October 18, 2019 • 33 mins
Doug tells you why Chiefs fans are going through the 5 stages of grief and why you shouldn’t expect Patrick Mahomes back anytime soon. He also thinks the criticism of Eagles QB Carson Wentz is completely undeserved and inaccurate. Plus, NFL Insider Adam Caplan joins the show to tell Doug what the Chiefs will do while Mahomes is out and why the Saints are winning games without Drew Brees.
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Man,
what a what a interesting night we had talk about
an interesting night in UH in the National Football League
where Pat Mahomes ends up getting hurt and dislocates his kneecap,
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and the reports are, Um, what you're going to hear
from everybody in Kansas City is hey, best case scenario, Uh,
this is what happened. Best case scenario, that's what took place. Well, actually,
the truth is, the best case scenario is you don't
get hurt, right right, And UM, I I fully completely
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understand that it could have been worse. UM, but it
wasn't good and you're not going to have your quarterback.
And let's also keep in mind, UM, let's also keep
in mind that while it isn't that bad and it
could have been worse. It is not something that you're
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just going to throw him back out there. Myhomes had
a bad ankle, was playing well, they were gonna win
the game. It's a it's a quarterback. Sneak stuff does happen.
It's football. But remember you're you have a quarterback who
at the end of this year, everyone assumes he's going
to sign the biggest contract in the history of the sport.
Kancity Chiefs are looking at this like it's a lifetime contract.
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He's their quarterback for the next ten years. So as
much as you feel like your Super Bowl window can
close or you could fall out of the playoffs. One
they're in the a f C West, which Chargers have
been very disappointing. Broncos aren't any good obviously, they smashed
him yesterday and the Raiders, while surprising, it's not like
they're going to run away and hide. You can hang around.
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But more than anything, you gotta look long term, not
short term, long term, not short term. But uh, I
do think that Chiefs fans are going to go through
all five stages of crisis right like like denial. The
first stage is denial. I will be fine fine without him,
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will be okay Man more solid. He's solid, right like
we've had We've had Alex Smith, who his captain checkdown,
We've had other quarterbacks. Look at all the talent we have.
We're we're fine. You know. There's also a little bit
of anger there was last night that will be continuing
to have anger, which is what in the world was
any Reid doing? How having a quarterback sneak with Pat Mahomes.
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Forget the fact that Tom Brady has a quarterback sneak
at least once, if not twice a game, and that
is in fact football, Like, we can't wrap these guys
in bubble wrap, and generally having a guy stand as
a statue in a pocket that's gonna collapse is more
dangerous on your body than sneaking forward. Then they'll go
through bargaining. You know, maybe we can trade for cam
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or Mariota. Here's mine. What about Nick Foles? What about fools?
There's Minshew mania in Jacksonville. Foles knows this offense from
his time in Philadelphia. Why not Nick Foles? Never know?
There's there's depression, right, Um, they had to play the
Packers next week. They'll probably get smashed by the Packers.
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And it was supposed to be this epic showdown between
the Packers and the Chiefs, the Aaron Rodgers against kind
of the future Aaron Rodgers. And we'll see if ultimately
there's acceptance all five stages for the Kanca City Chiefs.
But can see Chiefs fans. But I think it's most
important to recognize, I mean, ridiculously, seriously incredibly important to
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recognize that last night was huge. Last night was big
because the only thing you felt like could derail Pat
Mahomes is a debilitating injury. And I know that Drew
Brees suffered one that was his shoulder. I see Tom
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Brady suffered one that was his knee. Heck, Philip Rivers
suffered one that was his knee. So this does happen.
The problem is kind of the casual in this with
Oh the knee popped out, you pop it in, no
structure damage, You're fine, Like, no, he's not, he's not
Riggs from uh from uh uh, Yeah, I mean he's
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he this is he's not lethal weapons. Riggs doesn't just
pop his shoulder out and pop it back in. We
need to escape from the bad guys. Don't pop your
knee back in. I mean, I guess you do. The
problem with the knee popping out and popping back in
with such ease is was the stop from popping out
and pop back in again, right? And every time it
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pops out it becomes even looser. You know, this is
like a shredding a screw, right, like the first time
you get it out that but the more and more
you do it, the worst it becomes. So this is
not me predicting gloom and doom for pat Mahomes long term.
But I think the idea that people are sitting walking
around Kansas City, are walking around with their fantasy team
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or just walking around as NFL fans going Che's to
be fine. They're already five and two. You know, we'll
be fine without him. You've got Packers and Vikings. You're
not winning either of those two games. And by the way,
those are two home games. Right, you got Patrick Vikings,
then you go to the Titans. We'll see what they
look like by then. Then you got the Chargers who
beat you at home last year, and that's a divisional
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game before you get the Raiders another divisional game. He's
not playing in these Am I gonna play against the Patriots?
Do you know how long it's gonna be until you
see him again. You know they have the twelveth most
difficult remaining schedule. I look at that this is a
dramatic change in the a f C. Because even if
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he's cleared to play, are you going to put him
out there like? This is? This is this isn't any
other quarterback. This is the most prized possession in the NFL.
I tweeted this, and you can go through my my tweets,
and there's a lot of them. I'm kind of embarrassingly so,
but I tweeted this a couple of weeks ago. The
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Kid City Chiefs went from being kind of the punchline
too many jokes for NFL fans. Aren't terrible in the playoffs,
especially at home, Andy Reid finding way to lose Earla
blah blah blah. To the nvy of NFL teams, you
had arguably the best quarterback, if not maybe not best quarterback,
best arm and guy with the best talent in the league,
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still under rookie control, right with a quarterback friendly offense,
a quarterback friendly head coach, and a team totally built
around his skill set. Like all of these things are
perfect you went from that to this is a nightmare scenario.
A nightmare scenario. You've already lost two out of three.
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You've got the Packers coming in, the Vikings coming in.
Those are two teams with dynamic defenses, good pass rushes.
They're gonna get after Matt Moore and now they'll have
more of a book on him. Then you go to
the Titans, Chargers at Home, Raiders and Patriots. And while
you can hear the well, I'll only missed three games.
If it's three, plan on it being six. Because this
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is not a two year, three year relationship that the
Chiefs want to have with Pat Mahomes. They don't want
No one wants to be the Golden State Warriors, who
people still think even that Kevin Durant was like, look,
no one had anything to do with me playing seven
for me. That's still not good enough for NBA players,
for NBA fan like, oh, Golden State knew, they knew
he was gonna leave. They didn't care. They like not
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that Pat Mahomes isn't going anywhere anywhere. They want him
to stay. They want him to be the greatest quarterback
in the history of the Chiefs, and that includes a
great Len Dawson and Joe Montana who was there, and
and and the great Elvis goer back. And if they
want that to happen, they're gonna air on the side
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of caution. That's what we all do. And when you
have a quarterback who's in his second year as a
full time starter and his knee pops out, and the
only thing that keeps knees from popping out more often
is rest and continual rehab and staying off of it right,
staying away from the contact which may have popped that knee.
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I'm telling you he's going to be out much longer
than they say, because caution will win the day. And
in the meantime, a team that is completely and totally
built around his skill set, his offense, his arm, talent,
his feet, he he hadn't. I mean, look, we we
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brought the stats to you yesterday about how you know,
the long drives and beat on the field for more
plays and longer drives than anybody in the league would
ultimately keep him from a Super Bowl. But that's because
he hid everything else. He was a great deodorant. And
while Matt Moore is a competent backup who for a
game or two, game or two he can survive, but
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not against the elites of the league. And that's what
you have with the Packers. I mean, think about the Packers.
When did they play last They just played on a
Thursday night, so they have I mean, they just played
on a Monday night. Now they play the Raiders at home. Meanwhile,
they have time to uh to to get tape on
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Matt Moore to know this offense. And by the way,
it's the same offense the Bears run. So there aren't
any There aren't gonna be nearly the number of surprises
for other teams that cross over and play against the
Chiefs as there are throughout the NFC. But I'm just
word to the wise Chiefs fans the five stages of grieving.
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You may be through denial, now, you may be through anger.
What is Andy Reid doing with a bargaining We could
trade for you can't trade for can't you can't trade
for somebody who doesn't know the offense. There might be
a little depression right now, but I'm encouraging you to
get to acceptance, outright acceptance. Once you get to acceptance,
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you'll realize that there's a chance last night's injury. There's
a chance last night's injury takes you out of the
playoffs essentially in your season. He's that good, he's that
important to this team short term and long term. They're
gonna air on the side of caution. Their schedules the
tenth toughest remaining, and most of those tough games are
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during the period in which he'll be out. That was
a massive, massive injury, even if it was a big
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I Heart Radio ah AP. All right, let's welcome to
the NFL insider Adam Kaplan. He joins us in the
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Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio and and Adam,
how big an injury do you think? Mahomes is dislocated
kneecap was it is? It's big dog go to talk
to you. Yeah, here's why, Matt Matt Moore given credit
and he read did a great job of managing him.
But it was a little bit ugly. I mean, you're
talking to a guy who semi retired. He was going
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to get into scouting and maybe some coaching. And this
just tells you this. Tay the backup play the national
football It gets hard to get good backup quarterbacks, but
they'll be able to manage it. They do have a
run game. It's gonna be a minimum three weeks, it
could be more than that. I know that Mahomes is
told after the X ray, we think there's no other damage,
and that's what the m r I confirmed this morning.
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The images were good and that's good. Look it was
an injury where you you look at and you go, okay,
what exactly happened and then you see the medical staff
reset his knew. That was kind of interesting. The video
that we saw there so that much better than you
it looked. And they're going to be impacted because they're
not gonna be able to play the offense the same way. Yeah,
I and the other part two. It is no matter
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when we want to say he's going to be healthy,
he's going to be right. There's no chance to the
Chiefs who want him to be their quarterback for the
next ten fifteen years, are going to rush him back.
If we hear three games, it feels like it will
be six. Now, you know, I'm glad you said that,
because the one thing when I deal with teams, they say, hey,
this is the time frame. They might say three weeks,
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four weeks. Well, it's a knee injury that does not
need to be repaired. You could rehab it, but it's
not gonna you could be looking at three to five weeks. Now.
Their hope is that if all goes well once he's
out practice, once he starts practicing, that there's enough strength
in the anyth he has somebody setbacks, and maybe before
the week twelve by he plays at the Chargers. But
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that that to me is a little bit by the sky.
But the best thing happened here is that there's no
ligament damage. Um, there's nothing associated with with the kneecap,
nothing other than the injury that happened last night, no
additional damage. That's the best they can hope for now.
Now you wait, and he's gonna have to wear a
brace on that knee. By the way, It's not like
he's just gonna go out there and run. He that's
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the other thing that people are not understanding, Doug. He's
gonna have to change the way he plays with that
knee brace. He won't be running as much, and he
already had the bad ankle, and and everything they do
is built around him. And then the whole thing is fascinating.
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All right, let's let's make our way around the national
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football Let's let's talk about those Eagles. The biggest game
of the weekend, I would say is is Eagles versus Cowboys.
Let's let's take the Cowboys perspective. They get their book
in schles back at practice. Still no word on their
wide receivers. What are your thoughts on that offense versus
the Eagles defense. Yeah, it's a great question. So so
we know, we know Mariy Cooper's got his issue with
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his Bruce quadrasteps that you're concerned about both tackles. The
pretty I know this, so pretty hopeful for one will play.
They don't know if both will play. But that's a
problem I mentioned Cooper. Defensively, They've got some injuries in
the secondary, by the way, Philly's really banged up. But
the Eagle secondary was the trocious. Last week. I had
a veteran personnel man see that he never had seen
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so many missed assignments. He's fact, he felt. On defense
they had at least a dozen and quite frankly, if
the Vikings tried to try to put on more points
in the fourth quarter, they might have scored fifty. That's
all embarrassing was the Eagle secondary. However, They're gonna get
Jalen Mills, who started from them at quarterback in the
Super Bowl, from his broken foot. He's been out for
almost the calendar year. They're hopeful with Ronald Darby the
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other starting quarter to come back. That is a big
reason why I think they could win that game. But
guess what, They're gonna have their left their their left tackle,
first round pick Andre Dillard starting his first NFL game,
going against that really good cowboy front. That's gonna be okay.
So let's let's let's talk about the Eagles. They lead
the league in drops, right, and this is big for
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whether it's big for Carson wins with the Eagles or not.
It feels big because you got Doc who wants Carson
Wentz money. It's the same draft, etcetera, etcetera. You mentioned
their defensive problems, what about offensively? Obviously Deshan Jackson was
supposed to take the top off the defense. Um, you
know you didn't have your best wide receiver for start
of the year, and they had all those big drops
which caused a couple of those those losses. What what
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where is that offense? It's not good. They cannot get
the ball downfield at all. They have no one who
could run. Nelson aghil Are the former first round pick
and fifteen chip Kelly Chips last year. He's one of
a slot receiver, vertical slide. He's not really a deep threat.
Doesn't track the ball real well. They have a compressed
pass the game. This is why in this game you're
gonna see it. I'm pretty certain of it. The way
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you beat the Cowboys defense, you throw. It's the safety
to get the tight ends involved. Evan Ingram, the tight
end for the Giants, killed them in Week one. Ingram,
by the way, we'll be back this week from his
great one mcl S brain. But getting back to the
Eagles here that they're gonna have to use the tight ends.
Moore Dallas got at their second round pick last year
was a big factor against Minnesota last week. That's what
they're gonna have to do. And by the way, to
Shaun Jackson was incredible week one, but I'm told he's
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got a great to Ava and Adam and tear, and
it's right down that it's the swords muscle core injury.
They don't know what exactly it's gonna be back there,
hopeful for next week at Buffalo, but they're not even
certain right now. And without him, Doug, their passing games
completely different. Um No. Alvin Kamara at practice today for
the Saints. Teddy Bridgewater continues to improve and you know
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they've they've band aided this thing without Drew Brees quite well.
But now that this different animal going to Chicago taking
on the Bears. What are your thoughts on the Saints
on the road. Traditionally not a great open weather team,
but the Bears have their own offensive issues, Doug. The
big story about the football team is not how Teddy
bridge words I believe or not. It's how great their
defense has been. Their defense is the best defense they
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put together in ten years. They have no weakness. I
would argue if Marcus Lattimoer's in Dentaville's the best corner.
He's top three. He's a phenomenal player. He's shutting everyone down.
They play a lot of man coverage with him. Does
a great job. I'm picking the Saints to win this game.
I don't think they're gonna have a problem. I know
the Bears are coming off of their buy and teams
benefits from having a buy. But this samet defense, believe
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or not, it travels well, and I think they'll come
out and win this game. M travels well. Something we
haven't Yeah, something something we have not heard from the
from the from the Saints in the in the in
the past. All right, Uh, let me work my way
to the U to the Green Bay Packers. They get
a win. They they kind of survive against the Detroit Lions,
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and now they get the Oakland Raiders, who are a
surprising team. Um, but you know the Packers, It's been
a series of drops and the defense at times has
allowed has allowed stuff to be gashed with the running game,
and you're coming up against the team and the Raiders
that they want get rid of quickly and run the
football any chance the Raiders have for an upset. Here's
what's the problem. Is the number one to see what.
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Arry Williams will not play with his turf till injury,
and then and then um the right tackle twin Trent
Brown is not expected to play. That's a problem for me.
I know they're coming off of a bye. This is
gonna be hard. They don't score a lot of points,
and they just got to rely on Josh Jacob to
their first round pick. I don't feel really good about
I'm gonna do. I give him a chance yet because
they can run the football on Their defense surprisingly has
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played pretty well lately, but Green play. Green Bay is
still great at home. I don't see them getting done.
And I don't know who's gonna make a play for
other than Darren Waller, who got this nice extension. What
a great story he is. They're tight end. I just
don't see him scoring enough. I think the Packers, one
way or another will win that game. Yeah, that's what
are your thoughts on the Jail and Ramsey trade. I'm
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the only thing that surprised me is it got done
this early. I know there are a bunch of teams
in it. The Eagles were one of them. I just
don't I just don't think teams were willing to give
up not only first on picks two of them. I
one GM telling me, look, and we give up two
fresh room picks. We're getting some back like the Raiders.
Like the Bears did in the Mac trade, they actually
got a second back if you're giving up to two ones.
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The only team that is willing to beat that that
I know of was the Rams. No I know that
a bunch of teams were in it. No one that
I know I was able to beat two ones and
a four, and that's why they got it done. But
let me just tell you some about the Rams. Keep
to leave on I are there other starting corner. It's
gonna be a problem opposite Jayala Ramsey if he does
play on Sunday. Did practice well, I'm told yesterday John Johnson.
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They are standing young safety is on into reserve. They've
got they're beat up in the offensive line. They're not
running the ball wells doug As they were away in
the season. They still have a lot of problems here
when they play the Stompkins on Sunday. All right, what
about the Seahawks to keep finding a way right, I
probably should have lost to the Rams. Go and beat
the Browns on the road, and they just they find
a way. Now you got the Ravens coming in, and
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the Ravens against the elite level teams, Lamar Jackson showing
his ceilings against the lower level team He's been dominant. Um,
Lamar Jackson year two, Are you more of a buyer now?
I'm a little bit of a buyer. I had a
nice talk with Greg Roman, their offensive coordinator, when he
came to Philly when they had combined practices, and look,
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this is a guy developed Colin Kaepernick, and Greg Roman
is probably the best run game designer in the National
Football League. My only problem with Lamar Jackson is Doug
runs the ball way too much. And he's not like
a big guy like Cam Newton. It's not six ft five,
he's six just over six ft two, a little bit wiry.
You're asking for trouble. And Josh Allen, the quarterback for
the Bills, also running too much. I really worry when
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when quarterbacks run too much. But it's working right now
because Romans creating so much space for for Jackson to run.
He's doing a great job on the road at Seattle.
By the way, Seahawks getting back Jarren Reid. They're really
good defensive tackle from six games suspension. That should impact
their defense, and I'll be interested to see if if
the Ravens can really get the run game going. Cant
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I would say the Chargers might be the most disappointing
team this season, and I know they've had a lot
of injuries. They just got back their left tackle from
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blood cloud issues. You don't have Derwin James, they have
a Hunter Henry. For a couple of games, they go
and take on a Tennessee team that has decided the
Marcus Mariota era is over. These are two teams just
kind of grasping it at something. Um, what are your
thoughts first on the Chargers if they can turn this
ship around, Doug, you hit onto top here. Their their
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defensive injuries are major put down. James of course is
the biggest one. Two other top three safeties are out.
They're not getting the pastors that you have in the past.
They're doing the best they can to run. Defense isn't
great and they can't pro check now when you talk
about Russell comb with coming back from his pulmonary embolism,
he's practicing. He may not play this week, though they
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they're not sure yet. They'll they'll figure that out. But
once they get him back, their defense, excuse me, their
offensive line was atrocious in their last game. It's hard
to it's hard to win, and it's hard to win
you when you can't protect. So that's a problem of Tennessee.
Let's get over to that Marcus Mario being benched. Yes, look,
let's not forget this personnel staff and coaching staff. Doug
inherited this quarterback. That to me is a problem unless
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less Ryan Tannehill doesn't even play fair football. I don't
think Mario it will get another start in They gotta
win games. Their defense is fantastic. They have a real
good chance to get Cam Wake back from his hamstring injuries.
There outside linebacker who has added a good veteran presence.
I think Ryan Tannehill has got a better army to
give him a little bit of juice and the hopefully
though that you know, they've got a coaching staff that
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it's the first time they've been in charge of a
quarterback before, like a situation like this. This is not
easy to change quarterbacks in the middle of the season.
But their defense is so good. I think they'll find
a way to win this game. Yeah, what what is?
What is the major issue with Mariota not seeing the
field well, not getting rid of the football quickly. He's
too deliberate, he needs to. He's just not been real accurate.
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They're having trouble processing their offense. He's just not getting
with the football and time. Now. Ironically, Ryan Tannehill's problem
is he's to see it and throw it. That means waits, waits, wait,
it's throws it. But he's got a much better on
the Mariota. When Mariota looked like he's one of the
better young quarterbacks in the league, but he was throwing
the ball on rhythm very accurate. Also, would would be
a threat with his legs. And he's just not the
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same player anymore. It could be too many injuries. But
one thing I would say is the offensive coordinator Arthur Smith,
first year calling play has never developed a quarterback. Pad o'hia,
the quarterbacks coach, only his second year of coaching quarterbacks.
I think this has I think quarterback development it's sometimes
is tied to how long these guys have worked with quarterbacks.
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And I'm not gonna put it on them on Marcus Mariota.
I think everyone's got a hand on this. Yeah, I mean,
look at look at what Kansas City did to develop
Patma homes and the layers that they have. Look what
what Philadelphia has done to develop card Carson Wentz. And
there's there's a reason those young guys have. In fact,
even even look at Dallas, you know, um and what
they're trying to do to develop Dak Dak Prescott. It's
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it's different than what what Tennessee is doing. Let me
ask you about Cleveland. You mentioned inaccuracies and and suddenly
a guy who was playing well not playing well? How
how deep are the issues with Baker Mayfield? Are they fixable?
They are? He's got some interest with accuracy before he
was he accurate last year. He needs to settle down.
He's playing too fast, he's not letting the game go
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up come to him. But the other problems which he
has done to do with and I knew this. I
told people, they've gotta blow average offensive line. It's been
well below average. It's just it's been a nightmare. They
don't protect well. The only thing they do is they
run the ball well. But there their line is not
very good. And John Dorsey there there, their general manager.
I think he's got to be in the market for
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offensive line and that's something they may do before the
trade deadline. They just traded one, an awesome corver to
the Rams, former second round and state who I had
a personel guys say, look, one personnel guy I'm really
close with said, look, I had a third round graide
on him, not a two. But he may wind up
starting for the Rams in a couple of weeks. Okay,
let me asking about Trent Williams really quickly before we
let you go. Obviously he's the big get out there.
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He don't want to play the Redskins. Redskins want a
pirates ransom for him. What's the market like for him
in terms of the value and where do you see
him going? Yeah, well Cleveland, Cleveland's looking for for helping
the offensive line. He he's a left tackle, not a
right tackle. He could help them immediately. There will be
a there's a good market for him, but they're not
willing to do it. But see, this is what I've
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always said, and John John Elway the GM and that
the Broncos is probably gonna come down to the same thing.
They won two in a row now they just got
embarrassed at home. If they lose again, they'll be two
and six at the trade deadline. You got a move
players who don't want to be there or who were
the last year of their deals. Chris Harris the corner.
I think he'll wind up getting moved if they lose
next week. May Neil Sanders also on the front of
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his deal. There should be some action on him. Trent Williams.
He doesn't want to be there. You saw Jayla Lamsey
did he didn't want to be there. The guy doesn't
want to be there in the end, and you can't
men fancies that God won't meet with you. What is
the point? Get value? You're not going anywhere. I think
I think Pres Salent's gotta get realistic here. They're gonna
have a new coaching step next year. You might as
well start with a new left tackle. Adam Caplan NFL
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Insider series Sex m Great. Follow on Twitter at Kaplan
NFL and check out his podcast Inside the Birds. Adam
what a great wealth? Wealth of information you are. Thanks
so much for joining us. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug god Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Joseine Anderson's an outstanding
NFL insider for ESPN. Her report has this, uh this
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quote from an unnamed Eagles player. We need to make
bleep simpler. Sometimes it needs to just handle what it
is manageable. Even Peyton Manning new one to check it down.
Arrison Wentz right now is thirty eight percent on passes
that travel fifteen yards in the air and has three
interceptions on passes like that, which is tied from motion
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the league UM Josina Anderson said, he also has a
hundred forty eight passes on those that are ten yards
are fewer right now. He has nine touchdowns zero interceptions
on passes like that, So I do think it's an
app point. This is Anderson reporting both an unnamed players
quotes and the stats to kind of back up the
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idea of Carson Wentz forcing the ball downfield too much.
But this is where stats don't really tell the story
unless you tell all the stats. The Eagles lead the
league and drop passes. Nelson Aglar against the against Atlanta
Falcons in his hands, zach Ertz, in his hands, Um,
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they lead the league in drop passes. Their offenses third
in the NFL in third down conversion percentage, which by
the way, is like the most important number. That in
red zone percentage of the two most important ones. And
there their fourth in red zone touchdown conversion. So those
are the two most important deaths. That and and giveaways.
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Their ninth in points per game. What's the problem? Points
per game given up defensively five most passing touchdowns fourth
most passing touchdowns. Remember a week uh, they're loss to
the Falcons, Aglar dropped a wide open past that would
have won them the game. And in week three against
the Lions, J Say j j R. Sega Whiteside, the
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kid from Stanford dropped the four yard bomb that went
through on fourth and fifteen seconds remaining trailing by three.
The Falcons drop was Aglar, I think a minute fifty
three to go on third down, wide open and by
the way, same game, Zakurtz, you know, uh, a little
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comeback route that was like a yard short of the sticks.
Otherwise trailing by six, they got first and goal. And
remember their top five in league in red zone touchdown
conversion percent, So what exactly are we talking about? Yeah,
you want to check it down, and yeah they've been
successful on checking down, but part of it is they
don't really have Deshaun Watts. They're not Sean Jackson to
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take the top off the defense. So sometimes you gotta
force things to free things up. Like, what are we
really talking about? The unnamed player who's the named player
running back was gonna get a checkdown? Is that what
it is? So we're dealing with here now now, it's
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it's just it's a it's a quote that we were
gonna blow out of proportion because it's a big game,
because it's Whence against DAC, because the Eagles got their
ask whop. Last week, you just heard Adam Kaplan joined
us last hour Adam Caplan's NFL Inside for serious sex
m and he said a defensive coach said they had
eleven missed assignments, the most those guys that ever see
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means coach had watched, ever seen in one NFL game.
Eleven missed assignments. That's crazy town USA numbers. That's really
those are really crazy, crazy numbers. So I understand that
what happens with wins, and this is what happens to everybody.
You get that big contract, we're gonna we're gonna evaluate
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you differently. That'd become like a look at Jared golf
Jariedoff's offensive lines terrible, Todd Gurley hadn't played last couple
of weeks, and suddenly why why did you get and
and there were a question about Jaredgoff's contract when you
gave him that contract, But we're also coming off a
year and when she led the Rams to a super Bowl,
and whatever you think of the blown call in New Orleans,
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the Rams did win the game on the road, and
Jared Goff was their quarterback, didn't score an offensive touchdown
the Super Bowl, didn't play well. But considering he's in
his what third year in the league, last year, fourth
year in the league, this year, like he's trending to
being an elite quarterback end you want cost certainty, I
would agree they probably overpaid Jared goffin Maybe he didn't
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have to Bay Carson Wentz so much money because those
guys got those early guaranteed deals. But when you have
your guy, you lock up your guy, you got conscertainty
of that position. The prices are only going up. And
Carson Wentz unlike Jared Goff, unlike Dak Prescott, unlike any
of these other quarterbacks, as outside of Pat Mahomes, who
was the NFL's MVP, he was gonna be the MVP
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the two years ago they towards a c L and
they had the Super Bowl hangover. He was coming back
from injury. Offensive line wasn't as good, defense wasn't as good,
the outcome wasn't as good. But the numbers would tell
you that Carson Wentz has been on target as much
or more in any quarterback in the league. He hadn't
had to Sean Jackson, he didn't have um all Sean
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Jeffrey early in the year, and they're still competitive in
spite of the fact that they had Leagan drops. So
what exactly we're talking about, Like, if you think they're
losing because of Carson Wentz, you you have to either
be watching you're not watching red zone because the red
zone conversion percentage the top five in the league. I
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don't know what you're watching. I don't I don't know
what you're watching. They are losing because their defensive backfield stinks.
They're losing because they don't get the quarterback like they
used to. They're losing because they've had a ton of
drops and a ton of injuries at positions where he's
gonna throw them to the football that that's where they're losing.
Has he been perfect? No, No quarterback is perfect. I
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have searched for perfection yet to find it. You know,
Pat Mahomes throws some picks. We all always got a
bad ankle before he popped out his knee, of us,
I always got a bad ankle, Like, okay, he had
some injuries to The best guys are gonna look Aaron Rodgers.
You know they weren't good the first couple of weeks, right,
I mean, the best guys are the best guys for
a reason. Carson Wentz is one of the best guys.
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Do you haven't figured that out yet. There's actually statistical
analysis that tells you he's playing like the best or
one of the top two or three quarterbacks in the
entire freaking league. And so whatever this unnamed player is,
that's just what happens when you're when you're the highest
paid guy, when you're the quarterback, when you're the golden child,
you're gonna have somebody who and it does feel like like, look,
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the check it down thing feels like a swipe at him,
but the complexity thing feels like a swipe at the offense.
Like they're they're trying to dall some stuff up, they're
trying to do some special stuff up because they feel
like they don't have the personnel to have those explosive plays.
I'm not saying with this in with any disrespect to
Josina Anderson's unnamed report. I'm just simply pointing out that
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most of the stats belie the idea that Carson Wentz
isn't playing well and actually tell the story that the
wide receivers aren't playing well, that the defense isn't playing well,
and that feels like a more accurate depiction of what's
actually taking place.
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Man,
what a what a interesting night we had talk about
an interesting night in UH in the National Football League
where Pat Mahomes ends up getting hurt and dislocates his kneecap,
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and the reports are, Um, what you're going to hear
from everybody in Kansas City is hey, best case scenario, Uh,
this is what happened. Best case scenario, that's what took place. Well, actually,
the truth is, the best case scenario is you don't
get hurt, right right, And UM, I I fully completely
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understand that it could have been worse. UM, but it
wasn't good and you're not going to have your quarterback.
And let's also keep in mind, UM, let's also keep
in mind that while it isn't that bad and it
could have been worse. It is not something that you're
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just going to throw him back out there. Myhomes had
a bad ankle, was playing well, they were gonna win
the game. It's a it's a quarterback. Sneak stuff does happen.
It's football. But remember you're you have a quarterback who
at the end of this year, everyone assumes he's going
to sign the biggest contract in the history of the sport.
Kancity Chiefs are looking at this like it's a lifetime contract.
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He's their quarterback for the next ten years. So as
much as you feel like your Super Bowl window can
close or you could fall out of the playoffs. One
they're in the a f C West, which Chargers have
been very disappointing. Broncos aren't any good obviously, they smashed
him yesterday and the Raiders, while surprising, it's not like
they're going to run away and hide. You can hang around.
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But more than anything, you gotta look long term, not
short term, long term, not short term. But uh, I
do think that Chiefs fans are going to go through
all five stages of crisis right like like denial. The
first stage is denial. I will be fine fine without him,
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will be okay Man more solid. He's solid, right like
we've had We've had Alex Smith, who his captain checkdown,
We've had other quarterbacks. Look at all the talent we have.
We're we're fine. You know. There's also a little bit
of anger there was last night that will be continuing
to have anger, which is what in the world was
any Reid doing? How having a quarterback sneak with Pat Mahomes.
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Forget the fact that Tom Brady has a quarterback sneak
at least once, if not twice a game, and that
is in fact football, Like, we can't wrap these guys
in bubble wrap, and generally having a guy stand as
a statue in a pocket that's gonna collapse is more
dangerous on your body than sneaking forward. Then they'll go
through bargaining. You know, maybe we can trade for cam
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or Mariota. Here's mine. What about Nick Foles? What about fools?
There's Minshew mania in Jacksonville. Foles knows this offense from
his time in Philadelphia. Why not Nick Foles? Never know?
There's there's depression, right, Um, they had to play the
Packers next week. They'll probably get smashed by the Packers.
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And it was supposed to be this epic showdown between
the Packers and the Chiefs, the Aaron Rodgers against kind
of the future Aaron Rodgers. And we'll see if ultimately
there's acceptance all five stages for the Kanca City Chiefs.
But can see Chiefs fans. But I think it's most
important to recognize, I mean, ridiculously, seriously incredibly important to
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recognize that last night was huge. Last night was big
because the only thing you felt like could derail Pat
Mahomes is a debilitating injury. And I know that Drew
Brees suffered one that was his shoulder. I see Tom
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Brady suffered one that was his knee. Heck, Philip Rivers
suffered one that was his knee. So this does happen.
The problem is kind of the casual in this with
Oh the knee popped out, you pop it in, no
structure damage, You're fine, Like, no, he's not, he's not
Riggs from uh from uh uh, Yeah, I mean he's
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he this is he's not lethal weapons. Riggs doesn't just
pop his shoulder out and pop it back in. We
need to escape from the bad guys. Don't pop your
knee back in. I mean, I guess you do. The
problem with the knee popping out and popping back in
with such ease is was the stop from popping out
and pop back in again, right? And every time it
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pops out it becomes even looser. You know, this is
like a shredding a screw, right, like the first time
you get it out that but the more and more
you do it, the worst it becomes. So this is
not me predicting gloom and doom for pat Mahomes long term.
But I think the idea that people are sitting walking
around Kansas City, are walking around with their fantasy team
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or just walking around as NFL fans going Che's to
be fine. They're already five and two. You know, we'll
be fine without him. You've got Packers and Vikings. You're
not winning either of those two games. And by the way,
those are two home games. Right, you got Patrick Vikings,
then you go to the Titans. We'll see what they
look like by then. Then you got the Chargers who
beat you at home last year, and that's a divisional
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game before you get the Raiders another divisional game. He's
not playing in these Am I gonna play against the Patriots?
Do you know how long it's gonna be until you
see him again. You know they have the twelveth most
difficult remaining schedule. I look at that this is a
dramatic change in the a f C. Because even if
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he's cleared to play, are you going to put him
out there like? This is? This is this isn't any
other quarterback. This is the most prized possession in the NFL.
I tweeted this, and you can go through my my tweets,
and there's a lot of them. I'm kind of embarrassingly so,
but I tweeted this a couple of weeks ago. The
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Kid City Chiefs went from being kind of the punchline
too many jokes for NFL fans. Aren't terrible in the playoffs,
especially at home, Andy Reid finding way to lose Earla
blah blah blah. To the nvy of NFL teams, you
had arguably the best quarterback, if not maybe not best quarterback,
best arm and guy with the best talent in the league,
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still under rookie control, right with a quarterback friendly offense,
a quarterback friendly head coach, and a team totally built
around his skill set. Like all of these things are
perfect you went from that to this is a nightmare scenario.
A nightmare scenario. You've already lost two out of three.
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You've got the Packers coming in, the Vikings coming in.
Those are two teams with dynamic defenses, good pass rushes.
They're gonna get after Matt Moore and now they'll have
more of a book on him. Then you go to
the Titans, Chargers at Home, Raiders and Patriots. And while
you can hear the well, I'll only missed three games.
If it's three, plan on it being six. Because this
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is not a two year, three year relationship that the
Chiefs want to have with Pat Mahomes. They don't want
No one wants to be the Golden State Warriors, who
people still think even that Kevin Durant was like, look,
no one had anything to do with me playing seven
for me. That's still not good enough for NBA players,
for NBA fan like, oh, Golden State knew, they knew
he was gonna leave. They didn't care. They like not
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that Pat Mahomes isn't going anywhere anywhere. They want him
to stay. They want him to be the greatest quarterback
in the history of the Chiefs, and that includes a
great Len Dawson and Joe Montana who was there, and
and and the great Elvis goer back. And if they
want that to happen, they're gonna air on the side
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of caution. That's what we all do. And when you
have a quarterback who's in his second year as a
full time starter and his knee pops out, and the
only thing that keeps knees from popping out more often
is rest and continual rehab and staying off of it right,
staying away from the contact which may have popped that knee.
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I'm telling you he's going to be out much longer
than they say, because caution will win the day. And
in the meantime, a team that is completely and totally
built around his skill set, his offense, his arm, talent,
his feet, he he hadn't. I mean, look, we we
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brought the stats to you yesterday about how you know,
the long drives and beat on the field for more
plays and longer drives than anybody in the league would
ultimately keep him from a Super Bowl. But that's because
he hid everything else. He was a great deodorant. And
while Matt Moore is a competent backup who for a
game or two, game or two he can survive, but
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not against the elites of the league. And that's what
you have with the Packers. I mean, think about the Packers.
When did they play last They just played on a
Thursday night, so they have I mean, they just played
on a Monday night. Now they play the Raiders at home. Meanwhile,
they have time to uh to to get tape on
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Matt Moore to know this offense. And by the way,
it's the same offense the Bears run. So there aren't
any There aren't gonna be nearly the number of surprises
for other teams that cross over and play against the
Chiefs as there are throughout the NFC. But I'm just
word to the wise Chiefs fans the five stages of grieving.
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You may be through denial, now, you may be through anger.
What is Andy Reid doing with a bargaining We could
trade for you can't trade for can't you can't trade
for somebody who doesn't know the offense. There might be
a little depression right now, but I'm encouraging you to
get to acceptance, outright acceptance. Once you get to acceptance,
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you'll realize that there's a chance last night's injury. There's
a chance last night's injury takes you out of the
playoffs essentially in your season. He's that good, he's that
important to this team short term and long term. They're
gonna air on the side of caution. Their schedules the
tenth toughest remaining, and most of those tough games are
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during the period in which he'll be out. That was
a massive, massive injury, even if it was a big
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(11:22):
Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio and and Adam,
how big an injury do you think? Mahomes is dislocated
kneecap was it is? It's big dog go to talk
to you. Yeah, here's why, Matt Matt Moore given credit
and he read did a great job of managing him.
But it was a little bit ugly. I mean, you're
talking to a guy who semi retired. He was going
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to get into scouting and maybe some coaching. And this
just tells you this. Tay the backup play the national
football It gets hard to get good backup quarterbacks, but
they'll be able to manage it. They do have a
run game. It's gonna be a minimum three weeks, it
could be more than that. I know that Mahomes is
told after the X ray, we think there's no other damage,
and that's what the m r I confirmed this morning.
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The images were good and that's good. Look it was
an injury where you you look at and you go, okay,
what exactly happened and then you see the medical staff
reset his knew. That was kind of interesting. The video
that we saw there so that much better than you
it looked. And they're going to be impacted because they're
not gonna be able to play the offense the same way. Yeah,
I and the other part two. It is no matter
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when we want to say he's going to be healthy,
he's going to be right. There's no chance to the
Chiefs who want him to be their quarterback for the
next ten fifteen years, are going to rush him back.
If we hear three games, it feels like it will
be six. Now, you know, I'm glad you said that,
because the one thing when I deal with teams, they say, hey,
this is the time frame. They might say three weeks,
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four weeks. Well, it's a knee injury that does not
need to be repaired. You could rehab it, but it's
not gonna you could be looking at three to five weeks. Now.
Their hope is that if all goes well once he's
out practice, once he starts practicing, that there's enough strength
in the anyth he has somebody setbacks, and maybe before
the week twelve by he plays at the Chargers. But
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that that to me is a little bit by the sky.
But the best thing happened here is that there's no
ligament damage. Um, there's nothing associated with with the kneecap,
nothing other than the injury that happened last night, no
additional damage. That's the best they can hope for now.
Now you wait, and he's gonna have to wear a
brace on that knee. By the way, It's not like
he's just gonna go out there and run. He that's
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the other thing that people are not understanding, Doug. He's
gonna have to change the way he plays with that
knee brace. He won't be running as much, and he
already had the bad ankle, and and everything they do
is built around him. And then the whole thing is fascinating.
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All right, let's let's make our way around the national
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football Let's let's talk about those Eagles. The biggest game
of the weekend, I would say is is Eagles versus Cowboys.
Let's let's take the Cowboys perspective. They get their book
in schles back at practice. Still no word on their
wide receivers. What are your thoughts on that offense versus
the Eagles defense. Yeah, it's a great question. So so
we know, we know Mariy Cooper's got his issue with
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his Bruce quadrasteps that you're concerned about both tackles. The
pretty I know this, so pretty hopeful for one will play.
They don't know if both will play. But that's a
problem I mentioned Cooper. Defensively, They've got some injuries in
the secondary, by the way, Philly's really banged up. But
the Eagle secondary was the trocious. Last week. I had
a veteran personnel man see that he never had seen
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so many missed assignments. He's fact, he felt. On defense
they had at least a dozen and quite frankly, if
the Vikings tried to try to put on more points
in the fourth quarter, they might have scored fifty. That's
all embarrassing was the Eagle secondary. However, They're gonna get
Jalen Mills, who started from them at quarterback in the
Super Bowl, from his broken foot. He's been out for
almost the calendar year. They're hopeful with Ronald Darby the
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other starting quarter to come back. That is a big
reason why I think they could win that game. But
guess what, They're gonna have their left their their left tackle,
first round pick Andre Dillard starting his first NFL game,
going against that really good cowboy front. That's gonna be okay.
So let's let's let's talk about the Eagles. They lead
the league in drops, right, and this is big for
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whether it's big for Carson wins with the Eagles or not.
It feels big because you got Doc who wants Carson
Wentz money. It's the same draft, etcetera, etcetera. You mentioned
their defensive problems, what about offensively? Obviously Deshan Jackson was
supposed to take the top off the defense. Um, you
know you didn't have your best wide receiver for start
of the year, and they had all those big drops
which caused a couple of those those losses. What what
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where is that offense? It's not good. They cannot get
the ball downfield at all. They have no one who
could run. Nelson aghil Are the former first round pick
and fifteen chip Kelly Chips last year. He's one of
a slot receiver, vertical slide. He's not really a deep threat.
Doesn't track the ball real well. They have a compressed
pass the game. This is why in this game you're
gonna see it. I'm pretty certain of it. The way
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you beat the Cowboys defense, you throw. It's the safety
to get the tight ends involved. Evan Ingram, the tight
end for the Giants, killed them in Week one. Ingram,
by the way, we'll be back this week from his
great one mcl S brain. But getting back to the
Eagles here that they're gonna have to use the tight ends.
Moore Dallas got at their second round pick last year
was a big factor against Minnesota last week. That's what
they're gonna have to do. And by the way, to
Shaun Jackson was incredible week one, but I'm told he's
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got a great to Ava and Adam and tear, and
it's right down that it's the swords muscle core injury.
They don't know what exactly it's gonna be back there,
hopeful for next week at Buffalo, but they're not even
certain right now. And without him, Doug, their passing games
completely different. Um No. Alvin Kamara at practice today for
the Saints. Teddy Bridgewater continues to improve and you know
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they've they've band aided this thing without Drew Brees quite well.
But now that this different animal going to Chicago taking
on the Bears. What are your thoughts on the Saints
on the road. Traditionally not a great open weather team,
but the Bears have their own offensive issues, Doug. The
big story about the football team is not how Teddy
bridge words I believe or not. It's how great their
defense has been. Their defense is the best defense they
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put together in ten years. They have no weakness. I
would argue if Marcus Lattimoer's in Dentaville's the best corner.
He's top three. He's a phenomenal player. He's shutting everyone down.
They play a lot of man coverage with him. Does
a great job. I'm picking the Saints to win this game.
I don't think they're gonna have a problem. I know
the Bears are coming off of their buy and teams
benefits from having a buy. But this samet defense, believe
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or not, it travels well, and I think they'll come
out and win this game. M travels well. Something we
haven't Yeah, something something we have not heard from the
from the from the Saints in the in the in
the past. All right, Uh, let me work my way
to the U to the Green Bay Packers. They get
a win. They they kind of survive against the Detroit Lions,
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and now they get the Oakland Raiders, who are a
surprising team. Um, but you know the Packers, It's been
a series of drops and the defense at times has
allowed has allowed stuff to be gashed with the running game,
and you're coming up against the team and the Raiders
that they want get rid of quickly and run the
football any chance the Raiders have for an upset. Here's
what's the problem. Is the number one to see what.
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Arry Williams will not play with his turf till injury,
and then and then um the right tackle twin Trent
Brown is not expected to play. That's a problem for me.
I know they're coming off of a bye. This is
gonna be hard. They don't score a lot of points,
and they just got to rely on Josh Jacob to
their first round pick. I don't feel really good about
I'm gonna do. I give him a chance yet because
they can run the football on Their defense surprisingly has
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played pretty well lately, but Green play. Green Bay is
still great at home. I don't see them getting done.
And I don't know who's gonna make a play for
other than Darren Waller, who got this nice extension. What
a great story he is. They're tight end. I just
don't see him scoring enough. I think the Packers, one
way or another will win that game. Yeah, that's what
are your thoughts on the Jail and Ramsey trade. I'm
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the only thing that surprised me is it got done
this early. I know there are a bunch of teams
in it. The Eagles were one of them. I just
don't I just don't think teams were willing to give
up not only first on picks two of them. I
one GM telling me, look, and we give up two
fresh room picks. We're getting some back like the Raiders.
Like the Bears did in the Mac trade, they actually
got a second back if you're giving up to two ones.
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The only team that is willing to beat that that
I know of was the Rams. No I know that
a bunch of teams were in it. No one that
I know I was able to beat two ones and
a four, and that's why they got it done. But
let me just tell you some about the Rams. Keep
to leave on I are there other starting corner. It's
gonna be a problem opposite Jayala Ramsey if he does
play on Sunday. Did practice well, I'm told yesterday John Johnson.
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They are standing young safety is on into reserve. They've
got they're beat up in the offensive line. They're not
running the ball wells doug As they were away in
the season. They still have a lot of problems here
when they play the Stompkins on Sunday. All right, what
about the Seahawks to keep finding a way right, I
probably should have lost to the Rams. Go and beat
the Browns on the road, and they just they find
a way. Now you got the Ravens coming in, and
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the Ravens against the elite level teams, Lamar Jackson showing
his ceilings against the lower level team He's been dominant. Um,
Lamar Jackson year two, Are you more of a buyer now?
I'm a little bit of a buyer. I had a
nice talk with Greg Roman, their offensive coordinator, when he
came to Philly when they had combined practices, and look,
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this is a guy developed Colin Kaepernick, and Greg Roman
is probably the best run game designer in the National
Football League. My only problem with Lamar Jackson is Doug
runs the ball way too much. And he's not like
a big guy like Cam Newton. It's not six ft five,
he's six just over six ft two, a little bit wiry.
You're asking for trouble. And Josh Allen, the quarterback for
the Bills, also running too much. I really worry when
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when quarterbacks run too much. But it's working right now
because Romans creating so much space for for Jackson to run.
He's doing a great job on the road at Seattle.
By the way, Seahawks getting back Jarren Reid. They're really
good defensive tackle from six games suspension. That should impact
their defense, and I'll be interested to see if if
the Ravens can really get the run game going. Cant
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say young and improved Seattle defense. Adam Caplan joined us
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I would say the Chargers might be the most disappointing
team this season, and I know they've had a lot
of injuries. They just got back their left tackle from
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blood cloud issues. You don't have Derwin James, they have
a Hunter Henry. For a couple of games, they go
and take on a Tennessee team that has decided the
Marcus Mariota era is over. These are two teams just
kind of grasping it at something. Um, what are your
thoughts first on the Chargers if they can turn this
ship around, Doug, you hit onto top here. Their their
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defensive injuries are major put down. James of course is
the biggest one. Two other top three safeties are out.
They're not getting the pastors that you have in the past.
They're doing the best they can to run. Defense isn't
great and they can't pro check now when you talk
about Russell comb with coming back from his pulmonary embolism,
he's practicing. He may not play this week, though they
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they're not sure yet. They'll they'll figure that out. But
once they get him back, their defense, excuse me, their
offensive line was atrocious in their last game. It's hard
to it's hard to win, and it's hard to win
you when you can't protect. So that's a problem of Tennessee.
Let's get over to that Marcus Mario being benched. Yes, look,
let's not forget this personnel staff and coaching staff. Doug
inherited this quarterback. That to me is a problem unless
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less Ryan Tannehill doesn't even play fair football. I don't
think Mario it will get another start in They gotta
win games. Their defense is fantastic. They have a real
good chance to get Cam Wake back from his hamstring injuries.
There outside linebacker who has added a good veteran presence.
I think Ryan Tannehill has got a better army to
give him a little bit of juice and the hopefully
though that you know, they've got a coaching staff that
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it's the first time they've been in charge of a
quarterback before, like a situation like this. This is not
easy to change quarterbacks in the middle of the season.
But their defense is so good. I think they'll find
a way to win this game. Yeah, what what is?
What is the major issue with Mariota not seeing the
field well, not getting rid of the football quickly. He's
too deliberate, he needs to. He's just not been real accurate.
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They're having trouble processing their offense. He's just not getting
with the football and time. Now. Ironically, Ryan Tannehill's problem
is he's to see it and throw it. That means waits, waits, wait,
it's throws it. But he's got a much better on
the Mariota. When Mariota looked like he's one of the
better young quarterbacks in the league, but he was throwing
the ball on rhythm very accurate. Also, would would be
a threat with his legs. And he's just not the
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same player anymore. It could be too many injuries. But
one thing I would say is the offensive coordinator Arthur Smith,
first year calling play has never developed a quarterback. Pad o'hia,
the quarterbacks coach, only his second year of coaching quarterbacks.
I think this has I think quarterback development it's sometimes
is tied to how long these guys have worked with quarterbacks.
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And I'm not gonna put it on them on Marcus Mariota.
I think everyone's got a hand on this. Yeah, I mean,
look at look at what Kansas City did to develop
Patma homes and the layers that they have. Look what
what Philadelphia has done to develop card Carson Wentz. And
there's there's a reason those young guys have. In fact,
even even look at Dallas, you know, um and what
they're trying to do to develop Dak Dak Prescott. It's
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it's different than what what Tennessee is doing. Let me
ask you about Cleveland. You mentioned inaccuracies and and suddenly
a guy who was playing well not playing well? How
how deep are the issues with Baker Mayfield? Are they fixable?
They are? He's got some interest with accuracy before he
was he accurate last year. He needs to settle down.
He's playing too fast, he's not letting the game go
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up come to him. But the other problems which he
has done to do with and I knew this. I
told people, they've gotta blow average offensive line. It's been
well below average. It's just it's been a nightmare. They
don't protect well. The only thing they do is they
run the ball well. But there their line is not
very good. And John Dorsey there there, their general manager.
I think he's got to be in the market for
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offensive line and that's something they may do before the
trade deadline. They just traded one, an awesome corver to
the Rams, former second round and state who I had
a personel guys say, look, one personnel guy I'm really
close with said, look, I had a third round graide
on him, not a two. But he may wind up
starting for the Rams in a couple of weeks. Okay,
let me asking about Trent Williams really quickly before we
let you go. Obviously he's the big get out there.
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He don't want to play the Redskins. Redskins want a
pirates ransom for him. What's the market like for him
in terms of the value and where do you see
him going? Yeah, well Cleveland, Cleveland's looking for for helping
the offensive line. He he's a left tackle, not a
right tackle. He could help them immediately. There will be
a there's a good market for him, but they're not
willing to do it. But see, this is what I've
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always said, and John John Elway the GM and that
the Broncos is probably gonna come down to the same thing.
They won two in a row now they just got
embarrassed at home. If they lose again, they'll be two
and six at the trade deadline. You got a move
players who don't want to be there or who were
the last year of their deals. Chris Harris the corner.
I think he'll wind up getting moved if they lose
next week. May Neil Sanders also on the front of
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his deal. There should be some action on him. Trent Williams.
He doesn't want to be there. You saw Jayla Lamsey
did he didn't want to be there. The guy doesn't
want to be there in the end, and you can't
men fancies that God won't meet with you. What is
the point? Get value? You're not going anywhere. I think
I think Pres Salent's gotta get realistic here. They're gonna
have a new coaching step next year. You might as
well start with a new left tackle. Adam Caplan NFL
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what a great wealth? Wealth of information you are. Thanks
so much for joining us. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug god Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Joseine Anderson's an outstanding
NFL insider for ESPN. Her report has this, uh this
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quote from an unnamed Eagles player. We need to make
bleep simpler. Sometimes it needs to just handle what it
is manageable. Even Peyton Manning new one to check it down.
Arrison Wentz right now is thirty eight percent on passes
that travel fifteen yards in the air and has three
interceptions on passes like that, which is tied from motion
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the league UM Josina Anderson said, he also has a
hundred forty eight passes on those that are ten yards
are fewer right now. He has nine touchdowns zero interceptions
on passes like that, So I do think it's an
app point. This is Anderson reporting both an unnamed players
quotes and the stats to kind of back up the
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idea of Carson Wentz forcing the ball downfield too much.
But this is where stats don't really tell the story
unless you tell all the stats. The Eagles lead the
league and drop passes. Nelson Aglar against the against Atlanta
Falcons in his hands, zach Ertz, in his hands, Um,
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they lead the league in drop passes. Their offenses third
in the NFL in third down conversion percentage, which by
the way, is like the most important number. That in
red zone percentage of the two most important ones. And
there their fourth in red zone touchdown conversion. So those
are the two most important deaths. That and and giveaways.
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Their ninth in points per game. What's the problem? Points
per game given up defensively five most passing touchdowns fourth
most passing touchdowns. Remember a week uh, they're loss to
the Falcons, Aglar dropped a wide open past that would
have won them the game. And in week three against
the Lions, J Say j j R. Sega Whiteside, the
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kid from Stanford dropped the four yard bomb that went
through on fourth and fifteen seconds remaining trailing by three.
The Falcons drop was Aglar, I think a minute fifty
three to go on third down, wide open and by
the way, same game, Zakurtz, you know, uh, a little
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comeback route that was like a yard short of the sticks.
Otherwise trailing by six, they got first and goal. And
remember their top five in league in red zone touchdown
conversion percent, So what exactly are we talking about? Yeah,
you want to check it down, and yeah they've been
successful on checking down, but part of it is they
don't really have Deshaun Watts. They're not Sean Jackson to
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take the top off the defense. So sometimes you gotta
force things to free things up. Like, what are we
really talking about? The unnamed player who's the named player
running back was gonna get a checkdown? Is that what
it is? So we're dealing with here now now, it's
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it's just it's a it's a quote that we were
gonna blow out of proportion because it's a big game,
because it's Whence against DAC, because the Eagles got their
ask whop. Last week, you just heard Adam Kaplan joined
us last hour Adam Caplan's NFL Inside for serious sex
m and he said a defensive coach said they had
eleven missed assignments, the most those guys that ever see
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means coach had watched, ever seen in one NFL game.
Eleven missed assignments. That's crazy town USA numbers. That's really
those are really crazy, crazy numbers. So I understand that
what happens with wins, and this is what happens to everybody.
You get that big contract, we're gonna we're gonna evaluate
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you differently. That'd become like a look at Jared golf
Jariedoff's offensive lines terrible, Todd Gurley hadn't played last couple
of weeks, and suddenly why why did you get and
and there were a question about Jaredgoff's contract when you
gave him that contract, But we're also coming off a
year and when she led the Rams to a super Bowl,
and whatever you think of the blown call in New Orleans,
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the Rams did win the game on the road, and
Jared Goff was their quarterback, didn't score an offensive touchdown
the Super Bowl, didn't play well. But considering he's in
his what third year in the league, last year, fourth
year in the league, this year, like he's trending to
being an elite quarterback end you want cost certainty, I
would agree they probably overpaid Jared goffin Maybe he didn't
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have to Bay Carson Wentz so much money because those
guys got those early guaranteed deals. But when you have
your guy, you lock up your guy, you got conscertainty
of that position. The prices are only going up. And
Carson Wentz unlike Jared Goff, unlike Dak Prescott, unlike any
of these other quarterbacks, as outside of Pat Mahomes, who
was the NFL's MVP, he was gonna be the MVP
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the two years ago they towards a c L and
they had the Super Bowl hangover. He was coming back
from injury. Offensive line wasn't as good, defense wasn't as good,
the outcome wasn't as good. But the numbers would tell
you that Carson Wentz has been on target as much
or more in any quarterback in the league. He hadn't
had to Sean Jackson, he didn't have um all Sean
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Jeffrey early in the year, and they're still competitive in
spite of the fact that they had Leagan drops. So
what exactly we're talking about, Like, if you think they're
losing because of Carson Wentz, you you have to either
be watching you're not watching red zone because the red
zone conversion percentage the top five in the league. I
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don't know what you're watching. I don't I don't know
what you're watching. They are losing because their defensive backfield stinks.
They're losing because they don't get the quarterback like they
used to. They're losing because they've had a ton of
drops and a ton of injuries at positions where he's
gonna throw them to the football that that's where they're losing.
Has he been perfect? No, No quarterback is perfect. I
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have searched for perfection yet to find it. You know,
Pat Mahomes throws some picks. We all always got a
bad ankle before he popped out his knee, of us,
I always got a bad ankle, Like, okay, he had
some injuries to The best guys are gonna look Aaron Rodgers.
You know they weren't good the first couple of weeks, right,
I mean, the best guys are the best guys for
a reason. Carson Wentz is one of the best guys.
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Do you haven't figured that out yet. There's actually statistical
analysis that tells you he's playing like the best or
one of the top two or three quarterbacks in the
entire freaking league. And so whatever this unnamed player is,
that's just what happens when you're when you're the highest
paid guy, when you're the quarterback, when you're the golden child,
you're gonna have somebody who and it does feel like like, look,
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the check it down thing feels like a swipe at him,
but the complexity thing feels like a swipe at the offense.
Like they're they're trying to dall some stuff up, they're
trying to do some special stuff up because they feel
like they don't have the personnel to have those explosive plays.
I'm not saying with this in with any disrespect to
Josina Anderson's unnamed report. I'm just simply pointing out that
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most of the stats belie the idea that Carson Wentz
isn't playing well and actually tell the story that the
wide receivers aren't playing well, that the defense isn't playing well,
and that feels like a more accurate depiction of what's
actually taking place.
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