Are the Patriots still Super Bowl contenders?

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is dead. Plus you're here from Tren Dofer on The
Dynasty on Monday Night Football on Lamar Jackson, Bruce Feldman
will give us the lowdown on why Chris Peterson walked
away now and if if any of those SEC jobs
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we treat you like you to treat you, man. Do
we have a great show for you? A couple of
things we will get to during the show. Gardner Minshew
is the new starting quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguars again,
but this time Nick Foles is a gonna be a
healthy backup. Uh. Why I'm doing the self pat over

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that one. Chris Peterson resigned head coach of you dub
University of Washington to recharge to recharge. I while why
head coaching and wide receiver in the NFL have a parallel?
We'll get to that. Louisville is a new number one
in college basketball. What's funny about that is I do

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my top ten every week for Fox Sports College Basketball's
coverage and their Twitter handle and their social media, and
I've had Louisville number one the entire year. Looks like
the rest of the world's finally catching up to me.
So um, I mean, and the Eagles, as much as

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we said they had an easy schedule, guess not. Eagles
terribly disappointing. Chargers kind of a joke but lost on
a joke call. And if you look at it, the
Ravens one on kind of a comical call. But why
it signifies to me to me that Lamar Jackson is

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Steph Curry Or we'll get to that. Let's start with
the Patriot, shall we. Patriots get beaten last last night,
and if you didn't watch the entirety of the game,
they did have a chance to get an onside kick
to potentially go down and tie the game. That was
a possibility. That was a possibility. Crazy onside kicks this weekend.

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Did you guys see Atlanta recover essentially three in a row.
One was called off sides and they had to re
kick it. They kick it and get it again, score
a field goal, kick again, and then they get stopped.
The Patriots had they recover the on side kick, which
statistically way harder to do now than it ever has
been before. Um had they recovered it, they were only

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down six and what was a complete blowout? What was
one to nine at the end of the third quarter,
And they kicked that field goal at the end of
the third quarter and at one point it was to nine.
Game was over. But here's what happens. We look at
gross stats and the final stats. Tom Brady throws for

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three six three t ds, one interception, one of those
touchdown packs. He two of those touchdown passes were in
the fourth quarter, and over a hundred and forty yards
of his offense was in the fourth quarter. That's, my friend,
is what you call stat padding and garbage time. Although like, look,

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they did find a way to make it okay if
they were curring this kick, maybe possibly, but James White
had seventy nine yards rushing, most of that was in
the fourth quarter. A team that last year went to
and won a Super Bowl based upon a power running
attack and occasionally landing a haymaker with Gronk or with

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Julian Edelman, now doesn't have Gronk, doesn't seem to have
the ability to dominate running the football. And though they
have Edelman, he's not really He's not really a z
He's not really a go to wide receiver. And I
know many of you are sitting there going like, not
gonna fall for this time, not gonna fall for this time,

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not gonna fall for this time. But what happens when
you actually have a spot on your T shirt? Do
you guys get the reference? You know, the oldest trick
in the book. Somebody looks at your T shirt, You're
gonna get that. You're gonna get that. You're like, I'm
not looking. I'm not looking. You've got me on this

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thing for years. I'm not looking down. I'm not looking down.
I'm not looking down. But what happens when you excuse
yourself to go to the bathroom? Right, you go to
the bathroom, you look at the merr You're like, there's
a spot there. What are the chances the one time?
That's the Patriots? Every run comes to an end. And yeah,

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I think they could beat I think they could beat
the Ravens. I'm not sure if they can't beat the Chiefs,
we'll see this week. I know they were blown out
by the Ravens on the scoreboard, but the game was
a lot closer, and they did move the football extremely
well against the Ravens with the same offense. But man,
when you don't feel like you can score enough points

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to to to beat either of the top other two
teams in your side of the bracket, what makes you
think that you can do it in the playoffs? And
I get they've done this for years and we've yeah,
I I got you, it's Tom Brady, it's Bill Belichick.
They'll figure it out. But at some point it ain't

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next as and ohs, it's Jimmy's and Joe's and they
ain't got the Jimmy's and they ain't got the jos.
I don't want to call death prematurely, but you're sitting
there going like, hospice is sounding actually reasonable. You know anybody,

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and this this will sound callous, but having been somebody
who had we had to turn the machines off my
dad five years ago. Right, Sorry if you don't like
the reference, but you do understand it a lot better
when you sit there and you tell yourself, maybe he
gets better, maybe it gets better. And Tom Brady's like, hey,

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look we're ten and two. Yeah, but who'd you beat?
We beat the Bills. Bills are obviously good. I'll give
you that. Now. The Bills lost Josh Allen and still
had a che has to beat you. But I'll grant
you that they beat the Bills. But other than that,
who they beaten? And if they don't win this week

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now they'll have losses to three teams that they could
potentially face in the playoffs. They weren't close to the
Texans last night. They weren't really that close to the
Ravens when they played them, And if you lose to
the Chiefs, like at some point you're like, look, you
just don't have it this year. You just don't have
it this year. How many times will we fall for

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the I know Patriot fans like, I'm not falling for
that again, I'm not looking down just because you point
to the top of my shirt. I don't have a
spot on it. How many times are gonna fall for that?
But what if you really did have a spot? What
if it really was time to call it and call in,
calling the doctor and calling the priest and read the

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last rites? What if this really is because every run
has come to an end. Happened with the Spurs, didn't it.
Gen Nobly got old, Tim Duncan got old. Tony Parker
got old. Happened to the Spurs. Happened to the Yankees.
Derek Jeter got old, Alex Rodriguez got caught using p

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d s again, the pitching got old and they had
to reboot. It happens at some point everybody has to
to steal from Chris Peterson today, recharge and it feels
like we're perilously close to the paths. Yes, they did
win the super Bowl, and they did get to the

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super Bowl the previous year, So it sounds silly because
other people, myself included, have counted them out at other
times and you don't want to fall forward another year.
But Tom Brady is not younger, haven't replaced Rob Gronkowski,
Julian Edelman is not a one. They're still not communicating

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really all that well, as there's been massive communication issues
with the wide receivers. They're not all lockstep. There's still
time to get there, but man, it doesn't feel like
they'll get there, does it. So you don't have to
tell me that I'm calling hospice on their run, but

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I am very concerned and considering the possibility of turning
off the machines. Lamar Jackson is starting to remind me
of a basketball player, Steph Curry. I'll explain why I'm
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Radio a app Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. I
was watching Lamar Jackson play yesterday and the description I
would say is can you play well and you're not
playing well. I don't think he played great. Um, his
first touchdown pass was what was a thing of beauty,

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but it was more in the play design, like I
cannot remember an NFL tight end being that wide open
in that place in the red zone. But like, look,
Lamar was what he usually is throwing the football. It's
hard to tell how much whether dictated fourteen five yards
one touchdown. He had a hundred and one yards rushing,
including some Keith third downs. The biggest play of the

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game to me, honestly was one of the reasons I
would I would compare him to Steph Curry. I would, um,
if you go back and look, there was a roughing
penalty on the San Francisco forty Niners on the final draft,

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his final final drive. You know, he runs out of
bounds and there's a there's a roughing penalty or an
unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. And I believe there were four calls,
three rushing roughing the passers, and one um unsportsmanlike where
he was actually tackled inbounds. But because most of the

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tackle took place out of bounds, and more than anything,
because Lamar Jackson and it was right in from the
Baltimore bench. It was fifteen yards that helps set him
up for what became the game winning field goal. But
to me that this is part of the story. He
is a he's a Steph Curry to the NFL. Here's

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what I mean. When Steph came out, I looked at
all the traditional point guards and said, to be a
little to be a point guard. Man. He turns it
over a lot man. He shoots a ton crazy shots
and his body just doesn't look like one that can
hold up in the NBA. And he's not a traditional

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to guard either. He's a little bit both. Right, he
needs the ball, but he's not really a point guard.
And yes he's a great passer, but he's not a
past first guy. You're kind of waiting for him to
do his thing. There were a ton of doubts about
whether or not STEP's game would translate to the NBA.
It wasn't that people didn't think he was good. They
could really shoot, but it was how does it translate

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to the NBA. I thought he'd be Jeff Hornesec, not
a two time m v P. Also, it's important that
Steph has a unique skill, but it's really helped by
the way in which the game is officiated. Now, now, look,
I'm super cautious of Lamar Jackson thing, and I think

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it's very reasonable to point out that in addition to
all of these running backs, all of these running quarterbacks
getting hurt, the league hasn't designed defenses yet, hasn't set
their defenses in the offseason yet to beat the Ravens.
That's why year to year it's really hard to replicate.
And remember, most of these teams are setting their defense

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in terms of personnel wise, one to whatever the coaches
scheme is, but also what type of defense is gonna
beat the most teams, and most teams run some sort
of shotgun into a spread or a West Coast offense,
those of the two. And you said, like the forty
Niners are not designed to beat an option you know, pistol, option, zone,

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reed run game. They're just not. But because Houston is
doing it now, because Baltimore is doing it now, because
other teams will do it more you watch, next year's
rosters will look a little bit different than this year's
rosters in terms of trying to match up to a
two and three tight end. Look, so I think he

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benefits from teams setting there. This is I've talked about
this with the Big twelve. One of the reasons that
Kansas State under Bill Snyder was able to be so
successful in running some of the same stuff, some single
wing what's called eleven on eleven football, was everyone else
in the Big ten runts a Big twelve runts spread.
You gotta you gotta recruit players to compete against Oklahoma,

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against Oklahoma State, against Baylor, against TCU, it's spread it
out and throw it a Texas Tech. And so when
you get into the college football playoff, you're playing against
more traditional teams you're recruiting, and your defense isn't designed
for those type of offenses. Same thing with the Ravens.
But the officiating, like look, had Steph Curry played in

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the nineties where they let you hand check, he wouldn't
have been able to do all these things. And I
don't know how much the officials can protect Lamar Jackson,
but yesterday he got several protection calls because and he's
out the only one. Every quarterback seems to get these
calls now. But can they protect him enough so that

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he lasts longer and his passing come around. That's a
big question. And here's the last thing. Here's the last
and most important comparison. Steph Curry two Lamar Jackson. The
organization with the Golden State Warriors decided to go completely

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all in. If you remember back to when Steph was
first with the Warriors, he had the ankle injuries the
first couple of years, and so yeah, he had some
good stuff about him and they finally started going to
the playoffs. But when they went to the playoffs, it
was with Mark Jackson, who was coaching all isolation and
old school kind of one on one NBA offense, and

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they knew they had to get They had to find
someone who could let Steph be Steph, let him not
think and overthink about turnovers. They had to get personnel
that fit and getting multiple other ball handlers Igwa Dolla,
Draymond Green, Andrew Bogat, Sean Livingston, then Kevin durand all
could handle the ball like point guards, so Steph didn't

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have to be a point guard. He could just be Steph.
The Warriors went all in on staff, from style to
personnel to coaching. Guess what the Ravens have done, same thing.
They went out and got him Mark Ingram who's a
power running back who's also all in on Lamar. The
coaching staff from Greg Roman to John Harbaugh decided we're

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going all in on it. Keeping r G three, who's
a competent, capable backup of running the same offense is
going on. But more than anything, it's the mentality of
this is how we're gonna play, and yeah, we may
throw for a hunter and twenty five yards some games,
but so what. We'll get a great defense, we'll get
a great kicking game, and we'll beat people. See the parallel.

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I don't know if he'll be a two time m
v P. He seems on his way to being at
least a one time m v P. I don't know
if he'll win a couple straight championships or if they
can get other players to come in as a free agent.
But I do think there's some similarities there between Staph
in terms of the timing of when he became a
star in the game, the organization going all in, and
the quirkiness of his style previously not working in the

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end NBA or NFL to Lamar Jackson. Be sure to
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app The Cleveland Browns.
Are you guys familiar by Uh? Where'd you go to school?
Remind me? Wisconsin? Okay, did you guys, um? Uh? Did

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you guys study the Peter principal? Um? No, not in
the classes. I decided to show up to your broadcast journalism, communications,
more radio, TV film sort of thing. Yeah, you think
about making movies? I thought about it. Then I'm like, well,
I don't watch them, so you know, why do it?
Do you know what Peter principle is? Um? You know

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you've told us before, but I've I've forgotten. Okay. The
Peter principal is a concept in management developed by a
guy named Lawrence or Larry Peter. He said, Peter, that
was cool, um, which observes that people in a hierarchy
tend to rise to a level of incompetence. Right. This

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would never happen at Fox Sports Radio. I want to
point that out. Everyone is at an appropriate level of
their confidence. But we do know that in business and
in sports, in life. I mean, this is no different
than the guy who what's Clay Travis's website called out
kin show out kicked the coverage, right. You can't even

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marry above the level of your competence. Yeah, she's way
above his level. The Cleveland Browns are the perfect case,
the perfect case of the Peter principle. That's who they are,
the perfect case of the Peter principle where they promoted

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a coach above the level of his competence. I don't
think it's a huge deal that Freddie Kitchens were a
T shirt that said Pittsburgh started. His girls gave it
to him. It was funny, took a picture, whatever. But
when you consider that no other head coach is gonna
wear that shirt, when you consider that they're the most

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penalized team the NFL, when you consider that, um, I
don't know. They've looked like a dysfunctional, undisciplined unit in
many games, including the suspension which led to the T
shirt because his player, his best defensive lineman, when easy

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and swung a helmet and he hit the face of
the Steelers quarterback and they were playing Pittsburgh that week.
All of that, it's just not a great idea. You
can wear the T shirt, but you better win the game.
Here's Freddy Kitchens on the T shirt after the game.
If that's what they take his motivation, of course I'm disappointed,
but I would like to think that I know Mike

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very well. They're motivated by more than just a T shirt. Okay,
you know we had a lot on the line there
for that game. I don't think a T shirt put
them over the top. Mm hmmm. I don't think it
put him over the top. But it didn't help, right,
It just didn't. It doesn't help the case for this
guy is ready for this job. Didn't and it appears

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that the Cleveland Browns are nothing more than the Peter
Principal in full effect. You promoted a guy to the
level of his incompetence as a running back. Coach was great,
even a play collar bad head coach and play collar
no no, no, no, no too much. And we've all
seen this in life, right, a salesman promoted to sales

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manager or regional sales manager. You're like, well, that guy
was a lot better when he was selling used cars.
He was awesome at that. Why do we do that?
We do that in radio, not here as much. I've
worked at another place where you know, somebody's a really
good p a than they're a good ap P A
is production assistant ap as associate producer. We promoted a

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producer and they're like, now our producer to just so
we can give more money. They're like, well, let's promote
this person to some form of management. Why, Well, because
we need to pay more money, and the way in
which it's structured, they've got to be in management to
make more money, which doesn't make any sense. What if
the guy is just the world's greatest producer, because when

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you're in management, your skill sets totally different than the
one that allows you to be successful to begin with.
Are there parts of it? Sure, but we all have
had managers or people who are bosses in our past
where you're like, how the hell that guy get the job?
And for the most part usually the answers he was
just there and they kept promoting him and promoting him
and promoting him because they liked him. And at some

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point you get promoted above the love of your competence.
Peter Principal, that that is Freddie Kitchens. That's Freddy Kitchens. Um.
Then there's the weird news today that Chris Peterson, head
coach at the University of Washington, has resigned as he

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wants to recharge. And I think there's two different parts
to this if you think about it, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops,
Chris Peterson, three gentlemen. And I know that Washington only
finished four and five and Pact twelve play and some
people were down on Chris Peterson at Washington because of

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his success both that you dub and at Boise stayed.
He wasn't getting fired, he wasn't getting pressured. It wasn't
anything changing. I want you to think about this for
a second. There's two different parts of this story. One
college football coaches are making more now than they've ever
made and so much like Calvin Johnson, I don't need it.

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I don't need it. At some point you've got enough
money where you get into coaching. You don't get into
coaching to get rich, but you become rich and you're like,
I don't really need all the headache. But too, there
is a lot of headache. There's a lot of stress,
there's a lot of pressure. I don't think Rban Meyer's
going back to coach, at least this year and maybe

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in the near future. Bob Stoops, I think he's getting
his coaching fix. Coaching in the XFL and Chris Peterson,
who lives in a beautiful city, a beautiful city, has
a great a d you know, in a in a
part of the league in which you can traditionally compete in,

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and they've done really well. He's walking away. Why because
I know you don't. I know you think this is
a mistake people make. Well, why can't football players be
just like their coaches? This is a perfect example why
I'm not sure. I'm not not sure. I'm sure that

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people don't have a healthy respect, healthy respect for um,
they don't have a healthy respect for just how much pressure,
just how many things that these guys have to do
between boosters, meeting with your a D, running a program,

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having all these assistant coaches, being in charge of all
these players, and player development, radio show, TV show, managing
your practices, managing your games. Yeah, you can have an assistant,
but that doesn't mean that you don't observe that pressure.
The Chris Peterson, Urban Meyer and of course um Bob Stoops,

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all in their fifties, all well compensated, all walking away
from million dollars. At least that tells you that it's
not a great job. It's a really, really hard all
encompassing job which most people don't have a full appreciation for,

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just how much pressure and just how hard it is,
and now that they have legit money, they can walk away.
It's part of what makes the NFL so popular, and
now it's part of a big problem the NFL is facing.
I'll explain next. Be sure to catch the live edition
of the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. My Chargers finding new and inventive ways
to lose games they should rightfully win. Right Why does

(25:58):
snow football look like so much on I'm watching the
highlight of Aaron Rodgers throw a dime for a touchdown pass,
one of I believe four on the day, helping win
my fantasy game as well as the Packers win an
actual football game and to beat Danny Dimes the New
York Giants. I think Aaron Rodgers Yesterday's birthday thirty five
years old. With yesterday turned thirty five, they win thirty

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one to thirteen. Aaron Rodgers found Davante Adams. That's uh
since two thousand eighteen, so since the start of last year,
they've connected on sixteen touchdown passes, second most to new

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Copkins and Shawn Watson. So pretty interesting. Let's get to
a game. This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
I had a lot to share from my How long
was that in Oklahoma? Wasn't a week, but it feels
felt like it was like wait, Wednesday night, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

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Sunday and left today, so in around five days, five days.
Dan Bayer joins us Dan, did you ever go deer hunting? No? No,
my kids did with my father in law. They shot
a deer last time. My kids did not shoot it.
He shot it. Wow. Where was this Oklahoma drum? Right? Oklahoma?

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Do they have is it like a long gun deer
season or because the rifle season in Wisconsin actually just
ended yesterday. Uh, you know they have they have black powder,
they have bow, and they have rifle rifle and that
one was shot with a rifle. So they have a

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I guess, I guess there's a ton like now you
can get up to up to six counting does so
they shot a dough last night. Very very common all
across the state for kids to get deer hunting passes
of the two days of school that usually go to yes,
so school is off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I think that's
fairly for the regular amount throughout the state. But our school,

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you could get a deer pass on Monday and Tuesday,
which would excuse you from school, so you could go
deer hunting, and you never did. You never took him off.
Would you go deer hunting? Would you get the past? Well, no,
I wouldn't. I would also have basketball practice or so
there wasn't. Did they check on you though, No, No,
like there wouldn't be any check up. There were guys
who went out and hunted and I guess came back

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for practice. But yeah, I never went. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah,
not too bad of a deal. That's a that's really
really amazing. They have in Newport Beach they have ski Week,
which is a much grittier, tougher were you and your
family can go to the mountains ski for a week. Anyway,
what's the game today? Is big deal? Little deal? No deal?

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All right? Big deal? Yeah, it is a big big deal,
little deal or no deal? That suspended Ardinal's defensive back
Josh Shaw, reportedly placed a bet on the Cardinals in
a parlay during the weekend of November tenth when they
played the Buccaneers. Huge deal, right apparently it was, Yeah,
apparently was a live bet as well. Take that back.

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He bet on the second halfs of games. He've been
on three second halfs in Parlay's and and the Cardinals
ended up they were down. It was a one point spread.
I read this thing. One point spread. It was their
minus their their plus one for the second half, and
there was It ended up it was three points and

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a half and three points. So he lost the bet.
But look, you have to be just dumb. I'm I'm
trying to figure out if it's dumb or to to
do it in a in a Vegas sports book, Like
do you not know that they're gonna find out? I
do think that's better than doing with a bookie, but

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you know it's even better not doing it at all.
They tell you if you want to play the league,
you can't bet on sports, specifically the NFL, and you
signed something that says I will not bet on the NFL.
And then he went and did it in a Vegas
casino at Caesar's Palace, and UH had his betting card

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where it said professional football player, you can't fix stupid.
I mean you cannot fix stupid, right, you can't fix it.
Big deal, a little deal or no deal. That the
Bengals got their first win of the season yesterday against
the Jets. Huge deal, huge um. Obviously their coach wanted
to get one. It was big for Andy Dalton, who

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had been benched. You know, nobody wants to be what
the Lions were, what the Browns were. You know, a
team that doesn't win a game, and you know, when
you have a first year head coach who's trying to
trying to keep his job and earn respect. I do
think that they went for it and to get that
win obviously is humiliating. On the other side, I think
it's a big deal to you. Yeah, I think it's

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a big deal of just the quarterback change of like,
all right, we need to do something. And it's a
big deal for the Jets. Not a good way, no,
but they had they had three game winning streak coming
in and look, Andy Dalton was good, man, he was
he was good. He wasn't the greatest thing ever. But
he's doing it without his best pass catcher who is
still not playing. And I do think on some level

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they want to keep a j green thinking look a
j we're still gonna have. I think they keep Andy Dalton.
I'm not totally convinced they draft Joe Burrow. And as
much as you could sit here and go that doesn't
make any sense. It's the Bengals. Lots of things they
do don't make any sense. They could do both. I mean, honestly, yeah,
I think they will do both. I think they'll hold
on to him and then try and draft Joe Burrow

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if they if they like him, because remember free agency
comes for the draft. For all the talk of tanking,
the Bengals have one win. The Giants have to. Everybody
else has three or more. So if you a little
deal or no deal that the Jaguars are turning back
to rookie quarterback nor Minshew and benching Nick Foles, that's
a big deal. I love Nick Foles, the guy. Everybody loves.
Nick Foles is a guy. He's a great human being.

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Um but let's call it what it is. You know,
it was the perfect time, the perfect set up, the
perfect team. He didn't even play well his first couple
starts with the Eagles when they went to the Super Bowl.
Obviously played very well down the stretch and very well
in the Super Bowl. But this is, you know, look
in the business of sports. He pulled off of Sam Bradford.
He got paid way more than he should have. Congratulations,

(32:29):
And I think he'll be a good back. He'll be
a great backup guy to Gardner Minshew, who they seem
to think long term can be a starting quarterback in
the NFL. Why not take a look big deal, little
deal or no deal that Brownson coach Freddie Kitchen says
he isn't worried about his job security. That's a little deal.
And what's he supposed to say. I'm super super concerned

(32:52):
about my job security, right, I mean, it's deal. I'm
not concerned about my job concerning Pittsburgh started it, Pittsburgh
ended it, by the way, should be the new teacher.
There are I think t shirts coming out with that
that big deal, little deal or no deal that There
are three head coaching openings now in the SEC Old

(33:12):
miss Arkansas, Missouri looking for how about the Arkansas? About
the old miss one? Right, if the kid doesn't lift
his leg to fake p on something and they send
the game and win in overtime, does he still have
his yet? Does the coach still have his job. That's
a legit question, isn't it. Well, what were they would
have been five and seven? I thought that they were

(33:33):
remember their on probation, you know, like, look, winning the
egg Bowl is a big, big thing, and and the
idea that you have a lack of discipline. It's not
the first time that it's happened, you know, for old miss,
but you know, it's it's just embarrassing. It's embarrassing to
score what should have been the game tying touchdown and

(33:56):
then have a game they have a guy who jumps
up in and uh and face peeing, peeing on the
on the goal post or whatever, and Matt Luke gets
fired like two days later. I mean, come on, you know,
Elijah Elijah Moore should feel terrible. It was Elijah Moore
got him fired. It was crazy because watching the Falcons

(34:19):
recover all those onside kicks, I did not turn over
to the egg Bowl to see the crazy ending of
what was going on. I was watching what the Falcons
were doing to these Saints. What's the name of that
guy who had that He recovered basically two straight and
then he deflected the third one, which cousted him to
to I was I was watching with the I was
watching with the sound off, and I was like, who
is this guy? My daughter and I are standing city.

(34:41):
I convinced my daughter she could go into sports broadcast.
She's like, okay, I need to learn about football. So
she watched football all weekend with me, and she's like,
is that normal to recover on site kicks? It is like, No,
in the NFL, it never happens. And we saw two
in or row three rows? Excuse me, big deal, a
little deal or no deal? Doug that three quarters of
the college football playoff bracket is likely already settled prior

(35:01):
to the conference championship games. I don't think it's already settled?
Then no deal? Yeah? Do do I think l s
U goes even if they lose? Sure, but I'm not
completely and totally convinced. Like if they get blown out,
we think of a house state is set, right, But
what happens if they lose to Wisconsin? And it's not
crazy that, I mean, Clemson could lose the a c

(35:23):
C championship game? So um, yes, mostly you're right. It
does feel like those are the three best teams and
we'll argue over number four if Georgia loses but I
do think that the idea that it's set. Remember there's
still football games to be played, and that's game time.

(35:46):
This is game time. On the Duck got Leap Show,
Frendilver joins the show. Upcoming next, we got a lot
to get to. I want to ask him at the
Patriots in trouble. I'm gonna get ready for Monday Night football.
Russell Wilson versus Kirk Cousins. Were gonna ask him about
Lamar Jackson. Laard Jackson showed he could win a nail
bite or a true grinder of a game. But can

(36:07):
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We treat you like you treat you buy? Are you okay?
Over there? Got like a little iced tea in here?
You want like I get? I get choked up all
the time. I actually uh had mid sandwich bite as well.
All good, all good. Hey when that happens, man, do
you have a good week? Good Thanksgiving? Yeah? Yeah, things
were good, things were good. Alright. I know you're still

(36:49):
down the wrong pipe. You know, I know what happens, dude,
It absolutely happens. In live Live radio. Dan Buyer, by
the way, was listening to him yesterday, yesterday, Yesterday, Sunday,
Today's Tonday, right, Yester, Yesterday was Sunday. You should too.
So Sunday afternoon after your first games, tune on, turn on,
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and Niners had come to an end. You in uh

(37:12):
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(37:34):
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for being our guest, Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Holidays to you.
You've been more than gracious to answer the question about

(37:56):
the Patriots and if they're done because of what you
said on One Night Football a couple of years ago
after they lost to the Chiefs. But the Patriots did
for three quarters look inept last night, right, and the
idea of them going after Antonio Brown is out there.
Now they have to take on the Chiefs. Are you
willing to say this is the year where the dynasty ends?

(38:18):
It looks as if they lack dimensions for sure. UM.
I had zero reservations till last night. UM. Two things
I always say this when teams say you can win
into Baltimore Ravens model, I say, well, then you better
have historically great defense, not just good, but great, UM,
because yeah, we did it being defensive centric and special

(38:41):
team centric and don't make a mistake on offense. I
was also nineteen years ago the game was different, UM,
and our defense, in my opinions, the greatest of all time.
I say that because they're really good defensively, but watching
Deshaun get after him a little bit, and I don't
want to say exposed, but consistently move the ball and

(39:01):
make plays against that defense tells me they're really good,
but they're not historically great. And then offensively, they just
lack twitch. They lack they lacked beet deep you know
what I mean. They don't have anybody outside of James
White and Edelman who can consistently beat man coverage. You
can see the frustration the passing game with Tom. The
guys aren't on the same page as him. Um. I

(39:23):
do think they want to run the ball that came
out early in the game and they just want to
pound you. But you can only do that if you're
in a close game. Um, So to answer your questions,
they look like they lack to mention. So their formula
is going to have to be ground and pound, play
great defense, not good defense, and then trust, you know,
the goat to make plays for him in and that

(39:45):
has an end of games. And the only way I
see them repeating is if Tom catches fire with this
group of receivers, especially in critical moments in the playoffs. Um,
what about the idea of bringing back Antonio Brown? Is
there any possibility that happens? I don't know. You know,
and I've said this again, You've asked me this question

(40:08):
two years ago. I'd be much more dialed into kind
of the rhythm of the NFL. UM. I haven't heard
the scuttle on that. Um. It makes sense from an
exo standpoint, it makes sense that if any culture could
take him back after all the drama that they went through,
it could be them. I'm sure there's been a humbling

(40:29):
that Antonio Brown has gone through. I don't know if
to the extent needed to be UM. But again, I'm
not one that just rolls his eyes and says that's
a stupid idea. I mean, I could see the reasons
for it. Stug Alix show here on Fox Sports Radio.
That's the voice of trend deal for Super Bowl champion
quarterback Lamar Jackson. UM, the throwing wasn't great, but the

(40:50):
weather was bad. He did he made some amazing plays
with his feet and they did just enough. As you said,
the some of the some of the history Ravens model, play,
great defense, great on special teams. Has he shown that
he can consistently throw from the pocket well enough in
your mind to know he can win? In January? He's fantastic. Um,

(41:16):
them buying into his style of play makes me believe
that they think they can. I've always said this, and
I'm really having this internal debate right now whether I've
been right all these years that every Super Bowl comes
down to a third and six. We gotta make a
play from the pocket, and it's usually in a playoff
game or divisional game, or a championship game, or in

(41:38):
the super Bowl itself, and your quarterback's got to get
deep through his progression and get the ball to number
three and be a surgeon back there. And usually nobody
talks about that play on TV, but it's the player
that won him the game. And you go on and
you finished off the race because you have the quarterback
that can do that. UM. I don't think Lamar can
do that consistently. UM. But what he can do is

(42:03):
he's a good enough thrower on first and second down
where he can pierce you. He's obviously a dynamic football
player and a playmaker. They're very physical. Um, they do
all that other stuff good. I guess there's a long
dilfer answer just saying I need to see him do
it in a must pass situation in a one score game,

(42:24):
in a playoff game, or in the Super Bowl itself.
I think it'll come down to that simple will be
that one play and you're like, oh, he wasn't ready
for that one, or you'll be like, holy smokes, he
just did it. I mean he just went Tom Brady
on us on third and six. If he can do
that and he can do all the other stuff, then
he might be the Steve Young said, the guy have

(42:44):
to outlaw from the NFL is just not fair. Um.
I would also say that that a little bit of
this is and we saw from Deshaun Watson against the
Patriots running some similar kind of a pistol option kind
of Look, is it possible that the league, you know,
you at your defense up now to stop some of
these uh no tempo offenses, spread offenses and West Coast

(43:06):
offenses In addition to the fact that he's dynamic and
the team is all bought in and it all kind
of works together. The long drives keep the defense out
the field, the defense has more energy plays, but all
that stuff. But just at this offense in the off season,
you don't prepare for it, you don't draft for it,
you don't set your roster for it, because you know

(43:28):
thirty one other teams play a completely different style of football,
and so some of it is taking the league by
storm in terms of a different style of playing the
same sport. Yes, I think that's a very good way
of saying all of that, and it's a rule breaker
at the end of the day. With the simplest way
to say is you go to practice if you're on

(43:49):
um A defense and you're getting ready prepared for the
Ravens and the coach and say, okay, remember all those
rules we talked about. Okay, well they don't matter this week.
It's all rule breaker offense. They just do stuff that
makes you change your game plan and change your rules.
Like you said, for the other thirty one teams, I
do think that's two. You're so scared really what you
need to do against and every I'm not smart. I

(44:11):
mean anybody could tell you this. You need to pressure
it and you need to play man. Okay, that's what
That's what Clemson does to these in college football. That's
the best defenses in college football due to these types
of offenses. You have multiple blitz packages and you play
a lot of Cover zero or single high man and
you're but you're so scared to do it because if

(44:32):
you blow one assignment, one gap, you miss one tackle,
lamar is gone and you ain't catching them. And you're like, oh,
we just played thirteen great snaps and we play this
one bad one and it costs the six points. So
instead they say, Okay, we're just gonna play soft. We're
gonna keep a lot of eyes looking at the run
game and eyes looking at the quarterback and keep everything

(44:53):
in front of us. Well, then it's death by a
thousand cuts. So you really have to It's gonna take
a defense that could match um physically and and the
man coverage aspect of it, but the defensive coordinator that
really just lays them out on the line and says, well,
we're going to play this way, and if you beat
this three or four times, hopefully we score enough points

(45:14):
on the other side of the ball. But we're not
going to sit back and and die by a thousand cups.
Well that's the voice of Trent Dilfer. He joins us
here on the Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio.
How much of the Cowboys issues are coaching. I can't
figure it out, honestly, because I see mistakes being made
that aren't coaching. Mistakes, their player execution mistakes, that they're prepared,

(45:35):
they have great schemes. I mean, you look at this again.
I'm a nerd, so I'll sit there and look at
the schemes, like, how are you tactically going against this team?
And tactically their very sound um that the team up
until Thanksgiving seemed as if they had total buying. There
was no infighting, there was no body language has suggested

(45:57):
that they're disgruntled with their head coach or their coaching staff.
Get the narratives just becomes so strong that it's coaching,
and their owner makes the narrative even stronger that you know,
these are impressionable young men in the NFL locker room.
It's not like you give a bunch of forty five
year old, you know, wise grizzly vets. You have a
bunch of twenty somethings who read the Internet, who listened

(46:19):
to the narratives. And I think at some point the
narrative becomes so strong that it is coaching that it's
really easy for the player to to kind of pass
on his culpability by saying, oh yeah, it is it
is the coaching. Oh yeah, that is their fault. That's
not my fault, that's their faults. And I think that's
what happens in locker rooms when something becomes this tidle wave,

(46:41):
this narrative becomes a tidal wave that you have a
cop out as a player, you start taking it. And
if that happens, and I'm sure probably is happening, then
then there you're gonna have no choice but to blame
the coach and deal. For our guest on the Doug
Gotlieb Show, all right, what about the Browns. I don't
make a big deal about wearing T shirts, Um, but

(47:01):
it it is. It's a little bit of indictment of
Freddie Kitchens because so many of the things he's done
show that he's not really ready to be a head coach. Right.
You and I have talked about it, like understand understanding
that to be a head coach you shouldn't be calling plays,
especially in your first job. Right, Um, some of the
things he said and allowed his players to do, and

(47:23):
then wearing the T shirt, what are your thoughts on
Freddie Kitchens. He's catching some grief for wearing a Pittsburgh
started a T shirt. Yeah, the T shirt thing doesn't
bother me either. It's the overall with this, I think
we talked about this earlier in the year, just the
lack of sophistication. It's not intelligence, um, it's not capacity,
it's sophistication, it's awareness. It's being down this road before

(47:46):
doing the mental gymnastics of what the job is. Now,
everything you say or do, or where or how you
present your everything that you do matters because you're the CEO.
You're you're the big dog, and you have tremendous impact
and influence not just on your team and your organization
but the city for which you represent. And just from

(48:08):
day one, that just lacked that sophistication. He seems like
a guy to me that isn't gonna make it on
his first stop. And if he really wants this bad,
he'll go and he'll be an offensive coordinator some some
somewhere again and rethink how he would do it all
over again. If he gets a second chance, will be
much better second time through. But you see those often

(48:29):
with coordinators that get head jobs, is is they just
lack the gravitas and sophistication to be what has become
kind of a rock star job being a head coach
in the NFL and all that goes with that. All right,
So let's get to tonight's game. Russell Wilson Kirk Cousins.
Wilson is a magician back there, but from a quarterback side,

(48:51):
from a guy who studies the position at a higher
level than maybe anyone in the history of the game.
What do you see when you see Russell Wilson magic
A magician who has become a magician slash artist who
has become a surgeon. He is, I mean, the last
two years, his um attention to detail, the nuance of

(49:15):
his game, his line of scrimmage mastery, um, his use
of his eyes in the passing game. Um, He's he's
elevated himself into that breeze. Brady Peyton, you know, Philip Rivers,
although not having a great year, but I put him
as you know, one of these long term masters of

(49:37):
the game. Um, these guys that have done so much
of it with their brains. Um, He's done the same
thing and he's still a total magician. He still does things.
Him and Deshaun and Lamar Josh Allen are doing things
physically that just you roll your eyes and you go,
oh my gosh, how do they do that? Oh? And

(49:58):
they're smart, and they're accurate, and they're great leaders. Uh.
I mean the quarterback position is obviously I'm changing the
subject a little bit. It's as good as has ever been.
But I think Russell might be the best of the best. Okay,
what about Kirk Cousins. Has he has he evolved from
your perspective? You know, he's always been really good at

(50:19):
what he's doing well this year, and that's if you
cut the field in half for him and throw the
ball in early downs, uh, and use a lot of
action pass. He's deadly accurate and a great anticipator on
the second level, and he really can throw a football. Uh.
It's when he gets condensed into small, compact spaces in

(50:39):
the pocket, which is typically in those knowing downs where
you know you're throwing, the defense knows you're throwing in
That's where he's always struggling. And I think what the
staff has done is one the use of you know,
is making giving the runner Dalvin cooked the ball as
much as possible, not just in the run game, but
in the screen game, in the past game, and and
then activating um the defense the way they do in

(51:01):
the play action game really allows him to um utilize
what he does best, which is, Okay, let's go throw
a ball in the tight coverage twenty five yards away.
I'll do that as well as anybody, and he can.
He can do that as well as anybody. He'll throw
guys open, He'll do all the passing things that make
you go oh ah, man. He's really good. And I

(51:21):
think this staff has recognized that about him in a
short amount of time and called a lot of stuff
that's in his willhouse. The challenge for Kurt will always
be it's kind of what we talked about with Lamar.
It's but it's it's it's a different nature. It's when
that pocket gets tight, when there's a lot of bodies
around them, when things get muddy in there, it's almost
a scrum in the pocket. That's where he's made his

(51:45):
mistakes through the course of his career. Who do you
think wins Man? Minnesota has been my sleeper team all year,
But I just think Seattle. I think this NFC West
has maybe the two best teams in all the football
at Baltimore in there too, but I think Seattle in
the San francis so as good as anybody. And um,
I just liked the vibe of the Seahawks right nine
in the Seahawks win. I I like the Niners as well.

(52:07):
I'm not am I am I wrong to not really
be in despair over the loss yesterday in a great
game in Baltimore. No, I think they're better. I actually
I don't think there's moral victories in the NFL, but
there's impressive losses. And that was an impressive loss. The
why across the country in those conditions and getting a
slobber knocker and say, okay, we're gonna play this style
of football to day we go, let's go and they

(52:29):
essentially lost. And they essentially lost on one call. You know,
Lamar's going out of bounds and they and they you know,
they call roughness. He's actually inbounds and the tackle began.
I don't believe that was the roughness call, but that
put him in field goal rands that change things. And
and you have the best kicker in the league. I mean,
I do think. You know, Robbie Goulden missing one, I
get I get it. The count and he was great
when he was in Chicago, so he's shown he can

(52:50):
kick in bad weather. That would be the only thing
holding me back uh is Robbie Gould as opposed to
some of the other teams with their league kickers. I'll
take this. I know Robbie when have him a little
bias series. I know Robbie so well of our careers.
He's a friend and go. He is one of the
best bad weather kicker. I know him philled off and
I think he'll be if he's coming off a quad
injury Like this is where I will make excuses for

(53:13):
players every once in a while, like you come off
an injury, you're working your way back. Holy crap, it
hit the phantom in these conditions. But he's a season pro.
He'll learn. If I text him right now, he'll blame
himself for the game, and they'll say, but give me
the opportunity again, Like give me Robbie Gold in that
situation again, and I'm betting on Robbie. Awesome stuff. Trent Dilfer, TD,

(53:36):
Thanks so much, dude. You got her. Brother is um
is Jim Harbaugh still a success at Michigan in spite
of the fact that he's oh in five against Ohio State.
Give you my answer. Next, be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Guy who you see

(53:58):
on the sidelines for all the Big Fox Game, Bruce Felban,
also rights for the athletic kind of to spend some
time with this um. Can Michigan consider this season of
success even though for the fifth rade year they've lost
to a high state. Absolutely not. I mean, come on,
I mean it's like a resounding now. You know, they
got blown out by Wisconsin and then they got blown

(54:20):
out by their arch rival for the second year in
a row. Much less lost than them five years in
a row. So absolutely not. Okay, So, uh do you
see any changes in the future for Michigan. I don't
think any significant ones. You know, if I'm Jim Harbaugh,
if you're the ultimate competitor, I don't know how you
can walk away knowing you went oh and five against

(54:42):
you know, you know better than anybody having played there,
and then to start quarterback how important that is. You
can't just leave that wound open. You've gotta figure out
a way to close it. And you know, right now
they talent wise, they don't have much margin for arrogance
Ohio State, which has more talent. They gotta recruit better.
They got to develop better players and he's got to

(55:05):
find a way on defense. Two uh, hang in the game.
I mean they just you can't go up fifty nine
points a game against anybody and expect expect to be competitive.
What about Ohio State? How is this? What's what's most remarkable?
And I want to bring in about the Chris Peterson
thing in a second, but you know that the two
prominent programs whose coaches walked away in their fifties or

(55:27):
Oklahoma Ohio State and both have a chance and once
again play for a national championship. But I think also
what's interesting is these guys they walked away and left
the cupboard full a lot of times when when uh,
when when guys walk away they leave the cupboard bear
And that's not the case. Um, what about Ohio State
and and how deep that cupboard is and how much

(55:50):
that changes with the changing coaching staff. I think with
with Ohio State, what helped Ryan Day a lot was
he made he really made some smart hires. He kept
the best parts of what was going on in Ohio
State in the development part. With Mickey Maratis, a longtime
strength coach, really had the has the pulse of the
locker room, kept the recruiting machine largely in attact, UH,

(56:13):
and then he rebuilt the defensive side. I mean, he
made a great higher by bringing in Jeff Halfway as
a defensive coordinator. They're much better now than they were
UH last year. And I think one thing that's different
about this team is they don't have the drama around
them that teams the last few years did at Ohio State.

(56:34):
I mean, certainly you had that the Zach Smith, you know,
the the exiled you know, UH former receivers coach, and
that scandal, and Urban Meyer was suspended coming out of that,
and then you had the issues with Urban's help, you know,
the shots of him on the sideline and agonizing pain
because the brain says he's dealing with I think those

(56:55):
issues I think probably Wade or you know, hovered around
the program right now, especially the way Ryan Day's temperament is.
It's not four and seven around that program. And I
just think you see, I mean we did one of
their games this year. You see a team that is
playing with playing fast and playing with a lot of
really good energy. And so that's why they no one's

(57:17):
really got even close to them. I mean whereas before
you get Ohio State against an Indiana and Nebraska Maryland,
they might not bring their a game because I think
there was a little bit of, you know, it's just
some nervous energy that they were dealing with Bruce Felman
joining us from the athletic. Of course, Fox Sports covering
college football. If you were to have a vote on

(57:37):
who the fourth best team is in the country, let's
assume Georgia loses, the Georgia wins, Georgia goes, l s
U goes, assuming Ohio State and clubs. Now, what could
be really interesting is if Ohio State were to lose
and and LSU were to lose. Would that would that
change anybody's perspective. Let's just assume, uh, Georgia los the
l s U. Big assumption, because they're a very talented team.

(57:58):
Who who should be the fourth best team we should go?
I think it's whoever is going to be more impressive
between Utah and Oklahoma on Saturday. I feel like, right now,
you know you and I were both in the building
on Saturday night at bed mom. That was a really strong,
I don't want to call it as far as say
dominant performance. It was a really strong complete performance by Oklahoma,

(58:22):
and I've seen Utah in person twice. I've seen Oklahoma
in person now four times. Um, you know it's it's
it's a little bit of splitting hairs. I mean, I
feel like Utah has been way more consistent. Oklahoma has
been kind of all over the map a little bit.
I feel like because of what Oklahoma has, maybe with

(58:42):
a little more of a dynamic offense because they have
Ceedee Lamb, who's arguably the best receiver in the country
and a great return guy, plus the run game with
Jalen Hurts and what Lincoln Riley does. It's just Utah's
better on defense and they're they're they're really good on
the defensive line. But if Oklahoma comes out and beats
Baylor by double digits, I think Oklahoma will overtake them

(59:07):
unless Utah just absolutely blows or again out of the building.
I think things are trending in the Sooner's way as
my read on it right now. How what was your
reaction to Chris Peterson resigning. Surprised by the timing, not
entirely shocked because just knowing Jimmy Lake as I have
for a while, Jimmy Lake was the heir apparent. He

(59:29):
could have been the head coach at Colorado last year.
He didn't want to go. He's had other big money
opportunities as a coordinator. When he turned out in the
Colorado job, he and I had talked. I knew that
he was going to be the head coach at some
point at Washington, And just knowing Chris Peterson a little bit, uh,
he's not the kind of guy who wanted to be

(59:50):
in this rat race of coaching in college football and
this you know, the way it is now for a
long long time. And so I think the timing seemed
to be right. I thought it might happen next year
instead of happened this year. And and I do think
that the place is set up pretty well, like you mentioned, uh,
with with Lincoln Riley has taken over for Stoops as

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well as certainly Ryan Day. I think this is similar.
I don't think it's set up quite as strong in
terms of how they've recruited, but I think it's a
really good situation that that they have there. And I
don't think people are gonna look at and go, oh,
Chris Peterson left because he really wants to be the
USC job. I mean, Chris Peterson could have been the
USC head coach five years ago if he really wanted to,

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and that you know, that's not him. He doesn't want
to be out here in the middle of more of
a fish bowl with everybody in his business. That's the
voice of Bruce Feldman from Fox Sports joining us on
the Doug Gotlip Show. Okay, So then you have all
these other coaches coaching jobs are open um Old miss
which just bizarre way um in which they lose the

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Egg Bowl. You got Missouri, who when they first got
in the SEC, far more far more competitive, uh that
they have been recently obviously since since their coaching change.
And then you have Arkansas, who keeps trying to throw
money at a problem you can't seem to fix it.
Which is the best of those three jobs? Wow? Uh
it used to be. Arkansas's not anymore because they have

(01:01:16):
struggled so much. And Missouri is a job I think
a lot of people are just not comfortable with. I mean,
it's weird to say it because it's the worst, Like
right now, it's the it's the worst program in terms
of what they're doing on the field. But it might
be Arkansas. I mean there's resources. Their old miss have
some good young players. UM. You know, if I'm Mike Norvell,

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who is a hot commodity right now at Memphis, he's
just an hour away. You know, I think Mike Novelle
is a player in the Florida State search. But if
I were to guess and Mike novellans have played receiver
in college at Central Arkansas, UM, you know, I don't know.
It's kind of beauties in the eye to beholder. None
of those jobs are quote unquote rate jobs. But I

(01:02:01):
think it's who do you have the most connection to
UM And at this point it's just it just depends
on what what kind of flavor ice cream you like?
Lane kifn get one of these jobs, if he would,
I think I think he would have a shot at Arkansas.
I know he's interviewed there UM recently, very recently. And

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keep in mind the A D who who he interviewed
with at Houston where he almost got the job a
few years ago. That's the A D at at Arkansas now.
So he's done a nice job at at f a U.
He obviously brings a presence to him. He's a really
good play caller and offensive mind. I think he would
recruit really well. It's just a matter of you know,

(01:02:43):
how how confident is Arkansas doing that and who knows?
Usf is open to now, and that's a better job
than the one Lane Kiffin has right now, and he
would probably you know, he grew up in that area
to spend a bunch of time in Tampa, so I
shouldn't Tay grew up there but spent a you know
a bunch of time in Tampa. So I think that
that's something that probably would be attractive to him too.

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So I think he may have some good options this morning.
Bruce Felman joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. You've, as you said, you've seen
Oklahoma four times in person. Best guess does do the
do the pros intrigue? Lincoln Riley not as much as
most people think. I think if Lincoln Riley sits there

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and looks at and goes, man, you know, I got
a young family. He's very comfortable here. I worked for
the best a d in college sports. Jokastiglione. I got
all my guys now on my staff that are you know,
people I'm close to. They like this thing is rolling
we're recruiting well, people know what what our our identity is. Um,

(01:03:50):
I'm not sure he's that guy he dreamed of being
the Atlanta Falcons coach or definitely I don't see him
going to want, you know, want to be working for
the Redskins and working for you know, he's got a
really good like leadership situation. I don't see him wanting
to go to some volatile place. Uh, you know. I
think if he wants to do that, he knows he
could be an NFL coach five years from now. I

(01:04:12):
think he also knows right now, I have a good
defensive coordinator, I have some we're recruiting pretty well. We're
you know, this thing is is rolling. I can make
a run and win in some national titles here. I'm
not sure he's ready to jump again. I wouldn't be
shocked by anything. But I think he's a guy who
who feels like he's in a really good situation right now.

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Joe Burrow wins and is it even close? No, No,
it's not. I mean the fact is, Joe Burrow's old school.
Ohio State may have three of the next four best candidates,
and so that's gonna split split those votes. I mean,
unless Joe Burrow like goes zero for twenty, he's going
to run away with this thing. I mean, he has

(01:04:56):
changed completely the way people think about L s U
foot ball right now. He's not only done that, he's
been phenomenal in big games. I mean, I don't think
it's like I don't think anybody's gonna be close to
If you don't have Joe Burrow on either first or
second much less, then you shouldn't have a Heisman vote
at this point. Yeah, I tend to agree with you.

(01:05:17):
Bruce's great senior still water. Um. I can't wait to
see it uh in the very near future. In the meantime,
keep keep up the great work with all the reporting.
We will talk to you very very soon, my pleasure.
Dr That's the one and only Bruce Feldman. Does Jason
Garrett really deserve all the blame for the Cowboys underperforming
the season? We'll discuss next. Be sure to catch the

(01:05:38):
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio a app. And Now, this was former
Dallas Cowboy Orlando Scandrick on First Things First, this morning
talking about Jason Garrett and the underperforming Cowboys. I don't
know how you blame that on Garrett because it's because

(01:05:59):
it's situational football. It's it's how well you're doing close games.
It's those tiny decisions that the Ravens are showing with
his fault, that punts are getting blocked. What you know what,
Ultimately what I said that he ultimately takes it because
he's the leader of the team. But I mean, Jerry
has put these people in place, just like Jerry put

(01:06:21):
Jason in place one way it was a coach. He's
put Kellen Moore in place. He okay that he put
Chris Rochard there. So it's kind of you got an
owner and a general manager that has the final saying everything.
I mean, I don't I'm hard pressed in blament on it. Yeah,
but the problem with to me, the problem with that
is the problem. The issue with the Cowboys is not
that they don't have enough good players. Fire them, get
rid of them, bring in Lincoln Riley, and then what
are you do when you placing you don't have the

(01:06:42):
same players. Well, I think I think you have to
hold these players accountable because I feel like this team,
But I think he does hold them accountable, but he
doesn't do it publicly. But if you go sit in
a team meet and he's holding everybody accountable, he's putting
everything on a lie. He's putting it out there. That's
Orlando Scandrick. I think there's a lot of truth to
what he's saying. Obviously he's lived it and I understand it.

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And this is one of the issues with Jerry where Jerry,
to a fault, always has the players backs, and that's
kind of the way you roll with the Cowboys. The
first guy to get the blame is the head coach.
Now that's that's that's the case in most places, uh,
head coach, offenseive coordinator, quarterback, those are the guys who
get the blame. Is it his fault that punch are

(01:07:27):
getting blocked? I guess at the end of the day, sure,
if you're not willing to make a change or fix
some things on special teams, ultimately it is it is
your fault. It does become your deal. Right, he takes
the blame, that doesn't mean it's his fault. I I
do think sometimes we conflate people that take the blame

(01:07:48):
and if it's their fault, and those two things are vastly,
vastly different. Um Now, Jerry Jones claims that the second
Jason Garrett's on the market, he'll get another head coaching job.
I do don't know if that's the case. Do I
think he's a bad head coach? Not necessarily. Do I
think he's a great one. No, I think he's good.
And I also think that all things considered, it for

(01:08:11):
the most part, has worked, but it works to a limit.
Just like quarterbacks, we'll see Kirk Cousins tonight, like primetime game,
there's a limit to Kirk Cousins. We feel like he
can't at the very elite level. That's when the Peter
principal comes in, the same thing with coaches coaching, where
it's not that Jason Garrett's not a good coach, it's
just that he might not be a great coach. Now,

(01:08:33):
the second question for the Cowboys is can they get
a great coach? Can they get a great coach? That
I think is as big a question as how good
a coach is Jason Garrett, because they've had two great coaches,
Bill Parcels and Jimmy Johnson, and neither truly enjoyed their

(01:08:53):
experience working for Jerry. So I I I'm of the
mindset that everyone knows the limitations of the coaching staff
they're trying to overcome. They probably also know the the
limitations of their players that they're trying to overcome. And
Jerry does this. He puts himself between the coaches and

(01:09:16):
the players, supporting the players and the coaches know this,
but also makes it very hard if you are were
to fire adjacent Garrett to find somebody to hire. Say,
you know, um, do you guys? You guys ever seen
the of the movie That Thing You Do? That Thing

(01:09:36):
you Do? Part of it, the part that was supposed
to be filmed in Erie, Pennsylvania, was actually filmed in
my hometown of Orange, California, The Orange Circle. So, um,
have you've seen the movie? It's Tom Hanks movie, but
Tom Hanks plays more of the manager than he does
actually kind of a lead role in it. Do you

(01:09:57):
know the movie Ronis? We were looking for for audio
kind I'm sorry, what was the Tom Hanks um That
Thing You Do? Yes, where he's the manager of a band. Yes,
and the band is a one hit wonder a matter
of fact, they're called the Wonders. Right, and their mispronounced
as the one eiters, but they're the they're the they're
the Wonders. I think we have to at least open

(01:10:20):
ourselves up to the possibility that that's the Philadelphia Eagles.
That's the Philadelphi Eagles. It doesn't mean that other that
that the players stink or that the coaches stink. It
just all came together perfectly. I want you to think
back to that year, right, Aaron Rodgers was hurt. I

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was the collar bone year, right, the collar bon year.
UM Tony Romo was hurt. Also collar bone year. That
was the year he retired. So you had no Aaron Rodgers,
no Tony Romo, and Seattle was going through the beginning

(01:11:04):
of the end of the legion of boom those and
then Minnesota had Sam Bradford first game of the year,
he plays great, and then he basically never played decently
ever again played. I think he tried to play the
next weekendst. Pittsburgh and then didn't play the rest of
the season. They had case Keenum, the Saints went into Minnesota,

(01:11:24):
had the game won, If not for the Minnesota miracle um,
the Rams made the playoffs for the first time that year,
and they were beating by the Falcons, and the Falcons
were coming off of their own Super Bowl collapse and
they had their own Super Bowl hangover. And the Falcons

(01:11:45):
actually beat the Rams on the road and could have
beaten the Eagles in Philadelphia had fourth down through it
up to Julio Jones a bad pass and they could
have won that game. Like in order for the Eagles
to get to a Super Bowl, they got a Minnesota
team that didn't belong there, quarter by quarterback by case

(01:12:07):
Keenum in Atlanta team who's terrible on the road and
still nearly beat him. Those were their two games. Those
are two games. Folds was coached by like five guys
are now spread out throughout the NFL, but they were
all on one coaching staff, and the offense was so

(01:12:29):
good that he assumed Carson Wentz was gonna win. The
m v P had thirty three touchdown passes and only
played like I'm gonna say, twelve or thirteen games that year.
So he walks in stacked deck depleted NFC with an
unbelievable coaching staff and they win a Super Bowl. And

(01:12:52):
what happens. There's some jealousy towards Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz
is the lead singer that didn't sing the big hit song. Right,
He's the lead singer of the band, but for whatever reason,
he didn't actually record the number one hit, even though
had he had bit his voice perfectly and it would
have been a gold record. Like, they're a one hit
wonder and I don't look negatively upon one hit wonders.

(01:13:17):
I don't because they have one more hit than you
me and of all bands. But that's who The Eagles
are are coming up next. The Patriots are clearly not
one hit wonders. But is this their final final tour?
All right? We'll get to that next. In the Doug

(01:13:37):
Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has the
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listen live. What a Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Man,
I hope you're having a great day. Ravens fans having

(01:13:59):
a of time. That's because Lamar Jackson's He's a video game.
He's a video game. Uh. Kudos to the Houston Texans linebackers.
Last week is mortal Kombat this week? Would they show
up as who they're supposed to be? Oh, this was
a swat team. You can look. Here's the deal with
the Freddy Kitchens. You can uh, you can talk the talk,

(01:14:24):
but you gotta walk to walk. Right, that's the deal.
You can talk to talk, but you gotta walk the walk.
And now all of a sudden he's having the answer
questions about a T shirt where he said Pittsburgh started.
It weird that that thing has gone so sideways. Of course,
speaking of the Houston Texans, Uh, they were up big

(01:14:45):
to nine, I believe on the Patriots. Patriots, Uh scored
a couple of late and made it interesting with her
down six kicking on side kicking, got a hand on
it but could not corral it, and the Texans end
up taking any Then a really weird did you guys
see the blow by handshake by Belichick and Bill O'Brien.
B o b used to be on staff there, obviously

(01:15:07):
trying to steal his assistant GM and make him your
own GM has soured some relationships. Let's welcome in Charles Robinson,
NFL inside of Yahoo Sports. What's behind the blow by handshake? There?
I was awkward between Bill O'Brien and his former boss,
Nick kiss Aio. The Texans ill faded pursuit of uh

(01:15:32):
Nick kiss Ario from the Patriots did not sit well
with Bill and how it was handled. I think I
think there's some bad blood there. I I would not
be surprised if Nick kiss Ario, if Josh McDaniel departs
the sauce season, if Nick kiss Ario is the package
general manager who departs with him to a new locale.

(01:15:54):
But I think I think the Patriots just felt like
and and Bill in particular felt like he was owed, um,
a little more above board treatment by Bill O'Brien when
when the Texans went after Nick kiss Ario and how
that whole thing unfolded. I mean, look, when when Bill
and the Patriots go after the Texans, with the league

(01:16:15):
essentially saying, you know that this is tamper. You can't
just go after guys like this, Um, you know, there's
gonna be some hard feelings there. And it didn't help
that that Bill O'Brien also pulls off the win against
Bill Belichick. All right, how how people inside the NFL,
what are they saying about the Patriots and the likelihood
of you know, they're kind of pulling a little many
cowboys here right where they're beating the bad teams and

(01:16:38):
not the good. I know they beat the Bills, but
Josh Allen got hurt in that game. Otherwise, I'm not
sure the Bills don't win that game. Um, but there's
some similarities there, and now they have the Chiefs. What
are people in the league saying about this Patriots team, Yeah,
that's legitimate. I mean, you know, I haven't had a
lot of talks with anybody since yesterday about the Patriots,
but earlier in the season, when they were fattening up

(01:17:00):
on a bad schedule, there was a lot of you know,
complaining by other you know, executives and coaches were saying, like,
you know, look at their division. You know, they don't
play a tough team until you know, really the last
quarter of the season, like you know, you guys are
all right and him in is another super Bowl you know,
caliber team, and yet they haven't played anybody. And I

(01:17:20):
think what's interesting is particularly pro personalities who were breaking
down film of the Patriots kept saying the same thing
over and over again. At some point, you gotta have
somebody in the seams, and that was always Rob groun
gouse groundhouse. He's not there. He's going to be missed
in the running game down the stretch like elite level
tight end blocker. Um. And then you know, a mentality

(01:17:42):
brings to the locker room. Plus listen to Marius Thomas
there and gone, Josh Gordon there and gone, Antonio Brown
there and gone. You can't go through three different wide
receivers who you thought were going to contribute, and then poof,
all you got is Julian Edelman. At some point teams
were going to figure out, hey, let's they'll well Julian
Ediments if they can still beat us, Oh, you can't

(01:18:02):
run because you don't have essentially uh six blocker on
the line, inline blocker and Rob Gronkowski who was amazing
on the edge versus defensive ends and linebackers. Well boo,
who welcome to you know the problem everyone else has
been dealing with. Let's see now this is the key here.
I know Robert Craft has said, you know, and the

(01:18:23):
Patriots have said no, no, we're We've moved on from
Antonio Brown. I'm telling you Tom Brady is sending every
single signal he can to the Patriots if there's any way,
this guy is going to be cleared by the NFL.
We need to bring him back in the fold. I
don't think they're gonna do it, but that's definitely what
Brady wants. That's the voice of Charles Robinson, NFL Inside

(01:18:43):
for Yahoo Sports. Let's let's get to the Ravens and, um, look,
the elements obviously limited a limited Lamar some Um I thought,
I thought, you know, I look, at some point, at
some point, aren't they going to hit him at the
mesh point? You know, even when he hands it off
technically you gotta one thousand one. It's not like when

(01:19:04):
you throw the ball where you know, yeah, I think
yesterday there was three roughing the passer calls where they
hit him a little bit late. At what point are
other team's gonna start to hit Lamar Jackson even after
he hands off the ball. I they'll hit him when
they can. I mean, it's not like teams aren't trying to.
It's not like teams don't want to hit him. I mean,
he's just debating it. He's he's been very adept at

(01:19:26):
avoiding the massive head on hit. And and it's funny
because you know, you talk to teams who kind of
look at quarterbacks who have the ability to run without
hurting themselves. Russell Wilson is one of those guys, very
very good runner without allowing himself to get tattooed by
UH defenders. Very smart about the way that that he
moves with the ball. You know, when he when he

(01:19:49):
creates opportunities for people to hit him. And Lamar right
now is some of that. But then there's that whole
extra gear of speed where guys just can't calculate it. Now.
At some point, I think it's gonna be like Vic.
I think it's gonna be like you know, Vince Young
or or some of these other guys who were really
good with the ball in their hands. People will figure
out how to calculate. They'll catch up with how what

(01:20:10):
the proper angle is on you, especially within the division
of familiarity. I just don't know if that's going to
happen this year, um, but it's to me the test
of and I think Lamar Jackson is all that he's
cracked up to be as a leader. I think as
a developing player, his accuracy has gotten better. It's been
way underplayed how much better his accuracy has gone and

(01:20:30):
remember I think he's like what twenty two now, Um,
he's developed quite a bit over the last two years.
But we'll see when he suffers some sort of an
injury or something nagging that takes away his ability to move,
I'm very curious to see. You know, that is where
these other parts of the development will come into play
for him and we'll find out, you know, is he

(01:20:51):
an upper echelon, do everything quarterback or just an upper
echelon quarterback where if you take away part of his game,
he can still be an m VP caliber player. Well,
the thing for me is, I think twofold one. You know,
defenses aren't designed to stop this type of offense right
in the right. They spend the entire offseason thinking how
do we stop spread? How do we stop West Coast? Right?

(01:21:12):
How do we stop They're they're catching up to McVeigh,
so they I think they will catch up in terms
of personnel to this style. And then the next then
the next thing is like, yeah, he's he is accurate,
but I'm I'm blown away by they're running plays that
that for throws he can make you mentioned the seams,
he's really good inside the numbers. He's not great on

(01:21:35):
the outside and he very very rarely throws it outside
the numbers. Right. Well, I mean they made no bones
about this offseason if you went through there, particularly in
training camp, they were honest. It was like, look, we've
tailored everything to him. We're not gonna sit here and go, um, well,
let's develop him into this thing that he's not at yet.
Instead like surround him with players where we can get

(01:21:57):
them the ball quickly, you know, and and we don't
have to let things develop over a long period of
time for him. But we're also not going to take
away We're not going to do like let's say, you know,
Carolina they bring in North Turner and then North just
looking at cam Newton like okay, well, we got to
turn you into more of a you know, a pocket
passer than you have bet or you're gonna end up
getting even or even what the Redskins tried to do
with r G three. First year they ran Baylor stuff.

(01:22:20):
Second year they tried to they tried to run you know,
the Channahan offense, and that doesn't work. Yeah, And I
don't I don't think they've shied away from We're going
to continue to do what your bread and butter is, Hey,
you know, do we we we put some element of
risk on you. Yes, we do, but you also do
he does have a special gear. I'm out of trouble
up until this point. And I kind of thought it

(01:22:42):
was interesting because this was a conditions game. This was
the game where I'm like, ball is gonna be slick?
Number one, It's gonna be harder for him to throw,
and then the conditions are gonna be slicker. Is he
going to have a more difficult time turning guys inside out?
Obviously didn't have a more difficult time running um. Some
of the throw was wobbled a little bit. You could
see the balls a little a bit slick. But I
I just I keep telling people the one thing that

(01:23:04):
separates him, I feel like from other guys and and
and Michael Vick in particular, because he talked about the similarities.
They're an athlete everyone inside that Baltimore organization. And then
I knew some coaches on the Louisville staff say the
same thing. He works non right, he's really hard. He's
Mike Vick without the off the field distractions, and that

(01:23:25):
that the idiots surrounding him, which got Mike Vick in
trouble right like and with anyone, and an offense that
not only is tailored to what he does, it's tailored
to what he's always done. Now that's that's the thing,
Like he doesn't have to learn how to play football
any differently than he's always played. Maybe refine it something
for the NFL, but but really it's kind of amazing

(01:23:46):
what they've done. The question also is what happens when
they start to hit him. Charles Robinson joining us um
are the Vikings convinced that Kirk Cousins can win big games.
I think they see more. I think they feel better
about it now than they did earlier in the season.
You know, I think the fact that they went in,
you know, they went through some bumps. Obviously with Kirk,

(01:24:08):
there was the moment where, you know, Stefon Diggs, although
now he you know, tries to play it off like
he was always on on kirk sides in this whole thing.
There were times where he and Adam Feeling both kind
of called it out. But I think they actually helped
Kirk because what ultimately happened was you had a conversation
between Mike Zimmer and the front office where it was like, look,

(01:24:29):
we went and got this guy because we believed he
would be a guy who gore in football games for us.
We can't go into a shell and try to change
the offense and the more of a running game, more
of something that protects your defense, Mike. We have to
let Kirk Cousins just make mistakes and work his way
out of it. And I think, you know, he's He's
had enough moments during the course of the season, and
I think that they're in a better place now than

(01:24:51):
they were, you know, two months ago with Kirk Cousins. Now,
I don't until Kirk Cousins makes it to the playoffs
and actually wins that kind of an environment. Forget Monday
night football, forget you know, a Sunday night game or
the big you know, the big whatever, the big game is,
you know whatever, the time, the time is, that month, whatever.
He's just youve got to get to the playoffs. He's

(01:25:11):
got to win games. That's where he's going to justify
this signing and change that. UM. I guess that feeling
about him, but he is what he is right now
until he does that. He's a big stats guy who's
had some better moments this year than in years past,
I like, in the Eagles to a one hit wonder,
like in music you know where, where so much of
the band has broken up in terms of coaching, staff

(01:25:33):
and so many things. I do think that though they
were a dominant team that year before Carson Wentz got hurt.
People forget Rogers was hurt. That was the year that
Tony Romo retired Deshan you know in the in the
a f C. Even Deshaun Watson was in the NFC alone.
You know, Sam Bradford out for the year. Uh, they
had case Keenum as their quarterback. The Saints had Minnesota
beat right and and if not for the Minnesota miracle

(01:25:56):
and Stefon Diggs, they play the Saints, who were probably
a better team. A lot of things went their way.
They survive Atlanta in their first playoff game, and they
get Minnesota with case Keenum in their second playoff game.
I feel like they're just it's it's a little bit
of a one hit wonder, and we're expecting them to
put together a second album and we just won't. It

(01:26:17):
just they'll never recapture that magic. Is that possible? You
don't forget about Brandon Cook's going out in the Super
Bowl of concussion. Huge was another situation where even in
that game, um yeah, I mean there were certain elements.
I you mentioned the coaches, and I think people way
underplay that. I mean, you know, you removed Frank Reich,
you know John d Filippo, you had, I mean, you

(01:26:37):
had three quarterbacks on that staff, who you know. I
think we're able to do a lot of creative things
with offense. I think part of okay, there, I'll give
you the two things that are wrong with the Eagles
that if they had resolved these things, I think it
would have made far more difference this year than anyone realizes.
Number One, they completely screwed up the past this year,
past rush situation that I was there in training camp.

(01:26:59):
You know, it's sort of, ok, maybe Chris Long will
just show up towards the new training camp. And then
when that never happened, it was sort of like, well,
maybe they'll acquire Jadeveon Clowney, And they went down the
road pretty far in those talks for Jadeveon Clowney didn't
pull the trigger, and so ultimately you were left with
no consistent edge pressure, you know. And then when there
were some injuries defensively up front. That created a lot

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of problems for for Jim Schwartz, who has not done
well with the secondary. So that's one. Number two. Everything
was DeShawn Jackson deep completely changed the complexion of the offense.
Made the Titans and Zach Eric and Dallas got her
we're exponentially better when you had somebody stretching the back
into that defense and they knew they could not count
it al Shan Jeffrey being that guy and being healthy

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all season long. So when you lost to Sean Jackson,
I think it completely changed the complexion, the deep complexion
of that offense and even the running game to some
To some degree, I just think there are a lot of,
you know, mistakes, small personnel mistakes that they made that
I think are still correctable. But you'll see there will
be some They're going to be some staff changes there,
and I don't think he'll be in the big positions,

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but you'll see some tweaking with some of the assistant
coaches to try and get that thing better. Jason Garrett
obviously catching a ton of heat, but if he wins
a couple of playoff games, he keeps his job, right
if he I think if he goes the NFC Title
Game and there, if they don't win the NFC Title Game,
but they're competitive, I think it gives Jerry a lot

(01:28:24):
to think about. But I'm just gonna tell you right now.
They did a look in. They did a check in
with Sean Payton last offseason just to see are you
sure you're gonna stay in New Orleans, Like they back
channeled it, checked out his contract, and it was like
it became clear to the Cowboys the only way they
were getting Sean Payton off of the Saints was by
some ridiculous trade. It was never gonna happen. And then

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Sean Payton signs the contract extension with the Saints in
the fall. That to me, talking to people in Dallas,
it's signaled like, hey, if Jason is not going to
be be there, they're swinging for the fences, on on
whatever the next hires to be. But I still believe
if he really puts it together and they get to
the NFC Title Game, it's just hard for me to
believe Jerry's gonna walk from that because that is technically

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a step forward from last year. Check out his podcast.
It's really good. Um, it's the Yahoo Sports NFL podcast.
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Jah's great stuff as always. Can't tell you how much
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(01:29:29):
we'll have one tomorrow more tomorrow. I'm just having I'm
guest host, guest that that's what we'll do. Is this
the best Ohio State team We've ever seen? A little
hyperbole you'll find out next. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
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the I Heart Radio app for people who don't know.
Rever is the author of a fantastic book. Okay, fantastic
book like if you're gonna buy something for somebody for Christmas.
It's called Opening Kickoff. You can anywhere bookstores can get
it in paper paperback. Uh. It's the tumultuous book Birth
of Football Nation, and it kind of goes back a

(01:30:11):
hundred years right and talks about um a couple of
older stories but specifically one older character in football. So
you know the history of the Big Ten and of
college football. People are saying this maybe the best oh
House State team ever. Is that blasphemy or or possibly accurate?
I mean, they are awfully good. You know, it's interesting

(01:30:32):
because the dynamic of college football has changed so much, Doug.
I mean, when I was growing up in the Midwest,
it was the Big two in the Little eight and
there was no one else in the discussion, and the
rosters were so much bigger, and so, you know, it
was it was easier to assemble amazing teams. It's it's
harder now, although I would I would say that they

(01:30:54):
are about six or seven teams that kind of tend
a battle now for all of the best players. As
you're well, war and recruiting change in that way, and
it's easier to identify players than it was back then.
But I mean in this climate where there there has
seemed to be at least kind of theoretically more parody
for them to be as loaded as they are on

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both sides of the ball. And going into the last
week they were leading the nation and scoring offense and
scoring defense. I think they've now dropped the fourth in
scoring defense. But I mean they're just loaded. They're so athletic.
The only issue to me is backup quarterback and it
hasn't been an issue this year. There was a brief
moment where it looked like it might be in that
game against Michigan when Justin Fields went down and had

(01:31:37):
to go into that treatment tent. They're awfully good. I mean,
they have first round picks all over the field, they're
so athletic, and they're incredibly well coached, pretty good combination.
How far away is Michigan from a last It's a
long way, Doug, it really is. But I don't know
that that's I mean, it isn't indictment of Michigan because

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it's Michigan, and they're the winnings pro rom of all
time and they have the most conference championships in the
Big Ten and all those things. So I'm not excusing Michigan.
They believe that they are in the discussion with Ohio State,
or should be in the discussion with Ohio State every year,
and they're just not. They've lost fifteen and sixteen games,
and the one year was basically the one transition year

(01:32:18):
when Luke Finckle coached Ohio State. But basically when Ohio
State has kind of been gitting on all cylinders doing
what they expect to be doing. They've beaten Michigan every
single year for a decade and a half. But I
guess I would say that we're really I think in
a climate right now, like, you know, how close is
the rest of the A SEC to Clemson? How close
is the rest of the SEC the l s U

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and Alabama? How close the rest of the Big twelve
to Oklahoma? Uh? You know, I guess I just think
there's six. I think they are like seven teams that
are really good, that are gonna be great year in
and year out, and then you do have you know, yeah, look,
I mean TWA gets hurt and Alabama all of a
sudden becomes vulnerable. You know, maybe somebody transfers and another

(01:33:02):
school becomes vulnerable or you know, again, injuries are strange things.
But but I think we're at a stage where Ohio
State hasn't just separated themselves from Michigan, They've pretty much
separated themselves from the rest of the league. And I
think that's that's the case in other leagues in the country,
to where yeah, I mean, look, Penn State could beat
him in an odd year, you go into Iowa and
get beaten. But but I just think in terms of

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the program, the breadth of the program where they are
versus where the rest of the league is, that they're
much better than everyone in the league. I agree. I
also think that look, um, it's heart Penn States. Penn
State's got a dynamic head coach and they've got it going,
and even they are a giant step below Ohio State. Right,

(01:33:44):
look at what's happened to Michigan State since Penn State
has been back, and Michigan, like Marktdonia, is a hell
of a coach. It's an amazing job. And they are
right now the number clear number four in that division alone,
and they were one of the best teams the league
before Michigan figured stuff out and Penn State figures out.
I think that speaks to the depth of really good

(01:34:07):
in the conference and then Ohio State being great and
then look in Nebraska right like that was supposed to
work and it's still very much a work in progress.
It certainly is. I mean, look, the other side is
is easier. I Mean, I don't think there's any question
about it that the West is a far easier division.
I something Nebraska is going to figure it out under
Scott Fross. I think he kind of needs to get

(01:34:28):
that point where it's all his guys. Are they going
to be though, at the level of where they are
in the nineties, No, They're just not. And I don't
think anyone expects that in Nebraska. I mean maybe in
an odd year they could do it and compete for
a national championship, but I think people want to see
them be what Wisconsin is, where you're in and year out,
you're expected to be the best team in the division,
and and then maybe there's a year where one I

(01:34:50):
have every four you kind of put it together. I
just think that's kind of where the rest of the
league is and where most of college football is right now.
I think you have a handful of programs they year
in and year out, expect to compete for a national championship,
and then everyone else is kind of sitting around in
all of these conferences waiting for those guys to stumble
and seeing if if there's a year where they compounds
and again, like had Fields gotten hurt earlier this year?

(01:35:13):
I mean I can just tell you from being a
camp and and those who have watched them. I mean,
Chris Chuganaw has been fine when he's come in, but
he's come in and blowouts. You know, He's just there's
no card Ail Jones sitting on that bench for Ohio State.
So that was kind of the hope I would say
for other people in the league was you know, maybe
they'll have a rash of injuries, maybe what happened to
Alabama this year would happen to Ohio State. But absent that,

(01:35:35):
there just isn't anyone at their level. And again, I
think it's more a statement on Ohio State than it
is on everyone else. I just understand that Michigan and
Penn State have designs of being at that level. They
believe they should be at that level. There have been
times historically what have been and so from that point
of view, it's gotta be tough to swallow. Last time
Ohio State faced Wisconsin, they pinted the first three times

(01:35:58):
they got the ball like it wasn't remember this Wisconsin team,
if people remember that, was coming off the devastating loss
to Illinois, right where they were experiened supposed to be
the biggest game of the year. And they had a
big lead and they lose Illinois, UM, but it does
lead you to believe they can at least contain Ohio State.
It got away from him late, but it was it
was tend nothing in half and it was a late

(01:36:19):
touch the late drive touchdown for Ohio State that made
it tend nothing. How competitive do you think the Badgers
can be in December and compared to how they were
going back to October, Well, that was a bad weather game. Uh,
you know you're not gonna have that ish clearly inside
a dome stadium in Indie. I do think that that

(01:36:39):
favors Ohio State. They are certainly so much faster. Yeah,
they're just really athletic. And again it's not an indictment
of Wisconsin as much it is I comment on Ohio State.
Wisconsin is a really talented team. They did a great
job with Jonathan Taylor, and Wisconsins have to figure out
a way to get him going. They have a good
pass game and they showed it last week against Minnesota

(01:37:00):
to but it's not a great pass game. It's still
their off hand. Their bread and butter is still get
involved Jonathan Taylor, and I just don't know that they'll
be able to run it consistently on Ohio State, and
then they got to figure out something with Chase Young.
I mean, you know that was the game. If you
recall where all of a sudden people started to consider, man,
this guy legitimately could be a Hospit Trophy contender and
he's the best player in college football and all that rhetor.

(01:37:21):
It kind of came out of the way that they
manhandled Wisconsin, a program that takes such pride this offensive line.
So I think a lot of things have to go
right for Wisconsin. You know, they basically have to play
the perfect game to beat Ohio State, and the Buckeyes
have to be a little bit off, and they just
haven't been off this year. But you're right. I mean,
it was a competitive game, no doubt, in that first
half in Columbus before it just kind of slipped away

(01:37:43):
from Wisconsin. Jim Leonard's defense at an excellent job early
on in that bad weather. We'll see, it's a massive
challenge here on the fast track in any Dave Revson
Big Ten Network joining US Big Ten Championship game upcoming
this weekend between Wisconsin and Ohio State. Um sticking in
the in the league, Rutgers does get there, and as
they had great Ciano and he backed out, Uh, then

(01:38:04):
he takes the job. Uh My sense is that, look,
he understands the job. I think they understand the job
of the difficulty. And we talked about how hard that
division is. He did a great job and was one
game over five when they're mostly in the Big East.
Can you win there? Though? Can you even get to
the respectable level considering every year they had to play

(01:38:28):
Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State know how to state? It
is a brutal division. I mean, I will say he
took over a total trade wreck. So I mean those
first few years distort his record. I know, I agree.
I mean that anyone who wants to make an indictment
of him being average or like, there's a reason that
Tampa hired him and nobody wins at it because what
he had done and how many NFL players and how

(01:38:50):
how how much that program a grown. But it was
a different league and a completely different animal. Totally, Yeah, no,
no doubt. I mean, this is a much harder Rutgers
job than it is then, for exactly the reasons you
just outlined. Um, you know, look, the first couple of
years they were in the Big Ten, they were pretty competitive.
I mean, you know, we remember their first Big Ten game.

(01:39:11):
I mean they were leading Penn State most of the game.
Uh they beat Michigan. Um, So it's it's not completely
ridiculous to think that the Rutgers could be somewhat you know,
middle of the road. I mean, could they do what,
you know, be a ball team most years and maybe
every once in a while compete closer to the top

(01:39:33):
of the division. Yeah. But I mean again, like if
Michigan can't scale that mountain, I just don't. I don't
see how Rutgers is gonna be able to. But again,
I think they set their sights differently. I think they
set their sights on being competitive, and I think they
can be. I think he's a really good coach. He
totally understands the landscape. I think he clearly gets that
they're gonna have to completely overhaul the rostery is a

(01:39:55):
plan for doing it. Everyone's kind of on board, and
I do think that's the one thing it why they
kind of needed to get him, because you do need
alumni support, you need the giving, you need the governor
to care and think this is a big thing. I mean,
you really need everything, you need everyone ALIGNE has to
be a hire that everyone believes in. So kudos to
them for for eventually getting it done. I mean, I guess,

(01:40:18):
I I just think it's kind of what are your expectations.
Your expectations are to win the division? You know, No,
I don't think they can do that. If your expectations
are to be competitive, to be a bold team most
years two, to kind of do it right, to be
out there. And you say this is a realistic competitive
Big Ten team, Yeah, I think they can do that,

(01:40:39):
but it's a it is a much tougher ask than
it was in the Big East. Dave Revson, Big Ten
Network joining US. UM, last thing we saw Chris Peterson
decide to he said, recharge feels like that's maybe not
a full retirement. But he's in his fifties. You saw
Urban Meyer do it last year obviously at the Brain System.
And the second time he's walked away Bob Stoops, you know,

(01:41:00):
Hio native, but Oklahoma's head coach, he walked away in
his fifties. UM, I guess first, let me start with
Urban your thoughts having covered him as long as you
did the likelihood in your mind that he returns. Well,
I think at some point he might. I just, I mean,

(01:41:20):
I do think his health issues were real. He's really
good as an analyst of it. I'm sure you know.
I know you've watched him obviously with him being on Fox.
I think he's fabulous. He does work with us on
BT and two. He seems to enjoy it. So I
guess I just and you know this, Doug. I mean,
because it's the same thing with basketball guys, and for

(01:41:40):
a lot of these guys, it's like a drug. I mean,
it's just it's so hard to get it out of
your system and you get a charge out of it
in a way that's so different from doing television and
media work. And so it's just a matter of kind
of balancing that of can I can I to this

(01:42:00):
other thing, and well I get enough fulfillment out of
it that that I can leave the other behind. And
I think that's different for every guy I know. Urban
still has really engaged and watches a ton and loves it.
Um it wouldn't surprise me at all were he to
go back to it. I think it would have to
be the right situation. I have to be a place
that could win a national championship. I don't think he's

(01:42:22):
going somewhere to kind of do a rebuild. You know,
he's he's not doing you know, Lou Holtz went to
South Carolina. Like, he's not going to South Carolina. You know,
He's going somewhere you can win a national championship. I
don't know. The money is so overwhelming in this day
and age, and all these guys are set forever. The
kids are set forever, their grand childs are set forever.
So the only thing that that pulls you back is

(01:42:43):
just your competitive juices. And I think it's just different
for each guy. Yeah, and I think I think the
money and the pressure that the fact that the money
is there so that it's an all encompassing job, more
guys can walk away where they like, you know what,
I'm good. I got a lot of money. It's more
than ever thought i'd make coaching, and I just I'm
I'm kind of good. I feel like that's what happened

(01:43:04):
with Chris Peterson. Whether or not he comes back to
coach or not, I would I would tend to think
he does not, So even though he said he recharged,
if he does maybe in more of a big sky
type deal more than the high prep. You know. You
you know just how and how much they have to recruit,
how how how difficult, how challenging the job is. It
is a three sixty five day a year job coaching

(01:43:26):
college sports, college football, and college basketball. You do you
never have downtime, you I mean, you could maybe you
go away into the beach for a week or whatever
it is, but you are constantly, constantly working. And for
some people who you know, that is kind of that's
how they identify themselves and that you know, they're complete
type of personalities. For some people that's okay. But but

(01:43:48):
I think sometimes getting out of it for a bit,
on one hand, it can make you realize how much
you miss it. And I think if there's a different
kind of person, maybe it makes him realize, hey, this
isn't so bad. What's your take on urban What do
you think? I'd don't think he coaches in the near future.
I just don't. I mean, I have to be a
dream job Cowboys Texas type scenario. Notre Dame. Yeah, although

(01:44:10):
he he turned down Notre Dame last time and I
asked him about it and he said it was because
or when the food he took the floor job, and
he says it because they looked at the roster he
just thought would be too hard. And I think it's
more challenging now with Michigan being back and Penn State
being back. You know, it's just it's really you know,
you're at a you're at you were at the prime
spot in the Midwest to get players, and no one's
ever done it without players. Yeah, I agree, I I

(01:44:35):
you know, again, I know he has a soft spot
for Notre Dame, but I mean, I tend to be
on your side. I guess. I just you know, I
didn't I didn't think he'd come back as quickly as
he did to get an Ohio State. And I don't know.
I mean, I just know he's an ultra competitive person.
But I also know he's really enjoying what he's doing,
so I would think there's probably a lot of push
and pull. All right, man, safe travels, Indy. Thanks so

(01:44:55):
much for joining us. You guys doing a great job
of the season. We'll catch up soon, alright. Like watch,
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update on the stories of the day before he makes it,

(01:45:17):
make our picks on the game of the night. Let's
get to the press, the press dB, Dan Buyer, what
do you have, sir? Yeah. We found out Friday at
the NFL suspended Cardinals defensive back Josh Shaw for gambling
or violating the league's gambling rules. Funny feeling. We found
out a little bit more about it. ESPN says that
Shaw placed a parley bet that included the Cardinals Buccaneers

(01:45:40):
game on November ten, actually betting on the Buccaneers as
part of that parlay, which he ended up losing. Yeah
so uh. Pete Rose called in to say, been in
his own team? Why is that wrong? Yeah, I've been
my own team is wrong? Yeah, Josh a'all bet against him?
He's the real one. Yes, yes, Okay. Washington and football

(01:46:02):
coach Chris Peterson with the News of the Day, stepping
down after the team's bowl game following six years with
the program. Um surprising but not shocking. Always felt like
a guy who didn't want to be in the bright
hot spotlight. Felt like a better fit at Boise than
he was even at you dub in Seattle. And I
also think this speaks to how much money these guys
are making now where they can walk away from the press,
the pressure in the stress took into a Rose Bowl

(01:46:24):
college football playoff appearance. A lot accomplished in that six years.
Trailblazers forward Karmelo Anthony named the NBA's Western Conference Player
of the Week Today. Janic's got it to the East
as odd that that is that that is a sorry
we made you sit out and you had fresh legs
and had a good week, but we'll we'll give it
to you ahead of uh, you know, ahead of several

(01:46:46):
more deserving players. But okay, Lakers, said coach Frank Vogel
was named the NBA's Western Conference Coach of the Month
for November and that little part of October. Raptors Nick
Nurse received the honor in the East. By the way,
let me just get back to the Karmela thing. Um,
did we see what James Harden did last week? Like
James Harten had sixty in a game, sixty third straight year,

(01:47:10):
sixty in a game, thirty two and eleven. This is
his week thirty two and eleven and a loss for
thirty two eleven, thirty five, thirty, thirty two, nine eleven,
thirty four, six and five sixty eight and eight assists
in three rebounds, and he was he wasn't the Conference
player of the week. Carmelo was got it. Louisville is

(01:47:32):
the new number one team in the latest day Pete
Top twenty five college troops. Pole, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan, and
Virginia runned out the top five. Duke dropped from one
to ten following that loss to Stephen F. Austin, and
they lost cash Is Stanley maybe for the year, who's
probably their second most talented freshman's from right around here,
great great athlete. I think Duke's gonna be lower than
should be. It won't be in my top ten, which

(01:47:53):
I'll put out later this week. News over the weekend
from Ken Rosenthal of the MLB on Fox in the Athletics,
saying that the Brewer will listen to offers for All
Star reliever Josh Ader m A lot of haters out there,
haters be Haydn. Mike Mustakis is now a former Brewer
of the free agent signed a four year deal with
the Cincinnati Reds worth sixty four million dollars. He is

(01:48:16):
ultimate mercenary, right all right, Left kans City got a
big paycheck now falling the check to Cincinnati, who's forever
in rebuild. But I had some mustakis for lunch. She
was fantastic. A little salt on it. It's amazing. And
that's the press, I said, that's the press. They're impressed
that I knew we had picks to get to that

(01:48:37):
we do have picks. Very nice of you. That's okay.
So give me your pick tonight, your Seahawks two and
a half point favorites at home. I'm gonna take the
Seahawks tonight. Okay, Um, what about you there, Ramos, go Hawks.
I'll take the Seahawks, the Seahawks and forty eight degrees
partly cloudy, no rain in the forecast. What about you,
right music, I am gonna go at the Seahawks only
because Ramos picked them, not because Dan did. Okay, I'm

(01:49:01):
gonna go with the Vikings. I know you shouldn't go
against Russell Wilson, and I do have a feeling that
he's running around back there trying to make a play.
They have won their last two games, including beating the
Cowboys on the road. Um, but there there haven't been
as dominant at home, although I know Monday night game
even early on the West Coast, will be loud. I
just I think the Vikings are better. I think they

(01:49:22):
run it, I think they shorten the game, and I
think Kirk Custins plays well well enough. Um, all right,
Chris Sims joins US tomorrow, so does Joe Latt stuck
out the show.

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