Concern for the sluggish Packers offense? Plus John Elway!

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with tomorrow Night's game is gonna be really interesting. Right.
You have the Green Bay Packers welcoming in the Philadelphia
Eagles and the Packers, Um, they've been fine, right, Like,
I think what happens with the Packers is like somebody
we we maybe we have unrealistic expectations or whatever. Like

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you look at the Green Bay Packers and you're like, all, well,
how are they doing so far this year? It's a
young season with a new head coach. There's three and
now that's three. Now, Um, they've only allowed thirty five
points in three games. When you do the math is good,
they've only scored fifty eight points in three games. Well,
it's not that good. It's not that good. And you

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look at the quality of competition and where the games
have been played. The Bears explainable, right, Bears have a
great defense, it's gonna be hard to score against them,
no matter what. The Minnesota Vikings really good defense, it's
gonna be hard to score against them, no matter what.
Denver Broncos good defense, but you know, not a great offense.
It feels like there should have been a bigger blowout.

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It feels like we're arguing margin of victory because they
were so close to losing to Chicago, and I guess
the saint can be said with Minnesota. So when you're
looking for reaction from a guy like Aaron Rodgers, you're
looking for how is he feeling? What does he think
of what's considered a relatively inept offense in the NFL.

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In total offense than passing and rushing, third down conversion,
which is the most important down league is third down
and their thirtieth and third down conversions averaging five offensive
plays per drive. That's thirty one. That puts a ton
of pressure on your defense. The defense, for their part,
is stepped up. Second points per game lead the NFL,

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and takeaways, which, outside of third down conversion percentages, the
most important defensive stats. They've only allowed two touchdowns and
said six red zone drives against also important, right like
gross stats aren't important anymore. They're just not. It's red
zone efficiency, third down efficiency, turnovers. Either way, They've only

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trailed for six minutes out of a hundred eighty this season.
That's crazy. That that's that's crazy. Um. But but here's which,
here's where it gets super super interesting. Aaron Rodgers said
this about their strong defense in the start of the season, quote,
it's time for us to do our part on offense

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moving forward. We're gonna play a stretch of really good
football teams, and at some point we can't expect our
defense to shut everybody down. They have been, but at
some point the offense is going to have to wake
up and start making plays. And he's calling out his
own offense. I actually think this could be me. I

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think this is the best of all possible scenarios. Now
I'm a silver lining guy. I'm gonna find the positive
and guy, you know, I know that sometimes you listen
to my commentary and you'll think you the guy who
finds negative, but that's not actually true. I find the
positive in this. You know, don Kaper's defense was just
never good enough. It just wasn't a good enough style.

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They didn't have good enough personnel he couldn't carry them.
And Aaron Rodgers had to carry too much of the weight.
And so many of the plays he tried to make
in the offensive backfield that were off script were because
he had to. But like Aaron Rodgers had to make
a couple of miraculous plays per game in order for
the New Green Bay Packers to win big football games.
So far, the opposite appears to be true. Right the

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Vikings feel like a playoff team. The Bears have a
playoff caliber defense. To beat both of those teams to
start the season, those are two good wins. And yet, yeah,
maybe they didn't pummel Lebroncos who actually have good defense,
and they're still figuring some things out. But you can
figure out your offense, it's hard to fix your defense.
It's hard to fix and especially when this is your
first year. And so Aaron Rodgers trying to buy in,

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they're trying to establish a run, they're trying to do
the right thing. Meanwhile, you have a head coach, Matt Lafleur,
who's trying to figure out how to use Aaron Rodgers
use the system that he knows but somehow blended with
and it just hasn't hit yet, can't crazily crazily overreact
to week one. The first four games are still like preseason,

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and the takeaway is, hey, the defense has been pretty
damn good, especially without a true scatter report on what
everybody else is doing. That ain't bad. Ain't bad at all.
They're getting turnovers and stopping you out third down. They
keeping you out of the end zone when they're in
the red in the red zone, let's doing their job.
That's good enough to win a super And we know
Aaron Rodgers is good enough to win a Super with.

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If the defense good enough and Aaron Rodgers good enough,
well damn it, you've got some pieces that eventually we'll
start blending and molding together. So I'll just I'll just
tell you this. I think this is all good stuff.

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I do think the offense is gonna hit. I do
think that it's gonna click. I do think there are
moments of frustration. We've said this before. Change is good,
Transition is hard, and transitioning from hey, I I do
anything I want to do with the line of scrimmage
to you can do what you want within the confine.
What we do that's hard. Changing offensive schemes, hard blocking schemes,

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hard committing truly committing to running the football. These are
all things that will benefit the Packers in the end.
But to start off with your top two divisional foes
and to beat two and oh against them, these are
first world problems that the Green Bay Packers have. And
and it's also and this is a big, big thing,

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big big thing. I'm gonna talk to John lay about this,
but you know the I don't think the Broncos haven't
led very much at all of this year. And while
you want longer and more sustained drives, there's no question
you a longer sustained drives. You want greater excellence. You

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got the best quarterback in the league. You want to
play like it. One quality competition has been prett damn good.
But two, how you play, how much of your your
your playbook you go into you how creative you are,
oftentimes is determined based upon that particular game. Take the
Bears game. They had a lead, They're playing on the

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road against a good defense, like they were relatively conservative
because they knew and like, we just don't screw this
thing up. Mits r Bisky can't score against us, and
they were right when when they took on the Minnesota Vikings,
they knew if you have a lead, you make them
play catch up with a relatively conservative approach, you make

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them make place. And this is no different than how
Tiger Woods has won almost all of his majors. Well,
he's not good coming from behind. It's hard to come
from behind. You have to take chances, you have to
make throws, you gotta trick, create explosive plays and wow people,
because you know what, that opens you up to turnovers, turnovers,

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and the number one determinant who wins and who loses
football games is turnovers more than anything. So they've been
conservative because they've had the lead. They've been up and
down in terms of their effectiveness because well they haven't
done this together for a long time, and while still

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figuring out ultimately, they've ended up with more points than
the opponent all three games which they played. These are
and Aaron Rodgers is not dishing out the blame at
any one other individual or at Matt Lafloory's like, hey,
defense did a great job. Are turning to pick it
up if if he was sitting there going like this
offense ain't gonna work like look, I've been great, but

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the play calling, if he's sitting there gonna I've been good,
but the protection, that's not what he said. It's time
for us to do our part on offense. Moving forward,
We're gonna play a stretch of really good football teams.
At some point, we all of us can't expect our
defense to shut everybody down. They have been, but at
some point the offense is gonna have to wake up

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and start making some place. It's a good commentary for
Aaron Rodgers makes sense, and the Packers, I actually think
are in a really good place making your offense click more,
be more effective against live defense. When you didn't have
any preseason together, that takes time. That that takes, uh,

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continuous reps Alright, that's what it takes, and you haven't
had it until you got in the season and you
jumped in against two of the elite defense, actually three
of the elite talented defenses in the NFL. Like you
can tell me. The Denver's defense isn't as good, but
the same defense coordinator that did a good job against
them nearly beat him once and did beat another time

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when he was in Chicago last year. It so now
he doesn't know what he's going against, so I actually
think this is a good scenario for the Packers instead
of opening up the season scoring fifty a game and
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Doug Got Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. You know, I
saw these these comments that Joe Madden had on the Cubs,

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and I thought they were they were quite telling, you know.
When the Cubs won the World Series a couple of
years ago, I told, I told you guys, you know,
what I had heard was some relatively unflattering, relatively unflattering
things about the Cubs and the way in which those
guys got along or maybe didn't get along, you know.

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And you know what, Look, what I was told was
a they're never gonna win another World Series with never
gonna win another World Series with that group of guys,
just because they're all so young and full of I
don't know, bravado and thoughts that they can you know,

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individually rule the world. That it's just they're they're not
a good group. They're not a team and interating because
baseball is the one sport where you're like, do you
really need to be a team, right, Like, isn't it
about if I go up and I do my job?
But that's that's not actually how it works, Like you
get I think twenty days off the entire year. So

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we'll get into the Cubs upcoming, but it is fascinating
on how a team that won the World Series that
you know, erased all the demon a hundred plus years
of negative history and we're supposed to be the beginning
of a dynasty with all this youth and all this talent,
and here they are, you know, even with the additional
playoff team once again being out of the playoffs. Danny
Canal joins us in the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports.

(13:55):
Right of course, it's got his own show on CBS
Sports dot Com, and saw him on on CBS Sports
Net yesterday discussing all things quarterback in the NFL. Of course,
he played quarterback in the NFL Great quarterback Florida State
as well. Let me ask you about the Green Bay
Packers and Aaron Rodgers, what do you think the biggest
issues are with their offense? So I think sometimes, Doug,

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we take for granted, um that an offense is just
gonna go out there and just gonna start seamlessly coming together. Right,
We've been spoiled. We've seen some offensive geniuses that have
come out there, like Sean McVeigh and all of a
sudden he turns Jared Golf into a superstar. I think
we we have to start re evaluating things and looking
all right, this is a very complex game. It's very

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hard to get everybody on the same page. You've got
a quarterback in Aaron Rodgers who is one of the
smartest high i Q quarterbacks in the game, and I
think Matt la Flour and him are trying to struggle
with feeling each other out right. Where what plays do
you like in search of with in certain situations? What
what what's your favorite go to? And I think Matt
Flour is still feeling his way as a play caller.

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I mean, this is a guy who not that long
ago was coaching quarterbacks. You know, he's still getting used
to this. He was the you know, the passing he
called the plays for the Titan Blast year. They were
twenty nine in the league and most offensive categories, so
didn't exactly have a ton of success there. The good
news for the Packers as their defense is carrying them,
which is something you haven't seen in a while. So
as they figure things out on the offensive side of

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the ball, I think they're going to be set up
for a really nice spot and one of the toughest
divisions in the entire league. Yeah, and they always already
have two wins over two teams in that division, right like,
And I'm in addition to the fact this is basically
kind of what I said verbatim before you joined us.
Was in addition to everything me agreeing with everything you said. Um,
you know, they're also playing with the lead, and when

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you play with the lead, you can be a little
bit more conservative. You don't have to empty the playbook out.
You can make somebody come back and beach. It's kind
of like Tigger Woods with the lead at a major
where you know pars are good enough because everybody else
has to birdie in order to get you up. And
I would say this though, when you look at their
roster of offensive talent outside of Aaron Rodgers, who would

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terrify you? Is there anybody that really scares you offensively?
You know, when you look at their watch receiving corps.
Is there is there somebody the caliber of what you're
seeing some of these other top tier offenses UH put
out there. And I think that answer is pretty much
right there. Dante Adams is not bad uh VW. This
scantling is okay, Like they're pretty good receivers, but they
don't have anybody near the caliber of what Patrick Mahomes

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is working with. Which you combine Patrick mahomes talent with
the skill set that he has around him, then all
of a sudden, that's the perfect storm. But I would
also say that's probably something they're feeling out, is all right,
how do we maximize the talent that we've been given? Yeah,
they have Mercedes Lewis five seven years too late, and
the same say for Jimmy Graham, you know, four or
five years too late, too too late as well, otherwise

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you'd have, you know, if you could mush them together,
the most dynamic pass catching tight end ever. But you can't.
You can't mush you guys. Danny now joining us on
the Dug Outleap Show here on Fox Sports, Trader, you
want to talk about Florida State football. I'm kidding, Hey,
we gotta win. We're not talking about him this week.
I want to talk about comeback win too. I want
to talk a Baker Mayfield. Um, what what is from

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your perspective? What's amiss with their offense? So I think
it's a couple of things. I think it's a combination
of Freddy Kitchens being over his head a little bit.
I think it's a combination of that. Plus Baker Mayfield,
for the first time really in a while, is having
to deal with pressure. And I'm not talking about media pressure.
I'm not talking about pressure from critics. I'm talking about
actual pressure, pressure in his face. On the field. The

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offensive line is struggling. When he was at Oklahoma and
he was lightening up people, he had probably one of
the best offensive line in all of college football. Didn't
get touched that much last year. Towards the end of
the season, when they started getting on their run, He's
taken over. He got hit somewhat, but it wasn't exactly
like they're facing a gauntlet of defenses that should strike
a lot of fear in any quarterback. And then it

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started really with Titans, when he got exposed and he
started getting hit, it started to take its toll, and
that's why it's coming into this year. I was like,
you know what, Baker was awesome as a rookie. Of
the twenty seven touchdowns were incredible, But let's see how
he does and we do this with every quarterback, is
not just the Baker Mayfield. Let's see what type of
adjustments teams make. Let's try to see how does he

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respond if those adjustments start coming his way. What happens
when he when he does get knocked down, He's still
is able to deliver the ball with extreme accuracy when
he sets his back foot in the ground and it's clean.
What I've seen from him is a little bit more
of a jittery nature in the pocket. He's just not
quite as confident that that protection is going to be there.
And once you start getting knocked around the hardest thing

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is to maintain your confidence and maintain your stature in
the pocket. So what I mean is like you're getting
knocked around so much that all of a sudden, you're
starting to hear ghosts and you're starting to think pressure
is coming. So you're just a little bit quicker and
you just you might force the ball a little bit
earlier than you wanted to. And I think that's what's happening.
And then you're seeing Freddie Kitchens who clearly is struggling,

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not only dealing with the media after the game. I mean,
I I give him credit for trying to take the
blame for the play calling at the end of the game,
but he's not doing it with a lot of grace,
and he's not instilling a lot of confidence in people
from the outside that are wondering, all right, what is
going on with this guy at the helm For the
first time, he looks overwhelmed. And then some of the
passes in the route that they're running on, you know,

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pretty obvious passing situations through running three and four verticals
down the field when it's third and ten, and yet
the only an option is either a deep ball, which
the percentage completion isn't very high, or a checkdown that's
not going to get you the first down. I look
at some of these schemes and it's just I'm gon,
let's scratching my head a little bit, saying, where are
these schemes that happened last year? And maybe it's because

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he's trying to keep O'Dell happy, He's trying to keep
Jarvis happy, He's trying to keep a lot of these
offensive weapons happy. He has to go back just drawing
up schemes according to what defenses are dictating and then
letting the ball go wherever it's was to go, as
opposed to trying to keep guys happy. Danny Cannell joining
us on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Fascinating, fascinating.

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All right, what about Carson Wentz. You know, like Carson
Wentz kind of holding the ball a little bit too long,
a little bit indecisive. I know they lost a lot
of a lot of the brain trust going back to
last year. Um, why hasn't Carson Wentz been better? Similar
situation where I think Carson Wentz and I don't think

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he's being on the pressure because he's actually getting a
lot of pressure in his face too. Carson Wentz is
gonna get himself killed. Like, let's just be honest. I mean,
he runs around too much. He tries to make the
hero play, and sometimes he does. When he's playing against
Atlanta in prime time and he's out there, his knees
just about to hit the ground, He's got two Falcon
defenders draped on him, and he makes this unbelievable throw

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and you're like, how the heck did he do that?
That's awesome, but it comes with a big butt. We
were talking about a player who has not He's only
played one season where he played all sixteen games. That
was his rookie year, and that goes back even to
college when he's at North Dakota State. He always struggled
with injuries in some of those spots. So then you
combine that with a player who's doing something so he's

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banged up himself and he started dealing with injuries. When
de Sean Jackson's out Aglas banged up, you just see
more and more guys start to show up. Their offensive
line is struggling, and it looks like the Eagles season
quickly is starting to go in the tank. The good
news is maybe you get some of those guys back healthy.
But ultimately for me, when I watched Carson Wentz, he

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you know, we used to always have his conversation about
Dono mc nab, right, and maybe let's be let's bring
in race a little bit to it was because he
was an African American. Right, He's got to learn how
to play from the pocket. I would look at Carson
Wentz and say, he needs to learn how to do
the exact same thing. He needs to learn how to
protect his body. He needs to learn how to throw
the pocket from the pocket, and he needs to learn
how to throw them all the way like that is

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not an awful situation. It's why Tom Brady is able
to play till he's forty two. It's why Eli Inning
survived as long as he did. How many times him
chuck it and duck? You know, just get out of
the way, protect yourself. You have enough skill to last
another down, but let's make sure you keep your own
body attack so you can make that play. Then next
time it comes around, you don't have to make the

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hero play every single time you have the ball in
your hands. Yep, yep. Danny Canell joining us on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, you offer
you also cover college football. I would point out that
I do think that even though they got whipped by Wisconsin,
had they not fumbled at the five yard line and

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had a clear catch not been overturned, might have been
a different ball game. Right. You get behind four to
Wisconsin at Wisconsin, and yeah, that is a tough way
to live, not just with their defense, with what Jim
Leonards been able to install, but you know their offense
is designed to play from ahead. That said, man, it
it has not looked good. They look like they look like,

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you know, they're trying to run an offense that their
pieces might not fit. And Jim Harbaugh might not be
bought into how fixable or Michigan's issues, Man, Doug, I
think Michigan is a dumpster fire right now. Like if
you were buying or selling stock in Michigan, I would
sell all of it in a hurry, and I don't
even think you would hold it. They Let's see how
this thing goes. I think the season could go off

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the rails a little bit. Um which happens, you know
what happens. It happened to Brian Kelly not that long
ago at Notre Dame. When you're a team that has
four and five star guys and they expect, and there's
preseason expectations to play for the Big Ten championship, all
of a sudden you get knocked out of that, it
could get ugly. I'm curious to see how Michigan fans
and that fan base reacts to a season that it's

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more likely they're gonna be seven and five than it
is they're gonna be eleven and one. It's just it
just looks that way. You are a spot on when
you look at this team. Offensively, they brought in Josh
Gaddis from Alabama, who was the co offensive coordinator who
didn't call the place. So you're dealing with it offensive
coordinator who might have had a system, but he doesn't
really know. He doesn't have a lot of experience calling plays,

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adjusting the defenses, coaching on the fly. And I think
they're getting exposed a little bit offensively. The talent level
with this system, or that I should say the talent
fit for this system looks awkward. Michigan was when Jim
Harbaugh took over, he said, I want to bring what
I brought from Stanford, you know, two tight ends, bringing
a couple backs. We're gonna run the football, we're gonna

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work to play action pass. And it worked somewhat. You know,
they've had some success with the ten win seasons, but
then all of a sudden, they got smoked by Ohio State,
and they're thinking, all right, it's ten. We're watching all
these other offenses put up a lot of points, spread
the field, spread things out, go up tempo. So Jim
Harbaugh makes the call for Josh Gaddis. So now you've
got some of those players that fit better in Jim

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Harbaugh's system when he was running the old school style
than they do now. And that's why you're seeing such
a struggle. I don't think Shaye Patterson is the answer.
I thought he really stuck with him too long in
the Army game. I would have liked to see Dylan
McCaffrey get a chance to start and actually get handed
the reins, but obviously came off the bench and then
got knocked out. Now he's out from you know, maybe

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another week or two. So I think they just have
a lot of problems all over the board. At Michigan.
You were given this scenario. Hey, maybe Wisconsin plays out
a little differently, if there's a turnover here there that
doesn't go against them. What if Army Army had a
turnover they were up fourteen to seven in the fourth
quarter through an interception on the and about the ten
yard line going in. If Army goes up seven, you know,

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you could be looking at Michigan one and two right now. Like,
It's a lot of ways this season could have gone,
and I don't think it gets better anytime soon for
this Michigan team. Fascinating. Um, do we give Notre Dame
credit for a close loss as we sit here today? Yes,
we have to, and the same thing we did with
Oregon when they went to a neutral site and played Auburn.

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I hate it, Doug, like I I hate the fact
that we even have to talk about losses and look
at moral victories. Right. It's just not the way I
was raised. I don't think it was the way you
were raised. But in today's college football landscape, that's what
we have to do. So I think you look at
it from this standpoint. If Georgia continues to be the
best team in the SEC East, which I do think
they are, and they go and they challenge for an

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SEC championship and Notre Dame runs the table. Then yes,
I think that looks like, hey, that was a good loss,
and I want to reward both Notre Dame and Georgia
for scheduling that game. I want to see more of
those I don't know about you, like let's l s
U Texas. Those are those are some of the best
scenes in college football. Enough of these, you know, pan zys,
and let's go out there and play these easy schedules,
these walkovers. Let's reward teams for scheduling tough. So let's

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look at Notre Dame. Then I think Notre Dame needs
to be really, really careful this weekend against Virginia. They
should win it. They're favored by about a touchdown I
think in this game. Um, but they better make sure
that they don't keep beat twice by Georgia. And that's
when I say, yes, that's a good loss. But let's
make sure that's the only thing that we have this
negative on your resume, because Notre Dame now has no

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margin for air. They have to run the table and
they probably need style points. But I would say, most importantly,
make sure they handled their business against Virginia this weekend,
which I think is a very tricky game. They better
not take them lightly, or else Virginia will pull off
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(27:22):
former star quarterback and Florid State in the National Football League.
K great stuff, dude, Thanks for catching up. You're the best.
Always get catching up, man, Have a good one. Pleasure
is all mine. I was talking about the Cubs and
I thought this was kind of a little bit fascinating, Uh,
something that Joe Madden had chanced said, um, and this
goes back, I believe to yesterday. Yesterday Doug gotlip show

(27:46):
here on Fox Sports Radio. Joe Maddens, the manager of
the Cubs. I think for now, right, like it does
in baseball, things don't work out, and we have a
tendency that that's the guy that's easiest to get rid of,
if you want to look at it more deeply. Of course,
they had recent struggles late losing streak, but they weren't
consistently where they need to be during the rest of

(28:07):
the season. It may have to do with behavior before
the game, what you do. I'm not accusing them of
going out at night, because I wish they would. That's
the one part of this game we're missing is that
guys don't go out and have a beer and talk
about stuff that's not being old score and I think
it's just being social. Everybody is more comfortable wanting to
stay in their room and play video games. Part of
it is just not to expose them to social media

(28:28):
or the weirdness of the world outside of their room.
That's just us. I know there are other good teams
that have had great road records at night. I get that,
but every team has a different personality. I love if
our guys interacted a bit more away from the hotel
at night. You know what that feels like? Oh oh,

(28:50):
do you know the other word I'm searching for is
Ryan music? The trigger word that will get America really
upset at me? But where do you think that is?
H I'm gonna go with one that starts with M.
That starts with M. He's managing a bunch of millennials.
They'd rather be on their phone than actually go out

(29:11):
and live life. The Chicago Cubs are stunning thirty one
and forty five on the road, thirty one and forty five.
That's the worst in their division. That honestly is the
worst in the National League, with the exception of Colorado,
who for obvious reasons and Miami for obvious reasons. Right,

(29:32):
and Colorado was built to win at home. They went
forty at home to twenty in the road. But they
have the third worst road record in the National League.
Hack you you know, I mean they're only one game back,
really one game up on Miami for for the worst
road record in in the league. If you go throughout

(29:55):
all of Major League Baseball, only Detroit, Kansas City, and
Baltimore in the American League. So seventh worst road record
in baseball for the Chicago Cups. And what he's saying
it is like, look, we win more on the road
if you guys just go and hang out together. He
didn't say they have bad chemistry, but that's saying they

(30:15):
have bad chemistry. He didn't say, uh, cell phones and
self indulgent things. He said video games. I'm not sure
they're all in the video games. I'm sure there's a
guy or two there into video games that I don't
know if major leaguers are in the video games. Like,
did we really think that John lest is in there

(30:36):
playing video games. Maybe maybe they got the headsets on
and and they're playing video games like I always think,
like video games be better than just being in your
cell phone. What he's saying is, twenty guys, twenty caps.
Our guys don't get along. That if they knew each
other more, they like each other more, they play better together.

(30:56):
That's the only thing. The road is a place to
build bonds. And he's noticed that this team doesn't have bonds,
and he's sitting there and blaming it on the cell
phone and the lack of cohesence. And he might be right,
but what he's saying essentially is we have no chemistry none, zero,
zilp zilch nada. And uh, he's gonna blame it on

(31:22):
video games. That's just an easy, easy culprit. And video
games are you know, stay hanging out in your room
and being the antisocial. Yeah, there is a certain amount
of camaraderie. The Patriots are no longer the favorites to
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what's the game today, Doug? The game today is real
news fake news. That's real news. That is real news
one for one, real news or fake news. Despite a
win over the Jets last week, the Patriots actually saw
the odds get worse for winning Super Bowl fifty four.

(32:27):
That would be real news. They're real and they're spectacular. Yes,
they were thirteen to four favorites, dropping down to a
four to one favorite after their win against the Jets
last week. They when they cut Antonio Brown, I think
that's part of it, right, Yep, Yeah, I think that's
that's really You know, they've had a lot of offensive
line issues, but you know you have Antonio Brown then

(32:50):
you know, Chiefs also had a good win, so maybe
their odds get a little bit better, maybe thinking there
could be some more competition. Possibly, hm, real lose your
fake news. Speaking of the Chiefs, the quarterback Patrick Mahomes
is now even money to be the NFL m v
P according to some odds makers. I'm gonna say that's
real news and their spectac was on fire. One to

(33:14):
one odds for Mahomes according to bet Online. Lamar Jackson
actually the second best odds right now at five to one.
His eyes will not watch the game last week. If
you don't think there's a chasm between the two, you
did not watch that football game. Dak Prescott and Tom
Brady tied for third with odds of seven. It's become

(33:36):
a quarterback awards. It's impossible for anybody else to to win. Yeah,
the the highest non quarterback or the quarterback with the
uh the non quarterback with the best odds is what
I'm trying to say. Both Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey, and
Ezekiel Elliott at sixty six to one, so long shots.
He's saying there's a chance. Yeah, we're saying there's a chance.

(33:57):
Real news are fake news. Through three weeks of the
sea is in the two worst quarterback ratings in the
NFL belonged to Miami Dolphins quarterbacks. Uh, that's a good question.
Worst ratings in the NFL do they have to have
they have to have started there. The question is is
it real that the worst two ratings are actually both

(34:20):
from Dolphins quarterbacks? But are the starters? I guess is
the question? Um, yes, yes, they would have to qualify. Yes,
I would say, yes, they're real and the specter and
I just want to make you just want to make
sure because there are some quarterbacks the terrible ratings. I
don't know if they came in and back up, you know,
I mean sure, yeah, at the uh the pick six
Josh Rosen forty five point three, Ryan Fitzpatrick point zero

(34:46):
and that's not even that dumb, right, Yeah, yeah, I
little thing up. The Beau Stidham is actually lower, Trevor
Simeon is actually slightly higher. So it's Ben rouths for
Baker Mayfields lower to have any point three. Yeah, yeah,
it's not a good start to the year for him.
How about some more NFL numbers, real news and fake news.
Cardinals won receiver Larry Fitzgerald leads the NFL and targets

(35:08):
through three weeks. Targets. Huh uh, let's see here. I'm
gonna say that's because they throw it all the time.
They literally never run the football ever. I know I
don't ever run the football, right, I mean that's that
was that Jordan Palmer joined us yesterday and that's what

(35:28):
he said. Oh man, I'm gonna say that's fake news.
He is on fire, folks four for four, It is
fake news. Larry FitzGeralds actually tied for fifth with thirty
one targets. Christian Kirk also with thirty one, his teammate
in Arizona. But it's Keenan Allen twenty nine catches though

(35:49):
how many tw many targets? Forty two targets so far,
which is ten more than the closest I believe in
Sammy Watkins. Actually, Michael Thomas has thirty three. He knows
who's second in receptions in the NFL. I actually have
it in front of me. So I do music? Do
you know? Do you romas? You know? Because he's nothing

(36:10):
I do not. Yeah, if they get this, yeah, Darren Waller,
do you guys know who Darren Waller is? He wasn't
even on Hard Knock like, I don't Eve remember he
was a little bit. No, he was, wasn't he the
one with the substance abuse? Wasn't okay? Georgia Tech product, Yeah,

(36:33):
uh catches so far as her Yeah, not too bad
on twenty nine targets. That's who knew. Real news are
fake news. Wisconsin and Northwestern will wear uniforms from the
nineties this weekend and their showdown. It sounds like real
news and they're spectacular, Yes, but the eight nineties that's
the that's the catch. Honoring college football's one D and

(36:56):
fifty years. Wisconsin the Northwestern, both under armour schools going
with an eighteen nineties uniform where it says you W
on the front of the Wisconsin uniform, n W on
the front of the Northwestern uniform. Mhm, that's turning back
the clock. Real news are fake news. Finally, Doug going

(37:18):
for the perfect game. Real news are fake news. That
I have the Maple Leafs in first place in the
Atlantic Division through eight games of my NHL twenty season
on PlayStation four, so that real news are fake news.
Mm hmm. Do we have Doug? Yeah, six one and one. Yes,

(37:43):
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After my eight nothing win against the Red Wings, I
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(38:04):
David Wells, I went on, got just hammered last night.
That's why. That's why. And you playing video games instead
of going out in the real world makes you eligible
to be a Chicago Cup. You didn't know that, right,
Like Cubs are looking for a new shortstop, you know,
with all of Addison Russell's problems, maybe like that that
could be you. Uh, let let's tuck some Cleveland Browns

(38:25):
football again. Baker Mayfield answered one of his strongest critics today,
and he has a consistent message and he's sticking to it.
It's what's always worked for Baker and we'll see if
it works in this particular argument. Is Baker right? Is

(38:45):
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At Farmers, we've seen almost everything, so we had to
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with the media yesterday and he was very much on message.
This is Baker Mayfield. He was asked about Rex Ryan's

(39:29):
comments whatever and the wise words of Freddie Kitchens. If
you don't wear orange and brown, you don't matter. And
Rex Ryan doesn't have any colors right now for a reason,
so it's okay. I liked the first part. I didn't
need the second part. He's an and guy now for
the record, I've been an and guy at times on

(39:52):
TV right where gets me into a little bit of
try just sometimes you just talk too long where you
make a point and make a good one, and then
you say and and now you've gone too long, and
maybe you've gone too far, and guy, listen to it
one more time. First one is good. Second one, I
don't think you need it. Whatever and the wise words
of Freddie Kitchens. If you don't wear orange and brown,

(40:14):
you don't matter. And Rex Ryan doesn't have any colors
right now for a reason, so it's okay, yeah, yeah,
Well look, I don't think Rex's tenure in Buffalo would
be deemed a success. I don't um I think that's fair.

(40:35):
I think that Rex Ryan is out of coaching for
a reason. I also think that Rex Ryan could be
a defensive coordinator if he wanted. He has a really
good job working at ESPN. But Rex Ryan took the
New York Jets to two a f C championship games
that did, in fact happen. They did beat the Patriots
in New England in the playoffs like that did in
fact happen. So so the idea that Rex Ryan didn't

(40:59):
know anything and that's why he's out of a job
right now, it's kind of laughable from Baker Mayfield, who
hasn't started a full season the NFL and a head
coach who's you know, three games in is one and
two with what everybody deems to be a what everyone
deems to be a a stellar roster or maybe not steller,

(41:20):
but a talented roster. So here's the thing, and this
is an important thing for you to remember. Like, look,
Baker Mayfield is taking criticism of him as a player,
which is I guess personal, and taking it personally. It's
a really hard thing to do, really are when you're

(41:42):
called overrated as hell, it's really hard to not take
it personally. And this is Baker's The first line is
Baker Playbook one oh one, which is they hate us
because they hate us, right, they hate us because they
ain't us. If you're not in this locker room, you

(42:03):
don't matter, which is great. It's one of the things
that's endeared him to so many teammates along his path
at Tech, at Oklahoma and at Cleveland that he he
has a way of talking trash and uniting a team
and a fan base behind him. But the he's out

(42:24):
a key doesn't have any colors for a reason. Thing
not needed, not needed, right, just not needed, even if
you feel like they're coming at you personally. That's an
unneeded swipe, especially from a guy who has accomplished him

(42:44):
great stuff as a coach. Doesn't make him, doesn't make him.
You know, Vince Lombardi the greatest coach ever. But that's
not act like Rex Ryan is is somehow completely inept
as a coach in every different way in the medium
he works. He's supposed to be opinionated. Sometimes those opinions
can get pushed a little bit over the top. I

(43:06):
do think that Baker Mayfield was held in too high
a regard considering his actual output against good teams last year. Um,
and so if you want that to be overrated? Sure,
do I think he's overrated? As hell? No, because they
don't think most people thought of him as a top
five maybe even a top ten quarterback. Maybe they did,
And if that's what they think, then yeah, he's he's overrated.

(43:28):
And the as hell thing that's just you know, added
spice onto an already spicy take. Is it needed? Probably not?
Is it an end thing? You know, like the he's overrated,
he overrated? Hiss hell is an end? Okay, maybe I'll
go there with you. But I also think it's really

(43:50):
important to point out that this is this is Baker
being Baker and kind of getting himself like, what are
you doing there? Right? Yes, Ryan Music, you had a
question if you're the Browns, whether it's John Dorsey or
if John Dorsey starts getting pressure from Jimmy Haslum because

(44:12):
we know he has a long record of being a
very hands on involved owner. They're at Ravens, at forty
niners and then verse the Seahawks, verse the Patriots all
in their next few games. At what point, whether it's
Freddie Kitchens has to give up play calling? Um, I mean,

(44:34):
I don't know what. Obviously, I don't think that they're
in the business of like benching Baker Mayfield. But a
season that had such high expectations. But if you get
almost halfway through the season and you only have one
to two wins with the with the franchise like Cleveland, Like,
do we think John Dorsey is the type of guy
who will make massive changes or are they finally going

(44:55):
to take a more stable approach and if this year
falls short of expectations, they'll just sort of ride it out.
Let Freddie Kitchens and Baker Mayfield go through some growing pains.
M m um. I don't know, you know, like, listen
to your questions are great questions. I don't know. Like
the knock on the Browns has always been they've been

(45:16):
way too quick to pull the trigger right coaches, quarterbacks, systems,
general managers, whatever. I would tell you that based upon
the power structure, John Dorsey's not going anywhere, and yet
he should hold probably the most accountability because he puts
put this thing together right. But I think he will
be he will be the most safe, and then Baker

(45:40):
Mayfield will be the second most safe. My guess is, uh,
it depends on how bad it goes or if it
goes bad. You know one and two is not terrible,
don't And it's not like their division. Pittsburgh hadn't won
a game, since Nannie hadn't won a game, it's not
I don't think Baltimore is as good as their first
two wins. I think they're fine, I do. I think

(46:02):
they need to fix some things. Yeah, I think Pittsburgh
better they played, sure do. I think since then he's
gonna give them everything they got. They always do it
big rivalry, and I on think Baltimore is a walk
in the park form. But they should win that division still.
So if they win the division, nothing changes. If they
don't win, they if they don't go to the playoffs

(46:23):
and they're decent and they're solid, eventually, I would say
they try and fix the offensive line, fix some of
those broken pieces and maybe bring in another strong voice
on the offensive side of the football. The most interesting
thing coming up will be I think with Baker, we
definitely know that he is a you know, kinna stay

(46:43):
consistent with us against the world, regardless of how The
interesting thing will be is where things went south with
Odell in New York was he started pointing the finger elsewhere, like,
you know, blaming Eli, blaming Oh sorts of other issues,
and because he felt like Eli was blaming him. And

(47:06):
so that's where that whole relationship got fractured. If Baker
Mayfield stays consistent with hey, we don't care about all
the criticism, will O'Dell turned on Baker Mayfield or will
he finally become a different person? And I think that's
where the next situation for the Browns could get ugly,

(47:26):
as if O'Dell starts going rogue like we've seen him
done in the past. I don't think O'Dell's first the
blaming would be uh Baker first. I think it would
be called the play calling, you know, because yes, he's
being double teamed everywhere everywhere he goes, He's you know,
he's being bracket coverage. UM. On the other hand, all

(47:50):
this kind of bracket coverage that they're seeing. There's ways
in which you can still create openings for guys. There's
ways in which you can make everybody else wide open.
If everywhere he goes, you know that they're just their
route combinations aren't great. They're you know, they're not. They're
not all that creative for a guy who hasn't had
the Usually guys that are new, they they try to
be too creative, too cute if anything. UM seeing that

(48:13):
a little bit with with the Cowboys this past weekend
first half, I felt like they were too cute with
their motion, like it's just a lot of you're better
than the Dolphins, stop fulling around it. So I think
the first the initial salvo, if if O'Dell gets a
little ANTSI er bitter would be more at the play
calling first more than Baker would be. My guess, I guess.

(48:36):
And remember Odell did have that outstanding game against the
New York Jets where they let him get loose. You know,
you had the huge catch and run and even his
first game seven catches, they were just not letting him
get deep. So I understand that Baker, you hear criticism
about you, You're called in overrated. You take it very personally.
You react in a personal way, but it's really more

(48:59):
about your play and you have to at some level
be the bigger man. And I don't think it was.
There was nothing wrong with saying hey, just like Freddie
Kitchen said, you know where in Orange brown doesn't matter?
Does But the his opinion doesn't matter because he's not
a coach in the league currently. Not a stronger great argument,

(49:20):
Daniel Jeremiah joins us. It appears Melvin Gordon has headed
back to play for the Chargers. Will this turn around
their season has so far been disappointing? It just one
and two plus we'll get his thoughts on de Shaun Watson,
having seen him up close and personal. Well that dog
hunt long term in Houston this year all that be
Sure to catch live editions of The Doug dot Leap

(49:42):
Show week days at noon Eastern three pm Pacific on
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Move the Sticks. I listened to it. He and Bucky
Brooks do a great job. They had Joel clad on
yesterday's pot. I believe that was the one I listened
to driving home. Uh, just incredibly insightful regards. Nation Football

(50:03):
League also works for the NFL network and you can, um,
you can also also here I'm called Chargers games as
their analysts for the regular seas. Let's start with the Chargers.
They get Melvitt. We we assume Melvin Gordon's gonna show
up at work today or tomorrow, I don't know when
he plays. Is that the cure they needed for what's

(50:23):
ailed this ailing football team? Well, it's it's a piece
of good news. So that's that's a very good thing
for a team that hasn't had much of it in
terms of you know, players that have been injured and
not available, so that I don't think running back has
been their big issue the way that that Eckler and
Justin Jackson have performed, but it is nice to have,
you know, some reinforcements and he'll bring a physical element

(50:45):
to that run game. So that's a that's a nice addition.
But really, this team's gotta clean up the penalties. You've
had four touchdowns called back uh through three games, So
you gotta find a way to clean up the penalties,
and um, you know, you gotta find a way to
play a little bit better on the back to the defense.
So those are the two big areas they got to
focus on. Um okay, uh le, let me ask about

(51:08):
the other side. You saw the Houston Texans play. I
felt like Deshaun Watson was the best player on the
football field, but you gave you you gauge the game
from a completely different perspective. Is that the way it
felt you? And has he taken kind of another step?
He was he was outstanding, you know, and his ability
to extend plays and get just huge explosive chunk plays

(51:33):
in the passing game and just kind of break your will,
you know, defensively because your mistakes are not you know,
ten fifteen yard mistakes. You make a mistake against him,
it's a fifty sixty seventy yard touchdown. So, um, he's
just a very explosive player. I've know, he's talked about
it before. You know, I thought the you know, given
tonsil and putting him up front with that group and

(51:56):
finally putting those two rookies out there with with Titus
Howard and Mac Sharpening, they were better than what they've
been playing with. If they can if they can give
that hit some time give the Shawn Watson some time.
It's the dangerous team. You know, when you get a lead,
you've got you've got what who? Who was there? Really
really good at the second half of that ballgame. Whitney
Merciless is more comfortable now that the clowney has gone
kind of back in a natural position for him. Um,

(52:18):
it's a it's a it's a really dangerous football team. Yeah,
it does feel different. Uh does feel different from Carlos
Hide is gonna join us later on the show. How
did he played this weekend? He? You know, the charters
actually did a pretty good job against Carlos Tide, who
would played great in the first couple of games. I
think that was definitely a focus, um to try and
slow him down. And of course, you know, look, that's

(52:40):
that's what happens when you have you have a lot
of success teams, you're gonna try and take you away.
And then the Texans were able to capitalize on that
with some some huge plays in the passing game. Tone
over three d yards, So even when you don't have
a yard itache. I thought he had an impact on
the game. I thought Lamar Jackson looked like last year's
Lamar Jackson against the Chiefs. I know he had those
two jump balls. They end up making the yards look better.

(53:02):
They stay close to the Kansas City Chiefs. But but
his inaccuracy short underneath stuff kind of reared its head.
It felt like Kansas City is not a great defense
kind of exposed him. Fair unfair critique. Well, I think
some of the misses you saw in that game, I
you know, you saw him in a Week two as well. Um,
you know, when you watch the Arizona game, he has

(53:23):
some some misses that are it's just when you're you're
so accustomed to watching NFL football, you're not used to
see some of those easier throws missed by the margins
with which he might miss some of them. So it's
just it doesn't look good. But he's been able to
overcome that with big plays and and obviously did it
with his arm and his legs week two. It's never
going to be a you know, it's never gonna be

(53:45):
really easy on your eyes with him throwing the ball consistently.
That's just not that's not how he plays the game.
But I do think that that they have a formula
that works against just about anybody in the NFL save
you know, maybe a couple of teams and in the
Chiefs were one of those. They just um they ran
away and hit and with the with that early lead.
I want to ask you about Daniel Jones. I know

(54:06):
you've kind of done a bit of a mad Cooper
right now. I mean, I I look, it was funny
because I think people kind of lump everybody together on
on what opinions were on players. Daniel Jones was my
thirty second player, so I had him as a first
round player. I when he was drafted, I said, the
ceiling for him is Matt Ryan, the floors Ryan Tannehill.

(54:29):
Um you know, if you get him in the right situation,
I think he's got Matt Ryan type of ability. You've
got to develop him. But there's some some some things
really to work with there. And some other people I
know had him considerably lower than that. People talked about
him being a backup quarterback like I, so I I didn't.
I didn't feel like I was all that harsh on
him compared to uh to where other people were. So, um,

(54:49):
you know, I thought it was a great start for him.
Um Man, you look at somebody that that I heard
after the game, Shermer said it. We knew he was smart,
we knew he was tough, and uh, and you just
continue to se him grow and developed. I thought that
the smarts and the toughness were on display in that game.
But he can't. He can't continue to get hit as
much as he got hit by Tampa. So they gotta
they gotta work some things out there. What's wrong with

(55:10):
Baker Mayfield? Well, it's pretty I tweeted it out, Doug.
If you look at the numbers off of run action
versus pure drop back, he's two different players. I think
in that Game of the Night he was seven for
twenty three with no touchdowns and a pick on on
pure dropback. Um, he's a rhythm passer and it's r pos.
Get the blounder hand, quick right to running back, make

(55:33):
a quick, the swift decision and go Um having him
just try and set up with no run fake and
set up in the pocket and and see everything and
deliver throws. That's not that's not him and Uh, I
think they better figure that out. Quicker this season is
gonna get away from him, especially when you look at
the schedule. Do you think he wants more of that
or do you think that's Freddy Kitchens as a kind
of an immature play caller. Well, you know, I don't know.

(55:56):
I would think that. You know, if I'm Baker, you
have some self reless. Should realize what you do well
and what you're comfortable with, um, and not trying to
be something you're not. So you know, I don't know
where that comes from. But collectively they better they better
figure it out because he has not played well at all.
And uh, this is not a team with some of
the other roster holes that can they can win football

(56:17):
games without him playing at a higher level. Why isn't
Carson Wentz playing better? See I I disagree with on
that one, Doug. I think Carson Wentz is playing really well.
I think he's played like M v P caliber level. Well,
it's seven drop balls in that game the other day, Um,
and they look at Atlanta. He had them in that game.
If zac Urge sets up one yard behind the sticks

(56:39):
or catches the catches the ball A gets covered too,
no question, which is a long test. I mean he's
made several of those. So um, I think Urge dropped
a couple of balls in that game. I believe the
total was seven. So, um, I think he's I think
he's the least of their problems. They can't rush the passer, Doug.
That that that's their that's their issue right now. It's

(57:00):
to find a way to get home because, in Jim
Schwartz's defense, if your front four doesn't get home, I mean,
that's the that's the that's a lifeblood of that scheme.
So they don't have the secondary personnel on the outside
of the corner position to hold up if their fronts
not getting home. And uh and right now that hasn't happened.
So that's that's issue number one for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Kyle and goes in lights up the Cardinals. It is

(57:21):
just the Cardinals. It was his first start note book
on him. He was coming back home. There's a lot
of great things to the story. But they have some
weapons now in Carolina. I mean, I you know, I
said it. They might well have the best running, best
overall back in the league. Um. I know some people
are still you know, it's say it's uh, say it's Zeke.
But I mean you could make the case at least

(57:41):
for Christian McCaffrey. Um, you know, d J. Moore is
coming into his own so to his Curtis Samuel, and
of course they have Greg Olsen. I mean, have we
seen the last Maybe if Cam Newton as a starter
in in Carolina, well you know this this whole foot injury,
We'll see how long that keeps him on the shelf.
But I do think you know, if I was in
the Carolina front office, I would be okay with saying,

(58:04):
all right, he Cam, We're gonna give Cam, you know,
four or five weeks uh to rest up and then
we can really evaluate to what we have with Kyle Allen.
I'm with you in terms of the weapons. When you
look at at the speed they have um at the
receiver position, I think they've got some options there. And
then the McCaffrey, you've got a got a Pro Bowl
tight end and Greg Olsen, um, they've they've got some

(58:26):
guys you can get the football too. And I thought
that Kyle Allan and anything, he's special. But what he
did it was just delivered the ball on time and
where it needed to go. But uh, and I want
to see it in another week. Because that Arizona defense,
I think they gave up three eight five h two
uh uh to Matt Stafford. Week one. Then I think,
you know, Lamarch Jackson killed him and put up a

(58:47):
huge numbers, ran for over a hundred twenty yards against
them week two, and now Kyle Allen through four touchdowns.
So I made the comment that if I was gonna
start one NFL game, uh, and the Miami Dolphins weren't available,
the Arizona Cardinals to be my next choice. Who I'd
like to play a gift. Yeah, and and that's who
Baltimore started up against. And I think that kind of
skewed us in our opinion of Lamar Jackson, Uh, Buffalo

(59:09):
Bills three and oh on the year. But we also
had to be reasonable, right And and look at who
they started against, Jets, Giants, Bengals, three of the other
worst teams in the league. How good are they? I
think they have an identity and and that's something a
lot of teams are searching for now. I think their
ceilings maybe a little bit lower. I think you're probably

(59:30):
talking about the high floor low ceiling team, meaning you're
probably looking at anywhere between you know, seven to ten wins.
Because their defense is so good, they're gonna be in
every game. They can run the football, and that includes
Josh Allen being a part of their run game. So
they're gonna be in competitive football games pretty much every Now,
this week's is a tall order with the Patriots, but

(59:52):
most weeks they're going to be in the game. And
so to me, that's enough to get you seven wins. Now,
you find a way to get a bounce here there,
you get ten wins. I don't think they're will be
a huge threat once they you know, if they were
to get to the postseason. But I think that's a
team that you don't that's a difficult matchup for a
lot of people. That defense is really good. It is
really good. It's really really good. And if Josh Allen

(01:00:13):
is not going to throw it into trouble field, run
it instead, you know, I think it. I think it
gives him a I think it gives him a chance.
I think it gives him a legit chance. Uh A
cut more to Dana Jeremiah joining us Move the Sticks
is of course the podcast. Um, there are some that
believe just just pay Doc the money. You know, he
played to the worst defense in the NFL the first

(01:00:34):
two weeks, and then I saw him last week and
I thought Miami played really hard and I thought some
of the old flaws, the the lack of accuracy when
he's reloading and going through his progressions. I thought that
I think the long play works for the Cowboys, might
work for Dak as well, but works out better. Where
do you stand on Dak Prescott. Well, I've had this
conversation with a bunch of buddies and in personnel departments

(01:00:56):
around the league, and we actually all everybody I talked you,
Maybe it's we're just on the same page, we think
the same, but we've all been up the mindset. Sooner
the better. If you're the Cowboys, just get it done,
because no matter what you do, number wise, you're not
gonna like it. You're not. You're gonna feel like you
lost the contract, um, but you're gonna eventually have to

(01:01:17):
do it in the in these contracts, these quarterback numbers
are going up so fast, Doug that even if what
you give him right now, it's a tough pill you
gotta swallow. And then you look back a year of
two years from now, you're gonna see where the market
goes and you're gonna like, Okay, I feel okay about
this um. And whether or not you think Dak Prescott
is a top five, top ten quarterback. Um. To me,

(01:01:37):
the question is, I do the confetti tests? Could you
see the confetti phone? Do they have a team with
him at quarterback where you could vision envision the confetti
phone on top of him and win in a Super Bowl?
And for me, I do I think he's good enough
for what they do? Um that he's that he can
win a championship with him at quarterback. And if that's
the case, you pay him. UM. And You're not gonna
like the number right now, but I promise you will.

(01:01:58):
You'll be okay with it in a couple of years.
All right. What about Trabinsky confetti test? I don't see
the confetti following, but I think they're a really good
team and can play around him. How do you handle
the Trabisky thing? If you're Chicago, That to me is
where I'm waiting. I'm gonna I'm gonna wait. I want
to wait and see more, you know, And uh so
I I'm not I'm not convinced at this point in

(01:02:19):
time that that is uh, that that's the guy going forward.
So I want to wait on that one. The other thing,
at the other point, I'll bring up real quick that
that everybody keeps telling me talking tobuddies around the league
on on the deck thing is, dude, get that thing done,
because if I if I have if I'm a team
and I have a quarterback, I want to get you know,
I want to get him done way before this Mahomes
thing comes in, because once that, once that one comes in,

(01:02:39):
you know, these numbers are gonna be in a whole
different stratosphere. But nobody thinks he's not my Homes. It
doesn't matter if they think he's Mahomes will be the
next one up. And even if you're not gonna get
to the Mahomes number, it's gonna be. It's just gonna
be a president that sits out there and those numbers
continue to climb. So um, it's just everybody's dealing in
one realm right now. And when when Holmes comes in,

(01:03:00):
it's gonna be in such a different planet. And even
if you're you're asking for you know, if you think
Mahomes is an A and my players a CEE, even
the number for the C player is going to go
to the roof Garoppolo your thoughts three games in, I
like Jimmy I'm sticking with him. I know some people
I point to a throw or a decision here there.

(01:03:22):
I hadn't played a ton of football, Um, but I
see him. I still think he's a good fit in
this offense. They win with him. I think the number what,
they're nine and two in games he started. Um, I
think he's gonna be just fine. I think that's a
playoff team. I think that's dangerous team football. They can
run the football, dug, and they can rush the quarterback.

(01:03:45):
And I think that Jimmy Garoppolo is good enough. And uh,
and that's a team I I wouldn't rule them out.
Is winning that division? As crazy as that sounds, I think,
I think they are a very dangerous football team. Yeah.
And and the schedule really early by for them this week,
But then they also get it's Monday night football, so
you get an additional day off getting ready. They'll be
as as healthy as you can possibly be. And then

(01:04:07):
and then of course a quick turnaround they get the
Rams on the road. But then you know there's some
there's some easier games there to come. Uh, in terms
of theirs going to only get healthier, Dude, Nick both
is only gonna get healthier and he is reckoned. Shop
on one leg right now, Crazy stuff DJ, great stuff,
love the pod obviously, Uh wish that you were calling
more wins for the charge you. We'll see if Melvin
Gordon helps in the near future. Thanks for being our guests.

(01:04:31):
You know we try and do once a day here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show is find you a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Trade or Fox
Sports One, and we call it what does the Fox say?
It brought to you by Little Caesar's, where you can
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Caesar's location plus tax were applicable. Here's Nick Wright reacting

(01:04:54):
to Tom Brady being number the number one quarterback over
Pat Mahomes according to Pro Football Focus, and Brady has
been excellent this year. No one should discount what Brady
has done. Number four and rating number seven yards, number
four in touchdown, number five yards per attempt. That's a
really good year. But the only people in the world
who think Tom Brady has played better this year than
Patrick Mahomes is Gazelle Bunchin and the people of Pro

(01:05:17):
Football Focus Brady don't even think it. And the big
thing I read their article where they said the best
thing he has going for him is he has zero
turnover worthy plays. So one of the smart things Pro
Football Focus does is if you throw a pass that
should have been picked and has dropped, that is great
at the same as if it actually has picked. They
basically they grade the process over results. Well, when your

(01:05:40):
defense hasn't allowed a point and you have played the
dregs of the league, of course Tom Brady is not
gonna take no damn chances. Of course Tom Brady is
going to be incredibly cautious with the throws he makes.
That I gave you, Dy Brady was four seven, four
and five in rating, yards, touchdowns, and yards per tempts.
Patrick Mahomes, just for the record, is one one, one

(01:06:02):
and one. He leads the NFL in everything including the
eye test. I agree with Nick's assessment that Pat Mahomes
is a better quarterback now than Tom Brady is, but
based upon their grading system in terms of turnover worthy throws,
he's not. I mean, ultimately that will that will even out.
He also made a great point about and we've talked

(01:06:22):
about this we'll talk about this throughout the show, which is, hey,
you know something that the offense and the defense kind
of worked together. And if they don't, like if you
have a defense is not great, you're gonna have to
take some more chance to put up some more points.
You have a defense that gets you, you have a
lead of defense, and stas people, you can be a
little bit more choosy with who you throw the football too.
So all of that is reasonable discussion. And I don't

(01:06:43):
always agree with pro football focuses grading did nor do
people in the NFL, but their logic here is sound
for the small sample size that we have. They didn't
say Tom Brady has been is the better quarterback. They
said based upon their grading and based upon the chance
up turnovers raw numbers be damn do they have him

(01:07:04):
as the number one quarterback. Doesn't mean that he's the
best quarterback. It just means he's performing the best through
three games, all right. Coming up next, Carlos Hide of
the Texans will join the show. After going crazy first
couple of weeks, he was styming by the charts, but
they won anyway. Um, I want to get his sense
for this team, how they're evolving. What that offensive line

(01:07:26):
looks like now that they've added Laramy Tunsil and Deshaun
Watson a year back after a year back from the
knee surgery. What's Deshaun Watson been like in so many
of these close games like last two weekends. We'll find
out next. Be sure to catch live editions of the
Doug Dot Leaps Show week days at noon Eastern three
pm Pacific. Doug got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio. Man,

(01:07:47):
there's a lot of stuff to get to today. Hunt.
Carlos Hio will be joining us in moments running back
from the Houston Texans did kind of slide off my tongue.
I was very much ready, very much ready to call
him running back for the Cleveland Browns. I don't know
about you guys, Like when when that was? When that
was booked? Ryan, did that come to your mind at all?
And you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, Cleveland? Who better to

(01:08:09):
have the cut way week? Wait, Carlos Hades not on
the Cleveland Browns anymore? Uh? No? I because I specifically
requested him knowing that the Texans had a nice win
over the Chargers. Okay, so you wanted to add insult
to injury knowing that I'm a Charger fans that that
that's correct point. That's the point of the It's kind
of like when you're potty training a dog, just kind
of rub the nose in that type of thing. Appreciate that.

(01:08:33):
Not the first time a dog reference has been used
with me, but that one probably the most painful. Uh.
Carlos averaging four point yards per carries, had uh five
kind of breakout runs and hundred ninety two yards on
this season will get to him in mirror moments. Yeah,

(01:08:53):
I don't think of him as a Cleveland Brown, but
I do think, let we'll have a little bit, a
little bit, right, So there's a little bit there. I
don't think it's I don't think that's that's that that's
not that's being honest. So here's a dude who he
was stifled. You know, he only had only had nineteen
yards against the Chargers. They were loading up against him

(01:09:14):
as he had had such a big impact in the
two previous games, but the Chargers kind of took him away.
Of course, he's also with the Niners. Um has yet
to crack a thousand yards in his season, right, he
got the nine eighty eight yards in two thousand, sixteen
and thirteen games. Will this be the year? Will this

(01:09:36):
be the year? He's the Carlos Hide is one of
those guys where you're like, it's he's like the pro golfer,
right that never wins a tournament. But you looked at
you like, damn he made how much? Like Yeah, it's
not a bad life. It's not a bad life at all.
So we'll catch up with Carlos Hide in uh in
a moment here on the Dug Outlip Show on Fox

(01:09:56):
Sports Tradio, um Jalen rams he was curiously absent. He
was not sick today as he was yesterday. Today it
was it's got a bad back. Take a listen to
his head coach, Doug Maron the doctor was was he good?
Was he all clear? He was sick now from the sickness? Yeah? Yeah?
And then when did the when did the injury pop up?

(01:10:19):
I don't know, I really don't know. I he just
gets tight, you know what I mean? He said, back
got tight. It's normally his back has gotten type before.
My back's tight. A couple of guys backs are tight.
It's like it's a remarkable set, right, Like He's like
I don't know. My back's tight. Your backs tight, everybody's
back is tight. It's like we're all in on this joke,

(01:10:40):
which is not a joke, but it's it's it's a
fascinating exercise where the Jacksonville Jaguars like, yeah, we're we
don't feel like we can get appropriate value for you
in a trade. We hold your rights. You can't go
anywhere you want to miss practice, miss practice. Fine, you
know you come up with this is the the kid
that doesn't want to be in pe getting doctor's notes

(01:11:02):
all the time, Like all right, like at some point
you can have to get a grade, right, at some point?
I don't know, yes, uh, yes, right. So we saw
this in the NBA where they were obviously doing it
for other reasons. Players were sitting out games and resting
part of load management. And then the NBA eventually sort

(01:11:23):
of came out and said, hey, you know, we're gonna
start finding teams if we think you're intentionally sitting players
for reasons other than legitimate injuries and whatnot. So do
you think the NFL is looking at this situation obviously
as a singular problem other than they also had to
deal with the hole Antonio Brown forcing his way out

(01:11:44):
of Pittsburgh and then shutting down the Bills trade and
then everything blew up with the Raiders. Do you think
the NFL is keeping a close eye on these situations
and how they're going to potentially deal with these quote
unquote disgruntled players forcing a way off of teams because
it does create a bit bit of an issue, right,
it feels like it is, But we have had this before.

(01:12:07):
I mean like, look, Eli Manning didn't want to play
for the San Diego Chargers. That was a draft a trade.
John Elway, who's going to join us later on the show,
he didn't want to play for the Colts. Um he
threatened to play baseball and ultimately got to the Denver Broncos.
So we we've seen this before where guys, you know,

(01:12:27):
kind of quit on their team. Randy Moss quit on
the Raiders ends up becoming a Patriot. We have seen
this before, um, and I think there are fewer and
fewer teams maybe that feel like they're gonna do what
the Chargers did. Like, look, we can sit here and say, well,
holding out works. Look at Ezeke Elliott, I don't know,

(01:12:48):
look at Melvin Gordon. It didn't work there. He's already back,
you know, and the guy who broke the stories like, well,
he's gonna become an unrestricted free agent two thousand twenty, Like,
he's not an unrestricted free agent. It it's not how
it works. That that is not that is absolutely not
how it works. He can be franchise tagged by the
by the Chargers, so I mean that's he can think

(01:13:12):
I'm gonna go and play my games and then I'll
be an unrestricted free agent. But the reality is, if
the Chargers want to keep him, he can't go out
and negotiate with anybody else if he's tagged as a
as a franchise tag player. Is the issue that the
Jaguars are dealing with right now is that he's you know,
sort of feigning injury, which is obviously you know back injury.
My back is tight, Like you can't really it's hard

(01:13:33):
to have any sort of definitive proof as to whether
or not your back feels tight, because could the team
try and find him. I mean, obviously, if they find him,
it's just the relationship is done. So is that what
they're trying to avoid? Like, hey, I guess just I
don't know if they're trying to avoid finding him. I
just there are if a guy is legitimately sick, you
can't find him, and if he says he's hurt, like

(01:13:56):
he can't find him. But at some point you could
conduct detrimental or what ever if they think he's faking it.
I think right now they're just trying to get past
show they can win another game, try and negotiate a
long term deal and maybe try and dump up some
interest for him and kind of figured out as they go.
I mean, but the issue there is if he just
doesn't want to be in Jacksonville anymore, like he's just

(01:14:17):
done for whatever reason, whether or not he thinks they're good.
I mean, it doesn't matter how long you try and
work out a long term deal. I mean, obviously, I
think if they were like, hey, we'll give you quarterback money,
then he'd say yes. But if my terms are well,
there's nothing you could pay me to stay in Jacksonville,
then ultimately this is just going to drag on through

(01:14:38):
as the season continues. It could, uh, it could, but look,
once you get past the trade deadline, it doesn't matter,
or we can't trade you, so that you know it's
not gonna drag on forever. And the trade deadline is
early in football. I'm gonna say week six, is that right?
I think it's like week six, so we're almost there.
And I kind of think that's what they're you know,

(01:14:59):
deadlines bring deals and they'll see if there's somebody who's
desperate to want to overpay. With the Jalen Ramsey, the
owner wants to keep him. They won really without him
playing in a percent last week in terms of his
effort intensity. And I think they go to Denver this
week like that's a winnable game for them, Like, let's
see what they have. Remember they're playing without their quarterback
right now, just trying to get through. And that was
the first time we've seen the old Saxonville defense really

(01:15:20):
get to the quarterback and wreck havoc against the Tennessee Titans.
That's a winnable division or a division which they can
win a lot of games in. I just I don't
feel like the Jaguars are rushed in any way. Um,
they don't want to make a mockery of it, but
they kind of want to make a mockery of him,
and I think that's what was accomplished to Doug Burrown's
press conference right where he sits there and goes like, yeah,

(01:15:41):
my back hurts, Your back hurts. Everybody's back hurts. Um. Yeah,
that's that's the that's the deal. Oh, it's a it's a.
It is a weird weird world we live in. You know,
it's a very weird, weird, weird world where a guy says,
I want to get paid and I want a chance
to win. But yeah, your chance of getting paid in

(01:16:03):
your chance of winning improved if you just stay, if
if you just stay. I know he thinks he's not
being used the right way? Are we should have Carlos
Hide up Coming next, we'll get his thoughts on his
new team, the Texans, on his new role when the
mar Miller got hurt, all of a sudden, he became
the guy. Also, why both the Cowboys and Dak pres

(01:16:26):
Scott are good right now and why they don't need
to link up to a long term contract extension. I'll
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So um Daniel Jeremiah joined this last hour. He used

(01:17:09):
to be in the front office with the Baltimore Ravens.
Now He's has a He's a media superstar with a
meteorc rise and h d DJ is a fascinating guy.
You know move the sticks as the podcast. Of course
he breaks down the Charger game when their radio network.
You see him on the NFL network and he said,
like all of his guys are like, look, cowboys should
just get it done. Get it done. You're not really

(01:17:29):
gonna be happy with the number, but once the Pat
Mahomes number comes in, you'll be fine with it. I'm
talking about Dak Prescott's contract. Well, Stephen Jones was asked
about Dak Prescott's Dak Prescott's contract and he says, now
it it doesn't really do any good to comment about
these negotiations. This is on a Dallas radio station. Everybody

(01:17:54):
knows who want to make a deal. I know Dak
wants to make a deal. Uh, there's just things that
have to be worked out when you have a contract
of this magnitude. I just don't have any feel for
when it's going to happen. I just know that we're
committed to trying to make it happen, and I know
Dak wants to h all right, so there you go,

(01:18:17):
a pretty innocuous we're gonna get this done. We want
to get this done. He wants to get this done.
We're negotiating good faith. We just haven't gotten it done yet.
Completely reasonable in every way, completely reasonable. Um, but I
actually think this feels. This feels, and I'm sure Ryan

(01:18:39):
Music you can appreciate this. When you ask somebody to
marry you, you'll always get the question when's the date?
You know, it's like, look, we're gonna get married, Like,
no, no no, when's the date. I don't understand that the
threshold you think we crossed over once I told you
that I wanted to marry you, spend the rest of
my life with you, like with her, like I don't do.

(01:19:00):
We need to set a date at that moment. The
same comes when you get married, when the kids coming
right If your parents will say that to you, they
may not say it right away, they may hint around it,
but the truth is that the second you get married,
they're gonna start properly had kids. Why because they like grandkids.
They may not love that it makes them feel older,
but they love the idea of grand kids that can

(01:19:21):
play with. It's like going over to play with a puppy.
You're not to worry about what they poop on the rug.
It's still a puppy. Puppy love grandkids, same thing. Oh man,
they're awesome. Then I get to go home and sleep
and they don't. Parents don't. We always rushed the next thing.
If you're the Cowboys, you're sitting there, go on, like,
wait a second. We play the Giants, the Redskins, and

(01:19:42):
the Dolphins, three the worst defenses in the NFL. Let's
let this thing breathe a little bit. Let's come back
to the table. Once he has a he's gonna have
a game or two which you're not spectacular. The Dolphins
game wasn't spectacular for Dax. You know Dak's people that
they play the long game prices are continuing to go up. Remember,

(01:20:02):
the Cowboys still have the ability to franchise taging. That
is still in their back pocket. They can do it
for two years. They're fine. They still have a little
bit of hand in this relationship. They don't want to,
but they can. It's it's it's just like, you know,
just because she wants to set a date doesn't mean

(01:20:24):
you have to agree. Yeah, it's just not a good
summer for me. Place you want to get married not available.
You gotta go two years out like you just don't
have to. So we operate in this in this understanding though,
Oh you have to. You have to have to like
it will get done. He's not going anywhere. He can
be franchise tag for two even three years, and that

(01:20:44):
would be reasonable in comparison to what he probably should
be making. He's asking for too much and they're probably
pretty close to the number of which they want to
go to and they do and getting it done really
does give them cost certainty for the future. But that's
not gonna sit on his team and bail on his team.
That's not gonna happen. He's also not gonna play at
this level. The entire season. That's not gonna happen. And

(01:21:06):
so the reality of it is, if you're the Cowboys,
you shouldn't necessarily feel rushed. Don't negotiate for a position
of weakness, negotiating from a position of strength. That's what
they should have tell with Zeke Elliott, right, you see
him Tony Pollard at what hundred six yards carrying the ball,
Zeke who now zeked over a hundred as well as

(01:21:27):
they got super conservative and just ran the football in
the second half. But the fact is that Tony Pollard
has been fine and they didn't need Ezekiel in the
first three games. We told you they didn't need him,
and they knew they didn't need him, but they're like, yeah,
we kind of built this whole thing around him. Okay, okay,
So you know Doc has been underpaid and you like

(01:21:47):
him and he's grown into be your quarterback. All that's fine.
But but these these people are like, just spend the money.
You're not going to be happy. That's the buying the
house at the top of the market. Because us it's
a great neighborhood. It's always gonna go up, always ybe
close to the beach. This is great you got, like, yeah,
but at the end of the day, it's my money.

(01:22:08):
I don't want to overpay for it, like that's a
that's a monthly nut, that's hard to cover. It just
is so I'm not spending Jerry Jones money before Jerry
Jones wants to spend Jerry Jones money. You know, they
seem to know what where they want to be, and
I kind of agree with them. And the Cowboys are
a team who start off with among the softest schedules

(01:22:31):
in the NFL. And let's see, let's see what happens
in New Orleans. Let's let's see what happens with with
with Green Bay. Heck, let's see what happens on the
road against the Jets at home against the Eagles. You
got a bye week. If he's playing great through seven weeks,
give him the money, but you might be able to
give them a little bit less. Yes, rhyme music. Do

(01:22:53):
you think at this point Dak Prescott is sitting there
probably with the negotiations of like, look, I should get
more than golf, And then what the Cowboys are feeling
comfortable with is I'm just gonna we can just sit
back and wait because whatever Pat Mahomes ends up getting
we know we can come in under that, and then

(01:23:14):
from that perspective, they're both just like, all right, you
know what, we're actually good with that whole situation. Like
like they both know exactly where they're trying to get
and they're very close, but they're just not trying to
force it right now because they're both waiting for the
other person to flinch first. Yeah, I mean, like, look,
look at the back end of their schedule here, Okay,

(01:23:35):
after they play the Giants, after the by Vikings, hard game,
Detroit Lions. I think that'll be a hard game. They
had a very good secondary, Patriots on the road, Buffalo
at home another those are hard games at Chicago, Rams
at home at Philadelphia before you get the Redskins week seventeen,
might not have to play so um. My point is,
like I think that he wants more than once. He

(01:23:58):
might want more than golf in his age, gonna say,
let's get more than golf. This is about an agent thing.
And if I'm the Cowboys, I'm like, look, I'm gonna
stay where I am and like, let's just table this
thing till the end of the season. We're we're we're good.
We're fine. This is working for us. You know what
our last offers, We know what your last desire was.
You know, let's let's talk some more, see how this

(01:24:18):
thing plays out. You're under no rush. If you're the Cowboys,
none zero. Why would you give them the contract of
the three easiest games of the year. You wouldn't. The
back end of their schedule is very, very difficult. And
that's the wind for me. Now the wind for Doc
is Hey, man, the longer you wait, closer we get

(01:24:41):
to to Mahome's new deal coming in. Mahome's new deal
comes in, drives up everybody's average. You'll drive up the
franchise tag and drive up everything you might want to.
Just wait, wait that thing out makes sense. I think
it does. I think it does. Um, all right, let's

(01:25:01):
let's let's stay with the quarterback discussion. It's really hard
to find. One of the reasons he has such value
is hard to find. Those guys they did get Tony
Romo is an undrafted guy, and he became their franchise quarterback.
Now in the fourth round they get and and you know, look,
if you want to make it up in your mind, hey,
we underpaid him for the first three years or four
years of his career. That that Dak Prescott. We can
over pay him now, that's fine. It just hurts you

(01:25:23):
to put a team around him. Um, nobody knows more
about trying to build a team around a quarterback. Within
John Elway, he had different teams built around him when
he's a player, from early on when he carried the
Broncos to late in his career when the Broncos carried
him a little bit more to as the president of
the Broncos. First they built it around Um, around Payton

(01:25:46):
Manning fifty touchdown passes. Then they had to make it
a round defense and try to run the football. As
Peyton's skill set faded and they've frankly struggled to find
a replacement for Payton Manning. We'll get John Elway's thoughts
on Joe Flacco. How has Flacco played, how is the
defense played? How hard is it to evaluate the position
he played? We'll discuss next. Be sure to catch live

(01:26:08):
editions of the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon
Eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. Stuck Out Leap Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Man what an honor it is and
what a perfect time it is to have our next
guest on. Of course, he won two Super Bowls. He's
a Pro Football Hall of Famer. He also has uh
as a as the leader of the front office of

(01:26:29):
Denver Broncos led them to a Super Bowl in in
that capacity, he's the one and only John Elway and
he joins us on Fox Sports Radio. John, how are
you doing great? Um? Okay, so help me out with
this uh Duprens contractor? What is contractors? Contractor's a hand

(01:26:49):
disease um that I was diagnosed with about fifteen years ago.
And it's worth they you know, your fingers get pulled
down towards your palm and you can't lay your hands
flat on a on a table, and so it's a
it's a condition that sixteen million people have Americans have
that we're just you know, raising the awareness on it

(01:27:09):
and people can go to facts on hand dot com
to to learn more about exactly what do Patrens is
and and see if it's a condition they think they
may have. Did you get it from playing football? Is
it hereditary? Is it something you ate you travel? You
know what that's They don't know exactly. I think part
of its hereditary, but they don't don't know exactly how

(01:27:32):
you develop it. But I did not have it when
I played, and I don't think that my career led
to it either, So but anyway, it's just something that
they don't know exactly where it comes from. But obviously
it's someone that's a fairly normal condition that people don't
know about. So that's why we're trying to raise the awareness.
All right, give me your perspective on your Broncos season

(01:27:54):
thus far. You know, obviously it's a disappointing start. We
thought that we'd come out of the gate a little
bit better. But I think we're still encouraged with you know,
what we've seen. We've done a lot of good things,
we have not done enough good things and so therefore,
you know, I haven't been able to make enough plays
to uh to win a game yet, but hopefully, you know,
we've got thirteen games left. We still believe in what

(01:28:15):
we have and believe that we can play better than
we haven't can win football game. So obviously we've done
it ourselves as a hole, and it's going to take
it one play and one practice in one game to
get out of this hole. But to believe that we
still have the the people and the staff to be
able to get out of that hole. Okay, let's look,
I mean the most pressing question that you're always asked

(01:28:35):
as the quarterback position. You've tried to fix this, you
know since since Peyton retired, uh several times over having
and you watch obviously the sport way different than any
of us. Uh, you know, fans can can watch the sport.
What's your give me your honest perspective on how Joe's
been playing. You know, I think he's done a nice job.
I think that you know, we're better at that position.

(01:28:57):
It's a new system for him, and I think that
we know we're still adjusting risk. Gangarrilla is our offensive coordinator,
is the first time offensive coordinator in the NFL, and
so I think him and Joe are getting used to
each other and as enriched as the plate caller understanding
what Joe likes and what Joe does best. And so
I think there's been a lot of good things that
have that have gone on so far. We still haven't

(01:29:19):
obviously done it good enough, but we're hoping that uh,
you know, that can continue to get better and better.
We can't turn the ball over like we did last
week three times against against both or Green Bay. So, um,
you know were I still feel good about it still,
you know, feel that we can dig ourselves out of
this whole and really be competitive. What's your level of patients? Uh,

(01:29:42):
you know what at this point now, it's a lot.
I think that uh, you know, with the transition with
Vic Fangio coming in and uh, you know, with what
he does on the defensive side. Obviously we don't have
a sack or turn over the first three weeks, and
so we've got to get that turned around. But we
also have to come out of the the shoot better and
and try to play with the lead. We've been playing

(01:30:02):
from behind, which makes it that much more difficult on
the defense. You mentioned not having a sack, not having
a turnover, and of course that's what his teams were
known for throughout his career. Of course, most recently with
the Chicago Bears. You have given him, uh, some amazing
personnel to work with. Why do you I mean obviously
like the Raiders, they were just getting rid of the
ball so quickly that it didn't really mean you couldn't

(01:30:24):
get home anyway. That was that that Why though, do
you think that those numbers have been as they are?
You know, I really believe that it's because of the
fact that we've been playing from behind, and I think
the offenses have done a nice job of not, uh,
you know, being very conservative and not giving us opportunities
and making us on the offensive side, you know, go
eight yard because they haven't turned the ball over and so, um,

(01:30:48):
I think we're seeing conservative offenses because we're playing catchup,
and so I think, you know, for us to change
that around a little bit, we've got to get people
chasing us, and that'll be able to open the other
people have to open it up a little bit more
the offensive side, which you'll give our pass pressures an
opportunity to get there. You know, I do want to
turn this selfishly towards you. It's it's interesting on how

(01:31:09):
many how many people are talking about different quarterbacks in
the NFL and how they're changing the position. I I
remember when when you when you're like, look, I grew
up in southern California when you first came into the league.
These are the things that you were doing right. You
were a mobile quarterback that could make every throw and
did things that and and frankly the first two Super Bowls,

(01:31:31):
I think you guys overachievet because of some of your
heroics in those a f C championship games. Obviously some
things that go bump in the night. How how do
you kind of reflect on your importance on the game
when you're seeing some of the mahomes Is of the
world that Deshaun Watson's what guys who are mobile, but
no says you know, he's mobile. He's a lot like
John Elway. You actually it's weird. You don't hear that,

(01:31:54):
all right? And I you know, yeah, you know. But
I just think when you look at the athletes what
we're doing, you know, what people are doing offensively now
really spreading the field, and it's really starting in college
because of the fact of the athletes and and coaches
getting their athletes in space to where they can get
them the ball and let them do what they can
do in space. And so I think it's just kind
of where the game was going. And like you said,

(01:32:16):
you know, uh, my career, we moved around quite a
bit and tried to avoid sacks. And I think when
you look at the success of the people that are
having a lot of success on the offensive side. They've
got those mobile quarterbacks that can move around because people
are so good on the defensive society athletes are getting
so good to where the rushing the pass and putting
pressure on the pass or is is a priority. And

(01:32:37):
so to be able to move, move around and avoid
a little bit, you know, it's always a big help.
You know. It's interesting. A lot of people point to
you having Peyton, of course when you played, and you
look at Brady and all the Super Bowls, that you
have to have a superstar quarterback to win a Super Bowl.
I look at it and I said, look, when you

(01:32:57):
had Peyton, he wasn't he wasn't the pit the fifth
to touchdown Peyton, right, he was, he was. It was
the defense, it was the special teams, it was the
running game. And you know what he had above the neck.
I mean, you look at you know, Trent Dilfer when
he won a Super Bowl. You look at Rex Grossman
when he got to We've we've There is an assumption
that you have to have the best of the best
in order to win big, but that really isn't the case.

(01:33:20):
I mean, look, you have to have the entire team
and have it worked together. How how can you smartly
build the Broncos back into a Super Bowl contender and
not solely focused on the quarterback position. Well, you know what,
I what I believe is that I believe the rest
of the team has to believe in that quarterback, whoever
that may be, and believe in that position. But you're
you're dead right if you look at that, and that

(01:33:42):
position alone is not going to win you a Super Bowl.
You still have to have a good football team around it.
M you have to have an offensive line to protect
the quarterback, and you also, to my mind, you still
have to be able to run the ball and play
good defense. And so you know, obviously that is a
focal point, but you still have to be really good
around But to win a world championship, and and you know,

(01:34:03):
I still believe too that you know, a quarterback to
win the Super Bowl, you have to win it from
within the pocket. You gotta be able to sit in
there and throw it and win it from the pocket
because people are too good on the defensive side to
allow you to run around and get out and make
all the players outside the pocket. So, um, you know,
I think that it's you know, that that position is important,
but you still have to be really good around him

(01:34:24):
to be able to win a world championship. All Right,
you have Jacksonville at home, then you then you come
to l A and take on the Chargers, then Tennessee
before you get Kansas City at home. So so games
which you feel like you can't compete in, and as
you said, it is kind of a one game at
a time. The Chicago game was one of the craziest
endings ever. You're a drop pass away from from winning.

(01:34:47):
You know, the Raiders game, you guys have been have
been close, have been competitive. How important is this game
against Jacksonville. Well, it's very important. And obviously we're coming
back home and and you know, we've dug ourselves a
little bit, like said, we've you know, we've some of
the things that we could control, you know, especially the
Radar game, we we didn't. And and you know, even

(01:35:07):
with the Chicago game, we got to be able to
overcome that. Those things are going to happen, and you've
gotta be able to come overcome that. So you know,
it's very important. Jacks feels coming back. We're playing in Denver,
and I think you know, we have to just play
the best football. We can't stop beating ourselves and can't
turn the football over and really try to make some
big plays. And we haven't made any big plays just yet.
So if we can make some big plays and and uh,

(01:35:30):
you know, get out to lead and get some people
open it up a little bit on the other side,
then you know a lot of defense and the pass
users to get there. But you know, it's a it's
a really important game for us. We can't really dig
ourselves any in any deeper and and you know, with
this stretch we have coming up, we have a chance
to if we play like we're capable of to get
back in the hunt, especially last year. Chargers a team

(01:35:52):
you beat on the road Tennessee, a team struggling in
their own right and being your your building. But you
can't get there without without getting to you gotta get
to one in three. First, we started by talking about
Upetren's Dupatren's contractor where where can someone learn more about it? Well,
you can go to facts on hand dot com and
that really explains exactly what Dupatrens dan. And then if
something that you believe you may have in this condition,

(01:36:13):
you know the next step would be to talk to
a hand special list and and have them giving you
your your treatment options. John, thanks so much for your time.
Best a luck this weekend against Jacksonville and hope to
catch up in the very near future. Thank you very much,
thanks for having me pleasures mind. That's the legendary quarterback
of the Denver Broncos, now president of the Broncos, John Elway.
We heard John Elway talk about some interesting things about

(01:36:35):
playing from behind, right, that's what we said about playing
from behind. It reminds somebody said about the Packers earlier
in the show, Okay, is that Look, the Broncos have
been behind in every game and that makes it very difficult,
you know, for your for your plague changes dramatically your
play calling. The Packers they've only trailed six minutes so

(01:36:56):
far this year. So yes, their average offensive place per
drive is only five that subparts one in the NFL,
they're only twenty five. They've only completed only converted time
on third down. That's in the league league and told offense.
Yet there here they are three and oh against three

(01:37:16):
really good defenses. How defense, second points per game lead
the NFL, and takeaways they're great. Red zone defense only
allowed two touchdowns and they've they've trailing six minutes, so
they've a lot been allowed to be a little bit conservative,
not taken as many chances. Here's Aaron Rodgers talking about
the strength of their defense so far this season. Goods
time for us to do our part on offense moving forward.

(01:37:36):
We're gonna play some you know, struts of of really
good football teams, and at some point we can't expect
our defense to shut everybody down. They have been, but
at some point the offense are gonna have to wake
up and uh and start making some place. But that's
calling his offense down and pointing out the strength of
their defense and what a great job they've done, telling
me to do it is to do we have to

(01:37:58):
be better, and we meeting our side of the room.
And look, it's obvious with the numbers that he's right,
and I'm sure he's a little bit frustrated, but I
actually think that this invigorates him. You know, I had
a there's a there's a humble brag coming here. I
just want to point this one out. I remember at

(01:38:19):
I'm trying to think that I think it was the
Super Bowl in Dallas, not the Final four in Dallas
might have been the final four in Dallas. I was
hanging out with Telling Romo and he was like, look,
this is before he's a broadcast. He's like, look, just
go back in do your research. All of us quarterbacks,
even the good ones, gotta have a top ten defense.
Can't do without a top ten defense. He's like this,

(01:38:40):
this will sound like me standing up for me, but
it's it's me standing up for everybody. And actually, here's
the here's the here's the whole story. So my daughter was, man,
how old was she. She's probably in fifth grade, and
she had to do a Mexican American hero and and

(01:39:01):
from the time she was really little this actually might
have been third grade, third grade, I think times she's
really little. She always liked Tony Romo. Now, one of
the differences in TV networks is one a Fox has
always wanted to get the human side of all these athletes.
So when Tony Romo playing on Fox, Droigman calling the games,

(01:39:22):
Joe buck Uh would go and sit down the sidelines.
They'd always do close ups of Tony Romo. They do
a lot of close ups on Fox. See Major League Baseball.
I think it works well there too. It's always been
part of the Fox broadcast. So I remember she woke
up from a nap, she was really young. She came downstairs.
I was watching football in the basement. This is I
lived in Connecticut. Great basements there. She's like, who's that boy, daddy,

(01:39:47):
And I was like, that's Tony, that's Tony Romo. Who's
Tony Romo? Is like he's quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.
Like I like Tony Romo. And I have pictures of
her in a little Tony Romo jersey and playing catchy
and she became the biggest Tony Romo fans. So we
lived in southern California and for Famous Mexican Americans Mexican
American History Month, she did a report on Tony Romo

(01:40:08):
and some of the boys in her class, like Donny
ram was at choker. He's not any good, you know.
It was like third grade little boys, you want to
just punch in the mouth, talking trash to your daughter
and uh so I I loaded her with weaponry. I
was like, did you know make sure that she knew
when she gave her presentation and turning Roma the best
QBR of any quarterback in the League in the fourth
quarter in the history of the sport. You know, we

(01:40:30):
went through like all the different things. So I run it.
Who do I run into it at House of Blues
and I think, I think, you well, I don't think.
I don't know if it was the Super Bowl. I
think it was the Final Four because Wisconsin was in
the final four there. You know, he's a big wisconsin
from from the state. He's from Illinois, I think. But anyway,
we went to school in Illinois from Wisconsin. You get

(01:40:50):
the point. So I'm I'm there with Tony and I
was like, dude, you gotta hear the story. So I
told him the story and he's dying and he goes
QBR all this other crap like it done ant, Like,
if you don't have a top ten defense, you're not
going to a Super Bowl, you're not going to the
championship game. And I kind of think that's the thing
that that Aaron Rodgers knows. Like has he been frustrated

(01:41:14):
with the play calling. Yeah, I'm sure the offense got
lah but more than anything, like even when he was
spectacular for a long time, they couldn't stop anybody. Now
he's gotta be super charged by this like, look, I
ain't even playing good. We're not even clicking yet. Like
this new offense, the whole thing, it's been weird, will
be okay eventually, but the defense has been great. They

(01:41:36):
want us these three games, and I think that will
energize Aaron Rodgers to go to work, which is really
kind of all you can hope for at this stage
of his career, right, which is like, hey, you want
to be energized to go to work. So you know,
maybe I have a skewed view of it, but I

(01:41:57):
view this as the Packers, this being a good thing
for the Ackers Aaron Rodgers, right, The offense has to
pick it up, but they will, Like we we talked
about Mr Drobiski, where we think Trabisky is good enough.
We know Aaron Rodgers is spectacular. It's a question of
balancing out the spectacular things he's done off script and

(01:42:19):
getting him to work on script and then freeing him
up so that occasionally he can break free and be
Aaron Rodgers, be Aaron Rodgers amazing time, right, all right,
still a lot to get to here. On the Doug
Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, what in the world
was going on with Jalen Ramsey and the Jags. We'll
discuss that. Plus wait here with Joe Madden had to

(01:42:41):
say about why his Cubs stink on the road. That's next.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Dot
Leap Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. I'll
get to this before we get to Dan Buyer. Have
you seen have you seen these uh these comments um
made by uh, made by the manager Joe Madden of

(01:43:06):
the Chicago Cubs. So, like, why do the Cubs? Why
were the Cubs bad this year? They had the third
worst road record in the National League. I mean just
truly atrocious on the road. Now, you could say, hey,
the Friday light confines I like playing day games at
Wrigley maybe, or maybe there's more to it than that.

(01:43:28):
Think about the Chicago Cubs right now. They're at eighty
two and seventy five, fifty one and thirty at home.
That's the best record in their division by two games,
but thirty one and forty five, thirty one and forty
five on the road, And that is why they're on
the outside looking in the playoffs, right and just yeah,
I mean absolutely atrocious on the road. What's the reason

(01:43:50):
behind it. Here's Joe Madden. If you want to look
more more at it more deeply, it may have to
do with behavior before the game, what you do. I'm
not accusing them going out at night because I wish
they would. That's one of the part of part of
this game we're missing is that guys don't go out
and have a beer and talk about stuff that's not
being old score anything that's just being social. Everybody's more

(01:44:11):
comfortable one to stay in their room and play video games.
Part of it is not to expose them to social
media and the weirdness of the world outside of their room.
That's just us. I know there are other good teams
that have great road records at night. I get that
Joe Madden is blaming video games, right like I think
it's okay to blame video games for howard kind of

(01:44:34):
numbed to violence in our culture. I just do. Like
I I don't. I don't think that's the singular cause
for our culture in the United States being violent. But
I do think when you're when you you grew up
and you grew up playing video games where you shoot
other people you know, and now it's with these games

(01:44:56):
which you're you know, you're on a headset and you're
shooting other people that you're talking to, or you're working
with somebody to shoot somebody else. Like it just it
normalizes behavior that's not normal, that's not so. I'm okay
with some blame of some of the ills of society.
I think the video game thing is a nice way
of saying, Hey, all these dudes do is sit on
their phone, sit on social media and Twitter, you know,

(01:45:19):
and they don't talk to anybody anymore. I had a
basketball back college basketball coach say, hey, our team, you
know what I should do. Put five cell phones on
the bench when they sit down during a time out.
They would text each other more than they talk to
each other. He's also pointing out that they have bad chemistry,
and there are some there's some talk that theo Epstein
could leave the Cubs and return to the Red Sox,

(01:45:41):
who just fired Dave Dombrowski with that? Would that be amazing?
Let's get to the press, r. What do you got? Dan?
Also some angels rumors. Ken Rosenthal of the MLB on
Fox and the Athletics saying that if Madden left the
Cubs this after the season, the Angels would consider removing

(01:46:02):
Brad awesomeus if Madden was interested already taking over. Yes,
I thought Awesomeus did it. I mean obviously they fell
apart late and they had the Tyler Skaggs deal, which
is bad. I thought he did a pretty good job.
I mean, how much has he really had to work with? Well,
there's that, but there's also Madden's history, you know, with

(01:46:23):
the with the team, a long history before he became
the big league manager. So yeah, thats just just to
add to that and to add to this. Cardinals and
Diamondbacks right now, fifth inning, Cardinals up four to their
magic number to clinch in the Annal Centrals down to three,
but Michael Waka left with some shoulder tightness. So no,
it's not good. But if that is not waca, waca, waca,

(01:46:46):
Oh that is not terrible. It was terrible, wasn't it.
Jaguar's quarter Jalen Ramsey did show up to the team's
facility today. Didn't practice though, because of that sore back,
something that you touched on a bit earlier. Back. You know,
he's like Scar from thee Yan King back. You know,
it's gonna have the hyenas do all his h his
dirty business. Could Melvin Gordon be back for the Chargers.

(01:47:09):
Reports say that he's thinking about ending his holdouts in
the near future. Wouldn't play this week even if you're
reported today that according to the NFL network, But Melvin
Gordon could be back sooner rather than later. Yeah, you
don't say you're thinking about coming back unless you're coming back, right, Yeah,
I think that could provide. Huh, they're one and two,
you know, it could provide, you know, if they need

(01:47:31):
all hands on deck, all hands on deck. Redskins quarterback
Colt McCoy returned to practice today. Missed the start of
the season with a sore leg. He's returning from a
broken leg suffered late last year. Case Keena miss practice
today because of a foot injury. Redskins have the Giants
coming up on Sunday. M uh Cole McCoy would be

(01:47:52):
would be interesting if they did cult McCoy instead of
going to Dwayne Haskins. What are they trying to tell
us about dayne have There were reports in the preseason
that Colton mcoy it was the number one guy. Cole
McCoy knows the offense better. To remember, Case hasn't played
that offense. Dwayne Casten's hasn't played that offense, Like, I
think that makes a ton of sense. They're trying to
win games now and not play for the future. Barrisson

(01:48:13):
coach Matt Nagy said that running back Toree Cohen was
apologetic and felt bad about violating a team rule and
an NFL rule as he streamed video from the team's
locker room following when they win against Washington, that's because, um,
which Long? Was it? Kyle Long? Kyle Long was exposed? Right?

(01:48:35):
It reminds me of when John Ramos was filming RAMS
training camp. Remember that little YEA honest question, buyer, Have
you watched the video of Kyle Long? Yes, I've seen
the still shots? Was it still? Was it blurried out?
Did somebody put a happy thing? Did you know there's

(01:48:57):
nothing nothing blurry about? Did you specifically search out? It
was like an episode of The Righteous Gemstones. I don't
know if you've seen that on HBO, but very similar,
very similar. Long, by the way, was asked about it
and said, blank, happens the true story, Like, look, if
he got it, who cares? Right? If you're big, old dude,
you're you're good. Uh, Alabama quarterback to Angel like it

(01:49:21):
was cold, I just got a shower. Was shrinkage? Alabama
quarterback to a Tongue of Valoa told The Dan Patrick
Show that he actually considered transferring to usc as he
was the backup to Jalen Hurts and Tuscaloosa that season
up until well they needed him the most. And then
he does a touchdown pass and meats Georgia, wins a

(01:49:44):
uh win's national championship, and the rest of the they
say his history, Oh my goodness. Do you think if
it was twenty nineteen, he already would have been gone. Well,
he was in the portal, Yeah, would have entered there
for the twelfth year in a row. Strikeouts increased in
Major League Baseball, twenty two pitchers having two hundred or
more strikeouts the season. That mark is the highest in
the modern era, easily out distancing the previous mark of

(01:50:06):
fifteen and ninety. Home runs are up, strikeouts are up.
You know, you would you would think these are things
that bring us to watch more baseball. I'm excited for
postseason baseball, but I gotta tell you, you know, the day,
the day to day doesn't seem to move the meter.
I Also, I find it ridiculous, Doug when people say,
like the regular seasons too long, like Onto games is

(01:50:29):
so much better. It's like the difference as Okay, this
is yeah, this is great, much better. One is great. Honestly,
can you imagine playing a hundred sixty two games? Can
you imagine playing a hundred sixt two damn games? John, John,
I can't. That's that's it's a long time. That's a

(01:50:51):
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(01:51:13):
we think will ultimately get their legs. Also because I've
been much better on Monday nights and Thursday nights than
I have on Sunday nights. Barry Zero will join us tomorrow.
We'll ask him about his memories of Oakland. Snug out
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