September 30, 2019 • 37 mins
Doug discusses the Cowboys losing to the Saints and why this proves Dak Prescott is still not an elite QB. He also tells you why California allowing college athletes to profit off their name and likeness is a mistake. Plus, Super Bowl Champion Trent Dilfer joins the show to breakdown the week 4 QB performances from the NFL.
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you from the City of Angels where Brad awesomeus might
get Rick rent to read. I mean the body's not
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even cold yet. And Joe Madden who's with the Cubs.
He's still the manager of the Cubs right, still is
the managing Cubs? No, he got fired? When do you
get fired? Oh? I'm kidding. Uh Anyway, Joe Madden likes
jobs that are not yet or are about to be open.
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That's that's that's the Joe Madden. Anyway. Remember you got
didn't It wasn't Rick Rentario at the Cubs. Wasn't that
who it was? Rhndria was still the Cubs manager and
then Joe Madden was still the raised manager and suddenly
he was the Cubs manager. All right, we'll talk about
the joke that is the uh the barbershop with Lebron James,
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because all barbershops are echo chambers. Right, Oh yeah, you're right,
you're right, right, Oh yeah, you're right, you're right. That's
exactly what barbershop conversation is. Like, we'll get to that.
Uh NBA teams meeting. When I told you about the
Clippers is in fact true. I'm trying to help you
out in terms future bets. We got some college football,
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man is the story Ohio Stat or Nebraska? So much
to get to. But um, I watched Sunday Night football
and I thought it was amazing, really amazing. First of all,
there is something there is truly such a thing at
times as home field advantage in the NFL. Not always right, obviously,
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not with the Chargers. Did it appears that way with
the Rams. You look statistically in the National Football League,
and it is easier now than ever to win on
the road. I would say there are some places that's
not the case, and a place like the Dome on
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a Sunday night, a standalone game against the Cowboys is
just such a place even without Drew Brees and tinner
Bridge Arter was fine, tasty, Mills was tasty. Mill was fine.
But there's a place where quite obviously there is some
home field advantage. But here's what we've become. And I
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would say that it's like Lebron James. I don't want
to get to how Lebron gets into but it really
started with politics, right, Politics and maybe Political TV created
this side of the aisle sort of thing. Like the
truth is that most of us are in the middle.
If I said, if I said to you, and this
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is true, that I've generally generally voted mostly to the
democratic sort of thing, you go, oh, you're right, you're
a liberal like no, no, well then you're conservative like no, No.
I think most of us are centrists, right, I think
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of any sort of political issue, and if you say,
are you all or are you nothing? You're like, well,
what about in the middle? That's what most people are.
But politics had and and look all credit Fox News.
They created this brilliant thing right where they're so far
out to the right, there, so far in on the right,
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and they actually draw a line onto V and they
have what's called the two box, one person, the other person,
and one person is a conservative and one person's liberal,
and they can't possibly see the other person's argument, right.
That's what politics have done. That's where we are with
Dak Prescott. Here's how we're relates to Lebron James. Um.
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I don't think Lebron James was the best player in
the league last year. I don't think he's been the
best player in the league at all times for most
of the past couple of years. I actually think Kevin
Durant was better and more effective more often. And while
you can sit there and tell me that Lebron James
statistically look at the stats, he just wasn't healthy. The
fact is that when he was healthy and putting up
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the stats, they weren't losing the playoff teams. Last year
they lost to Phoenix who was tanking, Memphis who was tanking.
You pick out the bad teams who they were playing,
and they were they were losing to them. And Lebron
James himself this weekend him out and said like, hey,
if we're not playing through Anthony Davis when he's on
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the floor, we're not doing something right. He's that great
Lebron saying smartly like hey, look, I'm thirty five, can
I can I give you forty and twenty and ten
some nights, sure, but I can't do it every night.
I'm just not that guy anymore. Anthony Davis is going
to be more consistently great than I am. Lebron is
telling you, hey, I'm not the best player in the
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league anymore. Still, great still can beat great when he
has competitive greatness, can be great when greatness is called upon.
But he knows. So. Now if I say, like, hey,
Lebron is not the best player in the league, might
not be a top five player in the league, You're like, Oh,
that's black as blasting art, idiot. You're a hater, that's
what you are. You're a hater. Okay? Is he? Is
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he better than James Harden? He's saying he's not better
than Anthony Davis? Is he better than Janice? Like? Really?
Is he? Is he really better than Nae my Way?
He shoots better? Like, oh, hey, but Jannest that's literally
everything as well. I better, he's much younger. You're just
gonna be better when you're that much younger. Right, Is
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he better than Steph? It's totally different, completely different player.
Oh he doesn't play both ends. Alright, he's better than Clay. Like,
let's kind of go through the league and start to
pick apart. You know who he's actually? Is he better
than Quiet? He's not better than Quiet Leonard right now,
He's just not Quiet. Leonard is a better basketball player
than Lebron James. Lebron is a better pass or everything.
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But again, I'm not even arguing, but I can make
the argument. He's not a top five player. He's borderline
a top ten player in the NBA. He's thirty five
years old. But if I say, if I don't say
Lebron James is the best player in the leg, then
I'm a hater, which is which is where we are
with Dak Prescott. I don't believe that Dak Prescott is
the best quarterback in the league. I'm not. I don't
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believe he's the top five quarterback in league. I think
he's good enough for the Cowboys to win with. He
looked great on the opening dry in the second half
as he's been. Have you guys seen the numbers opening
drives the second half so far? I don't believe he
has an incomplete pass through four games like that is obscene.
Part of that is Dad. Part of that is Kellen Moore, right,
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his former the guy who should have gotten the chance
when Romo got hurt, got hurt himself, then became his backup,
now his quarterback coach, now offensive order the adjustments they
make at halftime, And it's not Dak's fault that the
Cowboys fumbled twice big fumbles. It's it's also not his
fault that a Marii Cooper couldn't get open last night,
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or that Tyrann Smith had a high ankle sprain, which
by the way, has been deemed to be not as
bad as first thought. That's good, dudes, but but let's
like also be honest that Dak Prescott was great through
three games against three teams that combined winning one game.
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I think they now have two wins because the Giant
to beat the Redskins, which are right, but the Giants
defense still stinks. The Redskins defense stinks. The Dolphins are
one of the worst teams that have ever been put
together in the National Football League, So I get it.
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But Dak Prescott is a dude who has six yard
passing games in his career. Okay, I want you to
let let that soak in for a second six in
his career, like wait, one to three? Yeah, okay, So
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here's the point, Like, three hundred yards passing is not
usually the number for a great game by a quarterback,
right Here's like four hundred yards, five hundred yards like crazy,
But three hundred yards is the meridian for a good game.
He's six and oh when he passed for over three
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d and his only loss when throwing for over three
hundred yards happened to come in a playoff game against
the Green Bay Packers when they were down big and
they came back, and then, of course Aaron Rodgers made
a ridiculous throw the kick a field goal in the game.
He's had sixteen games in his career under two hundred
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yards passing. Think about that. That's some nineteen seventies. That's
some Russell Wilson in his first year had nine two
d or last yards passing game. But now he's evolved
into being one of the elite quarterbacks in the league.
The Cowboys don't win because of him, but they also
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don't win in spite of him. They have to run
the football to be successful. And the key to last
night with the Saints was they were able to manage
Ezekie Elliott in the run game, they're able to get
a couple of turnovers, and they forced them into third
and less manageable situations and pressure Dak Prescott and sack him.
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And when the offensive line didn't give him five six
seven seconds to go through his progressions and set his feet. Hey,
he's an average quarterback at best. That doesn't mean get
rid of him. That doesn't mean draft another quarterback. That
doesn't mean not pay him. That means just be reasonable,
which is what most people are. Most people are reasonable.
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It's a reasonable argument to say, hey, Lebron James is
one of the greatest players in the history of the NBA,
but at thirty five years old, he can't guard the
way he used to. Okay, the game isn't played isolation,
create the double team kickout isn't played the way he
used to. And while for one night he can be great,
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the idea of eighty two nights he's better than his
twenty year old counterparts. It's like laughable. But we're in
this era of political discussion, which is not really discussion.
Political arguments have become sports arguments. You're either all four
or all against right, either all four or all against.
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We can't have a sensible gun argument because you can
either have right the guns or no guns. What's most important, though,
is that a couple of kids have died from vaping.
So let's get rid of vaping cigarettes and let's not
address the gun issue where hundreds and thousands of people
are hurt or sometimes killed because of them, because vaping
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is a far bigger scourge on our society. You're either
four or against. So look, Dad didn't get exposed last night.
He's exactly what we've told you he is. He's a
good quarterback. They got a great value in the fourth round.
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He fell to the fourth round because he wasn't that
good in college. He got a d U I right
before the draft, and he needs other things to go
right in order to be the best version of himself.
He's not Aaron Rodgers, nor has he ever been, and
he probably never will be. I don't believe he's you know,
and the idea of well Jared Goff was terrible yesterday.
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By the way, Jared Goff through for five yards, something
that's never happened to Dak Prescott probably won't happen. But
just because the Rams overpaid Jared Goff does not mean
the Cowboys have to overpay a second player on their team. Well,
the Rams did it. Trust me, I'm a parent. The
what the keeping up with the Jones is thing is
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the hardest thing ever. So I watched last night and
one continue to impress by Saints fans creating a real
home field advantage, and I thought the Saints frankly just
outplayed the Cowboys. One of the things I hate in
analysis from fans and especially from people like me that
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are paid to analyze games, is well, this team wanted
it more. But I will tell you this, I thought
the Saints play harder than the Cowboys, whether you want
to call it, wanted it more, competed better. Whatever it was.
That Saints team was nasty. They were filthy, and the
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Cowboys have been built around their offensive line. They're ability
to run the football. And when you have those two
things working, Dak Prescott can be a really good quarterback.
They weren't working last night, and he was okay. He
had moments where he's really good. He had moments where
he wasn't. He had moments where he's under duress and
he couldn't make plays. I'm not against him. I'm not
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against him getting a new contract, but I wouldn't pay
him more than anybody else. One because I don't have to,
and two because he's not that good. That doesn't make
me a hater. That makes me just like everything else
in the real world, in the middle and reasonable. But
apparently that's disappeared from political and sports talk. By the way,
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a Dak Prescott, if you want to make the argument
about Jared Goff, like, oh, he's better than Jared Goff, Okay,
I mean if we're going by win loss record, which
was everybody goes by, right, I can't take away his
win los. Jared Goff's actually too and know against Dak
Prescott and should be pointed out that Jared Goff did
get to a super Bowl. And of course, I, like
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anybody else, think Jared Goff is is overpaid. But I
also think that Jared Goff is a better quarterback than
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They had won three games in the last three years combined.
So we're four and one and guys are getting better.
We have our arch rival coming up Friday night, a
team that's beating us, I think for eighth three years
and won a couple of state championships. We have Big
I went ahead of us. Awesome. Um um, you know
who would you lose to? We lost a team called
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JP two Golden Tates Old High School. So I've had
to hear that from Golden Tate over and over and over.
It was a coach, he was a coaching loss. That's
just what I heard heard there was I did not
do a very good job. I got out coach. You know,
it's funny, this is I want, I want, actually want
to ask you this. Um. It's like, how different is
it when you're when you're coaching? Like I was coaching
this weekend and it was one of those deals to
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where like I had a kind of plan for how
it work. I'm like I I every time I coach
a game, I learned something. How different is it actually
doing the coaching, actually making the adjustments as the game goes?
For you personally, it's been like you said, you learned
something every game. I have a great staff. I mean
I could not have done this without having the guys
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I have. I have brought an offensive coordinator from Texas
who was uber successful. Their defense coordinator was one of the
the best defense coordinators in Tennessee for years, got him
out of retirement. A bunch of other good high school coaches,
so they've taught me a lot I think the biggest
thing is being able to see it through the kid's eyes.
When you can start seeing it through the kid's eyes,
and what they're able to learn, what they're able to comprehend,
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and you can give the answers to the tests, but
when you see it through your own eyes, they can't
comprehend it at that level. So you always got to
kind of get to their levels, see what they can
understand so that they can grasp and then give him
the answers they need. I get a funny story for
I have a ten year old son. He's playing up
sixth grade hoops, and uh, he's not great because he's
playing like tackle, flag, football, baseball, whatever. But I used
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him in dosage at the end of a game, a
close game. He's, you know, my son, and I demand
that he's tough, so I I put him in to
try and win the game. And I put him in
the game and his guy catches the ball like in
the corner, and he's got his feet turned like to
not let him go the other direction, like he's pressing
in our our zone press. And the kid jumps up
and hits a three, and I called him over and
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I was like, hey, do you know which way we're going?
And he's like, I forgot, yeah, And You're like, he's ten,
He's he's ten years old. Trend Dilfer is our guest
in the Dug Gottlieb Show. Um, all right, let's start
with let's let's work backwards. Incredible atmosphere last night in
New Orleans, really physical game. A couple of big fumbles
derailed the Cowboys. But I'm wondering if the Saints in
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European exposed Dak Prescott to being a little less than
the greatest quarterback we've seen, based upon how he looked
the first three weeks. Well, I think a couple of things.
Every when they stopped the run game on early down,
so I think that I don't know that how the
numbers in front of I think it was forty five
yards and twenty carries or something for zeke Um when
you were able to do that and then overload your zones,
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your man concepts or your fire zones, whatever you're gonna
do in must pass situation is going to take away
from your explosiveness Offensively. Doc is going to be as good,
and I think he's very very good, but I think
he's gonna be as good as the opportunities afforded to
him because of what the run game can do, when
they can run the ball downhill, when they can run
the stretch play, when they can establish zeke that I
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think Kellen Moore, John Kidner as good as anybody dialing
up those action plays to pierce the defense, and Dak
has been incredible throwing them. Now you shut him down
and you put him in a drop back game. Um,
and unless your name is Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady,
Philip Rivers, Patrick Mahomes, there's very few guys these days
that can just play a drop back game for sixty
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minutes and and be as explosives they would be from
a run run action game. So I think that's what
got exposed. If you can stop the Cowboys early down
run game, well then you can limit the explosives of
Dak Prescott in the passing game. UM. Okay, So does
this change his value in your opinion? No? No, they
have a franchise quarterback. I've always been a that guy. Um.
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I fought for him last year when things weren't looking
great the year before. I think he's I think he's
one of the top ten best quarterbacks in the league,
and he's going to be paid accordingly. I mean, I
think he's there with Jared Goff. I think he's there
with the other guys that are up and coming that
they're gonna need more reps, They're gonna need more playing time,
they need more big, big experiences, they need to continue
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to develop. But at a young age, he's a very
very very good player. Doug gotlip show here on Fox
Sports Radio. That's the voice of of of Trent Dilfer.
What about Marie Cooper's inability to get open last night?
I mean, this is one of the things that that
the Raiders would tell you is, yeah, he had the
drops two years ago, but also maybe not the elite
level wide receiver as he's being deemed to be. Does
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this does this change how we shouldok at Marik Cooper,
another guy who's in line for a contract. Well, he's
an incredible route runner. Um, he's a big, physical body.
He doesn't have you know, exceptional juice. You know, he's
not a guy that just physically can take over a game.
He does it more by being a craftsman, uh and
using his size. Um, I don't think anything was exposed
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last night. I understand that those are narratives that are
probably important because they're in contract negotiations, but you also
got to look at those must pass downs. What the
Saints were doing. You know they were they were in
a position where they could dictate terms. And when the
defense can dictate terms on what I call must pass
those third mediums, those thirdain longs, it's easy to identify
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a big time receiver and fled your coverage to him,
or force the ball, or force the quarterback to throw
it away from that guy. These events, the coordinators are
really smart, and when they get you in a position
where they can dictate terms, uh, it's very hard to
execute a high level. That's why when you see uh
Tom Brady performers best, a lot of it ends up
being on early downs when they dictate terms. Tryn deal
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for joining us in the Doug Otlips Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Lamar Jackson has has has been different the
last two weeks. Obviously higher level of competition, there have
been some struggles in terms of his accuracy. Um, what
have you learned about Lamar over the past two weeks
in terms of who you think he is as a quarterback?
Right now. Well, I think it's a team conversation too.
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I think the offense they put in place as an offense,
it's best suited for tight games or with the lead.
And now you start playing from behind where you're in
a throwing situation where you're now not allowing him to
be a runner first, a play action guy, a you know,
misdirection offense where you're not gonna drop back mo and
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you're playing traditional NFL offense. That's not his strong point.
Not that he can't do it, but he's not gonna
be as consistent as he would be an offense they built.
So one of the defense has to play better. You
can't go give up over five yards too straight weeks
and expect your quarterback who's not that guy to play
his best. Um, he's limited as a passer. Uh. And
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it's not I shouldn't say limited. He's going to struggle
with consistency. He can make every play, he can make
every throw, he can read every cover. She's not going
to do as consistently as a guy that doesn't have
his legs as a weapon, that's forced into playing from
the pocket. So you're you're gonna see, Um, you're not
gonna see his best when he's in a drop back game.
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I like Lamar, I think he has to play a
certain style of football to be uber successful. I think
what teams have done the last two weeks is they
fires on them. So they changed his looks, changed his reads,
changed some of the angles of the run game. Uh,
flooded coverages in areas he didn't think they could be coverage,
and he didn't think there'd be coverage, and he's ended
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up holding the ball a little bit and second guess himself,
Like all these young quarterbacks, the more they see it,
the more they wrap it, the more comfortable to get
with it, the more successful have against it. Yeah, I guess.
My My question is, like, you're right. I mean, it's
Baker Mayfield, the confusing coverages, and it it looked like
you know, Jared Goff in addition to pressure in his face,
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kind of confusing coverages. Like right, there is a kind
of narrative that if you just haven't seen him, you
don't know kind of what you're looking at, and they
kind of fool you. Um. But but my question is,
even when he does recognize it, will he ultimately be
accurately accurate enough to make teams play at times. Yeah,
And I mean that's what I said coming out of
the draft, and that's what it was at Louisville. Uh.
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And I think, you know, he'll be better, but it's
never gonna be precise. That that's never gonna be a
word you used with him, is precision. It's gonna be
the Butcher verse surgeon analogy. Um, you know, a butcher's
sharp tools too, but he gets you a p astronomy sandwich.
A surgeon has very sharp tools and he saved your life.
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Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes is becoming
that their surgeons. I think Lamar will be in that
Butcher category, much like Cam Newton has been the majority
of his career. Like Josh Allen, I think is right
now where they have high ceilings, they can do some
really cool things. They have the flash and sizzle, but
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they're not necessarily gonna save your life with precision. Ranil
for our guest in the Doug Outlet Show on Fox
Sports Radio, Uh, your impressions on Daniel Jones now that
we've seen him two weeks in. You know, I was
just having lunch with somebody that said I might be
wrong on Daniel Jones, and I you know, I've never
been afraid to be wrong. Um. I did not see
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this level of athleticism from him at Duke. Uh. Now
you can see his athletic, but this level of athletics athleticism.
He also didn't see this confidence. And you know, maybe
it's just because I didn't studied hard enough. Maybe, but
you didn't see him with the swag, with this kind
of inner confidences, physical confidence where he almost plays the
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game as if Uh he says, you know, this is
small potatoes for me, it's not too big for him.
Now it's only two games in and we should need
tor react. Um, but boy, it's been impressive. He has
a lot of layers to his game. I think that's
the most impressive thing about Daniel Jones just watched him
for two weeks, is there's a lot of layers to
his game. He's not you can't put him in a
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box right now, this early in his career, and I'm
really excited to see how good he can be. Uh.
Since you started off so well, the Panthers better off
with Kyle Allen than Newton. I think they're better off
from a guy who can play with with rhythm. Now
it sounds like Kyle played great yesterday. I think he
turned over three times, uh, if not more. Um. But
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this offense functions better on time. It functions better when
McCaffrey is you know, the Swiss army knife that he is.
When they can puncture the inside of a defense. Norv
turners as good as there's ever been in football with
creating isolation matchups on the perimeter. Um. And if if
you can play on time in North's offense, you're gonna
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you're gonna be successful. And I think that's what hurts
cam Is is even even when he was one of
the best players in the league, it was on his time.
It wasn't necessary on the offenses time. And if you
stack up sixteen games plus playoffs, you're gonna be way
better off if your quarterbacks playing on time. There'll be
games where you want to playoff schedule and create and
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you know, be Houdini and put the Superman cape on
and that looks awesome. Um, But when you had them
all up in the end of the season, that the
guy's end up playing going deep. Playoffs and the Super
Bowl are the teams where the quarterback plays on time,
and Kyle Allen can do that his darters for real. Yes,
And this is the one. You know, if I was
wrong on Daniel Jones, I was right on this one.
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This is the one. In the middle of last college
football season, I was banging my drum. This is when
I'm still doing some media and I wasn't coaching. He
was the guy I could not stop studying last year.
I watched every single staff of his time at Washington State.
I talked to people that were up and wants to
about him. I did my due diligence. This kid is
the real deal. Now, he doesn't have raw horsepower, but
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he is the next Tony Romo. When Romo came out
there a handful of people have said this guy is
going to be a star, and it took a few
years before you could really see it. Romo's one more
polarizing guys in the league. But I think Minshew is
the Romo. He's the guy that just has that intuitive
field for the game. He is a true passer. He's
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throwing the ball thousands and thousands of times. He's been
the quarterback, He's been through adversity. He thought he was
going to be a coach now he's in the NFL.
I mean, this is a guy that's been through it
all and he just has flat passing instincts and the
ability that intuitive field to kind of create time and
space for himself. He is I think he's going to
be a big time player in this league. Uh. Last
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thing for joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio mentioned Jared Goff and his struggles. What
was it that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were able to
do to get because we know that he's different when
he's pressure. Everbody's differ when they're under pressure, but especially
Jared Goff. What were they able to do to get
so much pressure on one? They're pretty good, They're pretty
good to rush in the passer there. Their scheme is
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pretty good. You know. Um, this has always been a
defensive scheme that's known to get after the passer. Uh.
And the RAMSS kind of lost their identity. You know,
remember where they were rolling when they were really efficient.
It was run run action, run run action, run run action.
And then all of a sudden became kind of dropback world.
And that's not m O yet again. It maybe in
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three or four years, but you know, he's a guy
that's best handing them off and showing hand off, pulling
it out, getting those vertical shots. Um you know, split
in the field in half. I think Shawn did a
great job with them lap share cutting the field in half,
and now they're doing these full field read dropped back
passes ends. At times he's awesome, mat I mean, think
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he threw for five yards or something like that. Those
times he's really good at it. But you're gonna have
more mistakes. And I think what gets lost this time
of the year, every single season, is we start looking
at fantasy points and five yard pastors and touchdown passes,
and we forget the guy that makes the least mistakes
at the end is a guy that's going to be standing.
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And Jared needs to realize that. Sean needs to realize that.
The offense needs to realize that that you mitigate risk
when you hand the ball off more, when you play
action pass more. The more you drop back and throw it,
the more you expose yourself to these catastrophic mistakes. Trent,
great stuff, best of luck this weekend with the Lipscomb Academy,
and we really appreciate you joining us. Be sure to
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catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show week
days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. So Laron James,
who is never gonna go to college and is the
exception to every rule, has come out vociferously demanding that
college athletes are pay for their name and likeness. And
of course he found a friendly uh friendly year in
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Gavin Newsom, who's the governor of the state of California,
one which I'm a taxpaying citizen of I grew up here.
And UH today dropped the news version of the shop right,
which is the barbershop which bron says they invented barbershop
and discussion okay, which he didn't. And he's not able
to trademark. And it's not real barbershop discussion if there's
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no counter to it. It's just a bunch of guys
not in going yep yep. It sounds just like any
barbershop debate that there has ever been. But but here's
the thing, and I understand that many of you think
that the college student athletes somehow, as Gavin Newsom, the
governor California said, don't get anything for playing in college. Okay,
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there's a word that rhymes with full that ends with
something that rhymes with hit. Right, it's be It's completely
and the idea that the governor of California would sit
would utter this mistruth, find out lie isn't the whole
thing is and you should all be embarrassed. Now, you
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might not like the deal which continues to improve for
the high school student athlete to play for free in college, right,
but it's like we've completely forgotten that Felicity Huffman, though
she's only going to jail for like a week and
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a half, is going to jail because she paid hundreds
of thousands of dollars for what all of us, and
I'm saying us as a college student athlete got for free,
which is entrance into a university. The idea that you
get nothing. If you want to say, hey, I don't
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think it's enough, I would argue with you, and I
would say it keeps getting better. And the more we give,
the more entitlement you create. That there, in my by
my estimation, we have an uneven balance where athletes get everything,
get treated so fondly, so kindly that they don't under
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we're not preparing them for real life. Real life is hard.
It's a job it is a job. If you consider
that they can't be fired. There's a limit on how
many hours per week they can do that job. They
actually want to do it. They get Champion four it
and and by the way, over compensated for it. But
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the idea of not getting anything. I challenge you to
ask yourself, honestly, how valuable is a college not just degree,
but everything else. What you don't realize is everything you're
going to do in your professional life. I know this
is gonna draw upon college. Well, they make here's another lie.
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They make billions of dollars off these kids. Yes, if
you want to factor in gross revenue from TV deals
that are twenty years combining ten to fourteen universities, sure
that's billions of dollars, but it's not over twenty years.
It's one student athlete who doesn't really have value. I
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bring this up all the time. The basketball player actually
has the least value in comparison to the football player
because the basketball basketball doesn't make much money for a university.
It doesn't. It just doesn't. Go look at the football
makes money and basketball players who aren't really that valuable
but think they are and have a loud voice like
Lebron James. They only have to stay there if they
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want right now, for six months, and they don't even
have to go. They go to the G League. And
if their name and likeness aside from the university was
worth anything, then why don't they go to the G
League and get a shoot deal and get a card
deal and be a spokesman for something. The answer is
that's a free market. There are no limitations in the
G League and what deals you can negotiate outside of
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your uniform. You gotta wear the uniform that's sponsored by Gatorade,
and all the teams have a sponsor thing that you
can't change. But everything else you can be a spokesman
for whatever you want. Why don't any of them do it?
Because the value is in the brand of college athletics
and the school that they go to. And even if
you want this high idea that you don't get anything,
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yes you do. You may not get enough for you,
you may not get what you think you're worth. But
the truth is getting into college has a value. While
you're there. The support you get academic and sports support,
as well as mental health, regular health, whatever you want,
it's all taken care of. Food, clothing, dorms, everything all
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taken care of. And then when you're done, what do
you What do you do? You call on your college
experience to get a job, to have friends, all your relationships,
and you don't have college debt, which is at an
all time high. Colleges are harder get into than they've
ever been, They're more expensive than there ever been, and
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yet the student athlete experiences none of this. Do you
know what we say, don't all of us say as
former athletes, we go back to our old school and
we go back and we pop into the equipment room
and we get some gear, We get some new shoes,
get some sweats, get some swag, and then we go
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to the football game. We get free seats, and then
we go to the basketball jim we get some shots up.
You know, we call it on scholarship. It's a running joke,
but you actually are on scholarship for life. He has
Mamber Perry Ellis played in Kansas, felt like he played
forever because he was going bald. He played four years.
It is out of witch Tak, Kansas. He's back in
Kansas getting his degree, able to coach. Why because the
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n c A has mandated that now you can go
back any time and even getting a vance degree and
become a coach, you're actually not under compensated, your overcompensated.
But if that's not enough for you're getting into school,
which parents are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars under
the table try and get their kids into. If that's
not enough, that's an argument, but saying they don't get anything.
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As the governor of California who the cow bears, cal
athletics okay, was so badly in debt that the chancellor
had to had to grant them forty million dollars in
bot in bailouts over two years and still is doing
so because they're not actually making money because we're taking
gross revenue and making it in this net revenue, which
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is not so I'm not for the entitlement of athletes.
I do think there's unintended consequences, including taxing college athletics,
which we haven't discussed. And if this is the beginning
of the end of college athletics, remember today was the
day in Lebron is responsible
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even cold yet. And Joe Madden who's with the Cubs.
He's still the manager of the Cubs right, still is
the managing Cubs? No, he got fired? When do you
get fired? Oh? I'm kidding. Uh Anyway, Joe Madden likes
jobs that are not yet or are about to be open.
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That's that's that's the Joe Madden. Anyway. Remember you got
didn't It wasn't Rick Rentario at the Cubs. Wasn't that
who it was? Rhndria was still the Cubs manager and
then Joe Madden was still the raised manager and suddenly
he was the Cubs manager. All right, we'll talk about
the joke that is the uh the barbershop with Lebron James,
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because all barbershops are echo chambers. Right, Oh yeah, you're right,
you're right, right, Oh yeah, you're right, you're right. That's
exactly what barbershop conversation is. Like, we'll get to that.
Uh NBA teams meeting. When I told you about the
Clippers is in fact true. I'm trying to help you
out in terms future bets. We got some college football,
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man is the story Ohio Stat or Nebraska? So much
to get to. But um, I watched Sunday Night football
and I thought it was amazing, really amazing. First of all,
there is something there is truly such a thing at
times as home field advantage in the NFL. Not always right, obviously,
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not with the Chargers. Did it appears that way with
the Rams. You look statistically in the National Football League,
and it is easier now than ever to win on
the road. I would say there are some places that's
not the case, and a place like the Dome on
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a Sunday night, a standalone game against the Cowboys is
just such a place even without Drew Brees and tinner
Bridge Arter was fine, tasty, Mills was tasty. Mill was fine.
But there's a place where quite obviously there is some
home field advantage. But here's what we've become. And I
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would say that it's like Lebron James. I don't want
to get to how Lebron gets into but it really
started with politics, right, Politics and maybe Political TV created
this side of the aisle sort of thing. Like the
truth is that most of us are in the middle.
If I said, if I said to you, and this
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is true, that I've generally generally voted mostly to the
democratic sort of thing, you go, oh, you're right, you're
a liberal like no, no, well then you're conservative like no, No.
I think most of us are centrists, right, I think
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of any sort of political issue, and if you say,
are you all or are you nothing? You're like, well,
what about in the middle? That's what most people are.
But politics had and and look all credit Fox News.
They created this brilliant thing right where they're so far
out to the right, there, so far in on the right,
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and they actually draw a line onto V and they
have what's called the two box, one person, the other person,
and one person is a conservative and one person's liberal,
and they can't possibly see the other person's argument, right.
That's what politics have done. That's where we are with
Dak Prescott. Here's how we're relates to Lebron James. Um.
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I don't think Lebron James was the best player in
the league last year. I don't think he's been the
best player in the league at all times for most
of the past couple of years. I actually think Kevin
Durant was better and more effective more often. And while
you can sit there and tell me that Lebron James
statistically look at the stats, he just wasn't healthy. The
fact is that when he was healthy and putting up
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the stats, they weren't losing the playoff teams. Last year
they lost to Phoenix who was tanking, Memphis who was tanking.
You pick out the bad teams who they were playing,
and they were they were losing to them. And Lebron
James himself this weekend him out and said like, hey,
if we're not playing through Anthony Davis when he's on
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the floor, we're not doing something right. He's that great
Lebron saying smartly like hey, look, I'm thirty five, can
I can I give you forty and twenty and ten
some nights, sure, but I can't do it every night.
I'm just not that guy anymore. Anthony Davis is going
to be more consistently great than I am. Lebron is
telling you, hey, I'm not the best player in the
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league anymore. Still, great still can beat great when he
has competitive greatness, can be great when greatness is called upon.
But he knows. So. Now if I say, like, hey,
Lebron is not the best player in the league, might
not be a top five player in the league, You're like, Oh,
that's black as blasting art, idiot. You're a hater, that's
what you are. You're a hater. Okay? Is he? Is
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he better than James Harden? He's saying he's not better
than Anthony Davis? Is he better than Janice? Like? Really?
Is he? Is he really better than Nae my Way?
He shoots better? Like, oh, hey, but Jannest that's literally
everything as well. I better, he's much younger. You're just
gonna be better when you're that much younger. Right, Is
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he better than Steph? It's totally different, completely different player.
Oh he doesn't play both ends. Alright, he's better than Clay. Like,
let's kind of go through the league and start to
pick apart. You know who he's actually? Is he better
than Quiet? He's not better than Quiet Leonard right now,
He's just not Quiet. Leonard is a better basketball player
than Lebron James. Lebron is a better pass or everything.
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But again, I'm not even arguing, but I can make
the argument. He's not a top five player. He's borderline
a top ten player in the NBA. He's thirty five
years old. But if I say, if I don't say
Lebron James is the best player in the leg, then
I'm a hater, which is which is where we are
with Dak Prescott. I don't believe that Dak Prescott is
the best quarterback in the league. I'm not. I don't
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believe he's the top five quarterback in league. I think
he's good enough for the Cowboys to win with. He
looked great on the opening dry in the second half
as he's been. Have you guys seen the numbers opening
drives the second half so far? I don't believe he
has an incomplete pass through four games like that is obscene.
Part of that is Dad. Part of that is Kellen Moore, right,
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his former the guy who should have gotten the chance
when Romo got hurt, got hurt himself, then became his backup,
now his quarterback coach, now offensive order the adjustments they
make at halftime, And it's not Dak's fault that the
Cowboys fumbled twice big fumbles. It's it's also not his
fault that a Marii Cooper couldn't get open last night,
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or that Tyrann Smith had a high ankle sprain, which
by the way, has been deemed to be not as
bad as first thought. That's good, dudes, but but let's
like also be honest that Dak Prescott was great through
three games against three teams that combined winning one game.
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I think they now have two wins because the Giant
to beat the Redskins, which are right, but the Giants
defense still stinks. The Redskins defense stinks. The Dolphins are
one of the worst teams that have ever been put
together in the National Football League, So I get it.
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But Dak Prescott is a dude who has six yard
passing games in his career. Okay, I want you to
let let that soak in for a second six in
his career, like wait, one to three? Yeah, okay, So
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here's the point, Like, three hundred yards passing is not
usually the number for a great game by a quarterback,
right Here's like four hundred yards, five hundred yards like crazy,
But three hundred yards is the meridian for a good game.
He's six and oh when he passed for over three
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d and his only loss when throwing for over three
hundred yards happened to come in a playoff game against
the Green Bay Packers when they were down big and
they came back, and then, of course Aaron Rodgers made
a ridiculous throw the kick a field goal in the game.
He's had sixteen games in his career under two hundred
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yards passing. Think about that. That's some nineteen seventies. That's
some Russell Wilson in his first year had nine two
d or last yards passing game. But now he's evolved
into being one of the elite quarterbacks in the league.
The Cowboys don't win because of him, but they also
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don't win in spite of him. They have to run
the football to be successful. And the key to last
night with the Saints was they were able to manage
Ezekie Elliott in the run game, they're able to get
a couple of turnovers, and they forced them into third
and less manageable situations and pressure Dak Prescott and sack him.
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And when the offensive line didn't give him five six
seven seconds to go through his progressions and set his feet. Hey,
he's an average quarterback at best. That doesn't mean get
rid of him. That doesn't mean draft another quarterback. That
doesn't mean not pay him. That means just be reasonable,
which is what most people are. Most people are reasonable.
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It's a reasonable argument to say, hey, Lebron James is
one of the greatest players in the history of the NBA,
but at thirty five years old, he can't guard the
way he used to. Okay, the game isn't played isolation,
create the double team kickout isn't played the way he
used to. And while for one night he can be great,
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the idea of eighty two nights he's better than his
twenty year old counterparts. It's like laughable. But we're in
this era of political discussion, which is not really discussion.
Political arguments have become sports arguments. You're either all four
or all against right, either all four or all against.
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We can't have a sensible gun argument because you can
either have right the guns or no guns. What's most important, though,
is that a couple of kids have died from vaping.
So let's get rid of vaping cigarettes and let's not
address the gun issue where hundreds and thousands of people
are hurt or sometimes killed because of them, because vaping
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is a far bigger scourge on our society. You're either
four or against. So look, Dad didn't get exposed last night.
He's exactly what we've told you he is. He's a
good quarterback. They got a great value in the fourth round.
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He fell to the fourth round because he wasn't that
good in college. He got a d U I right
before the draft, and he needs other things to go
right in order to be the best version of himself.
He's not Aaron Rodgers, nor has he ever been, and
he probably never will be. I don't believe he's you know,
and the idea of well Jared Goff was terrible yesterday.
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By the way, Jared Goff through for five yards, something
that's never happened to Dak Prescott probably won't happen. But
just because the Rams overpaid Jared Goff does not mean
the Cowboys have to overpay a second player on their team. Well,
the Rams did it. Trust me, I'm a parent. The
what the keeping up with the Jones is thing is
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the hardest thing ever. So I watched last night and
one continue to impress by Saints fans creating a real
home field advantage, and I thought the Saints frankly just
outplayed the Cowboys. One of the things I hate in
analysis from fans and especially from people like me that
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are paid to analyze games, is well, this team wanted
it more. But I will tell you this, I thought
the Saints play harder than the Cowboys, whether you want
to call it, wanted it more, competed better. Whatever it was.
That Saints team was nasty. They were filthy, and the
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Cowboys have been built around their offensive line. They're ability
to run the football. And when you have those two
things working, Dak Prescott can be a really good quarterback.
They weren't working last night, and he was okay. He
had moments where he's really good. He had moments where
he wasn't. He had moments where he's under duress and
he couldn't make plays. I'm not against him. I'm not
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against him getting a new contract, but I wouldn't pay
him more than anybody else. One because I don't have to,
and two because he's not that good. That doesn't make
me a hater. That makes me just like everything else
in the real world, in the middle and reasonable. But
apparently that's disappeared from political and sports talk. By the way,
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a Dak Prescott, if you want to make the argument
about Jared Goff, like, oh, he's better than Jared Goff, Okay,
I mean if we're going by win loss record, which
was everybody goes by, right, I can't take away his
win los. Jared Goff's actually too and know against Dak
Prescott and should be pointed out that Jared Goff did
get to a super Bowl. And of course, I, like
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anybody else, think Jared Goff is is overpaid. But I
also think that Jared Goff is a better quarterback than
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They had won three games in the last three years combined.
So we're four and one and guys are getting better.
We have our arch rival coming up Friday night, a
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I went ahead of us. Awesome. Um um, you know
who would you lose to? We lost a team called
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JP two Golden Tates Old High School. So I've had
to hear that from Golden Tate over and over and over.
It was a coach, he was a coaching loss. That's
just what I heard heard there was I did not
do a very good job. I got out coach. You know,
it's funny, this is I want, I want, actually want
to ask you this. Um. It's like, how different is
it when you're when you're coaching? Like I was coaching
this weekend and it was one of those deals to
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where like I had a kind of plan for how
it work. I'm like I I every time I coach
a game, I learned something. How different is it actually
doing the coaching, actually making the adjustments as the game goes?
For you personally, it's been like you said, you learned
something every game. I have a great staff. I mean
I could not have done this without having the guys
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I have. I have brought an offensive coordinator from Texas
who was uber successful. Their defense coordinator was one of the
the best defense coordinators in Tennessee for years, got him
out of retirement. A bunch of other good high school coaches,
so they've taught me a lot I think the biggest
thing is being able to see it through the kid's eyes.
When you can start seeing it through the kid's eyes,
and what they're able to learn, what they're able to comprehend,
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and you can give the answers to the tests, but
when you see it through your own eyes, they can't
comprehend it at that level. So you always got to
kind of get to their levels, see what they can
understand so that they can grasp and then give him
the answers they need. I get a funny story for
I have a ten year old son. He's playing up
sixth grade hoops, and uh, he's not great because he's
playing like tackle, flag, football, baseball, whatever. But I used
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him in dosage at the end of a game, a
close game. He's, you know, my son, and I demand
that he's tough, so I I put him in to
try and win the game. And I put him in
the game and his guy catches the ball like in
the corner, and he's got his feet turned like to
not let him go the other direction, like he's pressing
in our our zone press. And the kid jumps up
and hits a three, and I called him over and
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I was like, hey, do you know which way we're going?
And he's like, I forgot, yeah, And You're like, he's ten,
He's he's ten years old. Trend Dilfer is our guest
in the Dug Gottlieb Show. Um, all right, let's start
with let's let's work backwards. Incredible atmosphere last night in
New Orleans, really physical game. A couple of big fumbles
derailed the Cowboys. But I'm wondering if the Saints in
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European exposed Dak Prescott to being a little less than
the greatest quarterback we've seen, based upon how he looked
the first three weeks. Well, I think a couple of things.
Every when they stopped the run game on early down,
so I think that I don't know that how the
numbers in front of I think it was forty five
yards and twenty carries or something for zeke Um when
you were able to do that and then overload your zones,
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your man concepts or your fire zones, whatever you're gonna
do in must pass situation is going to take away
from your explosiveness Offensively. Doc is going to be as good,
and I think he's very very good, but I think
he's gonna be as good as the opportunities afforded to
him because of what the run game can do, when
they can run the ball downhill, when they can run
the stretch play, when they can establish zeke that I
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think Kellen Moore, John Kidner as good as anybody dialing
up those action plays to pierce the defense, and Dak
has been incredible throwing them. Now you shut him down
and you put him in a drop back game. Um,
and unless your name is Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady,
Philip Rivers, Patrick Mahomes, there's very few guys these days
that can just play a drop back game for sixty
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minutes and and be as explosives they would be from
a run run action game. So I think that's what
got exposed. If you can stop the Cowboys early down
run game, well then you can limit the explosives of
Dak Prescott in the passing game. UM. Okay, So does
this change his value in your opinion? No? No, they
have a franchise quarterback. I've always been a that guy. Um.
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I fought for him last year when things weren't looking
great the year before. I think he's I think he's
one of the top ten best quarterbacks in the league,
and he's going to be paid accordingly. I mean, I
think he's there with Jared Goff. I think he's there
with the other guys that are up and coming that
they're gonna need more reps, They're gonna need more playing time,
they need more big, big experiences, they need to continue
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to develop. But at a young age, he's a very
very very good player. Doug gotlip show here on Fox
Sports Radio. That's the voice of of of Trent Dilfer.
What about Marie Cooper's inability to get open last night?
I mean, this is one of the things that that
the Raiders would tell you is, yeah, he had the
drops two years ago, but also maybe not the elite
level wide receiver as he's being deemed to be. Does
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this does this change how we shouldok at Marik Cooper,
another guy who's in line for a contract. Well, he's
an incredible route runner. Um, he's a big, physical body.
He doesn't have you know, exceptional juice. You know, he's
not a guy that just physically can take over a game.
He does it more by being a craftsman, uh and
using his size. Um, I don't think anything was exposed
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last night. I understand that those are narratives that are
probably important because they're in contract negotiations, but you also
got to look at those must pass downs. What the
Saints were doing. You know they were they were in
a position where they could dictate terms. And when the
defense can dictate terms on what I call must pass
those third mediums, those thirdain longs, it's easy to identify
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a big time receiver and fled your coverage to him,
or force the ball, or force the quarterback to throw
it away from that guy. These events, the coordinators are
really smart, and when they get you in a position
where they can dictate terms, uh, it's very hard to
execute a high level. That's why when you see uh
Tom Brady performers best, a lot of it ends up
being on early downs when they dictate terms. Tryn deal
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for joining us in the Doug Otlips Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Lamar Jackson has has has been different the
last two weeks. Obviously higher level of competition, there have
been some struggles in terms of his accuracy. Um, what
have you learned about Lamar over the past two weeks
in terms of who you think he is as a quarterback?
Right now. Well, I think it's a team conversation too.
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I think the offense they put in place as an offense,
it's best suited for tight games or with the lead.
And now you start playing from behind where you're in
a throwing situation where you're now not allowing him to
be a runner first, a play action guy, a you know,
misdirection offense where you're not gonna drop back mo and
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you're playing traditional NFL offense. That's not his strong point.
Not that he can't do it, but he's not gonna
be as consistent as he would be an offense they built.
So one of the defense has to play better. You
can't go give up over five yards too straight weeks
and expect your quarterback who's not that guy to play
his best. Um, he's limited as a passer. Uh. And
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it's not I shouldn't say limited. He's going to struggle
with consistency. He can make every play, he can make
every throw, he can read every cover. She's not going
to do as consistently as a guy that doesn't have
his legs as a weapon, that's forced into playing from
the pocket. So you're you're gonna see, Um, you're not
gonna see his best when he's in a drop back game.
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I like Lamar, I think he has to play a
certain style of football to be uber successful. I think
what teams have done the last two weeks is they
fires on them. So they changed his looks, changed his reads,
changed some of the angles of the run game. Uh,
flooded coverages in areas he didn't think they could be coverage,
and he didn't think there'd be coverage, and he's ended
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up holding the ball a little bit and second guess himself,
Like all these young quarterbacks, the more they see it,
the more they wrap it, the more comfortable to get
with it, the more successful have against it. Yeah, I guess.
My My question is, like, you're right. I mean, it's
Baker Mayfield, the confusing coverages, and it it looked like
you know, Jared Goff in addition to pressure in his face,
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kind of confusing coverages. Like right, there is a kind
of narrative that if you just haven't seen him, you
don't know kind of what you're looking at, and they
kind of fool you. Um. But but my question is,
even when he does recognize it, will he ultimately be
accurately accurate enough to make teams play at times. Yeah,
And I mean that's what I said coming out of
the draft, and that's what it was at Louisville. Uh.
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And I think, you know, he'll be better, but it's
never gonna be precise. That that's never gonna be a
word you used with him, is precision. It's gonna be
the Butcher verse surgeon analogy. Um, you know, a butcher's
sharp tools too, but he gets you a p astronomy sandwich.
A surgeon has very sharp tools and he saved your life.
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Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes is becoming
that their surgeons. I think Lamar will be in that
Butcher category, much like Cam Newton has been the majority
of his career. Like Josh Allen, I think is right
now where they have high ceilings, they can do some
really cool things. They have the flash and sizzle, but
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they're not necessarily gonna save your life with precision. Ranil
for our guest in the Doug Outlet Show on Fox
Sports Radio, Uh, your impressions on Daniel Jones now that
we've seen him two weeks in. You know, I was
just having lunch with somebody that said I might be
wrong on Daniel Jones, and I you know, I've never
been afraid to be wrong. Um. I did not see
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this level of athleticism from him at Duke. Uh. Now
you can see his athletic, but this level of athletics athleticism.
He also didn't see this confidence. And you know, maybe
it's just because I didn't studied hard enough. Maybe, but
you didn't see him with the swag, with this kind
of inner confidences, physical confidence where he almost plays the
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game as if Uh he says, you know, this is
small potatoes for me, it's not too big for him.
Now it's only two games in and we should need
tor react. Um, but boy, it's been impressive. He has
a lot of layers to his game. I think that's
the most impressive thing about Daniel Jones just watched him
for two weeks, is there's a lot of layers to
his game. He's not you can't put him in a
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box right now, this early in his career, and I'm
really excited to see how good he can be. Uh.
Since you started off so well, the Panthers better off
with Kyle Allen than Newton. I think they're better off
from a guy who can play with with rhythm. Now
it sounds like Kyle played great yesterday. I think he
turned over three times, uh, if not more. Um. But
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this offense functions better on time. It functions better when
McCaffrey is you know, the Swiss army knife that he is.
When they can puncture the inside of a defense. Norv
turners as good as there's ever been in football with
creating isolation matchups on the perimeter. Um. And if if
you can play on time in North's offense, you're gonna
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you're gonna be successful. And I think that's what hurts
cam Is is even even when he was one of
the best players in the league, it was on his time.
It wasn't necessary on the offenses time. And if you
stack up sixteen games plus playoffs, you're gonna be way
better off if your quarterbacks playing on time. There'll be
games where you want to playoff schedule and create and
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you know, be Houdini and put the Superman cape on
and that looks awesome. Um, But when you had them
all up in the end of the season, that the
guy's end up playing going deep. Playoffs and the Super
Bowl are the teams where the quarterback plays on time,
and Kyle Allen can do that his darters for real. Yes,
And this is the one. You know, if I was
wrong on Daniel Jones, I was right on this one.
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This is the one. In the middle of last college
football season, I was banging my drum. This is when
I'm still doing some media and I wasn't coaching. He
was the guy I could not stop studying last year.
I watched every single staff of his time at Washington State.
I talked to people that were up and wants to
about him. I did my due diligence. This kid is
the real deal. Now, he doesn't have raw horsepower, but
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he is the next Tony Romo. When Romo came out
there a handful of people have said this guy is
going to be a star, and it took a few
years before you could really see it. Romo's one more
polarizing guys in the league. But I think Minshew is
the Romo. He's the guy that just has that intuitive
field for the game. He is a true passer. He's
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throwing the ball thousands and thousands of times. He's been
the quarterback, He's been through adversity. He thought he was
going to be a coach now he's in the NFL.
I mean, this is a guy that's been through it
all and he just has flat passing instincts and the
ability that intuitive field to kind of create time and
space for himself. He is I think he's going to
be a big time player in this league. Uh. Last
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thing for joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio mentioned Jared Goff and his struggles. What
was it that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were able to
do to get because we know that he's different when
he's pressure. Everbody's differ when they're under pressure, but especially
Jared Goff. What were they able to do to get
so much pressure on one? They're pretty good, They're pretty
good to rush in the passer there. Their scheme is
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pretty good. You know. Um, this has always been a
defensive scheme that's known to get after the passer. Uh.
And the RAMSS kind of lost their identity. You know,
remember where they were rolling when they were really efficient.
It was run run action, run run action, run run action.
And then all of a sudden became kind of dropback world.
And that's not m O yet again. It maybe in
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three or four years, but you know, he's a guy
that's best handing them off and showing hand off, pulling
it out, getting those vertical shots. Um you know, split
in the field in half. I think Shawn did a
great job with them lap share cutting the field in half,
and now they're doing these full field read dropped back
passes ends. At times he's awesome, mat I mean, think
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he threw for five yards or something like that. Those
times he's really good at it. But you're gonna have
more mistakes. And I think what gets lost this time
of the year, every single season, is we start looking
at fantasy points and five yard pastors and touchdown passes,
and we forget the guy that makes the least mistakes
at the end is a guy that's going to be standing.
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And Jared needs to realize that. Sean needs to realize that.
The offense needs to realize that that you mitigate risk
when you hand the ball off more, when you play
action pass more. The more you drop back and throw it,
the more you expose yourself to these catastrophic mistakes. Trent,
great stuff, best of luck this weekend with the Lipscomb Academy,
and we really appreciate you joining us. Be sure to
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catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show week
days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. So Laron James,
who is never gonna go to college and is the
exception to every rule, has come out vociferously demanding that
college athletes are pay for their name and likeness. And
of course he found a friendly uh friendly year in
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Gavin Newsom, who's the governor of the state of California,
one which I'm a taxpaying citizen of I grew up here.
And UH today dropped the news version of the shop right,
which is the barbershop which bron says they invented barbershop
and discussion okay, which he didn't. And he's not able
to trademark. And it's not real barbershop discussion if there's
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no counter to it. It's just a bunch of guys
not in going yep yep. It sounds just like any
barbershop debate that there has ever been. But but here's
the thing, and I understand that many of you think
that the college student athletes somehow, as Gavin Newsom, the
governor California said, don't get anything for playing in college. Okay,
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there's a word that rhymes with full that ends with
something that rhymes with hit. Right, it's be It's completely
and the idea that the governor of California would sit
would utter this mistruth, find out lie isn't the whole
thing is and you should all be embarrassed. Now, you
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might not like the deal which continues to improve for
the high school student athlete to play for free in college, right,
but it's like we've completely forgotten that Felicity Huffman, though
she's only going to jail for like a week and
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a half, is going to jail because she paid hundreds
of thousands of dollars for what all of us, and
I'm saying us as a college student athlete got for free,
which is entrance into a university. The idea that you
get nothing. If you want to say, hey, I don't
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think it's enough, I would argue with you, and I
would say it keeps getting better. And the more we give,
the more entitlement you create. That there, in my by
my estimation, we have an uneven balance where athletes get everything,
get treated so fondly, so kindly that they don't under
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we're not preparing them for real life. Real life is hard.
It's a job it is a job. If you consider
that they can't be fired. There's a limit on how
many hours per week they can do that job. They
actually want to do it. They get Champion four it
and and by the way, over compensated for it. But
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the idea of not getting anything. I challenge you to
ask yourself, honestly, how valuable is a college not just degree,
but everything else. What you don't realize is everything you're
going to do in your professional life. I know this
is gonna draw upon college. Well, they make here's another lie.
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They make billions of dollars off these kids. Yes, if
you want to factor in gross revenue from TV deals
that are twenty years combining ten to fourteen universities, sure
that's billions of dollars, but it's not over twenty years.
It's one student athlete who doesn't really have value. I
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bring this up all the time. The basketball player actually
has the least value in comparison to the football player
because the basketball basketball doesn't make much money for a university.
It doesn't. It just doesn't. Go look at the football
makes money and basketball players who aren't really that valuable
but think they are and have a loud voice like
Lebron James. They only have to stay there if they
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want right now, for six months, and they don't even
have to go. They go to the G League. And
if their name and likeness aside from the university was
worth anything, then why don't they go to the G
League and get a shoot deal and get a card
deal and be a spokesman for something. The answer is
that's a free market. There are no limitations in the
G League and what deals you can negotiate outside of
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your uniform. You gotta wear the uniform that's sponsored by Gatorade,
and all the teams have a sponsor thing that you
can't change. But everything else you can be a spokesman
for whatever you want. Why don't any of them do it?
Because the value is in the brand of college athletics
and the school that they go to. And even if
you want this high idea that you don't get anything,
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yes you do. You may not get enough for you,
you may not get what you think you're worth. But
the truth is getting into college has a value. While
you're there. The support you get academic and sports support,
as well as mental health, regular health, whatever you want,
it's all taken care of. Food, clothing, dorms, everything all
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taken care of. And then when you're done, what do
you What do you do? You call on your college
experience to get a job, to have friends, all your relationships,
and you don't have college debt, which is at an
all time high. Colleges are harder get into than they've
ever been, They're more expensive than there ever been, and
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yet the student athlete experiences none of this. Do you
know what we say, don't all of us say as
former athletes, we go back to our old school and
we go back and we pop into the equipment room
and we get some gear, We get some new shoes,
get some sweats, get some swag, and then we go
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to the football game. We get free seats, and then
we go to the basketball jim we get some shots up.
You know, we call it on scholarship. It's a running joke,
but you actually are on scholarship for life. He has
Mamber Perry Ellis played in Kansas, felt like he played
forever because he was going bald. He played four years.
It is out of witch Tak, Kansas. He's back in
Kansas getting his degree, able to coach. Why because the
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n c A has mandated that now you can go
back any time and even getting a vance degree and
become a coach, you're actually not under compensated, your overcompensated.
But if that's not enough for you're getting into school,
which parents are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars under
the table try and get their kids into. If that's
not enough, that's an argument, but saying they don't get anything.
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As the governor of California who the cow bears, cal
athletics okay, was so badly in debt that the chancellor
had to had to grant them forty million dollars in
bot in bailouts over two years and still is doing
so because they're not actually making money because we're taking
gross revenue and making it in this net revenue, which
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is not so I'm not for the entitlement of athletes.
I do think there's unintended consequences, including taxing college athletics,
which we haven't discussed. And if this is the beginning
of the end of college athletics, remember today was the
day in Lebron is responsible
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