Is it time for Philip Rivers to hang 'em up?

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my chargers. Yes that's my quarterback. And yes he was
like Oprah. But instead of giving out a car and
you get a car and you get it, he was
giving out interceptions and you get an interception, and you
get an interception and you get interception. I don't know
whether I should be impressed by the chargers and the
ability to completely and thoroughly dominate, depressed by the chiefs

(02:09):
inability with all those turnovers to put away the bolts,
or just realistic about where both teams are. That was
a telling game, and sure the altitude plays a massive factor.
Both teams were huffing and puffing at the end, and
the play calling was atrocis from the Chargers where the

(02:30):
Chiefs after that big completion, even after the review where
Philip Rivers could have been called for a fumble, instead
it was called an incomplete past twenty five seconds to go.
You know, you are allowed to run the football and
when the other team is too tired to tackle, that's
not a bad time. But instead it's Philip Rivers trying
to throw the ball up in the air to Austin Ekeler,

(02:52):
who's much better when it's closer to the ground. The
dudes like five eighties dynamic, But what are we doing
throwing a fade pattern, you know, a little a little
wheel route to to Austin Heckler. But that, sadly is
the story of the Charger season. He cost them the
game in Detroit looking for the end zone, throwing a
pick instead of dumping it off over the middle where
they could have kicked the field goal unforced. Over time,

(03:13):
he lost the game against the Oakland Raiders. How they
had the ball back with a chance to tie, and
he went oh for eight, kept throwing the ball downfield
in spite of the the fact that he had Hunter Henry
and Keenan Allen and Austin Ekeler and Melvin Gord all
these other underneath threats with three timeouts, he kept forcing
the ball and through an interception late and the same
thing happened last night. So look, this is like this

(03:37):
is like marriage. The easy part is saying it's over.
The hard part is either one trying to work through
it or to trying to figure out what's next. Right, Like,
if you're going to go on the free agent market,
and there should be some talented quarterbacks on the free
agent market, guys have one football games. They're younger than
Philip Rivers. Everybody from Andy Dalton to Cam Newton to

(03:58):
Marcus Mariota, those guys can be had. You can go
and get a solid quarterback. But remember there's a reason
they're on the market. Cam Newton can't stay healthy, is inaccurate,
and Kenny play in a traditional system. Jamis Winston might
be available. And if you think that Philip Rivers turns
it over, at least Philip Rivers turnovers, he can explain

(04:19):
away and say, hey, I'm older than dirt. Jamis Winston
has no such explanation. Marcus Mariota, no confidence all right?
Health issues? Andy Dalton, health issues? Can you throw the
ball downfield? Is he any how good? Is he anyway?
Like we just kind of keep going through these guys
and it's a lot like in basketball they say open
for a reason. In football, it's available for a reason.

(04:43):
Why is this guy on the market. Here's Anthony Lynn,
head coach of the l A Chargers, on his quarterbacks
future that looks to think about Philip and the future
in this contract. I'm my focus is my Prairie, next
game to different Broncos, and at the end of the
season that I take care of yourself. But right now
we're just trying to finish the see and on a
positive note, right, which is kind of what we told

(05:04):
you about the Bears and miss Drabinsky, Like what what
is the point of discussing Miss Robinski's future with Chicago
Bears when you can't trade for anybody right now? And again,
if there's somebody who's on the market, there on the
market for a reason, like you're not going out and
signing Colin Kaepernick and benching a first Battle Hall of
Famer and Philip Rivers. That's not happening, so you're stuck

(05:26):
with him. Ride it out and figure it out. And remember,
the NFL, unlike the NBA, has free agency first and
draft second. That's why we had Sam Bradford and Mike
Glennan again inferior quarterbacks to Philip Rivers. But that's why
we had them signed deals with teams and then ultimately
get traded because well, when the draft came around, they
end up getting the guy they wanted anyway, which is

(05:48):
essentially what I would guess the Chargers may try and do.
But we have this idea in mind that the right
answer is really really easy. If it is, then why
have the Miami Dolphins figured out who their quarterback should
be since losing Dan Marino years ago? The Buffalo bill

(06:08):
has lost Jim Kelly. When was the last time they
had competent quarterback play? If it's so easy, then why
have the Cleveland Browns gone through like twenty five quarterbacks
since they reinvented their franchise In not every person who
has led the Cleveland Browns is a complete and total idiot, right,

(06:32):
just not? And look, it's so easy. The Washington Redskins,
they can't keep anyone healthy. And then the guy they
finally did draft in the first round. A local kid
wasn't ready and seems overwhelmed by the playbook and the
leadership responsibilities. I mean hack even the Chicago Bears who

(06:53):
moved mountains and had mitched Robinsky and felt really good
about him a couple of years in, now not so sure.
It is really really hard. Right, three weeks ago, Cam
Newton was out, they'll never play again. And now you're like, well, Kim,
it's not that bad, right, guys are gonna make million

(07:13):
Start talking yourself into it. Kyle Allen stinks. Last three
weeks suddenly we got a new plan. So I get that.
It's very easy to be knee jerky and say Philip
Rivers is washed up, and he might well be. He's
never been good in the screen pass game because he's
such a bad athlete, and he was bad athlete who
tours a c L. He can't get out of the way,

(07:37):
and now with arm strength waning some, when you get
people at his feet, he's not clear to throw. And
almost all of these interceptions are overthrows or guesses or
throwing it up in the air like you can say
it's his decision making and that'd be fair, like, that's

(07:57):
a bad decision to throw some of those balls. On
the other hand, those decisions are made worse because he's
much more interaccurate than he used to be, because he
doesn't have his legs underneath him and he might not
have his arm strike and look, this is not the
should not strike as is abnormal. Drew Brees is not
the same guy. Wasn't the same guy at the end
of last year. Has him been the same guy since
he came back from injury? Just not Ben Roethlisberger's guy

(08:20):
having Tommy John surgery. Who knows what he's gonna look
like when he goes Eli Manning's done. All of these
players contemporaries are either retired or on their way to retirement.
So so it's it shouldn't be surprising that tom Brady's
skills have Wayne and Tom Brady is the unicorn, He's
the outlier. He's the Adrian Peterson, you know, the one guy.

(08:40):
Adrian Peterson's one guy who come back from an a
c L injury and be the m v P. That's
not normal. The normal is it takes a while, it
takes a whole season. The normal in your late thirties
is what we're seeing from Philip Rivers. Still very productive,
very bright, nothing seems to bother him. On the other hand,
takes more chances than he should and doesn't have the

(09:01):
arm strength of the athleticism that he needs to have
in order to play the position with the younger people
in the NFL. I'm a Charger guy. They have a
talented team. They are five plays or so away from
having one of the best records in the NFL, and
they've done so without Derwin James, who's probably their most

(09:24):
talented player, and they've had a slew of injuries. But
I'm not blind to the fact that Philip Rivers looks
close to washed up. On the other hand, I'm also
realistic with the idea of it's just not that easy
to go like, all right, we'll move on, We'll go
with the next guy. Many have tried that many and

(09:45):
most have actually failed to find the next quarterback immediately.
There is no Aaron Rodgers sitting out while well, well,
well well, Brett Farve decides to retire. There is no
Steve Young waiting for Joe Antana to beach to ultimately
leave and go to Kansas City Chiefs like that there
is there isn't a succession plan in place. And with

(10:10):
that mind, the realist in me tells me, doesn't mean
doesn't as as bad as it has looked the past
two weeks, it doesn't mean he's done, even if by
all accounts he probably should be. It's hard. It's hard
to find the guy. It's even harder to find a
next guy who's anywhere near the guy you had. I

(10:35):
think the Chiefs have a problem, and uh, I don't
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We've had Michael Lombardi on this show, but Michael Lombard's
former GM in the NFL, and when I hear cool
sayings I like to give credit, right, just like I
want credit for cool sayings, like no one gets a

(11:21):
second opinion on good news. Do you ever hear somebody
said like Golee said that, um, yoga pants are a privilege,
not a right, right, Gottlieb said that. I don't hate
to say I told you so. Gottlieb said that. But
Michael Lombardi, former GM in the NFL, most recently with
Cleveland Browns, his expression is the best defense is to

(11:46):
not play defense. Pretty good, right, huh? Pretty good? Pretty good?
The chase r up twenty four to nine last night,
under five minutes left in the third quarter. They had
four drives, four punts sixty six yards total. After that,
why well, they can't run the football anymore. And I

(12:10):
said it at the time last year when Kareem Hunt,
when the video came out about Kareem Hunt and they
had to cut Kareem Hunt. Now, obviously it's with the
Cleveland Browns. The damage that was done was not just
a Kareem Hunt's reputation or even the the Cancai Chiefs
reputation to their running game. Like I know that we
are we're kind of wired to think, well, you know

(12:31):
running backs, how good are they? Right? See about the
offensive lines, about the scheme, but like, look, dude, like
James Conner is a nice back. He a levy On Bell,
and nobody thinks he's Levian Bell. You save a bunch
of money and maybe you can get a better offensive line.
But he's not Levan Bell. He'll never be let On Bell.
He's a great story and a great but nobody in
Pittsburgh thinks that, right, Like zeki Zeke Elliott, there's a

(12:55):
lot of talk in Dallas, but is he getting the
football enough? And Jerry Jones up set that at his
investment not being used enough? Whatever? Hack even Melvin Gordon
with with the Chargers, right like, what is his actual value?
Got it? But we would all agree there's a difference
between elite level running backs and the other running backs. Otherwise,

(13:17):
why would some guys be All Pros and Pro Bowlers
in the Hall of Famers and other guys just be guys.
Kareem Hunt was an elite back. He led the league
in rushing, led the league of rushing um. That's in
two thousand seventeen. And in two thousand eighteen through eleven weeks,
everybody was going crazy about Mahomes. Guess who was leading

(13:39):
the league in rushing That, my friends would be Kareem
Hunt eight yards rushing. Remember this was only eleven weeks
in Plus he had three seventy eight receiving yards, sevent
t ds, receiving sevent t ds, rushing fourteen touchdowns. This
is in eleven games. Last year, they were thirteen in
rushing yards per game. This year, by committee, twenty two

(14:02):
in Russian yards per game. They have eleven total tds
from that position. Eleven total, So the numbers don't lie.
Plus just the idea of being able to keep your
defense off the field. As Michael Lombardi has said, play deep.
Best way to play defense is to not play defense.

(14:22):
No one thinks they have a good defense, no one
thinks they have an elite defense, but it's made exponentially
more vulnerable when it's constantly on the field and you
can't simply run the football and grind out a win.
They can't play defense when they play defense, and they

(14:43):
can't play defense by not playing defense because they're not
playing defense for two short period of time because they
can't run the football. And that makes sense there Today,
I thought I brought it around. I thought I thought
it worked, right. I mean, it's pretty damn obvious they
missed Kareem Hunt. Be sure to catch the live edition

(15:04):
of The Doug Gottlip Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Can't see Walton playing in the NFL
anytime sooner or if ever, right, if any of that's true. Um,
And and look, I do have sympathy for toxic relationships
and things that can go. And and when you see
him sometimes like Julio Eurus right from the Dodgers. Um,

(15:26):
he was accused of domestic battery earlier this year. But
you know, when I don't know, I think video surface
and there's eyewitnesses that it was that it was more
kind of fending her office. She was coming at him. Like, look,
I'm reasonable to understand that there are some extenuating circumstances,
but like, dude, if if it's true, you punch somebody

(15:47):
in the head while she's pregnant, and by the way,
you're already serving a suspension, Like I'm good if you
never played football again. Kind of a privilege. Not all right? Anyway,
speaking of not playing again, so yesterday we talked about
one of the frustrations that Tom Brady had was over

(16:10):
the all around personnel, right, and and Brady's body language
was just bad. Here's nothing worse. Some bad body language guy.
I am huge with my kids, especially my son and
sports on being good bye language. I just good bye language.
People want to be around you, Coaches want to play
you more. You know, I tell you. I tell kids

(16:32):
this all the time, Like, do you think coaches play
favorite you? Damn right, they do. They want guys that
are bought in, right, they want guys that are brought in.
They want guys that are excited and oh yeah, by
the way, they want guys that get buckets and make plays.
Those are their favorites, their human beings. Too, bad body

(16:53):
language guy. So um, I look at this and I
think it's incredibly transparent by a guy who's just not
that bright in Antonio Antonio Brown, You guys tell me
if you buy it as anything else. Antonio Brown, just
so happy was this I g I g did earlier today.

(17:14):
Mr Craft, that's a Robert Craft, owner of the Patriots.
I apologize sincerely to you in your organization. All I
wanted to be was an asset to the organization. Sorry
for the bad media and the drama. Thank you sincerely,
a B. So this happens like twenty four hours after
Tom Brady has a press conference where he looks like

(17:35):
he bit into something and he chipped a tooth. Right
that that was the look he had, Robos, Did you
think by or did you think that he looked like
uh chipped tooth faste? Like you ever bide into something
like oh in there, like dude, what's And he was
even asked about like some wrong there, Tom, I'm I'm
upset after every game like no, no, he was bitter

(18:00):
and now Antonio Brown was like, oh hey, by the way, sorry,
I was such a nuisance, you know, but I love you,
Mr Craft, and I love it all the opportunity. It's welcoming.
Chris Simms, of course worked in that organization. Um, Tom
Brady's not usually bad bidy language guy after a game, right,
he was bad body language Sunday? Why Well, I think

(18:21):
he just frustrated, and I think that's more than That's
really all it is. You know, I watched that film
earlier today. I do think there was a handful of
throws where you know, he and the receiver weren't on
the same page. And you know, from everything I know
about that offense, it wasn't that he wasn't on He
was on the right page. He just he's waiting for
some of these guys that come along. They're having offensive

(18:42):
line issues. That's, you know, a real thing, and especially
for a guy at his age where he's not going
to move around a ton and make plays that way anymore.
Um and they are, they're a completely defensive team and
they have to play through it that way. But I
think that's one of Brady's great shrinks. I mean, Brady
is you know, he'll do whatever it takes to win
the game. We know he's incredibly clutch. He's a great leader,

(19:05):
he really is. And whether it takes yelling at guys
or being positive or not saying anything at all, he
has all those attributes. But yeah, I think ultimately that
was a little bit of a sloppy offensive performance. I mean,
to get in the red zone three times, only kick
three field goals, you know, to score a touchdown and
they got to kind of do it on a trick play.

(19:25):
I think he knows, like, hey, man, if we're gonna
beat maybe one of these great teams in the NFC,
our offense has to come along a little bit better.
We can't expect our defense to hold everybody under seventeen points. Uh,
you know, I get. I don't know if it's going
to be fixed. They need the left tackle to get healthy,
that's for sure. I think they'll find a certain rhythm
with the Mohammed Sunu and how to use him at

(19:47):
the offense, you know, at the receiver position, and what
his strengths are. You know, they got you know, other
young receivers. The kid from North Carolina State, I'm blanking
out of his name right now, number sixteen. Whatever. He
you know, he's another guy makes a few mistakes on
a week to week basis. I don't think there's any
way they're gonna be a team that's gonna, like, you know,
be exciting and sexy on the offensive side of the

(20:10):
ball no matter what. This year, he just wants them
to be a little bit better to where, hey, if
they got to score twenty four seven in a game,
they can do that. But truly, the strength of this team,
it's special. Right now, they have danced theirself into two thousand.
Baltimore Ravens Chicago Bears conversation. They have the stats bear

(20:30):
that out. They're dominant, they're creative. Uh, and they got
they got a going on that side of the ball
all r. Let's talk about last night. Uh, is Philip
Rivers washed out? Well? I mean it's certainly coming to
an end. Uh. You know, I just think that you
know there the reality is he makes some throws where
I want to go. You just you can't make that

(20:51):
throw anymore. I'm sorry. I don't mean to say that
you're an NFL legend. It doesn't make me happy to
say those type of things. But you know, between that
and then just be careless with the ball in certain situations. Uh.
Those that's scary when you get to that age. And
then of course he can't move it all either. And
you know there's a number of plays where you know
the NFL right now, you don't have to be a

(21:12):
great scrambler, but you've got to be able to move
around in the pocket and slide and shuffle. And Brady,
who's five years older than Philip Rivers, is better than
doing that than Philip Rivers is. It's a lot of
work for him that way. It's a slow delivery. It's
never been a great arm and now he's getting the
age where yeah, he's losing my power is on that.
And you know he has to anticipate to such a

(21:35):
degree sometimes to where you know, he's got to throw
a ball three or four steps before the guy comes
out of the break. And that's just not always easy
to do in the NFL, you know, you know, most
most of the really good quarterbacks see the guys starting
to come out of the break and then they fire
it in there. And then you have a handful of
throws every game where you have to anticipate, Oh, I
need to throw it into this window and do that.

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For Philip Rivers, almost every throw is anticipating and trying
to put it in the window. Yeah, which is what
what what Peyton had to do at the end there, right,
and and and the he's so the other thing that
kills him. They can't they're not good in the screen
game because he can't even move to get to the
screen game. That's what I mean. Movement is as big
now as it's ever been in the history of the NFL.

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And again, it doesn't mean you have to be a
scrambler and do those things. No, no, no, like like
watch Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins with ainted a big completion,
they roll him out play action a lot of times
to his left, you know, so they can move the
pocket get so he has clear line of sight. That's
a I think that's a huge, huge key to great
point that you make Chris Sims joining us and fade away,
throw balls off your back foot, do things like that,

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and those are all things that Philip rivers. It is
not one of his strengths right now. Okay, So through
the history of the NFL, you get to your late thirties,
this is reasonable to happen, right It's happening with Roethlisberger's hurt.
Drew Brees is not the same, elis washed. Okay, So
throughout the history of the NFL, we've seen the Lamar
Jackson thing. Let's let's say it's it's Mike vic two
point out, Mike Vick with a much cleaner off field

(23:01):
resume and a guy who's much more locked in on
being a great quarterback. But the Mike Vick thing, after
being an m v P, people did figure it out
and the inaccuracy did become problematic. Um, where are we
with Lamar Jackson? Like is he that good or is
just everything clicking right now, and the league will catch
up to him. Well, I you know, the league might

(23:23):
catch up a little bit. But where I think it's
a little different from Mike Vick. And this is where
we gotta give the Ravens like John Harbaugh, Eric de Costa,
Ozzy Newsom the vision of they really built an offense
around his skill set. You know, with the Atlanta Falcons,
they did they kind of ran a normal NFL offense
and then they just expected Michael Vick to scramble and

(23:45):
run around at times, maybe had a design run every
now and then where he ran a quarterback draw. You know,
they started to do a little bit of the read
option there stuff at his end of his days in
in Atlanta. But this is a different style all together.
I mean with the tight ends, the big offensive line,
the creative you know movement before the snap to have

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your head spin it every which way and then who
did he give the ball? Oh? Did he keep the
ball off the edge? And his throwing continues to improve.
And he's done nothing his whole life except play quarterback
and growing up a new sports that's all he did
was play quarterback. I think he is obsessed with his
craft I do think he has a special arm. It's

(24:27):
an arm that's gonna last the test of time. It
is I mean, he can flick it, and he can
flick it because he does a lot of things mechanically right.
Every now and then he can lose lose it a
little bit where he might get sloppy in the mechanics.
But I think this is a guy that can stand around,
you know, stay a lot, stay around the league a
lot longer, maybe than people are giving him credit for

(24:48):
at this point. Yeah, as he always gonna be able
to rip off forty yard runs and things like that. Hey,
seven eight years from now, no, I doubt he will be,
but he'll be able to run you know, seven eight, nine,
ten yard runs. And I think he'll be a lot
more of an effective decision maker by that time, and
of course continue to grow as a passer to where
he hangs around and could be dangerous for a long time.
Let's let's go back to last night's game. Chiefs have

(25:11):
big lead and they can't run the football. They haven't
able to run it nearly as well since they lost
Kareem Hunt. And and I used that Michael Lombardi expression
a lot, which is the best way to play defense
is to not play defense. They can't play defense, and
then they can't not play defense because they can't keep
the defense off the field because they can't run the
football with the lead. Is that fixable for the Chiefs. Well,

(25:33):
I don't know if the run game is gonna ever happen.
And plus, you know, you know, I know, Andy Reid's
not exactly the most patient run game caller we've ever
seen in the history of the NFL. The defense has
shown signs throughout the last five weeks of being somewhat
of a pain in the butt. Now last night, yeah,
I mean, they got controlled in the first half, and
we're fortunate that they went in at halftime up ten

(25:54):
to nine and a and a half where they were dominated. Really,
so that's scary. My advice for the Kansas City Chiefs
will be a little bit of what you said. They
need to have every screen invented in the history of
the sport. Every screen should be available every week. One
of the other things too. And I think this is
a little encouraging from last night. You know, last year,
remember they lost on a Thursday night to the Los

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Angeles Chargers out in Kansas City. It was the same
kind of defensive game plan the Chargers ran last night.
They dropped everybody deep. They just said, hey, we got
a good front four. We don't need to blitz. We'll
send the ease front four at you and just drop
seven deep. And Kansas City kept calling plays to throw
it deep. All We're just gonna keep throwing them deep.
We're gonna keep throwing them deep. And nothing was there

(26:37):
last night. In the second half, at least they had
a short passing game, which was encouraging to me. So
I think that's really the realistic step for me. Hey,
the money on their team is in the receivers, the quarterback.
You know, at the tight end. They're special. They're the
ones that are expected to carry the football team and
put the pressure on the other team that they're playing.
But I think the run games probably not gonna happen.

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They need to develop an endless inventory of short passes
to then bring defenses up and go, Okay, you want
to keep dropping back, Fine, We're gonna take it four
and five and six yards at a time, and then
when they come up, it's zoom see you, Sammy Watkins,
Zoom see a Tyreek Hill. I think that would be
a more realistic formula if I had to say for
the Kansas City Chiefs. That's a voice of Chris Simms

(27:21):
Football Night in America. All Right, your level of buy
into the Vikings, now, oh, it's up there. I mean
I think the Vikings. I think this team is more
dangerous than, of course the team we saw last year.
But I think they're actually more dangerous than the team
we saw go to the NFC Championship game two years ago,
because I do think this running game is special with
that guy Dalvin Cook. You know that Kirk Cousins is

(27:43):
playing phenomenal. I mean, there's no other way to say.
Adam Feeling is not even out there either, and we
just we can't forget that. I mean you could argue
he's the second best player on the offense in general.
Um So with that, I'll tell you, honestly, Doug, my
biggest concern is their defense. It really is. I think
they're often to sound in the formula. I'm gonna be
a pain in the butt for everybody they play the
rest of the year. I don't really doubt that. I

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do worry about their defense. I mean, Xavier Rhodes, he
is just he gets toasted every week. And Trey Waynes
is always covering a guy but never makes a play
on the ball. And Simy is on the guy like glue,
but his guy always catches it. Uh. And you know
Mike Zimmer, he always dances a fine line a little
bit with me for being a little too predictable on defense.
He's stown a few more curveballs out there this year.

(28:27):
I think he needs to continue to do that, especially
to help these corners. But as you know, the NFC
is the real deal Holy Field this year, and I
guess I would probably put the Vikings that's the fifth
best team in the NFC, where I put one Saints too.
I probably put the Seahawks three in green Bay four,
but that's really close with the Seahawks and Green Bay.

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But I do think the forty Niners in the Saints
would be my one and two. James Winston can't stop
turning the football over, not always this fault that the
one th J. Howard literally hit him right in the
hands right. Well, we see enough numbers um some of
his areas. Though he likes to take chances. What are
your thoughts on whether or not they keep him in
in Tampa. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it looks

(29:09):
good for Jameis Winson. I don't know, you know, I
just to me, the good can be phenomenal. The bad
can just be totally horrific. And that's the issue. There
doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground there.
You know, even last week two weeks ago. Uh, he
threw two interceptions in that game where hey, they were
like they were dicey decisions where I just want to go,
come on, man, what are you doing. I just don't

(29:32):
get it. They ended up winning the football game, but
he tried to jam a ball in the double coverage
and through an out route where the guy was clearly covered.
So you know, I'm to the point right now where
I love him when he's great, but I just don't
know if you could trust them through a sixteen game season.
And I have a feeling he's gonna go somewhere and
be a bridge quarterback somewhere, or maybe you have to
go somewhere and be a back up and kind of
earn the trust to get back on the field and

(29:54):
show that he can take care of the football and
do all those things. What do you what? What does
the injury do to to a in terms of pro prospects. Yeah,
it's gonna be an interesting decision here. You know, I
do think he's talented enough still that somebody might take
him in the first round and just sit on him
for a year and do something like that. I don't

(30:16):
I don't think that's crazy. Now if I am to uh,
I'm not so sure. I'm not considering. You know, let
me just stay away from the NFL for a year,
get healthy, and you know, see if I can get drafted.
You know, maybe come back mid season next year and
show everybody, hey, I'm good to go and look at
this and I'm still a top five vick. Maybe that
happens to Those are things he's gonna have to balance out. Um,

(30:39):
I think he was clearly a top ten pick for
sure before this injury. That's a scary, scary injury. I mean,
that would be one of the top two or three
worst injuries I think you can have as a football player,
Patel a tendon achilles tendon and that you know, Bo
jackson Ish hip type of injury is scary, and uh,
you know it's gonna be I would probably tell just

(31:00):
get out in the draft, get on a team, get healthy, heal,
and you know, work with them and then maybe at
some point next year you can be the starter for
that NFL team, or maybe you sit out the whole
year like a Patrick mahomes in and then you come
in year two. Awesome stuff, Chris, Uh, thanks so much
for joining us. I don't know if we get you
next week with Thanksgiving, but if we don't have a

(31:20):
happy Thanksgiving and we appreciate you being our guests. Oh yeah,
I'm down for next Tuesday said, don't worry, I'm all,
I'm all for it. Fair enough, Chris Sims Football Night
in America. Great dude, Thanks so much, Chris, Hall of Fame,
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Every day. This time we uh we we like to
use Dan Buyer's brilliance and let him play a game. Okay,
this is game time on the Doug gott Leaves Show.

(32:09):
Damn by what he got, Doug the game today? Iss alright, Doug.
One of the chances the Chargers draft a quarterback in
the first two rounds of draft, I don't think they
move on Philip Rivers immediately. Just again, some of it's
the timing of how things work, you know, and if
they can keep Philip Rivers in the you know, seventeen

(32:34):
two million range whatever, you know, maybe uh, you know,
try and get some sort of hometown discount and keep him.
I think you do that, and then you draft quarterback
as they are apparent. That's that's what the Giants have done.
It's you know, it's it's worked elsewhere, I think, and
then if the the young guy is good enough, you

(32:55):
figure it out. But I think they absolutely looked to
draft a quarterback, Doug. One are the chances that Antonio
Brown plays in another NFL game in his career. There
was some contrition there, right, which is good, which is
really really good. On the other hand, you know, he's
still Antonio Brown. He's still I mean, you just not

(33:19):
do not know what you're gonna get with that dude
at all. So I'm gonna go ten percent. Alright. Kind
of along those same lines, found out today that Rob
Gronkowski is going to be hosting a Super Bowl party,
so there will be no return in the season. What
are the chances Rob Gronkowski plays in another NFL game.
I'm gonna go five percent. I do think there's a

(33:39):
chance that he plays. Um, let's see how this party goes.
Let's see how the the TV stuff has been hit
or missed so far. You know, he hasn't popped up
on w W E ball, though I'm sure he wants to. Like,
I think you'd give it a year and then you
see how it goes. Um, But I wouldn't conclude that
he's definitely done, but he does appear to be mostly.

(34:00):
That would be great if his super Bowl party was
so good, He's like, I'm not coming back. I'm the
king of parties. Now. What are the chances Doug that
to a tongue of Volis, stays at Alabama and doesn't
enter the NFL Draft following his hip injury. I'm gonna
go he's just I don't know. If you saw the
statement from his parents, you know he's very religious. They're

(34:21):
very bought in on how Alabama's treating him, on their
plan for him, and you know let's see what the
feedback is once, you know, a couple of months from now,
once he gets up right and he's able to start
doing exercise. If if teams are saying, hey, we don't know,
we gotta see you play, it's not out of their
own possibility. He comes back and plays next year for

(34:42):
the Crimson Tide. It's interesting as well because the quarterback
class next year is going to have you would expect
Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence and other other guys and uh,
unfortunate that maybe considering that Justin Herbert's fell a bit off,
that that too obviously suffered this injury. What are the
chances Doug that the Pack twelve makes its way into

(35:02):
the college football playoff? Um, I'm gonna go thirty five cent.
I think they have a good chance. Problem is that
you know, they're gonna Oregon and you're talking to play
each other, So that's gonna eliminate one of the one
of the two teams. Um and then they're gonna need
a little bit of luck. They're also gonna need both
those teams to not lose a game between now and then.

(35:23):
So um and and even if they do get to
a one loss Oregon team. Do you take a one
loss organ team ahead of a one loss Oklahoma team?
I don't. I don't know the answer to that one.
I I think right now the answer is yes. But
if Oklahoma plays Baylor, and Baylor, you know, wins out
as one loss and Oklahoma beats him a second time,

(35:44):
it looks a lot better for Oklahoma. So I'm gonna say,
what are the chances that Karmlo Anthony works out in Portland?
What works on I mean, makes it through the season. Well,
I think we could say that he didn't work out
in Houston. I know it's very I mean made host,
but there's I mean, the Blazers are having a tough
start to the season, but that this is sometimes a

(36:07):
uht chance it works out in Portant workout. But I
think that's because I don't think they're that good, and
he'll get him a little bit more offense to come
out the bench. She may see it seems to be
a little bit contrite. We'll see history maybe repeating itself
that the Lakers and Celtics right now outside for the
best record in the NBA. What are the chances, Doug

(36:28):
that the Lakers finished with the best record in the league.
I'll go with chance Rockets are red hot. I do
think the Clippers will get better and better as they
get healthier, and I think the Lebron James and Anthony
Davis canna take some games off. Finally, Doug, what are
the chances that the Houston Astros ultimately have their World

(36:50):
Series taken away from these dealing signs scandal like five?
Not good um in terms of taking away the World Series.
Very slim chance. But they will be embarrass humiliated, they
will pay a substantial fine, They'll lose draft picks. It's
going to be bad, especially if what you shared yesterday
the new part of the story, which is there was
some electronic buzzer that some of these guys had to

(37:11):
tell them what pitch was coming. That if that, if
they find any proof of that, I can't see Rob
Manfred being being anything less than heavy handed. This is
game time on the GOTLI show Fire Fire If if
you could share that story again of what was reported

(37:32):
yesterday that the Houston Astros had some sort of whether
it be electrical tape or an electric sensor that vibrated,
and that there would be a vibrating sensation on the
bat while the player was at the plate and a
vibration would mean that an off speed pitch was coming.
I mean, if that, if that's true, if there's any
proof of that, like you're gonna see I would guess

(37:55):
whoever was in charge of it obviously is gonna get fired,
and would guess there'll be some heads rolling in the
front office. Substantial fun yes, rhyme music that like that's
hardcore cheating. Yeah, I know you think it's a very
low chance that it would happen, But doesn't it feel
like if that's how far they went, they absolutely have
to do some type of retraction on them being the

(38:16):
quote unquote World Series Champions of that year because that
is so egregiously bad to cheating the integrity of the game.
You can't allow them to keep that title. What do
you think? What do you think, buyer, I just don't
know you could take it away from them. I I mean,
do they had they had electric device that was vibrating

(38:36):
on a bat? I know, like they're like there's like spies,
like spies like us. That's what it reminds me of
because the first thing that's like actually changing the outcome
of the game, like the Reggie Bush thing was, oh, well,
they paid him, but they still went out there and
played the game and won. When Reggie Bush, should you
have his high right? No? I know, but that's like
has Reggie doesn't. I don't know. We'll get back to this.

(38:57):
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(39:24):
Coming to you from lovely Southern California. Doug Olip Show
is brought to you by Discover Card. We treat you
like you treat you Niners, Breakout, tight End Star Ross
dwell He said to join us in moments. Um, I
mean they had so many injuries and U Dwelly, who's
got got an interesting nickname. We'll get to that upcoming

(39:46):
as he's supposed to join us. I want to talk
a little bit more about this Astros scandal. Okay, this
is from um, this is from the New York Post.
In recent days. In recent days, scouts and executives have
told me this is uh. Joel Sherman told me that
that about a variety of methods they think have been

(40:08):
or could be and have could have been employed by
the Astros, such as a realistic looking electronic bandage placed
on a player's body that buzzes in real time to
signal what is coming. One buzz for a fastball, for example,
if the surveillance determines what type of pitch is coming. Now,
obviously this is way worse, way worse then banging on

(40:31):
trash cans. And there there are some photos of what
looks like it could be an electronic buzzer. Now here's
what you'll hear in defense of the Astros. It's the
same defense you heard with steroid guy, right, steroid guys
defense was a man, we can take all series of

(40:52):
one still doesn't help you hit the baseball. Gotta hit
the baseball. Have youver heard that one? Well, hey, you know,
very on still had to hit it. I still had
to hit it, like okay. But here's the thing. When
you're on steroids, you have more energy to train for longer.
The ball goes further in baseball, Like yes, you still

(41:15):
have to hit it, but it's prohibitibly more more difficult
if you don't know the speed, which is when the
ball is coming right, if you don't hear a bang
or don't have a buzz and there's a fastball, like, wow,
he's sitting on fastball. Yeah, Like man Astros are the
best fastball hitting team in baseball. Why do you think
that is? Because they know it's not a curveball coming.

(41:37):
My son's ten years old was the stayer throws a curveball.
And I tell all the time, like, hey, you don't
always store up for a strike. Don't be afraid to
throw that first pitch even it's not a strike. You're like, well,
you want me to get ahead in the count. Yes,
But if you throw a breaking ball to a ten
year old, eleven year old, a twelve year old, all
they're thinking about the rest of the at bad is
the breaking ball. Throw it early, right, Kids to watch

(41:58):
the first strike all the time. Anyway, then you can
pop your fastball and then whenever you want. It's crazy,
crazy stuff they find out that's true. Uh, well, let's
discuss the San Francisco forty Niners who look they put
away the Arizona Cardinals second time they had to play them.
Cardinals are a sneaky difficult team. I think the Cardinals

(42:21):
keep getting better and I'm in Look, you're playing without
your starting tight end, without some of your offensive line,
your book end, tackles without your fullback, all kinds of injuries.
But if you've read the book Next Man Up, you
know that that's a mantra in the NFL, Ross Dwelly
knows it. Forty Niners tight end joins us in the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Ross, how are
you are doing good? Um? What's this week been like

(42:45):
for you? After you know you're the breakout star of
the weekend? You know, it's been great, It's been It's
been a normal week. You know. Yesterday we gotta come
in and see some highlights of the game and and
watch film and just kind of break it down and
see where we could get better and where we did well. Um,
and then today's kind of run the whole workcovery day.

(43:07):
How do you do in the film? Uh? You know,
I did pretty pretty well. Um, definitely did some good things.
Definitely did some things that I can improve upon for
the next one. What what was it blocking what well,
I mean, because we don't see the all twenty two,
we don't see the breakdowns, what the things you need
to work on. Um. They did some good things to

(43:28):
stop our running game. I'm not sure what the exact
stats were, but we didn't have as many rushing yards
as as we wanted, which is why you know Jimmy
didn't you know, had to do his things through the air. Um.
But definitely some things in the running game, like picking
up some different dudes. They did some sandstrong safety blitz
is um that we could have been better on. So
just just sort of little details like that in the

(43:50):
running game. Sure, Rosswelly joining us, Doug gotlip show, Fox
Sports Radio. Uh, what school at the University of San Diego,
which is in Mission Bay, which is just unbelievable area
overlooks overlooks really Mission By. You go down there and
and and hang out. You get to Niners camp, going
back to last year when you show when you showed up.

(44:10):
What your thoughts are the likelihood of making the team
as a as an undrafted free agent? Oh, I mean
definitely I was. I was setting making the team, whether
it was you know, the active roster of the practice squad.
Um that we had a lot of talent in the
tight end room. Um. So I was just trying to
you know, scle circle ball and knowledge that could from
all the vets in there. Uh and on my tight

(44:32):
end coach, um, and just kind of you know, see
what happened, um, and you know ended up working out.
You Um, your first start, you actually started at fullback.
One of the things that that benefits you, and I'm
sure it's one of the reasons that you went to
the forty Niners to begin with, is they do use
they use the fullback a ton right. Um. So how

(44:53):
that has to help you, right, knowing not just that
you have more opportunities and more positions to play, but
also that you know other positions so that it creates
a kind of a mental versatility. Is that a fair
way to look at it. Yeah, that's a cool thing
about you know, being here, um and being in Kirk
Shanahan's offense. Um, he used a lot of two two

(45:16):
or three tight end sets or one tight end set
with a fullback. But really the fullback in the second
tight end the offense are sort of interchangeable. There's some differences,
but um, it definitely that definitely helps just getting me
your overall knowledge and grasp of the offense. Um, you know,
so you can you can fit in there. If there

(45:36):
does happen to be an injury, you can go to
fullback here or filling that tight end ross to while
he joining us in the Doug ot Lip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. How is Jimmy g different now than
he was maybe the start of the season. Um, you know,
I'm in Jimmy was hurt unfortunately early last year in
the third game against the Chiefs. Um, so he can

(45:58):
really get a show. You know how hard he's been working. Um,
but you know he worked as he works the sale
off to get back. Um, and you know, so he's
just been getting better each game. Um, I feel like
and you know it's just a testament to how hard
he works during the week, how much he prepares, and
how great of a leader is for all of us.

(46:20):
All right, of course they call you baby George. That
is that a legit nickname? Like do they actually call
you baby George? That like a media creation thing. That's
definitely like a media creation thing or something. So what
is your what is your actual nickname? Um? Smelly smelly
dwelly is that that's not smelly dwelly. I was he
was texted to be smelly dwelly. That's what people called you. No,

(46:44):
I mean I've heard roster boskin thrown around by some
of the faithful, like that peanut butter dwelly time. People
have been texting me saying, I don't know, but peanutbvert
dwelling time is peanutvert dwelly time is solid. That's That's
a good one I feel about all, but people whatever
they want. Are you a peanut butter guy? Oh? Yeah,

(47:05):
I love peanut butter smoother, cuntry, smoother, cuntry smooth, for sure.
Like you're like old school like Jeff. Or do you
do like yeah, I look, I gotta have my natural
peanut butter with that all that oil at the top.
I go back and for um, but definitely I'm a
I'm a Jeff guy for sure. Um Okay, Now what's
the ratio? Like do you do a big thick amount

(47:26):
of jelly or is it mostly peanut butter If I'm
making If I'm making a PBJ, I lather both slice
of bread with the peanut butter and then put the
jelly in between. So the jelly doesn't sort of melt
through the bread. That's my technique. Yeah, you don't do
like white bread, do you like? There's I don't know
what anybody who's like alive now that's in their twenties

(47:49):
or older that actually you don't go like the glet
me get some wonder. I'm gonna go old school when night,
get a glass of milk. You couldn't possibly do white bread. No.
I think our nutrition is for having in yours and
if I did white but we just do like whole
green Stull got live show on Fox Sports. Ray Rosswell
is our is our guest. You mentioned George George being
George Kittle. Um, he's a big talker, fun dude, right,

(48:13):
don't if you don't believe he was good at basketball,
just ask him. He'll talk about it. Does does does
he talking about himself get tiring in the tight end room?
I know George George definitely keeps the whole tight in
room on their toes. Uh. He's definitely a character. Um.
You know Georgia just himself and you know you can't
you know he love a guy that just just himself. Um.

(48:35):
He claimed that the video game playing has led to
many a broken uh controller, argument riffs within the team. Um,
are you involved in the video game wars? Oh? Definitely, Um,
that kind of start and ot as I'll go over
to his place and we just play video games afterwards
we've done working out and stuff. Um, and there's definitely,

(48:58):
you know, something of competition in the video game world.
But now you know, we're we're usually on the same
team now, so we're all working towards the common goal, right, Well,
like what C O D. Is that what you guys
are playing now? Yeah, we're going from college you here
right now, you know, but we kind of switched it up.
There was a reported broken controller. He wouldn't sell out
his teammate. Will you who broke the controller? Oh? You know,

(49:21):
I'm not sure Ros Ros alright, Ross, welly um, alright.
So Aaron Rodgers coming in, like you know the whole story,
like he he's in northern California. Dude, he wanted to
he wanted them to draft him. He wanted to beat
Joe Montana. He did not truth be told. When he's
on the field, you're not gonna be sitting on that bench.

(49:43):
You're gonna be up watching or are you gonna watch it?
From the big screen because it it is Aaron Rodgers
coming into your building. Uh. Usually you know when the
other offense on the field, we're on the bench, you know,
getting coached up by our position coaches, uh, from the
previous drive. So you know, even it is there and Rodgers,
I don't see bad that changing. Yeah. Well listen, um,

(50:05):
you guys continue to impress, find ways to win games,
and obviously, uh, your emergence is just another threat for
Shannahan to use. We appreciate you joining us breaking down
the peanut butter and jelly and the video game plan
and look forward to seeing in the future. Yeah, I
appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Alright, peanut butter,
Peanut butter, dwelly time, peanut barter, dwelly time. I didn't

(50:26):
ask you by are you your peanut butter and jelly guy? Right?
Like your Midwestern movie? Okay, so what is your cream
creamy or crea crunchy? Does anybody here like like? I
won't if you say like, I all I have his crunchy,
I'll get crunchy. But I don't believe anybody goes to
store going like I gotta find crunchy peanut butter. Yeah,
I'm not. I'm not a fan. I've had it, um,
you know, more than a few times with creamy is better.

(50:46):
And I liked that ross head that he was a
Jeff guy. Yes, because Jiff Jeff is top shelf. What
what else? I'm trying to think, what's what's the there's
one that's like blue Skippy. Skippy is the blue and
white with the red need Skippy Peter Pan, Peter Peter Pan,
Peter Pan, Peter Pan. You know, there's there's the reports,
you know, uh, peanut allergies are up like twelve per

(51:09):
year or whatever. But the sales of peanut butter, which
is a huge but like a four billion dollar business
United States. I just actually just saw a program on
it and they're down, but part of it, it doesn't
equate for all these other kinds of butter. Have you
guys ever had the cookie butter? No, it never basically
just desserts. That's not like a real it's not real butter,

(51:30):
but it looks like peanut butter, but it's made. But
you know those Biscoff cookies. When you're on an airplane, John,
an airplane is uh, you go somewhere medical. It's the
metal things that are in the sky tubular. You gotta
go from l A to New York. Okay six hours

(51:50):
if you fly delta Delta cookies? Are these Biscoff cookies?
So like the first I think cookie butter? Is this
Biscoff cookie butter? And now there's all the kind of
cookie butters. Have you never had a John No, not
having it looks it looks it has some of the
same consistency as peanut butter. But it's not. It's pretty amazing,
all right. So back to you buyer. So you're a

(52:12):
Jeff guy, it's your top shelf. Um, you don't go whitebread,
do you? Of course I do? Oh my god, I
actually even bought Wonderbread within the last week. I want
to see that. I want to see that. I want
to see that on Twitter tonight. I want to see
a picture. But Peanut and Jelly said, you have to
have cold glass of milk, right, sure, absolutely cold glass
of milk. Peanut butter and jelly, what's your ratio? Is

(52:35):
butter on one side? Grape jelly? I did forget to
ask welly about that? Wait, what interns booing? Are you
a strawberry jelly? That's what Dan says, are you a
strawberry jelly guy? I like strawberry, but I do like
grape as well. I like strawberry and toast. Sorry interrupt,
but on like buttered toast. I'm good with strawberry, but

(52:55):
for the pebe and j You guys, remember the time
when I said, what would you like on buttered toast?
Remember that I don't. I'm bessing with you. No, but
it isn't. There isn't. There's a strong push. I yes,
the that's more like a jelly jam type thing on toast, right,
Like some people like that apricot jam stuff. I don't,
but there's some other ones. Whereas with peanut and jelly,
I do feel like it's a strictly grape jelly argument.

(53:19):
You can go strawberry, but going strawberries a kind to
going almond butter and trying to act like you're part
of this conversation. Very true music music. What's your ratio?
I go heavy peanut butter. Oh, I have a question.
I have a question. This is important to any of
your guys. Moms do the diagonal thing or everybody goes
straight across. I'm a straight across, straight across, or just uncut,

(53:40):
uncut is very good. Uncut right, non circumcised is very
very good. It's terrific. As all of oats would say.
I can't go for that. It's got to be cut
straight because because you do like to look at your
work right, like to look at the ratio like, well,
that's a beautiful job I did there. To be honest,
there's two different shapes too. There's two for a textures

(54:01):
that you're feeling from the bottom of the crust on
the top. Did you ever go no crusts? And how
long before you decided crust was then acceptable? I mean
I went through puberty, so of course i'd no longer
go no crust, right? That was That's like something that
you do as a child. I don't like crust. Don't worry, Doug,
don't worry. We'll cut the crust off where my mom
would never do that. But that that that means you're

(54:23):
you're spoiled child if you had your crust cut off.
By the way, the crust is the best. Okay, here's
a question. Do you guys eat the heel of the bread? Oh? Yeah, definitely,
it's amazing. The heel of the bread is maybe the
most underrated. Uh part of of eating like because people
will stay away from the heel like it's like it's
like it's leprosy like right, it's like a big white

(54:45):
head ZiT on the end of a of a loaf
of bread. Like, dude, there's it's more crust. It's good.
I don't know about that. Really. Yeah, I'm not a
heel guy. Actually tossed out the heel of our old
wonder bread because I bought new Wonder Bread about two
days ago. Buyer, Damn Buyer is amazing. I love Dan Buyer.
I really do right Like I was, I would not

(55:07):
stereotype anybody's a wonderbred guy. And then all this things
like no, no, dude, I'm a wonderbred guy. I just
got a fresh sloaf of it. Okay, Now, I'll just
tell you this. I'm not a bred snob for peanut
butter and jelly. I wouldn't do wonder home pride acceptable answer.
Are you okay with that? Damn sure, I'm totally fine
with home pride, honeywheak. Yeah, I'm open to all bread.

(55:27):
Wonder just hand the right price and it lasts a
little bit longer. That's the wonder of it. Yes, that
is the wonder of it. What can the Bears do
with their quarterback? I'll ask former general manager Joe Banner,
he joins us. Next, be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug gott Leap Show week days at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Joe Banner spent twenty
years in the NFL, president CEO of the Eagles and Browns.

(55:49):
He joins us on the Doug Gotlic Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Um. Look, I am an avid Charger fan.
I know a lot of people in that building and
this is not the first time, second time in two weeks,
they feel like your quarterback has cost you the game.
That said, Joe, how quickly would you begin the process
of moving on from Philip Rivers if you were in

(56:11):
that building. Well, I mean there's two parts. One is
preparing for him, one is actually moving on. So I
mean I think they probably should have already been in
the in the mode of trying to find the next answer. Um,
and I still think he's capable of playing at a
high level, although we're not seeing it at the moment.
So I wouldn't be afraid of looking at this year

(56:33):
and another year maybe and continuing with my guy. I
understand contractual complications that that creates, but you know, whether
he's right at the end or near the end is
the only debate, and in either case, you better get
the next guy lined up as fast as you can. Yeah,
it was. It was not good because that's a good
football team. It just doesn't look like a good football

(56:55):
team when their quarterback keeps turning the football over. Yeah,
I clears up. And my view about this is really simple.
If you made a list, and this is true almost
every year again in my opinion, in the League of
Chiems that you thought were going to be better than
they turned out to be almost a hundred percent of
the time. The explanation is because the offensive line isn't
good enough. And I think that's been an issue for

(57:18):
why the Charges, although they had some very good years,
have never quite gotten to where with somebody like Philip
Brewers and some of the other people they've had. I
think they could. And if you look at whether it
was the Jets or the Browns of the Falcons, or
I would even put the Rams in this group. And
I think the the Charges are suffering from not having
a good enough five pass of the line which is

(57:39):
gonna be a massive problem. Whoever the quarterback is it is.
They have paid a little more attention to the last
few years. They did for a while, but you know,
they've better have that at the top of the list.
And you don't just you know, you don't want to,
in my opinion, have just a good enough line. You
have got to have if you want to play against
the best teams have a chance to win, you have

(57:59):
to have a line good enough to block the best
defensive lines in the league. And so, in addition to
the challenges they have now at the quarterback position, they've
just got to raise the priority of getting themselves and
it worse the top ten offensive line in the league
and some of its injury and some of its priorities.
But they're just definitely not there right now. Yeah, did

(58:19):
they did draft Force Lamp of course a couple of
years ago. He got hurt. He's now back playing. But
they didn't have either their tackles last night. And of
course you get a little pressure at a guy's feet,
somebody who doesn't never move well to begin with, and
now is is at the end of his career and
it looks even worse. It's a great point. Joe Banner
joining us Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
What about the Chiefs. You know you've got a big

(58:39):
lead and um, but the expression is, you know, the
best way to play defense is to not play defense.
You know, run the football, keep your defense off the field.
They can't. They they're not the same since losing Kareem Hunt.
Is that their offensive line or is that this is
the drop off between Kareem Hunt and the committee they've
replaced him with. Remember I work with Andy Reef for

(59:00):
fourteen years, so he doesn't fully subscribe to the theory
that you just stated, and I agree with I mean,
he is a stagraph aggressive as the last minute, and
for him, aggressive is overwhelmingly throwing the ball. I think
that their run game is good, but not so good
that when you know that's exactly what they're gonna do,

(59:22):
it's still gonna beat you. And I think it's a
little bit running back, where again, knowing him so well,
he'll put as much of a priority in running back
who can help in passing game as just a you know,
pure hard runner. Um, And I gotta tell you it's
not something he'll spend as much time in practice on
as most teams. So you know, at times it's been

(59:43):
a great advantage to him, and I think on a
net basis, it's actually the right philosophy. But he's also
lost games because he just hasn't got this quite up
to kind of let's call it the minimum level you
need to to play the fourth quarters the way you
need to frequently. Joe Berry cavallmant twitter at Joe Banner thirteen,
former president CEO of the Eagles and the Brown joins

(01:00:05):
us in the Doug Otli Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Um tom Brady appeared to be a bit perturbed, peeved.
He's like, look, it's mid football season, whever. That's kind
of how I am. Is it? Is it the lack
of weapons or is it that Tom Brady is not
Tom Brady that we recall. I hate to be a
broken record, but the first problem they have is they've

(01:00:27):
never put this week, never not all these He's there now.
They also have a weapon problem, and it remains to
be seen if finally time is catching up with him
a little bit. I'm far from prepared to say that
because until he gets the protection, you know, he's he
knows now we will come back this week that will
make a big difference. But you know, they've been a

(01:00:48):
center centric offensive line, and by that I mean the
ability to make calls and design and leave the offense
with quality often underrated frequently not name centers who are
really good players has been an important part of their
definition of how to build a team. And they lost
this sent up for the year, and so although I

(01:01:10):
think the line will get better, I think they're going
to continue to struggle with the line not being what
they're used to. So, uh, you know, if my analysis
and an offensive isn't working, especially if you have a
quarterback you know is good, automatically gravitates to the line
questions before I go anyplace else. They've one. Remember, they've
revolutionized the game, even though not everybody's copied it by

(01:01:33):
using tight ends and running backs, matching them up on
linebackers and winning the matchup down after down after down.
And they've got the ability to do that. But obviously
the tight ends never not close to what has been
But they've got to stable a four or five running backs,
so hardly any linebackers this league could cover. And I
think starting this week with Dallas, where that matchup actually

(01:01:55):
uh is obvious. You're gonna start to see them try
to utilize a lot m war of that, But I
don't think they're gonna win the Super Bowl. Was that
figure out this offensive line problem. As good as they look,
as great as the record is, as smart as they
are now, they're so smart that they can get by
with a B line where somebody else may need an
A or an A plus line, but they can't goodbye

(01:02:15):
with a C line. And that's what they got at
the moment. Joe Uh, what you what are your thoughts
on the longevity of the Lamar Jackson thing? Like we've
seen this style of offense um with with with different
operators of it, you know, from r G three to
Vince Young to to Uh to Mike vick Um. Obviously
Vic wasn't running this style of option game nearly as much,

(01:02:36):
but he had just profound athleticism and kind of similar
attributes where he wasn't terribly accurate intermediate underneath throws, but
did throw a great deep ball. What are you what
are your thoughts in the longevity of Lamar Jackson thing,
which is taking the league by storm over the past
couple of weeks. Yeah, and just took the agress for
one second before I give you a direct answer. I
was there in Philly when we acquired Vic, and Andy's

(01:02:57):
vision was exactly what the Ravens are now doing, even
though we never really fully executed that, so you haven't
actually seen what you're seeing. But he his idea was
take the West Coast offense and integrate the college spread
concepts with a really quick quarterback. That was the reason

(01:03:18):
we signed Michael Vick variety of reasons. He never got
to fully do that. He did some of it, he's
even doing some of it now. UM. I think that
as long as Lamar continues to be able to be
reasonably effective, he doesn't have to be phenomenal in the
passing game, so they don't become one dimensional and like
we started the playoffs last year, just six put six

(01:03:39):
guys across the line, and all of a sudden it
becomes a lot harder. Do I think this has real
longevity and a chance to be a defense that's gonna
be really hard to figure out how to adjust to
and slow down. I think it's conceptually really really smart. Yeah.
I also, um, I also think what's what's fascinating is

(01:04:00):
that they have r G three as a backup. Granted
there's a r G three is not the athlete he
used to be, nor Zy Lamar Jackson, but you have
to prepare for the possibility of even at at at
best a nick here, a bump there, And you don't
want to completely change kind of your DNA, nor can
you change your d NA like. That's the other part
to it, which is there are more of these guys

(01:04:21):
available out on the street that you could get as
backups now, yes, and and by the way, many college
options coming up that won't have to be the second
pick in the draft necessarily, although if it spreads, obviously
the demand on those guys will will go up. But
um no, they have a unique situation, by the way,
with a really young offense, and they have one offensive

(01:04:44):
lineman anyway near being the end of his career. And
you know, if you ask me, what's the number one
thing Lamar has gotten better at from last year to
this year, and I think there's a long list of
those things. The first one is being better at avoiding
contact and finger out when to go down and take
less hits. So although his risk of getting injured is

(01:05:05):
still very real and would have a huge impact on them.
It's dramatically less than it was a year ago. And
I think he's going to keep going that way because
he seems smart and he seems to be responding to
coaching really well. The Rams you mentioned offensive line issues.
I don't want to sound like a broken record because
I know you're going to mention the offensive line. But
they did finally commit to giving Girly the football. You know,

(01:05:28):
now the schedule gets more difficult. Those same Ravens who
have a very good defense come calling. Is it just
as simple as give Girly the football and the rest
of the work itself out. Um, well, it depends on
the order, you know. You know. My second most frequent
stereotypical thing to say is and so underestimated. I think

(01:05:50):
when people analyze the game, almost every single year, between
eighty and nine of the games are won by the
team that leads at halftime, And if you really think
about that, it should drive the strategy of everything from
how you build your team to how you call plays early.
So I think more use of Girly is really important,

(01:06:12):
will make them better, will make them harder to stop.
But if they do that to the point where they
go back to the old thinking of, well, let's establish
the run and then we'll try to score some points.
I think they're going to fall behind in too many
games and kind of create a self defeating prophecy because
they won't be able to utilize him as months once

(01:06:33):
they fall behind. So for me, the ideal strategy for
them is use play action from the very first plays
of the game, before you even established the run, try
to get the lead, and then really let Girly try
to carry the game, you know, stay somewhat balanced. Obviously,
I'm not suggesting it running every play, but if they
could make a priority of scoring first game after game

(01:06:55):
and then using the offense they have and his skills
more freak they have been. So we have a very
hard team to come from behind on as we a
very hard team to keep from scoring early. If you're
coming in there thinking, boy, we've better stop Girly and
next thing you know, they've got this mixture of runs
and passes and screen passes and all that kind of
stuff and using him, you know, very heavily early in

(01:07:18):
the game. Um, but with the real concentration on getting
the lead, because they're gonna be they've got a defense.
It's gonna be hard to come from behind on and
they've got this dominant running game. It's gonna be able
to shorten the game once they get the lead. So
I think the most important thing they can do is
use Girly more. But in the context of making scoring first,

(01:07:41):
to get the lead early in the game a top priority.
As you do that, Joe Banner joining us in the
Doug Gli show form Presidency of the Eagles and the Browns.
Take a listen to Jerry Jones this. This is earlier
today on a Dallas radio station one A five point
three the Fan. I want to be real clear about something.
Zeke is one of the best football players in the
actual football league, and it makes no sense not to

(01:08:04):
be trying to get the ball to Zeke or get
the plays in and around ze People are asking if
Tony's Pollard should get some more touches. Obviously, Dak Prescott
had an exceptional week. What are your thoughts on how
Jerry is handling Zeke having a bit of a disappointing
year considering the contract he received. You know, I think

(01:08:24):
that the Jerry's comment is right as long as he's
talking about utilizing him as much in the past. The
game as the run game, you can't shut down running
back who's a really good route runner and catches the
ball well without just completely changing your defense. And I

(01:08:45):
think that's where they really underutilize him the most. Now
as the game goes on and again you've got the lead,
you know, give him carry up to carry if you want,
But utilizing him in the passing game, you name the linebacker,
you may come up with a couple of Shimbeck is
all thirty two teams we're going to actually cut be
able to cover him, and he is deadly in the

(01:09:06):
open field. So if Jerry's purely talking about we need
to get him carries instead of twenty, I'm not there
with him on that. If he's there saying we need
to get him thirty touches and seven or eight or
have to be reception, I'm in agreement with him. Have
you ever seen anything like what the Eagles had this
year where I think I can count four games where

(01:09:28):
once put it on the money. I mean Nelson Aguila,
how many of these times? How many times he had
this opportunity like one catch, the game goes a different way,
and like I know, they have offensive line issues Obviously,
Lane Johnson gets hurt, game changes, They've had wide receiver injuries.
But the not just drops, but the timeliness of the drops,

(01:09:49):
I've never seen anything like it. You've been around this
game your entire professional life, have you no? And I've
been on that franchise, by the way, we've had this
problem before. This is, uh, you know, stunning to watch Ellison.
I'm a huge one stamp, but he's not playing nearly
as well as he cannery he needs to, but he
also has been the victim of some really bad play

(01:10:09):
from the people surrounding him. Giving a great example of
it where he's made a spectacular play that you know
it could have you been something we're talking about it
for Oh my god, I can't you know the last
play the game, they come back to the school, they
send a game at overtime and they just they just
don't have guys that are making the big plays they
need to at the big moment. By the way, sometimes

(01:10:30):
that's him, but most of the time it hasn't been him.
And you know, that was a classic example. It was
a tough catch, it was a tough play. But if
you plan on being at the final four, Final eight,
team in the NFL and you've got a quarterback like that,
you absolutely have to have somebody who's making that catch.
And it's happened too many times to them. Joe, Joe,

(01:10:51):
great stuff. Thanks so much for joining us. We really
appreciate your time. No, my pleasure. Good talking to Joe
Banner twenty years in the NFL President CEO Eagles and
Browns fall on Twitter at Joe or third team. Had
the Patriots lost their edge one Super Bowl Champion? Things
they have to give? My thoughts next, Doug Allie Show,

(01:11:12):
Fox Sports Tradio. Every day at this time, we played
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Sports Trade or Fox Sports w don't we call it now?
Bowl Champion. Greg Jennings, an NFL analyst, was on First
Things First this morning. He was talking about the Patriots
and what's different than this season, the history of the
New England Patriots and what goes before then, what precedes them.

(01:11:34):
Their reputation has always preceded them, and teams are just
not afraid to play the New England Patriots. They're just
not and they've always there's always been this little angst
with teams going into Foxborough in January because of who
Tom Brady and what he provides in the playoffs. Now,
I get it, he's a different player typically in the playoffs,

(01:11:57):
and you don't have to you don't have to be
so great, but you just can't make mistakes, and he
typically does not do that. But when I look at
these teams and what they've always been afraid of or
leary of, is Tom Brady beating them? And I just
don't see that being the case, number one, because his
ability has started to decline, and then you already don't

(01:12:20):
have the personnel that's going to elevate and supplement what
he's now lacking. Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem.
You know, there was a time in his career where
he could elevate everybody and that during that time, that
was actually during the decade when they didn't win a
Super Bowl. He had Randy Moss and he had you know,
Aaron Hernandez. They had super, super talented players. Um you know,

(01:12:43):
look last year they became a power running team and
they used Gronk and Edelman on third down to find
them and find the mismatch. Now you don't have Gronk.
Now you don't have nearly nearly the same um running
game as well. Gronk was also a very good pass
block about run blocker as a tight in which most
pass catching tight ends are not. So there's a bunch different. Well,

(01:13:05):
let's not undersell the fact that Tom Brady is not
the same Tom Brady he used to be. Nobody would
be at forty two. And because he won a Super Bowl,
we dismissed the fact that he threw two and should
have been three interceptions against the Chiefs. He wasn't great
at the end of of last season, and it's not
like he lit up the Rams in the Super Bowl.

(01:13:27):
All that said, Like, if you don't like the Patriots
is fine, who in the a f C do you like?
You're gonna go? You're all in the Ravens because the
Ravens beat him, Like okay, but the Ravens gonna beat
them a second time around when Belichick and that defense
have seen what Lamar Jackson has, my guests would be no, yes,
right music. It sort of feels like the Tiger Woods

(01:13:48):
thing where it's easy to say now after you kind
of think that they don't look top notch for a
couple of weeks to be like, oh I mean, no
one's scared of the Patriots anymore until like Tiger Woods
came back and won the Master. Everybody say, right, everybody says,
not not scared Tiger Woods. And then all of a sudden,
You're gonna tee off a Tiger Woods on a Sunday,

(01:14:09):
you know, and there's a huge throng. You're like everybody,
you know, what's that? Mike Tyson? Everybody, everybody's got plan
until they get punched in the mouth. Same thing. Everybody says,
I'm not scared of the Patriots, and and doesn't mean
you're scared, but you better at least be respectful when
you go in there. Yes, John Romas, is it possible
to have the same type of drop off? Do you

(01:14:29):
feel that like Peyton Manny had? Like Peyton Manny went
from being like right with th like forty touchdownder and
then the next season with Denver he was like looked
like he had aged like a hundred years. Is that
possible for Tom Brady in the next couple of weeks
to even look worse? I mean, look, that's what Max
Kellerman predicted like four years ago, right, remember that off
off a cliff, And of course he was wrong. He

(01:14:52):
was wrong about the timing of it. Doesn't mean that
he's gonna be wrong about it. Jason Kidd his last
season with the Nicks. You couldn't make a lay up
in the playoffs. The all of a sudden was just
over Kim Duncan, zero point Tim Tim Duncan was um
John Smolls, John Smolts was the Red Sox out of
the pen at the end. I mean Steve, Steve nashon

(01:15:14):
Lakers couldn't even play, couldn't get healthy. Yeah yeah, Dan Buyer,
go ahead not to add to the list. But Carson
Palmer and the Packers playoff game even that they want.
Yeah he looked washed. Yeah yeah, And we love Carson
on this. But we're allowed to be We're allowed to
be realist. Man. You know Boston, how about this? Um

(01:15:35):
Smaltz went to Boston and he had an eight point
three three e r A, Like here's the guy, a
lifetime three point three three r A and the year
before he was with Atlanta two point five seven r A.
Started with the started with the Cardinals, and then I
think a trader got cut and end up with the
Red Sox in the playoffs, and it was just bad

(01:15:55):
and like John Smolts, is one of the greatest pictures
of our or maybe any generation. So actually he ended
up with the Cardinals that year in the playoffs, not
with the It was with the Red Sox. But the
Red Sox end up cutting him and he went to
the Cards and he was okay in the play Basically
he was washed. So to answer your question, yeah, I do.
I think that's what happens. I don't. But you never

(01:16:18):
know when the you know when the when the end
is here. Um, speaking of being washed, speaking of being older,
it really is for some teams easy to identify the problem,
identifying what's wrong. It's not that hard. Fixing what's wrong
Now a sudden we get difficult. What do you do

(01:16:41):
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there's these transitional ages, right, transitional ages, and it's it
starts really really young John Ramos, of course, our technical director. Um,
they just had a baby. And there's the transitional age
of when you're a newborn, right newborn to infant. You know,

(01:17:24):
when you're newborn, every knee you take care of every knee.
But at some point, whether you do ferber, which is
the furbor method of letting them kind of cry it
out and learn a sell suit, at some point you
have to allow your baby to learn the tools to
self suthe and put itself to sleep. Right, But you

(01:17:45):
have to You don't want to do it too early
because it's almost like cruel and it's really hard on
the mom here her baby cry. But you want to
do it too late because then all of a sudden
you've got a problem. Right, you know when a four
year old crying and in diaper and screaming in your bed,
you know, needing it's baba. The transitional ages continue like

(01:18:07):
after their too then they need to be in a crib,
out of a crib when they get to be three
and being a big girl bed, big boy bed, we're underwear.
I don't want to too early because just parts of
the brain which are not developed don't want to do
too late, right, nobody wants to have a classmate in
first grade? That sorry, Ms Sally, I have to go

(01:18:28):
to the front office with my mom's here. I need
a breastfeed all right? Like that? It continues when your
kids start to get a little bit older. I have
twin dollars or thirteen teenagers? All right, do you leave
mom alone? Do you get a babysitter? Do you not
get like? They can they can go to sleep on

(01:18:51):
their own. They can do all those things, but will
they do it when they're supposed to do it? And
can they protect themselves or take care of their younger siblings?
Like it hard? And then you know, you get to
that transitional age of sixteen to eighteen, right like technically
they can drive and go places, but how protective or protective?

(01:19:13):
Then there's the when you get to later in life,
the transition age when you're able to be on your own,
but should you be on your own? Like my mom is.
I'm not gonna give her age. She's in her seventies
and my son and I were at her house the
other night and she needed a sofa moved. Wasn't terribly heavy,

(01:19:36):
but I start to move it with my son and
she starts to having like no, no, no, no, no,
no no, how did this get there? I moved it.
I just it's not that heavy, no that we we
don't do that. And kind of similarly to early in
life when you try and do too much that you're
not ready for. Later in life, you do too much,

(01:19:57):
which can hurt your shoulder, your back, and what happens
if you do have a bad fall. Who's like if
you don't have your cell phone with you and you
live by yourself, who's going to pick up the phone
and call these things are there's trade and you. But
you don't want to put your mom in like an
adult living facility too early. But you don't want to

(01:20:17):
wait till it's too late and they hurt themselves or
you know, or they're incapacitated. In football, you have transitional
ages as well. You gotta be very careful with these
rookie quarterbacks. Don't play them too early. Dwayne Haskins and
I know that Jared Goff was probably played too earlie

(01:20:40):
and he's recovered. I don't know if Mitch Drabinski recovered,
if he was never really that good. He's really struggled
early on and he's struggling now. And so the question is,
did the Washington Redskins do themselves a disservice or do
Dwayne Haskins a disservice playing him too early? On the
other hand, if you let the guy sit too long. Now,

(01:21:01):
guys the team, like you know, they don't think he
can play at all. They're not even playing him. Our
season is over. You can't do it. You are early,
but you can't do it too late. Go to the
end of your career. Philip Rivers through four interceptions last night. Now,
one interception was not his fault, starting a different left
tackle gets hit from behind, it pops up into the

(01:21:25):
arms of a Kansas City chief. But the other three
were on him. And you start to wonder, wait, if
they if the Chargers let him walk this year, is
it too late or is it too early? Because you
can't make the excuse in your mind, Hey, we didn't

(01:21:47):
have our left tackle most of the season, didn't have
him in the altitude of Mexico City, and now we
didn't have our right tackle last night. We have all
these different injuries, like, look, Philip Rivers can still play
and oh yeah, by the way, this isn't like monkeys
on a vine where you just grab the next vine.

(01:22:07):
You're jumping into the great unknown, not knowing what you have,
your your choices. Everybody watches the Charges last night. Well
that's it for Philip Rivers. You move on. He's an
honor contract at the end of the year. That sounds great.
What are you moving on to. You're moving on to
one of the retreads. You're trying to fix Marcus Mariota.

(01:22:28):
You can try and fix Jameis Winston. You can try
and fix Cam Newton. You can do that. It's possible.
But there's a reason that in a sport which protects
teams from losing any one of their star players, that
don't want to look like if a team doesn't want
to lose you, they are not losing you. They're just

(01:22:52):
not losing. If they don't want you to go, you're
not going anywhere. That's what the franchise tag was invented for.
And at the most important position in sports, you're available,
made available by original team. It does on some levels
say something about what they think of your level of
competency or health. So you're choice of the charges. The

(01:23:14):
charges are stick by Rivers and run the risk of
it being too late and then being washed up, or
do it too early and make a change for a
guy who has words of his own. Oh no, don't worry,
You're just draft one, Like that's not easy. Maybe you're

(01:23:37):
maybe now at to a hurt. You can draft to
a but what if to his hip is never right?
Or remember you draft two and he doesn't play for
a year? What then? And free agency is before not
after the NFL draft, unlike in basketball, So if you
don't end up with a quarterback, you're everyone in the

(01:23:58):
world knows at your desperate to get somebody who can
be a signal caller. And when you have a ready
made team, like this is a team that is ready
made to win. Melvin Gordon want a new contract, but
he can be franchise next year if they don't give
him a long term deal. They have Austin Neckler in
the contract. They got Mike Williams in the contract. They
got Derwin James in her contract. The only guy that's
gonna be an issue this upcoming off season gonna be

(01:24:19):
Joey Bosa, who's gonna want to moon the stars in
the sun. They have Melvin Ingram under cart Like that's
a good team. A good football team, they're gonna be fine,
but they gotta figure out the quarterback. And they're at
this transitional age. They're at this spot where you're like,
he's not as good as he used to be, and god,

(01:24:42):
he's making some internals are driving crazy. But would you
prefer the transitional age of a little too old, too
over the hill? Right? That's the two spots to a
little too young and not ready before the prime. You know,
it's a it's a really hard call. Having to understand

(01:25:03):
transitional age and how it fits in with your football
team is one of the most difficult parts in football.
And everybody says, well, better to move on too early
than too late, until you move on too early, and
at that position, it's really hard to find a replacement,
really really hard. That's why they pay those guys upwards

(01:25:25):
up thirty and at the end of this offseason forty
million dollars because they're just not a bunch of those
guys walking around on the street. About half the guys
who start in the league can actually play and play
well in the entire league. Um, Look, there's a bunch
to take away from that game. Can't city still can't
run the football I thought the altitude. Anybody who thinks

(01:25:50):
it's a snap go and play games down in Mexico
City every week. Like those guys were dying, they were gassed.
And that's the charges you spent a week in the
altitude preparing for it. But the biggest takeaway is Philip
Rivers looks like most quarterbacks who are in their late
thirties and and just like we told you and Adrian

(01:26:13):
Peterson came off of a torn a c L and
won the m v P. He's the exception, not the rule.
He's a He's an absolute unicorn. The same is true
for Tom Brady, Philip Rivers draft classes with Eli Manning.
How's this You're working out for Eli Manning? With Ben
Roethlisberger whose arm broke down on him, and like like

(01:26:36):
Rivers this year through for a bunch of yards last year,
but through a ton of interceptions last year as well,
his contemporaries are either out of the game or on
their way out of the game. It shouldn't be. We
can't compare him to Brady, just like you can't compare
any running back coming off in a c L to
to Adrian Peterson. Those guys are unicorns. There once in

(01:26:56):
a generation, once in a lifetime, and you gotta It's
like is it the media or the mean? Where you
cut out the high and you cut out the low
and you take the average of the rest. That's what
you gotta do with players in the NFL. You take
out the very high, You take out the Tom Brady

(01:27:18):
who's at forty two still playing and playing pretty well,
and you take out the Andrew luck who had thirty
decided to call it quits, and everything else in the middle.
That gives you a better sense. Transitional age is hard,
it's harvand and raising kids it's harden. You got football
players to know too early, or too late or just right.

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Jones is a businessman, all right. Oh, it's the most
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He thought this is the year, and he probably overcompensated
his star running back Ezeke Elliott. Here's Jerry Jones on

(01:28:48):
if they should give the football to somebody else like
a Tony Pollard. I'm gonna be real clear about something.
Zeke is one of the best football players in the
National Football League, and it makes no dance not to
be trying to get the ball to Zeke or get
the plays in and around ze no sense at all.

(01:29:09):
So I don't think this was a response just so
we're aware to the play calling. I could be wrong.
I don't think it's a response to the play calling.
What I do think it is it was a response
to a question about whether not Tony Pollard should get
the ball. And so when you hear that kind of
there should be no like. He's not saying the play
calling is bad. He's saying the question from the fan

(01:29:32):
was bad. Anybody's saying Tony Pollard should get it? Now?
Are they saying they should run it instead of throw
it when defense are stack in the box? That's completely different.
I don't think Jerry's coming off a week where they
put up a bunch of points and his quarterback plays
great and he's thinking about changing the offense. On the
other hand, now your level of competition is going up

(01:29:53):
and taking on the Patriots and their dynamic defense. They
better show a level of competency they have not shown
against playoff teams. Like what he's saying is like, look,
we paid him a bunch of money. We're not going
to not give him the ball. The only reason we
don't give him the ball is because the defense dictates
that based on what they're trying to take away. But

(01:30:15):
we paid him a bunch of money to carry the
ball a lot, to take a beating and and and
and make plays for us. And I think that's a
reasonable approach. Reasonable approach. What do you take away from
h Bran music? Yeah, I think I think Jerry looks
at it and he sees it as look Ezekiel Elliott.

(01:30:37):
Up until this point now, you know, the stats are
starting to change as Dacks evolving as a quarterback, but
up until this point it's been pretty stark between. When
Zeke is effective at running the ball, the Cowboys are
a much better team because it opens up play action
for Dak Prescott. So Jerry Jones is looking at this
situation thinking, Okay, look a couple of bad games. That

(01:31:00):
hasn't been the best season that we've ever had out
of Zeke. But that doesn't mean all of a sudden
we're just going to sort of roll with Tony Pollard
as if he's the same guy as Ezekiel Elliott. I
think he understands that in order for Dak and the
Cowboys to be the best version of who they are,
they know that they need a Zekiel Elliott to perform,
So they're not just gonna abandon ship after a couple
of bad games. I I totally agree with you, totally

(01:31:23):
completely agree with you. I also think there's a lot
of of um ah man, what's the man's name? With
the Vikings, who's fruit? Dalvin Cook? There's a lot of
Dalvin Cook to it, like right, like they ran the
hell out of the football early to get you to
overcommit to the run, and now they're running play action

(01:31:44):
because Kirk Cousins needs play action order to make plays.
Some quarterbacks do not. One, you have to have a
running back that's good enough to people respect, but but two,
you have to have a quarterback that you know, that needs,
that needs that extra time, that needs that extra space,
that needs maybe to get out from behind the line
of scrimmage. Like like Dak played well. But it's not

(01:32:10):
like you're gonna drop dack back forty five times a
game and say, hey, when is when is a big game?
Big boy? That's not who he is, that's not what
he does. That's setting him up to fail. Play to
your strengths. Same thing a Kirk Cousins. All right, Kirk
Cousins threw for over four thousand yards. I think he's
a better thrower than Dak, but you're not gonna have
him throw fifty fifty times a game. Gotta run the
football kee mop balanced in order Cousins to be his

(01:32:31):
best self. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Careering another injury. Don't know if this
is load management or really really hurt, but uh interesting nonetheless,
so I got a lot to get to you here
still mhm um, let's welcome to Eric would of course,

(01:32:53):
former Bill's offensive lineman. You now see him on the
A c C Network, A long time pro joins us
the Doug Gotlie Show on Fox Sports Radio. What percentage
of Philip rivers heirs last night were because he didn't
have his bookend tackles and what percentages Because he's kind
of old, so he doesn't have the arm strength, he
has to kind of predetermined early. And that's what happens. Man.

(01:33:17):
That's a great question, honestly. And you know you talked
about him not having his tackles and and uh Bosa
and Ingram are a great duo on the edge. I mean,
if they were playing in a bigger market. Um, I
say bigger market. L A is a huge market. They
started off in San Diego and they haven't really got
a ton of traction out in l A yet, but man,
they're they're really tough off the edge, and they forced

(01:33:40):
him into some really fast throws last night, and it
seemed like he was just trying to throw it up
and let his receivers make plays. And a few of
those um interceptions of bad throws ended up becoming the
highlights this morning. Anytime you turn on the TV, Eric
Wood joining us in the doug Ali Shall also covers
the Buffalo Bills, the Buffalo Bills color and list. What's

(01:34:01):
your assessment of Josh Allen here too. I think he's
made some great progressions, honestly, and if you're looking from
the outside end, um, you know his his numbers. Don't
just jump out and scream, um that he's having an
incredible year. I mean he throws for two thirty yards
a game. Um, he runs for thirty three yards a game.

(01:34:21):
So he's not Lamar Jackson running the football, but he
is second in the league in rushing, and he's getting
better and better as a passer. Um. You know they
wanted him this year to make better decisions with the
ball in on throws, UM. In the intermediate game. A
couple of weeks ago, he was first in the NFL
and passer rating, and you in throws that traveled nineteen

(01:34:44):
or last yards through the air. Now, until last week,
he didn't complete the ball over twenty yards that passed
through the year, so so kind of weighed all that
out for him. But Johnson has done a way better
job in year two of analyzing coverage is of making
better decisions, getting the ball out quicker, not looking to
run as fast. Um. That should be great for him

(01:35:06):
long term health wise, but for me, he's making plays
in the fourth quarter and in the red zone, and
you could build a around a guy like that, and
you can see him continue to grow. And then the
last thing all there out there. Through the first four
weeks of the season this year, the Bills were number one,
I should say number thirty two the most turnovers in
the NFL. The last six weeks they've only had two

(01:35:28):
turnovers and that's the fewest in the NFL. So they've
done a great job, you know, building this seven and
three record of getting better as the season has gone
on and learning from early mistakes. Eric Good joining US
Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Brady seemed
perturbed at the end of their game. Is it over?

(01:35:49):
I mean, do you think they have enough weapon for
him to succeed? That's a great question. The Bills gave
them all they wanted, an Orchard park um not to
not to reverse your pay Satriot's question, right, back to analysis.
But the Bills game all they wanted in Orchard Park.
That's the only time I've seen them in person this year.
Um and and the Patriots really only scored ten points

(01:36:11):
in that game, actually not in a mix of miss
p a T but they blocked the punt for the touchdown.
They were able to beat them, beat the Bills. But
you know, as the season's gone on, Um, you know,
they lose Antonio Brown, they lose Josh Gored. I don't
know if there's enough talent in you know, it's always
been Brady's been so good to get the ball of
his hand so fast, and Edelman sent in zone so quickly.

(01:36:32):
And they've always had guys like amundla Edelman, Hogan, these
guys that can run these quick routes into zones when
you get man to man. They've always had a match
of nightmare for man to man. Uh in Rob Gronkowski
in shoot earlier in my career, when we're playing the
Patriots in Randy Moss. It's it's been a number of
different guys, and I just don't know if there's enough

(01:36:53):
of those now. Conversely, the Patriots defense is incredible this year,
um through through the I think us through the first
four weeks of the season, they had given up as
many points as they've scored themselves. On defense, they were
literally a wash. You know. Yeah, if they scored one
point a game, they could have won those games. And

(01:37:15):
and um, so their defense is playing absolutely incredible this year.
They struggled against the Ravens. There's some, uh, there's some
conspiracy theorists out there that say that Bill Belichick was
simply trying to see uh, different defenses and how Greg
Roman would attack those different defenses, knowing that this would
be another matchup for the playoffs. I don't know that

(01:37:37):
I buy that completely. It wouldn't surprise me, though. Uh.
There's been a lot of times in my career where
I don't think Bill throws games by any means. But
there's games where I think he really didn't mind losing
a game. In the game at Baltimore UM on Sunday
Football that they've lost to the Ravens, it it seemed
like one of those games. I want I want to

(01:37:59):
ask you about Baltz more Eric Wood joining US a
Louisville UM watch. The CC Network covers the Buffalo Bills
for their radio net network look I get Lamar's look
great the last couple of weeks. Um, But you know, look,
I I watched him first time against the Browns. He
wasn't good. Against the Chiefs, he wasn't good. He struggle
a little bit against the Bengals, first time against the Steelers,
and and there are people are going to give him

(01:38:21):
different looks, make him throw the football. Do you think
long term, long term, they can play this way. It
depends on what you mean by long term. If you
mean through his rookie deal, absolutely, Um. You know, I've
seen guys keep their speed, athletics, a magility, all that, um,
you know, into the early thirties. If they can learn
how to avoid big hits. I'll give you a great example,

(01:38:43):
Shady McCoy. You know I played with him, um, a
couple of years ago, and he was thirty years old,
twenty on thirty years old, still as quick and as
fast as he ever was making Pro bowls, um and
so um. If Lamar is able to avoid the big
shots and and and run the ball all like he
is and move around in the pocket, if he could

(01:39:03):
avoid the big shots, he can play this this style
for a while. I think any time in the NFL.
Um you you catch, you catch teams off guard. And
when I say catch off guard, this is similar stuff
that we ran in Buffalo with Greg Roman and Tyrod Taylor.
And I'll throw this out there. I love Greg Roman.
He might go down as one of the best mobile

(01:39:24):
quarterback coaches, if not the best mobile quarterback offensive coordinator
of all time. You take Paulin Kaepernick to a Pro Bowl,
Tyrod Taylor to a Pro Bowl, Lamar Jackson this year
will be in the Pro Bowl. I mean that's incredible.
Hold on, yeah, do you said Colin Kaepernick? Right? Yeah,
I mean yeah, But it's all of those. The league

(01:39:46):
is caught up to all three of those those other quarterbacks,
like people get like people get Kaepernick. They went, they
went to the Super Bowl and next year they're okay.
But he had his struggles. Tyrod Taylor went to into
the playoffs, but they eventually moved on from him. And
I'm just I'm I'm wondering, is if if the league
does catch up to it. No, you're right, and and

(01:40:08):
they will adjust to what they're doing right now, and
it's can they expand upon it? Because eventually you're just
gonna load the box and what Well, what Almar gives
you is the best athlete probably on the field at
all times at quarterback, and that's your extra guy. So
you usually you give a seven man box on defense
if you want to stop the run, if you're in
if you're in eleven personnel, if you have three receivers

(01:40:30):
on the field, but seven in the box, you can
stop the run. Well, now you you you in theory
have enough guys to stop Lamar, but you have the
best athlete on the field who is going to be
one on one if you're going to play the run
gap sound and that's where they're giving him a ton
of fits. And then if the war can can progress
as a passer um and and and you you mentioned
he struggled at times this this year throwing the ball,

(01:40:53):
and then there's games where he's he's lit the world
on fire. If he can get become more consistent as
a passer and add more threats on the outside, I mean,
this offense could be extremely dangerous because you're going to
have to get one on ones down the field or
what I what I see a lot of teams due
to these mobile quarterbacks Josh Allen and Buffalo included you

(01:41:14):
get a lot of zone coverage so that all the
defenders on defense have their eyes in the area of
the quarterback. You don't have guys chasing guys down the field.
UM in mando band coverage and then you really get
a guy escape in the pocket and can get huge
chunk yards. Well, then Lamar can go up to the
line of scrimmage and and pre snap read a lot
of that, and as he progresses, he'll get better and
better at that. So yes, well, people catch up to

(01:41:36):
what they're doing now, I would imagine so. But just
like anything else in this league, you always have to
be evolving or else you're gonna be behind the eight
ball because defenses will always adjust. UM. Shoot, last year
it was a ton of r pos. This year you're
seeing more man demand defense in the NFL because of that,
a little bit more press on early downs, UM to

(01:41:58):
defend those and always evolving. In Baltimore will have to
do the same. I want to ask you put on
your A c C Network Homer hat and and help
me help me out with Clemson. Um, we we don't
pay attention to anymore because the A C C is
not great this year, right, and we just assume that
they're going to be undefeated, and the only argument for

(01:42:18):
them not making the playoff would be if they actually
lost a game. My bigger question is are they getting better?
That's a great question to me. It seems like they're
getting better. They just blew out a pretty solid wake
Force team. But when wake Force is arguably in your
top three and they're not having an incredible year this year,
that's that's probably a sign of the conference being down. No,
But they beat I mean they beat the hell out

(01:42:40):
of them. They did, right, and they've been dominant for
a number of weeks. Ever since that close call they
had in North Carolina, they've been absolutely dominant. Um. Now,
some of the teams they played, they played a Louisville
team that, you know, wolf was having an incredible year
based upon where they were last year. But talent wise,
they're down right now. Yeah, and then you play NC

(01:43:01):
State in a number of these programs that are down
and really down right now. So are they getting better? Um?
It looks like it on paper, based upon scores and
stat lines, they have all the talent in the world.
They're They're as talented as anybody in the country. Um,
does a team like LS you come into the college
football playoff more battle tested. Yeah likely. Now Clemson has

(01:43:23):
the returning national champion quarterback from a year ago running back,
a number of key players. Their coaching staff won a
national championship last year, So they're gonna they're gonna roll
into the college football playoff UM with an experienced group
when it comes playoff time. But but this team they
have isn't quite as battle tested um as as Clemson

(01:43:44):
teams that have gotten in the past and ran a
tougher schedule through the SEC stuff. Eric would check him
on the a SEC network calls Buffalo Bills games, and
when he has time from his very busy schedule, he
joins us, By the way, I got the Louisville basketball
team number in the country. Okay with that? I love that,
Yeah I do. And uh, hopefully we got some moible
guys listening, and you'll catch some fans around here, because

(01:44:06):
do it for fans. I don't do it fans Louisville
people think I hated them before, I like them now,
Like I don't actually care. I just think you've got
two pros in your front court. Um, and uh, you know,
like I would say on a normal year, like Ryan mcmahann.
I'm not sure if I love him as a starter.

(01:44:28):
But the kid just make shots. You gotta have guys
to make shots. Uh. He spreads before, so Jordan Nora
doesn't get too much attention, right and Stephen Knock I
think it's gonna be an NBA player as well. Um.
I love Samuel Williamson, I love and I think Fresh
Kimba will come along. You know, he's he's kind of
a step slow, he's not shooting it all that well,
but he can run a team. And obviously, if you

(01:44:51):
look back to last year, that was a big you know,
you had a low major at point guard. They found
a way to patch enough holes to make make a run.
This is a really good basketball team. You're right, and
and um, they're about to get Malik Williams, who started
at the five over Enoch back off injury. And then
if Fresh Kimball can't play the one or Darius Perry,

(01:45:11):
there's a kid from Louisville on team right now, David Johnson,
who had shoulder surgery maybe three months ago, who's a
stud who looks the part. He looks like a number
one team in the country's point guard he's six three,
he's long, and he's athletic and well, Coach Mack sending
him office right now. I can see Coach Max House.
So we've had some basketball talks. He loves David Johnson

(01:45:32):
and he doesn't talk that highly of freshman like you
know what I mean. He's he's he's like the all
the old school coaches where you know you gotta come
in and earn it and this and that. He loves
David Johnson. So he might be the starting point guard
before too long. But they're just they're deep this year.
They're competitive, they're tough. I mean, I thought it was
a matchment. I'm a college basketball nerd. I thought it

(01:45:54):
was a matchmate in heaven. When you bring in Chris
Mack and then you bring in Bob Huggins, strength coach
for West Virginia to join forces with Max. So you've
got the toughness that everything that Mac brings. And then
you know what a Bob Buggins teams looks like. You
know what his team looks like. You're an a year out. Okay,
let's combine that in Louisville, Kentucky. Because Andy Ketty, the

(01:46:15):
strength coach, he went to high school with Chris Mac.
They're saying X guys from Cincinnati, and so you combine
that in this program right now, and they're tough and
they're long, and they recruited, you know, a top three.
Probably the best thing coach Mac did he gets the
top three recruiting class with six freshmen when they're still
lingering allegations. I mean, to me, that's just a phenomenal job.

(01:46:38):
That's effort, you know, being out on the recruiting trail.
But you know, we're excited, as you can probably tell,
we're excited in Louisville, Kentucky about our basketball team right now.
You're a lot more exciting to worry about the bills
you actually collect the check from much I want, I
want to want to point point that one out. Eric
Wood a lifer as a bill and now you see
him me hearing he does a great job. What do
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Fox Sports. Why don't we call it? The press can't
buy what he got. I don't know if you I
don't know if we heard this on Fox Sports one, Doug,
but we are going to hear it right now on
Fox Sports Radio. Former Ravens offensive coordinator Marty morning Wigg
denied reports that he wanted to move quarterback Lamar Jackson
the wide receiver in then the denial, by the way,

(01:47:44):
came through the Ravens. They released a statement, even though
Lombardi or morning Wig is no longer with them. It
was Michael Lombardi who claimed that morning wind told coaches
when they drafted Jackson, quote, when are we you going
to move him to wide receiver? End? Quote? Um all
he did actually line up out wide there. There's like
a lot of people are like changing history. And it

(01:48:07):
was at the time, help me out music, didn't I say?
This is like this whole we handle with kid gloves
last year when they had Joe Flacco and they'd have
both on the field at once, he would be lined
up out wide and be like, well, he's not a
wide receiver. Just two quarterbacks in the field at once.
He may be lined up at the position known as
wide receiver, but it's too correct. Was that that that's
what happened? So look, I don't think it's crazy. He's

(01:48:29):
a freak talented athlete and he was wildly and accurate.
This year, he's been better, and they've changed the offense
to be around him, and nobody knows how long this
thing's gonna last. Have you noticed the fire that Ryan
Music has been spinning on Twitter lately. I mentioned this
to him yesterday. He's just taking taking takes and shooting
him down one at a time. If you need a

(01:48:49):
hot take, Music Reports, you're you're gonna douse the hot
take is what you're gonna do. Shooting him down. The overreaction.
I see your hot tag? Can I throw cold water
on it? Take? I think it is Rex Ryan at
Music Reports if you want to read any tweets. Penn

(01:49:09):
State quarterback Sean Clifford, speaking of social media, says he
deleted his social media accounts after receiving death threats following
they lost to Penn State. They're following the laws to Minnesota,
excuse me. Earlier this month, death threats, not death threats.
He received a bunch of threats and we're just doing
some technical stuff. It's why my my mic was on
and off and so my headsets not necessarily. Yeah, it's

(01:49:32):
not good right now. There's one thing to make a
death threat on anybody, but to make it in a
college football player. Because you lose a game, you're officially
the lowest form of humane like amibas looked down on.
You got some odds to win the college football playoff
bet Online saying that Ohio State right now is a
two to one favorite. Clemson and l s U with

(01:49:55):
the same odds at five to two. Georgia right now
listed at seven one. In Alabama at fourteen to one,
Alma's not going to the college fall playoffs. I just
I think we all realized that, right Yeah, I found it.
I found it funny when people thought that now they'll
have an opportunity to show that they just you know,

(01:50:17):
it's not just to a show. It's not just to
a show. But I mean, he's the starting quarterback. Yeah,
who beat out jail and hurt for a reason. I mean,
and and and really, what do they have to what's
their opportunity? Western Carolina? And then yeah, I know who's already.
So the interesting thing Oklahoma and Oregon have the same

(01:50:38):
outs at sixteen to one, Utah a four you to
one shot Penn State at fifty to one. I would
I would take a swing at an Oklahoma. Why not? Yeah,
if they if they can get into the bracket. I
still think it's difficult. I really think it's and and
a lot can happen, a lot can happen along the way,
But for Oklahoma, I just find it. I find it difficult.

(01:50:59):
I do too. But if how the state loses a game,
could lose two games, you know, could lose three games.
I don't know. They have the big ten championship games.
So but let's say they lose a game, you know,
they lose a Penn State. What happens they lose to Michigan.
How do we view him? Yeah? I think that they
I think they'd be better than night. I still think
they be in. But I'm I'm talking about right now,
they look to be unbeatable. Odds to win the twenty

(01:51:22):
nineteen Heisman Trophy. A week ago, Joe Burrow was one
to five. Now he's one to twenty. When Jalen hurts
nine to one, justice. Yeah, exactly, this thing seems to
be over. Johnny John doesn't have that one at his disposal.
MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred says they don't believe the sign

(01:51:44):
stealing scandal involving the Astros includes other teams in the league. No, no, no, no, no,
no no no. I didn't look at other teams in
the league, just like a one. I did tease this earlier.
Manfred did say that he has the power to hand
out a harsher punishment outside of juice levying fines are
taking away draft picks from the Astros. So I mean
that would standard be what astric? Would they put an

(01:52:07):
astric on it? And the investigation expected to wrap up
prior to the start of the season. We'll get to it,
Nicola months. He may have to penalize the Astros by
making them watch baseball in June. And that's the press
I had more. Yeah, Blazers will be without Guardamian Lillard

(01:52:30):
tonight against the Pelicans, but from mellow, Yeah, it'll be
his debut wearing the double zero uniform tonight. Lillard's been
dealing with defensively play double zero. Uh finally double zero. Oh,
that's that's actually we should. He's gonna play about twenty
minutes tonight. Do we want to guess Mellows lying against

(01:52:53):
the Pelicans? Yes, I would say twelve points, maybe fourteen
points six six rebounds to assists. I'll go seven points,
four rebounds and an assist. Music you want to get

(01:53:14):
in this? I will go nine points, three rebounds, one assist.
Now you don John Romos, do you want to get
into this. I'm gonna go six points, two rebounds and
no assists. Okay. Intern Dance been shaking his head kind
of like almost in a cocky fashion. Doug, let's hear it,

(01:53:38):
Intern Dan. Let's let's hear it. Let's get interned Dan Dan.
Dan wants. I don't know what does Intern Dan think?
Intern Dan, he's giving me. I don't know if he's
giving me twenty two points where he's giving me four points.
Let's see here we go, Intern Dan, your guests on
Mellows line tonight, twenty two points, five assists, four rebounce.

(01:54:00):
There it is Doug it out there and pressed. That
was the press. When was the last time he had um?
It's called optimism in today's youth, I mean, Dan, when
was the last time he had Okay, it's been a wow.

(01:54:21):
Damn you do have a microphone and funny, don't you?
I thought you met me or intern no, interned in
interned in. Yeah, you can't hear because John's got the
mics on in there. Might have last year. Yeah, he's
thirteen a half points last year, so you might have
had one. I just know he did on fifty nine shots.
All right, So listen, I think insummation. I think we

(01:54:43):
all agree that that that Philip Rivers appears to be.
I don't know if he's done. But the hard thing
is one how free agency works before the draft, and
two like there has to be another vine. You can't
just free fall if you're jumping off the vine that
is Philip Rivers. And think about the Dolphins and the
Bills and so man, these teams that have moved on

(01:55:03):
from historic the Broncos. To to move on from a
historic quarterback to your next quarterback, you've gotta have a
plan and then another plan, another plan, and even sometimes
those don't work, So be very careful about I know
the NFL mantra is better year, true early than too late,
maybe too late for the Chargers, or maybe is a
better year. But be cautious of not having that next

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