Stop Blaming Carson Wentz

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Podcastle's say why Carson Wentz is not to blame for
the struggling Eagles. Plus, we have a Twitter war involving
Antonio Brown, and I'll talk to NFL insider Jason lack
Camp for to find out if Melvin Gordon made a
big mistake by holding out. Boom Up America. Doug gott
Leave Show Fox Sports Radio a lot to get into.

(00:42):
Jason lock Camp four is gonna join us in fifteen minutes.
Oh what a holdout it was, Sir Melvin Gordon, right like,
it's not quite Antonio Brown here, take thirty million dollars
from me, but no, take a million dollars and you're
kind of right back in the place you were before
the season and began. So Melvin Gordon will report to
the Chargers today, not likely not to play this weekend,

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although again in the you should have played this weekend
if you're trying to get paid. They're playing the Dolphins,
arguably the worst team in the Nation Football League. You
would think could have reported earlier this week just shows
what a terrible plan it was tonight Thursday Night Football.
And I am very, very jealous. I have never been

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to lambeau Field. I want to go to lambeau Field.
The game is on Fox. I probably could have gone
and gotten sideline passes. But the deadweight I'm dragging is
all of you. Right, Let's just be honest, it's all
of you. Ramos won't get on a plane music so
fiance he's got him Buyer who's from Wisconsin, never offered

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up his parents basement for us to hang in. And
we can't go anywhere without Elijah. He's the head of
digital here and he comes strolling in two minutes for
the show and he's like, we can't go to Green
Bay because I gotta do stuff from here. I where
I'm I'm an l A guy. So I'm super jealous
of of of the Fox crew tonight. But there is

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something interesting about these games, right, There's something super interesting.
And here's what it is. We make outlandish and bold
statements about these games even though it's Thursday night football,
even though there's less time to prepare. Why because they're
the only game on right. Like, I got a question

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for you. I asked, the prevailing wisdom, is Carson Wentz
playing great? Why? Because well, we've seen some red zone highlights,
we've seen some regular highlights. We've seen Twitter and people saying,
look at the numbers, he's not playing all that well.
I asked Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network about why

(02:56):
Carson Paul, Carson Wentz. Carson Paul, we're also not playing well,
but he's also not playing football. Why Carson Wentz isn't
playing well? He had this to say, I think Carson
Wentz played really well. I think he's played like M
v P caliber level. Well, that's seven drop balls in
that game the other day. I think he's the least
of their problems. They can't rush the passer. That's that's

(03:18):
their that's their issue right now. They've got to find
a way to get home because, in Jim Schwartz's defense,
if your front four doesn't get home, I mean, that's
the that's the that's a lifeblood of that scheme. So
they don't have the secondary personnel on the outside of
the corner position to hold up if their fronts not
getting home. And uh and right now that hasn't happened.
So that's that's issue number one for the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah,

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J j r R. Sega Whiteside, the kid from Stanford,
dropped to forty yard bomb from Wentz fourth and fifteen,
forty nine seconds remaining as they trailed by three. This
followed uh an O p I call on Darren Sprawls,
which was an absolute seed. He threw back shoulder to

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Darren Sproles on fourth and five, and Daring Sprawls just
pushed off to get over and probably didn't have to
because there's a back shoulder throw. There were other drops
in the game, and you go back even the Atlanta game,
remember one to go Nelson Aglar dropped an absolute a
seed touchdown pass in his hands against Cover two. Or
then you go to the final offensive play where zach Ertz,

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you know, it runs a little little dig route and
is short of the sticks on fourth down. But because
and look that was a Sunday night game, we did
watch that game, but because there is so much else
going on on Sundays, we're not hyper focused. We're not
hyper focused, whereas on a Thursday night, the first Thursday

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night on Fox, Buck Aikman, Um and Crew and company. Well,
we're gonna pay attention because it's wins who would have
won hist We don't win the Hian the m v
P two years ago. They did win the Super Bowl
two years ago against the former m v P. With
a new offense that also isn't clicking. We're gonna make

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huge outlandish statements. Packers win to Night four. No Packers
lose a night all of a sudden, there's issues with
their offense not fitting um Aaron Rodgers. Eagles lose tonight
one in three, look at the Cowboys three and oh,
they're never gonna win. The division will make outlandish statements

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based upon tonight. But but we we've done this with Wentz.
Even when they had Nick Foles right like, they could
have kept Nick Foles. They could have kept Nick Foles
as the only the backup. They could have part of
ways with Carson Wentz, but they gave Carson Wentz the
biggest contract at the time we've ever seen the sport.

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Why because they know he's a dude. They're well aware,
they know exactly what they have, exact what his ceiling is.
They didn't overvalue it. Okay, he may not be as
incredible guys Nick Foles, stick Fols is like a you've
worked with some of these guys that zero people on
Earth don't like him. And because because he's kind of

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been through the ringer in the NFL, I mean, Frankly
played for Jeff Fisher as his coachman. There you go, right,
offensive offensive system of Jeff Fishers. Hey, you guys, go
out and get open. We'll see if we can get
you the ball. I like Jeff Fisher, but that offense
Jared Goff and uh and Nick Foles might tell you otherwise.

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So I just I look at this and I say,
the Eagles know they have a stud, so too to
the Packers. Packers have a better defense than the Eagles
right now. The Eagles have been healthy without all Sean
Jeffrey and de Sean Jackson. Of course all Sean Jeffrey
is supposed to be back tonight. It should be a
great football game. The Packers should win playing at home,
and they haven't done anything offensive in their defense is

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way better than most people expected it. By the way,
why I picked them to go to the Super Bowl
because I knew I've seen what they've done defensively, and
everyone I know in the NFL is like, you know,
it's a really good defensive coordinators. Mike Petton like he's legit.
But whatever happens to night will be massive overstatement night.
And if you don't believe me, think about what's happened

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in all of these standalone games. Marcus Mariota is done, why, well,
he played terrible last Thursday night. Jacksonville is back. Why
because they were Saxonville last Thursday night. I mean Sunday night.
We're ripping the Browns because the Browns the Monday night
before they played the Jets. But the Sunday night most recently,

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they they look like a flawed team. You know, Monday
after the Jets, it was boy, the Jets. The Giants
are stupid to let O b J go because ob
J went crazy. Not you know, the Jets really stay.
They were on the third quarterback. So this is kind
of the nature of the Beast, and it happens with

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any of these standalone games. Happens in college football, right,
like a Notre Dame game that's at two thirty Eastern
time and gets covered up by all the SEC and
Big ten, Big twelve games. Not that big a deal.
Night game under lights against an SEC FO where everybody's watching,
and it was only up against I think Texas and
Okloma State on Network TV. Now you're like, oh, Notre

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Dame is pretty good. Yeah, well, they were pretty good
in the semifinals last year, maybe better than Alabama. They're
pretty good two years ago against Georgia. Standalone games seem
to matter more in terms of the narrative. Maybe not
the reality of the sport, but the narrative. Carson Wentz
has been playing well, his wide receivers and defensive line

(08:51):
have been playing poorly. We'll see how he plays tonight.
Aaron Rodgers hasn't been playing great. The offense hasn't been
in rhythm. But of course if he plays well tonight,
all is forgotten. Why stand alone game against the Eagles
and people think the Eagles defense is better than it
actually is. I mean, even if one in three their

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season wouldn't be over. Remember they have the Giants and
the Redskins in their division. That's four wins. It's four
wins and they haven't gotten haven't gotten a crack on
the Cowboys. I think they play Cowboys last game of
the season as well, and they always play the Cowboys well.
Don't get me wrong. The NFC is hyper hyper competitive,

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right hyper competitive. But the NFC South looks like it's
the Saints. They can keep it together to win the
NFC West, the NFC East, we see the NFC North
probably the most competitive, but they're gonna beat up on
each other. I don't know. I just I wouldn't cancel
Christmas if you lose tonight. I do think it will

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be a telling game. I think you'll find the Packers
defense is really good. I also think you go, hey,
Carson Winch is kind of awesome. His offensive line is
and we'll see if his receivers catch the football. They
lead the league in drops. Alright, got a lot to
get to up come With Jason luckein for CBS NFL Insider,
is tonight wait for it a must win game for

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the Eagles. I'll ask him. We're also going to find
out what he knows about why the Packers offense hasn't
been smooth sailing so far. Plus, with all the discussions
about Jalen Ramsey, Jalen Ramsey has taken a day or
or maybe even a weekend off for the birth of
his second child. Is this legit defense? And will Melvin

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Gordon's hold out gone wrong also resonate the way that
Ezekiel Elliott's hold out Gone Right resonated a lot. To
get to all that up coming next, be sure to
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Radio and the I Heart Radio. Ah app. So I

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don't know this to be true. I mean, well, okay,
I know it to be true, but I haven't been
told that it's absolutely true. Right. It's like I was
born at night, not last night. Um, do you guys
remember when Fox got Thursday Night Football? Do you remember that? Okay?

(11:25):
When when Fox and tonight Tonight? Is is it NFL
network only? Is it Fox as well? I thought it's
it's Big Fox, right both? Okay? Cool? So when Fox
got the package, they paid more than both NBC and
CBS we're paying in the previous year. You're like, why

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would they do that? Well, Tonight's the perfect example. Of
why they would do that because they said, look, we're
gonna put our number one team on the game's much
like CBS put their number one team on the games.
But we want the big we want the first pick,
and Packers Eagles is a great pick. Next week, by
the way, rams Seahawks, which the only downside of that

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one is early start obviously five start uh in the
Emerald City, but that's not l a no problem getting
people in the stands. Like then the next week it's
Giants and Patriots, and Giants might not be any good,
but they're a huge draw on the Patriots. So what's
your not is that Kansas City and Denver you get
to see pat mahomes. These storesday night games are gonna
be really really fun at the NFL network only ones.

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That's when you get you know, Tampa and Tennessee and
Jacksonville and all those other filling out the schedule if
you will. Excited for tonight. Jason Lackhamphora joins us in
the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM. I
think nationally the narrative has been that Carson Wentz isn't

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playing that Well, then we see how many drops that
they've had leading the league and drop seven last week.
A couple of game changers in both of the past
two games. Um, are the Eagles concerned at all? Jason, No, no, no, no, no. Um.
They from a personnel standpoint haven't been able to be
who they'd like to be. That was a team I
saw them in the summer. I was like, my gosh,

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the d line, the receivers, the tight ends, they're they're
deeper than they need and you know what now they're
not not with three weeks in and they're not. They
literally couldn't run certain packages, a lot of them, you know,
from midway through that Atlanta game and then also last
week just because they didn't they didn't have enough guys
they could trust at some of those very positions I noted.

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But Carson Wentz kept them in all those games, made
enough plays, frankly to win those games. And you factor
in injuries and some hit the offensive line as well,
and and mental mistakes and physical mistakes that others made. UM,
And you know that that's that, that's all it'll take. UM.
And you know in a lot of weeks, Um, but no,

(13:58):
they they mean car if you want, if you've watched
these games. I mean Carson wentz is and if anything,
maybe he's doing a little too much at times, but
understandably so because of you know, the limitations that they've
had from a roster standpoint at certain points. Um, but no,
they paid him for a reason, and um, he's gonna

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be very very good for a long time. On the
other side, Aaron Rodgers offense stinks right, averaging five yards
five plays per possession, bottom the league in almost every
offensive category. I'm wondering if Aaron Rodgers will really Wayne Brady.
And and by that I mean, like, look, Wayne Brady,

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whose line is it? Anyway? He's amazing right when it's
improv he's incredible. Wayne Brady has never been any in
anything scripted that's decent at all. And you know, the
way in which this new offense works is they kind
of want to stick to the script, relatively speaking, and
Rogers seems to be struggling sticking to the script. No,

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the whole senses struggling. Um, I mean, let let let like,
if anybody thinks Matt Lafleur was some offensive genius last
year in Tennessee, I would love to see the empirical
evidence on film or through a box score or especially
through any sort of breakdown of trends and tendencies that
would make you think, So, he ran the ball more

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than UM, you know, exotic smash mouth Mike mclarkey ran
the ball. He ran the ball more on first down
and pretty much anybody in the league. UM. And now
he's got a very different toy at quarterback, but I
think some of those tendencies are the same, and they're
going to have to to figure some things out. They've
been bawled out by the turnovers. Their points are off takeaways.

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They've got a plus eight turnover ratio already. I don't
believe that's sustainable. UM, and they've needed and you know,
all those points. I mean they're three and oh, but
they're going thirty out three and out thirty percent at
the time. UM. Their yards per play in the second
half the second worst in the league to only the
Jets five point nine yards per play. As the game

(16:01):
flow changes and as you get off your script, they
haven't had anything that's really working for him outside of
the occasional long run that they might spring. UM. I
have some concerns about that. The defense, though, is much better,
and they you know, much like Cleveland, they all just
sort of, you know, are putting this thing together and
it's in the very early stages. But a quarterback that good,

(16:22):
I mean, yeah, I don't. I mean, I know, he's
not what he was five years ago, just physically and
some of the injuries he's had and everything. But you know,
great left tackle, really solid offensive line, um enough around him.
They shouldn't be being compared to the Jets offense in
any way, shape or form. And their numbers are a
lot closer than the Jets um than you would think.

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In a lot of key metrics, I would say, there's
nowhere to go but up, and it probably will um.
But I don't. I just again, I go back to
those interviews and how four hours with Matt Lafleur had
them convinced that he's the guy for the next ten years.
That one left me scratching my head. And we'll just
have to see how that plays out. Jason looking forward
joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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You know, so oftentimes we we we want to, we
want to believe that there's a new era in the NFL.
Guys can hold out, can have power, can force their
way out. Jayla Ramsey hasn't been traded. Now today Melvin
Gordon is back with the l A Chargers. Uh, let's
start with Melvin Gordon, the held out, hold out gone wrong.
I know his people are trying to sell it as well.

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It could be unrestricted free agent at the end of
the year, but they can just franchise tag him. He
just lost. He just lost in this thing. Nothing really
has changed other than he lost. Yeah. I mean he's healthy,
which I guess you could say, well, he might have
got hurt in camp, and he might have got hurt
in the first three weeks, but there was not a
whole lot to be gained here. Trade never looked all
that viable and the current climate, especially with the financial

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compensation attached, the Chargers weren't just going to give him away.
And it was pretty clear that he had to come
back this year, you know, by November, or he wouldn't
be able to play this year and he would be
right back where he started, you know, a year older,
but same a free agent status, you know, same accrude seasons,
playing on the exact same contract that would have just
told So No, there wasn't a whole lot to be gained. Um,

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to be honest with you, UM, it's one thing to
be you know, a Levian Bell, who you know was
when there was coming off years in Pittsburgh where he
was doing things in terms of scrimmage yards that very
few guys have done. Um. You know, It's it's one
thing to be in Antonio Brown with a Hall of
Fame resume. It's it's another to be you know, a

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top ten running back and a guy everybody loves and
a dude who's selfless and has played through injuries and
is super physical and has evolved in the passing game.
But no one's gonna say, you know, make the argument
that Melvin Gordon is one of the top five in
the world at what he does. Um. Some of these
other guys in different situations could, Um, but I do.
I will say this, Like, the bottom line is he's
going to make the Chargers a better football team. And

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that team easily could be one three if not for
Adam Vin Terry. And they've had the lead at halftime
every week, yet they're like twentieth in the league and
rushing attempts, which tells me they didn't trust the running
game all that much without him, and a big, physical
back like him with some of these leads could could
certainly have helped with them protecting some of this stuff,
staying more balanced, um, and and trying to impose their

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will on the other team's defense, which given the state
of their offensive line, UM, they're not doing in the
passing games so much. Yeah, I look, I think they're
the better team because of it. But I think that
that Melvin Gordon lost, he didn't gain much of anything.
I mean, I'm with you. If anything, they also don't
understand the coming back today. Should have come back at
the start of this week. At least he could have
gotten in on the you know the everybody wants this

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is a stat pad game, right, you're taking on the
Miami Dolphin. Um, all right, let's let's talk Jalen Ramsey.
Now he's left the team because he's having another kid.
The Doug Marons got his back, saying this is a
pre planned deal. But you know he first he had
a cold, then he had a bad back. Now he's
missed the team. I mean they've got issue. Um, there's

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issues between the player and the team. I don't think
that's a revelation. It dates back to last year. It
was accentuated with sort of the almost flippant nature which
the team declared, we're not paying this dude, um, and
it manifested itself from the sidelines, you know, a few
weeks ago for all the sea, and then he had
a combustible meeting with the team president Tom Coflin on

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top of that, and you know, not getting two ones
for him in the span of like three days. Was
it couldn't be like, Okay, Genie back in the bottle, Sorry, dude,
you know, just play it out like that. That's that
wasn't gonna fly, and it would be naive to think
that was going to fly. UM. I a lot of
time still now between now and the trade deadline. I

(20:43):
suspect that we see something every week unusual between Jalen
Ramsey and the Jags because he's not happy and he
lets you know, a long time ago he wasn't happy
and he's not inclined to do a deal there, and
he thinks there's way more money on field and elsewhere
somewhere else, and by entertaining the raid demands, um, he
feels like he's close to the other side of the

(21:03):
rainbow than ever. So you know, sort of figuring this
out and squashing it or playcating him on the fly
with something other than a trade isn't going to be easy.
Uh yeah. So ultimately, does he stick and does he
come back and play? I mean, I don't. I think
for all sides, it may not make sense for him
to play this week. He's barely been in the building,

(21:25):
he's missed practice. Um, and you know, he gets hurt,
and obviously it's it's a lose for everybody, lose for him,
lose for the team, and you know, lose for their
future of the Jags because of what you might be
able to get in trade for a player who I
don't ever think is signing a long term extension. There. Um,
I think it still ends up in the trade. I do.

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Jason lockett Ford Joinius Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. I want to ask you about Lamar Jackson.
You know you've been bullish on Lamar. The Ravens have
been bullish on Lamar, and the numbers at the end
of the day against kanc City didn't look that look
that bad. The reality was there are two jump balls
that weren't good decisions that he got bailed out on

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and he was back to the struggles in the short
and intermediate passing game, which is the you know, it's
it's really these two, these teams at the bottom. Arizona's terrible,
Miami's terrible. It's really hard to tell how good anybody
is when you play them. Uh, where where are they? Where?
What do they really legitimately think? Lamar Jackson is eleven
yards per game on offense. I can tell you that

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it's number one in the league. They scored four touchdowns
on the road. Um, they couldn't stop anybody, you know. Uh,
and not that you're going to contain Mahomes. But as
as much as they talk about their defense, and as
much as they told everybody in the media who would
fly into town or in my case, drive over the
facility watched them practice and say, you had nobody who

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will come close to Russian the pastor this year other
than at Judean. And that secondary might look really good
on paper right now, but it's long in the tooth
and some key spots. Jimmy Smith has always hurt, Cavon
Young has always hurt. To hurt again, and you will
get picked apart by anything other than average quarterbacks anybody
above average is gonna be going to pick you apart
because you're gonna have to bring six or seven to
get home. That's their reality. I mean they when they

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when they when they ran when they got back into
twelve and thirteen personnel in the second half, they ran
the ball down their throats and they got back in
the game. I think they came out a little too
cute and thinking we're gonna trade points, so we're gonna
throw to set up the run um. That kid is
not going to be perfect, but I don't. I mean
from an offensive standpoint, they gotta get more receivers involved

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in Hollywood Like, it's not perfect, but the problem and
is if there is a problem there, it's on the
other side of the ball, because they're gonna score mid
twenties or low thirties on a lot of teams in
this league. Like I don't know they're gonna do that
to New England, but they're gonna do it to a
lot of teams in this leagu They're gonna do it
with every team in their division. But can they do
You have to bring six to get any pressure because

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if you do the Mahomes, the Bradies, they're gonna slay you.
And that that's where I think the rubber will meet
the road with this team. Okay, how bad are the
problems with the Browns? Talk to me, you talk to
me a couple of weeks, um at one and two.
I'm not gonna go too crazy, but this is a

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big game for them with Baltimore. Um. And I just
mentioned some of the flaws in Baltimore's defense, And is
this a get right game? Um for for Baker Mayfield.
You know, Odell is a guy who they haven't played
him that much, but when they have played them in
the past, Um, he's he's destroyed them. Do they get
established or you know, do they do some different things
with Nick Chubb? Do they run more screens and quick

(24:38):
stuff and and up tempo quick stuff to try to
mitigate some of the issues with the offensive line? Um,
you know, we'll see This next four game stretch is
pretty daunting. I think they've got San Francisco, Seattle, and
New England after this. Uh you go one and three
in that span. It's it's late, you know, it's late,
early two and five. I don't think they're gonna be

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able to to get off the mat to the extent
that you're talking playoffs. Um, so let's see man again
very early there. I'm not gonna go crazy. The defense
has been absolutely stellar for the most part, and they
have the pieces on offense to be better than than
what they are. Do I think it would make sense
for them, and would have made sense all along, to
have Todd Monkin call the players and let Freddie do

(25:20):
everything else the head coach has to do. I do. Um.
Do I understand his unwillingness to entertain that three games
into his head coaching career, I do do? I think
this doesn't even excuse me. The next four games go
really bad and we're at the middle of the year.
Do I think, um, that's gonna be something that he's

(25:40):
facing more of. Absolutely, You're only gonna have Todd Monkin
for one year and all likely, and I think he's
gonna be a head coach college a pro somewhere next year.
You you might as well let him do what he
does best and what he's done much longer than the
head coach has done. Yeah. No, I I agree. It's
one of the of the of the risks they took
high in an inexperienced coach, but then allowing that inexperienced

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coach to also call called plays something that he's not
terribly experiencing at all. Was those are two to what
seems like fatal flaws. Uh thus far Jason Lackham for
a CBS Sports joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, you know, I look
around this league and I do wonder, have we seen

(26:25):
the last cam of Cam Newton in the Carolina Panther
uniform too? Quicker reaction what happened in Arizona last week?
I think that's one where I think we'll probably have
our answer come there by week. Um that you know,
as I was reporting last week, this was at least
a several weeks situation. They were not going to put
Cam back there in a week or two have him

(26:47):
reaggravate that thing. And now we're going to a specialist
every week, and it's an ongoing saga. So Coyle Allen
was going to get to three games at the very least.
At this point, I think he's gonna get They have
a game in Leak six in London. You're not gonna
came back and practice, you know what I mean? On
all these different surfaces you're not used to halfway across
the world and have him come back for that game,

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and then you've got extended break after that, where I
think if Kyle Allen keeps producing the way he is,
then it goes from a medical situation to kind of
like Lamar and Flacco last year, where you know, it
was Flacco's hitt was going to be a good three
four weeks probably no matter what, and then it got
the week, you know, five and six weeks and Lamar's rolling,
and it was even though they didn't admitute the time

(27:28):
for another two or three weeks, it was already a
football decision. And then it gets around to being obvious.
Now I don't I don't know how this kid's gonna
perform um, but I'm super intrigued by him. The more
work I do on him, the more people I talked
to about him, the less I think that he's a
too too hit wonder or I guess, in this case,
a two game wonder. Yeah, me too. I'm fascinated to

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see exactly what happens next. And they do have some
really good personnel around him, which feels like he fits
better than Camp fits in terms of pushing the ball
downfield the more and Curtis Samuel and those guys. It
was it was pretty impressive. Um. I mean to your point,
you know about Baltimore, they Carolina's offense against Arizona looked

(28:09):
better than Baltimore. You know, the Baltimore game against Arizona
was where Lamar had a run for one twenty UM.
So you know, I can't I can't discount what Kyle
Owen did on the road against an NFL team. I mean,
I'm not gonna go crazy about it, but it fits
with the narrative I'm hearing about what his high end
potential might be if everything goes right. Can you think

(28:29):
of a bigger one eighty than what Giants fans have
done with Daniel Jones. I mean, it was pretty wild
being in the city on Sunday and being in studio
and you know, we're right, you know, fifty seventh and tents,
and you know, all the guys on the crew and
lighting guys and camera guys and floor guys. There's a

(28:50):
lot of hardcore Giants fans who have basically just been
sort of sitting on their hands and gutting it out
through these games. The last four years because there's been
nothing to see here. And I mean we almost had
people screaming on air a couple of times doing highlights
because people, you know, like the crew, everybody was just
incredibly fired. I mean energy in the city and the
bean in a cab going to Penn Station and watching

(29:10):
people coming out of bars with their giant stuff on
High five and it was palpable, man Um. And I
just think people at this point, we're just beaten down
and ready for something else. Like if we're not gonna
be any good, let's just be good different. Let's be
good athletic, let's be good booting out, let's be good
swinging at fifty yards. I mean, let's you know, if

(29:30):
we're gonna be bad and we're gonna be bad, let's
be bad in all those different ways rather than what
this has become. Um. And you know, the kid has
yet to show anything other than significant potential. But I
don't think that excuses the twenty three and a half
million dollars to ELI, all the reps this kid didn't
get in the summer because you had ELI. Um. Some

(29:53):
of the personnelity changes you've made and the guys you've
passed on the last couple of years because you have
ELI and the fact that they hedged their best as
long as they could possibly hedge them. You can't. You
can't act like there was great conviction or this was
the plan all along. Otherwise you would have reallocated assets
from draft trade and financially in a much different way

(30:15):
than they did. So they can't have it both ways
in that regard. But if this kid is who he
looks like he might be, nobody's gonna care a year
from now. Awesome stuff. Jason Lacamphora from CBS Sports. Tell
everybody in that studio I said hello and we'll talk.
We'll talk soon. Sounds good, but thank you. Be sure
to catch live edition so the Doug dot Leaps Show
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(30:37):
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(30:59):
do want to go to Green and we could have
done it, and we didn't do it, and we need
to still do it. It needs to be part of
what we're doing. I gotta get to Green Bay. This
has got to happen. Make this happen. Let's get to
a game. This is game time side on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, Dan by what he got Doug. The game
today is alright, Doug, guess who will perform at halftime

(31:24):
of Super Bowl fifty four in Miami in February. This
justin too the newsroom. Justin and let's just say, oh,
I know, I mean it's gotta be. J Lo has
to be part of it. That is correct. I it's Miami.

(31:47):
She's got this movie out that all the women love
where she's a stripper, right and they shake guys down.
Is it callege stripper Hustler something like that. Yeah, I'm
gonna go JL And I don't know she hero, Oh yeah,
I don't know, I don't know. Yeah it is Shakira. Yeah,
come on, be honest. Did you see the the breaking

(32:07):
news that just came out Adam Schefter saying that j
Loo and Shakira will be the performers at super Bowl.
You know what, I don't love it, but you know
what not designed for me? Correct? Absolutely, this is what
we have to remember. It is not designed for me
because I'm gonna watch the Super Bowl regardless. But people

(32:27):
who are want to see j Lo and Shakira. They'll
be like, why am I watching this thing because Jaylo
Skira coming on a halftime? Like I love j Loo,
I love her, Jlo so beloved that she made Alex
Rodriguez like them. I've been fortunate enough to go to
a name is Alex Rodriguez a bunch of Super Bowls

(32:49):
and last year was the first time that I got
up and left during the performance. Yeah, this is actually
good news, right because is Foxing Bowl. We can get tickets.
But now may be now may my kids won't be
so on me to go, like who's at halftime? Something
we like like j Low who? Uh? He guess who?

(33:10):
Doug has never lost a Thursday night game as a
head coach in the NFL and is looking for his
fifth win tonight. Uh Doug Peterson. Yeah, I would be
really the only answer that there is. I mean the
guy and you know, well guys want to know on
Thursday nights. Well, he's uh, that's correct, started starting season.
That was technically Senday Night football on Thursday. I put

(33:31):
still played on Thursday Night. Yes, absolutely, but he was
also I had to I had to add the fifth
win tonight because otherwise than it was just he was.
Both answers would have been correct, but yeah, Doug Peterson
four O on Thursday Night football at his career. Guess
guess who Doug doesn't want an eighteen game regular season
schedule anymore? Everybody, Oh, let's narrow it down. Uh, doesn't

(33:52):
want to wait, doesn't want win, does not want an
eighteen game regular season schedule anymore. In the NFL, guess
who doesn't ten games schedule anymore? Oh? H Jerry Jones, Yeah,
NFL owners. The report from the Athletics says that the
owners now thinking about proposing a seventeen game regular seasons.

(34:14):
It's just like the Boris thing. This is the Boris thing,
a right, like Bryce Harper five million dollars and like, okay,
how about we get Bryce Harper for like I don't know,
three d million dollars, Like I see, I saved you
two hundred million dollars, Like yeah, if we just still
spending three no, no, no, no, they know the eighteen
is such a note non starter. They go like, what

(34:34):
if we did seven team? See, we saved you a game. No,
you actually had a game. Noe, we saved you a game.
We're gonna go to eight team. What will be interesting
is if the NFL does go with this, how do
you how you would do home and away games because
you would have, yes, an uneven number. But it would
also then allow them to have the three preseason games

(34:55):
and keep all the revenue with the current I do
think there's such just a lot of there's a lot
out of unknown. They're right, I mean, how do you
do Obviously, would allow them to have one game where
you could float it and play it wherever, which they
seem to like doing the London games, the Mexico games.
That will be a China game. It's et cetera. Grow
the game that way, um, and I would guess they

(35:17):
would still have they would have the double by that's
part of that's part of how they extend the season.
I'll just say this, I'm all for football. If you
have the double by and then, and this is important,
you move the Super Bowl a week later so that
it coincides the President's weekend. Double buying, by the way,
has been done in the NFL has been done. None.

(35:38):
I don't know why they do away with the double BYO.
I forgot that it even happened, and then years back
looking back at numbers, Oh yeah, double by. I Guess
who tweeted quote normal no more Nikes end quote? Well,
Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, I don't wrong sports football. Yes, No,

(36:07):
it wasn't him, John. It was Antonio Brown, who also
tweeted it the game need me, I'm like test answers.
Next week, I'm going to practice at every high school
one day of weeks starting in Miami. Sends school info now,
so zero punctuation and that tweet, Well, listen, he has
he has gone back to college and he's taking a
writing course. So start. Guess who dug David guest home by.

(36:36):
It is not him who just walked by. It would
be David guests. Guess who on the crew lost their
lunch on Monday? What lost their lunch on Monday? No, yes,
I was. I was outsick on Monday. However, John actually
lost his lunch when it was in the refrigerator but

(36:57):
accidentally thrown away. Oh he didn't, he didn't, he he didn't. Ralph,
he didn't boot, and he didn't yell at the pavement,
he didn't cry to the porcelain guy literally lost it
and didn't know where it went. Well, he found out
that it was in the trash. But yes, and that's skim.
This is game time on the Duck got Leap shows.
You as a question, so these hats I wear, I

(37:19):
wear these branded bills hats is like those hats that
I wear. They're like a little piece of leather that
are in the shape of a state. So they're like, hey,
you can pick out hats for your guys, or you
can customize your own. What do you guys think? Would
you guys want to customize your own? Why don't you
think about that? What can we expect from the packers
offense tonight? Find out next in The Doug Gotlip Show

(37:40):
Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug got Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app What Up Dug got Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I don't know if he's available. You know he's super
super busy. Dan Buyer, Um, can I can I grab

(38:01):
Dan for a second? Because he said No, he's not nice,
too busy. I wanted to get some native I feel
like when I do with like wiskensins, it ends up
sounding like like like a bad Minnesota. That's what I wanted, man,
um Man. I want that. I want the authentic cheese,

(38:24):
you know I went. I want to sound tonight's game
Thursday Night Football, first one on Fox, Huge one Eagles
pickers right and fall. I'm I'm watching Andrews Siliano and
Steve Mariuchi mooch by the way, and look he's living
the best life. But two phenomenal dudes. Phenomenal dudes. But
I'm watching the breeze now like I'm like, man, early

(38:47):
fall up in Green Bay must be amazing, must be amazing.
I'm guessing ridiculous tailgating a lot of beer, super super
good food buyer. Can you can you like shift out
of your because your accent sometimes appears? Can you shift
out of dan buyer? Radio guy and talk a little

(39:07):
pack tonight? How would you talk pack if you were
in Green Bay? I think the pack have this one
in the bag? Yes, bag is always one where do
anything like an A G like Texas A and m AGAs.
You know you would have instead of the egg. Eas
we don't pronounce the a's, We kind of do it
with the E. So like bag is to us beg,

(39:29):
so would Aaron Nagler? Would that be? Or how would
it be pronounced? In in with? Can let me ask
Aaron Neigler who joins us. He's co founder of Cheesehead
TV fallm on Twitter. Look, I just promise you this.
If you want to know anything going on with the
Green Bay Packers, follow him. Okay, he studies it, he
loves it, he's well with faces, really really good at

(39:51):
what does and I think he's actually in Green Bay?
Is that true? Aaron good Man? But New York is
your home? So do you slip in to your do
you slip into your Green Bay was Canton accent when
you get back? And do people call you Aaron Nageler
the way I pronounced it? Oh? Yeah, you know, you
know that's what they do. Yes, as soon as I'm home,

(40:13):
there's zero question that. Uh, the accent comes back. And
you know, as far as the last time goes, it's
that's what everyone anyone says. I have never really cared.
It really depends on what part of the country I am.
How people pronounce it, but I I'm really nonplus by
the way you say what you want, I'm I'm all good,
all right, cool enough. Um, I've never been to Green Bay.

(40:35):
Never never been. I was born, they know, and I
tonight's fox Like my boy Jacob Bowman's like, hey, how
come you're not coming? I was like, I don't know.
Nobody ever said like you want to come, but I
gotta do it. Um. Is this the iconic time of year?
Like everybody says they want to go in it's snowing,
but I don't really want to go to snowing. No, no, no,
this is it. This is like from now through like

(40:56):
late October is the best time it is. It's hoodie weather.
I got my hoodie on. Is just a there's a
nice Christmas in the air, but it's not like insanely
hurt your face cold yet. Yeah, this is the time
to be here. Okay for people who haven't been, Do
you did you fly into Green Bay? Do you fly
in Milhawauke and drive I actually flew into Appleton, which

(41:18):
is where my folks still live, and I stay with
them and then I drive up to Green Bay. You
stay in the basement, thankfully, no, but I probably should.
But no, I stay in our old our old TV room. No,
no shrine to Aaron's high school years available at my pearance.
I'm just listen. John Anderson once offered me up his

(41:40):
mom's basement to stay in. Uh for for that that
Because here's what happened this true story. Um, when when
Farve came back with the Vikings before the season started,
I was like, he was telling me he's my neighbor
is John Anderson Sports Center, and anyway, he's from Green
Bay and he's My Mom's so upset that Farest playing

(42:02):
with the Viscous. She won't go to the game. So
I was like, well, I'll go to the game. He's
like you will. I was like, yeah, buy the tickets
from He's like, you could stay in her basement. And
then like a week or two before he's like, my
Mom's like, she's gonna go anyway. She loves She changed
her mind. She did, she changed, she she she changed. Okay,
So when you roll in from Appleton to green Bay, Like,

(42:24):
what is green Bay? Is it a couple of big buildings?
Like I have no idea what the town is even? Like,
oh please, there are no big buildings in Green Bay.
Stop stop that internal dialogue right now. Yeah, No, no,
of course not. It's Green Bay. No, there's like lambeau
Field is pretty much bigger than everything else. Uh, there's
there's a downtown, which anybody who's ever been in a

(42:47):
city with an actual downtown would kind of go, this
is a downtown. But yeah, for the most part, there's
a river, there's the packers, and there's pretty much nothing else.
But it's fun and it's great and it's the packers
and you love it because it's Green Bay. Okay, so,
uh you roll in? Are you going to tailgate? Are
you working the whole time? I'm sail game right now.

(43:08):
I'm having a spotted cow as we speak, a spotted cat.
What's the spotted cow? I have no idea what you're talking.
Oh my goodness, sir, you really need to get to
Green Bay. And how is one of the beverages. One
of the beer is made by a Wisconsin based brewery
called New Glaris. Uh, spotted cow is like their signature beer.
Did you ask anybody who covers the NFL, like, what's

(43:29):
your favorite local beer? Almost everybody, We'll tell you Spotted
Cow in Green Bay in Wisconsin is a palett with styling.
I don't like palet. No, it's not a pale l is.
You just gotta have it. It's just gorgeous. How many
are you? How many are you? I'm not about three.
I'm on my third. I love it. This is gonna
be a great interview. I'm not after the game, I'll

(43:51):
have my old fashion. I mean what's gone very very
Wisconsin is an old fashioned place as well. I thought
that was mad Men. I thought those mad Men was
was old fashioned. That is mad Men as well. But yeah, no, no, no,
the old fashions in Wisconsin are are I mean it's
ubiquitous as cheese and beer. Okay, so then then do
you like stroll over to the stadium about what time
to start to start? Like actually tailgating? Yeah, which is

(44:13):
across the street from where that right now? A Lot
one is where you want to be a lot one.
They have the most hardcore tailgaters there. I'll hit that
probably games at seven twenty local time. I'll probably hit
that about six. I would say, you're are you bigger
than Aikman? Like if you walk around there's like far oh, Desmond,

(44:36):
Desmond Howard, like Desmond Howard far then you write like
listen and just all honestly. Co founder of cheese Head TV.
Follow him on Twitter at Aaron Aaron a N A G. L. E.
R Um. I mean, look, there's a place, if you
ever come out to southern California's place called Holland's Head

(44:56):
Deli in my hometown, Orange, California. And it's hardcore pack
owned by a hardcore packers fan his entire family and
tonight and they have all kinds of beer. I bet
they have spotted cow there as well, and great great sandwiches.
And I've been through there, and that's how they get
all their packer information is through you. So you're you're big,

(45:19):
all right? What's I know the number one question everybody
wants to ask you, what's wrong with their offense? Well,
they're close, They're close. It's it hasn't been hard to watch,
There's no doubt about that. But they are close. You've
seen fits and spurts. You know, you saw the twenty
one point explosion in the first quarter against the Vikings.
They clearly came out last week against the Broncos scored,

(45:40):
you know, promptly scored a touchdown and then struggled kind
of intermittently throughout the rest of the game. They are close.
I think they need to stop doing too much. I
think they're trying to do everything that was successful for
Aaron Rodgers when he was with McCarthy. They're trying to
implement one the Fleurs brought as far as the McVeigh
and Shanahan offense, and they're just kind of all over

(46:01):
the map. I think if they pare it down a
little bit, pay attention to the details, you'll start to
see more consistency because they they've clearly shown that they
can move the ball. I mean, the Minnesota Vikings are
a really good defense, and they cut through them like
butter that first quarter of that game, so it can
be done. It's just they kind of shoot themselves in
the foot repeatedly. They're they've gotten into way too many

(46:22):
second and longs. They've been terrible on third down because
of it. Once they start getting a little more efficient,
you know, a little more consistent, then they're gonna start
scoring twenty points on everybody, and then you better look
out because with the addition of what they've got on defense,
now this is a legit team. I I agree with
you I actually think this is a I'm more encouraged
that the defense is this good and this athletic. Uh,

(46:46):
then I'm worried about the offense, all right, That's I
and I I guess my only concern is this with
Aaron Rodgers. Is he too much Wayne Brady? And by
Wayne Brady, I mean Wayne Brady unbelievable at obvisation. Wayne
Brady is not a script guy, right, and I do
think this is an offense that follows the script a

(47:07):
lot more than allows for improv Ultimately, does that become
an issue, Yeah, I doubt it does, because right now,
I think you've definitely seen him improving, as you say,
like turning things down and trying to make stuff happen,
to stay outside the pocket or whatever. But I do
think he's playing extremely smart football. He knows for the
first time in his career, really he's got a defense

(47:29):
that he can count on. He's got a defense that
he's going to get him more opportunities. You look at
that game last week as a perfect example. When you
look at what they did against Denver this whole season,
They've got twenty one points off turnovers. Uh, you know,
two of those touchdowns came last week against the Broncos
on short fields. He knows so as you know, as
frustrating as it might be to watch him, say on

(47:50):
some of these busted r p o s or plays
outside the pocket where he's just throwing it into the
dirt kind of living to play another down, he's not
forcing it. He's never gonna throw up because he knows, Oh,
my defense has got my back. I'm gonna pump this ball.
I'm gonna pump this possession and I know there's a
good chance I'm gonna get the football back. It's not
pretty to watch, but it's really smart football. I think

(48:13):
that's the one thing that people have really haven't talked
about are given him credit for early on this year.
It's funny we actually did yesterday was we pointed out,
you know, we we actually had John Elway on and
John Elways said, one of the biggest issues is they've
trailed almost the entire season. The Packers have only trailed
for six minutes, right and when you when you have
the lead, it's like Tiger Woods with the lead. He
didn't need to go for you know, eagle to you know,

(48:35):
when you have when you have the lead with that defense. Yes,
that's the other thing. If you have a lead and
you know, you know it's not even I hope, I
know my defense is going to keep me in this game,
then you don't have to take chances, you don't have
to force it, you don't have to try and be
a hero. Just throw it in the dirt. Live to
play another down. Um, all right, so you're you're fired
up tonight. Your your thoughts on the Eagles and on

(48:57):
the matchup with the Packers. I wish they were healthy.
And I know that sounds weird because obviously I want
I want the Packers to win, but I wish the
Eagles were healthy because I'd love to get their best shot.
I do think this is a really tough ask for them,
short week on the road. You're they're very banged up. Um,
I know, al stand, Jeffrey is supposed to play. You

(49:17):
know clearly that they've got you know, they've got Darby
down at corner. But I still think Carson Wentz is
by star the toughest test this defense is will have
faced early on this year. Um, they've left The Packers
defense has gotten away with a few open guys who
have been missed Kirk Cousins missed guys last week, Black
Oh miss guys. So they can't leave those guys open

(49:39):
this week because Wentz will make them pay. Wentz is
hyper talented. He can hit pretty much anywhere on the
field from any platform, and he's he's a total bear
to bring down. So as as great as this Packers
defense has played, this will be undoubtedly the toughest, you know,
challenge they faced so far. Early on in the season.

(50:00):
All Right, spotted cal a couple of broots in the
in the in the parking lot. Do you you're technically
a member of the media. Do you do the press box?
Do you just go to your seat? Oh? I I
kind of changes from week to week. Sometimes we do
watch parties for Chief at TV on YouTube. Sometimes last
week I was in the press box. I am actually

(50:20):
as we speak, still debating whether to go to the
press box or to watch it at my buddy's house.
So we'll see watch it at the buddy's house. I
guess you've seen himough games from Lambeau. You want to
see it's better on TV than it is. Well, you know,
I'm literally across the street. He owns a house across
the street. My my co founder chiefs at tv SO
and I had offers to like sit in the stadium,
which I again, I'm juggling here. I'm juggling. I may

(50:43):
do that too. I don't know, I don't know. I've
got a lot, I've got a lot to uh lots
of digest here in the next few hours. This is like,
there's only two more Detroit, Oakland, and I guess you
know all that. I'm coming back December. The one I'm
really looking forward to is the Bear Bears. Yeah, Bears
also on Fox. Bears Bears coming up to take on

(51:04):
the pack want to be in the stands for I
may join you. It's a Fox game, I may join.
Let me see what my schedule, find out what a
spotted cow is. I definitely can pound abrot or two
and I will be with the celebrity who's there next?
If you want to anything about the Packers, I'm just
telling you it's a it's a rare treat to have
him on. We gotta have one more often. But I mean,

(51:25):
you know more about the Packers than just about anybody
I know and get fair analysis. Thanks so what for
joining us? Absolutely thanks a check out cheese head TV
and follow him on Twitter at Aaron Nagler. I always
love that. Is there a place Ramos that? I mean,
since you haven't been on a plane, there's lots of
places you want to go. I have been on a plane, dog,
just not since oh No. Two thousand five, two thousands
of five. I which to Michigan with my wife to

(51:48):
see my sister in law, but that was last time.
There's there's lots of places I want to go on
this earth. There's very few sports places I want to go.
That's one of them. We gotta make that happen. Mark
Schlaire joins the show. Coming next, I'll get his thoughts
on tonight's game. Plus does he think the Melvin Gordon
uh holdout ends up becoming a new narrative for the NFL.

(52:13):
We'll discuss next. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug dot Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern three
pm Pacific Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. I got
a lot to ask on march Laire, three times Super
Bowl champion, NFL on Fox analyst. Um. Best thing about
having him on, though, is he he does games every week? Right,

(52:33):
does games every week? So Seahawks Cardinals. Right this week,
Cardinals this week? Who was it last week's stink? Remind me? Uh,
last week I had Raiders Raiders? Uh Minnesota last week? Sorry?
All right, um, let's let's start with Minnesota. Last week
you told us how impressive, how impressive you thought the

(52:53):
Minnesota Vikings were on tape. What were your impressions of
them in person? Yeah? I think, Uh, I think a
couple of things. One Defensively, you look at them, all
three levels of their defense are outstanding. They've got great
defensive lineman like Joseph like uh Griffin. You've got linebackers
like Eric Hendricks. You've got a safety like Harrison Smith,

(53:14):
and guys that could play I mean all three levels.
And they've got guys you look at their defense, everybody five, six, seven,
eight years, nine years, all on their second conferences and
keeping all those guys together. The continuity of that defense
under Zim has been absolutely, um unbelievable, Zim being, of course,
their head coach, Mike Zimmer, So they've been great from

(53:35):
a continuity standpoint. They really are aggressive. I think one
of the big things with this offense is obviously they're transitioning,
but they're a run first offense, and you're talking about
a matchup against the Raiders, who are a top five
run defense. They were only given up sixty three yards
to carry in Minnesota, put up well over two hundred
yards rushing on them. So, um, they're pretty special that

(53:58):
Dalvin Cook they're running back. Let me just tell you, Like,
he's a guy that can take it to the house
every single time. But a speed guy like that, you
don't think of as a between the tackles guy. Man,
I'm telling you, he fits that zone running system. Put
his foot in the ground, cut back against the grain,
and punish people the point of attack. I was just
thoroughly impressed with with the way they played on both

(54:20):
sides of the football. Yeah. No, listen, I mean there
there have been a lot of people that said, you know, quietly,
Dalvin Cook might might be the best back in the
league so far this season. Um. But what's interesting about
it is, you know, they've had so many issues with
the offensive line, some injuries in the past. Is the
offensive line that much better or is it just Dalvin
Cook is able to hide some of the witnesses. No,

(54:42):
I think you know, I think um Bradberry, the kid
they drafted to play center. Um, he's like, he's a
really good player and he's going to get better and better.
He's an unbelievably gifted athlete, very tenacious, and that gave
them the opportunity, um to uh to move LF line
to guard who had been playing center for them. So

(55:04):
they've gotten a lot better as an offensive line in general.
So yeah, I think there are a lot better. And
of course, when you have a back like Dalvin Cook
makes them from multitude sins and you know, and and
it'll take a lot of pressure off of Kirk's cousins,
uh you know where or Kirk Cousins has been you know,
really accurate and really good at times. There's a learning

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curve that goes with being part of a new offense.
But um, he'll take a back seat a little bit
to this running game. And I think he's gonna be
happy with that. I think he'll be okay with that.
He's an unselfish guy and uh, and he'll reap the benefits.
He won't put up as big a numbers as he
normally puts up, but but he'll probably you know that
the wind total will be a lot better. I believe
Mark Layer three times group Bowl champion NFL On Fox,

(55:46):
analysts joins us, what about the Raiders. You mentioned how
they couldn't stop the run. On paper, Derek Carr's numbers
look pretty good. Did have one interception? How did he
actually play? From your perspective? Well, I think, I mean,
I think he's I think he's played really well all
season long. I mean, I think what you get into

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with the Open Raiders is they are much more talented
than they used to be. And here's what talent does
for you, Doug. Like, when you have talent, you can
line up in situations where everybody knows what you're gonna do,
and you can still out execute people because you have
enough talent. When you don't have talent, you have to
trick people to win. That's what you have to do.

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And they've got much better talent, but they lack a
depth of talent. And so one of the issues that
they've had is they need a Z receiver. They thought
they found a Z receiver in Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown
obviously didn't work out because he didn't want to be there.
So they went from starting Ryan Grant in week two

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to not even dressing him as the Z receiver in
week three. So there's a lack of depth of talent
with the Oakland Raiders, and that's one of the issues
they have. They're far more talented on tape than they
were a year ago, but they still lack um elite
level talent in all positions. So there's a few positions
that are lacking and that really is is their biggest

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problem right now as a football team in general. Mark
Larry Jonas three times for bull Champion, NFL and Fox analysts.
All right, the Arizona Cardinals, I know you're doing your
prep for your game. Uh, let's let's start with the offense.
Will it work? Um? No? Not? I mean long term? No.
I mean you look at them right now, Doug. They're

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on pace to give up eighty five stacks. Eighty to
the record in the NFL has seventy six stacks. And
I believe that was David Carr. And how long did
David Carr last? You get hit that many times, eventually
you get shell shocked. I don't care who you are.
Eighty five stacks, Um, that's that's what they're on pace
to do when you are constantly in spread, constantly in

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empty sets, and most of what they do because they
don't know how to protect. They don't have the players,
the referenceive players to line up in heavy personnel or
pace personnel and cram it down anybody's throat. Their whole
game is spreading people out wide and putting every offensive
lineman in a one on one situation. You can't that

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doesn't work. We can't survive, especially with the defensive the
athletes we have on the defensive side of the football.
So UM, not a lot of route combinations either. It's
all underneath. It's all throw slants and throw quick outs
and throw you know, the stick crowds and the slants
and those type of things. That's what they do as
an offense, and like that, that is not a recipe

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for long term success. You'll put a couple of drives
together and there'll be times when you're hitting things and
that will work for you, but the bottom line is
you'll go through lolls in that where you're out of sync,
you're out of rhythm, and you'll have four or five
three and ounce in a row, and you know, you'll
have four or five in completions in a row, and
it just doesn't work long term. From UM, So I

(59:01):
don't I don't believe that that's gonna be. I don't
think that's gonna be a long term success situation there
in in Arizona. Alright, what about what about the Seattle Seahawks.
What's wrong? Well, I mean what's wrong? I would say
that you know, ultimately, they lose a game against New Orleans,
and I know they played a tight game in Pittsburgh.

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They lose a game in New Orleans where they gave
up a punt return right off the bat for a touchdown.
Then they gave it. They came back and scored it
up seven and seven, and then they give up a
fumble return. Um Chris Carson was. I mean, he was
on the ground more than grass in that game. He
could not keep his feet. He fell down about eight times.

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He's the one that fumbled had that return. I mean
you look at them like people say, well, what's wrong?
Like they gave up two hundred sixty five total yards
of offense to New Orleans and New Orleans scored what
thirty three points on them or or something of that nature.
Like I look at it and said, I don't. I
don't look at them as what it's wrong. I just
look at them as playing a game that we all saw,

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you know, a late game on Fox on Sunday or
was it on Fox? It may not have been on Fox. Uh,
it doesn't matter. A late game on Sunday that all
of us saw, and the bottom line was they just
didn't play very well. I mean, offensively, it put up
five some od yards of offense um, but you know,
they're running backs fell down a couple of times. And
really the bottom line for a team that is a

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sure tackling team, it was one of the first times
I've ever put Seattle on film where they did not
tackle well. And part of that was they just didn't
tackle well. And the other part of that was a
guy by the name of Alvin Kamara. Who is that
guys is about as greasy as you get when it
comes to trying to tackle that dude. Ye cannot cannot
possibly bring him down. Want to ask you about Melvin Gordon.

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He ended his holdout today and showed up at Chargers camp. Um.
You know, so oftentimes players celebrate only the victories, right
like Zeillett holds out. Look got this huge contract. Another guy, Uh,
this is a clear loss for the same position. Does
this change the narrative at all about kind of the
new age of the NFL and players being empowered. Uh No,

(01:01:13):
I don't think it. I don't think it changes. I
think you have to understand you. I think you have
to be realistic about your value of the football team. Um, like,
you know, you're you're you're comparing to me, everybody the
narrative out there is comparing apple to apples. You know,
we're comparing the running back position. Um, you know, to me,
you're you're comparing an apple to a lemon. When it

(01:01:33):
comes to Ezekiel e versus Melvin Gordon, and Melvin Gordon's
eight fine player, don't get me wrong, but Ezekiel it's
one of the best in the business. And I mean,
I don't think they're close. So you know, I mean,
like and the way the Dallas Cowboys have been constructed.
They're constructed with this big, physical offensive line. You know too,

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that they want to run the ball instead of the
play action and stuff. Let's face it, the charges are
being constructed with Philip Rivers in mind. So you know,
different situations, two different players, and they're not I mean,
they're not even they're not congruent. They're not the same.
So that's just completely different the way I look at
those two positions. So, yeah, he didn't win, but it

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doesn't change the narrative that if you've got you know,
if you've got elite level talent um, then you have
an opportunity to, you know, to to flex your muscles
a little bit in the league. How fixable of the
Brown's issues? Um, that's a great Yeah, that's a great question.
I mean, what what's important to you? Are are you

(01:02:35):
worried about, you know, building the brand. Are you worried
about what Rex Ryan says or what I say? You
know what I mean? For Baker Mayfield, I look at
that situation, you know, clapping back at Rex Ryan. Dude,
you have put one little tiny dribble of fists in
the bucket Rex Ryant, and still that thing up three
times over with his career. So I would suggest that
you quit worrying about what Rex Ryan says or what

(01:02:57):
I say or what you say, and you might want
to focus on being a football player. And so the Browns, like,
expectations are tough. When you have expectations and you think
you can just load up with talent and you're just
gonna out talent people, everybody's talented and I get it,
oh dell, bet them Junior is a freak show. But
one of the guys you traded away in the offseason
was your best offensive lineman in Zeitler. And you went

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from giving up like like four your passes ended in
faster pressures last year nine points something so far in
the first three games this year. So you know, understand
what builds a football team and just having a bunch
of flashy, talented guys is not what makes a great
football team. And so they're gonna have to put their

(01:03:40):
nose in the grindstone and essentially quit worrying about the
outside world and quit worrying about, you know, about how
many commercials you're in, and quit worrying about all the flash.
Like when I go to a steak restaurant, I don't
remember to play a sizzle. I want some damn steak, right,
And and they seem to be way more about the
sizzle than they are at the steak. And until the
six that issue, which I don't think is you know,

(01:04:02):
I think that's a systemic problem within the organization. I
just don't think they're gonna win. March Laire, three time
Super Bowl champion, never shy on opinions, of course, joining
us on Fox Sports Radio stink awesome stuff. Thanks so
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At this time, we'd like to play for you a
portion of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio or
Fox Sports One. We call it and Now. Joe Theisman
changed his name to Joe Sighs been to Ryan with
Heisman when he's in college. That is a true story.
He also won a Super Bowl as quarterback of the
washing Redskins, and of course famously broke his leg or

(01:05:08):
Lawrence Telee broke his leg um. He is an aficionado
on all things Redskins. Here are his thoughts in their
quarterback situation. Daniel Jones for example, he wins a football
game because the kid miss a kick. If he loses
that football game, let's say the Giants lose. Are we
talking about Daniel the same way that we're talking about
him now having won his first football game. Probably not.

(01:05:30):
But you saw glimpses of athleticism that you haven't seen
at that position with that team in a long time.
So I think that's all the Giants are doing is
they're they're showing their fan base there is hope, this
is our future. And you know that's why I went
back to the Dwayne Haskins, Like, at what point does
management Daniel Snyder say, I gotta get people back in
the stands here, and I'm gonna go to Dwayne Haskins

(01:05:51):
to let them see the future. So I I think
if you win, Dan, if you win, you're gonna get
people in the stands. They lost, but seven of the
last I think at the end of the season we've
lost three to row. Now it's a fan base that
is is tired. They're looking for something to get excited about,
and you're right putting Dwayne would excite them, but if

(01:06:12):
he's not ready to go, that excitement would be very
short lived. And you would subject him to a possible
beating both mentally and physically that could affect him going forward.
That's the big concern with Daniel Jones is that he
just he's not as developed as some of these guys.
Sorry Dwayne Haskins. Who wasn't we talked to yesterday Jordan's um.

(01:06:35):
I think it was Jordan Palmer who said, like, look,
Daniel Jones has been developed for the last five years.
It was two days ago. He even developed for the
last five years. Like he's worked with David Cutcliffe. He
you know, he was, He's been in the Elite eleven camp,
He's been with the Mannings and their family football camp.
Like he's been developed over time. He played at Duke

(01:06:55):
and so even though he didn't have the numbers of
Dwayne Haskins, you don't understand how many, how many different
scenarios he's seen and how much dressed he's been under.
So he knows how to protect himself, he knows how
to get rid of the football, Like he's just seeing
more and played more football and been trained more for
this moment. It doesn't mean that Dwayne Haskins won't ultimately

(01:07:15):
be a good quarterback, but Dwayne Haskins played one season
this quarterback, and they went a dramatic talent advantage to
everybody they played against. Like, look, he was the answer
to what would I Meer's offense look like if he
actually had a guy who could throw the ball downfield?
He could, but he also had a ton of time.
It wasn't a pro system, and as Urban Meyer's former
head coach said, he's just gonna need time. So I

(01:07:38):
would think the Redskins know what they're doing. We may
have this call, and we may think all young quarterbacks
are created equal, but the fact is they're not. And Joe, thisman,
speaking not just from personal experience, but also his knowledge
of the team and his knowledge of what the organization
is saying, is giving you the real layout, which, by
the way, is everything we've heard from Irvin Meyer say,

(01:08:02):
I think tonight's a fascinating Thursday night game. I don't
think it's so early in the season that everybody's super
banged up, although the Eagles injuries are a major issue.
But but I I do feel like tonight's a fascinating game.
Packers got a chance to go out to a four
no start, and they haven't played well yet offensively. What

(01:08:23):
happens if they click offensively right, then there's Carson Wentzuh
many people have decided they're not playing well. Eight three
yards passing, six touchdowns, two interceptions to passer rating. Should
be pointed out that his team leads the league in
drops and both of the past two games could have

(01:08:44):
been one if not for two or three or even
four huge drops or guys, you know, Zach Hurts against
Atlanta runs short of the sticks. Here's Daniel Jeremiah from
the NFL Network when I asked him why Carson Palmer
wasn't Carson Palmer Carson Wentz wasn't playing that well. I
think Carson Wentz playing really well. I think he's played

(01:09:06):
like M v P caliber level. Well, it's seven drop
balls in that game the other day. I think he's
the least of their problems. They can't rush the passer.
That that's that's their that's their issue right now. They've
got to find a way to get home because, in
Jim Schwartz's defense, if your front four doesn't get home,
I mean, that's the that's the that's the lifeblood of
that scheme. So they don't have the secondary personnel on

(01:09:28):
the outside of the corner position to hold up if
their fronts not getting home and uh and right now
that hasn't happened. So that's that's issue number one for
the Philadelphia Eagles. Very interesting, you know because so many
of us we we only watch football and red zone, right, Like,
how do you play? I don't know. I saw him
red zone a little bit. He looked, okay, you know,

(01:09:48):
stats are okay, six touchdow. I look at what Mahomes
is doing. Yeah, all right, And like Mahomes is without
his top two wide receivers out one of them. But
they have a much greater depth of talent at that issue,
and they're wired totally differently. So coming up next, we're
gonna get you ready for baseball's playoffs season with the

(01:10:09):
cy Young Award winner Barry Zito joins us to talk
about his moments in the playoffs with the A's with
the Giants and his personal journey. Next to The Doug
Gotlip Show, be sure to catch live editions so the
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(01:10:31):
Radio Music. Do you have your pick for tonight's game.
I don't want you give it away. Do you have
your pick ready? Running the numbers, Doug, It's it's gonna
be a heck of a matchup. But I do think
I know who I'm going with Ramos, how about you?
But I do yes, Dan Buyer, who of course is
the only UH guy ever born in the state of Wisconsin,

(01:10:51):
grays in the state of Wisconsin, who doesn't actually like
the Packers. He's a hater. I'm kidding, he's not a hater.
But he'll join us as well. He'll give us his picks.
We got our picks. Plus we're gonna take it a Vegas.
Up coming next r J Bel Pregame dot Com and
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to that. That's r J Bell given more on UH,

(01:11:11):
why Jalen Ramsey's latest story is believable but makes everything
else completely unbelievable, and why Melvin Gordon is totally screwed
as we told you'd be totally screwed. That all upcoming,
but let's change gears to baseball music. Did you want
do you even watch the angels anymore, like there's no

(01:11:34):
you just you're done, Like I'm done. I'm done, I'm finished,
it's over. It's always that. It's Ova, Johnny, that's the drop.
You always played the to Ova Johnny. Well, they were
celebrations galore, and one of the big celebrations was obviously
I've seen it, where the the the the A's almost

(01:11:55):
need a personal day after the way they celebrated. They
won their ninety five game last night and clinched clinched
their their birth in the playoffs. They did so behind
Matt Chapman's thirty five home run the top of the
ninth inning. Really remarkable what Billy Bean has been able
to do. Of course, they first rose to prominence, uh
not just with the moneyball era, but also they had

(01:12:16):
a Big three of pictures. Right. He probably doesn't get
enough credit because moneyball became about walks and on base percentage.
He's a cy Young Award winner, a World Series champion.
He's Barry Zito. He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show,
and his new book is called Curveball How I Discovered
fulfillment after chasing fortune and fame. Barry, thanks so much
for taking time. I want to get into your new

(01:12:37):
book in a moment. But with the A's clinching a
playoff spot last night, what what memories are stirred up
for you? Yeah? Well, first, I mean, you know, Billy
Bean and and all the way down, they've just figured
out some type of formula for you know, having having
good quality budgets and and even better teams, and somehow

(01:12:57):
they just managed to do it every year. I mean
it's just inable for me. So, um, you know, all
those good feelings stirrup when I start watching them going
into playoffs again. And that's what we were doing in
two thousand and all those years. And uh, you know,
there's just nothing like playoff baseball, and especially in the coliseum. Man, yeah,
you mentioned nothing like playoff baseball where every pitch does
in fact matter. Um, if you could take a pit

(01:13:20):
is there a pitch you would take back from the
playoffs that year? Oh? Yeah, I would take. Uh. Let's see.
It was two thousand and three, Uh, and it was
Game five of the A L d S. I was
pitching against Pedro Martinez and I gave up a three
run homer to Manny Ramirez. I'll never forget it he uh,
he hit the homer, and I was watching the ball
go over the left field wall, and of course I

(01:13:42):
turned back around, you know, five seconds later, and he's
not even a first base yet. So of course I'm like,
come on, man, get around those bases. But I definitely
would have taken that pitch back when when you realize
some of the things those hitters were doing back in
the day, is there is there any uh, is there
any negative feelings about about the level of fair and
about the level level playing field or lack thereof. You know,

(01:14:03):
It's funny because on this side of it, Yeah, I
mean I definitely, I definitely do wish that, you know,
it was more of an even playing field, you know,
and that was kind of as I was coming up
and through most of my career was was in that era,
and of course at the time, we just didn't know.
It was just baseball as usual. And you know, I
think everything kind of happens perfectly the way I should
and we always learned from our mistakes and what we

(01:14:23):
can do better in the future. But um, I'm just
glad I didn't know at the time you went through
something a friend of mine went through in San Francisco
where you want a World Series ring, but you didn't
pitch for the World Series for somebody who's as accomplished
as you are, and you want to great pictures in
your era in the game. What's that like emotionally to
go through? I mean, it was the hardest time in

(01:14:46):
my life, you know, And and I get into these
kind of really dark details in the book about you know,
I lost my mother in O AID and I lost
my father in thirteen. But you know, I gotta be honest,
nothing rocked me to the core, like you know, being
left off that World Series roster and watching my team
win the exact World Series that I was paid to
bring over there, you know, to bring them to as

(01:15:08):
a giant, and uh, you know, for me, it kind
of it just cracked my whole worldview. Everything I thought
I knew about life and and myself just fell apart.
And you know I had to pick those pieces back
up books called Curveball by Barries, you know how I
discovered true fulfillment after chasing fortune and fame. He joins
in the Dug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
A good portion of it is dedicated to your relationship

(01:15:30):
with your father, What was what was he like with
when you were growing up. Yeah, I mean, you know,
my father was an incredible, you know, loving, supportive father,
and you know, he had his own kind of darkness
that he came from. He actually was a product of
a rape back when he was born. His his mother
was a fourteen year old girl who actually got assaulted

(01:15:51):
by her stepfather. And so, you know, writing a little
bit about where he came from and the shame that
he grew up in, and of course they were trying
to hide him in the back of the you know,
in the house in New York when family would come over,
because he was kind of just a forgotten child, and so,
you know, he had his own journeys with self worth
and I think he unconsciously, you know, transferred those onto me,

(01:16:12):
and so I ended up trying to perform, you know,
for approval to him and the world in my career.
You know, it's interesting. So my dad obviously did not
have that sort of upbringing, but he was you know,
he was a walk on in college playing basketball, and
he became a high school coach, became a college coach,
and like he was, he was my mentor growing up,
and I don't know. You know, he passed away a

(01:16:33):
couple of years ago. I don't know. You know, some
would say he tried to live through me. Um. I
just think he tried to give me opportunities he he
thought he deserved and he didn't get. But it wasn't
It was a it was a complex relationship and it's
one now. My son is a left handed pitcher. He's
a very good athlete, and it's one that's really as
a father, how do you parent in comparison to how

(01:16:56):
your dad parented? Yeah, I mean it's a great question,
and I think that you know, as as parents that
were wants children, you know, we try to undo some
of the damage that was done to us, even if
it was unconscious by our parents. And you know, for me,
I might go a little too far on the side of,
you know, don't push him into anything, because I know
some of the the you know, the backlash I guess
in me that happened from you know, almost on a

(01:17:19):
military schedule, you know, practicing baseball for so many years. Um.
So for me, I I you know, I want my
son to do what he loves, and of course I'm
going to give him every every opportunity and all the support,
but I just don't want him to forget that, you know,
sports or whatever he gets into is you know, not
as important as as family and God and the real

(01:17:39):
stuff in life. You know, how did you how did
you find how do you find peace? Yeah? So for me,
you know, I get into a little bit of the
spiritual background for me, but I was raised in kind
of a different upbringing. And of course, you know, if
we focus on this and work hard enough, you know,
and we can we can have anything we want, you know,
if we just work hard enough. And so that was great,

(01:17:59):
you know, to see the world like that while I
was winning cy Young's in Oakland. But when everything begin
to collapse around me, you know in San Francisco, Uh,
I needed I needed help. I mean, I couldn't rely
on myself anymore. And and it took me a lot
of pain to get to that point where I could
admit that. But once I did, you know, in came
this kind of this greater strength and this relationship with God.

(01:18:21):
And you know, I think I was just too uh,
too cocky and arrogant to ever ask for help. What
about your music? How is how has that helped the
music was always a cathartic thing for me. You know,
I'd come home after these bad games for years in
San Francisco and pick up the guitar and just you know,
strum some chords or write some you know, some lyrics
or something, and sing some melodies. And that was always

(01:18:42):
something that just balanced me because uh, well, you know,
I got into some other bad habits trying to escape
all the pain as well. But I don't know where
I'd be without that guitar. I'll tell you what, what's
the worst haven you get into? Um? I think trying
to escape all the you know, childhood, the military type
of practice regiment. You know, I got into some heavy

(01:19:04):
drugs in high school and selling drugs, and and then
you know, as an adult, I got into you know,
abusing certain things drugs and alcohol and you know, um,
chasing women and just really hoping that everything would give
me that peace and contentment that I wanted. And of
course it wasn't anywhere I thought it was going to
be in mansions and sports cars, and it was nowhere
to be found, really, and so how and so in addition,

(01:19:26):
you have religion, you have your kids, but you also
have your wife. How does How does that how she
brought you balance? She just for me, she would just
enabled me to have perspective and to realize that, you know,
I had this death grip on you know, being successful
in the world and I needed that so bad, or

(01:19:47):
at least I thought I did. And so she really
helped me just to understand that, you know, there's this beautiful,
loving presence that you know that I can come to
for help. And um, she actually told me one day,
I was surrounded in my you know, five or six
self help books, you know, from Barnes and Noble. I
was just on the bed reading all of them at
the same time, and she said, you need to put

(01:20:07):
all those books away and just read this book. And she,
you know, she handed me a Bible and that was
kind of the first time I ever did that, and
it was really interesting. Yeah, it's it's it's it's fascinating,
like like, this is a writing this book and it
had to be what was it? I mean, I'm sure
it was cathartic on some levels, but what's what's the
process like of going through so many, uh, really difficult

(01:20:29):
details at times to read when you consider what's being shared,
you know, for me, I mean, I just feel like
being authentic, being vulnerable, you know, those are the things
that that we can all identify with it. And I
know that when other people tell their story and they
just they don't hold anything back and they just talk
about the you know, the darkest, you know, worst corners
of their life and and things that you know, maybe

(01:20:51):
before they were ashamed to mention. I feel very connected
and I see myself in the story. And so that
was my goal was just to share everything and you know,
talk about the worst times when you know, I was
rooting against my own team, you know, because my ego
was just panicking and you know, just bad dark stuff.
But um, I feel like there's so much growth we
can make as as people, you know, when we share

(01:21:13):
that stuff. All Right, I gotta ask l baseball questions here. Yeah,
the curveball, right, I mean, you're forever known for having
one of the remarkable curveballs in Major League Baseball history.
All Right, you you're you're on the mound, you're in
the stretch. Um, take me through the process of throwing
a curveball. Yeah, so you know, um, well you just

(01:21:37):
have to obviously, you gotta have confidence in it. You
gotta trust it. But more than anything, it's just about rotation. Um,
the faster you make that ball rotate and the tighter
you know, it spins on that access, the more it's
going to cut through the air and drop. So you know,
for me, whenever I lost my curveball, I would actually
take two baseballs together with athletic tape and try to
flip it so it perfectly rotated end over end, and uh,

(01:22:01):
you know, my thought process was pulled down on that
seam as hard as you possibly can and hear that
perfect little you know, that noise right off the top
of that scene right there. Yeah, the So obviously it's
not with you as I tended to. It's uh, what
is it? What I'm trying to think? Six twelve to six?
So what's your what's your grip? Like? My grip was

(01:22:24):
actually learned how to throw that pitch from this book
called The Art of Pitching that Tom Siever wrote, and
as a kid, I picked it up and there was
a picture of a curveball, but it was gripped by
a right handed picture, and so I gripped it with
my left hand and probably got it backwards and I
ended up holding it. You know differently than I hold
any than I've ever met, you know, a curveball pitcher
in my life. But it worked for me and the

(01:22:45):
way I gripped it as I just held it on
the left side of the horseshoe and I would split
the scene with my first and second finger. And most
pictures would throw it off their second finger, but I
threw it off my first finger. Huh, that is interesting.
Most of them are our second fingers. So there's a
little Jimmy Hendry to it, right, like Jimmy Hendricks left handed,
and he would instead of gain a left handed guitar,
did he play the guitar upside down? Wasn't that? Wasn't

(01:23:06):
that his? I think that that was his thing. So
there's a little bit. There's a little bit of that
and how you learn to play a creer like instead
of learning to throw a curveball like a lefty, you
learned throw a curveball like a right even though your
left handed. That's great, that's totally dead on, man. Yeah,
I think he picked he. I think he played a
right handed guitar upside down because that's the only one
he could afford at the time, and it just worked out.
Perfect for him. Um, what what is that feeling like

(01:23:28):
to throw the perfect curveball where you literally see the
guy's knees buckle or they just there think maybe they're
thinking fastball, especially it's a it's a lefty and he
thinks it's coming right at him. What is, honest to goodness,
what's that feeling like? Yeah? I mean that there was
really no film like that in the world. Um, and
I think for me it was it was one thing
to make the left hander kind of buckle and duck

(01:23:49):
out of the way because he thought he was getting
hit with the ball, you know, in the head or
the shoulder. But when you could make the right handed
hitter get the jelly legs and flinch, that's when you
knew something was right. Man. That is is so awesome. Um.
You obviously ended your career as an a you know
those seven innings, uh, in your last season, coming back
through through through triple A. UM playoff season, they're back Bocchi. Bocchi.

(01:24:14):
By the way, he's gonna retire, which is just crazy, right,
I mean, just amazing A guy I thought would never
although when you see him move to the mountain back
you realize why he's he's shutting it down. Um, will
you do you still have a love for baseball? Like
do you? Because I know some guys when things end poorly,
they don't they won't watch anymore playoff baseball aser on
will you watch? Yeah? Absolutely? Man, I'm so grateful that

(01:24:38):
I have a good relationship with the game. And you know,
fans may not understand how you know it feels sometimes
when you you don't really do all the things you
want to do in your career, and you know, even
with you know, financial freedom and uh World Series rings,
you know, it can be hard to watch the game
because it's a reminder of what you didn't do. But
for me, I'm really at a place where I can

(01:24:58):
accept my story, you know, the it in the bad,
and know that I'm better for it. And man, baseball
just it's it's it calms me down when it's on
in the house. Man, I just feel something just goes down.
My blood pressure goes down. I think. Well. In the
book is the redemption of two thousand twelve. Obviously, the
trials and tribulations before and after the two thousand ten playoffs,
the stuff with your dad, the superstardom and finding purpose

(01:25:21):
in your life. It's an amazing book and I can't
believe you were man enough to share it with the world.
It's called Curveball, How I Discover True Fulfillment After Chasing
Fortune and Fame, authored by Cy Young Award winner and
two time World Series Champion Barry Zito. Very great to
catch up. Thanks so much for joining us, Thanks so
much for having me. Pleasure is all mine. From there,
we'll turn to r J. Bell. Get you ready for

(01:25:42):
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(01:26:04):
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(01:26:49):
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Let's talk about tonight, shall we? Thursday Night Football on
Big Fox? And um should be pointed out that uh, like, look,
this will do a big number because Aaron Rodgers, Eagles,

(01:27:12):
Carson Wentz and the first NFL game on Thursday Night
on Fox of of the year, one of the what's
what's the numbers as of now? Well, I gotta tell
you I love this game. This is one of my
favorite games of the season so far. To bat right now?
Green Bay favored by four four points at home. Total
is forty six or so forty six over under low

(01:27:38):
scoring game rights. I mean, I don't think so. I
actually I'm not saying that the the number expectations expectations
now green Bay hasn't been you know, only five plays
per possession, they haven't been scoring to offense hasn't been great,
and the Eagles a lot of drop passes. I'm with you.
I love the over in this game as well. Yeah,
and let's think about the teams the green Bay has played,

(01:27:59):
and I would make the following case. If you made
a list of the teams that are significantly better on
defense compared to their own offense, Bears are probably at
the top of that list. One of green Bay's opponents
Broncos pretty high on that list, Vikings pretty high on
that list. So I would say the opponents of green

(01:28:21):
Bay were very much weighted towards defense, which is gonna
depress scoring. Now, on the other hand, I make the
case of green Bay's defense isn't as good as they seem.
I get the Smith brothers, I get the sack count,
and they're improved. But against Trabiskie, against Flacco, the aged Flacco,

(01:28:44):
and let's be candid, if there's one spot Cousins doesn't
do well, and it's on the road in a tough game. Boy,
it feels like this narrative of the d is amazing
for the Pack. The offense and Rogers better step it up.
And I think you're gonna see that to night. Then
if you flip on the other side, Philly is so
banged up still defensive line. And then if you look

(01:29:06):
at Darby out, I think they're gonna struggle big time.
And then the fact that they get back Jeffrey means
I think Wentz is gonna be able to carry them
a little bit. So I really do like the over
sound like the Packers as well. I love the Packers.
And here's the trend of trends when it comes to
this is Thursday night home teams do exceptionally well. But

(01:29:31):
there's a couple of tighteners, as we call it in
the business, that are even more impressive. Number Number one,
non division games. Non division games simply do better for
the home team. Why because prep becomes even more important.
It makes sense that it does. Why because you're not
familiar with the team, it's not a division team, and

(01:29:53):
that's the prep time advantage of the home team. And oh,
by the way, the Packers third straight home games, so
they're arrested too. Here's the amazing stat home favorites non
division Thursday night. All right, it's exactly what we have here.
Seventy against the spread, seventy percent, and that includes about

(01:30:15):
seventy games, So this is in a small sample seventy
games home favorite in Green Bay spot, non division, seventy
against the spread. Wow, that's that's that's that's strong. R
J Bell at r J in Vegas is the Twitter
handle on I got a couple of weekend questions for you.
The It's funny you're pointing out something I talked about
Lamar Jackson, which is quality of competition makes it really

(01:30:38):
hard to determine just how good somebody is. The same
thing with Dak Prescott first couple of weeks in terms
of how bad their schedule is. Chargers only one and
two haven't didn't cover even in their win oh and
three against the line taken on the Dolphins. Who, um,
you know everybody has beaten and covered against I believe right,
you know, I think I think, yes, Dallas ended up covering. Yeah,

(01:30:59):
Dallas up covering. The number is fifteen and a half.
If you were a gambling man. Who if I'm not
a gambling man, I'm not sure what I am, so
I'll take it. I Actually probably my favorite pick of
the week at the current number is the Dolphins. And
here's why. No one wants to play him. I mean,

(01:31:19):
who has any sports fan anyone listening right now? Percent
I'm guessing has heard the stat three games into the
season since the Super Bowl era, the worst point differential,
So the worst team ever? Well, who wants to bet
the worst team ever? But the parrot hawks of marketplaces?
Is the worst team can be overrated or underrated? I

(01:31:43):
think they're underrated. You know why. Part of the Dolphins
under performance early I think was lack of motivation, tons
of trade disruption in the locker room, calling the agent
at halftime kind of stuff. I think finally they're starting
whoever is there is there, and I think they're starting
it a little embarrassed. And I we we saw a
heck of an effort against Dallas, So if the effort

(01:32:05):
is there, I think Miami is underrated because the results
so far partially have to do with a lack of
effort earlier in the season. Well, out thirteen sacks, they're
they're they're averaging two point six yards per rush two
points and not good. Yeah, I mean the weakness of
the Chargers defenses, Uh, is there run defense? And two
point six yards per rushes is is not is not good? Um, okay,

(01:32:30):
I got a couple more for you that that are
I find interesting. Um. I know people are gonna be
all over the Patriots, right, I've seen the numbers that
they're all over the Patriots going into Buffalo take out
the Bills. Bills are three and oh at at home
and still seven point dogs. Do you like the Patriots
like America seems to? You know, here's the thing with Balochick.

(01:32:51):
You know, I always do this mind experiment. If I
was somehow dropped in some future time ten years from now,
let's say, and they said, okay, a, you gotta bet
a certain team go and it's like, well, I don't
have any idea who's winning, you know, unless Belichick's coaching.
I'm like, I have no idea. I would say this
fade the super Bowl winner. If you can just do that,

(01:33:12):
you're gonna be ahead of the game. Why because everyone
loves the super Bowl winner. It's almost the opposite of Miami. Well,
the fact that the Patriots in Belichick, have covered about
six of their spreads, which is number one in the NFL,
and it's not even close since they won their first
Super Bowl tells me that even though they're a public team.

(01:33:34):
The analytics guys can't figure out what Belichick is doing.
Meaning with every other team, Doug that we're able to
break it down and say, okay, if you look at
arts per attempt, you look at this, you look at that,
whatever the algorithm is, we pretty much can connect the statistics,
the underlying statistics to the results. Long term. We cannot
do that with the Patriots. So you know what I do,

(01:33:57):
And I did break this rule last week. I had
the Jets got lucky, I might retire my anti Belichick
batting with that backdoor cover because long term, why try
to pick your spots against that? So to me, it's
either Patriots or pass, and I don't want to play
a road favor that big. By the way, real quick.
Josh Allen first season. Last year, he was one of

(01:34:20):
the worst this century at accuracy. If you look at
the advanced metrics, he's actually above average this year. I
don't know if it's short sample size or a big
improvement mechanically, but boy, if he can keep throwing like this,
Josh Allen will be above average quarterback at minimum. Great stuff.
As always, r J Bell, Let's gets ready for your

(01:34:42):
own show, r J at r J in Vegas is
the Twitter handle, or just listen to Straight at Vegas, which,
of course UH follows this show. Pregame dot com the
official uh uh the official line center for the Associated
Press Associated Press r J. Great stuff, man, thanks for
joining us, Hey, Doug, your support means a lot you
all right, It's a good show. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug dot Leap Show week days

(01:35:04):
at noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. Okay, uh, I'm I'm
struggle a little bit with this Twitter war here. There's
a lot to unpack here. Okay, let's let's un let's unpack. Um.

(01:35:27):
I for one love it. I mean this is I understand.
I'm just trying to like decipher it. Okay, So here's
the tweets started. The tweet started. Do you have a
bird sound? Do we have a Twitter sound? There? Ramos,
we have a I'm sure we have lots of sound
for I don't play any of those, but I can
find something for well, we do have and I'll work

(01:35:48):
with Ramos on it. There was something we made for this.
I keep doing it. I keep no one four Um, Okay,
that wasn't it. Antonio Brown at a B eight four

(01:36:09):
the game need me like test answers? Right, shouldn't be
like a test needs answers? Wouldn't that be one? So
Golden Tate, who's suspended for p d S and I
was on my fantasy team, saw its one more week
and I get Golden Tate. Uh says what? And Eric

(01:36:32):
Weddle says definitely don't right, So out of nowhere, Eric
Weddle Hopson says, the game definitely don't need you, right,
which means one to three four one two three four
I declare a twitter all right? Okay, um, some guy

(01:36:56):
fantasy Fred says, well, I f with you, bro, but
you can't guard a b over the top or man.
Eric Weddle ready for it? Don't need to? Is it
on a team? It's fantastic, that's that's fantastic. Um. Eric

(01:37:19):
Wettle goes on, uh, oh, excuse me. Antonio Brown says,
you need some attention, little man Glad I put that
stiff arm in your neck. Although he wrote stuff arm
stuff farm in your neck in Pittsburgh, you deserved the
little Wettle ha ha ha a by Actually do you
want to do? Eric Weddle, do you want to do
a B, I'll do I'll do Eric Weddle, I'll do

(01:37:41):
a B. Go ahead, I'll do a B first. Like
you need some attention, little man, Glad I put that
stuff arm in your neck in Pittsburgh. You deserved it,
little wettle. Ha ha ha a B. When are you
gonna learn that it isn't about you, never was, never
will be. Got a game to go. Get ready for
good luck, my guy? Oh uh, hold on, hold on,

(01:38:04):
I gotta I gotta get updated on the on the
because there's more now. Right, let's see here, bro, I
don't even know you don't call me a B. That's
my NFL name, dummy. I'm not on your team, never
have been. Shut your mouth, your BRONI you're not making
any sense, but glad you're not on my team. Call yourself.

(01:38:24):
Whatever you want doesn't matter one bit to me. Good
look at CMU, my bro. Keep your luck, duck. Listen
to your team, Stay focused on your opponent, not a B.
A B is the brand, not the individual. Clearly an
a B fan, even though about education. Oh really, Ramas
who won the Twitter war? Well it's not over three

(01:38:52):
four on Twitter? And then there's the picture of Antonio
Brown saying some things that never change. That's when he's
given the stiff arm to to Eric Weddle. Less posted
to one picture of the stiff arm and then one
of Who's going a touchdown with Eric Weddle tackling him? Correct?
Who won? I think Well sounds more on the offense,
and Abe sounds more defensive, So I would say Eric Weddle.

(01:39:15):
But I think this is what I think when we're
talking about a Twitter war. Antonio Brown wins the Twitter war,
but he loses the real life war. Right? Why does
he win the Twitter war? I don't think he wants war.
But but okay, I think he wins the Twitter war
because his is more like oh burn, which is what
twitter is all about. But Eric Weddle is clearly the

(01:39:35):
one winning in real life because he's still playing in
the NFL. Yeah, but I think he also won the
Twitter war because he admitted, like, I don't have to
guard Antonio Brown. He's not even the league. Yeah, bye,
what do you think who wins the Twitter war? Gosh,
it's really tough to think of something I couldn't care
less about. No, I'm kidding, Hey, I I actually agree

(01:40:01):
with Ryan and saying for the Twitter war with the
pictures up that. But I don't think that Eric wettle
wants to win the Twitter war if that's sitting on
the fence at all. But I would agree with Ryan
and saying that Abe probably went out with the photos. Um.

(01:40:21):
I I think Eric Wettele handled himself perfectly. Do you
think he won it? I think Antonio Brown seems like
a guy who struggles with the English language. Be totally
honest with you, right to anybody who thinks he's like
outsmart at anybody. There were people who thought that there
was this grand plan to get to the Patriots from
the moment he left left the Steelers when he went

(01:40:42):
to the Raiders. And I give you all the information
we have and all of his tweets, and you tell
me if that sounds like a guy with a grand plan, right, correct?
It doesn't sound like that's the plans working out? Yeah? Yeah,
Keep your luck, duck. That's that's the top five line

(01:41:03):
right there. Keep your luck, duck. That's an okay, cool?
Hook them, right, that's the okay cool hook them and
keep your luck duck. One. A FC team just got
better find out who next. Be sure to catch live
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(01:41:25):
Radio The Press. Let me interest you to Senator Buyer
from the great state of Wisconsin. We have got a
news show in the NFL. Actually, we have a jam
pack press. I'll dive run in super Bowl halftime show,
Jennifer Lopez and Shakira is officially announced today they'll be
performing at halftime in Miami and Super Bowl fifty four

(01:41:47):
Jenny from the Block, which means many gratuitous shots of
Alex Rodriguez oggling at his They're not married though, right,
are they married? I think they're engaged. They're not married. Actually, no,
they're engaged. The last last big song Jennifer Lopez had,

(01:42:08):
uh jeez, was it waiting for tonight's? Was that? That
was the follow up? That one good song with Jah Rule.
They were I can't remember, but as yeah, yeah, but
she doesn't she's that acting. She's performing as a singer. Right,
question becomes did they break out the stripper poll from

(01:42:29):
her new movie? I mean, I would know in the
new movie John she is a strip but I'm gonna
break it out of the stage. Well, I mean a
little homage to the movie, right, what do you guys
think I'm gonna say, No, probably not. Yeah, it's still,
it's it's it's it's still the kiddies are still up
at that at that point in time. Yeah, yeah, that's

(01:42:51):
what I would think. But she's kind of lived an
amazing life, right, and she's only fifty years old. She's
lived an amazing, amazing life. Looks great for fifty years old.
By the way, married three times. Uh noth there's anything
wrong with that. Uh. Let's see here her last Latin
pop movement, Man she sold eighty eighty million records worldwide.

(01:43:11):
That's pretty good. I'm real, is I'm real? Ain't it funny?
Jenny from the Block? All I have on the floor
Love don't cost a thing? Oh yeah, these are all
songs that you're gonna hear. Yes, Uh look again, halftime
show not designed for me or you. It's designed for

(01:43:32):
everybody who wouldn't normally watch football. But we got and
you know it's fine. It's good. Melvin Gordon's back with
the Chargers. Let's see what type of shape he's in.
We're working in slowly, Like I said, he will practice
today and we'll go from there. He's been clear the
whole nine. In fact, Anthony Lynn said that there's a
chance that he could play against the Dolphins on Sunday,

(01:43:53):
right because that way we're getting ready for when he
plays actual NFL teams. Ah, Zion Williamson just signed it
in dorsement deal in the NBA with the Gatorade. Yeah,
like Zion if I could be like I want to
be like that, like Zion. If I sorry, my Chesson
becomes Does he get a Gatorade deal if he doesn't
go to Duke No, No, he does not. Bleacher Report

(01:44:16):
put out their top fifty NBA players of all time.
Do you see this list? I heard about it, I
have not yet. It's actually on the sheet in front
of you. If there's anything that stands out, Jordan one,
Kareem to Bird, No, Jordan one, Lebron to Kareem three,
Magic for Bird five, Shocks six, Duncan seven, Russell eight,
Chamberlain nine, Curry ten, Oscar Robertson eleven. David Robinson allies

(01:44:42):
you on Kobe and Durant. I think I think David
Robinson is way too high. I don't know anybody to
say Dave Robinson w of the top fifteen players in
the history of the game. We're better than all Juan
Georgia Techman's basketball team given a postseason band today and
placed on four years probation for violations of impermissible benefits.

(01:45:03):
That's just in. The Dolphins are are are not allowed
to get to the Super Bowl this year either, right,
that's true home stadium. No, I'm just saying, I'm I'm
saying the likelihood of Georgia Tech reach relatively the same
as when georgan Tech was good. Over my head, I
can't believe all those years that Georgia Tech was really

(01:45:23):
cheating and they never got caught. Now they're not cheating
and they get caught. People forget about oh four when
they made it to the title game, Like we always
think lethal Weapon three and Kenny Anderson, But state yea
Tony Romo, by the way, fired a first round seventy
and it's five shots back of the leader to winder
part in the first round of the Safe Way Open.
Safely Open used to be a great deal for on

(01:45:45):
the pro n They used to bring in a bunch
of US radio TV hacks, awesome gear. Cool area used
to be in Uh, used to be around Pebble and
now it's in Napa. Yeah. Absolutely, finally I got. Marty
Brennaman called it a career today, forty six years as
a broadcaster of the Cincinnati Reds. This was part of

(01:46:07):
his sign off. And I'm proud to say that I'll
be here until the day that they passed muster on
me for the final time. I'm proud to say I'm
a Cincinnatian. And for those who are here today and
for those who are listening wherever they might be, Uh,
just know how much you're loved and how much you're appreciated.

(01:46:34):
That's all I got. Forty six years. Marty Brennaman calling
it a career. To imagine calling Red's games the last
like the last fifteen years have not been great, right,
I mean it's still great to hear his voice. He's
absolute icon and legend. Can you mention the same thing

(01:46:54):
for forty six years? It's the constant. Man, I haven't
been alive. I haven't either. I have another anyways, backing
out there and pressed that the press. All right, you
guys know the number ramos, So you got I like
the Eagles, like everybody both Lynn packers mind is four. Okay,

(01:47:21):
what about you there, Ryan Music. I'll go with the
pack because Dan's always right, Dan, you unpack. I'm going
Eagles tonight Eagles. I'm gonna go pack, and I'm gonna
go the over. Okay. I think it's a bit of
a scoring affair. I think it'd be a lot of fun.
I'm thinking Pack score in the thirties and mid twenties
or so for the Eagles. I do you think the

(01:47:42):
Eagles put up some points. I'm excited about tonight's football game.
We'll cover it with James Jones, who I had to
guard at Kurt Warner's house when I played pickup ball. Yeah,
that was a lot of fun because he's not a
great athlete or anything. He'll break it down Force tomorrow
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