LeBron James and Tom Brady have more in common than you think

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we have a great show for you? Peter King is
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be awesome. I have some thoughts on Lebron James, who
got his triple double against his thirtieth team, So now
he has triple doubles against every team in the NBA.

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How his path, how his journey, how his career at
this point, maybe not right now, maybe not when he
started out? Is similar to another superstar, but not in
his sport. Let's get after it. Boom. What up, America,
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so a lot a lot to get to. You know,
there are some similarities here between Lebron and Tom Brady. Right,

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the differences is are that you know, Brady has one
more superles than any other quarterback and many believe he's
the goat. Right the similarities Obviously, Lebron James has not
one of his more championships than anybody else, but many
some believe he's the goat. These are these are arguments
to be had. Both continue to compete at a very

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high level at an age where generally in their sport
their skills should wane greatly. And of course this is
coming off of the night when Lebron James has his
first triple double against the Oylcloma City Thunder, which means
he's now had a triple double against every NBA team.

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Lebron was asked about the fact that he becomes the
first NBA player to have a triple double against every
NBA team. Here's his his answer. Does that mean anything
in particular? You are symbolized something throughout your career? I
don't know, I don't know. I really don't know what
to think about it, to be honest. I've had some
great teammates and great you know, coaches, and that put
me in a position to be able to uh facilitate

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my teammates have made shots from me throughout my career.
Coaches have put me in position to be successful scoring
the ball, and I'm just trying to you know, read
and react the ball off the rim as far as
you know, getting to rebounds and hopefully, you know, throughout
all those triple doubles. But I gotta win a record
um in those games because that's what's most important. So
I really don't know what to to really think about it.

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I think it's it's just it's it's a pretty cool
statum to know. Sorry, it's a pretty cool stat and uh,
I'm glad it happened in a way. Why is this
alarm going off after the game? As it was weird? Right,
everybody knows that sound too. That sound is an alarm
going I was like, oh, sorry about that. This is
usually time I wake up. I don't know, that was

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an odd one. Maybe it was from the night before
there the night off and he wanted to get up
and get out of here or something. I don't know. Um, Look,
part of this is the amount of time he's been
in the NBA. Part of it is his incredibly diverse
skill set. Obviously, somebody like Magic Johnson couldn't have had
a tripled up against NBA tea because every NBA team
because he only played for one. And so his journey

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is different because this is the third franchise he's played in,
and now he's played in you know, both conferences if
you will, both sides. He stand west. So even though
it's only been a year and an eighth or whatever
with the Lakers, it's given him any more opportunities. All
that said, all that's said, Lebron is still kind of remarkable,

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and I think he's Here's where they're really to a
point where there's a parallel, is that they're so accomplished
now that it becomes about the guys around them. You know,
think about what we talked about with Tom Brady yesterday
or the day before, which is does Tom Brady have

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the pieces around him to be successful? And with Lebron
it's kind of similar. You know, last year when that
team fell apart, was I critical of Lebron James, Yeah,
I was. It was more his emotional or lack of
emotional investment with his team and current teammates and how
they reacted to it. It was more some of the

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things you can't see with his defense and not giving
great effort. But at the end of the day, no
one really questioned Lebron James in terms of how good
he still was. It was a question about what I
just didn't have a enough roster. So of course he's
not gonna play, which is kind of what we're getting
to with Tom Brady, right. People aren't praying pointing out

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as much tom Brady's um inability to to raise the
level of some of these guys. Instead, instead they're pointing
to his his teammates. So I'm I'm fascinated by this,
really and truly I am on you know there, But

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the even what's his name, Tom Brady is like, I'm
gonna play until I can't dunk, and Lebron James on
Twitter said I'm gonna play until I stopped throwing touchdown passes. Right.
So they're they're they're they're kind of coaligned there in
the respect that they have from their peers, from those
in the sport, and much of it is because those

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guys now in the sport grew up watching them play,
idolizing them. It's a it's a really you've been in
the sport that long where you're going up against guys
who literally first started watching the sport when you were
playing it. That that's a rare gift to the fact
that though their skills have wane, they have not waned
so much where somebody, you know, someone needs to elbow

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them and tell them it's time to go. And three,
and this is really really important, is um they have
They have earned the type of respect where when things
go poorly, generally people don't point the finger in their direction.
I'll grant you that the Patriots did end up winning

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the game last year against can City Chiefs, but there
was very few people who were critical of Tom Brady
who didn't play well and did in fact, you know
before the off sides penalty was called her through an interception,
which his third interception of the day. So I think
that there's and then the last part is these legacy

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things that Lebron can say he doesn't know how to
come on man. Now both are playing to win more championships.
Both are playing for the legacy not just of winning
championships but setting records which are insurmountable. There is an
amount of selfishness in the way in which they play
and they both play and kind of an unselfish banner.

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But it's interesting that Brady who is a sixth round
pick and is kind of um maligned out of college
as opposed to Lebron, who was the number one overall
pick and we were told he's the king. Like somehow
Lebron is now a little bit more of a sympathetic
figure because he's doing it at this stage in his

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career and he's trying to be more polite, more contrite,
more respectful, even what he said about Kobe Um, Whereas
I think there's a different confidence level to somebody like
like Tom Brady, who maybe he's trying to convince himself

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or trying to convince everybody around him that age will
not affect him. I don't know. It's it is a
fascinating parallel that we're watching two of the absolute all
time grades. Like, look, I don't actually think Lebron James
is the greatest player ever, but I'm willing to have
that conversation because there are people that do, and he's
been able to do it longer and more consistently. Granted
he started earlier than Michael Jordan's but whatever. It's a

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it's a. It's if you sit here and say, like,
I don't even want to have this discussion. Why are you?
Why are you covering sports? Why are you talking about sports?
I don't think Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback I've
ever seen. But Tom Brady did come back from down three.
He has won six Super Bowls. You know, he has

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done things that no one else previously has done in
the sport, and he's in any reasonable discussion about it.
The same concept about Lebron James, who came back from
down three games to one as one titles with two
different franchises, and with the exception of last year, and
a couple other knicks and bumps, like done it without injury,
with the exception of last year, and at at times

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during the regular season, done it while playing defense. And
now he's done something that no one else has done,
which has recorded triple double against every single other opponent.
You know, and that of course is worthy of it
worthy of any discussion. But as they can tinue to

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these first evers, it's important to point out that some
of the first evers are it's a little bit like
Lamar Jackson, to be honest, right, it's a little bit
like Tim Tebow when when he was at Florida something,
or a little bit like James Harden. Like, some stats
are skewed because the sport has sports have changed, right,

(10:23):
I mean we have this in I'll give you a
better example. College football. You got rushing records being set right, Well,
they're being set now because previously they didn't count bowl games.
There was no overtime, there were fewer snaps, fewer possessions,
and they're playing more games now than they've ever played before. Right,

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So like when people pass Barry Sanders records member, Barry Sanders,
he only got the regular season games. It was no
Big twelve championship game. They played one less game in
the regular season, and there were there were no postseason
games that counted. It was no overtime. So of course
you're gonna be able to get more touchdown. It's more touches,
more yards, and more more and more and more and
more more. In basketball, James Harden is able to average

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more points and more assists because one he's shooting more
three point shots. Two there's more possessions, they're playing faster.
He dominates the basketball. Like all this stuff is more
of the stats are more Lebron James. He's able to
dominate statistically because he's played a position and a style
kind of like James Hardenware. Dominates the ball. You can't

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hand check him, and yes, he would help him defensively,
but you know he's not a back you down guy.
That's not who he is. He shot more threes than
Magic Johnson has, like in his career. In one year,
he's made more threes and Magic made probably his career.
And then, of course he started straight out of high
school and so he started accumulating stats at a young

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age and playing for three different teams. So the true
and honest perspective is like, there has been no similar
path to him. Nobody's play this many consecutive years where
you dominate the ball. When you dominate the ball, you
can more likely and at his size averager triple double.
On the other hand, you still want to tip your
cap and go like, hey, the guy is still really

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good in his mid thirties and he's playing great basketball,
and the team, the Lakers are probably playing like the
best team in the NBA right now, so which is
kind of like Tom Brady, right, Tom Brady is not
perfect now. The quarterback he was in his early thirties.

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You know, maybe they don't have some skill position guys.
Maybe he doesn't have the arm strength he had. But
at the end of the day, like Lebron James, he's
still putting up numbers. They might have the best team
in the NFL, even if it's not perfect or at
the very peak of his powers. There's there's that Tom
Brady in and Lebron James. There's a much greater parallel

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than maybe we would think from the outside. Every Wednesday,
I've defended the College Football Playoff Committee. Everyone come out
and said, hey, this this makes sense. This makes sense
because I think it's a really difficult job. And for
the most part, actually for every part, I think they've
done the right thing. But that that stops today or
stop last night. It's the first time I believe they've

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gotten it wrong. I'll tell you why up coming next
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I'm not somebody who has been hyper critical or critical
really at all of the College Football Playoff Committee, and

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I realized that in one. It's tough job too. A
lot of this stuff, a lot of these questions will
be answered anyway, right, I mean all in all in
due time, so um, all in due time, they'll be
they'll be answered. So you know, I'm I'm sitting here
and I'm thinking, to my health, what are they doing

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last night? Last night was really weird, Like I get
the there's an easy answer and uh a hard answer,
you know, to to any possible question. What do you
do with Alabama? Nothing else really had to move, and
many of these things will be kind of settled on
their own. And if Georgia wants to get into the

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college football playoff and they can, you know, Georgia wants
to get in, um, they're gonna have to They're gonna
have to win. They're gonna have to win. They're gonna
have to beat beat L s U in the SEC
championship game. That's it. That's all. That's the end of story.

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And I find it fascinating that we spent so much
time worrying about Georgia. Now we're like not paying attention
to the elephant in the room, which is Alabama. And
you guys in our go, well, they haven't even played
a game without two of that. That's actually not true.
They have played games without toa they played a second half,
you know, they scored three points after he got hurt.

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And yeah, they they beat Tennessee without him. But that
game was made, you know, made much closer because two
of was hurt. And just this idea that that mac
Jones is gonna come in and be the lead dog

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and they'll be there still the fifth ranked team in
the country. Look, I get that it will work itself out.
You know, it's you're probably saying yourself, Gottlieb, Look that
what you said about Georgia, You're right, it doesn't matter.
They're gonna play LS. They'll they'll play L s U
and if they win there in it works itself out.
Oregon in Utah, doesn't matter where you put them. Whichever

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team wins that game likely elevates themselves above that of Alabama.
And unless if Georgia wins, Georgia gets in. If not,
it's the winner of that game. Like all that stuff
seems reasonable, But wouldn't it be reasonable to move Alabama down? Right?
Like they lost their best player, they lost their starting quarterback,
and though mac Jones was highly rated, like, no one

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believes he's to it to buy a logo. I don't know.
I just I felt like every argument they made previously,
I can find a reasonable way which to say, like, okay,
but they're simply not as good a football team. They
lost their starting quarterback and the committee basically recognized them

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as the exact same football team. And that one's that's
hard to believe, you know, And and look in the past,
and maybe you want to say, hey, in the past,
they were built on their defense. You know, in the past,
they're built in their defense. Now what are they built

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on their offense? Right? This team has been built upon
their offensive. Uh, skill position players and I mean L
L s U is good. But they get forty six
points at hometel if they were down thirty to thirteen
with TWA and we would all agree that mac Jones

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is not TA doesn't mean he stinks. He doesn't have
to stink for this argument. We can just agree that
he's not going to be as good as Tah. He's
not as mobile, he's not as refined, he's not he's not.
If he was better than Tah, then guess what he
would be playing. Just like tah took over for Jalen Hurts.

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You know, the same can be said, The same exact
thing can be said for for mac Jones. But everyone
knew who Toa was. Everyone knew their was something special there.
It's not that mac Brown has been mac Jones, excuse me,
has been maligned, but there hasn't been the same way
to do wait till mac Jones gets a shot. I

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just think it'd be very reasonable to move them down
below that of Utah and then said, hey, look, if
you beat Auburn now of a sudden, we'll push you
back up. We'll take a look. But the the the
the maybe is it over respect? Is it? Um? I mean,
Alabama is deserving of an amount of respect. I think

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everybody agrees that Alabama's a hell of a football team,
that they're right there with the Organs in the Utah's
and the Georgia's and the Oklahoma's, even even with twa. Okay,
but the air went out of the balloon when he
was out, and he's lost for the season, and they
didn't look great after he got hurt against an inferior opponent,
and so what what else are we to make of it?

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NBA needs and desires. And uh, David, let's start with Lebron.

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I kind of feel like they might be the best
team in the NBA. Now. Obviously it's hard to tell
what the Clippers who haven't had Paul George and now
uh Kawhi Leonard has been been in been out of
the lineup with the knee and with the the load management.
But but what are your thoughts on the Lakers what
we've seen thus far? Well, I'm wrong all the time,
but I did write in August or something are on

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there that I thought they did the best team to
start the season, just because I think they had the
best duo we've seen in a long time, and that
makes up for a lot of adils when you have
when you have Lebron and David and I also thought,
and I think you'll probably agreed Doug that Lebron like
had to start the season with with some purpose. Right,
this isn't Cleveland, and it isn't last year. Remember everything,

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And we've written a couple of articles and threw about this.
Everything about the Lakers, uh is all about making sure
David's signs, right, that's us. They've got to make sure
he's signed, which means, what do your championship would be great,
but they've got to make sure it's a great season period.
Like I think Lebron's gonna make David's the m d P,
which is something we've written. So this is that when
you're the best player in the world like Lebron is,

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you can do You can move mountains. And he's moving mountains.
He's competing on both ends. He's making sure David gets
his He's locked me in defensively, in part because that's
something Davis has has really asked of him. And you
can see them communicating on the court. Davis Mayor come
in the states last line and looks at Lebron almost
like for forgiveness. They're they're pushing each other and yeah,

(20:44):
the other guys, I don't think our plans could wait
except for the big and I think they can get better.
I just think their opponents will get better too. Doug
Gottli show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, you said
he's the best player in the world, So when healthy,
you'd take him still ahead of Kawhi Leonard in a
game or a series. Yeah, I would. Obviously It's not

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an easy decision. I think quite incredible. But I think
Lebron is being you know, as you've been around this
game a long time, it's almost unheard up to see
someone still be one of the world's best athletes but
also be armed with as much knowledge as anyone who
has ever played in the game, to be like Jordan's
in his mental prime, also being almost in his physical

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prime and when Jordan was anywhere close to that. They
want championships too, So I don't know if Lebron to
keep this up at the therapy you wonder. Uh, they
aren't very deep by concerns about the Lakers, And again
I think there are plos to get better. But when
Lebron is playing the way he's playing now, yeah, and
any any months, he's the best player in the world
for sure. Uh. Portland's ads Karmelo Anthony, it's just his

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first game, but he struggled to make some shots. He
struggled to get some calls. They are minus twenty with
them in. He said, like, look, they called him and said,
we want you to start. Who want you to do
your thing? It's a team that you know with the
with with due to injuries, they've struggled really defends. Zack
Collins out with the shoulder, so they don't really have
a four. So I guess my question you is, do

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you think ultimately mellow in Portland's a good fit. I
do not. I did watch the game and I watched
it again all his stuff this morning. Uh, he's trying
to play bullet ball with guys that he just can't
move the way us too. He is big, He runs
guys over pretty good and then they have it a
caller or they stripped them. Uh, it's not fair to
judge his shooting. He remained two or three from three,

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which is good because it's been I think since the
fourteen fifteen season with the Knits, where he actually shot
thirty center better from three. I thought defectively, he looked
very lethargic. But and there's another issue too. He's aware
of of his brand. He's aware that the team, like
most teams unlike Houston, maybe are trying to get more

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bald movements. So he had five turnovers in part because
he wants to be that guy. But he just isn't
that guy. So I watched the G League more than
I ever before. There's probably tender five seeing guys that
can help Portland more than him. Maybe not necessarily that position,
but they can add other guys and move people around.
I don't think it will work. I've talked. I actually

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running about him this week a little bit. Uh. People
don't really like them, and like NBA players really like Carmello.
You know, he's well respected. He's a good teammate, which
may be surprising people, but that's what they're telling me.
But I just don't see it. And maybe he'll get better,
but it's got to get a lot better. This team is,
you know, underwater, and they've got to try to get
much better until we get Nursis back. And I just

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don't know. I don't think he's the answer. I don't either,
and it's just you know, end of the day, that
team is McCullum and UH and Damian Lillard and everybody
else's and there'll be nights in which I think he
can score because they you know, I'll take another thing.
I don't think he gets He doesn't either. He doesn't either.

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He looked at the referee over the time last night
like hey, I'm Carmelo Anthony and they don't care. Uh yeah,
so he's relying. He he made a couple of shots,
couple of drives that night, and I know he was
relying on the call. And you just don't get that.
By the way, it's it's hard to be out for
a long time. I get that, but they don't have
a lot of time to recover. And then he's been

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horrendous defensively in Oklahoma City, absolutely well, not astutely horrendous,
very bad on a top ten defensive team, he was
very bad. And I just think he's probably much worse now.
And I just don't think Poland has any time to
I mean, maybe a week, maybe ten days. But after that, I,
like I said, the G Leave's got there's some twenty
five players in the G League, got ter NBA players

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that can think the game, can really shoot, can really
move a totally professionals. They just need a break. And
in Poland, smart don't take advantage of one of those
guys and we won't. Maybe Colot looking coach, which would
be great because here a little has got some talent.
He could use someone like Nolan to coaching. But I
don't think as a as a player ever make sense. Um.
There was talk of the Knicks making a change very
early in the season. I'm not sure what they're experted.

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Julius Rando obviously played great in his last game, finally
kind of woke up a little bit. But how much
of their early season struggles is Fisdale to blame for?
It's so hard. Uh. It may be a good amount,
but I just always believe it starts with the franchise. Uh.
You know, the teams are like iceberg. Most of the
iceberg is below ground. We don't really know when we

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know about the ownership in terms of the reputation that
behind the scenes in ownership and management, we don't know.
I had Kevin Nason is from my area. I saw
him since he was sixteen. He should be a very
good second year player moving into stardom. I know a
lot about the kid. R J. Barrett obviously has got
a lot of talent. Mckillo teen I talked to a
lot of Europeans. You knew him well that when he

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got drafted and the next year. He's a talented player,
especially the set to the end and uh and and
certainly in the In the case of the two guys
that have been early a year, they're getting worse. I
don't I don't think they know what they're doing. I
think it's the thinking ship as it has for quite
a while. And I don't know if any coach could
save them. They're just a mess, and they've been a
mess for a long time. Now Celtics are taken on

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the Clippers tonight. Um Look, Tatum and Brown have suddenly become,
at least on on some people's radar as stars stars
in this league, whereas last year maybe a little bit
of letdown. Um you add in Kemba, who uh you
know this is These are the best weapons he's ever
had around, and he's I don't think anybody thinks he's
as good as Kyrie, but maybe you better fit, especially emotionally,

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for this team. What's the state of the Celtics now
that we're this far in the season. Well, you framed
it pretty good. Collectively, they're doing really well. I wrote
about them I think about ten days ago, as I
do not check this week yet, and as it ten
days ago, all this is amazing. All five of those
starters were on career years for points per game, except

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for Kemba, who was like a bucket short. Everyone is
playing better. In some cases you to expected. In other
cases you don't really know. Jalen Brown, we didn't know
which way he turned it. Sure I happened to. I
take them as a top ten breakout guy because I
thought we'd see Jaylen Brown. We saw a little bit
this summer with the Team USA, and I just think
Kemba is you know, he's the king of getting rid

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of drama and building culture. That's really Brad's m o. Uh,
he's a great culture builder. Stevens and and they've got that.
They've got some holes. I'm worried about them defensively inside
against the better teams, as is probably everybody. But offensively
they're really cooking. Uh they're they're playing the right way.
And Tatum and Brown still can get much better. Uh yeah,

(27:38):
they both. I mean both those guys have a chance
to be All League players defensively, forget about offense, right,
and they're both twenty point per game guys. Offensively, they
can be All League defensive players. There's no reason why
they can't be Or League borderline, and that makes up
for chemist divisionally a little bit. On that end, Brad
has always been able to scheme up what they do defensively. Today,
I think they have a chance to be a team
dug minus the trade that maybe isn't better on paper

(28:02):
than Milwaukee affiliate and maybe even thrown them. But you're
gonna have to play really well and be healthy to
beat them. They're gonna be a tough out. I would
be like to say it's as the old Pacers that
took Lebron's team said to a good series, they won't
easy to be. You gotta play well, and they're gonna
four teams to play well to beat him. All right,
let's let's talk about those Milwaukee Bucks, better or worse
than lest year. I think they're worse now with upside.

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Uh but I really looked at Janice more than anything
I thought last year. Not being able to make threes
at least some degree of frequency and efficiency was gonna
be problematic in the playoffs because you can guard them
with like the fixtures garden with mbid you can guard
them with fides uh and just hang back. And that
doesn't that doesn't just of course a sect Johannice driving,

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but affect the other four dudes who want to drive
it as a gigantic seven foot of guy in the lane.
And and as you know, and the pixtures are very big,
so they can have different guys lay off with him.
I've always believed he's got to keep shooting and missing
shooting in miss thing. That's why he finally kind of
figured it out the way Phil Jackson many years ago
did what Trevor reasons when they when they want with Kobe,

(29:07):
I think was the Orlandos here. He's Trevor miss shots
all year but got but made him went counted late.
You gotta went down to do that. He's so remarkable.
We don't think about it much because hard to play
all out of his mind. But I think they're so
a chance to get much much better, as we see
with Malcolm Broden too. They lost a pretty good player
that I was gonna play a lot last year, but
he played some and he's not there at all now,

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and that that's a loss. That's the voice of of
of one of the guys that respect the most in
the business. Of course, he's David David Thorpe from True Hoop.
He joins us here in the Doug gotlif Show on Fox.
Sport Trading can follow True Hoop on social media of course.
Online's great resource for anything you want. NBA wise, Um,
what about Kyrie. You know they were the huge numbers early.

(29:50):
Now there's a shoulder. I don't know if it really
is a shoulder or if it's load management, and just
load management has become a bad word. Um, but this
was a team that every one loved to watch last year. Granted,
you know, D'Angelo got a chance more picking roles than
anybody else in the league. But it was the culture thing.
Is their culture as good with Kyrie, it doesn't see

(30:12):
it's the team to be and and it's not all
Kyrie's fault because the organization decided it didn't blow it up.
I like how you framed it. Uh yeah, the as
we ran along picking rolls last year. But yet they
were really fun to watch and the players love being there.
I think the team, and I've written this and I
said this on every show I've been on, I think
the man a big mistake. If it worked out great

(30:33):
with Kyrie and Durant, then fine, but that the chance
for reward to me totally on way the risks that
you took when you're another comming team that maybe go
get one guy, but blowing it up to get to
knowing Durants out for your knowing Tyree did I mean
last year, if you remember, the Celtics were very good
when Tyree was out of the game. And yes, he's
better than Keimba, but we see what's happening in Boston now.

(30:55):
They had a very good record when he was out
last year that at some point it's not just you know,
small samples my theater, right, it's okay, there's an issue here,
and I think there is. And I watched them play
recently and Joe Harris looked out of sorts to me,
and I've never seen him look out of sorts. I've
been a fan of hit since he came out of Virginia.
Thought it was the first round talent. I just did

(31:16):
like with the way they were clicking. And again, you
don't know if it's because of how car Tyrie stamps
up behind the scenes or the question. And I know,
you know players officas oft the players all the time
when they have doubts about their place, when they have
doubts about what's their identity, that shows up in wins
and losses. And I think that's what we're seeing now. Um,

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last thing, we've seen Luca put up some huge, huge numbers.
We've seen Trey Young put up some huge, huge numbers.
Which one of those two is more likely to have
a kind of lasting, winning impact in the NBA. The
easier choice would be Luca. It's just really hard when
you're almost to me dominiative, which is which is the

(31:59):
kid to trade? I'm gonna get my son upset because
that's his favorite player. Uh As almost everyone degeneration sure
young of his age anyway, the seam. But um, I
won't say that trade can't be a better player. I
think a lot has to do with franchise. Uh, Dallas
is an excellent franchise, without questions. I've never had a
player play there that has complained. In fact, they've always

(32:22):
said just the opposite, amazing city to play in, treated
great franchise, just a plus across the board. Uh, I
don't know what Atlanta is. The John Collins issue with
the suspension is a problem. They looked like a pretty
kind of like a sexy team. Uh, coming up right
in the next couple of years if they know what
they're doing there and they solve those problems and maybe

(32:43):
cam Letters developed more and tration teams to get better
at the expect I think he has a chance to
be an incredible player, but it's the easier gamble of
the Luca because I mean I watched him playing a
whole at night role year in the year League and
the A C B Overseas and I was just sounded
he is, he says not. I grew up with Evan Smith.
I was just graduating college and Evans played to Florida

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and he was as natural attalant I've ever seen on
the football field. He just figures out out. I feel
like Luke is that way in basketball. You don't know
how he does it, but he's just so naturally talented.
I called those guys like Mozart, they just they just
get it. It just is in their B n A.
And he's worth watching anywhere nobout how you like to play,
watch him play because he was shocked you at least

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once the game. David Thorpe NBA analysts find his work
at true hoop dot com, follow him on Twitter or
him on Twitter at coach Thorpe. David, thanks so much
to join us, man. I love your perspective. Take care of.
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get you update on stories, things that are going on.
And what we do is we play a game. Okay,
this is game time. Side on the Doug Gottlieb Show,

(34:10):
Steve to Seger, what's the game today? We have John Romos,
what's the game today? Real news? Fake news? Okay, I'll
give you an item. You tell me if it's real
or fake. Item number one. Astro's owner Jim Crane addressed
the media today at the owners meetings in Arlington, Texas,
and said, we believe in playing the game the right
way and we are working with the league office to
address these claims. Talking about the cheating, is that real?

(34:32):
News or fake news that sounds like real news. You
are fake news actually said, if you want to talk
about baseball, I'll talk about baseball. What else you want
to talk about? Any other issues? And two police officers
stationed in the lobby working in security as criddin boy
as if this topic doesn't involve baseball, you know, it's
it's interesting. I've kind of evolved on this thing. I

(34:55):
think you gotta consider taking away the World Series from
them if they had, if they really had electric users, Like,
that's hardcore cheating, you know, because the difference with the
steroids thing is, Look, the steroids helped you hit a baseball,
helped you hit a baseball, further, helped you hit train
more often. The the the only thing is and by

(35:17):
the way, most people it's a misconception steroids were illegal.
They just weren't tested for, right. Most people like, oh
they were legal. No, no, no, it was like we're
not testing for it was like the auto bonn right
or were you know they it has to be collectively bargained, right, Um,
this was on. This is on the books as illegal,
absolutely on the books as illegal, and it absolutely helps

(35:39):
you perform better. No one would argue that if you
know fastball or your or off speed pitch. I if
I think you gotta consider it, I don't know if
you you do it? You know. So oftentimes we talk
about this with the n C A like, oh, they're
going back and they're taking away a banner because they
might have had an ineligible player, Like all right, but
if the entire team was able to use elector electronically

(36:03):
gather information and put into play when it was illegal,
I don't know. I'm where are you on it? Or
make you Darvish start their World Series games item number two.
According to Vegas Odds, we are expecting to get a
rematch of Super Bowl forty seven, with the favorites now
in the a f C being the Ravens, favorites in
the NFC being the forty Niners. Is that real news

(36:24):
or fake news? Yeah? Westgates Super Book updated their odds.
They currently projected New England Patriots six to five favorites
to win the a f C and the New Orleans
Saints seven to five favorites to win the NFC. The Rams,
by the way, it opened as co favorites late January.
Their odds have climbed to twenty five to one. Wow,
that's crazy. Also interesting the Ravens who beat the Patriots

(36:46):
or not considered super both favorites. It's what you know
when you're gonna have to go through Foxboro in two
second time you see Lamark Jackson. There are a lot
of thoughts that Bill Belichick didn't mind losing that game.
But there's some other flaws here with the Patriots, and
we'll see they haven't late a strong schedule. We don't
know how good they truly are. Um, the Saints are interesting,
Like I don't consider the Saints to be in the favorite,

(37:07):
but apparently Vegas things they know more as I recalled
a Charger saw Lamar Jackson twice late last year, and yeah,
they did nothing on offense the Ravens in that playoff
game at home. Now, look, he's had a he'll have
a complete year to have developed. He's gotten better. They
put a better, they got they they're completely committed to this,
this this uh game plan, um to their scheme. But yeah,

(37:30):
i'd be fastinated to see second time around against Bill Belichick.
Saints thing is actually just as if not more questionable.
There's a bunch of teams in the NFC and the
Saints would not be the team that I would pick.
Didn't They just get housed by the Falcons at home
weeks Saints seven to five, raven seven to four. By
the way, item next third, the Buccaneers are still trying
to get quarterback Jamis Winston to stop turning. Hopefully he

(37:54):
learns to quote cut your losses, get rid of the ball,
and punt it. Quote Is that real news or fake news?
From the Bucks? Um sounds like real news. They're real
and they're spectacular. His quarterbacks coach Clyde Christiansen used to
coach the Colts. He said, we struggled with it with
Andrew Luck a lot. When to give up on a play,

(38:16):
when to cut your losses? Andrew like's a perfect example.
You know Andrew Luck, Deshaun Watson. These guys have had trouble.
They want to make a play. Um. I don't think
that the Buccaneers are is down on Jamis as America
or at least media America is. I think they think
he's close, and I'm not sure they're wrong. Um, and

(38:38):
and he looks he's a high turnover guy that you're
gonna But I think arians Arians was very Uh, he
was effused in his praise of Byron Leftwich, who's his
new offensive coordinator, has gotten the whole year last year.
Remember he came in with Arizona midyear. I'm not so
sure that they're bailing on Jamis as quickly as other
people think they are and as far as wanting to
make a play. Our final item, Greg Popovich thinks today's

(39:02):
NBA players are trying to too hard to be flashy
and create highlights due to social media, real or fake.
Real news are fake. It was Rick Carlisle, but he
believes the same, and he's worried for Luka don Stitch
in that regard. This is game time on The Doug
Gottlieb Show. It's interesting he's worried for Luka done. I

(39:24):
feel like Don Chequez is like fundamentally incredibly sound that
he doesn't do that so that but uh yeah, maybe
it's the passing the flamboyance. It's a every league has
that problem. It's time for America's team to step up
and live their expectations. I'll tell you why next. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
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(39:48):
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you like you'd treat you. Cowboys Patriots. This weekend should

(40:08):
be fun, good game. We got a good slate again
of pro games this weekend. You obviously, um, you know
you're you're waiting for for various games. I thought last
weekend the schedule wasn't great. Uh this weekend, I think
you could say early games not nothing special. But the
best early game I think is Seattle Philadelphia. The two

(40:28):
late games are unbelievable. Foxes game is Dallas, New England, um,
and then the super late game is Green Bay, San Francisco.
Like those are three marquee marquee matchups. Outside of that,
it's it's a lot of Man Man. Thursday night's good too,
Indy Houston that should be good. And then Ram's Ravens.
So the standalone or prime games. The game of the

(40:49):
NFL is Game of the week on Fox New England.
Dallas is good New England obviously nine and one Dallas
six and four did this Jason Witten, who It's funny
because everybody likes Jason Witten. I didn't think it was
a great broadcaster, but like he has a dude, he's
a gem, And I don't think he was bad as

(41:10):
a broadcaster. I just think, like you go to being
the guy on Monday night football from being a tight end.
That's really hard transition. But now, because of his year
in the media, I think some of the things he
says resonate a little bit more. He's always been smart
and said interesting things. Here's one. There are defining games
that happen. You look at last season and you beat

(41:33):
a good New Orleans team. This is one of those games.
There's still a lot of games out there, so I
don't think it's make your break. But at the same time,
to be able to go on the road and play
against Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and their team there
nine and one like they are, it's a great opportunity
for us. It is, and and looking at it as
an opportunity is is the perfect way to look at

(41:54):
it too. It's the perfect lens to to check on
it and to evaluate it. This is a you want
to call it a Cologne game, right, a primetime game.
This is it's it's what we said about Kirk Cousins, right, like, look, Kirk,
we we know what you're able to do in those
other games. What are you doing when everybody's watching? And

(42:17):
for the Cowboys a team that hasn't beaten, a team
that be in the playoffs so far this year. Jerry Jones,
whether you say it's frustrations or his expectations not being met,
whatever ever, you want to contextualize it. Every want to
contextualize it. He's paying a running back more than anyone

(42:38):
else's paying their running back really in the league, outside
of maybe Todd Gurley, although you know there's some the
numbers are about the same. He's got a quarterback that
wants more money than anybody else's making. He wants as
a wide receiver that wants elite level. It's like, look,
I don't pay you to beat the bad teams. I
pay you to beat the good teams. And I think
a reasonable guy. And Jerry Jones, as much as he

(43:00):
wants to win, and he's a football guy, he's also
I think a reasonably You're not gonna win every game,
but you want to win this game. You know this
is you were America's team. You're still America's team in
terms of an amount of people that are watching. But
what the Patriots are doing in terms of sustain success

(43:20):
is what everybody's dream of being is, and that's what
the Cowboys dream of. You think you're a super Bowl team.
You're as healthy as you've been all season. You're coming
off a game which was not an easy win, but
a very winnable game. Like, it's not like you've gone
through a murderer's row of beating up, beating up, beating up.

(43:42):
Don't tell me you're pregnant, show me the baby, right,
that's what what it's a reasonable expectation to think you're
gonna raise your level for this game because it does,
in fact matter that much. You know, there's just games
in your schedule, Saints, Packer, Vikings, Patriots. This the expectation

(44:05):
wasn't to win all of them, but one of them
or two of them, right, Like, you just win the
divisional games, you're going to the playoffs. You now, you
win five out of six divisional games this year, you
goin six, but five out of six divisional games, and
you can you can go to the playoffs. Six out
of six, you're going, and it's it's right there for

(44:28):
them because they beat the hell out of the Eagles,
and the Giant stink and the Redskins stink. And okay,
so you win sex as six, you're you're going combined
with Detroit. They lost to the Jets, all right, you're
totally banged up, and they surprised you. You don't have
to win every one of these games, but you gotta
win one of them, and you like to win two
of them. And seeing as they couldn't beat the Packers

(44:49):
and they couldn't beat the Saints and they, you know,
can you beat the Patriots on the road in November?
When the Patriots themselves know we're not really right right now,
We're not really as talented right now. And I think
if you lined up guys, you would take the Cowboys
guys ahead of made many of the Patriots guys both
sides of the ball. So I when when Witten says

(45:13):
that he's not expressing frustration, he's expressing expectation. Hey, it's
not a it's not a must win, but it's a boy,
I kinda need to win one of these, don't we?
How can we go into the playoffs and not have
beaten any of the playoff teams. It's not like, you know,
when the Carolina Panthers went to the Super Bowl a

(45:34):
couple of years ago, Cam Newton is m VP. They
only played one playoff team that season, only played one.
So some of it is that they're not getting um
you know, they're not getting the That team didn't get
the opportunities. And look, when you play against the better teams,
you're gonna lose some of those games, but you gotta

(45:54):
win one of them. And no time like now. And
when you hear Jerry Jones talking about Zeke needed to
get the ball more, and you know they're talking about coaching,
like what better litmus test for your coaching, your new
play caller, your quarterback, you're running back, your line, your

(46:15):
wide receivers, your defense. Then the Patriots in November on
the road. But the Patriots, though their record would tell
you they're not vulnerable. I think everybody knows they're vulnerable. Everybody.
Um So I don't know. I just I don't know

(46:40):
what to make of the Cowboys other than they're kind
of living down to my reasonable expectations. And you know,
Witten's never getna being called out. But he's not the
guy he was. I mean, there was a reason he retired,
was easy to kind of retire, and I think people
thought he'd come back and be he was for early stage,
refreshed Jason, but now he looks like an old man.

(47:03):
But I think it's reasonable to have those expectations that
that the that the that the Cowboys win one of
these games totally reasonable. And I also think it's it's
reasonable for Jerry Jones to get upset if they don't
win and if they're not competitive, if they get run

(47:25):
off the field, that's a bad sign for the future.
Do you have a quarterback who wants to be compensated
at the level of elite quarterbacks. You gotta show me
you can lead a team on the road against the
talent and the scheming of Bill Belichick. You already paid
the cot, you already paid the running back. You can't
take back that contract. You're gonna have to pay the
wide receiver at some point. With the quarterback and the coach,

(47:49):
this becomes about them. It comes about them. And they
failed against Minnesota, and they failed against the Saints, and
they failed against Packers earlier this year. So wow, we
got look at the show, we got up coming. Um
got some college hoops thoughts for you? I got some
you know what, I we'll we'll do um. And by

(48:10):
the way, like I know that the easy that the
easy analysis is the Cowboys need to step up. I
usually I hate that term stepping up, but I kind
of think it works in this particular argument, like like
are there music and maybe this is a question for you.

(48:30):
Are there other cliche? There's like cliches that I don't like,
like you need to step up, that's a cliche, But
in this case, I like that cliche because this is
a higher level of competition than the ones in which
they've been dominating. So normally I don't like the you
gotta step up and we gotta stop up. You know
what that guy do is you gotta stop up, because

(48:51):
that's not really telling me anything. But in the NFL,
there's different levels of teams. There's the teams that are terrible,
right Dolphins who they play aid Bengals right now, or
the worst team in the league. You know, Um, obviously
the Jets before they had Donald back, even with the
Jets with Donald back, are not great. Like there's those
are the teams that you've got to dominate. You just

(49:12):
try and not get hurt and win the game. Then
there's the average teams average and blow average. That's like
the Detroits and the like Washington's terrible Giants are terrible resting.
Those are the teams are down, and then there's the
ones in the middle, and then there's the elite teams.
So it is it is technically, I think stepping up
is there is there a cliche you hate. But sometimes,
like I guess I would, I usually fall back on

(49:33):
must win games. You've always pointed out, well, must win
games are usually the ones where our elimination games, because
you have to win otherwise you're done. But I do
think there are certain situations when you look at teams
the way their schedule lays out, where it may or
may not be the type of game where they have
to win or they're finished, but it's certainly aligns itself

(49:54):
in a you need to win this game in order
to keep yourself in contention type of game. And I
know you're not always a fan of must win games.
I am not a fan of must win games. I'm
not a fan, not even a little bit of a fan.
Of must win games. Um, but I do understand them.
We want I'm not a fan of as. I'm not
a fan. I like, I think an elimination games elimination game.

(50:16):
I think a must win game is different than elimination game.
And ah but I I but just because you lose
a mustwin game doesn't mean your seasons over. It just
means it feels like it's over. Him maybe talking myself
in circles there. All right, here's what we're gonna do.
We've got Daniel Jeremiah upcoming at twenty five or so
after the hour. We've got Peter King next hour. I

(50:37):
have some thoughts on the Clippers to share with you.
I got some Lebron thoughts to share for you. Um
wait to year with Joe Claud had to say on
L S U S flaws but caught up. Next, Carlo
Anthony played his first game as a Portland's Trailblazer. I
think he learned the hardest lesson that you're going to
learn as a former star player. Tell you what that

(50:58):
is up coming next. Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific. So we watched a Karma
Anthony play last night. You guys watched the game at all?
To say? Or did you watch the game? Do you
watch Mellow play at all last night? Um? What about
your music? Did you catch him at all? I did?

(51:19):
I wasn't fully invested in the game. I kind of
had it on in the background and was doing some
other stuff, but I watched parts of it. What else
are you doing? Oh? I was cooking dinner. I was
hanging up with your fiance last night. I made up
meat sauce, pasta with meat sauce. Yep. Now you're still
living in sin in your in law's house, right, correct?

(51:40):
So like when you're cooking, do you cook for all
them too? Or just I did? Yeah, well you are.
Do you need to earn a couple of points or no? No?
This is he to see who he is? That's right,
payings doing the rent free stuff? You know, it's correct.
I mean we don't actually pay here. He just keeps
showing up. Yeah. I tried to get him five months ago.
They're like, dude, he doesn't make enough money to fire him.

(52:00):
It's like you, actually, we'd actually lose money if we
fired him. So um, yeah, So you made, you made possible?
What kind of possible? What? What? What is? What was
the noodle? Linguini? Linguini? Did you make your own linguini?
I did not? Okay, did you cut the garlic with
the with the razor blade like they do like fellas?
I did cut the garlic. Actually technically I pressed the garlic.

(52:22):
Did not use a razor blade. No, I used to
say knife a kitchen knife. Okay, so you did and
you did the you did the did you flatten it
out right? Did you? Like you've been watching cooking shows,
that's what you've been doing. Huh. I might have to
get your garlic right down garlic press for the candlesticks
right from Bulderham candlesticks, and a garlic press would be

(52:42):
nice for for the for a holy matrimony. All right.
So I was watching and I've noticed this about guys
who replace star coaches, like I don't know if you
guys know how this works in college basketball, but in
college basketball you have officials and you have they have
their conference, the guy who runs like each conference, there's

(53:04):
an official who like overseas and schedules every conference as
well as the conference commissioners. And after a big game.
These big game head coaches will call in bitch and
moan about an official that they don't like. Don't let
this guy in my game. He's not any good and
it it hurts them. It hurts them. So one of
the hard parts about officiating big time college basketball games

(53:25):
is twofold one. You know, like you got Mikesachevsky over
the other sideline. It's not that they like Duke or
want to help Duke, but if you screw something up
and coach K picks up the phone and calls, he's like,
he's been the coach at Team USA. He's a Hall
of Fame coach. He's a legend. And if he says
he doesn't like you, you feel like you're like I'm

(53:45):
dead to him. No coming back from it. So the
guys who replace these coaches um a lot of times.
They're used to getting calls that they don't get. Like,
wait a second, Duke whoever replaces Mikeschewsky do is not
going to get the same calls that he gets because
he's not going to carry the same weight the same
level of respect. Makes sense, I like Roy Williams doesn't

(54:10):
doesn't curse, We'll not curse at you. Hey, but if
Roy Williams says like that guy should not be officiating
big time basketball games, you're not gonna officiate big time.
But you know what, because he's Roy freaking Williams, one
multiple NAST championships, won of his games. And if he
doesn't trust you, then then the conference officiating commissioner who
was not gonna try and not put you on those games.

(54:30):
It's a hard deal. And again I name those two guys,
they're not the only ones. You know self and Beyheim
and is Zoh and you know, you name it. The
big time coaches, they have wait and they throw it
around at the right moments and they want to get
the best on their games. I watched, I did watch

(54:53):
Mello play, and then I went back and watched on Synergy.
Is is all the shots that he took. And one
of the things he's not good on defense. He hasn't
been on good He's never really been a good defender.
And now I don't think his body would allow him
to be a good offender. And it's hard to bring
that energy when you didn't have training camp, you didn't
have preseason games. It's not your first game. Um, But

(55:16):
I think and this is important. I think one of
the big things he's gonna have to adjust to is
he cain't getting calls anymore. I think listens, when you're
a superstar, get you drive in there, you throw the
ball up, Ah, they just give you a call. That's
generally how it works. It's always worked. But the other

(55:42):
side to it is really really interesting. Um, when you
stopped getting calls, right, it's one thing you're not gonna
get the volume of shots. Although again this is right
now one game in. He's kind of playing the role
he did in Oklahoma City. I'm not the go to guy,
but because they pay attention to the go to guys,
I'm gonna get shots. Um, which the lack of training camp.

(56:06):
I don't care how much how many videos you have
of him doing Hoodie mellow and working out. You play
a real NBA game, it is super taxing on your
body and and the next day, the next couple of games,
you're not gonna have legs because you went from zero
to a hundred. But the biggest thing that he's learning
is what coaches who replaced star coaches learned. Suddenly you

(56:28):
don't get calls and for mellow, you know, like look
if you're not hitting your jump shot. You've always been
able to post up or go in there and get
a foul. Catch your breath knocked down, two free throws,
see the ball go through the hoop. You take that
away from a star and he he didn't know what
doing himself. It's a really hard adjustment to make where
you drive in and for fifteen years that's been called

(56:50):
a foul. Now they're like, what are you looking at
me for? Get back and play defense. Fox Sports Radio
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(57:13):
to that particular game, the Philip Rivers discussion, the Kansas
City discussion. The field appeared to be better, but there
were some big divots there. Altitude really affected the game.
I thought both teams were just huffing and puffing charges
only four wide receivers. I think that obviously heard them. Um,
but what now that you've experienced a game in Mexico City, Uh,

(57:33):
do you think it's a good idea to keep going
down there and playing games a lot to unpack their doug.
First of all, Jimmy Johnson and I played in the
same little league, both from alcohol and went to high
school five minutes from where I did. So, Um, that
was good news there at him with him Uh, not
saying he's not going to race anymore, you know, California,
That's all we do is produced championship NASCAR drivers. What

(57:53):
we're known for. Um on the on the field stuff.
I mean, look, I've I've seen a fields. It was bad.
It wasn't you know all time bad. Um, it was
coming up a little bit. They got it. Uh, they
got it. They got used to it, I would say
in the second half, and they were really working on
trying to replace their divots and so it was playable. Uh.
The energy was outstanding in the stadium. Uh, it was packed.

(58:16):
There was a ton of Charger fans there and it
was it was a fun environment. I don't know. I
guess I think they're up their contract with the Mexico City.
I believe it's up. Um, so I know the international
things is going to continue. I don't know if Mexico
City will be will be in that rotation, But overall,
I thought it was a good experience. How much it
dot factor in the game, I would say it played
a factor of the point that the Chiefs because the

(58:39):
Chargers had the ball um at the end of the
game for a good bit that the Chiefs were completely gassed.
That's why the decision. I guess the Chargers came out
and said they would have gone for two to try
and end it, but I'm not so sure. Um, you know,
maybe you're try and take that thing into overtime because
I think that they were I mean, god, they were.
They were totally gassed, so the Charges were tired. I

(59:01):
thought the Chiefs look a little more tired at the
end of the ball game. So yeah, it was. It
was definitely a factor, which is why I don't understand
why they went like, maybe this sounds crazy twenty five
seconds ago, wouldn't you run it at least once? You know,
I mean, I I don't like, I don't get Phillips
decision making. And it's been bad. It was bad against
the Raiders, but also like, uh, you know, you have

(59:23):
Hunter Henry, you got all these intermediate one you can
either throw it in the middle or run or run
it once. I mean, the Chiefs were completely out of gas.
The idea that they would have been able to tackle, uh,
seems far fetched. I would have handed the ball to
Melvin Gordon and see if you know, if he can
get your close, spike it and then you know, do
it again. I'm just trying to Is that a crazy thought? No?

(59:44):
I mean I think you could have. You had to
get right back up on the football. But the the
other option which I thought we might see was I
remember the end of that Tennessee game they hit ear
on that little angle route and the one that they
thought they scored on. You know, you don't have to
throw it into the end zone with with with the
two backs you have, you can check it down and
they're they're very capable of running by or making a
miss just put in their hands. But um man, it was.

(01:00:06):
It was a heck of a drive at that point
in time, just to you know, ended. You can't underthrow
a wheel route. That's just it's never gonna It's never
end positively. When that happens, that's got to be over
the outside shoulder, it's at a bounce, or it's it's
it's caught. You can't underthrow it. He's made a habit
of under throwing balls. Is it is this an age
thing that he can't recover from. Well, you know, look

(01:00:26):
at the term wars are what they are. I mean,
the numbers are are large, and you know Canny turned
around in the same game he threw for what three
fifty something yards, So there's plenty of good there. It's
it's not you know, can you produce the good? It's
can you eliminate the bad? And that's just the spell
that he's in right now. So, Um, you know, I'm
not ready to say that, you know, it's something he
can't come out of because I've seen him play really well.

(01:00:47):
He's just got to find a way to eliminate those
two or three decisions every game. What do you think
they do the off season? That's gonna be a that's
gonna be a really interesting, uh decision, you know, with
all the different factors, you know, going into a new
stadium where this team is positioned to win right now,
you figure you get healthy, Um, does that change things?
You've got to you know, Tom Palusco has got to

(01:01:08):
sort all that information out. Um. With the other thing
that's kind of in the background, Doug is. When you
look around the league right now, um, it's you're not
finding you know, stationary pocket passing teams having a lot
of success offensively around even like Breeze. The Staints don't
look quite right, Tom Brady, they don't look quite right. Um.

(01:01:28):
You know guys that can not only just not talking
quarterback design run stuff, but guys that can get themselves
out of trouble. Like Maholmes. In that game, he had
three third down conversions where he picked up twenty yards
each on the ground. Those are big plays in the
game where he didn't really have as much of an
impact throwing the football. It's just the way the game
is right now. You have to make the decision, can
you you know, can you play this um this style

(01:01:48):
and uh and be successful. It's that's interesting decision for
them to make. I'm glad I don't have to make it. Yeah,
I'm I'm I'm with you. I'm with you. What about
the Chiefs? They you know, they had to leave, but
because they can't run the But I know some of
it's Andy Reid, but some of it is they haven't
run the football well since they lost Kareem Hunt Um
and then you know, you you put your defense in
a really precarious situation where it's on the field for

(01:02:10):
a long time. It's not a great defense. You know,
they got some dogs on that on that defensive side
of the ball. I guess I'm wondering your thoughts on
the Chiefs. Haven't seen them up close and personal. Now,
they got the turnovers, you don't take that away from him.
But I mean, I thought the Chargers moved it easily
up and down the field. I mean, they had three
yards in the first half. Um. And I get the
sense just when you talk to people around the league

(01:02:32):
and when you watch the tape of them playing against
physical teams. And I'm not saying the Chargers are the
most physical team, but when you watch, uh, you know,
when you watch the Colts push them around a little bit. Um.
Even though the Ravens lost to them, I think that's
a difficult matchup for them in the postseason because they'll
push them around. The Patriots they get, they get Isaiah
went back. They're going to get back to playing power football. Um.

(01:02:54):
The the sentiment around the league is the Chiefs. It's
a lot of flash, but when it comes down to
it and you want to, you know, kind of punch
them in the mouth. They you don't feel like you
can do that to them and they won't respond well.
So that's that's the feeling. That's just not my opinion.
That's that's the opinion of a lot of people around
the league. Let's get to the Ravens. You saw the
Chargers adjustments they made from first time they saw him

(01:03:15):
the second time they saw him last year. But this
year they're fully committed to this style. They've added some
key pieces to this style, and Lamar Jackson has gotten better,
and I think the defense since acquiring Marcus Peters has
has become much better. Um. But I do think that
we're a little bit prisoners of the moment, right Like
we're forgetting the fact they were bad against Kansas City.

(01:03:35):
They were He was not good against Cincinnati the first time,
and Cincinnati is not good, and he wasn't good against Pittsburgh.
You know, he's been a little bit more up and
down than I guess. My question is the sustainability of
what Baltimore is doing. Do you believe in it? Well?
I think that you have made a couple of good
points here. First of all, they've committed to it. I thought,

(01:03:56):
adding speed while the numbers aren't gonna blow you away,
you know, because they're still do you feature the tight ends.
But Mark's Brown being healthy and making you defend vertically
down the field is a big addition to this offense. UM.
I think mark Ingram was the perfect back. He's better
than what they had last year. UM to run in
this system. And then defensively, you're right there. They're playing

(01:04:17):
much better. And it's not just Marcus Peters thinking Jimmy
Smith getting them healthy. Um. The coverage has helped their
pass rush. So all these things together, is it sustainable? Yes,
I think it's gonna get more difficult when you get
in the postseason. And I'm I'm I'm really curious to
see what happens if the Patriots faced them again, because
I felt like the Chargers on accident kind of stumbled

(01:04:38):
into the formula which was had no linebackers, put as
much speed on the field as you can and then
stop worrying about trying to stack blocks and playoff blocks
and just penetrate, attack and penetrate, and you have as
much speed on the field to try and take away
Lamar Jackson as a runner. And we just haven't really
seen teams do that, so um, I'm anxious to see

(01:04:58):
what the Patriots do in a rematch. I'm fascinated by
no one's hit him when he runs the option, just
you know, the kind of old school It's what they
did to Russell Wilson early in his career, where you
want to run zone read, fine, we're gonna hit the
quarterback every time because we're allowed to. No one's teed
off on him and just said, hey, we're gonna maul
the quarterback, even if that means, you know, we give
up a couple of extra yards on the pitch. There's

(01:05:20):
a disagreement amongst uh, you know, coaches on how you
play the zone read. Uh. There's folks and the brand.
Alabama has done this the way they've played it. They
like to slow play it and they sit and hang
and slow play it. And then there's other teams that
just attack the mesh point, which is what I believe
and I think it's the right way to do it.
You force a quick decision, and you attacked the mesh point,

(01:05:41):
You're gonna hit the quarterback every single time. I talked
to an offensive line coach in the league who had
a mobile quarterback, not to the level of Lamar Jackson,
but somebody they would sprinkle this stuff in, and he
said it was like clockwork. And we run his own
rate a couple of times a game. But the first
time we run it and he hands it off and
they hit him, our offensive coordinator gets on the headset goes,
that's it. We're done with that, so stop stop recommending

(01:06:03):
that for the rest of the day. And they don't
do that. So it's it's bizarre to me because that
seems to me the way that you have to, uh
have the approach trying to slow this thing down. If
mark you know, mark Ingram runs for a hundred eighty yards,
then you live with it. But you're not gonna let
Lamar Jackson get loose like that. What do you think
Jamis has continues to turn the ball over to crazy rate.
Obviously the O. J. Howard one wasn't his fault, but
the other ones, you're like, yeah, um, you know, like, look,

(01:06:26):
they got the same problem. The Chargers have the only differences.
He's much younger, he does have a ton of armtown,
he does make plays, but gosh, he makes a bunch
of mistakes. What do you think Tampa does their quarterback
situation the offseason, Well, everything still seems to be that
they're you know from coach Arian's comments, you know Jason
White haven't selected him. They still believe in Jamis Winston. Doug.

(01:06:47):
I you know, when I look at quarterbacks and I
try and boil it all down to what are the
three things that that are most important? And I would say,
you know, accuracy, decision making, and poise and Jamis Winston
decision making wise, it's just not been a not been
a winning quarterback from that standpoint, and he saw some
in college and you're seeing a lot here in the NFL.
It's just hard. It's hard to string wins together consistently

(01:07:09):
when you're not making good decisions at that position. I
think you see that around the league on a yearly basis.
And I don't know, I feel like we've seen enough
there to know that I don't know that it's gig better.
Um so I would definitely be shopping and uh, you know,
we'll see what they do. I have a feeling they're
probably gonna continue to roll with him here. But man,
I've I've seen an awful lot of the same thing

(01:07:30):
for a long time. All right, you've been a scout
obviously with the Baltimore Ravens. We see you on the
dais with the NFL Network during the NFL Draft. Give
me your best guests on what happens with two of
Viola because because the you know, he could still go
very high. Obviously they got to see the medicals and
how the hip heals and exactly what went wrong inside there.
But he could also come back for a year and

(01:07:51):
prove that he's fully healthy. Like, there's a bunch of
options still that are out there. What's your best guests
on how the two thing goes. My guess is that
he will probably come out UM, And I'll base that
off of I've been around long enough to know what
the pitches to these players about whether to go or
to leave, whether to go or to stay um, And

(01:08:12):
the pitch is going to be get drafted. You're gonna
get drafted. You you're more than likely going to be
a first round pick, even if you fall a little.
But you're gonna be a first round pick. You're gonna
have this next year even if you didn't play it
all this next year, worst case scenario, you're going to
be in an NFL building with NFL. You know, medical
people taking care of you seven three sixty five. You're
not gonna be going to history class. You're not gonna

(01:08:33):
be dealing with you know, the college level resources. Um,
so that's gonna be the sales pitch. I'll imagine he will.
He will buy into that, and I do believe it'll
it will affect his stock. I think he will slide. Um.
You know, I haven't don't have a good enough handle
on the medical stuff right now with this injury. From
what I've been told, Um, it's it's concerning. So you

(01:08:55):
know that does that push him out of the top ten?
I don't know. I just I I thought he was
going to be the first, second, third player picked and
I don't think that anymore. Yeah, it's it's really kind
of alarming and sad. Um, what do you make of
the Niners? How good are they there? There? We got
this problem in the NFL now where normally I've talked
about this, normally at the end of the year, maybe

(01:09:17):
from this point on or a couple of games. Now
you start to see younger players being played. But we
have a couple of teams that have kind of committed
to being bad earlier this year, and so it's it's
really been hard to see who's good. And the Niners,
the Patriots, Cowboys, you get some of these teams that
have just a ridiculously easy schedule in comparison to the

(01:09:37):
rest of the league. The Niners are one of those teams. Um,
I'm willing to believe that Arizona's matchup thing and it's
a doot new style And maybe that's hard to but
they haven't putting them. They had trouve putting them away
twice and I and I and they've had a bunch
of injuries as well. Missing your tackles, you know that
with the Chargers hurts them. But how how good are
the Niners? I still think they're really good. And I

(01:09:58):
think when you get the post se say it's sometimes
it comes down to styles. Um, I think you know, look,
they have a one of the best defensive line coach
in the NFL, and Chriss Christas Cirk is a wide
nine guy, which means you're lining up outside the tight
end and you are getting upfield with your with your end.
So it's an attacking front and it can give you
a lot of fits. The the kryptonite for that front though,

(01:10:21):
is a mobile athletic quarterback because obviously when you're rushing
up the field, there's running lanes. And now you've seen
Russell Wilson and key moments against them pick up a
bunch of yards with his legs, and you've seen a
couple of games against Kyler Murray where he's had some success. Well, um,
so that to me is would be my one concern.
But I think when you look at um, kind of

(01:10:41):
the foundational pieces, championship level pieces, offensive line, defensive line,
went healthy, outstanding, they can run the ball. Uh, the quarterback,
you know, I look, you don't need to be consistently
great to win a Super Bowl quarterback, but you've got
to have an upside feeling where you can put together
three games um that can in your championship. And well,
Garoppolo might be a little spotty at times, I think

(01:11:03):
his ceiling is pretty high and he's capable of playing
at that level for a for a small stretch of game.
So I still believe in them. I just think, you know,
the mobile quarterback thing is something you've got to keep
an eye on when you're when you're watching that ball
club Cowboys Patriots who do you like I just I
don't have any belief in the in the Patriots offense
right now. Um, And I would think the Cowboys now

(01:11:25):
Kim can fight their way and scratch their way to
twenty points and I think that might be enough. Yeah,
it's it's really interesting you talked about we everybody said
the skill position players, but it's also one skill poship players.
Tom Brady is he what he used to be? And
I think both of our answer would be no. It
doesn't mean that he's solely responsible for their ineptitude, but
I think that he's at least a partially responsible. It's

(01:11:47):
a tough way to play, and they've played this way
for a long time, where you know, everybody else in
the league relies on explosive plays because it's so hard
to string together ten, twelve thirteen play drives. Well, the
Patriots have been the exception, as there are so many
of these rules. Because he's been so accurate, they've been
able to think and dunk their way down the field
and still finished drives. And then one of the few
teams I've ever seen do that at a consistent level. Well, now,

(01:12:08):
when Brady is not as consistent on the layoups. Man,
there's no explosive plays and then you missed some layops.
You try your pun around. There an awful lot great stuff.
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(01:12:53):
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Cowherd and to speak for yourself anyway, we pick and
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bring it back, we call it And now Joe Clatt,
lead college footbinalist for Fox Sports, was on the Herd.
He said this about l s U Bank ranked number one.
It's good to see you have l s U third,

(01:13:34):
because that defense is garbage. I watched two hours of
old miss run up and down l s U. I
think is a terrible matchup against Ohio State and Clemson.
I think they will run all over And by the way,
I don't remember the last time there's probably a stat
that you could put a team number one and you

(01:13:55):
felt their defense was a not a liability, A major concern.
Is a major problem, and it's been a problem throughout history.
By the way, UM, if you go back to the
start of the BCS column, which is when Tennessee won
that first BCS Championship game, UM, only one team has
won a national championship since the late nineties with a

(01:14:18):
defense that is not a top defense. So that's a problem.
My eyes dudo was Cam Newton's Auburn team, by the way,
that was the one champions and we're having to say, like, Okay,
Joe Burrow is Cam Newton, right, Joe Burrow in this
offense is well what Cam Newton and Auburn would And listen,
I'm not taking anything away from Burrow. Burrows phenomenal. He's
gonna win the Heisman Trophy. He's been great. You know

(01:14:40):
what l s U is right now, They're trying to
do exactly what Oklahoma has done the last two years,
and we don't. This is the Baker Mayfield version of Oklahoma.
That's what l s U is right now. Um look,
I think I think what Joel is saying. And look,
I love Joel first of all, the second of all,
he's super pin eight. Third of all, he is usually

(01:15:00):
the defender of conferences that we had Fox Sports represent right, Like,
don't get me wrong, he's long said there's an SEC bias,
but he's also happened to say it when he's not
broadcasting games for you know, for the SEC. Right, that's
it's a fair thing to say, and it's easier to
to to have that opinion on them. Um, I would

(01:15:23):
the difference between the Big twelve argument and the SEC
argument is not just the success of SEC teams out
of conference, but the success specifically of this L s
U team. They did beat Texas at Texas. Did they
struggle to stop Texas? Sure, but they beat him. They
did beat Florida, they did beat Auburn, they did beat

(01:15:45):
Alabama at Alabama, And yeah, they gave up thirty seven,
they scored fifty eight. You know, you play a higher
percent of high possession game, you're gonna give up some points.
That's the way it works. And as much as we
all want to say Ohio States the best team, because
but who has the Ohio State played and who have
they beaten? We'll see how many points they give up
as now they played the legit teams on their schedule.

(01:16:09):
Say you don't. We're always trying to find guys in
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(01:16:35):
does Lebron James remind you of? Doug Gottlieb Show is
brought to you by Discover Card. We treat you like
you treat you. What is your mind you of? It's
a great question, right music? If I was asked you,
who does you see? Who does he remind you of? Who?
Would you say? Wow? Um, let's see, he probably reminds

(01:16:57):
me of like, uh, Karl Malone. But a Karl Malone
that's more has a better shot, maybe a little bit
more Carl Malone because his body type your time out? Okay,
Karl Malone writing down Karl Malone? Uh, what about you there? Um?

(01:17:18):
John Ramos? Who does your mind? Oh? Man? I can
only guess. Maybe magic, a magic type player, like playing
his point guard when he's kind of a big magic
in Karl Malone's body? Is that? Can we can we
go there with it? Sure? Are you okay with that
one music? I don't like it? I don't like it
at all? I actually love it? Okay, Okay, the Segor
Do you have any other parallel you'd like to make

(01:17:40):
with Lebron James. I'm sorry, was sending an update for
I Heart. I missed the first paragraph here. Okay, it's
the everybody likes coumps, right, like all the team Seger,
you remind me of Van Earl, right, right, right, he
was here for a while. No, right, Um, so uh
who give you give me at Ron comp Who would

(01:18:01):
it be? Uh? Yeah, exactly any Brown's tight end. Yes,
so what you said is correct because it is a
point guard. Wait, any Brown's tight end? You get that body,
but a point guard? Yes, yes, got it, got it? Yes,
I guess I think I think we're talking the same language.
I'm not really sure. From Ohio and everybody said coming

(01:18:22):
through high school, if he'd only played but I would
be a heck of a tight end. Yeah. I don't
think I've ever said this on this because it hasn't
come up. Let me just two people who say Lebron
James wouldn't be a great football player, Like, oh, he
wouldn't be a good fooball player because you know what,
he doesn't want to get hit, Like, can I just
help you out with something? There is no one in
the NFL that wakes up in the morning. It's like, man,

(01:18:44):
can't wait to get to your hold, right, Like it's
not like, look, Calvin Johnson's good wide receivers we've seen
in the last twenty five years was there ever a
moment You're like, you thought he wanted to get hit.
He just wouldn't have the impact that a basketball player
five man sport for your team can have unless he
played quarterback, right, I mean Newton. He's bigger than Cam Newton.

(01:19:12):
He's probably faster than Cam Newton. Even so, the handoffs,
there's really no comparison to the sport of basketball because
Lebron's pretty much every time bringing it up, right, he
is now sure, sure, okay, what if I said he's
but in it in his career spot, he's a lot
like he's a lot like Brady. Like I think there's

(01:19:33):
a certain there parallel contemporaries, right, like like Brady is
never going to be able to a lot like Lebron
crack the code on the in some people's mind on
the the goat talk because Joe Montana never lost in
the Super Bowl one forward in this one didn't go
to more than just fair, like totally fair. Now Montana

(01:19:54):
would sit there and go like, hey, Steve Young, he
took another Super Bowl away from me that would have
been my team. Um but but and for Lebron, he's
never no matter how many finals he goes to or
how many he wins. It's hard when you're going against
Michael Jordan's six NBA finals and no losses, that's that's hard. Hard.

(01:20:16):
On the other hand, there are people that view Tom
Brady is the goat. There are people that view Lebron
James is the goat um And even though their backgrounds
are very different, their styles are very different. Like Lebron
has one on mostly on versatility, strength, but also on
passing skill, willingness to let other people succeed setting them up.

(01:20:40):
Same for for Tom Brady, although in a quarterback that's
kind of all you do. But you mentioned early in
this show about how different their arrivals were because Lebron
was talking about being a global icon very early on
and Brady was not even a starter all the time
at Michigan. Sure that that part was different, but but
but now, all of a sudden, like a Vinn diagram,

(01:21:03):
right now, they're like lines are kind of crossing, and
they're the same section of people and the same level
of superstardom. Here's the Braun. Last night. Last night he
had a triple double against the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's
the final team he had to have a triple double against.
Now he's had a triple double against every team in
the NBA. Here's the Braun discussing the career. Does that

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mean anything in particular to you or symbolize something throughout
your career? I don't know. I don't know. I really
don't know what to think about it, to be honest,
I've had some great teammates and great you know, coaches,
and that put me in position to be able to facilitate.
My teammates have made shots from me throughout my career.
Coaches have put me in a position to be successful
scoring the ball, and I'm just trying to you know,

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read and react the ball off the rim as far
as you know, getting the rebounds and hopefully, you know,
throughout all those triple doubles, I gotta win a record
um and those gangs because that's what's most important. So
I read it on what's to really think about it?
I think it's it's just it's a pretty cool statum
to know. I'm sorry, it's a pretty cool stat and uh,

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I'm glad it happened in a way. Why was his
alarm going off? Does anybody know he wants to end
it talking to the media. Yeah, he's like, oh, sorry
about that time time. That's it, you guys, your time
is up. Give you guys five minutes. By the way,
I saw the list of most triple doubles all time.
It's it's all point guards after this. As far as

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total triple doubles, I mean, Wilt is listed as having
about a Lebron's over will averaged will averaged eleven assists.
One year with the Lakers, he was he was past
his prime, and uh, the year before he was, you know,
they criticized for not passing. So he decided to spend
a year and I'm just gonna lead the league and assists,
and that's when a lot of the triple doubles came.

(01:22:49):
I do think kind of like Russell Westbrook. You can
play guys that handle the ball that much, you can
play to get a triple double. You know, like double
figures and scoring is not hard for Lebron James. The
figures and sists is not that hard. If you play
for the cists first, then you played the score. And
oh yeah, by the way, if you're on the court
long enough and you're that big, you can get ten rebounds.
It's actually not It doesn't mean that much. But I

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didn't think he played well last night. I just think
they both reached the point in their career where there
are the career milestones. They like to be recognized. They
say all the right things in terms of only being
focused on winning. Although winning helps their legacy, these stats
help their legacy. I've also noticed that we've gotten to
a point where you look, when the Lakers were bad

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last year, a lot of people weren't critical Lebron. They're like, well,
look Lebron, look at his numbers. They're fine, it's not Lebron.
Same thing as as Tom Brady. When Tom Brady's offense
is an EPP this year, no one's saying, hey, Tom,
isn't that good? Even though Tom isn't that good. You
reach this point where you've earned so much respect that
no one even questions you anymore, even when you're at

(01:23:53):
a point in your career when it's okay to question them.
It's not whatever you do as a sports fan, whatever
you do. And this is a big thing for me,
I can't stand any of these a whole coaches, players, fans.
They're like, you were critical of you were take it back, Like,
what would sports talk be like? If we came on

(01:24:17):
and just everybody when everything was great, right, that's not
the way it is. That's not how life works. First,
there'll be no real sports talk, but to like, everything
isn't always great. And what what I found is in
sports and life, if you say something is not as

(01:24:38):
good as your thought, sometimes things are bad, some more terrible.
Then when you do achieve something the same person says it,
it resonates more. But I don't just give away compliments,
and I'm not participation trophy guy that way. When you
do get a compliment, you're like, wow, that actually matters
to me, A good job that actually, if you're just

(01:24:59):
the every day is a get day. You know, we
screw up. It's okay, it's okay, sometimes not okay. But
we're very we're we're very soft in our critique of
Lebron and of Tom Brady because maybe we align with
them in terms of understanding where they are in their

(01:25:19):
athletic career, and or maybe it's that they've achieved so
many great things that you find we should be unable
to question them. But there are times when Tom Brady
doesn't have it. There are times when Lebron James doesn't
have it, and they try and hide it, and they
need other guys to carry them. And yet I don't
think they get much of the blame anymore because they've
accomplished so much and they're chosen sport in a search

(01:25:41):
for best comps Athletically, I agree with Music and with Ramos.
If you combine Carmelon's body and imagic Johnson's game, that's
kind of that. There's there's a comp But in terms
of being a superstar, how you're recognized nationally and Internet
lee and how you deal with all that stuff, and

(01:26:02):
that you get to a point where you don't actually
get criticized because you've accomplished so much and everything becomes
about your legacy and people sucking up to you, and
how do you deal with that. That's bratty. That's the
Lebron James. They're the same guy in that way. NBA
teams are backing themselves into an interesting corner regarding the
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(01:26:47):
Sham Sharania says, the n c double A has come
down with a number on the suspension for a guy
we were just talking about on today's show, potential number
one pick in the NBA, James Wiseman center from Memphis,
twelve total games. They'll clear him on January twelve to
return for a game at South Florida. The n c
A also says Wiseman quote must donate eleven thousand, five

(01:27:08):
hundred dollars to a charity of his choice end quote,
no doubt rebate refund for those living expenses, moving expenses
that he and his family got paid for, and that's
why the eligibility was in question. M hmm. My guess
is hmm. He's only played three games, but supposedly wasn't

(01:27:29):
ineligible and they did. I'm sure they're not happy they
got the I don't understand why for that, for the
game that they got, why they got the I know
they wanted to play against Oregon, but why they got
the stay to where he could play against I can't
remember that the first game that he played South Carolina State,
but the Oregon game was like right before the players
were taking the court, right, they got to stay and

(01:27:50):
oh my goodness, he's playing tonight after all. It was
one of those Oh the home game right before that
was South Carolina State one. Yeah, and they want to
play obviously with the Nike stuff, and I don't have one.
This story shows how dirty high school basketball is, right
because at the time, I don't think Penny Penny knew
he he was gonna be the head coach at Memphis, right,

(01:28:11):
he had kind of put things in place. I don't
know if his thought process was that far in advance.
I look, this is how Penny got the job though,
all right, getting this guy, you're saying, yes, sort of. Look,
Penny was a great player at Memphis. He's a huge
Like he's the most popular Memphis player ever. Um, he's

(01:28:32):
really still popular in most basketball He's a great guy,
Like I've spent time with him. He's honestly awesome guy.
But you know, like this this the sale, I mean,
he used the media people with the sale is like, look,
Penny can get any kid he wants to come play
high school basketball for him. Why wouldn't he get any
kid he wants to play college basketball for him and
his alma mater. Like, yeah, well, when you move somebody's
family to give him eleven five to move, Nobody else

(01:28:55):
does that high school basketball, especially local. It's an instate guy.
We he wasn't an instinct guy when they moved him.
That's right. But I mean this is not some California
recruit who was playing one year as senior season in
Los Angeles, you know what I mean, Like say a
Duke recruit in the past, It wasn't quite that. It's like,
if you're going to be Memphis, how can you not
get this Nashville guy? Fair? Fair that that that part

(01:29:19):
is fair? Um, it's the whole thing is is interesting.
But I don't I think this is a little my
thing is I and I there's a bunch of different
steps that they can take. Like I think internationally, it
should be easier for the you know, international kids. It's
really hard for them to travel home. They got to
pick up their own freight and it's really difficult. Thing, Like,

(01:29:39):
I think there should be more reasonable rules to let
more international kids play. I think, I I don't mind
you suspending wise been even making them paying back to
eleven five, But we're really going to suspend him for
like eleven more games. What's the point? What's the point? Um?
It was me I would in like five more games.
You want to pay back to them five? Spending five

(01:30:00):
more games? You know there's like six that you haven't played.
That's enough. I feel like this is a little punitive.
And as most people know, I generally agree with the
the idea behind many of these NA rules, which are
don't player players, don't change their grades, you know, um
and you know if if you get in trouble, you're
probably gonna have to leave your institution. All right, let's

(01:30:22):
get uh, let's let's get to this. Um. I guess
we have if we have time for it. Yeah, we do.
Peter King is gonna join us momentarily. I kind of
feel like the Clippers are are putting themselves in a
in a box in the corner if you will. And
I don't know if this makes sense to you, but
the Clippers, and it looks like Kauai is going to

(01:30:43):
play tonight, but Quai is not gonna play more than
sixty games, and I don't think Paul George is gonna
play a ton like every game this season. And so
if you are going to show a lack of interest
in winning every game in the regular season, you're telling
everybody what matters is the postseason. Right. That's a fair

(01:31:03):
way to look at it. And I do think as fans,
we tend to like, does anybody even know who had
the best record in the NBA the last five years?
Nobody cares? Which didn't. But for the Clippers, who are
trying to win a championship and win l A, they're
kind of putting themselves in this championship or bust sort
of mentality. They've never been past the second round of
the playoffs. Like that feels like you're going all in

(01:31:27):
on a small sample sized time, which might not be
you don't have to And and maybe it's maybe they're
just admitting what we all believe, which is the regular
season doesn't matter that much. But they're telling they're not.
They're not they're not admitting they're yelling at the regular
says it doesn't matter. That's what they're telling us. And

(01:31:51):
I do think it's an interesting corner to paint yourself
in when it's a franchise, you've never been past the
second round. Now, look he it worked in Toronto. It worked,
but it worked in Toronto when they got a crazy
role for Kawhile Leonard shooting a fade away in the corner.

(01:32:16):
When you know, when the Celtics kind of imploded and
when the Golden State Warriors were so injured, they just
didn't have the bodies that worked that all in mentality.
But also Toronto had been to the Eastern Conference finals before,
they had had some success before so and they had

(01:32:36):
had the best record in the East before. They just
couldn't get best Lebron can get best Lebron. The Clippers
weren't able to get past the Warriors. The Clippers haven't
be able to get past the second round. They've never
been able to get out of the injury bug. And
by the way, and maybe this is the most important
thing to remember, super important remember is that, um, if

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you're sitting there and you're the Clippers, you want to
create a culture or say you're you have this culture
of winning, like you have to actually have one sum
to have that culture. Like they're obviously not a losing franchise.
They obviously have a lot of hope. They have Kauai,
they have Paul George, they got the makings of which

(01:33:24):
should be a great team, and they have those guys
in their contracts. They are not going anywhere. But can
we just at least for a second, for a second, admit,
admit to ourselves that going all in for the Raptors
rap everybody got hurt. For the Warriors. If Kevin Durant
plays that series, they win. Hell, if Clay Thompson doesn't

(01:33:48):
get hurt, they might still win. So yeah, it work
for the Raptors, but will it work for the Clippers
as a risky, risky proposition? Be sure to catch the
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Here on Fox Sports Radio. Peter King will join us

(01:34:12):
in a couple of minutes. Um, take a listen to
what Mason Rudolph. Mason Rudolph of course has caught some.
You got people like Mason Rudolph started it. He totally
started it, man, he was asking for it. Marcel's Wiley
was like, don't starting with stuff won't be no stuff like, Okay,
here's Mason Rudolf Hillier today Thursday night. To say the least,
it was an unfortunate situation um for everyone involved. I

(01:34:33):
considered a privilege, not a right, to be part of
the NFL, to be part of a first class organization
representing the Rooney family and the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I
felt short of that expectation last Thursday night, the way
I saw it on the final play of the game,
with the game in hand, the way it was it
had been, we had already lost two of our players
the targeting penalties from the game. As I released the ball,
you know, I took a late shot, did not agree

(01:34:55):
with the way he then you know, it took me
to the ground, and my natural reaction was just to
get him off from on top of me. And again,
I should have done a better job handling that situation. Okay,
I mean I I think what he's saying is like, yeah,
I mean I I probably shouldn't have freaked out and
tried to take out his helmet, But like, none of

(01:35:16):
that raises to the level of it's okay to swing
your helmet hit me. I don't understand, No, one who
watched that play like this is one of the problems
with what we do. This is the problem with social
media especially, but it's a problem sometimes with regular media,
which is we show context but not full context, like

(01:35:36):
we'll show from their laying on the ground and he's
going after uh it appears he's going after his helmet,
and go like, wow, that's where it started, Like, no,
it didn't. There's eight seconds ago in the game. He
throws a little he throws a little drop off pass
and Myles Garrett takes him to the ground. That's where
it started. That's unacceptable. That should have had penalty flag

(01:35:59):
school or and then yeah, a huge dude's on top
of you. You're gonna do whatever it takes to get
him off of you. Now are you looking at don't
starting with stuff. Won't be like dude, big dudes laying
and you're supposed to go like, oh hey, thanks, good
hit with eight seconds laftical in the game, Good to
see you. I love getting body slammed. I love the

(01:36:22):
idea that this is my first chance that started. Don't
play particularly well and you put my collarbone very very
close to being broken. That's a good thing. What are
you talking about So look, this is Mason Rolph going, Hey,
my bad, I lost my cool little bit. Didn't know
that a guy was going to take off my helmet
swing it at me. Hadn't seen that one probably shouldn't

(01:36:43):
have walked into it at the end of the day,
but my bad. We we've gotten to this apologized culture
where we gotta, like Mason Ruolph has to apologize for
doing something that any quarterback would have done, anyone, every
single one. But I don't think you apologize. I don't
think you should be spending he's not thin. You should
have been fined, and I don't think my palency should
be fined or suspended. Myles Garrett did something we haven't

(01:37:07):
seen anybody do, not just swing a helmet, but connect
with somebody's head. Everybody who's ever played the sport knows
you could have somebody's helmet comes off, that's it. And
to fight fight over It's like in hockey. Once they
go to the ice, it's over, right. Anybody's ever watched
a hockey fight. The second they go to the ground,

(01:37:27):
it's over. The second they go to the ground, it's over, yes, right.
So some people were giving Mason Rudolph some criticism because obviously,
you know, you couldn't tell through this context, but it
was actually a video and he was it was like

(01:37:47):
a written statement that he was continually sort of looking
down at and looking back up and looked like he
hadn't really rehearsed it. And some people are like, you've
had almost a full week to come up with something
to say about what's happened, and the best you can
do is what seems like a halfhearted, not really an
apology sort of apology and you didn't even have it

(01:38:09):
ready to go. Do you do you have any issue
with that? I honestly right, because he addressed it actually
after it happened. It wasn't like we didn't see Mason
rudolphig and he talked about it after the game. Yeah.
I don't like we we do this though. This is
another part of our culture which sucks, is like we

(01:38:29):
the guy's apologizing for something he shouldn't have to apologize for,
and we don't even like the The apology doesn't rise
to some level like we're just people are just dumb.
I I can't help you if you don't like his
apology because because he had it written out right like
it just sorry, I can't help you. You're the you're

(01:38:50):
you're this this is interesting, this is um. I don't
Ronald seems like he's got the nicest kids in the world,
So maybe maybe this this doesn't apply to you. But
I gotta tell you, Ramos, we experience this with my kids.
Is like, do you guys have any idea, any idea

(01:39:11):
how good you have it? Right, that's what we tell
our kids all the time, Do you guys have any
idea how good you have it? They have no perspective
on it because they've been raised and just like the
nicest we like we for the moment, we didn't spank
our kids. Like our kids have grown up. They got
it easy. Every every Sunday night. Um. Some I've started
in the last three months or so is my kids

(01:39:35):
will all they all do the dishes, And we started
guy have them do the laundry, and they could not
complain anymore. And yet when there's three kids and they're
doing the dishes, it goes by in like five minutes, Like, Hey,
do you guys have any idea? How good you have it?
When we were kids, and I don't know if you
were like this Ramo's music, you like we had chores
and yeah we got allowance. But if you didn't do

(01:39:55):
your chores and the chores, you know you you did
them every day? Picked up dog, but I picked up dog.
You had to make your bed, You have to do this,
you have to do that, you take out the trash cans.
It's trash day. Like now, we asked him once a
week and they act like you're asking them to solve
the pythagram theorem. What's the same thing with fans, like
we're asking Wait, he's got to do more then apologize

(01:40:17):
in the fashion that he just apologized. I don't. I don't.
I don't sorry. I don't get it at all. I
don't get it at all. So maybe Peter King can
help me out with it, because I didn't think Mason
Rudolph needed to apologize, but once he did to apologize, like, Okay,
I'm good with it. That's enough. Thank you. Doug Gotli

(01:40:41):
show rolls on here on Fox Sports Radio Football Morning
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the NFL Network series NFL one All Time Team, premiering
this Friday, eight o'clock Eastern Time with Rich Eison, Chris Collinsworth,

(01:41:01):
and Bill Belichick. Uh, Peter Mason. Did Mason Ruff have
to apologize today? I didn't think so, But he probably
was trying to take the higher road. Look, things like
that happen on the field every week, every every Sunday,
every Monday, every Thursday. Not things exactly like that, but

(01:41:25):
semi violent little incidents happen and you just got to
look the other way and you gotta move on. Um.
So did he have to do that? No, But I
also I think there's a good chance he's going to
be one of the guys who's fine for it, um,
you know, because he did put his foot in the

(01:41:45):
growing area of another player and that's not sportsmanlike. However, However,
I do not think he deserves to be suspended. Um.
And I think that that Myles Garrett deserves to do
the time for the rest of the year. And I hope,
just out of a sense of fairness that they don't, uh,

(01:42:06):
they don't shorten that suspension. Yeah, I mean, you know,
and now I don't think you should drag in the
next year do you No, I don't. Well, my you know,
here's how I feel. It's a little bit nuanced. I
believe that he should serve the rest of the rest
of this season, and then after that we should make

(01:42:26):
a judgment of how he treats this incident. If he's serious,
if he is remorseful, if he does a couple of
things in the community that that, you know, maybe talk
to some kids and say, you can't do what I did. Look,
I'm not trying to, you know, be a phony Balogney guy,
but I think he I think it would help him

(01:42:48):
if he did a couple of things to show his
remorse basically, And I'm not a big fan of him
appealing this because think about this, Doug. What happens if
he appeals this and uh and and they put an
absolute number on them, and they say to the NFL, okay, NFL,

(01:43:09):
you cut you come back now, and you tell us
we're not going to allow you to do indefinite suspension.
You have to give us a number. And what if
the NFL says all right, eight and then he goes
into next season. I think they're much better off taking
their suspension until the end of the year and then
having the emotion died down, and then in April he

(01:43:32):
walks into Roger Goodell's office and said, Hey, I'm sorry,
I totally screwed up. I think I've done my time.
I'd like to be uh, you know, I'd like to
be able to play Opening Day, and I think Goodell
would say yes. Peter King joining us in the Doug
Gotlips Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, you know, like
you have a Hall of Fame vote, so you would

(01:43:52):
know more. And I mean, I tend to believe Philip
Rivers is going to be a Hall of Famer. But
we've seen Ben Roethlisberger lose this season in three We've
seen Eli Manning lose his job. We've seen many of
their contemporaries look look old. Right, Even Drew Brees isn't
the same Drew Brees end of last year. Sometimes this
year in the same Drew Brees. Do you believe the
Chargers will move on from Philip Rivers at the end

(01:44:14):
of this year? I don't know. I mean, I think
it depends on what happens in the last five weeks
of the season. He's got five games left. If he
keeps going at the same pace of the last two
weeks and throw us three or four interceptions and several
or all of those games, I would bet they would
probably move on. I don't think they want to move on.

(01:44:36):
That's the point, Doug. This is a team that wants
to have some um you know, some consistency and some
I mean, next year is a gigantic year for this franchise,
you know, moving into a new stadium in l A.
I don't know. You you hear the rumors they're not
selling enough enough enough PSLs, not selling tickets, you know,

(01:45:01):
I don't know if that's true or not. It sounds
like they're gonna need a steadying influence and not uh
and and again, Tyrod Taylor is fine, You're probably not
building the future of your franchise around Tyrod Taylor. So
and I doubt you're gonna pick you know, three, four
or five. So you're probably not going to get one

(01:45:23):
of the three quarterbacks in this draft. Um So, in
my opinion, they're probably best suited unless he totally blows
a gasket in the month of December, they're probably best
suited to bringing him back. But again, we've got to
see what happens in December before you make a judgment
on that. Yeah, and it part of also is the

(01:45:43):
schedule where the free agency is before the draft, so
they're gonna have to re up him even if they're
going to sign something that you know, kind of like
you saw with Bradford, kind of like you saw with
Mike Glennon, right, Like, these things have to de sidens
have to be made before you actually draft, and it
makes for makes it really really weird going into the
draft with a guy who already under contract. Yeah, and
and look, they've if you look at the Chargers scheduled

(01:46:07):
down the stretch, Um, you know, you've got Denver and
Jacksonville the next two weeks. And I'm not saying that
both of those teams have representative competitive defenses, but that
would help him sort of, you know, get back on
track to win, to win both of those games. Um,

(01:46:28):
and then they're six and seven. I think if if
they win both, then they've got a tough schedule in
the last three weeks, but they would at least be
in position to have a chance. Then Peter King joining
us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio,
Tom Brady is unhappy. Everyone's saying it's because he doesn't
have the weaponry, But is it that Tom Brady also

(01:46:50):
doesn't have the skill set? Like, what's your take on
the Patriots offense, which needed you know, you need Juliet
Elman to throw a touchdown pass in order for them
uh to get a win last a day a year ago,
at this time, he was throwing to Rob Gronkowski, Josh Gordon,
Chris Hogan. They were three of his top four targets

(01:47:12):
on offense. UM and last year altogether they caught a
hundred and twenty two balls and nine touchdown passes. Well,
none of them are there. They're running game last year
for the season average four point three a carry. They're
averaging three point three a carry this year. So although
I do understand that everybody is connecting the dots and

(01:47:35):
saying Brady's done, he's forty two, He's careening down a cliff,
I don't buy it for a second. UM. And I
also think that when the Patriots play a game in
January UM in Foxborough, let's see who can who can
knock the Kings of the Hill off at home in

(01:47:57):
Foxburgh when it's twenty three degrees And Brady has been
in forty of these games before Um, so I don't
think they're nearly as good as they were a year ago.
But I don't think that that that The corresponding problem
with all the other stuff is that also Tom Brady

(01:48:18):
has gone done downhill. We don't know whether he has
because his team is so incredibly different than it was
a year ago. It's very, very true. Lamar Jackson continues
to take the league by storm. He's played his best
football in the past three weeks after some midseason struggles.
What are people around the NFL saying about the longevity
of this because we've we've seen r G three, Vig Tebow,

(01:48:43):
Vince Young. Um, we've seen them have an impact, but
they struggled to maintain consistency after a fifteen to twenty
games when people have seen it. What are people around
the NFL telling you? I think everybody you almost unanimously,
you know, they love the kid, but they want to
see him do it over time. He started whatever eighteen

(01:49:06):
games now, and and really I think, you know, the
NFL basically is the classic flavor of the month. Um,
you know, two weeks now are making everybody say that
Philip Rivers has got to go, and it's just not
I don't know. I don't. I just don't feel that way,

(01:49:28):
and I don't think decisions should be made as precipitously
as that. And it's the same thing. I don't know
how you watch if you watch Lamar Jackson and aren't
incredibly excited and say, man, I hope I can watch
this guy sixteen times a year for the next fifteen years.
But you know, a lot of guys have been athletic

(01:49:50):
quarterbacks and and and have done a lot of running
and haven't lasted. So I just think it's too early
to say anything for sure about him. But I think
the one bit of advice and talking to some people
with the Ravens, I think that that over time, I
think they're going to try to convince him to run
out of bounds a little bit more into slide. Hey,

(01:50:12):
he's sliding a lot now, But I think they don't
want to see that contact that he has been taking
on in the last couple of weeks. Especially. Yeah, I agree,
there has been more contact and and we'll see, we'll
see if the accuracy improves as well. They they've they've
designed some throws to him which which he's making at
a more accurate level than than he has previously in

(01:50:34):
his career. Peter Peter King, and then this is a
reminder for people. The NFL hundred All Time Team Reaction
Show airs Friday, nine o'clock Eastern on the NFL Network. Peter,
thanks so much for joining us on the Doug Otlip Show. Doug,
my pleasure, have a great day. Pleasures mind, one team
in the NFL is about to face as tough as
schedule in the history of sport. Find out who that

(01:50:56):
is next. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific.
Doug Gottlieb Show rolls on on Fox Sports Radio every
day at this time. I like to get you cut
up on as many of the stories and sports as
we can. Here's Steve Sega with the press. The press,

(01:51:16):
s d. What do you have, sir? Oh, you know
it's not really story number one, but you were talking
about the Steelers quarterbacks apology after the Miles Garrett incident.
Even Baker Mayfield with kind of an apology today because
he had said in the heat of the moment that
behavior was inexcusable from Garrett, and he said, yes, I
still would have said the same thing if I had,
you know, some time to think about it. But how

(01:51:38):
do you mean to pile on Miles? He knows that.
There you go. Pal Gasol, with an announcement on social media,
the NBA grade and likely Hall of Famer in the future, says,
this rehab from may foot surgery is taking so long
the Blazers will waive him and he will stay around
Portland's still rehabbing and still contributing to the team in

(01:51:59):
some as yet determined form. It's weird he's gonna be
He's about thirty nine now, he's gonna be forty soon.
I assume that's it for the pro career. Seventeen points
nine rebounds a game. Uh, really good player. Um. I've
heard people say brilliant, great player, you know. I've had
a conversation with some Lakers people that said everybody said

(01:52:20):
he was soft and wins a couple of championships with
Kobe to Kobe make him tough. I like pagasol Um.
I don't think he's a Hall of Famer, but I
think he's just had a really, really good career. So
when you include the stuff with Spain, it's kind of
like Jenoble, Right, they're both going. Yes, I would say
the difference with Jenoble is genobly one. With Argentina, they

(01:52:44):
won a World Championship and finals in the NBA. Well,
they went to World Chimp and like Argentina was never
competitive previously. Right, Spain has a bunch of dudes and
they've continued to be competitive with or without him. So
I don't know if I would say it's the same thing. Yeah,
if you consider international competition. Also, Genoble won to European

(01:53:05):
Championships before he came to the States, so I thought
Genoble ahead of him. But you make a very good
point their international success it does play affect. It's the
basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame.
As far as the Pro Bowl voting by the fans,
we have an update from the NFL this afternoon. Ravens
quarterback Lamar Jackson leads all players in balloting so far,

(01:53:27):
over a hundred forty five thousand votes for Patrick Mahomes
just over a hundred fifteen thousand, and a close third
is Russell Wilson, Seattle's quarterback number four and five, and
fan voting Dalvin Cook and Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, I I
don't have any problem with fan voting because like he's exciting,
he's exciting. It's not the best quarterback in the NFL,

(01:53:48):
you know, um and I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.
But this is what we do. We get on guys
that have a winning season. I mean, Vic won an
m v P. Won the best quarterback in the leagu
but he he did have a great impact. They won
the road game obviously against Green Bay. That's he's known for.
In the wild card. Um Cam Newton won an m
v P that was against the soft schedule with a

(01:54:11):
great defense and running game. Lamar Jackson is on his
path to winning an m v P. But when you
watch the entirety, there have been there's been some spotty performances.
And let's see on the road Monday night, let's see
what the Ravens do against the against the Rams. Finally
are nine and one and they faced the eight and
two Packers, eight and two Ravens, eight and two Saints,

(01:54:32):
so they could be embarking on the most difficult three
game late season stretch of any modern NFL team. According
to ESPN dot com, this trio of consecutive games for
the moment, the Niners the top seed in the NFC. Yeah,
those are those are tough games. I mean, I don't
know they've had such a soft schedule before that. And

(01:54:53):
yes they're playing the green Bay package, but they're not
playing them in green Bay. But then you played out
there and pressed that was the press. Then you played
the Ravens. It's it's going to be um tomorrow. Brandon
Wheaton joins us from salam joins us big Thursday night
football game. We'll give you the whole preview on the
Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio.

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