you're Kenny Dillingham and you're probably going to be a
top tier head coach in college football and be a
candidate for some of the best jobs out there, is
Michigan at this moment, not overall, but at this moment

(03:35):
one of the top five or ten jobs in college football.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
The reason is no. The answer is no.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
And people will say it's a top three or top
five job when you're not investigating the entire athletic department
it is. That is the reason why. So, if you're
Kenny Dillingham or any other young and up and coming
head coach that is looking for your big break, why
would you go to a place sign on the dotted
line and have no guarantee that the people that brought

(04:01):
you in are still going to be at the with
the athletic department, right that.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Was one of the biggest low key things. So the
cherrollmore firing happens, Okay, we all everybody starts talking about
who's going to be next. As soon as I heard
that an outside law firm was coming in to investigate
the athletic department, my head immediately switched to if you
are a big time candidate that has a good job,

(04:25):
why are you going to leave a job where First
of all, I didn't even know if ward Manual is
the name of the AD. I didn't even know if
he's going to be allowed to make this higher. I
don't even know if he did make this higher. But
I said, that guy, considering everything that has happened in
the athletic department, it wouldn't stun me if he is
not there in six weeks, in six months and whatever.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
And so that is such an important point.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
And also it is an important point out too, how
lucky they got that Kyle Whitningcamp got forced out at
a place that he's the greatest coach ever and still
clearly wanted to coach. But I think that's an important one,
is that the athletic department is being investigated, and I
think it's fair to say there's a reasonable chance that
the ad will not be there in six months, and
so it all worked out very well.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
There's also another trap door where if something scandalous or
something else was going on within the athletic department after
their recent discretions and penalties that were handed down, this
would go along with that. And considering the penalties that
they were already given, if even more was found, there
could have been even more. But that's just going down

(05:29):
the road. It's telling you why no young coach would
take that opportunity to grab the job. So a name
like Jed Fish at Washington, I thought was legit for
a couple of reasons, didn't get the floor Ada job.
I thought that he had spent time at Michigan. He's
around the He's not Kenny Dillingham young, right, he's around

(05:51):
my age, I think late forties, around fifty at that time.
This would be a spot where you're like, okay, maybe
I can maybe I could flatten this this road. I
thought that he was a possibility. He was actually the
person that I thought would ultimately get the job. But
now you bring in Whittingham, maybe willingly to your point
of how the departure from Utah came about. And the

(06:14):
funny thing about that situation is what did we hear
was the alleged reasons or the reasons that we were
guessing why Kyle Whittingham didn't want to be a part
of Utah anymore. Was stepping aside because of the new
private equity, because of the new money, and that that Aaron,
that's the world Kyle Whittingham doesn't want to deal with. Yep,

(06:35):
just doesn't want to deal with at all. So that's
got to be the reason why he's stepping away. And
now a couple of weeks later he's at the Michigan
job with probably access to a lot maybe not money
like coming in that form, but a lot more resources.
It makes a lot of sense for a lot of
different reasons. But that wasn't the reason why he left Utah. No,

(06:57):
I don't think it was.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
I think it was from my understanding is that basically,
you know, listen when you name a coach in waiting
and I you know, we've seen this happen twenty thousand
times in college sports in the last decade, from John
Shyern coach K to Hubert Davis. I guess Hubert Davis
was never technically coach in waiting, but it's happened a lot.

(07:18):
But then the issue does become like at some point
guys got to step away, and sometimes they don't want to.
So my understanding was that he kind of put this succession,
you know what. It almost reminds me of Jim Beheim,
if you remember, put a coach in waiting in place
and just refuse to leave. Yes, Mike Hopkins was the
guy's name. He went to wash it. He wasn't any good.
But my understanding is that's what happened here, was that

(07:40):
it was more of they named the successor. The successor
is a younger dude. He's the defensive coordinator. He's really good.
He's had other opportunities, and basically it just got to
a point where Kyle whitting him for however many years, two, three, four,
whatever it is, has just kind of kept kicking the
can down the road. And I think the school was
one worried about losing the young guy, but to you know,

(08:01):
kind of about a year to year basis.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
So I think that's why he left.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Now I'll say this, Dan, as far as the hire
is concerned, I was thinking about this, you know, the
higher works out well. Besides, given all of the things
that you said about the scandal and multiple scandals and
the circumstances under which he's hired, I think about this,
Is there an argument against Kyle Whittingham other than his age?

(08:28):
And I'm just asking you maybe there is one that
I'm not aware of.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
God, God, I think that. I think the one thing
that stands out to me. And I don't know the
breakdown of how it goes with Utah, but staff wise,
how many are going to stay in Salt Lake? How
many would leave for ann Arbor, how many would stay
with Morgan Scalley if that's what's his staff going to be,
because everybody's not leaving Utah now to go to Michigan.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Well, one quick note on that, Jason Beck did if
the offensive coordinator. There were reports right before we got
on air that he could follow he could follow Kyle Witningham,
which is very interesting because they went to a system
with a very run heavy, run based quarterback this year,
and we know who Michigan's quarterback we assume is gonna
be Bryce. Bryce underwould excuse me really quickly. So the

(09:12):
point I was gonna make, so the staff thing totally fair.
But let's assume the staff isn't totally gutted, and he's
got a higher a staff from new and I'm sure
there's gonna be guys at Michigan that he wants to keep.
If the only argument is he's sort of old and
he's a guy that I wish we could have for
twenty years instead of like five to seven, that's how

(09:35):
you know the higher is good.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Like the if the arguments against.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
The hire were like, well, he's only had one good year,
or he's never been a head coach, or he was
successful at the first job but not the second one.
Those are legitimate things, like Kenny Dilling. We don't have
to go candidate by candidate, right, the only real argument
against Kyle Whittingham is he's sixty six years old, and like, oh,

(10:00):
we might only have them for four years.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
And it's like if that's the only argument, that means
you made a pretty darn good high.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
In my opinion, you needed somebody to navigate this and
navigate it and maybe also win football games. And I
don't think any coach was willing to put their neck
out on the line again of this younger generation to
do so. So you got the best of the best
of the older one and someone that I don't think,
to your point, is gonna want to sit there and
be there for fifteen years. I think they still wanted

(10:27):
to coach. They feel that they've got left a lot
left in the tank. And I'm sure Kyle Whittingham is
now motivated considering what happened at Utah. But if you're
Michigan and you're just trying to hold down the fort
and make sure that the thing doesn't doesn't crumble, which
I don't think is on the horizon, but you just
never know. You have no idea, You have no idea

(10:49):
what could possibly be coming, just like we had no
idea that this situation could happen with Sharon Moore. Maybe
some did it ann Arbor for a while, but we
didn't think it would end up getting to this point.
You've got somebody to at least keep it steady, and
if you can keep it steady in the rough waters,
if that's the analogy here to get you through to
the other end, there's probably no better person to do

(11:11):
it than Kyle Whittingham. In the bonus is winning football
games and having chances to beat Ohio State and getting
into the college football playoffs.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Well, and here's a counterpoint to that is that Michigan,
well it wasn't pretty. They did go nine and three
this year with a coach that was very clearly distracted
on things other than football.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, so if you.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Can go go ahead, right, No, I think you're right.
That's what I'm saying is like he clearly had very
he had very clear interests, and I'm not sure the
Michigan football program was one of them. And they still
went nine and three. So it's like, now you have
an adult in the room that has won. Now I
will say I you know, this was a credit to

(11:53):
our buddy Bernie Fratto. He's pointed this out. The schedule
does get much tougher next year. I think it's Penn
State obviously, Ohio State, UH, Indiana is kind of on.
So like, the schedule does get tougher. But I'm just saying,
if you won nine games this year with a by
the way freshman quarterback but a coach that very clearly
was not fully committed to the job, imagine the possibilities

(12:17):
even if it's an older guy with somebody who is
very much committed to I think you.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Need we do this a lot in the NFL when
we're talking about fourth down plays, What would the other
team want you to do? Sure, and you do the
opposite of that. I think if you were today to
ask any reasonable Ohio State fan how they feel about
the higher A reasonable one, not the delusional one who
thinks that they're gonna win every game or thinks that

(12:42):
that that everybody in ann Arbor should be put in jail.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
That those that's the delusional fan.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Although in some cases they probably should be, as in
the last couple of.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Weeks, maybe as someone who kind of fits that category,
I think, yeah, I don't like it, sure from that
that point of view, because it brings stability, and it
brings it a culture of good football. And I've always
liked Kyle Whittingham, and it's gonna stink to see him
in the amazing blue.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
No, it's it's surreal. But yeah, I think again, And
I know this is the theme. We don't have to
keep beating up on it. But given the circumstances, we
understand the block m the history that this, even the
recent history, the three straight Big Ten championships, it was
at a disadvantageous time to hire a head coach under

(13:29):
disadvantageous circumstances. And I think also there was clearly increasing
pressure to get it done soon because we saw I
think Biff Pogey said it in a press conference, is
like we got guys that are gonna be ready to
opt out, Like like there's a lot of dudes that
are going to be ready to enter the portal or
are just gonna opt out of the bowl game if
they don't get answers because they're not whatever. So all

(13:51):
things considered, it worked out about as well as it could.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
So Jeff Brohm's name was thrown about, sure right, like
that's and and no disrespect to him, But now you're
going down the line of all these coaches and to
come out the end and have Kyle Whittingham.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
So what I mean, Yeah, Like I was somebody that
from the beginning I did feel like Jeff brom would
take the job. Just some stuff that I think I know,
but like he's more in that Jedfish. He's in his fifties,
like it's kind of go time on his career, and
it's like if I'm gonna leave my alma mater, I'm
gonna do it soon. But I think if you had
asked me the day you know, I don't. I don't

(14:30):
remember if Charol Moore was fired before Kyle Whittingham left
or vice versa. But like if you had basically asked
me to day Sharil Moore, hey you can get Kyle
Whittingham or Jeff Brom, I would take Kyle Whittingham.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
So don't There were comments, and I mentioned this on
the show a couple of weeks ago, but when they
played their last game at Rice Ecles, it sounded like
Whittingham knew that that was his last game at Rice Ecles.
So people were starting to connect some of the dots.
It's just not gonna be his Uh, who knows. Maybe
maybe they'll have a non conference game with Utah some
other point. But Kyle Whittingham now finding a new place.

(15:01):
But it was at that point that I think a
lot of people started to realize, oh, maybe Winningham is
done here and he was done in Salt Lake, but
just not done with Jess getting started Baby.

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Speaker 5 (15:45):
What's going on, Aaron, Merry Christmas to you. It's good
to be with you. Was in yesterday. I know you
had a much deserved day off, So excited to be
with you.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Are you and I rocking New Year's Eve too?

Speaker 4 (15:58):
We are back at it.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
I know it's a few days away. Still got a
lot of twenty twenty five left to to, you know,
to get through, not get through that sounds that I give,
But still a lot of twenty twenty five left on
the table.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
But we'll be leading into those college football playoff quarterfinals
games Cotton bowll Ohio State and Miami on New Year's Eve,
and then you have the tripleheader on New Year's Day.
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college football discussion, just a little while ago, we were

(16:32):
talking about the abolishment of the USC Notre Dame rivalry,
at least putting it on hold for the short foreseeable future,
for the next four or five years or so. So
now you've got the comments on why these rivalry games
are going by the wayside, and it's a reason that
My point that I just made to you guys previously

(16:53):
was I think that in college football, we are ingrained
that your rivalry game is the biggest game of the year,
not your rivalry game and your bowl game were your
biggest games of the year. Then your bowl game kind
of started to take less of an importance as the
Bulls got less and less, as we're trying to determine
a national champion where we're getting one versus two. Then

(17:14):
we have a four team bracket. Now we have a
twelve team bracket. But just because there's a twelve team
bracket to maybe erase the importance of a bowl game,
doesn't mean that we're going to adapt to that format
and completely be brought into it. I think fans of
the schools or of the teams are brought into it
and are excited, But as a whole, I think that

(17:36):
a lot of people would sit down and maybe as
a tradition that weren't fans would watch USC Notre Dame,
they would watch Ohio State Michigan, one of the if
not the highest rated games that you get, you know,
year in and year out. So it's still taking some
getting used to to warm up to the college football Playoff,
and I'm not sure if this year's bracket is the

(17:57):
bracket to get people to warm up to the college
football player Off that maybe aren't necessarily as in depth
with the sport as some of us are.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yeah, you brought up the point earlier, the difference between
say you and I that are gonna watch everything. Like
I think Texas Tech is both a good team and
a good watch. I don't know what the average fan does,
And I think it is kind of interesting, like we're
setting up for a world where we could potentially, you know,
and even go back to last year very quickly. Certainly,
there was a lot of talk about the opening weekend

(18:27):
didn't live up to expectations, but we got to a
semi final situation of Penn State versus Notre Dame and
Texas versus Ohio State, which is we all know, four
monster brands, monster fan bases. Whatever, I think we could
be setting up for very possibly a Texas Tech Indiana
semi final here down the road. And so I guess

(18:49):
if you know, listen, I think if you're a fan
of a lot of schools that maybe historically haven't been
the Ohio States, the Michigan's, the Georgia's, the whatever you
gotta feel good of, Like, if Indiana can do it,
why can't we? If Texas Tech, I know they have
a lot of Nio money, but if they can do it,
why can't we. But I do wonder for the overall
quote unquote good of college football if that is a

(19:11):
net positive if we eventually get there, and even frankly,
as we open this tournament, as we're now into this
tournament with Indiana as the number one overall, see.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
I want to bring in Jason Stewart in Iowa, Sam
and Isaac Lohncron as well, just because I think we
all have varying degrees of college football fandom. But in
looking at this, I don't think that there's a quick fix.
What I do like about the New Year's Day is
we do have a triple header of meaningful games, even
if we have to change the kickoff of the Rose

(19:40):
Bowl to an hour earlier, so you're not going to
get that traditional end of third quarter camera shot that
becomes so famous with the San Gabriel Mountains in the
background that has gone by the wayside. It'll just happen
an hour later and maybe the game will be over
and that's where the game will be ending. But there's
a lot of change that comes with all of this.
To your point about the semi finals last next year,
You're right, you really couldn't have picked four better schools

(20:04):
to put in the college football semi final. And I
don't know if there was a carryover effect. I don't
think that there was a carryover effect into the national
championship game of Notre Dame Ohio State. Where again, if
you're picking two programs that are talking about name brands,
like I mean, it's it could be one two two one,
and when you're looking at both of those and I'm

(20:25):
not sure and how much people are looking back and saying, like,
what a great game that was, And that's what I'm
curious about, or a game that they would remember. Notre Dame,
by the way, came back made it a game at
the end. But it's just taken a while for sports fans,
I think and will take a while to warm up
to this, if at all. And that's my question about
this bracket. So that's why I wanted to bring in Iowa.

(20:47):
Sam and Jason and Isaac. I know Jason's point of view, Sam,
are you at least Jason's point of view on the
first round? Are you excited for these quarterfinal games?

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Sam?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
On what we've got coming up on New Year's Eve
and on New Year's Day, Ohio State, Miami, Texas Tech, Oregon, Indiana, Alabama, Georgia,
Ole Miss.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
Outside of Georgia Ole Miss being uh being a repeat,
but but like those are that's that was Old Miss
is one loss, yes, and Georgia looks like they could
win it all. So I even find some intrigue in that.
I'm I'm pretty I'm definitely much. I'm much more excited
about the quarterfinals. I think all of those games have
value and reason to watch, Like Texas Tech to me,

(21:28):
their defense like they're a mystery to me because I
haven't really watched them all year, and then you go
up against Oregon and that explosive offense, the way they
run the ball, that's a great game. And then Alabama Indiana.
It's like, how can Indiana Can they stack up against
physicality of an SEC Alabama team? Ohio State, Miami? I mean,
if Miami is indeed legit, you know it's a that's

(21:50):
a obviously finding reasons to watch all of those games.
And then Georgia Ole Miss for the reasons I just.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Said, Jason Stewart was not a fan of the first
round games.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
What about these quarterfinal games?

Speaker 7 (22:01):
Jason, Well, I'll take it a step further even, and
I guess this will give you my opinion of the
second round.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
There.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
I take interest in these storylines, and the intriguing storyline
to me would be Ole Miss making it as far
as possible, I'm rooting for that team. They they purchased
my interest with the Lane Kiffin thing. And then I
do want to see Indiana. I know, I think your
opinion is that Indiana's got no shot. I'd want Indiana

(22:28):
in the championship game. So I'm pulling for those two
entities in this next round, and then I'll pull for
them in the next round if they advance. But that
kind of gives you the other two. I could, I
could really care less. I think that's that's the determining factor.
Is how do you view Indiana? Great cal And I
think Jason loves the Fernando Mendoza story. Also, the Francisco

(22:51):
Mendoza story. Isn't that underrated part of those fans brother story?

Speaker 6 (22:56):
That's a brother, right, the guy who came in to
take one snap during the big Tension game.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh no, no, sorry has a different guy.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, the U it's inside joke. Do you moving on.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Its baseball player, right, Francisco.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
No, Let's reveal this. This is very interesting to the
listeners too. So you have a lot of tweets that
go viral, Aaron, so I know that you're in a
different class than me. Every once in a while, one
of my tweets gets in the algorithm and it goes nuts.
And I sent one after Fernando Mendoza's Heisman Trophy's speech
where he called out his mother and thanked I thought

(23:30):
that was beautiful. The only problem with my summary was
that I called him Francisco Mendoza. So there's always going
to be that that part of Twitter, and by a part,
I mean ninety nine percent of it. It's going to
catch that and call you racist and don't do all
that stuff. So it was a very touching tweet that
turned racist.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I assumed Twitter was very
forgiving with that.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
With that mistake.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh okay, John was that the word somebody tweeted to
Jason that I I gotta chuckle out of just that
every white guy would be named John. I thought was funny.
But Jason was given no mercy on that. Yet he
loved the Fernando Mendoza story. And I think if you
love the Fernando Mendoza story, you are intrigued by Indiana,
so real quick.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
I don't want to I don't want to steal your
thunder and your take here. There was a line in
the email, the group email, that you believe Indiana has
a zero percent chance of winning the college football playoff.
I want to give you the floor. I know that's
not necessarily where we're going. I would just say, beat
Ohio State on a neutral one at Oregon. Those are

(24:38):
two of the final eight teams that they've already been in.
And I'm not criticizing the take I'm just actually genuinely
curious why you believe there's a zero percent chance if
that is in fact what you know.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's no, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's part of what leads up to what Jason was
talking about this Indiana moment. It's not going to top
winning the Heisman Trophy for Fernando Mendoza. Beating Ohio State
for Indiana was their super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
It was their national championship super bowl because of what
it signified within that conference. Indiana was a top ranked
team all year long. They didn't have to prove anything
nationally to anybody. They were They had the number two
next to their name for I think about half the season.
Right after they beat again ore Agon, they're the second
ranked team in the country Ohio State in the Big Ten.

(25:32):
In Ohio State's dominance in that world, and I'm not
saying they're dominating every year, but they are the marquee
program of the Big Ten. And for Indiana to beat
Ohio State on a neutral field, to overcome the goliath,
if you will, when they're playing that David role, that
is as high as it's going to get. And I

(25:54):
just don't think emotionally you can get up for these
three games. You may match up well with Indiana, you
may match up well with Texas Tech and have an
opportunity to beat Oregon.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Again.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I just think it's the high point of the Big
Ten Championship game. And I also think the landscape of
college football will not allow a team to go undefeated
in a twelve team or sixteen team bracket for the
entire year. And they are the team that right now
the has no blemish in the lost column. And I

(26:27):
think that those expectations are just too much to bear
in this sort of format. So while Indiana may win
the Rose Bowl, by the way, they may have been
better off playing in a Cotton Bowl or in an
Orange Bowl. The granddaddy of them all still carries cachet.
So now there's even more to that. Indiana hadn't been
to a Rose Bowl since what nineteen sixty seven or

(26:47):
whatever the case is, and now you have Alabama coming
to town. That's a lot to carry for a program.
And I just don't think that that program Aaron. It
could have been Indiana, it could have been it could
have been Texas Tech. It could have you put what
Indiana has gone through, Vanderbilt could have put Vanderbilt in there.

(27:07):
Let's say Vanderbilt ran through the SEC and beat Alabama
in the SEC championship game, or Georgia. There's no way
that they're gonna be able to carry that through. There's
just too much, too much emotion. Heck, they suffered an
injury in the celebration of their Big Ten title game, right,
like the these are things that add up. I just
don't think in the stars you have the ability to

(27:29):
win a national championship. For what has all gone right
for Indiana this year?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
All right, I have three points. Okay on that one.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
What you just described is actually Oregon last year, come
to the Big Ten. How are these West Coast schools
gonna match up? They have the big Ohio State win
over Ohio State, then they win the Big Ten championship game,
then they're flat in the Rose Bowl. So there's a
parallel there, hundred percent as far as Indiana specifically, and
by the way, I don't know that I think it's zero,

(28:00):
but I do sort of agree with you that if
I was tiering favorites, I think they'd have to be
probably number three behind Georgia Ohio State, a team they
lost to, maybe even number four behind Oregon, So I
actually sort of agree with you. My two points are this,
and these are both points in agreement with you. One
last night, Christmas night, I was here twelve to four Pacific,

(28:23):
three to seven Eastern.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Go home.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
We get on a zoom with my sister. She's on
the East coast. How are you, how are the kids?
Blah blah blah. This is that while we were on
the zoom, I'm flipping channels because I have add and
I can't just focus on one thing. And the Big
Ten is showing one of those like Big ten and
sixty things, which is just basically big games every meaningful play,

(28:45):
Like just in sixty seconds, they had on the Indiana
Ohio State game, and so I was like, let me
put this on because I was on air during that game,
so I wasn't watching it super closely. I'm doing ten
different things whatever. You realize how many things had to
go right for Indiana to win that game. Besides the fact,
by the way, first ever Big Ten championship game appearance

(29:08):
for Indiana clearly meant more for them than Ohio State.
The game was in Indianapolis, Like, I don't know what
the discrepancy there was, but I'm guessing it was probably
eighty twenty and I know Ohio State travels great whatever,
So the only point I'm trying to make, And then
you watch the game and you're like, oh Ohio State
easily could have won this game, Like if if they

(29:29):
had beaten Ohio State twenty one to three and it
wasn't close, then maybe I could see the thing where, Okay,
it's a big deal, but it's not that big of
a deal. But I think your point about the emotion
of that game is so so so on point of
just like it meant a lots to Ohio State they
were playing a win, but it meant a little bit

(29:51):
more to Indiana. And you could tell in the celebration
for Nanda Mendoza crowing on the field whatever. And then
the last thing I was gonna say, and I'm going along,
so I'll be quick. I The Obama thing to me
is so fascinating because maybe it's my old school college
football brain, but the idea that Alabama and I've seen
fourteen games of them at this point, they're not whatever.

(30:11):
The idea that Alabama is a seven and a half
point underdog to that team is like, mind blowing to me,
like I cannot wrap my head around Alabama with all
these five stars that have accumulated year over year over
year is a touchdown worse than Indiana. So that is
all just me just confirming what you're saying about the
fact that it's a great story in the moment. I know,

(30:34):
I spent about eight minutes setting up the point, but like,
I don't think it's zero percent, but I do think
we're probably gonna look back on the Indiana season and
say that night in Indianapolis was the peak and it
didn't get better from there.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
There's something that Kurt Signetti said on the stand or
the platform when they were given the Big Ten Trophy. Now,
I got to figure out a way to get these
guys likes back down over the next three weeks to
get ready to play. But it's also one hundred percent
the truth. YEA, Like, how in the world do you
do that They've climbed the mountain, just like honestly Ohio

(31:12):
State did the week before against Michigan, Like it was
that game they could not lose that game, that was
the game that they focused. It's no excuse for Ohio State.
He said they had opportunities to win, they didn't. They
missed a field goal late. Indiana made plays in that game,
but it's the overall thing. Indiana is the greatest story,
to Jason's point, but this story has had so many highs.
I don't understand how they can continue on this run.

(31:34):
And so when now, when you're looking at a college
football playoff and we're trying to get people to get
excited about this, Indiana may be the path to do it,
but I'm not sure if they are because I don't
know if enough people are like Jason jumping on the
path of being like man, I love the Cinderella team
because it's very tough to be Cinderella, being number one
and unbeaten and have the best player in college football

(31:56):
by the Heisman standards on your team. But do we
want to see a rematch of Indiana and Oregon in
the semi finals? Do we think Indiana and Texas Tech
is better than an Alabama Oregon national semifinal game? I
don't think so.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, as a diehard college football fan, I would be
more interested in Texas Tech Indiana. While also acknowledging that
ratings do matter. Maybe they're talked about a little too
much in the media, but they absolutely do matter and
Oregon Alabama would be much more intriguing to a much
bigger audience than Frankly, either Indiana Alabama, Indiana Oregon, or

(32:32):
Indiana Texas Tech. Can I make one more point by
the way Jaysu brought up can I I want to
pivot off Indiana.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
So do you have any any other Indiana things?

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Nope?

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Has anyone realized we are? He mentioned the Old Miss story.
We are watching the first ever co parenting situation in
college football. Ole Miss and LSU are co parenting the
offensive staff from Old Miss. Like I was thinking about
that the other day because I saw a story of
like Charlie Weiss is going back to Old Miss to

(33:02):
prepare for the for the whatever Bowl that they're playing
it against Georgia, And I'm like, this is just co parenting.
Like Lane Kiffin dropped him off at the gas station,
Pete Golding picked him up, said, have a good weekend,
enjoyed the holiday. I'll drop him back off with the
portal opens, Like I was just like, this is co parenting.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
I've got who on holidays? On the holiday? Who got who?
That's all question?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Well, Pete Golden got him back because I think Lake
Kifflin got him for like a week of portal prep
and now he's back. I actually also think that's kind
of an interesting thing, like if old Miss were to
continue to win, like I think it was, it was
a cool story that the staff stayed together, and I
will give credit to Lane Kiffin for letting the offensive
staff go back, but I don't think most people acknowledge, like,

(33:45):
like part of the reason that Lane Kiffin was not
allowed to coach Old Miss was because if they go
on a run, you can't have him. And so it's
just like it's cool now if ole Miss beats Georgia
and they're now playing on January tenth or whatever, and
the portal opens on January second, I don't know how
excited Lane Kiffin is about that. And I also don't

(34:08):
know that Old Miss feels like they have the full
attention of those guys preparing for a semi final. But
the counter that is I just think it's very funny
because it's basically Cope.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Let's sell who will be excited.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Jason Stewart and probably a lot of other college football
fans because I think Ole Miss is the story here.
Like in this bracket of they're the ones who are left.
Can they put on the Cinderella run, get revenge against Georgia,
maybe have a matchup against the defending national champion, all
done without their coach. I think that is the story
of this bracket.

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Speaker 4 (34:56):
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Speaker 2 (34:59):
Today, Lions eliminated from the NFC playoff picture with that
loss to the Minnesota Vikings. It's it's always tough to lose,
it's even tougher to lose. To Max Brozmer like that
was that was That was tough one for the Lions
yesterday in the Sandwich game of the triple header, and

(35:20):
then at night you the Chiefs giving all that they
could against the Denver Broncos. But the Broncos continue their
winning ways despite having their losing streak snapped last week.
They bounced back in a short week and beat the
these shorthanded Kansas City Chiefs, which sure seemed like the
farewell to Travis Kelcey. So a lot happening on the
Christmas Day in the National Football League?

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Can I say something really quick on I know we
have a bigger Lions conversation to do as I think we're.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Still waiting for Mark.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
He's coming up, okay, so as we get Mark Dominic ready.
The Lions topic is both fascinating but it's also sort
of not fascinating to me because everyone's like, the Lions,
what happened?

Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's like they whiffed on their OC? Like is it?

Speaker 5 (36:05):
It's not like, you know, like the Chiefs, right, I
think there's like seven holes to plug on that roster
before you're back to where you were.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
The Lions. It's like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
I mean, you may have had a genius savant calling plays.
You you may not get a Ben Johnson again, but
like you know, with due respect to everybody who does this,
I saw so many like how do the Lions fix it?
I don't know, nail the OC and you'll probably be
really good again next year.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
We'll have to get some insights, maybe from a former
NFL GM who joins US now. Mark Dominic is on
the line, as he always does here on Fox Sports Radio,
Mary Christmas, Mark, how are you merry?

Speaker 8 (36:46):
Christmas tells I'm good gets of football for sure.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Absolutely. We were just talking about the Lions, Aaron says.
You know, step one is to figure out your offense
and offensive coordinator and find your eventual real replacement to
be Johnson. Are there further issues with Detroit outside of
what happened at the OC position this year?

Speaker 8 (37:06):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we can be hard. This
is also a Detroit team to put fifty points up
on the board. I think during the season they've dropped
thirty to forty points almost half the year. So this
team has scored points. It's just been frustrated the last
couple of weeks when you put twenty four and then
ten on the board the last two weeks and you're
just not quite scoring enough. I think it's more as
much as it is on offense, I think it's also

(37:28):
on defense. I think it's a little bit of a
combination because if you're scoring on average, if you're scoring
about twenty eight points to thirty points, the game, you'd
think you'd have a lot more victories than eight. At
this point we did the Detroit Lions and and I think,
you know, something's are just falling apart from them. I
look at it a complete like hold tight, let's not
panic here. It's not the season that anybody expected to Detroit.

(37:50):
And that's frustrated across the board. But it doesn't mean
you just need to go throw everything in the boat
and off the boat and say, hey, how are we
going to do everything again next year? Continuity is something
that's nice, and I think for the Detroit lines, in
my personal opinion, I don't think you quickly go out
and do anything else. You know, obviously with John Morton
and what they're going to do, we'll see who they
choose or what they're going to have. They going to

(38:11):
play that out. But Kelvin Shepard, like I said, on
the defensive side, I want as much continue as I can,
So even if it comes from internal, I think that's
important because I think in a year from now we
can look at the Detroit team to go. But they
didn't do a lot yet they've gotten so much better
and I think that's what we can see. The offensive
line to me, is still a spot, especially on the
interior of the offensive line. That's to me where they
really kind of struggled this year, and I think that's

(38:32):
gonna be something they have to address.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Let's stay in that same game.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
I know JJ McCarthy did not play in this game,
and I know he got hurt in the Giants game,
but previous two games before that, five touchdowns, one interception.
You have the big Sunday night win against Dallas. I
under with JJ McCarthy. I understood both sides. Have you
won a million games last year with Sam Donald? Do
you let them walk? Sam Donald's having success. I also
felt like everybody skewed too far the other way because,

(38:57):
in my opinion, he was essentially a rookie quarterback after
essentially taking no snaps last year. Just again, I know
it's hard because he didn't play last night to evaluate him,
the vikings, whatever. I just feel like I still feel
like there's a lot of chapters to be written in
the JJ McCarthy, you know, story, before we just write

(39:18):
him off as his total bus.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Do you agree?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Disagree?

Speaker 8 (39:20):
I do agree, and you know I want to give
him another full season, just like you know, I'd like
to see, you know, a couple more seasons out of
Caleb Waves before I just write the checkbook right, it's
and it's with JJ certainly not the season that I
thought he'd have. I thought he'd have a little bit
better season. But his big thing is you know, availability
is a big part of this game, as we all know.
And I think one of the things that's really frustrated
from Minnesota and their fans is to watch how many

(39:42):
times their quarterbacks got hit this year. I mean, I
think they gave up over almost sixty sacks on the season,
So I don't know who you're going to put back there.
That's a big problem they have to address in this
offseason as well. And I know it's never exciting or
sexy to draft an off into the line of the
first or second round. You never get the good you know,
post draft grades. You didn't draft the receiver that every
likes at the tight end or the big pass rusher.

(40:03):
But you know, the offensive line is so critical. And
if you take a step back and look at Caleb
Williams and what he's done in the Bears, a lot
of it has to do with what the Bears did
this offseason on that offensive line. This has really been
a catalyst for that team.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Mark Dominic joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
erin Torres. I'm Dan Byer, Mark, former GM of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'm curious with your twenty plus years
experience in front offices. It's not a chicken in the
egg sort of deal. But we had Chris Oladokin starting
last night for the Chiefs. We had Max Brozemer starting
for the Minnesota Vikings. We got Brady Cook starting for

(40:38):
the New York Jets. Dolphins have turned to Quinn Ewrs.
I understand why the Dolphins made the decision that they made,
but there seems to be a real question on the
quality of quarterback play when we're getting down to second
and third string quarterbacks. Has this always been an issue?
Does the NFL have to figure out a way to
develop these quarterbacks so we're not watching guys you really

(41:00):
can't throw the football. What has been your experience with
the I guess limitations in trying to develop to develop
guys to play that important position.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Yeah, I look at this. That's tough on Dan because
I look at it and see, since you know, the
the practice squads have been expanded and the amount you're
easily able to keep one or two extra quarterbacks maybe
on your private squad as you work with them and
develop them. But there's such a difference, as you guys know,
between hey, great rep and practice where you can't lose
the game, and there's a rep in the regular season

(41:32):
where you can. And it's just you know, the processing
and the development. I think we're going to be okay.
I think the more important part of this league is, yes,
you have your quarterback. But I think clubs have kind
of taken it for granted, like, Okay, you know we're
going to spend fifty five million dollars in a quarterback,
and then we're going to go buy the left end
and the wide receiver and instead not thinking maybe you
should have another twelve million to fifteen million dollars based

(41:55):
on that second string quarterback. Because in case of I
don't want to look to my owner and say the
season's over. I want to be able to say, hey,
look we can battle through this and maybe could the
other side, maybe an injury for our quarterback isn't that bad,
or we can still win with this guy, and we're
gonna have to have everybody else step up and he
might not be the quarterback, might not be the reason
we're winning, but we win with him. And so that's
what I think clubs have to look at, is what

(42:17):
do I want to invest in the number two And
it's not Maybe it's not a young guy, depending on
who your starter is, but maybe it's that veteran. It's
that guy that's played around a little bit that you said, hey,
look a Davis Mills, right, something like that. Even a
guy that's battled injuries is young. Still Aidan O'Connell who's like,
I'm not sure what he is or who he is,
but boy, when he played, he's still got a better
touchdown to interception ratio, and Davis Mills the same way.

(42:39):
So I think you got to look at those type
of players and say, maybe the investment should be a
little bit stronger there based off where the CAP's going
to make sure that if my star quarterback isn't able
to be there for four weeks or eight weeks, I
still can take this team and get to the postseason
and show something. So I think investing in trying to
allocate those funds towards that number two quarterbacks still is
really critical. And I think clubs are starting to see

(43:00):
that again.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
So then basically we're just kind of we're kind of
at the mercy of what a third string quarterback is
because that's kind of how it looks like there's nothing
that the Vikings could do. Really, I just don't want
to watch Max Brosmer run for his life every time,
but it kind of seems like that's kind of what
we have to deal with in the NFL.

Speaker 8 (43:19):
Dan, I think you're right, you know, and I think
part of that is, you know, one less preseason game,
and one day we're gonna have one less preseason game.
We'll have the two preseasons at some point, and part
of that's going to be that you can't beat experience.
And for these young quarterbacks in the league that are
like I probably won't play, he's taking the third step
the reps. You know, he's just doing scout team. You know,

(43:40):
he's pretending to be the starter for the other club.
So he's not even really working in his own offense.
He's working with the other offense does and so they're
not getting the reps to be able to say, hey,
look if it's my turner, I get my number called
and I'll be ready to go. And so for like
Max and things like that, he's been running the scout
team all year. He's pretending to be the Bears and
the Lions and the Packers and instead now he's gotta
be the Vikings. And that's hard. And we saw that

(44:03):
last night with you know, like you said, you're running
around and hopefully to make enough plays that they can
stay in it, and defensively they did.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Mark.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
Let me ask you this, there's a excuse me, a
little bit of a hot internet rumor right now, or
an internet conversation happening. Obviously, the Giants right now are
trending to potentially get the number one overall pick. Jackson
Dart a little bit of a concussion issue or at least,
you know whatever, he's susceptible, whatever, And it feels like
there is this conversation of one year in do you

(44:33):
trade Jackson Dart and use that number one pick hypothetically
on Fernando Mendoza. Now I understand probably to this point
you haven't done a ton of homework on Fernando Mendoza.
You're focused on the season going on. But as a
former GM, it feels, let me put it this way,
It feels like this is one of those great Internet
conversations that outside of Kyler Murray and Josh Rosen, I
don't really ever remember happening when you draft a guy

(44:55):
you don't really know much about him and you immediately
draft over him. I don't even know really what the
question is, but I just think it's one of those
that sounds like a fun topic and a fun discussion
in December that doesn't really come to fruition in April.
Do you have any thoughts on what the Giants codor
should potentially do with that first pick if.

Speaker 8 (45:13):
They get I get yeah, and I appreciate it. I
do think there's some fun there. But I also look
at Jackson Dart and and you know, when we talked
about you know, the you know, you know kJ McCarthy
and his touchdown interception ratio, and I know that's an
easy number to look at for any fan, but at
least Jackson's was thirteen to five, right, And so You're

(45:33):
you're sitting there going, well, you know, yes, she's got
to find a way to learn how to slide, like
we've we've heard that before as well, and I think
Jackson can be taught that to make sure that he
stayed in the game. I would have a hard time
walking away from Jackson Dart right now and taking Mendoza.
I have not done enough work on Mendoza as a person.
You know, there's still questions on you know, what's he

(45:54):
like as a leader, what's he like as a guy
in the locker room. I think those are really big
questions that as fans we haven't dug into that. And
I'm not saying there's something bad there. I'm just saying
the capability the leadership of a player and how he
leads a team and what the team around him thinks
of him is critical. I fell into that trap a
little bit. I had a young quarterback who was outstanding
in terms of athletic gifts and arm talent and quarterback

(46:17):
skills in Josh Freeman, but he wasn't a great leader,
and you know that costs over time, that cost me,
And so I'm very sensitive that I would like to
know that about Mendoza. I just don't know what that
is yet. And I've got a little caution there just
because and so I think jack Jackson dark the bigger
thing is like, can you get him some more another weapon?

(46:37):
You know, is it the wide receiver, because it's a
really good receiver class, is it? You know, I don't
know if there's nothing to line, but I think it's
better for the Giants to have the chatter is how
far can they trade back in the first and hopefully
find a taker for the number one pick and still
get the player they want, Because that's where you've got
to really balance it, right. You can't just I'm going
to trade back to thirteam because that's the best offer.
It's like you still want to walk out with a

(46:58):
guy that's going to make a huge impact because you
have to win in two thousand and twenty six, especially
for the GM. So I think that you've got to
find out where your line of you know, demarcation is
in terms of where the skill set's still elite. And
I still feel like I'm getting the top player versus,
you know, just trade to trade, and I think that's
what the Giants, that's what we'll be talking about if

(47:18):
the Giants hold onto this pick.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I got one last one for you, Mark Dominic joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. There are some rumblings
in Baltimore this week. There have been rumblings over the
last couple of weeks. Has a player ever set a
practice schedule for a team in your history in the
National Football League? Because that was alleged in a column
in the Baltimore Sun that the Ravens practice in the
afternoon because that's when Lamar Jackson wants to practice. There

(47:40):
were other claims made about Jackson's preparation and maybe falling
asleep in movies, but the practice time was something that
alerted me. Has that ever happened in your experience in
the NFL?

Speaker 8 (47:52):
No, nothing like that. The coach coach handles that and
make sure that's happening. And I know there's a rumors
and stuff about ball. Possibly if he got let go,
he'd be picked up in two seconds as a head
coach somewhere else. I don't worry about that. That is
surprising to me. I don't know if I completely agree
with that. I'm sure you're trying to find the right

(48:13):
balance of right rhythm, but I've never ever heard of
a story like that before. And I will say, you know, obviously,
the Giants play the Raiders, and I just feel like,
in the end, it's not gonna be just sexy. But
I think the Raiders end uputing the number and picking
the draft.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Interesting all right. He's Mark dominic our NFL Insider. We
appreciate the time. Happy New Year, Mark. We'll talk to
again in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
Thanks for having me on guys. Happy New Year fellows.

Speaker 9 (48:38):
Ryan Kennedy, he is the Detroit Lions fan who was
involved in that physical confrontation with Steelers receiver DK Metcalf
leading to Metcalf being suspended for two games, held a
news conference where he denied Metcalf's accusation that he used
a racial slur during the confrontation.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
Listen, it is really hard to get me upset.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
But there's two things.

Speaker 10 (49:03):
Animal abuse racism. Like I get hot right away, like
I could feel it my face, it gets all warm.
I didn't use any racial slurs, no hate speech. I mean,
none of that stopped at the game. To Kaitlin, if
you're watching this, man, if you could just say that, please, Like,
my family's getting threats and stuff and it's not cool.

(49:25):
So I'm sure you didn't want that to happen to
the family.

Speaker 8 (49:28):
That's all I got. Go Lions, oh boy.

Speaker 9 (49:31):
Final footnote on that. Mister Kennedy conducted the news conference
while wearing a Lions cap backwards back to you guys.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
I actually saw that clip.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
I was like, I am sure the Lions are over
the moon that he is wearing team paraphernalia while he
is prescofference.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Sticking to the sticking to the bit. Do we want
to dive into this? You guys have thoughts on that
at all.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
I had a lot of thoughts we should get to
it in the next three hours. But I just like
the fact that he's somebody demanding that at the very
least DK say he never said.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
That, Yes, but but saying it in the reason and
calling him to kaelin, which is the reason why DK
was mad in the first place, is him also sticking
to his guns in saying that what he said was
not wrong.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I think that there's that way of weaving in and out.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Iowa, Sam, you mean his gun that's made out made
into like a balloon animal because this guy's a clown.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Oohow, Like, I'm.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Sorry what happened with DK did was clownish, But this
guy is a clown. Okay, because he may be innocent
of this, but this guy is still going around and
antagonizing players. If you are that kind of person. That's
clownish behavior. I'll say that like I've been. I've been
on jumping back and forth like rope on this story
because I thought the guy was a clown for saying
anything that would make a player respond. And then I

(50:53):
heard what was said, and then heard what was alleged
and didn't believe for a second that he said the slur,
the derogatory term. And then when he goes back to
the press conference in the sticking to his guns by
calling him to Galen.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
But that's all right, what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Yeah, we're going back and forth, like you really want
him to come out and say the truth, and you're
going to call him by his government name. You really
think that's going to help your help the matter.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
No, it's that's clownish behavior. It's continuing on and on