September 13, 2019 • 43 mins
Doug dissects Cam Newton’s struggles over the course of his career and why his performance against the Buccaneers on Thursday Night Football should be reason or concern. He also tells you why Odell Beckham Jr trash talking with Jets DC Gregg Williams is not a good sign for the Browns. Plus, former NFL Scout John Middlekauff joins the show to preview all the week 2 match ups in the NFL.
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At Farmers dot Com, we are farmers. So last night
they did not exactly go as planned all of us
on the show. Dan Buyer, his pick was so bad
he stayed away. Today. I will contend I thought about
picking Tampa, but only against numbers, not to win. Uh
but music me Buyer. We all thought Carolina Panthers at home.
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Last year, home teams were fourteen and three on Thursday
night football games, and we just assumed the Carolina Panthers,
who should have really had a great shot of beating
the l A. Rams in Week one, would beat the
downtrodden real constantly rebuilding Tampa Buccaneers in Week two. That
was not what happened. Weird game had the weather delay
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and so it went into the wee hours of the
morning on the East coast. Was great for West Coast,
right Like I was like, man, I missed the game,
and all of a sudden, I saw the weather delay.
The kid was at baseball practice and I got to
watch the whole game. Was awesome. It came down to
a goal line stand. Should be pointed out that Tampa
did everything they could in their power. Uh, everything in
their power. Uh two, you know, Brashad Perriman dropping it
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a beautiful pass from Jamis Winson would have been touchdown
and they missed a field goal. Then on the next possession, Uh,
they had a delay of game which led to a safety.
Did everything in their power to allow Carolina to hang
around and have a chance to win the game, which,
by the way, as we look at lines, you'd be
amazed at the number we got our five for five
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or five picks were five hundred last week. Um, you'd
be amazed at how many NFL games end up within
a touchdown, almost all of them. So the six and
a half point line ended up. Obviously, you'd walk away
laughing if you had Tampa on the money line. But
in the moment, in the heart of it, at the
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at the end of it, it was very much in doubt.
Cam Newton was twenty five of fifty one, and they
used him as a thrower more than as a runner.
And if that wasn't the most bizarre thing, how about
the fact that they had Christian McCaffrey taken the direct
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snap at the end of the game when you have
the biggest running quarterback we've ever seen in the Nation
Football League. Here's Ron Rivera defending the play call on
the goal line. What's the reasoning though, between that play
that has had statistically the fourth and one camp sneaking
statistically has had such unprecedented success in the league, but
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now it is not the first option. Well, because we
felt good about the play scoring a touchdown and unfortunately
didn't work. I mean, that's all I can tell you.
We felt good about the play. Here's Cam Newton on
how his body feels and how it affected his performance.
People running, Do you feel I do? I mean, I
feel okay, but you're not gonna here no type of
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reasons why tonight Dan go is playing. I have to
be better. Okay. I'm not really sure what that had
to do with his body, just feeling. Okay, I understand
that Cam Newton pointed out he had to be better.
He was not completion percentage. Here's a guy who even
in his MVP season only completion percentage. His highest completion
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center is UH. Completion percentage in a season was sixty
two point two. And and here's like, look, the big
what if? The big what if has always been what if?
What if you had guys like a Cam Newton who
could make all the deep throws but could actually run.
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What if? And remember, Andrew Luck actually has a faster
forty time faster forty time than Cam Newton. And you know,
what if you had all of the weaponry from the
neck up of a Peyton manning and yet you could
also move Like all these what ifs, what ifs we
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thought we would see in a Cam Newton and Andrew Luck? Right,
Like what if we had some of what we've seen
before from previous quarterbacks, only in bigger frames that could move.
How many times have you been told the future of
the NFL is in a mobile quarterback, right? I mean
that that's what Mike Vick was the future of the NFL.
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Randall Cunningham was the future of the NFL. Steve Young
was the future of the NFL. And how did their
career play out? There's a bunch to the Cam Newton thing.
Do I think the play calling was was not good? Yes,
I think it was bad. In fact, whether it's a
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sneak or whatever, it's like, Look, he may not be
the athlete he used to be, but the threat of
Cam Newton, the threat of Cam Newton running the football
is enough to if you line up and go, you know,
and and fake like you're going to sneak it, everybody's
gonna think you're gonna sneak it. But but trying to
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run wildcat, trying to do all these tricoration things when like,
you have arguably the greatest zone read quarterback and he
doesn't always make the right read in the history of
the sport, and you don't use it late in the game.
It's just odd. It does speak to the fact that
his body is just okay. He's taken a beating, and
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there's a lot that goes into it. There's the he's
always been so so big, so fast, so strong that
at an early age or even in college, he wasn't
forced to to to to break down the progressions of
his wide receiver's patterns. It wasn't didn't have to do that,
Cam Newton, I don't have it. I'll just run it.
Somebody's in the way, I'll run over them, or if
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I can go around them, or I'll run past them.
And in the NFL, you don't get faster. Everybody else
does and eventually they're gonna hit you, and they're gonna
hurt you. And here he is. He looks. He's never
been a high completion percentage guy. He did throw a
terrible pick last night, and there were a couple of
us that could have been picked off. But that that's
who he is. But this was I said this year's ago,
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oh about Mike Vick versus Carson Palmer. And this was
before Mike Vick had the off the field troubles. It
was what Mike Vick does best. You're gonna ask him
to do less of. What Carson Palmer does best, you're
gonna ask him do more of. And that's the same
with Cam Newton. What Cam Newton does best has been
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run the football, but you're gonna ask him do less
and less and less. And now, coming off offficient shoulder surgery,
having a body that's been beaten up, you can't protect
him out of the pocket. You asked me your pocket past.
You haven't throw fifty one times, and he doesn't complete
fifty of his balls like in the NFL, that's unheard of, inaccuracy,
unheard of playing at home, granted a little bit wet conditions,
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but early in the year, like wow, we have guys
thrown for se guys thrown for four and five thousand yards,
guys evolving his passers, and we have the great what
ifs were Andrew Luck and Cam Newton, who look the
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part of two. I mean, if you never stood next
to either guy, Cam Newton blocks out the sun. He's
six six, he's two and fifty pounds. I'll grant you
can make fun I've been. I've been like the only
one who was early on in the preseason, I was
stunned at these scars that he's wearing, like what is
he doing? But but the scarves are actually kind of
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apropos in that no one's ever said like those are weird?
What are you doing alright? Like the suit is beautiful,
the hats were cool. The scars kind of weird. But
doesn't have anybody kind of telling him like, hey, dude,
I don't know about all that. The Grandma scars, which
is kind of like his career didn't have enough people
telling him like, hey dude, we gotta tighten these things up,
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we gotta be more accurate. We we gotta improve our efficiency,
improve our fundamentals. We thought that the Mike Dick thing
didn't work because of the off the field and maybe
some work ethic early in his career and the lack
of size. But with Cam Newton's five inches bigger, six
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inches bigger, you just can't do it. You can't do it.
And the same goes for angel Why is Andrew Luck
out of this league? Is it his offensive lines problem? Sure,
but also like there's a little Steve Yell. He wasn't
Steve Young, but that's a dude who you thought could
withstand the punishment of it. We thought for a long
time that I as the sport evolves, the players have
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to evolve, the quarterbacks have to evolve, and these bigger,
more athletic bodies, well they're gonna take over the sport.
But I want you to look at the guys. Philip
Rivers has never missed to start. Eli Manning only missed
to start when he was benched, going back to uh
two years ago. Right, that's it. Tom Brady did hurt
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his knee. He's been the NFL for what nineteen years?
That was the only time he's been injured. I mean
gold Look, Drew Brees, Yeah, he heard his shoulder his
last game with San Diego Chargers. He was back and
he's never missed. You know, He's missed like one or
two games. I think with the Saints that's it. And
so as as much as we we we want to
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evaluate the position, and everything in the NFL is getting
bigger and faster and stronger and more athletic. We have
a big enough case study to tell you the only
thing that really matters is can you throw from the pocket?
And if you can do that, if you can read
a defense and get rid of it quickly, you can
last for a long time. And Cam Newton. The answer
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is he cannot. The The m v P year was
the outlier. That was the best defense that was I
don't know if you know in that season they played
only one playoff team in the regular season, one one
team of the above five hundred record. They played a
soft schedule, They had the best running game in the league,
they had a great defense, and they played from ahead.
And even then he didn't complete his balls. I mean,
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part of it is in Charlotte, we just don't watch
the Carolina Panthers. Everybody in Carolina was listening to the
show is not in there and going like, yeah, that's
can nothing. None of this surprises us. And then you
factor in your at the goal line. You have a
six ft six quarterback who's known as a great runner,
an incredible athlete, who's found a way to find the
end zone. Even the National championship game when he's at Auburn.
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Remember he spun in and reached out, didn't have to,
but you know, got a touchdown. Didn't see that last night.
They're telling you his body is not the same, he
doesn't move the same, he can't take it, and they're
trying to make him into a pocket passer. And just
ain't it. And that's why. And I do think Kyler
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Murray is more of like Listen, Kyla Murray was not
out running guys this week, and Kyler Murray is. He
is much more of a ower. But you can tell
me that Lamar Jackson, this is gonna work. Even Lamar
I think knows it, and that he wants to be
more of a thrower. He knows for longevity. Longevity, you
gotta be able to throw. You canna be able to
throw from the pocket. And by the way, it's why
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I'm not a long term buyer, und Lamar Jackson. I
think it's more a sign of how bad the Dolphins were,
not just in their personnel, their mojo. I mean, it's
make Fitzpatrick already asking to be traded. We're just like,
you know, barely into his run with the Dolphins, everybody
just kind of giving up. I think water, you know,
once you get to week five and they start playing
legit opponents who have a book on them. I think
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people forced him to throw into tight windows. But all
this running around the quarterbacks do in college and they
do early on their pro career, it's gonna get your hurt.
It's gonna short your career and it is not a
determinant into your success in the NFL. Don't believe me.
They didn't even give Cam Newton a shot to run
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John Midlclock joins Just three Now podcast. The best milkshake
you can get is what I'm a mint chocolate chip
milkshade guy from Bath and Robbins. Yeah, he's a he's
a cookies and cream guy. I'm a big cookies guy.
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That's pretty good. That's pretty good too, the cookies and
cream for the the orio shake at Jackson Jack in
the Box as a sleeper. Yeah. Yeah. We we got
into a long discussion. He was like it was a
Chick fil a, uh, cookies and cream shake. And he
was like, man, Chick fil A shakes are good. I
was like, hey, dude, let me just explain something to you.
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They're all good. Right. They have sugar and ice cream
and it's all mixed together and you drink it like
that's I don't know anybody who's like that's terrible. Like
you may not love it, but it's not terrible. Not terrible.
Most people don't complain when they drink a milkshake. Um. So,
one of the things that was cool about my night
was I drop him off at baseball and I thought
I would catch the tail end the football game in staid.
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I got the whole second half, but I was I
was alarmed. I guess that Carolina has decided Cam Newton's
gonna throw the ball fifty times a game. How is that?
How is that a good game plan for success? At
the hell of a question, I don't know. I mean,
he's not an accurate quarterback right now. You know I
said the stat it's still kind of crazy, even though
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it's I've heard it multiple times a day, and I
saw it last night on NFL Network. They've lost eight
straight games with Cam Newton as a starting, starting quarterback.
I mean, it wasn't that long ago when he was
the MVP of the league. I mean it was two fifteen.
I was at the Super Bowl and the you know,
the early spring. I guess February of two sixteen at
Levi Stadium. But he's a he's shop and my my,
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the way I describe it and I think you'd understand this.
Doug is like a great athlete in basketball that can't shoot.
Once the athleticism kind of he loses it. I think
Russell ll exactly. Russell was kind of we're seeing with
Russ right now is kind of what's happening with Cam
because Cam's turned into he's like Eli Manning back there,
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because he doesn't really run around anymore. So that was
what when he won the m v P. I'm pretty
sure he had ten touchdowns. They used to run when
you played the Carolina Panthers and Cam Newton's prime, they
would run power, meaning they pulled the two guards and
he run the state and he run and it was
a dominant play. Well, I mean like look, I mean,
i mean look in the in the college Football Center.
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That's that's eleven on eleven. Like that doesn't happen. I mean,
there's a reason that you know, Bill Snyder ran it,
you know for years here at k State. You know,
because all of a sudden it's eleven on eleven, and
that's as hard an offense as there is to stop,
especially short yardage. But the fact that they can't run,
they won't run power down around the goal line. Now
when they when they need a yard, tells you all
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you need to know about how they feel about his body. Yeah,
I mean remember when they used to have Cam, Jonathan Stewart,
D'Angelo Williams, Tolbert. I mean, between those four guys just
pounding you, most teams would tap out. The only team
I saw that could physically hang with them, like in
their peak was those harbor Niners that gave them trouble.
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But everyone else. One year that the Panthers, I think
we're the two seed and in San Francisco went on
the road and beat him. But they were they were.
If you didn't have, you know, just some dudes up
front on defense, they were going to run it right
down your throat. And they don't do that anymore. I mean,
Christian can, but it's just kind of him by himself,
like Cam is incompleting balls. Guys wide open. My first
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reaction was, God, you know their receivers stuck, and then
you watch like, actually they're not bad DJ more, it's
pretty good player. The Samuel Kidd from Ohio State's getting
open with ease. McCaffrey's a stud. So it's like they
have good offensive players. It's just Cam's Cam's a losing
player right now. And that's I've never been a big
Cam guy. I'm not getting joy and watching him fail.
But he's terrible right now. Okay, So I mean, obviously
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it's weak too of the season, but Owen, it's not
just going to it's owing two and two home games
right out. He'd be fair to point out Rams, are,
you know, defending NFC champion. That's a that's a tough open.
You know, although the Rams and even play well, you know,
right to be beaten and not a great road team,
and but but owing to at home. Okay, So if
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you're running that team, like do you start the process
of thinking we might be in the quarterback? Like, how
do you do? He's such a big part of that franchise.
Like here's how you know he's he's still the dude there.
He's wearing scarves to the press conference, which is the
and no one says anything to him. So it's like
everybody's kind of scared of him, right. Uh, it's just
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a well, it's a weird I don't I don't even
know how they could move on if they wanted to
at the end of the year. Well, they can't get
out of the contract for two million dollars in dead
cap space. So the way you think they'd move on
is this guy just bought the team for two billion
dollars in cash. I would imagine they were hitting at
this last night in the broadcast, Troy did about you know,
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there's feeling a bunch of pressure the coaching staff. I'm
a big ron Rivera guy, but I think he's a
pretty good coach. I mean, like the Browns would die
for a guy like that, just to grown up in
the room, give him some toughness. But I don't know
if he's still gonna be around. You know, I think
they fire everybody. And as we see every year with
these new coaches come in, there are no sacred cows
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ever in the NFL, especially even when it's a guy
at this fame level, because he's probably he's more famous
now than he is talented. But it's just so cheap
to get out. I think you can justify if you
hire a new coach and you just kind of move on.
And the way they're heading, Hell, they might be drafted
high enough to draft a quarterback, so you wouldn't draft
a guy high and keep Cam around that that wouldn't work.
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So it's I I, Doug, I think there's it. I mean,
unless they turn this thing around. I I do not
expect him to be a Carolina Panther next year. Wow,
I'm just wondering Kim Newton on the market, Like, who's
who's buying that? Think? How many teams need quarterbacks? Really
not as many as you think, right, No, I mean,
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let's let's talk about another team that some think will
be in the quarterback market. I thought Jamis played pretty well. Now,
look he it should have been an interception. He threw
right through Luke kick Lee and you're like, oh, that's
why Luke Kilby's defense not tight end Um, But he
had he had I mean an absolute time to bushod
Uhman who I mean him right in the hands. Um.
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I thought he that was that was a great throw.
He made some really good throws. He he looks, he
looks good athletically. Um. Look, I get that he still
is prone to do stupid stuff like he did the
week before. What's your evil watching Jameis Winston. I thought
he was really good in the second half. He was
under control. He just made some plays when things weren't there.
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Like you said, the ball that was dropped by Perriman
the back of the end zone was a fantastic throw
and even after he missed it, he didn't freak out
or anything. To me, the most impressive part of jamis
and once he did the thing with the Uber driver,
I was out. It's like, come on, bro, you can't
have an uber without or getting an Uber without having
an issue. But and maybe he just was very, very
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slow to mature. You watch him on the post game
set with those guys, it was like he sounded like
a grown up for the first time I've ever seen him.
And maybe that's having left which arians around him. But
they have enough weapons on offense if he can just
play normal, right, I mean, obviously Evans is a star. O. J.
Howard just stud Cameron Brady's a good player, gotta win
the really good player. The running backs are more than
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functional now. Their offensive line isn't great. But maybe looking
back and Todd Bowls, he's not a head coach, but
he's a damn good defensive coordinator. I mean he knows
every time the blitz he's they do a pretty good job.
Uh yeah, I'm not I'm not sold that just they're
just gonna move on from Jamis. We know, we know
the way b a is. He likes, you know, reclamation projects.
He takes pride in that he's an offensive guy. I
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think he's really like he would get a lot of
credit if he's able to quote unquote save Jamis's career
and coming off the week that he just came off of.
He was struggling in the first half and then to
control it like that in the second half. App was
I gotta say my house is impressive. Doug gotlib show
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which is John Middlekoff's uh NFL focused podcast. Let's get
into some of the games this weekend, bunch of really
interesting ones. Let's start Packers and Vikings. Um, like, the
Vikings just dominate and choose to not use Kirk cousins
like those of all ten times. How do they match
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up with the Packers? Yeah, a lot of people are
kind of overreacting. Okay, they just they're scared of what
Kirk you know, open it up? Why would they? I mean,
they were just took over. They didn't want to waste anything.
They knew they were in complete control of the game.
Dalvin Cook looks like a star, which many people would
say come out of Florida State. He was, uh, you know,
the Green Bay Packers. The defense was really good last week,
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and obviously the Minnesota Vikings offensive personnel is pretty stacked,
so I think that's somewhat of a wash. The thing
that would lead me to pick the Vikings is, are
we sure that Rogers and that offense is still good.
I know they've changed, you know, this offensive philosophy under
la floor now they were playing the Bears, It's hard
to judge. I mean, the Bears, when it's all said
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and done, are gonna be a top two or three
defense in the league. But are they gonna be able
to score in Minnesota? Like, I know that Minnesota will
be able to score enough, you know, to win, you know,
seventeen twenty points somewhere in there. Like, are we sure
the Green Bay has a couple of touchdowns in them? Now?
It is at home Lafour's debut Rogers, I just think
Rogers not anywhere near the cam level. But he doesn't
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look kind of like the same guy, and he is old.
You know, I think we just chuck, everyone's now gonna
be able to play quarterback till they're forty or forty five.
That's not normal. Not everyone's gonna be able to do that,
you know. So maybe Rogers, the Rogers we're seeing is
no longer the guy that can just put the franchise
on his back and carry them to the promised Land.
So I I like Minnesota in this game. Wow, that's interesting.
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I kind of like the other side of it. But
that's you know, I kind of feel like it was
the Bears defense. But I do think that the Vikings
defense is nasty. We will uh, we'll see. Let's uh,
let's get to the Patriots. They look great last week. Um,
I feel like they don't need Antonio Brown, and I
feel like I feel like the last especially two years ago.
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I remember talking to NFL people like, dude, they have
no playmakers on defense. They kind of fixed that, and
you go with the fact that they've already coached guys up.
This feels like the best version of the Patriots in years.
Am I massively overreacting to one game in September? Yeah?
I don't think you are. I mean their secondary is stacked.
I mean, they got backups that was starting on other teams.
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Gil Moore has established himself is one of the best,
you know corners in the league, if not the best.
Guy mccordy is just the ultimate champion, you know, starting
guy on an elite team, and just they play so
well as a unit. Now high tower, such a good
player in their scheme. Winovich now kind of adds to
this new curveball as the situational pass rusher. I mean,
all the guys on New England, even when they're not
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as talented, are always smarter than you. Now once they
get a bunch of talent, I mean, and it goes
with Belichick and that's why it goes back to the offense.
I mean, they got these multiple running backs. Tom loves
throwing to those guys. Edelman is just the ideal Patriot
Josh Gordon. Now, if he can just you know, stay
on the field and stay away from marijuana, he's he's
a really good player. You know this. Jacobe Myers, the
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guy they undrafted free agent. I mean their their first
round pick. Tug is on I R. And it's not
even a big deal. Now. The one thing that stood
out to me about Antonio Brown is that practice on Wednesday.
He wore the number one I saw yesterday. He's now
upgraded a seventeen. It's not like he's bought the jersey
from Ben wasson eight four. Maybe the Patriots are like,
let's just hold off giving him a real number, you know,
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I mean the Patriots, and everyone's like, well, the Raiders
got a bunch of crap. Why doesn't Bill get the
same crap? Because the moment Antonio does something stupid, he
will relieve him of his duties and cut him. It's
just that simple. Now, I do think there's a chance
that Antonio just kind of buys in. Why wouldn't he
got a chance to win a Super Bowl? If Antonio
Brown just can act normal for a season, and is
Antonio Brown. How does this Patriot team not win like
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fifteen games that they would be absolutely unstoppable. I don't know.
And their schedule isn't isn't crazy difficult? Um, he's got
Mono and the Bills are just kind of average. The
Dolphins stink. I mean, this is a fourteen win team
probably without Antonio. If Antonio buys in, I don't know
if Belichick would want to run the table, not that
he would try to lose a game, but I think
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he likes losing the game because they able for him
to coach and lock back in. But I I don't
think it's inconceivable that. I mean, they're gonna be favorite
in every game they play this year. So their team
is a little different than that I was seven team.
But it's not crazy to think, right, It's it's not
crazy to think. Let me ask you about the Cardinals
first incomplete passes. They did nothing for three quarters and
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then all of a sudden they kind of found a
little bit of a rhythm, right, A lot of those
you know, they're running all these pick plays and you
know a lot of short underneath stuff to to Larry
Fitzgerald and Kyler got in a rhythm and they end
up finding a way to tie a football football game. Um, now,
now we've seen what they're going to do over one
football game in the NFL. They're obviously huge underdogs to Baltimore,
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and I want to talk about Baltimore in a second.
Do you think the Arizona thing works? Uh? No, I
mean I think, like this weekend, they'll get destroyed. I
think if Detroit wouldn't have taken their foot off the gas,
they get destroyed. Also, I think Detroit just kind of
ran out of gas. Uh you know, first game of
the season on the road, they just you get the
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ball back a bunch to Like I don't think this
only saw Florida State, Boise State. Where Boise State and
you ran like a hundred plays like those offenses when
you have three incomplete classes, your offense almost like their offense.
Detroit's offense ran out again, they weren't used to having
the ball that much. No, I mean, will you see
it when you watch U C l A now where
you live, Like if it's if it's not working, you
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take two seconds off the clock, I mean legitimately forty
five seconds and the three and out and you're like, uh,
in like this weekend when they play Oklahoma, it's gonna
be a problem the better teams they play. Also, I
give Kyler some credit. He didn't will you know the coach.
I thought it was because you flip up. You're like,
I got to six. You're thinking it's gonna be forty
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or something at the end of the game. So I
give him credit for staying in there. But I'm still
not a believer. My bigger issue with the offense because
I actually think Kyler is like the least of their worries.
He's a really talented player. He's gonna be able to
make some play. Uh. Their personnel is not great. Their
offensive linees think, and I think Vance Joseph is the
worst defensive coordinator in the league. There were some plays
early in that game against Detroit there just wide open,
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and I think Baltimore is gonna give him all sorts
of fifth And it's just it's gonna be a tough
environment just in general for Cliff Kingsbury and for Kyler
to go on the road in Baltimore, where if I'm
a Ravens fan and I'm going to the game, I'm
kind of feeling myself right now, even if if it's not,
it's probably as warranted as maybe people think given the score.
But you're like, god, we we got a squad. That
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place is always a tough place to play. I mean,
I love the Ravens this weekend. Okay, let's let's talk
to Ravens. It's it's I don't know what Miami was
doing right, Like they're bringing the safety so far down
the box and they still couldn't still weren't pressuring him
or stopping the run, and yet either playing man and
man and Hollywood Brown's running right by them. Lamar Jackson
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has all day to throw, Like I thought that. I
thought that the game plan that everybody else had was
make him throw into zones in the you know, short
underneath routes where he has to be accurate. That that's
not his strength. How much of it was the Dolphins
or a disaster, how much of it is Mark Jackson's
gotten much better? Yeah, I mean, I I think you
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gotta tip your hat to him. You know, he's clearly
a high character, hard working guy who's improved, and he's
in a high level organization that I'm sure during the
off season and during during training camp emphasize of the
right things. But if I'm an NBA player and I
scored thirty points and because eight wide open three, so
twenty four my points, or I score thirty points when
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Clay Thompson's checking me, They're not the same thing. So
if he had done that against Hell, the Bengals, just
any credible team, you know, not the Dolphins who are
legitimately tanking. I think we go whoa this might is?
His kids like gonna win the m v P. I
don't even know what to make of a Doug. I mean,
he hit he hit a guy that was opened by
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twenty twenty yard radius. He hit Mark keethes Brown and
another play that was a quick slant that he took
fifty yards. So the one thing I learned when I
was in the NFL as context is big. It's why
we see so many talented like guys that produced in
the preseason. You're like, oh, that guy had four sacks
in the preseason. He gets cut, well, I because three
of them he was untouched and there wasn't a guy
even blocking him. So if he's able to continue this
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and throw, you know, if he's able to throw touchdowns
in the contested windows because he's gonna have to do
that against the better teams. Then you just got to
be like, this guy's legit. You know, this guy's this
guy took a step. Now, we'll see. I'm hesitant to
say that, though it can't be disputed that he's surely
improved it. He seems like a very likable guy. He's
clearly talented. They have some unique weapons, and he's just
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with an organization that's kind of used to winning. So
they're going to carry themselves like winners. I'm not gonna
just scount them at all. But I don't really know
what to make of the Dolphins game. I mean, I
think it's it's hard to kind of just like, oh,
there's clearly one of the best teams. I don't think
you can do that. I got two more quick ones,
um Saints Rams. You know, they get they get, they
get through that fifteen seconds and it brings up really,
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you know, they got like PTSD from the NFC Championship game.
Now they're facing the Rams. Now they're facing the Rams.
Do you think that's still in the Saints head. I
don't think so, especially with the game being in l A.
I don't think it's gonna be as crazy. I think
the Rams though, I mean one game was the Super Bowl,
but even last week he wasn't that great and their
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running game was solid. I think the Saints, like if
you just watch that game, I mean, they're I just
think they're a better team than the Rams. I'm not sure,
you know the Colosseum and the Rams have some huge
home field advantage. I like the Saints in this game,
not because revenge or any of that bs more just
I just think the Saints are better. I just I
think at the end of the day, there's They're just
slightly better. And I think the Rams are probably not
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quite as good is they have been the last couple
of years. They don't quite have the same players, still talented,
they still got a good coach. I'm not like anti
Jared Goff, but you know, they run the same place
kind of over and over. They run these in breaking routes,
they run the outside zone and when they were coming
like when they were the elite team in the league
midway through last year and the year before, for different periods,
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their best player beside Donalds by a mile was Todd Gurley,
Like he was a dominant force he looks like, come,
Ara meets McCaffrey, meet Seek and he's not that guy anymore.
So if you don't, if you have a guy that
was at ten that's now a seven and a half eight,
that's that's a big deal, especially a guy that you
fed the ball to a lot like that's to me,
that's a that's a huge, huge kind of curveball into
their operation. That that that people want to say. The
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last thing, um, there's just back and forth now between O.
B J and Greg Williams. And Greg Williams smack back
to thing. He's like, hey, don't give me any attention.
He basically said, like, look, he's an attention hound. And
one of the reporters said, well, he's one of the
most talented guys in the league. He said, well, I
did you you saying that the Giants say that right,
basically saying like the Giants thought he was so good,
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then why they trade him. What's your takeaway from this
back and forth? Yeah, I mean these are two guys
who just talk a lot. You know. I don't know,
Odell can say whatever he wants. Greg Williams like I
I watched the Browns game on like Monday, Odell was
pretty good in that game. He was not their problem.
I don't know why if you're the coach. I mean,
O'Dell is probably the most talented player. Why he's even
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bringing it up? I am stand Greg Williams egoes the
side of cap side of California, but just maybe just say,
like I don't even know, no comment or he's a
great player, just say nothing. Why why why even shoot back?
And that's why I think Greg Williams like oh Dale,
we expect him to say dumb things and you know,
Duke stuff like that. But the coach, it's kind of
who Greg Williams is, right, he just can't help himself.
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Remember remember he's offered multiple head coaching jobs and instead
become the defensive coordining of the Cleveland Browns, who had
won one game over two years. Right, especially especially talking
when you just lost your quarterback to Mono and you've
probably got no shot. Why why even do that? I
don't know. The podcast is three out. It's a great one.
Also fall on Facebook. His rants are amazing. John Middlecoff
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great stuff, dude. Be sure to catch live editions So
the Doug Got Leaps Show week days at noon Eastern
three PM Pacific. We're probably the first to get to
this yesterday where Odell Beckham Jr. Said that, you know,
as some of his teammates now we're on the Browns
last year, and that Greig Williams, the defensive coordinators tell
him take dirty shots at him. Uh, this is Greg Williams,
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de coordinator of the Jets. Do they play on Monday night?
Talking about oh b j O'Dell who That was a joke,
that was Jerry. You know, that's just you know, those
are the things. I think there's been several players. I
just found out about it, but we've got several players
that have already come out. And you know that I've
mentioned things about that we don't do that. I've never
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done that anywhere I've been. We don't do anything to
hurt the team. It's the number one primary thing. If
you're committing penalties, you're doing those types of stuff. We
just don't do it. And you know, and you guys
are cooperating giving him attention. Just don't give him attention,
you know, And it just is what it is. He's
one of them, he's one of the almost dynamic players
in the league. For him, that's your opinion. He's one
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of what what what's the New York's opinion, the giants opinion?
What did what did the Giants do? So that's not
a question for me. Doug got Liepschell, you're on Fox
Sports Radio. Greg Williams had two trigger points that most
people in the NFL belief. Okay, here's the first. He
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just wants attention. He's screaming for attention. That's it. He
wants attention. And the second part is, if he's so dynamic,
if he's so irreplaceable, if he's so remarkable, why the
Giants came away? Why the Giants came away again? It
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doesn't mean that he's not good, doesn't mean he's not dynamic.
But if he's one of those dynamic players the entire league,
why they give up on him? Had him on a
contract that paid him the bigger to pay him the
signing bonus. I I understand that there is the baggage
and things that he could control them, the things that
we say, and I was I was the first to
point out, and really I was the first point out,
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they said in the NFL network at the time, but
they didn't drag it out. I pointed out for two
weeks afterwards, and even in this upcoming off season before
the trade was made, after was made, when he bailed
on an onside kick when they're playing the Chicago Bears
and they're playing well, balls coming at him. His job
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is to just field the kick and he has other
guys there to protect him. When he made his business decision,
they were like, we're done. We're done. Guy says he
wants to win. All you have to do is recover
the onside kick and we win. You don't, someways you say,
it's what you do. So I look at it and
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do I think Greg Williams, does that mean? Does that
free Greg Williams up from telling guys to take people out?
Like no, But again, that's his m O. Some of
that is because of what he did when he was
in New Orleans. Some of that is because that's who
he is, and Greg Williams is a trash talker. He
does he says things that are classically untrue in order
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to try and fire up his his team. Greg Way,
there's a reason he's been He's coached on half the
teams in the league, right, and that he didn't get
the job last year. Right. I mean, like, look, Greg
Williams is not he Greg orliays, is like the guy
you see in the hallway and you know, but you're
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not really like buddies with you, Like it's Jimmy. What
do you tell me about Jimmy? Like I don't know.
I just know it's Jimmy. That's how Greg Williams is
with the truth, that he's seen the truth in the hallway.
Like Greg lays the guy who said, like, man, I've
turned down multiple head coaching jobs, like okay, name one.
You don't turn down the head coaching jobs in the NFL.
There's thirty two jobs. You don't turn them down to
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stay a decordinator. Stop it. It's just not true. I mean,
unless you're just dumb. And I don't think he's dumb.
I just think he knows the truth he sees in
the hallway and he chooses to just know Jimmy but
doesn't really know what the truth is. So I'm not
sitting here telling you that Greg Williams is a saint,
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or he's the best guy, or he's telling the truth.
But what he is doing is he's pushing the two
buttons of Odell Beckham Jr. And you push somebody's buttons
when you know the triggers, and usually there's a lot
of truth to it. If he's so dynamic, why the
Giants trade him and he's just doing all this for attention.
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Don't give in to it. I'm not gonna do it.
You shouldn't do it. And for oh b J, I
want you to think about this. This is first game
back in New York since being traded Monday night, and
any time we've had these lead up games to these
big games, he's performed pretty well, but he hasn't been
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able to maintain his composure. Remember the Josh Norman fight,
I'm the lead up to that. Remember the kicking net thing,
the fake like you're peeing on a cone thing like
They were all discussions during a week bunch of attention
given to him, and it's what he wants, but he
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can't exactly handle it. So man, so I um, I
look at it, and I I'm just blown away, absolutely
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blown away by the fact that Greg Williams of all people,
and maybe that's the that's the secret to Greg Williams
is that he can he knows the triggers, he knows
the buttons, and he can push them. Oh b J
coming back into town. First game in Giant Stadium or
it MetLife whatever he used to be Giant Stadium, first
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game in that same stadium against a guy who is
a bit of a trash talker, knows that team knows
ob J well, and instead of backing down from the controversy,
he's like, look, basically said, look, he's an attention hound.
Who if he's so good, why the Giants got him?
Why the Giants got him? Loose and trade him? He
knows exactly That's this is the scatter report. Odell Beckham Jr.
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Tweak him, tweak him music. Well, well, you look like
you want to get in, couldn't you say? There is
a sort of reverse psychology here that clearly, uh, if
Greg Williams is saying these things about Odell Beckham Jr.
(40:35):
To get into his head, it's because he actually does
know how talented he is and he wants to throw
him off his game, Like isn't that what Brown's players
should be trying to tell Odell, Like come on, man,
don't let this stuff get under your skin. You know. Yeah,
I mean again, but this is the problem with the Browns.
There is no leadership, There is anybody going like, hey, dude,
just let's just go out and win. We didn't play
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well last week. Let's go out and play well. Let's
just go bust their ass. They don't have a quarterback,
Levan Bells dinged up. You know, their number one pick
um is a little dinged up. You know, one of
their top watch Quincy new ones done may not play football,
Like we are way better than them. Why, here's one
you ever heard this one? Don't punch down. Don't punch down.
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Don't punch down if you don't punch down, you know,
and by punching down, the Jets are below the Browns
right now, they are. The Jets would be a team
to be lucky, lucky to win a game in the
first six or seven. And you start owing six or seven, like,
you know, seasons complete waste, completely lost. I mean even
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when Donald gets back, Like, how many games are they
gonna win? The Browns are team expected to make the playoffs,
some people expecting to compete for the Super Bowl, and
you're worried about you know, you're you're getting into a
back and forth at the defensive coordinator who is clearly
bitter he didn't get the job right. He was in Cleveland,
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was doing a good job. The defense wasn't the problem,
per se. He didn't get the job. He got passed
over for a guy that was the running backs coach.
I mean, he's obviously mad about it, and maybe O.
B J is just trying to tweak him. But that's
not your job, dude. Just go and catch touchdown passes.
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I mean, look, this is the whole thing with him.
The watch serves no purpose other than to bring attention
for him. The hair serves no purpose than to bring
attention to him. The calling out the defensive court serves
no purpose other than to bring attention to him. And
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Greg Williams knows it and said as much. This is
who the league thinks you are. You just love attention, dude.
You love attention more than you love football. Football brings
the attention, but you love the attention more. And if
you're so good, you're so dynamic, you're so crazy, super talented,
you're a once in a generation player. I mean that
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the Giants had Lawrence Tale, they had ever traded him, right.
The Giants are building their new their their new culture
around se Kwon Barkley. That's what they're building around, not
you what does that tell you? Again, it doesn't mean
the Giants are properly evaluating his talent, and doesn't mean
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that that Greg Williams isn't taken a little a little
liberty with it, because let's all be honest. Odell Beckham Jr.
Is a supreme talent. But is he that good? I
don't know. I kind of think he was echoing what
he believes other people say.
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At Farmers dot Com, we are farmers. So last night
they did not exactly go as planned all of us
on the show. Dan Buyer, his pick was so bad
he stayed away. Today. I will contend I thought about
picking Tampa, but only against numbers, not to win. Uh
but music me Buyer. We all thought Carolina Panthers at home.
(01:07):
Last year, home teams were fourteen and three on Thursday
night football games, and we just assumed the Carolina Panthers,
who should have really had a great shot of beating
the l A. Rams in Week one, would beat the
downtrodden real constantly rebuilding Tampa Buccaneers in Week two. That
was not what happened. Weird game had the weather delay
(01:30):
and so it went into the wee hours of the
morning on the East coast. Was great for West Coast,
right Like I was like, man, I missed the game,
and all of a sudden, I saw the weather delay.
The kid was at baseball practice and I got to
watch the whole game. Was awesome. It came down to
a goal line stand. Should be pointed out that Tampa
did everything they could in their power. Uh, everything in
their power. Uh two, you know, Brashad Perriman dropping it
(01:54):
a beautiful pass from Jamis Winson would have been touchdown
and they missed a field goal. Then on the next possession, Uh,
they had a delay of game which led to a safety.
Did everything in their power to allow Carolina to hang
around and have a chance to win the game, which,
by the way, as we look at lines, you'd be
amazed at the number we got our five for five
(02:15):
or five picks were five hundred last week. Um, you'd
be amazed at how many NFL games end up within
a touchdown, almost all of them. So the six and
a half point line ended up. Obviously, you'd walk away
laughing if you had Tampa on the money line. But
in the moment, in the heart of it, at the
(02:35):
at the end of it, it was very much in doubt.
Cam Newton was twenty five of fifty one, and they
used him as a thrower more than as a runner.
And if that wasn't the most bizarre thing, how about
the fact that they had Christian McCaffrey taken the direct
(02:58):
snap at the end of the game when you have
the biggest running quarterback we've ever seen in the Nation
Football League. Here's Ron Rivera defending the play call on
the goal line. What's the reasoning though, between that play
that has had statistically the fourth and one camp sneaking
statistically has had such unprecedented success in the league, but
(03:19):
now it is not the first option. Well, because we
felt good about the play scoring a touchdown and unfortunately
didn't work. I mean, that's all I can tell you.
We felt good about the play. Here's Cam Newton on
how his body feels and how it affected his performance.
People running, Do you feel I do? I mean, I
feel okay, but you're not gonna here no type of
(03:42):
reasons why tonight Dan go is playing. I have to
be better. Okay. I'm not really sure what that had
to do with his body, just feeling. Okay, I understand
that Cam Newton pointed out he had to be better.
He was not completion percentage. Here's a guy who even
in his MVP season only completion percentage. His highest completion
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center is UH. Completion percentage in a season was sixty
two point two. And and here's like, look, the big
what if? The big what if has always been what if?
What if you had guys like a Cam Newton who
could make all the deep throws but could actually run.
(04:25):
What if? And remember, Andrew Luck actually has a faster
forty time faster forty time than Cam Newton. And you know,
what if you had all of the weaponry from the
neck up of a Peyton manning and yet you could
also move Like all these what ifs, what ifs we
(04:45):
thought we would see in a Cam Newton and Andrew Luck? Right,
Like what if we had some of what we've seen
before from previous quarterbacks, only in bigger frames that could move.
How many times have you been told the future of
the NFL is in a mobile quarterback, right? I mean
that that's what Mike Vick was the future of the NFL.
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Randall Cunningham was the future of the NFL. Steve Young
was the future of the NFL. And how did their
career play out? There's a bunch to the Cam Newton thing.
Do I think the play calling was was not good? Yes,
I think it was bad. In fact, whether it's a
(05:29):
sneak or whatever, it's like, Look, he may not be
the athlete he used to be, but the threat of
Cam Newton, the threat of Cam Newton running the football
is enough to if you line up and go, you know,
and and fake like you're going to sneak it, everybody's
gonna think you're gonna sneak it. But but trying to
(05:49):
run wildcat, trying to do all these tricoration things when like,
you have arguably the greatest zone read quarterback and he
doesn't always make the right read in the history of
the sport, and you don't use it late in the game.
It's just odd. It does speak to the fact that
his body is just okay. He's taken a beating, and
(06:15):
there's a lot that goes into it. There's the he's
always been so so big, so fast, so strong that
at an early age or even in college, he wasn't
forced to to to to break down the progressions of
his wide receiver's patterns. It wasn't didn't have to do that,
Cam Newton, I don't have it. I'll just run it.
Somebody's in the way, I'll run over them, or if
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I can go around them, or I'll run past them.
And in the NFL, you don't get faster. Everybody else
does and eventually they're gonna hit you, and they're gonna
hurt you. And here he is. He looks. He's never
been a high completion percentage guy. He did throw a
terrible pick last night, and there were a couple of
us that could have been picked off. But that that's
who he is. But this was I said this year's ago,
(07:00):
oh about Mike Vick versus Carson Palmer. And this was
before Mike Vick had the off the field troubles. It
was what Mike Vick does best. You're gonna ask him
to do less of. What Carson Palmer does best, you're
gonna ask him do more of. And that's the same
with Cam Newton. What Cam Newton does best has been
(07:21):
run the football, but you're gonna ask him do less
and less and less. And now, coming off offficient shoulder surgery,
having a body that's been beaten up, you can't protect
him out of the pocket. You asked me your pocket past.
You haven't throw fifty one times, and he doesn't complete
fifty of his balls like in the NFL, that's unheard of, inaccuracy,
unheard of playing at home, granted a little bit wet conditions,
(07:45):
but early in the year, like wow, we have guys
thrown for se guys thrown for four and five thousand yards,
guys evolving his passers, and we have the great what
ifs were Andrew Luck and Cam Newton, who look the
(08:07):
part of two. I mean, if you never stood next
to either guy, Cam Newton blocks out the sun. He's
six six, he's two and fifty pounds. I'll grant you
can make fun I've been. I've been like the only
one who was early on in the preseason, I was
stunned at these scars that he's wearing, like what is
he doing? But but the scarves are actually kind of
(08:30):
apropos in that no one's ever said like those are weird?
What are you doing alright? Like the suit is beautiful,
the hats were cool. The scars kind of weird. But
doesn't have anybody kind of telling him like, hey, dude,
I don't know about all that. The Grandma scars, which
is kind of like his career didn't have enough people
telling him like, hey dude, we gotta tighten these things up,
(08:53):
we gotta be more accurate. We we gotta improve our efficiency,
improve our fundamentals. We thought that the Mike Dick thing
didn't work because of the off the field and maybe
some work ethic early in his career and the lack
of size. But with Cam Newton's five inches bigger, six
(09:14):
inches bigger, you just can't do it. You can't do it.
And the same goes for angel Why is Andrew Luck
out of this league? Is it his offensive lines problem? Sure,
but also like there's a little Steve Yell. He wasn't
Steve Young, but that's a dude who you thought could
withstand the punishment of it. We thought for a long
time that I as the sport evolves, the players have
(09:39):
to evolve, the quarterbacks have to evolve, and these bigger,
more athletic bodies, well they're gonna take over the sport.
But I want you to look at the guys. Philip
Rivers has never missed to start. Eli Manning only missed
to start when he was benched, going back to uh
two years ago. Right, that's it. Tom Brady did hurt
(10:02):
his knee. He's been the NFL for what nineteen years?
That was the only time he's been injured. I mean
gold Look, Drew Brees, Yeah, he heard his shoulder his
last game with San Diego Chargers. He was back and
he's never missed. You know, He's missed like one or
two games. I think with the Saints that's it. And
so as as much as we we we want to
(10:24):
evaluate the position, and everything in the NFL is getting
bigger and faster and stronger and more athletic. We have
a big enough case study to tell you the only
thing that really matters is can you throw from the pocket?
And if you can do that, if you can read
a defense and get rid of it quickly, you can
last for a long time. And Cam Newton. The answer
(10:47):
is he cannot. The The m v P year was
the outlier. That was the best defense that was I
don't know if you know in that season they played
only one playoff team in the regular season, one one
team of the above five hundred record. They played a
soft schedule, They had the best running game in the league,
they had a great defense, and they played from ahead.
And even then he didn't complete his balls. I mean,
(11:12):
part of it is in Charlotte, we just don't watch
the Carolina Panthers. Everybody in Carolina was listening to the
show is not in there and going like, yeah, that's
can nothing. None of this surprises us. And then you
factor in your at the goal line. You have a
six ft six quarterback who's known as a great runner,
an incredible athlete, who's found a way to find the
end zone. Even the National championship game when he's at Auburn.
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Remember he spun in and reached out, didn't have to,
but you know, got a touchdown. Didn't see that last night.
They're telling you his body is not the same, he
doesn't move the same, he can't take it, and they're
trying to make him into a pocket passer. And just
ain't it. And that's why. And I do think Kyler
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Murray is more of like Listen, Kyla Murray was not
out running guys this week, and Kyler Murray is. He
is much more of a ower. But you can tell
me that Lamar Jackson, this is gonna work. Even Lamar
I think knows it, and that he wants to be
more of a thrower. He knows for longevity. Longevity, you
gotta be able to throw. You canna be able to
throw from the pocket. And by the way, it's why
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I'm not a long term buyer, und Lamar Jackson. I
think it's more a sign of how bad the Dolphins were,
not just in their personnel, their mojo. I mean, it's
make Fitzpatrick already asking to be traded. We're just like,
you know, barely into his run with the Dolphins, everybody
just kind of giving up. I think water, you know,
once you get to week five and they start playing
legit opponents who have a book on them. I think
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people forced him to throw into tight windows. But all
this running around the quarterbacks do in college and they
do early on their pro career, it's gonna get your hurt.
It's gonna short your career and it is not a
determinant into your success in the NFL. Don't believe me.
They didn't even give Cam Newton a shot to run
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Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays noon eastern three pm Pacific
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John Midlclock joins Just three Now podcast. The best milkshake
you can get is what I'm a mint chocolate chip
milkshade guy from Bath and Robbins. Yeah, he's a he's
a cookies and cream guy. I'm a big cookies guy.
(13:21):
That's pretty good. That's pretty good too, the cookies and
cream for the the orio shake at Jackson Jack in
the Box as a sleeper. Yeah. Yeah. We we got
into a long discussion. He was like it was a
Chick fil a, uh, cookies and cream shake. And he
was like, man, Chick fil A shakes are good. I
was like, hey, dude, let me just explain something to you.
(13:42):
They're all good. Right. They have sugar and ice cream
and it's all mixed together and you drink it like
that's I don't know anybody who's like that's terrible. Like
you may not love it, but it's not terrible. Not terrible.
Most people don't complain when they drink a milkshake. Um. So,
one of the things that was cool about my night
was I drop him off at baseball and I thought
I would catch the tail end the football game in staid.
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I got the whole second half, but I was I
was alarmed. I guess that Carolina has decided Cam Newton's
gonna throw the ball fifty times a game. How is that?
How is that a good game plan for success? At
the hell of a question, I don't know. I mean,
he's not an accurate quarterback right now. You know I
said the stat it's still kind of crazy, even though
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it's I've heard it multiple times a day, and I
saw it last night on NFL Network. They've lost eight
straight games with Cam Newton as a starting, starting quarterback.
I mean, it wasn't that long ago when he was
the MVP of the league. I mean it was two fifteen.
I was at the Super Bowl and the you know,
the early spring. I guess February of two sixteen at
Levi Stadium. But he's a he's shop and my my,
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the way I describe it and I think you'd understand this.
Doug is like a great athlete in basketball that can't shoot.
Once the athleticism kind of he loses it. I think
Russell ll exactly. Russell was kind of we're seeing with
Russ right now is kind of what's happening with Cam
because Cam's turned into he's like Eli Manning back there,
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because he doesn't really run around anymore. So that was
what when he won the m v P. I'm pretty
sure he had ten touchdowns. They used to run when
you played the Carolina Panthers and Cam Newton's prime, they
would run power, meaning they pulled the two guards and
he run the state and he run and it was
a dominant play. Well, I mean like look, I mean,
i mean look in the in the college Football Center.
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That's that's eleven on eleven. Like that doesn't happen. I mean,
there's a reason that you know, Bill Snyder ran it,
you know for years here at k State. You know,
because all of a sudden it's eleven on eleven, and
that's as hard an offense as there is to stop,
especially short yardage. But the fact that they can't run,
they won't run power down around the goal line. Now
when they when they need a yard, tells you all
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you need to know about how they feel about his body. Yeah,
I mean remember when they used to have Cam, Jonathan Stewart,
D'Angelo Williams, Tolbert. I mean, between those four guys just
pounding you, most teams would tap out. The only team
I saw that could physically hang with them, like in
their peak was those harbor Niners that gave them trouble.
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But everyone else. One year that the Panthers, I think
we're the two seed and in San Francisco went on
the road and beat him. But they were they were.
If you didn't have, you know, just some dudes up
front on defense, they were going to run it right
down your throat. And they don't do that anymore. I mean,
Christian can, but it's just kind of him by himself,
like Cam is incompleting balls. Guys wide open. My first
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reaction was, God, you know their receivers stuck, and then
you watch like, actually they're not bad DJ more, it's
pretty good player. The Samuel Kidd from Ohio State's getting
open with ease. McCaffrey's a stud. So it's like they
have good offensive players. It's just Cam's Cam's a losing
player right now. And that's I've never been a big
Cam guy. I'm not getting joy and watching him fail.
But he's terrible right now. Okay, So I mean, obviously
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it's weak too of the season, but Owen, it's not
just going to it's owing two and two home games
right out. He'd be fair to point out Rams, are,
you know, defending NFC champion. That's a that's a tough open.
You know, although the Rams and even play well, you know,
right to be beaten and not a great road team,
and but but owing to at home. Okay, So if
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you're running that team, like do you start the process
of thinking we might be in the quarterback? Like, how
do you do? He's such a big part of that franchise.
Like here's how you know he's he's still the dude there.
He's wearing scarves to the press conference, which is the
and no one says anything to him. So it's like
everybody's kind of scared of him, right. Uh, it's just
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a well, it's a weird I don't I don't even
know how they could move on if they wanted to
at the end of the year. Well, they can't get
out of the contract for two million dollars in dead
cap space. So the way you think they'd move on
is this guy just bought the team for two billion
dollars in cash. I would imagine they were hitting at
this last night in the broadcast, Troy did about you know,
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there's feeling a bunch of pressure the coaching staff. I'm
a big ron Rivera guy, but I think he's a
pretty good coach. I mean, like the Browns would die
for a guy like that, just to grown up in
the room, give him some toughness. But I don't know
if he's still gonna be around. You know, I think
they fire everybody. And as we see every year with
these new coaches come in, there are no sacred cows
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ever in the NFL, especially even when it's a guy
at this fame level, because he's probably he's more famous
now than he is talented. But it's just so cheap
to get out. I think you can justify if you
hire a new coach and you just kind of move on.
And the way they're heading, Hell, they might be drafted
high enough to draft a quarterback, so you wouldn't draft
a guy high and keep Cam around that that wouldn't work.
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So it's I I, Doug, I think there's it. I mean,
unless they turn this thing around. I I do not
expect him to be a Carolina Panther next year. Wow,
I'm just wondering Kim Newton on the market, Like, who's
who's buying that? Think? How many teams need quarterbacks? Really
not as many as you think, right, No, I mean,
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let's let's talk about another team that some think will
be in the quarterback market. I thought Jamis played pretty well. Now,
look he it should have been an interception. He threw
right through Luke kick Lee and you're like, oh, that's
why Luke Kilby's defense not tight end Um, But he
had he had I mean an absolute time to bushod
Uhman who I mean him right in the hands. Um.
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I thought he that was that was a great throw.
He made some really good throws. He he looks, he
looks good athletically. Um. Look, I get that he still
is prone to do stupid stuff like he did the
week before. What's your evil watching Jameis Winston. I thought
he was really good in the second half. He was
under control. He just made some plays when things weren't there.
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Like you said, the ball that was dropped by Perriman
the back of the end zone was a fantastic throw
and even after he missed it, he didn't freak out
or anything. To me, the most impressive part of jamis
and once he did the thing with the Uber driver,
I was out. It's like, come on, bro, you can't
have an uber without or getting an Uber without having
an issue. But and maybe he just was very, very
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slow to mature. You watch him on the post game
set with those guys, it was like he sounded like
a grown up for the first time I've ever seen him.
And maybe that's having left which arians around him. But
they have enough weapons on offense if he can just
play normal, right, I mean, obviously Evans is a star. O. J.
Howard just stud Cameron Brady's a good player, gotta win
the really good player. The running backs are more than
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functional now. Their offensive line isn't great. But maybe looking
back and Todd Bowls, he's not a head coach, but
he's a damn good defensive coordinator. I mean he knows
every time the blitz he's they do a pretty good job.
Uh yeah, I'm not I'm not sold that just they're
just gonna move on from Jamis. We know, we know
the way b a is. He likes, you know, reclamation projects.
He takes pride in that he's an offensive guy. I
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think he's really like he would get a lot of
credit if he's able to quote unquote save Jamis's career
and coming off the week that he just came off of.
He was struggling in the first half and then to
control it like that in the second half. App was
I gotta say my house is impressive. Doug gotlib show
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NBA draft. That's the Herd Podcast Network. Get three and Out,
which is John Middlekoff's uh NFL focused podcast. Let's get
into some of the games this weekend, bunch of really
interesting ones. Let's start Packers and Vikings. Um, like, the
Vikings just dominate and choose to not use Kirk cousins
like those of all ten times. How do they match
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up with the Packers? Yeah, a lot of people are
kind of overreacting. Okay, they just they're scared of what
Kirk you know, open it up? Why would they? I mean,
they were just took over. They didn't want to waste anything.
They knew they were in complete control of the game.
Dalvin Cook looks like a star, which many people would
say come out of Florida State. He was, uh, you know,
the Green Bay Packers. The defense was really good last week,
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and obviously the Minnesota Vikings offensive personnel is pretty stacked,
so I think that's somewhat of a wash. The thing
that would lead me to pick the Vikings is, are
we sure that Rogers and that offense is still good.
I know they've changed, you know, this offensive philosophy under
la floor now they were playing the Bears, It's hard
to judge. I mean, the Bears, when it's all said
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and done, are gonna be a top two or three
defense in the league. But are they gonna be able
to score in Minnesota? Like, I know that Minnesota will
be able to score enough, you know, to win, you know,
seventeen twenty points somewhere in there. Like, are we sure
the Green Bay has a couple of touchdowns in them? Now?
It is at home Lafour's debut Rogers, I just think
Rogers not anywhere near the cam level. But he doesn't
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look kind of like the same guy, and he is old.
You know, I think we just chuck, everyone's now gonna
be able to play quarterback till they're forty or forty five.
That's not normal. Not everyone's gonna be able to do that,
you know. So maybe Rogers, the Rogers we're seeing is
no longer the guy that can just put the franchise
on his back and carry them to the promised Land.
So I I like Minnesota in this game. Wow, that's interesting.
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I kind of like the other side of it. But
that's you know, I kind of feel like it was
the Bears defense. But I do think that the Vikings
defense is nasty. We will uh, we'll see. Let's uh,
let's get to the Patriots. They look great last week. Um,
I feel like they don't need Antonio Brown, and I
feel like I feel like the last especially two years ago.
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I remember talking to NFL people like, dude, they have
no playmakers on defense. They kind of fixed that, and
you go with the fact that they've already coached guys up.
This feels like the best version of the Patriots in years.
Am I massively overreacting to one game in September? Yeah?
I don't think you are. I mean their secondary is stacked.
I mean, they got backups that was starting on other teams.
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Gil Moore has established himself is one of the best,
you know corners in the league, if not the best.
Guy mccordy is just the ultimate champion, you know, starting
guy on an elite team, and just they play so
well as a unit. Now high tower, such a good
player in their scheme. Winovich now kind of adds to
this new curveball as the situational pass rusher. I mean,
all the guys on New England, even when they're not
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as talented, are always smarter than you. Now once they
get a bunch of talent, I mean, and it goes
with Belichick and that's why it goes back to the offense.
I mean, they got these multiple running backs. Tom loves
throwing to those guys. Edelman is just the ideal Patriot
Josh Gordon. Now, if he can just you know, stay
on the field and stay away from marijuana, he's he's
a really good player. You know this. Jacobe Myers, the
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guy they undrafted free agent. I mean their their first
round pick. Tug is on I R. And it's not
even a big deal. Now. The one thing that stood
out to me about Antonio Brown is that practice on Wednesday.
He wore the number one I saw yesterday. He's now
upgraded a seventeen. It's not like he's bought the jersey
from Ben wasson eight four. Maybe the Patriots are like,
let's just hold off giving him a real number, you know,
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I mean the Patriots, and everyone's like, well, the Raiders
got a bunch of crap. Why doesn't Bill get the
same crap? Because the moment Antonio does something stupid, he
will relieve him of his duties and cut him. It's
just that simple. Now, I do think there's a chance
that Antonio just kind of buys in. Why wouldn't he
got a chance to win a Super Bowl? If Antonio
Brown just can act normal for a season, and is
Antonio Brown. How does this Patriot team not win like
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fifteen games that they would be absolutely unstoppable. I don't know.
And their schedule isn't isn't crazy difficult? Um, he's got
Mono and the Bills are just kind of average. The
Dolphins stink. I mean, this is a fourteen win team
probably without Antonio. If Antonio buys in, I don't know
if Belichick would want to run the table, not that
he would try to lose a game, but I think
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he likes losing the game because they able for him
to coach and lock back in. But I I don't
think it's inconceivable that. I mean, they're gonna be favorite
in every game they play this year. So their team
is a little different than that I was seven team.
But it's not crazy to think, right, It's it's not
crazy to think. Let me ask you about the Cardinals
first incomplete passes. They did nothing for three quarters and
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then all of a sudden they kind of found a
little bit of a rhythm, right, A lot of those
you know, they're running all these pick plays and you
know a lot of short underneath stuff to to Larry
Fitzgerald and Kyler got in a rhythm and they end
up finding a way to tie a football football game. Um, now,
now we've seen what they're going to do over one
football game in the NFL. They're obviously huge underdogs to Baltimore,
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and I want to talk about Baltimore in a second.
Do you think the Arizona thing works? Uh? No, I
mean I think, like this weekend, they'll get destroyed. I
think if Detroit wouldn't have taken their foot off the gas,
they get destroyed. Also, I think Detroit just kind of
ran out of gas. Uh you know, first game of
the season on the road, they just you get the
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ball back a bunch to Like I don't think this
only saw Florida State, Boise State. Where Boise State and
you ran like a hundred plays like those offenses when
you have three incomplete classes, your offense almost like their offense.
Detroit's offense ran out again, they weren't used to having
the ball that much. No, I mean, will you see
it when you watch U C l A now where
you live, Like if it's if it's not working, you
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take two seconds off the clock, I mean legitimately forty
five seconds and the three and out and you're like, uh,
in like this weekend when they play Oklahoma, it's gonna
be a problem the better teams they play. Also, I
give Kyler some credit. He didn't will you know the coach.
I thought it was because you flip up. You're like,
I got to six. You're thinking it's gonna be forty
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or something at the end of the game. So I
give him credit for staying in there. But I'm still
not a believer. My bigger issue with the offense because
I actually think Kyler is like the least of their worries.
He's a really talented player. He's gonna be able to
make some play. Uh. Their personnel is not great. Their
offensive linees think, and I think Vance Joseph is the
worst defensive coordinator in the league. There were some plays
early in that game against Detroit there just wide open,
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and I think Baltimore is gonna give him all sorts
of fifth And it's just it's gonna be a tough
environment just in general for Cliff Kingsbury and for Kyler
to go on the road in Baltimore, where if I'm
a Ravens fan and I'm going to the game, I'm
kind of feeling myself right now, even if if it's not,
it's probably as warranted as maybe people think given the score.
But you're like, god, we we got a squad. That
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place is always a tough place to play. I mean,
I love the Ravens this weekend. Okay, let's let's talk
to Ravens. It's it's I don't know what Miami was
doing right, Like they're bringing the safety so far down
the box and they still couldn't still weren't pressuring him
or stopping the run, and yet either playing man and
man and Hollywood Brown's running right by them. Lamar Jackson
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has all day to throw, Like I thought that. I
thought that the game plan that everybody else had was
make him throw into zones in the you know, short
underneath routes where he has to be accurate. That that's
not his strength. How much of it was the Dolphins
or a disaster, how much of it is Mark Jackson's
gotten much better? Yeah, I mean, I I think you
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gotta tip your hat to him. You know, he's clearly
a high character, hard working guy who's improved, and he's
in a high level organization that I'm sure during the
off season and during during training camp emphasize of the
right things. But if I'm an NBA player and I
scored thirty points and because eight wide open three, so
twenty four my points, or I score thirty points when
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Clay Thompson's checking me, They're not the same thing. So
if he had done that against Hell, the Bengals, just
any credible team, you know, not the Dolphins who are
legitimately tanking. I think we go whoa this might is?
His kids like gonna win the m v P. I
don't even know what to make of a Doug. I mean,
he hit he hit a guy that was opened by
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twenty twenty yard radius. He hit Mark keethes Brown and
another play that was a quick slant that he took
fifty yards. So the one thing I learned when I
was in the NFL as context is big. It's why
we see so many talented like guys that produced in
the preseason. You're like, oh, that guy had four sacks
in the preseason. He gets cut, well, I because three
of them he was untouched and there wasn't a guy
even blocking him. So if he's able to continue this
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and throw, you know, if he's able to throw touchdowns
in the contested windows because he's gonna have to do
that against the better teams. Then you just got to
be like, this guy's legit. You know, this guy's this
guy took a step. Now, we'll see. I'm hesitant to
say that, though it can't be disputed that he's surely
improved it. He seems like a very likable guy. He's
clearly talented. They have some unique weapons, and he's just
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with an organization that's kind of used to winning. So
they're going to carry themselves like winners. I'm not gonna
just scount them at all. But I don't really know
what to make of the Dolphins game. I mean, I
think it's it's hard to kind of just like, oh,
there's clearly one of the best teams. I don't think
you can do that. I got two more quick ones,
um Saints Rams. You know, they get they get, they
get through that fifteen seconds and it brings up really,
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you know, they got like PTSD from the NFC Championship game.
Now they're facing the Rams. Now they're facing the Rams.
Do you think that's still in the Saints head. I
don't think so, especially with the game being in l A.
I don't think it's gonna be as crazy. I think
the Rams though, I mean one game was the Super Bowl,
but even last week he wasn't that great and their
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running game was solid. I think the Saints, like if
you just watch that game, I mean, they're I just
think they're a better team than the Rams. I'm not sure,
you know the Colosseum and the Rams have some huge
home field advantage. I like the Saints in this game,
not because revenge or any of that bs more just
I just think the Saints are better. I just I
think at the end of the day, there's They're just
slightly better. And I think the Rams are probably not
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quite as good is they have been the last couple
of years. They don't quite have the same players, still talented,
they still got a good coach. I'm not like anti
Jared Goff, but you know, they run the same place
kind of over and over. They run these in breaking routes,
they run the outside zone and when they were coming
like when they were the elite team in the league
midway through last year and the year before, for different periods,
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their best player beside Donalds by a mile was Todd Gurley,
Like he was a dominant force he looks like, come,
Ara meets McCaffrey, meet Seek and he's not that guy anymore.
So if you don't, if you have a guy that
was at ten that's now a seven and a half eight,
that's that's a big deal, especially a guy that you
fed the ball to a lot like that's to me,
that's a that's a huge, huge kind of curveball into
their operation. That that that people want to say. The
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last thing, um, there's just back and forth now between O.
B J and Greg Williams. And Greg Williams smack back
to thing. He's like, hey, don't give me any attention.
He basically said, like, look, he's an attention hound. And
one of the reporters said, well, he's one of the
most talented guys in the league. He said, well, I
did you you saying that the Giants say that right,
basically saying like the Giants thought he was so good,
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then why they trade him. What's your takeaway from this
back and forth? Yeah, I mean these are two guys
who just talk a lot. You know. I don't know,
Odell can say whatever he wants. Greg Williams like I
I watched the Browns game on like Monday, Odell was
pretty good in that game. He was not their problem.
I don't know why if you're the coach. I mean,
O'Dell is probably the most talented player. Why he's even
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bringing it up? I am stand Greg Williams egoes the
side of cap side of California, but just maybe just say,
like I don't even know, no comment or he's a
great player, just say nothing. Why why why even shoot back?
And that's why I think Greg Williams like oh Dale,
we expect him to say dumb things and you know,
Duke stuff like that. But the coach, it's kind of
who Greg Williams is, right, he just can't help himself.
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Remember remember he's offered multiple head coaching jobs and instead
become the defensive coordining of the Cleveland Browns, who had
won one game over two years. Right, especially especially talking
when you just lost your quarterback to Mono and you've
probably got no shot. Why why even do that? I
don't know. The podcast is three out. It's a great one.
Also fall on Facebook. His rants are amazing. John Middlecoff
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great stuff, dude. Be sure to catch live editions So
the Doug Got Leaps Show week days at noon Eastern
three PM Pacific. We're probably the first to get to
this yesterday where Odell Beckham Jr. Said that, you know,
as some of his teammates now we're on the Browns
last year, and that Greig Williams, the defensive coordinators tell
him take dirty shots at him. Uh, this is Greg Williams,
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de coordinator of the Jets. Do they play on Monday night?
Talking about oh b j O'Dell who That was a joke,
that was Jerry. You know, that's just you know, those
are the things. I think there's been several players. I
just found out about it, but we've got several players
that have already come out. And you know that I've
mentioned things about that we don't do that. I've never
(34:22):
done that anywhere I've been. We don't do anything to
hurt the team. It's the number one primary thing. If
you're committing penalties, you're doing those types of stuff. We
just don't do it. And you know, and you guys
are cooperating giving him attention. Just don't give him attention,
you know, And it just is what it is. He's
one of them, he's one of the almost dynamic players
in the league. For him, that's your opinion. He's one
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of what what what's the New York's opinion, the giants opinion?
What did what did the Giants do? So that's not
a question for me. Doug got Liepschell, you're on Fox
Sports Radio. Greg Williams had two trigger points that most
people in the NFL belief. Okay, here's the first. He
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just wants attention. He's screaming for attention. That's it. He
wants attention. And the second part is, if he's so dynamic,
if he's so irreplaceable, if he's so remarkable, why the
Giants came away? Why the Giants came away again? It
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doesn't mean that he's not good, doesn't mean he's not dynamic.
But if he's one of those dynamic players the entire league,
why they give up on him? Had him on a
contract that paid him the bigger to pay him the
signing bonus. I I understand that there is the baggage
and things that he could control them, the things that
we say, and I was I was the first to
point out, and really I was the first point out,
(35:53):
they said in the NFL network at the time, but
they didn't drag it out. I pointed out for two
weeks afterwards, and even in this upcoming off season before
the trade was made, after was made, when he bailed
on an onside kick when they're playing the Chicago Bears
and they're playing well, balls coming at him. His job
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is to just field the kick and he has other
guys there to protect him. When he made his business decision,
they were like, we're done. We're done. Guy says he
wants to win. All you have to do is recover
the onside kick and we win. You don't, someways you say,
it's what you do. So I look at it and
(36:37):
do I think Greg Williams, does that mean? Does that
free Greg Williams up from telling guys to take people out?
Like no, But again, that's his m O. Some of
that is because of what he did when he was
in New Orleans. Some of that is because that's who
he is, and Greg Williams is a trash talker. He
does he says things that are classically untrue in order
(36:58):
to try and fire up his his team. Greg Way,
there's a reason he's been He's coached on half the
teams in the league, right, and that he didn't get
the job last year. Right. I mean, like, look, Greg
Williams is not he Greg orliays, is like the guy
you see in the hallway and you know, but you're
(37:20):
not really like buddies with you, Like it's Jimmy. What
do you tell me about Jimmy? Like I don't know.
I just know it's Jimmy. That's how Greg Williams is
with the truth, that he's seen the truth in the hallway.
Like Greg lays the guy who said, like, man, I've
turned down multiple head coaching jobs, like okay, name one.
You don't turn down the head coaching jobs in the NFL.
There's thirty two jobs. You don't turn them down to
(37:41):
stay a decordinator. Stop it. It's just not true. I mean,
unless you're just dumb. And I don't think he's dumb.
I just think he knows the truth he sees in
the hallway and he chooses to just know Jimmy but
doesn't really know what the truth is. So I'm not
sitting here telling you that Greg Williams is a saint,
(38:02):
or he's the best guy, or he's telling the truth.
But what he is doing is he's pushing the two
buttons of Odell Beckham Jr. And you push somebody's buttons
when you know the triggers, and usually there's a lot
of truth to it. If he's so dynamic, why the
Giants trade him and he's just doing all this for attention.
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Don't give in to it. I'm not gonna do it.
You shouldn't do it. And for oh b J, I
want you to think about this. This is first game
back in New York since being traded Monday night, and
any time we've had these lead up games to these
big games, he's performed pretty well, but he hasn't been
(38:44):
able to maintain his composure. Remember the Josh Norman fight,
I'm the lead up to that. Remember the kicking net thing,
the fake like you're peeing on a cone thing like
They were all discussions during a week bunch of attention
given to him, and it's what he wants, but he
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can't exactly handle it. So man, so I um, I
look at it, and I I'm just blown away, absolutely
(39:28):
blown away by the fact that Greg Williams of all people,
and maybe that's the that's the secret to Greg Williams
is that he can he knows the triggers, he knows
the buttons, and he can push them. Oh b J
coming back into town. First game in Giant Stadium or
it MetLife whatever he used to be Giant Stadium, first
(39:50):
game in that same stadium against a guy who is
a bit of a trash talker, knows that team knows
ob J well, and instead of backing down from the controversy,
he's like, look, basically said, look, he's an attention hound.
Who if he's so good, why the Giants got him?
Why the Giants got him? Loose and trade him? He
knows exactly That's this is the scatter report. Odell Beckham Jr.
(40:15):
Tweak him, tweak him music. Well, well, you look like
you want to get in, couldn't you say? There is
a sort of reverse psychology here that clearly, uh, if
Greg Williams is saying these things about Odell Beckham Jr.
(40:35):
To get into his head, it's because he actually does
know how talented he is and he wants to throw
him off his game, Like isn't that what Brown's players
should be trying to tell Odell, Like come on, man,
don't let this stuff get under your skin. You know. Yeah,
I mean again, but this is the problem with the Browns.
There is no leadership, There is anybody going like, hey, dude,
just let's just go out and win. We didn't play
(40:56):
well last week. Let's go out and play well. Let's
just go bust their ass. They don't have a quarterback,
Levan Bells dinged up. You know, their number one pick
um is a little dinged up. You know, one of
their top watch Quincy new ones done may not play football,
Like we are way better than them. Why, here's one
you ever heard this one? Don't punch down. Don't punch down.
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Don't punch down if you don't punch down, you know,
and by punching down, the Jets are below the Browns
right now, they are. The Jets would be a team
to be lucky, lucky to win a game in the
first six or seven. And you start owing six or seven, like,
you know, seasons complete waste, completely lost. I mean even
(41:47):
when Donald gets back, Like, how many games are they
gonna win? The Browns are team expected to make the playoffs,
some people expecting to compete for the Super Bowl, and
you're worried about you know, you're you're getting into a
back and forth at the defensive coordinator who is clearly
bitter he didn't get the job right. He was in Cleveland,
(42:08):
was doing a good job. The defense wasn't the problem,
per se. He didn't get the job. He got passed
over for a guy that was the running backs coach.
I mean, he's obviously mad about it, and maybe O.
B J is just trying to tweak him. But that's
not your job, dude. Just go and catch touchdown passes.
(42:28):
I mean, look, this is the whole thing with him.
The watch serves no purpose other than to bring attention
for him. The hair serves no purpose than to bring
attention to him. The calling out the defensive court serves
no purpose other than to bring attention to him. And
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Greg Williams knows it and said as much. This is
who the league thinks you are. You just love attention, dude.
You love attention more than you love football. Football brings
the attention, but you love the attention more. And if
you're so good, you're so dynamic, you're so crazy, super talented,
you're a once in a generation player. I mean that
(43:15):
the Giants had Lawrence Tale, they had ever traded him, right.
The Giants are building their new their their new culture
around se Kwon Barkley. That's what they're building around, not
you what does that tell you? Again, it doesn't mean
the Giants are properly evaluating his talent, and doesn't mean
(43:36):
that that Greg Williams isn't taken a little a little
liberty with it, because let's all be honest. Odell Beckham Jr.
Is a supreme talent. But is he that good? I
don't know. I kind of think he was echoing what
he believes other people say.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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