July 23, 2019 • 42 mins
Doug tells you why the NBA has a problem with the way free agency operates and how Magic Johnson ruined a great opportunity for the Lakers. He also talks to Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network about star players holding out for new contracts and previewing the 2019 season. Plus, Oklahoma State head coach Mike Gundy joins the show to share his expectations for next season and how the NFL is becoming more like college football.
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League to the NFL Network. Will join us um upcoming
in about fifteen minutes. We'll we'll dive on in on
so many things we wonder getting ready for NFL training camps,
which are already underway in so many places. I read
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this article The Athletic and I thought it was interesting.
Within days free agency, the league uh opened an investigation.
By the way, that's from s R from ESPN dot com.
The league opened an investigation centered on the timing of
the earliest reported free agency deals on June. Sources familiar
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with the matter told ESPN dot com the scope of
that investigation is developing and is expected to include interviews
with players and possibly agents and team owners and sources. So, look,
what what the NBA is doing is a lot like
what happens in college athletics, where yes, there's National Signing
Day and maybe there's a moratorium on actually speaking to
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the players, but look, you're allowed to have conversations with
agents about other stuff, and if you happen to mention,
what might happen to happen. This is a really bizarre
free agency period, which is we think concluded. I mean,
obviously it could change if Chris Paul has traded over,
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some other deals are made. But to no one's surprise,
both the ESPN and the Athletic have both done articles
talking about the free agency period which is now complete
and doing an investigation. And hey, shocker, some people are
kind of piste off. Right. Do you have teams that
like Oklahoma City who signed guys to long term deals,
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only to have that same guy the next year walk
in and say he wants to be traded. You have
other small markets feeling like no matter what we do,
we can't hold onto players. Um, we have guys like
Magic Johnson conducting meetings even though he supposedly doesn't work
for the organization, only to leak said meetings and to
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ultimately backfire because go I lards. People said, don't say
nothing to nobody about nothing, and of course he said
something about to everybody about something. He insummation, magic is
well magic. He did his kind of Magic Johnson sort
of thing, and you know we're left with with Kawuhi
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Leonard as a member of the Clippers. The Clippers did
their due diligence trying to find another star, feeling like
I feel like the more things get out, the more
you realize the Lakers really did have a shot. Now
they had to have all their ducks in a row,
and they had to have a really good plan. They
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had to make really good sense and appeared to be professional.
But think of what the Clippers did. The Clippers were
looking for another superstar to try and pair with him.
The Rockets said no one James Harden the Wizard said
no one brad Veal at the very last moment when
it appeared like Wai had to go, well, I don't
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really want to go back to Toronto. I guess I'll
do the Laker thing. Lakers do have an extremely uh
strong brand. Magic Johnson, the guy who called out the
organization for being dysfunctional and called out others for not
being trustworthy, showed why they were dysfunctional under his writ
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under his lead, because he didn't have his ducks in
a row, and showing he wasn't trustworthy because just the
simplest thing, don't say anything. Magic can't help himself, can't
help himself. He wanted to save face. He wanted to
be the guy who fixed the Lakers, and instead he's
the guy who helped the Clippers. I oh, yeah, YOI
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I'm not sure what can truly be done. There's talk
about changing the free agency day to make it before
the draft, much like the NFL. The problem with that
is it pushes back the draft, it changes summer league,
although right now the rookies who are drafted, many of
them aren't playing in summer league anyway, so I don't
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know if that timeline actually works. I do know that
when there's this much discussion over who's talking to who
and when they can talk to him, over small markets
losing players and big markets gaining them, over the old
inmates running the asylum, there's this much kind of unrest
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that they'll probably be some new rules which may at
first make it worse, but before makes it better. But
it does prove that everything we've told you, everything has
been as accurate as anything you will hear. Otherwise. I'm
not a sick of fantom Magic Johnson. I'd love watching
him play. I think he's looked completely in over his
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head and overwhelmed and almost clownish in these last six
months of the Lakers. I did think the Lakers had
a tremendous shot to get Kawhi Leonard because of the
Lakers and because it's Lebron and they got Anthony Davis
and three stars will in fact work. And I think
the clip with the Clippers were able to do was
show a level of professionalism and an ability to go
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and over spend, like the trade in comparison for Anthony
Davis to Paul George, like Oklahoma City got a rediculous
King's Ransom and they have Paul George under contract for
three years. So I think Oklahoma City looks great, but
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they also looked like a little bit of the victim here.
And I think the Clippers look outstanding, and I think
the Lakers actually look fine. I think Magic looks like
a fool. And I would guess that one of the
things that we have discussed which has come to fruition
is you have Adam Silver, who so much, so badly
wants to be the player's commissioner that the pendulum has
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swung too much in that favor. And now we're having
a U Basketball where team guys are switching jerseys at
halftime and and loading up on these super teams to
try and form imagined and created dynasties. It's not great.
The juctaposition of the health of the sport in terms
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of the volume of talented players and the health of
the sport in terms of the buy in from the
mainstream fans. Mainstream fans are, in fact loyal people. Americans
are generally loyal. We don't like all of this movement.
We like to know who's where and what's what. And
while it's fun to do the video game thing, to
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create a team to trade a player when you need
a name tag on who's where? I don't know m
come again. That might be fun and invective, but we
we we like we like change, we don't like transition,
and it will be a transitional year. Think about what
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happens in the Midwest when they change a uniform on
a college football jersey. One year is about a decade ago.
To Nebraska put a white stripe, thick white stripe down
there the side of their pants, and the fans lost
their minds. That's not Nebraska football. The reason that the
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Lakers and the Celtics and the Bulls for the most part,
still have the same uniforms as their championships of the
past is the same reason that fans expect same players
line up year after year and grow together. It doesn't
mean that we've forgotten that even championship rosters have turnover
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outside of the top three or four players. It just
means that in our own mind, the way it's supposed
to be is you're supposed to raise your team's level
on your own and I think the the the NBA
has kind of crossed over into this. They've they've created
a way for us to talk about them in the
off season, which is great for the league, but during
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the season it makes it much harder to watch because
you don't know who's playing for who. In addition to
which you don't know who's actually gonna play on a
given night because of load management, and then the volume
of games, you actually don't know who's gonna play hard.
But I read these articles and I think the Lakers
had a shot. I think the Clippers move mountains. I
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think the Thunder did as well as you can do.
And I think the the haves and the have nots
of the NBA are going to ultimately lead to some
sort of strife and some sort of new legislation which
will try and help those smaller market lesser market teams.
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Um you may hear him called Charger Games locally on
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Daniel Jeremiah. He joins US now as training camps underway
are about to get underway throughout the National Football League
and DJ. Let's start with the Chargers, a team who
last year tied for the best record in the a
f C, lost to the Patriots in the playoffs, and
a couple of weeks ago, Melvin Gordon's can't put out there, Hey,
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we know we're in the fifth year of our rookie contract,
but we want a new one and the offer that
was made isn't good enough. We're gonna sit or else.
How do you see a plan out? Well, I just
think the Charges are in a position of strength here.
You know, for for a couple of reasons. Number one,
you look at the contract, him having another year left
on the deal, plus the you know, at least the
threat of a franchise tag. You start there with advantage
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in the leverage department to the team. And then you
look at the depth of the roster um, them showing
the ability to win games without him last year with
a with a good group. And then you also look
at the recent trend and history of the the only
three running backs that are getting paid good money. I
mean there's only three running backs making over ten million
a year right now, and all three of those teams
if you gave him truth serum and gave him a
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do over, I'm not so sure all three of them
would it take the opportunity to not do those deals.
So all the leverage, in my mind kind of points
towards the team. I do think there's the middle ground
there where they could both reach a compromise and get
this thing done. But you know, I don't know from
the outside looking in, it doesn't look very optimistic that
that's gonna end anytime soon. You know, it doesn't um
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My friends within the charges feel like they're kind of
at last and final and maybe over extending themselves even
to where they're comfortable, like they're in the ten million
dollar range. And if he thinks things as disrespectful, like
what's the point of continuing to to make offers? Yeah,
I mean I can. I can totally understand where they're
coming from there again, because there's just no they have
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no incentive to uh to do a deal, so they
have all the leverage and if they feel like you know,
you do the math and say, if the franchise number
is who knows, say it's eleven or twelve next year.
He's making five point six this year, so you can
do the math on what that number is. And and
I don't know what their offer is, but let's assume
it's in the you know, if it's ten million a
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year or eleven million a year, he's still going to
make more money in this new deal over two years, which, um,
they could put that on the table and say, hey,
we're doing you, uh, we're doing you a solid here, Um,
Doug otlip show here on Fox Sports Radio, what about
the Cowboys? I feel like Zeke. I feel like Zeke
kind of uh, it's almost like a soft line. Just
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kind of put that out there to see what people
have said. And most people have said, hey, dude, we
know you're great, but one running back to you just
got out of the Commissioner's office, like what are you doing? Three?
We gotta worry about Amari Cooper and Dak Prescott before
you hid it in the Cowboys situation plays out well,
They're thing is interesting with him because I do think
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from a leverage standpoint, even though he's got plenty of
time left and he's had some some some stuff off
the field, I think he's more integral part of their
operation there than any of the other running backs in
the league right now, and he's had more of an impact.
Just with him out there, you'll see more safeties dropped down.
You talked to teams around the league. That's where the
game planning starts. So he's got some value, He's got
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some leverage there. I just think from the Cowboys standpoint,
you look at both the situation with Dak Prescott and
was Zeke Elliott, I don't see them going anywhere this year. Um,
if they're missing one of the two and people argue
till they're blew in the face about who's more important,
I think they need both of them. And when you
look at the window for them and them having opportunity
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to win right now, and the way zones is historically
done business, I would imagine that this is going to
be looked at his two favorable player deals that will
come down to keep those guys on the field all season. Yeah.
How good are they the team as a team? Yeah?
I mean, look, I think defensively, um, they've got a young,
fast defense. Um, I think you've got to get your
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pass rusher back fully healthy coming off off season surgery.
But to Marcus Lawrences is a top six or seven
pass rusher in the league. So I feel good about
where they are Defensively, They've got to get the offensive line,
uh to consistently perform up to their ability and stay
healthy if they keep that group up front healthy. Um,
I think they've got a championship caliber team with a
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quarterback in Dak Prescott, who I might have some limitations
here there, but he has a formula he can use
to win football games and he's won a bunch of them.
So um, I think they're a championship caliber team. I
really do. But that that means they have everybody in
on time and regis start the season about offensive line
stage healthy. Last year we were concerned about finding another
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wide receiver for or a couple of wide receivers for
Tom Brady. Now they had to change, you know, tight
ends as well. It's first time since two thousand and
ten he's entered camp without knowing he wasn't gonna have
Rob Gronkowski on his team. Well, your thoughts on the
defending champion, the Patriots and what they're gonna I know
they're gonna run the football more once you get late
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in the season. But do they have the weapon re needed.
I think they're gonna run it, and I think they're
gonna being conduct people to death, and they're gonna shorten
games and they're going to force you to kick field
goals and get us and a score touchdown. It's like
the formula is still going to be the same. Um.
You know, Gronk is gonna be a hole for them.
But when you look at the depth they have at
the running back position, UM, I think you're gonna see
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more two back stuff from them than than just about
any other team in the league this year. And I
think they'll find ways to just get those guys, pitch
up the ball, get them out in space, and let
him go. UM. So, you know, there's there's a lot
of teams you come into the season and they're missing
this guy or this guy needs to stay healthy, and
you have your worries and your concerns. Doug, I don't
know if it's right or wrong. It's got to the
point where the Patriots where you just they've earned the
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benefit of the doubt of I don't care what they're missing. Uh,
they'll have a plan in place and they'll be ready
to roll. Who's the team? Who? Uh? And again it's
on paper, it's surely, but people are in the league
are talking about that that that we have. We haven't
caught up to yet, you know, Like, um, I mean
the Chargers were won last year obviously obviously the Chiefs,
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But I don't think the Chiefs were. It was a
surprise they were because they were good with Alex Smith
and then a better dynamic with Pad Mahomes. But there's
always a team that sneaks up on us. Who do
you think the team is this year? Well, I've been
here in the same two teams mentioned over and over
again when you talk to people around the league, and
I know the first one people say, oh, you guys
say this every year, it never happened. But San Francisco
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was a team that a lot of people feel, um
is going to be a playoff team and they just
need to keep the quarterback healthy. If they can keep
them healthy, with what they've added on the defensive line, um,
they're gonna be a much improved football team. And and
really play calling wise, Kyle Shanahan has as much respect
as any play caller around the league. So um, they're
a team I think that's uh, that's got a chance
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to have a really good year. And then the other
one is Minnesota and the reason being is is Gary
Kubiak plugging in there, maybe it's gonna really help Kirk
Cousins and they go out and get you know, Garrett
Bradberry in the offensive line. They've made some improvements there,
so they should be better up front. They're gonna have
somebody that really knows how to design a system around
the quarterback um and defensively, their talents as good as anybody.
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So who who are the teams that aren't as good?
As a reputation that precedes them would tell you, Well,
I think there's just the Browns are the hot topic.
You know, UM, people want to see is this you know,
is this all gonna work? There's a lot of talent um,
but what what's it gonna look like kind of forming
together and what's it like as a team. So that's
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the one I think everybody around the league is paying
attention to and curious about. Um. But you know, look,
there's there's a lot of people in the media stay
and they're the favorites to win that division. But you
don't get that same answer when you talk to people
around the league. They just I think maybe they're just
kind of holding onto the old Browns thing. And you've
got the Steelers and the Ravens with such a strong
track record, but definitely a prove it a year for
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them around the league. Most interesting team the Packers, Right,
you make kind of an interesting higher. It might not
be the best fit for Aaron Rodgers, but he did
need something different the defense in year two of a
newly in solid system with some really talented youth, feels
like the Packers are an interesting team, no doubt. I
think I would. I would put the Packers in there. Um,
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you know, coming off of a disappointing year, and I
don't even put the Falcons in there. Um is a
team that's that's really invested a lot in the offense. Um.
You look at what they did coaching wise, I don't
feel like they've got a shot there. Um. You look
at what they've done on the offensive line wise to
add some investments there. Uh. They know defensively when you
talk to him, getting Dion Jones back healthy, Johnald Neil
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back healthy, um, and I feel like Dirk Cutter is
going to be able to get a good year out
of Matt Ryan. So that's a team with a lot
of ability, but that division is just brutal. What do
you think of the marriage between Jamis Winston and Bruce Arians, Like,
I saw some signs from Jamis Winston. Some people just
sold their stock to like not gonna happen, but he
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did some. There were some times when once he regained
the starting spot. Granted it was late in the year,
but I thought there was some signs. And then you
add Bruce Arians, who he has had the mightus touch
with quarterbacks canny. Can he save Jamis from from from
going down the path of ultimately being a backup? They
look like last year, I think it's I think it'll
be a good marriage. I think offensively they were pretty
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dynamic and explosive last year. They just gotta limit the
negative plays and that's been you know, really Jamis going
back to his college careers, it's the same thing. So
the ability is there or I think play calling wise,
scheme wise, this is going to match him up um,
but they've just got to find a way to rein
him in a little bit to uh to avoid some
of those turnovers. My thing with them is defensively, there's
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still just a lot of questions of whether or not
that team can get where they want to go. That's
where my concerner would be out, Look, they're gonna score
a bunch of points, and I expect James to play
well in this system. We had Mike Leach on yesterday
and he was saying, I said, you know, how important
is it for you to have Kingsbury work in the
air aid system work in the NFL? Considering it's like
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the first real shot. He's like, look, you look at
the Pittsburgh Steelers. They run a raid concepts. A lot
of teams run an air raid concepts. Like that's great,
but that doesn't did a success or lack there of
of this offense. Doesn't that signify whether or not the
air aid will work in the pros? Is that is
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that too big a statement for how important Cliff Kingsbury's
offense is in terms of how that offensive view. Oh,
I think it's. I think it is. I think a
lot of people looking at this as litmus test to see, um,
if this can work. Now, the same conversation was had
about Chip when uh when ship went to the Eagles
and then ended up changing some things there and adapted
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what he had traditionally done and kind of evolved a
little bit to the NFL game. Um, you know, especially
from when he started to win he finished up with
the forty niners. So, um, I'm curious to see if
Cliff just sticks to what he's done, or if he's
if he's added some more NFL concepts and wrinkles two things. So,
if it is what he's always done and it works,
get ready because there's gonna be a massive influx of
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college coaching them making its way to the NFL. Do
you think that it works? You know what? Yeah, I
don't want to. I don't want to the answer here
and not give you one, Doug, but it is really
it really is a tv D. I think they've got
a chance, um to consistently move the ball up and
down the field and rack up a bunch of yards.
My question is gonna be when this offense gets down
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inside the red zone, which is where you win football
games in the NFL. Um, can they find a way
to punch it in? And that, to me is my concern.
And uh that's why I would say, you know, how's
it gonna work? Yards? You want to look at yards?
I think they'll be really impressive. Points is going to
be my question mark whether or not they can punch
it in. Yeah, if you look at um, you look
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at the Odell Beckham Jr. Interview. Okay, my takeaway from
it and you tell me Danna Jeremiah are guest. Of course,
you can see in the NFL Network download Has Moved
the Sticks podcast? Uh, he joins us here in the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know, he
had talked about retiring at twenty four when things were
going poorly. He felt disrespected by the Giants. He was
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asked why he wasn't it o t a s with
the Cleveland Browns because it wasn't mandatory. Like, I get
that he works out hard, and I'll be him by
that he practices hard when he practices, but they're just
they're just something to me, there's just something missing there
that he does still doesn't get that there's no level
of accountability for what he can do and what he
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can contribute to winning. That he's one of those I
say that I want to win, but I don't know
actually how to win. Is that too crazy to take
from an interview? No? I look, I think you can
take that away. I just think sometimes in these interviews
some of these guys and and this is the exact
situation here. That's such a long interview and you get
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kind of, uh, a little long winded there, and then
I don't know what you take from it. I just
I really don't. I'm just anxious and I'm I'm heard
enough from Odell. So I just want to see him
get out there and play, um and see if we
see the player that we saw early on in his career,
if he can get back to that and be consistent. Um.
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So that to me, I mean everybody in parts, all
of his words. I think it was a very long
interview somewhere with a million different takeaways. Um, I'm just
kind of over hearing about it. I'm over hearing about
the giants, I'm over hearing about him. I just want
to see him get on the field and see if
he can live up to the hype and and be
the guy we saw early in his career we haven't
seen recently. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a great point,
Um rosen or Fitzpatrick in Miami. Oh gosh, this is
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a classic short term long term to me, I think
that decisions should be Rosen, even if Fitzpatrick is better
early on. I want to get a long, extended evaluation
of Josh Rosen. And the argument against that as well,
you might lose some of the veterans on the team
because Fitzpatrick might be better equipped to play right now
and you're trying to win games. And I'm sitting here saying, look,
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that's a I don't know. I wouldn't stop me. Look,
we have to evaluate this kid. We're not going anywhere
this year. It's realistic. Uh, let's be uh, let's be honest,
and we have to find out what we have in
Josh Rosen because we all know Bryan Fitzpatrick's not going
to be the guy next year. We have to figure
this kid out or whether or not we need to
go in the quarterback market next year's draft. So to me,
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I think from an organizational standpoint, I think you huddle
together and say, I don't care what we gotta do. Uh,
if you've got to manufacture this thing for him to
in it, um, but we've got to see Josh Rosen.
I tend to agree with you. I maybe the least
discussed potential star player in the dress in the league
is Christian McCaffrey. Like they figured out how to use him.
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He figured out how to stay on the field for
every down. I don't know what Cam's gonna look like
because he couldn't throw a football last year. Um, but
he's McCaffrey's added added weight and looks like an NFL player,
And he obviously he has breathtaking speed and versatility, the
likes of which you don't see often. Am I too
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bullish on Christian McCaffrey. No, not at all. And you
look at you know what he's run behind, not one
of the better groups in the league. So um, it's
not like he's benefited from a consistent passing attack or
a or a consistent offensive line. And he's proven already.
Look if you if sometimes you play these games in
the in the scouting room during training camp here in
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the evenings, you're gonna get bored. And if you told
me right now, third and three, third and four, Um,
you can have any back on the field in the league.
Who do you want? I don't I'm not sure. I
would just say Christian McCaffrey, for what do you could
do running the ball? As well as what he's proven
he can do catching the ball. So um. He is
an explosive, dynamic player, uh, who kind of gets lost
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because of where he plays. Daniel, great stuff. Man, can't
wait to talk with you after you've seen some preseason games.
We've seen some of these young quarterbacks and how they
developed in the meantime. Appreciate being our guest on Fox
Sports Radio. I appreciate. All Right. That's Daniel Jeremiah joining
us on The Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure to catch
live edition so the Doug dot Leaps Show weekdays at
noon Eastern three pm Pacific. He's the head coach of
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his album Moto, which happens to be my album monitors
My Gundy, and he joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike,
how are you? I'm great, Doug. I I was. I
was finishing up doing something. I was bailing some hey,
and I realized I was seven minutes late, So I
apologize for being late, but I did get to catch
up on the National News their list, and so it
wasn't that bad. Wait wait, wait see are you seriously bailly? Hey?
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Are you just saying that the pull are like no, no,
huh no, we're we're we just finished. Uh we cut
the other day and tethered and then you know, you
let it set for eight for eighteen to thirty six hours,
depending on the wind and the temperature. And uh, we
we ran, but we round bell it today and so
we just finished up, um and we should get one
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more cut probably in October. How how much are you
out there? Well, when I'm on vacation, on there every day,
like when I take time off. Um, and you know this, well,
you're you're, you're. It's the same for you, Like if
you're anywhere near the office or work, you're not really
on vacation. You're working. I mean that's just the way
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it is, right. Um. So I go on my tractor
and I worked the fields and then I don't take
my phone out there, and so they, Um, Danielle whom
my assistant that works with me, she knows that I'm
on to try and he tells him he's on a tractor.
So if they need me, they're gonna have to drive
out to the ranch and drive out there on the
property to get me if it's really really important. So
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that that's that's how I kind of get away. And
plus I enjoyed doing that. Uh, you know, I've got
a hundred acres here that we farm with high protein
weed free um bermuda. Hey that that these horse farmers by.
I'm on the other end of it with I got
girls at ride horses, so I know how expensive that
high end weed free stuff is. So you have you
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have no cell phone? Do you have music playing? No?
You know, one thing my dad taught me is is
any time you're operating heavy equipment, tractors and machinery. You know,
they have these new machines that all have radios and
music and it, but you can't hear the machine. You
don't know if something goes wrong, you know, and it's
not good to listen to music. So I was trained
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at the young age to never listen to music when
I'll operate machinery. And so that's always stuck in my head.
And so no, I don't listen to a thing. I
kind of watch what's going on and listen to this,
listen to the tractor and the equipment. And this is
your like kind of therapy. Is it cathartic to you?
It is it? Really? I don't play golf. I mean
I coach and then I follow my kids around doing
(29:13):
what their stuff, you know, baseball or football or whatever,
just like you follow your kids. I don't play golf.
I don't do any of that stuff. So that's my getaway.
The only other thing I'll do is every once in
a while go to the lake, um and just kind
of hang out there. But I can't do it very much.
I got to get back and go to work, and
it kind of drives me crazy after a while. Okay,
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So like what if something, if something goes wrong, does
your assistant come out and flag you down? Is that
they don't you know? Or have you? Have you reached
the stage? Where? Who was it? Uh? Coach Bowden at
Florida State? Right, he had his nap every day and
he could wake up up from his nap, like, what
is what is the policy? How big an emergency does
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it have to be to get you off the tractor? Well,
I haven't got to the nap yet. Hopefully I coach
as long as he did. He coached till he was
about nineties for that, you know, and so he he
deserved then. But um, Danielle knows that kind of what.
She's been with me now for ten years, so she
knows what's serious and what's not serious. But I'm sure
you followed. I just I just gave Casey done this
(30:17):
new high dollar, long term assistant head coach, director, head coach,
high dollar title. And so if if it's not really
really really really bad and he gets to handle it,
it's so different from you because because when you first
got the job as head coach, people remember you were
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calling plays, and you were so invested in calling plays.
There are times you couldn't pay attention to the defense
of the special teams because you're over there working on
the offense. Like has it do Do you miss the
days of being more involved in every little detail of
the offense. Yes, But in my opinion, at Oklahoma State,
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I'm not saying it Alabama or at Michigan or you know,
I don't know about any other school. I just know
at Oklahoma State, I don't think that the head coach
can operate all the different areas. It's it's become too complex,
in my opinion, recruiting all the media, all the side shows,
dealing with the players, the offense and defensive game has
(31:20):
gotten much more complicated than it ever has been. It's
just too much. Um. And you know the truth is this, um.
You know, I'm I'm fifty two or getting ready to
be fifty two or whatever, and I feel great and
I'm energetic and being fortunate with my health and everything.
But I don't have the same energy level from six
in the morning until leven and ninth that I did
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when I was thirty five. Yeah, you just don't. And
so what happens is is when I would go in
in the mornings at six thirty and start watching tape
to get ready for a game, and and then I
would stay in there until noon and then come out
and try to get ready for practice and do everything else.
That's what you have to do to get ready to
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call a game, in my opinion. But but now I
just I couldn't do it, you know, I haven't done
it in years. And it's better anyway. It's better to
not micromanage, in my opinion, and it's better for other
guys on the staff to play their role. Everybody has
their responsibility, UM. And so it's been good for me.
I think it's made me a better coach, and I
think it's made I know it's made our program better
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because I kind of have a better field for everything
going on, not just the offense. UM. You played obviously
for Pat Jones, and people don't know Pat Jones, he's
still a personality and TV and radio um in the Southwest,
but he was and he was a great personality when
when you played for him, you guys won ten games.
But I was speaking actually at the o C at
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the Oaklahoma Coach Association earlier today in Tulsa, and I
was trying to explain that, I look, I played for
one of the greatest college coaches ever and he never
drew up a play in a whiteboard, like never. And
I have friends that played for Mike Sachowski, played for
lud Olsen, played for you name it, and they're like, yeah,
they didn't draw on the whiteboard. When did it? And
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I know it's gotten more complex since you started till now,
but compared to when you played until now, and the
level of complexity that you need to know as a
head coach, Uh, when did when did we get to
where everything became so complex in in in sports and
and that coaches had to have such an intricate knowledge
(33:29):
of each and every play technology there's so much more
information out there, all the all the when to go
for fourth downs, when not to um um certain defenses,
certain blitzes, certain stunts, certain coverages that you get on field.
Location has location down in distance, location, uh, second quarter,
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fourth quarter. Now we have much more information than we
ever had. We didn't need to have that information. So
what's happened is these quarterbacks, because of all the training
that's going on in the summer, seven on sevens and things,
they they come into college essentially um with probably of
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information that coaches have at our level. I mean when
I went to college, I knew just I mean I
knew just enough to get there. I didn't know and
I didn't know a whole lot to a few coverages
that was said. I didn't know line play, I didn't
know protections, I didn't know all that. Well, these kids
now are coming in they know it, and so all
of the different scenarios and the locations on the field
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of things that happened, it would virtue it would be
virtually impossible, in my opinion, for a guy to know
it like the back of his hand and also be
a head coach. So the technology has changed the game,
almost like Moneyball with the Oakland A's that movie you
know from Wild Black Well that's gotten into football in
the last three or four years and I was a
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little bit hesitant, but then after you study it, they're
pretty accurate. So so if they're accurate, you have to
stay on top of your game. You have to be
able to keep up with it, or it's a disadvantage
for your team because you're not giving your team the
best chance because you're calling plays and you don't really
know because you're spending time with the media or doing
other things you've got to deal with as a head coach.
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And so that's when it's changed four or five years
ago in my opinion. And then and then the other
thing that's changed is the ability to where the lineman
can go three yards down the field right like the
r p O s have. It makes it really really
difficult to defend forget you know, dual thread quarterbacks. But
but the ability to hand the football off, I mean
that that's changed as well as at i'd like the
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actual officiating has changed. How the how the game is,
how the game is played, and what plays you call, well,
there's no question. And you know what's funny is is
the NFL is is is watching college football. That's where
they're getting their plays. Okay, that's why, that's why they
hired Kingsbury and and so this has been going on
(35:57):
for four or five years. The pay Trips have done
it for for quite a while, and so more NFL
teams are buying into it. Um. I don't know anything
about the NFL. Never coached in it, didn't play in it.
I don't know anythink. I just know that their coaches
are somewhat hesitant at times to say we're getting plays
from college coaches. Watch. We had we had Leach on
yesterday and Lee said, I asked him about about Cliff
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and about how important cliffs success was for the air
aid offense, and he said, you know, if you watched Patriots,
they've been running air aid concepts for years, and the
Steelers do as well, he said, just nobody wants to
say it because there's some sort of taboo with it. Well,
the Patriots were ahead of the game, in my opinion.
The Chiefs have been doing it for three years. Um,
the Rams just started it a year or two. I
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can't keep up with how long the young guys been
there coaching McVeigh. Um. They're doing a little bit different,
but it's essentially the same concept. They're tempo and like
like they really put Dallas in a tough situation this
year because of the tempo. Wasn't the plays they were running,
it was the tempo of the offense that they were running.
The plays caused Dallas the problems. And the Eagles have
been doing it for several several years, UM the Falcons
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were doing it. UM. I can't keep track of it,
but they're running college offenses and that's why they're they're
they're starting to UM draft guys like Baker Mayfield and
Kyler Murray who years ago would have never had a
chance to play. But because of the style of plenty
basically meaning that when you're our po and you're not
blocking one guy, somebody's getting turned loose and the quarterback
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has to make a decision very similar to a point guard.
He's got to dish the ball and get rid of
it and get it to the right person before that
guy gets to him. And so that's why the game's
changed UM in the last three or four years, and
people are scoring you know, go look at look at
coaches that are in the NFL, and UM have have
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stayed with some of the old school, old style offensive schemes.
They can't score enough points. They're gonna change. How about
how may you even in college football? Jim Hardball had
the old style and he couldn't. He couldn't, couldn't keep
up and how good no matter how effective it used
to be, it's just not and he scrapped it. This
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year was was was at Stanford, was winning. You know,
I don't know what he was winning Stanford. He did good,
like winning eight games and nine. I don't know if
he ever won ten. I don't. I think they didn't
win a game before he got there. He won ten
is last year and they played you guys the year
after he left, right, right, So he's getting real good
with his style. And then you know, I was kind
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of following him this year and last year they started.
Now they've completely made the transition. So what's happened is
it's just like the shot clock in the NBA and
in college. So you can't play coach Sutton's gonna play
defense and not turn the ball over in basketball, and
he's gonna beat you because you're gonna make mistakes and
he's not going to make mistakes. You can't really do
that anymore because you can't score enough points right saying football,
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I mean you look at look at years that what
was it three, three or four years ago? You were
getting them, we need to put a clock on offenses
and they can't snap the ball over so many seconds.
You were getting that from the SEC powerhouses. Well now
the now, the now, the SEC powerhouses are doing the
same thing. Hey, last thing, we'll let you get back
(39:17):
to bail and hey, um, this year starts out on
the road at Oregon State. You know that another program
and you kind of got this. You've got you've got
Spencer Sanders, a kid who's got all the talent but
hasn't ever seen live bullets. Or you got Drew Brown,
who has you mentioned? Guys that come in and they
know a lot more, they've thrown a lot more football
(39:39):
as they have the talent. What's the what's the decision,
like first game of the season, experience versus maybe upside
and talent you gotta get. You gotta go with the
guy that gives your offense the best chance to score
points and do it the right way. Okay, and I
go back to what we talked about and saying, um,
you might have one that's more explosive, but but if
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he's turning the ball over and doesn't understand the offense,
and he can't distribute it to the Cuba Hubbard or
to the Wallace or get it to the right people,
then then he's going to cause you more problems than
a guy that can distribute the ball. And this is
the first time in my career as a head coach
and we've had a quarterback race that's dead, even starting
in August, and people have asked, um, you know, they said, well,
(40:25):
who's gonna play? I don't know right now. In spring ball,
nobody took it. Now somebody shows up in the next
two to three weeks and they take the job. Will
name a starter? Makes my job easier if we name
a starter. I think ultimately that's the best for the
team when they knew who the quarterback is. But you
can't name a starter if you don't know because you've
been in a lot of practice. The kids know, right,
they know what's going on in practice. So that's why
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I was joking with uh with Kaole, my brother when
I ran in him a few weeks ago, because there
had been a big conversation about it, and I said, well,
you're gonna tell me that nobody on your staff knew
that Kyler Murray was the best quarterback three days for
the first game last year. Yeah, that that doesn't I
mean everybody everybody knew, right, everybody's and so I was
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using that as an example. I said, So that's not
I mean, we're not operating that way. And I'm not
saying you were. I'm just guessing that most people probably knew.
Um but uh, but we're not in that situation. And
and you know, we gotta go play at Oregon State.
You know, they score points. People talk about their record,
but let me tell you what they do. They score points.
So that's very similar to when we see in this league.
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They score a lot of points. Probably haven't played as
well on defense as they would have wanted to, but
they did score a lot of points, and they do
it in a little bit of a conventional way. They're unbalanced,
they're doing wings or doing tied ends over So it'll
be a dog fight, you know how it is, Friday
night game, first game year on the road. Well, listen,
I will hopefully see up there. If not, get back
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on the tractor, clear your mind. Can't wait to see
in the sideline. That was great catching up all right, Well,
give me a call the week for the game or something. Okay,
all right, I'll just do I listened to you at
hearing all the time. All right, you're laying because you
said you don't listen to anything on the tractor. But
I appreciate no. No, I do it in the car.
I do it driving in a car. I'm messing with you. Thanks.
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in about fifteen minutes. We'll we'll dive on in on
so many things we wonder getting ready for NFL training camps,
which are already underway in so many places. I read
(01:05):
this article The Athletic and I thought it was interesting.
Within days free agency, the league uh opened an investigation.
By the way, that's from s R from ESPN dot com.
The league opened an investigation centered on the timing of
the earliest reported free agency deals on June. Sources familiar
(01:26):
with the matter told ESPN dot com the scope of
that investigation is developing and is expected to include interviews
with players and possibly agents and team owners and sources. So, look,
what what the NBA is doing is a lot like
what happens in college athletics, where yes, there's National Signing
Day and maybe there's a moratorium on actually speaking to
(01:48):
the players, but look, you're allowed to have conversations with
agents about other stuff, and if you happen to mention,
what might happen to happen. This is a really bizarre
free agency period, which is we think concluded. I mean,
obviously it could change if Chris Paul has traded over,
(02:09):
some other deals are made. But to no one's surprise,
both the ESPN and the Athletic have both done articles
talking about the free agency period which is now complete
and doing an investigation. And hey, shocker, some people are
kind of piste off. Right. Do you have teams that
like Oklahoma City who signed guys to long term deals,
(02:30):
only to have that same guy the next year walk
in and say he wants to be traded. You have
other small markets feeling like no matter what we do,
we can't hold onto players. Um, we have guys like
Magic Johnson conducting meetings even though he supposedly doesn't work
for the organization, only to leak said meetings and to
(02:53):
ultimately backfire because go I lards. People said, don't say
nothing to nobody about nothing, and of course he said
something about to everybody about something. He insummation, magic is
well magic. He did his kind of Magic Johnson sort
of thing, and you know we're left with with Kawuhi
(03:24):
Leonard as a member of the Clippers. The Clippers did
their due diligence trying to find another star, feeling like
I feel like the more things get out, the more
you realize the Lakers really did have a shot. Now
they had to have all their ducks in a row,
and they had to have a really good plan. They
(03:45):
had to make really good sense and appeared to be professional.
But think of what the Clippers did. The Clippers were
looking for another superstar to try and pair with him.
The Rockets said no one James Harden the Wizard said
no one brad Veal at the very last moment when
it appeared like Wai had to go, well, I don't
(04:06):
really want to go back to Toronto. I guess I'll
do the Laker thing. Lakers do have an extremely uh
strong brand. Magic Johnson, the guy who called out the
organization for being dysfunctional and called out others for not
being trustworthy, showed why they were dysfunctional under his writ
(04:28):
under his lead, because he didn't have his ducks in
a row, and showing he wasn't trustworthy because just the
simplest thing, don't say anything. Magic can't help himself, can't
help himself. He wanted to save face. He wanted to
be the guy who fixed the Lakers, and instead he's
the guy who helped the Clippers. I oh, yeah, YOI
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I'm not sure what can truly be done. There's talk
about changing the free agency day to make it before
the draft, much like the NFL. The problem with that
is it pushes back the draft, it changes summer league,
although right now the rookies who are drafted, many of
them aren't playing in summer league anyway, so I don't
(05:21):
know if that timeline actually works. I do know that
when there's this much discussion over who's talking to who
and when they can talk to him, over small markets
losing players and big markets gaining them, over the old
inmates running the asylum, there's this much kind of unrest
(05:41):
that they'll probably be some new rules which may at
first make it worse, but before makes it better. But
it does prove that everything we've told you, everything has
been as accurate as anything you will hear. Otherwise. I'm
not a sick of fantom Magic Johnson. I'd love watching
him play. I think he's looked completely in over his
(06:03):
head and overwhelmed and almost clownish in these last six
months of the Lakers. I did think the Lakers had
a tremendous shot to get Kawhi Leonard because of the
Lakers and because it's Lebron and they got Anthony Davis
and three stars will in fact work. And I think
the clip with the Clippers were able to do was
show a level of professionalism and an ability to go
(06:26):
and over spend, like the trade in comparison for Anthony
Davis to Paul George, like Oklahoma City got a rediculous
King's Ransom and they have Paul George under contract for
three years. So I think Oklahoma City looks great, but
(06:47):
they also looked like a little bit of the victim here.
And I think the Clippers look outstanding, and I think
the Lakers actually look fine. I think Magic looks like
a fool. And I would guess that one of the
things that we have discussed which has come to fruition
is you have Adam Silver, who so much, so badly
wants to be the player's commissioner that the pendulum has
(07:11):
swung too much in that favor. And now we're having
a U Basketball where team guys are switching jerseys at
halftime and and loading up on these super teams to
try and form imagined and created dynasties. It's not great.
The juctaposition of the health of the sport in terms
(07:32):
of the volume of talented players and the health of
the sport in terms of the buy in from the
mainstream fans. Mainstream fans are, in fact loyal people. Americans
are generally loyal. We don't like all of this movement.
We like to know who's where and what's what. And
while it's fun to do the video game thing, to
(07:54):
create a team to trade a player when you need
a name tag on who's where? I don't know m
come again. That might be fun and invective, but we
we we like we like change, we don't like transition,
and it will be a transitional year. Think about what
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happens in the Midwest when they change a uniform on
a college football jersey. One year is about a decade ago.
To Nebraska put a white stripe, thick white stripe down
there the side of their pants, and the fans lost
their minds. That's not Nebraska football. The reason that the
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Lakers and the Celtics and the Bulls for the most part,
still have the same uniforms as their championships of the
past is the same reason that fans expect same players
line up year after year and grow together. It doesn't
mean that we've forgotten that even championship rosters have turnover
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outside of the top three or four players. It just
means that in our own mind, the way it's supposed
to be is you're supposed to raise your team's level
on your own and I think the the the NBA
has kind of crossed over into this. They've they've created
a way for us to talk about them in the
off season, which is great for the league, but during
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the season it makes it much harder to watch because
you don't know who's playing for who. In addition to
which you don't know who's actually gonna play on a
given night because of load management, and then the volume
of games, you actually don't know who's gonna play hard.
But I read these articles and I think the Lakers
had a shot. I think the Clippers move mountains. I
(09:44):
think the Thunder did as well as you can do.
And I think the the haves and the have nots
of the NBA are going to ultimately lead to some
sort of strife and some sort of new legislation which
will try and help those smaller market lesser market teams.
(10:04):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Dot
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He joins us throughout the NFL season. It's great to
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see him in the NFL Draft coverage for the NFL Network.
Um you may hear him called Charger Games locally on
(10:26):
on the Chargers Radio network. He's the one and only
Daniel Jeremiah. He joins US now as training camps underway
are about to get underway throughout the National Football League
and DJ. Let's start with the Chargers, a team who
last year tied for the best record in the a
f C, lost to the Patriots in the playoffs, and
a couple of weeks ago, Melvin Gordon's can't put out there, Hey,
(10:49):
we know we're in the fifth year of our rookie contract,
but we want a new one and the offer that
was made isn't good enough. We're gonna sit or else.
How do you see a plan out? Well, I just
think the Charges are in a position of strength here.
You know, for for a couple of reasons. Number one,
you look at the contract, him having another year left
on the deal, plus the you know, at least the
threat of a franchise tag. You start there with advantage
(11:13):
in the leverage department to the team. And then you
look at the depth of the roster um, them showing
the ability to win games without him last year with
a with a good group. And then you also look
at the recent trend and history of the the only
three running backs that are getting paid good money. I
mean there's only three running backs making over ten million
a year right now, and all three of those teams
if you gave him truth serum and gave him a
(11:34):
do over, I'm not so sure all three of them
would it take the opportunity to not do those deals.
So all the leverage, in my mind kind of points
towards the team. I do think there's the middle ground
there where they could both reach a compromise and get
this thing done. But you know, I don't know from
the outside looking in, it doesn't look very optimistic that
that's gonna end anytime soon. You know, it doesn't um
(11:57):
My friends within the charges feel like they're kind of
at last and final and maybe over extending themselves even
to where they're comfortable, like they're in the ten million
dollar range. And if he thinks things as disrespectful, like
what's the point of continuing to to make offers? Yeah,
I mean I can. I can totally understand where they're
coming from there again, because there's just no they have
(12:19):
no incentive to uh to do a deal, so they
have all the leverage and if they feel like you know,
you do the math and say, if the franchise number
is who knows, say it's eleven or twelve next year.
He's making five point six this year, so you can
do the math on what that number is. And and
I don't know what their offer is, but let's assume
it's in the you know, if it's ten million a
(12:39):
year or eleven million a year, he's still going to
make more money in this new deal over two years, which, um,
they could put that on the table and say, hey,
we're doing you, uh, we're doing you a solid here, Um,
Doug otlip show here on Fox Sports Radio, what about
the Cowboys? I feel like Zeke. I feel like Zeke
kind of uh, it's almost like a soft line. Just
(13:01):
kind of put that out there to see what people
have said. And most people have said, hey, dude, we
know you're great, but one running back to you just
got out of the Commissioner's office, like what are you doing? Three?
We gotta worry about Amari Cooper and Dak Prescott before
you hid it in the Cowboys situation plays out well,
They're thing is interesting with him because I do think
(13:21):
from a leverage standpoint, even though he's got plenty of
time left and he's had some some some stuff off
the field, I think he's more integral part of their
operation there than any of the other running backs in
the league right now, and he's had more of an impact.
Just with him out there, you'll see more safeties dropped down.
You talked to teams around the league. That's where the
game planning starts. So he's got some value, He's got
(13:43):
some leverage there. I just think from the Cowboys standpoint,
you look at both the situation with Dak Prescott and
was Zeke Elliott, I don't see them going anywhere this year. Um,
if they're missing one of the two and people argue
till they're blew in the face about who's more important,
I think they need both of them. And when you
look at the window for them and them having opportunity
(14:03):
to win right now, and the way zones is historically
done business, I would imagine that this is going to
be looked at his two favorable player deals that will
come down to keep those guys on the field all season. Yeah.
How good are they the team as a team? Yeah?
I mean, look, I think defensively, um, they've got a young,
fast defense. Um, I think you've got to get your
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pass rusher back fully healthy coming off off season surgery.
But to Marcus Lawrences is a top six or seven
pass rusher in the league. So I feel good about
where they are Defensively, They've got to get the offensive line,
uh to consistently perform up to their ability and stay
healthy if they keep that group up front healthy. Um,
I think they've got a championship caliber team with a
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quarterback in Dak Prescott, who I might have some limitations
here there, but he has a formula he can use
to win football games and he's won a bunch of them.
So um, I think they're a championship caliber team. I
really do. But that that means they have everybody in
on time and regis start the season about offensive line
stage healthy. Last year we were concerned about finding another
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wide receiver for or a couple of wide receivers for
Tom Brady. Now they had to change, you know, tight
ends as well. It's first time since two thousand and
ten he's entered camp without knowing he wasn't gonna have
Rob Gronkowski on his team. Well, your thoughts on the
defending champion, the Patriots and what they're gonna I know
they're gonna run the football more once you get late
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in the season. But do they have the weapon re needed.
I think they're gonna run it, and I think they're
gonna being conduct people to death, and they're gonna shorten
games and they're going to force you to kick field
goals and get us and a score touchdown. It's like
the formula is still going to be the same. Um.
You know, Gronk is gonna be a hole for them.
But when you look at the depth they have at
the running back position, UM, I think you're gonna see
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more two back stuff from them than than just about
any other team in the league this year. And I
think they'll find ways to just get those guys, pitch
up the ball, get them out in space, and let
him go. UM. So, you know, there's there's a lot
of teams you come into the season and they're missing
this guy or this guy needs to stay healthy, and
you have your worries and your concerns. Doug, I don't
know if it's right or wrong. It's got to the
point where the Patriots where you just they've earned the
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benefit of the doubt of I don't care what they're missing. Uh,
they'll have a plan in place and they'll be ready
to roll. Who's the team? Who? Uh? And again it's
on paper, it's surely, but people are in the league
are talking about that that that we have. We haven't
caught up to yet, you know, Like, um, I mean
the Chargers were won last year obviously obviously the Chiefs,
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But I don't think the Chiefs were. It was a
surprise they were because they were good with Alex Smith
and then a better dynamic with Pad Mahomes. But there's
always a team that sneaks up on us. Who do
you think the team is this year? Well, I've been
here in the same two teams mentioned over and over
again when you talk to people around the league, and
I know the first one people say, oh, you guys
say this every year, it never happened. But San Francisco
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was a team that a lot of people feel, um
is going to be a playoff team and they just
need to keep the quarterback healthy. If they can keep
them healthy, with what they've added on the defensive line, um,
they're gonna be a much improved football team. And and
really play calling wise, Kyle Shanahan has as much respect
as any play caller around the league. So um, they're
a team I think that's uh, that's got a chance
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to have a really good year. And then the other
one is Minnesota and the reason being is is Gary
Kubiak plugging in there, maybe it's gonna really help Kirk
Cousins and they go out and get you know, Garrett
Bradberry in the offensive line. They've made some improvements there,
so they should be better up front. They're gonna have
somebody that really knows how to design a system around
the quarterback um and defensively, their talents as good as anybody.
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So who who are the teams that aren't as good?
As a reputation that precedes them would tell you, Well,
I think there's just the Browns are the hot topic.
You know, UM, people want to see is this you know,
is this all gonna work? There's a lot of talent um,
but what what's it gonna look like kind of forming
together and what's it like as a team. So that's
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the one I think everybody around the league is paying
attention to and curious about. Um. But you know, look,
there's there's a lot of people in the media stay
and they're the favorites to win that division. But you
don't get that same answer when you talk to people
around the league. They just I think maybe they're just
kind of holding onto the old Browns thing. And you've
got the Steelers and the Ravens with such a strong
track record, but definitely a prove it a year for
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them around the league. Most interesting team the Packers, Right,
you make kind of an interesting higher. It might not
be the best fit for Aaron Rodgers, but he did
need something different the defense in year two of a
newly in solid system with some really talented youth, feels
like the Packers are an interesting team, no doubt. I
think I would. I would put the Packers in there. Um,
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you know, coming off of a disappointing year, and I
don't even put the Falcons in there. Um is a
team that's that's really invested a lot in the offense. Um.
You look at what they did coaching wise, I don't
feel like they've got a shot there. Um. You look
at what they've done on the offensive line wise to
add some investments there. Uh. They know defensively when you
talk to him, getting Dion Jones back healthy, Johnald Neil
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back healthy, um, and I feel like Dirk Cutter is
going to be able to get a good year out
of Matt Ryan. So that's a team with a lot
of ability, but that division is just brutal. What do
you think of the marriage between Jamis Winston and Bruce Arians, Like,
I saw some signs from Jamis Winston. Some people just
sold their stock to like not gonna happen, but he
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did some. There were some times when once he regained
the starting spot. Granted it was late in the year,
but I thought there was some signs. And then you
add Bruce Arians, who he has had the mightus touch
with quarterbacks canny. Can he save Jamis from from from
going down the path of ultimately being a backup? They
look like last year, I think it's I think it'll
be a good marriage. I think offensively they were pretty
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dynamic and explosive last year. They just gotta limit the
negative plays and that's been you know, really Jamis going
back to his college careers, it's the same thing. So
the ability is there or I think play calling wise,
scheme wise, this is going to match him up um,
but they've just got to find a way to rein
him in a little bit to uh to avoid some
of those turnovers. My thing with them is defensively, there's
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still just a lot of questions of whether or not
that team can get where they want to go. That's
where my concerner would be out, Look, they're gonna score
a bunch of points, and I expect James to play
well in this system. We had Mike Leach on yesterday
and he was saying, I said, you know, how important
is it for you to have Kingsbury work in the
air aid system work in the NFL? Considering it's like
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the first real shot. He's like, look, you look at
the Pittsburgh Steelers. They run a raid concepts. A lot
of teams run an air raid concepts. Like that's great,
but that doesn't did a success or lack there of
of this offense. Doesn't that signify whether or not the
air aid will work in the pros? Is that is
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that too big a statement for how important Cliff Kingsbury's
offense is in terms of how that offensive view. Oh,
I think it's. I think it is. I think a
lot of people looking at this as litmus test to see, um,
if this can work. Now, the same conversation was had
about Chip when uh when ship went to the Eagles
and then ended up changing some things there and adapted
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what he had traditionally done and kind of evolved a
little bit to the NFL game. Um, you know, especially
from when he started to win he finished up with
the forty niners. So, um, I'm curious to see if
Cliff just sticks to what he's done, or if he's
if he's added some more NFL concepts and wrinkles two things. So,
if it is what he's always done and it works,
get ready because there's gonna be a massive influx of
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college coaching them making its way to the NFL. Do
you think that it works? You know what? Yeah, I
don't want to. I don't want to the answer here
and not give you one, Doug, but it is really
it really is a tv D. I think they've got
a chance, um to consistently move the ball up and
down the field and rack up a bunch of yards.
My question is gonna be when this offense gets down
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inside the red zone, which is where you win football
games in the NFL. Um, can they find a way
to punch it in? And that, to me is my concern.
And uh that's why I would say, you know, how's
it gonna work? Yards? You want to look at yards?
I think they'll be really impressive. Points is going to
be my question mark whether or not they can punch
it in. Yeah, if you look at um, you look
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at the Odell Beckham Jr. Interview. Okay, my takeaway from
it and you tell me Danna Jeremiah are guest. Of course,
you can see in the NFL Network download Has Moved
the Sticks podcast? Uh, he joins us here in the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know, he
had talked about retiring at twenty four when things were
going poorly. He felt disrespected by the Giants. He was
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asked why he wasn't it o t a s with
the Cleveland Browns because it wasn't mandatory. Like, I get
that he works out hard, and I'll be him by
that he practices hard when he practices, but they're just
they're just something to me, there's just something missing there
that he does still doesn't get that there's no level
of accountability for what he can do and what he
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can contribute to winning. That he's one of those I
say that I want to win, but I don't know
actually how to win. Is that too crazy to take
from an interview? No? I look, I think you can
take that away. I just think sometimes in these interviews
some of these guys and and this is the exact
situation here. That's such a long interview and you get
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kind of, uh, a little long winded there, and then
I don't know what you take from it. I just
I really don't. I'm just anxious and I'm I'm heard
enough from Odell. So I just want to see him
get out there and play, um and see if we
see the player that we saw early on in his career,
if he can get back to that and be consistent. Um.
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So that to me, I mean everybody in parts, all
of his words. I think it was a very long
interview somewhere with a million different takeaways. Um, I'm just
kind of over hearing about it. I'm over hearing about
the giants, I'm over hearing about him. I just want
to see him get on the field and see if
he can live up to the hype and and be
the guy we saw early in his career we haven't
seen recently. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a great point,
Um rosen or Fitzpatrick in Miami. Oh gosh, this is
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a classic short term long term to me, I think
that decisions should be Rosen, even if Fitzpatrick is better
early on. I want to get a long, extended evaluation
of Josh Rosen. And the argument against that as well,
you might lose some of the veterans on the team
because Fitzpatrick might be better equipped to play right now
and you're trying to win games. And I'm sitting here saying, look,
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that's a I don't know. I wouldn't stop me. Look,
we have to evaluate this kid. We're not going anywhere
this year. It's realistic. Uh, let's be uh, let's be honest,
and we have to find out what we have in
Josh Rosen because we all know Bryan Fitzpatrick's not going
to be the guy next year. We have to figure
this kid out or whether or not we need to
go in the quarterback market next year's draft. So to me,
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I think from an organizational standpoint, I think you huddle
together and say, I don't care what we gotta do. Uh,
if you've got to manufacture this thing for him to
in it, um, but we've got to see Josh Rosen.
I tend to agree with you. I maybe the least
discussed potential star player in the dress in the league
is Christian McCaffrey. Like they figured out how to use him.
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He figured out how to stay on the field for
every down. I don't know what Cam's gonna look like
because he couldn't throw a football last year. Um, but
he's McCaffrey's added added weight and looks like an NFL player,
And he obviously he has breathtaking speed and versatility, the
likes of which you don't see often. Am I too
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bullish on Christian McCaffrey. No, not at all. And you
look at you know what he's run behind, not one
of the better groups in the league. So um, it's
not like he's benefited from a consistent passing attack or
a or a consistent offensive line. And he's proven already.
Look if you if sometimes you play these games in
the in the scouting room during training camp here in
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the evenings, you're gonna get bored. And if you told
me right now, third and three, third and four, Um,
you can have any back on the field in the league.
Who do you want? I don't I'm not sure. I
would just say Christian McCaffrey, for what do you could
do running the ball? As well as what he's proven
he can do catching the ball. So um. He is
an explosive, dynamic player, uh, who kind of gets lost
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because of where he plays. Daniel, great stuff. Man, can't
wait to talk with you after you've seen some preseason games.
We've seen some of these young quarterbacks and how they
developed in the meantime. Appreciate being our guest on Fox
Sports Radio. I appreciate. All Right. That's Daniel Jeremiah joining
us on The Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure to catch
live edition so the Doug dot Leaps Show weekdays at
noon Eastern three pm Pacific. He's the head coach of
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his album Moto, which happens to be my album monitors
My Gundy, and he joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike,
how are you? I'm great, Doug. I I was. I
was finishing up doing something. I was bailing some hey,
and I realized I was seven minutes late, So I
apologize for being late, but I did get to catch
up on the National News their list, and so it
wasn't that bad. Wait wait, wait see are you seriously bailly? Hey?
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Are you just saying that the pull are like no, no,
huh no, we're we're we just finished. Uh we cut
the other day and tethered and then you know, you
let it set for eight for eighteen to thirty six hours,
depending on the wind and the temperature. And uh, we
we ran, but we round bell it today and so
we just finished up, um and we should get one
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more cut probably in October. How how much are you
out there? Well, when I'm on vacation, on there every day,
like when I take time off. Um, and you know this, well,
you're you're, you're. It's the same for you, Like if
you're anywhere near the office or work, you're not really
on vacation. You're working. I mean that's just the way
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it is, right. Um. So I go on my tractor
and I worked the fields and then I don't take
my phone out there, and so they, Um, Danielle whom
my assistant that works with me, she knows that I'm
on to try and he tells him he's on a tractor.
So if they need me, they're gonna have to drive
out to the ranch and drive out there on the
property to get me if it's really really important. So
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that that's that's how I kind of get away. And
plus I enjoyed doing that. Uh, you know, I've got
a hundred acres here that we farm with high protein
weed free um bermuda. Hey that that these horse farmers by.
I'm on the other end of it with I got
girls at ride horses, so I know how expensive that
high end weed free stuff is. So you have you
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have no cell phone? Do you have music playing? No?
You know, one thing my dad taught me is is
any time you're operating heavy equipment, tractors and machinery. You know,
they have these new machines that all have radios and
music and it, but you can't hear the machine. You
don't know if something goes wrong, you know, and it's
not good to listen to music. So I was trained
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at the young age to never listen to music when
I'll operate machinery. And so that's always stuck in my head.
And so no, I don't listen to a thing. I
kind of watch what's going on and listen to this,
listen to the tractor and the equipment. And this is
your like kind of therapy. Is it cathartic to you?
It is it? Really? I don't play golf. I mean
I coach and then I follow my kids around doing
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what their stuff, you know, baseball or football or whatever,
just like you follow your kids. I don't play golf.
I don't do any of that stuff. So that's my getaway.
The only other thing I'll do is every once in
a while go to the lake, um and just kind
of hang out there. But I can't do it very much.
I got to get back and go to work, and
it kind of drives me crazy after a while. Okay,
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So like what if something, if something goes wrong, does
your assistant come out and flag you down? Is that
they don't you know? Or have you? Have you reached
the stage? Where? Who was it? Uh? Coach Bowden at
Florida State? Right, he had his nap every day and
he could wake up up from his nap, like, what
is what is the policy? How big an emergency does
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it have to be to get you off the tractor? Well,
I haven't got to the nap yet. Hopefully I coach
as long as he did. He coached till he was
about nineties for that, you know, and so he he
deserved then. But um, Danielle knows that kind of what.
She's been with me now for ten years, so she
knows what's serious and what's not serious. But I'm sure
you followed. I just I just gave Casey done this
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new high dollar, long term assistant head coach, director, head coach,
high dollar title. And so if if it's not really
really really really bad and he gets to handle it,
it's so different from you because because when you first
got the job as head coach, people remember you were
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calling plays, and you were so invested in calling plays.
There are times you couldn't pay attention to the defense
of the special teams because you're over there working on
the offense. Like has it do Do you miss the
days of being more involved in every little detail of
the offense. Yes, But in my opinion, at Oklahoma State,
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I'm not saying it Alabama or at Michigan or you know,
I don't know about any other school. I just know
at Oklahoma State, I don't think that the head coach
can operate all the different areas. It's it's become too complex,
in my opinion, recruiting all the media, all the side shows,
dealing with the players, the offense and defensive game has
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gotten much more complicated than it ever has been. It's
just too much. Um. And you know the truth is this, um.
You know, I'm I'm fifty two or getting ready to
be fifty two or whatever, and I feel great and
I'm energetic and being fortunate with my health and everything.
But I don't have the same energy level from six
in the morning until leven and ninth that I did
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when I was thirty five. Yeah, you just don't. And
so what happens is is when I would go in
in the mornings at six thirty and start watching tape
to get ready for a game, and and then I
would stay in there until noon and then come out
and try to get ready for practice and do everything else.
That's what you have to do to get ready to
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call a game, in my opinion. But but now I
just I couldn't do it, you know, I haven't done
it in years. And it's better anyway. It's better to
not micromanage, in my opinion, and it's better for other
guys on the staff to play their role. Everybody has
their responsibility, UM. And so it's been good for me.
I think it's made me a better coach, and I
think it's made I know it's made our program better
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because I kind of have a better field for everything
going on, not just the offense. UM. You played obviously
for Pat Jones, and people don't know Pat Jones, he's
still a personality and TV and radio um in the Southwest,
but he was and he was a great personality when
when you played for him, you guys won ten games.
But I was speaking actually at the o C at
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the Oaklahoma Coach Association earlier today in Tulsa, and I
was trying to explain that, I look, I played for
one of the greatest college coaches ever and he never
drew up a play in a whiteboard, like never. And
I have friends that played for Mike Sachowski, played for
lud Olsen, played for you name it, and they're like, yeah,
they didn't draw on the whiteboard. When did it? And
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I know it's gotten more complex since you started till now,
but compared to when you played until now, and the
level of complexity that you need to know as a
head coach, Uh, when did when did we get to
where everything became so complex in in in sports and
and that coaches had to have such an intricate knowledge
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of each and every play technology there's so much more
information out there, all the all the when to go
for fourth downs, when not to um um certain defenses,
certain blitzes, certain stunts, certain coverages that you get on field.
Location has location down in distance, location, uh, second quarter,
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fourth quarter. Now we have much more information than we
ever had. We didn't need to have that information. So
what's happened is these quarterbacks, because of all the training
that's going on in the summer, seven on sevens and things,
they they come into college essentially um with probably of
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information that coaches have at our level. I mean when
I went to college, I knew just I mean I
knew just enough to get there. I didn't know and
I didn't know a whole lot to a few coverages
that was said. I didn't know line play, I didn't
know protections, I didn't know all that. Well, these kids
now are coming in they know it, and so all
of the different scenarios and the locations on the field
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of things that happened, it would virtue it would be
virtually impossible, in my opinion, for a guy to know
it like the back of his hand and also be
a head coach. So the technology has changed the game,
almost like Moneyball with the Oakland A's that movie you
know from Wild Black Well that's gotten into football in
the last three or four years and I was a
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little bit hesitant, but then after you study it, they're
pretty accurate. So so if they're accurate, you have to
stay on top of your game. You have to be
able to keep up with it, or it's a disadvantage
for your team because you're not giving your team the
best chance because you're calling plays and you don't really
know because you're spending time with the media or doing
other things you've got to deal with as a head coach.
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And so that's when it's changed four or five years
ago in my opinion. And then and then the other
thing that's changed is the ability to where the lineman
can go three yards down the field right like the
r p O s have. It makes it really really
difficult to defend forget you know, dual thread quarterbacks. But
but the ability to hand the football off, I mean
that that's changed as well as at i'd like the
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actual officiating has changed. How the how the game is,
how the game is played, and what plays you call, well,
there's no question. And you know what's funny is is
the NFL is is is watching college football. That's where
they're getting their plays. Okay, that's why, that's why they
hired Kingsbury and and so this has been going on
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for four or five years. The pay Trips have done
it for for quite a while, and so more NFL
teams are buying into it. Um. I don't know anything
about the NFL. Never coached in it, didn't play in it.
I don't know anythink. I just know that their coaches
are somewhat hesitant at times to say we're getting plays
from college coaches. Watch. We had we had Leach on
yesterday and Lee said, I asked him about about Cliff
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and about how important cliffs success was for the air
aid offense, and he said, you know, if you watched Patriots,
they've been running air aid concepts for years, and the
Steelers do as well, he said, just nobody wants to
say it because there's some sort of taboo with it. Well,
the Patriots were ahead of the game, in my opinion.
The Chiefs have been doing it for three years. Um,
the Rams just started it a year or two. I
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can't keep up with how long the young guys been
there coaching McVeigh. Um. They're doing a little bit different,
but it's essentially the same concept. They're tempo and like
like they really put Dallas in a tough situation this
year because of the tempo. Wasn't the plays they were running,
it was the tempo of the offense that they were running.
The plays caused Dallas the problems. And the Eagles have
been doing it for several several years, UM the Falcons
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were doing it. UM. I can't keep track of it,
but they're running college offenses and that's why they're they're
they're starting to UM draft guys like Baker Mayfield and
Kyler Murray who years ago would have never had a
chance to play. But because of the style of plenty
basically meaning that when you're our po and you're not
blocking one guy, somebody's getting turned loose and the quarterback
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has to make a decision very similar to a point guard.
He's got to dish the ball and get rid of
it and get it to the right person before that
guy gets to him. And so that's why the game's
changed UM in the last three or four years, and
people are scoring you know, go look at look at
coaches that are in the NFL, and UM have have
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stayed with some of the old school, old style offensive schemes.
They can't score enough points. They're gonna change. How about
how may you even in college football? Jim Hardball had
the old style and he couldn't. He couldn't, couldn't keep
up and how good no matter how effective it used
to be, it's just not and he scrapped it. This
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year was was was at Stanford, was winning. You know,
I don't know what he was winning Stanford. He did good,
like winning eight games and nine. I don't know if
he ever won ten. I don't. I think they didn't
win a game before he got there. He won ten
is last year and they played you guys the year
after he left, right, right, So he's getting real good
with his style. And then you know, I was kind
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of following him this year and last year they started.
Now they've completely made the transition. So what's happened is
it's just like the shot clock in the NBA and
in college. So you can't play coach Sutton's gonna play
defense and not turn the ball over in basketball, and
he's gonna beat you because you're gonna make mistakes and
he's not going to make mistakes. You can't really do
that anymore because you can't score enough points right saying football,
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I mean you look at look at years that what
was it three, three or four years ago? You were
getting them, we need to put a clock on offenses
and they can't snap the ball over so many seconds.
You were getting that from the SEC powerhouses. Well now
the now, the now, the SEC powerhouses are doing the
same thing. Hey, last thing, we'll let you get back
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to bail and hey, um, this year starts out on
the road at Oregon State. You know that another program
and you kind of got this. You've got you've got
Spencer Sanders, a kid who's got all the talent but
hasn't ever seen live bullets. Or you got Drew Brown,
who has you mentioned? Guys that come in and they
know a lot more, they've thrown a lot more football
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as they have the talent. What's the what's the decision,
like first game of the season, experience versus maybe upside
and talent you gotta get. You gotta go with the
guy that gives your offense the best chance to score
points and do it the right way. Okay, and I
go back to what we talked about and saying, um,
you might have one that's more explosive, but but if
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he's turning the ball over and doesn't understand the offense,
and he can't distribute it to the Cuba Hubbard or
to the Wallace or get it to the right people,
then then he's going to cause you more problems than
a guy that can distribute the ball. And this is
the first time in my career as a head coach
and we've had a quarterback race that's dead, even starting
in August, and people have asked, um, you know, they said, well,
(40:25):
who's gonna play? I don't know right now. In spring ball,
nobody took it. Now somebody shows up in the next
two to three weeks and they take the job. Will
name a starter? Makes my job easier if we name
a starter. I think ultimately that's the best for the
team when they knew who the quarterback is. But you
can't name a starter if you don't know because you've
been in a lot of practice. The kids know, right,
they know what's going on in practice. So that's why
(40:45):
I was joking with uh with Kaole, my brother when
I ran in him a few weeks ago, because there
had been a big conversation about it, and I said, well,
you're gonna tell me that nobody on your staff knew
that Kyler Murray was the best quarterback three days for
the first game last year. Yeah, that that doesn't I
mean everybody everybody knew, right, everybody's and so I was
(41:08):
using that as an example. I said, So that's not
I mean, we're not operating that way. And I'm not
saying you were. I'm just guessing that most people probably knew.
Um but uh, but we're not in that situation. And
and you know, we gotta go play at Oregon State.
You know, they score points. People talk about their record,
but let me tell you what they do. They score points.
So that's very similar to when we see in this league.
(41:30):
They score a lot of points. Probably haven't played as
well on defense as they would have wanted to, but
they did score a lot of points, and they do
it in a little bit of a conventional way. They're unbalanced,
they're doing wings or doing tied ends over So it'll
be a dog fight, you know how it is, Friday
night game, first game year on the road. Well, listen,
I will hopefully see up there. If not, get back
(41:51):
on the tractor, clear your mind. Can't wait to see
in the sideline. That was great catching up all right, Well,
give me a call the week for the game or something. Okay,
all right, I'll just do I listened to you at
hearing all the time. All right, you're laying because you
said you don't listen to anything on the tractor. But
I appreciate no. No, I do it in the car.
I do it driving in a car. I'm messing with you. Thanks.
(42:12):
Thanks coach My Gundy joining us on the dug Outlive Show.
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