December 16, 2019 • 36 mins
Doug tells you why the Cowboys finally getting a win over a team with a winning record still doesn’t paint a clear picture of Jason Garrett’s future with the team. He also reacts to the breaking news: WR Josh Gordon is once again suspended indefinitely by the NFL. Plus, he talks to Super Bowl Champ and NFL Analyst Trent Dilfer about the Browns continuing to disappoint, if the Cowboys are back in Super Bowl contention and if Russell Wilson should be the MVP.
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for bull season. Get his thoughts on some of the
quarterback play in college, who should go, where they should go?
And uh. This Chase Young plan is to come back
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and play what does all that mean? Also, Joe Burrow
won the Heisman. Whatever happened to the heisman? Remember the
hisman was the thing. It feels like it's not as
big a thing. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's because
this is simply affirmation. Plus we got our breakdown of
the tape of the tape. Right, that was what was
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weird about Jay Glazer, who we've said this before by
Jay Glazer. If you want to know something's gonna happen,
and Jake j Jay Glazer says something's gonna happen, It's
going to happen. He said, Hey, in j gonna snow
in Los Angeles, I'd be like, man, let's buy some snowshoes. Right,
he doesn't The volume of breaking stories maybe isn't schefter,
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but the importance of them. He came on this show
and reaffirmed something he said the mail bag about Odell
Beckham jr Adeodo Beckham Juior is gonna you know, don't
be surprised if he's traded. Three later he's traded. So
Jay glazers amazing. But he had a tape of the tape.
It wasn't just a tape, right, That part was weird like,
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here's the tape being played for people when they're talking
about it. Cowboys with a dominant win this past weekend,
how about damn Cowboys? What do we make of it?
I guess it's a blessing and a curse. You dominate
Covin overly regarded RAMS team and we assume all is good,
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or maybe we say this is what they should have
been doing all the time. That's a little bit, just
a little bit like the Cam Newton thing. When you're
consistently inconsistent, you're inconsistent as a player or as a team.
That's who they are. But but my biggest takeaway from
this entire weekend is we have no patience anymore. None.
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And I'm not saying it's just in regards of football.
It's in regards to everything, right. I mean, have you
ever walked into a Starbucks, waited in line, made an order,
waited for your coffee, sat and had your coffee, Like
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you can say what you want about your coffee place.
I've become a coffee bean guy since I moved to
southern California. But my coffee being closed yesterday, shout out
r I p pour out some liquor for my coffee
bean and uh Westcliff Plaza. Not all coffee beans, just
that one. But whether but but what's his name Schultz?
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I want to say George Schultz. It's not George Schultz.
What his name Schultz? Howard Schultz. The the ultimate idea
of Starbucks was it for to be your third place.
Right you got home, you got work. We want to
be your third place. It used to be the neighborhood bar.
But you can't go to you neighborhood bar until late tom.
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He allows you from five am six am to sit, relax,
read your paper, get on your phone, or just kim.
It's with people around you. The idea of Starbucks was
We're going to be your third place. But now with
mobile ordering, it's not really your third place. You don't
even have to make eye contact with another human being.
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All right, you get out of your car, you walk in,
you look, it's got your label, You pick it up,
you go bye bye. There's a drink I get. It's
called a nitro, And the only tedious thing about a
nitro from Starbucks is because it's only good when it's fresh.
You actually have to talk to a barista before you
get your mobile order, like Hey, Nitro guy is here. Now,
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let's make it, which means you actually have to wait
a second, and it's frustrating. Why don't have to wait?
Everything else is ready? We have no patience story breaks.
We want to know. We want to know now, now, now, now, now, now.
We don't want to wait in traffic. We don't want
to wait. We don't want to go and park our
car wait forgot. We want an uber to pick us up,
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and we want the uber to be waiting for us.
That's why we pressed the button right when we're getting
off the plane. We have no patience, and we're the
same as football fans. Well, he's gonna be the next
Cotch to the Cowboys, is gonna be a Remyer? What's
gonna help with Jason Carey? What are they gonna do
with Dak Prescott? I was talking with an NFL GM
and he's one of these gms that has to figure
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out his quarterback situations. Talking to him Friday, he said
his ownership comes in every day. He said his head
coach has come in several times a week. He said
there's been other front office people that have asked him
on a bi weekly basis, what are you gonna do
about the quarterback, and what he said is what I
will teach you. I don't know, but I don't have
to decide now. Are the Cowboys talented? Yes? Are they good?
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I don't know, and I don't have to decide now.
I can enjoy the roller coaster ride and we'll see
how it plays out, assuming they make the playoffs. But
of course they're gonna have to beat the Eagles the
second time, as the Eagle survived the Redskins with backups
to backups at wide receiver. All right, So we'll have
to wait to see what happens if they make the playoffs.
If they make the playoffs and they win a game
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or two, then guess what. Jason cares probably the coach
next year. If they don't, he's not. What do the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers do with Jamis Winston who for four
fifty yards two weeks ago he had three interceptions. This
week he only had one, and he completely tore up
a decent defense. And from last week it was, hey,
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maybe you should get rid of Jamis Winston too, Maybe
you should keep Jamis Winston. Bruce arians hasn't decided, you
know why, doesn't have to not all the decisions will
be clear cut at the end, but we can wait
till the end until we make them. You don't have
to fire a coach today. You don't have to answer
with you're keeping a coach today. You don't have to
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answer a question about a quait. You definitely don't have
to make a determination about how good a football team is.
If you don't believe me, I give you the Houston Texans.
I give you the San Francisco forty Niners. Last week
on a Monday, I greet the Niners. Right. Yeah, they
lost one they probably could have had against the Ravens,
but they went in and they beat the Saints in
New Orleans. But they're they're for real until they're not.
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They come back home, they lose the Atlanta Falcons, a
Dome team that's likely to fire all of their coaches,
beats them on their own home field. Then you have
the Houston Texans, who beat the Patriots finally got that
monkey off their back. Then they lose two in a row,
including to the Denver Broncos. You're starting a rookie quarterback
and only a second start, only to go on the
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road and beat the red hot Tennessee Titans. Are they good?
I don't know. I wait till the end of the year.
I've told you this story many times before. I'm and
it's the painted house story in which my wife were
in Connecticut. We bought a house. I liked it because
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it was white, and from the moment we moved in,
she determined, I don't want a white house anymore. You
want to pay it like a gray Beigi Topi sort
of color. And I said, okay, I'll negotiate the price.
We get the thing done. We come home from vacations
half painted, and I was like, man, I want that
thing painted back. And she said, wait till it's done.
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When it's done, come and see it, you know, three
or four times when you drive up. If you still
want it painted back white, we'll have that conversation. Maybe
we'll paint it back. Why it got done, and I
was like, you know what, your ride looks way better again.
I'm not saying Jason Garrett is a good coach. I'm
not saying it's not frustrating to watch them play. And
I kind of think that this year's Rams is what
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the next year's Cowboys are gonna look like, right, because
you're gonna spend so much money in your quarterback. You
already spent so much money in your running back, and
you spend so much money on you know, your offensive line.
A couple of pieces in your offensive line, and on
a couple of pieces is a defense that you're going
to have gaping holes with the rest of your roster.
And that's what's happened to the l A. Rams, especially
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since the running back has fallen off, which Zeke has
fallen off slightly, but not like Todd Gurley. And there's
no reason he doesn't have the injury history of Todd Gurley.
But what I'm saying is, before we determine exactly what
we're going to do, let's let the whole thing play out.
Let's set the whole thing play out. Wait until all
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the paint is dry, Drive up and back your street
three or four times, walk around the house, walk out front,
take a breath, take a good hard look at it
after it's done, and then you can go. You know what,
I still don't like it. That's what you do with
the Cowboys. As the Cowboys been frustrating, sure, but they're
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seven and seven. They have a fairly easy schedule. The
rest of the way, right, if you end up nine
and seven, go to the playoffs home game, win a game,
and maybe they win a second aime, You're not gonna
fire Jason Garrett. As frustrating as this year has been
Jamis Winston, who kept turning the football over his first
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year in this system. He keeps throwing for four yards.
You're not gonna find anybody in college. I'm not gonna
find anybody on the free agent market. You're gonna try
and fix Marcus Mariota to just get rid of Jamis Winston.
You're just not so These last couple of games matter.
But more than anything, what matters is patients. We've even
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lost patients at Starbucks, our third place. We lose patients
with our kids in their development sports. We lose patients
with relationships supposed to know right away we love. We
lose patients with TV shows, with movies right because now
if you don't. My son and I were watching, Uh,
he's been sick, so we watched five, watched five movies.
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Yesterday we're watching Princess Briane and he's like, Dad, this
is slow. Can we get a new movie? It's Princess Pride.
Why are you smiling because I know something that you
did not know that I am not left handed right like,
But kids have no patience, because we have no patience,
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and we want to know now, now, now, now, now.
The Cowboys are inconsistent, because they're inconsistent, But are you
gonna clean house with their coaching staff? Take a breath
and wait. Feels that way, but we gotta wait until
the paint dries. Jamis Winston gonna be replaced paint drives
hell Philip rivers. Last week you're like, well, maybe a
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hold on of Philip rivers now, you like, can't get
everything cook enough. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio Whap. Nick Shooks says that several Arizona Cardinal
players reported hearing Jarvis Landry say come get me, come
get me um. And of course there's video that exists
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of Jarvis Landry getting into it with Freddie Kitchens, his
head coach. Freddie Kitchens said, I wouldn't change Jarvis for anything.
Jarvis plays the game with passion, which I love. He's tough,
he's physically wants to win, and when you want to
win as badly as Jarvis does, sometimes the emotion gets
the best of you. But I don't have a problem
with Jarvis. He's one of my favorites, the way he
plays the game, him as a person, everything see. You
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combine that with the story out of Cleveland that at
this point the Browns intend to stay with Freddie Kitchen
Freddie Kitchens as their quarterback, and you start to wonder
if they're not act ascuse me as their head coach.
I said quarterback, sorry, as their as their head coach.
He did play quarterback and was a quarterback coach before.
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He's running back coach before he became the offensive coordinator.
Um they lose, they get embarrassed. People are calling for
his job. Their six and eight on the season. They
still have the Ravens at home and at the Bengals,
a Bengals team they should beat if they show any
sort of effort. That's seven wins. You beat the Ravens,
you sweep the Ravens, which is a possibility at eight
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and eight. I don't fire him. Look, if you want
to have any form of accountability for the players, at
some point you gotta stick with a coach, right, at
some point, it's not just the coach's fault, it's the
player's fault. Now, do I think that that Freddy Kitchens
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has empowered the wrong guys? Yeah? Do I think he
should have hired a legit offensive coordinator and simply become
a head coach and tinker with the offense. Yes, of course,
And all these things will be done if he does
in fact remain, if he does in fact remain as
the head coach. But I I think it's really important,
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super important that at some point the Browns have some
form of stability, some form of stability. We're gonna ask Trendelfer,
he's gonna join us what he would do. I do
think that Freddie has lacked you know, they've lacked imagine, imagination,
They've lad a lot of different things. More than anything,
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there just hasn't been a discipline there. And I'm gonna
guess that some of it is how Freddy runs a ship.
That Freddie came from being a running backs coach. You know,
it's really really hard when you were just one of
the position coaches to now, oh, now you're in charge.
Now you're the bad guy and Freddie also wants to
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say true to who he is, which is kind of
a nice, fun loving guy. But last year was a
mess with Hugh Jackson right, and Greg Williams and uh
Todd Haley. You know, Hugh didn't hire Todd Haley. Todd
Haley didn't respect Hugh. They get into it, they both
get fired. But like, look, it's at some point you
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gotta say, you know what we're gonna Just like we're
not gonna cut every player when they have an up
and down disappointing season. We're not gonna cut every coach
that has an up and down disappointing season. I look,
I didn't like the decision based upon where this team
is and wants to be immediately to hire him. But
once you hire him, now you got to give him
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a legit chance to figure out the job. And pulling
the plug on the Freddie Kitchens experience sounds like the
smart thing, and it's the easy thing, but the hard
thing may be more rewarding and it may empower him
and have some accountability towards the players. Not only would
I not trade Jarvis Landing your trade Odell Beckham g Like, hey,
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guess what that guy is gonna be your coach, so
you're gonna have to figure it out. This is what
we do with children today. You know, I asked my daughter,
my daughter, one of my daughters is struggling in several
of her but whatever, like her science class because she
didn't turn some work in. And you know, like, I
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don't know if you guys know this, if you have
kids to you have kids, now you find out that
day when they didn't turn in work, and you don't
wait till the report card. You can get it online.
So I confirmed, But hey, what's going on here in science?
You know that teacher kind of bug eyed, kind of
looks like a serial killer, and he just he didn't
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give us enough. No no no no no no no
no no no. You didn't turn in your work, turn
your work, prepare, show up on time, take notes and
you'll be fine. But today, when your kid gets in
trouble in school, a lot of parents blame the teacher,
teachers to the jerk teachers and like me, teacher isn't
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like my kid. That's what we do. In professional sports,
Bryant Jarvis Landry loses cool, tells the other team come
get me, and we're like oh, we'll fire the coach. No,
that's reprehensible behavior. Keep him, find him, make him figure
out how to make it work. Be sure to catch
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coach trying deal for joins US Super Bowl champion quarterback
on The Doug Outlap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
what do we think of the Cowboys now? No, differently,
I mean they're high ceiling, little floor of the whole year. Um,
they look great at times. They look like they can
beat anybody. Um, Super explosive offensively, get stops on defense,
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good on special teams. The next week they you know,
have a stinker. Um the only light I saw guests
or that could um be a really good side moving forward.
They're more multiple on defense. They gave more look to
remember a few weeks ago, Troykman was doing one of
their games. I can't remember. It was a Thursday night. Yeah,
it was a trabisky game. And he kept talking about
how the Cowboys make it easy for young quarterbacks. They
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just line up and play their defense. There's not a
lot of bells and whistles, not a lot of I
candy that can confuse. And he was saying that's easy.
He's like, they gotta be more multiple, and they yesterday,
yesterday they were more multiple. They had some new blitz packages,
they disguised more, they moved, they moved around pretty snap more. Um,
maybe that's a sign that they're getting better. Uh. If
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they continue to do that, they can be dangerous because
they are talented. Um. But again there's just a frustrating
team because they're good is so good and they're bad
so bad. Okay, So, why though, did it take so
long for them to become so multiple? I don't know.
I really respect well. I know Rod Maryelly's background. He
coached me when I was in Tampa. You know, he's
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from the Tony Dungee money um money Kiffin system where
you you line up and you play cover one, you
play cover two. You have three or four standard blitz
is and and you just say, hey, we're gonna run
to the ball, we're gonna hit you, we're gonna play fast,
we're not gonna think too much. And you know that
worked when offenses were condensed. That worked when everything was
played kind of tight, like a scrub. But now it's
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boundary to boundary. It's there's new rules and uh an
offensive football, I mean, you can do anything. A lot
of the Saturday game has has made its way to Sunday.
You've got to be multiple you you have to be
able to come from different directions. You have to show
one thing pre snap and the ball snap do another thing,
um to mess with all the quarterbacks reads, offensive lineman reads,
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the running backs reads the receivers reads. Everybody's reading stuff
after the ball snap. So you better change it up.
And and yesterday there was more of it. Um. I
think it's the only way you can play successful defense
right now in the NFL's if you give offenses multiple
looks and make them think, because when they think, they
slow down. All right, same question. I guess for the Rams,
we thought they had turned the corner, and uh, they
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take an absolute dump on the field in Dallas. What
do we make of the defending NFC champions. He's still
having knock back on the offensive line and Jared, Jared
has not played well this year. I'm a huge Goff fan. Um,
I do think he's a lot better than he's played
this year, but he hasn't been consistent. Um. The offensive
line doesn't have knockbacks. Everything's lateral. Um. They don't get
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after the upfront. I don't think the runners the same. Um.
I Actually, when when people first started saying Girly was different,
I argued with them, But now I'm on their side.
He's a different player. He's not the same player he
once was. Um. They don't have you know, when Cooks
isn't on the field, they don't have a ton of
juice at receivers. So a lot of the stuff that
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made them so successful, made them so um so explosive
offensively isn't there right now. And Jared just isn't yet.
He isn't season enough yet to kind of carry it
on his own, and his inconsistency, UM takes him down
a dark path. A lot of times, the Browns are
replied and again this is before the season is done. Reportedly,
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sticking with Freddy Kitchens right move around move it's a
bad move. Listen. I think he's a good guy and
he's a he was a really good coordinator. I don't
think he's been a good head coach. I don't think
the system that he's implemented is best for the quarterback. UM.
I think he's he hasn't shown the sophistication, the gravitas
it takes to be an NFL head coach. UM. I
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think it's one of those that they have the opportunity
to cut bait before the quarterback really goes go sideways
and the corback Baker has not played well. I mean,
he's below average UM in this league, and and a
lot of that has to do with the person um
kind of responsible for his development. That's pretty Kitchens. So UM.
I hate being harsh on head coaches, especially early, but
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this just has not been a good fit. No question
about the Packers statistically are mostly average average. Yet they
won again and obviously survived. You know the lateral that
that didn't happen. Um, how are they able to accruise
so many wins when across the board there doesn't appear
to be anything particularly special about the Packers. I wish
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I knew the answer, because I'm thinking the same thing
when I watch them. They don't have a ton of
stuff that jumps out. I mean, Aaron when he's playing good,
is still one of the best players in the league.
But nothing just jumps out of you that they do great.
I think they do a lot of things well. They're
really good in the kicking game this year, which has
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been a huge thing for them. They've been terrible and
special teams last couple of years. They've been really good
this year. UM they run the ball at times really
well and then at times it's just kind of milk toast,
and defensively they're hit or miss. So I don't know.
I think of the five teams in the NFC that
UM have the great records, they're the least of the five.
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Just from from I test and watching them every single week,
they're they're the least impressive of those five teams. How However,
when Twelves your quarterback, I mean, I've seen him do
this before where he just takes an average bunch and
gets hot in the playoffs. One year they won the
Super Bowl and one year they got really close, and
I you know, I think that's where you you talked
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to some of the great quarterbacks that played the game,
and and they kind of wait for that. They'll say this,
that this time of years when a quarterback can kind
of take it over, and and I can see Aaron
doing that because they're good enough that if he gets
smoking hot um that they can beat anybody. Yeah, people
forget with that bad calf. He should have beaten the
Seahawks and Seattle gone to a second super obviously did
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not happen. A bunch of things went crazy for him.
Speaking of the Seahawks, well, we're real quick. The year
they wanted I think that's something like eighteen guys on
I R too. I mean, people forget the year they
beat the Steelers, that that defense statistically was terrible. They
had eighteen guys in I R. They weren't great during
the season. They're kind of like this, they were just
kinda uh. And then he just went on some historic
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run in terms of being hodd as a quarterback and
they walked off as champions. So I don't want to
put it past him because he's that kind of good.
But I guess the long wounded way of saying I
agree with you they just nothing jumps out when you
watch them as being really good, They're just kind of solid.
If if you're the Tampa Buccaneers, Jammeis Winston throws from
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a four h fift yards the second straight game, this
time with only one inceptional that was an early interception.
What do you do with Jamis? It's a tough one
because he's like he's like the Cowboys. He's really really
good or really really bad, and that leads you to aid, um,
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I think I don't know. I honestly don't know, because
I could see in the in the in the offices,
like and see management saying, Wow, you know we're not
gonna give me better. You know we're not gonna go
draft somebody more explosive. We're not gonna go draft somebody
who's a better leader. We're not gonna go We're gonna
draft Somebody's gonna have to learn all the hard lessons
that Jamie's is still learning. And then I can see
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from the practical discussions going on in the coaching rooms like, yeah,
it's good, it's really good. But he gets his beat
a lot of times too, because he's careless with the ball.
And I rather have a guy who's kind of got
a mid ceiling and high floor because you can win
with him. So I can see both sides of the
discussion going on in the building. Um, it seems if
Bruce really likes him and likes this style of football,
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he likes this aggressive, kind of alpha way of playing quarterback,
and he's done it in the past with other quarterbacks
where they've thrown a lot of interceptions and then they
decrease those interception numbers a year by year. I mean
Ben Roethlisberger. Uh, we had Peyton Manny and people forget
when he had Peyton Manning. Peyton throw a billion interceptions
early on, and the NIAT sure it got better. Maybe
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Bruce is just selling, Hey, give me enough time with
this kid and he'll still be equally explosive and and
be less careless with the ball. Ndel for our guest
Super Bowl Champion quarterback down the Doug Outland Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. We'll both agree Lamar Jackson is
going to be the m v P. But in terms
of true value, is any player more valuable to their
football team than Russell Wilson? No, no, no, And and
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I think it would be a bigger discussion, and one
I'm fine with the more winning the MVPs. I mean,
it's musty TV has been incredible. He's everything he's been
people talk about. But when I played in Seattle, Matthew houseback,
you say this all the time. It's like playing in Canada.
Nobe even knows you're in the NFL from a national
exposure standpoint, and we don't have when we're up there,
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even when we're rolling. We he didn't have your you know,
thirties two different credentials every week coming and you didn't
have your five feature stories that they're doing on you
every week like they do elsewhere around the league. It's
it's kind of so far up Northwest that you get
forgotten about. And I think that happens to Russell that, um,
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people don't always see his games. Um he's not in
the mainstream conversation all the time. Um it's Seattle, Washington,
not Baltimore, not Kansas City, you know, not not these
places in the country that every um but he thinks
of football towns. And UM, I don't know what it is,
but I mean, this should have been a discussion all
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year long, Russell versus Lamar, not just Lamar running away
with it. No, I I agree with you. How did
the Bills do this? How did they go from a
team that had the longest playoff drought to making the
playoffs two times in three years, both times with you know,
along with Torod Taylor and one time now with Josh Allen.
How did they do this? It's gonna sound eso, Terek,
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but just you know, I think you'll get it. I
think everybody will get it. They know who they are,
very much like the Baltimore Ravens. They don't try to
be anything but exactly who they are. They're very good defensively,
they're very good on special teams. They're very conservative on offense. Uh,
and they like it that way. They trust that the
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game is going to be close, that they'll make more
plays on defense or in the kicking game or the
quarterback at the end of games. They don't try to
make the quarterback be Drew Brees or Tom Brady or
Patrick Mahomes. He's the best version of Josh Allen that
he can be, and it's pretty darn good. Um. They're
not afraid of running them in key moments. I think
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it's nine or ten touchdowns rushing already. This year. Um,
they just know who they're and they don't try to
be anything else. And the only example and give us
that when we're in Tampa. You know, we were the
worst franchise and all the football and then Tony Jones
came in and and in went to the playoffs ninety
nine NFC Championship game. In a short amount of time,
we turned it around. It was very simple. Yeah, we
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got good players, the Warren STAPs and John Lynches and
Derrek Brooks, but we never tried to be anything but
we were but what we were. When we tried to
get outside of that and tried to be something else,
we stunk. When we just stay true to who we were,
we were a really good football team. I think that's
who the Bills are. Here's the problem with that, though,
you don't win a super Bowl that way. You get
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to the playoffs every year and you'll win nine to
eleven games, but you don't have that finishing quality because
you don't have the extra stuff. And that's the thing
I think that we'll start talking about with Buffalo and
years to come is how do they if I think
that next thing, um, last thing, Carson Wentz, I don't
know how you explained this season. You point out he
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hasn't played as well as he should. We've pointed out
a ton of injuries obviously. I mean you're using Greg
Ward who was a wide receiver slash quarterback in college,
been cut several times over and that's the game when
you touchdown pass. How would you characterize to somebody who
doesn't know the quarterback position? Uh, what your thoughts are
in Carson Wentz right now, Um, he's got as much
horsepower as any player in the league, but he also
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has some Jameis Winston him. He's very, very careless with
the ball in the pocket and throwing it, and he
tries to do too much. And I think it's kind
of Superman complex that he knows his receivers are banged up.
He knows they don't have a ton of juice. So
he's trying to win the game on his own. And
when he plays bad, that's the answer. And he plays good,
that's the answer. Like it's the same answer when it
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goes his way, and those tight window throws get caught.
When he throws it early on late breaking out routes
before the guy is open and gets caught, it's awesome.
When the guy goes a yard too deep and then
dB gets in front of its interceptor. He tries to
climb from the pocket and shed a tackle and it
gets and the ball gets slapped away and he fumbles
it and the other team recovers it. It's bad, but
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it's the same every week. It's Frenetick. It's the Superman
Cape and he believes he can make every single play
in the game because he can. He's got that type
of horsepower. But the same thing that makes you laugh
makes you cry. And that's Carson Wentz, That's Jamis Winston,
That's that was Cam Newton for a while. Um, these
guys that have supreme physical talent, many times let let
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that um confidence in their talent override the discretion it
probably should take to help them win more games. And
it's the curses Brett Farve curse. It's the curse of
just being supremely, supremely talented. Fren Dilfer, head coach at
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wide receiver Josh Gordon has been suspended and definitely by
the NFL for violating the league's policy on performance and
dancing substances and substances of abuse. So Josh Gordon suspended indefinitely. Also,
just a few minutes ago, the Chiefs put a claim
in for defensive end Terrell Suggs, who was released by
the Cardinals. Now Suggs was thought to possibly be headed
(31:57):
to the Ravens, but now the Chiefs have blocked that
by putting a claim in for him. But Josh Gordon
the big news just coming down. Suspended definitely. Wait real
quick on on the Sugs thing. Who in the pecking order?
Who gets who gets? Trell sucks? Well, the Chiefs were
ahead of the Ravens in that order, so they put
the claim in, so the Ravens were unable to even
put a claim in for him. Hm, and the Cardinals
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won a game after cutting him, right, That's the that
that part is amazing to me. Sure. Yeah, and where
the Cardinals are, there's really no need for a you know,
a veteran of what fourteen years however long Suggs has
been there, so if but why why did he sign there?
I love? These guys are like, man, I gotta go
to a winner. You know, like, well, why did you
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sign there? Did you think the Cardinals are all of
a sudden gonna gonna make the playoffs in that division? No?
You signed there because because they paid you the most money.
And then when you you don't win as predicted, you don't,
you won't win. You're like, man, I gotta go to
a winner. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I
don't like that. Well, there was a report of the
weekend that Suggs wouldn't report to any team except the Ravens,
which is interesting because the Chiefs lost Alex Oka for
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likely for the season because of a torn pack yesterday,
so they're short on the defensive line. But if the
reports were true that they're basically just blocking, the Chiefs
would be blocking a reunion. Uh, a reunion with Sugs
and the Ravens. Right, I I want to get to
the importance of ravens, chiefs all that stuff in a second,
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first of the Josh Gordon thing, because we have heard
people you're watching and you and obviously buyers, like a
resident Seahawks fan, watch the Seahawks about man. How can
the how can the Patriots just let this guy go? Man?
You know, Tom Brady needs weapons. He had a weapon.
They knew, they didn't they might not have known known,
They might not have known if he was back on stuff.
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And by the way, this's a double whammy. Apparently it's
not just one but two different types of failure of
a drug test. One perform to answers and to the
recreational variety. So my man's gone completely off the wagon.
They might not have known exactly what he was doing.
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But when you're an addict and you start showing up
late to meetings, you know, and you're showing a lack
of interest in the little things and you're not as engaged.
They knew even if they didn't know, you know how
big a loss this for the Seahawks buyer not huge
because they haven't used him as much. Did have a
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big catch yesterday against Carolina. I will say this, though,
I thought his role was going to increase as they
moved on, especially in the playoffs, because he is an
NFL wide receiver. He looks the part. He he made
a great diving catch yesterday as I mentioned, also through
an interception on an end a round, but they hadn't
used him as much they used, you know, Tyler Lockett,
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dk metcalf more. But remember that forty Niners game when
he just came in, had a third and tend and
what do they do? Then we ran a slant to
Josh Gordon and he caught it. So yeah, I think
it's a I think it's a you know, it's a loss,
maybe not as big as some people would have thought.
But there's also a reason why teams keep on giving
him chance after chance after chance, because the skills are
just you know, it feels like it feels like it
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might be had of chances. Though still only I understand.
But if he's suspended, that means he's gone for probably
at least a year, right because of how he's been
suspended indefinitely before, So he's gone and throughout this year,
probably a good portion of next year before he can
apply even for reinstatement. And now you get to twenty nine,
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you get to thirty, you've been on multiple teams. Just
some point. I get that he's talented, but you know,
when you're one beer away from being suspended in definitely again,
is it? Is it worth it? Now? The good thing
is there's no abuse of any other human being, right,
there's no It's not like he laid his hands on
a kid or a dog or a woman or anything
like that, So that this is more just a guy
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who's an addict, and we rightfully have, um, what is
it sympathy in our hearts? I think for people who
are addicted to foreign substances. But this is a guy
for a long time, a long time, going back to college,
right has has had these issues and fought these demons.
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But I just I don't know if we're not out
of out of chances at some point in time, fifth
time he's been suspended, what's the record? Who holds the record?
Who's the Steve how of the NFL. I think it's
gotta be I think it's gotta be Josh Gordon. It's
gotta be five Oh, Because I'm I'm fascinated by it,
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quarterback play in college, who should go, where they should go?
And uh. This Chase Young plan is to come back
(01:03):
and play what does all that mean? Also, Joe Burrow
won the Heisman. Whatever happened to the heisman? Remember the
hisman was the thing. It feels like it's not as
big a thing. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's because
this is simply affirmation. Plus we got our breakdown of
the tape of the tape. Right, that was what was
(01:26):
weird about Jay Glazer, who we've said this before by
Jay Glazer. If you want to know something's gonna happen,
and Jake j Jay Glazer says something's gonna happen, It's
going to happen. He said, Hey, in j gonna snow
in Los Angeles, I'd be like, man, let's buy some snowshoes. Right,
he doesn't The volume of breaking stories maybe isn't schefter,
(01:49):
but the importance of them. He came on this show
and reaffirmed something he said the mail bag about Odell
Beckham jr Adeodo Beckham Juior is gonna you know, don't
be surprised if he's traded. Three later he's traded. So
Jay glazers amazing. But he had a tape of the tape.
It wasn't just a tape, right, That part was weird like,
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here's the tape being played for people when they're talking
about it. Cowboys with a dominant win this past weekend,
how about damn Cowboys? What do we make of it?
I guess it's a blessing and a curse. You dominate
Covin overly regarded RAMS team and we assume all is good,
(02:31):
or maybe we say this is what they should have
been doing all the time. That's a little bit, just
a little bit like the Cam Newton thing. When you're
consistently inconsistent, you're inconsistent as a player or as a team.
That's who they are. But but my biggest takeaway from
this entire weekend is we have no patience anymore. None.
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And I'm not saying it's just in regards of football.
It's in regards to everything, right. I mean, have you
ever walked into a Starbucks, waited in line, made an order,
waited for your coffee, sat and had your coffee, Like
(03:16):
you can say what you want about your coffee place.
I've become a coffee bean guy since I moved to
southern California. But my coffee being closed yesterday, shout out
r I p pour out some liquor for my coffee
bean and uh Westcliff Plaza. Not all coffee beans, just
that one. But whether but but what's his name Schultz?
(03:39):
I want to say George Schultz. It's not George Schultz.
What his name Schultz? Howard Schultz. The the ultimate idea
of Starbucks was it for to be your third place.
Right you got home, you got work. We want to
be your third place. It used to be the neighborhood bar.
But you can't go to you neighborhood bar until late tom.
(04:00):
He allows you from five am six am to sit, relax,
read your paper, get on your phone, or just kim.
It's with people around you. The idea of Starbucks was
We're going to be your third place. But now with
mobile ordering, it's not really your third place. You don't
even have to make eye contact with another human being.
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All right, you get out of your car, you walk in,
you look, it's got your label, You pick it up,
you go bye bye. There's a drink I get. It's
called a nitro, And the only tedious thing about a
nitro from Starbucks is because it's only good when it's fresh.
You actually have to talk to a barista before you
get your mobile order, like Hey, Nitro guy is here. Now,
(04:43):
let's make it, which means you actually have to wait
a second, and it's frustrating. Why don't have to wait?
Everything else is ready? We have no patience story breaks.
We want to know. We want to know now, now, now, now, now, now.
We don't want to wait in traffic. We don't want
to wait. We don't want to go and park our
car wait forgot. We want an uber to pick us up,
(05:04):
and we want the uber to be waiting for us.
That's why we pressed the button right when we're getting
off the plane. We have no patience, and we're the
same as football fans. Well, he's gonna be the next
Cotch to the Cowboys, is gonna be a Remyer? What's
gonna help with Jason Carey? What are they gonna do
with Dak Prescott? I was talking with an NFL GM
and he's one of these gms that has to figure
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out his quarterback situations. Talking to him Friday, he said
his ownership comes in every day. He said his head
coach has come in several times a week. He said
there's been other front office people that have asked him
on a bi weekly basis, what are you gonna do
about the quarterback, and what he said is what I
will teach you. I don't know, but I don't have
to decide now. Are the Cowboys talented? Yes? Are they good?
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I don't know, and I don't have to decide now.
I can enjoy the roller coaster ride and we'll see
how it plays out, assuming they make the playoffs. But
of course they're gonna have to beat the Eagles the
second time, as the Eagle survived the Redskins with backups
to backups at wide receiver. All right, So we'll have
to wait to see what happens if they make the playoffs.
If they make the playoffs and they win a game
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or two, then guess what. Jason cares probably the coach
next year. If they don't, he's not. What do the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers do with Jamis Winston who for four
fifty yards two weeks ago he had three interceptions. This
week he only had one, and he completely tore up
a decent defense. And from last week it was, hey,
(06:33):
maybe you should get rid of Jamis Winston too, Maybe
you should keep Jamis Winston. Bruce arians hasn't decided, you
know why, doesn't have to not all the decisions will
be clear cut at the end, but we can wait
till the end until we make them. You don't have
to fire a coach today. You don't have to answer
with you're keeping a coach today. You don't have to
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answer a question about a quait. You definitely don't have
to make a determination about how good a football team is.
If you don't believe me, I give you the Houston Texans.
I give you the San Francisco forty Niners. Last week
on a Monday, I greet the Niners. Right. Yeah, they
lost one they probably could have had against the Ravens,
but they went in and they beat the Saints in
New Orleans. But they're they're for real until they're not.
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They come back home, they lose the Atlanta Falcons, a
Dome team that's likely to fire all of their coaches,
beats them on their own home field. Then you have
the Houston Texans, who beat the Patriots finally got that
monkey off their back. Then they lose two in a row,
including to the Denver Broncos. You're starting a rookie quarterback
and only a second start, only to go on the
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road and beat the red hot Tennessee Titans. Are they good?
I don't know. I wait till the end of the year.
I've told you this story many times before. I'm and
it's the painted house story in which my wife were
in Connecticut. We bought a house. I liked it because
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it was white, and from the moment we moved in,
she determined, I don't want a white house anymore. You
want to pay it like a gray Beigi Topi sort
of color. And I said, okay, I'll negotiate the price.
We get the thing done. We come home from vacations
half painted, and I was like, man, I want that
thing painted back. And she said, wait till it's done.
(08:22):
When it's done, come and see it, you know, three
or four times when you drive up. If you still
want it painted back white, we'll have that conversation. Maybe
we'll paint it back. Why it got done, and I
was like, you know what, your ride looks way better again.
I'm not saying Jason Garrett is a good coach. I'm
not saying it's not frustrating to watch them play. And
I kind of think that this year's Rams is what
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the next year's Cowboys are gonna look like, right, because
you're gonna spend so much money in your quarterback. You
already spent so much money in your running back, and
you spend so much money on you know, your offensive line.
A couple of pieces in your offensive line, and on
a couple of pieces is a defense that you're going
to have gaping holes with the rest of your roster.
And that's what's happened to the l A. Rams, especially
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since the running back has fallen off, which Zeke has
fallen off slightly, but not like Todd Gurley. And there's
no reason he doesn't have the injury history of Todd Gurley.
But what I'm saying is, before we determine exactly what
we're going to do, let's let the whole thing play out.
Let's set the whole thing play out. Wait until all
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the paint is dry, Drive up and back your street
three or four times, walk around the house, walk out front,
take a breath, take a good hard look at it
after it's done, and then you can go. You know what,
I still don't like it. That's what you do with
the Cowboys. As the Cowboys been frustrating, sure, but they're
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seven and seven. They have a fairly easy schedule. The
rest of the way, right, if you end up nine
and seven, go to the playoffs home game, win a game,
and maybe they win a second aime, You're not gonna
fire Jason Garrett. As frustrating as this year has been
Jamis Winston, who kept turning the football over his first
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year in this system. He keeps throwing for four yards.
You're not gonna find anybody in college. I'm not gonna
find anybody on the free agent market. You're gonna try
and fix Marcus Mariota to just get rid of Jamis Winston.
You're just not so These last couple of games matter.
But more than anything, what matters is patients. We've even
(10:31):
lost patients at Starbucks, our third place. We lose patients
with our kids in their development sports. We lose patients
with relationships supposed to know right away we love. We
lose patients with TV shows, with movies right because now
if you don't. My son and I were watching, Uh,
he's been sick, so we watched five, watched five movies.
(10:53):
Yesterday we're watching Princess Briane and he's like, Dad, this
is slow. Can we get a new movie? It's Princess Pride.
Why are you smiling because I know something that you
did not know that I am not left handed right like,
But kids have no patience, because we have no patience,
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and we want to know now, now, now, now, now.
The Cowboys are inconsistent, because they're inconsistent, But are you
gonna clean house with their coaching staff? Take a breath
and wait. Feels that way, but we gotta wait until
the paint dries. Jamis Winston gonna be replaced paint drives
hell Philip rivers. Last week you're like, well, maybe a
(11:37):
hold on of Philip rivers now, you like, can't get
everything cook enough. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio Whap. Nick Shooks says that several Arizona Cardinal
players reported hearing Jarvis Landry say come get me, come
get me um. And of course there's video that exists
(12:01):
of Jarvis Landry getting into it with Freddie Kitchens, his
head coach. Freddie Kitchens said, I wouldn't change Jarvis for anything.
Jarvis plays the game with passion, which I love. He's tough,
he's physically wants to win, and when you want to
win as badly as Jarvis does, sometimes the emotion gets
the best of you. But I don't have a problem
with Jarvis. He's one of my favorites, the way he
plays the game, him as a person, everything see. You
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combine that with the story out of Cleveland that at
this point the Browns intend to stay with Freddie Kitchen
Freddie Kitchens as their quarterback, and you start to wonder
if they're not act ascuse me as their head coach.
I said quarterback, sorry, as their as their head coach.
He did play quarterback and was a quarterback coach before.
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He's running back coach before he became the offensive coordinator.
Um they lose, they get embarrassed. People are calling for
his job. Their six and eight on the season. They
still have the Ravens at home and at the Bengals,
a Bengals team they should beat if they show any
sort of effort. That's seven wins. You beat the Ravens,
you sweep the Ravens, which is a possibility at eight
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and eight. I don't fire him. Look, if you want
to have any form of accountability for the players, at
some point you gotta stick with a coach, right, at
some point, it's not just the coach's fault, it's the
player's fault. Now, do I think that that Freddy Kitchens
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has empowered the wrong guys? Yeah? Do I think he
should have hired a legit offensive coordinator and simply become
a head coach and tinker with the offense. Yes, of course,
And all these things will be done if he does
in fact remain, if he does in fact remain as
the head coach. But I I think it's really important,
(13:51):
super important that at some point the Browns have some
form of stability, some form of stability. We're gonna ask Trendelfer,
he's gonna join us what he would do. I do
think that Freddie has lacked you know, they've lacked imagine, imagination,
They've lad a lot of different things. More than anything,
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there just hasn't been a discipline there. And I'm gonna
guess that some of it is how Freddy runs a ship.
That Freddie came from being a running backs coach. You know,
it's really really hard when you were just one of
the position coaches to now, oh, now you're in charge.
Now you're the bad guy and Freddie also wants to
(14:32):
say true to who he is, which is kind of
a nice, fun loving guy. But last year was a
mess with Hugh Jackson right, and Greg Williams and uh
Todd Haley. You know, Hugh didn't hire Todd Haley. Todd
Haley didn't respect Hugh. They get into it, they both
get fired. But like, look, it's at some point you
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gotta say, you know what we're gonna Just like we're
not gonna cut every player when they have an up
and down disappointing season. We're not gonna cut every coach
that has an up and down disappointing season. I look,
I didn't like the decision based upon where this team
is and wants to be immediately to hire him. But
once you hire him, now you got to give him
(15:17):
a legit chance to figure out the job. And pulling
the plug on the Freddie Kitchens experience sounds like the
smart thing, and it's the easy thing, but the hard
thing may be more rewarding and it may empower him
and have some accountability towards the players. Not only would
I not trade Jarvis Landing your trade Odell Beckham g Like, hey,
(15:40):
guess what that guy is gonna be your coach, so
you're gonna have to figure it out. This is what
we do with children today. You know, I asked my daughter,
my daughter, one of my daughters is struggling in several
of her but whatever, like her science class because she
didn't turn some work in. And you know, like, I
(16:01):
don't know if you guys know this, if you have
kids to you have kids, now you find out that
day when they didn't turn in work, and you don't
wait till the report card. You can get it online.
So I confirmed, But hey, what's going on here in science?
You know that teacher kind of bug eyed, kind of
looks like a serial killer, and he just he didn't
(16:23):
give us enough. No no no no no no no
no no no. You didn't turn in your work, turn
your work, prepare, show up on time, take notes and
you'll be fine. But today, when your kid gets in
trouble in school, a lot of parents blame the teacher,
teachers to the jerk teachers and like me, teacher isn't
(16:45):
like my kid. That's what we do. In professional sports,
Bryant Jarvis Landry loses cool, tells the other team come
get me, and we're like oh, we'll fire the coach. No,
that's reprehensible behavior. Keep him, find him, make him figure
out how to make it work. Be sure to catch
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what do we think of the Cowboys now? No, differently,
I mean they're high ceiling, little floor of the whole year. Um,
they look great at times. They look like they can
beat anybody. Um, Super explosive offensively, get stops on defense,
(17:47):
good on special teams. The next week they you know,
have a stinker. Um the only light I saw guests
or that could um be a really good side moving forward.
They're more multiple on defense. They gave more look to
remember a few weeks ago, Troykman was doing one of
their games. I can't remember. It was a Thursday night. Yeah,
it was a trabisky game. And he kept talking about
how the Cowboys make it easy for young quarterbacks. They
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just line up and play their defense. There's not a
lot of bells and whistles, not a lot of I
candy that can confuse. And he was saying that's easy.
He's like, they gotta be more multiple, and they yesterday,
yesterday they were more multiple. They had some new blitz packages,
they disguised more, they moved, they moved around pretty snap more. Um,
maybe that's a sign that they're getting better. Uh. If
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they continue to do that, they can be dangerous because
they are talented. Um. But again there's just a frustrating
team because they're good is so good and they're bad
so bad. Okay, So, why though, did it take so
long for them to become so multiple? I don't know.
I really respect well. I know Rod Maryelly's background. He
coached me when I was in Tampa. You know, he's
(18:53):
from the Tony Dungee money um money Kiffin system where
you you line up and you play cover one, you
play cover two. You have three or four standard blitz
is and and you just say, hey, we're gonna run
to the ball, we're gonna hit you, we're gonna play fast,
we're not gonna think too much. And you know that
worked when offenses were condensed. That worked when everything was
played kind of tight, like a scrub. But now it's
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boundary to boundary. It's there's new rules and uh an
offensive football, I mean, you can do anything. A lot
of the Saturday game has has made its way to Sunday.
You've got to be multiple you you have to be
able to come from different directions. You have to show
one thing pre snap and the ball snap do another thing,
um to mess with all the quarterbacks reads, offensive lineman reads,
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the running backs reads the receivers reads. Everybody's reading stuff
after the ball snap. So you better change it up.
And and yesterday there was more of it. Um. I
think it's the only way you can play successful defense
right now in the NFL's if you give offenses multiple
looks and make them think, because when they think, they
slow down. All right, same question. I guess for the Rams,
we thought they had turned the corner, and uh, they
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take an absolute dump on the field in Dallas. What
do we make of the defending NFC champions. He's still
having knock back on the offensive line and Jared, Jared
has not played well this year. I'm a huge Goff fan. Um,
I do think he's a lot better than he's played
this year, but he hasn't been consistent. Um. The offensive
line doesn't have knockbacks. Everything's lateral. Um. They don't get
(20:22):
after the upfront. I don't think the runners the same. Um.
I Actually, when when people first started saying Girly was different,
I argued with them, But now I'm on their side.
He's a different player. He's not the same player he
once was. Um. They don't have you know, when Cooks
isn't on the field, they don't have a ton of
juice at receivers. So a lot of the stuff that
(20:42):
made them so successful, made them so um so explosive
offensively isn't there right now. And Jared just isn't yet.
He isn't season enough yet to kind of carry it
on his own, and his inconsistency, UM takes him down
a dark path. A lot of times, the Browns are
replied and again this is before the season is done. Reportedly,
(21:03):
sticking with Freddy Kitchens right move around move it's a
bad move. Listen. I think he's a good guy and
he's a he was a really good coordinator. I don't
think he's been a good head coach. I don't think
the system that he's implemented is best for the quarterback. UM.
I think he's he hasn't shown the sophistication, the gravitas
it takes to be an NFL head coach. UM. I
(21:26):
think it's one of those that they have the opportunity
to cut bait before the quarterback really goes go sideways
and the corback Baker has not played well. I mean,
he's below average UM in this league, and and a
lot of that has to do with the person um
kind of responsible for his development. That's pretty Kitchens. So UM.
I hate being harsh on head coaches, especially early, but
(21:48):
this just has not been a good fit. No question
about the Packers statistically are mostly average average. Yet they
won again and obviously survived. You know the lateral that
that didn't happen. Um, how are they able to accruise
so many wins when across the board there doesn't appear
to be anything particularly special about the Packers. I wish
(22:11):
I knew the answer, because I'm thinking the same thing
when I watch them. They don't have a ton of
stuff that jumps out. I mean, Aaron when he's playing good,
is still one of the best players in the league.
But nothing just jumps out of you that they do great.
I think they do a lot of things well. They're
really good in the kicking game this year, which has
(22:31):
been a huge thing for them. They've been terrible and
special teams last couple of years. They've been really good
this year. UM they run the ball at times really
well and then at times it's just kind of milk toast,
and defensively they're hit or miss. So I don't know.
I think of the five teams in the NFC that
UM have the great records, they're the least of the five.
(22:52):
Just from from I test and watching them every single week,
they're they're the least impressive of those five teams. How However,
when Twelves your quarterback, I mean, I've seen him do
this before where he just takes an average bunch and
gets hot in the playoffs. One year they won the
Super Bowl and one year they got really close, and
I you know, I think that's where you you talked
(23:13):
to some of the great quarterbacks that played the game,
and and they kind of wait for that. They'll say this,
that this time of years when a quarterback can kind
of take it over, and and I can see Aaron
doing that because they're good enough that if he gets
smoking hot um that they can beat anybody. Yeah, people
forget with that bad calf. He should have beaten the
Seahawks and Seattle gone to a second super obviously did
(23:36):
not happen. A bunch of things went crazy for him.
Speaking of the Seahawks, well, we're real quick. The year
they wanted I think that's something like eighteen guys on
I R too. I mean, people forget the year they
beat the Steelers, that that defense statistically was terrible. They
had eighteen guys in I R. They weren't great during
the season. They're kind of like this, they were just
kinda uh. And then he just went on some historic
(23:59):
run in terms of being hodd as a quarterback and
they walked off as champions. So I don't want to
put it past him because he's that kind of good.
But I guess the long wounded way of saying I
agree with you they just nothing jumps out when you
watch them as being really good, They're just kind of solid.
If if you're the Tampa Buccaneers, Jammeis Winston throws from
(24:19):
a four h fift yards the second straight game, this
time with only one inceptional that was an early interception.
What do you do with Jamis? It's a tough one
because he's like he's like the Cowboys. He's really really
good or really really bad, and that leads you to aid, um,
(24:41):
I think I don't know. I honestly don't know, because
I could see in the in the in the offices,
like and see management saying, Wow, you know we're not
gonna give me better. You know we're not gonna go
draft somebody more explosive. We're not gonna go draft somebody
who's a better leader. We're not gonna go We're gonna
draft Somebody's gonna have to learn all the hard lessons
that Jamie's is still learning. And then I can see
(25:03):
from the practical discussions going on in the coaching rooms like, yeah,
it's good, it's really good. But he gets his beat
a lot of times too, because he's careless with the ball.
And I rather have a guy who's kind of got
a mid ceiling and high floor because you can win
with him. So I can see both sides of the
discussion going on in the building. Um, it seems if
Bruce really likes him and likes this style of football,
(25:26):
he likes this aggressive, kind of alpha way of playing quarterback,
and he's done it in the past with other quarterbacks
where they've thrown a lot of interceptions and then they
decrease those interception numbers a year by year. I mean
Ben Roethlisberger. Uh, we had Peyton Manny and people forget
when he had Peyton Manning. Peyton throw a billion interceptions
early on, and the NIAT sure it got better. Maybe
(25:48):
Bruce is just selling, Hey, give me enough time with
this kid and he'll still be equally explosive and and
be less careless with the ball. Ndel for our guest
Super Bowl Champion quarterback down the Doug Outland Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. We'll both agree Lamar Jackson is
going to be the m v P. But in terms
of true value, is any player more valuable to their
football team than Russell Wilson? No, no, no, And and
(26:09):
I think it would be a bigger discussion, and one
I'm fine with the more winning the MVPs. I mean,
it's musty TV has been incredible. He's everything he's been
people talk about. But when I played in Seattle, Matthew houseback,
you say this all the time. It's like playing in Canada.
Nobe even knows you're in the NFL from a national
exposure standpoint, and we don't have when we're up there,
(26:30):
even when we're rolling. We he didn't have your you know,
thirties two different credentials every week coming and you didn't
have your five feature stories that they're doing on you
every week like they do elsewhere around the league. It's
it's kind of so far up Northwest that you get
forgotten about. And I think that happens to Russell that, um,
(26:50):
people don't always see his games. Um he's not in
the mainstream conversation all the time. Um it's Seattle, Washington,
not Baltimore, not Kansas City, you know, not not these
places in the country that every um but he thinks
of football towns. And UM, I don't know what it is,
but I mean, this should have been a discussion all
(27:11):
year long, Russell versus Lamar, not just Lamar running away
with it. No, I I agree with you. How did
the Bills do this? How did they go from a
team that had the longest playoff drought to making the
playoffs two times in three years, both times with you know,
along with Torod Taylor and one time now with Josh Allen.
How did they do this? It's gonna sound eso, Terek,
(27:31):
but just you know, I think you'll get it. I
think everybody will get it. They know who they are,
very much like the Baltimore Ravens. They don't try to
be anything but exactly who they are. They're very good defensively,
they're very good on special teams. They're very conservative on offense. Uh,
and they like it that way. They trust that the
(27:52):
game is going to be close, that they'll make more
plays on defense or in the kicking game or the
quarterback at the end of games. They don't try to
make the quarterback be Drew Brees or Tom Brady or
Patrick Mahomes. He's the best version of Josh Allen that
he can be, and it's pretty darn good. Um. They're
not afraid of running them in key moments. I think
(28:13):
it's nine or ten touchdowns rushing already. This year. Um,
they just know who they're and they don't try to
be anything else. And the only example and give us
that when we're in Tampa. You know, we were the
worst franchise and all the football and then Tony Jones
came in and and in went to the playoffs ninety
nine NFC Championship game. In a short amount of time,
we turned it around. It was very simple. Yeah, we
(28:36):
got good players, the Warren STAPs and John Lynches and
Derrek Brooks, but we never tried to be anything but
we were but what we were. When we tried to
get outside of that and tried to be something else,
we stunk. When we just stay true to who we were,
we were a really good football team. I think that's
who the Bills are. Here's the problem with that, though,
you don't win a super Bowl that way. You get
(28:56):
to the playoffs every year and you'll win nine to
eleven games, but you don't have that finishing quality because
you don't have the extra stuff. And that's the thing
I think that we'll start talking about with Buffalo and
years to come is how do they if I think
that next thing, um, last thing, Carson Wentz, I don't
know how you explained this season. You point out he
(29:17):
hasn't played as well as he should. We've pointed out
a ton of injuries obviously. I mean you're using Greg
Ward who was a wide receiver slash quarterback in college,
been cut several times over and that's the game when
you touchdown pass. How would you characterize to somebody who
doesn't know the quarterback position? Uh, what your thoughts are
in Carson Wentz right now, Um, he's got as much
horsepower as any player in the league, but he also
(29:40):
has some Jameis Winston him. He's very, very careless with
the ball in the pocket and throwing it, and he
tries to do too much. And I think it's kind
of Superman complex that he knows his receivers are banged up.
He knows they don't have a ton of juice. So
he's trying to win the game on his own. And
when he plays bad, that's the answer. And he plays good,
that's the answer. Like it's the same answer when it
(30:03):
goes his way, and those tight window throws get caught.
When he throws it early on late breaking out routes
before the guy is open and gets caught, it's awesome.
When the guy goes a yard too deep and then
dB gets in front of its interceptor. He tries to
climb from the pocket and shed a tackle and it
gets and the ball gets slapped away and he fumbles
it and the other team recovers it. It's bad, but
(30:24):
it's the same every week. It's Frenetick. It's the Superman
Cape and he believes he can make every single play
in the game because he can. He's got that type
of horsepower. But the same thing that makes you laugh
makes you cry. And that's Carson Wentz, That's Jamis Winston,
That's that was Cam Newton for a while. Um, these
guys that have supreme physical talent, many times let let
(30:46):
that um confidence in their talent override the discretion it
probably should take to help them win more games. And
it's the curses Brett Farve curse. It's the curse of
just being supremely, supremely talented. Fren Dilfer, head coach at
Lipscomb Academy and our analyst weekly the Super Bowl Champion
(31:07):
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to Dan Buyer breaking news from Fox Sports Doug Seahawks
(31:33):
wide receiver Josh Gordon has been suspended and definitely by
the NFL for violating the league's policy on performance and
dancing substances and substances of abuse. So Josh Gordon suspended indefinitely. Also,
just a few minutes ago, the Chiefs put a claim
in for defensive end Terrell Suggs, who was released by
the Cardinals. Now Suggs was thought to possibly be headed
(31:57):
to the Ravens, but now the Chiefs have blocked that
by putting a claim in for him. But Josh Gordon
the big news just coming down. Suspended definitely. Wait real
quick on on the Sugs thing. Who in the pecking order?
Who gets who gets? Trell sucks? Well, the Chiefs were
ahead of the Ravens in that order, so they put
the claim in, so the Ravens were unable to even
put a claim in for him. Hm, and the Cardinals
(32:21):
won a game after cutting him, right, That's the that
that part is amazing to me. Sure. Yeah, and where
the Cardinals are, there's really no need for a you know,
a veteran of what fourteen years however long Suggs has
been there, so if but why why did he sign there?
I love? These guys are like, man, I gotta go
to a winner. You know, like, well, why did you
(32:44):
sign there? Did you think the Cardinals are all of
a sudden gonna gonna make the playoffs in that division? No?
You signed there because because they paid you the most money.
And then when you you don't win as predicted, you don't,
you won't win. You're like, man, I gotta go to
a winner. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I
don't like that. Well, there was a report of the
weekend that Suggs wouldn't report to any team except the Ravens,
which is interesting because the Chiefs lost Alex Oka for
(33:08):
likely for the season because of a torn pack yesterday,
so they're short on the defensive line. But if the
reports were true that they're basically just blocking, the Chiefs
would be blocking a reunion. Uh, a reunion with Sugs
and the Ravens. Right, I I want to get to
the importance of ravens, chiefs all that stuff in a second,
(33:28):
first of the Josh Gordon thing, because we have heard
people you're watching and you and obviously buyers, like a
resident Seahawks fan, watch the Seahawks about man. How can
the how can the Patriots just let this guy go? Man?
You know, Tom Brady needs weapons. He had a weapon.
They knew, they didn't they might not have known known,
They might not have known if he was back on stuff.
(33:51):
And by the way, this's a double whammy. Apparently it's
not just one but two different types of failure of
a drug test. One perform to answers and to the
recreational variety. So my man's gone completely off the wagon.
They might not have known exactly what he was doing.
(34:12):
But when you're an addict and you start showing up
late to meetings, you know, and you're showing a lack
of interest in the little things and you're not as engaged.
They knew even if they didn't know, you know how
big a loss this for the Seahawks buyer not huge
because they haven't used him as much. Did have a
(34:34):
big catch yesterday against Carolina. I will say this, though,
I thought his role was going to increase as they
moved on, especially in the playoffs, because he is an
NFL wide receiver. He looks the part. He he made
a great diving catch yesterday as I mentioned, also through
an interception on an end a round, but they hadn't
used him as much they used, you know, Tyler Lockett,
(34:56):
dk metcalf more. But remember that forty Niners game when
he just came in, had a third and tend and
what do they do? Then we ran a slant to
Josh Gordon and he caught it. So yeah, I think
it's a I think it's a you know, it's a loss,
maybe not as big as some people would have thought.
But there's also a reason why teams keep on giving
him chance after chance after chance, because the skills are
just you know, it feels like it feels like it
(35:18):
might be had of chances. Though still only I understand.
But if he's suspended, that means he's gone for probably
at least a year, right because of how he's been
suspended indefinitely before, So he's gone and throughout this year,
probably a good portion of next year before he can
apply even for reinstatement. And now you get to twenty nine,
(35:39):
you get to thirty, you've been on multiple teams. Just
some point. I get that he's talented, but you know,
when you're one beer away from being suspended in definitely again,
is it? Is it worth it? Now? The good thing
is there's no abuse of any other human being, right,
there's no It's not like he laid his hands on
a kid or a dog or a woman or anything
like that, So that this is more just a guy
(36:01):
who's an addict, and we rightfully have, um, what is
it sympathy in our hearts? I think for people who
are addicted to foreign substances. But this is a guy
for a long time, a long time, going back to college,
right has has had these issues and fought these demons.
(36:24):
But I just I don't know if we're not out
of out of chances at some point in time, fifth
time he's been suspended, what's the record? Who holds the record?
Who's the Steve how of the NFL. I think it's
gotta be I think it's gotta be Josh Gordon. It's
gotta be five Oh, Because I'm I'm fascinated by it,
(36:46):
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