September 12, 2019 • 48 mins
Doug argues the 2 things every dynasty in the NFL needs are disciple and luck. He also discusses the Saints and tells you why he’s not sure if they’ve moved on from the blown call in the NFC Championship game. Plus, he talks to National Champion and former Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops joins the show to give his thoughts on the current Sooner team and why he decided to get back into coach with the XFL.
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South matchup losers oh and two. Look statistically oh and two,
very very steep climb to getting to the playoffs. But
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let's react to the news of the day. This is
really really important. Sam Donald is out with mono. Under
the headlines you would never you didn't think you would see.
You really didn't sit think you would see an NFL
quarterback out with the kissing disease. Now, I've never had
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mono nucleosis, knock on wood. Very important to point out
ever had it. You don't necessarily get it from kissing.
You can't get it from drinking from a cup that
somebody else who had mono drank from. But it's generally
known as something you get in college when you're making
out with people who are making out with the people.
I'm going to sell my sister out here because the
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first time I heard of mono nucleosis, she was a
freshman at U c. L A. And she came home
deathly ill. And the freshman fifteen became the freshman minus fifteen,
as she was sick and at home in bed for
a couple of weeks. I was like, what is mono nucleosis?
All the kissing disease? But Sam Donald is out? The
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Dolphins stink. The Bills have the hit and miss throwing
of Josh Allen at quarterback, and if you want to
crown him, we will crown him. The Patriots essentially won
the a f C East going away with the news
of the day. Oh, by the way, in addition to
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beating the Pittsburgh Steelers already three to three and looking
like the best version defensively of themselves in years, they
may actually add Antonio Brown for at least parts of
this season if he's not going to be suspended or
doesn't do something else stupid. Regardless of which, the Pats
are the best team in the n f C, and
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god forbid AFC East, and god forbid there's some sort
of injury that derails them. But I continue to look
at the Pats in a really unique lens. The Jets
are gonna match up with the Browns, and the Jets
have this murder's row of schedule of the Browns the
Monday night game, by the way, Odell Beckham Jr. Came
out and criticized Greg Williams, his former defensive coordinator who's
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now the defensive coordinat of the Jets. Will play that
for you a little bit later on the show, saying
that Greg Williams ordered cheap shots on him in the preseason.
We'll get more on that, But they're the Browns are
a team. And I said this earlier yesterday on the show.
I've said it throughout the week, and I said earlier
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on callin Cowhard Show, like, I don't think the watch
is a huge thing with O. B J. But I
think the watch combined with him not showing for O. T.
A S, combined with the constant conversation coming out of
Baker Mayfield's mouth coming on the back of of having
to cancel a preseason scrimmage um midway through with the
Colts because of too many fights with eighteen penalties in
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the first game. That team lacks discipline. It doesn't lack talent,
it lacks discipline and maybe some cohesiveness and a better
offensive line. So you stop and think, and we're having
this discussion yesterday. Dan Buyer said he's a calm major, right,
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and Ryan music said he's a He was a journalism major,
and I set him a marketing major. I only took
one journalism class, was in junior college. I wrote for
the Golden West College student newspaper, and though I did
some sports, I also was a food critic. It was
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a money play by me. I just want to point
that out, because any I could just go to a restaurant,
get a free meal and then write about it in
the student newspaper at Golden West College. Tell me there's
a Tell me there's a greater play than that one,
right there just isn't. When you're low budget and you're
you're in college and you're you're trying to lay low
and pay twelve dollars of credited at Golden West College,
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getting a free meal is pretty awesome, especially at any
restaurant in Orange County. But the reason I liked I
I frankly loved studying marketing in college at the Spears
School of Business at the Oklahoma State University, was that
we did all these case studies, right like my my
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favorite two or new Coke. Do you guys remember new Coke? Right?
There was there was coke, and coke was the most popular,
but pepsi one all the taste tests, right. I don't
know if you guys know this, but they would go
and they'd have blind taste tests, and pepsi would always
win the blind taste test. So Coke reformulated itself and
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they had new Coke and they did away with old coke,
and there was a massive revolt, and like six months
later they did away with new coke and they brought
back old coke, which became Coke Cold Classic and once
again re eventually regained it storm as the number one
soft drink in America. Now there was a It was
a great case study as to why it happened. Part
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of it was a blind taste test. When you just
sip pepsi, it had more sugar in it, and so
in small doses you like pepsi more. In large doses,
you like coke more because the original formula wasn't a sweet. Additionally,
there was the brand of people just grew up liking coke,
liking the can, and liking associating the taste was something
they liked, even if they actually liked the taste of
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pepsi better neither. My second favorite one was the Chevy
Nova Okay and Chevy Nova was a failure, not just
in the United States, but more because they tried to
sell it in Mexico. Anybody speaks Spanish, do you know
what nova means? And Espanola no is no Va is go.
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Pretty hard to sell a car that's called the no Go.
Who knew? Right? But you get a bunch of white
dudes in Detroit and like nova love it? Like the
Supernova Like yeah, kind of doesn't translate. I love case studies.
Like even to this day, if somebody said, like, hey,
you want to go back to school, like, m do
you want to go back and do a bunch of
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case studies? Yeah, I'd love to know the iPhone? How
that how that hit? I love? No you know? Uh
you name it? How did Amazon go from where it
was to now where it is now? Netflix and the
decision to go from basically Blockbuster online to this streaming
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service which is more valuable than Disney had that happened.
And when we do the case study of the New
England Patriots and the twenty years of consistent dominance, I
would say there's two things that we can take away. Hey,
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one is disciplined. It is disciplined. I mean, remember they
They punished west Welker because he made fun of an
opposing coaches foot fetish. It was funny, it was hilarious,
but it lacked discipline. Just because you can doesn't mean
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you should. And Bill Belichick has always disciplined his stars,
even chastise. Tom Brady suspended West Welker, gotten rid of
star players, Randy Moss when he stepped out of line.
Richard Seymour, you know him. It That team has never
lacked for discipline. Chad Johnson was undisciplined in his route running,
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in his preparation, and in spite the fact that he
was a pro bowler before he got there, he couldn't
hack it with the Patriots. Why lacked self discipline not talent.
The other part is luck right. The Patriots did nothing today, nothing,
but they just won two more games. The Jets were there,
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most likely competitor in the a f C East. It
doesn't mean the Jets were at their level. But Levi
on Bells having an m R I on his shoulder.
Quincy and Noon, while they signed to a new big deal,
is out, maybe his career is over with another neck injury.
And Sam Donald's out for at least four to six
weeks with mono nucleosis. They never get they're not even
gonna be competitive, canceled the season. Essentially, if you're the Jets,
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they've been fortunate. They've been lucky, right, and what is
lu luck is when preparation and timing meat coincide. They've
been lucky to be in the a f C East
all these years. That doesn't just have one dysfunctional franchise,
it essentially has three. You know, the Jets had those
two runs to the a f C Championship game, but
they can never figure out the quarterback position, and they've
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had a revolving door as far as GM and head coach.
The Miami Dolphins have constantly been in search of the
next Damn Marino, and they have yet defined. It wasn't Tannehill,
it's not Rosen. It might be to a And we're
a year away from knowing if he's even going to
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be picked by the Dolphins, and we have no way
of knowing if a five ft eleven quarterback left handed
can run around and make plays for the Dolphins that
haven't been made since Dan left I mean, hell, they
even got lucky hitting Tom Brady. We can sit there
and go like man, they were super smart that took
him in the sixth round. That means they passed on
him five times, so did the rest of the league.
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They also got lucky that Tom Brady, while becoming a superstar,
was damn good looking and married a supermodel, so he
didn't need a bunch of money. Like, you can't tell
me that there was some thought that went in, oh, well,
draft Tom Brady and when he becomes good, he's from affluence,
so he'll take less money. They had no idea. That
is simply luck. Simply luck. They had the discipline to
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not overpay for West Welker. He walked out the door,
and they got Dannie Almond, Dolan and Julian Edelman. They've
been disciplined in who they've gone after, in the amount
of money they spent, and they've emphasized discipline to their team,
and they've been flat out lucky. They let Jamie Collins
go and now they got Jamie Collins back to an
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already dynamic defense. I mean, you're kidding me. Even the
Antonio Brown, which may end up never happening. The fact
that they got arguably the best wide receiver in the
game in a situation where he has to perform and
he has to behave or he's out of the league.
Come on, man, some of that skill, but some of
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that is where timing, it's preparation. There's luck. It's oh,
they got lucky Andrew Luck retired. I mean, think about it.
The Cults were a really good, really well built team.
And Andrew Luck, if he had stayed healthy, would be
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a would be an absolute issue for them for the
next ten years. And now he's out of football, and
sure they may have to go through Kansas City again.
You got a little lucky with an offside penalty, didn't they?
But the fact is they're always going to have ten eleven,
twelve wins. I mean, think about it. Look around. The
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a f C has never been the equal to the
NFC in terms of ratings because of the markets, which
by the way, is attracting the stars. Cowboys are in
the NFC, Eagles are in the NFC, Rams in the NFC.
I mean, your competition is the Broncos you can't find
a quarterback, the Raiders who can't find a home and
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can't keep players, the Chargers, who can ever stay healthy.
It was the Steelers, but the Steelers who had a
lot of luck, had a lot of fortune, suddenly became
unlucky and lost their discipline. Right, so they jettison Levan Bell,
the jettison Antonio Brown, and now they've tried to regain
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their discipline, but they've been unlucky in terms of their
timing and the town. Remember the Pittsburgh Steelers run where
they've been consistent. They've had it too now, right are
They've been fortunate to be in a division with Cleveland
and Cincinnati, two dysfunctional and one cheap franchise, And their
only competition was the Baltimore Ravens, who they basically split
games with. But Baltimore has never really figured out the
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quarterback position. They had Flacco, didn't love Flacco, and they
just made do with the defense and a good running game.
And by the way, anyone who says luck is a
bad thing, why do we wish people luck all the time?
Why do we wish guy walks out the door about
to play a game, all right, good luck? We say
it in the theater, break a leg. Luck is not
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a bad thing. Discipline is not a bad thing. Both
are needed. And when we do the case study as
to what led the New England Patriots for being the
most consect consistently dominant team in the history of the
National Football League, luck and discipline. San Antonio Spurs the
the Tim Duncan, the Celtics dump games. They had two
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lottery picks to get Tim Duncan and they didn't get them.
That's low key and how do they play very disciplined.
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. So well,
come in Jason Lackhamp for a CBS NFL Insider. Um.
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I don't know if you've heard the most recent Odell
Beckham Jr. Cut, but he just went all in on
Greg Williams, saying he told his guys to take cheap
shots at him when Greg was in Cleveland last year. Um,
how do you think this plays out? Oh? Boy, I
don't know, Doug. Um. I mean, I would like to
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think that there was very little chance that there would
be some sort of altercation or interaction between a player
and a coach. Um Monday night, I don't think there
would be. Um. You know, I know Greg pretty well,
and Greg is not one to back down. Um, he
a leaf from a lot of things. But I also
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don't see him getting in a situation where he's having
a war of words or something with so Del Beckham before, during,
or or after that game. Um. You know, obviously the
bounty gate stuff got a lot of attention if you
really peeled all the all the layers of that onion. UM,
a lot of what sort of got the headlines. Ultimately
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there wasn't evidence to back that up. Um. But but
you know, Greg doesn't hide the fact that this is
a physical game and he expects his teams to play physical. UM.
And you know he was obviously in Cleveland. A lot
of people there know him. So you know, well, well,
well we'll see. Um. I I I tend to think
this would be a whole bunch of midweek bluster, you
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know what I mean, And it's it's not anything that
we see play out on the field. I certainly hope
it's not. What about the Jets, is it okay if
we just say, all right, let's cancel the season? Right
that there were a team that people thought would be
a playoff team and now you look at their moves.
You know, a noon had neck issues before this year
and that might be a career ender. Uh, you don't
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Sam going with Mono. That's the first I can remember
of an NFL player contracting Mono. Um, yeah, I don't
know that. I have a whole lot of previous case
history with that in the NFL. UM. And then you know,
now Lebyan's gotta have an m R I and the
shoulder Quinn and Williams has got an issue, a knee
issue as well, Like did this thing? It's over before
it starting. A most well, the beginning part of their
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schedule was going to be a bear anyway. Um, and
it was always sort of the back end where if
they were going to make Hay and being as sending
team and and proved to be something better than they've
been in the last few years, it was probably always
going to be with a late run and some of
these individuals might not miss that much time and and
you know all of them other than a Nu should
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be back, you know, second half of the season. But yeah,
it's it's a troubling trend, right and and uh, these
things tend to fortunately snowball in the wrong direction as
to San Diego or well, and having them with San
Diego has happening in l A Chargers as well. Um,
and they don't really have a kicker, you know what
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I mean, like that they had a kicker last year. Yeah, exactly.
So Look, man, some franchises just don't seem to have
difficulty getting out of their own way, whether they called
it and the Jets in their past certainly have, or
whether things you know, are out of their control like
their quarterbacks, immune system or whatever. Um, it's just unfortunate timing.
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But you start looking at their schedule the next few weeks,
and that whole might be bigger than I anticipated, because
I did think they're a team that could, you know,
maybe come out of it eight and eight, nine and
seven if everything broke right. But but things already aren't
breaking right. All right. Thankfully we've gone twenty four hours
now without a new Antonio Brown story. But of course
we're waiting to see if the league is going to
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take any action. What what what are you hearing about
the likelihood the league does something about a civil suit
that's not a criminal Yeah, I don't know, you know,
and I don't think anybody knows in the league even
right now doesn't know. They're gathering evidence talking to people.
I mean, insomuch as there's evidence really to be gathered
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and they've launched their investigation. But it's not like there's
this absolutely scientific threshold they have to meet where it's
like now it's automatically commissioners list and this and that,
you know what I mean, they they the path they
go down is at there and by day, I mean,
we're really talking about Roger Goodell, you know, some lawyers,
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probably Adolpho birch Um, maybe that you know, maybe a
little outside council obviously, you know, Lisa Free and the
people they brought in to help investigate a pretty small
group of people who will ultimately make that determination. Um.
And I think if anybody tried to lean or guess,
you know, they would just be doing that guessing because
if you if you all these cases are different, right,
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and it's not like in the past you've been able
to draw. Oh well, they did us here so that
you know what I mean, So that means this will
happen here or that will happen here, like a lot
of us did that with Tyreek Hill. Right. Oh well,
because Jimmy Smith got this for saying something, and because
we've seen this and because of what happened in college?
And you know what I mean, because maybe he wasn't
forthcoming about everything and he got nothing. So I would
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be the first to say, I don't know, and at
this stage, I don't believe they know. Doug Gottlip show
here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the voice of Jason
Locke and for CBS NFL Insider, Um, what about the
Pittsburgh's here's Ben Roethlisberger said. You know, he all of
a sudden became banned Bland. Ben, the guy who used
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to give us, you know, digs on Todd Haley or
or the goods on what wide receiver ran the wrong route.
Suddenly now he's like, hey, all, I can concentrate the
quarterback position. We all need to play better. That that
was an embarrassing performance. Like it's one thing for Brady
to beat them, he always beats them, but to get
rung up like that. How troubling was that for Pittsburgh.
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That's their bugaboo, you know, I mean they Foxburg. I
thought they'd keep it close. I thought the offense would
show better than that. Um defensively that they don't seem
to have an answer for that crew and have it
no matter what, you know, what type of Patriots team
we were looking at, and lord knows, their identity can change,
you know, series the series much less, you know, play
the game to game and year to year. Um. But
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I'm not ready to write them off by any stretch yet. Um.
But they think that that better be you know what
I mean, like that that should be the worst they
look all year. Um. But they also have a way
of playing down to teams at certain times. And we'll
see if that's out of their DNA now that they've
obviously walked away from some players who they felt like
from a chemistry standpoint, we're holding them back. You know. Look,
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I can't knock Bend for doing what he's doing because
I was among those who when he would play the
passive aggressive word games and stir the pot without pretending
like he was stirring the pot, you know what I mean.
I I was like, that's not beneficial, Like that's not leadership,
That's not what quarterbacks do. So I can't whether he's
plutting on the front or not. I gotta give him
credit for at least realizing that the way that he
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likes to get the drama going, which makes him feel
like people are against him, which gets him up to play,
doesn't always help everybody else around you, you know what
I mean, That's not always conducive for everybody's a game,
even though there are times in the season where he
seemed to like to conjure up some sort of straw
man that he could then knock down. Jason Locka Flora
joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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You also have been a big buyer into Lamar Jackson.
But but but people around the league, are they saying
that's the real Lamar Jackson or is it more Holy Cow?
The Miami Dolphins stink. Well, I mean a little bit
of both. I mean, the Dolphins are going to be
really bad. But I don't think that Dolphins gonna every
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week um and I don't think they're gonna have like
I don't think you're gonna look at the stats at
the end of the year, you know, and they're gonna
have given up, um, you know, eighty five touchdown passes
and have a fifty eight point five km QB rating
against them. So and I would say if there is
a discernible strength of the Dolphins roster, it is the
secondary and over their cap is in their starting secondary
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and they just paid Xaviian Howard in May, like you know,
he gave him thirty odd, you know, close to thirty
million and upfront guarantees when he was set to make
one million, because he's really really good, you know what
I mean. They took Fitzpatrick where they did because, like
you know, that's kind of where people thought he was
gonna get drafted because like with the heck of a
college player, and they had no answers, and they had
no answers for the dudes who were playing their first
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NFL game, you know, Hollywood Brown in particular, and then
also Boykin. So look, the Ravens are gonna be handful
for people and teams in the division that might have
a little bit more of a handle on them. Truly
truly elite defenses. You know, I think we'll slow them down,
but they're going to be awful, difficult to shut down.
And um, Lamar will make some mistakes. We'll have to
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run the ball more than he did that game. Um
it's going it's not always going to look that pretty
and that perfect, but I think it's going to be
highly effective, highly dynamic, must see offense. Um and I would.
You know, I've I've been saying that for quite some time.
That's not because I saw them do that to the Dolphins.
It's because everything I've seen and heard for a long
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time led me to believe those are the type of
performances that on their day they can have. How big
a day, how big a night is this for Cam Newton?
I mean, he's been in the Super Bowl, you know
what I mean, he's he's he's it's been the highest
paid player at his position, and I think twice during
his career played in a bunch of playoff games. UM.
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So I'm not gonna buy into too much of that. UM.
I think it's that's a big game for Ron Rivera.
You know, um as well, I think it's a big
game for a lot of people there who have yet
to probably show David Tepper, the owner, the best of
what they are. UM. And it's still a long season
and all that, But you get the first two at home,
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you find a way to lose to the Rams, even
though you were the better team for the most part,
A for a couple of boat aheaded plays. Um. You
couple that with a loss to a Tampa team that
most people don't think is very good at home on
a short week, I would say questions start being asked.
Um saying all that, I think they take care of
business tonight. Yeah, I mean home teams are fourteen or
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fourteen and three last year and Thursday Night football. No
reason to believe that that that wouldn't continue on on
that short week. Jason Lampford joining us here on the
Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cowboys looked incredible.
Kind of same question though about Cowboys Giants I had
about Ravens Dolphins. How much of that is Cowboys got
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good personnel and new play calling and Dacks coming into
his own How much of is the Giants just kind
of stink? No. I think that the Cowboys are no
longer going to be held back by Jason Garrett and
Scott Lanahan on offense, and it's going to be far
less conservative, much more go for the throat, much more
turning first down into a throwing down, much more, really
spreading people out, running out of more spread formations. Um.
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And and that's going to be a boon for them.
And I think they're going to be a very successful
offensive football team. Um uh, saying all that, Yeah, I mean,
the Giant secondary was absolute garbage. Um, it was just
it was hard to watch honestly at times. And it's
not going to be that smooth every week, and there
will be adversity, um, you know, and I want to see,
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just like I want to see the Ravens defense tested
by a real offense. You know, I want to see
Dallas and do dude still getting suspended and can they
keep their best guys on the field over the course
of sixteen games? And you know what does that look
like moving forward? We really you know, they they got
their early lead, the Giants were never really in the game.
So there's other elements of those teams I want to
find out more about. But based on who they were
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playing in game flow in those games, you just weren't
going to Yeah, no question about it. Doug Alex Shawn
Fox Sports Trayer. That's Jason law Camphora, CBS NFL Insider. Um.
I mean, look, Tennessee's nine and seven the last two years.
And while we're all freaking out about the lack of
discipline in Cleveland, we're also not pointing out the Tennessee
went in and got a huge, huge win, uh, with
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a quarterback who's been much maligned. Right, Like Marcus Mariotta
was holding on by by his fingernails to that starting
position before week one. Um did that obviously change? Right?
That seemed that that had to solidify him and buy
him some ec what he didn't. I mean, I don't
think he was at risk of getting yanked at the half,
although I mean I think at one point in that
game though, he was eight of eighteen for like a
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buck fifteen or something. And I'm not talking like super
early in the game, like when that game was competitive. Um,
he made some nice checkdown that you know, running back
took one about eight yards to the house. I'm not
ready to crown Marcus Mariotta off of that. Um, I'm
just not. I mean, the Browns kept flipping the field
with penalties and you know, ridiculous turnovers late, and I
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think that the fourth quarter of that game told a
little different story than the game. In this totality, I
didn't think the Titans would win. I give them full marks,
and Mike Rabels done a nice job there. I still
don't I don't buy the Titans personally, and I still think, um,
if I could get a you know, if people have
odds on Mario to finish in the season. I wouldn't
look at week one and say, oh yeah, he's definitely
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gonna be there guy all sixteen weeks um. But they
they look they were the better team. Trudeo's for them
for taking advantage of things when they were there. But
I think you know, it's it's the market, the Mariota.
Things got to play out. Jason, great stuff man, Thanks
so much for joining us. Should be an awesome week too. Yeah.
I look forward to Bunny. Thanks for having me. That's
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three pm Pacific. For the most part, the Saints are
saying all the right things to take on the Rams
this Sunday at the l A Colisseum, and they're they're
acting the way you're supposed to act, as if they're
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over the blown pass interference call. Here's Saints wide receiver
Michael Thomas talking about the Rams exactly what they told
you it was. It's just another game. It's another game.
We're don't want to know this past week now we
have another opportunity to become to I know. So it's
the next big game. Here's a key to leave who
of course places for the rams. Talking talking about the
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blown call in the NFC Championship gamem Sean Payton said,
here's the thing I want to make sure, like I
think there's a perception that we keep complaining and bitching
about it. Honestly we haven't at all. Peyton, you know,
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uh he uh. He said that it really validates how
poor the miss was. It was probably one of the
worst mistakes in the history of officiating. Asked in any sport,
he said, yeah, Well, I gotta I gotta massively disagree
with you. Gonna massively disagree with you. That call, for
the record, was not a game deciding call. Remember that
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was on third down. Was not a well thrown balls
during the inside instead of the outside. And do I
think they missed it? I do? Do I think it
was as as egregious as one um angle of it
looks no the angle from behind, you can't see that
the player and the ball arrive at almost the same time.
I will grant you, Nickle Robie Coleman did plow Timmy
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Lee Lewis he did. That was past interference, but it
was not so agreged to like worst call of all
time like seventy two Olympic team had they replayed something
three times and finally the Russians beat us on the
third on the second replay. That really happened. Judgment calls
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did not make it that egregious. I mean the fail
Mary was was worse, granted, not as important to play,
and it's just important remember that the Saints Rams. The
Saints kicked a few goal afterwards. All they had to
do was stop the Rams. Then in regulation they could not.
They got the ball back just in overtime and couldn't
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score to start overtime. It didn't decide the game. That's
just the cold heart truth of it, the cold art truth.
Drew Brees said, I think everybody was in a pretty
deep depression for a while. It's probably the worst feelings
I've ever had as an athlete. We'll just leave it
at that. Does it sting? Does this thing really go away? No?
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I don't think so. I mean, there are defining moments
through my career that just torment me a little bit,
but it's also what drives me. Unfortunately. The heartbreak is
just part of the process at times. Now that's a
fair statement. You also have to remember how they lost
the year before, right, Like context does matter and everything.
This is the New Orleans Saints, a Saints team that
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you know, they felt like their championship, you know, dynasty
was taken away by bounty Gate. Like my perspective on
bounty gate has always been, they were told to stop,
they didn't stop. They got caught on multiple videos and
multiple situations with the exact same thing, and that's why
they were punished. They weren't just punished for offering up
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bounties that other people had. They're punished because the league
found out they're offering up bundies and said hey, cut
it out, and they didn't do it, and and there
was evidence of evidence of the bounties. But they feel
like that was during they had a window to win
more than one championship and the league decimated them with
their penalties. And then when they get back to playing
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in the playoffs and they got a good team, they
go on the road against the Minnesota Vikings and they
have a game one and a rookie defensive back takes
a bad angle, has his head down and dozen tackles
Stefon Diggs and they lose a game they they felt
like they should have won, and then the very next
year they haven't even better regular season and this is
how they kept out of the scriple. So within the context,
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I under stand why it's so devastating. You feel like
you only get a couple of opportunities, and these are
two opportunities that went away on weird, weird circumstances. But
Drew Brees through a bad pass on on first down,
they didn't get anything going on second down, and even
after what should have been a penalty on third down,
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they kicked the field goal and had multiple chances to
win the game afterwards and didn't do it. I do
feel like their fans are definitely saying one thing and
do another, And I feel like the Saints are as well.
They feel like the league owes them one and the
legos knew nothing for blowing one. Fox Sports Radio has
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to listen live. My first year in Oklahoma State and
the first Bedlam game was between you know, Bedlam is
Oklahoma State versus Oklahoma, and if you look historically, Oklahoma
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dominates the rivalry more so than any in state rivalry
anywhere in the country. And actually Oklahoma State had lost
for twenty six consecutive years to Oklahoma at home, and
one twenty six years they beat John Blake's team, and
John Blake's team was just kind of a mess offensively.
They were in three different offenses in one game. At
the end of the year, they fired John Blake and
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they hired Bob Stoops and as they say, the rest
is in fact history, of course, is getting ready to
coach in the XFL. He has a new book out
called No Excuses, which was the mantra of Oklahoma football
during his long and incredibly dominant run as o u's
head coach, course land them in national title, and just
his second year at OU. He's kind of to spend
some time with this year on Fox Sports Radio, coach,
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how are you. I'm doing great. I remember the day
that you were hired and you you can't. You started
with the mantra of no excuses. That's the title of
your book. Where did it come from? Yeah, it's just
my and the way I kind of that's just my
feeling on a lot of things. But uh, bottom line,
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when you're making an excuse, you're just trying to justify
failure in some way. So and I talked to my
players a lot. I said it when I was introduced
as a head coach, that you know, this is a
program that for decades wins championships, either conference championships, national championships,
and if you're don't, you're not doing that. There's no
excuses for it. And I tell my players that all
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the time. This is this is what we were to do.
We're to be these kind of teams and if we're not.
In fact, it was in huge bold letters across our
weight room forever until we remodeled. Um, no excuses like
you you get, you win and you succeed or you don't.
Bob Steves, our guest on the Doug Otlip Show on
Fox Sports Trading, I'm still fascinated by some of the
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decisions you made in the infancy of that run. The
first one, and I think the boldest one was you
hired Mike Leach. And it's not just hiring Mike Leach.
At the time, no one played that way in the
big twelve, and you did it at Oklahoma that was
running back in triple option. You take me through that decision.
He was at Kentucky, had been at Baldosta State with
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how Mummy as well. You were at Florida, So I
know you played against each other, But why would you?
Why would you? Why did you want that style to
be your offense? Yeah, nobody knew of Mike Leach um,
but I was dealing with Kentucky as a decordinator at
Florida and they were the hardest team to deal with.
They were They were leading the league in passing yards,
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first downs, time of possession, all of these things, and
and I thought, they don't have the best players, And
look at them. They're going up and down the field
and I'm having a heck of a time stopping them
with my players at Florida. And I said, well, if
I if I can do that here at Oklahoma and
eventually have better players, why wouldn't that be successful? And
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I couldn't get how Mummy to come because he was
a head coach, He was the play caller and the
old coordinator. He started the air raid. So I asked how,
I said, is Mike leach capable you know your old coordinator,
is he capable of doing the same thing here at Oklahoma?
And he didn't hesitate. He said absolutely, He said Mike
would be great. So I called Mike and that's how
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it all happened, and and the rest is history. Now
you see, you see the air raid everywhere now, Yeah,
everybody was doing it back then other than now at Kentucky.
No question, you brought the forward pass to the Big Twelve.
And now that the Big Twelve is known for the
air raid and the spread out, it's really really remarkable
the transformation that I don't think you guys get enough
enough credit for. Did you use the fact that Geronimo
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was was buried in ninety miles south of Norman like that?
Because because I've we've had long there's no short discussion
with Mike Leach. We've had long discussions with him before.
Uh he's what what's that? I mean? You're a football guy, right,
Dad's football coach, brothers football brothers are football coaches. What
was that like for you to work with a guy
who is such an eclectic thinker. Oh? I love Mike,
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we to this day. Of course. I have a great relationship.
And Uh, fortunately if it was late at night and
he started to go into one of those long discussions.
Being the head coach, I could say, Mike, You're gonna
have to start again tomorrow because I'm leaving. I didn't
have to if he was the head coach. I might
have to sit and listen for another half hour. No.
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We I loved our conversations, Bob Stops, our guesting on
the Doug Gotlip Show. You also hired a guy named
Jerry Schmidt. And for people who don't know, the way
in which you wanted to handle the discipline in your
program was you gotta have a guy that players can
talk to. But also there's a little bit of fear
in and you don't you know what. You can't just
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be this love e dubby football coach with young guys,
especially when they don't know you. How did Jerry fit that?
Bill Smittye was the best I In fact, I I
just signed a book for him and sent it to
him because he was the backbone of everything and how
he's the one that got it started his toughness, his
mental tough this um reaching the players, and you know,
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players come to me and they had a problem with Smitty.
I I just turned around and said, well, if you've
got a problem with Smitty, then you've got a problem.
And there are nothing for us to talk about, because
you know, Smitty was my right hand man. They knew it.
He just came from a national championship program in Florida
to come to come here, and you guys are gonna
tell me how we're going to do things. I said, no, No,
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Smithy is gonna tell you how we're gonna do things.
And if you don't reach that level of commitment and
then the way we work, then you're not gonna you're
not gonna play here. And it's as simple as that. Um,
you take over a program that really didn't have a quarterback,
right that was there? Yeah, and you just no matter
how good a coach, if you don't have a quarterback,
you're gonna look like a poorly coach team. And you
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get you flip you, you flip Jason White who was
going to Miami, Right, you get Innaid hebble. But but
it was Josh Hypel who ends up winning you a
national championship. And he is this, right, do you only
have I remember correctly, he only had like one scholarship offer, right, yes,
And and I want, I want to say it was
still one double a school. Yeah, I think I think
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it was the Weaverer. I think was the weaber state
it was. Did you have to be convinced like he
I know, you gave the odds offensive staff like carte
blanche and told Mike Leach like to do what you want.
But they come and bring a kid who doesn't have
a great arm, not a great athlete, and say this
is the guy who's gonna change our program. Did you
have to be convinced? I had to watch enough tape
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with and Mike. I trusted Mike Leach first and his instincts.
He's had success throwing the ball and uh. And I
watched enough tape of Josh that I liked him as well.
And I trusted Mike that he knew he knew what
would work for his offense. What was it about your
defense and your special teams? Obviously that's your calling card,
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your brother's calling card. But for the years in which
you dominated the Texas rivalry, uh, you know, obviously before
the spread became so difficult to defend, your team's defensively
just took teams out of what they want to do.
How did you create that that defense. Yeah, you know,
the best part also that it was easy coming here
was that I brought Mike Stoops and Brent Venables, both
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guys that were working with me at Kansas State and
working in my system that I was used to using.
That they came immediately here to Oklahoma and and uh,
you know, the way we attacked and the way we played. Um,
you know that that had a huge impact we and
and we really uh, you know, we had a lot
of good football players. You know that uh, you know,
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Towrence Marshall we brought in and ended up being the
m v P of the National Championship Game. Both corners
Michael Thompson and Derek Straight. Um, Derek Straight ends up
with Thorpe Award winner. Uh, Brandon Average at safety are
our first recruiting class as well, ends up a first
team All American. So in the end, um, you know,
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just uh, we had a you know, at the time,
we had a you know, had a really special group
of players that you know, blended well with what we
were trying to do. You know, it's interesting We've been
talking about the Patriots throughout the day on how you know,
if you if you track dynasties, track dynasties. Uh. Two
things are one, you've got to be a little bit lucky, right,
and you have to have and you have to have
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discipline right. Um. And it doesn't mean that you that
you can't let the kids breed. But you guys had
a little luck, right, Texas made some bad choices, you guys,
even even the Jason White injuries, because he was injured,
it allowed him to come back and play at at
a time which you needed a quarterback. Like some of
the bad luck became good luck for you. So you
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had luck, but also discipline. Is that a Is that
a fair assessment of two huge factors in longevity of
success like you guys are able to have. Oh absolutely,
I think definitely luck with injuries and and whatever whatever
else you know you want to put with it. Um
and disciplined to you know what I mean to know
how we're gonna work, you know, and I would I
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would put work ethic in. There is in in between
the two that there you don't win easily. Um, you know,
there's a there's a there's a grind to it and uh,
and and work throughout the year that leads up to it.
Bob stups our guests on the Doug Glade Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Since you walked away, obviously, now you're
gonna coach in the XFL. How much do you miss
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coaching college football? Oh, I've I've missed it. Uh, you know,
very much. Uh, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I
knew I would miss it. Um. In fact, I described
it as I said, Um, my first year out was
incredibly awful. My second year out was just awful. I'm
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working my way I'm working my way down the awful list.
But uh, but I was aware of that. That Again,
don't take that as that mean I regretted or I
was wrong it. Um, it's just what you've on your
whole life. You know, adjusting is going to take time.
So why do the XFL? A lot of reasons. I
really believe in the leadership with our you know, commissioner
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all Over Luck and the ownership Vince McMahon. Uh, We're
gonna put good football on the field. There's a lot
of good players out there that are on the fringes
of the NFL that need a place to to show
that they could still play. And I think that are
exciting to watch. Um, you know, we've already got you know,
great TV contracts with nationally with the ESPN and and
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Fox as well. So there's a lot of positives about it.
And and let's face it, maybe I had a little
bit too much time and in space on my hands
when I walked out, I said, that's what I wanted,
more time and space of my own. And after being
out to two years, I got a little bit too
much time on my hands. Sure, but health is a
health is a factor. Right, you didn't feel like you're healthy?
And obviously, um, I was healthy. I I had no issues.
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Um someone else brought that up and I said, look
that that wasn't a factor in my decision, or if
it was, it was only ten Uh. The fact that
I lost my dad young? Does that ever? Do you
ever forget that? No? But have I had any health scares? No?
How did you How did you get Lincoln Riley to
have an Ohio accent when he's from Texas. That's a
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heck of a question. I got to ask him that.
But I mean, he he uses he uses your mannerisms.
You know, he says, no question, everybody knows it, right,
he does. The it's like it's like it's like he's
the other Stoops brother, Like wait, wait, wait, you didn't
play it Iowa. I'll be honest, there there is a
lot of just personally, a lot of similarities between us. There,
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there's no doubt, you know. I I think he's got
a you know, I've always tried to be a humble person,
and I know sometimes in the coaching world you can't be.
But in my life I am, and Lincoln's got a
lot of genuine humility to him as well. So there
is a lot of similarity, sir. You know, it's interesting though,
the way in which you've handled it. You know, so
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many times guys that and obviously he was your hand,
you your hand picked him as a successor, right, um,
But but so many times guys you know, behind the scenes,
you know, they want to make sure that they still
get the respect. Like you've done an unbelievable job of
champion championing his successes. How have you been able to
everybody has an ego to to maintain your positive ego
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when he's had this remarkable success in the short term
since filling for you. Now, he's not an awesome job.
I don't. I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy.
I don't need anybody to have to say anything about me.
I really have always felt that, Yeah, ego gets a
lot of people in trouble, and it's uh, it can
be the root of a lot of problems. And I've
that's never been my deal. Um, I'm you know, I
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recognize or I'm aware of what I've been able to
accomplish or do. I didn't do any of that alone.
And and Lincoln's doing an awesome job now and he's
he's doing it, you know what, the help of his
assistant and support staff. But again that's not me. Like
I said, I've got a genuine humility to me and
and uh that's the way I've always tried to live,
all right, last thing, and I know you gotta go.
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We do as well. He's had the last two Highsman
Trophy winners, he said, the last two number one overall picks. Now,
Jalen Hurts is putting up ridiculous numbers as well as
a former defensive savant. Is there any part of you
that goes man, I'd love to be the guy that
designs the game plan to stop this style of offense.
Oh I don't want that, bro. I don't want that shore.
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Let me tell you it's it's uh now, especially with
what the what, the weapons and the backs we have
as well with the receivers quarterback. I don't um. It's
gonna be difficult, believe me. Coach Stops, thanks so much.
The book is No Excuses, The making of a head coach.
Bob Stoops, the head coach the New Dallas Renegades of
the XFL, of course, legendary head coach at Oklahoma. Thanks
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for being part of the show. Thanks do appreciate it.
You guys have a great afternoon. All right, that's Bob Stoops,
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very very steep climb to getting to the playoffs. But
(01:30):
let's react to the news of the day. This is
really really important. Sam Donald is out with mono. Under
the headlines you would never you didn't think you would see.
You really didn't sit think you would see an NFL
quarterback out with the kissing disease. Now, I've never had
(01:53):
mono nucleosis, knock on wood. Very important to point out
ever had it. You don't necessarily get it from kissing.
You can't get it from drinking from a cup that
somebody else who had mono drank from. But it's generally
known as something you get in college when you're making
out with people who are making out with the people.
I'm going to sell my sister out here because the
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first time I heard of mono nucleosis, she was a
freshman at U c. L A. And she came home
deathly ill. And the freshman fifteen became the freshman minus fifteen,
as she was sick and at home in bed for
a couple of weeks. I was like, what is mono nucleosis?
All the kissing disease? But Sam Donald is out? The
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Dolphins stink. The Bills have the hit and miss throwing
of Josh Allen at quarterback, and if you want to
crown him, we will crown him. The Patriots essentially won
the a f C East going away with the news
of the day. Oh, by the way, in addition to
(02:58):
beating the Pittsburgh Steelers already three to three and looking
like the best version defensively of themselves in years, they
may actually add Antonio Brown for at least parts of
this season if he's not going to be suspended or
doesn't do something else stupid. Regardless of which, the Pats
are the best team in the n f C, and
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god forbid AFC East, and god forbid there's some sort
of injury that derails them. But I continue to look
at the Pats in a really unique lens. The Jets
are gonna match up with the Browns, and the Jets
have this murder's row of schedule of the Browns the
Monday night game, by the way, Odell Beckham Jr. Came
out and criticized Greg Williams, his former defensive coordinator who's
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now the defensive coordinat of the Jets. Will play that
for you a little bit later on the show, saying
that Greg Williams ordered cheap shots on him in the preseason.
We'll get more on that, But they're the Browns are
a team. And I said this earlier yesterday on the show.
I've said it throughout the week, and I said earlier
(04:04):
on callin Cowhard Show, like, I don't think the watch
is a huge thing with O. B J. But I
think the watch combined with him not showing for O. T.
A S, combined with the constant conversation coming out of
Baker Mayfield's mouth coming on the back of of having
to cancel a preseason scrimmage um midway through with the
Colts because of too many fights with eighteen penalties in
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the first game. That team lacks discipline. It doesn't lack talent,
it lacks discipline and maybe some cohesiveness and a better
offensive line. So you stop and think, and we're having
this discussion yesterday. Dan Buyer said he's a calm major, right,
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and Ryan music said he's a He was a journalism major,
and I set him a marketing major. I only took
one journalism class, was in junior college. I wrote for
the Golden West College student newspaper, and though I did
some sports, I also was a food critic. It was
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a money play by me. I just want to point
that out, because any I could just go to a restaurant,
get a free meal and then write about it in
the student newspaper at Golden West College. Tell me there's
a Tell me there's a greater play than that one,
right there just isn't. When you're low budget and you're
you're in college and you're you're trying to lay low
and pay twelve dollars of credited at Golden West College,
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getting a free meal is pretty awesome, especially at any
restaurant in Orange County. But the reason I liked I
I frankly loved studying marketing in college at the Spears
School of Business at the Oklahoma State University, was that
we did all these case studies, right like my my
(05:51):
favorite two or new Coke. Do you guys remember new Coke? Right?
There was there was coke, and coke was the most popular,
but pepsi one all the taste tests, right. I don't
know if you guys know this, but they would go
and they'd have blind taste tests, and pepsi would always
win the blind taste test. So Coke reformulated itself and
(06:12):
they had new Coke and they did away with old coke,
and there was a massive revolt, and like six months
later they did away with new coke and they brought
back old coke, which became Coke Cold Classic and once
again re eventually regained it storm as the number one
soft drink in America. Now there was a It was
a great case study as to why it happened. Part
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of it was a blind taste test. When you just
sip pepsi, it had more sugar in it, and so
in small doses you like pepsi more. In large doses,
you like coke more because the original formula wasn't a sweet. Additionally,
there was the brand of people just grew up liking coke,
liking the can, and liking associating the taste was something
they liked, even if they actually liked the taste of
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pepsi better neither. My second favorite one was the Chevy
Nova Okay and Chevy Nova was a failure, not just
in the United States, but more because they tried to
sell it in Mexico. Anybody speaks Spanish, do you know
what nova means? And Espanola no is no Va is go.
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Pretty hard to sell a car that's called the no Go.
Who knew? Right? But you get a bunch of white
dudes in Detroit and like nova love it? Like the
Supernova Like yeah, kind of doesn't translate. I love case studies.
Like even to this day, if somebody said, like, hey,
you want to go back to school, like, m do
you want to go back and do a bunch of
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case studies? Yeah, I'd love to know the iPhone? How
that how that hit? I love? No you know? Uh
you name it? How did Amazon go from where it
was to now where it is now? Netflix and the
decision to go from basically Blockbuster online to this streaming
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service which is more valuable than Disney had that happened.
And when we do the case study of the New
England Patriots and the twenty years of consistent dominance, I
would say there's two things that we can take away. Hey,
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one is disciplined. It is disciplined. I mean, remember they
They punished west Welker because he made fun of an
opposing coaches foot fetish. It was funny, it was hilarious,
but it lacked discipline. Just because you can doesn't mean
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you should. And Bill Belichick has always disciplined his stars,
even chastise. Tom Brady suspended West Welker, gotten rid of
star players, Randy Moss when he stepped out of line.
Richard Seymour, you know him. It That team has never
lacked for discipline. Chad Johnson was undisciplined in his route running,
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in his preparation, and in spite the fact that he
was a pro bowler before he got there, he couldn't
hack it with the Patriots. Why lacked self discipline not talent.
The other part is luck right. The Patriots did nothing today, nothing,
but they just won two more games. The Jets were there,
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most likely competitor in the a f C East. It
doesn't mean the Jets were at their level. But Levi
on Bells having an m R I on his shoulder.
Quincy and Noon, while they signed to a new big deal,
is out, maybe his career is over with another neck injury.
And Sam Donald's out for at least four to six
weeks with mono nucleosis. They never get they're not even
gonna be competitive, canceled the season. Essentially, if you're the Jets,
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they've been fortunate. They've been lucky, right, and what is
lu luck is when preparation and timing meat coincide. They've
been lucky to be in the a f C East
all these years. That doesn't just have one dysfunctional franchise,
it essentially has three. You know, the Jets had those
two runs to the a f C Championship game, but
they can never figure out the quarterback position, and they've
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had a revolving door as far as GM and head coach.
The Miami Dolphins have constantly been in search of the
next Damn Marino, and they have yet defined. It wasn't Tannehill,
it's not Rosen. It might be to a And we're
a year away from knowing if he's even going to
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be picked by the Dolphins, and we have no way
of knowing if a five ft eleven quarterback left handed
can run around and make plays for the Dolphins that
haven't been made since Dan left I mean, hell, they
even got lucky hitting Tom Brady. We can sit there
and go like man, they were super smart that took
him in the sixth round. That means they passed on
him five times, so did the rest of the league.
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They also got lucky that Tom Brady, while becoming a superstar,
was damn good looking and married a supermodel, so he
didn't need a bunch of money. Like, you can't tell
me that there was some thought that went in, oh, well,
draft Tom Brady and when he becomes good, he's from affluence,
so he'll take less money. They had no idea. That
is simply luck. Simply luck. They had the discipline to
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not overpay for West Welker. He walked out the door,
and they got Dannie Almond, Dolan and Julian Edelman. They've
been disciplined in who they've gone after, in the amount
of money they spent, and they've emphasized discipline to their team,
and they've been flat out lucky. They let Jamie Collins
go and now they got Jamie Collins back to an
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already dynamic defense. I mean, you're kidding me. Even the
Antonio Brown, which may end up never happening. The fact
that they got arguably the best wide receiver in the
game in a situation where he has to perform and
he has to behave or he's out of the league.
Come on, man, some of that skill, but some of
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that is where timing, it's preparation. There's luck. It's oh,
they got lucky Andrew Luck retired. I mean, think about it.
The Cults were a really good, really well built team.
And Andrew Luck, if he had stayed healthy, would be
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a would be an absolute issue for them for the
next ten years. And now he's out of football, and
sure they may have to go through Kansas City again.
You got a little lucky with an offside penalty, didn't they?
But the fact is they're always going to have ten eleven,
twelve wins. I mean, think about it. Look around. The
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a f C has never been the equal to the
NFC in terms of ratings because of the markets, which
by the way, is attracting the stars. Cowboys are in
the NFC, Eagles are in the NFC, Rams in the NFC.
I mean, your competition is the Broncos you can't find
a quarterback, the Raiders who can't find a home and
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can't keep players, the Chargers, who can ever stay healthy.
It was the Steelers, but the Steelers who had a
lot of luck, had a lot of fortune, suddenly became
unlucky and lost their discipline. Right, so they jettison Levan Bell,
the jettison Antonio Brown, and now they've tried to regain
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their discipline, but they've been unlucky in terms of their
timing and the town. Remember the Pittsburgh Steelers run where
they've been consistent. They've had it too now, right are
They've been fortunate to be in a division with Cleveland
and Cincinnati, two dysfunctional and one cheap franchise, And their
only competition was the Baltimore Ravens, who they basically split
games with. But Baltimore has never really figured out the
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quarterback position. They had Flacco, didn't love Flacco, and they
just made do with the defense and a good running game.
And by the way, anyone who says luck is a
bad thing, why do we wish people luck all the time?
Why do we wish guy walks out the door about
to play a game, all right, good luck? We say
it in the theater, break a leg. Luck is not
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a bad thing. Discipline is not a bad thing. Both
are needed. And when we do the case study as
to what led the New England Patriots for being the
most consect consistently dominant team in the history of the
National Football League, luck and discipline. San Antonio Spurs the
the Tim Duncan, the Celtics dump games. They had two
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lottery picks to get Tim Duncan and they didn't get them.
That's low key and how do they play very disciplined.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug dot
Leap Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. So well,
come in Jason Lackhamp for a CBS NFL Insider. Um.
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I don't know if you've heard the most recent Odell
Beckham Jr. Cut, but he just went all in on
Greg Williams, saying he told his guys to take cheap
shots at him when Greg was in Cleveland last year. Um,
how do you think this plays out? Oh? Boy, I
don't know, Doug. Um. I mean, I would like to
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think that there was very little chance that there would
be some sort of altercation or interaction between a player
and a coach. Um Monday night, I don't think there
would be. Um. You know, I know Greg pretty well,
and Greg is not one to back down. Um, he
a leaf from a lot of things. But I also
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don't see him getting in a situation where he's having
a war of words or something with so Del Beckham before, during,
or or after that game. Um. You know, obviously the
bounty gate stuff got a lot of attention if you
really peeled all the all the layers of that onion. UM,
a lot of what sort of got the headlines. Ultimately
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there wasn't evidence to back that up. Um. But but
you know, Greg doesn't hide the fact that this is
a physical game and he expects his teams to play physical. UM.
And you know he was obviously in Cleveland. A lot
of people there know him. So you know, well, well,
well we'll see. Um. I I I tend to think
this would be a whole bunch of midweek bluster, you
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know what I mean, And it's it's not anything that
we see play out on the field. I certainly hope
it's not. What about the Jets, is it okay if
we just say, all right, let's cancel the season? Right
that there were a team that people thought would be
a playoff team and now you look at their moves.
You know, a noon had neck issues before this year
and that might be a career ender. Uh, you don't
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Sam going with Mono. That's the first I can remember
of an NFL player contracting Mono. Um, yeah, I don't
know that. I have a whole lot of previous case
history with that in the NFL. UM. And then you know,
now Lebyan's gotta have an m R I and the
shoulder Quinn and Williams has got an issue, a knee
issue as well, Like did this thing? It's over before
it starting. A most well, the beginning part of their
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schedule was going to be a bear anyway. Um, and
it was always sort of the back end where if
they were going to make Hay and being as sending
team and and proved to be something better than they've
been in the last few years, it was probably always
going to be with a late run and some of
these individuals might not miss that much time and and
you know all of them other than a Nu should
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be back, you know, second half of the season. But yeah,
it's it's a troubling trend, right and and uh, these
things tend to fortunately snowball in the wrong direction as
to San Diego or well, and having them with San
Diego has happening in l A Chargers as well. Um,
and they don't really have a kicker, you know what
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I mean, like that they had a kicker last year. Yeah, exactly.
So Look, man, some franchises just don't seem to have
difficulty getting out of their own way, whether they called
it and the Jets in their past certainly have, or
whether things you know, are out of their control like
their quarterbacks, immune system or whatever. Um, it's just unfortunate timing.
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But you start looking at their schedule the next few weeks,
and that whole might be bigger than I anticipated, because
I did think they're a team that could, you know,
maybe come out of it eight and eight, nine and
seven if everything broke right. But but things already aren't
breaking right. All right. Thankfully we've gone twenty four hours
now without a new Antonio Brown story. But of course
we're waiting to see if the league is going to
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take any action. What what what are you hearing about
the likelihood the league does something about a civil suit
that's not a criminal Yeah, I don't know, you know,
and I don't think anybody knows in the league even
right now doesn't know. They're gathering evidence talking to people.
I mean, insomuch as there's evidence really to be gathered
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and they've launched their investigation. But it's not like there's
this absolutely scientific threshold they have to meet where it's
like now it's automatically commissioners list and this and that,
you know what I mean, they they the path they
go down is at there and by day, I mean,
we're really talking about Roger Goodell, you know, some lawyers,
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probably Adolpho birch Um, maybe that you know, maybe a
little outside council obviously, you know, Lisa Free and the
people they brought in to help investigate a pretty small
group of people who will ultimately make that determination. Um.
And I think if anybody tried to lean or guess,
you know, they would just be doing that guessing because
if you if you all these cases are different, right,
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and it's not like in the past you've been able
to draw. Oh well, they did us here so that
you know what I mean, So that means this will
happen here or that will happen here, like a lot
of us did that with Tyreek Hill. Right. Oh well,
because Jimmy Smith got this for saying something, and because
we've seen this and because of what happened in college?
And you know what I mean, because maybe he wasn't
forthcoming about everything and he got nothing. So I would
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be the first to say, I don't know, and at
this stage, I don't believe they know. Doug Gottlip show
here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the voice of Jason
Locke and for CBS NFL Insider, Um, what about the
Pittsburgh's here's Ben Roethlisberger said. You know, he all of
a sudden became banned Bland. Ben, the guy who used
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to give us, you know, digs on Todd Haley or
or the goods on what wide receiver ran the wrong route.
Suddenly now he's like, hey, all, I can concentrate the
quarterback position. We all need to play better. That that
was an embarrassing performance. Like it's one thing for Brady
to beat them, he always beats them, but to get
rung up like that. How troubling was that for Pittsburgh.
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That's their bugaboo, you know, I mean they Foxburg. I
thought they'd keep it close. I thought the offense would
show better than that. Um defensively that they don't seem
to have an answer for that crew and have it
no matter what, you know, what type of Patriots team
we were looking at, and lord knows, their identity can change,
you know, series the series much less, you know, play
the game to game and year to year. Um. But
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I'm not ready to write them off by any stretch yet. Um.
But they think that that better be you know what
I mean, like that that should be the worst they
look all year. Um. But they also have a way
of playing down to teams at certain times. And we'll
see if that's out of their DNA now that they've
obviously walked away from some players who they felt like
from a chemistry standpoint, we're holding them back. You know. Look,
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I can't knock Bend for doing what he's doing because
I was among those who when he would play the
passive aggressive word games and stir the pot without pretending
like he was stirring the pot, you know what I mean.
I I was like, that's not beneficial, Like that's not leadership,
That's not what quarterbacks do. So I can't whether he's
plutting on the front or not. I gotta give him
credit for at least realizing that the way that he
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likes to get the drama going, which makes him feel
like people are against him, which gets him up to play,
doesn't always help everybody else around you, you know what
I mean, That's not always conducive for everybody's a game,
even though there are times in the season where he
seemed to like to conjure up some sort of straw
man that he could then knock down. Jason Locka Flora
joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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You also have been a big buyer into Lamar Jackson.
But but but people around the league, are they saying
that's the real Lamar Jackson or is it more Holy Cow?
The Miami Dolphins stink. Well, I mean a little bit
of both. I mean, the Dolphins are going to be
really bad. But I don't think that Dolphins gonna every
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week um and I don't think they're gonna have like
I don't think you're gonna look at the stats at
the end of the year, you know, and they're gonna
have given up, um, you know, eighty five touchdown passes
and have a fifty eight point five km QB rating
against them. So and I would say if there is
a discernible strength of the Dolphins roster, it is the
secondary and over their cap is in their starting secondary
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and they just paid Xaviian Howard in May, like you know,
he gave him thirty odd, you know, close to thirty
million and upfront guarantees when he was set to make
one million, because he's really really good, you know what
I mean. They took Fitzpatrick where they did because, like
you know, that's kind of where people thought he was
gonna get drafted because like with the heck of a
college player, and they had no answers, and they had
no answers for the dudes who were playing their first
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NFL game, you know, Hollywood Brown in particular, and then
also Boykin. So look, the Ravens are gonna be handful
for people and teams in the division that might have
a little bit more of a handle on them. Truly
truly elite defenses. You know, I think we'll slow them down,
but they're going to be awful, difficult to shut down.
And um, Lamar will make some mistakes. We'll have to
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run the ball more than he did that game. Um
it's going it's not always going to look that pretty
and that perfect, but I think it's going to be
highly effective, highly dynamic, must see offense. Um and I would.
You know, I've I've been saying that for quite some time.
That's not because I saw them do that to the Dolphins.
It's because everything I've seen and heard for a long
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time led me to believe those are the type of
performances that on their day they can have. How big
a day, how big a night is this for Cam Newton?
I mean, he's been in the Super Bowl, you know
what I mean, he's he's he's it's been the highest
paid player at his position, and I think twice during
his career played in a bunch of playoff games. UM.
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So I'm not gonna buy into too much of that. UM.
I think it's that's a big game for Ron Rivera.
You know, um as well, I think it's a big
game for a lot of people there who have yet
to probably show David Tepper, the owner, the best of
what they are. UM. And it's still a long season
and all that, But you get the first two at home,
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you find a way to lose to the Rams, even
though you were the better team for the most part,
A for a couple of boat aheaded plays. Um. You
couple that with a loss to a Tampa team that
most people don't think is very good at home on
a short week, I would say questions start being asked.
Um saying all that, I think they take care of
business tonight. Yeah, I mean home teams are fourteen or
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fourteen and three last year and Thursday Night football. No
reason to believe that that that wouldn't continue on on
that short week. Jason Lampford joining us here on the
Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cowboys looked incredible.
Kind of same question though about Cowboys Giants I had
about Ravens Dolphins. How much of that is Cowboys got
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good personnel and new play calling and Dacks coming into
his own How much of is the Giants just kind
of stink? No. I think that the Cowboys are no
longer going to be held back by Jason Garrett and
Scott Lanahan on offense, and it's going to be far
less conservative, much more go for the throat, much more
turning first down into a throwing down, much more, really
spreading people out, running out of more spread formations. Um.
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And and that's going to be a boon for them.
And I think they're going to be a very successful
offensive football team. Um uh, saying all that, Yeah, I mean,
the Giant secondary was absolute garbage. Um, it was just
it was hard to watch honestly at times. And it's
not going to be that smooth every week, and there
will be adversity, um, you know, and I want to see,
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just like I want to see the Ravens defense tested
by a real offense. You know, I want to see
Dallas and do dude still getting suspended and can they
keep their best guys on the field over the course
of sixteen games? And you know what does that look
like moving forward? We really you know, they they got
their early lead, the Giants were never really in the game.
So there's other elements of those teams I want to
find out more about. But based on who they were
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playing in game flow in those games, you just weren't
going to Yeah, no question about it. Doug Alex Shawn
Fox Sports Trayer. That's Jason law Camphora, CBS NFL Insider. Um.
I mean, look, Tennessee's nine and seven the last two years.
And while we're all freaking out about the lack of
discipline in Cleveland, we're also not pointing out the Tennessee
went in and got a huge, huge win, uh, with
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a quarterback who's been much maligned. Right, Like Marcus Mariotta
was holding on by by his fingernails to that starting
position before week one. Um did that obviously change? Right?
That seemed that that had to solidify him and buy
him some ec what he didn't. I mean, I don't
think he was at risk of getting yanked at the half,
although I mean I think at one point in that
game though, he was eight of eighteen for like a
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buck fifteen or something. And I'm not talking like super
early in the game, like when that game was competitive. Um,
he made some nice checkdown that you know, running back
took one about eight yards to the house. I'm not
ready to crown Marcus Mariotta off of that. Um, I'm
just not. I mean, the Browns kept flipping the field
with penalties and you know, ridiculous turnovers late, and I
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think that the fourth quarter of that game told a
little different story than the game. In this totality, I
didn't think the Titans would win. I give them full marks,
and Mike Rabels done a nice job there. I still
don't I don't buy the Titans personally, and I still think, um,
if I could get a you know, if people have
odds on Mario to finish in the season. I wouldn't
look at week one and say, oh yeah, he's definitely
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gonna be there guy all sixteen weeks um. But they
they look they were the better team. Trudeo's for them
for taking advantage of things when they were there. But
I think you know, it's it's the market, the Mariota.
Things got to play out. Jason, great stuff man, Thanks
so much for joining us. Should be an awesome week too. Yeah.
I look forward to Bunny. Thanks for having me. That's
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Jason Lacking for joining us on The Doug Gottlip Show
here on Fox. Be sure to catch live edition so
the Doug Got Leaps Show week days at noon Eastern
three pm Pacific. For the most part, the Saints are
saying all the right things to take on the Rams
this Sunday at the l A Colisseum, and they're they're
acting the way you're supposed to act, as if they're
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over the blown pass interference call. Here's Saints wide receiver
Michael Thomas talking about the Rams exactly what they told
you it was. It's just another game. It's another game.
We're don't want to know this past week now we
have another opportunity to become to I know. So it's
the next big game. Here's a key to leave who
of course places for the rams. Talking talking about the
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blown call in the NFC Championship gamem Sean Payton said,
here's the thing I want to make sure, like I
think there's a perception that we keep complaining and bitching
about it. Honestly we haven't at all. Peyton, you know,
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uh he uh. He said that it really validates how
poor the miss was. It was probably one of the
worst mistakes in the history of officiating. Asked in any sport,
he said, yeah, Well, I gotta I gotta massively disagree
with you. Gonna massively disagree with you. That call, for
the record, was not a game deciding call. Remember that
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was on third down. Was not a well thrown balls
during the inside instead of the outside. And do I
think they missed it? I do? Do I think it
was as as egregious as one um angle of it
looks no the angle from behind, you can't see that
the player and the ball arrive at almost the same time.
I will grant you, Nickle Robie Coleman did plow Timmy
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Lee Lewis he did. That was past interference, but it
was not so agreged to like worst call of all
time like seventy two Olympic team had they replayed something
three times and finally the Russians beat us on the
third on the second replay. That really happened. Judgment calls
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did not make it that egregious. I mean the fail
Mary was was worse, granted, not as important to play,
and it's just important remember that the Saints Rams. The
Saints kicked a few goal afterwards. All they had to
do was stop the Rams. Then in regulation they could not.
They got the ball back just in overtime and couldn't
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score to start overtime. It didn't decide the game. That's
just the cold heart truth of it, the cold art truth.
Drew Brees said, I think everybody was in a pretty
deep depression for a while. It's probably the worst feelings
I've ever had as an athlete. We'll just leave it
at that. Does it sting? Does this thing really go away? No?
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I don't think so. I mean, there are defining moments
through my career that just torment me a little bit,
but it's also what drives me. Unfortunately. The heartbreak is
just part of the process at times. Now that's a
fair statement. You also have to remember how they lost
the year before, right, Like context does matter and everything.
This is the New Orleans Saints, a Saints team that
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you know, they felt like their championship, you know, dynasty
was taken away by bounty Gate. Like my perspective on
bounty gate has always been, they were told to stop,
they didn't stop. They got caught on multiple videos and
multiple situations with the exact same thing, and that's why
they were punished. They weren't just punished for offering up
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bounties that other people had. They're punished because the league
found out they're offering up bundies and said hey, cut
it out, and they didn't do it, and and there
was evidence of evidence of the bounties. But they feel
like that was during they had a window to win
more than one championship and the league decimated them with
their penalties. And then when they get back to playing
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in the playoffs and they got a good team, they
go on the road against the Minnesota Vikings and they
have a game one and a rookie defensive back takes
a bad angle, has his head down and dozen tackles
Stefon Diggs and they lose a game they they felt
like they should have won, and then the very next
year they haven't even better regular season and this is
how they kept out of the scriple. So within the context,
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I under stand why it's so devastating. You feel like
you only get a couple of opportunities, and these are
two opportunities that went away on weird, weird circumstances. But
Drew Brees through a bad pass on on first down,
they didn't get anything going on second down, and even
after what should have been a penalty on third down,
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they kicked the field goal and had multiple chances to
win the game afterwards and didn't do it. I do
feel like their fans are definitely saying one thing and
do another, And I feel like the Saints are as well.
They feel like the league owes them one and the
legos knew nothing for blowing one. Fox Sports Radio has
(33:41):
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to listen live. My first year in Oklahoma State and
the first Bedlam game was between you know, Bedlam is
Oklahoma State versus Oklahoma, and if you look historically, Oklahoma
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dominates the rivalry more so than any in state rivalry
anywhere in the country. And actually Oklahoma State had lost
for twenty six consecutive years to Oklahoma at home, and
one twenty six years they beat John Blake's team, and
John Blake's team was just kind of a mess offensively.
They were in three different offenses in one game. At
the end of the year, they fired John Blake and
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they hired Bob Stoops and as they say, the rest
is in fact history, of course, is getting ready to
coach in the XFL. He has a new book out
called No Excuses, which was the mantra of Oklahoma football
during his long and incredibly dominant run as o u's
head coach, course land them in national title, and just
his second year at OU. He's kind of to spend
some time with this year on Fox Sports Radio, coach,
(34:44):
how are you. I'm doing great. I remember the day
that you were hired and you you can't. You started
with the mantra of no excuses. That's the title of
your book. Where did it come from? Yeah, it's just
my and the way I kind of that's just my
feeling on a lot of things. But uh, bottom line,
(35:05):
when you're making an excuse, you're just trying to justify
failure in some way. So and I talked to my
players a lot. I said it when I was introduced
as a head coach, that you know, this is a
program that for decades wins championships, either conference championships, national championships,
and if you're don't, you're not doing that. There's no
excuses for it. And I tell my players that all
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the time. This is this is what we were to do.
We're to be these kind of teams and if we're not.
In fact, it was in huge bold letters across our
weight room forever until we remodeled. Um, no excuses like
you you get, you win and you succeed or you don't.
Bob Steves, our guest on the Doug Otlip Show on
Fox Sports Trading, I'm still fascinated by some of the
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decisions you made in the infancy of that run. The
first one, and I think the boldest one was you
hired Mike Leach. And it's not just hiring Mike Leach.
At the time, no one played that way in the
big twelve, and you did it at Oklahoma that was
running back in triple option. You take me through that decision.
He was at Kentucky, had been at Baldosta State with
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how Mummy as well. You were at Florida, So I
know you played against each other, But why would you?
Why would you? Why did you want that style to
be your offense? Yeah, nobody knew of Mike Leach um,
but I was dealing with Kentucky as a decordinator at
Florida and they were the hardest team to deal with.
They were They were leading the league in passing yards,
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first downs, time of possession, all of these things, and
and I thought, they don't have the best players, And
look at them. They're going up and down the field
and I'm having a heck of a time stopping them
with my players at Florida. And I said, well, if
I if I can do that here at Oklahoma and
eventually have better players, why wouldn't that be successful? And
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I couldn't get how Mummy to come because he was
a head coach, He was the play caller and the
old coordinator. He started the air raid. So I asked how,
I said, is Mike leach capable you know your old coordinator,
is he capable of doing the same thing here at Oklahoma?
And he didn't hesitate. He said absolutely, He said Mike
would be great. So I called Mike and that's how
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it all happened, and and the rest is history. Now
you see, you see the air raid everywhere now, Yeah,
everybody was doing it back then other than now at Kentucky.
No question, you brought the forward pass to the Big Twelve.
And now that the Big Twelve is known for the
air raid and the spread out, it's really really remarkable
the transformation that I don't think you guys get enough
enough credit for. Did you use the fact that Geronimo
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was was buried in ninety miles south of Norman like that?
Because because I've we've had long there's no short discussion
with Mike Leach. We've had long discussions with him before.
Uh he's what what's that? I mean? You're a football guy, right,
Dad's football coach, brothers football brothers are football coaches. What
was that like for you to work with a guy
who is such an eclectic thinker. Oh? I love Mike,
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we to this day. Of course. I have a great relationship.
And Uh, fortunately if it was late at night and
he started to go into one of those long discussions.
Being the head coach, I could say, Mike, You're gonna
have to start again tomorrow because I'm leaving. I didn't
have to if he was the head coach. I might
have to sit and listen for another half hour. No.
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We I loved our conversations, Bob Stops, our guesting on
the Doug Gotlip Show. You also hired a guy named
Jerry Schmidt. And for people who don't know, the way
in which you wanted to handle the discipline in your
program was you gotta have a guy that players can
talk to. But also there's a little bit of fear
in and you don't you know what. You can't just
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be this love e dubby football coach with young guys,
especially when they don't know you. How did Jerry fit that?
Bill Smittye was the best I In fact, I I
just signed a book for him and sent it to
him because he was the backbone of everything and how
he's the one that got it started his toughness, his
mental tough this um reaching the players, and you know,
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players come to me and they had a problem with Smitty.
I I just turned around and said, well, if you've
got a problem with Smitty, then you've got a problem.
And there are nothing for us to talk about, because
you know, Smitty was my right hand man. They knew it.
He just came from a national championship program in Florida
to come to come here, and you guys are gonna
tell me how we're going to do things. I said, no, No,
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Smithy is gonna tell you how we're gonna do things.
And if you don't reach that level of commitment and
then the way we work, then you're not gonna you're
not gonna play here. And it's as simple as that. Um,
you take over a program that really didn't have a quarterback,
right that was there? Yeah, and you just no matter
how good a coach, if you don't have a quarterback,
you're gonna look like a poorly coach team. And you
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get you flip you, you flip Jason White who was
going to Miami, Right, you get Innaid hebble. But but
it was Josh Hypel who ends up winning you a
national championship. And he is this, right, do you only
have I remember correctly, he only had like one scholarship offer, right, yes,
And and I want, I want to say it was
still one double a school. Yeah, I think I think
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it was the Weaverer. I think was the weaber state
it was. Did you have to be convinced like he
I know, you gave the odds offensive staff like carte
blanche and told Mike Leach like to do what you want.
But they come and bring a kid who doesn't have
a great arm, not a great athlete, and say this
is the guy who's gonna change our program. Did you
have to be convinced? I had to watch enough tape
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with and Mike. I trusted Mike Leach first and his instincts.
He's had success throwing the ball and uh. And I
watched enough tape of Josh that I liked him as well.
And I trusted Mike that he knew he knew what
would work for his offense. What was it about your
defense and your special teams? Obviously that's your calling card,
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your brother's calling card. But for the years in which
you dominated the Texas rivalry, uh, you know, obviously before
the spread became so difficult to defend, your team's defensively
just took teams out of what they want to do.
How did you create that that defense. Yeah, you know,
the best part also that it was easy coming here
was that I brought Mike Stoops and Brent Venables, both
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guys that were working with me at Kansas State and
working in my system that I was used to using.
That they came immediately here to Oklahoma and and uh,
you know, the way we attacked and the way we played. Um,
you know that that had a huge impact we and
and we really uh, you know, we had a lot
of good football players. You know that uh, you know,
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Towrence Marshall we brought in and ended up being the
m v P of the National Championship Game. Both corners
Michael Thompson and Derek Straight. Um, Derek Straight ends up
with Thorpe Award winner. Uh, Brandon Average at safety are
our first recruiting class as well, ends up a first
team All American. So in the end, um, you know,
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just uh, we had a you know, at the time,
we had a you know, had a really special group
of players that you know, blended well with what we
were trying to do. You know, it's interesting We've been
talking about the Patriots throughout the day on how you know,
if you if you track dynasties, track dynasties. Uh. Two
things are one, you've got to be a little bit lucky, right,
and you have to have and you have to have
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discipline right. Um. And it doesn't mean that you that
you can't let the kids breed. But you guys had
a little luck, right, Texas made some bad choices, you guys,
even even the Jason White injuries, because he was injured,
it allowed him to come back and play at at
a time which you needed a quarterback. Like some of
the bad luck became good luck for you. So you
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had luck, but also discipline. Is that a Is that
a fair assessment of two huge factors in longevity of
success like you guys are able to have. Oh absolutely,
I think definitely luck with injuries and and whatever whatever
else you know you want to put with it. Um
and disciplined to you know what I mean to know
how we're gonna work, you know, and I would I
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would put work ethic in. There is in in between
the two that there you don't win easily. Um, you know,
there's a there's a there's a grind to it and uh,
and and work throughout the year that leads up to it.
Bob stups our guests on the Doug Glade Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Since you walked away, obviously, now you're
gonna coach in the XFL. How much do you miss
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coaching college football? Oh, I've I've missed it. Uh, you know,
very much. Uh, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I
knew I would miss it. Um. In fact, I described
it as I said, Um, my first year out was
incredibly awful. My second year out was just awful. I'm
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working my way I'm working my way down the awful list.
But uh, but I was aware of that. That Again,
don't take that as that mean I regretted or I
was wrong it. Um, it's just what you've on your
whole life. You know, adjusting is going to take time.
So why do the XFL? A lot of reasons. I
really believe in the leadership with our you know, commissioner
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all Over Luck and the ownership Vince McMahon. Uh, We're
gonna put good football on the field. There's a lot
of good players out there that are on the fringes
of the NFL that need a place to to show
that they could still play. And I think that are
exciting to watch. Um, you know, we've already got you know,
great TV contracts with nationally with the ESPN and and
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Fox as well. So there's a lot of positives about it.
And and let's face it, maybe I had a little
bit too much time and in space on my hands
when I walked out, I said, that's what I wanted,
more time and space of my own. And after being
out to two years, I got a little bit too
much time on my hands. Sure, but health is a
health is a factor. Right, you didn't feel like you're healthy?
And obviously, um, I was healthy. I I had no issues.
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Um someone else brought that up and I said, look
that that wasn't a factor in my decision, or if
it was, it was only ten Uh. The fact that
I lost my dad young? Does that ever? Do you
ever forget that? No? But have I had any health scares? No?
How did you How did you get Lincoln Riley to
have an Ohio accent when he's from Texas. That's a
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heck of a question. I got to ask him that.
But I mean, he he uses he uses your mannerisms.
You know, he says, no question, everybody knows it, right,
he does. The it's like it's like it's like he's
the other Stoops brother, Like wait, wait, wait, you didn't
play it Iowa. I'll be honest, there there is a
lot of just personally, a lot of similarities between us. There,
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there's no doubt, you know. I I think he's got
a you know, I've always tried to be a humble person,
and I know sometimes in the coaching world you can't be.
But in my life I am, and Lincoln's got a
lot of genuine humility to him as well. So there
is a lot of similarity, sir. You know, it's interesting though,
the way in which you've handled it. You know, so
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many times guys that and obviously he was your hand,
you your hand picked him as a successor, right, um,
But but so many times guys you know, behind the scenes,
you know, they want to make sure that they still
get the respect. Like you've done an unbelievable job of
champion championing his successes. How have you been able to
everybody has an ego to to maintain your positive ego
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when he's had this remarkable success in the short term
since filling for you. Now, he's not an awesome job.
I don't. I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy.
I don't need anybody to have to say anything about me.
I really have always felt that, Yeah, ego gets a
lot of people in trouble, and it's uh, it can
be the root of a lot of problems. And I've
that's never been my deal. Um, I'm you know, I
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recognize or I'm aware of what I've been able to
accomplish or do. I didn't do any of that alone.
And and Lincoln's doing an awesome job now and he's
he's doing it, you know what, the help of his
assistant and support staff. But again that's not me. Like
I said, I've got a genuine humility to me and
and uh that's the way I've always tried to live,
all right, last thing, and I know you gotta go.
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We do as well. He's had the last two Highsman
Trophy winners, he said, the last two number one overall picks. Now,
Jalen Hurts is putting up ridiculous numbers as well as
a former defensive savant. Is there any part of you
that goes man, I'd love to be the guy that
designs the game plan to stop this style of offense.
Oh I don't want that, bro. I don't want that shore.
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Let me tell you it's it's uh now, especially with
what the what, the weapons and the backs we have
as well with the receivers quarterback. I don't um. It's
gonna be difficult, believe me. Coach Stops, thanks so much.
The book is No Excuses, The making of a head coach.
Bob Stoops, the head coach the New Dallas Renegades of
the XFL, of course, legendary head coach at Oklahoma. Thanks
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for being part of the show. Thanks do appreciate it.
You guys have a great afternoon. All right, that's Bob Stoops,
head Coach,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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