December 3, 2019 • 46 mins
Doug argues last night’s Monday Night Football game shows you Russell Wilson has the ‘it’ factor and Kirk Cousins doesn’t. He also reacts to breaking news in the NFL that the Panthers have fired head coach Ron Rivera and it means for Cam Newton’s future. Plus, FOX Sports lead college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to tell Doug who will get into the College Football Playoff after Championship Saturday.
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All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna make that comparison with
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night Russell Wilson wins, and I completely understand you could say, well, hey,
he threw a pick six in the first half. You know,
Russell Wilson almost like Tim tebow for a while, Russell
Wilson gets credit for putting out fires that he started.
Like I do, I get it, I do. I I
understand that we cannot give Ussell Wilson solar solely or
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even most of the credit for the winds that he's
been able to obtain during his time in Seattle. But
but how big a sample size do we actually need?
How how big of a sample size do we need
to point out that Russell Wilson just wins games, right,
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he just does. And I think the there's a lot
that we could get into in terms of is he
the most valuable player? How do you balance him out
against the Mark Jackson? You know, I do think it's interesting, Like, look,
I get what Lamar Jackson's doing. It's amazing. He didn't
throw the ball well on Sunday, but I will grant
you that it was bad weather. I'm not sure anybody
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throws the ball all together that well. But it's like
we just decide, we just decided to put on blinders
here to what other guys are doing, Like Aaron Rodgers
is amazing. Take him out the packers? Are they any good?
The answer is now, I think you take Lamar Jackson
off the Ravens and there's still a dynamic team that
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runs the football of r G three is their quarterback.
They're not as good, but it's still really good, and
they're great defensive team. They've got a great kicker. I
don't know if you can say that about the Seahawks.
I know you can't say that about the Packers. And
while Pat Mahomes didn't play well, they still won. Pat
Mahomes is statistically having an amazing year. We're just choosing
to blow through all of that. Blow through all of that.
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Russell Wilson for the season twenty six touchdowns, four interceptions.
And while he can run, he obviously doesn't run as
much as Lamar does. He's never run as much as Lamar,
but he's shown that he can't he can run. This
is Russell Wilson's career in terms of win loss record,
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eleven and five as a rookie, and I'll grant you
as a rookie, he had nine games of less than
two hundred yards passing nine nine of sixteen two on
yards passing is a nominal number even when he's running it,
and he was running in a bunch back then he
was running at a bunch back then, but they were
eleven and five, thirteen and three, twelve and four, ten
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and six, ten and five, ten, five and one, nine
and seven, ten and six, and right now they're ten
in two. He's increased, obviously, the volume of pass attempts
and the touchdowns over the last five years. He's had
thirty four y one in a down year thirty four
third when he led the league. This is three years ago,
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thirty five, and this year he leads the league with
twenty six touchdown passes. And I watched him against Kirk Cousins. Now,
Kirk Cousins statistically is maybe every bit his equal. I mean, like, look,
if we're fair about kirk Cousins, he's having an outstanding year.
And had he taken his team down the field when
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in there in their last possession when they're down three points,
suit me down four points because they missed an extra point,
had he taken them down the field, you could make
the argument that Kirk Cousins could be the m v P.
I mean, heck, so far, twenty three touchdowns, four interceptions.
Did have a bad one last night, had a big
had a big fumble. But he's already already having a
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tremendous statistical year, right, tremendous, tremendous. He's thrown for over
three hundred yards all but two games over three hundred yards.
He's thrown for over four hundred yards five different times,
and he only has what would I say, four interceptions
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the entire year. It's incredible. Kirk Cousins for his career,
for his career, his numbers will blow you away, absolutely
positively blow you away. Um. But the problem with Kirk
Cousins is, Kirk Cousins is the guy who I think.
We had Trent Dilfer on yesterday and I asked him
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if he thought Lamar Jackson could win a Super Bowl
and he said, it all comes down to third and six, right,
can you make a play third? But really it comes
down to first and ten eight yards ago? Can you
lead your team down and score a touchdown? That's really
kind of what it what it comes down to, you know,
that's really an in a nutshell. And who Kirk Cousins
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is is what you saw last night. He's really really good,
but he's the guy who always in investments ends up
finding way to break even or lose money. Whereas Russell
Wilson is the guy who always finds a way to
make a little bit of money on a deal. I'm
not gonna blame Kirk Cousins for the last all of
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the last five years. I'm just not in since he's
become a full time starter. He was nine and seven,
eight seven and one, seven and nine, eight seven and one,
and now he's eight and four with the best team
he's ever played on. But one guy is a guy
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who's one and nearly one another super Bowl and finds
a way to win those games. And Kirk Cousins is
a guy who finds a way to not win those games.
It doesn't mean he's a loser. It just means that
there's the difference between the two a substanti a substantive difference,
and we have a big enough sample size for both
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to make that determination. Kirk Cousins is the guy that
never ends up on the right side of things. Is
it always his fault? No? And Russell Wilson is a
guy who always ends up finding a way to make
five bucks out of a deal where he should have
lost money. We have breaking news. Let's get to Dan Buyer.
Dan when he got breaking news from Fox Sports Dougger.
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A shocking news story out of the National Football League
is that Carolina Panthers have parted ways with head coach
Ron Rivera with four games left in the season. The
Panthers are five and seven. This year, of course, led
the Panthers to Super Bowl fifty, where they felt to
the Denver Broncos. Actually had a winning record as the
Panthers head coach, going seventy six sixty three and one.
Secondary coach Perry Fuel has been named the team's interim
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head coach. NORV Turner, who is the team's offensive coordinator,
will transition into a role of a special assistant to
the head coach and now Scott Turner. North Turner sun
moves from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator, but Ron Rivera
out as the head coach of the Carolina Panthers. There's
there's a bunch of things to get into this, okay.
Remember a new owner took over for Jerry Richardson. I
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believe at the start of this year. There's the Cam Newton.
They are starting a backup quarterback. You know, whatever you
think of Kyle Allen, he's a backup. He wasn't supposed
to be the air parent get this much run. I
would also say that Sean McDermott, and you know, this
is what happens when you have a GM who leaves
and goes and does you know the Bills are on
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the brink of making the playoffs for the second time
in three years after not making it for over a decade.
Sean McDermott was their defensive coordinator. Of course used their
defensive coordinator when they went to a Super Bowl and
they had a fifteen in one record. He leaves, gets
the Bill's job. Josh Norman also left. Dave Gettleman got fired,
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new owner comes in and they're not winning, and so
the heads begin to roll. Um. What's interesting about this is,
though it feels to be shocking, as as I think
Game points out, it's not that he was fired, it's
that man weird time to fire him. On the other hand,
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we've seen this before. It gives him a chance to
put his name in for other jobs, whereas leaving from
job to job. But it does signify that they're gonna
clean house in Carolina. And what happens with Cam Newton
becomes really really interesting because because because Cam Newton, it
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feels like a lot of money but it's really not.
We'll get to that, Okay. What does the firing of
Ron Rivera tell us about Cam Newton's future. Be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio A app. The
big news is that the Carolina Panthers have parted ways
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with their head coach Ron Rivera. And this is interesting
on a multitude of levels. Obviously, Rivera is you know,
is going to be forever, I mean forever tied to
the hip with Cam Newton. If you look at the
Carolina Panthers, and you know, it's interesting. On um, the
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Panthers haven't recovered from I believe two big losses. And
I don't know if everybody remembers the first big loss
kind of off the top of of your head, and
everyone remembers when they lost in the Super Bowl. They
lost in the Super Bowl there fifteen and one. Kim
wasn't good. He was constantly under duress. I mean they
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basically lost to the Denver Bronco defense and on special
teams and and he went very good, but they lost.
And the very next year they end up going six
and ten. He's been plagued by injuries. The following year,
they end up eleven and five. But by my estimation,
you know, the two biggest losses were Jake delm in
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the playoffs. Do you remember Buyer remembers this music two
thousand and eight? You were in middle school? I think
is right, elementary school, Doug No, I was actually in
high school. Okay, you're in high school. Do you remember
the Panthers lost in the playoffs in two thousand eight?
I remember it, but I don't not like a vivid
Remember there's there's one thing. There's actually five things. Wait wait,
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six things that happened in the game that are very very,
very very memorable. Do you have any idea what they are?
I'm guessing turnovers. Ah h, how you're good. You're good.
Do you remember who was most responsible for those turnovers?
I'm guessing Jake Delone. Jake alone through five interceptions five
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five interceptions against the Arizona Cardinals that were led by
Kurt Warner. And I think if I recall correctly trying
to remember, I believe that game was even at home
to Ye. Yeah, it's like the all time and they
tried to bring Jake Delone back as a quarterback the
following year, and like Jake Delone was the backup to
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Drew Brees. I believe early in he was a backup
in maybe preceding Drew Brees in UH in New Orleans.
He came over and of course he led them to
a Super Bowl. Jake Dilom took the Carolina Panthers to
a Super Bowl. That was in two thousand and three.
John Fox was the coach and Delone was so bad
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in that playoff game, so bad that, um, the next
year he came back and no one had any faith
in him. He just everybody lost. He lost his he
lost his mojo. I believe that that loss and then
the Super Bowl loss with Cam, they were huge because
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they took years to recover from years. Now, Um, obviously
you have to have a rabbi in the room, you know,
you gotta have somebody believes you. And now the guy
who drafted him and the guy who coached him to
a Super Bowl are both gone. You have a new owner,
new GM, new coach. Traditionally, that would mean that Cam
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Newton has played his last game as a Carolina Panther.
Norv Turner is interesting because Norv was brought into fix
Cam Newton. NORV was seen as the quarterback guru. Now
Norv is more of a guru of the true drop
back passer than he is what Cam has traditionally done.
They're trying to make Cam into a drop back passor
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you have two options totally clean house, cut camp fire, staff,
fire GM, start over, what with Kyle Allen as your
VET and then draft somebody or keep most of people
in place, keep Cam in transition year see if you
get health and perform. I think they opt for some
sort of hybrid between two. I think it's more too
than one. And I'll tell you why. Cam Newton's a
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nineteen million dollars. That sounds like a lot of money.
That's more money than me, Ramos buyer music, uh combined
we'll make in our entire career at Fox Sports Radio.
But for a quarterback in the NFL, that's not a
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crazy amount of money. It's it's just not it's not
a crazy amount of money to pay him nineteen million
dollars next year. Think about it. Aaron Rodgers in the thirties,
Doc's gonna get in the thirties. You know, I mean,
Matt Ryan has been in the thirties. Tom Brady is
gonna if he comes back, He's not coming back on
the cheap anymore. You start going through all these quarterbacks,
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and Cam Newton will be in the bottom ten in
terms of pay for starting quarterbacks if they bring him back.
And my guess is just a guess, this is this
is totally a guess, is that if they keep Norv
it's because they want to see I want to see
what they can get out of Cam and and they're willing.
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And though nineteen and remember in the NFL, free agency
is before the draft, so they could keep Cam draft
and see if they get who they want in the draft,
and then try and figure out do we trade him
to keep them? What do we do? All right, we
have the breaking news. We'll get to Chris Sims in
a moment, see what he thinks. I think they hold
on to Cam. This is a guess. Even though traditionally
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you fire the coach, you have a new GM, you
have a new owner, you're gonna start over. At some point,
you just light a match. I do think that nineteen
million dollars sounds like a crazy amount of money, but
it's not for quarterbacks right now in the NFL, especially
one with the history that Cam Newton gives you with
that franchise, Would I start over that's different than what
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Carolina will do. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm
Easter noon Pacific. Let's welcome in Chris Simms from Football
Night in America. The breaking news of the day is
that Ron Rivera is out of a job. I do
think that it allows Rivera to be on the market
for another head coaching job, but potentially, But I think
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most importantly, what do you think this means for Cam Newton.
Oh well, I don't even know if they've made that decision,
and yeah, and I think that's gonna be up to
the next coaching staff and things like that. That's probably
part of the reason that they made this move was
not only to get the dialogue going with the next
head coach, but you know, when you do get further
down those conversations, you want to know how that next
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head coach feels about Cam Newton so they can get
their head wrapped around uh, their plans for that. So again,
we know Cam Newton's better than Kyle Allen And that's
what we do know now. Also, does Kyle I mean,
does Cam Newton feel disrespected by you know, the love
of Kyle Allen and the Carolina Panthers organization and everything
like that. Not surprised that Ron Rivera got fired really? Uh,
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you know, I know some people around the league and
this was kind of the common thought that this would happen.
I didn't know it would happen right now, but nonetheless
you kind of see the writing on the wall with
this one. Um, Okay, so does he like he's gonna
be the only fire a guy right now? If obviously
he did something wrong? Um, but I think I think
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he didn't like I don't know, you know, I don't
know what what happened. You know, they probably weren't happy
about something. I think the big thing is, more than
anything is it's been nine years. It's been good, but
it hasn't been great, And I think they've seen enough
now to just go, you know what, it was a
good run, but it's over and out of the nine years,
he's only had three years I believe, of over five
hundred football so you know, six of those years, yeah,
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they were good at you know, seven and nine and
things like that. They were competitive, but you know, I
think ultimately with that ownership down there and David Tepper,
they want to be a little bit more aggressive, and
he just wasn't satisfied with what he was seeing. M
Gotlick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's uh,
let's dial back to last night. UM. I kind of
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think this is as simple as and we went through
you talk about records, went through Russell Wilson. I know
Pete Carroll and the defense has been dynamic and they
have a good running game. But last night is a
perfect example for both quarterbacks. Russ Wilson finds a way
to win those games, didn't play one in the first half,
played really well, and second half whereas Kirk Cousins gets
the ball down four you need a touchdown, can't get
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any can't get any points on on the board. Like
this is why Russell Wilson is Russell Wilson, and why
Kirk Cousins is seen as good, fine, but just not
one of those special winning quarterbacks. Exactly right. I don't
think that you know, you're you're right there. I think
you're you know, spot on. I mean, Russell Wilson special
I mean, you know, as the way his career is
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going right now, he's gonna be a first Bob Hall
of Famer. I mean we're talking about a guy that's
got like an all time quarterback rating already. I mean,
he goes to the playoffs and wins every year of
his career. So, uh, he is special. And really he's
in another guy that the stats can't quantify some of
the things he does on the field and the place
he makes when nobody is open and then he scrambles
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around and throws some ball that you know, Next Gen
Stats says there was a three point two percent completion
percentage and he somehow makes it happen. There's no stat
that really quantifies that. You know. That's a cool little segment.
And I gave a nice plug the Next Gen Stats there.
I don't know why but I did, but yes, to
to your point, Uh, it's very real. Also, I'll say this,
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and and Kirk Cousins defense there, he played well. He
played well enough for them to win last night. You know,
their defense is a little bit of an issue. They
got whooped up front, and of course the Seahawks ran
the ball and Russell made his plays and they had
the blond coverage in the secondary, and without Adam Feeling
and Dalvin Cook, that's a huge handicap to Kirk Cousins,
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especially an offense that I would tell you is not
a great drop back pass offense. Right, Doug, You've watched
them enough now to know it's Dalvin Cook, it's boo
legs at screens, it's play actions. That's what they want
to do when it comes down to, oh, it's the
last two minutes and we just gotta get in the
shotgun and and dice you up that way. That's not
their cup of tea and they're not gonna win many
games that way, Doug Outlive show, You're on Fox Sports Radio.
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A lot of discussion yesterday over the Patriots as they
I I know they put up yardage in the fourth quarter,
but I mean they were being beaten twenty nine before
they finally scored. Um, you know, and there's there's there's
some miscommunication there. Kill Harry looks like, you know, he
didn't he got benched after a missed assignment. So I
do think there are things that they can work through.
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But do they have the weaponry for this fight? Well,
the you know, the weaponry is Yeah, it's not special.
They got nothing that's gonna scare you. I mean, they
have Julian Edelman and James White where they are. Not
only they're very good players, but you know, they have
a system that really knows how to utilize those guys, right,
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I mean, you know they they're the masters, are throwing
the back out of the backfield with Sean Payton right
right there with them. And then they invented the slot receiver.
I mean, they invented That's all there is to it. West,
Welcome to Julian Edelman. They invented a position. And they
have a lot of ways to get Troy Brown before
Troy Brown before the time before that, right, and even
Dion Branch a little bit too in that mix there.
But you're exactly right. So they have a lot of
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ways to get the the ball. But to your point,
do they have the guys that can scare a defense
can back them off? And no. You know, in years
past they've had at Lisa Josh Gordon last year along
with the Rob Gronkowski, who was you know, arguably one
of the greatest mismatches in the history of the sport.
I mean, what do you do with Rob Gronkowski, So
that was a huge weapon and and tool they had
at their disposal. You know, this year, of course, it
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is like you've heard Brady said, it's about defense and
special teams. You know. I do think they're trying to
get back to running the football and being more successful
that way, but that's a work in progress. Yeah, pass
protection is not as good, you know, des Mohammed Sanus
still getting used to the offense and to kill. Harry's
new to the game and all those things too. And hey,
point point blank is Brady's not playing great either. I mean,
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Brady forty two. I don't know what, you know, everyone
argues me on this stuff when I say he's the
ninth best quarterback in football going in the season, and
now everyone's seeing it, but no one wants to say, oh,
you know what, Chris was right. You know, it's not
a slap in the face. He's forty two, and he's
a little flinchy in the pocket at times, and because
of that he does miss people open down field. And
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at other times I could tell you he takes a
let's say, a one on one shot down the field.
And I said, if he just hung in there, the
guy underneath is gonna be open. So he's not doesn't
deserve like no blame in this conversation either. I'm just
gonna say that out there too, because I feel like
everyone's a little scared to say it because it's New
England and Tom Brady, And of course I'm not. And
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Tom Brady's awesome, he's a legend, he's I know, he's
the goat all those things. But at the age of
forty two, let's be real about it. You know, he's
just not gonna make some plays and carry the offense
like he used to. And now they don't have some
of this, you know, guys around him to help it.
All the system work out and it's all kind of
kind of coming together in lackluster offensive performances. All right,
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what about Lamar? What do we what do we learn?
I mean, look, there was a lack of accuracy there,
although incredible playmaking with his feet, and I know that.
We just said, hey, Russell Wilson finds a way to
make plays to win games. And he did find a
way to make plays and when when games um, But
but but here's what I'm Here's what I'm I'm still
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concerned about throwing accuracy. I Ultimately, that's always been the
issue with quarterbacks out of the backfield, running running the
football and getting hurt. But I feel like, look, they've
they got this perfect thing where they have a very
good defense, um that they've their line is all in
the running game everything, and they've they've they've completely gone
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all in the big tight ends, give a bigger pass
catch radius, Hollywood Brown takes the top, like all that
stuff works. But defenses are designed at the start of
the year right now to stop West Coast, to stop spread.
They're not designed for this. You give it another year
and offseason and people will adjust long term. Any change
in your forecast over what you think Lamar's success rate
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will be. No, I I don't because because of kind
of the things you said. They've gone all in on
this system and it's not a gadget system. You know,
it might be unseen before in the history of the NFL,
but they have answers. You know that. When I watched
them on film, I don't just go, oh, you know, oh,
they just got lucky with that play call there against
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the right defense. No, they they like a good West
Coast coordinator or Kyle Shanahan or somebody like that. When
they see you're overplaying one run play, they gotta play
off of that to go, Okay, you're overplaying it, and
here's our screw you play for overplaying it. So they
do have answers that way. Now, do I believe six
seven years from now he's gonna be rushing for a
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hundred yards and games? No, But I mean we've seen
in two years that he continues to improve throwing the football. Uh,
and that's the big thing. But they have gone all in,
you know you mentioned it. They got a two running backs,
one of them who is just like a freight train,
I mean, mark Ingram. He'll run through the wall. He
doesn't care. You know. That offensive line they just got
a big bunch of big dudes that are just there
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there there. They'll bludgeon you their steamrollers, so you have
to worry about that. Then they have these creative on
edge runs that keep you off bounce let alone. They're
faking it up the middle to mark Ingram when they're
doing that, so they really handicap you that way. And
because of that, they get a lot of easy looks
in the past game. And I think Lamar has continued
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to grow as a passer this whole year, and I
don't think he's ever gonna have a game or you know,
I I don't know if there's gonna be a game
where he's ever gonna have to just go, oh man,
they're in trouble and he's gonna have to throw the
ball forty times. I I gotta see it to believe
it first. You know, there's teams like Seattle and New
Orleans who could certainly give that offense a tough time
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because of their size and physicality. That the Seattle really
did the best job against the quarterback run. Lamar had
two big runs in that game, and it was off
a scrambling off the drop back pass. But yeah, for now,
I'm gonna say it works because there's answers. It's not
just gimmicks. Without me getting too technically into football there.
And I'll say this about this game too, Doug. You know, again,
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the weather helped the Ravens. The weather was a been
a detriment to the Forts. Are the faster team. They
rely on their bootlegs and their play action to tie
the rest of their offense together. And because of the
weather in the monsoon they were playing in, you know,
they were reluctant to throw the ball down the field,
as you said, as the Ravens were too, But it
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just doesn't matter to the Ravens because they have enough
ways to run the ball and get four yards and
move the ball that way. So if they played again,
I still think it would be a great game. I
just think the weather would the weather hurt the forty
Niners more than the Ravens. That that makes complete and
total sense. Um, last thing, I know it was the Giants,
But I'm interested in the Packers obviously. We've seen them
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come out twice and lay eggs at the feet of
West Coast teams, Chargers and Niners. What do you think
about this Packer team that has struggled so much on
the road in California. Yeah, I mean, I think they're good.
I just don't think they're great. I really don't. You
know they would fall into that category again of I
don't know what really scares you. On offense, Don't get
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me wrong, Davante Adams is a really good player, but
he's not like he's not Tyreek Hill or one of
these guys where you go, oh gosh, if we don't
double him, we're screwed. The game's over. So no, he's
good and Rogers knows how to utilize him. Rogers is
really the only guy to be scared of. I mean,
that's really the big thing. The run game is a
little bit of hit and miss. You know. The defense
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definitely still scares me. You know. I look at the
Packers as being a team that you know, probably wins
their home wild card game and then he's got to
go on the road to San Francisco, Seattle, or or
New Orleans and they won't be able to beat them.
I just don't think they're quite in the class of
those two teams, just with difference makers on the field.
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You know, they've gone a little ways to improve themselves
with the Smiths guys on the edge, but there's just
not enough big beasts in the middle of their defensive line.
I don't think they're big enough and hulking enough in
the run game to just dominate some of the quality
defenses in football. And then off of that when they
can't do that, you know, they just don't have enough
firepower in the past game to me to make up
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for that against the elite teams. I'm holding them to
the elite standard is what we're talking about here. So yeah,
there are a playoff team that I look at as
winning one and then done in the divisional playoff round.
Great stuff, Chris Sims. You watch him on Football Night
in America, also covering Notre Dame football. Chris, thanks so
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s R to listen live talkome in Joe Clatt, lead
college football analyst for Fox Sports. Um, you and I
have been defenders of hardball. We both have said this
is an amazing Ohio State team. Can we defend hardball
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even after they get run out of their own building
like they did last weekend? Yeah? You know, I know
Michigan fans aren't gonna want to hear it, But this
is not the year Doug to form the indictment on
Jim Harbaugh. As it relates to to Ohio State, this
Ohio State team might be the best Ohiose State team
that they've had since the Woody Hayes days. It's better
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than any of the Urban Meyer teams. It's better than
any team that I've actually covered in the booth um. Now,
I don't know if they're gonna win it all or not,
because I think Clempson and l s u are also
like damn good, you know, So this is gonna be
an epic kind of clash down the stretch. But when
it when it comes back to Michigan, Michigan, I I
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don't understand, Doug, why is it Why is it such
a controversial opinion to say that Jim Harbaugh has done
an excellent job at Michigan and they are in not
only a far better place, but like a drastically better
place right now than they were in two thousand and fourteen.
And I'll go step further. You know, there were five
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and seven in two thousand and fourteen. That's a year
before hardball got there. Ohio State won the national championship
in two thousand and four teams. So the gap, the
margin that he's trying to close is as big of
a gap there as there is in terms of like
rivalries around the country. And he hasn't gotten that done.
And I'll be the first to say at some point
he's gonna have to get it done or else they'll
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have to move on. It will become kind of like
the John Cooper era at Ohio State. UM. But right
now they are in such a better place uh than
they were before he got there. They're much more relevant. Um.
There are a couple of snaps of the football away
from being a playoff team twice really in the last
four seasons. Uh So, I I don't know why is
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that such a controversial take to me? I think but
you know what I mean, Joel, let me I'll help
you in support your take even further. I don't think
one people understood what Michigan football went through. Okay, because
first day hired Rich Rodriguez, who brought a style that
obviously didn't work and couldn't figure out the defensive coordinator thing.
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But the three three five in the Big ten was
a disaster. Would it work in the Big twelve? Right?
Would work in the Big twelve? Yeah? Probably not? Not
in the Big ten? Uh. Lloyd Carr and he hated
each other. So you're all the alums were against Rich Rodriguez.
He leaves. They bring in Brady Hoke, who is a
great guy. Never didn't even wear a headset, right, and
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they were okay, but they were disorganized and they recruited
pretty well. Meanwhile, they weren't winning consistently and Penn State
was on probation and uh you know, Penn State was
on probation. So Penn State gets it back going and
it's a complete You're you're dealing with a much more
difficult league. And when he when he got there, Michigan
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State was rolling. Penn State's got it rolling now. And
Ohio State with the Luke Fickle year as the one
year in the last four teen that they've they've lost,
uh tow to Michigan. Ohio State wasn't like went from
terrible head coach to to great head coach. They went
from Jim Tressel, who was as successful as anybody in
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the sport, and they had one year under Fickle, and
then they went to Irban Meyer, who's essentially just like
a Nick Saban, only having done it multiple stops. You know.
So I don't think he understood the landscape, what is
harder now than it was then, what he inherited. Think
about this as well, just the history between the two programs,
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you know, and I did this with Colin a few
weeks ago, just talking about you know, Ohio State Doug,
They've won eleven or more games every year since Urban
Meyer got there. Every year. That's eight straight seasons. You know,
that's more eleven win seasons than Michigan has in its history.
Ohio State has more eleven wins seasons in the last
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eight years then Michigan does in its history. So there's
shim Beckler novel never won a national championship. Um, you
just have to there has to be some semblance of
of reason. And there's a lot of people that just
hate Jim Harbaugh and I understand that. I think that
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he's a really good head coach that has brought in
Michigan to a place where they are clearly respectable. And
now there is a cast got to get over the
hump of Ohio State. And I'll be the first one
to say that they need to do that, and they
need to do that, you know in the near future.
That's the voice of Joe Clatt, leads college football analysts
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for Fox Sports. Okay, so the rankies come out tonight, Um,
would you put Ohio State ahead of l s U? Yes,
I have since week Doug, I don't know two or
three is is when I had Ohio State number one
and they've really been number one for me ever since.
UM And what I think people, unfortunately, you know, in
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this argument, they wanna rent and rave about l s
US resume, But if you actually boil it down, Ohio
State's resume is just as good. And they don't play
nearly the amount of cupcakes that l s U has
played throughout their schedule. So l s U has played
at the top end and there's no doubt, and they
have incredible wins, and they have a singular better win
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than Ohio State does right now with that win at Alabama. Absolutely,
there's no doubt about it. But Ohio State is piling
up the wins against ranked opponent currently ranked opponents. UM.
They also when you look at their nonconference everyone's like,
dure nonconference was a joke. You know that there they
have beaten DUG beaten four teams that are representing their
conference in the conference championship games. So every single one
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of their nonconference opponents while in the group of five
are in their conference championship game Wisconsin, they've already beaten
Is in the Big Ten championship game. UM. So I
think you can argue that Ohio States resume is right there,
and even if it's just a tick below, well, then
the rest of the body of work, as far as
they're complete nature statistical dominance, number one point differential in
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the country, number four scoring defense in the country, number
one scoring offense in the country. I think that you
can you can land on a pretty plausible conclusion that
Ohio State has earned the number one spot to date,
and I don't think that would change as long as
they beat Wisconsin, which would be another ranked win under
their belt on Saturday night, if they were able to
win the Big Ten championship. Tend to tend to really
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really agree with you, Joel clad oar guest on The
Dead Show, You're almost disappointed there, no, no, no, I listened.
I wasn't just trying to transition to Oklahoma. Let's say,
let's say Georgia loses to l s U. Right, because
Georgia b T L s U. L s U is
gonna be the fourth team, right, Yes, I would. I
would agree with that, So Georgia has got a play
in game. Everything depends on L s U beating Georgia.
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But there's also there's also the what happens what happens
in Wisconsin beats Ohio State. I don't think anything. I
think oh How State goes and Wisconsin doesn't, So I
think you're we're in the exact same boat. I honestly
believe that the only thing that matters is if Georgia
beats l s U. Because then the four are set
with Clemson in there as well, and and it kind
of backs the Big twelve and the Pack twelve out.
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So as long as L s U wins, that you're
gonna have in this battle, this argument between the Pac
twelve and the Big twelve. Okay, but how about how
about this is a question. Remember you're a playoff expansion guy,
and the thing you've always learned, I've just four. But
you want conference champions, correct? I want only the four
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best conference champions, not automatic bits. I hate automatic bits.
I just hated to be a prerequisite in order to go.
So what happens, though, Like we're cool with let's say
l s U loses to Georgia and let's say Ohio
State loses to UH loses to Wisconsin, and Oklahoma beats Baylor.
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Oklahoma is a conference champion with only one loss, granted
a road loss to Kansas State where they were down
big and we're competitive late, We're going to take two
teams that lost their last game ahead of a team
that went on a win streak and beat Baylor twice
and beat Oklahoma State in the road. Like Euro, E're
okay with that because we SI No. I that's interesting.
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I was saying what I think is going to happen.
If you were just gonna ask me, like, what should happen,
just whole class world, what should happen? I would always
argue first and foremost for the conference champions. I will
be arguing at that point that we should be trying
to throw L s U or Ohio State out. If
Georgia beats l s U and you've got Wisconsin beating
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Ohio State, then I then I would argue that one
of those teams need to be thrown out and the
winner of you know, and maybe both of them in particular,
because again, and in the model Doug that I I
am a proponent of, it would be that you have
to win your conference in order to go. So in
that case, to be that probably to argue for Utah.
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You know, I'll probably argue for for Utah if they
win Oklahoma and Georgia and Clemson to be quite honest
with you, so you'd be okay. I just want to
make sure clear you'd be okay with l s U
not going, Ohio State not going just because they lost
to Wisconsin, and Utah going and and Oklahoma going because
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they want in this In this imaginary Joel clad world,
I put you in charge. That's how you would would
think is a affair? What's the word I'm looking for?
Result Um. Yes, only in the sense that if if
that were the structure that was set and everyone understood
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how it was set. There's also one other factor to
this whole, like I would just take conference champions and
that's that. I think that's a really big factor. And Doug,
what I would do is do away with divisions throughout
college foot all. Therefore, every conference championship game would be
a one versus two kind of seating like the Big
Twelve has right now. And then you could make an
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argument that that is the playoff, that that's a a
you know, quarterfinal esque style of game, and it's like
you better win that one to go. We don't just
award a divisional round. Let's say you win your division
and then you lose the divisional round of the playoffs.
We don't say, like, well, they were probably better, you know,
so they would go, uh go onto the a f
C or NFC championship game. Listen. I know it's messy,
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but in my scenario, I would have the one versus
two seats in every conference in the conference championship game.
Those would act as the facto quarterfinals. Then I would
throw the worst champion out and I would have the
fourth rest of the team's playoff. I'm a little confused.
I'm kidding, I'm not confused. Joel Class, our guest on
the Doug Otlieve Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Um,
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what do you think about Oklahoma and Baylor Part two?
I can't wait to see it. The Baylor defense has
played a lot better as of late. So is Oklahoma's defense.
No one wants to admit this, but Oklahoma's defense, you
know that their number one in the Big Twelve and
in total offense and total defense. And it's the first
time that that that that's happened in a long time
in the Big Twelve. No one wants to admit that.
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Did you even know that? Doug? And and again, it's
shocking to people because the narrative out there is that
that conference, that team specifically does not play any defense,
and and it's just not quite in the case. Um So,
I think Oklahoma has a really good shot. Their resume
if they win, is going to be easily a better
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resume than Utah's. Now, it's just a matter of if
the committee wants to reward Utah for their dominance, their balance,
if you will, the fact that they are some new blood.
Do we have fatigued with ou getting into the last
two playoffs? I think that could be a part of
the human element, even though it's not supposed to be
the rest as shut. If Oklahoma is able to win
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this game, they're gonna have a resume that that should
deserve inclusion. With all their ranked wins, with the fact
that they would have beaten an eleven win Baylor team twice,
one on the road, one in the neutral site. I
think that's a massive deal. Um And I think Oklahoma
has got a great shot. I do think that they're
gonna win the game. They're the better team and the
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The important part of this is that Doug I thought
that there was a real change for them after that
Kansas State loss and even after that first half against
Baylor in their first meeting. They have really committed to
run in the football with Kennedy Brooks, they have been
You watched the game last week, you were there, and
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they were mauling Oklahoma State. And Oklahoma State is not
a great defense. But that's what I think is is
so special about this version of OU is that they
are running the ball so effectively. I think that's gonna
help them out on Saturday. And and then interesting part
about that Big Twelf Championship game, Doug, is that we're
gonna know what been in the Pack twelve game Friday night.
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So if Utah loses, you know, there's gonna be that
sense of play in you know when and you're in
pending what happens in the SEC game, of course, but
that could present a supercharged environment in Dallas for that
Big twelve game, depending on what happens on Friday Night
in that Utah Oregon game, what happens to Baylor wins.
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Um If I'll just say like this, if Oregon wins
Friday night and l s U Beach Georgia, the winner
of the Big twelve goes whether it's Baylor or Oklahoma period.
Even they played nobody, they should have lost. I get it,
But who's Clemson played? You know what I mean? If
we're gonna least at least they played, they did play two.
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They played played an s AN SEC team at SEC teams.
But let's be honest, one of those SEC SEC teams
lost the Appalachian State. I'm not gonna argue with you,
but I mean, just like, dude, compared to who Taylor played,
I mean, come on, oh, I get it. No listen,
and and and and Baylor didn't expect to be eleven
in one right, and they probably shouldn't be but scheduling
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to try to dig themselves. That was three years ago,
and and and quite frankly, they should be scheduling that way. Not.
Role has done an incredible job. Think what he did
it at Temple in three years, and now would he's
done at Baylor in three years? If he's not the
Atlanta Falcons coach, I'm gonna be shocked. The question is
can you do in the NFL? Would for doing at
a big, big college man a lot of money there too.
(46:31):
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night Russell Wilson wins, and I completely understand you could say, well, hey,
he threw a pick six in the first half. You know,
Russell Wilson almost like Tim tebow for a while, Russell
Wilson gets credit for putting out fires that he started.
Like I do, I get it, I do. I I
understand that we cannot give Ussell Wilson solar solely or
(04:03):
even most of the credit for the winds that he's
been able to obtain during his time in Seattle. But
but how big a sample size do we actually need?
How how big of a sample size do we need
to point out that Russell Wilson just wins games, right,
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he just does. And I think the there's a lot
that we could get into in terms of is he
the most valuable player? How do you balance him out
against the Mark Jackson? You know, I do think it's interesting, Like, look,
I get what Lamar Jackson's doing. It's amazing. He didn't
throw the ball well on Sunday, but I will grant
you that it was bad weather. I'm not sure anybody
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throws the ball all together that well. But it's like
we just decide, we just decided to put on blinders
here to what other guys are doing, Like Aaron Rodgers
is amazing. Take him out the packers? Are they any good?
The answer is now, I think you take Lamar Jackson
off the Ravens and there's still a dynamic team that
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runs the football of r G three is their quarterback.
They're not as good, but it's still really good, and
they're great defensive team. They've got a great kicker. I
don't know if you can say that about the Seahawks.
I know you can't say that about the Packers. And
while Pat Mahomes didn't play well, they still won. Pat
Mahomes is statistically having an amazing year. We're just choosing
to blow through all of that. Blow through all of that.
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Russell Wilson for the season twenty six touchdowns, four interceptions.
And while he can run, he obviously doesn't run as
much as Lamar does. He's never run as much as Lamar,
but he's shown that he can't he can run. This
is Russell Wilson's career in terms of win loss record,
(05:56):
eleven and five as a rookie, and I'll grant you
as a rookie, he had nine games of less than
two hundred yards passing nine nine of sixteen two on
yards passing is a nominal number even when he's running it,
and he was running in a bunch back then he
was running at a bunch back then, but they were
eleven and five, thirteen and three, twelve and four, ten
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and six, ten and five, ten, five and one, nine
and seven, ten and six, and right now they're ten
in two. He's increased, obviously, the volume of pass attempts
and the touchdowns over the last five years. He's had
thirty four y one in a down year thirty four
third when he led the league. This is three years ago,
(06:42):
thirty five, and this year he leads the league with
twenty six touchdown passes. And I watched him against Kirk Cousins. Now,
Kirk Cousins statistically is maybe every bit his equal. I mean, like, look,
if we're fair about kirk Cousins, he's having an outstanding year.
And had he taken his team down the field when
(07:05):
in there in their last possession when they're down three points,
suit me down four points because they missed an extra point,
had he taken them down the field, you could make
the argument that Kirk Cousins could be the m v P.
I mean, heck, so far, twenty three touchdowns, four interceptions.
Did have a bad one last night, had a big
had a big fumble. But he's already already having a
(07:29):
tremendous statistical year, right, tremendous, tremendous. He's thrown for over
three hundred yards all but two games over three hundred yards.
He's thrown for over four hundred yards five different times,
and he only has what would I say, four interceptions
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the entire year. It's incredible. Kirk Cousins for his career,
for his career, his numbers will blow you away, absolutely
positively blow you away. Um. But the problem with Kirk
Cousins is, Kirk Cousins is the guy who I think.
We had Trent Dilfer on yesterday and I asked him
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if he thought Lamar Jackson could win a Super Bowl
and he said, it all comes down to third and six, right,
can you make a play third? But really it comes
down to first and ten eight yards ago? Can you
lead your team down and score a touchdown? That's really
kind of what it what it comes down to, you know,
that's really an in a nutshell. And who Kirk Cousins
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is is what you saw last night. He's really really good,
but he's the guy who always in investments ends up
finding way to break even or lose money. Whereas Russell
Wilson is the guy who always finds a way to
make a little bit of money on a deal. I'm
not gonna blame Kirk Cousins for the last all of
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the last five years. I'm just not in since he's
become a full time starter. He was nine and seven,
eight seven and one, seven and nine, eight seven and one,
and now he's eight and four with the best team
he's ever played on. But one guy is a guy
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who's one and nearly one another super Bowl and finds
a way to win those games. And Kirk Cousins is
a guy who finds a way to not win those games.
It doesn't mean he's a loser. It just means that
there's the difference between the two a substanti a substantive difference,
and we have a big enough sample size for both
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to make that determination. Kirk Cousins is the guy that
never ends up on the right side of things. Is
it always his fault? No? And Russell Wilson is a
guy who always ends up finding a way to make
five bucks out of a deal where he should have
lost money. We have breaking news. Let's get to Dan Buyer.
Dan when he got breaking news from Fox Sports Dougger.
(10:00):
A shocking news story out of the National Football League
is that Carolina Panthers have parted ways with head coach
Ron Rivera with four games left in the season. The
Panthers are five and seven. This year, of course, led
the Panthers to Super Bowl fifty, where they felt to
the Denver Broncos. Actually had a winning record as the
Panthers head coach, going seventy six sixty three and one.
Secondary coach Perry Fuel has been named the team's interim
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head coach. NORV Turner, who is the team's offensive coordinator,
will transition into a role of a special assistant to
the head coach and now Scott Turner. North Turner sun
moves from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator, but Ron Rivera
out as the head coach of the Carolina Panthers. There's
there's a bunch of things to get into this, okay.
Remember a new owner took over for Jerry Richardson. I
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believe at the start of this year. There's the Cam Newton.
They are starting a backup quarterback. You know, whatever you
think of Kyle Allen, he's a backup. He wasn't supposed
to be the air parent get this much run. I
would also say that Sean McDermott, and you know, this
is what happens when you have a GM who leaves
and goes and does you know the Bills are on
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the brink of making the playoffs for the second time
in three years after not making it for over a decade.
Sean McDermott was their defensive coordinator. Of course used their
defensive coordinator when they went to a Super Bowl and
they had a fifteen in one record. He leaves, gets
the Bill's job. Josh Norman also left. Dave Gettleman got fired,
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new owner comes in and they're not winning, and so
the heads begin to roll. Um. What's interesting about this is,
though it feels to be shocking, as as I think
Game points out, it's not that he was fired, it's
that man weird time to fire him. On the other hand,
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we've seen this before. It gives him a chance to
put his name in for other jobs, whereas leaving from
job to job. But it does signify that they're gonna
clean house in Carolina. And what happens with Cam Newton
becomes really really interesting because because because Cam Newton, it
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feels like a lot of money but it's really not.
We'll get to that, Okay. What does the firing of
Ron Rivera tell us about Cam Newton's future. Be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio A app. The
big news is that the Carolina Panthers have parted ways
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with their head coach Ron Rivera. And this is interesting
on a multitude of levels. Obviously, Rivera is you know,
is going to be forever, I mean forever tied to
the hip with Cam Newton. If you look at the
Carolina Panthers, and you know, it's interesting. On um, the
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Panthers haven't recovered from I believe two big losses. And
I don't know if everybody remembers the first big loss
kind of off the top of of your head, and
everyone remembers when they lost in the Super Bowl. They
lost in the Super Bowl there fifteen and one. Kim
wasn't good. He was constantly under duress. I mean they
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basically lost to the Denver Bronco defense and on special
teams and and he went very good, but they lost.
And the very next year they end up going six
and ten. He's been plagued by injuries. The following year,
they end up eleven and five. But by my estimation,
you know, the two biggest losses were Jake delm in
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the playoffs. Do you remember Buyer remembers this music two
thousand and eight? You were in middle school? I think
is right, elementary school, Doug No, I was actually in
high school. Okay, you're in high school. Do you remember
the Panthers lost in the playoffs in two thousand eight?
I remember it, but I don't not like a vivid
Remember there's there's one thing. There's actually five things. Wait wait,
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six things that happened in the game that are very very,
very very memorable. Do you have any idea what they are?
I'm guessing turnovers. Ah h, how you're good. You're good.
Do you remember who was most responsible for those turnovers?
I'm guessing Jake Delone. Jake alone through five interceptions five
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five interceptions against the Arizona Cardinals that were led by
Kurt Warner. And I think if I recall correctly trying
to remember, I believe that game was even at home
to Ye. Yeah, it's like the all time and they
tried to bring Jake Delone back as a quarterback the
following year, and like Jake Delone was the backup to
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Drew Brees. I believe early in he was a backup
in maybe preceding Drew Brees in UH in New Orleans.
He came over and of course he led them to
a Super Bowl. Jake Dilom took the Carolina Panthers to
a Super Bowl. That was in two thousand and three.
John Fox was the coach and Delone was so bad
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in that playoff game, so bad that, um, the next
year he came back and no one had any faith
in him. He just everybody lost. He lost his he
lost his mojo. I believe that that loss and then
the Super Bowl loss with Cam, they were huge because
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they took years to recover from years. Now, Um, obviously
you have to have a rabbi in the room, you know,
you gotta have somebody believes you. And now the guy
who drafted him and the guy who coached him to
a Super Bowl are both gone. You have a new owner,
new GM, new coach. Traditionally, that would mean that Cam
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Newton has played his last game as a Carolina Panther.
Norv Turner is interesting because Norv was brought into fix
Cam Newton. NORV was seen as the quarterback guru. Now
Norv is more of a guru of the true drop
back passer than he is what Cam has traditionally done.
They're trying to make Cam into a drop back passor
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you have two options totally clean house, cut camp fire, staff,
fire GM, start over, what with Kyle Allen as your
VET and then draft somebody or keep most of people
in place, keep Cam in transition year see if you
get health and perform. I think they opt for some
sort of hybrid between two. I think it's more too
than one. And I'll tell you why. Cam Newton's a
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nineteen million dollars. That sounds like a lot of money.
That's more money than me, Ramos buyer music, uh combined
we'll make in our entire career at Fox Sports Radio.
But for a quarterback in the NFL, that's not a
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crazy amount of money. It's it's just not it's not
a crazy amount of money to pay him nineteen million
dollars next year. Think about it. Aaron Rodgers in the thirties,
Doc's gonna get in the thirties. You know, I mean,
Matt Ryan has been in the thirties. Tom Brady is
gonna if he comes back, He's not coming back on
the cheap anymore. You start going through all these quarterbacks,
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and Cam Newton will be in the bottom ten in
terms of pay for starting quarterbacks if they bring him back.
And my guess is just a guess, this is this
is totally a guess, is that if they keep Norv
it's because they want to see I want to see
what they can get out of Cam and and they're willing.
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And though nineteen and remember in the NFL, free agency
is before the draft, so they could keep Cam draft
and see if they get who they want in the draft,
and then try and figure out do we trade him
to keep them? What do we do? All right, we
have the breaking news. We'll get to Chris Sims in
a moment, see what he thinks. I think they hold
on to Cam. This is a guess. Even though traditionally
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you fire the coach, you have a new GM, you
have a new owner, you're gonna start over. At some point,
you just light a match. I do think that nineteen
million dollars sounds like a crazy amount of money, but
it's not for quarterbacks right now in the NFL, especially
one with the history that Cam Newton gives you with
that franchise, Would I start over that's different than what
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Carolina will do. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm
Easter noon Pacific. Let's welcome in Chris Simms from Football
Night in America. The breaking news of the day is
that Ron Rivera is out of a job. I do
think that it allows Rivera to be on the market
for another head coaching job, but potentially, But I think
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most importantly, what do you think this means for Cam Newton.
Oh well, I don't even know if they've made that decision,
and yeah, and I think that's gonna be up to
the next coaching staff and things like that. That's probably
part of the reason that they made this move was
not only to get the dialogue going with the next
head coach, but you know, when you do get further
down those conversations, you want to know how that next
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head coach feels about Cam Newton so they can get
their head wrapped around uh, their plans for that. So again,
we know Cam Newton's better than Kyle Allen And that's
what we do know now. Also, does Kyle I mean,
does Cam Newton feel disrespected by you know, the love
of Kyle Allen and the Carolina Panthers organization and everything
like that. Not surprised that Ron Rivera got fired really? Uh,
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you know, I know some people around the league and
this was kind of the common thought that this would happen.
I didn't know it would happen right now, but nonetheless
you kind of see the writing on the wall with
this one. Um, Okay, so does he like he's gonna
be the only fire a guy right now? If obviously
he did something wrong? Um, but I think I think
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he didn't like I don't know, you know, I don't
know what what happened. You know, they probably weren't happy
about something. I think the big thing is, more than
anything is it's been nine years. It's been good, but
it hasn't been great, And I think they've seen enough
now to just go, you know what, it was a
good run, but it's over and out of the nine years,
he's only had three years I believe, of over five
hundred football so you know, six of those years, yeah,
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they were good at you know, seven and nine and
things like that. They were competitive, but you know, I
think ultimately with that ownership down there and David Tepper,
they want to be a little bit more aggressive, and
he just wasn't satisfied with what he was seeing. M
Gotlick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's uh,
let's dial back to last night. UM. I kind of
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think this is as simple as and we went through
you talk about records, went through Russell Wilson. I know
Pete Carroll and the defense has been dynamic and they
have a good running game. But last night is a
perfect example for both quarterbacks. Russ Wilson finds a way
to win those games, didn't play one in the first half,
played really well, and second half whereas Kirk Cousins gets
the ball down four you need a touchdown, can't get
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any can't get any points on on the board. Like
this is why Russell Wilson is Russell Wilson, and why
Kirk Cousins is seen as good, fine, but just not
one of those special winning quarterbacks. Exactly right. I don't
think that you know, you're you're right there. I think
you're you know, spot on. I mean, Russell Wilson special
I mean, you know, as the way his career is
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going right now, he's gonna be a first Bob Hall
of Famer. I mean we're talking about a guy that's
got like an all time quarterback rating already. I mean,
he goes to the playoffs and wins every year of
his career. So, uh, he is special. And really he's
in another guy that the stats can't quantify some of
the things he does on the field and the place
he makes when nobody is open and then he scrambles
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around and throws some ball that you know, Next Gen
Stats says there was a three point two percent completion
percentage and he somehow makes it happen. There's no stat
that really quantifies that. You know. That's a cool little segment.
And I gave a nice plug the Next Gen Stats there.
I don't know why but I did, but yes, to
to your point, Uh, it's very real. Also, I'll say this,
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and and Kirk Cousins defense there, he played well. He
played well enough for them to win last night. You know,
their defense is a little bit of an issue. They
got whooped up front, and of course the Seahawks ran
the ball and Russell made his plays and they had
the blond coverage in the secondary, and without Adam Feeling
and Dalvin Cook, that's a huge handicap to Kirk Cousins,
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especially an offense that I would tell you is not
a great drop back pass offense. Right, Doug, You've watched
them enough now to know it's Dalvin Cook, it's boo
legs at screens, it's play actions. That's what they want
to do when it comes down to, oh, it's the
last two minutes and we just gotta get in the
shotgun and and dice you up that way. That's not
their cup of tea and they're not gonna win many
games that way, Doug Outlive show, You're on Fox Sports Radio.
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A lot of discussion yesterday over the Patriots as they
I I know they put up yardage in the fourth quarter,
but I mean they were being beaten twenty nine before
they finally scored. Um, you know, and there's there's there's
some miscommunication there. Kill Harry looks like, you know, he
didn't he got benched after a missed assignment. So I
do think there are things that they can work through.
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But do they have the weaponry for this fight? Well,
the you know, the weaponry is Yeah, it's not special.
They got nothing that's gonna scare you. I mean, they
have Julian Edelman and James White where they are. Not
only they're very good players, but you know, they have
a system that really knows how to utilize those guys, right,
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I mean, you know they they're the masters, are throwing
the back out of the backfield with Sean Payton right
right there with them. And then they invented the slot receiver.
I mean, they invented That's all there is to it. West,
Welcome to Julian Edelman. They invented a position. And they
have a lot of ways to get Troy Brown before
Troy Brown before the time before that, right, and even
Dion Branch a little bit too in that mix there.
But you're exactly right. So they have a lot of
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ways to get the the ball. But to your point,
do they have the guys that can scare a defense
can back them off? And no. You know, in years
past they've had at Lisa Josh Gordon last year along
with the Rob Gronkowski, who was you know, arguably one
of the greatest mismatches in the history of the sport.
I mean, what do you do with Rob Gronkowski, So
that was a huge weapon and and tool they had
at their disposal. You know, this year, of course, it
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is like you've heard Brady said, it's about defense and
special teams. You know. I do think they're trying to
get back to running the football and being more successful
that way, but that's a work in progress. Yeah, pass
protection is not as good, you know, des Mohammed Sanus
still getting used to the offense and to kill. Harry's
new to the game and all those things too. And hey,
point point blank is Brady's not playing great either. I mean,
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Brady forty two. I don't know what, you know, everyone
argues me on this stuff when I say he's the
ninth best quarterback in football going in the season, and
now everyone's seeing it, but no one wants to say, oh,
you know what, Chris was right. You know, it's not
a slap in the face. He's forty two, and he's
a little flinchy in the pocket at times, and because
of that he does miss people open down field. And
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at other times I could tell you he takes a
let's say, a one on one shot down the field.
And I said, if he just hung in there, the
guy underneath is gonna be open. So he's not doesn't
deserve like no blame in this conversation either. I'm just
gonna say that out there too, because I feel like
everyone's a little scared to say it because it's New
England and Tom Brady, And of course I'm not. And
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Tom Brady's awesome, he's a legend, he's I know, he's
the goat all those things. But at the age of
forty two, let's be real about it. You know, he's
just not gonna make some plays and carry the offense
like he used to. And now they don't have some
of this, you know, guys around him to help it.
All the system work out and it's all kind of
kind of coming together in lackluster offensive performances. All right,
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what about Lamar? What do we what do we learn?
I mean, look, there was a lack of accuracy there,
although incredible playmaking with his feet, and I know that.
We just said, hey, Russell Wilson finds a way to
make plays to win games. And he did find a
way to make plays and when when games um, But
but but here's what I'm Here's what I'm I'm still
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concerned about throwing accuracy. I Ultimately, that's always been the
issue with quarterbacks out of the backfield, running running the
football and getting hurt. But I feel like, look, they've
they got this perfect thing where they have a very
good defense, um that they've their line is all in
the running game everything, and they've they've they've completely gone
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all in the big tight ends, give a bigger pass
catch radius, Hollywood Brown takes the top, like all that
stuff works. But defenses are designed at the start of
the year right now to stop West Coast, to stop spread.
They're not designed for this. You give it another year
and offseason and people will adjust long term. Any change
in your forecast over what you think Lamar's success rate
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will be. No, I I don't because because of kind
of the things you said. They've gone all in on
this system and it's not a gadget system. You know,
it might be unseen before in the history of the NFL,
but they have answers. You know that. When I watched
them on film, I don't just go, oh, you know, oh,
they just got lucky with that play call there against
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the right defense. No, they they like a good West
Coast coordinator or Kyle Shanahan or somebody like that. When
they see you're overplaying one run play, they gotta play
off of that to go, Okay, you're overplaying it, and
here's our screw you play for overplaying it. So they
do have answers that way. Now, do I believe six
seven years from now he's gonna be rushing for a
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hundred yards and games? No, But I mean we've seen
in two years that he continues to improve throwing the football. Uh,
and that's the big thing. But they have gone all in,
you know you mentioned it. They got a two running backs,
one of them who is just like a freight train,
I mean, mark Ingram. He'll run through the wall. He
doesn't care. You know. That offensive line they just got
a big bunch of big dudes that are just there
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there there. They'll bludgeon you their steamrollers, so you have
to worry about that. Then they have these creative on
edge runs that keep you off bounce let alone. They're
faking it up the middle to mark Ingram when they're
doing that, so they really handicap you that way. And
because of that, they get a lot of easy looks
in the past game. And I think Lamar has continued
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to grow as a passer this whole year, and I
don't think he's ever gonna have a game or you know,
I I don't know if there's gonna be a game
where he's ever gonna have to just go, oh man,
they're in trouble and he's gonna have to throw the
ball forty times. I I gotta see it to believe
it first. You know, there's teams like Seattle and New
Orleans who could certainly give that offense a tough time
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because of their size and physicality. That the Seattle really
did the best job against the quarterback run. Lamar had
two big runs in that game, and it was off
a scrambling off the drop back pass. But yeah, for now,
I'm gonna say it works because there's answers. It's not
just gimmicks. Without me getting too technically into football there.
And I'll say this about this game too, Doug. You know, again,
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the weather helped the Ravens. The weather was a been
a detriment to the Forts. Are the faster team. They
rely on their bootlegs and their play action to tie
the rest of their offense together. And because of the
weather in the monsoon they were playing in, you know,
they were reluctant to throw the ball down the field,
as you said, as the Ravens were too, But it
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just doesn't matter to the Ravens because they have enough
ways to run the ball and get four yards and
move the ball that way. So if they played again,
I still think it would be a great game. I
just think the weather would the weather hurt the forty
Niners more than the Ravens. That that makes complete and
total sense. Um, last thing, I know it was the Giants,
But I'm interested in the Packers obviously. We've seen them
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come out twice and lay eggs at the feet of
West Coast teams, Chargers and Niners. What do you think
about this Packer team that has struggled so much on
the road in California. Yeah, I mean, I think they're good.
I just don't think they're great. I really don't. You
know they would fall into that category again of I
don't know what really scares you. On offense, Don't get
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me wrong, Davante Adams is a really good player, but
he's not like he's not Tyreek Hill or one of
these guys where you go, oh gosh, if we don't
double him, we're screwed. The game's over. So no, he's
good and Rogers knows how to utilize him. Rogers is
really the only guy to be scared of. I mean,
that's really the big thing. The run game is a
little bit of hit and miss. You know. The defense
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definitely still scares me. You know. I look at the
Packers as being a team that you know, probably wins
their home wild card game and then he's got to
go on the road to San Francisco, Seattle, or or
New Orleans and they won't be able to beat them.
I just don't think they're quite in the class of
those two teams, just with difference makers on the field.
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You know, they've gone a little ways to improve themselves
with the Smiths guys on the edge, but there's just
not enough big beasts in the middle of their defensive line.
I don't think they're big enough and hulking enough in
the run game to just dominate some of the quality
defenses in football. And then off of that when they
can't do that, you know, they just don't have enough
firepower in the past game to me to make up
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for that against the elite teams. I'm holding them to
the elite standard is what we're talking about here. So yeah,
there are a playoff team that I look at as
winning one and then done in the divisional playoff round.
Great stuff, Chris Sims. You watch him on Football Night
in America, also covering Notre Dame football. Chris, thanks so
much for joining us anytime. Do be good man. Fox
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Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot
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s R to listen live talkome in Joe Clatt, lead
college football analyst for Fox Sports. Um, you and I
have been defenders of hardball. We both have said this
is an amazing Ohio State team. Can we defend hardball
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even after they get run out of their own building
like they did last weekend? Yeah? You know, I know
Michigan fans aren't gonna want to hear it, But this
is not the year Doug to form the indictment on
Jim Harbaugh. As it relates to to Ohio State, this
Ohio State team might be the best Ohiose State team
that they've had since the Woody Hayes days. It's better
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than any of the Urban Meyer teams. It's better than
any team that I've actually covered in the booth um. Now,
I don't know if they're gonna win it all or not,
because I think Clempson and l s u are also
like damn good, you know, So this is gonna be
an epic kind of clash down the stretch. But when
it when it comes back to Michigan, Michigan, I I
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don't understand, Doug, why is it Why is it such
a controversial opinion to say that Jim Harbaugh has done
an excellent job at Michigan and they are in not
only a far better place, but like a drastically better
place right now than they were in two thousand and fourteen.
And I'll go step further. You know, there were five
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and seven in two thousand and fourteen. That's a year
before hardball got there. Ohio State won the national championship
in two thousand and four teams. So the gap, the
margin that he's trying to close is as big of
a gap there as there is in terms of like
rivalries around the country. And he hasn't gotten that done.
And I'll be the first to say at some point
he's gonna have to get it done or else they'll
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have to move on. It will become kind of like
the John Cooper era at Ohio State. UM. But right
now they are in such a better place uh than
they were before he got there. They're much more relevant. Um.
There are a couple of snaps of the football away
from being a playoff team twice really in the last
four seasons. Uh So, I I don't know why is
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that such a controversial take to me? I think but
you know what I mean, Joel, let me I'll help
you in support your take even further. I don't think
one people understood what Michigan football went through. Okay, because
first day hired Rich Rodriguez, who brought a style that
obviously didn't work and couldn't figure out the defensive coordinator thing.
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But the three three five in the Big ten was
a disaster. Would it work in the Big twelve? Right?
Would work in the Big twelve? Yeah? Probably not? Not
in the Big ten? Uh. Lloyd Carr and he hated
each other. So you're all the alums were against Rich Rodriguez.
He leaves. They bring in Brady Hoke, who is a
great guy. Never didn't even wear a headset, right, and
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they were okay, but they were disorganized and they recruited
pretty well. Meanwhile, they weren't winning consistently and Penn State
was on probation and uh you know, Penn State was
on probation. So Penn State gets it back going and
it's a complete You're you're dealing with a much more
difficult league. And when he when he got there, Michigan
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State was rolling. Penn State's got it rolling now. And
Ohio State with the Luke Fickle year as the one
year in the last four teen that they've they've lost,
uh tow to Michigan. Ohio State wasn't like went from
terrible head coach to to great head coach. They went
from Jim Tressel, who was as successful as anybody in
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the sport, and they had one year under Fickle, and
then they went to Irban Meyer, who's essentially just like
a Nick Saban, only having done it multiple stops. You know.
So I don't think he understood the landscape, what is
harder now than it was then, what he inherited. Think
about this as well, just the history between the two programs,
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you know, and I did this with Colin a few
weeks ago, just talking about you know, Ohio State Doug,
They've won eleven or more games every year since Urban
Meyer got there. Every year. That's eight straight seasons. You know,
that's more eleven win seasons than Michigan has in its history.
Ohio State has more eleven wins seasons in the last
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eight years then Michigan does in its history. So there's
shim Beckler novel never won a national championship. Um, you
just have to there has to be some semblance of
of reason. And there's a lot of people that just
hate Jim Harbaugh and I understand that. I think that
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he's a really good head coach that has brought in
Michigan to a place where they are clearly respectable. And
now there is a cast got to get over the
hump of Ohio State. And I'll be the first one
to say that they need to do that, and they
need to do that, you know in the near future.
That's the voice of Joe Clatt, leads college football analysts
(36:33):
for Fox Sports. Okay, so the rankies come out tonight, Um,
would you put Ohio State ahead of l s U? Yes,
I have since week Doug, I don't know two or
three is is when I had Ohio State number one
and they've really been number one for me ever since.
UM And what I think people, unfortunately, you know, in
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this argument, they wanna rent and rave about l s
US resume, But if you actually boil it down, Ohio
State's resume is just as good. And they don't play
nearly the amount of cupcakes that l s U has
played throughout their schedule. So l s U has played
at the top end and there's no doubt, and they
have incredible wins, and they have a singular better win
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than Ohio State does right now with that win at Alabama. Absolutely,
there's no doubt about it. But Ohio State is piling
up the wins against ranked opponent currently ranked opponents. UM.
They also when you look at their nonconference everyone's like,
dure nonconference was a joke. You know that there they
have beaten DUG beaten four teams that are representing their
conference in the conference championship games. So every single one
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of their nonconference opponents while in the group of five
are in their conference championship game Wisconsin, they've already beaten
Is in the Big Ten championship game. UM. So I
think you can argue that Ohio States resume is right there,
and even if it's just a tick below, well, then
the rest of the body of work, as far as
they're complete nature statistical dominance, number one point differential in
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the country, number four scoring defense in the country, number
one scoring offense in the country. I think that you
can you can land on a pretty plausible conclusion that
Ohio State has earned the number one spot to date,
and I don't think that would change as long as
they beat Wisconsin, which would be another ranked win under
their belt on Saturday night, if they were able to
win the Big Ten championship. Tend to tend to really
(38:25):
really agree with you, Joel clad oar guest on The
Dead Show, You're almost disappointed there, no, no, no, I listened.
I wasn't just trying to transition to Oklahoma. Let's say,
let's say Georgia loses to l s U. Right, because
Georgia b T L s U. L s U is
gonna be the fourth team, right, Yes, I would. I
would agree with that, So Georgia has got a play
in game. Everything depends on L s U beating Georgia.
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But there's also there's also the what happens what happens
in Wisconsin beats Ohio State. I don't think anything. I
think oh How State goes and Wisconsin doesn't, So I
think you're we're in the exact same boat. I honestly
believe that the only thing that matters is if Georgia
beats l s U. Because then the four are set
with Clemson in there as well, and and it kind
of backs the Big twelve and the Pack twelve out.
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So as long as L s U wins, that you're
gonna have in this battle, this argument between the Pac
twelve and the Big twelve. Okay, but how about how
about this is a question. Remember you're a playoff expansion guy,
and the thing you've always learned, I've just four. But
you want conference champions, correct? I want only the four
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best conference champions, not automatic bits. I hate automatic bits.
I just hated to be a prerequisite in order to go.
So what happens, though, Like we're cool with let's say
l s U loses to Georgia and let's say Ohio
State loses to UH loses to Wisconsin, and Oklahoma beats Baylor.
(39:53):
Oklahoma is a conference champion with only one loss, granted
a road loss to Kansas State where they were down
big and we're competitive late, We're going to take two
teams that lost their last game ahead of a team
that went on a win streak and beat Baylor twice
and beat Oklahoma State in the road. Like Euro, E're
okay with that because we SI No. I that's interesting.
(40:19):
I was saying what I think is going to happen.
If you were just gonna ask me, like, what should happen,
just whole class world, what should happen? I would always
argue first and foremost for the conference champions. I will
be arguing at that point that we should be trying
to throw L s U or Ohio State out. If
Georgia beats l s U and you've got Wisconsin beating
(40:43):
Ohio State, then I then I would argue that one
of those teams need to be thrown out and the
winner of you know, and maybe both of them in particular,
because again, and in the model Doug that I I
am a proponent of, it would be that you have
to win your conference in order to go. So in
that case, to be that probably to argue for Utah.
(41:06):
You know, I'll probably argue for for Utah if they
win Oklahoma and Georgia and Clemson to be quite honest
with you, so you'd be okay. I just want to
make sure clear you'd be okay with l s U
not going, Ohio State not going just because they lost
to Wisconsin, and Utah going and and Oklahoma going because
(41:27):
they want in this In this imaginary Joel clad world,
I put you in charge. That's how you would would
think is a affair? What's the word I'm looking for?
Result Um. Yes, only in the sense that if if
that were the structure that was set and everyone understood
(41:47):
how it was set. There's also one other factor to
this whole, like I would just take conference champions and
that's that. I think that's a really big factor. And Doug,
what I would do is do away with divisions throughout
college foot all. Therefore, every conference championship game would be
a one versus two kind of seating like the Big
Twelve has right now. And then you could make an
(42:08):
argument that that is the playoff, that that's a a
you know, quarterfinal esque style of game, and it's like
you better win that one to go. We don't just
award a divisional round. Let's say you win your division
and then you lose the divisional round of the playoffs.
We don't say, like, well, they were probably better, you know,
so they would go, uh go onto the a f
C or NFC championship game. Listen. I know it's messy,
(42:30):
but in my scenario, I would have the one versus
two seats in every conference in the conference championship game.
Those would act as the facto quarterfinals. Then I would
throw the worst champion out and I would have the
fourth rest of the team's playoff. I'm a little confused.
I'm kidding, I'm not confused. Joel Class, our guest on
the Doug Otlieve Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Um,
(42:53):
what do you think about Oklahoma and Baylor Part two?
I can't wait to see it. The Baylor defense has
played a lot better as of late. So is Oklahoma's defense.
No one wants to admit this, but Oklahoma's defense, you
know that their number one in the Big Twelve and
in total offense and total defense. And it's the first
time that that that that's happened in a long time
in the Big Twelve. No one wants to admit that.
(43:15):
Did you even know that? Doug? And and again, it's
shocking to people because the narrative out there is that
that conference, that team specifically does not play any defense,
and and it's just not quite in the case. Um So,
I think Oklahoma has a really good shot. Their resume
if they win, is going to be easily a better
(43:37):
resume than Utah's. Now, it's just a matter of if
the committee wants to reward Utah for their dominance, their balance,
if you will, the fact that they are some new blood.
Do we have fatigued with ou getting into the last
two playoffs? I think that could be a part of
the human element, even though it's not supposed to be
the rest as shut. If Oklahoma is able to win
(43:59):
this game, they're gonna have a resume that that should
deserve inclusion. With all their ranked wins, with the fact
that they would have beaten an eleven win Baylor team twice,
one on the road, one in the neutral site. I
think that's a massive deal. Um And I think Oklahoma
has got a great shot. I do think that they're
gonna win the game. They're the better team and the
(44:19):
The important part of this is that Doug I thought
that there was a real change for them after that
Kansas State loss and even after that first half against
Baylor in their first meeting. They have really committed to
run in the football with Kennedy Brooks, they have been
You watched the game last week, you were there, and
(44:39):
they were mauling Oklahoma State. And Oklahoma State is not
a great defense. But that's what I think is is
so special about this version of OU is that they
are running the ball so effectively. I think that's gonna
help them out on Saturday. And and then interesting part
about that Big Twelf Championship game, Doug, is that we're
gonna know what been in the Pack twelve game Friday night.
(45:02):
So if Utah loses, you know, there's gonna be that
sense of play in you know when and you're in
pending what happens in the SEC game, of course, but
that could present a supercharged environment in Dallas for that
Big twelve game, depending on what happens on Friday Night
in that Utah Oregon game, what happens to Baylor wins.
(45:24):
Um If I'll just say like this, if Oregon wins
Friday night and l s U Beach Georgia, the winner
of the Big twelve goes whether it's Baylor or Oklahoma period.
Even they played nobody, they should have lost. I get it,
But who's Clemson played? You know what I mean? If
we're gonna least at least they played, they did play two.
(45:47):
They played played an s AN SEC team at SEC teams.
But let's be honest, one of those SEC SEC teams
lost the Appalachian State. I'm not gonna argue with you,
but I mean, just like, dude, compared to who Taylor played,
I mean, come on, oh, I get it. No listen,
and and and and Baylor didn't expect to be eleven
in one right, and they probably shouldn't be but scheduling
(46:09):
to try to dig themselves. That was three years ago,
and and and quite frankly, they should be scheduling that way. Not.
Role has done an incredible job. Think what he did
it at Temple in three years, and now would he's
done at Baylor in three years? If he's not the
Atlanta Falcons coach, I'm gonna be shocked. The question is
can you do in the NFL? Would for doing at
a big, big college man a lot of money there too.
(46:31):
But let's say we'll see Joel great stuff safe travels
to the Big Ten Championship game, and thanks for being
our guest he got about to see it,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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