Do You Miss The Preseason Yet?

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I couldn't have said it any better myself. Wait, I

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did actually say it better myself last night. In our
last segment before the game, we gave our picks, and
my pick was very simply the Packers. And I'm not
always going to do out of boys, but sometimes I will. Right,
my arms are long, I don't know if they're long
enough to consistently give myself a pat on the back.

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But the idea was that the Bears were three point favorites.
That's the home field advantage. Although it may not be
worth three points anymore, soldier field generally worth that many points,
So that means on a neutral site, it's a pick
um game. And if all things are equal, and one
guy is a first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback still

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in his prime athletically, and the other guy's name is
Mitch Tropiski, who do you think I'm taking. So there's
a lot of different stuff we can take from last
night's game. And by the way, I'll give you my
thoughts on Antonio Brown and the apology upcoming in about
ten minutes. Keep in mind the Bears. They pulled out

(02:10):
all the stops. They brought back the eighty five Bears,
which was weird, right weird. It's not really an anniversary
of the eight it's like two thousand nineteen, my guests,
if it gets to two thousand twenty. But that's not
really how the eighty five Bears worked. That's really the
Super Bowls in eighty six. That's odd. But they they

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brought out Jim McMahon, they waved the towels, they had
the dynamic defense. Let's start with a couple of different things.
I told you last year, having seen Mitch Robinski in person,
having talked to the Miami Dolphins, having talked to other teams,
getting ready to cover what was the Dolphins Bears game.

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The Bears love Mitch Drabinsky, the guy love Mitch Robinsky
the athlete, and everyone else in the league says, not crazy, accurate,
and whatever the pre snap read is, that's what he's
going with. He doesn't process on the fly like the
elite quarterbacks. And the two hardest things UH to do

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to learn to do, and are frankly almost impossible, is
become more accurate as a thrower and to process what
you see quicker. And the Bears of course thought to themselves, hey,
look the reason he doesn't process quickly, the reason he's
not that accurate, is because he barely played in college,
member only started one year in college. It is possible

(03:41):
that the Packers defense is that good and the Bears
offense was that bad. These two things can both be true.
It can also be true that both of these teams
needed more preseason work. I understand the risk. I completely
understand the risk of throwing your guys out there in

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preseason games or even in these scrimmages that Aaron Rodgers
fought Matt Lafleuron. But the fact was, Aaron Rodgers didn't
even look like Aaron Rodgers last night, with the exception
of when Aaron Rodgers and the play was breaking down,
he ran around and threw the ball up for grabs
because well, that's what Aaron Rodgers does, right, Like, the
new offense and the old offense had a lot of similarities. Nonetheless,

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the Packers would want to know the Bears are oh
and one, and there's a lot of things that determine
whether or not you make the playoffs, but how you
start is a huge determinant in this league. And for
the second consecutive year, the Packers have beat in the Bears. Frankly,
for like the fifteen consecutive years, the Packers. It's one
of these weird rivalries in which, very very very very

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rarely are both teams actually good. They've played each other
for a long time, they're close in proximity, there is
a lot of history. They both had incredible franchises between
George Hallis and Vince Lombardi and the Green Bay Packers
in Chicago Bears and Jim McMahon and Bred Farve. But
outside of that, their rivals in proximity and number of

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times that they've played, not in terms of championship pedigree
on a consistent basis fair. I think we can expect
to see sloppy games. I think we can expect defense
at times to dominate, especially teams that the Packers didn't

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just sit Aaron Rodgers for preseason games. They were installing
a new offense and didn't play him in preseason games,
and he didn't play all the snaps in those scrimmages.
It's one of the reasons, by the way, I like
the Colts a little bit more than I normally would, because, well,
because Andrew Luck didn't play. It's not like Andrew Luck

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was stepping in and playing in an offense he had
not competed in Jacoby Brissette was the guy taking a
ton of snaps in preseason games and in these scrimmages
all preseason long. He's actually going to be sharper than
most of these quarterbacks. So I got my picks up
coming for you. But the Bears ceiling is lower because

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of Rabinsky. Here's Matt Naggie and what went wrong against
the Packers just a little combination of everything, you know,
I think, Uh again, I give credit to to coach
Patton on defense. I said it to you guys last year.
He's a good defensive coordinator and he does a lot
of good things, and they do some things personnel wise
that they're able to do. He's always done that, um

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and so uh. But at the same time, you know,
I just I think that whether it was in the
run game, I know we had a bunch, we ended
up throwing a lot more than passing, and for whatever
reason we did, that's not what we want. Yeah, fifteen rush,
forty five pass, a quarterback that runs it better than
throws it, a team that's designed around the run, and

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let's make make sure that Mike Petton gets his due.
I was listening on our sister station, uh in Los
Angeles a M five seventy. The carry carried the game.
On Thursday Night Football, Kurt Warner was on the call,
and he continued to point out accurately so that the
Packers that the Packers were loading up the box, they
were daring Mitch Drobisky to beat him, and Mitch Robisky

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did not have the ability to beat them. So I
think the takeaway is, you know, when when push comes
to shove, you take the better quarterback that first three
four games in the preseason, they are going to be
hit and missed because there's a there's just a lot

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of room for growth when you haven't played football in
a long time. I haven't played football in a long time,
and I thought that the floor looked like a rookie
head coach, right, Like, what is he doing challenging past
interference costing himself a time out at that point in

(08:02):
a close game, in a play that didn't appear to
be obvious offensive past interference and so it wasn't overturned.
Everybody's got to do this a little bit before they
can figure it out, all right. It happens when you
do a new radio show, a new TV show. It
happens when you know, your first couple weeks of class,

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you're still kind of feeling your way around getting to
know each other. And sure as hell happens in the
National Football League against the best of the best on
the brightest and biggest of stages, like we we put
we've put unrealistic expectations on players and oh yeah, by
the way, I kind of think it hurts the product.

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We continue to diminish the value of practice. Remember, they
practice and hit less than they ever have. They play
in fewer preseason snaps than they ever have, and they
look less sharp than they ever have. All of these
things do, in fact correlate, and thankfully for both the Packers,

(09:06):
the Bears, and the National Football League. The game was close,
and there was a big interception at the end of
a game, and even though Matt Lafleur called a pass
play when they just needed a first down and to
run out the clock on second and five, just run
the football, dummy, the Packers end up surviving the Bears.

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They were the vastly superior team. It just didn't reflect
on the scoreboard, all right. Super Bowl champion head coach
Brian Billick joins the show. Ah, how much of Traubinsky's
struggles was the defense? How much of Trabinsky's struggles was
he wasn't sharp? And how much of it is that's

(09:52):
been Trabinsky plus Green Bay Packers Mike pet m From,
a Raven defensive coordinator former Brown's head coach. Do the
Packers actually have an elite defense? And we'll get you
ready for this weekend's games all that's upcoming next, be
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Show weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app Doug gottlap
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I am really excited
to have Brian Billikan NFL Network analyst and of course
he won a Super Bowl. He was the architect of
the high powered Minnesota Vikings offense before moving over to

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take over the Ravens and led them to a super Bowl.
And he's kind of to spend some time this year
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach
Football season is here. Um, it felt like neither team
was particularly sharp, and I know that they have these scrimmages,
and you ask anybody in the NFL, and like man,
the scrimmages are better than the than than the old,
than the preseason games. But is is this a product

(10:59):
of less work eleven on eleven true live action or
was it simply two really good defenses going at it.
A little bit of both. But but I think your
point is well taken in that the way teams have
opted not to play a lot of their starters. I
think we saw an example of that last night. I mean,
I always have always said if you didn't need to practice,

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we wouldn't, right, because every time you put a player
on the field, you run the risk of injury. So
you're very trying to be very prudent about exposing your
players to injury. Having said that, you know, there's there's
cardiovascular shape, there's football shape, and then there's hitting shape
and and getting the rhythm and together. I think we
saw that example in both offenses. Um. Now, that's not

(11:42):
to say that obviously that that Chicago Beart defense is
as advertised, and I think Mike Petton and the Green
Bay defense is much better and it's it's going to
play very very well. But but to your point, I
do think it is a little bit of the fact
that teams have decided not to extend their players too
much during the preseason, and I think we see a
little of that inefficiency. You mentioned Mike Patton. Of course,

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who would know better about Mike Patton as a former
Raven guy than a former Raven guy. What is it
about Patton who has received rave reviews even in his
time in Cleveland, but especially since he's got into Green
Bay and reworked that defense. What is it about his
approach that allows this defense to be better than it
was previously. Well, he's got a great mind for the defense.
When I when I hired Mike, he had come out

(12:28):
of the high school ranks, which is a little unique,
but we hired a kind of an administrative basis, and
he worked himself into and that was his plan all
the time, obviously, to to work himself into the coaching position.
Uh kind of buddied up to to Rex Ryan and
learned a great deal from Rex Ryan, and Rex began
to rely heavily on Mike Uh. And so he's got
an excellent pedigree that way, very demanding of the players,

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but in a way that they're going to respond to
it because they know it's in their best interests. So, Uh,
Mike's the real deal and you can see what he's
done in Green Bay. It's it's awesome. Um. Trabinsky is
very athletic, seems to struggle some with processing, not not
pre snap reads, but maybe post snap reads. And there's
some accuracy issues, is there? Hey? Can you draw any

(13:12):
parallel at all between he and because I remember Kyle
Boehler being similarly athletic, similarly likable, and having obviously more
struggles with with your team's Granted, you guys were going
after Super Bowl you had to strip it down because
the salary cap stuff. Do you see any similarities there? Wow?
That's uh. And I love Kyle board, but you talk
about killing a guy now, I don't know that I do.

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That's Mitchell Trobinsky. Uh. Because, but you're right, Kyle was
Kyle had everything you needed, absolutely everything you needed, but
to some of the parts just didn't equal the whole
in terms of him able to translate it into being
an effective quarterback. Trabinsky, You're right, has all the elements.
We're going to find out because clearly he has to
step up. Bill Walsh firmly believed that you knew by

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about the game of a starter of a young player
sometimes you know before obviously a Patrick Mahomes, but they're
gonna find out about Drabisky, you know about mid season,
late late, and you know, the third quarter of the season. Uh,
he's either going to smooth that out have the higher
completion percentage or he's not. But he's I agree with you,

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I don't know that he's there yet. Um. Look, I
remember reading Feinstein's book about You and about was Next
Man Up when it talked about your preparation for coaching
job interviews and ultimately getting the job at the Baltimore Ravens.
But as you know, look, it's different once you become
head coach. Now, you had far more experience than Matt
Laflour had before he took over last night, how much

(14:39):
of some of those what feels like calculated mistakes were
simply inexperience. For example, the challenge you know in the
second half of offensive past interference or even throwing the
ball on second and five on what could have been
a game ending drive. What were your thoughts on the
floor and how difficult that transition is from a guy
who calls plays to a guy that run everything well.

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And it is a transition, and it's different that if
you become a head coach as opposed to being a
head coach and still trying to call the offense. I
call it the three am rule. When you wake up
at three am like I do every night, Um, what
are you thinking about? Well, if you're thinking about I
put the full back in the flat, I put this
receiver at that depth, well, then then then you're the
coordinator who's waking up wondering about what about this roster moved?

(15:24):
That roster move? What about this prap? You gotta have
You gotta have somebody that is focused on that and
if you're gonna be the play caller. And I found
this when I took the play calling back in Baltimore,
that I needed to have that guy that had his
eye more on those head coaching things that you need
to be aware of. For me, that was Vic Fangio.
And who better to do it than I mean, Vick
was brilliant that way. That's why I have a great

(15:45):
deal of confidences Vick transitioning from an assistant coach to
a head coach because he has done these things before.
He was the one that kind of held me in check,
that made sure that as I'm focused as a play
caller that you then there's somebody a year going coach.
We need the head coach here a second, you're coming
up on a head coaching decision because you can get
drawn into the other and that's something that Matt before

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is gonna have to learn. How much different was their
offense than Mike McCarthy's offense. Oh, I don't know. Yeah,
this is gonna sound terrible that everybody's doing the same thing.
They really are. I mean, you'd be hard pressed to
show me a team that's schematically is doing anything totally

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different than anybody else in the league, with the exception
of maybe a Kyler Murray and now we'll find out
Lamar Jackson. Okay, that that that would be a qualifier,
And that's an interesting story in itself, But for the
rest of the part, everybody is kind of doing the
same thing. So to say that they're doing anything dramatically
different than what Mike McCarthy was doing, what what Aaron
Rotress has done before, maybe in the process of it,

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but in terms of actual reads and throws and what
they're doing, you know, I'm it's it's it's it's all sixes.
Brian Billy joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, you mentioned the ravens now second
year starter in Lamar Jackson, there's a lot of secrecy
to what they're doing. They said, they've completely changed their offense.

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I guess my question you, is easy capable of being
an accurate thrower when he hasn't been an accurate thrower
at any other time in his career. Yeah. I think
they recognize and they will tell you that they they
believe he is what he is. And I think that's
good enough, which means you hope approach um. Where they're
excited is they think they're going to revolutionize the running

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game in the NFL, and if if Lamar Jackson can
stay healthy, they just might. I asked John Harbaugh when
he first started camp, and I used Cam Newton's two
seventeen year of a hundred thirty nine carries. I said, okay,
as Lamar is going to be north or south of that?
What's the over and under he and without blinking, he said, oh,
over by a lot, and and which to me? And

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so you're talking a d Now can he stay healthy?
That's the big question. If you can. Your couple combined
him with Mark Ingram Gus Edwards, UM, and that great
defense that they're gonna have like they always have. Um,
we're gonna see hundred maybe three thousand yard rushing team,
which will really make him special if they can stay healthy. Now,

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he's gonna be on probably a four year, four hundred
pitch count if he's runs that much. To my money,
every snap he throws instead of runs. If he gets
up to the four range, shows some accuracy there and
stays in that one sixty maybe range running, I think
that's a better scenario for staying healthy. But we'll see.
If he does stay healthy, they're gonna be special. Well.

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It would be interesting also because it shortens the game
and could potentially allow the defense to be even more
athletic and aggressive because they're on the field for a
shorter period time. But you've got to get that first
first down. You know, you can't have the three ounce,
but if you do, and you can't get behind, but
if you do, uh, you know you can your defense
can really load up, right. I mean there's a there,
there's a balance there that it does help you out.
Brian Billik, our guest on The Doug Gotlik Show. UM

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Antonio Brown own appears to have staved off a suspension
and kept the thirty million plus in guarantees by simply
apologizing a tear felt apology to the team. If you
were in charge in Oakland, what would you have done? Well,
it's easy because I'm not and I don't have to
pay the repercussions and it's not my thirty million. But

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this this has earmarks of not ending well. You know,
maybe it does. Maybe this was that shock to the
system that he recognizes he was being unprofessional. Uh, they've
talked a great deal about changing the culture, the mentality
Mike may have talked about in terms of the the players
that they drafted. Because the players are watching now and
and yeah, they want to support Antonio Brown. Everybody does there,

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But okay, what what's going to be allowed here? And
so the question becomes when they hit that bump in
the road during the season and Derek Carr isn't getting
the ball to Antonio Brown enough, why Because teams are
gonna take Antonio Brown away from you. Den Roefisburger had
to deal with that and he gets frustrated because he's
not getting the ball up. What happens there, particularly with
a young quarterback that doesn't have quite the chops of

(20:06):
the Ben Roethlisberger, where Roethlisberger could just you know, throw
him the hand in the elbow and say, hey, get
out of my face, shut up. I don't need this.
Um that this is I hope not. I hope for
their sake, for Mike's sake, for John's the team. UM,
I hope not. But boy, this does not bode well
unless this truly was a career changing epiphany for him,

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and that cheerful apology was truly heartfelt and real, and
he recognizes that what he did is wrong. That's that's
a lot um if and if not, if it's just
that this is the game I gotta play to get
over this hump, then uh, then that doesn't bode well
for him. I tend to agree. You mentioned Ben Roethlisberger. Um,

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they've looked sharp in the preseason, but it's the preseason,
and they believe that it's additioned by subtraction, not just
Antonio Brown, but also Avian Bell who sat out all
of last year. They take on the New England Patriots,
their nemesis more than than rival as long as Tom
Brady has been there. What are your thoughts on what
Pittsburgh is gonna look like Sunday Night. I think they're

(21:11):
gonna be better than people think. Now, you can't just
lose an, A B and a lady on Bell and
just say Okay, we're just gonna shove the next guy in. Also, though,
I will say this, I think Ben Roethlisburg, who doesn't
get the credit he's due for making these receivers good,
uh and and not that Aby wasn't you know, good
to begin with and worked hard and doesn't mean that
they're not a part of it, but he has a

(21:33):
half because they seem to hit on the receivers and
it goes beyond them just picking the right guy. I
think Rofinsberg has a way of making these guys better.
What's just a sign of a great quarterback, have great
offensive line. I think they may be better in the
front seven. So yeah, I think they're going to be
in the thick of it. Yeah, it tends to tends
the reasons they are going to be a really, really
good football team. UM Cleveland has stolen a ton of

(21:57):
headlines because of some of the big names, some of
the egos, and a lot of the discussions, but they
have some talent um. Are they good enough up front?
Are they good enough on the offensive line for all
of that talent to come out? We're gonna find out
because the expectations are there. That's going to be the
challenge for Cleveland because they are the darling pick of
everybody right now. Um, but the question becomes, you know,

(22:18):
last year Baker Mayfield was letting it fly and he
was brilliant plus six two to one touchdown interception ratio,
but he was playing with house money. It's okay, what
I saw it throw another interception, We're going to lose
another game. I mean, that's what we do here in Cleveland.
So you were kind of you had the freedom to
kind of let it fly. Well, now there's a price
to pay because the expectations are you going to be
pretty good? The expectations are you're going to be on

(22:41):
the playoffs, So that you know what happens with you know,
they can play really well and still lose simply because
it's hard to win in the NFL. So they can
be a good team. They can be much better, but
maybe they hit a stent where they're not doing as well.
Where do they lean on in terms of okay, we
can get through this because it has been such a
edition of losing there, so that's gonna be the real

(23:01):
challenge for them. How many snaps would you give to
Zeke Elliott? Yeah, you gotta be careful, you know, and
that way, you just gotta let him play. And there's
any number of people say, well when he keep back
from Manju and he went in, he had cares um.
Like I said, there's three times of shape. There's a
cardy of asters shape, there's football shape, and then these
hitting shape. Now he's some card of Aster shape. It's
probably in decent football shape, but still you need to

(23:24):
get through that initial stiffness in the in the football
moves that you make in the large muscle groups, and
then hitting shape. And the only way to get in
any shape is to get hit. And there's only so
much of that they're going to do in practice. So um,
I would be judicious with it if it feel good
and he's feeling strong, okay, but I would I would
ease him into it. If you throw them into you know, carey,

(23:47):
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So uh the Chief's way. It was at forty nine

(25:15):
days forty nine days after Tyreek Hill was cleared to
give him a huge contract. That's what. By the way,
I want to just point out this damn buyer story
that he was. He was discussing Hugh Freeze had back
surgery and had um what was it called? What? He
had staff infection, So that's why he was in the

(25:37):
hospital bed. So because they couldn't fit a hospital bed,
they paid for a dentist chair. I just tweeted out
a picture of this dentist chair which is all set
up so he could be calling a game coaching. I've
got a root n time, Hi by are too? Why

(26:04):
my mouth got drive and doing the fake sucky thing?
Do you think you'll wear the razor blade glasses that
they put on you at times. I'm telling kids, these
days have it great. Have you ever have you been
to a kids dentist at all? Oh? They sit down,
they prop them up, and they're like, hey, pick a movie.
They like, pick a movie. They got a movie screen

(26:25):
up high and put on some headphones and you're like,
go ahead, Seriously, who's scared to go to like my
kid Orthodonius dentist because it's like, now, let's go got
games in the waiting room. Kids? These days they got
it so easy. We used to. They used to chop
our mouth open with a ax saw before they would

(26:47):
put in our dentures. We all had h what do
we think of this Tyreek kill contract? I mean, pretty
obvious that they don't believe, uh, they believe that his
the mother of his child is as much a part
of the problem is as he is. Right, Yes, I was.

(27:09):
I don't think that there was any way that they
can make him the highest paid receiver in the NFL.
I don't think think that was the case. But I
think they gave him the most that they possibly could. Yeah,
and I'm sure there's some I'm sure there's some clause
in the contract which any sort of and and if
you look at the actual details of the contract. He
he though there's a the guarantee is hefty. What's the

(27:30):
actual guarantee there, Ryan, But it's only a five million
dollars signing bonus. In other words, they're trying to protect themselves,
much like the Raiders with the thirty million dollars on.
You know, if he's on the roster this year, those
roster bonuses, that allows them the ability if he gets
in trouble again, even though that's quote unquote guaranteed money,

(27:50):
to to recoup that guaranteed money. So they did protect
themselves some. And he is a dynamic football player. And
I say this about Jamis Winston coming out of college,
and I'll say it about Tyreek Hill. Okay, Jamis Winston
has actually never outside of the weird circumstances regarding the
uber driver in Arizona. And even then, we still don't

(28:16):
actually know what happened. We we got a sense of
what happened, but we don't actually know what happened. Did
he grow por whatever? It's not good. But the only
way to look at the Jamis Winston saga in colleges,
Hey look between uh civil case criminal there was no

(28:38):
criminal case title nine was he met with the Title
nine people, and he was not found to have violator
Title Title nine rights. So if you're not guilty, you're
not guilty. You can't legally or ethically hold that against him.
And so for Tyreek Hill, though he did, though he

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did plead guilty in college to abusing the same woman, Like,
we can't look at this as another case of abusing
the same woman because it never went to court. Police
in spite of all of the evidence that we heard,
had additional evidence, and they didn't feel compelled to take
him to court. So do you see the numbers and

(29:23):
you feel like, I can't believe they're so tone deaf.
They gave Tyreek Hill a contract, but the reality is
he wasn't found guilty of any wrongdoing. He wasn't suspended
by the league optically or actually audio wise. It sounded terrible.
I said it at the time. It did allow Kansas
City to protect themselves, and though they paid him like

(29:46):
his talent, they also protected themselves. In Clacy implodes, Does
that make sense sense? I don't have to like it.
He's not playing for my football team, and he's remarkably productive.
I don't know what's going on John Middlecoff. Next hour,
I'll tell you why Antonio Brown is a complete fraud.

(30:07):
Next hour talk some preseason football stuff and Bachet's gonna
join us fro Pittsburgh. Later on the show, we get
ready for Steelers Patriots. I got my five for five,
which is five college fix, five college picks, five pro pis. Ryan,
can you please put me down as one and O
on the years since I did accurately pick the Green
Bay Packers don't only cover, but also to win. Last night, Ryan,

(30:27):
you did as well. I do as well. But up
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(31:13):
what's the game, Doug? It's psychic, psychic you know I
knew that right, Yes, because your psychic. Yes, I wish
I was psychic last night. I was the one who
had the game wrong. Between you guys, I thought the
Bears water just dat. Bears played lights out on defense,
terrible on offense. I did find it interesting when they're
like Aaron Rodgers is taking over this game points. I

(31:38):
thought your tweet was very apropos I should have retweeted it.
But when you said that the new Baron Rodgers looks
very similar to the old Aaron Rodgers run, the play
don't like it. Scramble around, throw the ball either away
or up to up up for grabs. Yep, it's yeah.
I'm excited to people get at the end of the
first half and like, oh my god, Aaron Rodgers hail Mary.

(32:00):
We got yeah this again. The best play the Bears
ran the entire game was when it was kind of
there was like first and forty and they basically throw
a hail Mary and his offensive pass interference. Let's let's
get to these psychic questions. Eight of them here if
we can get to them all. Psychic. Will Antonio Brown
play all sixteen games for the Raiders this season? Hmm?

(32:22):
Will you play eight games for the Raiders? Yes? Yes,
I think they'll be mostly without incident, but there'll be
something that keeps him out for a game or two. Psychic,
weal Julio Jones is eventual new contract with the Falcons
top that of Michael Thomas to become the highest paid
receiver in the NFL. I think in terms of UH
yearly average. Yes, I'm not sure in terms of action
for a length, although Michael Thomas is really a three

(32:44):
year deal. If I was the Falcons, I wouldn't sign
him to a three year deal. I'd have no problem
with bombing, you know, give him a little extra cash
this year. Next year, they also have Calvin Ridley opposite
UH Julio Jones, and at some point you're gonna want
to Okay, you know, it could be Calvin Ridley's team
later on in the future. A psychic. Will the longest
playoffs route in the NFL come to an end this season?

(33:05):
As the Browns have not been to the playoffs for
sixteen straight seasons. Will that come to an end? I don't. Uh,
it's a hard one. I'm gonna say no because I
I do. And and part of this is the Chargers

(33:25):
are gonna be a hard one. Like Chiefs are gonna
make the playoffs, right, yes, Like okay, Patriots gonna make
the playoffs. Yes, okay. Somebody from the FC South is
gonna win that division? Are you have the Jacksonville? Yes,
I picked jackson kind of agree with you. I think
they win this weekend, by the way, Um, Jacksonville, who else? Uh?
And then and then Pits and then yeah, I do

(33:46):
think Pittsburgh wins that division. So and my problem with
the Chargers is, look, I think they have maybe the
best overall roster in football, but they're without you know,
three Pro bowlers, and one of them is at all
Pro and he doesn't come back till Novem verse, so
I don't and they're you know, traditionally slow starters. Um,
but I would say Chargers take. So now you're fighting
for one playoff spot and you have Ravens your division. Um,

(34:10):
you have all those teams in the a f C South,
dude are pretty good. You have the Jets. So I'm
gonna say yes, but I'm gonna say it's it's gonna
be very close. Speaking of the Jets and looking up
the stats, it was surprising, but they have the third
longest playoff droute behind the Browns and Buccaneers. It's been
eight seasons since that shows, and they were in They're
in the champions in um. But that just shows how

(34:33):
much parody there is in the NFL. Like you can
dislike the salary cap all you want, but it does
work for parody. I think I know this answer to
this next question not to be a shot at Ryan Music,
but will the longest playoff droute without a win in
the NFL come to an end of the season. Bengals
have not won a playoff game in seasons. The last
Bengals playoff victory came on January six against the Houston Oilers. Yeah,

(34:56):
their offensive line is an abject disaster right now. Thereout
a j Grey. They gotta figure out quarterback long term.
I'd say no. After releasing a statement that he doesn't
want to talk about his past, psychic will Patriots wide
receiver Josh Gordon be asked about his past after Sunday's
game against the Steelers. His first opportunity to meet the
media since returning to the NFL. I don't think so.

(35:19):
I don't think so. I like, I think you can
respect it's been a long time. Obviously, he had last year,
whatever relapse, whatever caused him to get kicked out of
the NFL. I do think at some point he's gonna
have to address that. But I don't think so. I
think it's a reasonable request post game when you meet
with the media psychic. Will Eli Manning be the first
starter bench this season? Two to one? He's the odds

(35:42):
on face. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the one, who'd you know, Yeah,
I'd say it's most likely he's second at three to one.
A little college football flavor. I know you've talked about
it already this week, but just to matchup of ranked
teams facing off this weekend, So who has the better
chance at the upset number twelve Texas A and M
at number one Clemson or number nine Texas the underdog
at home to number six LSU. Who has a better

(36:04):
chance Texas? They have the returning starting quarterback. They are Texas,
they are playing at home, and there's a reason they're
only six and a half point underdog is opposed to
UM and M is now a sixteen and a half
point underdog. Was eighteen and a half when I told
people to go all in on the aggies. And it
sounds like people have finally psychic A big tennis weekend.
Will Rafael Nadalo, Serena Williams come away a champion at

(36:26):
the US Open. Serena plays in the finals tomorrow. Rafa
has got a all right, there it is. This is
game time on the Dug God Lame Show. I just
got tweeted at by Hugh Freeze. Did you see this? No? So,

(36:47):
I tweeted the picture of you you Freeze appears to
be in line for a root canal while calling plays.
Hugh Freeze tweets back at me Sometimes that's exactly what
calling plays feels like. That's awesome, that's cool. Uh, he's
at the deadist chair. I think that's amazing. I think

(37:07):
this whole thing is amazing. I want to see him
be on a massage table next week, right like shirtless,
just towel waist down, somebody doing the the the elbow
thing in his back while he's got the headset on.
It's amazing. God, I love social media when used for
for appropriate means. Antonio Brown had a heartfelt apology his

(37:31):
teammates earlier today. What he said I did, why I'm
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(38:17):
Welcome in. So after all of that, Antonio Brown didn't
even get that's a slap on the wrist. Didn't even
get a slap on the wrist because Antonio Brown had
a heartfelt apology that he issued to his teammates and

(38:41):
to Mike Mayock earlier today. Turns out Antonio Brown is
gonna play Monday Night for the Oakland Raiders, who are
a complete and utter farce of a football team. What
a colossal joke. Commitment to excellence, commitment to excrement, that's

(39:05):
what it is. There's a reason they've been in the
playoffs once in the last twenty years, one time. The
idea that a guy will apologize two days after he
went after his general manager, two days after he posted

(39:29):
on social media finds that he had earned in an
effort to gain some sort of social media respect against
the man trying to keep him down. And oh yeah,
by the way, in the litany of things that Antonio
Brown has done this preseason alone, it doesn't stack up.

(39:53):
Need I remind you, Doug, don't remind us. I'm going
to anyway. The dude burned his feet in cryod chamber,
why because he didn't listen to instructions. You gotta put
on those booties before you go in. Now, I'm good.
Now you gotta put on those booties free, I'm good,
you gotta put I am good, not good. Couldn't play

(40:16):
because his feet were on fire. Then he sued the
league not once, but twice to use an illegal helmet
that was deemed to be wait for it, illegal, and
ultimately some helmet maker gave him some new helmet, which
I'm sure he's probably profiting on. But it wasted our time,
it wasted John Gruden's practice time, and it made him

(40:40):
look like complete and utter a hole. And then he
posts the fines for missing practice, missing walk through. Remember
they played in Winnipeg. He didn't have to play. He
went on the trip mostly because he had missed so
many practices. They go to win a Paig Canada and

(41:01):
he misses walk through and gets fined almost fourteen thou dollars.
All you gotta do is show up. That's it. And
then when confronted by his general manager, he calls the
general manager a cracker, which let's not begin to say

(41:22):
it's the N word. It's not. Okay, it's not the
N word, like super right wing white dude Clay Travis.
It's not the N word. It's not equivalent to it. Okay,
let's be honest. We weren't enslaved, we weren't called derogatory.

(41:42):
It's a derogatory term. But it does not stack up
with the N word, does not stack stack up with
the Jewish K word. It doesn't. You can try and
make that argument. Fine, if you want to say that's
the derogatory tournament only for white people. Fine that you
shouldn't say you should be fine for it, to spend
it for it, especially when it's a when it's a
general manager. Okay, but please, it's not the N word.

(42:06):
It's it's not. But the fact is that all reports
where he said it, and that they nearly came to blows,
and that he had to be held back by his teammates,
including Vontes Perfect. Remember and Vontes Perfect is the same
voice in the room. What the hell is going on
in that room? But for the Raiders too, not just

(42:32):
not get back their signing bonus and cut him, but
to not even suspend him for the game. No, I
don't believe that he's sorry. I don't believe that he's remorseful.
Because when you say something wrong, when you lose your mind.
Have you ever lost your mind, said something the heat
of an argument and you want to take it back?

(42:54):
How long did it take you before you need to
take it back? Sometimes right afterwards, Sometimes you cool down
thirty minutes later, sometimes later on that night, definitely by
the next day. Right. This didn't happen the next day.
It happened two days later. After Drew Rosenhouse had to
come in and go, I gotta fix this thing. Okay,

(43:16):
you got to apologize or you're gonna lose thirty million dollars.
You'd start crying in front of dudes two of you
thought you're gonna lose thirty million dollars. Thirty million dollars. Yeah,
I'd shed a tear. Hell yeah. How those actors do that?
How do they have those tears? Because if they get
the money that can make, if they can simply cry

(43:37):
on cue but for the Oak, you can't come in
now and go like, hey, we're committed to discipline and
doing things the right way. Bull bull a Right. You
had a choice yesterday, and a choice was support your

(43:58):
culture and your GM or support your players and the
inmates run the asylum, or, as the late Bob McNair said,
the prison. And you can sit here and tell me
he's your best player, but he ain't played a snap yet,
he ain't earned any equity here. And when you choose
talent over character, you generally lose. And and the biggest

(44:23):
issue with what the Raiders are doing. Players look up
to vets because bets have been there before, been there
and done that, and think of the veterans. Uh, and
think of the veterans that they brought in Richie and Cognito.
Who look, I actually know Richie and Cogni a little bit.
I think he might be bipolar. And so the good

(44:46):
Richie Incognito is kind of a good funny dude. You
see that some on Hard Knocks. But there's another side
to Richie Incognito with that is that is just flat
crazy and scary. It's a scary place to be. But okay,
one Richie and Cogni. Oh, we brought in Vontesse perfect. Oh,
we brought in Antonio Brown. So what happens is whatever

(45:07):
your message is about, knock on wood. If you're with me,
We're about culture, We're about winning. We're about nightmares. I
don't believe in dreams. I believe in nightmares. God that
I cannot believe it a gap in four in the
morning and wrote that one down and it made it
way all all the way to to Hard Knocks. Forget

(45:29):
what you say, it's what you do. And the young
guys will lead wherever the vets take them. And now
you have a veteran, the highest paid receiver on the team,
one of the highest paid receivers in the league who's
actually seen what winning feels like, never played on a
losing team, and you're telling him that you can kind

(45:49):
of say whatever the hell you want to a GM
if you're mad, as long as you apologize to your
teammates afterwards. What this really happened. Mark Davis is rolling
around in his grave. MARKU is not dead. I know him.
It's a joke. I mean, this is the biggest fest

(46:11):
I have ever seen. And and a little bit of
this is guys don't want to be wrong, and this
would be a case of a guy in John Gruden
being wrong because Antonio Brown is his toy on his offense,
his big signing on his team. Got it totally understood.

(46:32):
Doesn't mean you had to cut him, but to not
only not cut him, but you're not going to suspend him,
and you're gonna play him Monday night. Man, say what
character beats talent in talent has no character. And you

(46:53):
can tell me it's an apology, but it sure doesn't
feel like that when it comes forty eight hours after
the instant and the Raiders are no longer the commitment
to excellence. They are the commitment to excrement. This is
not the way you run a business, and especially not
the way you run a football franchise. Everyone seems to

(47:16):
know this, except, of course, John Cruden and former NFL
scout John middle Koff joins the show. Does he approve
of the Raiders handling of this particular incident? Again, I
don't think you had to cut him, but to not
suspend him what an incredible mistake. We'll get Meddalcoff's thoughts next.
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(47:38):
Leap Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific.
You guys, are his money in Vegas? Start crying? I
mean I like right there, but like go back to
your room and just start breaking down. Like the whole
idea that Antonio Brown cried because he was apologetic? Did
he cried because he was about the story? Plus million dollars? Right?
John middle Koff joins us, what's the least amount of

(47:58):
money you could lose? And and and uh and well
up a tier? Uh, probably a couple grand, you know,
you know, probably like a legitimate cry over losing money,
Probably five grand, especially if it was self inflicted, you know,
like this, Yeah, it would be something like that. How

(48:19):
bad a look. Is this for the Raiders to not
even suspend and play a Monday Well, to me, the
elephant in the room on this entire thing is just
what is Mayock thinking right now? Did was Mayok adamant
that we should get rid of him? Should we should
spend him in deefinitely? If he's not that offended then
I mean, you know, Doug, I think sometimes we overreact
to the interaction with athletes have sometimes with coaches. Now

(48:43):
it's a little bit different with an administrator, you know.
I mean that Mayoks not like I mean, he goes
out to practice, but he's not coaching anyone up, so
it is a little different. Like to me, if this
had been with the offensive coach, it wouldn't have been
as crazy. I just wonder, like Mayox admitted and talked
well about every time he spoken, like when he signed

(49:05):
up for this job, he knows he's not the boss,
like he understands grudence and power. But is this one
that he thought I should get rid of him? Or
was he did he think it's not that big of
a deal. And until I know that, I it's hard
for me to say because from Gruden standpoint, like they
brought in Antonio Brown to help them win. And at
the end of the day, their offense on paper with

(49:27):
eighty four on the field is pretty good. I mean,
they got a couple of wide receivers, they got a
pretty stacked offensive line, they got a first round running back,
they got a couple other running backs that aren't bad.
Like they should be able to score some points, but
a lot of that's contingent on eighty four being out there.
So from an I get it. I look, I get it.
You can compete and win a game, but don't you
lose the don't you lose the war, win the battle,

(49:49):
lose the war, Like you're not gonna sit him for
a game? Yeah, I mean I but but it's like,
this is what you signed up for at the end
of the day, they don't. I don't think they sign
up for that. I think they knew and I think
they knew he's a paying this level of it. I
don't think any I mean, again, if this was the
only incident, this is the only thing factor in the

(50:13):
feat factor in the two helmet things. Hey, we haven't
even talked about the report that he wasn't really engaged
and not really paying attention and on his phone during meetings, like, look,
I get when he's out there running routes and he's healthy,
he's a beast, right, But the idea that he's going
to be your highest paid offensive weapon and all of

(50:33):
these other things are happening, and then he's gonna, you know,
go after your GM after he posts his fines on
social media like, oh, we do it that they did
not sign up. They did not, they didn't sign up
for all this. No, I'm with you there. And he's missed,
I mean about five times in the last three weeks.
He just has not shown up. Now, even I get
its pro sports and weird things happen with great players,

(50:56):
but that's abnormal, you know. And yesterday I talked to someone.
They weren't sure that the Raiders told him to stay away.
He just did not show up. Now, maybe Mack did,
but I I've heard that there might have been a
chance that yesterday he was just so mad from the
previous day he just didn't show up. And that's happened
countless times, like the reason they find him. If you
look at those dates on that thing that he instagramed,

(51:18):
it wasn't just a one day that he missed for
the feat. It was another one when he went with
the team to Canada and it was clearly just a
walkthrough day of the game that he wasn't he didn't
show up. So I think the bigger picture now is
clearly by week two, week three, week four, what happens
the next time he doesn't show up? Do you do
you ever let this go? And now they're in a
slippery slope. When did they stop it? But I think

(51:40):
at the end of the day, Gruden's Gruen's nuts. And
you know, for as crazy as Antonio is, Antoni, Gruden's
pretty nuts too. Like he's he's the modern day All Davis.
I think he kind of likes this crap. Now, if
they start losing, you won't. But right now, when you're
owing zero and zero, he's the best player on the
team by a mile. Like this wouldn't fly with a
lot of coke. Just but Gruden is kind of an

(52:01):
outlier that way that he's just he's is nutty of
any guy that there is in the leader. Let's get
to actual football, close game, but not well played game.
How much of it was these are two really good defenses.
How much of it was these offenses are not sharp
because they don't play in the preseason anymore. Yeah, I
think we know the Bears defense is elite. I mean
they dominated the Packers defense looked damn good tonight. But

(52:23):
how much of that was Drabinsky? My my guy, Naggy
had had a rough game. I mean, I think once
Rogers threw the touchdown like he tried to get into
a shootout, but that was the only touchdown they were
gonna score. You could have just ran the ball. You
could have won the thing, like thirteen to ten. You
asked Drabisky to do something that he can't do, like
he's not gonna pick you apart, and clearly a guy

(52:43):
like Mitch. One of my issues, Doug, is that a
guy like I understand not playing Khalil Mack or Aaron
Rodgers in the preseason, but Mr Whisky, like, give me
a break, Like the guy should get about sixty snaps
in the preseason just to get loose a little bit.
Here's a guy that, like, the whole thing with Rabisky was, well,
you know, he didn't have a lot of reps in college,
so he should get as many reps as possible. One

(53:05):
and it's one thing, and I get you could counter, well,
he goes up against the best defensive league every day
in practice, yeah, and they probably kick his ass. So
let's just let's get against another defense where you at
least get to see different colors. And just you saw
last night, there's timings off with him because physically he
has some talent, right, he's a good athlete. He throws
like his arm strength is good. He just doesn't really

(53:26):
know where it's going some of the time. And I
think sometimes when you had a player like that who
gets out of rhythm, it can get worse and then
you kind of start pressing and he's laid on everything
and then it just snowballs on each other where the
defense just starts eating him alive a little bit. And
that's because at the end of the day, he practiced
every day against Kalil mcinro Quan Smith, but he's not
really scared about them hitting him because he knows they

(53:47):
can't where in this game that the pressure was throwing
him off. He just looked like he hadn't played in
nine months. And on top of that, it's not like
he's that good, but he has moments. I'm not writing
them off just yet. Uh just might have been a
bad game plan first week, but it was definitely concerning.
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(54:08):
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How different, in your opinion is the approach to the
Green Bay Packers offense this year as opposed to their
previous offense. Yeah, I didn't notice that much extreme last night.
I mean, at the end of the day, the one
thing this offense wants to do more than probably McCarthy

(54:30):
is to run the ball, and you kind of have
to scrap you're not running on that Bears front seven.
I mean, they're just dominant. I mean they're just they're elite.
So I think again, I I might take away from
last night Rogers and the Floor. Who I'm not a
big Lafloor guy. I'm counting me as a nonbeliever, but
I I can't have any sort of take after last night.

(54:50):
That's that's the best defense they've had all offseason to prepare.
You know, give me a couple of games to watch
because once that offense, once you start running the ball
like that big bomb that Rogers hit. When you can
start hitting play action out of that offense, it's it
is unstoppable. And when you get a guy like Rogers,
who you know you saw some glimpses last night, when
he can get comfortable turn his back to the defense

(55:11):
play action and then just sit there and throw dimes,
especially way down the field, you'd be in trouble. But
they never could really get into a rhythm. And like
I said, I I'm an anti Lafloor guy. Just I
don't really feel it, see it. I don't like his presence.
People that have been around him never really saw it either.
But I'm not gonna make some crazy judgment off one

(55:32):
game against the best defense in the league at you know,
in Chicago. All right, let's let's get to a couple
of of other storylines as we get ready for what
should be a really good week of NFL football. Um,
as much as most of these guys are not going
to be sharp, I kind of think the opposite of
the cults, right, because this wasn't their plan. And now

(55:52):
the guy that took the most reps for them in
the preseason, in the games in the Scrimmages is actually
they're starting quarterback. On the other hand, the offense wasn't
built around hill skill set. The taking on the Chargers
team that if they have their talent, if they have
all their players, it's a talent mismatch, complete mismatch. But
they don't have the left tackle, they don't have their

(56:14):
their their safety maybe the best player in Derwin James,
and they don't have their running back. Uh. Your thoughts
on Colts Chargers. Yeah, from a gambling standpoint, I like
the Charger. I think last time I saw six and
a half points been between six and a half and seven.
I think Indy, like you said, is pretty uniquely equipped.
They lost their starting quarterback, but it's not like their
starting quarterback had been taken the reps. So Jacoby had

(56:36):
really been doing at all, and really since the off
season when they when they found this during O T
A S. So their guy has had all the practice reps.
He's also played in the preseason. I mean a couple
of saturdays ago. I'm watching he drives right down the field.
Now it's against the Bengals and have the sweet touchdown
with Eric Ebron who's also a beast. So he's used
to throw into Ebron, He's used to throw into t
Y Hilton. He just on the same page because he's

(56:57):
been playing under this coach now for you know second,
he's been there the whole time. The running backs are
pretty good. Like you said, the Chargers, I still think
they're damn good. I mean the receiving corps with Hunter
Henry coming back and their two starting wide receivers are
really good. They're gonna be able to throw the ball.
But I think India is not gonna come in like
a typical team that just lost h you know, elite quarterback,

(57:17):
because he hasn't been playing. And that's where I think
the big elephant with with Luck. It would be one
thing if he had retired and then they're starting quarterback,
but he'd been out, so this guy they're they're just
kind of they're in a good spot if you are
forced to play your backup quarterback. Though. My issue, Doug,
I just don't know how good Jacobe is. I don't
know if he's bad. I don't know if he's good.
I just don't know. I can't take much away from

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two thousand and seventeen, that was Ballard's first year. Their
old line was terrible. He might be good, he might
be bad. I just think it's it's one of the
great unknowns heading into this season. Am I crazy to
like Jacksonville over Kansas City? I kind of do too.
I like all the Florida teams, just that intense humidity.
It's a tough place to play in September. I actually
think Jacksonville Leonard Fournette has looked skinny and fast. I

(58:02):
think John d Filippo got a little bit of a
row deal last year was Zimmer you know, he just
wanted him to like play like it was five. They
have a thirty million dollar quarterback. It wasn't a good fit.
I think they have a much better fit now. Uh
flip nose folds, noses, stranks and again, I think Leonard Fournette.
And I've been down on Leonard Fournette, but watched him
a little bit in the preseason. He looked slimmer, he

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was running violent. In the one preseason game I watched
him against their defense that they might have got like
the best player in the UH in the top ten
fell to them at seven in Josh Allen, who looked
unreal this preseason. To go along with the already talented unit.
The Chiefs are really good. I mean, there's no there's
no way around it, like this would be a big upset.
But I'm with you. I think Jacksonville is I don't

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just like him this week. I think they're one of
kind of the sleeper teams. Like would it shock you
if they won ten games? You know? Now, can Foles
play consistent? You know, Seember December? That's the question big moments,
But can't you just do it week in week out? Um?
He does. It's sometimes it's who you follow as well.
And you follow a guy that got people just didn't
believe in at all, and he's a guy that gets people,

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gets people to buy in. Um. The Miami one's interesting,
right because I don't think anyone knows what we're gonna
get from Lamar Jackson. I guess it's going to be
a steady dose of the run game, right, I mean
they're gonna you know, I don't know, we'll see I
mean so, but but but second half and if you've

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ever have you ever been a Dolphin Stadium or seeing
Dolphin Stadium in these getting these games, the where the
where the opposing team stands, it's literally the only place
in the stadium in the afternoon that has the sun
directly on it, right, because it's like a cutout roof,
and it is it's I mean, it's it's like you're
like a bug underneath the underneath the microsope, a microscope.

(59:52):
What's that called the magnifying glass? Right like those dudes are.
It is hot as hades there. On the other hand,
I don't have a players, do they. Well, I know
they got rid of obviously their best player on the team.
He's gone. Kenny Stills, even though he struggled, was still
a functional NFL player. You know Ryan Fitzpatrick remember last

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year when he lit up the Saints Week one for
like four hundred plush yards. I went back and looked
at that box score. I forgot they had de Sean Jackson,
Mike Evans there, tight ends are good. That that was
offensively weapon wise, was pretty stacked. My thing with the
Ravens is they lost one of the Smiths who's now
on the Packers. C J. Mosley now gone. I know
they have Earl Thomas, but are we sure he's the

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same guy. I don't think their defense is gonna be
quite the same. I just I just don't think Miami
really has anybody. So, like you said, I I would
I lean the I mean, I think the Ravens are
gonna win this game. But it's not like the Ravens
are gonna score thirty points a game. You know, I
would imagine even if they're a pretty good team this year,
they'd be middle of the pack at best in terms
of scoring average. So that's a good thing about playing

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the Ravens. They're not gonna run away from yet. And
the one thing they hung their hat on last year,
but you know, I think they were one of the best,
if not the best running team in the league. It
was their defense, and their defense was dominant, especially against
the run. You couldn't do anything again him against them.
I just I'm not saying they're gonna be shell of
themselves because they do have that defensive culture there. But
I do think they're gonna take a pretty dramatic step back.

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The probably the best game outside of Pittsburgh, New England,
especially best game considering the talent and this time of
year is Atlanta and Minnesota. Should be a great football game. Now, Cousins,
I haven't told the Cousins big game thing is in
fact real right that he does. He does get super yes,
super super tight, like lives at the facility, just a

(01:01:39):
different guy when it's a this in an early game,
but an important game. Dalvin Cook we think is fully
healthy and in year three that should be a good thing.
Great wide receiving corps, a couple of good tight ends obviously,
Cayle Rudolph back as well, and a stacked defense going
against Atlanta, who, when healthy, also tremendous roster. Like. I

(01:02:01):
actually like the Falcons of this game because I don't
love Minnesota's corners and the one thing you'd say about
that Atlanta do as well as they throw the ball.
And they got three. I mean they got a superstar
wide receiver. Ridley has turned out to be a hell
of a first round pick. The news good, I mean,
the Hooper kid, the tight end from Stamford's not bad.
And DeVante Freeman's back. He's kind of like a do

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everything running back. He definitely can catch the ball. I
just think Atlanta is gonna be able to score points.
Now when you close your eyes and you think like
that last year the Forts played them week one. Now,
grant they were coming off the NFC championship game. But
that place, that skull chance starts purple, there's not an
empty seat. I mean, it's just that place is rocking.
Here's what I do think though, and I've I've already

(01:02:42):
conceived this coming. Can you imagine if Atlanta's up like
seventeen to seven in the second quarter, like we saw
last night, the fans, We're not booing at the Bears.
They weren't booing at the offense. They were doing at
Mitch And I could see Minnesota already. It's not like
they're all completely sold on cur that if he kind
of struggles, Like you said, this is a big game

(01:03:03):
for him to kind of prove that last year even
though he actually played pretty well last year, but he
takes a lot of heat. He's a quarterback just the
way it is. I could see the fans turning on
him a little bit, and I think it's imperative that
Minnesota at home kind of gets an early lead, right.
I can just see that fan base just turning on
him a little bit mid game. Giants, Cowboys, how many snaps,

(01:03:26):
how many how many opportunities to see Zeke getting Yeah,
I just think it'd be hard. I know, Jason Garrett
I saw yesterday. He said that he thought he was
in really good shape. I just think in this in
this day and age, in in the NFL, when you
don't really wear pads a practice, it's really hard to tell.
I mean, you can somewhat gauge, like he gets on
a scale, you can tell what it's weights at, but
the cardiovascular of going up against football players, you kind

(01:03:50):
of have no clue. I would be very careful with Zeke.
You just invested so much money in this guy. He's
not just the future this year. I mean he should
be the best player on your team for the next
three or four years. I would try to just win
this game, which I think is very possible because the
Giants stink by really limiting how much you use them
and kind of using the game as a gauge to

(01:04:12):
see where he's at. But when I when I see
people tweeting, like the thirty staff, why would you push
him to the limit against the team that you should
be able to handle pretty easily. Like if Zeke hadn't
showed up this week, it's like the Cowboys would be underdogs,
they'd still be heavy favorites. I don't even know that
the line even changed that much when Zeke showed up.
Maybe a point the Cowboys should kick there. But whether
Zeke played or not, I just you know, you get

(01:04:33):
some of those soft tissue injuries, maybe pull a hammy.
You do not want to risk that the first week.
You know, if you've had this guy in your building
now what four days, three days, I'd be very very careful.
I am a Are you a buyer into Houston and
what they've done changing their offensive line, changing so much
personnel at at this day, at this point in time

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before the season. Yeah, I mean I think they're dramatic
because the first round pick, what is that in pack
them right week one or two thousand nineteen, Laramie Tuns
will huge upgrade. I think the question mark are these
two guys they drafted. It might end up being there
two starting guards in the first and second round. I
mean the guy they drafted in the first round from
I think Alabama State, Titus Howard, whether he started, like

(01:05:16):
if he does start, he would They drafted him to
be their left tackle. He clearly wasn't good enough to
do that, hence why they made this trade. If he
plays that guard, are we sure he's just not gonna
be terrible. So I watched a little bit Laramie tuns
All talking to uh to the media, and they were
asking about you know, they gave up sixty two sacks
last year, and he's like, well, it's not I can't
prevent all those sacks, right, I mean, we do this

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as a unit. And that's the thing that's an offensive line.
That's why offensive linemen aren't really stars, because they're there
are stars, the five of them together. So even if
you have the Michael Jordan of offensive lineman playing left tackle,
if the other guys aren't good, you're in trouble. So
I it definitely helps. I mean, anytime you upgrade a position,
it's not a negative, but the domino effect. If you're

(01:05:59):
still starting rookies and it turns out they're not any good,
you could still be in some trouble, you know. So
I I I gotta watch it before I think that
it's it's it's a dramatic game changer, which I think
when you see it, you go, oh, they got Laramie Tunzil. Yeah,
but if your right guards staks, you just put Khalil mcr,
Aaron Donald or whoever you know, Cam Jordan's over him
and he'll just kick his butt all game long. And

(01:06:20):
the same thing. What do you think what the Rams
did with golf? Uh? You know, I mean, I'm I'm
a Jered Goff guy. I root for him. I think
both him and Carson Wentz And you know this wouldn't
play on Twitter, but both those guys are with really
really high level organizations that are doing everything possible every
year since they've been there to try to win a

(01:06:41):
Super Bowl. I mean they're super aggressive, spend all the money.
They're not pocketing a penny that could those guys have taken,
especially Goff. You know he's gonna be there forever, like
ninety million guaranteed. Give them the flexibility to go get
like another sweet player. Why why didn't they should drive
a little bit harder because I actually think, like I

(01:07:01):
think Golf is really good. I got a lot of
people think he's not that good. I think he's really
really good. But I don't understand why they didn't at
least try to drive a harder bargain, like, hey, we'll
give you nine guaranteed. You know you have our words.
I mean you've seen our actions. We go all in
every year I mean Howry Roseman tries to trade for everyone.
Ever you're staying with less sneed. They have no problem

(01:07:23):
trade in first round picks for sweet players. You know,
we're not gonna like just start tanking once we get
you under contract. Did that extra five ten million dollars?
Especially for two young players specifically Goff? You know he's
never been injured. I don't really think in his college
or NFL career that you get a guy under contract
and he gives you some flexibility, you don't need to

(01:07:44):
go Tom Brady, right, give him twenty million dollars a year,
But when you take a hundred and ten like I'm sorry, Jared,
that's gonna cost you some players in the future. It's
just the nature of taking that much money, and it's
gonna hurt a team like you are a little dependent.
And I understand Carson, right, he's been injured, so I
get us you do the quote unquote money grab because
your career could end. But if you're Goff, I don't know.

(01:08:05):
And their agents the same guy, and I think a
lot of this Doug is listen to agents. The more
money they can get, like Jared Goff, the taxes, like
what would be the difference if he would have got
a hundred ten and ninety five million, like at the
end of the day, would have been anything, but the
agent that's a big he gets he gets his piece
of the pie off that hundred ten, not the post
tax money. So it is a game changer for them. Yeah,

(01:08:26):
and his whole recruitment to next the next guy exactly
is what I I don't get the people thinking Carolina
can beat them? Do you why again? I think like
the like the Florida teams that humidity is extreme in Carolina.
I just don't what's Cam's health like, because I I

(01:08:48):
love Christian McCaffrey and I was one that thought he
got overdrafted, and I'm I was just wrong. The game
changed so dramatically. He is such a valuable player in
the passing game. I mean, he's elite and he's he's
a really good running back, but his his elite value
is really just being able to dump it off to him.
And he's basically just like a number one wide receiver.
He just lines up in the backfield and Curtis Samuel's good.

(01:09:11):
The guy they drafted last year GJ more like they
got legit weapons on offense and their defense under Ron
Rivere as long as Keekley's on the field has been
pretty good. Like that's it's a pretty tough road trip.
It's a ten am kickoff, right, so that's an early
early kickoff for usually West Coast teams. That's never ideal,
and I think it gets easier as the as the
year goes on. But the heat, man, I I kind

(01:09:33):
of like Carolina just to keep it close, assuming cams
a percent, which is hard to assume now. But I'm
also one that likes the Rams to come back to
earth a little bit. Not that I think they're gonna
win five or six games, but I could see an
eight or nine win season for them. Awesome stuff as always, man,
I can't wait till this weekend and watching your stuff
on Facebook and listen to three and Out. Thanks much

(01:09:55):
for being our guests. Thanks Dougger, have a good one.
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(01:10:36):
year quarterbacks Mr Bisky, Deshaun Watson, and Pat Mahomes. It
is easy to bang on the Bears for passing on
Patrick Mahomes in the same draft they moved up to
get Mitch Robisky. I'm not going to Kobe Bryant was
drafted thirteen. None of you, none of you, none of
you thought Patrick Mahomes was gonna be this good. Don't

(01:10:58):
fake it, don't lie. That's news. I didn't. You didn't,
nobody did. I'm not sure any Reid did. I'm not
sure the Chiefs did, and the Big twelve. But given
us clunker after clunker after clunker at quarterback, that's the
conference that doesn't play any defense. He was erratic in college.
He didn't win a lot of games in college. I'm
not banging on the Bears for passing on Patrick Mahomes.

(01:11:18):
A lot of people passed on Kobe. You just didn't
have enough film. Where I will bang on the Bears
is you drafted Miss Robinscuye over de Shaun Watson. They
played in the same conference, the same scouts who watched
the A c C. Come on now, Deshaun Watson played
Nick Saban twice. Nick had six weeks both times to prepare.
Could not stop him. Uh okay, listen, this is interesting

(01:11:44):
because it's actually playing into my wheelhouse. I will tell
you I don't know every front office in the NFL.
I do know guys within the Bears front office. And
here's what they honestly thought. They believed that Pat Mahomes
had the highest seiling everybody did. Colin painted a picture
that wasn't truly accurate. Like Pat Mahomes. That offense went

(01:12:06):
for over seventy yards yards his last year at Texas
at Texas Tech, they were the best offense. He was
the best quarterback, He had the most talent. He had
freaky arm talent. Their fear was that Pat Mahomes was
a little bit lazy at bad footwork. You know, there

(01:12:27):
was some minor off the field stuff. There's some flaking
on meetings that they just they were a little cautious
of the floor, not the ceiling. They didn't feel and
they still don't feel that Deshaun Watson is a tenure
Pro Bowl starting quarterback that there are some look, Deshaun

(01:12:49):
Watson is incredibly tough. He had those first couple of
games the previous season before he tore his knee, but
he hadn't been perfect, and he's an injuries towards his
a c L twice now in his career. There was
some count and people forget his last year at Clemson
before he when he tried to be a pocket passer,

(01:13:11):
he wasn't great. The story of the playoffs when Shaun
Watson won the National Championship was he got back to
running the football and playing out of the pocket. He
tried to prove to everybody his last year at Clemson
that he could be a pocket passer and he struggled
with interceptions, forcing balls into traffic, reading defenses. So they

(01:13:33):
thought with Trabinsky, Trabinsky was the opposite of Jay Cutler,
not that refined, super talented crazy athletic, but an unbelievable person,
leader guy, and they thought we can deal with the
rest and fix some of the rest. Did they make mistake?
I think the answer is yes. But you have to

(01:13:55):
also understand that one of the reasons Pat Mahomes is
able to be this m v P quarterback is that
he sat behind Alex Smith and learned from Alex Smith
in terms of the way in which you handle yourself,
study film, and didn't have to play early on and
refined a lot of his you know issues. And he's

(01:14:16):
with a great offensive coach and with great offensive players,
and they have to play and score a bunch of
points because they don't have a very good defense, which
gets in the ball more. Mitch Drobiskie plays in a
similar system, but with such a good defense, they feel
like they can be a lot more conservative. And he

(01:14:36):
had to play his rookie year and he didn't play
a ton in college, and he's been everything they thought
he would be as a leader. And for Deshaun Watson,
who has had more success, but he's also been injured,
and still there's the question can he be a true
pro style quarterback? So I mean that's that's that was

(01:14:58):
the bearest perspective, like, look, the Bears feel like I
just didn't play well last night, and Green Bay is
really good. Both of these teams do get the benefit
of finally now having played, didn't sustain any major injuries,
and they'll have the weekend off, they'll be conditioned while
fresh and rested. And oh yeah, by the way, I
know ro Kuan Smith made some mistakes last night. That

(01:15:20):
guy's a phenomenal talent. Like it's not Khalil Mack and
the rest of that defense is good. You had ro
Kuan Smith with his ability to cover the field. Holy cow,
are they gonna be good? Um? I feel like Trabinsky
is the next Dak Prescott. I'll I'll explain how that
matters and what you should expect from Dak upcoming. Plus, hey,

(01:15:43):
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(01:16:04):
you know why what season? Is it? Football season? Also
baseball season. We're in September now, kids, right, that means
baseball kind of matters. Going to uh, this can be
a hard one. Uh my uh closest friend got dugout
seats Giants Dodgers Saturday evening at Chevez Ravine. Great rivalry,

(01:16:28):
although Giants aren't good this year. But it's at six o'clock.
The Texas LSU game starts at four thirty. So that's hard.
That's that's difficult. And you know I'll be getting the
nudge on my from my wife and being on the phone,
Like now, on the phone, I'm watching the game. It's
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(01:17:14):
last night, shall we yesterday? At this time, I picked
the Packers over the Bears. Now, some of this is
self pat and I'll have bad picks, and I will
I will own up to my bad picks. But my
thinking was, I believe I've I've talked to people in
the league, I've watched what this Packer team has done.
I believe in Mike Petton as a defensive coordinator like

(01:17:37):
that guy's a good coach, and you put good personnel
with good coaching, and you give them some consistency two
years in a row. Now he's better than Dom Caper's.
This system fits their personnel better, and they've improved their personnel.
I though the defense is gonna be damn good, and
it is. But you can bind the lack of sharpness
with the Bears offense combined with Mr Drobiski and here's

(01:17:58):
Matt Naggio. What went wrong? Just a little combination of everything.
You know. I think, Uh, again, I give credit to
to coach Patton on defense. I said it to you
guys last year. He's a good defensive coordinator and he
does a lot of good things, and they do some
things personnel wise that they're able to do. He's always
done that, um and so uh. But at the same time,
you know, I just I think that whether it was

(01:18:20):
in the run game, I know we had a bunch.
We ended up throwing a lot more than passing, and
for whatever reason we did, that's not what we want.
Fifteen rush forty five past Matt Naggy saying, hey, that's
on me. I call the plays. The truth is it's
on Drabinsky because Drabinsky has to make them come out
of the box. Here's the Packers quarterback Treymon Williams what

(01:18:44):
he said about Drabinsky. We wanted to make miss play quarterback.
We knew they had a lot of weapons. We knew
they were dangerous, we knew we knew all of those things.
But we knew if we can make Mits play quarterback
that we have a chance. Yeah, we made him play quarterback.
We made him not only make throws but also make reads,

(01:19:06):
and they confused him. Look, the scatterport on Mitch Drabinski
is he comes up to the line and his pre
snap read is usually pretty good. But if you if
if the post snap read is different than the pre
snap read, oh he can struggle and at the end
of the day he'll turn and run and use his

(01:19:28):
athleticism to make plays. This is bitch Drabinski downplaying the
preseason as part of his struggles last night. I know
you guys are gonna try to draw like comparisons like
that and UM, but but really it had I wish
I could have said this before. The snaps in the
preseason has nothing to do with the way like we execute,

(01:19:48):
cute execute, or the sloppiness was tonight because it was
just like that. We weren't We weren't doing that in practice.
We were smooth and practice it was Chris getting and
getting calls in UM and just everyone doing their job
and exical in our place. So it just seemed a
little scattered tonight, UM with all our personnels and HUM
just just trying to find a rhythm and trying to
find our identity on offense, and we just put ourselves

(01:20:10):
in in bad situations and shot ourselves in the foot. Yeah. Look,
when it gets real, gets real, it's called game slippage.
You guys ever heard that term game slippage? Game slippage?
My daddy should talked about that all the time. Right,
Like in basketball and football, you make the every practice,
you over emphasize spacing, you overemphasize every fundamental and you

(01:20:31):
have to make your practices look as game like as possible.
Oh yeah, by the way, that's the magic to the preseason.
It's never going to replicate the amount of energy and
the intensity of the regular season, but it can replicate
it a whole lot more, a whole lot more than
you know, simply practicing against the ones when you're wearing

(01:20:53):
a red jersey. I believe that this is a sign
of what you're going to see this weekend. A lot
of sloppiness because a lot of teams didn't take a
lot of snaps in the preseason. And I believe that
Mitch Robinski is a lot like Dak Prescott. He benefits
greatly from the team that he plays on. And we
want to do the win lost thing, and I get it.

(01:21:14):
I understand that we want. We can't watch every game,
we can't watch every snap, we can't watch every throw,
So we have to find some way to determine how
good a quarterback is. At the end of the day.
Win loss is a good one. But I think a
reasonable person could pick fifteen other quarterbacks last year with
last year's Bears defense, with their play calling, and say

(01:21:36):
they would have been okay, right, they would have won
their division. The Packers were a mess. The Lions were
for the first year coach. The Vikings had a bunch
of injuries and their offense didn't work either. And you
had the most dominant defense in the NFC. You just
find a way to score a cup points. Obviously they

(01:21:58):
dealt with bad kicking game. Look, but I just I
think the preseason matters last night stated that much. I
think Rabinski's ceiling, I continue to say is lower than
other guys, and he benefits from the class group around him.
I do think he'll improve, but I also think the
Packers will get better. That was their first foray with

(01:22:20):
their new offense, and really Aaron Rodgers getting live reps.
But this is this is Dak Prescott man. A guy
who can run it, a guy who can make some
of the throws, can make some of the reds, can
win some of the games. But he's not the reason

(01:22:42):
that you win. And sometimes it will keep you back
from hell, hold you back from winning. That's Dak. What
more did you need to see the last couple of years,
when Dak didn't have Mark Cooper before he got a
Mark Cooper, and when he didn't have Zeke Elliott and
didn't have Jason Witten. No one's won without players. But

(01:23:05):
when you're missing a guy and you still have decent
players and you can't win games, you can't move the ball,
and you're not putting up big numbers when you get behind,
what's that tell you? You know, people were critical of
Matt Naggie's play calling last night, but this is similar
to people being critical of the play calling last year
with da Alice Cowboys. Maybe, just maybe the reason the

(01:23:29):
Cowboys called the plays in which they did was because
they didn't think they had a quarterback who could make
some of the plays that you had have with more
ornate play calling. Sometimes guys just can't make those throws.
You can draw up much you want, you can't throw
it on target, on time. It doesn't matter so rhythm.
It's really hard to establish rhythm. And the Packers are

(01:23:52):
a good defense, and honestly, playing out a Thursday speeds
up the process not being ready for a Sunday. You're
not sharp, you don't take snaps in preseason games. All
these things are explicable, but it's also important to point
out that this is who Trabinsky was a lot of
last season, and though there may be some improvement, at

(01:24:14):
some point, this is who you are. Come up next,
We'll check in with the Steelers. How much are they
cackling over this a B drama? And are they as
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around the country. Let's start with Nate Taylor. He covers
the Chiefs for The Athletic. Follow him on Twitter at
Bye Nate Taylor. At Bye Nate Taylor. Uh, Nate, what
do you think of the timing and the total of

(01:24:57):
Tyree hills new deal? Well, thanks for having me on, Doug.
It's the timmy was right for both parties, and that's
what I'm gonna write in The Athletic today. Uh, Tyree
Hill did not want to start the season in the
final years what you deal without sort of guaranteed money
and more or less trust from the Chief's organization to
keep him around moving forward and the Chiefs because of

(01:25:18):
everything that happened in the turbulent off season with Tyree Hill,
I actually get a pretty too friendly world wind. He'll
considering that he will not be the highest paid receiver,
which was something that he and Drew Rosenhouse's agent wanted
at the start of the off season. And there's protections
on both sides for the contract as if anything happened
or occurs, the Chiefs will not really give up much

(01:25:40):
beyond sort of the the thirty five million dollars that
are guaranteed to him eight excuse me five pot eight
of which we're sort of giving him through signing the
contract today. Um so, really, Tyree Hills only on the
hook for essentially three years and thirty five million, with
the understanding that obviously he can reach the full max
of the contract if he you know, obviously plays well

(01:26:02):
and mostly stays out of trouble for the next three
and a half season. All right, They getting ready to
take on Jacksonville this weekend. Jacksonville was the team that
Pat Mahomes struggled against last year, wasn't it right? Yes? Correct,
he did not start a touchdown and he actually two
two picks against the Jaguars. Uh, I feel like and
look their favorites on the road. But considering Jacksonville's new

(01:26:24):
life with their new quarterback and offensive coordinator. Um with
you drafting Josh Allen and playing in the heat, Yeah,
how has Kansas City been able to prepare for all
these things? Yeah? Well, I'm gonna say the Chiefs it's
hot here in Kansas City, so it won't be the
same type of humidity, but it's been pretty warm. I
mean today it's in the low nineties, which is similar

(01:26:46):
to what it will be I think on Sunday, which
will be around the high ninety seven range. But for
Patrick Mahomes, it's about understanding. He knows at least some
idea of what to expect from the Jacksonale Jaguars given
last year, and the Chiefs Moe confident because they have
more weapons to get Patrick Mahomes, which is kind of
scary for the rest of the league. They drafted this
young receiver Mcole Harman, who's not as fast as Tyreek Kill,

(01:27:08):
but it's pretty fast in his own right. Sebby Watkins
is in his second year in the offense. They still
have Travis Kelsey, Damian Williams and the Sean McCoy are
gonna be the primary running backs in the backfield. So
because this week one because Andy has been five and
one in opening games as the Chiefs had coached. There's
a sense in the Chiefs facility that there's a comments
to the idea that whatever the Jaguars throw at the Chiefs,

(01:27:28):
the Chiefs will have a counter, will have an answer,
just because you're combining Patrick Mahomes and gifted ability, the
skill position players that I just mentioned earlier, and in
fact that Adie Reid has obviously been drawing up some
creative plays during the end of the season, and obviously
on Sunday. The big thing is their defense, right, Um,
they change some pieces, how much better do they honestly
believe the defense is. I've mentioned this before and I'm

(01:27:51):
gonna mention it to you, Doug, think about this. All
that the Chief's defense has to do is show up
for work on Sunday and just to be average. That's
all the Chiefs are asked of them, particularly from Andy
Reid and Red Beach and even the new different suppordinators
see Spagnola. They just have to be the middle of
the pack. They don't have to be eighty five Beers,
don't even have to be as good as the Beers
were last night against Daron Rodgers. They just have to

(01:28:12):
be capable enough of guinea turnovers, be competitive on third down,
and just show up and don't be terrible, which is
what the Chief's defense was last year. They almost waited
to the Super Bowl. So it's the Chiefs believe that
they're still gonna average roughly around thirty points the game.
The defense only has to be around that fifteen to twelve,
maybe even eighteenth ranked in total defense or scoring defense

(01:28:33):
to be a successful team that can contend for the
Super Bowl. So all the Chiefs to have to do
against Jacksoville, if obviously tacked a little for net, keep
you know, Nick Foles from going off on them, and
really just don't make any major mistakes because again, the
belief around the facility is that if the defense holds
the opponents to around twenty four twenty seven points per game,

(01:28:54):
Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid in that offense are gonna score
in the thirties and that should lead to success this season.
He's for the Athletic Fall on Twitter at by Nate Taylor. Nate,
great stuff, enjoy Javil, thanks for joining us. Thank you.
I gotta go. Mary kay Cabot, long time sage of
all things Cleveland Brown's Wisdom, go to Cleveland dot com
or follow on Twitter at Mary Kay Cabot Cabot with

(01:29:16):
the C A B O T. She joins US high
high expectations and Tennessee a team three years in a row,
nine and seven with a stout defense and a good
running game. Um, what inside that building? What are their
fears for this upcoming Sunday? You know, I don't know
if they have fears for this upcoming Sunday. I think

(01:29:38):
the vibe here is one of a little bit of
swagger and confidence. When we had Franky Kitchens today, he
seems really relaxed. It just almost seemed like it feels
like the hay is in the barn and they are
ready to roll on Sunday. Um, what about the offensive
line that that seems to be the only part of
this roster that people can pick at. How problematic could

(01:29:59):
that offensive line be? Hum? Well, you know, I think
when you're talking about offensive lines in this game, it's
more so the Titans offensive line that needs to be worried,
you know, than the Browns. The Browns will have some
question marks at right guard, but you know, it's it's
nothing that is catastrophic at this point. That had the
same guy there for four weeks, Eric Cush, and he's

(01:30:20):
really the only sort of question mark on the line.
But when I look at this game, I've been looking
at the Titans line matching up against the Browns defensive
line and watching Miles Barrett all season, all preseason long.
I mean, he just looks like he's going to be
a looad for them. Odell Beckham Jr. Can't seem to
get right with that hip. What is it? Is it

(01:30:41):
a hip pointer? Like he couldn't He didn't really, at
least in the clips I've heard, articulate exactly what's going on.
What is the issue with that hip? Well, we were
told in Indianapolis, uh in mid August that it was
not a hip pointer. Uh So I suspect it's probably
more of a hip flex or type of thing, but
we haven't really been told that. I'm just kind of

(01:31:02):
ruling other things out at this point. But he seems
a little bit distressed and baffled by it. However, I
will say that Freddy Kitchens really tried to downplay it
today and just said he's ready to go. I asked him,
will he be on any kind of a pitch count
and he said, uh no, he's he's going, you know,
full go in this game. And I think that Odell
intends to do that, but if this hip is really

(01:31:24):
bothering him, it's something to watch early on in the game.
It does feel like they want to play really fast offensively.
Now I know some of that was things that they
were working on in the preseason, but it feels like
that's how is that, in fact how they want to play,
uh more how Baker played in college opening up, play fast,
play some tempo football, I think so. I think they'll

(01:31:46):
see some of that. I think they're ready to put
the ball in Baker's hands in some situations and and
let him go no huddle and basically run the show
and and take matters into his own hands and use
his vision and and his playmaking ability to kind of
just go out there and and do his things. So
I do think that you'll see some of that. I
think they're gonna start fast. I think that they're going

(01:32:07):
to be really super aggressive. We've seen it already. Freddie Kitchens.
I don't think they're gonna mess around. I think they're
gonna get out there and in front of their home
crowd and try to get the crowd into it with
some big place early on and go explosive and just
go for it. Mary Kay, you've covered this team for
a long time. Can you remember a season where there
was this much hype, this much hope from from the

(01:32:29):
fan base? Right because it they Cleveland the Browns For
a long time, you know, since the drive in the fumble,
there has been a what's gonna go wrong next? Right?
Can you remember so much hope and hype surrounding the
Browns anytime recently? Well, you know, I mean there there
have been a few other seasons. You know, when they
were coming off of ten and six in that year

(01:32:51):
with Dereck Anderson and Braylon Edwards, when they were coming
off that season, they will put on Prime Time six
times that following year, and there was lot of buzz
about this Cleveland Browns team. But I would say that
it's even more so now because Baker Mayfield looks legit.
Now You've got O'Dell here, Jarvis, Nick Chubb, David and

(01:33:12):
Joe Cup. It just seems like there's so much more
talent than there has been before. And uh, you know,
on the other side of the Ball obviously, then Myles
Garrett too. So no, I would have to say, in
the time that I've covered it, this is right right
up there with anything I've ever experienced. Mary Kay Cabby.
You want to know anything about what's going on in Cleveland,
go to Cleveland dot com or follow her on Twitter
at mary Kay Cap, Mary Kay great stuff. Enjoy the

(01:33:34):
Tennessee game. Thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me.
I got a guy and Michette has been covering the
Steelers since nineteen five. Now works for the Athletic. Follow
him on Twitter at Ed Baschett. Uh. So, the Steelers
have obviously gone the opposite way of say Cleveland. You know,
it's not that they don't have talent. They got a
lot of talent. But you're looking at Levan, Planet, Jets,

(01:33:54):
Jersey and Antonio Brown. Let's start with Antonio Brown. This
has to vindicate the others, doesn't it. Oh? I think so,
you know they uh, they took upbeating. I think when
they made the trade, people thought they would get more
for him. Some people thought they shouldn't have traded him. Um,

(01:34:16):
but yeah, it's it's playing out, Dug the way that
U it played out here. A lot last season, you know,
with and some of that never came, never surface, some
of the stuff he did, and um, now it looks
like it's all coming out up there out there in Oakland.
And let's let's talk about this Steelers team. In the
limited instances I've seen them in the preseason, they look

(01:34:38):
exceptionally sharp. Let's start with the defense. Um. Two years ago,
Ryan Shasier gets hurt and of course they had to
catch no catch play against Pittsburgh. But but the Chesier
injury really derailed them, and he was incredibly important part
of any team, but especially the way steel the Steelers
were built. Have they finally now recovered with their personnel, Well,

(01:35:00):
I think they've they've certainly covered a weakness which was
inside linebacker Doug Um. You know, they they they were
very weak last year. They couldn't find a replacement for
shas here, and this year they believe they have not one,
but two and in Devin Bush and Mark Baron. Baron
the starting inside linebacker from the Rams and Bush of

(01:35:23):
course a number ten overall pick, and they'll join Vince
Williams that gives him a solid inside Um. They added
Steven Nelson um cornerback in free agency from Kansas City
cornerbacks has been historically weak here UM and now they
have him and Joe Hayden UM and Terrell Evans, our

(01:35:44):
first round pick last year at safety. UM. They believe
it is going to be a good one. So their
defense overall should be better than it was last year.
And last year it wasn't bad. They led the league
in in um sacks, tied for the league in sacks
actually the last two years, and UM we're six yards allowed.

(01:36:07):
The problem was they couldn't produce turnovers and they think
they've been they've been working on that a lot. I
think it's going to be a better defense. Okay, Tom
Brady has traditionally had his way with their defensive style.
It is a bad matchup, but this is a different
Tom Brady. He's a little bit older and they're a
little bit more traditional in terms of how they run
the football. How do you believe they match up with

(01:36:29):
what we think we'll see from the Patriots. You know,
Patriots scored only ten points in their game and last
year against them, when the Steelers beat them in December,
of course that was at hind S Field. Everything changes
up there in in in Foxboro, but Um, the one
area that two areas to look for in this game

(01:36:50):
is the stewers trying to get a push up the
middle against the news center. Um and Brady. You know
all quarterbacks hate it, but Brady does not like to
at that stuff in his face up the middle. But
the second thing is they're starting a free safety. Sean
Davis is out and a new guy, Um, Cameron Kelly

(01:37:11):
is going to start in his place. He came from
that spring football league. Dallas cut him last year. He's
gonna start. Brady has been known to pick guys like
that apart, so that that's worth watching. Well, let's get
to their offense. All reports of offensive line are is outstanding.
Lost in a lot of this stuff was Ben did

(01:37:31):
throw for over five thousand yards. How has the transition
been for Juju Smith Schuster now become the number one threat?
Well we'll see, Doug. Um. You know, those guys didn't
play they they hardly played in the in the preseason,
but uh, they have. They really think Juju is is
the real deal. Um, he's going to see more double

(01:37:53):
teams because Antonio Brown is not there, so others are
gonna have to pick it up. Um and we don't
those others too much. Donte Moncrief has had a soso career. Um,
they signed him in free agency. And James Washington is
only in his second season. He only caught sixteen passes
as a rookie. Uh. They'll use their tight end Dance McDonald,

(01:38:15):
They'll use James Conner, They'll use this other running back
in the receiving game, Jalen Samuel's. But I think you're
gonna see them try to run. I think both teams
it's gonna be a little surprising Sunday Night, Doug. I
think both teams are gonna try and run the ball
a little more. Um overall sense, like when you're around
that team sometimes you feel like it's a special team.

(01:38:38):
Coming off of last year's disappointing end all the dysfunction.
Does this feel like a super Bowl team? It feels
like one that can contend. You know. Um, they they
have all the pieces to be a contender. Everybody has
their faults. Um, they still have the quarterback, he's still

(01:38:58):
on top four. They're defense is gonna be better. They
missed last year by that tie in Cleveland and banking
the playoffs. I think they'll be better this year lates
into I don't know, but um did they do have
a tenas they have a number of years here and
great stuff. Awesome to hear your voice. Can't wait to

(01:39:20):
read your coverage of Steelers Patriots Sunday night, Fox Bro.
Thanks for being our guest. All right, Doug, thanks for
having me. So you needed a guy, We got you
a guy right there. You go. Um, you know what
we got time for. We got time for some picks.
I won't winners. Well, we got him five NFL five

(01:39:44):
College five on three. It's five for five with Doug Gotlin.
Let's go five. Let's get it. Huh, let's get it
all right? Can we start with five college picks. Let's
do that five college picks, five pro pit Frive Pro
Frive pro picks every Friday here on the Doug Gottlieb

(01:40:04):
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, two huge games this weekend.
We will pick them both. We will not simply pick
off the radar games. If we can. Let's start with
A and M taking on Clemson. Now, it should be
point out that when it was eighteen and a half
eighteen and a half on the third, I said, dude,
you gotta take A and M eighteen eighteen and a half,

(01:40:28):
Jimbo Fisher, his team lost by two points in a
hard fought game. Granted, different starting quarterback last year at
this time or Clemson. Forget Trevor Lawrence did not start
in that game. But Trevor Lawrence didn't look sharp against
Georgia Tech Rambling let rack held in the completion percentage
one t D, only two interceptions, two interceptions, only a

(01:40:50):
D sixty eight yards passing the football, and look, recruiting
was never the problem for Kevin Sumlin. This ain't This
ain't uh Joe's versus Schmo's game. This isn't a pros
versus Joe's game. Granted, Clemson has a bunch of pros
and elite level talent, an elite level quarterback that was

(01:41:13):
nothing that far behind. Also, consider this is really the
first big game Clemson's new defense will face. They lost
seven defensive starters to the NFL after last year. I
still love A and M at sixteen and a half,
not as much as I like did eighteen and a half.
I think it's close game, guessing Clemson wins, but wouldn't

(01:41:33):
be crazy to think A M's got a shot. Light
Texas taken on l s u um. Look. Sam el
Inger is returning as starting quarterback. Remember their last time
they took the football field, they beat Georgia in a
bowl game. And I'm with you. You know it's a

(01:41:54):
letdown game for Georgia because they lost the SEC championship game.
But Texas is talent has been there, they haven't had
the quarterback and though Ellinger is not a great thrower,
he is a great competitor and a great runner. And
I'm sorry, I just coach O's team being a six
and a half point favorite, even with Joe Burrows, who
came into his own late last year the Ohio State transfer.

(01:42:15):
I I like Texas straight up to win the game.
I think that's gonna be an incredible football game. And
for Texas, a place that traditionally doesn't have a great
atmosphere because they haven't been great in such a long
period of time and they haven't seen enough of them yet,
I think it's gonna be a good atmosphere. At least.
Take Texas with the points, and if you really want
to gamble, take him to take him on the money line.

(01:42:39):
Uh b Yu lost last week two Utah right I
lost last week to Utah, but I actually kind of
like him a little bit more than other people do. Remember,
though their quarterback is young, most of their players are old,
and most of Tennessee's players are super super young. They're
still trying to figure out their offensive line. Uh. This

(01:43:00):
is a little bit more about Tennessee, who of course
lost at home to Georgia State, than it is about
b y U. But it's still a little bit about
b y U. B y use fund b y U
as an athletic quarterback. I'm gonna take b y U
as a four point dog to beat Tennessee because remember,
the second Tennessee gets behind in this game, they'll start

(01:43:23):
to get super tight, super nervous. You just can't fake that.
You can't. You can't. The players will feel it. And look,
Zach Wilson wasn't great with two interceptions last week, but
he is a run pass threat, second year starter for
the y I think he has a good game. I
don't think he picks apart this Tennessee defense, but I
think they look at some of the ways in which

(01:43:43):
Georgia State ran the football and they run it the same.
I like b y U over Tennessee. Same for North Carolina.
Remember North Carolina, we all got caught up in Mac
brown dancing, but we didn't get caught up in is
mac Brown winning against the Miami team? Young at quarterback,

(01:44:04):
didn't look sharp against Florida. Not a huge buyer into
it as opposed to what North Carolina storing out there.
Mac Brown's team beat South Carolina. Sam how at quarterbacks fine?
Two touchdowns known receptions. They didn't run a great but
their defense was outstanding. I think this is a really
close game. Miami lost the sloppy game to uh to Florida. Uh, Sam,

(01:44:27):
how did throw it deep down the field ten yards
per tempt? The team ran for two d thirty eight
yards in their win over South Carolina. I like. I
like the Heels straight up at home against the Kings.
At last game, USC taken on Stanford. Now, the big
news in this game is that Stanford is down their

(01:44:48):
starting quarterback, right, that's why the line has changed. But
did we not forget that USC is also down there
starting quarterback, that J. T. Daniels is not there. Um
USC is just not great, not physical upfront, and Stanford
is and USC is coming off a game which they
could have lost to Fresdo State. Stanford's coming off a

(01:45:11):
game which they could have lost Northwestern kJ. Costello is
not gonna play. Davis Mills is gonna play. But if
we're really gonna question whether or not Stanford can find
a way to run the football, that's who they are,
that's that's that's in their chemical makeup. Costello was good
last week before injury, SI hundred fIF two yards, one touchdown,
own receptions. I'm just not a buyer into USA. Didn't

(01:45:33):
look well coached, looked a little bit scattered, not dominant
on the defensive front, and I feel like this is
gonna be a really close, hard fought, ugly game in
which Stanford shortens the game Stanford wins straight up. All right,
let's get the five NFL picks up coming next. In
the up coming next, be sure to catch live editions
of the Doug dot Leap Show week days in noon

(01:45:53):
I Heart Radio app Doug Got Leap Show, Fox Sports Tradio,
part of our five for five We'll give you five
college picks. Okay, gave you A and M B y U,
North Carolina, Texas and Stanford all underdogs this week, Let's

(01:46:13):
get to the pros. Shall wait? Uh? It is going
to be a ten am local start for the defending
NFC champion l A Rams as they take on the Panthers.
The Rams had the second best passing offense in the
NFL last year second and points per game. Panthers last

(01:46:34):
year eighteenth against the pass and points per game. They've
improved some Cam Newton hasn't played and he's coming off
shoulder surgery. The idea he's gonna be sharp for a
guy who's never really accurate to begin with. I find
hard to believe. Jaredoff doesn't just have a big contract.
He's got Cooper cut back, He's got Todd Gurley back.

(01:46:55):
Jared Goff is really good. The Rams are really good.
I don't understand why they're a point to half favorites
right now. I'm gonna take the Rams and I'll laugh
all the way to the bank. Browns Titans. People keep
Cowherd picked against the Browns a long time ago. Tightens
this Titans. That dude Marcus Mariota has not looked good
in the preseason. It appears he's this close to losing

(01:47:19):
his job to Ryan Tannehill. Meanwhile, the Browns they can
just score and the Titans and scoring last year, and
they have a new offensive coordinator, and I just don't
think they're gonna open up their offense for for Mariota
because I don't think they believe in him. Browns is
gonna score early, Brown's gonna score often. Brown's gonna run
the Titans off the football field. I like another favorite
in the Browns, and let's get to one more favorite.

(01:47:43):
I know that it's South Florida. I know that it's
hot as all get out, but I don't think the
defense will be on the field nearly as long because
the Ravens are going to run the football so much.
In short, in the football game, they'll catch the league
will catch up to Lamar Jackson what they're trying to do.
They will figure out this complex running scheme which has

(01:48:03):
parts vier, parts triple option, part zone read. And though
he's not crazy, accready, he can throw the football downfield.
And you're bringing Hollywood Brown back to Hollywood, Florida. That's
where he's from. I like the Ravens big Ley right
Dolphins that their head coach, the former defense coordinator, is
a good one, but it's his first game as head coach.

(01:48:26):
I just I don't see this being competitive at all.
Give me the ravens um. The upsets I have are
these Jacksonville Jaguars. They did the best job of anybody
against Pat Mahomes last year, and their defense got better
drafting Josh Allen. Their defense got better, and their offense
is much better. Nick Foles a massive upgrade, and John D.

(01:48:48):
Philippo's an upgrade. Jags win at home in the heat
against the Chiefs and the Steelers. I gave it out
on the six of August. Steel's gonna be the Patriots.
It's not November, it's not December, it's not the playoffs.
It doesn't mean the Steelers are going to be better
than the Patriots. But the Patriots don't have a starting center.
Patriots are trying to figure out how to replace Rob Gronkowski.

(01:49:11):
Patriots wide receiving corps not quite sharp there, and their
defense usually figures it out. Six seven weeks into the season.
Give me the Steelers and the five and hal points
five one there it is five NFL. Let's go five
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(01:49:58):
everybody caught Tony Current his tribute to Red Cash in
last night on Thursday Night Football with his first down announcement,
doing it like the old referee did who passed away
this offseason. I know everybody under thirty five had no
idea what Tony CURRENTTI was doing, but that was a
tribute to Red Cash in last night. The official practice
report is out. Antonio Brown practice with the Raiders today

(01:50:20):
in advance of their game Monday against the Broncos, and
so far, so good for the last three hours. He
remains on track to play in that game Monday night.
It's amazing how Jon Gruden can stand up so straight
with no spine. That's really remarkable. Chiefs gave wide receiver
Tyreek Killer three or extension or fifty four million dollars. Uh,
it is very much team friendly, though not just in

(01:50:41):
terms of dollar figures, but if you look in the details,
five million up front, the rest of those guarantees roster
bonuses means he has to behave like a good citizen,
otherwise they can jettison him. Some injury news in the
NFL ahead of Week one. Vikings wide Receiverstefon Diggs questionable
for their game against the Falcons because of a hamstring injury.
Mike Evans was sick today for the Buccaneers. Bruce Arians

(01:51:02):
though thinks you'll be able to go Sunday against the Niners.
And finally, Chargers kicker Michael Bansley is questionable for Sunday's
opener against the Colts because of a groin injury. And
and the and the the the money Badger, as he's
called the money Badger, Michael Badgeley was the answer to
all the Chargers kicking issues. Can you imagine the Chargers
no left tackle, no starting safety, no running back, and
then issues at kicker. This feels like every Charger season ever.

(01:51:24):
I was gonna say, otherwise the norm. And finally, Stephen Jones,
the Cowboys VP, told one oh five point three the
fan in Dallas. They hope to get Dak Presscott a
new contract prior to Sunday's game against the Giants, but
if they don't, they'd still be open to talks during
the season. You know, the longer you let it play out,
the longer the average for the top quarterback is gonna be.
On the other hand, you can't see just how good
Deck is with this team. Bag it out there and

(01:51:46):
pressed that the press. All Right, you got our picks.
Dan Baier beyond on Sunday, he does a great job.
Back on Monday to see how we did. Enjoy the weekend.

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