LeBron Needs A Reality Check

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Next week I go to Cowboys. How about them Cowboys?
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So a lot to get to. Daniel Jeremiah from the
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in fifteen minutes. We'll talk about the league and the
contract holdouts. Kevin Someone, a long time friend, former Houston
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find out if he's got a swag copter in Tucson.

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Marty Smith will join us as well. Uh in the
third hour of the show. ESPN Reporter has got his
own book. Kind of a fascinating rise to rise to
prominence in this profession. Plus great hair, great beard, good accent.
Sounds like the South, doesn't he Like? If I was
from the South, I'd want to look and talk and
act exactly like Marty Smith. So yesterday came it came

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down that there's a a new n c A rule
now in college basketball. College basketball, what I think most
people know is that there's a new rule that was
enacted for this past season, this past year in which

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college basketball underclassman could talk to and actually sign with
sign with an NBA agent while trying to make a
decision as to whether or not they um as to
whether or not they wanted to go to the pros.
So this is one year in to these new rules

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in terms of timing, and yesterday there's a new n
c A amendment the criteria for agents angling to represent
college basketball players who are just testing the draft waters.
Here's the three prerexs you have to have. You have
to have a bachelor's degree, you have to be certified
by the NBA PA for at least three years, and
you must pass in person exam at the n c

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office in Annapolis. Right, So when you think about these
three rules, immediately I think, I think a person who's
been around a while, been around sports while under dance
bachelor's degree. All right, you went to college and you
gotta be a you gotta be s or whatever you get.

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Whatever you got, it's fine. You must be certified by
the NBA PA for at least three years. We don't
want some guy who's just getting into the business who
hasn't gone to college, who's you know, a you guy?
Now I want to represent my guy and be an
agent advising players. We want people that are educated in
the profession and educated in general. And you must pass

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it in person exam the n c A office. Why
is that so you know what the rules are? Because
the NBA PA rules are different from the n c
A rules. And this way you can't say I didn't
know what was that at the end of G I
Joe cartoons and knowing is half the battle. So of course,

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the most prominent NBA voice on social media is Lebron James,
and he comes out and rips it and calls it
the Rich Paul rule. I looked up the definition of
of something someone and I thought it was really really interesting. Okay,

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so this is the definition of a of a syndrome, Okay,
the personality syndrome. It's a long term pattern of abnormal
behavior characterized by exaggerating feelings of self importance and excessive
need for admiration and lack of empathy. Those affected often

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spend so much time thinking about achieving power or success
or on their appearance, they often take advantage of people
around them. Their behavior typically begins at early adulthood and
occurs throughout a variety of social situations. H huh um.
Some of the signs or symptoms of such a personality

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disorder grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people.
Didn't Lebron show up at a Laker game last year
with a goblet of wine? Did happen? Fixation on fantasies
of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, self perception of being unique,

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superior associated with the high status people and institutions. Now,
Lebron James is of high status, all right, But the
idea that he's unique, the idea that all these rules.
All these things are about him, the need for continual

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admiration from others. What happened last week when David Griffin said,
you know, look, it was miserable to work with Lebron
to try and win that championship. And you know, Lebron,
even in his own words, he's not the animal he
used to be about winning. Unwillingness to emphasize empathy, empathize

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with the feelings, wishes, needs of other people. This is
all narcissistic personality disorder. That's what it is. Like. Hey, look, dude, Lebron,
it ain't about you, it ain't about Rich Paul. I
know you may feel like I'm the first athletes of

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my kind to force my way out of a situation. No, actually,
you're a free agent. You signed elsewhere. It's happened before.
Shaquille O'Neill went from the Magic to the Lakers, right,
Kareem abdul Jabbar forced his way from the Bucks to

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the Lakers. Mack. You look around the NBA and this
has happened for years, in which players have picked their
destination and at times of power or at times of
free agents. In fact, when Lebron James left Cleveland he
was a free agent. He didn't even force his way.
He didn't do what others have done. Like, if anything,

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Paul George is more the Trailblazer. Paul George signed a
Max contract to stay after shunning the Lakers, and a
year later walked into Sam Presty's office and said, I'm
done here. Trade me to the Clippers right now. That's
actually the first of its kind because usually what happens
is you're in the last year of a contract, or

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maybe like Anthony Davis, the last two years of a contract.
You've been for to a place for a long time.
Lebron James left two franchises, both when he was a
free agent and he was free to do so. Maybe
signing the one year contract is the unique part, but
that's about it. Lebron James thinks he invented barbershop conversation.

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He actually sued the University of Alabama because they had
a barbershop talk TV show. Rob Parker works here at
Fox Sports Radio. He co hosts The Odd Couple, which
starts at seven o'clock Eastern time, four o'clock Pacific. Did
you know had a barbera barbershop talk show on television?

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I mean, hey, can we watch Coming to America. The
most famous scenes are from the Barbershop. There's actually a
movie called The Barbershop. But Lebron James not only has
the fixation of fantasies of power, success, intelligence, and attractiveness,
but he's a self perception of being unique, superior, high

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status people. You say he doesn't lack empathy. Look, I
don't think anyone should think that Lebron James talking about
Taco Tuesday using a Mexican accent is any sort as
any sort of really negative impact. I don't think it's discriminatory.

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I don't think it's racist. It's not a big deal.
I don't actually care. But what you should at least
consider is, imagine if it was Imagine if it was
for law Fool Wednesday and he talked like somebody who
is Jewish, right, Imagine if it was Lula Wednesday and
they talked like somebody who was Asian, or if I

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did that exact same voice. How would you feel about it?
How do you feel about it? Like? Look, we took
a Pooh off of The Simpsons because it was deemed
to be an offensive stereotype of Indian people that they
would work and talk and be on their own quickie

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mark Right. But Lebron James thinks that he's superior, can't
empathize with others, doesn't see that the exact same thing
he spends most of his social media work working against.
He's actually performing himself because he has narcissistic personality disorder.

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Just take a breath, look at it for what it is.
It's the n c A going like, hey, here's the
low bar. Just have a degree, be allegit agent for
a couple of years. Come in and meet with us
and pass the tests, you know the n c A rules,
and you can go and sign and uh sign n
c A players and talk with them about the possibility
of them leaving for the NBA. Rich Paul has lawyers

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that work for him. The fact that rich Paul doesn't
have a bachelor's degree should be a warning sign. I
want my agent to not just have a bachelor's degree.
I want a master's degree and a law degree. And
the idea that Lebron James thinks this is about him,

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that NBA teams wanted to change player movement is about him,
that barbershop talk is about him is classic narcissistic behavior,
and some of that is what allowed him to be
an incredible athlete and have an incredible impact on media,
social media and the places in which he's played. But dude,

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this ain't about Rich Paul. Jeff Goodman, of course, longtime
hoops insider, works for Stadium Sports one NBA guy of
the new n c A Rules. The Rich Paul stuff
is silly. He reps like one or two guys per draft,
and as lawyers working for him, they're trying to protect
kids from other clowns. You should see the runner workout
guy uncle types. We get this isn't about Rich Paul,

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but when Lebron James automatically assumes it is, it only
shows Lebron James as narcissistic personality disorder. Be sure to
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Radio and the i Heart Radio a app Doug Got
Live Show Fox Sports Radio. Yesterday, We're at Charges camp

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and the guy that calls the Charges game and the
Charges Radio network is no other than Daniel Jeremiah DJ
joins US. You can see on the NFL Network as well.
Check out download has Moved the Sticks podcast. Um, what
do you think ultimately happens with Melvin Coourdon? Well, I
don't think the charges are gonna blink, Doug. So what

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ultimately happens is going to be up to him. But
you know, I would guess you know, he ends up
coming back in on on the contract he's at. Um,
you know, just on the quotes that you heard or
these from the outside, was that he was very disappointed
with the offer from the chargers, and I just don't
see what the charges being in a situation they are
right now that that offer is gonna change to the

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point that he'd be he'd be good with it. So
to me, it sounds like this to be heading towards
him eventually coming in on the contract he's currently on. Yeah,
I think so too. I mean, listen, very very seldom
do general managers tell you much of anything, but Tom
Talasco was on our show yesterday and he basically said,

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we're comfortable where we are with the contract. That sounded
like it may not be lasting final, but it's as
close to last and final as you're gonna feel, you know,
You're it's pretty close that they do feel like. I
don't blink organization. Yeah again, and I think it's it's
gonna benefit them more than likely, um, in the now
and in the long run, because players and agents know

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what they're gonna get and they know they're not gonna blink.
So usually what happens is the players usually in depth
blinking on the other side of things. Look at the
Cowboys and you talk to anybody around the league, they
will tell you, well, Zeke just needs to keep hold
strong because eventually the Dallas Cowboys are gonna give in.
They're gonna cave and they're gonna give him what he
wants because that's kind of been their history and their
track records. So, um, your reputation can can help you

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hurt you in these things. Yeah, it's it's a it's
a fascinating. The one thing that will be interesting with
the Chargers is we're like a year away from the
same show down with Joey Bosa. It feels like that
there's a little a little different there, right, because you
only they different. You mean, obviously it's a position, you know, so, um,
where whereas you be? Okay, I think doing above market

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at that position, knowing that that that number is just
going to continue to grow, and uh, it's the end
up looking like a really good deal in time. The
running back thing that's got people scared is that, Yeah,
if you set the market now, I mean that number
might not ever be exceeded. Uh. You know, look at
the numbers where they are with that those big three
that we have right now, and and there's a lot
of regret with with those deals. So uh, you know,

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at quarterbacks, pass rushers, those numbers just going to continue
to climb. Dou gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio.
How good are the Chargers better this year? Right? Like?
It feels like the Chiefs have gotten better, although we'll
see if they figured out the running back position, but
they've their defense is putred. It feels better. It feels
like I think Denver is gonna be better. You thought

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it was a better quarterback in case Keenum. Um, I
think the Raiders are better again none, none of this meant.
But the Chargers two new tackles to start the season
until they get Russell Kung back, if and when they
in fact they get him back, they've changed the linebackers.
Are they better? I think defensively without question, they're better. Um,

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just because look at people forget about both the missing
so much time last year, so getting both of for
a full six team, hopefully um Derwin James continuing to
take his game to a whole nother level. The linebacker position,
you've got health, You've got depth, something you didn't have
either of last year. I think absolutely the defense is
going to be improved now. Offensively, uh, you know, getting

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a hunter Henry Beck is going to help the pass
gave no doubt to me. It's it's gonna come down
to the offensive line. And I know, you know, we
just talked about Melvin not being there, and I think
that will kind of resolve itself. And they've got enough
depth there to hold the fourth down. But to me,
seeing how this offensive line comes together, that to me
is the that's going to determine whether or not this
is a better football team or not. What about the Cowboys,

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how do you think they should proceed? Well, I mean,
I think they've kind of paint themselves into a corner
in terms of how this team is built and where
they are in the process. And and I've never heard
so much talk about um Miami Miami Miami usually at
this point in time, Doug, I don't even know where
the super Bowl is being played. But because of everybody

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that covers the Cowboys and all the talk about the Cowboys,
I know it's Miamis. That's all they talk about is
this team expects to be in Miami. So when you've
set that expectation, when you've built your team around around
the running back position and you're dependent on the running
back the way they are, um to me, I think
it's gonna it's gonna proceed with them giving out a
contract that they're not going to feel great about. I

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think that's what's gonna happen more than Todd Gurley's. I
think he will. I think he's gonna get to that
number and they'll be you know these when these things
get reported, you know every agent can can can give
you a number that's going to make it sound better,
and I guarantee, at least in some aspect that will
be better than Girl's number. You're traveling around to training camps.
How many you've been to so far? I think I've

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been the six most of the point where when you
check out of the hotel and they go, what room
were you at? Don't even know what city? I man,
what room in Miami? Most impressive team so far. Mm hmm.
That is a great question. Philadelphia. Philadelphia's You know, when
you talk about to me, the things that jump on

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a training camp is depth and their depth along the
offensive line. The defensive line is ridiculous. You know, where
so many teams are trying to find five to put
out there. On the offensive line, They've got three to
four guys that are backups that would start at a
lot of places. Um. So, just the kind of depth
they have. Carson Wentz is in great shape and looked
really good. They're they've got they go five deeper receiver,

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they go three or four deep at running back. Um,
I mean they are. They are a really really deep
and talented football team. Least impressive, Oh that's a tough one.
Least impressive of the teams that I went to, I
would say that, you know, Buffalo just has some some

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things they just need to put together. Now. I saw
a lot of really good teams playoff games. I I
think that they're probably a seven eight win team this year.
I think that's the ceiling for them. But they just
have a lot of a lot of new parts. I
think offensively, maybe only like three guys coming back from
last year that will be starting this year. So I
think it's gonna take a little while for all that

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to come together. People are impressed by the defensive least
on paper. Um, they're good defensively now, but offensively, there's
still a lot lot to get put together. Is Josh
Allen the answer? I think they've got a way they
can play where they can win with how he plays now,
it's it's just very different and very unique, and it's
very reminiscent to Uh to a young Cam and how

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that offense was built in Carolina. That's that's their formula.
That's how they've got to play. Ironically, that's where all
those guys be from, with Brandon being on the personnel
side and McDermott on the coaching side. So they've been
in a situation playing with a quarterback in that fashion
where they can win. So I think there's a formula
they can do it. What about Cam Newton, Um, what
does the league think about him this year? Coming off

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a year in which he really struggled with that shoulder.
I gotta see it, you know, like that's one of
those ones, right, did not stop there? And you want
to see how he throws it feels, you know, we
have the same conversation about Andrew Luck, you know, and
pe like, what do you expect from any Luck? Well, man,
I don't know. I mean, that's a that's your shoulder, like,
you don't mess around with that stuff. So I want
to see him out there and and see how he's

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throwing and how comfortable he is. And Kenny pushed the
ball down the field, Um, if he can. They've actually
got some uh, some pretty unique weapons there, obviously with
McCaffrey being at the front of the line. Um, but
with with d J. Moore and company, they've got some dudes. Um.
So to me, it's just I gotta see it. Dana
Jeremiah Moved the Sticks is the podcast you check them
out on on the NFL network. Um, I'm I'm fascinated

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to see what happens with the with the Cleveland Browns
this year. I think most people are as well, what's
the weakness the offensive line? The inexperience of the head coach? Well,
what's the weakness? Well, I think you hit the question
marks for sure, and and I'll be more concerned about
the offensive line than I wouldn't be about Freddie Uh
with Freddie Kitchens a head coach. So to me, you
have a guy who's had a disappointing career and uh

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and Greg Robinson, who who got it together last year?
You know, do you uh, do you get that same
guy this year? I don't know. You know, you lose Zeitler,
who is one of the better interior offensive lineman the league. Um,
and I don't think they're great at right tackle. So
you've got three potential question marks on an offensive line.
That's uh, you know for a team that some people

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are predicting to win the Super Bowl. Uh, that's that's
something that that would scare me a little bit. Yeah, Miami, Miami, Miami,
even in Cleveland. Uh. You also saw Daniel Jones in person,
you went to Giants camp. What were your in person impressions? My? My,
My thoughts were pretty simple. This is the best scenario
that he could have gone into. And I'm not talking
about like who's you know on the offense and around him.

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I'm saying going there with eli um and everybody tells
you he is not. When I was there, he had
not taken one rep with the starters, So it is
no there is no hint of a controversy there it
is realized job for right now, and that he was
so much more relaxed. I visited with him at the
Senior Bowl, I visited with him at the Combine, I
visited with him at the draft and uh, and I've

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never seen him the way he was out there, which
was totally comfortable and relaxed. And they said he's actually
played pretty well in camp. Great stuff, Daniel, enjoy enjoy
all the camp tours. Thanks so much for the insight.
Appreciate you being our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Have
me back next week. I'll tell you about the one
pass I got to see Kyler Murray throwing game tomorrow.
You can't tell me right now. Oh tomorrow, Yeah, yeah,

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because he got the game. That's right. You throw one? Maybe?
What do you think over under one and a half?
Have you have you seen him practice? Have you seen
them practice? I've got clips, I've got some. I've got
some good friends in there, so I've seen some incredible,
incredible clips of him throwing. But they're not going to
cut him loose in the preseason. He's gonna be a
bubble wrapping. Is he the real deal? He's pretty good man.

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He's pretty good. So he's gonna be I know one thing,
they were the most boring team in the NFL last year.
That won't be the case this year. Yeah, I and
hopefully get rid of it quick because he doesn't have
much blocking for him. He's got they do. But it's
gonna be the It's gonna be the running shoot man.
I'm telling four wid every snap and if I'm just
as a quarterback like, I'm excited to see it. Thanks
so much, d J Daniel Jeremiah joining us. Be sure

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to catch live editions. So the Doug Dot Leap Show
week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. So last
night was the first um Hard Knocks show of the year, right,
like it was the first episode? There you go, that
was the word I was? I was. You know, sometimes
you lose a word, You're like, I got a word.
I got a word. I got a word. First episode
of Hard Knocks of the year, And there was this

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weird scene where John Griden clearly knows he's miked. Everyone
knows that he knows that he's miked. And of course
the team has final cut decision right on what comes
out of each episode, and this is one of the
things that came out of that episode. That's been right, Derek, good,

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great round, Yes, let's go. Do you like this these offense?
You like this offense? You like the offense? Great throw, Derek, Hi, Hi,
there we're down at three or stick of shot? Touch

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st that's great, great throw, great throw? Wait to throw
the deep ball? Big good? It was it was it
was one. It was a you know, it was a
Derek Carr love fest. Right, no pads in shorts? Great throw,

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great throw, Derek Carr love that guy. I want to well, wait,
wait to throw the deep ball there, wait to throw
the deep ball. There. There's a couple of things here. Um.
It is a TV show. They do kind of build
up the storylines. In the first one, I thought, using
the kid, what's the kid's name? From Last Chance? You that?

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You know, it's it's funny. There's always the um there's
I tell people this all the time about playing in
the usb L. When I was in the usb L
the first time in two thousand, I just get done
playing in college and there's this unbelievable team in the

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usb L. We had um, we had Ira Bowman who
went on to play in the NBA. We had Uh
shoot and we had I'm gonna say, like six. Bubba Wells,
who was draft in the second round, led the country
and scoring. Um. Like, we went through and we had
all these different uh, all these different guys that had

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had played. Le Bradford Smith had been a first round
pick in the NBA draft. And what I remember telling
my dad, my dad, and these guys are amazing. They're
all I don't know why they're all here. They're all NBA,
NBA players and they're all here. And he said to me,

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there's always a reason. There's a reason. And Gale and
Young was the second round pick of the Bucks. He
came out early from UNC Charlotte and he just wasn't
a natural. He wasn't a good enough shooter. That's why
he didn't make it. Um. Le Bradford Smith went from
being a freak athlete kind of lost his athleticism in
the NBA. I don't know if he's a hangout guy
or what. Willie Burton was on our team. Willie Burton

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was just straight. He had a I think he had
a drinking problem when he was in the NBA. Crash
his car. But he scored fifty in a game for
the Miami heat. Like Willie Burton was a I played
with him in Russia. He was recovered alcoholic. He was
a great dude. He was unbelievable score. Bubba Wells had
broken his both of his legs at stress factors. He
had rods putting his legs and he had a weight problem.

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And I remember, like where I get ready for the
first usbl game, get my car from the holiday in
my truck and I'm driving and there's Bubba Wells parked
out in front of Sonic and he's got like two burgers,
forty four hours drink. Todd's just crushing it. And I
remember what my dad said, There's always a reason, right.

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So there's a guy named Ronald Ali. Okay, and Ronald
really was a Last Chance You guy TV show. Another
reality show um on was Eastern Mississippi Community College, the
one that he was in and ron Aali, you know,
on on the ninety Man Roster sits out of part

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of practice because he's hurt that he misses a treatment
that he's on the bike, and Jon Gruden's like, let's
get rid of him, and you start to realize there's
a reason he was at lant Last Chance You. There's
a reason that he doesn't make a roster. There's a
reason that he got cut. You know, like there's levels

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of you got to be a great player to be
a great player in the NFL. But outside of the
freak super talents, there's a bunch of guys that are
kind of interchangeable, and whether you make it or don't
make it is based upon how you handle your business.
Are you able to not do that one thing that
would keep other guys out of the league. The guy

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who's an unbelievable AU coach in um trainer, his name's
Jeff mcinness. I don't Tousha mckinness is his nickname. Touchette
played at North Carolina with Jerry Stackhouse and We'reshid Wallace.
He was the first round pick, I believe of the
Denver Nuggets. He didn't have a long NBA career, but
one summer when I was in college, you were allowed
to go work out with NBA teams if you paid

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your own way to and from. So I worked out
with the Portland Trailblazers and they brought him in. They
needed a backup point guard, and they brought in a
bunch of like four point guards or three have four
point guards and me, and it was like three days
of training of you know, workouts and then play workouts
and then play. And I remember we got to the

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third day and do you guys know what ladders are?
When you read ladders, ladders are you put half the
group at one end and half the group of the other.
First group goes one down and back and as soon
as they get down, the other group runs with them
and you go one, three, five, seven, nine to kill.
Tell you stop, you're doing odd numbers. So then then

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on the next to last line that they touched, the
next group goes. So you get as much time to
rest as the other team does to run, and vice versa.
So we start doing ladders and we've been playing for
three days and work we're like up to thirteen up
to fifteen guys are huffing and puffing, and eventually Jeff
mckinnis is like, f that and walks out. So one

(29:49):
of the front office guys who had invited me to
work out at the end of it, he kind of
gave me a review, like wrote down a bunch of
notes and it's like, hey, here's what we liked about you.
Here is what we didn't like, here's work on, etcetera, etcetera.
And I said, he's like, who is the best player
you played against? And I said mcinness was really he

(30:09):
was really good. He's long, smart, athletic, he was good.
And there were other good point guards. But I was like,
McGinness was really good. I was like, what was that
about with him walking off? He said, that's why we
did it. We did it because in order for Jeff
McGinnis to be our backup point guard. At the time,
I think they had Damon Stodemeyer's their starting point guards
back when they were the jail Blazers. They Rashid Wallace

(30:32):
and Jamaine O'Neil had and not played yet and he
was a stud at this camp anyway. Um, He's like, look,
in order for him to be the backup, he's going
to have to put up with stuff like the backup
is not a backup point guard is not a glamorous position.
You have to press the whole game, super physical, less minutes,
less shots, very competitive, and we wanted to see if

(30:56):
he would do the running. We did the running. There
was fifty guys in the gym. We did it for
one guy and he basically failed the test us why
we didn't sign him. So my, there's a bunch of
different parts to the hard knocks, which we can talk about.
But I think the Ronald Ali thing shows you why
he was last chance You shows you like there are
guys that they think they want to be NFL players

(31:18):
and probably if they got out there in a game,
they'd be fine. You know, everyone says, I want to
do the right thing. I want to be a pro
Carmelo Anthony, Oh yeah, I could. I could accept a
role that is different than the role I've always had. Okay,
can you accept being a tenth guy, not being in
a rotation? Some nights we use you some nights you

(31:40):
don't that you have to cheer, Get up out of
your seat and cheer every night for those other guys.
You gotta come on the first bus and get your
workout in before the game so that you're ready in
case tonight we need to use you for thirty minutes.
You know, are you willing to mentor the young guys?
Are you willing to move the basketball? Like everyone said?
Is this is the backup quarterback thing? Why Kaepernick could

(32:02):
never be a backup quarterback? He was never about when
he went to Seattle, he told them he wants to
be a starter. Everybody wants to be a starter. But
if you're the backup and Russell Wilson's there, your job
is to get him ready every week, period stop. End
of story. And Ronaldali says he wants to be a pro.
And now you know he's not speaking of Kaepernick. Is

(32:25):
Colin Kaepernick finally moved on from playing professional football? By
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(32:50):
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They got a big win, they got the first win
last night. Uh, who they trade for? What's name is

(33:15):
Zach Grinky? Even though he gave up five runs, showing
kind of what they got this year. The today they
put up ten runs, up ten too. It's a pretty
good feeling in your picture and your your hitters put
up ten runs. Let's get to a game bag. This
is game time Tide on the Doug gott Leave show.

(33:39):
Damn by what he got, Doug. Today, we have got
real news. One additional note to Zach Ranky start last night.
Of course, now back in the American League and he
doesn't have to bat, and because the Astros were scoring
tons of runs, you think that'd be great news for
a picture, He said, things got kind of boring waiting

(34:00):
around while the Astros were running around the bases. I
do like I like Zach Grinky because if nothing else,
he's completely honest. Yeah, yep, he's completely He was the
guy who's like, hey, look I don't really want to
leave l A, but somebody pays me two humillion dollars,
I'm gonna go. Guess what Arizona did? You know? Some
of it's the personality disorder that he has, uh, but
some of it is just he's an honest salesman, and

(34:21):
I dig it. He's like, yeah, kind of boring. Yeah,
anything but boring. For Julie Gurriel, seven RBIs in today's
game against the Rockies. He is your second half m
v P so far, all right, let's get to it.
At least in the National American League. In the um
the second half, Gurriel has been magnificent. Trust me, I

(34:42):
have George Springer on my fantasy team, and every time
I look at the Astros box score, Gurriell has done something.
He's been magnificent for him. I mean, they've got a
lot of guys to spring. A craze is healthy. L
two Bay now hitting real news or fake news. Freege
quarterback Colin Kaperti tweeted that is playing days are now
behind him. It sounds like fake news. Yeah. He tweeted

(35:02):
a video showing that he has been a quote denied
work in quote for eight hundred and eighty nine days,
and also included footage of him working out with the
tweet also standing five a five days a week for
three years. Still ready end tweet, end tweet end tweet.
Uh yeah, I mean I don't know. I don't know

(35:24):
why he's not in a camp. I don't know why
there's some sort of disconnect there. Remember, he took the
money on a settlement with with the league just to
not sue them. The money was far less than was
apparently previously reported by Mike Freeman. Um I thought when
he took that money that he signed his you know,
basically his death warrant, that will never be in the end.

(35:46):
You you you sue and on some level win off
the NFL. They're not going to hire you. But I
I've always thought like if he walked in and said like, hey,
I'll play for the minimum, I just want to make
the team, there's somebody that will try and win the
pr war and hire him. Obviously it's not gonna take place,
but I think some of it is he doesn't want
to be a backup real news, your fake news, Doug.
The Chargers are allowing their fans to develop their own

(36:08):
Madden ratings by working out doing combined drills at the
team's training camp. They won't earn Madden ratings. That's a
that's a uh fake news Madden like event going where
we were yesterday. Yeah, later this week they'll invite the
fans out to run the forty do some of the

(36:29):
drills that you would have at the UH at the
NFL Combine and see how you could develop your own
Madden rating. Quarterback toss, broad jump, vertical jump, all available. Yeah,
to get your own rating. Coming up on Friday morning.
Trout has ten home runs and games. By the way,
since Gary El's got the most RBIs in the second

(36:52):
half of the scene, RBI is how many guys you
have on base? I know, but he's He's got seven
RBIs today. He's amazing. This is g NBC for the
second half of the season. What's that You gave him
the m v P for the second half of the season. Well,
there's also two months left. Just saying basically for the
since the All Star Game, and what he's done lately
has been it's been really really good. He's it's been

(37:14):
really good. Yeah, I'm not taking away from minute. What
ends up happening, Doug is everybody focuses on L two
Bay and Springer and Verlander and Garrett Cole and Zach
Grinky and Julie gury L could be the guy that
is having the best of the STRO season. That was
my only point. Got it so real? Thaws are fake news.
Alabama will actually face an SEC opponent the week before

(37:35):
the Iron Bowl next season. Sounds like real news, they're real,
and the spectat that is the case. They will be
facing Texas A and M as schedule was released earlier today.
The schedule includes a date with Georgia. Yes, an SEC
East against an SEC West. Uh. They'll meet up in
in that scheduling early September for that game, But the

(37:58):
week before the Texas A and M game, they'll face
you T Martin. Alabama will so they'll have you T Martin,
then Texas A and M, and then the Iron Bowl
against it. Auburn got it. Finally, Doug Baseball's longest winning
streak resides in New York. Is that real news are
fake news, they're real and actually with the Yankees, they've
won seven in a row. Matt's got their sixth straight

(38:20):
win today by beating Marlin seven to two. That's game time.
This is game time. On the Dug Gotleap Show post
All Star Break, Urieol has eight home runs. He's hit
nearly Uh, he's o BPS three. It's up, but it's
not trout numbers. Stress. Zeke Eellett needs to realize the

(38:42):
thing he fears most has already happened, and holding out
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(39:03):
great day. Kevin Someone head coach Airs and the Cats
gonna join us some fifteen minutes talk some college football.
We'll talk about his view of the Pack twelve after
spending years in the SEC. Previously that he was in
he was at Houston. Previous to that, he was in
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(39:25):
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(39:47):
don't know how many of you have owned a house
in a market that spikes and sinks, but I've I've
Cowherd has done unbelievably well in real estate. Now it
does take need to make money. But for the most part,
with the exception of when we both lived in Connecticut,
in northern Connecticut, he's done really well. That's a tough

(40:10):
area to sell houses, tough area to make money and
houses unless you buy like a complete dump foreclosure and
do it yourself, then then you could make money. But
it's a it's a hard area to sell houses. Um
but Toward has done really well with this and we've
done okay, okay. And what your fear is always is

(40:36):
did I buy at the peak of the market. Now
the truth is about most real estate there is kind
of no peak. It's gonna keep going up. And mean,
this trade war that we're in with China ultimately will
inflate our currency and will cause some inflation, which isn't

(40:57):
a terrible thing. Like again, if you own a house
and say you bought a house for five dollars, right,
you bought a house and five dollars and you know,
now there's a new development down the street, and you're like, man,
that new development is gonna be you know, around five.

(41:17):
The longer we go and the more we have inflation,
and it costs money to import things, and that gets
because of terrorists, tariffs, it's it's gonna cost a lot
more money to do business. If you cut down on
legal immigration, it's gonna cost a lot more money to
build houses. And this is good news in some ways

(41:38):
for homeowners, right because in order to buy a new house,
it will cost more money, so your old resale house
won't cost as much money. By making sense here, so
there's there's different markets. But we have been on a
meteoric rise. The Great Recession of the Century was a

(41:59):
level in years ago. Usually every seven or eight years
there's at least a correction at least and and most
times a recession. And we're starting to see margins shrink.
We're starting to see growth shrink. We're starting to see
housing prices in markets like the one I live in flatten.

(42:26):
And what happens when housing prices flatten is you know
your neighbor says, hey, listen, that guy down the street
started summer sold his house. He bought it for five
he sold it for seven fifty. So you want to
put your house on the market and say, my house
is nicer, I have a bigger pool, I have more

(42:47):
square footage. I bought it for the same price. But
we redid. It's a little bit night on on this
mind for seven. So a realtor comes in and says,
you know, listen, I don't know how to tell you this,
but inst that one down the streets sold for seven fifty.
There's been two others that are about to close that
went for like six. The market's kind of flattened, and

(43:10):
frankly it's even dipped a little bit harder. Price per
square foot is down, Like, well, that's impossible, I'm using
this comp No, the comps are all of the top salaries,
all of the top um all of you know, you
take five comps from your neighborhood when you're getting your house,
your housing evaluation set. Steve and Jones essentially said the

(43:36):
same thing about running backs, just talking about Zeke Elliott,
and what has always been the case in professional sports
is you take whatever the top earner has made and
you add one dollar to it, right, and that's where
you start negotiating. Hey, I'm Zeke Elliott. I'm better than
Todd Gurley. I'm younger than Todd Gurley, but I'm one
year removed from when Todd Gurley got his contract. I

(43:59):
want to start, well, start a negotiations at Todd Gurley
and work up. Here's Stephen Jones said, I still think
that's within realm. At the same time, I think the
market reach out with Levian, you know. I think you
see what happens with Gurley, how tenuous it is, and
then you get a great player to like Levian who's
every bit as well thought of as as Girly, and

(44:20):
he had unfettered free agency, had thirty two teams with
no draft picks attached, and the market was thirteen point
five less than Gurley. So at the end of the day,
business changes. And uh, we certainly pay attention to that
as well. This is just the reality of it. That's
a great think of what he's these are. This is
all real discussion how a real transaction occurs in the NFL.

(44:44):
You got the Todd Gurley one, I hear you. That
was a year ago. Since that one, Todd Gurley of
course didn't finish years strong. They picked up C. J.
Anderson off the street and he became a dynamic back
for them. That heard Levian Bell, he pointed out, Look,
Levian Bell is a free agent, Zekiel, It's not a
free Levan Bell could have signed with any team he wanted,

(45:04):
and that there's no compensatory picks none, free, free to
go where he wants, and the team that he picks
signs him for million dollars a year. And oh yeah,
by the way, even that deal didn't sit well with
a new head coach and the general manager was summarily fired.
All right, this is I'm using a comp from a
year ago. Hey, down the street, that house sold for

(45:24):
seven seven, seven fifty, and you know prices go up
for to seven percent a year, at four to seven
percent to seven fifty, or at four to seven percent
from my value last year, and we should sell my
house for five. And the realtor comes in and comes
comms and says, company says, let's listen, that's not how
this business works. You don't just take the top comp

(45:46):
since then to have sold below seven, they had more
square footage, same pool, you have better side of the street,
same school district. The market has corrected itself. This is
where people talk about football being a business. It is
players being a commodity. They are. And while I would

(46:10):
I would make the argument and be a sound one
that Ezeki Elliott is a much better all around back
than Todd Gurley because girl's got that Gimpei knee. But
Todd Gurley has no off the field issues. Zeke Elliott has.
Zeke Elliott, Zeke Elliott was this close to getting another
multi game suspension, like he's been a problem now. He's

(46:32):
trific football player and their offense is built around him,
so he does have some leverage in that. Hey, in
order for us to be the best version of ourselves,
I need to be involved in the offense. He wrong,
But Steven Jones is saying, listen, we value you, but
you're worth what somebody's willing to pay you. Zeke. Zeke

(46:54):
is worried that the market would correct itself. He wants
to get it done earlier rather than later. And here's
the problem. The market already corrected itself. That Levan Bell
actually got a flyer. He he got what's called an
angel offer. That's what they call in real estate. Oh,
you got an angel offer. Somebody came in and just

(47:16):
gave you way more than anybody else's willing to pay,
and he took it. He's lucky. It hasn't correct itself
even more, and it probably will, you know, from Christian
McCaffrey and any of these other running backs. Don't be
surprised if the market continues to correct itself. Now, Zeke
maybe better than all of them, more of a three

(47:37):
down back and able to be able to block better
and catch better in the backfield, like all of these things,
and the offer more durable, and the offense is built
around him. Like all of these things are accurate. But
that's like trying to convince somebody that, no, listen, my
house is better, a better conditioning, a better windows at
better doors, and like, look, we basically go by price
per square foot, same neighborhood, price per square foot, a

(48:00):
little bit about where it is on the street, you know,
lots of lots size and price per square foot. That's
what we go by. That, That's that's what we go by.
Kevin Sumlin joins the show. Up coming next, Well, the
pac twelve returned to national prominence this year. And what

(48:20):
does he think about nine am kickoffs and Tucson we'll
discuss next. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern three pm Pacific.
Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. When my show used
to be televised, it's pretty cool. One time I was on,
we had Kevin Sumlin on, and there's another head coach

(48:42):
that was like texting him during the show. Uh, we'll
go way back with Kevin Sumlin. A matter of fact,
he was an assistant at Oklahoma when I was first
starting in sports radio. It was a long, long time ago.
He since had an incredible run at Houston, had a
really good long run at Texas A and M, and
then of course now is the head coach of the
Arizona Wildcats. Which you don't know about Arizona football is

(49:04):
of course Dick Tomy. Going back in the nineties they
had the Desert Swarm defense, but they've they've always been
behind in terms of facilities. I ta get the sixteen
million dollar indoor training facility I believe opened last year
and part of Arizona Stadium has been renovated. And look
they're they're trying to compete atop the pack twelve. That's

(49:26):
that's not easy when you have sc when you have
Oregon who was all in on facilities. Obviously, Wazoo has
done amazing job Arizona State, but it's a job where
if you can get if you can get the best
kids from Phoenix, if you can get into San Diego,
into in the l A, into Las Vegas. You can
absolutely win there in game, recruit Texas as well. Who

(49:47):
knows that better than Kevin Someone, Arizona's head football coach,
Kevin How are you doing great? How are you doing good? Man? Um?
All right? So what were youre at when you when
you took the job? Right? And I was wondering, does
he take a year off? Does he reset? Does he
do television? He decided to take the Arizona job. What
were your thought when you took the job. What was

(50:07):
your perspective on what the Arizona job was gonna be? Like?
It's kind of interesting because I had been out here
and um, I mean a bunch of times, and I
had when Mike Stoops took the job, I was actually
with him in Arizona, I mean at Oklahoma was gonna come,
but then came out here and visited visited Rich, Rich
came to A and M and so I've been on

(50:28):
here a bunch of times. But our president, uh Dr
Robbins and Dave Hickey are athletic director, have a real vision.
It's a beautiful campus, it's a beautiful place. And as
I just caught the till into what you're saying. You know,
we're a six hour drive from from l A, from
San Diego, from Vegas. Uh, proximity um to Texas. So uh,

(50:53):
great location, beautiful campus, place to live and and uh,
you know, it's a place that has had success before
and there's no reason we can't have success again. Yeah. Listen,
I live in Orange County, which is like Arizona Central.
It's crazy, how many how many airs, how how many areas,
And it's a it's a it's a great school. I mean,
you can walk, you can be outside all year, you

(51:14):
can walk to the bars. Bars are all indoor outdoor,
like it's a there's a lot tougher college life even
in the Pact twelve than there are at Arizona. All Right.
So it's funny because I was in San Diego the
week weekend before we went to camp because we went
to camp early, and uh, it's up at Pacific Beach
and there's this Arizona flags up and down the beach

(51:35):
and it's like you said, it's it's Arizona West and
between Orange County and in San Diego, it's it's Uh,
there's a lot of people that have gone to school
here and have allegiance to to uh this university. Yeah,
and it's a legit college town, you know, whereas Arizona
State has like a hundred thousand students. But it's a
pro sports town as well, so it's a it's completely
different vibe. So you inherit. Khalil Tate and his freshman

(51:58):
year unbelievable year running the football a little bit different offense.
He seemed to struggle last year trying to show people
he could stay in the pocket and be a real quarterback.
What's what's the real like? Look, you know, football wait
at a much higher level than all of us. What
what really? Some people don't think so, but that's a
great compliment, Okay. I mean like, look, you're at Oklahoma,

(52:21):
at Perdue, You're at Houston, You're at A and M.
Your offenses were never have never been at at issue?
What what was? What's the real analysis of why Khalil
Tate wasn't better as as a sophomore. I think there's
a number of reasons that you know, and then he's
not gonna make excuses and I'm not gonna make excuses
for him. You know it. Uh A lot happened. You know,

(52:42):
all that happened. Really he played really six games is
that year and uh, um just uh was phenomenal in
those six or seven games. Um and and really had
a tough injury the second game last year against Houston,
and and uh was never really right and you know,

(53:04):
tried to play through it as a as a tough guy.
UH had so bad. You know, we we went to
u C. L. A And and he didn't even he
didn't even suit up but for U C. L. A And,
which was tough on him. He's he's going back home.
So you know, I think, you know, with all those things,
and and the thing that that really put him on

(53:27):
the scene, as his speed and his ability to run,
you know, with an ankle injury like he had, it
really limited him and it limited what we could do
with him. But he's healthy now. I think he learned
a lot from last year, uh, from just all the
hype and and then the injury and and really uh
with with everything that happened to him. You know, he

(53:48):
it's an experience that I think he'll tell you in
what he what he said at that back twelve media days.
You know, it's something that uh uh he had never experienced.
He'd never been hurt, He's never had to go through
anything like that, and it really brought him to a
place where he is right now where he appreciates everything.
It's made him work harder and he's having a good
fall camp. Um J J. Taylor's you're running back five.

(54:11):
When you were at old you did you guys have
Quentin Griffin there or that's before me? Yeah, we played
against him with out of the assistant that that at
A and M. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was pretty good.
But that's like who is who is he? He's a
lot like him and uh, you know it's it's amazing.
You know, we talked about, well what we were on offense,

(54:31):
we actually led the pack twelve and rushing last year.
Is this guy ran for fourteen hundred yards and uh
just a dynamic player and a heck of a kick
return guy too. So uh he's uh, he's he might
be little, but he's pretty good at what he does.
He's a little like like you. I hadn't heard that

(54:52):
name in a long time, that Q and and a
little uh Jones drew kind of kind of guy. So
but uh, but he's extremely effective, can catch the ball
out of the backfield, and and uh, you know, not
everybody can run for fourteen yards in the season. No, no,
you guys go to how are you playing Hawaii? But
you play, you play a week before everybody else plays.

(55:13):
How much like you know, coaches are creatures of habit
is this is this a good thing about? Like what
do you actually think about not just playing uh on
the road, but to start the season a week before
everybody else? Just let you know, we're on practice eleven tonight.
So we've been we've been at it for a while here.
So it's uh, we got you know, we got started early,

(55:33):
and uh, you know, to get out there. It's it's
gonna be good. But you know, we got a bye
week the next week, which is which is good for
us as as a team because we've got a bunch
of new players and uh, some young guys are gonna play,
some junior guys, junior college guys are gonna play, and
and uh for us to get started early this year
has been I think it's been great, you know, just

(55:56):
because you know, with the tough year last year and
really um for for me as a coach and and
for a lot of coaches that have been with me.
You know, not having postseason play was was tough. And
you know, the sooner we could get started back to
to practicing football and being with our team, uh, the better.

(56:17):
And Uh it's a little bit different season for us
this year. We've got three different by weeks. Last year,
I think we were one of only a couple of
teams that went ten straight weeks in a row playing
so uh right, I mean yeah, yeah, and and so
that made it tough. But but now, um, I think,
you know, after going through last year and and being

(56:38):
where everything that happened, Um, I think the season this
even with the schedule and the travel that we have,
and and and the teams that we're gonna play from
the North, Um, I think the schedule is favorable for us.
What about the Pack twelve is different from you know,
like the Southwest? I guess what I called what you

(57:00):
mostly coached? Right? What? What what is? So? I mean
and look, look obviously coached in the Southeast in the SEC,
but and m obviously being in college station. What in
terms of style, uh, players, Like, what what's different from
your perspective on the sidelines or the Big ten with
eleven o'clock games? We don't have any of those out here. Yeah.
I want to ask about games in a second, but

(57:20):
go ahead. Yeah, No, it's you know, you're you're it's
it's you're playing at night. Um. It's a little bit
different than than uh, you know, in the Big Ten
as assistant coach or even a player. You know, you
get up and play and and you're back home and
watching everybody else at four and I think you know,
in the in the SEC and and and some of

(57:40):
those places in Houston. Uh, you know, the primetime game
is two thirty, um, you know, and we're playing night
games here in the West, and so it's just a
little bit different. I like, I like the night games.
I don't know, it must be hard to sit around
all day, you know. For the for the fans, it's
it's great. I think, you know, you get the guys

(58:01):
get they get tuned up all day and and and
we got great students support here and and uh, you know,
but you sit around the hotel all day and and
you know, sometimes I used to worry about we get
guys out of the hotel room in the SEC because
I didn't want to watch game day and uh see

(58:22):
who the game was on? You know, this guy's gotta
do this, this guy's gotta do that. So we'd have
walkthroughs and things like that. But by the time we
eat breakfast and started meeting game days off and and
and there's a bunch of games on that here at
at the nine ten o'clock, So just a little bit
different pace meant more like personnel wise, right, Like, you know,

(58:45):
it seems like Big ten. And I know there's some
they've they've done a good job of recruiting a little
bit better athletes on the but it seems like, you know,
the lines, it's a little bit, a little bit more
old school football a little bit, you know, bigger has
kind of stirred your you know, line backs, whereas you
know Big twelve obviously wide open, great wide receivers, unbelievable quarterbacks, UM.

(59:05):
And then the sec that the defensive lines seem to
be just different and better. The the level of the
depth of athletes and the defensive side of the football
um to match the offense as well, it seems to
be better. I'm just wondering what the Pac twelve is like.
From a guy who's been around the country and coach
at the place, I would say this, I think the
speed is comparable to anybody you know. And and uh athleticism,

(59:29):
I think, uh, I think you're right about you know,
defensive fronts in the SEC. That's that's pretty obvious. Um.
But there's been some great quarterbacks in this league too. Um.
And and I think diversity and the offense gives you
a little bit different look, uh than than than maybe
some other other leagues. So um, you know when you

(59:49):
when you play uh and and that's not to say
anything about a bunch of teams, because you know, there's
there's teams with great I think there's great team speed
in in the Pac twelve. I think the d line
is I think everybody kind of just says, hey, look,
these these guys don't have those guys. But when you

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when you play in Washington, you play Utah, you play
uh USC, you play a bunch of these guys that
that that have big time d lineman and I think
you know, we had one drafted last year, and um,
we've got our share of good players. I think that uh,
you know a lot of people just don't get to
see them from from from the east because it's a

(01:00:32):
little bit later at night. But uh, um, I think
football is has been great and and you know being
at the other places, Uh that I was. We played
Arizona State, we played l a couple of times. We've
we've played all these teams and and uh and they
were all great games and and but yeah, athletically, Uh,

(01:00:53):
this league is gonna hold up with with any other league.
There isn't a country. Yeah, that was a great guyon
went Rosen. I think it was his first start, right,
you got beat you guys beat Rosen at in college station.
Uh that that was a pretty exciting one. Back in
and M last thing, what's what should be realistic? Like
how long does it? I mean people forget you really

(01:01:14):
were the guy that got to go in at Houston.
UM and obviously you know A and M is one
which many I mean Denn Francioni's hell of a coach.
He tried. I mean a lot of guys have not
lived up to their expectations. But Arizona is a place
where you gotta build it. I got a legit build
if you want to be successful for a long term.
How long does that legitimately take? Well, you know, it depends.

(01:01:37):
I think that we recruited well this year. I think Uh,
you know, I said down before game Lester and h
one commentator said, you know you you realize you're one
of the smallest teams in the country, and I just
kind of looked at him and tried to be positive.
But we've we've we've recruited well, I think, uh, anybody

(01:01:57):
who sees us right now practice, um that can can
see the difference in in personnel and that that takes
maybe a couple of years. But you know, I'm looking
forward this year. We've we've we've got uh some some
new guys that they're young experience wise, but uh, I
think that they're they're very very athletic and and you know,

(01:02:21):
balls get a bounce the right way. But I like
this group. I like how they're approaching it, and uh,
you know, you know me, it's it's uh, it's not
a uh in this business, you don't wait for five years.
You want to win now. And and the guys that
are here, the seniors and the guests who came to
school here to play in our fans and and uh

(01:02:44):
and everybody in Tucson wants to win down so do
I Yeah, well, you know I mean that following that
Rich Rod Rich Rod likes some small, small defensive guys
at three three five. That is a hard thing to
try and go and fix and replace them with that.
Of course, I know that's the part of the challenge
which you have in Tucson. Well listen, Kevin say, travel
is to Honolulu. If you're staying in y ki Ki,
I recommend to Everybody's High Steakhouse h y Post vs Steakhouse, Tablemaid,

(01:03:08):
Caesar Salad. The steaks are unbelievable. You don't take your
whole team, just take you your wife and your friends,
you know, and uh and and don't be afraid to
hop on a board while you're there. I mean, it
is Hawaii, and and bring and bring him win. Thanks
so much for joining us. All right, man, I appreciate
you having me. Ke Kevin summon Arizona head coach. I'm listening.
I get no money from my High Steakhouse. I just

(01:03:29):
I went there like four years in a row. And
it's and Roxy Bernstein, who's a play by play guy
at at ESPN and also for cal he recommend he
goes there with his family every year around Christmas time
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R to listen live. You know, I don't like I
don't like this as some shin that everybody has to
be like nodding in agreement and everybody like you can
be on the same page and not be on the
on the same sentence makes sense be the same page

(01:04:13):
and not being the same sentence. Here's an example. Aaron
Rodgers is very much his own man, right, and he
spoke out earlier in the year in the off season
about the challenges of a new offense where he doesn't
have complete freedom or do whatever he wants. There's basically
a play, and there's two options based upon the defenses right,

(01:04:37):
and there's some other options within the options, but generally
you come to the line of scrimmage, you read what
they're in and you know there's an automatic check. And
for Aaron Rodgers, he's always done it where that you
come up with a play, but like if you don't
like it, you just put in whatever you want. There's
an expression that I use often and it goes like this,
transition is everybody wants change, but transition is hard. Change

(01:05:01):
is good, Transition is hard, and they're in the process
of transition. Rogers has said as much. The offense has
not been balanced or looking for a number two wide receiver.
You know, sometimes it's smooth, sometimes it's not. Defense, by
the way, in Green Bay, looks like it should be
very very good if it stays healthy. But Aaron Rodgers

(01:05:22):
is buying into it, learning, trying, and eventually I'm sure
be fine. You know why, because he's awesome. Like we
can say, Aaron Rodgers had a bad year last year
when he had twenty five touchdowns and only two interceptions.
That's a bad year. That's a bad man. If that's
a bad year. But this idea that you have to

(01:05:43):
agree wholeheartedly with everything your head coach says, when, by
the way, the head coach hasn't coached a game in
his life, you don't do that. Aaron Rodgers on joint
practices at training camps. Did so with the Texans last
couple of days. I wouldn't mind that they didn't do
it for another fourteen years. Matt la Flora on joint
practices at training camps. Absolutely, I want to do this again,

(01:06:07):
see part of the Matt Lafleur thing. And I've talked
to a lot of coaches. We've talked to the coaches
at both the stops we've been to, and they're like, look, honestly,
it helps us watch other people coach their teams. You know.
The Charger staff was extremely complimentary. They'll have the They
already had the Rams come in and they had two
days with the Rams, once at their place, once at

(01:06:28):
the Rams places like tenants apart. Now they get the
Saints come in next week. Like, look, our coaches learned
things from the way the Saints do things. We play
defense against their offense. We watch how they put in,
what they do, the corrections that they make, and you
can always steal something, you can always learn something. It
gives us a better chance to evaluate against another opponent

(01:06:51):
instead of against ourselves. But Aaron Rodgers saying he doesn't
like joint practices and Matt la Flora say he loves,
he wants love, want to do it again, they're on
the same page. They're just on the same sentence. There
they go disagreeing again. Actually, most coaches want that. Most

(01:07:13):
coaches want that. They want they want somebody to come
in and tell them, you know, that there's another way
that might be as good or might be better. They
want to be challenged. We've got this point where you
have to say that you have to whatever the head
coach says, you have to agree with whatever the quarterbacks.

(01:07:34):
It's like, no, that's not really way it works. Nobody
wants to be surrounded by yes men, and if they do,
they're probably not the greatest leader in the world, probably
not the greatest leader at you know, and don't worder
about what they said. I'm like, look, Aaron Rodgers, just
say it in public. Mcguilson, No, just hit a ball

(01:07:58):
very far home run the year. The Twins are down
to their last out, but man, he crushed that baseball.
Just crushed the baseball. And by the way, the Twins
are about to set their franchise mark for most home
runs in one season. And they play outdoors now as
opposed indoors in the Homer Dome. And we're only in August.

(01:08:21):
We still have another more than a month left to
play in baseball. But look, my my thing about Aaron
Rodgers is like, there's a bunch of different ways to
look at things, and diversity of thought is not in
any way a bad thing. And while a player might
not like dual practices and a coach does, guess what
somewhere in the middle is where we meet. Don't worry

(01:08:44):
Aaron Rodgers doesn't play every snap against the Houston Texans,
definitely not live snaps against J. J. Watt, not putting
him in harm's way. So the coaches don't get to
see all their first team get all of their reps.
There's two football fields going, and the players don't play
all of those reps. And there's value in it? Is
it the end all be all? I mean? If anything,

(01:09:05):
The truth is this is the reason the preseason has
become less and less important and more arduous. They carry
a ninety man roster until the final cut day. There's
no cutdowns. It allows them to have a ton of
guys out there, get a lot of guys a rep,
get a lot of guys good look, a lot of
guys good look, and get really good work. You are
practicainst the same guys for four weeks straight. You want

(01:09:28):
to kill each other. Anybody who's ever been in sports knows.
You get to a point where there's a fight that
breaks out because you've been together too long, and that's
what this breaks up. But does it mean it's the
end all be all. Of course not, And I'm sure
from Roger's perspective, it's like, uh, I he I want
to do my work. I don't want to show everything

(01:09:50):
that we're gonna do. Houston Texans that all their coaches
have friends on different staffs. We don't want people to
know what we're doing at our practice. Become a creature
of Heaven, creature of hab um Man. That dude got
pulled out in the bottom of the ninth inning with

(01:10:11):
two outs, like, hey, Skip, we got a four run
in four run lead, let me finish this thing up. Nah,
give me the ball and take a shower. Kid Colin
Cowhard would take Dwayne Haskins over Kyler Murray. Give me
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Everybody wots running. Courartack n run run, run, run, run,
run run. Three of the last four quarterbacks last year
that we're finished the season where Golf can't run, Brady
can't run, Breeze can't run. And by the way, Mahomes
can run. But he's really a pocket passer. But just
to show you about all these, I love my quarterback
to run. Cam Newton is six six to fifty five.
I stood next to Cam Newton on a stage in
New York seven eight years ago. He is a massive athlete.

(01:11:20):
The point being that Cam Newton got hit in Week
ten by an athlete smaller than him, and according to
a story this morning, he's still hurt. Kyler Murray is
five ten two oh four. Lamar Jackson six three two eleven.
Cam Newton waste fifty pounds more, took a hit from

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a young linebacker just out of college who's smaller than
him and is still hurt. That tells me Dwayne Haskins
is the future, not Kyler Murray. Murray may be way
more interesting, but Dwayne Haskins is a six ft five,
two thirty two pound man, actually kid developing into a man.
I'm gonna go with that. I like the idea of

(01:12:03):
Dwayne Haskins. Now there are some things that he doesn't
do well. Um he has. They both have the overbearing
fathers which are involved. Kyler's dad was a quarterback and
UM and Dwayne Haskins's dad is like his number one
fan and spokesperson. Occasionally rubs some people the wrong way,
so that's kind of a wash. I think Kyler Kyler's

(01:12:23):
issue is size as much as athleticism. Can he stay
in the pocket, but he has a great arm, and
the way the offense is designed to work, he should
get rid of the football quite quickly. I agree with
Colin in terms of running quarterbacks. I think Kyler Murray
is a little bit of an exception um because even
though he will run it, he's got great athletics in

(01:12:43):
within the pocket, and Dwayne Haskins has terrible feet within
the pocket, really bad. And the question is can Dwayne
Haskins process as fast as you need to process like
Kyler Murray does right, Daniel Jeremiah does it for a
living scene tape. Thinks they're gonna score some points, They're
gonna light up some scoreboards, They're gonna have some fun.

(01:13:04):
Does he last a long time? I don't know, because
he's Collins right, one hit and two oh four and
that's what he's listed at. Two oh four. Probably ends
up being one nineties six during the season. That doesn't
withstand the power and punishment when he does get hit.
I don't think either is uh uh, you know, either's

(01:13:25):
the next coming, But I would I would still say
that there's a reason so many these NFL guys have
believed Kyler Murray, despite his lack of size and lack
of girth, has a much stronger likelihood and he's found
the offense that fits his style. That's a big part
of it, then, Dwayne Haskins, so much of it is

(01:13:45):
about fit than it is about how good you actually are.
Fit is super super important. You guys saw the Hard
Knocks yesterday? How cute was that with Antonio Brown's kids.
Where's Wrath Brek the Derek Gurger Like, no Derek carrs
our quarterback? But where's Ben rasselas Burger Gerger. No, Derek

(01:14:08):
Derek carrs our quarterback? Where's Derek Carr right? Like right there? Oh,
like the idea they don't even know that he played
who he plays with, and like that's so uncomfortable. You
think they know. There's some cute kids he's got around
the football field. Those those definitely sell it for hard knocks, definitely, Yes.

(01:14:30):
Rhyme music. So if you're Gruden, are you over the
Antonio Brown feet thing? Because that was sort of one
of the things in the episode last night was they're
sort of a little bit behind like the start of
training camp, which for us had happened a few weeks ago,
and they sort of talked about like, oh, he's got
a foot thing, you know, whereas now we've seen he's
done the thing on Instagram, we've heard about the cryo chamber.

(01:14:50):
Do you think this is something that clearly you're frustrated
with as a coach, but eventually you'll get over it,
or is it like, after everything you've heard about this player,
you are hoping that when you traded for him and
gave him what he was looking for, he'd be different
or he wouldn't be an issue. But you're already having
to deal with it before he's even actually played a
real snap. Yeah, I'm sure you're pissed, right, you gotta

(01:15:11):
be pissed, and you're just in there going like, man,
are you kidding me? But let's see what he looks
like when he comes back. You know, if he comes
back and his first one in the last one out
of the building, great attitude, great worker, it can all
be forgotten. But yeah, I think this is the worst
of all possible scenarios. You have arguably the best at

(01:15:33):
his position. Derek carr is trying to save his job,
needs to have great timing with his top threat, and
he's not even on the field because of something self
inflicted and very very much preventable. Of course, you're frustrated.
Astro is up fourteen to two right now, which means
we're waiting on a position player to pitch at some
point for the Rockies. Right at some point I'm going

(01:15:55):
to the eighth inning. He might not not see one,
but fourteen to two, who Astros can score some runs.
Lebron James and Rich Paul are like New York City,
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Have you guys ever seen the movie The Paper? Michael Keaton,
Michael Keaton, Merissa Tommay, Um, pretty good, pretty good cast.
Really it's an older movie. It is not it is
not new. I'm gonna say, like, what what do you think?

(01:17:02):
Ryan ninety three? Maybe eight nine? Like Michael keep Morris,
this is like prime Mercy Tomay nine four Um. Anyway.
In it, Michael Keaton plays the editor of one of

(01:17:22):
the lesser known newspapers in New York and he's interviewed
for a job at the New York Times, who speaks
to everybody like this, And while interviewing, he steals a
story off the desk of their head editor, and when
the Times calls him and asks if that's what he did.

(01:17:43):
He said, Ultimately, yes, he gave it up. He says, congratulations,
you just lost your chance to cover the world. He said,
guess what. I don't live in the world. I live
in New York City, Which is how many New Yorkers
think of themselves, right, Like if you had a New
Yorker draw the United States, like the island of Manhattan

(01:18:06):
is just a tiny speck, but to a New Yorker
it is a huge is a huge space, full of life,
full of energy. Hey, we do that as a country.
Have you ever seen our map and then the map
from like have you ever been in maps Australia, Like
when we do the map of Australia from an Australian perspective,

(01:18:28):
they're on top or on the bottom, because technically they're
not wrong, right, I Mean, we're a sphere traveling in
outer space. We're rotating around the Sun, but technically we're
not wrong. Who says North has to be the top?
Why can't South be the top? Of North be the bottom? Right?

(01:18:50):
Summer is now or is it? So? New Yorkers have
a little bit of this. We United States have at
a bit of this, and Lebron James has a lot
of it, and it's not all his fault. It's this
idea of narcissism. And I think Lebron actually has MPD,

(01:19:14):
which is narcissistic personality disorder. So tell me if these
tell me this sounds like Lebron grandiosity with expectations superior
treatment from other people. Do you remember the story, um?
Phil Jackson told the story about one of the things

(01:19:35):
the Miami Heat struggled with was that when Lebron James
liked to travel, when when when Lebron James like to
travel with the team, he wanted seats for his own guys,
his agent, his boys on the plane and they said
absolutely not. Whereas in Cleveland that was something you hadn't
relent to the only thing Paople paid attention to in

(01:19:56):
that story was Phil Jackson calling the group of Lebron
James friends his posse instead of actually what he was saying,
which is Lebron wanted to get out of Miami because
they held him accountable and they wouldn't give into this
idea of special treatment, grandiosity with expectation of superior treatment,

(01:20:17):
fixations on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness. I think
Lebron James is smart, doesn't always use the right syntax
in his sentences. It is a bright dude, um. But
he calls himself the king, and he has TV a

(01:20:38):
TV show which is barbershop conversation where everyone essentially listens
to him and agrees with his rant, which is the
opposite of real barbershop conversation. They don't have like random
white person who's there too, only equivocate in the affirmative
to whatever they're discussing. Tattoo across the shoulders, what to say,

(01:21:01):
chosen one. Fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, self, perception
of being unique, right being unique? Lebron James and his
crew believe that he is the one who's brought player movement,
player mobility to the NBA. Really huh well uh. Kobe

(01:21:28):
asked to be traded, floorted with the Clippers, but chose
not to move. Magic obviously never moved, Larry Bird didn't move,
Michael Jordan didn't move. But Shaquille O'Neil did, Crime Abdul
Jabbart did, Kevin Garnett did, Ray Allen did, Jason Kidd,

(01:21:50):
Steve Nash And when you go on, Marie Stottmyer. We
can go on and on about plenty of guys who
left places, and even in terms of forcing your way out,
that wasn't what Lebron did. He was a free agent
and he signed an offer sheet with another team. Like
Boston had a Big three that was not organically grown

(01:22:11):
before the Big three in Miami. None of these are
original ideas. It doesn't mean the ideas that he's had
haven't been better. And and one thing we've learned from
Carmelo Anthony is that in many ways, what was supposed
to happen in Miami was Mellow was supposed to play
with those guys because they were all best friends. Remember
that a sense of entitlement to treatment and and to

(01:22:39):
obedience to others exploitations too of others to achieve personal gain.
That's what he does when he plays basketball. He wants
to be the guy who sets up the teammate to
hit the game winning shot so that that guy says thanks, Lebron.

(01:22:59):
So I look at Lebron James and his reaction to
this new n c A rule which says, hey, you
gotta have college degree, you gotta be a legit NBA
p a certified agent for a couple of years, and
you gotta meet with the n c A so you
know the rules and by laws. Lebron James saying that's
a Rich Paul rule is the epitome of narcissism. It

(01:23:22):
ain't just about you, dude, a guy who represents one
or two players in a sixty player draft with you know,
a hundred and thirty kids to declare for the draft.
It ain't about one guy. There's ways to navigate even
around that rule. For Rich Paul, who does not have
a college degree, you have somebody else, some other representatives,

(01:23:43):
somebody who does some he works with the what are
the UTC who bought them u T A, u TC,
someone of one of the big agencies bought his bought
his book. They can have somebody else go and represent
Rich Paul's interest, knowing that Rich Paul eventually will be
pulling the string u T A, United Talent Agency Unite whatever. Anyway,

(01:24:07):
the point is pretty simple that this is about protecting
players from uncle's ants, grandpa's second cousins. Runners. Hey, you
guys street guys, And while you can't you know, you

(01:24:29):
can't say, well, we know what a street guy looks like,
we know what an unqualified agent looks like, and maybe
they could have left it at if you're not approved
by the NBA p A. But somebody that wants education
to be important to sitting there going you gotta have
a bachelor's degree. And that's not a crazy ask, Nor
is it crazy to say that Rich Paul should have
a bachelor's degree. If he's going to represent players, he

(01:24:51):
should have a law law degree. He should be able
to look at a legal document that his his player
is going to sign and understand exactly all the ramp
vacations of it. It doesn't mean that he's not a
good agent, but the process of becoming an agent is

(01:25:12):
more stable when a guy has a degree, when a
guy has done things the right way, and a guy
has found a way two educate himself as best he
can be a member of the NBA p A so
that when you walk in and you meet with a
college student athlete and you go, hey, I'm here in
mid first round, you actually know what the hell you're

(01:25:33):
talking about. Because kids will listen to anybody even if
they they're not gonna check your birth certificate, they're not
gonna check your degree. They're not gonna check your NBA
p A status, none of that. They don't know if
they assume you know the rules and they don't care
about them, and they may be warned. But now you
know the rules, so there's not the I didn't know it.

(01:25:55):
Now you know what you have to accomplish if you
want to be an agent, if you want to talk
to college kids. It also eliminates the runners from what
they a lot of agents do is they'll hire guys
that are on campus, that are studying. They want to
be an agent, to be kind of the bird dog.
This cuts that out. So there's a logic behind where
it is, and the bar is not very high. And

(01:26:16):
the idea that that Lebron James thinks it's only about
him is the epitome of narcissism. All right, Coming up next,
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You know it's it's gonna be fascinating to see what
happens with the with this Cowboys deal right where you
know it's and now it's a game of chicken and

(01:27:00):
um the Cowboys if they want to have all the
leverage in the world, all of these players are under contract,
All these players are in a contract, and you can
simply put that money in front of like even Dak Prescott,
the idea that he would have to be paid thirty
million dollars or top five in the league, Like why
do you simply a for Doc in the twenties go like, hey, dude,

(01:27:24):
you're making a mill or two million year, we're gonna
pay you ten times that fifteen times that you're gonna
turn that down guaranteed for two or three years. Of
course you're not. Of course you're not. What are his options?
Wait until next year and then he can be wait
till the offseason, then he can be franchise tagged, be

(01:27:44):
franchise tagged again. Like I don't I don't understand the
Cowboys wanted to overpay Doc. But if they do take
that Dealmari Cooper, same thing. Like he's had some up
and down years. Man, not last ye year before he's
he's with Oakland, they were he was bad, bad case

(01:28:06):
of the drops. So the Cowboys are one of these
teams that they have leverage, have a good team and
their desire to win. It's almost as if they think
they can't win if they don't have everybody, which might
actually be true, but also that would speak to how

(01:28:26):
good Doc actually is. But it's also possible that if
you have just a little bit of confidence themselves, knowing
ultimately those guys. This is what it's funny what owners
will do. Like the reason that the owners won last
time during the CBA negotiations was they knew they could
bleed out the players. Well we're billionaires, they're millionaires with
thousand years, and the players blinked. They don't have that

(01:28:52):
same stomach really for negotiations within their team. It's fascinating. Uh,
there's new book out. It's a good one called Never
Settle Um Sports, Family and the American Soul. Marty Smith,
who of course as an ESPN reporter and course bonded
for College Game Day, joins us talking about his new book.
Marty how are you brother, I'm awesome. It's great to

(01:29:14):
hear you. Um, I appreciate you having me. Okay, how
how old is the beard? Because I went through thumb
through the book some and it looks inspiring. It talks
about many of the things in your life and and
some of the interviews in which you've conducted. But I
didn't realize that the beard is not very old. How
how long ago did you go? You went scruff first
and then you went beard? What's the progression I did?

(01:29:37):
And it's been quite a progression. It's I would say
the evolution is somewhere in the four to five year
range in the making. I did start with the with
the scruff because Laney felt like she liked the scruff
on my face. And then I just became a Neanderthal
and let that thing go. But you get to a
certain point where if you have that thing go one

(01:30:00):
on in high definition, you start to look like one
of those Duck dynasty brothers and you gotta tame that
thing down. So I keep it somewhere in the twin
or stage. At this point, it's probably a four or
five year process. Um. And then of course you have
the hair to go with it like like you're a
married guy. You're you're you're not in your twenties, but

(01:30:21):
you sell to the younger crowd because you look like millennial.
Like I'm if you weren't in the South, I would
guess you'd wear really tight pants, you know that that
don't come down all the way, that don't come down
all the way to the ankles, right, and then you
wear some sort of high top boot or sneakers, a
tight colorful socks. Uh, you know, a bunch of different
kind of bracelets. Like you kind of got up top.

(01:30:42):
You kind of got the perfect millennial. You could be
a very good barista. Um hipster, Am I am? I
I think you are. I think that's the look that
you've cornered. You're cornered the redneck hipster hipster market. How
what was your first first gig? First gig was? What
my first gig was? I was a sports reporter at
the Lynchburg News in Advance in Lynchburg, Virginia. It was

(01:31:07):
a daily, which was a huge score for a kid
out of college. It paid me extremely lucratively. I made
about twelve eight that first year, and I covered NASCAR
racing and I covered Liberty University football at the time.
Their coach was Sam Ruetigliano. So I just sat there

(01:31:27):
and I didn't say a word, and I listened to
him just tell stories all day. He was really cool.
Cat from from from there? Where'd you go? I went
from there to work for NASCAR. I was one of
the writers for their corporate website, and then in two
thousand one, that site, the rights to NASCAR dot Com,

(01:31:48):
got bought by Turner Sports in Atlanta. So I went
to work for Turner Sports and I stayed there until
two thousand six when ESPN called and I get this
cold call from j. Ecko Bringer, who's a great mentor
to me still Aty s the end today, and he said, hey, man,
keep this under your hat. We're putting together our ancillary.
Our team for our ancillary programming is you wouldn't be

(01:32:11):
on the broadcast group, but you would report on a
show called NASCAR Now that we're devising, and then you
be on Sports Center. And I thought he called the
wrong dude. There's an amazing NBC broadcaster who's a friend
of mine named Marty Snyder. I said, sir, this is humbling.
You got the wrong guy, and I have Marty's number

(01:32:31):
if you want it, and man, everybody says your name,
just this is not a job off consider it. And
then ultimately later in the year they offered me a gig. Man.
First time I ever made real television, I was on
Sports Center and I didn't know any of the leading
guy didn't know what I was doing. You know, vot vote,
you don't know, Like there's no brother. No. I got

(01:32:53):
a funny story. So I walked into this trailer. Uh
it was the final race of the two thousand six
NASCAR season, and uh, they say to me, all right, Marty,
after the race, you're gonna interview Dellard Hart Jr. That's
kind of gonna be your job. Interviewed Dale Jr. And
then you're gonna wrap some sound on the on the
eleven o'clock Sports Center and make sure that you get
a couple of good nuggets. And I was like a

(01:33:15):
deer in the headlights. And they get done with this,
this diet tribe, and they said, do you have any questions?
I said, what's wrapped? Sound? Mean? I had no idea it? Oh, bro, Well,
I just I don't know. I wasn't really faking anything.
I was just doing my very best to not screw
it up, you know what I mean. And once I

(01:33:37):
was able to have some I feel like life is
context and repetition. And once I had enough red, life
is reps, you know that. And I had enough, I
kind of found that voice. When did you move to
college football? Two thousand fourteen, November. I come home from
the final race of the NASCAR season. Up until that day,
November fourteen, all I had covered for ESPN, and in

(01:34:01):
my whole professional life was auto racing. And so I
get home and uh, my wife puts our children in
the car, and I'm gonna be home for six weeks.
She really needs me. I mean, she's been on an
island for five months because I've been chasing these race
cars around the country. And I sit down and I
opened up my email and there's an email there from
Leaf Fitting, who now runs all of football at the ESPN.

(01:34:24):
He kind of is a guy. He was a real
spearhead on making college game Day game. It was a
good studio show, and he made it an institution that
is in many cases as important to the fabric of
college football today as the games themselves, no no, no
question about it. And so I opened this email and
it says, Hey, Marty, be fitting here. I want you

(01:34:44):
to start studying college football because I'm gonna make you
one of the reporters I am bed with one of
the universities that qualifies for the inaugural college football Playoff. Brother,
that thing may as well have been written in sanscript.
I couldn't believe what I was reading. I'm a college
football fanatic. I grew up going to Virginia take games
with my daddy, and I couldn't. I knew what it was.

(01:35:07):
I knew what that email was. That was a treasure
map if he was willing to give me that opportunity,
and I was willing to dig deep enough and and
follow where that map was taken me. I knew it
would lead to riches beyond my dreams. And I don't
mean financially, I mean experiences. And ultimately that's what's happened.

(01:35:28):
I've been so fortunate. Yeah, it's it's it's an amazing rise.
And you have I know, you're on radio show and
podcast as well as a TV show as well, and
you still get a chance to cover college football for
for for a college game day. Um, greatest NASCAR driver
you've ever seen. They'll learn hard. Not because he raced

(01:35:54):
like he was trying to put food on the table,
even when he was rich. He was so authentic to
what built the sport, and he wasn't concerned with any
of the UH, any of the minutia around it all.
He would not pander. He was there to wreck. He

(01:36:14):
would have wrecked his mama to win a race. And
there's something really beautiful in that he that, you know what,
what what makes sports great, Doug its conflict and when
there's a guy who's willing to push it to that line,
and then after he does that, throw his arm around
his competitor and make his competitor think that he was

(01:36:36):
the one that was wrong. He was just a masterful person.
And I always I feel so fortunate I actually had
the opportunity to covering before he passed away your favorite
college football UH stadium to work in L s U
Baton Rouge, Louisiana. It's a bunch of pirates, dude. Let

(01:36:59):
me tell you if on his story they win the
tailgate too. Last year I was in Baton Rouge to
cover Bama. L s U tides come into town. Everybody's
laddered up it's five fifty in the morning. I have
a six or two live shot on Sports Center, and
this old boy walks through the parking lot of Tiger Stadium,

(01:37:19):
walks right up to me, dressed like Darth Vader. He's
got a handle of Jack in one hand and a
megaphone and the other and he says, welcome to death Valley, Marty,
you want some Jack? I said, my god, I love
his player. But it's different at night than by day.
Right like night games, night games, especially especially Cranked. It's

(01:37:41):
just it's beautiful. It's so offending. Man. One of the
coolest parts about college football that separates college football from
everything else is that pageantry is the tradition, but it's
also the identity in so many of these towns in
the in the Southeast and throughout the country. They that

(01:38:01):
university and certainly that football teams is the identity of
the people. The cheer for them, and there's a like,
there's some crazy stuff goes on, but it's beautiful to
me that it's that authentic. There is there is a
parallel there between NASCAR and college football. And one of
the things that hurt NASCAR was when they expanded, they

(01:38:23):
got a little bit away from the core. Uh, they
were successful for a period of time. Now of course
it's still do. It still rates well on weekends in
the summer, but it's not. It doesn't have seemed seemingly
the same presence college football because Clemson Alabama have been
such kind of runaway freight train success because now they
have elite level quarterbacks to go with all the other
athletes that we're at this place where yeah, now there's

(01:38:44):
a playoff, but we still think it's Clemson and Alabama. Um,
I'm I'm just wondering if you see that parallel and
how college football can get back to being more of
a national sport. Well, the interesting part about it for
me is is that there's this narrative you know that
the attendance is down in college and it's not just
a narrative, it's accurate, Right, Some attendance is down. And

(01:39:06):
that's really perplexing to me because the atmosphere is so
I mean, it's it's this euphoric. Yeah, but you go
to the big you go to the big game, you
go to the game day games, there's all these you're right,
you're right, you're right. That's a very fair point. I
get to go to the best games every week, right,
Like you get you're you're, You're on everybody's Like if
you had a bucket list, Like, man, I just like

(01:39:27):
to be Marty Smith for a year and you do that, right, Like, Uh,
what if we just picked the best games and that's
what you did. It's amazing. It's true. I've been very fortunate.
That's a very good point, which I don't know that
I've ever considered. But I've covered a lot of Alabama
and a lot of clips in the past few years,
past five years or six years, I've covered those two
schools in terms of being a national broadcaster as much

(01:39:49):
or more than anybody has, and so I've kind of
seen the way that these coaches operate in completely different
ways towards the same the end, and it's not gonna stop, brother,
I fully expect both of them to be playing for
a national title again. Best place that you have yet
to travel to Camp Randall. I want to go to

(01:40:13):
Camp Randall badly. I hear such great things about Wisconsin
and and how lathered up those guys getting how passionate
they earned about the Badgers. I've not been there. I
also really want to go to Lincoln. I've never been
to Lincoln yet, so those are two places I really
want to go. You guys, your boys, aren't you? Me
and me and frost Um we traveled. We we are

(01:40:34):
definitely inextricably linked forever because I walked through the Grand
Canyon with him in one day and it was the
most taxing physical challenge I've ever had. I was completely
ill prepared. I showed up. Listen to this brother. I
covered the Preakness horse race. When that Wednesday through Sunday,
I got on a plane and flew that flew to Tuscaloosa.

(01:40:56):
I played in Coach Saban's golf tournament. On Monday. I
got on a plane in Birmingham. I flew to Phoenix
Sky Harbor Airport. My boys picked me up at midnight.
We drove four hours to the south rim of the
Grand Canyon. I had two bottles of Desani and I
started walking through the Grand Canyon at four How long
did it takes fourteen and a half hours? Uh? Now,

(01:41:20):
we saw some weird like mutant stuff, but I didn't
see any snakes. You know who really kicked me off
with the people coming down the mountain on donkeys. I'm like, man,
come on walk with us. And it wasn't it was
there were these signs done. We got about four miles
in and there were signs that warned dramatically, emphatically not

(01:41:41):
to do what we were trying. People die trying what
we did, and it was I will say it was
a spiritual time. I love what There's a guy named
Eric Kaptulik who is a Marine Force recon commander who
lost many of his brothers uh in a in a
helicopter crash, and he use these leadership principal classes and

(01:42:03):
that's what I was doing with Coach Frost. He and
Coach Frost are are close. And I love what he
said to us when we were a phantom ranch at
the bottom of the canyon near the Colorado River. He
looked at me, he said, Marty, and he pointed up.
He said, a lot of people see this, see the
Grand Cane from the top looking down. Very few have
the guts to see it from the bottom looking up.

(01:42:24):
And I was like ready to strap up and knock
some eye out. Dude. That's pretty pretty amazing stuff, can't
we see on college game day this year? The book
has never settled sports family. The American Soul by Marty Smith.
You can pick it up now, Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
wherever you get books. Look forward to seeing you on
the road. Marty. Keep up the great work and we
appreciate you join us. Thank you, brother, I appreciate your
passionate approach to what you do. That's a great day man,

(01:42:48):
you too, that's Marty Smith. Amazing rise to prominence. Where
when you hear his voice, you think of the hair,
you think of the beer, you think of the fact
that he also like, look, everybody has kind of a stick.
It's not just his look and his eye example, it's
also I've got a bit of positivity to it, right,
there's never and he's a reporter. He's not an analyst.
He's not an opinionist, so he doesn't have to give

(01:43:09):
any sort of negative opinion. But it works. Be sure
to catch live editions so the Doug Dot Leaps show
week days at noon Eastern three pm Pacific. You guys
seen this Adam Gaate story. This is an amazing one.
So um Adam gaze Um on October one, two thousand thirteen.
This is from Um who wrote this is from the

(01:43:31):
Athletic Every Tuesday When he was in Denver, Gaze would
meet with Peyton Manning at two o'clock, except this Tuesday,
his wife Jennifer was delivering their son Wyatt by cesarean section.
Gage told his wife to schedule the operation at ten am.
So this is his wife, Jennifer telling the story. They
pulled the baby out of me and said it's a boy.

(01:43:52):
Jennifer says. They didn't even put my organs back in
and sew me up before. He's like, you good? I said, yeah,
I'm good. He said, all right, then I'm out. They
said you want to cut the umbilical cord. He said no,
I'm good. At two o'clock, Manning was stunned to find
Gaze waiting for him in the meeting room. Manning's like,
you gotta be kid me. Didn't your wife just have
a baby two hours ago? Gay said yeah? But you

(01:44:13):
really think I was gonna let you win this one?
That's an amazing story. Gaza is not likely to prepare
a meal on his own. When Jennifer asked him recently,
uh left him home alone to dog sit for a day.
He texted her and asked him to order order him
lunch it or uber eats like literally can do nothing
other than love's ball. I love gas, I love case.

(01:44:40):
His His wife, by the way, is the uh daughter
of a football coach, so she she kind of gets it.
But he's a different cat though. Yeah, I would not
be surprised if you hopped on a red eye flight
to go college college basketball game after the birth of
one of your children. No, I worked at in uh

(01:45:01):
Hayes is born. You and Adam Gate two in the pod. Yeah,
I mean, listen, I waited they put her organs back in.
It was a super early in the morning deal. It
was the first day of the n c A Tournament
in two thousand nine, and I thought about naming him
Steph because I thought Steph Curry's team was going to
get in. They did not. But I mean, really, your
work is done again. You wait till the organs are

(01:45:22):
back in, You wait till she's and she's in recovery,
and you're like you checking on the baby, and you're good.
So I didn't. But after that, like there's kind of
nothing you can do. Were you sweating it at all?
Were you like no, no, no, no, it was it
was early I left about lunch or something, but I
left before my my daughters came in to meet their brother,
and then my wife called me. She was a message.

(01:45:43):
So was he like really early morning birth? Yeah? Usually
usually cesarian sections when they're planned, or early like seven am.
So you get up at like five, go to the hospital.
You know you're dying. You put in your clothes and
you just get in there. But the my wife had
um cesareans both times. First time was the twins, and

(01:46:05):
they came super early, so it was kind of scary,
and I remember looking that much. I just saw the
babies come out and they were healthy. They were almost
three seven, one was three nine. They were so pretty small,
and they were premies, so there was just a lot
going on. The second time, they took him out a
little early because her her internal scar um. They didn't
want to go into labor, but it was earlier than
we wanted. It was like thirty four weeks or thirty

(01:46:26):
five weeks or something. I think thirty four weeks. Anyway,
but I watched, I watched the entire operation. It was
pretty amazing. Was was this a discussion beforehand with like,
you know, a few weeks in advance, like, hey, honey,
it looks like you're supposed to have it on the
first day of the tournament. I'm probably gonna go to
work that night, or was it like up until the

(01:46:48):
stroke of midnight, you're going trying to figure it out still? No,
I mean I knew I was going to it was
I think initially was supposed to be either on the
weekend or early the next week. And what happened was
our doctor was going out of town and the first
time she had had a baby. The doctor we had

(01:47:10):
we'd only met with once or other doctor wasn't because
it wasn't planned right. It was literally the first Thursday
after the n c A tournament. I'd worked for like
a month straight. I came home, you know, and she
was put on modified bed rest for forty five minutes
because she hadn't been feeling well, and her water broke,
and like a day later we had not less than
a day later, we had the babies. So it wasn't
her doctor that performed the sincerean section, but we had

(01:47:32):
met the doctor once before and she was really good,
So we're like committed to like, all right, hey, look
this is our doctor, and barring some sort of unforeseen complication,
we want that to be our doctor. But like the
way it works is they have to have emergency room space.
I'm not an emergency room operating room space. And I
think we were supposed to go like the next Monday,
and maybe like on Tuesday, they probably called us and said, hey,

(01:47:56):
we're gonna have to go get this baby on Thursday
because otherwise we gotta wait till like next week, and
that's too close to we don't want your rupture. Um.
So yeah, so that's why. So it was sort of
it wasn't like how I lived the rest of my
life now where it's I'll let you know five minutes before, right,
so you you understand where I'm coming from by asking
these questions. Yes, I am not a planner. You were

(01:48:17):
forced to have to plan that out to a certain extent,
certain extent. I mean, like, look, it was, it was.
It was fine, worked out, worked out. An NFL receiver
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(01:48:40):
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(01:49:02):
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(01:49:22):
last week, and turns out maybe they know something we
do not. Seems to have a very Clippers effect to it.
Remember when we thought that the Clippers when they traded
Tobias Harris, we're just gonna mail it in. But they
trade away. That's traded four and weren't close to being
competitive when they trade four. Right, Sure, but the the
Clippers were teetering and we thought, oh okay, and they're like,
all right, let's let's go for it. Let's go, Let's go.

(01:49:44):
The Bears are gonna construct statues of George Allison Walter
Payton outside of Soldier Field Walter Payton. They haven't going
up and over right or or do they haven't like
palming a football because he had this huge hand. Yes,
I think the up and over is is. Yeah, you
can also to do is uh, but you kinda did
some high stepping as well, or maybe just running over

(01:50:04):
someone instead of going out of bounds. That could be
one Dolphin's wide receiver Kenny Stills criticized team owner Stephen
Ross for having a fundraiser for President Trump will also
running a nonprofit initiative to improve a race relations. Still's
essentially called Ross a hypocrite when making the post on
social media earlier this week. I don't understand why he's not.
I mean, like, you're allowed to be a supporter of

(01:50:27):
President United States Like I wouldn't do it wouldn't be
my jam. But I mean you can do good deeds
and support President United States. Like again, it's complicated. You
don't have to completely agree with the player's perspective and
you're raising money. Look, the Trump thing is really dicey,
really dicey. But remember um Trump is also a big

(01:50:52):
supporter of Israel. Stephen Ross is as well. He calls
Florida his second home. Like this is more than just hey,
I don't like Trump's Frederick. I would not do it.
I am not a supporter, but I also realized that
kind of the way it works is he's the president
and if you want to throw a shitt gig for him,
raise money for him, you're allowed to do so. Nothing illegal.

(01:51:13):
The NFL Pro Bowl will be held in Orlando, so
the fourth straight year will be in Orlando. A f
C against the NFC again. The l A Times reports
that the NFL, though could look to move the Pro
Bowl to possibly Los Angeles or Las Vegas in the future.
Doesn't look like Hawaii is going to be in the
mix much anymore. But yeah, it's too far as stadiums

(01:51:36):
is not great and you have these, you know, places
people want to go to. Vegas. Vegas seems like a
good one. I don't think it would draw well in
l A. No, and and I'm not sure how much
people are accepted about Orlando, but they're going there for
their fourth straight year. Then the nt double A Board
of Governors anounced that there will not be standardized injury
reports across college football this upcoming season. The was that

(01:52:00):
there was going to be, but now there won't be.
There won't be, No, there will not be, which will
really mess with people who play fantasy football in college
or yes, yes, that is, well not there's anything wrong, No, no,
but it is when you're trying to find that sleeper.
Trust me, play some college football fantasy and just not

(01:52:20):
readily available like it is for the NFL. Both Lebron
James and Kawhi Leonard are going to hold their own
mini camps with their new teammates in September prior to
the start of the preseason. According to the Athletic no
mini camps. I would assume like I think Kauai will
be in San Diego probably right. Um. I don't know
about about anybody else, but that's interesting. Would do a

(01:52:41):
mini camp before. None of them want to play on
Team USA, but they're they're okay doing their own mini camp.
Get everybody together, get on the same page, and then
start training camp. Tiger Woods mostly shut himself down on
the second hand holes of his pro am this morning
because of a stiff back. He is going to see
it up tomorrow in the Northern Trust, but just just
fifth tournament again since since his Master's win in April. Look,

(01:53:02):
I thought he gave a really good response today when
he was like, look, this is the way it works.
Sometime yesterday, I have it. Yesterday I was driving the
ball like crazy, and today I woke up stiff and
I don't have It's it's been my argument really all
along of why why it's tough to add another major
because you just don't know, you don't know what side
of the bed you're gonna wake up, you know, the
next morning. And it's something as simple as that that

(01:53:24):
could cause him to not win another major. So that's that,
and that's the press. Now get out there and pressed.
That was the press. Look, we we leave it with this.
I don't think the new rules which limit agents who
don't have a degree or aren't an agent for three
years haven't met with they can't represent kids that are

(01:53:46):
underclassmen in college basketball. Like that's those aren't crazy asks.
Let's not pretend like they are. But they're also not
rules put in specifically for one guy like d NZ
is dumb, but they're not stupid. But Lebron James thinking
it's always about him. He always about you, dude. It's

(01:54:06):
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