June 20, 2019 • 41 mins
Dan Beyer and Dahntay Jones, filling for Doug Gottlieb, discuss the possibility of a sign & trade that would send Kevin Durant to the Knicks. Jeff Goodman stops with how the NBA Draft will dictate what happens in free agency. The guys explain how the draft has changed throughout the years and why there is more expected from today’s rookies than years past. Finally, they bring you another award-winning edition of “Keeping Up With The Joneses!”
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It was earlier today on ESPN that Brian Windhorse said
this about the NBA runner ups, you're still in flux.
One of the things that is being discussed right now
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is that the Golden State Warriors would offer Kevin Durant
a five year contract fifty seven million dollars extra that
he could get with signing elsewhere, let him rehab and
then work with him to be traded potentially to New York,
potentially to somewhere else. Be their way to sort of
take care of him monetarily after what he just and
through and also protect the franchise to get some assets.
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If that happens, the Knicks would be in tremendous position
to get back into it because they're going to have
these some young assets plus cap space. I agree that
overall the next future it looks okay over the next
few years, but I don't know if they're going to
hit the Grand Slam. Two weeks ago, I could have
explained to you how they could have gotten Anthony Davis
and Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. And when you think
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of that, you're thinking you're winning the championship next year.
So the reality now is just altered from that possibility. Now,
this news didn't shock you. It wasn't. It wasn't out
of the roum where someone like maybe me, being a
bit naive, would be like, oh, okay, this is a
bit interesting that this wasn't shocking to you. Sign trader
has happened all the time. But this is not a
necessarily sign and trade. This is what Golden State wants.
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An ideal situation for Golden State, because what do they
get an opportunities to rehab him and try to convince him.
Allah Anthony Davis right now, well before he got traded,
convinced him to stay, Convince him that we we we've
done what we had to and if he doesn't want
to stay, um, then we'll trade at him but there
is no guarantee that he'll go where he wants to go.
There there to New York markets with assets, UM or
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other teams that have assets, and there's no what I
know about the NBA, there is no guarantee that Kevin
Durant will be traded where he wants. It was about
all about the Golden State wars They'll have all the leverage,
they'll have the ability to to play with his season
when he's available, UM and it just gives them more time.
It just helps them out. It doesn't help Kevin that
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seven million. He'll make that regardless in any other city
he goes to. But if I'm the Knicks, I'll keep
my assets inside of myself. Why do I have to
Why don't have to work with you? Yeah? That's so
that and I agree with you. That's where this is all.
Where the crux of this is is that it's who
wants this Because on the outside looking in, you're saying, oh,
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Kevin Durant can get the most money and get to
go where he wants to go, So this must be
a Kevin Durant thing. But this is a this is
a solely Golden State Warriors sort of deal. Because they're
are the ones that would be losing Kevin Durant and
not getting anything in return. They're the ones that also
would be on the hook if you keep Kevin Durant
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if you don't know how he's going to respond from
his achilles injury. And they're the ones that's gonna have
to pay step paying step Car' gonna have to play
Kay Thompson, are gonna be stuck with Draymond Green and
free agency in the year. They're the ones that have
problems with their cap and they don't have any assets
to move around or be the ability to sign people
right now, so that works in their favor. And Kevin
Durant ultimately thinking about himself because when the last time
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he thought about Golden State, look where I got him.
The the Lebron trade that people don't realize happened to
the Heat was strictly Lebron is going to Miami, right
like that was that's the way for Lebron to get
where he wanted to yes at the at that time,
and this is nothing like that at all. And and
that's that's where when when when you look at and
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the calves are okay, the Lebron could get this money.
He was going to Miami, made the announcement they were
Miami had a clear space. Yeah, they need they needed
the space to be able to sign the Brons. But
it worked. It worked for both parties. But this doesn't
work for New York because New York now can keep
Knocks and Barratt and whoever they sign or nurture and
grow and have Kevin Durant, Like, why why would I
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help you go to State? I mean, you guys have
had your run, you had your window. How much do
you think what happened in the finals? Not not the injury,
what I'm talking about is because I think it does
have something to do with it. When you saw the
makeup of the Golden State team when Kevin Durant went
down and all of a sudden, that bench, I know
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there are other injuries, but that bench became a lot thinner.
I think that this has something to do with them.
Of Like, alright, we we we kind of need to
rebuild for through ten or eleven on this team if
we're really going to compete for a championship. That's what
happens when you're top heavy, and that's what teams that
are building, like the Lakers are building like, that's what
happens when you put all your money into a few
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guys and you try to piece together your bench. That's unfortunately,
you put all the pressure on those guys to stay
healthy and and this is a business that guys have
injuries that set them down for a year or six months. Unfortunately,
if they have to play a lot of minutes to
keep you in contention from something, you put a lot
of wear and tear on their body, and you put
them at risk of not being able to to help
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you out when you need them too, because you have
so much money committed to them. So yeah, that that
is that was the prime example. They had to commit
money to Kevin Durant, commit money to Draymond, commit money
to Clay, and commit money to staff. And then now
you piece together your bench and you got money and
Andre Igodala, who's ultimately possibly thinking about um retiring, Sean
Livison thinking about retiring. Those guys have to play more minutes.
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Those guys are not able to play more minutes. They
were comfortable in the set of minutes they were playing
when they had dominant players on the court. So now
it just puts a strain on them, and they they
seem a little bit more vulnerable. I know I'm gonna
sound like I'm talking about out of both sides of
my mouth here, but I I understand where the Warriors
were coming from with those names, that if if you
could get them Arcus Cousins on that deal, you're gonna
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do it. I didn't think it would work out for them,
not that DeMarcus Cousins would get hurt. What's end. It
didn't work out, yeah, it but just it didn't work out.
It's you can't blame them for being like, this is
our core and you know what Iggy's been here for
for the run. Sean Livingston has been here for the run.
You can't blame them. But and this is where I'm
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gonna speak out of the other side of my mouth.
For an organization that prides themselves and has the provader
to talk about a forward thinking organization, I think that
they were caught up in there in their core and
that there wasn't a lot of I mean, because I
know Luney got hurt, but there just wasn't a lot
there for them. I brought up the point yesterday they
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had to go to Australia to bring in Andrew Bogut
to to provide some defense at the hoop. That's never
a good sign when you're trying to win an NBA title.
But realistic, right, guys, Teams only have a window, and
teams are paying for a window. You pay during the window,
and you pay after the window. But you want a
four to five year window of trying to win a
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championship or get multiple championships. That's all you can build
in the way this this this league is built. You
have teams are saying we're trying to build for longevity
and keep young stars. That's just not the way it
goes like you look at all the championship teams that
have had multiple championships, have been in contention for multiple championships,
it was over a time period. It was over uh,
the Miami Heat four years, UM the Calf last year,
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four years, the Boston Celtics, they had a three year window.
The Golden State Warriors one of the best teams that
we've seen in a long time. They have a five
year window. And you'll see a crumble. You don't you
don't have ten years of young people in your team
and and stars. Now, it's just it's just it's hard
to build. If you want, if you want to have
a serious window at winning a championship, you'll have a
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short span. You have to do what you have to
pay the people you have to You see the Lakers
doing that right now, trying to take advantage of the
short three or four window that you have Lebron James,
Anthony Davis in it, get a younger star are but
they'll have to start doing some other things once Lebron
James leaves. But they're paying for a three to four
year window of winning a championship and didn't be a success.
So what Golden State did? They had a success at
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what they were supposed to do. Teams are trying to
get just a window of winning. You can't have a
decade of winning. It's just it's just it's just not
logical right now. That's what's so amazing about the NFL
is where if you have a quarterback, where you would think,
like in the NBA, because it is so individual and
player driven, in star driven, that that's the case, but
it's actually the case in the NFL where if you
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have your quarterback, your window doesn't mean you're gonna win
Super Bowls, but your window can be a lot longer
because of that one guy in the NBA. It's just
not the case. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug got Leap Show weekdays in noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. He is Dante Jones. I'm sitting in for
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Doug Gottlieb as well as I'm Dan Buyerre glad to
have you here and joining us now on the Doug
gott Leap Show. Guy I haven't talked to in a
long time, but it's great to have him on stadium.
Basketball analyst Jeff Goodman joins us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Hey Jeff, how are you? What's up man? It has
been a while. How are you doing doing well? Dante
and I are hanging out getting ready for an NBA draft,
But of course NBA free agency seems to always gravitate
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towards everything, and Dante and I were just talking about
championship windows and and what the Warriors had and what
the Rockets had. Is the Boston Celtics window closed with
everything that has gone on so far in Massachusetts? Is
that window closed? With Kyrie leaving in in al Horford
likely out. I don't know the windows closed completely because
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you can never count Danny and je out from doing
something crazy and getting back in the Remember they didn't
think there was a window in Boston. And then obviously
they traded Piercing Garnett and police Billy King, and then
they uh police Bryan Colangelo as well and got Tatum
and that deal with Marquel Folk. So um, I don't
know if it's ever completely close. They still have Jason
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t of who I think can be a superstar in
the league. They still have Gordon Hayward, who if he
can get back to closer to what he was, which
was an All Star in Utah. Um, there's a chance there, uh,
you know, think about Obviously, the Hortford loss is the
one that that hurts nobody's really sad to see in
Boston Katrie Organ go Um, he became kind of unlikable
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and certainly the chemistry was not exactly great there with Kyrie.
But Horford it was a tough deal because obviously he's
been offered a four year deal in access of a
hundred millions, And if you're Danny Aings, are you willing
to give that to him when he'll be thirty seven
years old at the end of that deal. Yeah, I
think that. I think you're absolutely right. There's no need
for panic in Boston at this point in time because
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you do have a young asset in UM Jayson Tatum
and you and you have Jaylen Brown. Al Horford was
a big part of their success. UM. He's always been
a winner wherever he's going, He's set the tone. He's
an absolute professional. He's always about winning. UM. Those guys have,
especially with Gordon Haywell, will be a year better, a
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year more confident. It seems like that is a situation
ideal for winning UM. Subtraction sometimes is the best thing
for an organization. You can have too much talent. I
think Terry Rozier would be a great fit at point
guard because he sets the tone defensively, he brings energy,
He gives energy to other teammates. Like I think they're
in a in a position with their system to still
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be successful, to be as good as they were this year. UM.
But but I think it lies in al horfor the
presence like al Horf, for a professional like al Horfer
who comes to play every game every year. You know
what you're gonna get from him. And he he's happy
in being himself. He doesn't want to be more than
what he is, and that's just a winner. But you
know what, you know what the deal is. Start said.
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The hard part is even without Horford and that locker
and and he's elite level, right, elite level character all
that think about, the chemistry is not good now again
largely because of Kyrie. Um. I think Rosie is going
to be the key to this team going for it.
I do. I think Danny is is gonna have to
match whatever. Yeah, whatever he's offered UH as a restricted
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free agent, you know, hoping it's probably gonna be somewhere
in the like a thirteen maybe fifteen million a year
or something like that. Five. I think they have to
match it, and they're gonna play fast now. They're gonna
have to which they really didn't do with Kyrie. That
that doesn't it doesn't really fit Kyrie as well. Right,
Kyrie wants to play more in the half court. Um,
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now they can play fast with the Rosi and try
to get back to the way they were a couple
of years ago. Jalen Brown is terrific and transition that
that's where he thrives Tatum is good no matter how
you want to play him. Heyward, I think the same thing.
But now you gotta get a big You gotta get
a big somehow um to be able to kind of
fill the void of of Horford. And you're not gonna
find a big who did everything Corkford did on both
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ends of the court and in the locker room. You're
just not how much of Jeff Goodman. By the way,
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, He's dot Dave Jones.
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Now, there's reports that maybe
the Nets aren't is in love with Kyrie because they
wouldn't be able to bring in Kevin Durant. How much
is is there their truth to that? Or is there
more about all of the negativity that seems to be
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pouring out in that Boston, as you said, was more
than happy to maybe see him leave, that maybe they
aren't is high on bringing him in. Well, I had
heard from a source that the Knicks, when it was
all out there about the Knicks with k D and Kyrie,
that the Knicks really didn't want Kyrie unless it was
with k D that they didn't want Kyrie on his own,
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And you wonder, and I don't. I don't have great
info in this intel on with the Nets, but you wonder.
Obviously they've got to be a little bit worried here
because it's a very similar situation than the Celtics a
year and a half ago, great chemistry overachieved a bunch
of kind of tough guys who just you know, wanted
to go to battle and and and got the most
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out of their town on it. It's a very similar
situation with the next team this past year. And if
you're sal Marx, you've gotta be a little bit worried
of bringing in Kyrie. Now, if you can bring a
Kyrie and k D, anybody would do that. I mean,
anybody in the league's gonna do that. But if it's
just Kyrie, you've got to be a little bit concerned
with everything that you've heard and the fact that again
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you heard it in Cleveland and then when he got
to Boston it was like, Okay, you know what, maybe
he'll mature, maybe he'll grow up. This is the perfect
situation for Kyrie. You he couldn't have asked for a
better situation than in Boston where he's got a coach
and Brad Stephens, let's mark his smart jack threes at
a at a crazy rate, like the freedom he gives players.
Um and I've never heard anybody say a bad word
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about Brad Stephens. And it didn't even work out in Boston.
So you's gotta be a little bit concerned if you're SKS,
if you're Sean Mark, you gotta look at the situation like,
we already have somebody as good as Kyrie. Well, we
had somebody's going to Kyrie. Indiangelo Russell. He took us,
he took us to the playoffs. He was a solid citizen,
a solid teammate. We've had success with him. We'll be
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taking a gamble and taking somebody just like D'Angelo and
we will be more safer. We know what we have,
we know the commodity we have. We we were confidable,
confident and comfortable with him. Why take a chance with
Kyrie if he's not with somebody that that can come
in and we know can lead and lead us to
possibly having a window at a championship. So I understand
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how they are looking at this situation. They need somebody
else to come in with Kyrie because at best, he's
the best, second best option available if you and it's
it's not a detriment to his talent. It's just that
he's not the one that's going to lead you to
a championship. But if he's your second best guy, you
do have a championship window. Now, you're right, You're right,
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you can absolutely, I'm with ya. I mean, he's done
it before. I think it's comical the people that are
trying to say that Kyrie could end up in l
A with Lebron again. I don't think he wants to
be his little brother again. I do think I do
think I'm big. I'm big on that with Jeff. Letna
tell you why, because us now that you look at
the landscape right now, now it's about how I'm remembered.
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And when you look at the championships and you look
at the guys who have multiple championships. Yeah, when when
this thing is done and said, you're gonna say how
many how many rings that you have where you number one,
number two, were you're a champion. Scottie Pippen Scotti Pippen
was a number to his whole career but he's remembered
by every one of that era because he's a winner.
And if you don't go to a situation where you'll win,
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you will be forgotten. There's so many NBA guys who
put up points, who've made All Star teams that you
you have a hard time remember what they actually did,
what their teams really did. But the champions are forever remembered.
And if you have a window to be a part
of something special, you at least have to think about it.
Because him and Lebron have had success. And Anthony Davis,
you have to say he's better than Kevin Love unfortunately,
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who who I love to death. But Anthony Davis is
a different type of talent. They could go and do
something really special if you put those talents together. Do
you think that Carrie is mature enough to understand what
you just said. I don't. I think his I think
his business side is mature enough now. I think experience
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has taught him that we at least have to look
at it because running my own show is not what
it what is hyped up to be. Their guys who
run their own shows, who get a lot of points,
and that's just that's a lot of a headache, but
being in the finals every year is a different life.
And with with US three and Lebron ab at your doorstep.
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With US three, we could be in the finals every
year for the next four years, and this could be
year show going forward, and you could be the show
in l A. And I could leave, and I could
leave in three years. I could give you the keys
when you could have the keys. Now I know Lebron
James mindset is not one of I'm going to be
the number one option two years from now, but what
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I am going to be the most dangerous guy on
the floor. My mind is stronger than anybody in basketball,
and I'll be able to dominate, but there'll be guys
ahead of me on my team to have the character load.
He's Dante Jones, I'm Dad Buyer. Jeff Goodman joins us
here on Fox Sports Radio. Guys, clarify this for me
and Jeff, I want to start with you. We sat
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here for the last couple of days of being like, Wow,
Chris Paul the same old Chris Paul, is Kyrie Irving?
Just when when will will he ever change? Because it's
it's not just It's not just Boston and It's not
just Cleveland, just things don't at some point wherever he is,
things don't go well. I mean even the season at Duke,
and you guys would know there's a lot more than
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me injured that year. They get bounced in the sweet sixteen.
At what point do you start to recognize Jeff You
just said that he's not mature enough too. But I
mean it always seems that there's something with Kyrie. Why
is that? Well, Like, like Dante said, listen, he has
a chance to change in the narrative here, right if
he goes somewhere, accepts his role, becomes a number three
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for the next couple of years behind Lebron and a
D and they win tie els. Yeah, the whole narrative changes. Now.
I don't know if the Lakers can even afford. They
gotta make some some moves here to be able to
afford to take Kyrie on, and then how do they
fill up their roster? Uh, you've also got three injury
prone guys. I don't want to call Lebron injury prone.
He's not. He got injured his past year. But A
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D and Kyrie, I mean that's the other things you
still gotta worry about Kyrie's longevity and his knees uh
and them holding up um. But yeah, listen, I don't.
I don't think Kyrie and Chris Paul are similar in
terms of how do I say it. I think Kyrie
kind of says what's on his mind and and and
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again he's moody, um, but he doesn't hide his feelings.
He's not phony. I think a lot of people in
the league feel like Chris Paul is a little bit
fraudulent and phony. Not not with his work ethic, not
with how hard he plays, not any of that. But
there's a lot of people who don't get along with
Chris Paul because again, they they think he's a little
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bit fraudulent in some of his work. He's Jeff Goodman
for Stadium. Find him on Twitter at Goodman Hoops. Listen
to his podcast Good and Plenty. Who's the guest this week?
I jacent Tatum last week. I'll do a whole draft recap,
kind of my my take on the draft tonight. I'll
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have that up on the podcast in the morning. You know,
I do actually want to ask you about the draft.
I probably should have done that since we just sat
here and wax poetically about Kyrie for free agency. That
stuff is way more entertaining than tonight's draft, Like, well,
we'll see what happens, but it's not like tonight's draft
is we know one, two, and three? Yeah, I mean
we know the draft starts at four. But yeah, I
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was trying to explain that, but that tonight's draft sets
the tone for free agency, and a lot of things
can change according to tonight's draft on on what's going
to take place in free agency. So this is our
big warm up for to to get ready for where
people go, because this is gonna set the tone for
for a lot of people's assets going forward. I find
it funny that the is Jeff said, it's we know one, two,
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and three, but that the fourth pick isn't. The player
that gets picked is gonna tell us more about what
is happening with that pick, right right? I mean yeah,
but let's look at a situation like a guy like
Terry Rozier, who I'm high on, or D'Angelo Russell. Right,
if the teams that need point guards pick point guards
and invest in them in the draft, then that means
that they won't throw crazy money at Terry Rosier, and
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I think that he's gonna Terry or and they have
like the Lakers would be perfect for one or for
either one of those two guys. But if they go
and pick a point guard, it sets the tone for
what their next what their next need is going to be,
or where that Well, let me let me ask Jeff this,
and Jeff, I know you're generous with your time and
we'll let you run after this. But if the Pelicans take,
say Darius Garland at number four, and now you've just
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done it dealectly with Lonzo Ball, doesn't that say something
about what could happen with that pick? Or the Lakers
take Garland at four, doesn't that say something? Well? Here,
here's what I think, and what I've been told is
David Griffin wants to move that number four pick. He
understands end uh that right now. Uh, there's not a
ton of demand for the number four pick. There's not
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a big difference between four and ten in this draft.
So he's trying to move down. He's hoping to get
maybe a player on a good contract, you know, Robert
Covington type, something like that. Many many Minnesota's at eleven,
some somebody like that, Atlanta eight and ten to move up.
I actually think that's the perfect marriage here. Atlanta could
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use a guy like DeAndre Hunter, right. They need defense,
they need length, they need a guy, another guy, a
big wing like that Hunter could help. And in return,
then you're if you're David Griffin, you got eight and ten,
and maybe you could pull two more starters out of
eight and ten, maybe get a big in Jackson Hayes
uh and then get another wing like Rui Hachimura at ten.
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And I think both teams would would benefit Chicago if
they love Darius Garland. Anybody loves Darius Garland, maybe they
move up. And that's where Griff is hoping. As we
get close to the draft here, the value goes up
for that number four pick. Somebody wants a Darius Garland
and that's the guy that I think will create more
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interest for this pick if he's gonna deal it. Me
and me and Hartman were talking this weekend about um
that that that type of swap from Atlanta taking swapping
the number four pick for eight and ten, taking somebody
like Brandon Ingram who's going to be stuck in New
Orleans between Zion and whatever they bring in and go
and get a four, and if you could, if you could,
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if you could take Brandon Ingram and a tenth pick
and go get Robert Coverts, and that's a win because
you still got the eighth pick, and you can get
what you ultimately wanted with with the eighth pick. So
I think there's that's a scenario to eighth and tin swap.
That's a scenario you can package stuff that you already
have with one of those picks and still ultimately accomplish
your goal. Or take them like you said, and go
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get a Cam Reddish and and and and a big
man with the number ten and and take a gamble
on on one of the players that you think has
a high upside but might not be valued as much
by other teams. So you're swapping that for the for
the eight and ten, I think is what David Griffin
is gonna end up ultimately doing. I think Atlanta, Atlanta
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right now is for an eight and seventeen that's not enough.
But I think if they get to eight and ten,
I think then David Griffin makes the move. Jeff Goodman,
we appreciate the time, of course, follow him on Twitter
at Goodman Hoops, check out the podcast and ritam at Stadium,
my basketball analyst, appreciate it. Jeff, good to talk to you.
Be sure to catch live edition so the Doug Dot
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Leap Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. The
NBA Draft is definitely changed. I remember, I vividly remember
the night that Chris Hardaway and Anthony Chris Webber and
Anthony Hardaway were traded for each other when Orlando had
won the lottery for the second straight year, they had
the number one overall pick. Magic take Chris Webber, Golden
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State ends up taking Penny Hardaway, and then you have
that swap, like the those are the those are the
things that that I remember, and Dante, I also remember
the times when maybe at the sixth overall pick, you
still could get a guy that maybe could be the
face of your franchise, maybe a guy that could be
the Robin to the Batman that's already there as you're
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trying to build something. And I don't see that, not
only in the twenty nine team draft, but really in
any recent draft. Once you get out of the top
two or three, there is no well, this guy is
really a a a great fit. This is gonna be
the guy. It's all about possibility and potential, And I
don't think it was like that twenty years ago, twenty
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five years ago. The the this of what we've got
in the NBA is just all about potential. Maybe it's
how the game changed, but we don't see the franchise
cornerstones being drafted. You're just keeping your fingers crossed hoping
you're drafting those cornerstones for the franchise. I kind of disagree, okay,
because let's hear it. When when the Spurs drafts Quai,
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they knew something we didn't know. I was on the
Pacers at that point in time, traded George Hill for him,
like they wanted that pick, They wanted that guy. They
knew about it. Uh, when the Pacers rafted Paul George,
he wasn't a top two pick, but they knew he
was going to be the cornerstone for there. You really
thought that they were like this is going to like
Paul George is going to be the the All Star player.
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Really you think at that At that mom Larry Bird
told me that, like, listen, we got a kid that
is going to be an All Star. Um, we need
we need some help and and in developing him. But
he's going to be an All star in our league. Um,
and you might have to lose some minutes to him
because we have to get him going and and and
start his trajectory early. So like they knew these things.
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They're they're Jimmy Butler was a top twenty pick, like
they're guys who are there are guys who have been
All Stars and have been like foundational pieces that have
not been and that they have not been in top
five picks. I I am, and even the top five
picks sometimes most of the time they don't even really
work out. I with with the way that the NBA
draft is, it's now it's about trying to draft the
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guy to hit that home run. Well, I think like
you would, you would try to get guys that we
knew more about the college players years ago. I mean,
we knew Chris Webber spent two years in college. You
knew what he was gonna do. You knew what Penny
harder Away he was gonna do. Heck, I kind of
know what Calbert Cheney was going to do, like back
in those days. Here, all of a sudden last year,
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if you're drafting tenure hoping Zack Collins in the draft
works out for Portland's like like it's hopefully he'll end
up being a guy that that we can use. But
I don't think they're saying that, like all right, we've
got we got Zack Collins. He's going to be our guy.
And I just don't think that in the draft, like yeah,
there maybe a Paul George Janness was taking Steph Curry
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like they were they were looking at these guys like
you know, Bradley Bill wasn't a hot to pick, so
you said out of one and two, like you know,
they look at corner stones, none you can find these people.
It's all about you doing your homework and you and
you know what you're drafting and not jumping on waves
and like, oh this guy is great because even um
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who was the Calves pick Anthony Bennett, Yeah, I was
a man at home screaming like no way, Like what
what do you guys doing? They thought they had a day,
they had their cornerstone and dominant and rough they messed
that totally up. And and just because you draft somebody
number one, does not you put too much pressure on them,
Like even let's look, let's look at Zion RJ. Barrett
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was supposed to be the number one pick this draft,
so you could possibly get the best prayer in the
draft at number three, who would be the best, who
people have thought to be the best. It's a possibility.
Zion has talent you can't pass up on, and it's
an opportunity that you really can't miss. But there's still
room for guys to get it. You look like a
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guy like Cam Reddish, who the people in his class
say he was the toughest guy for them. The guard
that's his peers. You gotta look at where his peers
rank him rather than where all the guys who speak
on potential, because those guys can get out of control sometimes.
But I also think that the difference is their front
offices that know what they're doing. There's something that there's
a there's a very few front officers know what they're
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doing and they're and they they live off of those
those front officers that don't know what they're doing. Uh,
spurs know what they're doing. They always seem to find
the right pick at the right spot. Um, you guys,
you got you got you gotta. David Griffin, he he
knows he knows what he's doing over there. You have
Messiah Jerry like he Pascal Siakam. He could end up
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being the best player on that Toronto Raptors team. And
and Um Massiah was deliberate about getting that kid who
he saw something in and saw his growth and saw
that he don't be playing basketball. Did his homework for
playing basketball for five years, did his homework on the kid,
knew his work ethic, like you gotta really do your
homework and not ride waves or or not depend on
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people who are really not during their jobs. If I
were to ask you, by the way, he's Dot the Jones,
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlib Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Out of the last six NBA drafts,
of the top ten picks of the sixty players. I
know I'm not trying to set you up, but I
just I think that these numbers are interesting. How many
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All Stars do you think came from those sixty picks
over the last six years for the top ten picks.
And it's not it's not a matter of if it's
right or wrong, it's just how many All Stars are
the last six years? Sixty people I think first time
or multiple just just could be a multiple All Star
but have been named to an All Star team at
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least one All Star team. Let's say, okay, there are six, Okay, okay,
so there's there's another guy overlooked that that will be
an All Star coming up. Devin Booker. M hm, he's
on track to be the best shooting guard in the game.
Very good. Yes, absolutely, no, no, no, he could be
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a great I'm a Devin Booker fan. It's not, but
it's what I what I what I need you to understand.
It's not. It's also fit. It's the organization putting the
right piece around him for them to be successful. So
it's not necessarily the pick. It's the organization's job to
make that pick be what it's supposed to be. There's
also a luck jam of really darn good veterans that's
tough to break through. Like in the Western Conference when
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it was you still have that of breaking it up.
But when you're trying to break through, when you have
hardened staff Westbrook, Damian Lillard like, to get a to
get a spot on a Western Conference All Star team
is difficult if you're a backcourt player. The point is, though,
with this is there were six All Stars, only two
of those players in that sixty have received any All
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NBA notoriety. So the point is more of it takes
a long time, Like it takes like we're like looking
for these guys, and I felt like twenty and twenty
five years ago, these guys were immediately brought in the
you know, Penny Hardaway is playing in the finals with
Shack and you know in two or three years, and
I know it's a rare circumstance, but these guys were
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were it seemed to be exploding on the scene a
lot quicker. We don't have any All Star appearances from
the last two NBA drafts. You only have Ben Simmons
from draft and the only guys that have been drafted
in the top ten. And that's what I'm talking about,
because there are gms that will find guys that work.
J honest was the fifteenth overall pick in Joel Empide
and Victor Oladipo are the only two top ten picks
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of the last six drafts to receive All NBA recognition.
It just it takes a while, it really does. That's
the thing that that I say about this of of
finding out who's gonna make it, who's who's going to
be surrounded by a good team. There's so much chance.
And I'm using the air quotes on this, but it
takes a while for these guys to develop. And that's
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also what's different from twenty years. It's now hard to
make it on All in b A on our Star
team without winning and top ten picks picks usually not
putting winning situations. So now the voters are are counting
winning and not just taking stats in consideration. I think
that was a thing of that time as well, of
that era. If you were putting up great numbers and
you're exciting to watch, you have an opportunity to to
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to probably make an All Star team or make an
All NBA team just because of what you were doing.
There's more, there's more attention paid to if they're in
a winning situation. Look at Atlanta Hawks. They got four
All Stars one year and Kyle Corford was one of them.
And not saying he wasn't he's not. He's a he
was a bad player, but he's just he's not. He's
not your type of talent. Draymond Green is made an
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All Star appearance because of winning. People are are attaching
winning to these accolades now, which which, which which which?
Kind of pushing that envelope because the top ten picks
are usually not in winning situations. Teams are tanking usually
and those top ten teams are usually trying to get
multiple picks. Like it's a it's a tough situation for
a kid to be able to fight through that because
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he may not be put in a right situation because
the team has taken three years to build through the draft,
like that is a process that goes building through the
draft right now, and it doesn't come with winning, So
then that puts him in a bad situation to get
those accolades. In sixteen, Ben Simmons man an All Star
game from the draft. It was Christops Porzingis, Karl Anthony
towns In, D'Angelo Russell have ben All Stars. I mentioned
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Joel Embiid. He's the only guy in the top ten
fromen to make an All Star team. Victor Oladipo the
only one from draft that you kind of referenced with.
Bradley Beale had a d Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond
all being gamed to All Star teams in a D.
Dame and Drummond received All NBA Notoriety. Fox Sports Radio
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(35:05):
It is again. I miss you, John, Ready to go?
This is I was a fun game. So we have
we have we have some some notes about Dante's life.
We also have some notes about Tommy Lee Jones's life
and Julio Jones's life. So Jones gotta determine whether these
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scenarios have occurred to Dante Jones, Falcons Wide Receiver, Julio Jones,
or Oscar Award winning actors. And how I should say it,
Johnnyvie guys, Tommy Lee Jones, All right, John? In our
first scenario and keeping up with the Jones is which
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Jones has a son that had aspirations to be an
F one or Indy car driver? Was it Tommy Lee Jones,
Julio Jones or Dante Jones. That's a good yes, Yes,
I'm gonna say that would be uh, Tommy Lee Jones.
No that Unfortunately, you don't listen to my show right
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out fairness, Dante. If John hates Steve harton my son,
I took him to the fire and he fell in
love with it. But now he's like five ten now,
so I think those aspirations are going out the window.
But he was enamored by the speed and everything, and
he was like he tried to change his career path
at that point. The back seats to fit a five
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ten teenager. Keeping up with the Joneses, John is over one, okay?
Which Jones speaks fluent Spanish? Julio Jones? You would think
right by got him? Tommy leads tom Jones. By the
way John put the Jones so far with the number
(37:01):
that he's gone. Oh, which Jones was once hurt falling
off of a horse? Was it Tommy Lee Jones, Julio
Jones or Dante. So we've done Dante, We've done Tommy Lee,
so I'm guessing it's Julio this time. It was Tommy Lee. Question.
He is a he is a polo aficionado and fell
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off a horse once and was uh the cause of
the accident horseplay. Okay, okay. Whose first name is actually
a nickname? Is it Dante Jones, Tommy Lee Jones or
Julio Jones. First name is actually a nickname? The name
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to myself, like for me a nickname, Julio, Hey, Julio.
I would say Dante. It is my first try. How
you serious? Dante? Spell it can't be real. First name
is David, We'll call Dante for yeah. Yeah, Julio Jones.
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Real name is Quintaurus Lopez Jones. I keep that first. Yeah.
They nicknamed his mom nicknamed him Julio in seventh grade?
Oh what else did again? Quintaurus Quintaurus Lope Lopez Jones.
I feel better about mine now? What Jones is a
novice bowler, I'd say, Dante. Strike? Yes, you got that
(38:44):
strike one like you hit a strike as a bowler. Yes,
very nice. Finally, yes, my grandfather spent a lot of
time bowling, even like my oldest son is a really really,
really really good bowler. But we spent a lot of
time on the lane's when when we're not playing basketball?
All right, Johnny, got you more? You're ready? I am ready? Yes?
What Jones has recently been spotted wearing a Fannie pack.
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I know Coatina and Mobili were a Fannie pack this
week during the show during Yes, Yes, who was keeping
on it? I'm gonna say, Julio Dante Jones, Yes, yes, yeah,
I had it coming in right now, had coming in.
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I put mine down when I came in right Why
I keep it the whole show? Walking on John is
the Miami Marlins of this game. The winning percentages is strong. Alright,
Final one? You're ready? Yes, once lost a one hundred
thousand dollar diamond while jet skiing. Dad, I'm gonna give
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you these are the hardest questions. They're really hard. I'm
gonna say, Julio, that is correct, That is correct. Was
wearing diamond earrings. Was looking at you like, how did
you know my wife lost a weather ring in the
ocean one time? Almost like the same situation, really almost
(40:09):
killed her. Jeez, did you see it? Like floating down?
And um, I was was that? I was Andre Gadario's
wedding and me, Draymond and Jermaine O'Neil took our wives
and we went on a little um like a little
little boat and we're hanging out and and we all
jumped into the water, and then my wife was swimming
look at me in my eyes and she said, she said,
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oh we're talking about she's look she's patting and looking
at him. Oh, my ring just fell off. I said,
what do you mean? And I dove down. But it
was over at that point time. That's why I tell
my wife I never wear my ring. No, I'm I'm
just getting lass. It's on here by. I'll give you
an easy one. John who played in an historic college
football game where his team rallied from a late sixteen
(40:52):
point deficit to their rival. Historic college football game. Yeah,
Lee Jones, Jo Tommy Lee Jones, Yeah, I tricked, Yeah, yeah,
yeah from Harvard. Yeah. I played at the Harvard Yale game.
Harvard batl Alright, he's not Yeah he did. Hey, you
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got to you know, the two out of nine is
not bad when you're coming off the bench to pinch hit.
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It was earlier today on ESPN that Brian Windhorse said
this about the NBA runner ups, you're still in flux.
One of the things that is being discussed right now
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is that the Golden State Warriors would offer Kevin Durant
a five year contract fifty seven million dollars extra that
he could get with signing elsewhere, let him rehab and
then work with him to be traded potentially to New York,
potentially to somewhere else. Be their way to sort of
take care of him monetarily after what he just and
through and also protect the franchise to get some assets.
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If that happens, the Knicks would be in tremendous position
to get back into it because they're going to have
these some young assets plus cap space. I agree that
overall the next future it looks okay over the next
few years, but I don't know if they're going to
hit the Grand Slam. Two weeks ago, I could have
explained to you how they could have gotten Anthony Davis
and Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. And when you think
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of that, you're thinking you're winning the championship next year.
So the reality now is just altered from that possibility. Now,
this news didn't shock you. It wasn't. It wasn't out
of the roum where someone like maybe me, being a
bit naive, would be like, oh, okay, this is a
bit interesting that this wasn't shocking to you. Sign trader
has happened all the time. But this is not a
necessarily sign and trade. This is what Golden State wants.
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An ideal situation for Golden State, because what do they
get an opportunities to rehab him and try to convince him.
Allah Anthony Davis right now, well before he got traded,
convinced him to stay, Convince him that we we we've
done what we had to and if he doesn't want
to stay, um, then we'll trade at him but there
is no guarantee that he'll go where he wants to go.
There there to New York markets with assets, UM or
(02:06):
other teams that have assets, and there's no what I
know about the NBA, there is no guarantee that Kevin
Durant will be traded where he wants. It was about
all about the Golden State wars They'll have all the leverage,
they'll have the ability to to play with his season
when he's available, UM and it just gives them more time.
It just helps them out. It doesn't help Kevin that
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seven million. He'll make that regardless in any other city
he goes to. But if I'm the Knicks, I'll keep
my assets inside of myself. Why do I have to
Why don't have to work with you? Yeah? That's so
that and I agree with you. That's where this is all.
Where the crux of this is is that it's who
wants this Because on the outside looking in, you're saying, oh,
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Kevin Durant can get the most money and get to
go where he wants to go, So this must be
a Kevin Durant thing. But this is a this is
a solely Golden State Warriors sort of deal. Because they're
are the ones that would be losing Kevin Durant and
not getting anything in return. They're the ones that also
would be on the hook if you keep Kevin Durant
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if you don't know how he's going to respond from
his achilles injury. And they're the ones that's gonna have
to pay step paying step Car' gonna have to play
Kay Thompson, are gonna be stuck with Draymond Green and
free agency in the year. They're the ones that have
problems with their cap and they don't have any assets
to move around or be the ability to sign people
right now, so that works in their favor. And Kevin
Durant ultimately thinking about himself because when the last time
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he thought about Golden State, look where I got him.
The the Lebron trade that people don't realize happened to
the Heat was strictly Lebron is going to Miami, right
like that was that's the way for Lebron to get
where he wanted to yes at the at that time,
and this is nothing like that at all. And and
that's that's where when when when you look at and
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the calves are okay, the Lebron could get this money.
He was going to Miami, made the announcement they were
Miami had a clear space. Yeah, they need they needed
the space to be able to sign the Brons. But
it worked. It worked for both parties. But this doesn't
work for New York because New York now can keep
Knocks and Barratt and whoever they sign or nurture and
grow and have Kevin Durant, Like, why why would I
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help you go to State? I mean, you guys have
had your run, you had your window. How much do
you think what happened in the finals? Not not the injury,
what I'm talking about is because I think it does
have something to do with it. When you saw the
makeup of the Golden State team when Kevin Durant went
down and all of a sudden, that bench, I know
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there are other injuries, but that bench became a lot thinner.
I think that this has something to do with them.
Of Like, alright, we we we kind of need to
rebuild for through ten or eleven on this team if
we're really going to compete for a championship. That's what
happens when you're top heavy, and that's what teams that
are building, like the Lakers are building like, that's what
happens when you put all your money into a few
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guys and you try to piece together your bench. That's unfortunately,
you put all the pressure on those guys to stay
healthy and and this is a business that guys have
injuries that set them down for a year or six months. Unfortunately,
if they have to play a lot of minutes to
keep you in contention from something, you put a lot
of wear and tear on their body, and you put
them at risk of not being able to to help
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you out when you need them too, because you have
so much money committed to them. So yeah, that that
is that was the prime example. They had to commit
money to Kevin Durant, commit money to Draymond, commit money
to Clay, and commit money to staff. And then now
you piece together your bench and you got money and
Andre Igodala, who's ultimately possibly thinking about um retiring, Sean
Livison thinking about retiring. Those guys have to play more minutes.
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Those guys are not able to play more minutes. They
were comfortable in the set of minutes they were playing
when they had dominant players on the court. So now
it just puts a strain on them, and they they
seem a little bit more vulnerable. I know I'm gonna
sound like I'm talking about out of both sides of
my mouth here, but I I understand where the Warriors
were coming from with those names, that if if you
could get them Arcus Cousins on that deal, you're gonna
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do it. I didn't think it would work out for them,
not that DeMarcus Cousins would get hurt. What's end. It
didn't work out, yeah, it but just it didn't work out.
It's you can't blame them for being like, this is
our core and you know what Iggy's been here for
for the run. Sean Livingston has been here for the run.
You can't blame them. But and this is where I'm
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gonna speak out of the other side of my mouth.
For an organization that prides themselves and has the provader
to talk about a forward thinking organization, I think that
they were caught up in there in their core and
that there wasn't a lot of I mean, because I
know Luney got hurt, but there just wasn't a lot
there for them. I brought up the point yesterday they
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had to go to Australia to bring in Andrew Bogut
to to provide some defense at the hoop. That's never
a good sign when you're trying to win an NBA title.
But realistic, right, guys, Teams only have a window, and
teams are paying for a window. You pay during the window,
and you pay after the window. But you want a
four to five year window of trying to win a
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championship or get multiple championships. That's all you can build
in the way this this this league is built. You
have teams are saying we're trying to build for longevity
and keep young stars. That's just not the way it
goes like you look at all the championship teams that
have had multiple championships, have been in contention for multiple championships,
it was over a time period. It was over uh,
the Miami Heat four years, UM the Calf last year,
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four years, the Boston Celtics, they had a three year window.
The Golden State Warriors one of the best teams that
we've seen in a long time. They have a five
year window. And you'll see a crumble. You don't you
don't have ten years of young people in your team
and and stars. Now, it's just it's just it's hard
to build. If you want, if you want to have
a serious window at winning a championship, you'll have a
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short span. You have to do what you have to
pay the people you have to You see the Lakers
doing that right now, trying to take advantage of the
short three or four window that you have Lebron James,
Anthony Davis in it, get a younger star are but
they'll have to start doing some other things once Lebron
James leaves. But they're paying for a three to four
year window of winning a championship and didn't be a success.
So what Golden State did? They had a success at
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what they were supposed to do. Teams are trying to
get just a window of winning. You can't have a
decade of winning. It's just it's just it's just not
logical right now. That's what's so amazing about the NFL
is where if you have a quarterback, where you would think,
like in the NBA, because it is so individual and
player driven, in star driven, that that's the case, but
it's actually the case in the NFL where if you
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have your quarterback, your window doesn't mean you're gonna win
Super Bowls, but your window can be a lot longer
because of that one guy in the NBA. It's just
not the case. Be sure to catch live editions of
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(08:52):
Doug Gottlieb as well as I'm Dan Buyerre glad to
have you here and joining us now on the Doug
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long time, but it's great to have him on stadium.
Basketball analyst Jeff Goodman joins us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Hey Jeff, how are you? What's up man? It has
been a while. How are you doing doing well? Dante
and I are hanging out getting ready for an NBA draft,
But of course NBA free agency seems to always gravitate
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towards everything, and Dante and I were just talking about
championship windows and and what the Warriors had and what
the Rockets had. Is the Boston Celtics window closed with
everything that has gone on so far in Massachusetts? Is
that window closed? With Kyrie leaving in in al Horford
likely out. I don't know the windows closed completely because
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you can never count Danny and je out from doing
something crazy and getting back in the Remember they didn't
think there was a window in Boston. And then obviously
they traded Piercing Garnett and police Billy King, and then
they uh police Bryan Colangelo as well and got Tatum
and that deal with Marquel Folk. So um, I don't
know if it's ever completely close. They still have Jason
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t of who I think can be a superstar in
the league. They still have Gordon Hayward, who if he
can get back to closer to what he was, which
was an All Star in Utah. Um, there's a chance there, uh,
you know, think about Obviously, the Hortford loss is the
one that that hurts nobody's really sad to see in
Boston Katrie Organ go Um, he became kind of unlikable
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and certainly the chemistry was not exactly great there with Kyrie.
But Horford it was a tough deal because obviously he's
been offered a four year deal in access of a
hundred millions, And if you're Danny Aings, are you willing
to give that to him when he'll be thirty seven
years old at the end of that deal. Yeah, I
think that. I think you're absolutely right. There's no need
for panic in Boston at this point in time because
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you do have a young asset in UM Jayson Tatum
and you and you have Jaylen Brown. Al Horford was
a big part of their success. UM. He's always been
a winner wherever he's going, He's set the tone. He's
an absolute professional. He's always about winning. UM. Those guys have,
especially with Gordon Haywell, will be a year better, a
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year more confident. It seems like that is a situation
ideal for winning UM. Subtraction sometimes is the best thing
for an organization. You can have too much talent. I
think Terry Rozier would be a great fit at point
guard because he sets the tone defensively, he brings energy,
He gives energy to other teammates. Like I think they're
in a in a position with their system to still
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be successful, to be as good as they were this year. UM.
But but I think it lies in al horfor the
presence like al Horf, for a professional like al Horfer
who comes to play every game every year. You know
what you're gonna get from him. And he he's happy
in being himself. He doesn't want to be more than
what he is, and that's just a winner. But you
know what, you know what the deal is. Start said.
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The hard part is even without Horford and that locker
and and he's elite level, right, elite level character all
that think about, the chemistry is not good now again
largely because of Kyrie. Um. I think Rosie is going
to be the key to this team going for it.
I do. I think Danny is is gonna have to
match whatever. Yeah, whatever he's offered UH as a restricted
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free agent, you know, hoping it's probably gonna be somewhere
in the like a thirteen maybe fifteen million a year
or something like that. Five. I think they have to
match it, and they're gonna play fast now. They're gonna
have to which they really didn't do with Kyrie. That
that doesn't it doesn't really fit Kyrie as well. Right,
Kyrie wants to play more in the half court. Um,
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now they can play fast with the Rosi and try
to get back to the way they were a couple
of years ago. Jalen Brown is terrific and transition that
that's where he thrives Tatum is good no matter how
you want to play him. Heyward, I think the same thing.
But now you gotta get a big You gotta get
a big somehow um to be able to kind of
fill the void of of Horford. And you're not gonna
find a big who did everything Corkford did on both
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ends of the court and in the locker room. You're
just not how much of Jeff Goodman. By the way,
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, He's dot Dave Jones.
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Now, there's reports that maybe
the Nets aren't is in love with Kyrie because they
wouldn't be able to bring in Kevin Durant. How much
is is there their truth to that? Or is there
more about all of the negativity that seems to be
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pouring out in that Boston, as you said, was more
than happy to maybe see him leave, that maybe they
aren't is high on bringing him in. Well, I had
heard from a source that the Knicks, when it was
all out there about the Knicks with k D and Kyrie,
that the Knicks really didn't want Kyrie unless it was
with k D that they didn't want Kyrie on his own,
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And you wonder, and I don't. I don't have great
info in this intel on with the Nets, but you wonder.
Obviously they've got to be a little bit worried here
because it's a very similar situation than the Celtics a
year and a half ago, great chemistry overachieved a bunch
of kind of tough guys who just you know, wanted
to go to battle and and and got the most
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out of their town on it. It's a very similar
situation with the next team this past year. And if
you're sal Marx, you've gotta be a little bit worried
of bringing in Kyrie. Now, if you can bring a
Kyrie and k D, anybody would do that. I mean,
anybody in the league's gonna do that. But if it's
just Kyrie, you've got to be a little bit concerned
with everything that you've heard and the fact that again
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you heard it in Cleveland and then when he got
to Boston it was like, Okay, you know what, maybe
he'll mature, maybe he'll grow up. This is the perfect
situation for Kyrie. You he couldn't have asked for a
better situation than in Boston where he's got a coach
and Brad Stephens, let's mark his smart jack threes at
a at a crazy rate, like the freedom he gives players.
Um and I've never heard anybody say a bad word
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about Brad Stephens. And it didn't even work out in Boston.
So you's gotta be a little bit concerned if you're SKS,
if you're Sean Mark, you gotta look at the situation like,
we already have somebody as good as Kyrie. Well, we
had somebody's going to Kyrie. Indiangelo Russell. He took us,
he took us to the playoffs. He was a solid citizen,
a solid teammate. We've had success with him. We'll be
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taking a gamble and taking somebody just like D'Angelo and
we will be more safer. We know what we have,
we know the commodity we have. We we were confidable,
confident and comfortable with him. Why take a chance with
Kyrie if he's not with somebody that that can come
in and we know can lead and lead us to
possibly having a window at a championship. So I understand
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how they are looking at this situation. They need somebody
else to come in with Kyrie because at best, he's
the best, second best option available if you and it's
it's not a detriment to his talent. It's just that
he's not the one that's going to lead you to
a championship. But if he's your second best guy, you
do have a championship window. Now, you're right, You're right,
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you can absolutely, I'm with ya. I mean, he's done
it before. I think it's comical the people that are
trying to say that Kyrie could end up in l
A with Lebron again. I don't think he wants to
be his little brother again. I do think I do
think I'm big. I'm big on that with Jeff. Letna
tell you why, because us now that you look at
the landscape right now, now it's about how I'm remembered.
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And when you look at the championships and you look
at the guys who have multiple championships. Yeah, when when
this thing is done and said, you're gonna say how
many how many rings that you have where you number one,
number two, were you're a champion. Scottie Pippen Scotti Pippen
was a number to his whole career but he's remembered
by every one of that era because he's a winner.
And if you don't go to a situation where you'll win,
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you will be forgotten. There's so many NBA guys who
put up points, who've made All Star teams that you
you have a hard time remember what they actually did,
what their teams really did. But the champions are forever remembered.
And if you have a window to be a part
of something special, you at least have to think about it.
Because him and Lebron have had success. And Anthony Davis,
you have to say he's better than Kevin Love unfortunately,
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who who I love to death. But Anthony Davis is
a different type of talent. They could go and do
something really special if you put those talents together. Do
you think that Carrie is mature enough to understand what
you just said. I don't. I think his I think
his business side is mature enough now. I think experience
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has taught him that we at least have to look
at it because running my own show is not what
it what is hyped up to be. Their guys who
run their own shows, who get a lot of points,
and that's just that's a lot of a headache, but
being in the finals every year is a different life.
And with with US three and Lebron ab at your doorstep.
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With US three, we could be in the finals every
year for the next four years, and this could be
year show going forward, and you could be the show
in l A. And I could leave, and I could
leave in three years. I could give you the keys
when you could have the keys. Now I know Lebron
James mindset is not one of I'm going to be
the number one option two years from now, but what
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I am going to be the most dangerous guy on
the floor. My mind is stronger than anybody in basketball,
and I'll be able to dominate, but there'll be guys
ahead of me on my team to have the character load.
He's Dante Jones, I'm Dad Buyer. Jeff Goodman joins us
here on Fox Sports Radio. Guys, clarify this for me
and Jeff, I want to start with you. We sat
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here for the last couple of days of being like, Wow,
Chris Paul the same old Chris Paul, is Kyrie Irving?
Just when when will will he ever change? Because it's
it's not just It's not just Boston and It's not
just Cleveland, just things don't at some point wherever he is,
things don't go well. I mean even the season at Duke,
and you guys would know there's a lot more than
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me injured that year. They get bounced in the sweet sixteen.
At what point do you start to recognize Jeff You
just said that he's not mature enough too. But I
mean it always seems that there's something with Kyrie. Why
is that? Well, Like, like Dante said, listen, he has
a chance to change in the narrative here, right if
he goes somewhere, accepts his role, becomes a number three
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for the next couple of years behind Lebron and a
D and they win tie els. Yeah, the whole narrative changes. Now.
I don't know if the Lakers can even afford. They
gotta make some some moves here to be able to
afford to take Kyrie on, and then how do they
fill up their roster? Uh, you've also got three injury
prone guys. I don't want to call Lebron injury prone.
He's not. He got injured his past year. But A
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D and Kyrie, I mean that's the other things you
still gotta worry about Kyrie's longevity and his knees uh
and them holding up um. But yeah, listen, I don't.
I don't think Kyrie and Chris Paul are similar in
terms of how do I say it. I think Kyrie
kind of says what's on his mind and and and
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again he's moody, um, but he doesn't hide his feelings.
He's not phony. I think a lot of people in
the league feel like Chris Paul is a little bit
fraudulent and phony. Not not with his work ethic, not
with how hard he plays, not any of that. But
there's a lot of people who don't get along with
Chris Paul because again, they they think he's a little
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bit fraudulent in some of his work. He's Jeff Goodman
for Stadium. Find him on Twitter at Goodman Hoops. Listen
to his podcast Good and Plenty. Who's the guest this week?
I jacent Tatum last week. I'll do a whole draft recap,
kind of my my take on the draft tonight. I'll
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have that up on the podcast in the morning. You know,
I do actually want to ask you about the draft.
I probably should have done that since we just sat
here and wax poetically about Kyrie for free agency. That
stuff is way more entertaining than tonight's draft, Like, well,
we'll see what happens, but it's not like tonight's draft
is we know one, two, and three? Yeah, I mean
we know the draft starts at four. But yeah, I
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was trying to explain that, but that tonight's draft sets
the tone for free agency, and a lot of things
can change according to tonight's draft on on what's going
to take place in free agency. So this is our
big warm up for to to get ready for where
people go, because this is gonna set the tone for
for a lot of people's assets going forward. I find
it funny that the is Jeff said, it's we know one, two,
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and three, but that the fourth pick isn't. The player
that gets picked is gonna tell us more about what
is happening with that pick, right right? I mean yeah,
but let's look at a situation like a guy like
Terry Rozier, who I'm high on, or D'Angelo Russell. Right,
if the teams that need point guards pick point guards
and invest in them in the draft, then that means
that they won't throw crazy money at Terry Rosier, and
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I think that he's gonna Terry or and they have
like the Lakers would be perfect for one or for
either one of those two guys. But if they go
and pick a point guard, it sets the tone for
what their next what their next need is going to be,
or where that Well, let me let me ask Jeff this,
and Jeff, I know you're generous with your time and
we'll let you run after this. But if the Pelicans take,
say Darius Garland at number four, and now you've just
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done it dealectly with Lonzo Ball, doesn't that say something
about what could happen with that pick? Or the Lakers
take Garland at four, doesn't that say something? Well? Here,
here's what I think, and what I've been told is
David Griffin wants to move that number four pick. He
understands end uh that right now. Uh, there's not a
ton of demand for the number four pick. There's not
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a big difference between four and ten in this draft.
So he's trying to move down. He's hoping to get
maybe a player on a good contract, you know, Robert
Covington type, something like that. Many many Minnesota's at eleven,
some somebody like that, Atlanta eight and ten to move up.
I actually think that's the perfect marriage here. Atlanta could
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use a guy like DeAndre Hunter, right. They need defense,
they need length, they need a guy, another guy, a
big wing like that Hunter could help. And in return,
then you're if you're David Griffin, you got eight and ten,
and maybe you could pull two more starters out of
eight and ten, maybe get a big in Jackson Hayes
uh and then get another wing like Rui Hachimura at ten.
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And I think both teams would would benefit Chicago if
they love Darius Garland. Anybody loves Darius Garland, maybe they
move up. And that's where Griff is hoping. As we
get close to the draft here, the value goes up
for that number four pick. Somebody wants a Darius Garland
and that's the guy that I think will create more
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interest for this pick if he's gonna deal it. Me
and me and Hartman were talking this weekend about um
that that that type of swap from Atlanta taking swapping
the number four pick for eight and ten, taking somebody
like Brandon Ingram who's going to be stuck in New
Orleans between Zion and whatever they bring in and go
and get a four, and if you could, if you could,
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if you could take Brandon Ingram and a tenth pick
and go get Robert Coverts, and that's a win because
you still got the eighth pick, and you can get
what you ultimately wanted with with the eighth pick. So
I think there's that's a scenario to eighth and tin swap.
That's a scenario you can package stuff that you already
have with one of those picks and still ultimately accomplish
your goal. Or take them like you said, and go
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get a Cam Reddish and and and and a big
man with the number ten and and take a gamble
on on one of the players that you think has
a high upside but might not be valued as much
by other teams. So you're swapping that for the for
the eight and ten, I think is what David Griffin
is gonna end up ultimately doing. I think Atlanta, Atlanta
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right now is for an eight and seventeen that's not enough.
But I think if they get to eight and ten,
I think then David Griffin makes the move. Jeff Goodman,
we appreciate the time, of course, follow him on Twitter
at Goodman Hoops, check out the podcast and ritam at Stadium,
my basketball analyst, appreciate it. Jeff, good to talk to you.
Be sure to catch live edition so the Doug Dot
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Leap Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. The
NBA Draft is definitely changed. I remember, I vividly remember
the night that Chris Hardaway and Anthony Chris Webber and
Anthony Hardaway were traded for each other when Orlando had
won the lottery for the second straight year, they had
the number one overall pick. Magic take Chris Webber, Golden
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State ends up taking Penny Hardaway, and then you have
that swap, like the those are the those are the
things that that I remember, and Dante, I also remember
the times when maybe at the sixth overall pick, you
still could get a guy that maybe could be the
face of your franchise, maybe a guy that could be
the Robin to the Batman that's already there as you're
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trying to build something. And I don't see that, not
only in the twenty nine team draft, but really in
any recent draft. Once you get out of the top
two or three, there is no well, this guy is
really a a a great fit. This is gonna be
the guy. It's all about possibility and potential, And I
don't think it was like that twenty years ago, twenty
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five years ago. The the this of what we've got
in the NBA is just all about potential. Maybe it's
how the game changed, but we don't see the franchise
cornerstones being drafted. You're just keeping your fingers crossed hoping
you're drafting those cornerstones for the franchise. I kind of disagree, okay,
because let's hear it. When when the Spurs drafts Quai,
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they knew something we didn't know. I was on the
Pacers at that point in time, traded George Hill for him,
like they wanted that pick, They wanted that guy. They
knew about it. Uh, when the Pacers rafted Paul George,
he wasn't a top two pick, but they knew he
was going to be the cornerstone for there. You really
thought that they were like this is going to like
Paul George is going to be the the All Star player.
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Really you think at that At that mom Larry Bird
told me that, like, listen, we got a kid that
is going to be an All Star. Um, we need
we need some help and and in developing him. But
he's going to be an All star in our league. Um,
and you might have to lose some minutes to him
because we have to get him going and and and
start his trajectory early. So like they knew these things.
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They're they're Jimmy Butler was a top twenty pick, like
they're guys who are there are guys who have been
All Stars and have been like foundational pieces that have
not been and that they have not been in top
five picks. I I am, and even the top five
picks sometimes most of the time they don't even really
work out. I with with the way that the NBA
draft is, it's now it's about trying to draft the
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guy to hit that home run. Well, I think like
you would, you would try to get guys that we
knew more about the college players years ago. I mean,
we knew Chris Webber spent two years in college. You
knew what he was gonna do. You knew what Penny
harder Away he was gonna do. Heck, I kind of
know what Calbert Cheney was going to do, like back
in those days. Here, all of a sudden last year,
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if you're drafting tenure hoping Zack Collins in the draft
works out for Portland's like like it's hopefully he'll end
up being a guy that that we can use. But
I don't think they're saying that, like all right, we've
got we got Zack Collins. He's going to be our guy.
And I just don't think that in the draft, like yeah,
there maybe a Paul George Janness was taking Steph Curry
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like they were they were looking at these guys like
you know, Bradley Bill wasn't a hot to pick, so
you said out of one and two, like you know,
they look at corner stones, none you can find these people.
It's all about you doing your homework and you and
you know what you're drafting and not jumping on waves
and like, oh this guy is great because even um
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who was the Calves pick Anthony Bennett, Yeah, I was
a man at home screaming like no way, Like what
what do you guys doing? They thought they had a day,
they had their cornerstone and dominant and rough they messed
that totally up. And and just because you draft somebody
number one, does not you put too much pressure on them,
Like even let's look, let's look at Zion RJ. Barrett
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was supposed to be the number one pick this draft,
so you could possibly get the best prayer in the
draft at number three, who would be the best, who
people have thought to be the best. It's a possibility.
Zion has talent you can't pass up on, and it's
an opportunity that you really can't miss. But there's still
room for guys to get it. You look like a
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guy like Cam Reddish, who the people in his class
say he was the toughest guy for them. The guard
that's his peers. You gotta look at where his peers
rank him rather than where all the guys who speak
on potential, because those guys can get out of control sometimes.
But I also think that the difference is their front
offices that know what they're doing. There's something that there's
a there's a very few front officers know what they're
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doing and they're and they they live off of those
those front officers that don't know what they're doing. Uh,
spurs know what they're doing. They always seem to find
the right pick at the right spot. Um, you guys,
you got you got you gotta. David Griffin, he he
knows he knows what he's doing over there. You have
Messiah Jerry like he Pascal Siakam. He could end up
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being the best player on that Toronto Raptors team. And
and Um Massiah was deliberate about getting that kid who
he saw something in and saw his growth and saw
that he don't be playing basketball. Did his homework for
playing basketball for five years, did his homework on the kid,
knew his work ethic, like you gotta really do your
homework and not ride waves or or not depend on
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people who are really not during their jobs. If I
were to ask you, by the way, he's Dot the Jones,
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlib Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Out of the last six NBA drafts,
of the top ten picks of the sixty players. I
know I'm not trying to set you up, but I
just I think that these numbers are interesting. How many
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All Stars do you think came from those sixty picks
over the last six years for the top ten picks.
And it's not it's not a matter of if it's
right or wrong, it's just how many All Stars are
the last six years? Sixty people I think first time
or multiple just just could be a multiple All Star
but have been named to an All Star team at
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least one All Star team. Let's say, okay, there are six, Okay, okay,
so there's there's another guy overlooked that that will be
an All Star coming up. Devin Booker. M hm, he's
on track to be the best shooting guard in the game.
Very good. Yes, absolutely, no, no, no, he could be
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a great I'm a Devin Booker fan. It's not, but
it's what I what I what I need you to understand.
It's not. It's also fit. It's the organization putting the
right piece around him for them to be successful. So
it's not necessarily the pick. It's the organization's job to
make that pick be what it's supposed to be. There's
also a luck jam of really darn good veterans that's
tough to break through. Like in the Western Conference when
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it was you still have that of breaking it up.
But when you're trying to break through, when you have
hardened staff Westbrook, Damian Lillard like, to get a to
get a spot on a Western Conference All Star team
is difficult if you're a backcourt player. The point is, though,
with this is there were six All Stars, only two
of those players in that sixty have received any All
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NBA notoriety. So the point is more of it takes
a long time, Like it takes like we're like looking
for these guys, and I felt like twenty and twenty
five years ago, these guys were immediately brought in the
you know, Penny Hardaway is playing in the finals with
Shack and you know in two or three years, and
I know it's a rare circumstance, but these guys were
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were it seemed to be exploding on the scene a
lot quicker. We don't have any All Star appearances from
the last two NBA drafts. You only have Ben Simmons
from draft and the only guys that have been drafted
in the top ten. And that's what I'm talking about,
because there are gms that will find guys that work.
J honest was the fifteenth overall pick in Joel Empide
and Victor Oladipo are the only two top ten picks
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of the last six drafts to receive All NBA recognition.
It just it takes a while, it really does. That's
the thing that that I say about this of of
finding out who's gonna make it, who's who's going to
be surrounded by a good team. There's so much chance.
And I'm using the air quotes on this, but it
takes a while for these guys to develop. And that's
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also what's different from twenty years. It's now hard to
make it on All in b A on our Star
team without winning and top ten picks picks usually not
putting winning situations. So now the voters are are counting
winning and not just taking stats in consideration. I think
that was a thing of that time as well, of
that era. If you were putting up great numbers and
you're exciting to watch, you have an opportunity to to
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to probably make an All Star team or make an
All NBA team just because of what you were doing.
There's more, there's more attention paid to if they're in
a winning situation. Look at Atlanta Hawks. They got four
All Stars one year and Kyle Corford was one of them.
And not saying he wasn't he's not. He's a he
was a bad player, but he's just he's not. He's
not your type of talent. Draymond Green is made an
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All Star appearance because of winning. People are are attaching
winning to these accolades now, which which, which which which?
Kind of pushing that envelope because the top ten picks
are usually not in winning situations. Teams are tanking usually
and those top ten teams are usually trying to get
multiple picks. Like it's a it's a tough situation for
a kid to be able to fight through that because
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he may not be put in a right situation because
the team has taken three years to build through the draft,
like that is a process that goes building through the
draft right now, and it doesn't come with winning, So
then that puts him in a bad situation to get
those accolades. In sixteen, Ben Simmons man an All Star
game from the draft. It was Christops Porzingis, Karl Anthony
towns In, D'Angelo Russell have ben All Stars. I mentioned
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Joel Embiid. He's the only guy in the top ten
fromen to make an All Star team. Victor Oladipo the
only one from draft that you kind of referenced with.
Bradley Beale had a d Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond
all being gamed to All Star teams in a D.
Dame and Drummond received All NBA Notoriety. Fox Sports Radio
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we like to call Keeping Up with the Jones is here.
(35:05):
It is again. I miss you, John, Ready to go?
This is I was a fun game. So we have
we have we have some some notes about Dante's life.
We also have some notes about Tommy Lee Jones's life
and Julio Jones's life. So Jones gotta determine whether these
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scenarios have occurred to Dante Jones, Falcons Wide Receiver, Julio Jones,
or Oscar Award winning actors. And how I should say it,
Johnnyvie guys, Tommy Lee Jones, All right, John? In our
first scenario and keeping up with the Jones is which
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Jones has a son that had aspirations to be an
F one or Indy car driver? Was it Tommy Lee Jones,
Julio Jones or Dante Jones. That's a good yes, Yes,
I'm gonna say that would be uh, Tommy Lee Jones.
No that Unfortunately, you don't listen to my show right
(36:14):
out fairness, Dante. If John hates Steve harton my son,
I took him to the fire and he fell in
love with it. But now he's like five ten now,
so I think those aspirations are going out the window.
But he was enamored by the speed and everything, and
he was like he tried to change his career path
at that point. The back seats to fit a five
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ten teenager. Keeping up with the Joneses, John is over one, okay?
Which Jones speaks fluent Spanish? Julio Jones? You would think
right by got him? Tommy leads tom Jones. By the
way John put the Jones so far with the number
(37:01):
that he's gone. Oh, which Jones was once hurt falling
off of a horse? Was it Tommy Lee Jones, Julio
Jones or Dante. So we've done Dante, We've done Tommy Lee,
so I'm guessing it's Julio this time. It was Tommy Lee. Question.
He is a he is a polo aficionado and fell
(37:25):
off a horse once and was uh the cause of
the accident horseplay. Okay, okay. Whose first name is actually
a nickname? Is it Dante Jones, Tommy Lee Jones or
Julio Jones. First name is actually a nickname? The name
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to myself, like for me a nickname, Julio, Hey, Julio.
I would say Dante. It is my first try. How
you serious? Dante? Spell it can't be real. First name
is David, We'll call Dante for yeah. Yeah, Julio Jones.
(38:13):
Real name is Quintaurus Lopez Jones. I keep that first. Yeah.
They nicknamed his mom nicknamed him Julio in seventh grade?
Oh what else did again? Quintaurus Quintaurus Lope Lopez Jones.
I feel better about mine now? What Jones is a
novice bowler, I'd say, Dante. Strike? Yes, you got that
(38:44):
strike one like you hit a strike as a bowler. Yes,
very nice. Finally, yes, my grandfather spent a lot of
time bowling, even like my oldest son is a really really,
really really good bowler. But we spent a lot of
time on the lane's when when we're not playing basketball?
All right, Johnny, got you more? You're ready? I am ready? Yes?
What Jones has recently been spotted wearing a Fannie pack.
(39:07):
I know Coatina and Mobili were a Fannie pack this
week during the show during Yes, Yes, who was keeping
on it? I'm gonna say, Julio Dante Jones, Yes, yes, yeah,
I had it coming in right now, had coming in.
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I put mine down when I came in right Why
I keep it the whole show? Walking on John is
the Miami Marlins of this game. The winning percentages is strong. Alright,
Final one? You're ready? Yes, once lost a one hundred
thousand dollar diamond while jet skiing. Dad, I'm gonna give
(39:49):
you these are the hardest questions. They're really hard. I'm
gonna say, Julio, that is correct, That is correct. Was
wearing diamond earrings. Was looking at you like, how did
you know my wife lost a weather ring in the
ocean one time? Almost like the same situation, really almost
(40:09):
killed her. Jeez, did you see it? Like floating down?
And um, I was was that? I was Andre Gadario's
wedding and me, Draymond and Jermaine O'Neil took our wives
and we went on a little um like a little
little boat and we're hanging out and and we all
jumped into the water, and then my wife was swimming
look at me in my eyes and she said, she said,
(40:31):
oh we're talking about she's look she's patting and looking
at him. Oh, my ring just fell off. I said,
what do you mean? And I dove down. But it
was over at that point time. That's why I tell
my wife I never wear my ring. No, I'm I'm
just getting lass. It's on here by. I'll give you
an easy one. John who played in an historic college
football game where his team rallied from a late sixteen
(40:52):
point deficit to their rival. Historic college football game. Yeah,
Lee Jones, Jo Tommy Lee Jones, Yeah, I tricked, Yeah, yeah,
yeah from Harvard. Yeah. I played at the Harvard Yale game.
Harvard batl Alright, he's not Yeah he did. Hey, you
(41:15):
got to you know, the two out of nine is
not bad when you're coming off the bench to pinch hit.
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