November 26, 2019 • 39 mins
Doug admits he was wrong about Lamar Jackson not being the MVP but tells you why we have seen this before and how the Ravens are different from the other teams in the past. He also tells you where everything went wrong for the Rams after losing in the Super Bowl. Plus, NFL and College Football analyst Brock Huard joins the show to tell Doug if Lamar Jackson will be able to sustain this success and who belongs in the College Football Playoff.
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We got a star studded lineup. Hope you're having a
great great day. UH. Duck Hodges named quarterback name quarterback
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of the Pittsburgh Steelers of course his name is actually
Devlin Hodges, but everybody calls him Duck because he wanted
Duck calling championship back in the day. That's that's just
that story gets better every single day. I'll admit it.
He's gonna win it, and I'm not sure it's gonna
be all that close. It doesn't actually mean that he's
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the best quarterback, But in terms of value, I find
it really hard to find anybody who's provided more value
and energy and attention in a positive sense than what
Lamar Jackson has done to the Baltimore Ravens. Five touchdown
passes last night. They ran it, they threw it. They
completely and totally obliterated the L A Rams, obliterated the
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L A Rams. He can you continues to say and
do all the right thing. Asked about the m v
P after the game, and he said, I'm just trying
to win a super Bowl. There's the clip of John
Harbaugh talking about how you're going to change the position,
and he said, I just want my team to win.
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It's possible he's Mike Vick with work ethic. It's possible
he's Mike Vick without hangers on who bring him down.
It's possible that he's a faster, better version, though smaller
than Cam Newton. But I would warn you we have
seen this before. Cam Newton was the MVP the league.
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Cam Newton was the most Valuable player in the National
Football League. And this is just going back four years ago.
Here's the eerie similarities. Two thousand fifteen, the Carolina Panthers
were second in rush yards, first in rushing. The two
thousand nineteen Ravens first in rush yards and touchdowns. The
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two thousand nineteen Panthers are first in points per game.
The two thousand fifteen Panthers first in points per game.
The two thousand nineteen Ravens second red zone offense, two
thousand fifteen Panthers second red zone offense. The Ravens were
nineteenth or nineteenth in passing. The Panthers were twenty four
in passing. Now, Lamar Jackson has completed a higher percentage
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of his balls sixty seven and fifty nine, but both
throwing about eight yards per attempt. Lamar's t d s
five interceptions in the m v P year, Cam Newton
thirty five and ten. Cam Newton ten rushing tds that year.
Lamar Jackson on pace for that was six already Lamar
Jackson averaging twenty seven past attempts per game, Cam Newton
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thirty during the two thousand fifteen campaign, eleven rush attempts
per game for Lamar Jackson, eight rush a tempts per
game for Cam Newton. The numbers weren't stunning, right, won
sixty nine five touchdowns ninety five yards rushing. That's because
the defense just completely choked off any hope for the
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l A Rams. And that's because the defense is fifth
in points per game, fifth and interceptions tied from fourth,
and turnover margin and fifth, lowest time per drive. You
want to know something interesting, the two thousand and fifteen
Panthers six and points per game first, interceptions first, and
turnover margin first, and lowest UH time per drive in
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the National Football League. In other words, their teams built
on kicking game, defense, running the football, and their quarterback
is playing an exceptionally high level in addition to the
fact that the defense and special teams is putting them
in prime position and the running game is leaving it
so that they're not doing second and third and long.
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We have seen this before, and though I made a mistake,
Mike Vick wasn an m v P. We've seen him
dominate the league before. We've seen Vince Young, we've sent
team Tim Tebow. We've seen Deshaun Watson before he tore
his as. We've seen r G three in a similar
type of offense. Now, I want to point this out, Okay,
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I don't think he has the off the field flaws
of Mike Vick. And Mike Vick he has said this
many times over, so I'm not making this up. He
has said I didn't work at it, and Lamar clearly
has worked at it. Lamar's what Mike Vick probably could
have been, and maybe even better. Right and Cam Newton.
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Cam Newton, of course, though he worked at it all right,
Cam Newton's also somebody who was injury prone. And to
this point, Lamar Jackson hasn't been hurt. That that's the
big question is when people start to figure it out,
the big question is will he get hit? Will he
get hurt? And over a fifteen wenty game stretch so far,
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he's been dynamic. Now, to the Baltimore Ravens fans who
think we all missed it, I'll only point out you
bowed him off the field last year during the playoff
game they lost to the Chargers. We didn't, you did.
I would say the guy who should be the most
bent out of shape, the guy who should be most upset,
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is Colin Kaepernick today, because that could have been him.
The Ravens wanted to sign him, wanted to talk to him.
His girlfriend sent out a meme which, like in the
owner of the Ravens to the slave owner and Django unchained.
The offensive coordinaer then, is the same offensive coordinator now,
Greg Roman, who was his offensive coordineer with the Rams.
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With it, what's give me with the Niners? By the way,
We've seen this before then, and remember people caught up
to it and Kaepernick got hurt. Vince Young was brought
down by his own lack of work eth think the
off the field issues. Mike Vick was brought down by
lack of work ethic, off the field issues, inaccuracy as
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a quarterback, Cam Newton injuries and inaccuracy. So we've seen
this before. The only difference today is I'll admit that
guy's taken the league by storm, and I have no
if this is a one hit wonder and this is
the only year which he wins an m v P.
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I still don't think any less of him. This is
what I think of one hit wonders in music. At
least they had one hit. That's one more hit than
of the bands and musicians out there. But we have
been waiting for thirty years, and really the last fifteen
years where this type of offense, kind of a combination
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of zone read, triple option and quarterbacks that can run
and throw would make it and stick in the NFL.
Guys have made it before, they have been unable to
stick for a myriad of reasons. This may be the
best chance because this is arguably the best franchise and
the most cohesive franchise. And when the Niners had it,
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when the ninth one, they didn't fully commit to this style.
They tried to make Kaepernick into more of a true
pocket passer, and there was Trent Balky and Jim Harball
and they couldn't get along. You have John Hardball, Greg Roman,
a new general manager, and everyone seems to be pulling
in the right direction, along with the defense, which is
fully committed to a quarterback who is fully committed to
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not being a superstar, not being as Cam Newton would
point out, some sort of fashionista an icon or Cam
Newton said he wanted to be bigger than football. Lamar
Jackson's never said any of that. He just wants to
win and be a part of a great team. But
we've seen it before with Cam, and injuries ultimately brought
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him down. I would point out, in addition to the
dysfunction in the between the front office and coaching staff
and his own, his own inability to relate to teammates. Right,
the real reason Klin Kaepernick, remember what bench was he
wasn't playing well, he was injured, and he couldn't relate
to teammates. That's not this dude. This guy is one
that's beloved by his teammates. It's the best possible chance
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of it working, and it's absolutely working right now. Long term,
we'll see, we'll see. It's really hard to last in
this league because generally you don't get faster everyone else does.
But I will admit when I'm wrong. And though I
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could point out that, I mean, what are the Seahawks
without Russell Wilson? Right? I actually think the Ravens are
a hell of a football team. Good defense, good running game,
good special teams, well coached. You know, do I think
they have. They're the best or second best team in
the NFL without Lamar Jackson. I do not, but it's
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still a good team. I'm not sure the Seahawks are
particularly good team without Russell Wilson. I'm not sure that
the Packers without I mean, we've seen the Packers in
the past without Aaron Rodgers. Need I say more so
if we're trying to establish true value. But over the
past four games against four teams with winning records, they've
won by a hundred and four combined points. They're kicking
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everybody's ass and taking names. And he's the biggest reason why.
And so I'll admit when I'm wrong. Didn't think he
was gonna be the m v P going back couple
weeks ago. Now I do. And is it fair to
question the longevity of the success? Absolutely? Why, because we
use history as our guide. But man, however long this
lasts pretty fun to watch in it. Be sure to
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catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. You know,
if if the Ravens are interesting now because the first
time they won the Super Bowl. It was cap Hell,
which ultimately brought them down. Right, cap Hell ultimately brought
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them down. They had to pick and choose who they
wanted to keep, and they had to jettison others. And
we're talking about the Rams and the Ravens last night.
This is going back to two thousand when the when
the Ravens had arguably next to the you know, the
Bears are the two best defenses we've ever seen, right,
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and so it was it really was cap Hell that
brought them down. And um, what's fascinating about the Rams?
What makes you great? You know, maybe here's even better comparison.
There was a time when NASCAR and the NHL were
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on fire. Do you remember that NASCAR was on fire?
And they expanded and they have the race in California,
which is really like it's Fontana, okay, which is you know,
Fontana's inland. People think of l A. It's not anywhere
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near Hollywood's Hollywood types would come out. But they expanded,
you know, and they're in Phoenix and there and there
and there and there, and this is what happened to
the NHL. They went to Atlanta, they went to Phoenix
right when Great Ski went to l A. They took
the Minnesota North Stars and put them in Dallas and
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they became the Dallas Stars. Do you guys remember this.
This is like nineties into early two thousand nineties. Those
sports were on fire. The NFL was not. The NFL
actually left Los Angeles, two different teams left. What's the
core of what makes the NHL great. They have an
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unbelievably fervent fan base in New York, Boston, Philly, Detroit,
and in Canada. Right, that's the core of who they are.
In NASCAR, the core of who they are is the
South parts of the Midwest. But in the South, it
literally started like Daytona literally started them racing on the
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beach with like bootleg cars that were just put together,
Like that's how it started. Races like Talladega, races like
Bristol Motor Speedway under the lights. And what happened was
they got away from the core of what made them special.
And we all do this in all sports and all businesses.
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Because you want to expand have a more diverse portfolio,
you get tapped out in turns out how much money
you can make from that certain market. Right. The NFL
now obviously is trying to play in London, they're trying.
They want play in China, they want to play in Mexico.
Why we're kind of tapped out here. But you gotta
you gotta remain true to your core fans. The NFL
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found this out. You started too many windows and too
many games, Like yeah, waters down the product by having
the Rams. What made the Rams great, awesome offensive line,
great running game. Jared Goff was much more comfortable using
play action, and they had been developed over and kind
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of like honestly, kind of like the Niners, where they
were always held back by quarterback play and maybe coaching.
But you draft that high in the draft, you do
pretty well, and you draft in the interior lineman for
enough time, you're gonna build up a really really good
set of talent. And the Rams were always a quarterback
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away and an offensive mind. Way last year they had
the offensive mind which helped develop the quarterback and they
went to a Super Bowl. Then they let Roger Staffold
walk in free agency. He's with the Titans. They let
John Sullivan walking free agency is still a free agency.
They think he's washed. Andrew Whitworth considered retirement and he's
been playing like a guy who probably should have retired,
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really good player, had some left when he left Cincinnati,
and now he's kind of done. And they replaced him
with rookies that they drafted right because they couldn't afford
to go and get legit dudes or to keep legit dudes.
So now they can't run the ball. They get the
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lowest graded offensive one lowest grade offensive line in the NFL,
and Jared Goff, because you can't play action, has suffered
because of it. In November, five interceptions, no touchdowns. He
doesn't look comfortable. And of course they overinvested in Jared Goff,
which look, if you think you have a franchise quarterback
and you can get him at thirty million dollars a year,
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you get cost certainty, you don't have to worry about it.
Most GM is like, yeah, i'll take it. It's fine.
But between getting arguably the best defensive lineman in football,
overpaying for a wide receiver, overpaying for running back, over
playing for a quarterback, you put so many of your
resources in those four baskets that there's not enough left
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spread around, and they got away from their core business,
which was running the football, playing behind a monstrous offensive
line play action was the benefit of it. Rams were great.
Now they're not because they got away from their core.
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That happened to the NHL, right, and what the NHL do.
Atlanta went away, they went back. Now they're back in Winnipeg.
You know, they spend more time paying more attention to
their core audience. Remember they had the long lockout and
they changed the salary structure or whatever. You know what.
Though long term growth though it doesn't spike like the
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NBA contracts, then he tells a very very healthy business.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show we days at three p m. Easterre
noon Pacific. I really didn't like what Jerry Jones said
after Sunday's loss to the Cowboys, and I he not
only backtracked, but I think contextualized things today. Let me first,
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this is Jerry Jones after the game on Sunday. I
don't think there's a game that a coaching staff has
areas that it wouldn't couldn't do better. And I just
uh don't like it that we've got so many as
I'm standing here tonight. So the point is that I'm
just really frustrated with I thought we could come up
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here and really uh put together a better effort on
all three phases. Um, I expect us to play well
against them defensively, so we got what I think we
should have expected out of our defense. And but the
other phases of the game, we we've got a uh.
We can't come up here and play by path other
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phases of the game. Now, look, their special teams have
been a after all season long. That obviously up and
bit them. Um. He wasn't wrong for what he wasn't
wrong for what he said. It wasn't wrong for what
he said, but the time and the places is wrong.
You lose a game, and Jerry Jones says he's a
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football guy, and football guys have to know that there
are times in which, in any team sport, but specifically football,
you don't say boo about coaches, players, whatever, And having
your own postgame press conference does just that wrong A
wrong time, wrong place. So Jerry didn't backtrack, but he
did kind of contextualize anybody who thinks that that his
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head coaches on his way out, now take a listen
to him earlier today. The answer is no period. But
you know I sit there and watch games. I watched games,
and I look at, uh, every aspect of it, since
I put the coaches out there, since I put the
players out there at the end of the day with
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a lot of help and with a collaborative effort. But
at the end of the day, the buck stops with me,
and I am highly critical and I'm continually evaluating the
performance of everybody involved with the game. Yeah, so he's saying, like, look,
I'm just telling you he's gonna be gone at the
end of the year if things don't change. The crazy
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thing is we are so results based, Like I've heard
people Chris Sims came on that, hey, unless they get
to the n C Champiship Game, unless they get to
the Super Bowl, unless they do this unless like wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait. I thought Jason Garrett
did a hell of a job a couple of years
ago when Dez Bryant appeared to catch to catch the
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football right, didn't catch it. It wasn't rule to catch.
But remember they survived the Detroit Lions in the first
round of the playoffs, could have beaten the Green Bay
Packers on the road. That was a fourth down throw
they didn't. I just don't think you can be results oriented.
I think the Cowboys will be. It will be a hey,
if we don't get we don't win a playoff game,
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he's out. They win two playoff games, He's definitely gonna
stays one enough. What's amazing, though, is with every postgame comment,
and some of it it's confirmation bias, some of it
is the reality of what he's doing. With every postgame comment,
people who would think of maybe coaching them like this
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whole Hey, we're gonna hire irv Meyer. Do you think
v Meyer wants wants the owner after the game that
postgame press conference and go like, hey, well we didn't
like the play call and and how the like No, no, no,
that's not how those guys roll. Even Jerry, even Jerry
Jones with his well you know, I ran into Bill
Belichick at a ski resort when he got fired by
the Cowboys, and Dude, Bill Belichick, you really think he
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would have been cool with you and the postgame pressers. No,
it's not happening. So I think this is a good thing, which,
by the way, is what he should have said at
after the game on Sunday. Like after the game on Sunday,
you go like, hey, is disappointing. I'm sure we're gonna
look at the tape and see some coach. You're gonna
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see some things they would have like done differently. I'm
sure the players are going to see some things. But
this is not the end of the world. This is
not the end of the season. It's a hard loss
in a hard place that we probably we we walk
away thinking we should have won the game and we didn't,
and hopefully we'll get a chance to see them in
Miami and the super Bowl. That's the answer you should
And if not, like what about Jason Garrett, Like, hey,
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when I'm makingame decisions in mid year, so what we're
doing here? I mean firing him mid season? Who are
you gonna hire as your interim coach? Your offensive coordinators?
Thirty you, who are you gonna hire? You know, there's
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six and five with the Eagles at five and six,
it's their division to lose. Do you think they're gonna
make a mid season coaching change. I mean, even for
Jerry Jones, that would be too much, too much. So
I think this is common sense, but I think he
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lacked common sense in um in in the things that
he said on Sunday, And here there's some confirmation bias
in that other people are sitting there going Jerry is
still gonna be Jerry. Jerry having his own press conference
is the most Jerry Jones thing ever. Jerry Jones used
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really bad judgment. Don't tweet when you're angry, don't shop
when you're hungry, and don't have a press conference after
losing a hard fought road game in the middle of
your season just because you're disappointed. Don't don't start to
take out in the coaching staff, even if the coaching
staff blew it. What was the win and what you
did you created undo pressure. Pressure already existed, but now
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a lack of buy in from ownership causes questions from players.
Doesn't help your cause. And Jerry's trying to back pedal
as quickly as he can. You know, we're not gonna
make changes right now. Well, yeah, dude, that would be dumb.
But you you kind of made it seem like you
got badly out coached and you were super embarrassed by it.
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And how many times and and how many times, um
would you? How many times would you do that every
time they lose to a playoff team? You you say
something about the coaches, right, Like, the only thing that's
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more fanboy is to blame the refs or the goodell ry.
I didn't say you had to blame yourself. You don't
have to actually blame anybody. Sometimes you're somebody has to win,
somebody has to lose. You could say, hey, I'm sure
there's some decisions we would we'd like to make that
are different. But simply saying like it's it's go to
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the playbook. It's the coach's fault, like all right, especially
when you haven't seen the game film yet and you
don't necessarily know exactly what each player was supposed to do.
And this is why every other owner doesn't do it.
Name me another owner that doesn't. Al Davis is no
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longer of this earth. He used to do some of it.
Name me somebody else. Well, he's a football guy, like,
all right, right, But if the owner starts calling out
the coaches d all of a sudden, all the players like, wait, what,
there's a chain of command in sports. And when you
upset the chain of command, right, when when the commander
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comes in and starts barking around and saying that the
general who's in charge of screwing up and not blaming
the people underneath the general or blaming anyone and you know, publicly.
Think about what that does in the military, all right,
think about what that does. Think about what it does
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it in your workplace, like you're the big boss comes
to the CEO comes in and says, I don't know
that your managers here just they have no idea what
they're doing. That also the salesforces, like, well, the the
CEO doesn't think the manageable, why should I listen to him?
You know what the hell he's doing? Like, these guys
are grown ups. I know that on some level there's
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a percentage of us who think they're football players are like,
oh I played football, Eat meat. But most of them
are bright human beings, college degrees and they have a
real sense they have for social jiu jitsu, right, They
understand the powers that be and how to play off
it when the when the owner says the coach doesn't
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know what he's doing, what's your level of confidence going
to be? And what the coach has in the weeks
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You know, look, I am a defender of Mason Rudolph,
the person I cannot defend his play and the Duck
Hodges thing is is is super interesting to see if
it works out. You have any problem with Mike Tomlin
benching Mason Rudolph, No, I don't. Um. You know, that's
that's a pretty stable organization, Doug that I think makes
the the right call more often than not. And they
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gave Mason plenty of time. This wasn't a game, this
wasn't a half, this wasn't two games. They gave him
a big chunk of time and opportunity. This season. The
defense got better around him. That old line is a
really solid group, and I think unfortunately for Mason, it
just didn't ascend right. When you're a young player, they'll
live with some ups and downs, but ultimately you want
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to see that arrow going up, and I think over
the last two to three weeks it was going the
other way. And in that organization as quality as they
are through and through from the top down, They're going
to give the other guy the opportunity to see if
he can ascend. All right, let's let's talk what everybody's
talking about, which is Lamar Jackson. And obviously they've gone
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all in, which is different because other other other teams
have takered with it, and even Greg Roman in San Francisco,
you know, they ran some of this stuff, but ultimately
they wanted to make their guy into a quote unquote
NFL quarterback and run an NFL offense. It feels like
the Ravens commitment to this is at a at a
at a higher level in terms of their commitment than
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any team previously. Is that accurate? Yeah, I would, I
would agree with that. And you know, my my co
host and I'm oh co host, My Salk here in Seattle.
We take our podcast today and and he and I
were talking about it. I don't remember. I don't know
if at the time you were speaking to this in
the same way. But when Tim Tebow became a starter
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in Denver, I remember Salk and I say, a man,
can you imagine can you imagine if they just go
all in and then then they just say, you know what,
we're going to build around Tebow's skill set. You know,
he's not a great passer, but he is the most
physical quarterback that we've seen. His Heisman Trophy year in
two thousand seven, he had over fifty total touchdowns, and
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you know, and then he went to Denver and and
you know, maybe unlike Mason Rudolph in some ways, Kim
over the course of that year got better, to the
point that they beat Pittsburgh Steelers in the home playoff game.
And and I remember saying the stalk like, wouldn't it
be fun if they just went all in and they
just went for fullbacks, and they went for a big lineman,
and they and they went for a power run game,
and they really played off Tim's pretty incredible physical skill
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set to run the football and nothing like Lamar. I mean,
he's he's the thunder to Lamar's lightning. But the guy
was unbelievably productive, was Tim Tebow as a college player.
And and then ultimately they said, no, he is just
such an underwhelming pastor. He is so grossly inaccurate. It's
just not gonna work. And and they move on from him,
and Tim obviously moves on from the NFL, and and
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you know, never never makes it happen the way that
Bill Lamar is this year. But I think it is awesome.
I mean, play to that guy's skill set, surrounds him
with the right supporting cast and Doug. I remember doing
one of Lamar Jackson's very first college games, and they
played at Florida State. They had made the move to
Lamar that year as a young player, I want to say,
maybe even a red shirt freshman or a true sophomore.
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And I remember when the offensive coordinator walked in the
room that day in Tallahassee, he just had this twinkle
in his eye and he just looked at me. And
at that time it was Bob with Shusan and Alison Williams,
and he's like, wait till you see this kid. He
is so fast. We've never seen anything like this guy.
And I don't want to speak hyperbole, but and he's
not going to be perfect, and he's going to throw
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it all over the place. And he did that first
year as a starter at at in Louisville. But man,
was he the fastest player on that field that day
in Tallahassee. And somehow, some way, remarkably, Doug he is
still the fastest player on any given Sunday or Monday
or Thursday primetime game. He's playing in the NFL right now.
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That's the voice of Brock Heward NFL analysts to Fox
College football analysts Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Okay,
but then we have seen Cam Newton be the m
v P and some of the numbers, and I know
that he's a different type of athlete. Whereas Cam is
huge and has a huge arm um like Lamar at
times can have you know, spots of you know, can
be inaccurate, but he's not as elusive as as Lamar
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in LaVar is, but you know, injuries have absolutely depleted him.
And and look even Mike Vick. I think Mike Vick,
by his own estimation, didn't have the work ethic. But
also remember he had the broken leg that ultimately derailed him.
He's had some some issues. I guess the question becomes
how long can you play this way? Yeah? I think
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that is a very fair question. And I think we
all got to be a little bit careful to jump
to just this this huge hyperboleeve that this guy is
going to change the game and the system is going
to change the game. And ten more teams are gonna
be run first in their mentality, because let's face it,
look at the NFL draft board this year. How many
guys are coming out like Lamar Jackson? Is Joe Burrow
like Lamar Jackson? Uh no is to a tongue of
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bloa and Justin Herbert, Actually no, Jalen Hurts down at Oklahoma.
He loves to run, there's no question, but he follows
probably a little bit more on that Cam Newton side
of physicality and Tim Tebow side of physicality. Wanting to
run the ball that way. Maybe a little bit more elusive,
but certainly much more in the Cam Newton vane. And
you know, this becomes a legitimate question is how long
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is this sustainable? How long can you be durable? Running
backs in this league don't make it to thirty They
just they just don't. The kind of pounding they take
and running between the tackles. Quarterbacks are going to be
protected in this league in ways they never had before.
And there and I think is some of the brilliance
of the Baltimore Ravens to say this game is different,
it's officiated different. Quarterbacks are more protected than they were
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in Michael Vick's era than they were even in Cam
Newton's era five years ago. You can't hit him like
you used to be able to hit him. So I
think that that sustainability and that durability can can push.
But to think that he can run with this style
into his thirties, that's probably not gonna happen. But man,
while he's fresh and he's young, and he's in his prime,
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this is sure some kind of fun to watch. That's
always a brock here in former NFL quarterbacks Doug otlip
Show on Fox Sports Trade, I do you want to
get to college in a second, But Jared Goff has
he regressed? Is it people catching up to Sean McVeigh?
Is it the line? Why did he go from a
guy who led a team to a super Bowl and
like shouldn't be lost, like they had some big boy
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drives on the way to that Super Bowl to one
who many are losing confidence in. Yeah, to answer your
your questions, it's yes, yes, and yes there's folks that
have caught up to that system. There's no question about it.
The Bears, I think, as Booger rightfully said last night,
the Bears began some of that blueprint Um a season
ago in a primetime game, and many others that have
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run with it to a degree, all a little bit
different and based on their defensive personnel. But yes, I
don't think that that system is surprising anybody. Most importantly,
the personnel of the Rams has changed. Jet Oline is
not very good. Uh. They were elite, They were the
best in the league. They man handled people, They destroyed
the edges of defenses, they owned the edge of the
line of scrimmage. And in so doing we're able then
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to set up the JetSuite, been able to set up
the outside stretch, enable to set up the screen game
and all the plethora of play action passes that came
off of that, and that put Jared Goff in a
position where he could and his strengths could be accentuated.
And right now he's not in that position. Right now,
that offense is surprising no one right now that often
to line cannot win on the edges, and it's crippling
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some of the scheme. And then Jared Goss, you know,
if he's got to be a creator, and he's got
to be like Russell Wilson, or he's got to be
like Lamar Jackson and he's got to create, and he's
got extend, and he's got to make the extraordinary happen.
That's not him, that is not his skill set, even
though he's being paid very very handsomely. So yes, yes,
and yes, I think all of those matters have jumped
up on on both Jared individually and certainly collectively on
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that team. Douglas Show on Fox Sports Radio, What happened Oregon?
I I knew that one. I since that one was coming.
Doug A. Wheat chatted last Tuesday. I would have told you,
as I told some others, that there's a reason teams
have never gone nine and oh in conference play. That
over the course of a season, and that group got
beat up. That group is a little bit undersized. That
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group lost the pass rusher, that group lost the tight end,
that group lost a running back, that group lost a
backup linebacker. And you know, you just go through the
course of a grueling season in this conference and oh,
by the way, a road trip to Washington, a road
trip to USC you empty the tank. You know, kind
of like Mike Tyson's punch out back in the day,
where you know you owned it and I know you
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beat Mike Tyson at the very end, just like I did.
You got through Soda Pop Pinski and the Bowl and
the rest of them. Uh, that energy meter just started
to get depleted and started to get depleted. And when
injuries happened and your team is not huge and deep
and physical like Ohio State or like Clemson, that energy
meter goes down. And while you could pick it up,
once it goes down and it starts to get drained,
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it's really hard on the road to get off the map.
And that was a dangerous, dangerous animal they had to
deal with with nothing to lose, losers of four in
a row, a scheme defensively that I knew would present
issues to a very basic run game and a very
basic offensive scheme, and it did all of that. And honestly, Doug,
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that was not an enormous surprise to me. Okay, So
what does this mean for Utah? Uh? This is this
is Utah's this is their their conference to one. I
think they're gonna throttle Colorado. I think they've got a
quarterback that should be in New York City. Uh. You know,
if I have to cast my ballot today, I think
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he's on my ballot. Um he's not number one on
my ballot, but he's on my ballot as Tyler Huntley.
I love the kids. He's an absolute freaking warrior. That's
that's elevated that team. I was chatting with one back
twelve coach here recently and he said, you know, it's amazing.
There really are like eleven of us that could win
or lose to anybody, and then there's Utah, and Utah
is built to do it this year. Seven seniors on defense. Uh,
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They've got the most Senior Bowl invites of anybody, and
it's not even close. I think they've got six kids
right now committed to go into that game, five of
them on the defensive side of the ball down at
the reeseas Senior Bowls. So they are locked and loaded.
This is their conference to win. I think they should
get after that Oregon team that I just got done
talking about, who also will have a challenging time matching
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up with their defensive scheme and power and strength and
and if they run the table and they passed the
eye test and they dominate the way they've dominated the
last two weeks, I would have no problem based on
what's going to happen around them. If they had to
match up with one of the three three other heavyweights
in the semifinals. Brock kind of quickly here, does Michigan
have a chance again? Do you think they can beat
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Ohio State? I don't think they can beat them, but
I think they have a chance. The way the QBS playing,
the way their offense has ascended this year, Doug, the
confidence are playing with on that side, it should be
a better game than it's been here recently. Are you
okay with people saying this is the most talented Ohio
State team they've ever had? Oh? Oh, I'm not okay
with that. I went to the Horseshoe as a true
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freshman and Big Daddy and Eddie George and people for
Terry Glan and Corey Stringer, and uh no, I'm not.
I'm not comfortable saying that it's it's locked and load
in the most talented roster in college football this season,
from top to bottom. But I don't know if I
can say that ever. Yeah, we we we do this.
We're prone to hyperbole. Were prisoners at the moment, and
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we do have people covering the sport that you know,
they don't they haven't been covering it the whole time. Now,
look some of the old timers, it's we start going
Johnny lu Jack and okay, okay, but you know even
in modern football, you know, like I don't know how
we compare to as you point out Terry Glenn and
Eddie George, I mean Corey Stringer on on one team
they've had they've had some dudes there and they just
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they have dudes there there this year. Where are you
this weekend? This weekend, I am in your old neck
of the woods man, we actually have all the Yeah,
we'll do the Friday game at Texas Tech and Texas Okay,
we get to travel up to Bedlams Saturday night, ma'am.
All right, you you private jetting it? How are you?
How are you going from Lubbock to still Water? There's
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no direct flights going through Dallas. Actually through Dallas you
can get the still Water. Yeah, we're in Austin. It's
actually at Texas in the forecast, so if there's thunderstorms,
we're gonna be like John Candy and uh, I'll grab
the headset. In the meantime, Uh, text me when you
get in. We'll be doing Thanksgiving up there and I'll
be your Hucklebart, I'll be there there for you. We'll
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ang a little bit. I love it. Sounds good. Doug
uh uh Doug Gotlib show on Fox. Portraits Brock, you
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We got a star studded lineup. Hope you're having a
great great day. UH. Duck Hodges named quarterback name quarterback
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of the Pittsburgh Steelers of course his name is actually
Devlin Hodges, but everybody calls him Duck because he wanted
Duck calling championship back in the day. That's that's just
that story gets better every single day. I'll admit it.
He's gonna win it, and I'm not sure it's gonna
be all that close. It doesn't actually mean that he's
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the best quarterback, But in terms of value, I find
it really hard to find anybody who's provided more value
and energy and attention in a positive sense than what
Lamar Jackson has done to the Baltimore Ravens. Five touchdown
passes last night. They ran it, they threw it. They
completely and totally obliterated the L A Rams, obliterated the
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L A Rams. He can you continues to say and
do all the right thing. Asked about the m v
P after the game, and he said, I'm just trying
to win a super Bowl. There's the clip of John
Harbaugh talking about how you're going to change the position,
and he said, I just want my team to win.
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It's possible he's Mike Vick with work ethic. It's possible
he's Mike Vick without hangers on who bring him down.
It's possible that he's a faster, better version, though smaller
than Cam Newton. But I would warn you we have
seen this before. Cam Newton was the MVP the league.
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Cam Newton was the most Valuable player in the National
Football League. And this is just going back four years ago.
Here's the eerie similarities. Two thousand fifteen, the Carolina Panthers
were second in rush yards, first in rushing. The two
thousand nineteen Ravens first in rush yards and touchdowns. The
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two thousand nineteen Panthers are first in points per game.
The two thousand fifteen Panthers first in points per game.
The two thousand nineteen Ravens second red zone offense, two
thousand fifteen Panthers second red zone offense. The Ravens were
nineteenth or nineteenth in passing. The Panthers were twenty four
in passing. Now, Lamar Jackson has completed a higher percentage
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of his balls sixty seven and fifty nine, but both
throwing about eight yards per attempt. Lamar's t d s
five interceptions in the m v P year, Cam Newton
thirty five and ten. Cam Newton ten rushing tds that year.
Lamar Jackson on pace for that was six already Lamar
Jackson averaging twenty seven past attempts per game, Cam Newton
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thirty during the two thousand fifteen campaign, eleven rush attempts
per game for Lamar Jackson, eight rush a tempts per
game for Cam Newton. The numbers weren't stunning, right, won
sixty nine five touchdowns ninety five yards rushing. That's because
the defense just completely choked off any hope for the
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l A Rams. And that's because the defense is fifth
in points per game, fifth and interceptions tied from fourth,
and turnover margin and fifth, lowest time per drive. You
want to know something interesting, the two thousand and fifteen
Panthers six and points per game first, interceptions first, and
turnover margin first, and lowest UH time per drive in
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the National Football League. In other words, their teams built
on kicking game, defense, running the football, and their quarterback
is playing an exceptionally high level in addition to the
fact that the defense and special teams is putting them
in prime position and the running game is leaving it
so that they're not doing second and third and long.
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We have seen this before, and though I made a mistake,
Mike Vick wasn an m v P. We've seen him
dominate the league before. We've seen Vince Young, we've sent
team Tim Tebow. We've seen Deshaun Watson before he tore
his as. We've seen r G three in a similar
type of offense. Now, I want to point this out, Okay,
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I don't think he has the off the field flaws
of Mike Vick. And Mike Vick he has said this
many times over, so I'm not making this up. He
has said I didn't work at it, and Lamar clearly
has worked at it. Lamar's what Mike Vick probably could
have been, and maybe even better. Right and Cam Newton.
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Cam Newton, of course, though he worked at it all right,
Cam Newton's also somebody who was injury prone. And to
this point, Lamar Jackson hasn't been hurt. That that's the
big question is when people start to figure it out,
the big question is will he get hit? Will he
get hurt? And over a fifteen wenty game stretch so far,
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he's been dynamic. Now, to the Baltimore Ravens fans who
think we all missed it, I'll only point out you
bowed him off the field last year during the playoff
game they lost to the Chargers. We didn't, you did.
I would say the guy who should be the most
bent out of shape, the guy who should be most upset,
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is Colin Kaepernick today, because that could have been him.
The Ravens wanted to sign him, wanted to talk to him.
His girlfriend sent out a meme which, like in the
owner of the Ravens to the slave owner and Django unchained.
The offensive coordinaer then, is the same offensive coordinator now,
Greg Roman, who was his offensive coordineer with the Rams.
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With it, what's give me with the Niners? By the way,
We've seen this before then, and remember people caught up
to it and Kaepernick got hurt. Vince Young was brought
down by his own lack of work eth think the
off the field issues. Mike Vick was brought down by
lack of work ethic, off the field issues, inaccuracy as
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a quarterback, Cam Newton injuries and inaccuracy. So we've seen
this before. The only difference today is I'll admit that
guy's taken the league by storm, and I have no
if this is a one hit wonder and this is
the only year which he wins an m v P.
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I still don't think any less of him. This is
what I think of one hit wonders in music. At
least they had one hit. That's one more hit than
of the bands and musicians out there. But we have
been waiting for thirty years, and really the last fifteen
years where this type of offense, kind of a combination
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of zone read, triple option and quarterbacks that can run
and throw would make it and stick in the NFL.
Guys have made it before, they have been unable to
stick for a myriad of reasons. This may be the
best chance because this is arguably the best franchise and
the most cohesive franchise. And when the Niners had it,
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when the ninth one, they didn't fully commit to this style.
They tried to make Kaepernick into more of a true
pocket passer, and there was Trent Balky and Jim Harball
and they couldn't get along. You have John Hardball, Greg Roman,
a new general manager, and everyone seems to be pulling
in the right direction, along with the defense, which is
fully committed to a quarterback who is fully committed to
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not being a superstar, not being as Cam Newton would
point out, some sort of fashionista an icon or Cam
Newton said he wanted to be bigger than football. Lamar
Jackson's never said any of that. He just wants to
win and be a part of a great team. But
we've seen it before with Cam, and injuries ultimately brought
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him down. I would point out, in addition to the
dysfunction in the between the front office and coaching staff
and his own, his own inability to relate to teammates. Right,
the real reason Klin Kaepernick, remember what bench was he
wasn't playing well, he was injured, and he couldn't relate
to teammates. That's not this dude. This guy is one
that's beloved by his teammates. It's the best possible chance
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of it working, and it's absolutely working right now. Long term,
we'll see, we'll see. It's really hard to last in
this league because generally you don't get faster everyone else does.
But I will admit when I'm wrong. And though I
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could point out that, I mean, what are the Seahawks
without Russell Wilson? Right? I actually think the Ravens are
a hell of a football team. Good defense, good running game,
good special teams, well coached. You know, do I think
they have. They're the best or second best team in
the NFL without Lamar Jackson. I do not, but it's
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still a good team. I'm not sure the Seahawks are
particularly good team without Russell Wilson. I'm not sure that
the Packers without I mean, we've seen the Packers in
the past without Aaron Rodgers. Need I say more so
if we're trying to establish true value. But over the
past four games against four teams with winning records, they've
won by a hundred and four combined points. They're kicking
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everybody's ass and taking names. And he's the biggest reason why.
And so I'll admit when I'm wrong. Didn't think he
was gonna be the m v P going back couple
weeks ago. Now I do. And is it fair to
question the longevity of the success? Absolutely? Why, because we
use history as our guide. But man, however long this
lasts pretty fun to watch in it. Be sure to
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catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. You know,
if if the Ravens are interesting now because the first
time they won the Super Bowl. It was cap Hell,
which ultimately brought them down. Right, cap Hell ultimately brought
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them down. They had to pick and choose who they
wanted to keep, and they had to jettison others. And
we're talking about the Rams and the Ravens last night.
This is going back to two thousand when the when
the Ravens had arguably next to the you know, the
Bears are the two best defenses we've ever seen, right,
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and so it was it really was cap Hell that
brought them down. And um, what's fascinating about the Rams?
What makes you great? You know, maybe here's even better comparison.
There was a time when NASCAR and the NHL were
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on fire. Do you remember that NASCAR was on fire?
And they expanded and they have the race in California,
which is really like it's Fontana, okay, which is you know,
Fontana's inland. People think of l A. It's not anywhere
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near Hollywood's Hollywood types would come out. But they expanded,
you know, and they're in Phoenix and there and there
and there and there, and this is what happened to
the NHL. They went to Atlanta, they went to Phoenix
right when Great Ski went to l A. They took
the Minnesota North Stars and put them in Dallas and
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they became the Dallas Stars. Do you guys remember this.
This is like nineties into early two thousand nineties. Those
sports were on fire. The NFL was not. The NFL
actually left Los Angeles, two different teams left. What's the
core of what makes the NHL great. They have an
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unbelievably fervent fan base in New York, Boston, Philly, Detroit,
and in Canada. Right, that's the core of who they are.
In NASCAR, the core of who they are is the
South parts of the Midwest. But in the South, it
literally started like Daytona literally started them racing on the
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beach with like bootleg cars that were just put together,
Like that's how it started. Races like Talladega, races like
Bristol Motor Speedway under the lights. And what happened was
they got away from the core of what made them special.
And we all do this in all sports and all businesses.
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Because you want to expand have a more diverse portfolio,
you get tapped out in turns out how much money
you can make from that certain market. Right. The NFL
now obviously is trying to play in London, they're trying.
They want play in China, they want to play in Mexico.
Why we're kind of tapped out here. But you gotta
you gotta remain true to your core fans. The NFL
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found this out. You started too many windows and too
many games, Like yeah, waters down the product by having
the Rams. What made the Rams great, awesome offensive line,
great running game. Jared Goff was much more comfortable using
play action, and they had been developed over and kind
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of like honestly, kind of like the Niners, where they
were always held back by quarterback play and maybe coaching.
But you draft that high in the draft, you do
pretty well, and you draft in the interior lineman for
enough time, you're gonna build up a really really good
set of talent. And the Rams were always a quarterback
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away and an offensive mind. Way last year they had
the offensive mind which helped develop the quarterback and they
went to a Super Bowl. Then they let Roger Staffold
walk in free agency. He's with the Titans. They let
John Sullivan walking free agency is still a free agency.
They think he's washed. Andrew Whitworth considered retirement and he's
been playing like a guy who probably should have retired,
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really good player, had some left when he left Cincinnati,
and now he's kind of done. And they replaced him
with rookies that they drafted right because they couldn't afford
to go and get legit dudes or to keep legit dudes.
So now they can't run the ball. They get the
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lowest graded offensive one lowest grade offensive line in the NFL,
and Jared Goff, because you can't play action, has suffered
because of it. In November, five interceptions, no touchdowns. He
doesn't look comfortable. And of course they overinvested in Jared Goff,
which look, if you think you have a franchise quarterback
and you can get him at thirty million dollars a year,
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you get cost certainty, you don't have to worry about it.
Most GM is like, yeah, i'll take it. It's fine.
But between getting arguably the best defensive lineman in football,
overpaying for a wide receiver, overpaying for running back, over
playing for a quarterback, you put so many of your
resources in those four baskets that there's not enough left
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spread around, and they got away from their core business,
which was running the football, playing behind a monstrous offensive
line play action was the benefit of it. Rams were great.
Now they're not because they got away from their core.
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That happened to the NHL, right, and what the NHL do.
Atlanta went away, they went back. Now they're back in Winnipeg.
You know, they spend more time paying more attention to
their core audience. Remember they had the long lockout and
they changed the salary structure or whatever. You know what.
Though long term growth though it doesn't spike like the
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NBA contracts, then he tells a very very healthy business.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show we days at three p m. Easterre
noon Pacific. I really didn't like what Jerry Jones said
after Sunday's loss to the Cowboys, and I he not
only backtracked, but I think contextualized things today. Let me first,
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this is Jerry Jones after the game on Sunday. I
don't think there's a game that a coaching staff has
areas that it wouldn't couldn't do better. And I just
uh don't like it that we've got so many as
I'm standing here tonight. So the point is that I'm
just really frustrated with I thought we could come up
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here and really uh put together a better effort on
all three phases. Um, I expect us to play well
against them defensively, so we got what I think we
should have expected out of our defense. And but the
other phases of the game, we we've got a uh.
We can't come up here and play by path other
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phases of the game. Now, look, their special teams have
been a after all season long. That obviously up and
bit them. Um. He wasn't wrong for what he wasn't
wrong for what he said. It wasn't wrong for what
he said, but the time and the places is wrong.
You lose a game, and Jerry Jones says he's a
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football guy, and football guys have to know that there
are times in which, in any team sport, but specifically football,
you don't say boo about coaches, players, whatever, And having
your own postgame press conference does just that wrong A
wrong time, wrong place. So Jerry didn't backtrack, but he
did kind of contextualize anybody who thinks that that his
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head coaches on his way out, now take a listen
to him earlier today. The answer is no period. But
you know I sit there and watch games. I watched games,
and I look at, uh, every aspect of it, since
I put the coaches out there, since I put the
players out there at the end of the day with
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a lot of help and with a collaborative effort. But
at the end of the day, the buck stops with me,
and I am highly critical and I'm continually evaluating the
performance of everybody involved with the game. Yeah, so he's saying, like, look,
I'm just telling you he's gonna be gone at the
end of the year if things don't change. The crazy
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thing is we are so results based, Like I've heard
people Chris Sims came on that, hey, unless they get
to the n C Champiship Game, unless they get to
the Super Bowl, unless they do this unless like wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait. I thought Jason Garrett
did a hell of a job a couple of years
ago when Dez Bryant appeared to catch to catch the
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football right, didn't catch it. It wasn't rule to catch.
But remember they survived the Detroit Lions in the first
round of the playoffs, could have beaten the Green Bay
Packers on the road. That was a fourth down throw
they didn't. I just don't think you can be results oriented.
I think the Cowboys will be. It will be a hey,
if we don't get we don't win a playoff game,
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he's out. They win two playoff games, He's definitely gonna
stays one enough. What's amazing, though, is with every postgame comment,
and some of it it's confirmation bias, some of it
is the reality of what he's doing. With every postgame comment,
people who would think of maybe coaching them like this
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whole Hey, we're gonna hire irv Meyer. Do you think
v Meyer wants wants the owner after the game that
postgame press conference and go like, hey, well we didn't
like the play call and and how the like No, no, no,
that's not how those guys roll. Even Jerry, even Jerry
Jones with his well you know, I ran into Bill
Belichick at a ski resort when he got fired by
the Cowboys, and Dude, Bill Belichick, you really think he
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would have been cool with you and the postgame pressers. No,
it's not happening. So I think this is a good thing, which,
by the way, is what he should have said at
after the game on Sunday. Like after the game on Sunday,
you go like, hey, is disappointing. I'm sure we're gonna
look at the tape and see some coach. You're gonna
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see some things they would have like done differently. I'm
sure the players are going to see some things. But
this is not the end of the world. This is
not the end of the season. It's a hard loss
in a hard place that we probably we we walk
away thinking we should have won the game and we didn't,
and hopefully we'll get a chance to see them in
Miami and the super Bowl. That's the answer you should
And if not, like what about Jason Garrett, Like, hey,
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when I'm makingame decisions in mid year, so what we're
doing here? I mean firing him mid season? Who are
you gonna hire as your interim coach? Your offensive coordinators?
Thirty you, who are you gonna hire? You know, there's
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six and five with the Eagles at five and six,
it's their division to lose. Do you think they're gonna
make a mid season coaching change. I mean, even for
Jerry Jones, that would be too much, too much. So
I think this is common sense, but I think he
(22:24):
lacked common sense in um in in the things that
he said on Sunday, And here there's some confirmation bias
in that other people are sitting there going Jerry is
still gonna be Jerry. Jerry having his own press conference
is the most Jerry Jones thing ever. Jerry Jones used
(22:48):
really bad judgment. Don't tweet when you're angry, don't shop
when you're hungry, and don't have a press conference after
losing a hard fought road game in the middle of
your season just because you're disappointed. Don't don't start to
take out in the coaching staff, even if the coaching
staff blew it. What was the win and what you
did you created undo pressure. Pressure already existed, but now
(23:12):
a lack of buy in from ownership causes questions from players.
Doesn't help your cause. And Jerry's trying to back pedal
as quickly as he can. You know, we're not gonna
make changes right now. Well, yeah, dude, that would be dumb.
But you you kind of made it seem like you
got badly out coached and you were super embarrassed by it.
(23:33):
And how many times and and how many times, um
would you? How many times would you do that every
time they lose to a playoff team? You you say
something about the coaches, right, Like, the only thing that's
(23:53):
more fanboy is to blame the refs or the goodell ry.
I didn't say you had to blame yourself. You don't
have to actually blame anybody. Sometimes you're somebody has to win,
somebody has to lose. You could say, hey, I'm sure
there's some decisions we would we'd like to make that
are different. But simply saying like it's it's go to
(24:17):
the playbook. It's the coach's fault, like all right, especially
when you haven't seen the game film yet and you
don't necessarily know exactly what each player was supposed to do.
And this is why every other owner doesn't do it.
Name me another owner that doesn't. Al Davis is no
(24:40):
longer of this earth. He used to do some of it.
Name me somebody else. Well, he's a football guy, like,
all right, right, But if the owner starts calling out
the coaches d all of a sudden, all the players like, wait, what,
there's a chain of command in sports. And when you
upset the chain of command, right, when when the commander
(25:03):
comes in and starts barking around and saying that the
general who's in charge of screwing up and not blaming
the people underneath the general or blaming anyone and you know, publicly.
Think about what that does in the military, all right,
think about what that does. Think about what it does
(25:23):
it in your workplace, like you're the big boss comes
to the CEO comes in and says, I don't know
that your managers here just they have no idea what
they're doing. That also the salesforces, like, well, the the
CEO doesn't think the manageable, why should I listen to him?
You know what the hell he's doing? Like, these guys
are grown ups. I know that on some level there's
(25:47):
a percentage of us who think they're football players are like,
oh I played football, Eat meat. But most of them
are bright human beings, college degrees and they have a
real sense they have for social jiu jitsu, right, They
understand the powers that be and how to play off
it when the when the owner says the coach doesn't
(26:08):
know what he's doing, what's your level of confidence going
to be? And what the coach has in the weeks
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(26:29):
You know, look, I am a defender of Mason Rudolph,
the person I cannot defend his play and the Duck
Hodges thing is is is super interesting to see if
it works out. You have any problem with Mike Tomlin
benching Mason Rudolph, No, I don't. Um. You know, that's
that's a pretty stable organization, Doug that I think makes
the the right call more often than not. And they
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gave Mason plenty of time. This wasn't a game, this
wasn't a half, this wasn't two games. They gave him
a big chunk of time and opportunity. This season. The
defense got better around him. That old line is a
really solid group, and I think unfortunately for Mason, it
just didn't ascend right. When you're a young player, they'll
live with some ups and downs, but ultimately you want
(27:12):
to see that arrow going up, and I think over
the last two to three weeks it was going the
other way. And in that organization as quality as they
are through and through from the top down, They're going
to give the other guy the opportunity to see if
he can ascend. All right, let's let's talk what everybody's
talking about, which is Lamar Jackson. And obviously they've gone
(27:33):
all in, which is different because other other other teams
have takered with it, and even Greg Roman in San Francisco,
you know, they ran some of this stuff, but ultimately
they wanted to make their guy into a quote unquote
NFL quarterback and run an NFL offense. It feels like
the Ravens commitment to this is at a at a
at a higher level in terms of their commitment than
(27:55):
any team previously. Is that accurate? Yeah, I would, I
would agree with that. And you know, my my co
host and I'm oh co host, My Salk here in Seattle.
We take our podcast today and and he and I
were talking about it. I don't remember. I don't know
if at the time you were speaking to this in
the same way. But when Tim Tebow became a starter
(28:15):
in Denver, I remember Salk and I say, a man,
can you imagine can you imagine if they just go
all in and then then they just say, you know what,
we're going to build around Tebow's skill set. You know,
he's not a great passer, but he is the most
physical quarterback that we've seen. His Heisman Trophy year in
two thousand seven, he had over fifty total touchdowns, and
(28:35):
you know, and then he went to Denver and and
you know, maybe unlike Mason Rudolph in some ways, Kim
over the course of that year got better, to the
point that they beat Pittsburgh Steelers in the home playoff game.
And and I remember saying the stalk like, wouldn't it
be fun if they just went all in and they
just went for fullbacks, and they went for a big lineman,
and they and they went for a power run game,
and they really played off Tim's pretty incredible physical skill
(28:57):
set to run the football and nothing like Lamar. I mean,
he's he's the thunder to Lamar's lightning. But the guy
was unbelievably productive, was Tim Tebow as a college player.
And and then ultimately they said, no, he is just
such an underwhelming pastor. He is so grossly inaccurate. It's
just not gonna work. And and they move on from him,
and Tim obviously moves on from the NFL, and and
(29:18):
you know, never never makes it happen the way that
Bill Lamar is this year. But I think it is awesome.
I mean, play to that guy's skill set, surrounds him
with the right supporting cast and Doug. I remember doing
one of Lamar Jackson's very first college games, and they
played at Florida State. They had made the move to
Lamar that year as a young player, I want to say,
maybe even a red shirt freshman or a true sophomore.
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And I remember when the offensive coordinator walked in the
room that day in Tallahassee, he just had this twinkle
in his eye and he just looked at me. And
at that time it was Bob with Shusan and Alison Williams,
and he's like, wait till you see this kid. He
is so fast. We've never seen anything like this guy.
And I don't want to speak hyperbole, but and he's
not going to be perfect, and he's going to throw
(30:01):
it all over the place. And he did that first
year as a starter at at in Louisville. But man,
was he the fastest player on that field that day
in Tallahassee. And somehow, some way, remarkably, Doug he is
still the fastest player on any given Sunday or Monday
or Thursday primetime game. He's playing in the NFL right now.
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That's the voice of Brock Heward NFL analysts to Fox
College football analysts Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Okay,
but then we have seen Cam Newton be the m
v P and some of the numbers, and I know
that he's a different type of athlete. Whereas Cam is
huge and has a huge arm um like Lamar at
times can have you know, spots of you know, can
be inaccurate, but he's not as elusive as as Lamar
(30:46):
in LaVar is, but you know, injuries have absolutely depleted him.
And and look even Mike Vick. I think Mike Vick,
by his own estimation, didn't have the work ethic. But
also remember he had the broken leg that ultimately derailed him.
He's had some some issues. I guess the question becomes
how long can you play this way? Yeah? I think
(31:07):
that is a very fair question. And I think we
all got to be a little bit careful to jump
to just this this huge hyperboleeve that this guy is
going to change the game and the system is going
to change the game. And ten more teams are gonna
be run first in their mentality, because let's face it,
look at the NFL draft board this year. How many
guys are coming out like Lamar Jackson? Is Joe Burrow
like Lamar Jackson? Uh no is to a tongue of
(31:29):
bloa and Justin Herbert, Actually no, Jalen Hurts down at Oklahoma.
He loves to run, there's no question, but he follows
probably a little bit more on that Cam Newton side
of physicality and Tim Tebow side of physicality. Wanting to
run the ball that way. Maybe a little bit more elusive,
but certainly much more in the Cam Newton vane. And
you know, this becomes a legitimate question is how long
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is this sustainable? How long can you be durable? Running
backs in this league don't make it to thirty They
just they just don't. The kind of pounding they take
and running between the tackles. Quarterbacks are going to be
protected in this league in ways they never had before.
And there and I think is some of the brilliance
of the Baltimore Ravens to say this game is different,
it's officiated different. Quarterbacks are more protected than they were
(32:15):
in Michael Vick's era than they were even in Cam
Newton's era five years ago. You can't hit him like
you used to be able to hit him. So I
think that that sustainability and that durability can can push.
But to think that he can run with this style
into his thirties, that's probably not gonna happen. But man,
while he's fresh and he's young, and he's in his prime,
(32:36):
this is sure some kind of fun to watch. That's
always a brock here in former NFL quarterbacks Doug otlip
Show on Fox Sports Trade, I do you want to
get to college in a second, But Jared Goff has
he regressed? Is it people catching up to Sean McVeigh?
Is it the line? Why did he go from a
guy who led a team to a super Bowl and
like shouldn't be lost, like they had some big boy
(32:57):
drives on the way to that Super Bowl to one
who many are losing confidence in. Yeah, to answer your
your questions, it's yes, yes, and yes there's folks that
have caught up to that system. There's no question about it.
The Bears, I think, as Booger rightfully said last night,
the Bears began some of that blueprint Um a season
ago in a primetime game, and many others that have
(33:18):
run with it to a degree, all a little bit
different and based on their defensive personnel. But yes, I
don't think that that system is surprising anybody. Most importantly,
the personnel of the Rams has changed. Jet Oline is
not very good. Uh. They were elite, They were the
best in the league. They man handled people, They destroyed
the edges of defenses, they owned the edge of the
line of scrimmage. And in so doing we're able then
(33:41):
to set up the JetSuite, been able to set up
the outside stretch, enable to set up the screen game
and all the plethora of play action passes that came
off of that, and that put Jared Goff in a
position where he could and his strengths could be accentuated.
And right now he's not in that position. Right now,
that offense is surprising no one right now that often
to line cannot win on the edges, and it's crippling
(34:02):
some of the scheme. And then Jared Goss, you know,
if he's got to be a creator, and he's got
to be like Russell Wilson, or he's got to be
like Lamar Jackson and he's got to create, and he's
got extend, and he's got to make the extraordinary happen.
That's not him, that is not his skill set, even
though he's being paid very very handsomely. So yes, yes,
and yes, I think all of those matters have jumped
up on on both Jared individually and certainly collectively on
(34:25):
that team. Douglas Show on Fox Sports Radio, What happened Oregon?
I I knew that one. I since that one was coming.
Doug A. Wheat chatted last Tuesday. I would have told you,
as I told some others, that there's a reason teams
have never gone nine and oh in conference play. That
over the course of a season, and that group got
beat up. That group is a little bit undersized. That
(34:46):
group lost the pass rusher, that group lost the tight end,
that group lost a running back, that group lost a
backup linebacker. And you know, you just go through the
course of a grueling season in this conference and oh,
by the way, a road trip to Washington, a road
trip to USC you empty the tank. You know, kind
of like Mike Tyson's punch out back in the day,
where you know you owned it and I know you
(35:07):
beat Mike Tyson at the very end, just like I did.
You got through Soda Pop Pinski and the Bowl and
the rest of them. Uh, that energy meter just started
to get depleted and started to get depleted. And when
injuries happened and your team is not huge and deep
and physical like Ohio State or like Clemson, that energy
meter goes down. And while you could pick it up,
once it goes down and it starts to get drained,
(35:28):
it's really hard on the road to get off the map.
And that was a dangerous, dangerous animal they had to
deal with with nothing to lose, losers of four in
a row, a scheme defensively that I knew would present
issues to a very basic run game and a very
basic offensive scheme, and it did all of that. And honestly, Doug,
(35:48):
that was not an enormous surprise to me. Okay, So
what does this mean for Utah? Uh? This is this
is Utah's this is their their conference to one. I
think they're gonna throttle Colorado. I think they've got a
quarterback that should be in New York City. Uh. You know,
if I have to cast my ballot today, I think
(36:08):
he's on my ballot. Um he's not number one on
my ballot, but he's on my ballot as Tyler Huntley.
I love the kids. He's an absolute freaking warrior. That's
that's elevated that team. I was chatting with one back
twelve coach here recently and he said, you know, it's amazing.
There really are like eleven of us that could win
or lose to anybody, and then there's Utah, and Utah
is built to do it this year. Seven seniors on defense. Uh,
(36:32):
They've got the most Senior Bowl invites of anybody, and
it's not even close. I think they've got six kids
right now committed to go into that game, five of
them on the defensive side of the ball down at
the reeseas Senior Bowls. So they are locked and loaded.
This is their conference to win. I think they should
get after that Oregon team that I just got done
talking about, who also will have a challenging time matching
(36:54):
up with their defensive scheme and power and strength and
and if they run the table and they passed the
eye test and they dominate the way they've dominated the
last two weeks, I would have no problem based on
what's going to happen around them. If they had to
match up with one of the three three other heavyweights
in the semifinals. Brock kind of quickly here, does Michigan
have a chance again? Do you think they can beat
(37:14):
Ohio State? I don't think they can beat them, but
I think they have a chance. The way the QBS playing,
the way their offense has ascended this year, Doug, the
confidence are playing with on that side, it should be
a better game than it's been here recently. Are you
okay with people saying this is the most talented Ohio
State team they've ever had? Oh? Oh, I'm not okay
with that. I went to the Horseshoe as a true
(37:34):
freshman and Big Daddy and Eddie George and people for
Terry Glan and Corey Stringer, and uh no, I'm not.
I'm not comfortable saying that it's it's locked and load
in the most talented roster in college football this season,
from top to bottom. But I don't know if I
can say that ever. Yeah, we we we do this.
We're prone to hyperbole. Were prisoners at the moment, and
(37:55):
we do have people covering the sport that you know,
they don't they haven't been covering it the whole time. Now,
look some of the old timers, it's we start going
Johnny lu Jack and okay, okay, but you know even
in modern football, you know, like I don't know how
we compare to as you point out Terry Glenn and
Eddie George, I mean Corey Stringer on on one team
they've had they've had some dudes there and they just
(38:17):
they have dudes there there this year. Where are you
this weekend? This weekend, I am in your old neck
of the woods man, we actually have all the Yeah,
we'll do the Friday game at Texas Tech and Texas Okay,
we get to travel up to Bedlams Saturday night, ma'am.
All right, you you private jetting it? How are you?
How are you going from Lubbock to still Water? There's
(38:37):
no direct flights going through Dallas. Actually through Dallas you
can get the still Water. Yeah, we're in Austin. It's
actually at Texas in the forecast, so if there's thunderstorms,
we're gonna be like John Candy and uh, I'll grab
the headset. In the meantime, Uh, text me when you
get in. We'll be doing Thanksgiving up there and I'll
be your Hucklebart, I'll be there there for you. We'll
(39:00):
ang a little bit. I love it. Sounds good. Doug
uh uh Doug Gotlib show on Fox. Portraits Brock, you
are a great college football analist,
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