What Kawhi Leonard's contract actually means

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after the All Star Game, Aaron, many people are calling

(00:44):
it the worst sporting day in sports, and I listen ahead,
I'll say this. You and I worked Christmas Eve and
we got Raiders Broncos. That might be worse than just
having no sports. That's true. That that this especially where
those teams were. Philip Lindsay was hurt. I believe in
maybe in that game we're leading up to it. You

(01:06):
know it was Christmas Eve, That's correct, That was that
was that night. The NFL is like, how can we
get people to focus on football Christmas Eve? Rocco's Raiders
not so much. I would argue that with Wimbledon going on,
there are are sports going on, but I would say
that it's the worst sporting day because the SPS are on.
That's the reason why those things stink. And for the

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next three hours. If you hate that ord so as
much as I do, you're in luck because we're not
going to talk about it. Yeah, I was gonna say,
I I can't. I don't have a lot of vivid
like top SPS moments coming too coming to the tip
of my tongue right now. But yeah, I don't. I
don't really watch. So we we We've got you covered
with everything that is happening in the NBA, and a

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lot is happening, including with Kawai Leonard in the Los
Angeles Clippers. Finding out today that kaise contract with the
Clippers is a two plus one deal, a two year
deal with a player option for the third year. Now,
the three year deal would be worth one hundred and
three million dollars, but realistically Kauai is gonna make about

(02:11):
seventy million dollars over the two years, then likely opt
out for his super Max contract. And now, Aaron, when
you see the landscape of how this is all played out,
the Clippers have basically mortgaged their future for a two
year I don't want to call it a lottery ticket
because I think there are better odds with Paul George

(02:33):
and Kawhi Leonard, but a two year trial run to
see if this thing can actually work in Los Angeles. Yeah,
and I think from the flip side too, I think
the Clippers are on the same time timeline two of
can this work because even though the Clippers are the favorite,
and I get it, and there's reasons why, it's not

(02:54):
as though this this isn't to me Kevin Durant or
anything close. Frankly joining the Golden State Warriors. I mean,
Kauai and Paul George are both excellent players, but Kauai
has an injury history. Paul George really never had a
ton of success following those early years in Indiana as
far as a deep playoff runs. So I think too

(03:14):
to your point, I agree it works both ways, but yeah,
I think it's it's more of a dip your toe
in a wall in the water, then jump two feet in. Well,
we don't know what's going to happen, but there could
be a situation that there's a possibility the Clippers have
completely mortgaged their future for these twenty four months. But

(03:35):
I agree, But I I just don't know, and I
think this is the point that you're about to get
to right now. I don't know what the alternative was,
because if you don't get Kauai, then dune dundone. Well, well,
well this is this is the alternative if you're if
you're wondering, you let Kauai sign that to your deal
in Toronto or sign it with the Lakers and then

(03:58):
take your risk that you could sign him in one.
But where I look at the Clippers in in knowing,
and they they obviously knew that this was going to
be the contract when he agreed to come on board.
The Clippers view this situation is one that is not
going to come around, hasn't come around ever before and

(04:20):
may not come around again, and it may not come around.
In fact that I can pretty much tell you that
it wouldn't come around. There is something to keeping Kauai
Letard off of the Lakers, so you would want to
sign him in free agency this offseason. But there was
also another level that I think is is very very

(04:41):
important for the Clippers and that is you have the
first opportunity to realistically take on the Lakers head to head.
And when now we have seen that the Clippers have
had better seasons than the Lakers have had and this
has actually gone on a lot more often this decade,
and then people may real eyes that the Clippers are
the better team. But now with the Lakers being going

(05:05):
back to being the Lakers because they have Lebron and
Anthony Davis, there's a lot of cash a there and
for the Clippers to come in, bring in their own
big two and formulate a team to beat the Lakers,
not when they have Kobe Bryant nearing retirement, not when
they have a bunch of first round draft picks that

(05:25):
are trying to find their way, but where the Lakers
are sitting in a standing where the eyes of the
NBA are on them like this is this is the
time for the Clippers to slay the king, if you will,
in l a and they needed to do it with
Lebron James being in his prime or at least being
the Lebron James that that we have known throughout his

(05:46):
NBA career. Yeah, I mean, I think the big thing
from the Clippers perspective was was really two things. One,
like you said, you can't predict into the future, and
we know that next year's free agent class doesn't look
all that attractive. In a couple of years, Kauai could
potentially hit the market again. Your guy Janice could potentially
hit the market again, although we all know he's gonna

(06:07):
sign a lifetime contract with the Bucks. So but it's like, one,
you can't you can't risk uh putting putting everything in
your in, all the eggs in in your basket in
a year or two, because we saw how well that
worked out for the Knicks this year. And then to
the guy that you want, the guy that you want
to be the face of your franchise could not only

(06:28):
not sign with you, he could have gone across town
to create a super team. So now not only are
you not on equal playing ground with the Lakers, you
are at the bottom of the l a barrel, and
the Lakers are the story of the year going in
with Lebron a d and of course the reigning finals

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M v P. Kauai. I just think it's a move
that you had to make, and he can't really think
twice about it if he stays with the Raptors because
it is a different story. And one of the reasons
the Copers ended up giving up all those picks Oklahoma
City was the report that they felt that he would
go to the Lakers. Whether that is true that the
Lakers were the second choice or not, we may fight
out someday, but for for a factual purposes, we don't

(07:11):
know right now. But if he goes to the Toronto
Raptors on a two year deal and says, hey, let's
try to run it back and repeat in one, it's
just a different landscape. And maybe some of the Clippers
young core is better, but Lebron is gonna be on
the back end of his contract. We don't know how
much of it told these next two seasons are. It
also allows this Lakers team two and and the Lakers

(07:33):
have had this city in the palm of their hands
forever and and and it's still is right now like
it is still one of Lakers Town. In fact, I
think it was last week when when Jonas and I
were in the gap between the Lakers and Clippers in
l A is the biggest gap between two same city
sports teams that you've got throughout like the there are

(07:57):
tons of Giants and Jets fans, even though the Giants
are the bigger tea. I could name one, which one?
I think the Dodgers and the Angels. I don't know
anybody that cares about the Angels. I think Orange County
has got a big and you've got one guy, you know,
more Angels fans or Clippers fans, because I think the
Dodgers and Lakers are comparable. Yeah, maybe you're right. I'm sorry,

(08:18):
Ryan Music, I'm sorry you're right. But the the point
is is the gap is is so big, and now
if you have that opportunity too, and I don't know
if they will, maybe maybe this won't work out for
the Clippers, but the Clippers needed to do it now
because the Lakers that also would have had a two
year head start even if Kauai wasn't here, un really

(08:39):
recapturing the city and being in playoff mode. I mean,
I think I think that they're Laker fans. For as
much as you want to talk about how much they
win championships, I just want to see this team back
of the playoffs again for once and then start building
on that. And I think we can call this New
York Nick syndrome. I really do. I know, I just
referenced it. I don't think if if you've been promising

(09:02):
your fans you're gonna be a player in the summer
of you can't then just whether the Lakers are good
or not. You cannot just then push back the clock. Now, look,
if Kauai just says no, then Kauai says no. But
if you have a chance to get him, and it
means given up every draft pick, you have until seven
to get Paul George like, you have to do it,
not only because the Lakers are relevant. You just don't

(09:23):
know what the landscape is. And you say you brought
up the scenario of what if Kauai goes back to Toronto, Well,
what if Toronto wins two more championships and you can't
get Kauai two years from now? What if the Lakers
win two championships and Lebron's getting closer to retirement age,
and that, all of a sudden is a better alternative
to Kauai, Leonard, Those alternatives could be there in the

(09:44):
future for sure, But all you can worry about is
the present. Like I said, I just think listen, I
have to think a lot of teams looked at what
happened with the Knicks this year and just said, we
don't ever want that to happen with us. And I
just don't think that you can risk saying, well, well,
you know, it's a lot to give up. And and
it's like, no, if you got a chance to go

(10:04):
get that guy, and Kauai is that guy and then
bring somebody else with him, you just gotta take advantage of. Plus,
Kauai is the guy that that wanted the Clippers, And
we still don't know how many people actually still want
to be a Clipper and and and if that that
can change over these next two years. The worst case
scenario for the Clippers, honestly is that this didn't work
out and Kauai leaves after two years, is they go

(10:27):
back to being the Clippers. Like that they've already like
they've already hit the lowest of lows that they can't
Their lowest of lows have really been like the first
twenty five to thirty years of the organization in l A.
Now you're at a point where you can do something
that you're franchise an organization has never been before. You've
got to cash it on that opportunity. Yeah, their worst
case scenario is what would have happened, What did happen

(10:50):
to Toronto if they hadn't won the championship. In other words,
you get two years of an elite player, maybe the
best two way player in the league in his prime,
and yeah, maybe he's only gonna play sixty games a year,
But you have Kauai regardless as we learned this year,
of who you have around him. And I think some
of the conversation about the Raptors role players was a
little bit overblown. I think they had some real guys

(11:11):
on that team. But you have Kauai, you have a chance.
And I think if you're the Raptors or if you're
the Clippers, you just can't not take advantage of that.
But I do think to kind of the point that
that you brought up earlier in the segment, there is
also the Lakers element of it too, of you can't
risk one him going to that team, and even if
he doesn't, them still being the story coming into next season.

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I think it's amazing when you see the team and
you see the Clippers, and when Kobe was retiring, maybe
it was you know, during that time of of Lob
City with the Clippers, and Clippers were a better team,
it was still Kobe and the Lakers in the city.
That wasn't enough because they also knew that Kobe wasn't
the same old guy. But now with Lebron James and
Anthony Davis, there's a there's a there's a coat of

(11:55):
armor on the Lakers, the team that is on the
rise again and and this is their opportunity to take
them down with the Lakers are almost I don't want
to say peak Lakers, because peak Lakers is better than
any team in the NBA, but when the Lakers are
a good basketball team, well, and the other thing too
is you you also at that time didn't know what

(12:16):
the Lakers would do post Kauai decision. And I think
it takes a little bit of the luster off the
Lakers when you're like, oh, that, so they got this
old kind of beat up DeMarcus Cousins and they got
like Rondo, but what does he really do at this point?
And you know, now we can sit there and say, well,
you know that maybe there was a plan B for
the Clippers if they didn't get Kauai, because but like,

(12:38):
you didn't know that in real time, and so I
just think for so many reasons, the no brainer. If
Kauai saying I'm only coming here for two years guaranteed,
then you deal with it. And by the way, Paul
George proved this week that two years guaranteed doesn't mean anything.
It could be nine months. So you take the chance.
You have him, and they got him. He's aeron Torres.
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games and also hear him on Syrias Sex Sem, NBA
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Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Rick, how are you doing, fellas?
What's going on? I'm almost in your neck of the
woods out here in LV. Yeah, not too bad. I've
been seeing I think it was you and Steve Smith
doing some of the games if I'm correct, And uh, here,

(14:06):
there and everywhere. For NBA TV, I want to start
off not with Summer League stuff, but with a lot
of the news that's coming out today, specifically about Kauai
Leonards contract with the Clippers two years plus that option.
We had talked about it at the at the top
of the show. What were your thoughts when you heard
that Kauai was getting the shorter deal to sign with
the Clips. Did its economics? And you know he's also

(14:29):
keeping his options open just in case it doesn't work
out with the Clippers. Somebody gets hurt, there's a personality
conflict that you know, the team makes the decision to
go in a different direction, you know, whatever the case
may be. So there's the keeping his options open part
of it. But I think the bigger part of it,
Dan is the contractual part of it, because in a
couple of years, Uh, he will be at a point

(14:49):
in his career veteran wise where he can maximize on
his next contract what he makes. It does not behoove
him right now to go for to go four years
on a contract. Uh. Better for him to go two
years on a contract, go back to the table and
get more money in a couple of years, which I
think he's gonna do. Uh, you know, I mean nowadays, Um,
it's a rarity if a player opts into a contract,

(15:11):
even when it's just gigantic money, they usually opt out
to get more money on the open market. So uh,
it's it's a bit um. It's probably a bit unsettling
for Clippers fans, you know, like whoa, we thought we
had choired for four years now until week two with
the hope of more um. But it is what it is. Uh,
Clippers fans should still be happy. They have at least

(15:31):
two years of Kawhi Leonard. You being at Summer League
where the center of the entire NBA world is is
the buzz in Vegas right now? Wow, we had no
idea how. I don't know if smart's the right word
or shrewd's the right word. But kauaia you know, he's
making GM Lebron look like you know, uh Isaiah Thomas

(15:54):
over here. So, I mean, I've been amazed at what
he's done to set that team up and set himself
up for the next few year. No, I mean he's
he's you know, Kauahi Leonard. Uh, you know, getting Paul
George to go to the bosses with Oklahoma City uh
and demand a trade. Uh. You know, it's it's almost
it's next level stuff. I mean, it's it's super team
building stuff. Um. And so you know, l A Clippers

(16:17):
fans should should applaud that because if Kauai Leonard goes
individually with you know, Lou Williams and Mantras Harold and
Patrick Beverley and and uh Landry Shammon and the other
nice players that they have, like, Okay, the Clippers probably
moved into the top four in the West, but we're
not talking about them. Is like, uh, you know, like
the top tier title contenders, which is where they are now.

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Vegas has them in the Lakers atop the heat for
the best stoughts to win the championship. But you know,
you asked me what the buzzes out here in Las Vegas,
and it's you know, we've all had time to digest
Kauai and Paul George to the Clippers. The buzz in
Vegas right now is where in the heck is Russell
west for going to play? I've got a game with
Tyler Hero today off the my Me Heat. He's not

(17:01):
under contract. I don't know if he's gonna play today
because he has been rumored to be maybe a piece
that would go to Okay see Westbrook. Um. I also
have the Detroit Pistons today with dark Press of rookie
Saku Dumboya. He has not played yet. Um. I'm not
sure on this, but I don't think he's under contract.
He has been mentioned as a guy. Uh maybe with

(17:21):
the Luke Kannard, maybe with the Tony Smell some other
pieces from Detroit. They would go from Detroit to rig
Jackson would go from Detroit to Oklahoma City with Russ
going up to Detroit. I also heard this morning from
a good source that the Russell Westbrook probably would not
want to be traded to Detroit, but that he would
want to be traded to the Miami Heat. So that's
the buzz out here. Rock kind of wondering what's gonna

(17:43):
happen with Russell Westbrook. Rick Hambla joining us here on
the Doug Gotlip Show. He's eron Torres. I'm Dan buyer.
Is it just three teams for Westbrook services great question, Dan,
It could be more, but we've heard Detroit, we've heard Miami.
Also Houston was mentioned, But look, I don't take Darryl
mori Is is really good at getting his team in

(18:04):
the news all the time. But sometimes it's the smoke screen.
Sometimes it's bluster, sometimes it's legit. This to me is
just headline hunting by the Houston Rockets. Um, there's no
way that Oklahoma City is gonna take Chris Paul back
in a trade for Russell Westbrook. That's the only way
theoretically that this would work. You obviously wouldn't want to
trade for Russell Westbrook and have hard and and have

(18:26):
Chris Paul and that's not gonna work. So I I
I personally for me, and I don't have antel on this.
This is just me reading the tea leaves and knowing
what's up. I would take Houston out of it. Guys,
if you look that there should be prohibitive odds in
Las Vegas on Russell Westbrook going to the Heat. Um
Heath fans get ready to be very very happy. You're
gonna have Jimmy Baldi's gonna have Russell Westbrook. I don't

(18:49):
know who the heck else is gonna be left around
those guys. Uh And obviously I'm not reporting official news here, guys,
but either Russell Westbrook is gonna be a member of
the Miami Heat. See and this is something that Dan
and I were arguing about the other day. I think
I won the argument neither here nor there. But you know,
everyone when they see Paul George demanding a trade, they
immediately want to pin it all on Westbrook. He's not

(19:11):
a good teammate, he has involved in you know whatever.
Not not not criticizing anyone else's opinion, but to me,
I still feel like that guy is really good and
has real value for a lot of other teams, even
if it didn't work with Paul George or frankly, if
Paul George just kind of flaked out on okay, see,
but I agree with you a thousand percent. And look,

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Russell Westbrook is not trying to make anybody else's bed.
He's not trying to make things easier for anybody else.
He is who he is. He's gonna act how he
wants to act. He's gonna play how he's always played.
And that's just gonna be it. And I think it's
gonna work with Jimmy Butler because you're gonna have, um,
two absolute badasses who are both terrific with the ball.
Russell will have it or but he's not gonna have

(19:53):
it all the time. And and uh, you know Jimmy,
he can make plays for himself. They could both set
up for teammates. They can both weren't py Uh you know,
they've both were taken that big shot at the end
of the game. Um. And if if Jimmy Butler and
Russell Westbrook come together in Miami, that's what I'm going
to be the most fascinated with, because, um, Philadelphia in
the playoffs last year, going back to Minnesota when Jimmy

(20:14):
lead them to the playoffs. Jimmy Butler wants shots late
in the game, and it doesn't matter if they're good
shots are bad shots. He wants to determine winning or
losing for his team. Guess what Russell Westbrook feels the
same exact way. How many terrible contested shots have we
seen from Russell Westbrook? Uh? You know, with one third
team to go or forty seven ticks to go. Uh,

(20:35):
so there could be a little bit of headbutting in
terms of who gets those shots in the clutch. And uh.
And I hope that we get this merger in Miami
to see how that works out, because it'll be really
cool to watch. What's amazing is Rick's answer made Aaron
think that Aaron won the argument with me, But Rick's
answer actually proved my point of that Russell Westbrook never
changed one ounce from the day that he signed that

(20:58):
long term deal with Okloba City, handcuffing them from any
success that they could possibly dream of when he stayed home.
That was the playoffs every year since they got to
oak Just so you know, Rick, that's the argument. Rick
Campbell of NBA TV join because he's errator, as I'm
Dan buyer, What do you think Adam silver Is is
more concerned about? Is he more concerned with the Kauai

(21:19):
talking to a Paul George he's under contract, or is
he more concerned with these free agents talking with new
teams before the new league year starts. Interesting, you know
what I'm okay personally with with free agents talking with
teams and you know, lining up contracts and and sort
of getting their ducks in a row and then boom,

(21:41):
the switch is flipped on free agency, which you know
this year was six pm Eastern Time on June thirty.
I think, guess what, bam bam, bam, bam, bam, bam bam.
We had all the moves right there. By Monday morning
at eight am when I went on with NBA TV,
nine of the top ten free agents had already made
their decisions. Um now official yet, of course, but they

(22:01):
had already you know, Duran and Kyrie going to Brooklyn
um and you had all these guys making the moves,
you know, Jimmy Butler and all this stuff, with one
exception Kawhi Leonard. So I personally don't have a problem
Adam might with free agents kind of getting their ducks
in a row before they flip the switch on free agency. Um.
But you know what's a little murkier and what I
think is driving owners nuts and guys, I think the

(22:23):
owners who have sort of lost in this free agency
period have complained to Adam Silver, and then I think
Adam now takes that to the public. Right, So I
think one leads to the other. And and so that's
a trend that that the owners aren't liking, and therefore
it's a trend that Adam Silver is not liking in
terms of Yo, this guy's under contract, he's the property

(22:43):
of me, and he's just basically being snatched out from
under me because these ballplayers want to get together, uh
and you know, create a merger with the Clippers. But guys,
at the end of the day, you know it and
I know it hoops the show bizz. Show business run
by the stars, whether it's actors, whether it's music since
whether it's ball players. They get all the cash, they
get all the shine. They're the reason that people are

(23:04):
paying big money to see them. And so they're gonna
run the show. So we can complain, we can picker
and tiss and moan about it, but nothing's gonna change.
The players run the NBA well, And that's what my
next question was for you. Rick is like, to me,
I do think exactly what you said is there's a
difference between guys talking and last year of their contracts, Hey,
we should all get together, this, that and the other thing.

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And a guy in Kawhi Leonard calling Paul George with
three years left on his deal and demanding, not demanding,
but trying to convince him to get out of that.
Is there anything Adam Silver can do? Is there anything
owners can do not to completely eliminate tampering? But when
I look at that Paul George situation, I say, if
that guy can get out of his contract one year

(23:46):
after committing, then, to me, that says that basically every
guy in the NBA is a free agent at every
single moment. It's just a matter of whether they take
advantage of that or not. I mean, that's a great
read on it, and that's exactly what's up. And it's
dicey for the owners, right they have a guy under contract,
um and and the owners, shot callers and coaches, it's
really dicey for them because they think, Okay, this guy's

(24:08):
committees under contract. We're good to go. We're gonna build
around him, We're gonna set up plays, uh that the best,
uh you know, bring out his skills and all that
kind of stuff. And then boom, one year later, Uh,
the whole thing changes because two buddies Paul George and
Kawhi Leonards Southern California. Guys wanna join forces in Southern California. Um,
it's it's a buzz kill. It's kind of unfair. But guys,

(24:30):
what does the cliche say? Life isn't fair? It's just
not and and so I think it is what it is.
I mean, how do you stop ball players from talking
with each other? Think about it. Do you think Lebron
James about have talked to Kevin Love when Kevin Love
was a timberwolf? And then they trade Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota,
bring Kevin Love to Cleveland. Obviously, Lebron and Dwayne Wade

(24:50):
and Chris Bosh all got together and talked and figured
it out. They all took a little bit less than
max to make the money work to come together as
the Heatles and win two rings. So this is a
trend in the NBA, and it's not ending anytime soon.
The only people that are gonna stop talking are us
with you, because I know you've got summer league games
to do. Rick. We appreciate the time, love talking to you,
and we just hope you can get arrest at some

(25:11):
point the summer. Oh the rest is coming, man. But
I got three games today, baby, I got my eye
on the price. Thanks for having me. Rick Campbell of
NBA TV and Sirius Sex m NBA Radio joining us
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. And Rick has got
the unfortunate situation where, unlike NBA g ms, they can

(25:32):
only watch one game and then go and enjoy Vegas.
You know, he's got to do the three games at
NBA TV and then he can go and relax or
enjoy Vegas however he wants. I was actually thinking that
as we were talking, and I was like, Oh, it
would be so awesome to be in Vegas for like
eight days. And I was like, oh, he's at the
gym probably from ten am. Tom. I always think that
the gms and they find out that their game is

(25:53):
at one o'clock local time, they're like sweet, Like all right,
the hottest part of the day. Yeah, grant. I'm in
a gym, but you have the rest of the the
afternoon and evening to do whatever I want. Then he
can sleep in a bit to the next day, right, Yeah, yeah, no,
it's true. It's uh. I've been in Summer League a
few times. I know you're not a huge fan, but
it is fun if if you have either one a

(26:15):
specific team to cover, or two you're just a fan
and you can kind of hop in and hop out
all day, it's a pretty good deal. Be sure to
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(26:37):
Leap Show. Thank you very much to Brian Finley for that.
Brian will join us in about ten minutes or so
as we get together and play a game. Now, I'm
not trying to sound like get off my lawn guy
with saying I don't like the NBA Summer League. I
just don't have any interest in it. There's other things
I'm I'm interested in Wimbledon, I'm interested the Open Championship
next week, interested in the PGA Tour. Those the interests

(26:58):
that I have going on. But I can also recognize Aaron,
that there is an audience for it and a lot
of other people who really take in the Summer League
and find great value in it. For for whatever it is,
there are people who are finding value in it. That's
I think that's it's It's pretty fair to say that.
What I think that the NFL should do is look

(27:20):
what the NBA has done with Summer League and reshape
their preseason like the NBA has put lipstick on a
pig and have allowed people to actually want this product.
The NFL, if you were to take the preseason where
I think after the Rams last year did not play
Jared Goff or Todd Gurley or any other their star

(27:40):
players in preseason, you're gonna see more and more NFL
teams do that this year. The NFL needs to repackage
their preseason and make it like summer in the NFL,
where you only have rookies and free agents playing these
preseason games, You're not gonna be able to charge the
amount that you would for a regular season game, but
you need to frame it in a way that gets

(28:03):
people at least excited or feel like they want to
be there. And I think if you were to showcase
your young stars with those teams in those games, that
would be a way that the NFL could make the
preseason a much better value. You brought this up pre show,
and I thought your point was so spot on. If
they just changed the name of preseason to like NFL

(28:24):
Summer Showcase, tune in and tune it in. I also
was thinking while you were talking, how about this, We're
gonna get a Dome stadium in Vegas. You make it
like a high school jamboree. Remember in like high school
or like Little League, all the teams get together one place.
So say Roger Gonell, I hope you're listening. I'm just
giving you a free content here. So one long weekend,

(28:45):
like a Thursday to a Sunday, how about you get
all the teams together, Dome Stadium in Vegas, four games
a day. One ticket is fifty bucks, whatever it is.
You get everybody there, You get every team there, the
rookies inventing no time, Brady's no Aaron Rodgers. But you
mean to tell me people want to come out for
that four days of football. I I think people would.

(29:06):
You would have to figure out some logistic things that
I mean, you could obviously split the gates with the
teams that participated. But I think that there's options, there's
there's ways to be creative, and that that could be
one of them if you just if you just changed
how we look at preseason. There could be a change
coming up because the eighteen game schedule is being brought

(29:26):
up again and Roger Goodell is saying that the four
preseason games don't work. Even Aaron, if there are three
preseason games, I still don't think you're going to see
the amount of veterans playing in those games. It's just
another game to play where their star could get hurt.
So if the NFL, if they want to trim it
down to two or three and they make it the
Summer Showcase, that's the way, just like the Summer League.

(29:48):
Because realistically, well it's neat to see r. J. Barrett
play for the Knicks, or it's neat to see Zion
play the one game for the Pelicans. The fact of
the matter is we don't really know about a lot
about the other players. And realistically a lot of the
other players aren't going to see the light of day
in the NBA. Yet people are going crazy about Summer League.

(30:08):
Did you see this Summer League? There was just a
thing on TV of the Nicks didn't shake hands with
the Raptors after Summer League. Like, how absurd is that.
I don't even know any of the players that were
on the Raptors Summer League team to have their hands shook.
So if you're the National Football League in your more
popular than the n b A, why not try to

(30:29):
do what the NBA has done and taken something which
in my opinion, is of little value and make it
a valuable asset. Yeah, it was. It was Ineshanna, remember
if I was working with you the other day or
on my Saturday show when we discussed it. It is amazing, though,
how in the span of like seven or eight years,
so many of these peripheral events have now become like

(30:50):
stuff that we consume talking points for us on radio,
Like call me crazy, Dan, I don't know how long
you've been doing this for. I don't feel like anyone
really cared about the NFL combine like eight years ago,
or if they did, like you know they cared about
who ran what, but we weren't tuning in for like
seven hours a day on Wednesday to watch defensive tackles

(31:13):
do And I just find it amazing that Summer League
is one of these things that combine is one. Some
of the draft coverage is one. Just how the sports
calendar has flipped. NBA free agency, I think is one
people and they didn't used to care and nearly as
much as they do now. Preseasons the worst part of
the NFL calendar for sure, Like people get more excited
to see the start of training camp than the actually

(31:34):
go and see the preseason games. In fact, when you
watch one preseason game, then you're like, well, geez, I
can't wait to the other three of these go away
over the next couple of weeks. I was gonna say
the hour in the lead up to the first preseason
game maybe the best moment of the football season because
you're just so excited that, oh Brown's Chargers Hall of
Fame game, let's go, And then you're like, okay, uh,

(31:57):
I'm with you. I love it because I love to
see the graphics, so I love to see the helmets,
I love to see the uniforms on the field. But yeah,
five minutes in when when when you know we're gonna
get that in three weeks with the Hall of Fame Game.
Three weeks from tomorrow, Hall of Fame Game kicks off
with the Broncos and Falcons. As crazy as that is.
Three weeks from tomorrow, a week from today, the Bronco
was open training camp. That's the way that the NFL

(32:19):
can at least put lipstick on a pig and make
the preseason that much better, at least better than I
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(33:48):
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Al Right, guys, let's get right into a Justin Verlander.
This for you guys to decide if it was real
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(34:10):
officials from Major League Baseball after his comments about juiced
baseballs and saying the game is turning into a joke.
Is that real news or fake news? Well, I know
he made the comments. I'm I'm going to say fake
news that MLB chewed him out. I'm gonna say real
news because you can't if you're a player, you can't

(34:32):
just go after the league. Uh. It's kind of like
when you know a player jokes about tampering or something. Yeah,
you're gonna get hit with the tampering fins. I'll say
it's real news. Uh yeah, guys. In fact, Jason Dark
of the Athletics said that Verlander got called into the
principal's office on Monday afternoon like a time out. I
guess and Joe Tory, Jim Leland and other MLB officials

(34:57):
had a stern talking with him and tell them and
knock off the funny business. So yeah, real news. I
was in last night with Mike Harmon here on Fox
Sports Radio on the Jason Spits Show with Mike Carmen,
and my point was that Verlander spoke out for the
simple fact of starting pitching is becoming less and less valuable,
and he's standing up for his his peers for the

(35:22):
simple fact of free agency has not been great for players.
The starting pitcher in Major League Baseball's value has never
been lower than it currently is. And so now when
you have juice baseballs now, the value of pitching maybe
isn't as much if balls are flying out when they
when they shouldn't be. So I think there are a
lot of reasons why Verlander had a reason to speak up.

(35:44):
We'll just see. You have to see if he speaks
up again after that talking to buy baseball. Coming up now,
we've got a story about Nick Saban. Now, after his
disaster with the Miami Dolphins and all that he's done
with Alabama, there's a story out about Nick Saban interested
in taking over the University of Texas football program. Back
in The deal fell apart, obviously when the former head

(36:08):
coach at the time, Mac Brown, found out and furiously
refused to let this happen. Guys, is this real news
or fake news? I'll say fake only because there's not
anybody with any less power than the dude that was
just fired. So I'm gonna say fake. All right, I'll
go there, Mack Brown slapping me around? Ye had guys.

(36:31):
Texas mega booster Tom Hicks said recently on a podcast
that Saban had reached out to the Long Horns through
his agent following the season and wanted to know what
mac Brown was gonna do if they opened up that
position at the Texas said coaching spot. So yes there
was interest, and yes it was real. I think Nick

(36:52):
Saban was interested in a fatter check from Alabama at
the time more than he was interested in Texas. But interesting.
Mac Brown now back at North Carolina leading that football
program again. Moving on here, the optimism is swirling right
about the future of rookie quarterback Dwayne Haskins, and there's
talk perhaps that this has led to an increase in

(37:14):
season ticket sales for the Washington Redskins for the first
time since since Robert Griffin the third was drafted. Is
this fake news or real news? I'm gonna say this
is real news. At least they've got something to look
forward to with the Redskins. I'm gonna go with fake

(37:35):
because I don't think Brian is savvy enough for sneaky
enough to go with three straight fake three straight real stories. Well, Brian,
I know you too well, Dan struggle bussing over there,
struggle bussing that. Yeah, whatever it is, you know what's

(37:56):
what's the real story? So apparently almost almost four employees
behind the scenes have left since January, so there has
been a quote unquote mass exodus of employees. And that
certainly makes sense because guys, again, it is the Washington Redskins. Okay,
but our season tickets up. Wasn't that the question that

(38:18):
it was just a story altogether? We don't even know.
They could still be up, and I'll still be wrong.
This is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show. I'm
gonna need Brian Finley to call the Redskins season ticket
office to confirm. I mean, we we need some factual
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(38:41):
everybody decided, you know what, I think, I'm just gonna leave.
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free agency is pretty much over and done within the NBA,
but now that it has happened, there are a lot

(39:44):
more stories coming out time and time again on what
happened during free agency. And one of the topics of
conversation recently, as recently as yesterday was NBA Commissioner Adam
Silver talking about the tampering that is going on in
the NBA. Now the side of it that we're going
to discuss right here is essentially the league moratorium where

(40:07):
the new league year this year started at six o'clock
Eastern time June. You were then expected to have a
week of conversations between agents and players and teams, and
it was over the week that you would have that
leading up to when contracts can start to become official
on July six. Well, what ended up happening was on

(40:28):
June twenty nine, we found out that Clay Thompson was
gonna stay with the Warriors, that Kemba Walker was gonna
leave for the Boston Celtics, and then just an hour
before the moratorium was to begin at six o'clock Eastern
time on Sunday June, we found out that Kevin Durant
was going to the Brooklyn Nets. And that's the issue
that we talked about today, because now, how does Kevin

(40:52):
Durant go to the Brooklyn Nets if they aren't able
to even speak with him up until that time? And
in fact, there was audio from Sean Marksley, Brooklyn Nets
general manager, was saying that you didn't have a conversation
with Kevin Durant leading up the free agency. You buy that,
so you and I vehemently disagree, agree with this, I

(41:13):
believe that. No, I don't believe that he ever did
talk to Kevin Durant because I don't think Kevin Durant.
I don't think it was ever like like he decided
on the nets independent of who the coaches, who the
GM is. Basically as long as Kyrie was going there, um,

(41:33):
I believe that he was going to go there with him.
And so because of it, I believe Sewn Marks when
he said that he never had a conversation with Kevin Durant. Now,
were there conversations between his representatives, maybe, but I don't
believe that he knew until, as he said, he saw
everything on Instagram. You don't. Now you're taking Kevin Durant
for his word of saying I can't be recruited. I can't.

(41:54):
I'm not going to be recruited. I'm going to end
up going where I want to go. So he just
decides to go without having really any information or any conversation.
My personal belief, I think Kevin Durant when he makes
big life altering decisions, I don't think that he thinks
things through. I really don't because you look at the

(42:17):
Golden State situation, right, He says you know, I can't
win a championship, and okay, I gotta go somewhere to
win a championship, and then he picks the easiest place possible.
He stacks the deck totally in his favor, and then
he gets mad when people say, oh, you know, yeah,
you rode Steph's coat tails to a championship. And so
I think it was a similar situation with this in
Brooklyn where he said, I gotta get out of Golden

(42:39):
State because no matter what I do, I'm always gonna
be in Steph shadow. So he follows Kyrie. He doesn't
think through the fact that the nets were basically irrelevant
until about four months ago. He doesn't think about the
fact that Kyrie has a little bit of a checkered
past of uh, you know, being a leader and a
player you can count on, Like, I just think this
is who Kevin Durant is. Is I I just I

(43:01):
failed to believe that there was no conversation. And I
think if Sean Mark says that they did speak with
Kevin Durant prior to that MORATORI in beginning, then the
Golden State Warriors are on the doorstep of the NBA office.
Is how could talking about tampering. How could they though,
when it's very public that Draymond Green reached out to
Kevin Durant after Game seven of whatever was the NBA Finals.

(43:24):
I mean, you like, I I don't think to me
because you'd have another Draymond Green and a GM are
two different. You got a player on a GM that's
completely different. Is in tampering tampering? Well no, I mean
it's it's just completely different. I mean it's you can't
have you can't have a general manager reaching out trying
to pull other players. There's there's there's. You just can't

(43:48):
do that. I mean, like like there's and and so
Shawn Marks comes out and says that, I mean, you know,
we talked about players doing it all the time. But
I mean Drake got fined when he was a Raptors
ambassador magic, I mean for just for saying that. So
if Sean Marks comes out and says, yeah, we did
have conversations with Kevin Durant on there, you know, so

(44:10):
then why why did he go so far to say
then that we didn't know officially until until the Instagram
post popped up For that exact reason. It is because
they can't because the Instagram post popped up an hour
before free agency even started, but he said that his

(44:30):
quote was that I never we never spoke with Kevin
in the lead up to free agency. Doesn't mean I
didn't speak to a representative of Kevin Durant, So that
Kevin Duranc committed to the Nets of View Instagram before
he even spoke or met with the team before Kevin
Durant did. Yeah. Well, there was a quote today from
the New York Daily News where they talked about it

(44:50):
a little bit, uh with where basically the way that
things were worded was that I'll read you it's not
a direct from Shawn Marks, but he says Mark said
Durant committed to the Nets via Instagram before speaking with
the team, meaning the interest from both sides was sent
through back channels. So I believe there was contact. I

(45:12):
just don't believe that Kevin Durant ever got on the
phone with anybody from the NETS. Uh. Somebody for on
behalf of Kevin Durant did, But I don't think Kevin
Durant did. And I think that speaks to me to
how flaky the guy is, because to me, I think
it's insane that he would go to an organization that
that has what one playoff appearance in the last six
or seven years, GM with no track record, a coach

(45:33):
with no track record, he doesn't have who knows what
the plan is to rehab there. I just like, like,
whether he did or not, I still think he should
have taken a meeting, I guess is the point. It's amazing,
no disrespect. I think it's insane that you don't think
that there was contact, like like like there is, there's
gotta be, or that he just made the decision blindly.

(45:54):
I said, that's you know, like we're then we're arguing
semantics over words, like it's an exact words sort of thing.
But the thing that there was no communication between the
two sides is I I think that's a fabrication, and
I think that's what Adam Silver is getting at. So
if Shawn Marks comes out and says I never spoke
with Kevin Durant, that may have been true. I don't

(46:14):
necessarily believe that's the case. I just don't think he
can come out and say that. But even if it
wasn't him speaking directly, if there is contact between the
two sides, that's still illegal. Whether it be an assistant
GM or somebody in the organization reaching out to his people.
I just that's what June July six was supposed to
be for. Yeah, I I just think that, you know,

(46:36):
having there's two different conversations here, right, Like, did Kevin
Durant ever speak with the with the with the nets
before he he committed to them? But then there's also
Adam Silver's comments on tampering. And I believe that Adam Silver,
who spoke out very publicly yesterday on tampering, I think
that had more to do with Paul George because, as
I've told you many times, I told you this on

(46:58):
Monday when we filled in for Doug. I think there's
a big difference between Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant kind
of saying, hey, we're both free agents next year, we
should play together, even having that conversation a year ago,
six months ago, six weeks ago, whatever, there's a big
difference between that and Kawhi Leonard going to a player
with three years left on his contract and Paul George

(47:18):
and saying get out of this contract. I need you
in l A. And I think that's what Adam Silver
was talking about more than what well, this is this
is the actual quote of Adam Silver when he's talking
about free agency. It's a little lengthy, so bear with me. Quote. Obviously,
if deals are being announced immediately after the discussion period begins,
there had been prior discussions. I think the consensus at
both our committee meetings and the board meeting was that

(47:40):
we need to revisit, reset those rules, that some of
the rules we have in place may not make sense.
I think it's pointless at the end of the of
the day to have rules that we can enforce. I
think it hurts the perception of integrity around the league
if people say, well, you have that rule, and it's
obvious that teams aren't fully complying, so why do you
have it? End quote? And that's strictly about the moratorium

(48:01):
and the time to sign free agents. I think it's
as big a deal as wearing the wrong hats on
Draft night because of the deals that can't be announced.
Like realistically, I understand that Kevin Durant is under contract
with the Golden State Warriors up until you know that
point when the league year ends, But you know, are
they really using that final hour to try to convince

(48:23):
Kevin Durant to stay or any other team that may
have a free agent that is about to become a
free agent. No, I don't think so. If they if
they think that they're going to leave, then you know
that that that ship has sailed so real quick. I
think you established you don't have a problem with Kevin
Durant all that stuff. I actually don't either. I do
have a problem with Paul George. Do you have a

(48:44):
problem with the back room dealings that Kauai took part
in with Paul George? Because to me, that is the
definition of tampering. You're tampering with another player under contract.
And I know it's you can argue that Kevin Durant
and Kyrie were doing that behind the scenes. It it's
a lot different to me when there's a guy that's
an impending free agent, whether you start six months or

(49:06):
six days out, as opposed to a guy that still
has three years left in idea. Yeah, I mean, I
think there's issues and we'll hash them out a little
bit later on the show as well. Of that angle
of things, Like, I think that there are there are concerns.
I don't think it is as prevalent as we think
it is going to be like, I like this happened,
and this sucks for Oklahoma City and it's good for

(49:27):
the Clippers, but you know, yeah, it stings for Oklahoma City.
But are the twenty eight or twenty nine other teams
going to be feeling the same thing? Is it only
going to be small market stuff? That stuff that we'll
have to dive into. I think it was a unique
situation and in a unique set of circumstances that you
had a free agent that was looking to go to

(49:48):
a place that another guy also is looking to maybe
go to the same place, but was locked into a
team that maybe he didn't see as good of a
future as he did twelve months ago. But I don't
think Paul George was looking to go to the Clippers.
I think when he heard from Kauai, I mean, it's
convenient that, uh, that they're both from l A. But
I from everything that I've read, is that they were

(50:10):
trying to convince the Raptors to take Paul George um
or that the Raptors were at least involved in a
conversation for Paul Georgia, maybe even Russell Westbrook too, And
I think it's it's a hundred percent on Paul George.
And you can say it's not a unique situation. But
as I kind of said to you on Monday when
we filled in for Doug, you know, what's to keep
Lebron James from the next guy that he decides is

(50:31):
the missing puzzle piece for the Lakers or the next
guy that Kauai feels like it's a missing puzzle piece
for Lakers. I think it's one thing. Uh. I think
Paul George is so different, Like even Anthony Davis, he
had been in New Orleans for seven eight years, whatever
it was, they couldn't build a contender around him. He
has the same agent as Lebron. I think it's just
completely different. I actual think it's a terrible precedent for
the NBA. What about the situation that we have got

(50:53):
then with what Durant's situation, Like, what does Adam Silver
do to change that? See, I I don't think you
can change guys from talking. But Kauai tampered like like
I don't know that Ka that Kyrie and Kevin Love,
Kyrie and Kevin durand excuse me, I don't know if
Kevin Love was involved too, But we'll stick with Kyrie
and Kevin Durant right now. I don't think you can

(51:14):
stop two guys from talking and saying, hey, our contracts
are up, maybe we should do this. As opposed to
it was from every report it was very clear that
Kauai personally reached out to Paul George and personally told
him go to Okay. See. I don't know what the
answer is. I don't think it's a good president for
the league though, and Adam Silver gets paid a lot

(51:35):
of money to figure it out, and that I don't
think can happen because I think it should be scaring
not only NBA owners but GMS coaches and players themselves well.
On the Durant thing there there is something like if
Durant's gonna leave Golden State and he's not going to
resign for that with them and ends up having conversations
with Brooklyn even though he's still technically a Golden State
Warrior up until that minute he becomes a free agent,

(51:57):
it actually behooves Golden State to know that Kevin dur
Rant is not coming back. It allows them to get
their reduction a row, if you will, and where they
want to go in free agency. Maybe something could be
done there, say June, guess what, Kevin Durant has notified
us he will not be returning, you know, as a
Golden State Warrior. We wish him well. And then all
of a sudden, you have this stuff come out. But
instead of having this moratorium where all these conversations we're

(52:19):
supposed to happen, and then have the week long from
June to the six to have all these discussions and
have everything happened before that, it's just a just a
bad look. It's a it's a rule like we have
these in fantasy football, Like we have a rule for
a reason that nobody knows why, and it's just been
a rule for the last ten years. And you're like,
why do we have this? Well, this one instance happened,

(52:41):
but it's never happened again. You're like, well, why do
we even have the rule anymore? So it's I I
think it's it's not a big deal. But I also
think that's why Sean Marks didn't come out and say
we never spoke to him, because he can't, you know,
and you're speaking as the head of the Brooklyn Nets.
He's Erontaures, I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You could find Aaron
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(53:03):
iran Fox coming up next. How bad are things in
Oklahoma City now that they're losing that one, but possibly
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It is the Doug gott Leap Show. He's here in Torres.
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug today. Glad to

(53:25):
have you with us, and we're very glad to have
our next guest. He's a columnist for the Oklahoma Barry
Trammell joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Barry,
thanks so much for taking the time today. Things are
Things are going well for us. I'm curious how are
things going for the fans of the Thunder after what
has transpired over the last week. How How have those

(53:45):
fans in that city reacted to the news that Paul
George is out of town and Russell Westbrook could be next.
Better than you would have suspect, It's not good, Better
than you might have thought. Uh, the playoffs failures of
the last two years sort of jaded the fan base
and the this really isn't working well. When Paul George

(54:08):
takes off, you know, that's still simply news. But the
bonanzas I got from the Clippers for any kind of
enlightened fan really actually a good thing. So uh, you know,
now the Westbrook news when it comes down, which looks
like almost surely will either now or simple, it's going
to be a difficult day. But we knew this day

(54:30):
was coming. Paul George just accelerated the time place and
so staying in that vein, we know how the fans feel.
How about the front office because one thing that Dan
and I have been talking about there's a big difference
between a couple of players that are heading towards free
agency talking and a guy with three years left on
his contract demanding out. How is the front office taking

(54:51):
it or are they the ones pushing kind of the
commentary from Adam Silver, what's your take on that? Well,
they're not happy about it. On the ord hand, you know,
they had a guy who was even better than Paul's George,
that let them know, Hey, all I'm gonna Stam gonna stamp,
gonna stay, and then when it's time to be free,

(55:12):
he left and they're sitting there home, you know, holding
the bag empty. So uh, this is actually it's not
good when when players sort of compromise their own contracts
or compromise somebody else's contract. But at least teams like
New Orleans and the thunder have maximized the issue. That's

(55:33):
the problem, and in some way you could argue a
better shape and they might have been otherwise. This is
not like the twenty seven Yankees got broke up. So uh,
you know, so the Paul George, if you study it,
it's not a terrible thing. For Okomas, I thought Lou
Garrick was included in the deal. He's I think he's

(55:54):
a pretty he's lottery protective, very traveled joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Columnists for The Oklahoman. He's Aaron Taures.
I'm Dan Buyer. Aaron and I have gone back and
forth on this topic. Aaron thinks, one thing, we're gonna
make you the judge. We're not gonna pay anything extra berries,
so you're gonna have to do it for free. But
the point of my argument was this with Oklahoma City.
The reason that it fell apart was because of Russell

(56:17):
Westbrooks unwillingness to change who Russell Westbrook is. Aaron is
saying that it was the Paul George departure via Kawhi
Leonard that ended up crumbling the bricks and having them
fall over. Who is to blame if you if you
had to put the blame on why this thing didn't
work out and it is where it is now, would
you put it more on George's shoulder, on Russell westbrook shoulders. Well,

(56:40):
I think it's more on the reason South. Part is
because of those two playoff failures. Going to Utah is
a favorite in eighteen fludes go to Portland and nineteen
is the playoff favorite modes. That's why Paul George said
I probably could find some place better, or they didn't
even say that. Somebody said, hey, some place better and
he's that. Okay, Um, Now, what was the reason for

(57:03):
the playoffs failure? Uh? You know, I think it's equal parts.
Sam Presty's roster wasn't quite good enough in this shooting age.
They didn't have enough shooting. They also were paying forty
million dollars to a point guard who couldn't shoot a
lick this year. And as far as great as Russell
Westbrook is, you know, he's not. His shooting is not

(57:23):
enough to get the thunder over humps, and generally speaking,
as your point guard needs to shoot very well. So
you know, probably probably Russell Westbrook if that's the question
Westbrook instead of George. Like I said, breaking up this
team is not is not heresy. It was not working.

(57:44):
It was a low level playoff team and that's fine,
but that really didn't get you anywhere. So some of
the reports that came out throughout the week where that
Toronto tried to get into the mix on all this
and and you know, we've kind of reference about the
show Paul George being able to go pretty close to
his original hometown of Palmdale, California probably certainly helped this thing.

(58:07):
Is Paul George as eager as Paul George as willing
to demand a trade if it meant going back to
Toronto with Kauai as opposed to Los Angeles. It's a
great question. I don't know the answer. It's a wonderful question. Um.
Clearly this was the optimal situation for George, l A
and Kawai Leonard going back to Toronto. Who knows, um,

(58:28):
but I tend to think he still would have wanted
to do it. Going to Toronto with George was a
was a pretty good thing. So um, it's just that
that lineup they're gonna have. I don't know anybody's getting
the ball up Cord, Paul, George and Patrick Beverley for
crant out loud. So um, it was just a great
situation for George and not too many people in Oklahoma

(58:50):
blaming He's not He's not being vilified very much, very
very travel of the Oklahoma and joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. What does this mean for Billy Donovan
because he's been on the hot seat the last couple
of years. Is this is this maybe ushering in more
change with them or does he stick around a little
bit more considering they're going to be going through a
whole new restructure. I can't believe it means good things

(59:12):
for Billy Donovan. Um, you need a six million dollar
coach to lead a team that's rebuilding and not going anywhere.
If they stick with Billy Donovan, it means to me
after this season, it means they really believe in the guy,
and they believe him and him as a long time,
long time at that job. But I'm not sure they

(59:32):
believe that they didn't extend him after this season with
one year left that sort of standard. I tend to
think this will be it's Billy. What about Westbrook? I
mean the early buzzes that Miami is a heavy favorite.
Let's just kind of stick with Miami for the time being.
If he were to go there, knowing what you know
about Russ, do you think he works with Jimmy Butler?

(59:54):
Two very strong personalities. It seems a little shaky to
me um personality wise and all dominant wise. Both those
guys wants the ball in their hands. Both those guys like,
you know, like to be in control of things. Now
rest that mind passing, you know, to a bunch of people.
He didn't. You know, he's to he can assist two

(01:00:14):
years in a row, three whatever it is. So he
likes to pass, but he likes dribble too, So you know,
I don't know that he's going to be content to
stand on the wing and watch Jimmy Butler go one
on one very much. So to me, that's a combustible situation.
But it's probably better than the alternatives for Miami. So
I agree. I think the heats the most like condestination.

(01:00:36):
The rift of teams that want Wasstburg and can afford
Westbrook are small, and it might be a club of one,
and that's Miami. Barry travel joining us here, Barry. I
want to wrap up with this. This doesn't mean to
sound flippant, but we the nation knows the relationship that
you and Russell had back and forth in press conferences.
Are if he ends up leaving, are you going to

(01:00:59):
are you going to miss that? Is that going to
be different for you? And from your point of view
of of of the issues that that he apparently has
had with you as a reporter, how are you going
to accept that if he ends up moving along on
his way. I'm not I'm not gonna miss the daily
interactions or non interactions with Russell Westbrook. I am gonna
miss two things about Westbrook. The wild entertainment. He's the

(01:01:21):
most entertaining athlete in American sport. There's not any questions
about that. So um. The second thing is I can't
get mad at Westbrook for the way he treated me,
made me famous in NBA circles. You know, NBA coaches
know who I am. You can't buy that kind of publicity.
So I think that's a great thing for me. I'll
miss that with Russ. Did you ever did you ever

(01:01:42):
think of just not asking questions that I ever become
a possibility? Oh yeah. But then then then he sort
of wins. That's why I did it, just to let
him know I'm not going anywhere. Uh, you know, and
eventually he's sort of broken at the end. He sort
of realized this isn't good for me. I gotta switch,
and he did so, Um, it worked out okay at

(01:02:03):
the end. Um, he just he just tries to intimidate
people in the media has included and he picked me
out because I guess I've been around the longest and
you know, he sort of recognized me. So, but he
treats he treats all the media the same poorly. So
I didn't take it personal. Well, imagine if the Oklahoma
shocks him and trades you to the Miami Herald. Now
that would be something, let me tell you what, that'd

(01:02:25):
be interesting. But the real estate crisis are going to
kill me. Find him on Twitter at Barry Trammel read
him in the Oklahoma. He's the columnist for the newspaper
Berry Travel. Thanks for the time, Berry, We appreciate it,
and I know what is a busy summer, and we
hope to do it again soon. You're Barry Trammel of
the Oklahoma here on Fox Sports Radio. Interesting on that

(01:02:48):
Oklahoma city is not taking it as hard as maybe
it would have appeared for a franchise that has been
in the for for that city that has been in
the playoffs every year they've been in that town have
to think all my strong Paul George takes. I've been
so fired up for three straight days on Paul George.
He's the worst thing that's happened to the NBA. And

(01:03:10):
now if no one's upset in Oklahoma, how can I be. Yeah,
I'm telling you that the root of it is Russell
Westbrook and that's just the man. I did think it
was interesting, and I asked him for that specific reason
if if the only option was Toronto with Kauai, would
he have done it? And Barry Tremblin have an answer.
I think l A and Kauai is the perfect package.

(01:03:32):
I don't know if he's bailing on. I just think
he had the perfect scenario laid out in front of him.
I don't know if you know he's He's taken the
same deal to leave Westbrook if it means going up
to Toronto. Some huge NFL news coming up next. He's
erin Torres. I'm Dan Buyer. Brian Fenley, though, joins us
for the latest of what else is happening outside of
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(01:04:49):
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(01:05:10):
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(01:05:34):
if you want supplemental draft coverage, John Robos is the
guy you go to. I think we spent more time
producing that segment than whatever team was that drafted that
guy spent thinking about the draft pick. John is connected
like NFL draft, no supplemental draft. He can tell you
where guys are going to nail this. How's looking. We

(01:05:58):
got a big supplemental draft on the way. Wow. I
mean after that one, I can't even talk about Yeah, break,
I just got done with this. Get off. It's like
NBA free agency. As soon as you miss on the
last guy, you want to know who the next guy is.
I just want to know what. Man, He's worked so
hard to do this and I just want to know

(01:06:20):
if there's like an offensive guard from Boise State, I
need to watch out for like a safety from you mass.
I mean, the possibilities are endless. Really when you think
about it, you know what it actually just what's your
appetite for what he's got coming up in? That's true?
That was amazing. When when does your big board come
out next? I don't know. I can't hear out of

(01:06:42):
this ear right now. That's a perfect time to play
googly movie. What intense coverage from John Romos? I think
in May. Usually in May is when his supplemental draft
big board comes out. John's shoulders are also sore from
carrying you guys in Monday's Google movie, which was Google Moogli.
By the way, if you're just tuning into The Dug

(01:07:02):
Gottlieb Show is a show or a game where if
you google a name, you'll see people also searched for
the goal. Heere is Aaron Torres, John Ramos, Ryan Music,
and today Brian Fenley, who's at the anchor desk. They
all make up the team to try to guess who
other people also searched for. When we give you the

(01:07:23):
subject of today's game, if someone gets an answer wrong,
they are out and they don't get to participate anymore.
But the goal is as a team to get ten.
I think last Monday you got six out of the
ten when Google Mooglie's subject was Justin Verlander. Today's Googly
Moogli subject is Magic Johnson. So if you searched for

(01:07:46):
Magic Johnson, who else did people search for when searching
for Magic Johnson? We start with Aaron Torres, I will
say Lebron James. Lebron James. That is correct. One for one,
Let's go to the NFL expert, John Ramos, supplemental draft.
I know was your thing, but can you also play

(01:08:08):
googly Moogli as well as you did. Let's go with
one of Magic Johnson's favorite people, Rob Polinka. Rob Polinka,
That is correct. Rob Polinka was also searched for Ryan Music,
our executive producer. I'm gonna got a little different here.
I'm gonna go Larry Bird. Larry Bird is correct. Not
only that Larry Bird was the first name that appeared

(01:08:30):
and people also searched for. Let's go over to Brian Finley. So, Brian,
if people search for Magic Johnson, who else did they
also search for? In Google a comedian. Oh, a comedian,
A comedian? Could you give me a name? I know,
I know you're being the comedian here, but we need
a James for the game. Let's go with uh oh gosh,

(01:08:54):
you were the best stand of comedians out there. I mean,
the list is is on and I think that people
search for magic Johnson and then also look for stand
up comedian. Absolutely, all right, Brian, you are never ever
playing Googly Moogli again. This is this is a lifetime banishment.
This is Bartiombi the Pete Rose. Yes, you are officially

(01:09:14):
banned playing Googly Mooglie. All right, and the banishment starts
right now. Let's go over to Aaron Torres three for three.
Aaron I will say Genie Bus. Genie Buss is a
good answer, but it's not good enough for Genie Bus.
They don't care. That is nonsense. I didn't what Google

(01:09:37):
are Google Canada? Right? Uh Wayne Gretzky is on this list. No,
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. John Robos over to you. I'm
gonna say, Anthony Davis, Anthony Davis, that is a really
good guess, just one that's not good enough for this list. Yes,
Anthony Davis didn't make the list. Wow, Ryan Music, can

(01:09:57):
you reel off seven names and when googly moogli for
your team? Okay? Isaiah Thomas, the elder Isaiah Thomas, You
guys stink at Google. He did not make the list.
He did not make the list. Who else people searched for?
I met the younger Isaiah Thomas? These are these were

(01:10:19):
some of the names. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. My
next guest was gonna be his wife, Cookie Johnson. That
is correct. Cookie Johnson did make the list. Cookie Johnson,
You guys want to throw out any other one? Kareem
did make the list. He would have been good. Ryan Music,
you want to throw out any anymore? James Worthy James

(01:10:41):
Worthy did make the list. Yes, he is on the list.
How old is this Google search? You cannot tell me?
There are more Magic Johnson James Worthy as opposed to
Magic Johnson, Genie Buss. That makes there's just connections with
the Laker teams. You also had Michael Jordan's Shaquille O'Neil,
Kobe Bryant, Will Chamberlain, Luke Walton, Jerry West, Charles Barkley,

(01:11:03):
Bill Russell, Steph Curry, Dwyane Wade Scotty pipp and Lonzo Ball, Kawai, Leonard,
Kevin Durant, Dirk Navitsky. In fact, you could have named
any NBA player and I think gotten it right outside
of Anthony Davis, Alan Imerson, Russell Westbrook and his son E. J. Johnson.
This also searched for. This is like the two thousand
presidential election. I demand a recount. You cannot tell me

(01:11:26):
that more people are searching Magic Johnson Steph Curry than
Magic Johnson. Genie buss I refused to believe that. I
refused to believe it. I'm googly mooglie. We only got
three rights. Hey, there's always time for us to redeem ourselves.
On another episode, he's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer. This
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(01:11:46):
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(01:12:07):
so it's not out there. I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox.
Coming up next is a marriage between Russell Westbrook and
the Miami Heat destined to become reality. We'll tell you
next year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
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(01:12:28):
the I Heart Radio app. He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer,
glad to have you with us. And it happened and
Ryan Music is going to realize this in less than
a year. But Aaron's newly married as of last Friday,
and uh what happened today? Aaron I filed for divorce. No,

(01:12:50):
Google Mowgli, what happened? Yeah, yeah, Google Moogli that. Uh no,
I forgot my wedding band. So not not my finest
moment as a merryman. I mean, I'm, you know what,
nineties six hours in but the second day back to
work for me, which, now that I'm thinking about it,
got married on a a Saturday and came to work

(01:13:11):
on a Wednesday because it's took me like a day off.
I also forgot it. So actually we're on the same
We're on the same track like of days of fire,
remembering to where it completely forgot about it. I will say,
in my defense, I've already almost lost it like three times,
so I put it in a box for safekeeping, and

(01:13:32):
I just didn't just didn't think about the box this morning.
It's better than just putting it down somewhere. That's true. Ryan,
You gotta remember this so when you get gotta make
it past two days. Guys. By the way, John is
not going to be able to attend your wedding because
he's got supplemental draft stuff to deal with him. May
He's got to figure out his big board. That's that's
already been put on the calendar. Disappointing, but I understand

(01:13:53):
work comes first, and it absolutely does. And uh, speaking
of what comes first, Burst things First on Fox Sports one,
Nick right today Wide in the possibility of Russell Westbrook
becoming a member of the Miami Heats, could Miami instantly
assert itself as the third best team in the East,

(01:14:15):
jumping over Indiana and Boston and Brooklyn unless Kevin Durant
comes back way early. I think absolutely they could. I
think Miami almost made the playoffs last year without Jimmy Butler.
If you're able to go from when last season ended,
your best player is who goran dra to a team
where you're two best players are Jimmy Butler and Russell Westbrook.

(01:14:35):
That is a coup. It's not what the Clippers did,
but it's damn close. So yeah, I think this would
be if the Heat can make this move to no
brainer for that. I look at the East and in
Milwaukee I think is on top, and then people would
have the seventy six or second. So when you talk
about top three, I think that's given that it's those two.
I wouldn't put them better than Boston though, I just

(01:14:56):
I don't know how the fit would work. I know
they're two really good players, but I do think Boston's
gonna be freed without Kyrie. I know you lose Al Horford,
but I I would put them in the top half.
I don't know if i'd put them in top three.
That's just one team we're talking about here. But the
Heat were on the you know, we're we're a team
that was contending Layton into the season. They're gonna improve,

(01:15:18):
I just don't think they're gonna be top three improvements yeah, yeah,
And I like Boston more than most because I think Kemba,
my Yukon guy. I think from a leadership standpoint, he's
gonna fill the void not only statistically of of Kyrie Irving,
but from a leadership void as well. I do think
there's something to be said for though, of Westbrook, not
every single I mean, if he was doing what he

(01:15:39):
did against the Western Conference and now he gets a
couple of nights a year against the Knicks, and he
gets a couple of nights a year against the Calves,
and you know, I'm trying to just think of the
lousy teams off the top of my head. The Magic
I know they made the playoffs, but they're not very good.
The Hawks aren't good, like like if D'Angelo Russell evolved
from like like completely unplayable or that might be a

(01:16:01):
slight exaggeration to All Star in a year and a
half in the East, I could see Westbrook just blowing
up and having a phenomenal year next year. I don't
know that that means top two or top three? Does
that lift the team up if he does that, because
he's had great numbers in Oklahoma City has stayed where well,
I mean, they want forty nine games this year in

(01:16:23):
the West, so I think there's something to be said
for that, right, And I mean, like I said, the
you got Atlanta in your division, which is a lousy
You got Orlando, which I know they made the playoffs,
but I'm not sold. So I don't know. I mean,
do I think they're gonna make the finals? No? Do
I think they're better than Milwaukee or Philly as you said, No,
But I do think there's something to be said about
going west from East. Uh, it might allow I don't know.

(01:16:45):
I don't know if it's gonna make him statistically better,
but yeah, the the the fact of the matter is too,
is that the East only has so many teams where
what do you expect from the Pistons Realistically, you just
were able to Charlotte's not going to be there. They've
least are gonna have to move up. It's just as
so as you get in the top four in the East,
you're all right. So I know the Sixers rather would

(01:17:08):
have been two than three than they would have had
that Game seven of the Eastern Conference Semifinals in Philadelphia
and not in Toronto, and that could have changed things
that I almost for for everything that's gone on in
the Western Conference, we're kind of back to the East
being the old East now that Kauai is left again.
I find that there's some intrigue in that, and just

(01:17:30):
with some of the pieces moving in different places, I
think the East will be interesting next year. Yeah, I
was wondering. We talked about this briefly, but does load
management become less of a thing now that the league
is more balanced? I think it's something to think about
going into next year. He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer.
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You'll find aeron on Twitter at Aaron Underscore Tours. You

(01:17:50):
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(01:18:14):
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(01:18:56):
go to Fox Sports Radio dot com download the Doug
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us earlier in the show. Is Aaron and I discussed
the possibility of tampering when it comes to free agency.
This was Rick Kamela earlier on the show with Aaron

(01:19:16):
and myself. I think the owners who have sort of
lost in this free agency period have complained to Adam
Silver and then I think Adam now takes that to
the public right in terms of YO, this guy's under contract,
he's the property of me, and he's just basically being
snatched out from under me because these ballplayers want to
get together, uh, and you know, create a merger with

(01:19:38):
the Clippers. That was Rick Kamela earlier on the show.
And as we've discussed whether it be the net's talking
to or not talking to Kevin Durant before he made
his decision, there is, in my mind, a distinct difference
between a front office doing so and a player doing so.
We've heard player conversations going on along. Do you think

(01:19:58):
that things have crossed the line in Oklahoma City though
with the latest player conversation if you will, Yeah, my
personal opinion is just I do think it's different when
a guy is heading towards free I I agree you
can't cross the line of executive two player, but I
also think that when you go from players entering free agency,

(01:20:20):
um players with six months left on their contract to
Paul George, I don't want to say seemingly thrilled with
his situation in Oklahoma City, but as we've been discussing
throughout the show, they won forty nine games last year,
they made the playoffs. I know it's a disappointing end,
but I do think there's something to be said for

(01:20:42):
going after a guy with six months left on his
contract or heading into free agency, as opposed to going
to a player who still has three years left on
his contract and convincing him to get out of it.
The fact of the matter is we don't see this
very often, and you brought it up last hour as well,
and I think it's fairly The Anthony Davis situation was

(01:21:02):
Anthony Davis was heading for free agency. Now it wasn't
going to be this offseason, but it was going to
be the next offseason. And and it was the opportunity
where you had Anthony Davis being able to sign an
extension with the Pelicans notified them that he was not
going to do so when he would have been eligible
to start, which would have been this summer to sign

(01:21:23):
that extension, so the Pelicans end up starting to shop.
Plus he had been there seven years. There's every case
isn't just is not the same, and they're none of
them are really equal. And that's the issue that I
come upon, Like I get it. I just don't think
that there's any way you can make players stop talking.

(01:21:44):
And if you're the n b A, I think that
each instance is separate. Now if you're Oklahoma City, I
started to wonder right when the trade went down erin
if Sam Presty of Oklahoma City got to get out
of jail free card. But the simple fact of there
was another team that was interested in his superstar, that

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was willing to offer the organization a complete reset, an
ability to start over to build a championship team, where
things in that franchise of Oklahoma City and gotten stagnant.
I don't know if there are other situations like that
in the n b A. I don't know if there
are other situations where guys have signed for one year

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with that team and then one out immediately. And I
don't know how many situations there are going to be
guys that are going to be free agents that are
looking for guys on other teams that also want to
go to the city. Meaning I don't know how many
Kawhi Leonards are gonna be be able to find Paul
George's as both of them want to go back to
l A. So that's where I look at it, as
like there's really not much you can do. But I

(01:22:49):
just don't think it's going to be an epidemic in
the NBA. Well, I mean, as you said, every situation
is different, but I mean, let's look the past. What
three years, Kyrie Irving has demanded a trade, Paul George
has demanded now two trades. Jimmy Butler from Minnesota demanded
a trade. Uh, Kawhi Leonard demanded a trade, and all

(01:23:10):
of whom are different. Like in Kawhi Leonards case, like
he thought the relationship was broken with san Antonio, there
was no fixing it. He would never trust them, they
would never trust him. Maybe it's best we move on.
Anthony Davis is different than Paul George. Paul George one
versus Paul George two is different. But the one thing
that yeah, well there might be a trilogy by the
end of this, who knows. I just think I think

(01:23:32):
I don't think that. I do disagree that like the
idea that this this is a rare situation. We've seen
seven eight nine quote unquote stars or at at very
least all star caliber level players pull this off in
the last four or five years. But it's rare that
someone is just early into their contract. And isn't that
what what is so striking about this is that we

(01:23:54):
just saw Paul George a summer ago make his commitment
to Oklahoma City on that long term, like Jimmy Butler
was going to be a free agent. We mentioned the
Anthony Davis situation. Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland for Cleveland
tried to trade him before he wanted out. So so
there's there. This is this is as they are all different,
I think this is more unique than any of the
other one. It is certainly the most unique, and it

(01:24:16):
is certainly the most striking because of the very public
commitment that Paul George made. I also think that's why
it's the most scary because again, and I've used this
example a hundred times throughout this show and Monday's show
when we filled in for Doug and what if Paul
George decides six months from now that him and Kauai
just aren't working out, And what happens if uh Anthony

(01:24:38):
Davis And it won't happen because they have the same agent.
But what if Anthony Davis is tired of playing in
the shadow Lebron James. I only bring that up because
I certainly think this is the most unique, but I
also think it sets the scariest precedent of free agency.
We're not on the cusp of free agency, We're not
on the cusp of a rebuild. Another star wasn't traded
or got hurt. This is just a guy seeing a

(01:24:59):
better situations somewhere else in demanding a trade. And look,
there's gonna be twenty nine teams at the end of
every season that feel like their season and in a disappointment.
And so there's gonna be twenty nine rosters full of
guys that feel like they can put themselves in a
better situation. And NBA Commissioner Adams Silver was addressing the
tampering issues. This was the commission yesterday. Trade demands are disheartening.

(01:25:21):
Their disheartening to the team, they're disheartening to the community,
and don't serve the player well. Players care about their
reputations just as much, and so that's an issue that
needs to be addressed. I'd say number one, some of
the rules we have in plays may not make sense.
I think that's what we've discussed. I think it's pointless
at the end of day to have rules that we
can enforce. I think it hurts the perception of integrity

(01:25:43):
around the league. And I think that last part two
was about the the moratorium that the the NBA had
as well, but Oklahoma City didn't have to trade them
like like in the end, they didn't have to trade them.
Now a lot of the teams are forced with the
decision of who I want a player that is not
going to be here as opposed to at least assets

(01:26:05):
that that could help our team. That's something for the
front office to figure out. And I would say this
that if Paul George changes his mind like the wind,
maybe things would have could have gone well. And all
of a sudden he said, you know what, I'm glad
I stayed. I'm glad I didn't end up forcing my
way out and going somewhere else. Like those are all possibilities,

(01:26:27):
and whether they may be real or not, I still
think that they they could have a chance to happen,
So it's difficult to I think it's gonna be difficult
to penalize any player on on a team to not
talk to anybody when you've got All Star games, when
you've got Team USA USA Basketball, all of these opportunities
to figure, you know, when you're playing with guys, to
have those conversations and to eliminate those I just think

(01:26:49):
that's unrealistic. My my only alternative. And Ryan Music brought
up a great point earlier before we started the show
of should we have bigger trade kickers? Right, Anthony Dave
this ended up having to give up four million dollars
to figure out a way to make it all work
with the Lakers. Should it be where the player has
to give up money if it becomes public that the
trade that the that he has demanded a trade Listen,

(01:27:12):
I don't know how you could prove this, but I
think Kawhi Leonard should have gotten fined. And I love
Kauai Leonard, but he is the one that instigated this
whole thing. And you and I talked last hour about
a situation like Brooklyn where Kevin Durant signs on the
dotted line at six O one when he shouldn't have
He was hypothetically not even talking to the team. That is,

(01:27:34):
to me, still different as he was entering free agency
than what happened with Paul George. What happened with Paul
George is actual tampering. It's a player that, in this
case wasn't committed to a certain team, but was trying
to sway a player, uh with very much, you know,
with with quite a significant amount of time left on
his contract, to switch allegiances. To me, that is what

(01:27:55):
true tampering is. And again I'm not Adam Silver. Adam
Silver is paidal out of money to figure out these problems,
but I I don't think you can have that. Well,
this is what's interesting as well, And I'm bringing up
a hypothetical situation that I think could be true. How
much do you think or do you think that Kawhi
Leonard had heard Paul George wasn't happy in Oklahoma City?

(01:28:15):
My argument to that would be, why did no NBA
insider here of that. You don't think if Lebron James
had heard of that, he would be trying to get
Paul George to the last Well, we didn't know, We
didn't know where Kauai was gonna go. So so I'm
just saying that for it to randomly be Paul George,
of of all the the you could have. Kau I

(01:28:36):
could have reached out to Jimmy Butler in free agency
and and reached out to other players to be like, hey,
would you want to join me here? Join me there?
That didn't happen. It went from Kevin Durant to Paul George.
I'm wondering if there was any avenue considering that Paul
George was basically having the same excuse that Kawhi Leonard
had in deciding in free agency that we thought for

(01:28:58):
so long was that he wanted to go back to
l A. I'm just throwing it out there. I think
that there's a possibility that they could have come from
Paul George as well. Yeah, just just started. You know.
It's like, what do you find out that in eighth
grade there's a girl that likes you. Now you'll go
talk to her. You wouldn't make eye contact with her
in the hallways because he had a crush on her,
but you heard that. Now you have the the the

(01:29:20):
gumption or or the guts to go up to her.
And talk. Maybe that's what happened with Kauai. If you're like, oh,
so he's not happy, Well maybe I'll just not make
my move. Yeah, I don't think. To me, that doesn't
really feel realistic because if that was the case, then
why didn't he Why didn't he demanded trade on Sunday
so that they could sign on Monday? Like like, I
just I think it was a very unique situation. To

(01:29:42):
your point, Dan, that it was one a superstar player
in Kawhi Leonard that proved that he can be the
face of a championship team two Clippers, Paul George's from
l A. I get all that. I think it was
a very unique situation. I think, as we just discussed,
it's what makes it less likely to happen, but also
why it makes it scarier than say Kyrie Irving or

(01:30:03):
Jimmy Butler demanding the same show. I love how tourist
thinks nobody talks, you know, Sean Marks and Kevin Durant,
Paul George and I'm married now, so nobody ever calls
me for anything. So you know, you know, you know,
tell your wife this that there's a rule in marriage
that you don't have to wear your wedding ring at bars.
Oh yeah, just I'm sure that would go over really well.

(01:30:24):
You know where I will also have to wear my
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listen live. He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in
for Doug today, So glad to have you with us.
NFL training camps are fast approaching a week from today.
The Denver Broncos will be reporting for training camp rookies
and veterans because they've got the early Hall of Fame
game against the Atlanta Falcons. So the Denver Broncos have

(01:31:29):
basically just one week left of summer vacation. That's that's
what you've got. Do you get the football itch? I
know you're you're rooted in college basketball, but you cover
every sport. Do you get the NFL itch this time
of year? Um? I think yeah, once the NBA Draft
is done, Like, I'm just I'm ready for football. Yeah,
I'm I'm full speed ahead. I love college football. I

(01:31:50):
love the NFL. Uh, college Basketball's sport. I know the best,
but but I like them all. But especially this time
of year, it starts to get warm out. You know,
we're like, you know, we're not that far away. Plus
we're not that far away from hard knocks. And even
in in my forty two years of life, it is
still amazing to me on how quickly the NFL regular

(01:32:10):
season flies by, and just of how quickly it flies by,
and then how long you're waiting for it to to
come back again. It's it's it's amazing. The weeks just
seem to go quicker, like it always seems to be
like Tuesday, when there's like of every week, it's it
just flies by and it's never ever changed. And that's

(01:32:32):
the creat you get into that cycle where Thursday to Monday.
Then as you said, it's Tuesday already starting to look
ahead towards Thursday again. I totally get what you're talking about. Well,
the Jacksonville Jaguars will be reporting the training camp two
weeks from today Veterans reports, So that means that A J.
Boyer is just two weeks left of his summer vacation.
Is A J joins us here on Fox Sports Radio?
So what does a J. Bouyer have to do in

(01:32:54):
the final two weeks of summer vacation before training camp begins?
A J? What do you try to get accomplished in
these final two weeks? Um? Just making sure that I'm
at my best before the season start, uh, technique wise, UM,
taking care of everything with my family before I go
to camp, because we're gonna be pretty busy. But that's

(01:33:15):
pretty much it. Just working out and spending time with
the family. I was gonna go inverse, how long does
it take you to get out of previous season mode
where you're done icing, you're done rehabbing whatever injuries or
you know, nix and cuts that you have, and you
start looking ahead to the to the next season. Um.
You knows. It doesn't turn long for me. You know.

(01:33:35):
I try to take everything a day at a time,
and I'm always looking forward to the next day because
it helps me capitalize on things. So, uh, that's pretty
much how I do it. I have a short memory,
which comes to that reflecting on the past season unless
I'm watching film and everything. But uh, you know, it's
a new season. Um, new additions to the team, new

(01:33:55):
scheme and everything like that on offense and just competing
with everybody. I'm looking forward to that. A. J. Bullia
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's heeron Torres.
I'm Dan Buyer. How much did the way last season
go down make you want this season to come quickly? Um?
You know, like I said, it was just a learning opportunity. Really. Um.
You take the good with the good and the bad

(01:34:17):
with the bad, and uh, you know, we didn't have
the season that we wanted. Um. I had to do
my studying as an individual to see what can I
work on to be better, and you know there's always
gonna be pla adversity in the season. Uh, just how
can we kinditalize on it this time? UM, that's really
the main thing. Listen. I don't want you to pick

(01:34:40):
on anybody individually, but obviously with the way two seasons
ago ended, you think is gonna be a big year
for you guys? You beat New England, you have success early.
What do you think went wrong that didn't allow you
to have the same success last year that you did
the previous year. Um, we just I believe we just
caught a lot of adversity. UM, so things it wasn't

(01:35:00):
rolling our way. We had to learn the injuries, um,
and we're just in capitalized on many opportunities. Uh, that's
really the main thing. Especially playing away, playing Dalla, was
playing in Kansas City, those were some games that you know,
we didn't we prepared the way we were supposed to.
We just didn't go out there and perform. And I
think it was just a learning curve and a learning

(01:35:21):
point for us. And that's one thing that we emphasize
this all season, was just our technique within the calls
and just being on the same page as a team.
But even as a defensive unit. A j bully joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. I hope this doesn't
come off as disrespectful because it's not meant to be.
But were you guys ready for being in that spotlight

(01:35:41):
a whole season, considering the success that you had the
year before in the playoff run? Were you ready for
the expectations of um? I would say yes, And then
at the same time, it's just that we didn't meet
those expectations. And like I said, there was a lot
of adversity, UM that we just we hand live, but
it just didn't come at the right time. So UM,

(01:36:04):
I don't think I don't think it was really more
impressions is that we didn't beat then expectations from the
outside looking in. But you know, we've all been put
in situation where we've had high expectations. We all came
through and showed up. So I mean with the team,
we definitely have the people to meet those expectations and
keep going. The big name obviously that gets added to

(01:36:24):
your guys organization this offseason, Nick Foles at quarterback. Have
you had a chance to to meet with him, talk
with him to have you Do you have any first
impressions yet and if so, what are there? Yes, definitely, Um,
you know, just sitting there talking to him to get
an idea of him not only as a football player,
but how he is as a man and his values
on life and everything like that. We sat there, uh

(01:36:45):
and talked about that. On the side of the field,
he's also a great leader. Um. You can start to
see that the way the offenses being ran uh and
the huddle with just everybody always coming to him. Um.
And not only him, No, we have Vetteran Stephen chris On,
He's came through. And then even on guys when Mrs
tuffis liver, we still have Klai's Campbell. We have other

(01:37:05):
guys on a decent who now have to step in
into that role and just embrace it. And I think
that's one thing that we're all doing. A J. Bouye
of the Jake's Jacksonville Jaguars joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Last one for me, a j how much
UCF National Championship gear do you own? I mean you
are you are UCF night. Do you have any sweatshirts
or hats or T shirts that say seen National champions

(01:37:30):
I don't. I don't think they sent me anything. If
they did, would you wear it? Yeah, of course I would.
Is you know, I'm I'm I'm a great I went
to ucf uh. You know, it's a great school, um,
great community there, especially with the alumnis. I'm always keeping
up with um with everything from you know, football and

(01:37:51):
even basketball. You know, we just had a guy, uh
Taco Um. You know, he's with the southernst right now.
I just saw some of this highlights. I'm excited to
see what he does with them, you know, playing with
my cousin over there, So I want to see how
that goes. But I'm always keeping up with the guys
that you even uh football players that you know, we

(01:38:12):
still have a great team, man, and I'm excited to
see you know, hopefully we get the credit and the
respect that we deserve. So so you're happy that Kemba
Walker is a Celtic and Kyrie's out of town. I
don't know how I feel about that. But at the
same time, no, they got Kim, but that's a great player,
and Kyrie is going back to Brooklyn. That's gonna be

(01:38:32):
a great market, you know for him to showcase himself,
especially with the help that he's gonna have so. Uh.
You know, there's a lot of nay says and a
lot of people that's probably said negative things about him,
but this is a year for him just to show
the type of person he is as a leader and whatnot.
All right, promise this is the last one. A j
My partner and I have been arguing all day about
tampering in the NBA. Since you clearly are big NBA guy,

(01:38:55):
Where do you stand? I think it crossed the line
with Paul George three years left on his deal to
demand a trade. You agree with me? Disagree? Um, you
know I don't. I don't see nothing wrong with it. Uh.
At the end of the day, it's about winning and
even as players, you always want to be put in
the best position to win. And sometimes organizations understanding, they

(01:39:17):
might feel that it's time to move on or you know,
rebuilding things like that. So with Paul George being able
to go to Kawai and just makes that much more
exciting to watch when the NBA season come back around,
because you know, at one point it used to be
Lebron James and the Miami Heat and then their biggest
opponent was dirt n whiskey dirt, n Evinsky in the

(01:39:39):
mass You know, it's not a killing roster, but they
got it done. But besides that, you really didn't have much.
Now you have the Lakers with a D and Lebron,
You have Kauai and Paul George. You have a great
team in Portland's with McCullum, Lillard and just additions they
have with Whitesaw. And then you can never count out
the Arriors. And then on the East and self of grounds,
you have a great team and um, you know the Sixers.

(01:40:03):
You don't know the CP three is gonna go to
the heat or if West was going to go to
the heat. It's just exciting, you know, man, you had
those moves in the innfil too. You know we take
control them. You have what's going on in Cleveland that's
gonna be exciting to watch and see what they do. Um.
So it gives the fans more things to be excited about. Um,
it gives us more things to be excited about sexual football.

(01:40:25):
Just to start studying these guys, see how there, what
makes them successful and everything like that. So you have
to kind of appreciate it that they're at least attempting
to make the moves the wing. You know, it's just
not quote unquote all about loyalty. We understand that it's
a business and they understand that too, and hopefully the
fans will start doun to understand that that we can't
control everything and things happen for a reason. We should

(01:40:46):
have just talked coops the whole time, and that's that's
what we should have done. Finding my twitter at you
got training camp for two weeks and then you got
a week one matchup with the Kansas City Chief, So
it's us time to buckle down and get ready a
j We wish you the best of luck and thanks
so much for taking the time today. All right, thank
you guy of the Jacksonville Jaguars here on Fox Sports Radio.

(01:41:07):
He knows his hoops can say if we did an
NBA analyst, I know who to call. Absolutely, Hey, Week eight,
I know you guys have a bye week, but come
out with me and Ernie Spaniard. You know it's we
gay week one. Come on, how many how much film
can you watch on pat? You know, I'm just saying
we gave at least you would have the NBA in
season or just starting. You know, you would have that
sort of theme to go along. He's Aaron Torres. I'm

(01:41:28):
Dan Buyer. This is Fox Sports Radio on the Doug
Got Leap Shows. We are sitting in for Doug today.
So how high can the Lakers climb this NBA season? Well,
one person thinks not very We'll tell you who that
is after Brian Fenley gives us thet be sure to
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(01:41:50):
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Thank you very much, Brian.
He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer. Now I was incorrect
in saying one person doesn't think the Lakers are going
to reach the Great Heights because it was a canvassing
of multiple league executives by ESPNS Brian Windhorse in trying
to get a feel how the things are going to
play out for the Lakers this offseason, talking with scouts,

(01:42:13):
with some executives. The number that we see for regular
season wins for the Lakers, according to those in the
no erin is projected somewhere in the high forties to
low fifties. M hmmm, I think that. So, first of all,
I'm just not a big fan of the moves that
the Lakers have made post Anthony Davis and then really

(01:42:35):
post Kauai decided to go to the Clippers. But I
also think that um, as you brought up in the
pre show meeting, that maybe maybe maybe a Tuesday in
Charlotte is not the lakers number one priority. I don't
think Lebron's gonna play more than sixty five games. I
don't think that Anthony Davis will play more than seventy five.
He never has his entire career. So there are going
to be games. I'm not saying they're being injured. I'm

(01:42:56):
just saying when you're looking at how things are going
to play out, and if Lebron is is sitting out
and getting his rest and Anthony Davis is on another game,
those could be games that the Lakers could lose. I
just don't think that you're going to see this team
play for the regular season. As long as you get
in the top eight, that's all that matters to them.

(01:43:17):
As long as they are in the tournament in the playoffs,
they'll deal with everything else that has to come with it.
So I don't think reaching a sixty win season like
the Bucks to this past season, which by the way,
was the most of the NBA. And and when you're
talking about high forties, low fifties, high forties got you
the eight seed in the NBA playoffs there the Western
Conference playoffs last year is the Clippers had forty eight wins.

(01:43:39):
So when you're looking at the Lakers from that aspect,
not only does it say a certain wind total, it
also puts them in the neighborhood of maybe a four
or five, six, seven or eight seeds. Yeah, I think
they're one thing. And I don't think Lebron would ever
say this publicly. You just want to stay on the
other side of the bracket of the Clippers. So if
we the Clippers are the one seed, just as long
as you're not an eight whatever, even if you're four

(01:44:02):
or five, I don't think it matters that much. I
just think there there aren't many teams that I think
that the Lakers are looking at realistically saying that we're
scared of. There is gonna be no Warriors next year,
There is gonna be no super team unless something surprising happens,
and so because of it, I think you're right just
get in and even the Clippers, I don't think that
the Lakers would be all that terrified playing them in

(01:44:22):
a seven game series. I know that the injuries were
such big headlines, but there are times when I have
to remind myself that Kevin Durant's not playing next year.
Clay Thompson best case scenarios back maybe around the All
Star Game or somewhere in the in that time, and
and you forget of just really how wide opened things
actually are in the NBA. When I was gonna say,
and no Kauai with the Lakers, and because of that,

(01:44:43):
that was why that move was so important. Is now
the Clippers, I guess in theory are the favorites in Vegas.
But I don't think that the Rockets are scared of
the Clippers. I don't think that the Denver Nuggets are
scared of the Clippers. I don't think the boss in
Celtics or Philadelphia seventies. I really do think in so

(01:45:04):
many ways Kauai going to the Clippers was so good
for this league because I really do think there are
eight nine teams coming into next year that feel like
they can make this happen. I think it's different for
the league, and I think that's good because parody has
never been a thing with the NBA. Have talked about
it a bunch as of late. It's never been it's
never been their way where it's been completely wide open.
You have had teams, and you've had dominant teams, and

(01:45:25):
those dominant teams, whether they have won or lost championships
is is sometimes you know, the two thousand four Lakers
and falling to the Pistons, but there were still the
Lakers team that just a couple of years prior to that,
We're coming off three straight titles, and then you have
Lebron's run. Now it's a matter of, okay, where are
all these pieces if this guy is out and this
guy's at the end of his career, and this guy

(01:45:45):
may not return until mid season, and now this guy's
got a new teammate in this and there's so many
things that are so wide open that I don't think
it's an NBA we've ever expected before. I agree, and yeah,
and I also think that, And I don't think it's
gonna be this way forever, because right the Warriors signed
Kevin Durant, We're like, oh, the next the next four years,
it's just done. Nobody's got a chance within a year

(01:46:06):
and a half, the Rockets are right on the doorstep,
and the this year, obviously the Warriors lose, and they
lost a couple of games to the Clippers early, even
with Kevin Durant, they lose the Finals without them. So
I think that this is gonna be such a fascinating year,
assuming nothing else crazy happens. But then I also don't
think that it's a presumption to say this is gonna
be a four or five year window where the NBA

(01:46:26):
is wide open. I think the Clippers are going to
continue to tinker. The Lakers most certainly are I would
assume the Nets do after this season when they get
Kevin Durant back full fully healthy. So the point being
is that I think this year is gonna be really fun.
But I I think even though next year's free agent
class isn't that strong, I still think there's gonna be
a lot of moving and shaking around July one. Uh,

(01:46:47):
and teams are gonna look a lot different at this
time next year than they do right now. Yeah, just
for the simple fact of now you are jockeying for
one and now with Kauai's contract that we find out
today is a two plus one with the player option
for the third mean that Paul George is going to
be available. You have Jannice's name out there. If he
doesn't sign a long term deal, there's there's a lot
that is going to happen. And that was the thing

(01:47:07):
with the Anthony Davis thing in New Orleans was I
was caught by surprise for the simple fact of the
free agency for Anthony Davis wasn't until next summer. But
everything got accelerated once he told New Orleans six months
before he had an opportunity to sign his extension that

(01:47:28):
he wasn't going to So this fast tracked really as
a whole eighteen months sooner than a decision really had
to go down, and that would be Anthony Davis reaching
free agency by telling them in February or January of
this past year that he wasn't gonna sign an extension.
That kicked everything else in the year of the of
the deal with the Lakers that didn't go through, and

(01:47:48):
now the deal that did, and you could see the
same thing now in these next twenty four months. I
don't know if we're not going to get the movement
that we had this offseason. Next year but to your point,
we're gonna see a lot of teams maybe jockeying for
piz Asie or teams trying to make a late push
with guys who could become a free agent one well,
and I just think if there's one thing that this
league has produced over the last year, year and a half,

(01:48:10):
it's that you just never know who's going to become available.
And if I had told you literally a week ago
that Russell Westbrook would be traded before the start of
the season, you would have said, uh, you know, is
Sam like like there was no conceivable scenario where where
Russell Westbrook would have gotten traded. There was no conceivable
scenario where coming off three straight Finals appearances, Kyrie Irving

(01:48:33):
was going to demand a trade. Only he did. And
so I only bring that up because I just think
that whether it's later this offseason, whether it's in the
middle of next season, whether it's next offseason, something is
going to come up that we sit there and say,
here we go again with the NBA. And then, as
we learned this week, there's gonna be ripple effects after
that too. Literally, just talking of the possibility made me
choking call from there of a week ago. There was

(01:48:56):
no way that that was going to happen. And that's
life in the NBA. But hey, good news, Charlotte's up
on the Bulls in summer League with three minutes to
go into half thirty twenty six, something that we all
we all care about. I know you're I know you're firing.
These are the actual teams that will be on the court.
Giving me by joke as well. I see Kobe White
there with the with the hair wearing the number zero

(01:49:17):
for the Chicago Bulls. But there's your summer league updating again.
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(01:50:26):
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(01:51:07):
Alaska and Hawaii. Hello, Brian, Hey, what's going on? Well,
just let you know your band from Google movie still
in effect. Okay, the press it has been lifted. So
so the band from Googly Moogli still lifetime band like
Giamati to Pete Rose. But yes, I know maybe things
can turn around. We'll have to see. I will try

(01:51:28):
to redeem myself. When's your birthday coming in? I'll tell
you what. We got a half birthday coming in six days, folks,
you got a half birthday. July is the half birthday Jordan's.
The intern is already searching for gifts for me around
a golf maybe yeah, hey, who knows, we'll only play

(01:51:49):
nine holes since it's my half Brian. If you want
to send him to the British Open next week, that'd
probably be a good start. There we go. No golf
carts allowed though, No, that is correct. So you know, guys,
we grew up in elementary school doing class projects, group projects,
and maybe they didn't turn out so well. Well, the
Houston Texans, according to ESPN, are not going to just

(01:52:09):
hire one general manager for the twenty nineteen season. Instead,
they are going to share the responsibilities amongst several front
office peeps. Guys, how mindless is this idea? Well, it's
for the simple fact of the Texans. The guy that
they want to run their front office is with the
New England Patriots right now. So that's that's where the

(01:52:30):
waiting game is. So they I want to bring in
somebody to take over and then let go of them
in a year. So they want Nickossario of New England.
Remember there was the whole hubbub about him maybe interviewing.
That's what the Texans are waiting for. So let's just
write out what it could be the most important year
that they have because they are they are a playoff
contender or Super Bowl contender. Yeah, I was gonna say,

(01:52:51):
I I don't hate it if if that is the reason,
Like I see this in college sports all the time, right,
like like you just whiff on your first eight candidates.
It's just hire an intern for a year and try
again next year. So maybe I'm crazy. I don't hate
it as much as I thought I would know that
they get that now that I get the explanation from
Dan buy they should do it like Survivor and just
vote on a guy each week who they don't want

(01:53:13):
making decisions and then to see who stands at the
end of like really making the person. Maybe Bill O'Brien's
gonna have an immunity idol and nobody knows it, and
they try to vote a mountain he sticks around. Dan. Yeah,
I was gonna say, Dan and Aaron, I know you
guys are both big fans of Hugh Jackson. I mean,
just one of your favorite coaches. The great thing about

(01:53:33):
is I think we're just probably both in difference. Right
when say yeah, he led to a lot of good
punch lines, I'll tell you that he did. So here's
a guy and this is not a story out of
the onion. He actually wants to be a head coach again,
and he thinks he's deserving of an opportunity. You know,
he went three thirty six and one in two and
a half seasons in Cleveland. He went on a radio

(01:53:56):
show in Charlotte recently saying, Hey, I feel like I
have the abilities to coach. You can't base what you
think of me on what I did in Cleveland. Are
you gonna take you guys gonna take this seriously? And
would any team actually give this guy a shot? I
won't take I won't base everything I know about him
on what he did in Cleveland. I'll base everything I

(01:54:17):
know about him based on what Cleveland did the second
he walked out the door, when Greg Williams literally almost
got that job because they won what six games with
with him as a coach out of like eleven or
something like that. Yeah, one last year, and Hugh Jackson
won one of them. When Baker Mayfield got hurt, or
when Tyrod Taylor got hurt. That's when I was out

(01:54:39):
on Hugh Jackson. Was when he said I gotta go
watch I gotta go review the film after Baker Mayfield
led to that come back. This is this is something
that's very true. It is difficult for guys to get
three different head coaching jobs in the NFL. It's really
when you look at the history, there have only been
a couple of done four. Bill Parcels has, Marty Schottenheimer has,

(01:54:59):
But really to get three is really difficult. And to
have that be your second one end up like that
you're either destined for TV or usually destined to be
an assistant after that, or destined for retirement. Yeah. I
don't think the best line on your resume three thirty
six and one. I don't think that's opening very many
doors for you. Not so much. You guys have been

(01:55:21):
talking about today being there no sports. Well, guys, the
World Series of Poker is on and I was expecting
this an hour five. But x NFL star Richard Seymour
making a big run at World Series of Poker, and
so he's taking his athleticism to another realm and certainly
showing off his talents there. He what does his chip count?

(01:55:42):
You know it is let's see the thirty nine year
old chip count two point seven five million. Oh wow,
If that's the case, he's doing quite well. See I
thought you said x NFL star Richard Sherman, which was
like the biggest shot fired ever because he's still in
the NFL. So I was like, Brian, you're coming out
hot right now. So no strong opinions on Richard Seymour,

(01:56:03):
but if it was Richard Sherman, I'd feel a lot
stronger get out there that the press we have like
about forty Richard Sherman drops that we could have played,
but we're up against it, so we couldn't have Richard
Sherman respond to Brian Fenley. So Richard Seymour, I'll be watching.
I do watch the poker from you know now and
then and uh I'll be keeping my eyes on Wimbledon

(01:56:23):
and uh yeah, you know, and will be networking of course,
Fox Sports one. Anything other than Summer League is what
we yes. That is basically the case. Summer League, like
Fenley is with Googly Moogli band in my household, my
wife wanted to watch hornets and bulls. He's gonna have
to do it when I'm not home,

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