The Truth About The Raptors & The Bucks

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There was some other stuff going on right in your
life in world Major League Baseball? Um, I know there's

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some TV shows that I have not caught up on.
You know, Big Bang Theory apparently came to an end
a couple of nights ago. Was that last week had
no idea? It's okay it's it's on in um what's
it called the ramos? When you syndication right, those shows
like Seinfeld, I feel like they never went away. Did

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you watch the NBA Playoffs last night? Game four Eastern
Conference Finals? If you didn't, Toronto one, Norman Powell was
had kind of a breakthrough game. Fred VanVleet, who had
been struggling the playoffs, made some shots, made some plays,
and Kawhi Leonard, despite being injured or excuse me hurt,

(01:47):
played well enough to win. Meanwhile, Milwaukee Bucks struggled to
make shots again. But I found myself really, really really struggling.
I love basketball, and I'm watching Kawhi Leonard, who, for
my money, is one of the top three players in
the game. There's the irony to the fact that he

(02:09):
missed most of last season with an injury that the
Spurs thought he had already come back from, and last
night he was playing clearly dinged up, which I'm not
sure if it's exchange rate or the Canadian healthcare policy
or whatever it is, but it is interesting that he's

(02:30):
playing hurt in playing for Team Canada, whereas he didn't
seem to want to play hurt playing for the San
Antonio Spurs. Granted, different injuries, but it's at least interesting.
Uh Jana Stonakopo continues to struggle with his shooting and
doesn't appear to be totally ready to be a breakthrough

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superstar in the playoffs, but nonetheless he got two of
the top five top ten players in the game. You
have the Toronto Raptors, who, hell as late as last
year had the best record in the NBA. The Milwaukee
Bucks had the best record in the NBA this year.
I'm excuse the Raptors last year best record in the

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Eastern Conference, and so it's not like they're totally Johnny
Come Lately's, but I just struggled with the lack of
kind of brand identification. That's really what it comes down to,
right It's it's like when there's a new car on
the market, like, yeah, I need to see some consumer reports,

(03:37):
reviews before I really decide whether or not I'm going
to get in it. Now. It's take the Volvo for example.
Right now, Volvo has kind of switched hands a couple
of times over the last twenty years in terms of
who owns the company. But you already have established in

(03:57):
your mind what a Volvo is when I say Bova,
what do you think, like, Man, that's a safe car.
That's a boring safe car. Right. So even if they
make they make some beautiful sedans. Now that makes some
cool SUVs. You can't get out of your mind. The
branding that has been established correct a Chevy Impaula. Now

(04:22):
the Impala now is really just kind of a family
commuter sedan. But if you're my age, you remember about
twenty years ago they came out with UH and Impaula.
That was im Paula's supersport that had like a Corvette engine.
And if you're an old time you remember the Impaula
as a souped up, souped up car. Right again, the

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the brand identification with the name. That's smart and it's interesting.
My favorite show that I've been binge watched and I've
I didn't watch Breaking Bad when Breaking Bad was the thing.
It was like a couple of years later. I didn't
watch The Wire when The Wire was the thing. It
was a couple of years later. I didn't watch mad

(05:04):
Men when mad Men was the thing was a couple
of years later. I'm now binge watching with my daughter,
UH The Office. It was great Uh. Last night we
we watched um Cafe the Cafe Disco one. Do you
guys remember the Cafe Disco one? Cafe Disco is awesome,
but my favorite one was mad Men. And I have

(05:25):
a marketing degree, fascinated by ad sales and advertising. I'm
also interested in kind of that era in society, and
I liked the storylines. But but part of what you
learn is about how the genius of advertising is creating

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an image that locks in with the brand. And we
just haven't had enough time to understand who the raptors
are or to really get our arms around the Milwaukee Bucks.
And it's not their fault. They're not bad, They're really good,
but because they haven't been really good at a high

(06:09):
level for a long time, I just find myself struggling
to buy into watching it. Like being with an established
brand matters, and I think this is all throughout sports,
Like this offseason, it's gonna be gonna be fascinating, Like
are you are they really going to advise Kevin Durant

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or Kawhi Leonard to tie in with the Clippers brand? Ran,
Like do you really want to tie in with the
Clippers brand? Because even though I have great respect for
what they're doing, Like that is a really well run franchise.
They got rid of their three best players over the
last two years, and the appear to have come out

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the other side as a playoff team with a championship
caliber coach, with championship caliber management, with an owner everyone's
seems to like and just loves being an owner of
a team cap space and and even though there's still
the third tenant in their arena, they might be the
favorite to get Quiet Leonard and maybe Kevin Durant, Like
that's crazy. On the other hand, still the Clippers, like

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the Nets, have the same problem in Brooklyn, whereas the Lakers,
with all of the issues that they have, they're still
the freaky Lakers. Heck, I can make the case Juwan
Howard is gonna be the new head coach the University
of Michigan. And I've told people for the twenty years
or so, almost twenty years I've been out of school, Like,

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I don't think people will understand the true value to
a college scholarship is you get to identify with that
school's brand for the rest of your life. Juwan Howard
has He's only getting that job for one reason, he's
a Michigan man. I'm not saying he's not qualified. I'm

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not saying he's not gonna do a good job. Don't
get it twisted. But had he not gone to played
at Michigan and established his own brand as part of
the Fab five and to Final four's and then gone
on to be a brilliant professional player and now an
assistant coach in the pros, he would have no shot
if he didn't go to Michigan. And I think it's

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a good thing. You bring a Michigan guy home becomes
I believe the only Power five Conference school to have
a Michigan up as an alum as football and basketball coach.
Hardball now the obviously the football coach. But branding is real.
We can pretend like it doesn't matter, but it's a

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real issue and also a real strength depending on who's
actually playing. Take Adam Silver's word for it. This was
Adam Silver who was asked on the Today Show the
mainstream TV about ratings being down because Lebron wasn't in
the playoffs. Lebron is one of the biggest stars in
the world and he also played in the East and

(09:02):
so you know the reason I look a little bit tired.
Is a lot of our games are in the West,
and it's late at night, and I recognize most people
choose to go to sleep at a reasonable time, and
so from a rating standpoint, not having Lebron in the playoffs,
not having him in the East has clearly impacted ratings.
If you start a game at six pm local time
in the West, it's not the most convenient thing. It's
not that as convenient for a television watch on the

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West coast either, But when you look at the league
from a national standpoint, it may make sense to play
a little bit earlier in the West. And that's something
we're going to talk to our teams about this summer.
We're gonna take a look at it. Yeah, we're gonna
take a look at it. Is Uh, it's like when
you're a parent and you say maybe my kids always
said that. Don't say maybe. Maybe it means no, I
take a look at it. Do I can have dinner?

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Can I have a dessert? We'll take a look at it.
Maybe that's a no. You gonna move your games at
six o'clock. We'll take a look at it. We're gonna
look at at the summer. Take a look at it.
Maybe that's not happening. Look, these two teams Milwaukee and
Toronto are better than Lebron's Cavaliers team last year, but
fewer people will watch. Why Well one is north of

(10:07):
the border, the other ones in in Milwaukee. But too
they're not established brands. The Celtics are an established brand.
They are. Lebron is an established brand wherever he goes
his brand, his winning makes you want to watch. The
Warriors have become an established brand through five finals in

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a row. So I find myself watching two of the
elite teams in the NBA, and I've heard other people say, well,
there's the water down NBA, Like, no, it's not. These
are just two of the best teams. You're just not
used to. The Sixers were really good this year. The
Celtics were really pretty are and good this year. Those
four teams are good in the West, they're good in

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the East. I would make the case that the West
wasn't is it nearly as strong as the as it
used to be, and the East was far better. Why
do you have this embedded your brain that the West
is so much better branding? They've won fourteen the last
twenty NBA Finals more than anything. It's been pounded away
year after year and it just takes time. So me

(11:12):
is that as an avid basketball viewer, an avid basketball viewer,
a former fan, I mean a former player who covers it,
knows the coaches and those players. We had a couple
of coaches on Monty Williams and um, who else do
we have on yesterday Frank Vogel on yesterday download the
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it's suddenly become a two to anyone can take this series.
That Toronto's finally got Fred van Bleet plan, finally got
some contributions from their bench Norman Powell, and even though
Kauai has banged up, they're winning the last two games,
and their defense has been excellent in the Milwaukee returns home,
and you would expect them to play far better at home.

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It's become anybody, it should be super exciting. I can't wait.
And I'm like, because whether it's a sports sprain or
just my regular brain, I have trouble with the lack
of branding and established winning presence, not necessarily culture, but mindset.

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As a fan of either one of these teams, there's
just no buy into him because I haven't seen him
do it before. And then I guess the question for
the NBA is do the do the Bucks become the
Spurs or the Thunder? Right? I mean, they're coached by
a former Spur assistant, and Jana seems like like Tim

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Duncan to be about the right things and not necessarily
about publicity, even though he does have some TV commercials
and there's always gonna be some limitations market size wise.
But the Thunder only got to one NBA Finals, but
seemed to become far more watchable, even if they don't
nearly have the winds to back it up like the

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like the Spurs do. And if the Raptors don't win
this series, are they forever like the Cleveland Cavaliers of
the nineties, not even the Knicks or the Pacers, who
both got to an NBA finals. The Cavaliers, remember, they
used to have a loaded roster, but they could never
get past Jordan's And now with this era is Jordan

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Lebron out of the East. They can't get past the Bucks.
They're forever kind of mired in that really really good
but not great category. I struggled yesterday I'll struggle to
recap it, to pay attention to it, even though I
would tell you Kawhi Leonard and Janice are two remarkable stars,

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and these are two really good teams. But the Raptors
haven't been able to establish themselves as winners, and the
Bucks just haven't been doing it long enough for most
of us to buy in. Longtime NBA insider Rick Buker
joins the show. Come next, I'll ask him if he's
changed his opinion of this series based upon the last

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two games in Toronto. Has won? Also, is he buying
that Kevin Durant is really considering the Clippers and is
open as his manager said. So, going back to yesterday, plus,
how do we categorize Steph Curry and Draymond Green? Who

(14:29):
is more of the breakthrough superstar for that Warrior's team.
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Fox Sports Radio. I do think the earlier start time
which the NBA is talking about and oh, we're gonna
do to start games earlier, Like you're not gonna get
people in the building. I'm not gonna get people in
the building. You're just not How do I know this, Dude?

(15:38):
I watched packtwelve basketball. No one goes, No one is
there at six o'clock. Do I think they should be there?
Like the logic should be like, Hey, your arena's downtown,
you get off work at five, you go grab a pop,
you stroll in the arena. Maybe, but it doesn't ever

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seem to work out that way. Here's the thing, and
this is important for Adam Silver, this is important for
people who write about in the media. That's important for fans.
Stop listening to people bitching. They'll complain about anything, Oh,
the games, because then you start doing it's too early.
I can't get there. It's too late. Go with what

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the numbers tell you. You use the math. This is
it's really interesting to me that pro sports franchises are
smartly using analytics, right, they're using analytics to decide how
they play their sports. That's what's happened in baseball. Did

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you guys see that? Um only forty eight games in
the Orioles have already surrendered a hundred home runs. That
is a nuclue loose like new league record. Part of
it is the Orioles are terrible. Part of his the
balls have always flown flown out of that that park. Uh,
fences are low and they're kind of in But part

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of most of it is just they're terrible. But also
it's that uh, it's that teams have gotten smart and
they tell their players like, hey, dude, we don't need
any of these dinking dunk groundball with eyes. The defense
is too good. It's too good, so why don't you
hit it where they ain't, like over the fence. And

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over one third of the at bats in Major League
Baseball are either strikeouts, walks or home runs. That's all
analytics pictures, of course, are pitching for strikeouts. They're throwing
harder and trying to hit spots more, which also causes
them to be able to throw fewer pitches and we're
out their arms all because it's a smarter way to

(17:50):
play the sport. And of course we see this in
the NBA. We we had Frank Vogel on yesterday and
Fan Bogle is just like I thought. The best part
of the conversation was how here he is as a
defensive guru. He's like blown away by how the league
has changed. It is completely wide open. Five guys outside

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the outside the three point line, drive and kick in
different movements and different rotations. It's a different sport than
used to be. And it's all based upon analytics. What's
amazing about it is analytics just a clever name for like, hey,
let's just use the math and let the math tell
us what we should be doing. The same thing should
be true with when you put a game on TV.

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If you put it on later, they'll bitch and complain
about it, but you know what, more people will watch it,
and the reason they're not watching the NBA is not
because of the time of the games in the East
or the time of the games in the West. It's
Lebron's not in the East anymore and currently not in
the playoffs. If Lebron was on the Lakers and they're

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playing the Warriors and they're on at one in the morning,
people are watching now. Not as many will watch in
the East, you know, at one in the morning, as
they will at ten or eleven at night, but they'd
still be watching. You took one of the biggest stars
in the world in sports and he's not even the playoffs.
You think that's gonna hurt their numbers. Then the thunder

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are out. That's got Russell Westbrook. Then the Celtics are out.
That's a big name and a big name franchise. And
of course they got Kyrie Irving and other names that
you want to watch. And you replaced it with a
market north of the border that doesn't rate in the
United States and Milwaukee, which even if I could try

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and convince you like a Milwaukee is almost a suburb
of Chicago. That's the truth. Hour and a half. Basically,
suburb shop doesn't matter Chicago sports fans. That's the second
city in the country. They don't. They don't claim Milwaukee
is their own. And you have you know, Kawhi Leonards

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a star but doesn't doesn't say much. Janice isn't from here.
And though there's a little bit of a sideshow them
into like wow, the Greek Freak hasn't yet gotten to
that superstar status. This is the first year they've won
a playoff series one a playoff serves period, so you

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can freak out and go, oh my gosh, there's so
much noise about start times of West Coast games and
I can't stay up, Like, look, dude, if it was
the Nuggets taken on the Trailblazers, nobody's gonna watch that.
I don't care if it's on two hours earlier or
five hours later. People want to watch the Warriors, they

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want to watch Lebron. They'd watch Russell Westbrook, maybe a
little Damon Lillard, Kyrie Irving and Ben Simmons and Joel
Embiid and you know, you start to get to established
name stars and you don't have that many, and moving
guys from the East to West is hard. But if
you go and you want people in your building, don't
have games at six o'clock on a on a weekday
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M hmm. I'm fascinated by this latest report about Kevin
Durant and that Mark Stein reporting that per Rich Cleman,

(22:58):
his manager, he's a hundred percent open to where he's
gonna play next year. Kendrick Perkins on Fox Sports and
Fox Sports One, um has been saying Katie may come
to the Clippers, And I've been saying this all year
as a guy who's been through contract negotiations and thought

(23:21):
and been through any sort of free agency. When you're
six months out, you think one thing. When you're three
months out, you think another thing, and then you get
to nut cutting time. You get to the time where
you gotta make a decision. Sometimes you think a couple
of everything, and you know there are times in which
you go like, you know, I don't actually want to
leave now. I do believe he can be swayed based

(23:49):
upon how this thing ends. If we would have gone
back before the calf injury, by my estimation, Warriors would
have a really good chance to keep him because they
became so dependent on k D. And after Game six
in Houston, I would make the case that all of
their remarks afterwards, the miracle win or the feeling like, man,

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we just survived, dodged a bullet, those are the marks
of a team that knew how valuable he was. And
the reality of the four game sweep. They trailed for
a hundred one minutes, they led for eighty three minutes,
Like anyone with any sort of brain knows like that is,
you are daring somebody to beat you when you get

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down seventeen, eighteen and seventeen points in your last three games.
But if he doesn't play in the finals or if
they win in the finals. When he doesn't play, now
a sudden, it's like, we don't really need you, even
if everybody knows they need him. I also think he's

(24:58):
running into the he is no perfect spot. And Kevin
Durant is also a listen to social media guy way
too much. Don't believe me. He's currently in a Twitter
beef with Chris Broussard. Christmas Are went on Undisputed earlier
today and said, you know, he's had a long conversations
via text with Kevin Durant about life and religion and everything,

(25:23):
and Durant called him a liar on social media and says,
you don't have my number. Brussard came back at him
like Instagram, d M, d M all the same to me,
which essentially tells you how Kevin Durant communicated with him.
But the point is why is KD have a Why

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does he have to defend himself on social media? Like
why why is he doing? But that's who he is,
and he's he's paying attention to everybody and everything that's
being said, and the only reason the two reasons you
wouldn't go to New York would be one. Everybody hates
their owner. At the end of the day, owners own
and even if the owner doesn't have any sort of

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daily involvement now doesn't mean he can't, especially if they
start winning. Like James Dolan shows up at games, and
James Dolan sits there and occasionally ejects somebody from a game,
but he does not have an operation. He's not part
of the day to day. But if James Dolan wants
to be like Drake and go around a massage dudes
and call attention to himself at a Knixt game, you

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know what, he can do whatever the hell he wants
because he owns the team. And I'm sure social media
would call Kevin Durand to sell out if he goes
to work for James Dolan and he seems to be
reactive to social media. Right, then there's the Nets who
seem to have a really good thing going with or
without k d and Kyrie Irving, but they're also the Nets.

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Brooklyn is cool. Brooklyn is actually more expensive than most
any other part of Manhattan to live in. And it's
not on thee in Manhattan, but it's not on the
island Manhattan. It's the Nets. The same goes to the Clippers,
and you could just stay home and or stay in
Golden State and go to San Francisco and you know,

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live your life, win championships. I would agree that he's
there is no perfect spot. He has not decided. He
probably thought he wanted New York and has been was
swayed to New York. But because of social media and
just the regular mainstream media being kind of tedious to him,
I'm sure that's the biggest reason for the pushback. Yes, right, music.

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So if we all think that Kevin Durant is very impressionable,
like I know Marcus Thompson's talked about that, we feel
like the whether it's a lot of the outside forces
in his life can sort of determine what way he
wants to go. Do you think there's any chance the
wisdom right now says Kevin Durant won't go to the

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Lakers because why would he want to help Lebron James
continue to get more rings than Durant has. But if
Lebron himself approaches Durant and and is able to pitch
him on joining the Lakers, and you know, whether it's hey, look,
we can take down the Warriors, then you can stick
it to them and whatever. Do you think there's any

(28:21):
chance that Lebron could be a type of person to
approach him one on one to convince him, Hey, joining
the Lakers is the best thing for you. Yeah, I don't.
I don't like. I I do think that if Lebron
wants to fix this thing, he's gonna have to fix
it on his own, and it's something that he has
not shown the ability to do. He claims that he
tried to recruit in Cleveland. Man, it was just Cleveland.

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Remember that that interview he had. All Right, so now
it's l A and maybe the dysfunction will keep other
people away. But if Leron is like, look I got this,
it's l A. If Lebron doesn't get players, it's on Lebron,
because I don't think anybody thinks that, you know, whether
it's Durant or Kyrie Irving are gonna sit down and go, hey,
you know what, Linda Rambis is the reason I'm coming

(29:04):
to l A. Like, we all know, it's gonna have
to be Lebron. I just don't know if if he
would be able to convince someone like Durant, if he
could be I don't know. I guess it would be
not in his nature to be self deprecating and humble
about it. But if anyone can be convinced of something,
it would be Durant or it would be Kyrie, two

(29:26):
dudes who kind of go whichever way the wind blows.
I completely agree the I mean, look, that's one of
the things that made makes Tim Duncan so special. Tim
Duncan remember said LaMarcus Aldridge, come play on my team
and you can eventually take my spot. Right, Steph Curry
went out and recruited, got on a plane on what

(29:48):
was it, fourth July weekend and flew out to the Hamptons,
and they asked Kevin Rant come play with our team,
Staph Clay, Draymond whatever. But like Steph Curry, like a superstar,
who's going willing to do that? That shows people what
you're made of. So I don't have any sympathy for

(30:08):
Lebron if he doesn't get it done. You know, now,
look if he reaches out and he makes it if
I'm if I'm if im Lebron, I'm going all in.
I'm using social media, I'm doing all the things these
guys done. For example, to get Juwan Howard the Michigan job.
You know, Chris Webber and Lebron and Jalen Rose. Right,

(30:30):
they've gone out like, hey, you should you need to
hire Juan Juwan Howard. They got it done. Those are
big powerful names. You want to get this thing done.
I mean, that's what I would do. That's what I
would do. I would use every resource I have. Start
calling guys in Hollywood. You know who are your Are

(30:55):
you a Leo guy? I'll have Leo call you. Do
you can do the three way calling things? Your dad
ever do that? My dad did that. It was so uncomfortable.
Here here, here, here, it's Leonardo DiCaprio. Say Hi, I
just wanted to say, he wants to meet you. Just
say hi on the phone. Hi. Sorry, I know we're
actually meeting each other, but Hi, I uh are we

(31:19):
getting Buker next? Is that? What's the story? No? Buker?
He U currently cannot be found, currently cannot be found.
All right, Well, he's normally on speak for yourself, but
right now I'm watching Manny Manny pakiall and speak for yourself.
That's pretty awesome. And Keith Thurman. I love Keith Thurman.
He's a great dude. I've hung out with Keith. They're

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(33:26):
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in twenty nineteen, Doug, is this real news or fake news?
Real news? It is fake news, Commissioner Roger Goodell told
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They're staying out of it for the time being. Are
their names Bennett and they ain't in it. This is
an A and B conversation they're gonna see Yeah, I look,
I actually think this is smart. Like, let them they
have subpoena powder, let them do the dirty work, um,
and not over react. I guess the problem would be
that in times in the past, the NFL has tried

(34:12):
to interject itself and do its own investigation and it
hasn't come out well. So maybe this is the NFL
learning from from their own mistakes. Maybe if you can
only hope right, we'll stick with the National Football League.
Oakland Raiders seem to be Las Vegas Raiders. Quarterback Derek
Carr said he was quote annoyed leading up to the
draft this year because of the constant speculation that Oakland
would draft another quarterback in round number one. Doug is

(34:35):
this real? Or face that sounds? Man? You're over so far?
Car actually said, Honestly, it got annoying for a while.
I'm like, really, they don't have anything else to talk about.
I didn't help the situation trying to challenge people to
really really, oh my god, kind of thought? Are you

(34:57):
worried about this? For car? Oh, he just gotta play better,
That's the only thing I care. I mean, like, I
don't mind that he's being honest about it is. It
probably is annoying. Like, wait, they only twenty million dollars.
They tell me how they've done everything that they want
me to do. It's annoying. I'm not worried about it, Heidi,
play better. You found a new home. Yeah, fair enough.

(35:18):
We go from the Bay Area to New York. When
discussing his contract situation, Seahawks linebacker Bobby Wagner, so he's
only focused on two things, winning another Super Bowl and
remaining a Seahawk. For Live Doug this real or fake?
I gave you a hint. Come on, I said to
New York. He's comparing things right now with the transaction

(35:39):
the New York Jets made for former Baltimore Ravens linebacker C. J. Moseley,
now Moseley on his contract. It's a five year deal
worth a maximum of eight five million dollars. Best part
about that, fifty one million dollars of that is fully guaranteed.
And Wagner said, quote, I'm a professional. This is what
it is as of right now. My contract ends at
this year, so that's where it stands. I'm to honor

(36:00):
my contract. I am here participating and helping the young guys.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, all right, fair enough,
Uh we got the best blah blah blah. Me So
I'm like, it's a lot more though, he goes on,
it's all the cliche stuff. You're seen the right things.
Final year of a four year deal worth forty three

(36:20):
million dollars, he's twenty nine years of age. Would you
give him? Bobby Wagner, Yes, I just love the idea
that the Seahawks are somehow bad guys. When uh Earl
Thomas right, he they paid his entire contract and then
he was done. They flipped he flipped him off, and
like Bobby Wagner wants a new deal, and they're like,
or you can just fulfill this deal and we'll figure
it out. And he seems to be getting a little

(36:41):
hot about it. When when when the again, the the
media narrative and the fan narrative is like, well they don't.
NFL teams never live up to their contract with York
seemed to yeah, absolutely. Um. With that being said, though,
would you give him a a four or five year deal?
And obviously s exceed compensation for Mosley? Um? Would I

(37:04):
give him a four or five year deal. Yes, a
real I I give him a couple of years to
two years, and then you know, fake fake a couple
other years. I would not give him four or five
year deal. I would do what everybody says NFL teams doing.
But would you do something in terms of making him
the highest paid lineback in the national football Mosley's is
a seventeen year average? Wait? How old is Mosley? Mosley is?

(37:27):
I don't a good question. I don't have the age.
How old's Wagner? Mostly there's your answer? No, all right,
all right, fair enough? Um oh, I got a rid that.
A couple of things here, and and guest, con stay,
we stay with me. I know you're playing the game.
What are you more tired of? Drake or people complaining

(37:53):
about the end of Game of Thrones? And here's the thing.
I haven't caught up with Game of Thrones enough to
know that the ending was a bad ending, or a
weird ending, or didn't make any sense whatever. But forgive me.
It is a TV show about dragons, right. I'm sorry
if your make believe TV show about an animal that

(38:14):
doesn't actually exist in a land that doesn't actually exist
gave you an ending that shouldn't existed. But it is
a show about dragons, right, you want to make sure
that's all good. I mean they had a lot more
Starbucks and a lot more controversy was going on that
final season than anything else, which I think was ultimately
disappoints to a lot of Starbucks. I mean there are

(38:35):
Starbucks cups there, star Wars cups, and I know John Romin, like,
how do they do that? How does that happen? How
does that happen? That there's like a water bottle on
the Starbucks cut the cup in the shop. And also
Jamie Lanister had his magical chopped off arm comeback, or
his hand came back when he before he died. Well,
it's possible that it's like Deadpool right there. His little

(38:56):
hand grows back from your little hand. All right, you
gotta come more, go I do do. The NFL has
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including fewer commercials during the Super Bowl Doug Reel or fake,
significant changes to the Super Bowl to the ads yes

(39:19):
oh for four man? Uh. The league itself announced that
divisional round games on Sunday will be moved back to
three PM and six thirty pm Eastern Standard time. The
previous times, if you do recall, were one oh five
and four forty. In addition to that, the single headed
rule has been eliminated, so that basically means that every
market will get three games during Sundays during the regular season.

(39:41):
And also the Super Bowl previously had featured five commercial
breaks per quarter is now dropped down to four. Okay, um,
at least they're starting games later. What about the kids?
What about the children? How at least they up to
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Smith was just spectacular. This is where the Internet is
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baby filters are pretty damn amazing. I want to know
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woman who came up with that? Was that the Seinfeld
can't cure the common cold, but came up with a

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(41:33):
got a lot to get to. I tried, I swear
I tried to, like really get into last night's game.
And I watched every bit of last night's game, and
I even watched went back and watched it, and there's
some interesting kind of basketball things to it. But I
just struggled. I don't know. I guess I become average
sports fan. Guy. Give me name brand, give me Braun,

(41:55):
give me the Golden State Wars part of it is
the just the energy of how the Warriors play and
maybe how they come back. I don't know it. It
makes it feel like it's just almost felt like a
midweek NBA game, which he was only it was a
major playoff game, Game four, which now the Eastern Conference

(42:16):
Finals are tied it to a piece. Well, let's get
the opinion of a good friend of mine. You can
hear his Dual Threat podcast on The Ringer, as well
as his own podcast, the Ryan Rusilla Podcast. He joins
us in the Dug Oallip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Ryan.
Uh like, look, you're like me, we watched ball anytime
it's on TV, But what's your level of I don't know,

(42:38):
energy in watching when it's the Bucks and the Raptors.
I really got up for Game one. I welcome what
I saw from the books. First half a Game two,
I thought it was incredible and it was really really impressive.
But I also said, because any Toronto good team, and
I found it kind of weird, had dismisses. It felt
like the public was just after those first two it

(42:59):
was already like, hey, how's Golden seeking a match up
of Milwaukee? Um, but I startgled with last night I did.
I feel like there are games where you go, are
you really locked into everything that's happening, And for whatever reason,
it wasn't really happening that way after a big time
win for Toronto in game three. I think that the
guards are kind of the story throughout this, Like we

(43:20):
know Kauai, there's a maxim version of them, and there's
still a baseline version of That's great. It's probably the
same thing with Janice, but the guards are so inconsistent
and I don't really know what to expect. I've never
been a huge lowry guy in this run. But gonna
give him credit, he kind of kept them going last night,
and he said, bigger games, you know, throughout the playoffs,
probably this front the other ones, but it was I'm

(43:41):
still trying to feel it out because I just I
just once Milwaukee misses all their shots in the backcourt,
guys and it's easier to send j Honae. And that
was kind of the game, even though kau I didn't
really have to go off um because he didn't, so
it was really about supporting guys. Okay, So I guess
here's maybe the question. I was watching the game for
the the Blazers game against the Warriors, and um, it

(44:03):
was just fun, right, Like those dudes were just out
there hooping, and and the shot making from the Warriors
and the come first for the Blazers to take the
lead and then the Warriors for the comeback was incredible.
I don't know if it's just guards or or or
it's the way they play, or it's the fact, I
know the Warriors, you know, are playing down three guys.

(44:26):
I don't know what it is. I don't know. It
just felt more fun even though that series was over.
It was three games and none. It was a rap
whether the Blazers won that game or not. Why do
you think it is? Why do you think it was
so much more? It is more fun? I mean, this
is the whole point. It is like a lifetime you
getting mad at that everybody hates Golden States so much?
Is that you know, this is still awesome to watch
and now without Durant, and they're motivated by it, which

(44:47):
I think is a real thing. But it doesn't mean
they're better without Durant. Just I think they want to
remind everybody what they accomplished before he showed up there,
and the freedom of movement and Steph proving that you know,
there's certain stars in this league. They're only gonna play
their way. Westbrookn one of those guys I think hardened
is that, Um, you know there's other players that you
just know, no matter who's around me, I'm always playing
my way. This just proves its deep is one of

(45:08):
the most accommodating superstars we've ever seen, that he can
go back to this guy that he was for a
few years before Durant shows up and I'm with you
Game three and I went out with some friends. We
said we at the inner who watched that. I mean,
I don't really care who wins it loses any of
these things anymore. But it's just a reminder of how
special those two guards are when they're running around like
crazy and they have to make all the shots and

(45:29):
they don't have this this fix it guy who's seven
one who can make any of the shot he wants
to and Durant, So it's raised their level up. And
I don't think you're wrong for that at all. There
is a letdown because this Warriors thing has been a
lot of fun the last two weeks. What if I
made the case and um Andrew Goodalas said that steps
the second best ever. I think he meant point guard. Uh,

(45:50):
we can we can argue that if we want. Um
I do think he's changed basketball and what's a good shot,
what's a bad shot? Gilbert Renis used to take these
shots just a far less success, uh, and on a
on a on a lesser stage than what Steph is doing.
But I would make the case that the game changer
really in terms of the history of the NBA is
Draymond and Um. I just you know, we had Vogel

(46:14):
on yesterday and Vogel was like, he's just you could
just tell by his voice he was blown away by
how the sport has changed so dramatically since he had
Roy Hibbert and there in the Eastern Conference Finals against
the Calves, and then you know, like two years later,
like Roy Hibberts basically out of the league because you
can't play a traditional center who can't move his feet,

(46:35):
you know, and anymore in the league, like just there's
no place for them. And I think Draymond, as much
as Steph, has changed what we view as a good
shot and a bad shot in the range for guys.
I think Draymond's the guy who's changed the league more?
Would you say Dre or Steph is a more transcendent pro.
It's a really good point about Draymond, but I've disagreed.

(46:56):
I just feel like step has made everyone change the
way we look at offense in a weird way. I
think it's you could you could argue he's negatively impact
because I see guys that aren't even ready to shoot
trying to take these shots to stuff makes and you go,
why would you take that with seventeen seconds left in
the shot clock? And it's a subsession with threes. And
even though the math is telling us that basketball should

(47:18):
have been doing this for a while, it doesn't mean
every ridiculous three point attempt is a good one. And
I feel like some players think that after watching step
and for a small player to to do what he's
done and start as an off guard where Mark Jackson
didn't really see him the way Steve Kurt did and
part of that STEP's own development, and then you know
they used to play him off at Jared jack and

(47:38):
then it's like, okay, now we can play him as
a scoring point guard because that changed, you know, because
of other point guards before him, Like you can't be
a point guard in the NBA now if you can't
score before they used to be like, ah, he's not
gonna do very good point because he's not thinking team first,
all those things. So I think Draymond being part of
the sizing down revolution and everybody going smaller and that
Hampton fives line up not scaring people the way it
used to because other people are just used to it

(47:59):
and they have their own version of it. I think
it's a really good argument. But I don't know that
other players can do what Draymond does. So Draymond is
doing this thing that when I see him, like nath
Tanner couldn't back him down, and then he jumped into
the passing lane and then running the fast break the
right decisions. There's just I don't think there's other guys
that can do or even try to do what Draymond
has done as much as people try to do what

(48:19):
Steff is docked, right, But I actually think they're one
and the same. And and oh yeah, by the way,
the genius to occur. You're right in terms of playing
as as uh Steff as a point but he also
plays him as soon as he passes the basketball and
he starts moving. Now he becomes a two guard again,
and that it's because they have Draymond as like a
point center, and because they have Durant who's like a
point power forward, and they have other guys that can

(48:42):
facilitate as well. Like it all just kind of andre
Adalaic is kind of like kind of got some point
guard skill to him. Um, and so it's kids, it's
it's doing both and the fact that he can do
both is crazy amazing. I don't know. It's a fascinating
team to watch. There's a there's a new report out
Markstein basically saying, um, he can go anywhere. Right his

(49:04):
own rich climbing comes out and goes He's open undecided
as to where he's going. Where. Where do you think
k D's brain really is a lot of this is semantics.
I mean, I saw a climbing the interview. He's not
gonna tell it. I mean a lot of this is
trying to diffuse all this stuff. I think a lot
of this is is very similar to kind of big

(49:25):
decisions we're often making. Life is. You may not have
made that final decision, but there's always a lean, there's
always a direction. You're more likely to go in. And
for every bounce of a Kauai shot, you know, whether
it's he's seven going in against still, it's like, Oh,
he's gonna stay. And then they were down to oh,
it's like he's gonna leave and cool, I probably ready

(49:48):
goes what he's doing. So I look at the durant
thing from the beginning of how it changes from Golden
State because only last people around the league the confidence
coming out of Golden States that he's returning, and it
was just to you know, just hey, let's just get
this contract down and he can figure out whatever terms
he wants. This year is different. There's a lack of
confidence from people that you talked about with Golden State

(50:09):
and their ability to retain him. So if you start
trying to map this out, when I was in Chicago
this past weekend, as much as it's always been about
the Knicks, the book, when thing just picked up as
an option, and I know Stein was was writing The
Clippers and maybe some of these other places, but I
don't know why he would open it up to all
of these different places. And part of me still thinks, like,

(50:30):
if he's pursuing happiness after being in one of the
happiest basketball situations. I I just hope he knows what
he's doing here, even though I selfishly wanted to leave
the Golden States so we can watch these guards any more.
I mean, if he thinks he's unhappy at times because
of the criticism of Golden State, and what's it gonna
be like if he's on the Knicks and r. J.
Barrett's the second best player in the team and Don't

(50:52):
Wan's still the owner and they're in the fourth or
five seed bottle and he's in New York and there
aren't other people to deflect the attention. I mean, he's
gonna get ugly fast for a guy that has proven
that the stuff to monit. Yeah, I I you know,
if you don't like the media attention in Oakland and
into San Francisco, how are you gonna enjoy how you

(51:13):
how are you gonna enjoy that in New York? Um?
All right? What do you think of the damage that
was potentially done by Magic Johnson to the Lakers this
upcoming off season? Are we just talking about the TV hit?
Are we talking about everything in general? Um? Both? But
I do think that the TV hit is a purse

(51:35):
p you know, it. It made it from people think
that it's a mess to people knowing that it's a mess.
And I felt like it's an act of complete disloyalty.
And you know, especially it's it's like the guy that
goes no disrespect and says something disrespectful. That's what he
did when he goes like, oh, you know, I I
the first thanks to Jeanie. I love I love her
like a sister. And then he just napalms the place. Um,

(51:59):
but I don't know, do you think it didn't do damage? Okay,
I'm I'm just intriguing. I'm not saying that, Like I
just don't know, Like you can't get blood out of
a stone, you know, Like at this point, I mean,
I think everybody knows it's dysfunctional. I think there's also
been this thing going on for years that like Jennie
Buss is going to come to the rescue and solve

(52:19):
all their problems, and that hasn't been the case at all.
And if she's trying to appease a bunch of different
people to make people happy, that's usually the worst way
of going about trying to be a leader. I mean,
it's really tough to to lead and and placate everyone
but Magic to think about you know, you have an ego.
I have an ego. You have to have any ego
to do the talk show thing for as long as

(52:40):
he's done it. If I were Magic Johnson, I would
have a massive ego. I mean it'd be would probably
be annoying to be around me. And I think Magic
hasn't He has a right to have that kind of ego.
So I felt like his his first take appearance was
about him protecting his image to Lakers fans because he bolted.
I mean, it was a really weird and, let's face

(53:01):
an unprofessional way to do it. He didn't leave them
his excuse for that impromptu conference and like, hey, I'm
resigning for the Lakers, And he said he didn't want
to tell Jeanny Buss to her face because she was
afraid he would talk him out of it. Now he
was mad, And if if Polanka really was dumping on
him in a disrespectful way to his superior, then that's
on Polanka and Magic should be mad about that. I
think we all have to kind of remind ourselves what

(53:22):
the structure this is gonna be. Magic was going to
be the franchise space. He was going to be that
rock star who could talk to other stars in the
NBA and get the meetings that the Lakers weren't getting,
which didn't make any sense. But when markets Soldiers decides
he doesn't want to meet with you in free agency,
that's a major problem. So they move on from top check.
They bring in a rock star. We knew that, you know,
Magic wasn't gonna be working, you know, every one of

(53:43):
these lower conferences, conference championship tournaments, Like he wasn't gonna
be doing anything stuff. I think that was okay. So
then if he was gonna get ripped for not doing
the things I don't think any of us everybody's gonna do.
From the beginning, I could I could see him being
upset about it, but I don't know why they did
the signings they had after it didn't make any sense.
After Lebron, they're trying to say, we need to play
the different way, but I was gonna play the ways
he wants to play, and that's gonna be him dissecting

(54:05):
the game in the half corps. And then they add
all these other pieces that Davis trade wasn't gonna happen
because New Orleans just wasn't going to do it because
of their ownership issues. So I think some of the
criticism is unfair. But I thought Monday was more about
him trying to protect his image than it was. I mean,
you did go after the Lakers, obviously, but I think
he was doing that in a self preservation way. I

(54:25):
I completely agree, but you know, doing that has ramifications.
Do you think it keeps Is that what keeps Kyrie
from coming? And you know they had a strained relationship,
but is that what keeps Kyrie? Or that what keeps
you know, pick said superstar from considering the Lakers? Or
do you think that has nothing to do with what
what play? What a player decides, I really think the player.

(54:51):
I mean, if players still want to go to the
next after what James Dolan has done, then I still
don't think it's as impossible as everybody makes it out
to be for the Lakers, and people are closed on
one of these guys because there's gonna be somebody who
respects Lebron and says let's do this, and for all
those no one wants to go play with Lebron. Maybe
it's true, but I need more than one offseason of
information to know that nobody wants to go play with them,

(55:14):
and what was it last year? It was it was
Durant staying in Golden State, Paul George staying in Oklahoma City,
and then them not training for Kauai. That's three guys
and there was only one that we felt like the
United chance with and that might be more of a
Polinka problem than it was a Magic remin problem in
Paul George day in Oklahoma City. So if they whiff

(55:34):
on a summer with ten different moving parts here like
this summer is going to be, and if they don't
add anybody, then then I'm willing to say, yeah, this
whole thing is a disaster. No one's wants to play
with Lebron, nobody wants to go to the front office.
But I just don't think if the the Knicks are
the best example, if the Knicks can still get guys
in free agency, if they're actually gonna land Durant, then

(55:56):
maybe we're overrating the negative impact of these Lakers stories.
Tend to agree with you, but we'll see, we'll see
exactly what you have. Then the Knicks are and I
do wonder if Durant at some point, because he's so
prone to reacting to other people's reactions social media or
just his friends. At some point, does he get a
nuturus friends, like you're gonna go play for James Dolan, Like,
let you say, maybe I shouldn't play for James Dolan.

(56:18):
I almost feel like he's that open to suggestion. I
always wonder, like, I know, Anthony Davis is pretty impressible,
and that's how I thought he got himself into this problem.
Like I just I just know he's he's a one
as far as his basketball, but I think he's uh too,
And I don't like some people are two's in the office.
It doesn't mean that they can't do the job, but

(56:39):
it doesn't mean they're awesome. It just means that I
think Davis is still young and would would help, Like
would would prefer a Kyrie or a Durant to be
kind of the face of the franchise. And although all
these guys are kind of funny and the way they
do this right, they struggle for a few years ago,
I don't want to do this by myself, and then
they have to shine or share that shine and spotlight
with somebody else. They're like, you know, I kind of

(56:59):
want my own things that with my band, and you know,
they just keep changing their minds all the time. But
I I, I don't know if the rant. I don't
know if the rant could could get really close to
your life first and then swing this back to saying
I want to stay in Golden State, or now I
need to think about the Clippers because it's just felt
like New York this whole time. But it could be.
You know, we've been guilty of this in the past.

(57:20):
We'll start repeating each other and we haven't figured out
what we don't know. Anthony Davis plays where next year?
I'll say, the Knicks, how are you? Irving plays where
next year? I don't know? Good luck? Good luck with him?
That's not duck right. If there was a gun to
my head and they said you gotta guess like I can't,

(57:41):
I can't read them. Kevin Rerant plays where next year?
I hate the same. I have better information. I have
not about information. It's about gut Field. You just got
back from Chicago. You're you know, you're doing everybody. I
didn't hear the Clippers as much, but that doesn't mean
you know, I didn't talk to all thirty teams and

(58:03):
then everyone went through five in the depth chart for officers. So, uh,
if nothing, none of the information has been new. And
that's what that's what really scares me about this stuff
is I do think the NBA has has you know,
everybody likes to gossip, and when nothing has been new
for the months, that's always a sign. I mean it's like,
I don't know, maybe everybody's just repeating each other. Oh,

(58:23):
he's just going to the next Yeah, yeah, that's a
done deal. Like everyone's eyes. When the next next done,
it's done. It done. Now, if I knew the Golden
State was kind of lout, like, I don't think Clay
is going anywhere, okay, and that's based on conversation. I
don't understand why this Clay is gonna leave. Things keeps
coming up, but I don't feel that same sense of
confidence out of Golden State and retaining Durant. So that's

(58:43):
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nervous when I'm like him. It's been since in January,
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John Metelcoff joins us he's got the three Out podcast
and he heard podcast network. John. Let's start with the
beef between Antonio Brown and Ben Rothsburger. Big. Ben's trying
to apologize I was wrong, you were right. I was

(01:02:47):
too mean. I was too tough on Antonio Brown. Antonio
Brown wants none of it, and he's also not showing
up for O t A s. What why why is
he still better? He got a new contract, out, a
new home. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess
he just hate his real you know. And maybe Antonio
is just really that petty he did in fairness to
Antonio because I kind of crushed him yesterday for not
showing up. He did show up today. I don't know

(01:03:10):
why he wasn't there yesterday, but he was there today.
Um and maybe Big Ben. You know, just as you
get older, you try to mature a little bit. You know,
if you want to look on the glass half fold.
Maybe he is being genuine with this. Maybe he's just
completely being fraudulent and wants to look good as Antonio.
It's easy to say right when a B is gone. Um,

(01:03:30):
you know, I just I'm kind of tired of this story.
You know, I'm just I'm gonna be fascinated to see
if A B and Gruden can get along once the
actual season comes. And I think if history shows anything,
Ben is probably gonna be just okay, or I mean okay,
because he's had turnover for years at wide receiver and produced. Okay.
So I look at Antonio Brown did show up today.

(01:03:53):
Odell Beckham Jr. Showed up Once they've had five workouts.
Let's start with O B J Now, Uh, Antonio Brown
East played all but the last game of last season.
Odell Beckham Jr. Did not, and he's also in a
new home in a new offense. Were you critical of O.
B J not showing up? Yeah, I mean I thought,
I thought, oh b J. Levian and then even yesterday Antonio.

(01:04:14):
We'll see if Antonio, if he makes the rest of
the month. It's it's so easy to show up. I
was at nine ers o t A practice yesterday. I
when I worked in the NFL, I had to be
in the building. It's like a three day work week.
You get there at breakfast, you go to meetings for
a couple of hours, you lift what you're gonna do anyway,
and then you go on the field for about yesterday's
Kyle Shanahan's practice was like an hour and twenty minutes.

(01:04:37):
I mean it was. It's the country club version of
football now because of the c b A and just
in general, the off season has always been like it's
so easy. There's just I don't understand why these guys
just don't show up. It's just it's a bp F
bastball for everyone. You know, in the other two sports
and baseball and basketball, there's not really an off season

(01:04:57):
like this because in basketball, you know, you can just
play a up games in baseball, they just play in
other leagues or whatever. If you want to in the winner.
In football, you kind of need to play with your
teammates to kind of perfect your craft, right if you're
a wide receiver, whatever position you're in. So I just
I'm always baffled when guys don't show up, Especially Levian
Lebian did not have one other offer even close to

(01:05:20):
what the Jets gave him. So the Jets threw him
a lifeline. Financially, Big time doesn't owe it to them
a little bit just to show up. Again, These aren't
double days. This isn't the junction boys, Doug. It's pretty easy.
It is what is the And like every like, every
part of the negative reputation that they have only gets

(01:05:42):
earned even more so, And honestly, doesn't it hurt future
guys who try and follow the Levy on Bell or
the Antonio Brown or the Odell Beckham Jr. Path? And like,
if I'm running a team, like, dude, look look at
these guys. Look at how they react. Even when they
do get that lifeline, they still kind of spit in
our face. Why would I give him that lifeline? I

(01:06:05):
mean it's crazy, and I I wanted the Niners to
trade for Odell Beckham, and you know, would he have
shown up Let's say this, let's say the Rams or
the not team like the Niners had traded for him,
would he still not have shown up? Because I fall
him on Instagram he's working out at SC So clearly
he doesn't want to be in Cleveland. I think that's
pretty clear, right, not necessarily for the team, but just
being in the state of Cleveland in the off season.

(01:06:27):
I'd be shocked if he shows up to anything for Levian.
It's like, Levian, You're in New York. You know it's
not that bad. You can't. I I don't get it.
And I saw the list of other Browns like Antonio Callaway,
like what is that guy doing? I mean, why aren't
you at practice? Jarvis Landry is now he kind of
fall in the Odell like why should I be there? Anyway?
Not not an ideal kind of the way it's played

(01:06:49):
out so far for the Browns. Agree with you, totally agreed,
Doug Gottlich show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, what
are your thoughts on what what New England has done
here with Julian Edelman Um extending his deal that that
makes it is that is that Julian lmen learning from
Wes Welker and going like, I'm not gonna fight this
thing at the end of my career. I'm gonna just

(01:07:10):
end end this thing in New England. Yeah, I think
that Edelman has always liked Bill a lot more than Welker.
It feels like Edelman has been a little bit of
just a better soldier like he he thrives in that
environment where Welker, you know, had some kind of pretty
public but it heads and said some things. Him and
Bill just weren't always on the same page. It's kind

(01:07:32):
of felt always like the opposite with Julian, even more
than remember even last year with Gronk. Gronk was kind
of mad at at Bill and obviously Tom was. It
doesn't feel like Julian's ever had a problem with the
Patriots of anything. It's very loyal to them. Uh. I mean, hell,
he might look at them as like, if it wasn't
for them, I might have been just some you know,
seventh round pick that washed out of the league really fast.

(01:07:53):
He's taken. I remember the last daily signed was much
lower than market value. I think he value is what
they give him, you know, they made him, I mean,
an absolute legend in that city, multiple time champion. So
if you make if you take a little bit lower
of a deal. I didn't even see the numbers, but
let's say it's a couple of million less than he

(01:08:14):
could get somewhere else what he's worth in that city
for the rest of his life, and even just around football.
I mean, when it's all said and done, who's to
say they don't win another championship these next couple of years.
He's a four time champion. You know what, you've been
to these events with these guys. There's a big difference.
When you walk in and you've never won anything, and
you walk in and you've got three or four ranks.
I mean, that guy just stands out in the room.

(01:08:35):
So Edelman's earning power the rest of his life. And
clearly Julian is really tight with Tom and I give
him a lot of credit for having the self awareness
of you don't always have to live in the short term.
I mean the big picture of earning potential. When you're
a part of something like this, and I see it
in my own backyard with the Warriors, you know, these
guys are gonna be made men in the Bay Area forever,
you know, and obviously they are all making a ton

(01:08:56):
of money. It's a little different football, But I I
give Edelman and a lot of credit for kind of
figuring that out. What do you think we were discussing
this early. What do you think Bobby Wagner's value is.
People always try to like, you know, crushed linebacker's value.
I think the top guys. I mean, Keithley has battled injuries,
but when he's been on the field, historically he's been

(01:09:19):
one of the best players in the league when every
game he's played, So to me, he's always been the
worth If you're paying Khalil Mack twenty million dollars a year,
I got no problem paying my middle linebacker close to
that if I think that, you know, if I value
that guy, high character guy, and he checks all those boxes,
I mean I have no problem paying him huge money.
I mean, as long as I think he's gonna be

(01:09:39):
able to stay healthy and I don't think his body's
breaking down. I would imagine what he's twenty at the
end of the season, maybe thirty. So I mean the
age is somewhat of a factor, but I mean what
he means to that team. He's another guy that you
know at times Richard and Earl and Cam and Michael Bennett.
It always felt like they kind of butted heads with
the program. That's ever been an issue for him. I

(01:10:01):
mean he's he's kind of been peace guy and and
rightfully so, I mean, he's just it's been a perfect
marriage for both of them. I would, if I was them,
have no problem giving him a massive deal. That's John
Middlecoff joining us former NFL scout. Of course you here
him on his three and Out podcasts are the Herd
podcast networks Doug Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Did you see the picture of the first round draft

(01:10:22):
picks from last week? Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, So
they have the jerseys on and there's Hollywood Brown who's
listed it. Do you think he's standing on tippy toes?
Though possibly possibly? I mean, who among us hasn't at
certain times too? Okay? But then next to him is

(01:10:43):
Kyler Murray and Cayler Murray appears to be shorter than
Hollywood Brown. Like, look, do I think it matters at
the end of the day. Probably not, But I I
don't buy that he was really five ten when I've
been told by a lot of people he's always been
five eight and chain and suddenly pops up at five
ten when they measurement the combine. See, my biggest issue

(01:11:04):
with him over the whole draft period was never his heights,
because I think if you just watched him on TV
in the fall, you knew he was tiny. You know,
whether he's five eight and three quarters or five ten flat,
it's he's just really short. To me, it was the weight,
and you know, I never felt like he was actually
two oh five he when I just watched him on TV,
it felt like he was playing in the one eighties.
And then he refused to run. You know, I mean,

(01:11:26):
is he gonna play this season? Because again, I mean
I think it's pretty clear he's probably not exactly five ten,
But is he gonna play this season at in the NFL?
Or is he gonna be able to play at two
whatever and still be that fast? Because at the end
of the day, you can avoid a lot of hits
when you're that quick, but some guys are gonna get you.
And when they do, when Aaron Donald falls in you
or the Forest Buckner for the Niners, I mean, those

(01:11:47):
guys are three plus pounds and huge and coming at
you at warp speed. So my bigger issue is just
the is the girth is his size, not necessarily his hype. Yeah,
I mean that's the It's a bit. He got ragged
alled a couple of times, uh, playing in the college
football playoffs, and that's against college kids. What happens when
an NFL defensive lineman just touches him right or Seattle?

(01:12:10):
I mean you look at the way Seattle plays defense,
regardless who's playing. And last year a bunch of new players,
they hit you so hard. Like to play for Pete Carroll,
you have to be such a physical player that that.
I mean, it's just a physical division. I mean, I'm
at Niner practice yesterday. I mean Richard, and this is
why I crush. These guys are not going to practice
Richard just chilling. It's so easy for these guys. But

(01:12:30):
Richard during the season, you know, when Kyler Murray comes
out and if Richard's playing corner, he's one of the
hardest hitting corners in the history of the NFL. I'll
tell you this, he ain't five ten. He will molly
wap you. And so what's gonna happen when Kyler meets
Richard Sherman. Not even just the D lineman, right, some
of these some of these defensive backs that will throw
their body around. That's gonna be fascinating to see. Like

(01:12:51):
does he play sixteen games next year unencumbered by any injuries? That?
I don't know the the Oklahoma drill is going the
way of the dough Is that going to change football?
I don't think I've been to a lot of training
camp practices, not everywhere in the NFL the last several years,
but I don't You don't even see the Oklahoma drill.
I I don't think it's like a huge part of

(01:13:12):
NFL football anyway. I think it's a much bigger, bigger
deal in college because once you get to the NFL,
especially once the guys played in the NFL, his toughness
or whatever is kind of established. And it's probably something
that happened more in the eighties and nineties, maybe even
the early two thousand's, But I never saw it when
I worked in the NFL for coach Read and Andy
runs a pretty physical training camp. It's more like goal

(01:13:34):
line drills and stuff like full team, not just one
on one goal or Oklahoma. I think you see it
a lot more in college when you have an eighteen
nineteen year old guy and you know that guy that
he's replacing one to the NFL, and you're trying to
see what you have because you don't have preseason games.
So I don't think it affects NFL football at all
or even practice at all. How much will it affect

(01:13:55):
NFL football the that the owners gave the comp Teaching
Committee that go ahead today to decide whether to refine
the new rule allowing replay challenges involving past interference? What? What?
How do you think this changes the league? Do you think?
I mean, is it now all of a sudden we're
gonna have those flags in the last two minutes to right?
But to me, it doesn't unless you're adding challenges. If

(01:14:17):
you add things they can challenge, it doesn't necessarily slow
or speed up the game. If that you still have
the same amount of challenge flags. Right, to me, the
bigger story would be if they've added you can challenge holding,
you can challenge p I, you can challenge whatever, and
they've also you get two extra challenge flags because right
now what you have to and if you get one wrong,

(01:14:37):
you lose one, Well, what if you've doubled that? To me,
that that would be a bigger deal. I don't mind
being able to challenge even subjective plays like past interference,
which I think some would argue many of them that
we see on Sundays are not pretty obvious, and I
think those are the ones that would be challenged, you think,
I mean there there would probably be some you know,
kind of coin flip once challenge too, for sure, but

(01:14:59):
if you still if a number of challenges stay the same,
I don't think it really affects it. I think it's
kind of overblown. It's fun for us to talk about,
and it's a main story because there's not much going on,
but I think in reality it's not going to have
as big an impact as we think. Awesome stuff. John
Midelkoff joining us. By the way, John, did did you
enjoy Aaron Rodgers breakdown of Game of Thrones and why

(01:15:20):
he didn't like Game of Thrones? Uh? Finale? Well, I'm
not a I'm not a huge Game of Thrones guy, Doug.
I me neither, But I do think it's interesting guys
are complaining about how how realistic, uh, the conclusion of
a series which involves dragons. Well, he was somewhat invested
right because he was in the show, clearly a die hard.

(01:15:40):
I wish Aaron, who's clearly a really smart guy, would
just act like that more often and be more fun
about football. I think, I mean, think of what a
rock star he'd be if he just engaged a little
more like that instead of always kind of taken the
other route. I mean that was I mean, he's clearly
got a big time personality if he was willing to
open up and just talk. But he doesn't do that. Whenever,

(01:16:01):
if you asked about Mike McCarthy or or his new coach,
he's not gonna talk like that, talk about Game of Thrones.
He was just he was outstanding. It was one of
the best two minute bites of his career. Yeah, now
he'll talk about Hoop like that. I don't talk about
other things. It is it is something about football. What
do you think? What do you think of Juwan Howard
two Michigan men now with Harbor on him at at Michigan. Um,
I'm interested. I'm intrigued. I mean, like, look, I actually

(01:16:23):
like their process. I thought the guys they talked to,
I mean the fact that the Big Ten had no
black head coaches, and they talked to all guys that
are accomplished. You know, I'm sure they reached out to
Shotgun and he he passed um ed Coolliett Province is
a gem, so is Laval Jordan, who used to be
there as an assistant. You know, I don't think it's

(01:16:43):
an easy and easy job because you're following a guy
who's basically considered a saint and so he can't break rules.
And you lost all your players from last year, and
you lost your best recruit, Jalen Wilson, who dcommitted and
got out of his letters. So I don't think it's
an easy job. Look, if he hires a good staff
and he's invested in, there's no reason that he can't
be good. Just the question is does he understand it's

(01:17:04):
a it's a job, you're gonna have to work hard.
But he and Stack coming back from pros to college.
I think that's a good thing for the sport. Panties
Panti's crushing and recruiting, crushing, crushing and recruiting. It's good
to have a kind a new generation of guys who
played and start in the game coming back to college
when there is kind of an overarching narrative that people
are trying to get out of the college game. And
I think this proves it to be a little bit false.

(01:17:26):
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(01:18:55):
this to say about his playing career. We should be
headed to a place where we all players to enjoy
what I would not even call a drug. You know,
it's far less dangerous than goes in in a fifth
of alcohol and going out after a game. Chances are
the player won't even make it to the club to
do this sort of thing that we all kind of

(01:19:17):
wag our finger at when we when we hear about
a guy getting in a flight or U d U, Um,
we're ever gonna read about them sitting on the couch
and and binge wa watching Game of Thrones again. So
I don't want to I'm not a dry snitch. I'm
not going to put a percentage on how much the
league smokes. But um, I certainly enjoyed my fair share
on a regular basis through my career, so I was

(01:19:38):
never afraid to say that. But I'm able to say
it more explicitly now. I mean, listen, if if not
for that, I'm not as capable of coping with the
stressers of day to day NFL life. Um, you know
a lot of guys get a lot of pain management
out of it, But what about testing toward all the

(01:19:59):
more pain? For me? I think the testing is is arbitrary.
You know, the league, speaking plainly, knows damn well what
they're doing. I mean, testing players once a year for
um street drugs, which is a terrible classification for you know,
marijuana is kind of silly because players know when the

(01:20:22):
test is we can stop, yeah, which which actually makes
it I'm going to disagree with Chris here, who I like,
and I we need to talk to Cindy about getting
Chris on the show. He is great, dude, And I
actually told him this is um he can he can
attest to it. I told him this was the year
for Virginia. Now I've vascialated on that when I picked
my final four and they ultimately one in the championship.

(01:20:44):
But early on the season, I remember we're texting back
and forth and I was like, this is your year.
It just feels like this is the year anyway. UM.
I actually think he understands the point of how the
testing is done the record actual drug testing. Everyone knows
when you're gonna be tested, and if you pass that test,

(01:21:04):
they don't test you the rest of the year. And
so we make it out as if the NFL is
some good draconian um old school police department that's trying
to police marijuana out of the league. It's not accurate.
What they call that first preliminary drug test is an
i Q test. Just pass that one, and then if

(01:21:24):
you want to have pay management smoking weed and you're
you're able to, You're not getting lazy and not eating
too many Cheetos, You're gonna show up at work and
it's not hurt your performance. You'll be fine. Fine. He
knows that, and not admitting as much is a little
bit disingenuous for a guy who's been very open and
honest about everything he's done during his career. UM. I

(01:21:48):
also think that one thing about Chris Long that should
go noted is to be the son of a legend
and was he as good as his dad? No, But
to carry yourself of classic dignity when everybody's watching, because
there is a sense from some that when you're the
son of a legend, you're gonna act like your holier

(01:22:08):
than now. And he never did of all the things
to be commended, and he's done a lot of things
in his career, donating all his salary water wells in
Africa that may actually be the best. But my guess
is he'll be in TV, radio or doing something to
help society the rest of his life. So football is
just a small kind of footnote into his into his

(01:22:30):
his career. Uh. I think this is my personal opinion
that we started to realize the brilliance of Steph Curry
years ago, and as much as he dominated this past
series with the Portland Trailblazers and it reinvigorated the talk
of just how great he is. I'm not sure he's
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in Oklahoma, and if you listen to us in Oklahoma

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on in Tulsa and in Oklahoma City and on serious
sex and throughout the state, uh, stay safety. They had
record setting torrential rains. Frankly quite lucky because it was
supposed to be really awful tornatic activity and it turned
out to just be mostly awful thunderstorms. But I mean
there's massive flooding in the northern part of the state

(01:23:57):
and what's called Green Country and Tulsa. Um so I
was talking and then he said, well, what's the weather
out there? And I was like sixties seven. Not a
cloud in the sky. It is beautiful. And I looked
outside in our windows and I was like, wow, is
it Do we pull the shade down? What happened? And
I was like, it's raining outside? And I stepped outside
for a moment and it was pouring outside. And then

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I look up in the Padres were normally on the
Padres station. Obviously not right now because they have a game.
They're playing day baseball and it was pouring in San Diego.
Just a weird and weird weather pattern of obviously, all right,
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from Andrew Goodala a couple of days ago after Game
four of the Western Conference Finals, when Steph Curry dropped
thirty seven points. I think he's the secon and best ever.

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I've always thought that about him. I knew, but other
people didn't know. So I was surprised, Um, I wasn't
surprised when he took over the series. That of course
is Andrew Goodala, and I believe he was talking about
point guards, right, He was not talking about the second
best player ever about point guards. Now it's it's complicated
because the position has has changed. And do we do

(01:25:23):
we consider Lebron James a point guard? Do you consider
Lebron James point card? Because most times in his career
when the game mattered, he brought the ball up to court.
Now he wasn't technically their point guard. At times in Cleveland,
Kyrie Irving would bring it up, Mario Chalmers when he
was in Miami and and others. But when it matters,

(01:25:47):
and if you look at how he plays in Golden State,
like look, Draymond brings it up, Igudala brings it up.
Kevin Durant is as much the point guard as Steph
Curry is. So do we consider I don't want to
get into ratings of guys. What Steph Curry has changed
is um is our thoughts on several things. Body type.

(01:26:09):
I think he's changed our thoughts on can your body
type withstand the pounding of the NBA When you're up
when you're a point guard. Now you used to have
to be a little a little stockier if you're smaller
and a little stronger because there was hand checking. And
obviously the lack of hand checking has really really helped

(01:26:31):
freedom of movement has really really helped Steph Curry be
Steph Curry. As well as opening up the floor, putting
at times five shooters in the floor or picking one
role man, and the volume of three point shots and
the volume of passes for the Golden State Warriors, that
all helps Steph Curry because he plays as well without
the ball as he does with the ball. In addition

(01:26:52):
to which he's changed our idea of a you can't
be a high turnover guy, Like he's a high turnover guy,
but he's also a high reward guy in terms of
the volume of three point shots and percentage of makes
and the passing. While again it's it's risk reward, there
is a lot of reward for a lot of risk. Um.

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So we've gotten to this discussion as to whether or
not he's a transcendent pro and I would say he is.
I would say he is. Gilbert Arenas shot some of
some of the same shots from some of the same
distance with less success, less fanfare, and more than anything,
fewer winds. So some of it was the surrounding town

(01:27:37):
around Gilbert. Plus Gilbert, while a really smart guy was
you know, the gun thing obviously in Washington derailed him
some of his other personality quirks. He wasn't really bought
into winning or two team defense, but he was a
ridiculous shooter scorer and had the confidence to withstand lots
of mrs and then load up with lots of makes.

(01:27:59):
So I don't think that Steph is the first to
shoot the shots that he shoots, but he's the first
to make them in uh this level of games with consistency.
So between body shot, between body type, he's different position
wise than most people that play the position uh the

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and obviously shooting. Some guys shoot going right, some guys
shoot going last, some guys are catching shoot guys. He's
all of them. I think that's different than anybody. But
I also think that there's some replication that we've seen
from Damian Lillard. We've seen some some replication from Trey Young,
like Trey Young is a poor man's rookie version of

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Steph Curry, but what if I told you Draymond Green
has had a bigger effect on the change of the NBA.
There there's always been those glue guys on great NBA
teams always. You know, Dennis Rodman was a glue guy

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and two different but it's actually three different NBA championship teams.
People forget when Dennis Robin was the Worm and he
was in Detroit, he was the most ridiculously talented defender
and rebounder of the league had ever seen. He could,
like Draymond guard positions one through five, and then well

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he transformed himself into the best rebounder in the league
and was still an incredible defender. But this was at
a time in the league in which he didn't really
guard centers. He was too small, and he didn't really
switch off into guarding point guards that wasn't out worked.
Of course, did the same thing in San Antonio, and
like Dennis rob there's a reason Dennis Robins the Hall

(01:29:47):
of Famer, rightfully. So what Draymond Green has added is
one an offensive skill, the ability to pass, handle the ball,
shoot some and suddenly his shoe he has taken off
here in the playoffs. He's not really a post score,
but you know you can throw it to him down
there and he'll be an active passer. But the ability

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to guard one through five at six ft six and
guard these point guards changes everything. You don't need to
be put a big stiff out there when you can
shut everybody down. You don't need a rim protector when
your center can guard the point guard. I know. Yeah.

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By the way, Draymond Green is a pretty good shotblocker,
so too is Kevin Durantz. One of the reasons that
they have rim protection even when Looney's not on the floor,
bog it's not on the floor. It's not that point
forward hasn't previously existed. It's that point center has not
until Draymond Green. And while the league continues to search

(01:30:55):
for more scoring lead guards, we have them. We have
a bunch of them. They Lillard is different than Harden,
is different than Steph is different than Trey Young, is
different than Kemba, is different than Kyrie. All of those
guys are not traditional point guards, but point guard ish

(01:31:16):
who can score, who can pass, who can take over
a game offensively. We like to make it out like
we haven't seen anything like Steph Curin. It's true but
there are other kind of versions of him which are interesting.
There's no other Draymond Green. They tried to make p J.

(01:31:36):
Tucker into Draymond Green, and he got exposed when the
Warriors had to go smaller and had to play kind
of their old style. Like he he looked like a
guy who could only really guard Kevin Durant, whereas Draymond
showed the ability in this last series to be able

(01:31:57):
to guard Myers Leonard and then this can't her as
well as Damian Lillard and c J McCullum, like, we
talked so much about stuff, and we should because we
are in love with just the way he is, the
shots he makes, the past he makes, and the way

(01:32:19):
in which he bounces around, and I mean, it's it's
an unbelievable thing to watch. And because of Draymond's antics,
he usually gets no passes, and rightfully so. But I
believe if you watched it with a basketball guy, and

(01:32:39):
if you looked historically and you're like, when did the
league change? When did it go from you don't need
a center anymore? It's when it was like the graphs
and they come together. It's when Draymond Green and the
Warriors hit. It's when they go like, hey, we don't

(01:33:00):
need Andrew Bogan, we got Draymond. We don't need JaVale McGee.
We got Draymond. We don't need DeMarcus Cousins. We got Draymond.
I believe that he he has invented a position that
has dramatically and will dramatic will continue to change the NBA,

(01:33:21):
more so even than Steph Curry, because Curry's style has
been done before. Usually it was off the bench scores.
Bobby Jackson used to score like that. Right, we've seen
um Um Crawford. Jamal Crawford look steps a much better
player than Jamal Crawford. But it's the same kind of

(01:33:42):
thing where you don't really have your one year, two whatever.
You just come in and get buckets and staff can
run a team. But he's a bucket getter and he
gets he gets him and it's bamba bami, like, well,
what just what just happened? And from range and going
right and going left like he's an altar time great.
This is not me in any way diminishing Steph Curry's

(01:34:03):
offensive prowess. But there are other guys that play in
some ways similar to him. And have played that similar,
maybe to less success. I've never seen a Draymond Green
who can play all five positions at both ends of
the floor and be effective at all five. Zach Harper

(01:34:24):
from The Athletic joins the show. Up coming next, I'll
ask him who's been more influential, Curry or Draymond, plus
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me treat you to Zach Harper, one of my favorite
guys I've got a chance to work with over one
of my other stops and now read and um. He
worked for The Athletic. You could also hear him on
Sirius X m NBA Radio. He's a must follow on
Twitter because he has a lot of fun um at
Talk Hoops is his Twitter handle. Man, there's so much

(01:35:27):
stuff to get to. Let's u let's start with the
Magic Johnson thing, because I still think that in the
NBA people are buzzing about it. When you saw Maggie
Johnson go on with Stephen A. Smith and and uh, first,
sy he loved the Lakers and thank them for the
opportunity and then just obliterate them, what was your reaction?

(01:35:48):
It's funny. He's like, you know, like you mentioned, you
talked about, Hey, I love the Lakers or your family,
all this stuff. You mean, like a sister and me. However,
you know, like that seems to be the thing. That's
all the that's always the I don't want to be offensive,
but I'm about to say something of sensive. So he
didn't want to kill the Lakers. He loves the Lakers,
but he wanted to harm Rob Polinka. But I don't
think in the aftermath of that, he considered all the

(01:36:10):
collateral damage, even if you view was to only damage
Rob Polinka's reputation because he feels betrayed by him and
feels back stab. The collateral damage around that is everybody.
And so I don't have a problem necessarily with what
he said, but you can't view it as this is
only about Rob Polinka because he is the general manager
of the Lakers, and that just creates even more I mean,

(01:36:31):
it almost seems like Doug like like we need to
have a weekly press conference from the Lakers to handle
everything that's gone on since Magic Johnson stepped down, and
that doesn't seem like the best way to recruit free agents. No,
it's awful. Plus he went through kind of like all
the other people within the Lakers organization and essentially said
they don't know what they're talking about, right, So I

(01:36:52):
thought it was an act of self preservation, but I
thought it made him look bad. Like I told him,
I was only gonna be in a couple of days
out of the week and then I want to make
all the decisions. And and when they weren't feeling that,
uh that, you know, everybody got mad about it. That's
what it felt like to me. Yeah, I mean, and
if that's there set up, right, if that is the
agreed upon setup of him taking over as president, I

(01:37:12):
understand him not liking how everything, you know, kind of
fell out over the past few months. But I don't
know how you can think that that's an acceptable set up.
At the same time, like, I do feel like he's
been betrayed, but I also feel like that was a pretty,
uh you know, kind of naive viewpoint of what a
president of basketball operations is supposed to be in the NBA.
Completely agree, completely great. Doug got the show here on

(01:37:34):
Fox Sports Radio. Zach Harper is our guest. I struggled
last night. I don't know, it felt like a midweek
NBA game. Maybe it was that that Drake was in
every shot and I was I was just done. I'm like,
I'm done with Drake. Uh. Maybe it's the continuing references
to Jurassic Park. In Jurassic Park, I don't know. Or

(01:37:55):
it's that it's at the Bucks just look like a
completely different team than the one I saw play at home.
Um or Honestly, my my hypotheses is because the Raptors
haven't one yet, because they haven't won yet, and because
the Bucks they've just now one playoff series, there's just
not enough equity with me, even as a viewer, to

(01:38:16):
buy into how great I think there are two really
good teams. I just struggled even though it was a
meaningful game. You watch these all the time, did you
have that same struggle. Yeah. It's kind of funny the
whole Drastic Park saying it's like breaking news Raptors fans
cheer on Raptors and conference finals, Like, of course, start cheering, right,
this is we're you supposed to do with the Raptors.
Fans are good, like they're gonna cheer. I don't know

(01:38:37):
why we need updates of them still cheering. But you
look at these two teams and you're right, Like I
think with the previous eight years, the equity was always
with Lebron James, right, Like we knew no matter how
good or bad those teams were, you could trust Lebron
was going to bring them through it and get them
to the finals. Whereas here it's like, but we don't
call I've done it in the past, but he's injured,

(01:38:59):
so I don't know to think they're nice. This is
unstoppable force is getting stopped, so we don't know what
to do with that. And I think there's the two
things that that stand out for me are one with
the Raptors. If Kauai is not going to be healthy.
I don't know how you get around that in Milwaukee, Like,
I just don't like he doesn't look like he's moving well.
If I'm Milwaukee as good as he is, I attack
him every single time, so he has nothing in the

(01:39:20):
fourth quarter playing on one leg. And then for the
buck side of it. Look, I know they have the
best defense in the league this year, and I believe
in their defense, but they don't seem willing to make
adjustments at all. And the one flaw in their defense
all season long and throughout the playoffs is they give
up a ton of open three pointers. They gave up
the highest three point volume in the NBA last season.

(01:39:41):
They gave up I think they're around league average and
percentage allowed. But this team gives up a lot of
three point looks. Now, they would argue that they give
him up to the right people to shoot them if
you're the opponent. But at the same time, like whether
it's this round or they make it to the Warriors,
like someone's gonna torch them because of their defensive you
know kind mindset of no, we're okay to to over

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commit and then try to recover. And I just don't
know if that's Championship Basketball's completely agree with you that
Zach Harper joining us. You can read his work in
the Athletic here among sixth series x M NBA Radio
he joined us now Doug Gottlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. UM,
I offered up my thoughts that as much as Steph
Curry feels like a one and a billion player, and
he may well be, um, there are other Steph Curry clones,

(01:40:27):
Like he's taking shots that used to be bad shots
and making them and playing at a ridiculous level, especially
since KD went out. But you know, look, Lillard is
a similar, lesser version. Kemba is a different sort of version.
Kyrie is a different sort of version. Like there are
other guys, even even James Harden who essentially is their

(01:40:47):
point guard right, Like he's putting up crazy numbers, different
way of doing kind of some of the same stuff.
I would offer up that Draymond Green is the real
game changer in he can guard and play any position
on the floor and now these making shots, you have
to actually pay attention to him offensively. UM. I think
that's what the Portland Trailblazers had their Curry. They even

(01:41:09):
have their Clay Thompson the differences, they don't have a
Draymond and Golden State does. That's why they have no
chance against the Warriors, no matter how big the league.
Am I am I crazy to think that Draymond is
the more transcendent pro even if Steph Curry is the
better pure player. No, I mean I I think that
Curry still the transcendent guy because well, I agree with

(01:41:31):
everything you said defensively with Draymond. Offensively, he's able to
do all that stuff because of all the attention Steps
gets right, Like, I don't think we can ignore that,
whether Steps getting shots or not, they are trapping him.
They are blissing him there saying get the ball out
of his hand, and he gets it to Draymond. And
then Draymond has all these fact breaks in the half court,
of all these four on three opportunities, and he's brilliant.

(01:41:52):
Like as much as people dislike Draymond, they thank you
a jerk. They think he talks too much. I think
he yields at the rest too much. They think he's
punching people in the crotch too much. Like whatever that is.
This guy is a genius on both ends. Of the floor.
So I still think Steps is the more transcendent talent.
But there aren't many Draymonds in India history who are
as good and as focused and as smart as he

(01:42:13):
is with that, so I think they really have to
transcendent talents in that respect. But I still got to
give the slight edge to to Curry it just because
everything does kind of flow through him on that offense.
Doug Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. What do
you make of these new reports that maybe can maybe
Katie's not going to the Knicks. I mean I think

(01:42:34):
that I don't. I don't think he's ultimately made up
his mind. I do think that decision will come sometime
between the last game of the season for him or
at least the Warriors, and then and then when free
agency starts, like I think he'll have made up his
mind by then. I think there's a chance of the Clippers.
I think there's a chance to Nets. But I still think,
like if I had to put money on it, I'm
putting it on the on the Knicks to be that team.

(01:42:55):
And I think part of that is, Look, you can't
have it be decided while this guy is already in
the are in the finals, right, Like, you can't have
that storyline for baby, so you gotta you gotta play
around with Massagy and some of those whispers a little
bit um, So, Like, I guess technically they're true. I
don't think they're false, but I think most people assume
if he's leaving, which I think a lot of people do. Uh,
you've going into mix Doug gottlip show here on Fox

(01:43:17):
Sports Radio. All right, so what about Kyrie? Like, I
don't this year did not feel like a year in
which you're like, man, I really want to play with
that guy. If you're Kevin Durant all the Celtics. Um,
you know, he didn't enjoy everything else about playing with Lebron. Like,
what do you think Kyrie Irving does? I mean, I
that's the tough one. I think he's definitely out of Boston. Like,

(01:43:39):
I would be shocked if he came back to Boston,
just the way everything ended. The comments from certain teammates,
They're like, I would be kind of shocked there. But
at the same time, I think the idea of playing
with Kyrie is fantastic. You know, you can trust him
in big spots. You know, he's one of the hardest
players to guard in the NBA, and I think that
is attractive in the sense of, like, man, I don't
have to do everything right, can get the ball to

(01:44:00):
Kyrie and I can let him cook, and then I
can kind of come in when I when I want to. So,
whether you think you're the number one or he's the
number one, I think that trust is there. But then
you get into the application of it all. That's where
it gets tougher. I mean it was. It was tough
with with him and Lebron in Cleveland. It's tough with
him in Boston. It's gonna be tough wherever he goes.
If he's going to continue to play this way. It's
an elite level of basketball, but it's not just an

(01:44:22):
easy thing to plug in with any style and system.
So whether he goes to the Clippers or he surprises
everybody goes to the Lakers, or he goes to the Knicks,
or goes to the next or wherever he goes, like,
there is going to have be an adjustment on all
sides of that. And I don't know that that's going
to go smoothly. I don't know either. Um Anthony Davis,
where does he play next season. I think he's a

(01:44:43):
Celtic like I do. Like I get the Knicks package
and what they can offer. I don't think the Pelican
owner Gil I don't think she's gonna allow him to
be traded to the Lakers no matter what. So I
think that's out And it just seems to me like
Boston has the best trade package available if they believe
in Jason hate him in that way, which I think
a lot of people still do around the NBA, plus picks,

(01:45:04):
plus you know, other young players they can offer up,
like I think that ends up being the most attractive
trade package. So I'm just gonna assume that Danny Ainge
kind of goes all in and and especially if you're
losing Kyrie, you've got to have a star on there.
You can't rely on Gordon Hayward and Al Horford, so
they need that Anthony David president on the teams. He's
the one and only Zach Harper. You can follow him
on Twitter at Talk Hoops where he's working the Athletic

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Here I'm on Sirius XM NBA Radio, or when he
graces us with his presence. Great stuff, dude, thanks for
joining us anytime. Duck picks pleasure's mind. Let's get you
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(01:45:46):
David Gascon? You deep deep? It's a tone coming down
that line. Let's get you updated on everything going out
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we gotta fix no. All right, thanks, dude, tell me

(01:46:07):
your best work. It's okay. Are we gonna come in here? Oh?
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(01:47:33):
this is actually a really good tay. This is one
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on that thing? Do I got myself one? I could periscope?
He could periscope. There we go. Okay, so free to
he here's a here's the thought on the Magic Johnson. Okay,

(01:47:54):
so Magic Johnson, this is gonna sound like a light,
and it sort of is. But whatever, if you if
you actually dig through it, you'll realize it's not a slight.
But okay, so I believe Maggic Johnson is in the
pantheon of the greatest basketball players of all time. Okay,

(01:48:16):
we've gotten far afield from the reality that Magic and
Bird saved the league. They were that good, that dynamic,
that watchable, and there was a natural rivalry between the two.
Going back to college, there was also the white Black thing.
There was the East Coast West Coast thing. Um, there
was a lot to it. So Magic Johnson is a

(01:48:42):
great player. But in order to be Magic Johnson, well,
he won the genetic lottery, right he's six ft nine
How many people are six ft nine and above in
the entire world right now? And there's more six ft
nine above people now than the world when he was
a player. Nine people are getting bigger. The average height

(01:49:05):
of a man is like, what so you're talking about
if there's there's supposedly what eight billion people on Earth.
If there's eight billion people on Earth, one percent of
them or six nine above plus he was born in

(01:49:25):
the United States, which at that time, you know, if
you're born in nineteen I believe he was born like
in nineteen sixty. So if in nineteen sixty you were
born in the United States, now you're one percent of
one percent because you weren't making it to the NBA.

(01:49:46):
If you were born in Russia and in Yugoslavia back
then or whatever. And he played point guard, how many
point guards are six nine above? Now? Some of that
is the skills that he owned and developed. Some of
that was just kind of naturally what he was born
gifted athletically, and he was born in uh in the

(01:50:07):
state of Michigan, so he's born in an area that
he was well coached, well cared for. He played point guard,
he was the top one person. There's a limited number
of people he's actually competing against. This is a little
bit like the brooks Kepta thing. Right, Why is brooks
Kepta better in the PGA Championship than he is the

(01:50:29):
Greater Hartford Open. I know it's or in the Farmer's
Insurance Open. Why is that? Well? Because those fields are bigger.
So you run the risk of some guy you never
heard of running in a heater and shooting a sixty
three at the North course when you're slugging it out
in the South course. Right. Okay, Magic Johnson won the

(01:50:53):
genetic lottery, won the geographical lottery, and then won the
positional lottery. I mean, you're talking about six ft nine
point guards born in the United States. Put a basketball
on the hand at a young age, get all the
and get great coaching from Jetty Heath code. Great coaching
is a youth get drafted by the l A Lakers
and get a chance to play. Kareem abdul Jabar is

(01:51:13):
a rookie like this is all. I mean, a lot
of things went his way and he took advantage of it.
He was a great player. Something changes when you our coach,
which he has failed out, the talk show, which he
has failed out. Uh as a president of basketball operations,
how many people could be a president basketball operations based

(01:51:35):
upon where they were born? Okay, so you gotta be American,
although not everybody is an American anymore. Not all American
born presidents of basketball operations. So while he still sort
of won the geographical lottery. The fact is that anybody
can be a president of basketball operations. It comes down

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to basketball acumen, who you know, and most how hard
you work. The things he's been good at are because
he's Magic Johnson, because of all he accomplished on a
basketball floor, and some of that was helped out by

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his size, how he was born, where he was born,
who he was born to, and how he was nurtured
at a young age. And he had to have a
work ethic at basketball. But and I maybe should have
talked about this with Ryan was Ryan still and we
talked about this all the time. Athletes all think they
have great work ethic. We all do. We all think like, Man,

(01:52:37):
I get out there and I kill it, Like, all right,
how hard do you practice? I practice hard? How long
do you go? Oh, I'm in the gym like eight
hours a day? Bull, There's no human being that's in
the gym working hard for eight hours a day. You're
not working really that hard. You know, you don't do that.
You can't physically cannot do that much at an optimum

(01:52:59):
level of work. You get in there and if you're
gonna work on your game by yourself, you're gonna work
for forty five minutes, maybe an hour, and then you
get a gatorade and you relax and you chill out
and you talk and you hang out. Maybe you go
twice a day, or maybe you work out once a
day and then you play once a day. You're still
in the gym for three hours. In these other jobs,

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there is no time limit, none, no time limit. There's
no time limit, no age limit, no height limit, no
limitations on what you can do. It comes down to
how hard you're willing to work, how creative your mind
can be, who you're willing to surround yourself with, and
that makes it a much more competitive field. It's actually

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not that competitive to be a six ft nine point
guard in the nighties in the NBA. And he was
the best, the best, But much like Brooks, Keepka the
best against a more limited field than against the oupen
field of being president of basketball operations, of being a coach,

(01:54:08):
of being a talk show host the only three things
he's filled up all right. Coming up next, I'll give
you my thoughts on Juwan Howard as the new head
coach of the Michigan Wolverines. Will it work? Find out next?
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mean it had been had been like West Bestern Conference,
Eastern Conference, Western Conference, Easion Conference, Western Conference, Eastern Conference,
I might actually have to have a conversation with my family.
This is not This is suboptimal. Suboptimal. Yes, Ryan Music,
the fiance is already asking me what we're doing tonight.
I don't have an answer, Doug, John Ramos, anything help man.

(01:55:23):
I'm I'm I'm out on an island here, Dude. I
think in movies planing. I thought there was something good
that was playing right. Uh, well, there's endgame, which I
haven't seen. Endgame, David. Did we fix your did we
fix your microphone? What about John Wick three? I haven't
seen John Wick one or John Wick two. I think
you'll be okay, I get the feeling that if he's

(01:55:45):
just yeah, no, I know are the is it was
John Wick one or two good? Yes? The first one
was good. Yeah, I never saw the second one. Yeah.
They're good movies, Like they're like action movies, John Wick
action the high action, Yeah, high action? Is it? One
of the is like, why doesn't he die? Holly Berry
is in this one too, so Halle Berry? What I mean?

(01:56:09):
It's wrong with you? John John's married to a pregnant woman.
You know he's pregnant. He can't sit there and go
like yes and he can't. Actually is creepy to think woman.
Marv voice, Marv Albert, great, come back, come back. You know,
look he Mark Albert not the same as he used
to be. But still you hear Marv Albert. Yes, you're
like that's still cool. So again, what what would you

(01:56:32):
would you go see? John Wick? Would That's because you're
David Gascon. He probably has a voice over in a
world where that's your voice, isn't it. I've actually seen
Pikachu because I have one of my kids like Pikachu,
Angels Twins tonight, why do you want to see that?
Because you get you and music are both angels face
we are. They've been getting the getting the field mopped

(01:56:53):
with him. Plus he's up here in the valley that's
too far for him to drive. I would go see endgame.
I don't know, you guys actually have a conversation again, Doug,
I need ideas. Man, What am I supposed to talk
to her about? Well? I would also say like, hey,
it's raining outside. But you got the in laws there too.
You know, I'm backed into a corner. Ryan, can we

(01:57:14):
use the bathroom? Ryan? Living with the in laws? Saving money?
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in Boston. You know it's good for Boston. They need
something to sure if that's you know, they've been so
down the dumps. Are you a big hockey guy? Do

(01:58:16):
you like hockey? I mean, well, certain people like basic
baseball when it's postseason activities, sock during the playoffs. No,
I honestly think like the randomness of when a goal
goes in. Sometimes you're like, I don't necessarily know. We
always have to get the best team. Um. I like hockey.
I think they're great athletes. But I struggled a parachute

(01:58:37):
in I could not name more than one hockey player
in that series one. Yes, enough being on I'm being honest.
I'm sitting there and going, oh yeah, I love it,
love the love the love the pucks, love the pucks.
I know you're a big movie guy, and you're like
you like rounders, right, I do? Like? All right? Cool.
So I'm gonna ask you who blinks first on this,
Because Dak Prescott and his representatives have given Dallas Cowboys

(01:59:01):
a counter offer to their initial deal. Prescott said, quote,
I mean, I really can't say on all that it's
from one side. So yeah, this is my first time
doing this asked me. In a few years, however, things going,
I'll be able to tell you we've sent this, they've
sent this one. We're about to get this deal done.
As of right now, I'm learning the process, letting my
team handle their business. End quote. So how's this all

(01:59:23):
gonna match up? Dog? Because it's a team friendly deal?
Or is this player friendly? I mean, I I think it,
I mean ends up being player friendly because I think
he's gonna get more than whatever he and I think
he's a mid twenties, low twenties million year guy. But
I think it will end up being high twenty million,
And I think the argument will be a good one, like, hey,
at the end of the day, dude, you're making like

(01:59:44):
five grand, or you could make twenty million this year?
Which is it gonna be? Like, I'm gonna think about
it for a second. So um, I think it'll come
out looking like a team friendly deal. But the truth
is that any deal above twenty five is a deck
friendly deal. No Doubtt two and sixteen as a starter,
he's twenty five years of age, and he's scheduled to

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make just a hair over two million dollars in his
bass salary for this season, we go from Jerry's world
in Dallas back up to the Bay Area. Antonio Brown,
who has traded away from the Pittsburgh's to the Raiders.
His head coach John Gruden said he's not worried about
a relationship between him and his start quarterback Derek Carr.
Gruden said, quote, I'm not getting into the relationship business.

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I think Brown is a great guy. I love having
him here. Derek is a great guy. You can't rush relationship.
You just don't have a great relationship in three weeks
or two months. Brown actually did not attend the start
of organized team activities in Oakland, but Gruden said he
had no problem with it. I mean, what's she supposed
to say, right, Like Tom Coughlin calls out Tom Cofflin

(02:00:49):
calls out dudes for not showing up to ots like
Tom Coughlin such a jerk. Yeah, they're they're organ and
they're not even supposed to be there. You don't have
to be there. You NFLB was like, you can't do that.
At everybody knows he should be There're not asking that
much and you just gave him a contract after he
quit on his team. Don't love it. I think it'll

(02:01:09):
be a good relationship. Uh yeah, yeah, I think it'll look.
I think it'll work. The guy can really play. He's
a pain in the ass, everybody knows that, but hey
can really play. Fair enough, we'll head up to Minnesota now,
Ministota Vikings are attempting to keep one tight end, Kyle Rudolph.
The team offered him a contract extensions that's for five

(02:01:31):
years in place. Rudolph is currently slated to make seven
and a half million dollars for this season. He does
not want to take a hometown discount in this new contract,
and he's twenty nine years of age. Well, remember they
drafted a tight end and people are like, oh, does
that mean that Kyle Rudolf's on his way out? Like
I hung out with Kyle Rudolph at the at the
Final Four, like that, dude, he is the signature player.

(02:01:52):
He's a signature He's the guy. People like him a
lot more than like Kirk Cousins. It's not a surprise
to me, by the way, good Hooper to think, right,
big guy, big um, It's gonna go to Butler and
play basketball really power forward. Yeah, stay in the National
Football League. Everything's kind of coming around the circles for

(02:02:13):
the Cleveland Browns in the Kansas City Chiefs for that matter. Uh,
they're gonna get more coverage in the league. Announced today
at the Spring League Meeting that Cleveland has been slighted
to host the NFL Draft in Kansas City is right
behind them. They'll host the twenty three NFL Draft. No announcement, though,
has been made on the location in between A two. Wait,

(02:02:34):
so where where's When's it in l A Is it
next season? Is that building gonna be finished? No? Okay,
you're good with Cleveland and getting all this pub Yeah? Whatever, man,
I mean, obviously they went't crazy in Nashville. They'll go
crazy in Cleveland. Did the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame thing, they'll have them. Yeah. I like moving moving around.

(02:02:54):
It's great. I mean, and if they could survive those
torrential downpours in Nashville, they could do weather in Cleveland. Yeah.
I like the idea. Press. So, Juwan Howard's the new
head coach at Michigan, and I think it's cool. I
think it's cool. Um. You know, look, you're you're always
going to get people who say, well, he hasn't coached

(02:03:16):
at the college level and that's true. But having played
as long as he played and having been an assistant coach,
let's be honest, the only question becomes who's he hires staff.
Are they willing to do the little things to get
the right players that fit the culture they've already established
at Michigan. I'm intrigued to see how it works. Landon
Collins joins us tomorrow on The dug Outlip Show Fox

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