September 2, 2019 • 45 mins
Dan Beyer and Ephraim Salaam, in for Doug Gottlieb discuss the big moves made by the Houston Texans over the weekend. The guys react to the first week of the college football season and how Jalen Hurts showed everyone that he is a complete quarterback. Dan and Ephraim think that Andrew Luck’s retirement will have an effect on the entire upcoming season in the NFL. Plus, Joel Klatt joins the show to share his thoughts on week one in the college football season.
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Over the weekend. In the National Football League, there was
something that we didn't expect, and that was the Houston
Texans basically reshaping the roster. A week before the NFL's
regular season started, they traded Jadevian Clowney, who wouldn't sign
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his franchise tender with the team, although he was reportedly
interested in doing so until he found out the Texans
were trying to trade him, and then he didn't want
to report. So Clowney ends up being dealt to the Seahawks,
and then the Texans swing a deal with the Miami Dolphins,
giving up two first round picks to get Laramy Tunsil
and Kenny Stills in a deal with Miami, Surprising that
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the NFL actually grabbed huge headlines on college football's debut weekend. Yeah,
and when you ever you make big time moves like that,
you're gonna you're gonna have the headlines. And it just
wasn't a good fit for Jadeveon Clowney and the Texans.
At this point, I think there's some contention there. My
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inside sources have have told me that, you know, Jadeveon
Clowney was Bill O'Brien's first pick, and so with the
first pick of the draft they took to Javicclowney. That
first year, as we all know, did not work out.
He got hurt, missed the entire season, came back, got
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hurt again, missed the next season. So it was kind
of borderline. Okay, well, we just wasted the first round pick.
And there was some question about work work ethic there
and on Jadavion's side, or some question about the ability
to diagnose and rehab properly and some things. So it
was a contentious relationship. And the last three years, Jadeveon
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Clowney has turned into the player that we thought he
would be right away, and maybe it was just a
little bit too late, right, So sure, and I understand
that maybe he didn't I don't want to say live
up to the expectations of that first overall pick, but
maybe didn't live up to the expectations or at least
what the Texans thought they were getting when they took
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him first overall. The issues with the deals this weekend
I think are in my mind. It really appears that
Bill O'Brien, the head coach, is making moves for Bill
O'Brien the head coach and not Bill O'Brien the general manager,
And with a team that has no general manager right now,
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Bill O'Brien seems to be calling a lot of the shots.
I understand the wanting to protect to Shawn Watson, trying
to protect your biggest asset. I understand of not wanting
to pay Jadevian Clowney all of that money, but they
did place the franchise tag on him. They did not
trade him before the July fift deadline, which hurt his value.
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Then when you end up dealing Clowney and there's already
rumors about the Texans talking with the Miami Dolphins, it
seemed like they had very little leverage in trying to
get a deal done, and then they find out in
the preseason that their offensive line isn't good enough. So
that's also on the front office and the coaching staff
that you have to make a move a week before
the draft. Plick the moves I think on the surface
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from you can you can make a case for. But
how it all went down and how they ended up
having to make those moves is the problem that I
see at Houston. Well, yeah, when you don't have a
clear GM and you got a head coach who initially
wasn't signed on to be the g M in the
head coach. We've had that before, right Belichick head coach GM.
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We know that Mike Holmgraham head was the head coach
of GM. Like that was a thing for a while
where head coaches like that was that was like if
you had that much cash as a coach, then owners
wouldn't hire GM to put heads with you. They just
let you run the show. Well, Bill O'Brien didn't sign
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up for that, and they've been going through GM after GM.
So you're put in a place where now that you
have to in essence, like you said, stop thinking just
as a head coach and start thinking and the big
overall picture. And it's difficult to do. Sometimes head coaches
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want to win games. They just want to They just
want to win games. And all they care about our
players who want to be there and who want to
come to practice and play. They're not they're at practice,
they're not up in in in in the office while
practice is going on, and the coach as a coach
and looking over transactions and things like that. So they're
singularly focused on guys practicing and winning games. I've heard
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and I've heard at times when there has been a
dual power held by one guy of players even yelling
during practice pay me, like to the head coach who's
also the general manager, like you want me to do that?
Pay me? Now. That may have showed dysfunction in the organization,
but it also shows on how difficult that role is,
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just in a basic coach the player relationship instead of
the the broad spectrum of running an entire franchise. It's
difficult because you do have to wear two hats. Right.
You may have a great like I've always had a
good relationship with head coaches, like Gary Kubiak was the
head coach of Houston. We had a great relationship. I
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knew Rick Smith before he got the GM job. I
knew Rick when he was player personnel in Denver. Still
go on his office, him and his family, everybody. Like
when he got the GM job, our relationship changed a
little bit. Not like it was worse, but it was different.
It's it's more responsibility for him, and our relationship had
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to take a back seat because one thing you can't
do is blatantly show favoritism as the GM, right, you
you have to write, you have to be completely unbiased.
You have to have that blanket relationship with your players.
Now you can speak to him and have a good time,
but it's just a different dynamic. I can go up
to Gary Kubiak and joke with him before every game
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the team comes out, we warm up, OFFENSI gets together,
we run our plays. Gary would find me, We shake hands,
and then I slap him on his butt, like almost
hit his bunk cheek through his hip. Right. But was
something we did and that went back from Denver. Right,
that's the type of relationship we had. Like I could
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call Gary up and be like, Yo, what's you know
and we have that conversation. When it's the GM, it's
a different feel, it's a different conversation. So having those
two hats can be a strain or for gms and
coaches for players because you don't know who you're talking to.
Am I talking to the GM or I'm talking to
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the coach? And people out there might be like, where's
the same thing. It's not the same thing. Those dynamics
are completely different. And the Miami Dolphins seemed to be
negotiating with the Texans head coach with the Texans GM
if you want to call him that, because there's no
official title, but this is this is also a guy
who is coaching for his job, and see what you
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will of I understand that Deshaun Watson needs protection and
they need to protect Deshaun Watson because he's their biggest investment.
I know that they also drafted pieces in the draft.
But if you end up going through an entire training
camp and they're like, oh my goodness, this is what
we got, then that's also on you, Like it's not like,
look at us, we may have mortgaged our future, but
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we got a left tackle to protect the Shawn Watson.
That's fine, But all of your moves leading up to
that move forced you to make that move, So that
is also on you. And that is the issue that
that I have with Houston is I just I can't
defend what they did. And I know there are some
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that say, well, now the division is wide open because
Andrew luck wasn't isn't there anymore? Heck, the Texans won
the division last year, you know, so so if you
want to say like they were considered almost the top
dog anyway, and then you end up having this sort
of off season, I think it's none of it makes sense,
and it all just shows almost um neglect, maybe malpractice
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for what the officer, what the front office is done
in the last six months. What's been in disarray. It's
been in disarray, and this is a clear sign of
things aren't as buttoned up as one would want going
into the season. But I can tell I'll tell you
what if this all goes away right, Tunsil comes in,
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He's that solid rock that they need on the offensive line.
That Shaun Watson has a great season, they win the division,
the defense gets back to its old ways with merciless
and what no one we don't we're not even no
one cares. Right, the only time this really blows up
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and really people are really pointing the finger at well,
look at the front office. Is if this thing just
takes a nose dive, right, you lose the division. Tennessee
jumps you, right, you you get beat by a luckless
Indianapolis colts. Things like that when stuff when stuff like
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that starts to happen. Then now eyebrows are raised and
they're like, okay, well, oh those decisions that you made, right,
that's gonna cost you your job. You have a four
hour car ride with no gas station and you're about
to stop. You're like, no, I can hold it. Okay,
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all right, good luck. Yeah, because we're not stopping once
we pass this, We're not stopping. We are going. You
have your choice now and the Texans are going be
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was a an opportunity where I learned a lesson. I
learned a lesson from and that's just to a not
counting your chickens before they're hatched. B. Don't group everything
into to one big group. You have to let it
stand out and see that Lincoln Riley is even more
of a genius than we originally thought. So you learn
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the top two just yesterday. I'm just saying I thought
that the first week of the college football season wasn't
as exciting as we were. It didn't match the excitement
that we had anticipating Week one, just because there were
a lot of games that were one sided by the
top teams in the country. In fact, right now, the
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record of ranked teams in college football through the first
week zero and week one, the first two weeks, if
you will, of the college football season ranked teams are
twenty three and one, and the only ranked team that
has yet to play is Notre Dame, and the only
loss came in the only game that featured two ranked teams,
that was Auburn and Oregon. So everybody in the top
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twenty five outside of number eleven Oregon picked up a victory,
whether it be this past weekend or like Florida did
against Miami in Week zero. So that's why I'm saying
there wasn't like a huge expectation. But while I was
saying that the first week of college football was kind
of ho hum, Jalen Hurts in Oklahoma ended up changing
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all of that. Yes he did. And I think the
expectations for Week one in college football it's high, not
because of the matchups, it's because we get football back, right.
It's it's the first weekend where we just have college
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football and it's exciting, and it's it. That's that's all.
That's it. Then they spread the games that we had
one you know, they were Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and
in the final one today with Notre dameon in Louisville.
So I think that's where the excitement comes from, right,
those Rabbit fans. I I I had to watch my
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San Diego State Aztecs struggle mightily against We were stayed
on Facebook. Okay, we came the Aztecs came away with victory.
That should have been on MySpace. It was. It was terrible.
Six nothing was Oh god, how many likes did that
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game get? It was like five thousands of people watching
on Facebook. And I was like, I don't even know
that was a thing. All right, I'm looking for what
network and it was like f C beak. I'm like,
what is this? Oh, it's Facebook. Way to go after
going through direct TV. You're like, okay, Channe, it's not reggae.
It's not classical smooth jazz. It's not today's hits. It's
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not Christmas music. Where is f C b K? And
it was on Facebook? It was on Facebook. So I
say that to say last night's game with Jayla hurt
everybody wanted to see. Right, this is a kid for
those who have been in under a rock, are in
solitary confinement in prison for the last few years. Jalen
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Hurts was the our quarterback at Alabama and two years
ago in the National Championship Game, yes, was removed at
halftime because he couldn't throw the ball in Georgia was
pounding Alabama. So backup comes in save the day. He's
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the starter now, right, the rest is history. Is he
going to stay? Is he gonna transfer? He decided to
stay and be a backup. Right. He got an opportunity
this past season in the playoffs to kind of reverse that, right,
and he came in and saved the day. Yeah, the
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SEC title game Georgia. Yeah, And so that was the
first sign of Okay, the rebirth. He transfers. He goes
to Oklahoma. Now everybody wanted to see, Okay, Well, Oklahoma
throws the ball all right, the quarterbacks run two, but
they really air it out with that that offense. Lincoln, right,
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we're gonna see what Jalen Hurts has. And watching that
gang from the beginning, you saw what the game plan was.
He was gonna throw the ball. Who was gonna put
the ball in the air. He was gonna throw the
ball down the field to prove to people at the
beginning that this kid is a complete quarterback like the
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ones who were there before him, Baker, Kyler, now Jalen.
And I was impressed. He was this is a non
throwing this is what it's it's thought to be a
non throwing quarterback. He was two yards, three touchdowns. Huh.
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It was. It was amazing. It was. There was a
clinic that was phenomenal. And and that's to the point
of Lincoln Riley that that I think is this is misconceptions.
I think the misconceptions that we have in college football
or the NFL is that one way is the only way,
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and this player is only that. Like, we don't think
that there's a blending. Jalen Hurts is a better runner
than Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield. So you know what
Lincoln Riley does while still trying to keep I guess,
the principles through the air. You also then Taylor your
offense that has been one of the top offenses in
college football and has produced the last two Husband Trophy winners.
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Also Taylor and offense that allows him to be your
leading ball carrier. And then you also have the threat
of the past, where I'm sure Houston comes in and
it's like, well, we're not gonna let Jalen Hurts beat
us running the ball. So now you throw a fifty
yard touchdown past to Ceedee Lamb, you know, to to
go up twenty one nothing when there's no one within
thirty yards of him, because you're so worried about Jalen
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Hurts running the ball. And then all of a sudden,
how you do you have to worry about the past,
because he goes twenty twenty three and he ends up
with a hundred and seventies six yards. And I think
that Lincoln Riley was like, all right, let's just take
what Jalen Hurts does best, will utilize that and blend
that into our offense because we're not gonna expect him
to do what Baker Mayfield did and what Kyler Murray did,
but will cater our offense a little bit to his strengths.
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And then you've got his performance that he put on
last night, and this young man accounted for five hundred
and eight yards and six touchdowns by himself. Think about
that alone, right, he counted in six of the seven
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touchdowns for five hundred and eight yards. Guess who just
shot up to the top of the Heisman watch list. Well,
there are questions that if he was I think many
people have Trevor Lawrence, many people had to a tongue
of our law And then Jalen Hurts was, well, they've
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had the last you if he can fit into Lincoln
Riley's offense, that he's gonna be there. But there were
serious questions about him. Throwing them all in one game
doesn't make a season. That's not what we're trying to say.
But when you look at what that conference, the Big Twelve,
has to offer, and you think of how that league
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is not built on defense, it is it is set
up for him to continue with these numbers when you
just see the success early on in what they did
in Game one, now makes you worried. If you're a
defensive coordinator in the Big Twelve and worried if you're
another Heisman hopeful because these numbers, as great as they were,
maybe more of the norm considering what else Oklahoma has.
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I mean, this was this was game one of of
what you've got U c l A. Is your toughest
nonconference opponent that you have, Like that's it. Then you're
you're gonna have your marquee games. Obviously game against Texas
and if Oklahoma is good enough in the Big Twelve
title game, but there doesn't seem to be a lot
of resistance for that. So this is kind of a
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sign of things to come. Jalen Hurts ends up stealing
the first weekend of the college football season in doing
it on a night where there were no other college
football games, And you're right, and what's gonna happen is
these numbers that he's putting up are so inflated, they're
so big, going against that Big Twelve defense, those defenses,
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these numbers are going to get worse. And he plays
they play South Dakota next week. What do you think
he's going to do to South Dakota? And I'll tell you, lad,
he's not gonna do. That's play in the second half.
And the reason I say that is because when you
combine his first week's total to what he's going to
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get next week in two weeks, he has a potential
to be responsible for a thousand yards of offense in
two weeks. So think about that going into your conference schedule,
playing against those big twelve defenses. If you start the
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season off with a thousand yards as a quarterback, a
total of a thousand yards, you want to talk about it,
a rocket, a cannon. You've been, you've been, and he's
just gonna rack up more and more and more, to
the point where when it comes down to December and
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we're talking about who do we like for this and
who do we like for that, his numbers are gonna
be so inflated, so massive. Yeah, and and the hysant
seems to be more of a formula lately as well.
As long as your team is is good enough and
in the picture, and you have the numbers to represent it,
then then you're in the discussion. Then you go to
your marquee games and how you performed in those games,
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or maybe how you do it in November, and when
you look at their schedule, I mean that's you know,
they've got there, They've got their Red River rivalry with
Texas coming up in in about a month, because that's
usually you know, early to uh mid October. The point
is is in November and leading up to the Heisman Trophy,
you're gonna basically have your Bedlam game against Oklahoma State
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and your big twelfth championship games. So long as he
performs halfway decent, putting up the numbers that he has,
maybe the Heisman Trophy races over before it even started.
And that's that's where I that's where I'm at. It
Like when you when you see that and you saw um,
you know, over the past weekend, the guys who were
supposed to be at the top of that list, Trevor
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Lawrence didn't look good against Georgia Tech. But to it,
I mean, Duke gave a little resistance two or through
I believe three and complete passes against Duke this past weekend,
throwing for three yards and four touchdowns. So like, those
were great numbers, but they didn't grab your attention because
you were expecting that. What ends up happening with Jalen
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Hurts was there was the question of how he would
fit in. Yet he comes out and is better than
we could have ever imagined. Yeah, And I think when
you look at Justin Herbert, who was another one of
those considered to be UH top Heisman candidates and potential
first picks in the draft, and you know, they didn't
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pull the victory off, you know, and he had an
okay game, but it wasn't like, oh, here we go,
you know. Yeah, and his supporting cast because they were
they were down a bunch of wide receivers also plays
into how he performs and how Oregon ends up performing
and calling their play. So there was some criticism on
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the way that Oregon handled their matchup against Auburn up six.
The point being is when you compare Herbert to what
Jalen Hurts has in Oklahoma with you guys like Ceedee
Lamb playmakers, U two has got Jerry Judy in element
like you're throwing to these guys or Herd has nobody
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new the throw to. So so it's that even strengthens
the case for a guy like to you could have
a two against Jalen Hurt stop battling for the starting job,
battling for the Heisman. I think that's the storyline that
that many people thought that could possibly happen if Jalen
Hurts was gonna get acclimated. He's acclimated to Norman just fine.
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So there have been storylines throughout the NFL off season
and then through training camp, and specifically you would have
Ezekiel Elliott's hold out that we were just talking with
Clarence Hillip about a little while ago. Melvin Gordon's holdout
has come into play. Antonio Brown's feet and helmet issues
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have have come in. Uh, there have been conversations about
retiring quarterbacks, specifically Andrew Luck ends up calling it quits.
When you look at what is transpired, heck, even the
trades that the Texans made this weekend will have an
effect on the twenty nineteen season. Is there one storyline
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now that the season is here that that stands out
amongst them all? Or is is it has more of
a far reaching effect than the others that you see.
I think the one storyline would be the Andrew early
retirement because that had that had a significant effect on
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the division and the whole conference. So when you lose
that type of talent, not that he was healthy and
he was playing, but we didn't know. We didn't know that.
We didn't know he was going to be out for
an extending amount of time. Uh. And no one has
yet to come out and and confirm or deny that.
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They don't have to now because he's retired. So just
that because the way it came, we were I was
live on air and it just dropped in our laps.
We didn't in a game rememb Brian know we're talking
about you were talking I think about maybe the Dolphins
or Jets and I and it was something in the
a f C East where all of a sudden, maybe
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it was the Kenny Stills jay Z thing. Maybe that's
what you guys were talking about. But that tells you
on where it just came out of nowhere, like literally
dropped in our laps, and it sent shock waves through
the league, and it made you start thinking, like in
terms of that division, what the Texans needed to do
to make sure Deshaun Watson, who'd been beat up a
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bunch sack sixty three times last year, what they needed
to do to ensure that he wouldn't follow suit if
injuries continued to mount for him, and everyone started looking
around and trying to piece this thing together. And I
think that story, outside of everything else that's going on,
the holdouts, the trade eights, all of these moves, I
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think that story is the one that resonates and sticks
out the most. And I think when you compare it
to the other ones, it's obvious. I mean, not only
is he a quarterback, but he was a very good quarterback.
And not only was it a team that was in
the playoff hunt, it was a team that made it
to the divisional playoffs and some thought was a super
Bowl contender. And the reason I bring it up and
we didn't we didn't. I brought that question to you
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because I knew what the answer was going to be.
But all of these other situations are just situations that
may go go by the wayside in Week five or
didn't have the lasting impression, Like the Melvin Gordon situation
with the Chargers is one that is that is could
last throughout the season. But I don't think that there
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is at any point where we said, man, it's over
for the Chargers if they don't get if they don't get, no,
not even yeah, exactly. It hasn't even changed how you
look at the Chargers the Raiders. On the flip side
of that, when you see Antonio Brown's situation, whether he
is good or bad, it's never been well, this is
going to take the Raiders out of contention for a
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playoff birth because we don't expect them to have a
playoff birth. In fact of Antonio Brown still has his
issues in the regular season. Yeah, it's a bad contract,
but the only person that it really affects is Derek Carr.
John Gruden's not going anywhere. John Gruden's gonna be staying
the head coach of the Raiders when they moved to
Las Vegas. We just talked about the Ezekiel Elliott situation
and how really in Dallas's long term effect, it's not
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going to be an issue because we expect him to
be here. The Andrew Luck situation now that football is here,
not only has an effect on what is going on
or what is going to go on in the twenty
nineteen season, but it even had an effect of what
happened this past weekend with the Houston Texans, Like there
could be a question on does Houston make these moves
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the way that they did. If Andrew Luck is still
a member of the Indianapolis Colts now, it seems that
the vision is even more so for the taking, even
though the Texans one a year ago. And that's what
I just find so unique. Of all these stories that
we like to follow, the lasting impact isn't as big,
but the Andrew Luck one is the one that's going
to continue to pop up throughout this season because of
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all of the trickle down effects it had for so
many teams, whether it be the Colts and he contenders
in the a f C or anybody in the a
f C South. Yeah, it's it's very prominent. And like
you said, it's a multiple prong attack, right, it's we
gotta keep our quarterbacks healthy. And this division is wide
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open now. And I believe the team that's really gonna
benefit from this are the Tennessee Titans. I thought you
were going to say Jacksonville Jaguars. Honestly, I did, well,
Andrew look is eleven and oh against the Tennessee Titans.
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Think about that, He's eleven and oh against the Tennessee Titans.
You don't don't think they're like, Okay, it's our time now, right,
Not saying that they were afraid to compete against Andrew Luck.
But a record isn't numbers don't lie. You're leaving and
oh against a god. And now that guy's removed from
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your division. You've hovered around nine and seven for a
few years. Now think about those two wins. That's eleven
and five. That's action, that'ssion split. And I think this
decision by Andrew really uh heightened the the emergency and
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and and the the awareness that for all the teams
and in that division that look, this is our time. Now.
It highlighted the fact that Okay, it's wide open. And
for some it was gonna be a two team race,
you know, Houston, Uh, Colts, maybe Jacksonville depending on what
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Nick Foles can bring. But now it's wide open. Who
wants it In Tennessee, Remember had an opportunity in weeks
seventeen to beat the Colts on that Sunday night football game.
That was the marquee of the winner goes to the playoffs,
loser is done and Tennessee was done. In Tennessee's got
the storyline or the situation that is going to be
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followed throughout the season of Marcus Mariota and whether he
will be the quarterback of the Tennessee Titans after the
twenty nineteen season, Like those are we have brought up
Jamis Winston and Marcus Mariota needing to show that they
are a part of those organizations. But I think with
the holdouts and all the other stuff with Antonio Brown
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and different things that we're looking at, that's kind of
overshadowed how those guys have played. But once the season
ends up being played in Tennessee, I believe it's Cleveland
coming up on Sunday. Once they take they take the field.
Now it's the storyline. Is Mariota good enough to be
the next quarterback? Is Jameis Winston good enough to continue
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as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterbacks? Those things are all
gonna overshadow what we've been talking about for the last paint.
And you're right in those those prospective teams, their college
department of scouting department, they're on fire, right They're going
to every single Alabama game, scouting two attack of Valora,
and they're in Oregon, they're in they're really in Oklahoma
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there there and I'll go out there in Athens, Georgia,
right there in Georgia, they're trying to figure out. Okay,
we'll see how they play, but if you know they
fall short of expectation, we know where we're going next.
And and it says it's a big It's a big
year for Tampa Bay and Jameis Winston as well as
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wrap it up later tonight, Fox college football analyst Joe
Klatt joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Joel,
Happy Labor Day. How are you? What's up? Fellas Awre
you doing alright? Alright? Here's the deal. I thought it
was kind of a whole hum week one until last night.
How surprised were you at the amount of success that
Jalen Hurts had in his debut with Oklahoma? Well, oh man,
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that's a good question. I don't here's the thing I
don't want to say, like, oh, I was really surprised
because he is twenty six and two as a starter,
he did lead his team as a true freshman to
a national championship game. Um, you know, and and and
led him right back to the National championship game, even
though he was pulled for the second half, like he
was the sec offensive player of the year. I don't
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want to say I was shocked having said that, even
with all of those accolades you know to his name guys,
He's not Baker or Kyler. I mean, those guys were
so good and drafted I think appropriately in the NFL
for their talent and their ability to get the ball
out quickly on time. They were great passers of the football.
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And that would be the one thing that I think
we were all waiting to see what Jalen hurts is.
How was he going to develop in terms of his
passing acumen? And I think that was answered in the affirmative.
The other thing that I was so impressed with was
Lincoln Riley is a genius because he is the best.
He is the best offensive coach I think in football
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with Sean McVeigh. Um, maybe Josh McDaniels can get thrown
in there. Um, maybe there's a couple of other guys
you would maybe mentioned this dude is a savant and
he has added rinks. You know, he took what Baker
Mayfield was great at and then he made a work
of art out of that. And then he looked at
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Kyler Murraney and he sees his strength and weaknesses, and
then he made a work of art out of that.
And now he looks at Jalen Hurts and he sees
what he can do, and he sees his strength and weaknesses.
And at least for one game offensively, that was a
work of art. Guys, they were doing some things that
were just so cool it's gonna be hard to explain.
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And I tweeted it out, so if you follow me
at Joel claud you can go. I I retweeted um
um kind of a play breakdown of what Oklahoma was doing.
They ran They run this counter all the time from
where they pull their in particular to their right garden
tackle around on the left side, and they just kind
of run this like counterplay and they pulled everybody down
and then boom, they kicked him out. And when they
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got the numbers, boy, that play really sings for them,
and what they do is that they they have the
quarterback kind of read the front side of the play
or his right side, and then if he wants to,
he can go ahead and run it to the right.
If he wants he can throw it over the right
into a bubble screen. So it's putting all this pressure
on the defense just with what I'm talking about. Well,
last night they did that exact same action and Hurt
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started to take a couple of steps to his right.
Then he puts his foot in the ground and follows
the running back back to the left, and it was
like this quarterback delay counter off of triple action bubble action.
I was like, oh my god, my mind is like
blowing up right now. I've never seen anything like this.
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And it's just like the creativity and the artist try
from Lincoln Riley is is pretty exceptional. And and that's
that was my major takeaway from that game in particular.
And so this is the trend, right you have these
dynamic minds in college football, these coaches who can who
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can create these offenses based on the talent of the
of these quarterbacks. The next step would be, if they
have success with Jalen Hurt, does Lincoln Riley make that
jump to the next level. Well, I mean they've wanted
them bad. You know, last year, I will tell you
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for a fact, he could have named for the most
part his job at that level. Do you, I mean,
let's just put it to you this way. You really
think Arizona's first choice was Clippings. I mean, I love Cliff.
I mean, he's a good friend. I think he would
probably say the same thing if he was on with
you guys right now. But um, you know that they're
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coming from Lincoln. Now, here's a here's a couple of things.
And I know his wife well, and he's got small children,
and there there are advantages to being in college. Okay,
so I from I know that on a surface, you
would think that everyone would want to go to the
National Football League. But the problem with that is that
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the National Football League is built for eight and eight Okay,
So everything is conspiring against you if you're trying to
be great every year. We've really only seen one team
be able to do that, which is the New England Patriots.
Unless you've got that particular quarterback, you are not going
to be great every year. You're just not. We've even
seen Pittsburgh take little dips. You know, we've seen all
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sorts of teams take little dips before kind of coming
back up. New Orleans has taken little dips before they
come back up, and and and the precarious side of
that is that you're likely to get fired when you
take a dip, right, I mean, like that's just the
nature of that league. So if you jump to the
National Football League, if you're Lincoln Riley, I believe you're
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starting kind of a three to five year clock. If
you don't win a Super Bowl in that or get
to a Super Bowl within that amount of years, you're
gonna have a hard time keeping that job past those
that that mark. Meanwhile, on the other side, if you
stay in college from this guy is gonna make I
think he's making close to like six million dollars right now.
Um by the time he's and let me tell you
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that he's going nowhere, not not his corp. They're not
gonna fire Lincoln Riley, Are you kidding me? Plus, he's
got a going You can you can recruit. College football
is built for dynasties. You get the best players, you
get the most money. You can retain your staff, you
can hire more staff. You've got the tradition, You've got everything.
It's built to be great every single year if you
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can do that. So here's Lincoln Riley. He can legit
stay at Oklahoma for ten years. I think he could
probably play for a national championship or get to the playoff.
He's done it twice already, probably three more, four or
five more years. Within that next decade. He's gonna be
making anywhere between six and ten million dollars a year
during the course of the next decade and each one
of those years. So you have to tell you, do
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I want to start my three year clock in the
NFL for the vinity of of coaching in the NFL?
Or do I want to stay year where I can
have a dynasty, be the man, be the GM, be
the head honcho, and make between sixty hundred million dollars
over the next decade. Staying in college is not as
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crazy as people think. Yeah, they make it out to
be the second tier, you know, but you know X
Nick Sabit excellent, right, x uh Courrier depends on which
house you ask. Yeah, you know, there's there's also that benefit.
Joe Clad joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Easy
from Salama. I'm Dan Buyer, you got a firsthand to
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look at Justin Fields now in a in an Ohio
State uniform and in Ryan Day's debut as the Buckeyes
head coach. What surprised you with that? Aside from Justin
Fields actually being under center at one point during this game,
how did that debut go in Columbus in your eyes?
You know, it started off like it was going to
be an amazing debut. They were up nothing. You know,
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he had a ounted for all four touchdowns, three passing,
one running. UM. He was showing, I mean that they
had again Ryan Days, and that he was calling beautiful plays.
Their structure was amazing UM. And then all of a
sudden for the last three quarters FA you actually beat them.
Seen and so I think that for for Ohio State,
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you saw that Ohio State has the potential to be
great a playoff team. And then they also have a
lower floor than what they did last year with Haskins
and urban Meyer, because I don't think Fields is quite
the past here in particular from the pocket. And we'll
see how Ryan Dade deals with adversity, because it's coming
for them. It's coming if they play like they did
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in the second half or even in the second quarter
against the quality opponent, they'll get beat during the course
of the season. And then that's real adversity because you're
expected to win every single game at the Ohio State
University UM so, So for me leaving Columbus as well
as it looked at times for them, it's still await
and see. We've never seen a program in the history
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of our sport lose a coach that his games and
a first round draft choice at the quarterback position, and
a first round draft choice off their defense and a
defensive coordinator. And by the way, over the last four
years they've lost more first round defensive players than anybody
else in college football. So there's a lot that's going
on at Ohio State right now. At the top end,
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they can be great. At the bottom end, they'll struggle
at times. This year, I'd like to know which end
USC is on. After losing star quarterback J T. Daniels
out for the season with the with tearing after tearing
his a c l against Fresnel State, which ends up
being a really closed game, where does SC go from here? Man?
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Their schedule is so tough from I mean, it's uh,
I gotta tell you, it's I don't see it for
for USC. Coming into the year, I thought the top
end was the eight wins for them. Now they're going
to have kind of the meat of their schedule in
the first half of the year while trying to break
in a true freshman quarterback. It's gonna be tough. I
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just I don't don't quite see it for them. This
is a coach that I really like in Clay Helton.
I think he made the right moves in the off
season and particular getting Graham Harrold the offensive coordinator. I
think Graham's a really good coach. But I just I
just see for us, see, you know, some some struggles
ahead this year. I think they're gonna have a really
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hard time getting d eight wins. I thought that late
in the game Clay Helton didn't do himself any favors.
Not that we're focusing on exactly, right, I mean, it was,
but that's the reality of it, right, I mean, you're right,
you're focusing on that as well. I mean he's on
the hot seat. I think he would tell you that
as well, so he can have those types of little
type of little slip ups. Yeah, you're right, and uh,
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you want to talk about puckering up being on the
hot seat and then losing your quarterback for the season.
I mean, I don't know if it's hot anymore. It
might be the Seaton maybe burned. It may be gone,
it might be active. Probably it's probably gone already. Okay,
then what's happening to the seats in Knoxville will end
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on this note. I mean considering I know you didn't
get a chance to see it, but I don't know
if anybody needs to see anything outside of the final score.
What is Tennessee's football program right now? Um? Isn't that
a basketball school? WHOA? I think that's all I got.
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It's not It is not guys, it's not good for them.
This is a This is a fan base that loves
to take off on me on on Twitter because I
told you know, they had that whole thing when they
were hiring their coach and they thought Jeremy Pruitt was
going to be the savior and the end all for them,
and I'm here to tell you that he's not. He's
clearly a guy that was a better coordinator than he
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is going to be a head coach. And um, yeah,
I mean that happens all the time, and it's not
necessarily their fault might be their fans fault, but uh,
that's that's gonna be a program that I'm not looking
for for much. And and candidly, the SEC as a
whole had a terrible week one. Outside of Auburn beating Oregon,
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you know, the middle of that conference is not all
that strong. The top end of that conference conference is
exceptionally strong. They've been riding the coat tails of Alabama.
Nick Saban should charge. I mean, if they're running that
thing like organized crime, a minimum to everybody else in
that conference is just like, yeah, swing by and pay
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me my money morning. And it's been like that for
a little while now. I mean honestly, I mean, and
I'll give Georgia credit is really good. And we'll see
about l s U. L s U look really good,
uh in their week one when and they're gonna have
a chance to play Texas this week. Where are you
this Saturday? I will be in Michigan Army. It's taken
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on the Amazing Blue So we'll see that one. You
see the Eastern they threw a through past to win
that game that they just had this past weekend and
that blew me away. Right. Every time that they throw,
I feel like their entire fan base that hold their breath. Uh.
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Over the weekend. In the National Football League, there was
something that we didn't expect, and that was the Houston
Texans basically reshaping the roster. A week before the NFL's
regular season started, they traded Jadevian Clowney, who wouldn't sign
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his franchise tender with the team, although he was reportedly
interested in doing so until he found out the Texans
were trying to trade him, and then he didn't want
to report. So Clowney ends up being dealt to the Seahawks,
and then the Texans swing a deal with the Miami Dolphins,
giving up two first round picks to get Laramy Tunsil
and Kenny Stills in a deal with Miami, Surprising that
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the NFL actually grabbed huge headlines on college football's debut weekend. Yeah,
and when you ever you make big time moves like that,
you're gonna you're gonna have the headlines. And it just
wasn't a good fit for Jadeveon Clowney and the Texans.
At this point, I think there's some contention there. My
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inside sources have have told me that, you know, Jadeveon
Clowney was Bill O'Brien's first pick, and so with the
first pick of the draft they took to Javicclowney. That
first year, as we all know, did not work out.
He got hurt, missed the entire season, came back, got
(01:50):
hurt again, missed the next season. So it was kind
of borderline. Okay, well, we just wasted the first round pick.
And there was some question about work work ethic there
and on Jadavion's side, or some question about the ability
to diagnose and rehab properly and some things. So it
was a contentious relationship. And the last three years, Jadeveon
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Clowney has turned into the player that we thought he
would be right away, and maybe it was just a
little bit too late, right, So sure, and I understand
that maybe he didn't I don't want to say live
up to the expectations of that first overall pick, but
maybe didn't live up to the expectations or at least
what the Texans thought they were getting when they took
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him first overall. The issues with the deals this weekend
I think are in my mind. It really appears that
Bill O'Brien, the head coach, is making moves for Bill
O'Brien the head coach and not Bill O'Brien the general manager,
And with a team that has no general manager right now,
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Bill O'Brien seems to be calling a lot of the shots.
I understand the wanting to protect to Shawn Watson, trying
to protect your biggest asset. I understand of not wanting
to pay Jadevian Clowney all of that money, but they
did place the franchise tag on him. They did not
trade him before the July fift deadline, which hurt his value.
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Then when you end up dealing Clowney and there's already
rumors about the Texans talking with the Miami Dolphins, it
seemed like they had very little leverage in trying to
get a deal done, and then they find out in
the preseason that their offensive line isn't good enough. So
that's also on the front office and the coaching staff
that you have to make a move a week before
the draft. Plick the moves I think on the surface
(03:42):
from you can you can make a case for. But
how it all went down and how they ended up
having to make those moves is the problem that I
see at Houston. Well, yeah, when you don't have a
clear GM and you got a head coach who initially
wasn't signed on to be the g M in the
head coach. We've had that before, right Belichick head coach GM.
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We know that Mike Holmgraham head was the head coach
of GM. Like that was a thing for a while
where head coaches like that was that was like if
you had that much cash as a coach, then owners
wouldn't hire GM to put heads with you. They just
let you run the show. Well, Bill O'Brien didn't sign
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up for that, and they've been going through GM after GM.
So you're put in a place where now that you
have to in essence, like you said, stop thinking just
as a head coach and start thinking and the big
overall picture. And it's difficult to do. Sometimes head coaches
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want to win games. They just want to They just
want to win games. And all they care about our
players who want to be there and who want to
come to practice and play. They're not they're at practice,
they're not up in in in in the office while
practice is going on, and the coach as a coach
and looking over transactions and things like that. So they're
singularly focused on guys practicing and winning games. I've heard
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and I've heard at times when there has been a
dual power held by one guy of players even yelling
during practice pay me, like to the head coach who's
also the general manager, like you want me to do that?
Pay me? Now. That may have showed dysfunction in the organization,
but it also shows on how difficult that role is,
(05:34):
just in a basic coach the player relationship instead of
the the broad spectrum of running an entire franchise. It's
difficult because you do have to wear two hats. Right.
You may have a great like I've always had a
good relationship with head coaches, like Gary Kubiak was the
head coach of Houston. We had a great relationship. I
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knew Rick Smith before he got the GM job. I
knew Rick when he was player personnel in Denver. Still
go on his office, him and his family, everybody. Like
when he got the GM job, our relationship changed a
little bit. Not like it was worse, but it was different.
It's it's more responsibility for him, and our relationship had
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to take a back seat because one thing you can't
do is blatantly show favoritism as the GM, right, you
you have to write, you have to be completely unbiased.
You have to have that blanket relationship with your players.
Now you can speak to him and have a good time,
but it's just a different dynamic. I can go up
to Gary Kubiak and joke with him before every game
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the team comes out, we warm up, OFFENSI gets together,
we run our plays. Gary would find me, We shake hands,
and then I slap him on his butt, like almost
hit his bunk cheek through his hip. Right. But was
something we did and that went back from Denver. Right,
that's the type of relationship we had. Like I could
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call Gary up and be like, Yo, what's you know
and we have that conversation. When it's the GM, it's
a different feel, it's a different conversation. So having those
two hats can be a strain or for gms and
coaches for players because you don't know who you're talking to.
Am I talking to the GM or I'm talking to
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the coach? And people out there might be like, where's
the same thing. It's not the same thing. Those dynamics
are completely different. And the Miami Dolphins seemed to be
negotiating with the Texans head coach with the Texans GM
if you want to call him that, because there's no
official title, but this is this is also a guy
who is coaching for his job, and see what you
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will of I understand that Deshaun Watson needs protection and
they need to protect Deshaun Watson because he's their biggest investment.
I know that they also drafted pieces in the draft.
But if you end up going through an entire training
camp and they're like, oh my goodness, this is what
we got, then that's also on you, Like it's not like,
look at us, we may have mortgaged our future, but
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we got a left tackle to protect the Shawn Watson.
That's fine, But all of your moves leading up to
that move forced you to make that move, So that
is also on you. And that is the issue that
that I have with Houston is I just I can't
defend what they did. And I know there are some
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that say, well, now the division is wide open because
Andrew luck wasn't isn't there anymore? Heck, the Texans won
the division last year, you know, so so if you
want to say like they were considered almost the top
dog anyway, and then you end up having this sort
of off season, I think it's none of it makes sense,
and it all just shows almost um neglect, maybe malpractice
(08:55):
for what the officer, what the front office is done
in the last six months. What's been in disarray. It's
been in disarray, and this is a clear sign of
things aren't as buttoned up as one would want going
into the season. But I can tell I'll tell you
what if this all goes away right, Tunsil comes in,
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He's that solid rock that they need on the offensive line.
That Shaun Watson has a great season, they win the division,
the defense gets back to its old ways with merciless
and what no one we don't we're not even no
one cares. Right, the only time this really blows up
(09:39):
and really people are really pointing the finger at well,
look at the front office. Is if this thing just
takes a nose dive, right, you lose the division. Tennessee
jumps you, right, you you get beat by a luckless
Indianapolis colts. Things like that when stuff when stuff like
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that starts to happen. Then now eyebrows are raised and
they're like, okay, well, oh those decisions that you made, right,
that's gonna cost you your job. You have a four
hour car ride with no gas station and you're about
to stop. You're like, no, I can hold it. Okay,
(10:20):
all right, good luck. Yeah, because we're not stopping once
we pass this, We're not stopping. We are going. You
have your choice now and the Texans are going be
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was a an opportunity where I learned a lesson. I
learned a lesson from and that's just to a not
counting your chickens before they're hatched. B. Don't group everything
into to one big group. You have to let it
stand out and see that Lincoln Riley is even more
of a genius than we originally thought. So you learn
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the top two just yesterday. I'm just saying I thought
that the first week of the college football season wasn't
as exciting as we were. It didn't match the excitement
that we had anticipating Week one, just because there were
a lot of games that were one sided by the
top teams in the country. In fact, right now, the
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record of ranked teams in college football through the first
week zero and week one, the first two weeks, if
you will, of the college football season ranked teams are
twenty three and one, and the only ranked team that
has yet to play is Notre Dame, and the only
loss came in the only game that featured two ranked teams,
that was Auburn and Oregon. So everybody in the top
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twenty five outside of number eleven Oregon picked up a victory,
whether it be this past weekend or like Florida did
against Miami in Week zero. So that's why I'm saying
there wasn't like a huge expectation. But while I was
saying that the first week of college football was kind
of ho hum, Jalen Hurts in Oklahoma ended up changing
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all of that. Yes he did. And I think the
expectations for Week one in college football it's high, not
because of the matchups, it's because we get football back, right.
It's it's the first weekend where we just have college
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football and it's exciting, and it's it. That's that's all.
That's it. Then they spread the games that we had
one you know, they were Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and
in the final one today with Notre dameon in Louisville.
So I think that's where the excitement comes from, right,
those Rabbit fans. I I I had to watch my
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San Diego State Aztecs struggle mightily against We were stayed
on Facebook. Okay, we came the Aztecs came away with victory.
That should have been on MySpace. It was. It was terrible.
Six nothing was Oh god, how many likes did that
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game get? It was like five thousands of people watching
on Facebook. And I was like, I don't even know
that was a thing. All right, I'm looking for what
network and it was like f C beak. I'm like,
what is this? Oh, it's Facebook. Way to go after
going through direct TV. You're like, okay, Channe, it's not reggae.
It's not classical smooth jazz. It's not today's hits. It's
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not Christmas music. Where is f C b K? And
it was on Facebook? It was on Facebook. So I
say that to say last night's game with Jayla hurt
everybody wanted to see. Right, this is a kid for
those who have been in under a rock, are in
solitary confinement in prison for the last few years. Jalen
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Hurts was the our quarterback at Alabama and two years
ago in the National Championship Game, yes, was removed at
halftime because he couldn't throw the ball in Georgia was
pounding Alabama. So backup comes in save the day. He's
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the starter now, right, the rest is history. Is he
going to stay? Is he gonna transfer? He decided to
stay and be a backup. Right. He got an opportunity
this past season in the playoffs to kind of reverse that, right,
and he came in and saved the day. Yeah, the
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SEC title game Georgia. Yeah, And so that was the
first sign of Okay, the rebirth. He transfers. He goes
to Oklahoma. Now everybody wanted to see, Okay, Well, Oklahoma
throws the ball all right, the quarterbacks run two, but
they really air it out with that that offense. Lincoln, right,
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we're gonna see what Jalen Hurts has. And watching that
gang from the beginning, you saw what the game plan was.
He was gonna throw the ball. Who was gonna put
the ball in the air. He was gonna throw the
ball down the field to prove to people at the
beginning that this kid is a complete quarterback like the
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ones who were there before him, Baker, Kyler, now Jalen.
And I was impressed. He was this is a non
throwing this is what it's it's thought to be a
non throwing quarterback. He was two yards, three touchdowns. Huh.
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It was. It was amazing. It was. There was a
clinic that was phenomenal. And and that's to the point
of Lincoln Riley that that I think is this is misconceptions.
I think the misconceptions that we have in college football
or the NFL is that one way is the only way,
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and this player is only that. Like, we don't think
that there's a blending. Jalen Hurts is a better runner
than Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield. So you know what
Lincoln Riley does while still trying to keep I guess,
the principles through the air. You also then Taylor your
offense that has been one of the top offenses in
college football and has produced the last two Husband Trophy winners.
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Also Taylor and offense that allows him to be your
leading ball carrier. And then you also have the threat
of the past, where I'm sure Houston comes in and
it's like, well, we're not gonna let Jalen Hurts beat
us running the ball. So now you throw a fifty
yard touchdown past to Ceedee Lamb, you know, to to
go up twenty one nothing when there's no one within
thirty yards of him, because you're so worried about Jalen
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Hurts running the ball. And then all of a sudden,
how you do you have to worry about the past,
because he goes twenty twenty three and he ends up
with a hundred and seventies six yards. And I think
that Lincoln Riley was like, all right, let's just take
what Jalen Hurts does best, will utilize that and blend
that into our offense because we're not gonna expect him
to do what Baker Mayfield did and what Kyler Murray did,
but will cater our offense a little bit to his strengths.
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And then you've got his performance that he put on
last night, and this young man accounted for five hundred
and eight yards and six touchdowns by himself. Think about
that alone, right, he counted in six of the seven
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touchdowns for five hundred and eight yards. Guess who just
shot up to the top of the Heisman watch list. Well,
there are questions that if he was I think many
people have Trevor Lawrence, many people had to a tongue
of our law And then Jalen Hurts was, well, they've
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had the last you if he can fit into Lincoln
Riley's offense, that he's gonna be there. But there were
serious questions about him. Throwing them all in one game
doesn't make a season. That's not what we're trying to say.
But when you look at what that conference, the Big Twelve,
has to offer, and you think of how that league
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is not built on defense, it is it is set
up for him to continue with these numbers when you
just see the success early on in what they did
in Game one, now makes you worried. If you're a
defensive coordinator in the Big Twelve and worried if you're
another Heisman hopeful because these numbers, as great as they were,
maybe more of the norm considering what else Oklahoma has.
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I mean, this was this was game one of of
what you've got U c l A. Is your toughest
nonconference opponent that you have, Like that's it. Then you're
you're gonna have your marquee games. Obviously game against Texas
and if Oklahoma is good enough in the Big Twelve
title game, but there doesn't seem to be a lot
of resistance for that. So this is kind of a
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sign of things to come. Jalen Hurts ends up stealing
the first weekend of the college football season in doing
it on a night where there were no other college
football games, And you're right, and what's gonna happen is
these numbers that he's putting up are so inflated, they're
so big, going against that Big Twelve defense, those defenses,
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these numbers are going to get worse. And he plays
they play South Dakota next week. What do you think
he's going to do to South Dakota? And I'll tell you, lad,
he's not gonna do. That's play in the second half.
And the reason I say that is because when you
combine his first week's total to what he's going to
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get next week in two weeks, he has a potential
to be responsible for a thousand yards of offense in
two weeks. So think about that going into your conference schedule,
playing against those big twelve defenses. If you start the
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season off with a thousand yards as a quarterback, a
total of a thousand yards, you want to talk about it,
a rocket, a cannon. You've been, you've been, and he's
just gonna rack up more and more and more, to
the point where when it comes down to December and
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we're talking about who do we like for this and
who do we like for that, his numbers are gonna
be so inflated, so massive. Yeah, and and the hysant
seems to be more of a formula lately as well.
As long as your team is is good enough and
in the picture, and you have the numbers to represent it,
then then you're in the discussion. Then you go to
your marquee games and how you performed in those games,
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or maybe how you do it in November, and when
you look at their schedule, I mean that's you know,
they've got there, They've got their Red River rivalry with
Texas coming up in in about a month, because that's
usually you know, early to uh mid October. The point
is is in November and leading up to the Heisman Trophy,
you're gonna basically have your Bedlam game against Oklahoma State
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and your big twelfth championship games. So long as he
performs halfway decent, putting up the numbers that he has,
maybe the Heisman Trophy races over before it even started.
And that's that's where I that's where I'm at. It
Like when you when you see that and you saw um,
you know, over the past weekend, the guys who were
supposed to be at the top of that list, Trevor
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Lawrence didn't look good against Georgia Tech. But to it,
I mean, Duke gave a little resistance two or through
I believe three and complete passes against Duke this past weekend,
throwing for three yards and four touchdowns. So like, those
were great numbers, but they didn't grab your attention because
you were expecting that. What ends up happening with Jalen
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Hurts was there was the question of how he would
fit in. Yet he comes out and is better than
we could have ever imagined. Yeah, And I think when
you look at Justin Herbert, who was another one of
those considered to be UH top Heisman candidates and potential
first picks in the draft, and you know, they didn't
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pull the victory off, you know, and he had an
okay game, but it wasn't like, oh, here we go,
you know. Yeah, and his supporting cast because they were
they were down a bunch of wide receivers also plays
into how he performs and how Oregon ends up performing
and calling their play. So there was some criticism on
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the way that Oregon handled their matchup against Auburn up six.
The point being is when you compare Herbert to what
Jalen Hurts has in Oklahoma with you guys like Ceedee
Lamb playmakers, U two has got Jerry Judy in element
like you're throwing to these guys or Herd has nobody
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new the throw to. So so it's that even strengthens
the case for a guy like to you could have
a two against Jalen Hurt stop battling for the starting job,
battling for the Heisman. I think that's the storyline that
that many people thought that could possibly happen if Jalen
Hurts was gonna get acclimated. He's acclimated to Norman just fine.
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So there have been storylines throughout the NFL off season
and then through training camp, and specifically you would have
Ezekiel Elliott's hold out that we were just talking with
Clarence Hillip about a little while ago. Melvin Gordon's holdout
has come into play. Antonio Brown's feet and helmet issues
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have have come in. Uh, there have been conversations about
retiring quarterbacks, specifically Andrew Luck ends up calling it quits.
When you look at what is transpired, heck, even the
trades that the Texans made this weekend will have an
effect on the twenty nineteen season. Is there one storyline
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now that the season is here that that stands out
amongst them all? Or is is it has more of
a far reaching effect than the others that you see.
I think the one storyline would be the Andrew early
retirement because that had that had a significant effect on
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the division and the whole conference. So when you lose
that type of talent, not that he was healthy and
he was playing, but we didn't know. We didn't know that.
We didn't know he was going to be out for
an extending amount of time. Uh. And no one has
yet to come out and and confirm or deny that.
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They don't have to now because he's retired. So just
that because the way it came, we were I was
live on air and it just dropped in our laps.
We didn't in a game rememb Brian know we're talking
about you were talking I think about maybe the Dolphins
or Jets and I and it was something in the
a f C East where all of a sudden, maybe
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it was the Kenny Stills jay Z thing. Maybe that's
what you guys were talking about. But that tells you
on where it just came out of nowhere, like literally
dropped in our laps, and it sent shock waves through
the league, and it made you start thinking, like in
terms of that division, what the Texans needed to do
to make sure Deshaun Watson, who'd been beat up a
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bunch sack sixty three times last year, what they needed
to do to ensure that he wouldn't follow suit if
injuries continued to mount for him, and everyone started looking
around and trying to piece this thing together. And I
think that story, outside of everything else that's going on,
the holdouts, the trade eights, all of these moves, I
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think that story is the one that resonates and sticks
out the most. And I think when you compare it
to the other ones, it's obvious. I mean, not only
is he a quarterback, but he was a very good quarterback.
And not only was it a team that was in
the playoff hunt, it was a team that made it
to the divisional playoffs and some thought was a super
Bowl contender. And the reason I bring it up and
we didn't we didn't. I brought that question to you
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because I knew what the answer was going to be.
But all of these other situations are just situations that
may go go by the wayside in Week five or
didn't have the lasting impression, Like the Melvin Gordon situation
with the Chargers is one that is that is could
last throughout the season. But I don't think that there
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is at any point where we said, man, it's over
for the Chargers if they don't get if they don't get, no,
not even yeah, exactly. It hasn't even changed how you
look at the Chargers the Raiders. On the flip side
of that, when you see Antonio Brown's situation, whether he
is good or bad, it's never been well, this is
going to take the Raiders out of contention for a
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playoff birth because we don't expect them to have a
playoff birth. In fact of Antonio Brown still has his
issues in the regular season. Yeah, it's a bad contract,
but the only person that it really affects is Derek Carr.
John Gruden's not going anywhere. John Gruden's gonna be staying
the head coach of the Raiders when they moved to
Las Vegas. We just talked about the Ezekiel Elliott situation
and how really in Dallas's long term effect, it's not
(27:27):
going to be an issue because we expect him to
be here. The Andrew Luck situation now that football is here,
not only has an effect on what is going on
or what is going to go on in the twenty
nineteen season, but it even had an effect of what
happened this past weekend with the Houston Texans, Like there
could be a question on does Houston make these moves
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the way that they did. If Andrew Luck is still
a member of the Indianapolis Colts now, it seems that
the vision is even more so for the taking, even
though the Texans one a year ago. And that's what
I just find so unique. Of all these stories that
we like to follow, the lasting impact isn't as big,
but the Andrew Luck one is the one that's going
to continue to pop up throughout this season because of
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all of the trickle down effects it had for so
many teams, whether it be the Colts and he contenders
in the a f C or anybody in the a
f C South. Yeah, it's it's very prominent. And like
you said, it's a multiple prong attack, right, it's we
gotta keep our quarterbacks healthy. And this division is wide
(28:34):
open now. And I believe the team that's really gonna
benefit from this are the Tennessee Titans. I thought you
were going to say Jacksonville Jaguars. Honestly, I did, well,
Andrew look is eleven and oh against the Tennessee Titans.
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Think about that, He's eleven and oh against the Tennessee Titans.
You don't don't think they're like, Okay, it's our time now, right,
Not saying that they were afraid to compete against Andrew Luck.
But a record isn't numbers don't lie. You're leaving and
oh against a god. And now that guy's removed from
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your division. You've hovered around nine and seven for a
few years. Now think about those two wins. That's eleven
and five. That's action, that'ssion split. And I think this
decision by Andrew really uh heightened the the emergency and
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and and the the awareness that for all the teams
and in that division that look, this is our time. Now.
It highlighted the fact that Okay, it's wide open. And
for some it was gonna be a two team race,
you know, Houston, Uh, Colts, maybe Jacksonville depending on what
(30:04):
Nick Foles can bring. But now it's wide open. Who
wants it In Tennessee, Remember had an opportunity in weeks
seventeen to beat the Colts on that Sunday night football game.
That was the marquee of the winner goes to the playoffs,
loser is done and Tennessee was done. In Tennessee's got
the storyline or the situation that is going to be
(30:27):
followed throughout the season of Marcus Mariota and whether he
will be the quarterback of the Tennessee Titans after the
twenty nineteen season, Like those are we have brought up
Jamis Winston and Marcus Mariota needing to show that they
are a part of those organizations. But I think with
the holdouts and all the other stuff with Antonio Brown
(30:48):
and different things that we're looking at, that's kind of
overshadowed how those guys have played. But once the season
ends up being played in Tennessee, I believe it's Cleveland
coming up on Sunday. Once they take they take the field.
Now it's the storyline. Is Mariota good enough to be
the next quarterback? Is Jameis Winston good enough to continue
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as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterbacks? Those things are all
gonna overshadow what we've been talking about for the last paint.
And you're right in those those prospective teams, their college
department of scouting department, they're on fire, right They're going
to every single Alabama game, scouting two attack of Valora,
and they're in Oregon, they're in they're really in Oklahoma
(31:32):
there there and I'll go out there in Athens, Georgia,
right there in Georgia, they're trying to figure out. Okay,
we'll see how they play, but if you know they
fall short of expectation, we know where we're going next.
And and it says it's a big It's a big
year for Tampa Bay and Jameis Winston as well as
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wrap it up later tonight, Fox college football analyst Joe
Klatt joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Joel,
Happy Labor Day. How are you? What's up? Fellas Awre
you doing alright? Alright? Here's the deal. I thought it
was kind of a whole hum week one until last night.
How surprised were you at the amount of success that
Jalen Hurts had in his debut with Oklahoma? Well, oh man,
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that's a good question. I don't here's the thing I
don't want to say, like, oh, I was really surprised
because he is twenty six and two as a starter,
he did lead his team as a true freshman to
a national championship game. Um, you know, and and and
led him right back to the National championship game, even
though he was pulled for the second half, like he
was the sec offensive player of the year. I don't
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want to say I was shocked having said that, even
with all of those accolades you know to his name guys,
He's not Baker or Kyler. I mean, those guys were
so good and drafted I think appropriately in the NFL
for their talent and their ability to get the ball
out quickly on time. They were great passers of the football.
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And that would be the one thing that I think
we were all waiting to see what Jalen hurts is.
How was he going to develop in terms of his
passing acumen? And I think that was answered in the affirmative.
The other thing that I was so impressed with was
Lincoln Riley is a genius because he is the best.
He is the best offensive coach I think in football
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with Sean McVeigh. Um, maybe Josh McDaniels can get thrown
in there. Um, maybe there's a couple of other guys
you would maybe mentioned this dude is a savant and
he has added rinks. You know, he took what Baker
Mayfield was great at and then he made a work
of art out of that. And then he looked at
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Kyler Murraney and he sees his strength and weaknesses, and
then he made a work of art out of that.
And now he looks at Jalen Hurts and he sees
what he can do, and he sees his strength and weaknesses.
And at least for one game offensively, that was a
work of art. Guys, they were doing some things that
were just so cool it's gonna be hard to explain.
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And I tweeted it out, so if you follow me
at Joel claud you can go. I I retweeted um
um kind of a play breakdown of what Oklahoma was doing.
They ran They run this counter all the time from
where they pull their in particular to their right garden
tackle around on the left side, and they just kind
of run this like counterplay and they pulled everybody down
and then boom, they kicked him out. And when they
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got the numbers, boy, that play really sings for them,
and what they do is that they they have the
quarterback kind of read the front side of the play
or his right side, and then if he wants to,
he can go ahead and run it to the right.
If he wants he can throw it over the right
into a bubble screen. So it's putting all this pressure
on the defense just with what I'm talking about. Well,
last night they did that exact same action and Hurt
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started to take a couple of steps to his right.
Then he puts his foot in the ground and follows
the running back back to the left, and it was
like this quarterback delay counter off of triple action bubble action.
I was like, oh my god, my mind is like
blowing up right now. I've never seen anything like this.
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And it's just like the creativity and the artist try
from Lincoln Riley is is pretty exceptional. And and that's
that was my major takeaway from that game in particular.
And so this is the trend, right you have these
dynamic minds in college football, these coaches who can who
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can create these offenses based on the talent of the
of these quarterbacks. The next step would be, if they
have success with Jalen Hurt, does Lincoln Riley make that
jump to the next level. Well, I mean they've wanted
them bad. You know, last year, I will tell you
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for a fact, he could have named for the most
part his job at that level. Do you, I mean,
let's just put it to you this way. You really
think Arizona's first choice was Clippings. I mean, I love Cliff.
I mean, he's a good friend. I think he would
probably say the same thing if he was on with
you guys right now. But um, you know that they're
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coming from Lincoln. Now, here's a here's a couple of things.
And I know his wife well, and he's got small children,
and there there are advantages to being in college. Okay,
so I from I know that on a surface, you
would think that everyone would want to go to the
National Football League. But the problem with that is that
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the National Football League is built for eight and eight Okay,
So everything is conspiring against you if you're trying to
be great every year. We've really only seen one team
be able to do that, which is the New England Patriots.
Unless you've got that particular quarterback, you are not going
to be great every year. You're just not. We've even
seen Pittsburgh take little dips. You know, we've seen all
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sorts of teams take little dips before kind of coming
back up. New Orleans has taken little dips before they
come back up, and and and the precarious side of
that is that you're likely to get fired when you
take a dip, right, I mean, like that's just the
nature of that league. So if you jump to the
National Football League, if you're Lincoln Riley, I believe you're
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starting kind of a three to five year clock. If
you don't win a Super Bowl in that or get
to a Super Bowl within that amount of years, you're
gonna have a hard time keeping that job past those
that that mark. Meanwhile, on the other side, if you
stay in college from this guy is gonna make I
think he's making close to like six million dollars right now.
Um by the time he's and let me tell you
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that he's going nowhere, not not his corp. They're not
gonna fire Lincoln Riley, Are you kidding me? Plus, he's
got a going You can you can recruit. College football
is built for dynasties. You get the best players, you
get the most money. You can retain your staff, you
can hire more staff. You've got the tradition, You've got everything.
It's built to be great every single year if you
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can do that. So here's Lincoln Riley. He can legit
stay at Oklahoma for ten years. I think he could
probably play for a national championship or get to the playoff.
He's done it twice already, probably three more, four or
five more years. Within that next decade. He's gonna be
making anywhere between six and ten million dollars a year
during the course of the next decade and each one
of those years. So you have to tell you, do
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I want to start my three year clock in the
NFL for the vinity of of coaching in the NFL?
Or do I want to stay year where I can
have a dynasty, be the man, be the GM, be
the head honcho, and make between sixty hundred million dollars
over the next decade. Staying in college is not as
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crazy as people think. Yeah, they make it out to
be the second tier, you know, but you know X
Nick Sabit excellent, right, x uh Courrier depends on which
house you ask. Yeah, you know, there's there's also that benefit.
Joe Clad joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Easy
from Salama. I'm Dan Buyer, you got a firsthand to
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look at Justin Fields now in a in an Ohio
State uniform and in Ryan Day's debut as the Buckeyes
head coach. What surprised you with that? Aside from Justin
Fields actually being under center at one point during this game,
how did that debut go in Columbus in your eyes?
You know, it started off like it was going to
be an amazing debut. They were up nothing. You know,
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he had a ounted for all four touchdowns, three passing,
one running. UM. He was showing, I mean that they
had again Ryan Days, and that he was calling beautiful plays.
Their structure was amazing UM. And then all of a
sudden for the last three quarters FA you actually beat them.
Seen and so I think that for for Ohio State,
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you saw that Ohio State has the potential to be
great a playoff team. And then they also have a
lower floor than what they did last year with Haskins
and urban Meyer, because I don't think Fields is quite
the past here in particular from the pocket. And we'll
see how Ryan Dade deals with adversity, because it's coming
for them. It's coming if they play like they did
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in the second half or even in the second quarter
against the quality opponent, they'll get beat during the course
of the season. And then that's real adversity because you're
expected to win every single game at the Ohio State
University UM so, So for me leaving Columbus as well
as it looked at times for them, it's still await
and see. We've never seen a program in the history
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of our sport lose a coach that his games and
a first round draft choice at the quarterback position, and
a first round draft choice off their defense and a
defensive coordinator. And by the way, over the last four
years they've lost more first round defensive players than anybody
else in college football. So there's a lot that's going
on at Ohio State right now. At the top end,
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they can be great. At the bottom end, they'll struggle
at times. This year, I'd like to know which end
USC is on. After losing star quarterback J T. Daniels
out for the season with the with tearing after tearing
his a c l against Fresnel State, which ends up
being a really closed game, where does SC go from here? Man?
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Their schedule is so tough from I mean, it's uh,
I gotta tell you, it's I don't see it for
for USC. Coming into the year, I thought the top
end was the eight wins for them. Now they're going
to have kind of the meat of their schedule in
the first half of the year while trying to break
in a true freshman quarterback. It's gonna be tough. I
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just I don't don't quite see it for them. This
is a coach that I really like in Clay Helton.
I think he made the right moves in the off
season and particular getting Graham Harrold the offensive coordinator. I
think Graham's a really good coach. But I just I
just see for us, see, you know, some some struggles
ahead this year. I think they're gonna have a really
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hard time getting d eight wins. I thought that late
in the game Clay Helton didn't do himself any favors.
Not that we're focusing on exactly, right, I mean, it was,
but that's the reality of it, right, I mean, you're right,
you're focusing on that as well. I mean he's on
the hot seat. I think he would tell you that
as well, so he can have those types of little
type of little slip ups. Yeah, you're right, and uh,
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you want to talk about puckering up being on the
hot seat and then losing your quarterback for the season.
I mean, I don't know if it's hot anymore. It
might be the Seaton maybe burned. It may be gone,
it might be active. Probably it's probably gone already. Okay,
then what's happening to the seats in Knoxville will end
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on this note. I mean considering I know you didn't
get a chance to see it, but I don't know
if anybody needs to see anything outside of the final score.
What is Tennessee's football program right now? Um? Isn't that
a basketball school? WHOA? I think that's all I got.
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It's not It is not guys, it's not good for them.
This is a This is a fan base that loves
to take off on me on on Twitter because I
told you know, they had that whole thing when they
were hiring their coach and they thought Jeremy Pruitt was
going to be the savior and the end all for them,
and I'm here to tell you that he's not. He's
clearly a guy that was a better coordinator than he
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is going to be a head coach. And um, yeah,
I mean that happens all the time, and it's not
necessarily their fault might be their fans fault, but uh,
that's that's gonna be a program that I'm not looking
for for much. And and candidly, the SEC as a
whole had a terrible week one. Outside of Auburn beating Oregon,
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you know, the middle of that conference is not all
that strong. The top end of that conference conference is
exceptionally strong. They've been riding the coat tails of Alabama.
Nick Saban should charge. I mean, if they're running that
thing like organized crime, a minimum to everybody else in
that conference is just like, yeah, swing by and pay
(44:37):
me my money morning. And it's been like that for
a little while now. I mean honestly, I mean, and
I'll give Georgia credit is really good. And we'll see
about l s U. L s U look really good,
uh in their week one when and they're gonna have
a chance to play Texas this week. Where are you
this Saturday? I will be in Michigan Army. It's taken
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on the Amazing Blue So we'll see that one. You
see the Eastern they threw a through past to win
that game that they just had this past weekend and
that blew me away. Right. Every time that they throw,
I feel like their entire fan base that hold their breath. Uh.
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this Saturday, nine Pacific. He'll be in the Big House
with the Wolverines taking on Army. We appreciate it, Joel.
We'll talk to you again soon, Joel. Thanks, brother, have
a good one alright, alright you too. Be sure to
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
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