The Doug Gottlieb Show: 08/13/2019

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We are Farmers. Well welcome in Stug got Leap Show
live here at Dallas Cowboys Training Camp. Completing our training
m tour for the one to third consecutive year, We've

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gotten a chance to see the Rams in person defending
NFC champions UH the Chargers in person team that tied
for the best record in UH in the a f
C last year and lost in New England Patriots in
the second round of the playoffs. And the Dallas Cowboys,
who of course are some people's preseason favorites to reach
the Super Bowl out of the NFC, and of course
they're without their start running back. They have their star quarterback,

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they're looking to resign him and his wide receiver. There's
a lot going on with the Dallas Cowboys. We'll we'll
jump into by the way, we're gonna catch up with
Jason Witten, who of course retired for one season then
came out of retirement. He's back with the Pokes. Will
get his sense of all the things that are the same,
all the things that have changed in his one year

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away from not just Cowboys, but ox Stard. What's this
training camp like for him. We'll talk some broadcasting, do
a little bit of everything with with Jason Witten. Plus
we got some Andrew luck for you. How the Pittsburgh
Steelers have one the weekend with the wild insaney nous
that's going on out in Oakland. UH. The n c

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A doing a quality back pedal, like we got a
lot of a lot of stuff to get to, plus
some preseason thoughts. We get ready for a week two
of the preseason. But but let's start where we are here,
the Dallas Cowboys. So yesterday the story leaks that Dak
Prescott has reportedly turned down a deal that's worth thirty
a year because he wants forty a year. Now. In fairness,

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it's all negotiation, right, like you can throw out any
sort of number. And this used to happen with Scott
Boris clients. I hack even happened this past offseason with
Bryce Harper. Did the Phillies actually get a deal? Well, no,
they spent over three billion dollars, but there was thoughts
that he would make five million dollars, So I guess
maybe maybe that's a deal. The issue with with Dak

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Prescott is really this is we're sitting here on the
precipice of a season one which he still will be
undercompensated based upon what his job normally pays. And that,
by the way, is supposedly the Cowboys fault. Like right,
like the Cowboys nailed the draft, Dak Prescott got a

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d U I before the draft, and because Dak Prescott
was sloppying at times, inaccurate in spite of having an
incredibly successful college career at Mississippi State. I gets the
Cowboys fault, like they have to repay him because he
was Johnny on the spot when Tony Romo goes down
with injury and his backup goes down with an injury,
and he gets an opportunity like Okay, I guess I

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don't frankly understand that logic. I always thought that the
thing about the NFL and the NFL's contracts, which were great,
is they paid you. Usually, I pay you based upon
what they think you are worth during the time in
which you're playing for that team, right like baseball. Sometimes
they pay you for for the past, and they pay

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you way too much too long into the future, and
you don't live up to it. NFL contracts, while people
tell you they aren't guaranteed, usually it's the first year
to three years that are guaranteed, and that's really the
meat of where you're gonna be successful quarterbacks obviously exclusion.
But if I'm the Cowboys, this is such a risk
we're taking if he wants to walk from it, if

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he wants to walk with the idea of hey overpay
me by five or six million dollars to get the
thirty isn't enough. I want you to overpay me by
ten or fifteen million dollars. Is like I'm the Cowboys.
I'm okay with that. And look, Doc has done the
right thing, unlike Zeke not showing it like you want
to lead. You want to be the Cowboys quarterback. You
have to be here because you put yourself in an

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impossible situation to live up to any contract. If you know,
show on camp running backs obviously a little a little different,
but you do run the risk at least of soft
tissue injury, of not being yourself, not being sharpened by
the way cost your team games, which is the ultimate
selfishness in in the team game. But but I look
at this and I say, if I'm the Cowboys, I

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don't have to pay it for the first couple of
years in which you were underpaid. Don't have to I
may out of the goodness of my heart. And honestly,
getting the thirty million dollars is over paying. Um And
and this is not a I'm over paying based upon
the fact that he's not just an elite quarterback. I

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think you're overpaying because the key to the Cowboys rise
to prominence. They had a great quarterback, they had a
great wide receiver, they had a great tight end. They've
had good running backs. The difference is the depth of
talent the offensive line in on the defense, and that
has been able. That that has been allowed based upon

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their bid to spread the wealth. Like we're all paying
attention to the same thing. Right, There's one pool of money,
and if you put too much into Deck's basket, you
have to eliminate something else. And if you eliminate that
one other thing, he might not. He's not good enough
to carry you. Romo was. But even if Romo and
I think he's better quarterback, just more brittle obviously, But

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even Romo couldn't win because you have the defense around him.
I just didn't never had. When they had the defense,
they were a playoff team. When they didn't. They weren't
really that simple. So I can like Dak. I can
understand and respect that he wants to be paid and
overcompensated based upon fact he was undercompensated to be a

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starting quarterback on the team that twice won the division. Fine,
we also know that he's not the reason they won
the division, right, Like we're all being realistic about this.
They weren't gonna win the division. And then the Washington
Redskins lost not one, but both of their quarterbacks as
they broke their ankle, broke their like Carson Wentz got

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hurt coming off in a c L And the New
York Giants have been an abject and complete disaster, riding
out this wave of Eli manning like they yes, you
can sit there and go like, well they won their division.
They did, but the Redskins were actually winning the division
when oh yeah, by the way, the Cowboys went and

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traded a first round pick from Mark Cooper. You know
this is this feels like it feels like politics. I'll
never forget this. I was, um. I still had times
appear in Oklahoma City and a sports radio station there,
and before President Obama was elected, you get named Jim

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Treybredoes afternoons there, hardcore right winger, and I sat down
next to him and we're talking on air about the
upcoming political season, and I said, well, a Democrat is
gonna win. He's like, why, why, why why do you
say that? You know? He he got really hot and bothered,
and I said, look, this is politics. How it works right,

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like we're swaying to the right. Everybody in the left
gets in power, tells you everything that's wrong with what's
and then we swing to the the left. And then it
becomes too much to the left and to all about,
you know, almost pitched as socialism and trying to fix
everything and help everybody, and business kind of locks down,
doesn't spending money. Then we swing to the right. I

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think it's a it's a cycle of over and over
and over again. We keep doing it in relationships, you
have cycles right in in in coaching, how many times
you had a coach? If you have an offensive coach,
he gets fired. What's the next guy gonna be defensive coach? Right?
If the guy before is inexperience, the next guy is
gonna have what a ton of experience? And if you
hire like an old head, it's got a ton of experience.

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The next look at this, look at the Rams, the Rams,
who did they hire? They went from hiring Jeff Fisher,
who's been doing it forever, super boring, super solid, nobody
says anything bad, nobody says anything great. He's not super innovative,
but he does a good job. Like I remember Jeff
Fisher you know he's moved a team before. That was

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a big thing when they with the Rams, like he's
moved to team before. Like he's not a mover, he's
not a realtor. He's a football coach. How good a
football coaches. But they went from that to the most
dynamic offensive mind, the youngest coach in the league. Right,
that's what people do. That's how the pendulum swings. So
here with the Ray Ray, with the with the Cowboys.
Excuse me, that's what it feels like. You go from
massively under paying Dak Prescott too massively overpaying Dak Prescott

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and what comes with it, You lose some pieces. Your
assumption is he's in leade quarterback, he's making elite quarterback money.
Don't believe me. Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco was the same
quarterback he was before he got hurt. After he got hurt,
before he won the Super Bowl. After he gets what
changed in Baltimore? They won a Super Bowl, he got
a big contract. People's expectations of him change. So whether

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it's dating, or coaching or or playing wet, the pendulum swings.
And I feel like we know the Cowboys are ultimately
going to give in and get ultimately relent, because that's
kind of motus upper RANDI, which is they try and
be as super player friendly as possible. They love their
guys even more than you love their guys. But I

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do think they're actually in a great spot here. If
he wants to bet on himself, fine in the meantime,
worry about other deals. No you got Dot, No you
got got doak happens, but I think that's what should
actually happen. We'll catch up with Jason Witten, who's basically

(10:30):
a ring of honor dude who came out of retirement
to come play for the Cowboys. How does his body feel,
How is the offense it's a different offense than the
one he played in the last time. And uh, we'll
get his sense of how Doc looks now as opposed
to when he played with Deck during his rookie and
Deck's second season. That's up coming next live from Dallas

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Dallas Cowboys who was getting ready for the Ring of
Honor coronation. I guess and instead to say, you know,
let's let's go back and let's let's run it back.
Let's do it again. Jason Witten from wearing the Star
to the booth to back? Where in the Star? How
you doing? I'm doing well, man, join every day I think, Uh,
it's been a lot of fun. And this is always
a good time, you know. I mean it's a grind,
as you will know, but it's also a good time

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when the team comes together, you know, and you when
you go through the journey, you think back at these moments.
So if it's been a good two weeks, obviously we
got a lot to improve on. Well, look, there's a
there's a ton I want to ask you about. But
first I guess, how does your body feel like? Because
there is shape and then there's football shape, right, And
to those of us who have played sports, like you
could even like football, you can't really play with your boys,

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but you can go play basketball. But then you go
and have like a real workout, and you're by, like,
how how are you now? A couple of weeks in,
I feel good, you know. I mean I feel like
I'm always hesitant to say that because all old players,
you know, is they're towards the end of their career, like, oh,
this is the best I felt. This is the best
I felt um And truly, I think that year off
helped me, And then making the decision in March was

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was huge because now I got the entire season. I
felt like I was building towards this, you know, And
so I haven't had a moment this entire off season,
especially this training camp where I might dang, I don't
know how I'm gonna get through the day. You know,
this is gonna be a grinder. I haven't felt that,
and that's probably what it was so hard when I
did retire. I mean, I didn't feel like I can't produce,

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I can't win on one on one matchups. I mean,
I know what my role is within this offense and
convert some third downs and make some first downs and
help this team win some games. So I'm fortunate that
I play a position. For whatever drop off I probably
have had over the course of my career, you know,
my game was never really built on those certain things,
and so I feel confident that, you know, I can

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play just as well as I've as I've ever played,
and whatever role that is, it'll work itself out. It's
Antonio Gates, you know, we talked. We do the Chargers
camp every year. Talked to them and Lea last year.
This time he was sitting out. They're like, look, you know,
at some point, tight end, you're not built on speed.
It's about understanding angles and and reading the defense. And
you know, like just catch it where it's thrown to you.
And relationship wise, if you could do it again, would

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you uh, that's the ultimate question, you know, I mean,
I uh I've tried really hard in my life not
ever to like look back. I mean, there's been challenges
in versity of my entire life to never look back.
And and honestly, I learned a lot last year through
that experience. So um, I'd say no, you know, I mean,

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in the fact of if you told me that was
gonna be my last football game and I didn't know
I was gonna have this opportunity again, then I'd say, yes,
I made a mistake because I was not ready to retire.
I was not ready to stop competing. I was not
ready to um winning and losing matter to me. Still,
I felt like there was something in me I could
give to a football team. And so if I if
I didn't have this opportunity again on the other side,

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then yeah, I was the wrong decision because my heart
wasn't ready to give it up. Um. But knowing that,
I think I'm a better player having gone through that
season and the experience in the booth. Why what what what?
What did you What did you learn from not playing?
From from going around the league watching was a training
camps then you know, going to all the sites, what
what do you what did you pick up? Well, I
think the first thing is just internally, you know the

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old saying you don't know what's got to what's gone.
I mean, the fact of how much I love this game.
I truly. I mean if you ask my teammates with
the course, I mean, I was a guy that really
tried to master his craft every day. So not from
the moments of that, but you know, you're so engulfed
in being the best, you know that sometimes you don't
take a step back and smell the roses a little
bit um. But but then that that would be the

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first part of having another opportunity and enjoying every part
of that process that goes into it. And however long
and last. You know, nobody knows it's it's to show
me game and I gotta be able to produce um.
But going to these other teams and seeing how they
put together a team and do that in an unemotional way.
You know, people always say, like when you're evaluating players
or teams, where you always most people have a jaded

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perspective when they're doing it. And I was fortunate enough
to have the opportunity my not football, to go in
there and really pull back and kind of having a
thirty foot of view of it and say, like you know,
people would always form narratives on it, and like you're
able to kind of say, well, no, really, what they
were trying to do was this and and a great
example of that was first game I called was the
Oakland Raiders and against the Rams last year week one,

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and so I kind of was hearing the hype of
Sean McVeigh and to see I'm like, wow, these are
things that he does really well and it paid off
for him. But then on the Oaklands out of it,
they traded clear Mac right before that first week, so
I got to hear Oakland side of it, you know,
John Gruden, ownership of why they traded that away, what
they felt like they got. And then the next week
you called the Bears, and now you're hearing their perspective

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of their coaching staff and their general managers say well,
this is why we made that trade. And you catch
yourself from like, man, that's interesting, what would I have
done in that situation? And so from overwhelming like football
knowledge and understanding, Uh, it's a great perspective. And now
I bring that back of how can I apply that
and help help our football? You had a gap year
at thirty seven, thirty six years old, right, like you

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had a gap here, you got to go to kind
of study abroad, if you will, just Witten joining us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're live at Dallas Cowboys
training camp. When you left, Uh, Doc had come off.
I think what people would see him a disappointing year,
but a hard year, right because he and Dees Dees
was seemingly aging and there was some frustration there in
terms of them in their the ability to connect in

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comparison to how he and Tony always connected. It was
also the year where Zeke was suspended and you guys
fell off when he missed six games um and you
know there were some other injuries and some other issues
that not having a great year. Fast forward, now what
is it two years later? And now you're in training
camp and now Dak has been the guy. He's obviously

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in a contracted negotiation, but as just as a player
and playing within his offense and in a new offense.
That's one thing that's lost is it's a new offense.
What is Dak like now in comparison to how he
was two years ago? Well, the first thing I would say,
is just I mean, he's always been since minute when
he got here off the charts with all the intangibles.
I mean when you say teammates would run through a

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wall form, every guy in that locker room would do that,
and that matters. That matters in today's game. Uh. You know,
I think a lot of people just say give me
the best players and get out of the way. I
really believe that that part matters to your football team.
And then offensively, I think he's just his understanding and
he's performed at a high level, right. I mean, he
made the playoffs two out three seasons that he's been

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the quarterback nine and seven the other year, so he's
produced at a high level. I mean, his record speaks
for itself. But I just think when you talk about
mastering your craft, it's all the things that going to
have splits, alignment, tempo and out of the huddle. But
then his ability to kind of anticipate throws, the velocities
he's throwing it. Hey, I'm trying to get that to

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you sooner before that corner can unfold and make a play.
So just coverage and anticipation of the of the game.
You know, it's a fast game. Certainly a quarterback. I
think the best ones throw you open. They see it beforehand,
and they understand risk first reward and and uh so
his ability to create and do all these things outside

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of the pocket, I think speaks for itself. He's definitely
a winner from that standpoint. But I'm talking inside the pocket.
His understanding of this offense and demanding everybody else perform
at a higher level. I think it's off the charts.
It's always been at a high level, but I can
see huge improvement. What is the biggest difference in the offense. Well,
time will tell, but I think, um, you know, first

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thing I say, I mean the core of this offense
is very similar. Um, I think WHI which which? Which
is what? Because last year I'll just tell you how
they spun it to his last year. Last year, we
came here and they're like, look this whole number one
wide receiver thing, hav an elite tight end, Like we're
just gonna find the mismatch and we're gonna we're gonna
have different formations and find the mismatch and pick and

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and obviously there just wasn't enough mismatches and they had
to bring in a maori and obviously didn't have you
to fall back on um. But is the core the
off it's running the football? Like, what's the core? When
you said the core the offensie same? What is it?
I think it is the identity is to be attacking
offense that's established through its running game, you know. And

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what maybe different now than probably you know the last
year's a few years past was. I don't think that
it always has to be run set up past. I
think it's like when you're gonna attack, you can pass
set up the ron, you know. I mean they do
need to mirror each other and be married married up
from the standpoint of runs look like past past looks
like that's very elementary and from that standpoint, but I think,

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you know, what I think this offense understands is when
you have this style of we're going to control the
line of scrimmage, you know, run action, play action downhill
with Ezekiel Elliott um, a handful of plays you know,
matter you know. And I think when you look at
when we won the time as possession or I should
say they last year, I think the record was like

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eight no when they won the time in possession, uh
for the game. So that doesn't just mean running the football.
I think it's an attacking offense when that happens. Uh.
But within that formula, there has to be big plays
that come into it. You can't just think that you're
gonna go in sixteen play a d R drives and
we're not immune to that. And I think that's where
Kellen comes in. I think Kellen has done a good

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job of attacking in certain situations. Hey, they're doing this,
we need to do this adjusting off of it. So
I think when you look at the really good coordinators
or play callers in this league and offenses as a whole,
because it's not always just about the play caller. Um.
You know, Patrick Mahomes matters. You know Tom Brady matters.
I mean different playmakers, Travis Kelsey, that matters. Um. But

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I think when you look at it's like there's four
to six plays that are game changing place and you're
not gonna hit on all of them. But when I
look at Sean McVay system, or I look at Andy
Reid in different offenses. In our offense at times when
it's performing at a high level, there's like these handful
of plays are like they had no chance on that
play the defense, and I think that's where you're always

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trying to get back to. Starts with the Mari Cooper
obviously starts with the running game. We'd be like, we
have weapons, and then you find in these wrinkles, I mean,
Gallops coming on in a second year Randall Cobb is
a huge edition. You know, hopefully I can convert some
third downs. You know, Tony Pollard will be a new
guy to that. So I think that's the core that's offense,
Kellen's feel of adjustments, how all that fits in RPO games.

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A big part of that. Shifts and motions. Hiding some
of those looks is a big part of it. And
then you know, creating matchups, you know, to where we
can take advantage of what the defense has given us.
And people always say like, well, you know, they don't
know his tendencies yet, you know, like a new coordinator,
it will be some new wrinkles. I mean, they'll find out.
What people mean by that is what I'm trying to say,

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is like, what are those four to six place look
like when we haven't seen him in the past, you know,
and and uh, hopefully they work out in a positive way.
From I mean is exciting. I mean, is it because
there's some new newness. I mean, he's Colln's obviously very young,
comes you know, Boise State and obviously spending time here
in the league. Like it. It feels like there's like
a little bit more of a creative look at some

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of the same things you've been trying to do. Yeah,
and I mean you know some of them are uh,
sample sizes of it, you know. I mean you're not
get seeing a ton of it at different times. And
I think it's all gonna involve. It's always evolved. And
you look what Andy Reid's done with that offense in
Kansas City. So um, I think it helps when you
have really good players. And then it starts with Dock's ability.
I think he's just at another level with the throwing

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of the football and how he's creating these plays because
you start throwing in his own reads and now our
pos and bootlegs outside of the pocket. But then also
you you know, Mary Cooper has been great in the
quick game. I mean it's a hard matchup and one
on one, so I mean all that kind of come together.
I think it's a powerful offense. But you can't just
rely on Oh we're good up front, we're gonna win it,
and Zeke's gonna carry us there. I mean, certainly, Zeke's

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a huge part of that. But um, that's what you're
trying to figure out. Speaking of speaking of Zeke. Um,
obviously not your first camp, so not your first Dallas
Cowboy camp with a whole or with contract discussions. Does
it in any way invade the meeting rooms that like
all of this other talk, because I'll just tell you,

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like Twitter, airwaves and what we do, it's all we
talk about. What about within the insular world of the
Dallas Cowboys, do you guys hear talk about it? Very little?
Does it affect your team? I mean, I think this
team is unique and that guys genuinely care about others.
I mean, you know, obviously players want to get see
other players get paid and work out. Um, you know,

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it really hasn't been. It's been a non issue for
football team. I mean, first off, I think camp's a
time of individually what can I improve on? Collectively what
can we improve on? And you know that's lingering out
there and it's going through But I don't know, I
just maybe it's just my confidence in this organization, Like hey, look,
when they have a really good player and they say
they want to try to get something done, it usually

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works out. And you know, it just makes sense. I mean,
Zeke wants to be here, they want him hear um.
You know, at some point it doesn't need to happen,
you know what I mean, Like the further longest goes.
I mean, I think we all need reps and no
matter what kind of training, not trusted. Zeke's doing a
lot of good training. There's nothing like playing football. And
uh so you hope it's sooner than later. But really

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it's been a non issue for our football team. And
I think that starts with just kind of who those
guys are. They're a big part of our team. I mean,
nobody love us playing and practicing like Zeke does, you know,
I mean Dax here, Mari, how they approach itself, it
kind of been a non issue for us, and and
I think this team, when you play for this organization,
you know, it's the bright light. If you get caught

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up in little thing that happens, I mean, you're never
going to accomplish what you hope to. And I mean
he's a huge part of this football team. Last thing,
How likely is this your last training camp? Oh? I
don't know. I mean I think at this point, you know,
it's I didn't when I came back. I never said, Okay,
I'm playing one year if we win the Super Ball
and don you know, like that's not entered my mind.
I mean have truly going back to the money Night football,

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I never even thought about broadcasting, you know, just like, Okay,
you know in real time, it happens, happens, like I
gotta take this exactly, and I think of people would
probably do the same exact thing. Yeah. Um, but so look,
nobody's standards from myself or higher than what I put

(25:43):
on put on me, you know. And I think when
you approach it that way, it's like you're gonna know
when it's time, you know. And it's like, as long
as I can play at a high level, and that's
a good question, you know, will you be able to
perform at that level? I hear that a lot, and
it's like, well, I'm trusting myself that I'm putting in
that work that's gonna allow me to be six that's
one in that situation. So very much could be my

(26:03):
last training camp. But also, you know, I could keep
it going. But regardless, UM, I really try not to
think about that. You know. It's like, hey, go enjoy
the day after you've gone through what I've been through
as far as like retiring and then coming back. You know,
just if there's one thing, it's it's kind of keep
playing grass, you know, and I don't worry about all
the other things going on. Just keep playing grass, and

(26:25):
if you do that, the weeds will disappear. Jason Witten,
Dallas Cowboys Back in the Star. Thanks so much all
I appreciate it. Be sure to catch live edition so
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(26:52):
the Doug gott Leap Show. All right, Dan BYO when
he got my friend Doug. The game today is one
of the chances, one of the chances, Doug, that Denk
Prescott gets his contract before Ezekiel Elliott. I think pretty good,
I would say. In the seventy variety. I think he'll

(27:13):
be rewarded for being here. I think he'll be rared
because he's the Cowboys quarterback. I think that was always
part of the plan to get the deal done. I
think chance he gets done first. All right, we'll keep
on the Zeke theme of this. What are the chances
that Ezekiel Elliott leads the NFL in rushing again? Has
done it too out of the last three seasons, Um,

(27:38):
I think uh, I think in the in them I'm
gonna go. I was gonna throw a bunch of scenarios
because obviously, if he missed missed the game, it's hard.
It's not impossible if he missed the game, because even
if he played, you know, you could have you could
play fifteen games or something, right, Yes, play fifteen games

(28:00):
and sit out that last game getting ready for the playoffs.
So it's not impossible. Um, I've told you before. I
think Christian McCaffrey has has a chance. I think Levian
Bell they're gonna use then you use him a ton obviously. Um,
the Giants, even though the Giants feel like they'll be
behind a lot, they've shown the youth. They'll you say,
kue Barkley like I and maybe there's probably one or

(28:20):
two others were not thinking of that would be in
that conversation. But look, there's not allowed teams that are
committed to running the footballs das Cowboys are, and that
a lot of running backs is good as Zeke Elliott,
assuming he's back with the Cowboys and their offensive line
is pretty good shot. I'll say the NFL and rushing
last year in fifteen games, so at least he has
that going for him if he misses any regular season action. Okay, Doug,

(28:42):
what are the chances that these Dallas Cowboys that we
are at training camp right now win the NFC East.
I'm gonna say forty five let me guess. Let me
guess for the Cowboys, for the Eagles, and ten for

(29:06):
the Redskins. No, I would say about for the Eagles,
for the Cowboys and five for the Eagles, And I
have to just leave it up to the possibility, and
that may be high. That may be high, like I could.
I I just don't think the Redskins have a legit shot.
I just don't think the Giants have a legit shot.
But I have to give them some sort of percentage,

(29:26):
So maybe I'll go I'll creep you up to like
forty eight and then give it, you know, one percent Redskins,
point five percent Cowboys. Some news on the Giants. His
Golden Tad had his appeal denied, so you will have
to serve that four game suspension to start the season.
What are the chances, Doug, these Dallas Cowboys go to
Super Bowl fifty four. I'm gonna be there. Yeah, I'm

(29:48):
gonna go in the variety, which is a better percentage
than you would think. You know, you you have the Rams,
we went the Super Bowl. Obviously, you have I think
the the Vikings, the Packers, and the Bears are all
viable playoff teams. Um. I think in the NFC South

(30:08):
you have the Saints. Um, we'll see what happens to
the Carolina Panthers, and you have the Atlanta Falcons so
and then the San Francisco forty Niners like these are
all play teams with possibilities. Cowboys are probably the third
biggest favorite, you know, next to the Rams and Eagles.
And because of that, I would I would I would

(30:29):
put them a yeah. I mean this this division is
going to be a two team race. But I don't
think anybody would be shocked. I don't think anybody would
be shocked if both Dallas and Philadelphia represent and then
the other three divisions concert out the other four spots.
All right, So the Cowboys this weekend we'll be traveling
to Hawaii to take on the Los Angeles Rams. We'll
be wrapping up training camp here on Thursday in Oxnard. So, Doug,

(30:52):
what are the chances that the Pro Bowl ever returns
to Hawaii? And there was talking about the Pro Bowl
maybe being in Las Vegas in LA in future years
when the stadiums are done. But what about the Pro
Bowl ever going back to Hawaii. I'm gonna say ten
percent chance. It feels like it's I'm like, look, the
the NFL network is gonna be based in the new

(31:13):
l A Stadium. Vegas is going to have a stadium.
I I just it's it's logistically a lot to get
out there. The stadium hasn't been updated, you know, and
as much as it's a trip to Hawaii, like yeah, okay, um,
and look, they're hanging on by a thread. Just to
keep the Pro Bowl around. I think it stays around

(31:35):
because people still do watch it, but it is not
nearly what it used to be or how it used
to beat up. So I would say I would say
ten percent chance. I think this is the way to
go about it. As well as the Cowboys and Rams
will be playing preseason football there. Yeah, I think that
this is a really really smart way to go And
it comes to UH getting football at least on the islands,

(31:57):
if you will. And that's game time. Game. This is
game time on the Duck Gotlib Show. Doug Gotlib Show
rolls on here on Fox Sports Radio, and uh, let's
catch up with one of the star offensive lineman from
UH from from the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, last year

(32:21):
he was suffering from alert neurological disorder and now he's
back and fully healthy and he's Travis Frederick. He joins
us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports trading. Hey,
feeling I'm doing well? How are you guys? Take me?
Take me through kind of this journey for you. It's
been a long journey, very interesting. You know. It starts
from figuring out what's going on and um, kind of
falling into into it and then trying to get better

(32:41):
from it and recover from it. And um, it's been
a lot of time spent you know in the weight
room and that getting ready there, but also you know
in the meeting rooms trying to help the guys out
and and that, and then uh to come back to
training camp, trying to figure out how to play ball again.
You you mentioned the weight room and trying to get
back to where you needed to be. What was to
How bad was it when you first got back after it? Oh,

(33:04):
I mean from the beginning, it was like it was
very bad. Like I was having a hard time walking
without along lifting weights. So um, getting back in the
weight room, trying to do things. You know, you're you're
lifting weights that I could have lifted when I was
ten years old. Um, but you just kept pushing on
it and pushing on it and taking what was you know,
what was given and as my body was recovering, just
taking a little bit more and then you know, getting
back to full strength. When was the moment where where

(33:26):
you think where you were really this is going to
because everybody and I like you, look, you want to
push yourself if not for an indomitable will, right not
unless you had that belief in yourself that you could
come back. But there had to be a moment of
affirmation wasn't there where You're like, oh, this is this
is gonna be okay. Things started to really take a
turn right around Bye week last year. Um, you know,
I was kind of in a dark hole for a

(33:46):
while there, but um, the recovery started and uh, it
started to make some bigger, sign more significant gains. And
I think that was the moment when I knew that
I was at least going to get close back to
full strength. Travis Frederick joining us Doug Oti Show. You're
on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, So what's what's this
group like as opposed to previous groups you've played with.

(34:07):
You know, this is a great group of guys, and
I'm really excited to be with him. Um, not only
from a team aspect, but offensively and as an offensive line.
You know. Um, I've been really pleased with the with
the work that the offense has done, you know, with
coach Moore coming in making a few changes, um and
getting that all figured out. The install has been clean,
it's been good, and guys have really focused in on
it and and and try to take advantage of those changes. So,

(34:29):
you know, I'm excited to get out there, you know,
in the regular season and get moving with it. Is
it is it challenging at all to not have your
running back? You know, I think that most of our
system is very similar to what we had been doing
before that. The changes are you know, schematically, bigger fixtures,
type of stuff. So a lot of the stuff is
the same, and so our job in as an offensive
line is to block it a certain way, no matter

(34:51):
who the runner is, no matter who the quarterback is,
no matter what is going on in the wide receiver
position as well. So for us, it doesn't really change
anything at this point. You mentioned Kelly More. You have him,
he's younger, but he's also a former quarterback. Does that
change in terms of his ability to understand what you
have to do and how each place should be blocked. Yeah,
it's it's really interesting seeing the perspective from somebody that's

(35:13):
that's been in it and seen it like that. Um
and And very recently as well. You know, it was
just a couple of years ago. I was sitting on
the bench next to him, and so that's always a
that's a fun thing that you know, we've seen the
game together. He was played quarterback behind me, So we
have an idea, UM and Or on the same page.
And so when you have that sort of fresh experience,
I think that that really helps in connecting with the quarterback,

(35:34):
connecting with the young offense, and knowing the challenges of
today's you know, NFL. What about the challenges of the
fact that you did play together, right, Like, he he's
I'm not necessarily your boss, but he is telling you
what to do, and you you're like, look, we're contemporaries.
What about that challenge? You know, it's interesting, Um, but
it's also it's it's kind of a weird dynamic because

(35:55):
you know, in the NFL, it's different than colleges. If
in the high school, when you're in high school, the
coaches is the end all be all. When you're in college, Uh,
the coaches the boss and and and that's kind of
that way here. But also, um, it really is a
team effort at all points. You know, the coaches have
have a specific job, the players have a job, the
staff people having a job, the executive have a job.
But we all feel like we're really on the same

(36:15):
team and trying to work together. And I think, uh,
coach Moore, it's done a great job of sort of
embracing that and doing it as a team taking input
from the offensive line. He travel, why don't we block
it this way? Or what do you think about this?
And I'll tell him, well, here's our challenge. We'd be
happy to do it, and however you want to do it.
But this is the implication of of that change. And so, um,
just by being able to have that conversation, it allows
us to sort of expand and um, think about things

(36:38):
in a different way. Last thing, Uh, you know, we
talked with with about about Dak and I asked about
the difference and you know, not being here last year
and and how much he's changed. Similarly for you, obviously
with all of your challenges last year, it was time
away from playing with him. How is he different? How

(36:58):
is he better? Is he worse in comparison to last
time you're in training camp with him? You know, it's
hard for me to evaluate a quarterback on the quarterback position, um,
but what I can evaluate is the way that he
leads the team, the way he carries himself, UM, the
way that the offense runs while he's in there, and
all of those things seemed just so much more comfortable.
And uh, you know, um, all the gears are all

(37:20):
sort of going in the same direction um, where sometimes
you know with younger guys, you know, it might be
skipping a beat every once in a while. And I
think that things have really he's really settled into the
offense and feels really comfortable with it, and you know,
it was it was really interesting for me to see
him grow last year. You know, I was kind of
on the sideline, but I was still in it. I
was um as involved as you can be for not

(37:40):
being being out there on the field, and UM to
see him grow um and be able to handle some
of the protection stuff and see a little bit more
what the offensive line is seeing because I wasn't out
there handling it. UM. I think that that really helped
bridge the gap too, between the quarterback and offensive line.
And I think that as an offense, UM, he's done

(38:00):
a good job of bringing everybody together really quickly. Did
you play the backup lineman played like sixty two snaps?
Did you play against against the uh Niners? Yeah? I
played just that first series. What's it? What's it like
to get back out there. Oh, it's great. I mean,
that's a great feeling after everything I've been through to
be able to go back out there and play football professionally.
Is It's a really special deal. Welcome back. Obviously a

(38:21):
huge part of what the Cowboys do and want to
do this season. Thanks so much for joining us. Yeah,
thanks for having me, Travis Frederick back. Uh where Wow,
amazing considering the journey from last season. Since the Doug
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(39:46):
We talked with Jason Witten and Travis Frederick already. If
you missed either of those two conversations, either of those two, um,
what you should do is download the Doug Gottlieve Show
at any time but iTunes download wherever you download podcasts.
Uh and Layton Vanderesh is going to join us next hour,
So more to Dallas Cowboys to come through here. But

(40:07):
Jason went was great, so too was Travis Frederick. Both
weren't here last year, so to get their perspective as
cowboys who were not in camp last year is kind
of fascinating. And it does feel like a calmer camp
last year if you remember, Uh, No Frederick, that was
an issue. No Jason Witten, and it felt like there
was a new guard kind of taking over, and it

(40:29):
might have been too much too soon. It might have
been too much too soon. And obviously the offense got
off to its struggles with offensive line inadequacies, not a
breakthrough wide receiver, and it hurt at times. Zeke's production.
Dek Prescott struggled. Then they added to Marii Cooper and
they seemed to take off. Now you bring back Jason Witten,
you bring back Travis Frederick, and you feel like you're

(40:50):
fully healthy. Uh, there are if if Zeke ultimately ends
up in camp or only ends up in Cowboys uniform,
this is a loaded, loaded team. Um now they it's funny.
Jason went was talking about his first game for Monday
Night Football was the Rams versus the Raiders, and last
year the Raiders Week one of the season, they just

(41:11):
traded away Khalil Mack and what they get in return
draft picks and draft picks school are, but also cap
space to eventually trade and sign an extension for Antonio Brown.
Antonio Brown is back in camp today. His feet are
still sore, but he's back in camp today. But the

(41:31):
bigger story is that he's apparently looking for a special
edition two thousand ten helmet right now. And I'm understanding
of guys, are you know with baseball players your glove
or your mit, Like there's a certain special relationship there
if your mid goes missing, like man, I gotta break

(41:52):
into a whole new one your bat. I mean, we
remember from the natural wonder Boy. You know, everybody's kind
of got that special. But to do, in fact break
in football, like the one piece of equipment outside of
your cleats that you that you take, actually the one
that you take with you every year, is in fact
your helmet. You get a helmet, you kind of fall

(42:13):
in love with it, you break it in, It smells
like you. It's very kind of personal. But as the
NFL continues to evolve and has this helmet policy in
certain helmets you know, are illegal, this just feels like
the most insanely stupid fight of all time. I just
can't imagine what the arbitrator had to do, like to

(42:33):
just okay, am I getting made by the hour? All right,
let's hear all sides. If you're not, if you're getting
paid by the case, then you're like, wait, you want
to use a helmet that's ten years old? That's illegal?
That everyone else has moved on from because why right, Well,
because I don't want to. I'm a creature of a

(42:54):
habit like we're trying to. This is the old Seinfeld, right.
The idea of the helmet law is to protect a
brain that's function so poorly it doesn't know it needs
to be producted. The idea that Antonio Brown's brain is
is is working so poorly he doesn't know that he
need might need the helmet that would cut down on
the concussions. He's just bizarre. Now does it speak to

(43:19):
football culture maybe a little bit. Does it speak to
wide receiver culture maybe a little bit, right, Like with
these guys, I mean they have more kneepads in years
and so to them, they're like, look, I don't wear knepads,
just spos to wear naepads. I don't have to wear
a helmet with that. That your helmet. I'm wearing a helmet.
I'll do that. I'll sign a waiver. Like, no, that's
not really how it works, because waivers don't actually protect

(43:40):
businesses from anything. You guys, have you studied that in school?
If you sign a waiver for one of those trampoline
parks and then you go and you break your leg
at a trampoline park, you can still see the trampoline park.
And when waivers don't really protect you from anything, just
like there are most people were driving and going like yeah,
I actually know that. That's why you don't even think

(44:01):
twice when you sign a waiver, like yeah, here we
go waiver except for apparently the Apple waiver, which it
works both ways. It doesn't protect you and doesn't break
protect you from them either way. So but I think
this weekend was a win for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So win,
this whole thing has been a win for the Steelers

(44:23):
because instead of talking about Derek Carr, instead of talking
about their offense, instead of talking about they're talking about
Antonio Brown, and they're all tired of talking about it.
This is the in the the classic Dictionary definition of
I don't know, he's kind of a distraction. I give
you Antonio Brown shows up in a hot air balloon

(44:43):
kind of a distraction, can't perform early in training camp
because the blisters on his feet kind of a distraction,
and then sue the league for the right to use
the helmet that they deemed the legal kind of a
distraction and it doesn't mean that he can't play. He's
a tremendous player. But this is the reason the Steelers

(45:05):
are like, we're good, we'll take the cap hit. We're
just kind of done. It's just it's enough. Anyone's had
a girlfriend who's like that right where it's just too
much or the boyfriend that's just just too much. That's
Antonio Brown, super talented. But and then you get the

(45:26):
stories of distracting meetings, shows up, late, feet are hurt,
helmet issues. Here's Antonio Brown today when asked about his feet.
We're working towards you know, it's been a process with
the feet anytime. You know, you've got a lot of blizzards,

(45:47):
and you know it's hard to change the direction of
cutting run and be able to do what I do
not Actually, yeah, we're we're aware, we are aware. So
he just he just looks like such a dope, right,
Like there's things to stick your flag in that you
want to you want to stand by as this is
who I am and this is what I'm about and

(46:09):
this is what I stand for. But standing for dated
apparel that may not be as safe as the newer
version just I just feels idiotic, like it's on. It's
you know, sometimes we talk about how how it's not
really brave too to be anti cancer, right, Like, who's

(46:32):
there's never been anybody who's pro cancer or to be
um anti sexual assault or anti harrassment, right, there's never
been somebody's like oh yeah, like no, that doesn't actually exist.
But I mean the idea that you're pro dated helmet
so much so that you're supposedly willing to retire over,

(46:54):
which was laughable. Right, that's not even like like that's
not even a good You don't have any friends. That's
somebody without any friends. What are you gonna do if
they make you wear the helmet? I'm going to quit? No,
what are you really gonna do? No, I'm going to quit. Dude,
you gotta throw out something they might believe. Right. It's

(47:17):
like even Dak Prescott asking for forty million dollars. It
seems unbelievable. It seems unbelievable, but it's not not crazy
to believe. Not crazy because look, the salary cap is
going up. He is the starting cowboy quarterback for the
Dallas Cowboys. Joe Flacco got overpaid when they want a
Super Bowl, it's not crazy to believe it is literally

(47:39):
insane to believe, insane to believe that he would have
gotten away with wearing that helmet for even one moment.
And I just you're sitting there at the Pittsburgh Steelers
and you're laughing and smiling and tapping each other up,
going see I told you so. Think about this. The
two prodised stars, the super talented skill position guys from

(48:05):
the Pittsburgh Steelers, one that never played last season and
went to the Jets, was signed to such a bad contract,
even it was below his asking price, such a bad contract,
the general manager was fired weeks later. And the other one, well,
the other one has caused a three ring circus in
Oakland with a hot air balloon, blistered feet, and some crazy,

(48:31):
completely unbelievable stance about a dated and frankly dangerous helmet
to where that he said he wouldn't play again. Then
he lost in court, and suddenly he's playing again. Nothing
like being a Pittsburgh Steeler day, laughing, smiling and understanding.
They're talented, but they're collective pains in the Assas Peter

(48:52):
King said yesterday in his Football Morning in America column,
that Ben Roethlisberger has never been happier in training camp.
And now I think all of you see why. It's
not anyone kind of one big thing. It's just little
tedious things. Right. It's just Levan not showing up for
O T A s. And Antonio Brown not not paying

(49:15):
attention to any meetings and having blistered feet like these
things if you've ever worked with super talented people, especially
when they get to new places, like that's the other
thing about staying in Pittsburgh. When you're in Pittsburgh and
you've been there for six seven years, they lets you
get away with you know, I know Antonio kind of
sleeps through meetings, but he always shows up on Sunday. Right,

(49:37):
You go to a new place and you gotta establish
a reputation. And now the reputation you've established as somebody
who doesn't show up on time, not engaged in meetings,
not ready to play because of his feet, sitting at
a training camp for some stupid reason about some stupid helmet.
It's all about him. And when you don't have sweat
equity with guys, when you haven't been through the trenches,

(49:58):
when you haven't gone to the playoff, when you haven't
made the big catches in traffic. When you haven't fought
through adversity together, it ends up derailing a relationship for
whatever gets on a way yes, rhyme music. So, according
to um Michael Gelkin of the Las Vegas Review Journal,
the HBO and NFL films have told him that it

(50:19):
will include something regarding Antonio Brown's helmet and his feet.
So I want to ask you and Dan, is this
going to be just a small portion of Tonight's Hard
Knocks or will they actually sort of dive in and
give it more than like a you know, a three
or four minutes segment of the entire show. It feels

(50:40):
like it has to be a big part of Hard Knocks,
because otherwise why would he have done it? Like I
don't even think this is a good reality show, but like, look,
I don't watch Bravo and and what's the other one
that has all the has all what's the one that
has all the e that has all the reality? The
Desperate Housewives? Right, they get an arguments about stuff, You're like,
why are they are? Why are they yelling at each other?

(51:01):
Or dinner they're throwing you cocktail napkins at each other
And because Doug it matters, okay, right, So Bravo Contic
gets go on sale today. Believe I believe? So. Uh.
There was an HBO tweets sent out showing them editing
tonight's episode today, and it showed Antonio Brown's number eighty four.
But as we watch Hard Knocks, it's always thought to

(51:23):
believe from last week leading up all linear in the timeline,
I'm wondering how much they actually could follow him behind
the scenes. We did see him at his own we
did see that swimming stuff, but all the stuff that's
at at camp, he wasn't there, So I don't know
how much they can follow they can or they will
do with them. I think we'll get a really a

(51:43):
better sense for how real this is based upon how
much they followed him. Well. To to Dan's point, if
I guess what I'm looking for is not necessarily how
much are they going to actually feature Antonio Brown, especially
since we know he wasn't around at camp, But how
much are they going to have up featured from inside
the meetings of them at least like Gruden and Mayock

(52:04):
having to talk about it or you know, something to
that regard, because like that's what we saw with the
Browns was they actually had stuff with meetings between Hugh
Jackson and Todd Haley and Greg Williams and sort of
the clash there. So I'm wondering if we're going to
get that, like, are we gonna get uh, you know,
five or six minutes of them in a meeting where
they're like, dude, whereas Antonio well, I don't know, he's
still dealing with his helmet. Well, are we going to

(52:26):
see the end of this, Like, are we actually gonna
see that or is that going to be something that
they're just gonna mention like, oh, he's not here today
and then move on. And j Abram, I don't think
there's anything anyway they don't They don't move on. This
has been the story of their camps, been the biggest
story of their camp, you know, So I don't think
there's any way they move on from it. I think
they'll they'll do some Derek probably some Derek Carr, what's

(52:47):
his reaction to not having his guy. I think there'll
be some more Jonathan Abram, you know, I think Abram
hopefully not, Like can you imagine watching that if you're
Jonathan Abram's like parents or or his friends like, dude,
you just do you did you watch it? Do you
know how you come across like you kind of come
across like a complete jerk. No, it's like that. It's like,

(53:09):
it's like, okay, and I'm sure tis he's He probably
thought in his mind, I'm going to create this image.
I'm on a TV show now, But like everybody watches
it and no one's no one's like I like that guy.
That guy I like. Whereas generally that's how we feel
about about football players when we come out of hard knocks,
most guys we end up really liking. He's the he

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was the first round to that we didn't know. To
be honest, we knew about Jacob's, we knew about furl
but we didn't know who was the third first round
that they had. Oh now we know when we're already
some guy from Mississippi State who who apparently likes to
hit people, even his own teammates. They'll definitely go back
to that and see if he gets hit when they
go you know, when they go full full pads, as

(53:55):
some of the offensive guys said, you know, wait to
wait till we get to get full pads. Well, if
nothing Santonio Brown has us watching. I just if you're
gonna throw out something about retiring and then you, I mean,
you don't even come close to following up on it.
Like now, there's there's no sort of negotiation ever for him.
He can't once you do the retire thing though, I'm

(54:15):
a retire and they're like, Okay, well you gotta wear
the helmet. Okay, I'm gonna show a practice like that
was not. I just I'm you're sitting there going. This
is why Roethlisberger is happy. This is why they gave
their head coach an extension. This is why the Pittsburgh
Stealers feel like they're better, even if they might not
be as talented. I know exactly when the Giants move

(54:35):
on from Eli and Daniel to play Daniel Jones. I'll
tell you when it'll happen next. Be sure to catch
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You're on Fox Sports Radio and uh I was hosting

(54:56):
The Herd on Friday, so we talked a little about
Daniel Jones playing well on Thursday. I know they talked
about it here on my show. Uh was it too,
was Dan Buyer, and um, Bucky Brooks rights and and
and I'll be fascinated to hear what but Bucky said.
But you know, like look, almost every quarterback outside of

(55:17):
Dwayne Haskins really seemed to look good in in the preseason,
in in game one because oh, look, it's an offense
driven league and defenses are really running rudimentary stuff, not
not scouting, and you have kind of a plan. Hey,
here's some plays that work for this guy. Really easy reads.
Let's get rid of the football quickly and look good.
So Daniel Jones looking good. I mean, it's amazing, It

(55:39):
really amazing that you go from Daniel Jones being booted
the Yankees game earlier in the week to being cheered
lustily because Eli had one bad drive. Daniel Jones, who
everyone thinks David Gettlman swung and missed on suddenly now
is the you know, red shirting freshman quarterback who they
don't want to pull off red shirt. That's really what

(56:00):
it is. Here's John Marray, who's the owner of the
New York Giants, earlier today on their quarterback situation. Hope
has a great year in Daniel never sees the field.
I mean, I that would be in an ideal world
that you'd like to see that so um, But again
it's um. At the end of the day, it's going
to be a decision by the head coach has to win,
you know, or if Daniel ends up playing this year,

(56:23):
which I guess it is somewhat true, right, I mean,
but they're not gonna pull Eli Manning unless they have
the complete support of ownership. Here's their schedule. They take
on the Cowboys on the road. They have the Bills
at home. They go to the Tampa Buccaneers. They have
the Redskins at home, the Vikings at home. They go

(56:43):
to New England and take on uh the Patriots before
bye week. Then they have Arizona at home, the Giants,
the Lions on the road, the Cowboys at home. They
play the Jets. They play in Chicago against the Bears,
the Packers at home, the Eagles on the road, and

(57:04):
late in the year Miami at home. They go to Washington,
they go to in at Philadelphia. Like, look, if they're competitive,
Eli will stay. This won't be a far to Roger's
situation where he sits for three years, especially with how
contracts are now. But the only way you'll see Daniel
Jones this year is if Eli is as bad this

(57:27):
season as Peyton was in his last season. And that's
a distinct possibility, right Their wide receiving corps, their offensive
line not great. Uh, they do want to run the
football a ton. They'll probably try and shorten the game.
Maybe that keeps them and their schedules not difficult because
they're playing a last place schedule. Like all these things
are working for them. But if things are really bad,

(57:48):
you know, you probably the those last three games of
the year, Dolphins at home at Washington, Eagles at home,
especially if the Eagles are you know, if they're already
in the playoffs, they're not playing there now. The Ones. Anyway,
it feels like we know how this is going to go,
and I think the best way to visualize it is

(58:08):
Daniel Jones is the freshman. They would like to keep
mon red shirt, but they they'll they'll reserve the right
to break glass if and only if there is an emergency,
and losing to the Cowboys on the road is an emergency.
But the Bills at home, the the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
you start to pile up losses and and now maybe

(58:30):
there's a discussion yes Ryan Music. So really you're only
expecting to see Daniel Jones once the Giants are more
or less out of the playoff picture, maybe not officially, officially,
once it seems like the season's lost. Would you think
that the Giants are really secretly hoping for almost like

(58:51):
a Chiefs Alex Smith Patrick Mahomes type situation where they
almost still get into the playoffs, but then eventually it's
like ELI doesn't quite have it at the end, so
they kind of stay competitive, they kind of stay relevant,
but then they're not totally awful, and they can still
move on from him at the end of the year.
Wouldn't that be like the perfect situation for them. Yeah,
The one difference is that that Alex Smith, they were good,

(59:13):
and obviously Alex Smith wouldn't throw the ball downfield, but
Alex Smith wasn't a lifer with the Chiefs, so it
was easier to move on from right, whereas this guy's
won two Super Bowls. Alex Smith never got to Super Bowl,
So that's the part that makes it makes it hard.
I also think that Eli is better than what Peyton
was when he fell off like Peyton couldn't throw the
ball period, and Eli's not there. Eli actually had the

(59:36):
fewest interceptions that he's had in a while last year,
and through from more yards and he had in the
previous three seasons. I'm sure Sae Kwon Barkley helped with
some of that, but it wasn't a bad year for Eli.
And that's what I think makes it so difficult is
that it's not that he's he's horrible, and it's not
that he's Drew Brees falling off of a cliff or

(59:58):
or a Peyton Manning falling off of the cliff. It said,
he's good enough where you and Daniel Jones maybe isn't
as much of a must have at that point. That
puts you in this gray area where you're like, gee,
I don't know how do we work this. It's it's
they're both kind of like Eli isn't as bad as
I mean, he's not great. Actually the decent season last year,

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and it's tough to be like, Okay, we want to
move on to now this guy who we also aren't
necessarily completely sold on, at least early on in his career.
I think that's what makes it difficult. I I would agree.
I would say that the stats don't necessarily the stats
kind of belie the fact that ELI struggle when they
when they were bad. You know, it's like late in

(01:00:39):
the you can put up stats on a bad team,
especially at quarterback, right like you can get back there
and throw a ton. And I don't think there's anybody
would say that he had a good year. Um, he
had some good and he had some better moments, and
he seemed to as the offensive line got better, he
also got better. That's a big thing for Eli because
he's selling mobile and he does traditionally hold the football

(01:01:00):
longer than something he's you know, the thing about Brady
is Brady has always gotten rid of it super quickly.
Eli has not. He's always been more of a downfield thrower.
Now he's kind of learning to get rid of it
a little bit quicker. So I would hedge somewhere in between.
He he wasn't he wasn't great, and he was okay.
I think he had pretty much kind of an okay season.
Didn't get off to a great start. Yeah, And I

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think that's the point, Like, like Manning was done, the
Chiefs are ready to move on because they knew that
they had something special. And with Eli and Jones, it's
just kind of all the way up. They're not convinced
either way on either of them. They're not totally That's
what you're saying is they're not totally convinced Eli is

(01:01:42):
completely done, and they're also not totally convinced that Daniel
Jones is ready to step in and just play. They
also say they're not convinced, but that doesn't mean that
they're not convinced, you know what I mean. So, um,
I think they're they're more convinced than they think. That's
why they drafted the Air Apparent again. Dream scenario. He
plays well, they're about five and they never have to

(01:02:05):
play him. Maybe he has a mop up duty to
a couple of different moments in the season. And I
actually think the Giants, I mean, to go from a
pick that was so clowned, so openly panned two now
where people are like, hey, you know, it might not
have been the worst pick in the world is just
an amazing overreaction that speaks to what one, how much

(01:02:25):
we don't know about players and a drafted and too
preseason football is not necessarily to determine into how good
and how confident somebody actually is at what they do.
We don't really know what we're watching. Kind of collectively,
be sure to catch live editions, So the Doug Dot
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How we feel about Andrew Luck right now? What do

(01:02:47):
you think music thinks here he's injury prone? I wouldn't
say injury prone, um, because you know you and you've
talked about this before. You know, injury prone is someone
kind of like Derrick Rose, where you know you're just
trying to make athletic moves and you keep retearing ligaments
in your knee or rolling ankles or things like that.

(01:03:09):
With Andrew Luck, I'm not sure he's injury prone. I mean,
he had that shoulder injury. But I mean, if you're
taking a hit in football and you tear a ligament
in your shoulder and then you know, who knows what's
happening with this? My issue with Andrew Luck is if
it was just the shoulder, or if it was just
this current calf injury or whatever he's going through now,

(01:03:31):
independent of one another, then you're not as worried. But
when it becomes a shoulder injury, and then now he's
dealing with the calf injury, and then if during the
season he has a quad You know, as the injury
stack up, the more concerned you are that he will
be one of those quarterbacks that makes it to thirty six, seven,
thirty eight, as opposed to someone who was just really
good but had to retire at thirty four because his

(01:03:53):
body couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, I mean, look, I
think that's a reasonable thing, reasonable thing to think. I
think it's interesting on how much people are are discussing
the Achilles tendon, which make I mean, like, here's what
Jimmer say said. I know everyone's had their questions about
Andrew that sort of thing. I really feel confident that
he's going to find his way through this thing. I

(01:04:14):
think the Kevin Durant thing, everyone's aaron inside of caution,
but quite frankly, it's not even achilles tendon. It's another area.
It's a bone. You know, I'm not good at these things.
It's a little bone. I guess My question is like,
I'm looking at the anatomy of the back of my
leg and I don't know what bone he could possibly
referring to. Um. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. Well,

(01:04:35):
I remember when I got my first medical degree before
I ended up specializing. Um no, I did see something.
I don't have it in front of me right now,
but um Dr David Chow on Twitter there was some
sort of symptom where and I'm not even gonna try
and pronounce the name, but basically he was saying that
you can develop an overgrowth of bone in your ankle

(01:04:59):
if it becomes a syndrome where if you keep dealing
with a lot of like inflammation and injury to the
same area, your body tries to heal itself by overgrowing
the bone. And so he what he said was like,
I don't have enough information, but that could be what
he's referring to. Isn't that the Colts? I mean they
lead the league in in worse not media handling of injuries.

(01:05:21):
Remember we were making such a big deal about Andrew
Luck and throwing the NERF football and what he's done.
But I mean, I don't think that was you thought
that was massively overdone. No, the point is that we'd
never seemed to know with that. We didn't really know
what's happening with Peyton Manning we didn't know what's happening
with Andrew Luck in his shoulder, and then all of
a sudden it ends up being way worse than we thought.

(01:05:42):
Or then Luck comes back last year and has a
magnificent year. They also actually have something on their side,
and that's their backup quarterback to Kobe prosett It's probably
one of the best in the league. So I'm not
saying that they that everything's gonna be fine. But if
this was another team they, I think that that you
would be much more worried about where they are going.

(01:06:03):
And with Andrew lux injury, Yes, I do think Jacobe
said is he's a good quarterback and so they will
be fine. Why but you know, they open up against
the Chargers on the road, right and for a team
that that went you know, for a team that that
improves so dramatically, uh, to not have him and and
how long this like this? You feel like they would

(01:06:25):
have figured this thing out a long time ago, right
this this is April. So I'm with you, guys. I
don't think this is I wouldn't calm injury prone yet,
but I do think ultimately this is the type of things,
you know, the thousand little cuts that can kind of
derail you. And it is weird that they keep mentioning
Achilles ten and stuff and now now a bone and

(01:06:47):
so you're talking, well, I thought it was your calf,
Now it's your ankle. And when you go calf to ankle,
that's when you get around that Achilles tenant. It's reasonable
for people to be concerned. And isn't that sort of
the same issue we've seen with Cam Newton, right, Like,
both Cam Newton and Andrew Luck were seen as like
these great, young, big body, big arm quarterbacks that we're

(01:07:12):
gonna you know, quote unquote take over the league and
be the next you know, Manning and Brady and you
know whatever sort of be the next young quarterbacks. And
it's almost like in a blink of an eye, they've
each had success. You know, Andrew Luck didn't, hasn't made
it to a Super Bowl, hasn't won an m v P.
But I think everyone agrees when he's healthy, he's one
of the top quarterbacks in the league. Cam Newton won
an m v P, did go to a Super Bowl

(01:07:33):
and lost. And now all of a sudden, they both
have injuries that are piling up. They're constantly having offseason surgery,
and now you you look at it and you're like,
they're not even like young quarterbacks anymore. And as many
injuries as they're dealing with, and they're getting closer to
thirty and early thirties, you find yourself going, will they
ever actually get the accolades we thought they once were,
Because then you look at the younger quarterbacks, you have

(01:07:53):
Carson Wentz, Patrick Mahomes. It's almost like that next generation
of quarterbacks are there to take over for them before
or even Brady and Breeze and Philip Rivers made their
way out of the league. Yeah, I just Cam is
different though. I mean, I get what you're saying, but
it's just he plays a different game than Andrew Luck. Yes, Now,
look they're both very mobile and they've both taken a

(01:08:15):
ton of shots. So that's what I would say. There's
a similarity, right, Yeah, but you're not running a zone
read with Andrew Luck. No, but Andrew Luck has clearly
been hit plenty. But you're you're you're right, Um, You're
you're absolutely right. I just I think the point you're
making is a good one. And the other instruting part
is that as much as all these rules are designed
to protect these players. Here, here's two guys that are stars.

(01:08:38):
One's been an m v P, one's been closed, and
they're still getting hurt. Like they can only do so
much to protect you, and those guys obviously are feeling
some of the bumps and bangs. I think he'll be fine.
I just do you know. I could be I could
be totally wrong. I think he'll absolutely be fine, and
I think the Chargers think he'll be fine, and it

(01:08:59):
it would, but it would help the Chargers if he
didn't play in that first game because they're not the
same team. Even if pre Set is a damn good
backup quarterback who could be a starter in a couple
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Guys and as I got up early, Dan Patrick's in
l A did their show lost freethroching contest. Mclovin pretty

(01:10:04):
embarrassed about that, then ran over and popped on Colin Show,
and Colin was ranting on his show about Sam Donald
and where he thinks he stacks up with the quarterbacks
drafted over the past three years. I think over the
next twelve years, I'm not a day trader. I don't
check my four oh one K regularly. I do not
time the stock market. Patrick Mahomes over the next twelve

(01:10:28):
years will be the best of all those quarterbacks. Sam
Donald will be the second best. But Colin last year
means nothing. Pro Football Focus the last month, the last
four games of last year, Sam Donald was the highest
graded quarterback in the league. With nothing to work with.

(01:10:54):
He is also the youngest Week one starter since the
NFL and a f L merged. He's a baby two
years younger than Baker, a lot fewer college starts. That's
why I don't care what happens in week two when
the Browns faced the Jets. I don't care what happens
in week six. I do think that the Ryan Khalil

(01:11:19):
thing should carry a little bit more weight. Now, obviously
he probably got top dollar from the Jets, but Khalil,
who's an SC guy, said specifically came out of retirement
because he wanted to play with Sam Donald. Like I've
I am yet to find anybody who has something negative
to say about Sam Donald. Like the only negative thing is, like, boy,
I wish he'd kind of hang in the pocket a

(01:11:40):
little bit longer. But then you look, when he was
at SC his second year, they didn't have a good
offensive line, and obviously they've struggled with the Jets. So
you liked the guy to set his feet more and
and and read progressions. But just the reality is that
he hasn't had the chance. Now, maybe they established bad
habits because of it, but I'm I've literally get to

(01:12:00):
talk to anybody goes like, hey, Sam Donald, don't like
him as a guy, everybody likes him as a player.
Everybody likes him. Now, we could have said the same
thing about Andrew Luck. Obviously he had injuries three years
in but had more success early on. Um, there's some
other guys who have had But I mean this one,
I actually agree with Colin. A lot of times we disagree, Colin,

(01:12:21):
I agree. I also think if you look at the
at the volume of guys have been drafted the last
two or three years, number three years cuts off Dak Prescott,
cuts off Jared Goff as well, cuts off a couple
other quarterbacks, cuts off Carson Wentz. So because these guys
have been a league a little bit longer. Um, I
think when when you look at these guys, there's a

(01:12:43):
lot of mrs, they're just are like I I think
Josh Allen, they'll be fine, but there's just some limitation
to what Josh Allen can do because he's just he's
just inaccurate. You know, they'll make it up for um
big plays and him running the football and them running
the football. But like Josh Allen, Mitch Stubinsky, I'm not
convinced m Robinsky long term is a great solution for

(01:13:04):
the Bears. They love him as a guy, they love
him as an athlete, a quarterback, like yeah, yeah, I
mean he had the benefit of the best defense in
league and couldn't win a home playoff game. Now you
could say the same thing about Golf two years ago
as well. Right, he had a great team and he
couldn't win a playoff game. But I do think Golf
is continue to evolve as a passer, and maybe that's

(01:13:26):
because we saw him in person. Say yes, they're music.
The interesting thing is when you talk about those teams
when they don't you know, they don't really they didn't
hit on as many draft quarterbacks as we thought. Is
we're waiting for the likes of you know, Tom Brady
to retire, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, some of these older

(01:13:47):
quarterbacks to finally age out. But you know, the Tennessee Titans,
we have no idea what they're gonna do with Marcus Mariotta.
And it's going to be one of those situations where
Mariota might be just average enough to where they're not
ready to commit to him long term. So maybe he's
a franchise tag guy. But also they may not totally
bought them out to where they're going to be at

(01:14:09):
the top of the draft to get someone like a
Justin Herbert or you know, any of these other quarterbacks
that are going to be available at the top of
this draft. So it's gonna be interesting, you know, santhing
with Jamis Winston, as Bruce arians able to resurrect him
and make him into the quarterback we thought he was,
or are they going to be in the quarterback market?
Who knows. I mean, this is going a little bit
further down the line, but like, who knows how long
Lamar Jackson's gonna last given that he loves to run

(01:14:30):
the ball and how many times he got injured last year.
So as much as we're looking for the older quarterbacks
to age out, the ones who did draft first round
quarterbacks are also going to be the ones that were
keeping an eye on who may have already admitted to
many mistake Dolphins. Obviously, the Raiders can get out of
the Derek Carr deal. Um, I mean, I think those
are the those are the two that kind of jump

(01:14:52):
out at you kind of early on. Um. Cincinnati's totem
it's at some point, although Cincinnati, you know, like Andy
Dalton's fine and are they really in are they so
bad that they can draft a quarterback? And is there
a quarterback there? But yes, I I talked about this
a little bit last year and a little bit in

(01:15:12):
the off season. Is that one of the things that Breeze,
Brady Rivers, Roethlisberger playing longer will do is potentially we
could get to a place where there's a greater volume
of quarterbacks in the lake. Again, you're still going to
have the limit trantations in terms of who the superstars
are and who the stars are, but in terms of

(01:15:33):
just good quarterbacks, I think that there's gonna be a
little bit of a backlog because there there are those
group of older guys that you know, I mean, Teddy
Bridgewater is a backup. Could he eventually get back to
being a starter? I think we have. It's it's one
of the things that the NFL could develop his more
depth at quarterback during this era where suddenly they've been
able to have some of those stars age. In a

(01:15:54):
weird way, it almost makes you appreciate Matthew Stafford in
a very weird way. But as you're saying you're talking
about all these guys that we don't know, and you're
talking about a one two pick with Winston and Mariota
and having there you know, Stafford has been good enough
to last as long as he has. As part of
this conversation, Shaun Watson's injury history, I think is the question.

(01:16:17):
But if you want to and I think and I
think Kenny evolve into an NFL reader thrower around the
in the red zone, he's good. There's still another layer
to get to that coming up next. Dak Prescott is
doing all the right things. That's why the Cowboys, even
though they don't have to pay him now, they might anyway.

(01:16:38):
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All of these teams have their own facilities, including the

(01:17:24):
Dallas Cowboys, who by all accounts have the nicest facility
in the country. The Dallas Cowboys have a place called
the Star where the facility is so nice. The state
championships for Texas high school football are played in their facility.
Like it's they have a stadium, they have practice deal,
they have training, they have everything. Everything. Now, there are

(01:17:47):
other reasons you come to California if you're the Dallas Cowboys.
Cowboys are America's team. It helps kind of spread their
brand if you know anything about kind of the demographics
of uh southern California, that they've always come out here.
They used to come to cal Lutheran, which is twenty
five minutes or so down the road over in Thousand Oaks,
closer to Los Angeles, but the Cowboys are such a

(01:18:09):
national brand that they like to show up in l
A because they'll have they have fans, and UM, this
location allows fans not just from the coastal cities like
Oxnard and from the valley, but also we're not too
far from Fresno where they can where where fans can
come down, and Bakersfield. And I'm that's a big cowboy country.

(01:18:33):
But I also think that and you guys can all
speak to this, right, how great is the weather? And
we take it for granted because we live here. We
we live here. Now you guys Ryane Music and Dan
Buy are you guys live in an area which is
a little bit warmer than here? For example? Right? So
like how hot is it where where you lived? Hundred?

(01:18:58):
So that's you're not not Dallas hot where it's a
hundred and the humidity is super high, but like here
and you only live like right, right, right, what I'm
gonna guess it's seventy five degrees at best, maybe seventy two.
It is. It is absolute perfection, right, Like if you could,

(01:19:20):
they call it Chamber of Commerce Day. Right, this is
the Chamber of Commerce Day. Not a golf course in
the world. I wouldn't love, man, this is the one
I'd like to get out and play at. So I
there is something that's spreading the brand. There is something
to the tradition they've always done it, but I also
think there's something to like, you know what, let's just
go somewhere with the weather is perfect every day, and
that's what you have here. They'll be hitting each other

(01:19:41):
a little bit. We already had who Jason Witten and
Travis Frederick On, two guys who weren't in training camp
last year. We'll have uh, We're gonna have uh Layton Vanderesh.
Layton Vanderesh gonna join us up coming in I don't know,
fifteen minutes or so. But it's interesting you watch the
practices and when we got here, they're going through walkthroughs

(01:20:05):
and they're running through what you would call dry offense
right eleven on eleven on nothing and his classic football
style where you have the entire team line up so
that we as media members can't see, like what am
I gonna jot down there? Their personnel groupings in their plays.
But if you watch them, Dak Prescott does have complete
command and control. Now I understand there's a difference in

(01:20:28):
quarterback and running back and how much a guy needs
to be involved in the day to day and Zeke
can probably show up and still catch up and do
his thing, rights still it just maybe called something different
than the new offense. But basically you can still show
up into his thing. I gotta tell you, though, Dak
has for the most part handled this thing perfectly. All Right, Yeah,

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I'm negotiating, but I'm still playing because I intend to
be the Dallas Cowboys quarterback for a long time. I
don't wanna give anybody else chance to be the Dallas
Cowboys starting quarterback. I'm gonna leave any doubt who the
leader is of this franchise, and that has value. In addition,
the fact that I played at under value and never complained,
that has value. He has never been a guy who

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complained about the offense, even though many people thought that,
um um, that the system last year was way too rudimentary.
Last couple of years, it's been criticised as way too rudimentary,
even if it worked for Tony Romo better than it
worked for him. It is. It's fair to say that
there has been uh, there was a Robberne's offense was
roundly criticized that time for just being too basic, and

(01:21:35):
it was the same thing year after year after year.
Scott lind A hand, Scotland hand, I'm sorry, um, Scott
lind Hand's offense, I Polo could catch. So now we
get to you have a new offense, and he's completely
all in. But I actually understand the Cowboys stands here.
The story yesterday was Dak Prescott wants forty million dollars. Now,

(01:21:58):
some of this isn't negotiate. You can't ever you're never
gonna add on, right, you can't go like, you know,
I really want like, uh thirty and they're like, well,
we're gonna pay you thirty two. So the thirties. Fine,
you asked for forty and they started thirty, and you
end up somewhere around thirty five. You asked for thirty

(01:22:19):
five and they started thirty, you end up at thirty
two five. Right, This is kind of basic negotiating one
O one. The Cowboys do have the power in that
they don't have to get a deal done. And I
wouldn't be forced into a bad deal. I would be
super creative and when he gets what he gets. And
I do think that as much as they're still room

(01:22:41):
for growth as a player. In talking to Jason Witten
and watching him and and how like he's the unquestioned
leader that that has value, intangibles have value. Um So
I think that ultimately the deal probably gets done, but
it might not get done till the season starts. And
I think Zeke makes it a little harder. I think

(01:23:03):
a Maori makes it a little harder. I think, uh,
you know, some of the defensive players need to get paid.
Makes a little harder. But I think for the most part,
Doc has handled this thing really really well. With exception
of boy, I'm not sure if I want that forty
to get out there. That's a big number. It's a
big number. That's when you start asking for It's like
when a guy asked for a hundred million dollars whatever reason.

(01:23:24):
A hunder million dollars sounds a lot more than dollars
when it's only one million dollars, only one percent more.
Forty million sounds like a massive number when you're still
kind of reacting to Aaron Rodgers getting thirty and Tom
Brady getting twenty three. And there is something too and
I look, the Cowboys want they are they forced to

(01:23:48):
pay him for playing undervalue, for being under paid for
what he was doing. No, but they on some level
want to make good on that. Additionally, what gms really
want is they really want cost certainty. They really want
to know if I want to keep Dak Prescott, how
much is it going to cost? How what percentage of

(01:24:09):
my books is going to quarterback, what percentage is going
to running back, what precentage go to wide receiver, what
percentage go to linebacker and defensive end? So that I
know that's why they want a little longer term deal.
And obviously you want team friendly deals. You want the
bill to get out of it, and the quicker and
easier you already get out of it, the more likely
are to pay upfront. Yes, they're right music if and

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I don't think it will come to this, but let's
say the Dak Prescott situation turns into a Kirk Cousins
situation where no long term deal gets worked out, and
then it's back to back franchise tags to where the
you know, they're forced to either come to an agreement
or they let him walk. Would you rather like one
extreme versus another? Would you rather pay forty million a

(01:24:54):
year for Dak Prescott or would you rather let him
walk in free agency? Well, you're not gonna let him.
He doesn't have to walk. No, I know, if if
it plays out to where they have to franchise tag
him back to back years. I don't. I again, you're
only gonna want to hold onto Dak Prescott if he's
really really good, right, But I know, And that's my
point is that's what makes this situation so interesting with

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where the Cowboys are at is a lot of these
other quarterbacks that you would pay big money for. If
it's like, would you rather pay forty million dollars or
let Aaron Rodgers walk, You're like, well, I guess I'll
have to pay him forty dollars. With Dak, you're much
more towards the end of I mean, I guess we'll
probably just have to let him walk, which is what
makes this negotiation so interesting because he was so underpaid.

(01:25:36):
But he also doesn't really quite fit into that category
that like, well, we should not just give him whatever
he wants because we're good with where we're at now. Yeah,
I'm I'm I'm with you. I look I like Dak Prescott.
I think he's fine. I think you're gonna win with him.
I'm not sure you can always win because of him.
I think it's tricky to with the fourth round pick
of saying that we we underpaid him because I think

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you can make an argument that Ezekie Elliott was under
paid for the three years that he's had on his
rookie contract. So now with him asking what he wants,
why do you think he was underpaid and he got
sixteen million in his first year. I'm just saying for
his value of his team of if if you were
to give Ezekiel Elliott a contract that paid him like
the top running back in the NFL, like he has

(01:26:19):
been the last three years, he would be making thirteen
million dollars per year. But he isn't because you drafted
him even though he was in the first round. That's
like where the rookie contract is. So with Doc, it's
like I get that he was a fourth round picking
that he was a value, but you shouldn't have to backtrack.
You shouldn't. You absolutely should not have to. But I
I think if you throw a little bit more money

(01:26:41):
and you go, like, look, most guys over achieve, it
doesn't really matter. Quarterback is a highest paid position on
the team, and you were literally you know, on the
other hand, like, let's not kid ourselves. It wasn't like
he tore up the world in his first two years.
He just didn't. They tried to. They tried to help him,
have him win games on his own his second year
because the suspension and he couldn't. Like, we're completely misremembering

(01:27:05):
Dak Prescott year one year too. You know where they
they they managed Dak Prescott managed him very much. And
there's also not a quarterback in the NFL, at least
on the books that is making forty million dollars a
year or will under the contract that they're currently at. Yeah,
I think I think forty is a crazy, crazy number.

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I thought that was a bad That's probably the first
bad play that they've made. And I would guess that
the Cowboys probably leaked that out there, not Dak Prescot.
Was one report that that the Cowboys like, man, he's
asking for forty and we're at thirty. And I would
guess they're not really at thirty because if they're at thirty,
he probably would have signed it already. I just I
think they're in the I would guess they were in

(01:27:49):
the twenties and they want to look like it was
thirty and when somebody dove deep, they're like, yeah, maybe
we can say it's thirty, Like, well, you know, he's
at forty, you know, to in public sentiment. Things only
get out when somebody's not happy. Otherwise, Carson Wentzon deal
got done, Nobody talked about it. Other deals get done, nobody,
Tom Brady was very very little conversation about it. Drew

(01:28:12):
Brees deal got where reworked, very little conversation. And the
only leaks out when somebody's unhappy. When they do, they
pick up the phone or they text somebody who can
leak the story out. That's generally the way it goes.
Do you think the Cowboys are sitting here hoping that
at some point Dak Prescott becomes maybe not as good
as Russell Wilson, but somewhat close to Russell Wilson because

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you've made this comparison before where when he was a
late round draft pick ended up being the starter, not
because of injury because he won the job outright, but
became the star because Matt Flynn also sucked. Right. I mean,
you're you're a Seahawks fan, that's a that's appropriate that
Matt Flynn was just he was really good and solid
and Matt Flynn was not. Yeah, Russ did take the

(01:28:53):
job like he really did, so Yeah, but I guess
my my point being, you know, they brought him along
very slowly when they were winning and going to Super
Bowls early on. It wasn't as if Russell Wilson was
throwing for yards the game nine nine games his first
year where he through for less than two hundred yards.

(01:29:14):
So do you think that And Russell Wilson was also
another guy who spent several years in college. It wasn't
like he played three years and then came out in
the draft early. So it's almost as if as Russell
Wilson got closer to the age of thirty, he became
much they became much more reliant on him. Do you
think that that's what the Cowboys are hoping for? Because
Dak Prescott also played four years in college and has
now been three years in the NFL, they're sort of

(01:29:35):
hoping like, hey, Russell Wilson came around to be a
guy that we could ride with around the age of thirty,
Maybe that's what we can get out of Dak Prescott.
Somebody's gonna have to tell me what I'm missing here
right this? Do you get just gonna have to tell
me what I'm missing? This is the second half of
the season. Everybody talks about how much better Doc was
last year second half of the season, you know, uh,

(01:29:58):
in terms of their offense and their turn around with
the Marie Cooper whatever. Um. They beat Jacksonville forty to seven.
He throws for a hundred and eighty three yards, two touchdowns,
own receptions. Game wasn't close. They play at Houston, remember
that defensive defensive battle. Eighteen for twenty nine two eight yards,
one touchdown, two interceptions against Detroit. Not a good team

(01:30:20):
does win a close game. Seven team for seven two
fifty five yards. Lose the Seattle on the road, hundred
sixty eight yards, two interceptions, lose the Carolina last game
of the regular season hundred and seventy yards. Get to
the playoffs. They did beat They did beat Seattle. Mark Cooper, Yeah,
which one was pre Mark Cooper? Oh, I'm sorry. Those

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are early in the years. My bad post a Mark Okay,
so post a mari Cooper. You know, obviously the numbers
take off, so to speak. He had the one big
game against Philadelphia four or fifty five yards. He had
one against the Giants end of the season. That's one
of the worst teams in football. But I mean, other
than that, it's still in the two yard, Like they're
not really a throw They weren't really a throwing team.
I know, and I'm I've been the one that look

(01:31:03):
at Zeke's numbers when Marie Cooper comes along, I mean,
if they're even better than than what they were, I mean,
it's that part is not put into like when you're
talking about contracts. It's they're an ensemble cast. They all
playoff and work together pretty well. Is Dak a top
five quarterback? No is Marie Cooper a top five wide receiver.
No Zeke is probably a top five, top five running back.

(01:31:26):
But but running back is not in the litany of
the most important things. It's not you combined all three
of those factors get there. Also, their offensive line got
healthy late in year to Tyrn Smith was all with injury.
So you put it all together, it's a damn good team.
And it's like, how do we relate to them that
they're they're better as one as opposed to one or

(01:31:46):
two of them getting paid and ultimately losing some other
smart piece. That's it shouldn't be that hard, but it is.
You know what this is, Like, this is like Mike
and Mike, right, why did Mike and Mike break up? Right?
Greenberg wanted six million? They were making like three million dollars.
Greenberg wants six million dollars. So they went in there

(01:32:07):
and get to six million dollars together, like, so Greenberg
got his own agent, got six million dollars, and they like,
we don't really want to pay goal like six million dollars.
And so they broke up that now and they're never
the same, never the same. Where is you going together?
And you go, all right, I want six, but I'll
take five, you know, or four and a half and

(01:32:29):
life will be good. But it's it's really why communism
doesn't work in in in real life, because everybody wants
to get paid what they're worth. And then and then
and then some the weirdest team in the NFL is
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(01:32:52):
on Fox Sports Trader. This from Michael Lombardi. Of course
he's joined us so many times, former NFL GM. Of
course he has his own podcast. He said to uh
Heavan Clowney is being shopped. Wrote it yesterday. The Great
John McClain, longtime Houston Chronicle calmness, said he would be
shocked if he was not traded. Solving the Texans requirements
for the trade they will be reasonable, won't be hard

(01:33:12):
for teams. Solving the money for Clowney will be This
is amazing. First of all, Look, I understand it's really
easy because Antonio Brown has been nothing short of a
clown to sit here and go. John Gruten doesn't know
what he's doing, Okay, But they're in a similar situation

(01:33:32):
to where the Raiders were with UH with Mac last year.
And the Raiders got two first round picks for Mac
at the exact same time as last year. And I
know that people are saying, look, they should have shopped
him earlier, They should have come. Remember, this is a
team dealing without a GM. They fired Brian Gaines after
the draft, which was weird. Then they tried to hire

(01:33:53):
Patriots executive Jeff Casserio, and the Patriots accused the Texans
of tampering and allow Cassari to leave. The Texans decide,
all right, we'll go out without a general manager, the
assistant general manager, and UH the head coach Bill O'Brien
kind of went back and forth over Clowney, and Bill
O'Brien actually is the one who came out and said

(01:34:13):
I wouldn't I don't want to give Jendeveon Clowney a
long term contract. Show me, which obviously means to j
Devon Clowney, it's my time is up here. I want
to get a long term deal, especially guy who's had
an injuried marred career, no matter how talented he looks.
So uh yeah, And they traded a fourth which could

(01:34:34):
be a third for Duke Johnson, So what goes back
in return. What's amazing about it is I don't think
he's as good as Mac. I don't think anybody. Nobody
thinks that, right, Like, but I mean, they're not getting
anywhere near two first round picks. And then and this
is part of the Mac deal that people know. It's
not just that you had to trade two first round picks.

(01:34:55):
You had to be willing to give them ninety million
dollars guaranteed. This is the same thing with Melvin Gordon, Like,
does somebody want to trade from Melvin Gordon? Sure trading.
Melvin Gordon wanted to take first round pick. Probably not
at second round pick. Okay, second round pick from Melvin
Gordon maybe, but hold on, Melvin Gordon doesn't want to
play for the Chargers under the five point million dollars
five point three million dollars, you don't want to play

(01:35:15):
for you either, And what are you gonna offer? Maybe ten?
Maybe that's the Charges are offering? Why would they trade him?
So this is Jadeveon Clowney very much on the market.
And I do believe, um, I do believe that, uh

(01:35:38):
that one of the reasons, um that one of the
reasons Jadeveon Clowny hasn't made it is the same things
I was. I was never on the Jadeveon Clowny number
one overall trained. And I'll tell you a couple of
couple of reasons. One, he wasn't really a three four guy,
and they put him into three four and they've made
it work. Uh, set Lee, Remember how many games he

(01:36:02):
missed because he wanted to take some time. I have
missed some games. He had the knee. He had the
knee issue. I think the knee issue was after he
was drafted, if I if I remember correctly. But he
was a guy that just didn't have He just didn't
have that what J. J. Watt has in terms of
the most more style than it was more motor. It

(01:36:24):
was more motor than anything else. He just didn't have
the motor. And I you know this, Chris Carter has
a great expression. It's money doesn't change you, it makes
it more, makes you more of what you are. I
think about that for a second. Money doesn't change you,
it makes you more of what you are. And that

(01:36:46):
that to me is absolutely true. Which Devian Clowney, he
hasn't been bad, he's been good. But has he been
the best player in football? No? And when he was
at South Carolina he wasn't bad. He was good. He
made some spectacle to their plays. But was he's the
best player in college football in spite of having this
ridiculous physique and all these measurables. No, yes, right, just

(01:37:11):
letting you know, Layton Vanderesh coming here, you had your
hand up. I was like, okay, okay, cool, alright, Layton
Vanderesh checking in with us here on the Doug Gottlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio. As the guys have already
had their walkthroughs, their showers. Now probably some meetings and
then afternoon practice, Laton, how are you. I'm doing great,
We're really really really good. Um. What's this camp like

(01:37:36):
in comparison to last year? Um, this camp, I would say, Um,
I mean everything is more familiar. Um. Just being out there,
being used to everything, not having to learn the playbook
and everything. It makes a lot easier. Um, just being
able to go out there and cut loose and and
start working on other party game. UM. It's interesting because

(01:37:56):
you know, last year, everyone knew that you could be
in a position you're in. Was there a moment for
you where you're like, oh, yeah, this, I'm I'm good here,
I'm confident. Was was there the moment of confidence of
belonging at any point that you remember? Um? I was
always confident in myself from from the get go. But UM,

(01:38:18):
I would say, really, Um, just as a as the
season started and I was really getting reps, especially when
Sean went down, UM, just I was gaining confidence like
like crazy, um, game in and game out, and just
taking things slowly, taking things one day at a time,
not getting too far ahead of myself and just just

(01:38:40):
trusting my instincts, trusting my abilities. How Sean was Sean
has been awesome the whole entire process. Uh, he's been phenomenal. Um.
I mean he's like a big brother to me, and
he's always he's always helping me, always giving me a
little cheats, hints here and there. Um, always just always
just trying to help me on my game. What's that like, THO?
I mean for a guy who like, look, you're had
of brought in to take his job, right, I mean

(01:39:02):
you're you're you're brought in to be what he has been.
And look, he's had the unfortunate run of injuries like
he had last year at previous times. What's it like
to be a young guy? You walk in, here's this
older dude and you're and all of a sudden he's
helping you out and he's helping you get better. It
just shows what what what kind of caliber of guy
he is. And the respect that he has for his teammates,
his coaches in the game football, Um, you can't you

(01:39:25):
can't teach that. And the amount of heart that that
guy has. Um. I mean everybody would go to everybody
would go to war with him and for him no
matter what. So UM, I mean I have the most
respect possible that I could for for a guy like that,
and and I mean, uh, I'm just trying to give back,
give back to him, um, using what he has to

(01:39:47):
tell me on the field, and to show him that
I'm gonna go out there and that he can trust
me to do my job and trust me to fill
in in his spot if he needs me to late
man direct. Join us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sport Trade Alive at Dallas Cowboys camp. Have you
matched up with Whitten yet? I have? Yeah, yeah a
few times now. Um. It's crazy. Every time I line
up against him, It's like who would have thought, uh this,

(01:40:08):
it would be like this one day? Um, but I
mean it's it just it just shows you not to
take anything for granted. And that is pretty special that
you get to actually line up against guy like that,
Um and practice and practice against the guy of his caliber.
How's he running? Oh, he's just as good as ever. Um,
he knows how to run aroute. He's he's really he's

(01:40:29):
really smart with everything he does, disguises everything. Um that
I mean, the dude, the nude knows the ins and
outs of football, so uh, he knows it works and
what doesn't that It's interesting you point that out because
there's something the same for you, right, Like you're a
crazy athlete, like you're off the charts athletes. So there's
the athleticism and is the football like you and you've
always had a good football, but you need to play

(01:40:50):
in the NFL. And like you said this year in camp,
you're comfortable in the system. You don't have to live
So there's that moment where it kind of it kind
of matches up. And even though you could run to
make every play, now you know the the cheat steps
right now, you know the cheat codes, if if you,
if you will, Um, how close are you to that spot? Um,

(01:41:10):
it's you're never You're never always at that spot. You're
always improving. That's the thing. There's always more than you
can know. There's always more that you can get familiar
with and prepare for. Um every single every single game week. Um,
You're never there, You've never made it. UM. Like I said,
just keep harping on on constant improvement, UM, getting better

(01:41:31):
every single chance you get. Just keep adding to that
to that mental intelligence box that you have with the
game of football. You know, it's fascinating that this team's
offense gets discussed a ton mostly because the contract kind
of the contract situation. A couple of guys, but you
play with Jalen obviously, Byron yourself, some of the it's
a young, really really talented defense. How do you guys

(01:41:53):
collectively handle the fact that it does feel like the
offense gets talked with that a lot. And like I've
talked to Tony Romo about this, He's like, look, you
want track teams are gonna, you know, making the Super Bowl,
gotta have top ten defense and amount how good we
were on offense. But how does but there's egos in
that room. How do you handle the fact that in
the preseason at least people only talk to offense. I
like it when people don't talk about us. I mean

(01:42:15):
keeps us quiet and I mean we just go out
there and do our job. We're not flashy. We just
love playing football. We got a young group, like you said,
and we love playing football with each other, flying around
making play. So um, I mean, unless that people talk
about us, the better I think, in my opinion. How
many snaps did you get against the Niners? Eleven? Did
you get hit somebody? Yeah? What'sh Who do you know?
Who was? It was one of their tight ends and

(01:42:37):
one of the running backs. Um, I don't know the names.
What's the feeling like of the first hit of an
opponent of the year? Um, I mean you gotta you
have a knox and rust off, that's for sure. Um.
And the way I look at it, I mean, if
you're gonna miss tackles, you even miss him now. So
I mean missed my first tackle? Yeah, I did so,
And obviously I irritates me a lot when I missed

(01:43:01):
the tackle. I take a lot of pride in being
a share tackler. So, um, just knocking the rust off
and getting those game reps is important. Okay, it sounds
like you've watched the film. It sounds like you're still
ticked about it. Give me the play. Give me what
happened had you missed the tackle? Um, there are an
inside zone and I fit my gap, fell back to
the B gap and I had him in my arms

(01:43:21):
and I just didn't make tackle. That was literally so
you didn't make contact, You didn't wrap up, did hi?
You know? Uh, he kind of just brushed me off. UM.
I think I just didn't fit it as hard as
I should have fitted. Um. Obviously, when what do you
mean like go in there like as hard as I should,

(01:43:43):
and I expect expect because like I was expecting to
make the play in my gap, but he kind of
bounced different gaps, so I just fit that one for it,
and uh, he kind of just brushed me off. I
had in my arms and I just didn't wrap up
get enough, all right, I mean, like, look like you
said it's better to do it, then, then then then
do it. Um, you're going to Hawaii, right, you've been

(01:44:04):
I haven't. Uh, okay, you're gonna like I mean, you
guys are only there for a short period of time.
Have you served here? No? Why not? Uh? I haven't
had a chance. I mean, listen, you're not not that
far to get aboard. You gotta you gotta, you gotta
hit a wave at some point. I probably will sooner
or later eventually, but probably not in the not in
the in the near future. Um, we've watched some of

(01:44:26):
Hard Knocks they get They have one particular rookie who
I think comes across a little bit of annoying. I
don't know, And I'm just wondering if there's any annoying
rookies that you'd like to like to share, you'd like
to call out on national radio. Um No, I think
we got a we got a good young group. Um. Obviously,
I mean the whole team is young, So I mean
I feel like we bond really well. Yeah, No, it's

(01:44:48):
a it's an amazing group. Um it to us. In
the media, there's a lot of talk about Miami, that
that Miami is a focus of the front office. Do
you guys talk about that lot? Uh? No, I mean
we focus on ourselves. We focus on just doing our jobs. Um,
getting better at what and getting better at every single
area that we can and focus on what we can control. Um,

(01:45:10):
just limiting the outside noise and everything and just doing
us well. Listen, congrats on doing you last year. Hopefully
no more miss tackles in the upcoming preseason. But thanks
so much for joining us. Awesome, Thank you, Lane Vanderest
joining us on The Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Coming up next, we'll get to the press, uh where
we have a special name that team, right, and we

(01:45:31):
have a special name that team. We'll we'll give it
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(01:45:54):
edition of the Press from Cowboys Camp. The Press. Al right,
so instead of the Press, Dan Bayer wants to do
a game called name that Team. It's kind of like
name that tune. In years past, we did name that
player with John Ramos. Not that Ryan Music can't handle

(01:46:16):
name that player. No, I think that's exactly what it means,
just that Ryan's age precludes him from having a wide
array of players to choose from, so John Ramos a
little bit more seasoned. Uh, we'll just put it that way.
So we do name that team. Basically, it's just like
name that tune. And if you don't remember name that

(01:46:37):
tune or don't know what it is, Doug and Ryan
basically have an auction on who could guess what team
in the fewest number of notes or tidbits, And whenever
one is thinking that they can't guess the team, they'll
challenge the other one to do it on their bids.
So we'll start the bidding one point first round we
started at six notes, Ryan Music, we start the bidding

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off with you. I'll name it in six, I will
name it in four, I'll name it in three. Okay.
As a franchise, they once played in a different home
stadium in four consecutive seasons. They have twice drafted quarterbacks
in the first round this decade, and their team name

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is one of three in the NFL that uses alliteration. Wow, alliteration. Okay,
m hmm. Man, do you know what Doug? Do you know?
I do not. You don't know it at all. I'm
gonna take a guess. Well, I am going to take
a guess. Just I'm working through it. I'm working through

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it here. It's not you know, it's not the Charters.
They once played in a different home stadium in four
consecutive seasons. They twice drafted quarterbacks in the first round
this decade, and their team name is one of three
in the NFL that uses alliteration. Man, I cannot think

(01:48:05):
of it. I guess I'm gonna you can't guess a team.
I mean, I can't guess a team, but I just
don't think it's going to be right. Like, the only
thing I can think of that's played in a different
stadium would be the Saints. But that's not alliteration. But
whatever Saints. Okay, it is not the Saints. Do you
want to guess or should I reveal? Uh? Titans? That

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is correct, the Tennessee Titans. Remember when they moved from
Houston to Nashville Memphis, Yes, Memphis to Nashville, Nashville twite,
two different states, Vanderbilt Stadium and trying to think of
teams that change stadiums. But the literation thing was throwing
me off. Well, you got Buffalo Bills, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans,
Tennessee Titans, and the two quarterbacks Marcus Mariota Jake Locker

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Locker draft. All right, let's go for two points. Doug
Gottlieb leads one to nothing. Doug will start the beating
off with you starting at six notes. I could do
in three notes. Go ahead, Okay, this team has never
had the first overall pick in the NFL draft. They
are They are the only NFL team to have never

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worn their white jerseys at home. They led the NFL
and rushing last season, never won their white jerseys at home.
Led the NFL and rushing last season, and they've never
had the first overall pick in the NFL draft, the
Baltimore Ravens. That is incorrect. It would be got it,
got it? How that is correct? That is correct. I

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was gonna say, retired to jersey number. That didn't honor
a player because they retired twelves. Oh, by the way,
the note that I left out for the Titans, Zach
Mettenberger is twenty feet all time in team passing yards. Yeah.
Who would have thought that. The Seahawks, also I left up,
became the first NFL team to make the playoffs with
a losing record. We got a ball game going to

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our final team. Ryan Music will start it with you.
You are up to one on Doug. I think this
is the first one you want. I think Doug won
seven nothing at the Chargers camp. Uh, the bidding starts
with you six notes on guests that team. I can
do it in four, I can do in three, I
could do it in two. Here we go. Come on, now,
come on now, Okay, they only have seven losing seasons

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in team history, and we're once given to Homer Simpson
as a gift in an episode of the Simpsons seven.
I am gonna go with the Pittsburgh Steelers. If it's
the Pittsburgh Steelers, you will win. Name that team and
the answer is not the Pittsburgh Steelers. The answer was

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the Denver Broncos. Broncos. I had no idea, what the
Simpsons one. I just try to think of a team
that was been consistently good over a long period of time.
There was the only retired three numbers in team history, seven, eighteen,
and forty four. They are oh and four wearing an
orange jersey in the Super Bowl. That could have given

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them away. Uh. They changed their team colors after two
years of existence. Remember when they did the a f
L thing years back and they were brown yellow? Yes, exactly.
They only spent two years with those colors, then changed
to the orange and blue. And then I was gonna
say play their home games in the Mountain time zone,
but that would have dead ringer Doug wins again again,

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and that suppressed I didn't get shut out though. That's
the most important thing. Everything that's happened at Cowboys Press.
I'm no longer getting skunked. So this is year three
at Cowboys camp, and uh, two years ago, if you
go back, they felt like they had a really good team,
but there was a lot there was a lot of

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questions because of the Zeke Elliott stuff. Right, there are
questions because of the Zeke Elliott stuff. And and yet
it was Dak's first training camp as officially the guy
that was. Last year, it was, look, we're gonna try
and create mismatches offensively. It didn't feel like an offensive
game plan that people thought would work. But they're like,

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trust us, it's gonna work. And it didn't. This year,
I think they feel like they got a really good
team and they're just assuming that Zeke Elliot will eventually
be there and it all get worked out. Do you
guys feel kind of the same in talking to people, Yeah,
I feel that same way. Two years ago, it was
just it was so tense. There was the Zeke cloud
of of what was going to happen with him. Last

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year I think seemed more laid back. I'll say another thing,
they're about to break camp in two days, so they've
kind of been through it, you know, like they've already
got a game under their belt. I think that that
helps that. Yeah. Yeah, a little bit earlier, I get
a more sense of a calm, calmness amongst this team.
That a belief if you will. Yeah, Late Vendor is
not happy about his mistackle in the preseason game. So

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I will say this about the Cowboys. I think they're
gonna good. I think it's them and the Eagles obviously
for the division. Um, I frankly think the Eagles are
better at quarterback. And I do think the Cowboys have
some spectacular skill position the overall skill position guys. But
you gotta have Zeke. On the other hand, you gotta
be careful about overspending on Zeke because he's a running

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back and he's also you know, one fist fight away
from getting suspended again because he's just does stupid stuff
like he just is and and and I'm willing to
believe that the what the Cowboy guys will tell you,
which is he's actually a really good guy, but he
does stupid stuff. And you do stupid stuff long enough,
and eventually stupid stuff catches up to you. I know
I've done stupid stuff. So um. Anyway, thanks to the

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Dallas Cowboys for providing us Lane Vanderesh and and who
else do we have? Jason Witten, Travis Frederick, and Travis Frederick.
Thanks to Fox Sports Radio for sending us to Chargers,
Rams and now the Cowboys. This Doug Got Lave Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live
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